**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 26 02:59:57 2008
Dec 26 04:21:12 <jasta> argh, why in the hell won't repo sync work
Dec 26 04:22:10 <michaelnovakjr__> hey
Dec 26 04:22:19 <michaelnovakjr__> i was actually about to pull the repo myself
Dec 26 04:23:53 <jasta> looks like a problem communicating with 149.20.20.141...
Dec 26 04:23:56 <SanMehat> yo
Dec 26 04:24:09 <michaelnovakjr__> hey SanMehat
Dec 26 04:24:15 <SanMehat> sup man
Dec 26 04:24:29 <michaelnovakjr__> not much, stuffed.... how about you?
Dec 26 04:24:33 <SanMehat> same
Dec 26 04:25:33 <michaelnovakjr__> enjoy the holidays?
Dec 26 04:27:50 * jasta tries to init an entirely new repo
Dec 26 04:28:19 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm downloading the prereqs, and then i'll be doing the same
Dec 26 04:28:20 <SanMehat> yeah its good
Dec 26 04:28:43 <jasta> uhm
Dec 26 04:29:05 <jasta> Getting manifest ... from git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git
Dec 26 04:29:09 <jasta> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Dec 26 04:29:13 <jasta> but then after that i get some nonsense parse errors
Dec 26 04:31:01 <michaelnovakjr__> hm
Dec 26 04:31:41 <jasta> but trying to check out the the master branch seemed to work.  what the hell is going on here
Dec 26 04:35:53 <jasta> oh sweet, repo sync is running at 1 KiB/s
Dec 26 04:37:52 <michaelnovakjr__> haha
Dec 26 04:41:32 * michaelnovakjr__ starts repo sync
Dec 26 04:48:41 <michaelnovakjr__> slowly but surely, its downloading :)
Dec 26 05:40:27 <jasta> i odnt get whats happened to my connection to android1.git.kernel.org
Dec 26 05:40:34 <jasta> it's so slow it basically doesnt work
Dec 26 05:41:35 <michaelnovakjr__> my connection isn't bad, but its still pulling
Dec 26 05:41:47 <michaelnovakjr__> i'm up to the kernel/common
Dec 26 06:26:06 * jasta can't wait for the cupcake update to make it to the G1
Dec 26 06:26:10 <jasta> there are a lot of goodies in there
Dec 26 06:27:14 <unix_infidel> jasta: well you can actually do something about it now ;-P
Dec 26 06:41:36 <SanMehat> yo jasta
Dec 26 07:44:09 <jasta> SanMehat: so is there any snow left where you are?
Dec 26 10:03:52 * jasta scratches his head
Dec 26 10:03:58 <jasta> i finally got the changes down from cupcake...
Dec 26 10:04:18 <jasta> they reversed my patch that fixed MIME type case sensitivity?
Dec 26 10:04:44 <muthu> jasta: yo
Dec 26 10:05:17 <muthu> partying for christmas?
Dec 26 10:14:19 <jasta> i don't get it.  i odn't see any of the changes discussed in the cupcake roadmap present in the email app.
Dec 26 10:14:31 <jasta> git diff korg/cupcake only shows that my patch was reversed?  that's the only change?
Dec 26 10:19:11 <jasta> oh, they merged cupcake into the master already.  just looked at the logs
Dec 26 16:30:43 <savid> Does anyone know if there's a way to parse YAML within the android framework?
Dec 26 18:24:10 <skyred> Why do people flush R30?
Dec 26 18:27:01 <michaelnovakjr> what?
Dec 26 18:29:48 <skyred> michaelnovakjr, RC30
Dec 26 18:29:58 <michaelnovakjr> what about it?
Dec 26 18:30:40 <skyred> michaelnovakjr, why do people want to flush it? what does it do?
Dec 26 18:30:47 <skyred> michaelnovakjr,
Dec 26 18:30:53 <michaelnovakjr> i think you are in the wrong channel
Dec 26 18:31:01 <michaelnovakjr> this is the dev channel
Dec 26 18:31:20 <skyred> michaelnovakjr, isn't RC30 related to Dev?
