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Jun 16 03:04:54 <kRutOn> man, monkey always starts music that causes a force close dialog for music...
Jun 16 03:09:59 <jasta> callahad: there are a couple of ways to get at it...
Jun 16 03:11:36 <callahad> jasta: Such as? :)
Jun 16 03:11:37 <jasta> you can access the drawable directly as android.R.drawable.divider_horizontal_dark, which is the one used by the default andorid system Theme
Jun 16 03:12:53 <jasta> or, if you really want to be clever about it, you can use TypedArray a = context.obtainStyledAttributes(null, android.R.styleable.ListView, android.R.attr.listViewStyle, 0); a.getDrawable(android.R.styleable.ListView_divider);
Jun 16 03:13:05 <jasta> the latter approach will get the drawable no matter what theme you've selected
Jun 16 03:13:08 <jasta> or has been selected for you
Jun 16 03:13:32 <jasta> the other will just access the drawable in framework-res with that name.  the former approach might fail to keep up with theme changes depending on how google configures things moving forward
Jun 16 03:13:36 <jasta> the latter will always get the current themes.
Jun 16 03:14:17 <jasta> the latter, however, has runtime overhead.
Jun 16 03:15:43 <callahad> Is there a way to pick the current theme's divider in an xml layout? (Say I wanted to create a LinearLayout that mimiced the appearance of a List)
Jun 16 03:16:22 <jasta> callahad: via @android:drawable/divider_horizontal_dark, but that is the former method.
Jun 16 03:16:23 <callahad> @android:drawable/divider_horizontal_dark grabs the current default theme's divider, but I'd rather not presume that other themes will be equivalent.
Jun 16 03:17:15 <jasta> well, the current theme is chosen by you.
Jun 16 03:17:35 <jasta> the risk is if google changes the default theme not to use literally that asset anymore, but keeps it there for some other reason
Jun 16 03:18:06 <jasta> there would be no way to runtime resolve the current themes list divider in XML though
Jun 16 03:18:21 <jasta> normally any style they want you to access they expose via an attr, which would mean you could do ?android:attr/fooBar
Jun 16 03:18:29 <jasta> but in this case, they have given you nothing to my knowledge
Jun 16 03:18:30 <jasta> oh wait, yes they have
Jun 16 03:18:42 * jasta peruses styles.xml
Jun 16 03:19:00 <jasta> ahh yes, you can use ?android:attr/listDivider.  they do define this by the theme.
Jun 16 03:19:15 <jasta> this value will be configured by the current theme, and that syntax will look it up that way.
Jun 16 03:19:32 <callahad> ! Excellent
Jun 16 03:19:40 <jasta> for more fancy magic, see the android source under frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/themes.xml.  any value defined there can be accessed this way
Jun 16 03:20:17 <jasta> but avoid overusing these features, most of them are given to you automatically
Jun 16 03:20:23 <callahad> Ooh, thanks for that reference. I'm still working on stumbling through the forest of git repos up at android.git.kernel.org
Jun 16 03:20:28 <jasta> for instance, you need not make textviews with style="?android:attr/buttonStyle".  <Button> is the same.
Jun 16 03:20:40 <jasta> callahad: just download it all with repo.  much easier.
Jun 16 03:21:17 <callahad> I definitely will; I wasn't planning on diving too deeply into that side of things at first
Jun 16 03:27:28 <callahad> Now I have to wonder if using list separators as generic section seperators in a linearlayout breaks user expectations of the UI
Jun 16 03:48:49 <Refuge> guys quick question when i search for my router wifi connection it shows as a strong siginal can even be in the same room once connected on the notfication bar it's a low siginal and not fast i've tryed on other routers some work fine i'm wondering is there  a way to fix this ?
Jun 16 06:23:10 <mib_oscjn0d8> Hey All..!!
Jun 16 06:24:14 <imran514> Hiii :)
Jun 16 06:25:40 <imran514> Any One form India..!!
Jun 16 06:45:43 <refuge> lol
Jun 16 06:46:05 <refuge> had to use my phone
Jun 16 06:46:34 <refuge> anyone else use android irc
Jun 16 06:47:04 <refuge> its same a long way
Jun 16 06:47:52 <refuge> !ping #anfroid-sev lol
Jun 16 06:48:05 <refuge> !ping #anfroid-dev lol
Jun 16 06:48:27 <refuge> no pong dang
Jun 16 07:43:52 <recursv> isn't it /ping ?
