**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 01 02:59:58 2008 Dec 01 03:12:34 anyone with experience with openOrCreateDatabase who might have a moment? Dec 01 05:01:32 Is anyone else as lazy as I am when it comes to the persistence stuff? I've thought many times about generating a simple code generation tool so I could define my app's data model in a DSL and have it generate the db adapter with creation scripts and a simple service layer to handle getting the stuff... Dec 01 05:04:24 just make a native daemon and exec it Dec 01 05:04:32 :P Dec 01 05:08:04 for the db stuff? Dec 01 05:08:30 I'd still have to create that... which would still be more work than typing up the basic details in a dsl and hitting "generate" Dec 01 05:08:45 * RyeBrye hates braindead coding Dec 01 05:10:13 But yeah...at least to me it seems like running a persistant, efficient, non-memory hog of a background process is better than trying to keep yet another bloated pig in memory Dec 01 05:10:21 Root isn't needed Dec 01 05:11:16 oh, it wouldn't be bloated - it would just use a cursor to talk to sqllite like most of the other stuff does Dec 01 05:19:33 RyeBrye, i thought the same thing Dec 01 05:20:44 RyeBrye, then why is the alarm clock 10 megs rrs? :P Dec 01 05:21:44 Does the alarm clock use 10 megs of RAM? Dec 01 05:22:31 USER PID PPID VSIZE RSS WCHAN PC NAME Dec 01 05:22:31 app_50 7291 30 94136 12520 ffffffff afe0c824 S org.fnord.android.passwd Dec 01 05:22:33 gambler - I posted a blog about some basic brainstorming on the idea... it's mostly a background for those not familiar to dsl-based generation tools http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/30/brainstorming-a-model-driven-code-generation-tool-for-android/ - but I can hardly bear to write a single db adapter... Dec 01 05:22:43 Even my own 'supasswd' which I know is as simple as anything gets.. Dec 01 05:23:39 I'm not sure if there is a need for entity / value objet symantics for android apps - since I'm not planning to write anything like hibernate to do proxied lazy loading or anything Dec 01 05:24:44 I'd trade a few features in the android platform for a simple ddd / mda tool any day Dec 01 05:25:06 ... maybe those of us with day jobs can provide a functional spec and hope to spark interest with some google employee with 20% time to burn ;) Dec 01 05:25:06 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND Dec 01 05:25:06 root 7407 0.0 0.0 928 40 ? Ss 05:24 0:00 httpd Dec 01 05:25:07 :P Dec 01 05:25:14 spec for what? Dec 01 05:25:20 ddd / mda = ? Dec 01 05:25:21 a code generation tool Dec 01 05:25:24 err Dec 01 05:25:32 ddd = data drive design mda = model driven architecture... two acronyms for the same thing Dec 01 05:25:35 That's why apps are bloated o.o Dec 01 05:25:36 I don't know why both acronyms are used Dec 01 05:25:54 data driven that is... not data drive Dec 01 06:03:46 whts the functionlity of audio flinger is android source code ? Dec 01 18:08:04 whats new Dec 01 18:10:27 anyone running android on their n800 Dec 01 18:16:21 you want #android, not this channel. Dec 01 18:18:03 thanks jasta, what the use of this channel if you dont mind my asking Dec 01 18:18:28 writing code in or using the android platform Dec 01 18:18:39 but exclusively, writing code ;) Dec 01 18:19:22 damn i wish i knew how to write code Dec 01 18:19:25 sounds like fun Dec 01 18:19:34 where a good start point Dec 01 18:21:32 #freenode can prolly give some good pointers Dec 01 18:24:46 ..wow. pming me is not the right answer either. going away is. or at least going to #android. Dec 01 18:25:29 General IRC etiquette is you ask if you can PM before doing so. Dec 01 18:26:27 or at least you don't assume "you are offtopic" to mean "so bother me privately about it". Dec 01 18:26:39 Yeah. Both. Dec 02 01:44:01 cross-posted from #android: is there a way to control the size of a Dialog? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 02 02:59:57 2008