Dec 26 18:31:29 <michaelnovakjr> i don't know what you are asking?
Dec 26 18:31:35 <michaelnovakjr> it doesn't sound dev related
Dec 26 18:31:51 <skyred> michaelnovakjr, sorry, here is the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443713
Dec 26 20:06:33 <Falcon4ever> is there a limit in using setContentView ?
Dec 26 20:07:09 <michaelnovakjr> in what sense?
Dec 26 20:07:56 <Falcon4ever> well i made a small app extending the listactivity
Dec 26 20:08:17 <Falcon4ever> the app uses a basic listview
Dec 26 20:08:27 <Falcon4ever> i made 2 menu buttons
Dec 26 20:08:37 <Falcon4ever> which should switch the view to a new one
Dec 26 20:08:43 <Falcon4ever> but after pressing setContentView 1
Dec 26 20:08:51 <Falcon4ever> it switches to the '1' page
Dec 26 20:08:57 <Falcon4ever> but after doing menu -> press 2
Dec 26 20:09:00 <Falcon4ever> nothing happens
Dec 26 20:09:19 <Falcon4ever> the debug output shows that the user choose the 2nd option
Dec 26 20:09:26 <Falcon4ever> but it just doesnt seem to set the view anymore
Dec 26 20:09:33 <michaelnovakjr> you are trying to just change the content view?
Dec 26 20:09:40 <Falcon4ever> i guess so
Dec 26 20:09:53 <Falcon4ever> im just looking for a way to have an intro page, main content page and a about page
Dec 26 20:10:01 <michaelnovakjr> hm, you would be better off spawning a new activity i'd say
Dec 26 20:10:06 <Falcon4ever> right
Dec 26 20:10:15 <michaelnovakjr> it'll allow the user to use the back button to navigate the app
Dec 26 20:10:54 <Falcon4ever> hmm
Dec 26 20:11:10 <Falcon4ever> well its actually for my irc client
Dec 26 20:11:18 <michaelnovakjr> another one :)
Dec 26 20:11:20 <Falcon4ever> so the main content is just a listview with text
Dec 26 20:11:26 <Falcon4ever> michaelnovakjr: the only one on the android market atm
Dec 26 20:11:29 <michaelnovakjr> you are going to need to do more than that :)
Dec 26 20:11:37 <michaelnovakjr> Falcon4ever: there's three more in development
Dec 26 20:11:42 <michaelnovakjr> including mine :)
Dec 26 20:11:45 <Falcon4ever> i've seen some projects yea
Dec 26 20:11:57 <Falcon4ever> but nobody seem to have published it yet on the market place
Dec 26 20:12:03 <michaelnovakjr> the view  and service is a bit more complicated than switching views
Dec 26 20:12:16 <Falcon4ever> the service part is already taken care of
Dec 26 20:12:21 <Falcon4ever> and also the funky listview
Dec 26 20:12:25 <Falcon4ever> (nice colours :P)
Dec 26 20:12:26 <michaelnovakjr> funky?
Dec 26 20:12:41 <Falcon4ever> yea i already made some test apps just to create custom layouts
Dec 26 20:12:46 <michaelnovakjr> also, list view is probably not the best view for an IM client
Dec 26 20:12:53 <Falcon4ever> so the only part i need to figure out is how to handle multiple views/pages
Dec 26 20:13:05 <Falcon4ever> michaelnovakjr: any suggestions?
Dec 26 20:13:09 <michaelnovakjr> listview can get intensive
Dec 26 20:13:14 <Falcon4ever> hmm
Dec 26 20:13:18 <michaelnovakjr> i'm writing my own view that's similar to the IM app
Dec 26 20:13:28 <Falcon4ever> well mine now looks like the IM app :P
Dec 26 20:13:40 <michaelnovakjr> i'm more concerned with performance :)
Dec 26 20:14:53 <Falcon4ever> well i havent checked the performance yet
Dec 26 20:22:10 <jasta> yawn
Dec 26 20:22:20 <Falcon4ever> boring xmas huh
Dec 26 20:22:40 <michaelnovakjr> sup jasta
Dec 26 20:23:05 <jasta> morning
Dec 26 20:23:14 <jasta> or, good afternoon :)
Dec 26 20:23:19 <michaelnovakjr> :)
Dec 26 20:26:29 * jasta quietly ponders why Eclipse is such a raging piece of shit
Dec 26 20:26:49 <Falcon4ever> it is :P
Dec 26 20:26:50 <Falcon4ever> i hate it
Dec 26 20:27:01 <Falcon4ever> but i guess there is no better alternative :(
Dec 26 20:28:00 <jasta> the formatter preferences just don't seem to mean anything
Dec 26 20:28:21 <jasta> i set "correct indentation", and then in the formatter "tabs only", remove trailing whitespace, etc.