Jun 16 07:51:50 <deebo> can libraries etc be tested without the emulator, but in a "correct" enviroment?
Jun 16 07:56:48 <Liam> Hey, does anyone know anything about the Field Test app?
Jun 16 08:02:09 <KNY> deebo, the library is the correct environment
Jun 16 08:03:07 <deebo> KNY: i mean, lets say i make a library that fetches data from the internets, can i somehow unittest it in the phones/emulators enviroment instead of plain java2se
Jun 16 08:03:36 <KNY> sure, just use the Android Instrumentation framework
Jun 16 08:14:53 <wmealing> deebo, its not too bad..
Jun 16 08:15:05 <wmealing> the only real way is to test , from what i can see is on the emulator or the phone
Jun 16 08:15:18 <wmealing> deebo, of course you can unit test the non android specifics outside of the phone
Jun 16 08:18:39 <dhr039> how can obtain root in the emulator?
Jun 16 08:38:37 <Liam> anyone know if there is an API to get at GSMPhone for App development?
Jun 16 08:50:56 <alvin> i want to port sdk 1.5 to moto a1200
Jun 16 08:51:13 <alvin> at present 2.6.30 android branch is stable now?
Jun 16 08:51:23 <alvin> any body give me some idea
Jun 16 08:51:25 <alvin> ?
Jun 16 08:51:32 <Liam> No idea!
Jun 16 10:57:10 <anais> vanilla 2.6.29
Jun 16 10:57:16 <anais> what mean vanilla 2.6.29
Jun 16 10:57:23 <anais> from linux mainline?
Jun 16 10:59:42 <anno^da_> jsharkey: Thank you for the battery life talk. :)
Jun 16 13:44:30 <ralfonso_> I'm using Linkify on a TextView that's displayed in a Dialog. For some reason, Linkify causes the non-linked text to turn dark whenever the screen is touched.  Is there a method/property I can override/change to prevent this?
Jun 16 14:24:17 <anno^da_> jsharkey: Are you online right now ?
Jun 16 14:28:22 <besimo> hey guys, do you have any recommende file for an absolut newbie in android development?
Jun 16 14:28:32 <besimo> any papers or something?
Jun 16 14:29:49 <anno^da_> visit
Jun 16 14:29:54 <anno^da_> developer.android.com
Jun 16 14:30:10 <anno^da_> There you get an overall information about Android and a tutorial for beginners
Jun 16 14:30:16 <mophead> besimo: : if you've literally just downloaded the sdk - http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html :)
Jun 16 14:30:31 <anno^da_> http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
Jun 16 14:30:40 <anno^da_> http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/notepad/index.html
Jun 16 14:49:35 <besimo> okay thx guys
Jun 16 14:54:29 <mophead> hey - has anyone created an avd from a system image that someone else has given them?
Jun 16 14:54:57 <mophead> i want to know how to get the system image into the list of available targets so i can do android avd create --target xxx
Jun 16 15:35:47 <mophead> if anyones interested in my query earlier, i found out how to do it
Jun 16 15:47:52 <KNY> mophead, could you tell us how you did it?
Jun 16 15:48:35 <mophead> sure
Jun 16 15:49:00 <mophead> if you have a look under your <sdk>\platforms directory
Jun 16 15:49:29 <mophead> that folder gets scanned - thats what creates the list of targets when you do android list targets
Jun 16 15:50:03 <mophead> so i copied one of the existing ones (eg android-1.5) - renamed it, then replaced the images it contained with the images id been sent
Jun 16 15:50:11 <mophead> then just created an avd as normal
Jun 16 15:50:41 <mophead> KNY - i gotta go - that ok?
Jun 16 15:50:55 <KNY> mophead, yeah, that's fine
Jun 16 15:50:56 <KNY> thanks
Jun 16 15:51:01 <mophead> nps - catchya later
Jun 16 16:00:28 <almondmendoza> what is the problem when the host is unresolved?
Jun 16 16:24:38 <jasta> morning folks
Jun 16 17:10:33 <paianoa> Hi all, for a game I need to manage the HOME button, I've read on android-developers that it cannot be done. Someone knows a workaround?
Jun 16 17:14:50 <paianoa> no one? :(
Jun 16 17:19:43 <jt436> you don't want to mess with the HOME button ;)
Jun 16 17:24:54 <paianoa> I don't want my game to be stopped by a mistake of the user while playing.
Jun 16 17:43:12 <digitalspaghetti> users are stupid, they are going to do that anyway
Jun 16 17:43:21 <jt436> ha
Jun 16 18:06:23 <denis^da> jsharkey: Are you online?
Jun 16 18:11:15 <herriojr> so, we can't send port-directed sms between carriers, correct?
Jun 16 18:16:15 * ctate cues up some appropriate tunes
Jun 16 18:17:08 <ctate> (starting with "Makes Me Wanna Die")
Jun 16 18:19:26 <herriojr> heh, you should build something that automatically tells the channel what you're listening to ;)
Jun 16 18:20:30 <KNY> good god no. those are the worst
Jun 16 18:21:09 <ctate> herriojr: that's so 1993
Jun 16 18:21:25 <ctate> clearly i should Wave it.
Jun 16 18:22:35 <herriojr> Wave?
Jun 16 18:23:02 <sammyF> herriojr: he might be right about you and the the "last century" thing  ;)
Jun 16 18:23:22 <herriojr> and I'm 25 :)
Jun 16 18:23:37 <sammyF> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ
Jun 16 18:23:38 <herriojr> oh, you're talking about Google Wave
Jun 16 18:23:56 <sammyF> yep ... that's the one
Jun 16 18:24:10 <herriojr> I thought I can't even use that yet...
Jun 16 18:24:23 <herriojr> which I can't
Jun 16 18:24:25 <sammyF> speaking of which, anybody beside me find that Bing is a stupid name for a search engine?
Jun 16 18:24:35 <denis^da> Get wave online
Jun 16 18:24:40 <denis^da> NOW! :)
Jun 16 18:24:45 <herriojr> sammyF: agreed
Jun 16 18:25:41 <sammyF> (1998)  'Hey man, can you yahoo 'sex' for me?' (2005) "I googled for some pr0n today!" (2010) "I binged your wife at work"
Jun 16 18:25:52 <sammyF>  seriously someone didn't think hard about name choice
Jun 16 18:26:08 <grey-> or did they?
Jun 16 18:26:59 <sammyF> grey-: you mean it's all part of the Secret Master Plan ?
Jun 16 18:28:56 <sammyF> although they do plan to have their own porn search engine called explicit.bing.net ... so maybe you're right
Jun 16 18:30:09 <herriojr> the only think I think of when I see the word "bing" are cherries
Jun 16 18:31:35 <KNY> is there a /tmp I should play with or should I use getCacheDir() ? I'm going to be doing this from native code so something like /tmp would be far more convenient
Jun 16 18:35:58 <ctate> there is no /tmp
Jun 16 18:36:18 <ctate> have your app code tell the native code where to play
Jun 16 18:42:35 <KNY> ctate, that's what I figured; thanks
Jun 16 19:00:02 <jasta> KNY: yes, definitely use getCacheDir()
Jun 16 19:00:12 <KNY> will do
Jun 16 19:00:18 <jasta> the user actually has an interface to clear out applications cache directories btw
Jun 16 19:04:12 <digitalspaghetti> is it possible with a custom view to pass it values through the XML at all?
Jun 16 19:05:13 <digitalspaghetti> basically i have a custom view that i use for fullscreen 99% of the time, but on one screen i need to add another image so I want to put my view within a relative view - but i need to pass in a specific image to my view
Jun 16 19:19:07 <jasta> digitalspaghetti: yes, look at Launcher as an example of this
Jun 16 19:19:22 <digitalspaghetti> k
Jun 16 19:35:01 <KNY> if you set MediaRecorder.setVideoSource(MediaRecorder.VideoSource.DEFAULT); does it just not record a video track? the docs say that if it isn't set then no video track is recorded (but nothing about DEFAULT)
Jun 16 19:57:57 <Rexxars> not really an android related question, but can a phone use GPRS while receiving a call?