Dec 26 20:28:33 <jasta> and yet, it still pukes spaces all over my code.
Dec 26 20:29:24 <michaelnovakjr> intellij people like
Dec 26 20:29:27 <Falcon4ever> hmm i just dont like the GUI
Dec 26 20:29:30 <Falcon4ever> its so crowded
Dec 26 20:29:36 <Falcon4ever> *bloated
Dec 26 22:23:30 <morrildl> Falcon4ever: there are better alternatives. But there are no better *free* and open-source alternatives
Dec 26 22:25:46 <Falcon4ever> =/
Dec 26 22:26:07 <Falcon4ever> michaelnovakjr: i found some alternative for spawning multiple activities
Dec 26 22:26:17 <Falcon4ever> the viewflipper can probably help a little
Dec 26 22:29:52 <arubin> what are the options for publishing Android apps without using the market?
Dec 26 22:30:16 <Falcon4ever> putting the apk on your own website and hope that someone finds it?
Dec 26 22:31:01 <arubin> I was curious because of the asinine restrictions for the iPhone
Dec 26 22:31:11 <Falcon4ever> eh?
Dec 26 22:31:28 <Falcon4ever> in which way?
Dec 26 22:31:38 <arubin> the normal development account is restricted to 100 ad hoc distributions
Dec 26 22:31:38 <Falcon4ever> are you talking about free/paid apps here?
Dec 26 22:31:45 <Falcon4ever> o_O
Dec 26 22:32:10 <arubin> the enterprise account allows companies with 500 employees to distribute to more
Dec 26 22:32:12 <Falcon4ever> my free app is already installed on 2848
Dec 26 22:32:15 <Falcon4ever> g1s
Dec 26 22:32:19 <arubin> I guess companies in between are screwed
Dec 26 22:32:58 <Falcon4ever> afaik there are no such limitations, but im not a lawyer :P so dunno..
Dec 26 22:33:13 <arubin> what is the basic process for testing an app on a phone?
Dec 26 22:33:22 <arubin> does the SDK have some kind of uploader?
Dec 26 22:33:33 * arubin has not decided whether to pursue Android development yet
Dec 26 22:33:38 <Falcon4ever> arubin: nope
Dec 26 22:33:44 <Falcon4ever> you just compile an apk, sign it
Dec 26 22:33:50 <Falcon4ever> and upload the file to the market
Dec 26 22:33:58 <Falcon4ever> after ofcourse paying for the developers account
Dec 26 22:34:11 <arubin> you upload apps in development to the market?
Dec 26 22:34:34 <morrildl> arubin: no, you just USB them over to a device
Dec 26 22:34:46 <morrildl> arubin: the installation process is identical on a device as it is on emulator
Dec 26 22:35:00 <arubin> ok, I haven't checked out the emulator yet
Dec 26 22:37:38 <Falcon4ever> arubin: yea i'm already registred as a dev, i uploaded fIRC
Dec 26 22:38:17 <arubin> Falcon4ever, I understand, but do you upload apps to the market that you simply want to test?
Dec 26 22:38:18 <Falcon4ever> the emulator is pretty good imo
Dec 26 22:38:25 <Falcon4ever> arubin: ah no
Dec 26 22:38:35 <Falcon4ever> you just upload what you want to publish to the public
Dec 26 22:38:43 <arubin> that's what I figured
Dec 26 22:39:02 <Falcon4ever> the other stuff i just test on the emu or on my phone (debug mode)
Dec 26 22:39:04 <arubin> I was curious because the docs are kind of vague
Dec 26 22:39:11 <arubin> they just mention testing on a real device several times
Dec 26 22:39:27 <Falcon4ever> well, they dont really test or check your app..