Jun 16 20:01:21 <romainguy_> no
Jun 16 20:01:38 <romainguy_> only 3G will let you do that
Jun 16 20:01:38 <Rexxars> how about edge?
Jun 16 20:01:42 <romainguy_> nope
Jun 16 20:01:56 <Rexxars> k, thanks for the info :)
Jun 16 20:17:27 <ivantis> How do I get the value of a spinner?
Jun 16 20:17:46 <bdodson> Does anyone know much about EXIF data? I'm wondering if there's a way to tag a region of interest like you can in facebook/flickr/etc?
Jun 16 20:37:12 <KNY> bdodson, you could probably cram it into the comment field or something
Jun 16 20:39:10 <bdodson> yeah, I was wondering if there was a standard way to do it. Seems like an obvious thing to include in EXIF at this point...
Jun 16 20:39:43 <Rexxars> whats the prefered way to check if you're connected to a wifi network?
Jun 16 20:40:45 <Rexxars> been using WifiInfo's getNetworkId(), but I'm guessing there is a better way
Jun 16 20:41:08 <KNY> isn't there a connectivitymanager or something?
Jun 16 20:43:24 <mmmulani> is there any way to capture the exception thrown by requestLocationUpdates from a location manager?
Jun 16 20:46:32 <digitalspaghetti> anyone here doing any OpenGL ES stuff?
Jun 16 20:46:43 <KNY> sammyF is, I believe
Jun 16 20:56:52 <mmjack> Hey, Can somebody tell me how I would associate a file type with my application?.
Jun 16 21:22:03 <mmjack> Argh, What would the mime type be of a file type .torrent
Jun 16 21:27:29 <Rexxars> mmjack: application/x-bittorrent
Jun 16 21:53:58 <clearscreen> Is it discouraged to jump right into android development without any java experience? I do however have 'some' experience with C/C++ and some basic scripting languages
Jun 16 22:04:16 <Falcon4ever> i did the same :P
Jun 16 22:04:22 <Falcon4ever> just beware of random lockups ;D
Jun 16 22:07:21 <ewon> clearscreen: there is python and lua for android
Jun 16 22:07:27 <ewon> although it's in alpha
Jun 16 22:09:04 <clearscreen> ewon: I am not really experienced in either of those either - guess I'll just jump right in and see how far the rabbit hole goes ;)
Jun 16 22:09:14 <clearscreen> how deep*, whatever
Jun 16 22:09:25 <ewon> start with helloandroid and go from there :)
Jun 16 22:11:02 <FordPrefect> question: is it possible to have an ImageButton where the image is dynamically populated from an http address or alternatively the image is grabbed when the activity is started?
Jun 16 22:15:10 <herriojr> does anyone know the wait time on the Corporate agreements for Android Contributors?
Jun 16 22:15:26 <herriojr> it's almost been a month, and I still am listed as "Pending"
Jun 16 22:19:06 <ChrisL> Does anyone know if it's possible to create a visual Activity "stack"? Essentially I'd like to create an Activity Group that shows overlays new Activities on top of old ones, but still shows the edges of the old activities in the background to the user has a feeling how deep they are...
Jun 16 22:19:51 <ChrisL> Is ActivityGroup the right thing to extend or is there something better suited?
Jun 16 22:19:52 <KNY> you can set activities to have a dialog theme
Jun 16 22:20:37 <yxxm> hey guys, looking for (what I think to be) is a simple solution here: what object is akin to a <select> html element? I've been using Spinner, but that's not exactly what I need (or maybe it is?) essentially, I need to grab the underlying value of what the element is, not the text of the element itself. for example, with <option value="1">One</option>, i need to grab the value "1"
Jun 16 22:21:34 <KNY> yxxm, Spinner is what you want. getSelectedItemId() or something like that.