Dec 26 22:39:42 <arubin> I know Google doesn't
Dec 26 22:39:49 <arubin> I was trying to determine the process for me to test my apps
Dec 26 22:40:01 <Falcon4ever> well trial and error?
Dec 26 22:40:13 <Falcon4ever> or get some friends testing it for you (who dont know about the app)
Dec 26 22:40:47 <morrildl> arubin: the process is that you plugin in a device and click the Run icon in Eclipse again :)
Dec 26 22:41:05 <arubin> morrildl, ok, thanks
Dec 26 22:41:31 <arubin> any issues with doing dev with the G1 and OS X that you are aware of?
Dec 26 22:41:42 <morrildl> arubin: the Android SDK includes various tools (notably DDMS and ADB) that provide a debug bridge that lets Eclipse (or other Java debugger) debug into a running Android device
Dec 26 22:41:50 <arubin> ah
Dec 26 22:41:59 <morrildl> arubin: the bridge functions identically whether it's talking to an emulator instance or a device
Dec 26 22:42:06 <morrildl> so there's literally no difference
Dec 26 22:42:14 <arubin> and the device doesn't need to be a special developer device?
Dec 26 22:42:19 <morrildl> arubin: correct
Dec 26 22:42:23 <arubin> ok
Dec 26 22:42:32 * arubin just wants to be sure before he lays out the cash
Dec 26 22:42:39 <morrildl> arubin: Most of us use Macs
Dec 26 22:42:45 <morrildl> well
Dec 26 22:42:48 <morrildl> I guess I shouldn't say most
Dec 26 22:42:56 <morrildl> it's probably 50/50 split between Mac and Linux
Dec 26 22:43:08 <morrildl> Windows of course works just as well
Dec 26 22:43:19 <morrildl> but on the eng team we generally prefer Linux & Mac
Dec 26 22:43:25 <morrildl> so yes, Macs work just peachy :)
Dec 26 22:45:25 <arubin> thanks again
Dec 26 22:45:39 <morrildl> arubin: no problem
Dec 26 22:53:24 <Falcon4ever> 50/50 :|!
Dec 26 22:53:41 <Falcon4ever> guess im the 0.00001 % thats doing it on a 64b windows :p
Dec 26 22:59:22 <unix_infidel> well anyone who wants to make use of more than 3GB on windows should be on 64bit .
Dec 27 00:40:34 <morrildl> Falcon4ever: well we have people working on the 64bit port of the ADB stuff
Dec 27 00:40:40 <morrildl> that's the main issue
Dec 27 00:43:18 <Falcon4ever> morrildl: i just downloaded the 64b usb drivers from xda developers
Dec 27 00:43:36 <morrildl> `:|
Dec 27 00:43:41 <Falcon4ever> works fine here ;\
Dec 27 00:43:43 <morrildl> neat
Dec 27 00:43:46 <Falcon4ever> sec
Dec 27 00:43:47 <morrildl> I didn't know there were any
Dec 27 00:43:50 <Falcon4ever> lemme find the link
Dec 27 00:44:14 <Falcon4ever> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446274
Dec 27 00:44:16 <Falcon4ever> thats the one
Dec 27 00:44:20 <Falcon4ever> its just not signed
Dec 27 00:44:34 <Falcon4ever> so you need to run vista64 with test sign on
Dec 27 00:45:00 <Falcon4ever> but i got no complaints so far :)
Dec 27 00:45:12 <Falcon4ever> btw are you a google developer ?
Dec 27 00:46:10 <Falcon4ever> this might also be usefull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446274&page=2#12
Dec 27 00:47:53 <morrildl> Falcon4ever: okay looks like the maintainers are in the know, so I'll just let them deal with it :)
Dec 27 00:48:16 <Falcon4ever> ok :)
Dec 27 00:48:51 <morrildl> thanks
Dec 27 00:49:13 <Falcon4ever> np
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