Jun 16 22:22:33 <yxxm> KNY: hm, yes, but that returns long. that just happened to coincide with my example. in actuality, it will be a string
Jun 16 22:23:05 <yxxm> non-numeric string, for that matter, heh
Jun 16 22:23:39 <KNY> I believe you can then use getSelectedItem() (which is probably a HashMap) and get the value you need
Jun 16 22:23:42 <Rexxars> you use the ID to look up the value from the underlying data (afaik)
Jun 16 22:24:06 <KNY> yeah, or get the HashMap from the Adapter; I don't remember
Jun 16 22:24:25 <yxxm> ah. shit. I totally overlooked that. thanks a lot KNY, Rexxars
Jun 16 22:27:44 <ChrisL> KNY, that helps with the look, but to get the stack effect, I'll need to change the position of the Activity depending on how deep in the stack it is. I know Android keeps an internal activity stack for going back. Is there a way for an Activity to know what it's position in that stack is?
Jun 16 22:31:19 <KNY> ChrisL, I have no idea, but I feel like that UI would get very messy very quickly
Jun 16 22:32:39 <ChrisL> KNY, yeah that's a concern...
Jun 16 22:36:01 <yxxm> KNY: sorry, another question. currently i'm loading the data in via the entries property of the Spinner (and, as such, XML data); I guess the reason I didn't think of your proposed solution is because you are suggesting I have to extend SpinnerAdapter to create the functionality I'm looking for?
Jun 16 22:37:03 <KNY> yxxm, if you're loading via entries (string array from resources I assume) then you could just load the string array and get it by getSelectedItemPosition(), no?
Jun 16 22:38:02 <meanburrito920_> I'm trying to post to a lighttpd server using apache.http and I'm having an issue turning off the 100-continue header. any ideas of how to turn this header off?
Jun 16 22:39:07 <meanburrito920_> I've tried setting the header to a different value, but the header is set after the client.execute() is called
Jun 16 22:39:49 <yxxm> KNY: hm? i'm looking to grab the underlying value of the selected item, i don't see how that helps?
Jun 16 22:41:04 <Rexxars> meanburrito920_: use HttpParams
Jun 16 22:41:15 <Rexxars> HttpProtocolParams.useExpectContinue(false);
Jun 16 22:41:18 <KNY> yxxm, you have the position and you have the array of data. I assume you can put them together to figure out what the value is, if I'm understanding this right
Jun 16 22:42:49 <digitalspaghetti> anyone here done a relative layout purely in Java?
Jun 16 22:44:36 <yxxm> KNY: so, imagine this: <string-array name="numbers"><item value="1">One</item><item value="2">Two</item></string-array>. that's being loaded into my Spinner. what I'll see in the Spinner are the values "One" and "Two" that I can select. however, what I really need are the values "1", if "One" was selected
Jun 16 22:49:15 <meanburrito920_> Rexxars, it claims that useExpectContinue takes Params as an argument, not a boolean
Jun 16 22:51:06 <meanburrito920_> Rexxars, oh, nevermind, i found it
Jun 16 22:51:51 <Rexxars> heh sorry, keep forgetting that :p
Jun 16 22:54:23 <meanburrito920_> Does anyone know how to turn parameters into an entity? because they are not automatically turning into an entity
Jun 16 22:54:43 <KNY> meanburrito920_, here's how I get around it: client.getParams().setBooleanParameter("http.protocol.expect-continue", false);
Jun 16 22:55:27 <Rexxars> yxxm: I think the best thing you can do is have a second string-array with the values
Jun 16 22:55:33 <meanburrito920_> you know, I've been trying to figure out that bug for two whole days now. i feel terrible :(
Jun 16 22:55:54 <Rexxars> heh, those pesky expect headers ;)
Jun 16 22:56:27 <yxxm> Rexxars: I actually just stumbled across a post on Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners/msg/ec6722e93d0fb28a) that is doing that. I think that's my best bet as well, apparently, hehe ;) thanks again
Jun 16 22:56:30 <meanburrito920_> so do you know about the params to entity thing?
Jun 16 22:56:43 <Rexxars> yxxm: happy to help
Jun 16 22:58:27 <Rexxars> I'm not sure if I understand what you mean burrito, but this is the way I use it: http://pastebin.com/m1b38abab
Jun 16 23:00:54 <meanburrito920_> Rexxars, when I do that none of the parameters go through :(
Jun 16 23:02:41 <Rexxars> as long as you execute that web client, I dont see why it wouldnt
Jun 16 23:03:48 <digitalspaghetti> can anyone help with this?  http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/65a0ee680366cc39
Jun 16 23:04:45 <Rexxars> romain just replied, so you might want to reply to him ;)
Jun 16 23:07:39 <meanburrito920_> anyone know of a way to html escape strings in android?
Jun 16 23:11:32 <digitalspaghetti> hrmm,  making the change i suggested didn't work
Jun 16 23:11:47 <digitalspaghetti> but it's late here now so i'll follow it up tomorrow
Jun 16 23:12:19 <digitalspaghetti> romainguy_: thank anyway, still isn;t working but i'll sleep on it
Jun 16 23:13:47 <romainguy_> herriojr: what company?
Jun 16 23:15:23 <digitalspaghetti> i know i shouldn;t be hard coding stuff like that but it's still testing phase and i'm on a tight deadline to get this finished :(
Jun 16 23:16:20 <romainguy_> digitalspaghetti: that's your code? dude... :)
Jun 16 23:16:35 <digitalspaghetti> if i can work out how to put the parameters into XML instead of code, i can use existing layouts from elsewhere and replace ScrollView's with my custom view
Jun 16 23:16:36 <romainguy_> using hard coded value doesn't even make things easier to write
Jun 16 23:16:42 <romainguy_> especially if you write code instead of using XML
Jun 16 23:16:44 <herriojr> romainguy: Asurion
Jun 16 23:16:52 <digitalspaghetti> yea - unfortunatly some fo the images provided are bigger than 320x480
Jun 16 23:16:54 <romainguy_> herriojr: ok thanks
Jun 16 23:17:01 <romainguy_> digitalspaghetti: so?
Jun 16 23:17:04 <digitalspaghetti> and putting and imageview inside a scrollview is also :fail:
Jun 16 23:17:12 <romainguy_> I didn't tell you to do that
Jun 16 23:17:18 <herriojr> romainguy: or Asurion Mobile Applications, I don't know which was put on the application
Jun 16 23:17:40 <romainguy_> I'm telling you that your relativelayout is bigger than the space you have on screen
Jun 16 23:17:42 <romainguy_> just use fill_parent
Jun 16 23:18:00 <romainguy_> also, what doesn't work by putting an imageview inside a scrollview?
Jun 16 23:18:10 <romainguy_> you need 2d scrolling?
Jun 16 23:18:36 <romainguy_> herriojr: where did you send your agreement, we cannot findit?
Jun 16 23:19:03 <romainguy_> herriojr: pm
Jun 16 23:19:13 <digitalspaghetti> horizontal scrolling
Jun 16 23:19:58 <romainguy_> digitalspaghetti: then use HorizontalScrollView
Jun 16 23:20:10 <romainguy_> and ImageView in autoresize mode should work
Jun 16 23:20:15 <digitalspaghetti> the only example i could find was http://www.anddev.org/scrolling_a_picture_horizontally_and_vertically-t3245.html
Jun 16 23:20:19 <digitalspaghetti> :o
Jun 16 23:20:55 <digitalspaghetti> i'm going to go to bed now and cry into my pillow
Jun 16 23:21:31 <digitalspaghetti> so HorizontalScrollView will do both horizonal and vertical/  (the image is 640x1060)
Jun 16 23:21:35 <digitalspaghetti> ?
Jun 16 23:21:39 <romainguy_> no
Jun 16 23:21:46 <romainguy_> like the name implies, it does only horizontal scrolling
Jun 16 23:21:58 <romainguy_> but when I asked if you needed 2D scrolling you replied "horizontal scrolling"
Jun 16 23:22:04 <romainguy_> anyway
Jun 16 23:22:09 <romainguy_> you can use your own scrollview, that's fine
Jun 16 23:22:36 <ChrisL> If I apply a style/theme in my application, and my application uses activities from other applications, should I expect those "foreign" activities to have the same style as other activities within my app?
Jun 16 23:23:05 * digitalspaghetti had a 7 hour planning meeting today and this project is 2 weeks over due to client being slow and chaging requirements left, right and centre - brain is fried
Jun 16 23:23:42 <Rexxars> thats nothing spaghetti :p
Jun 16 23:24:05 <KNY> this is more of an android platform question, but does anyone know what video encoding library android uses?
Jun 16 23:24:10 <digitalspaghetti> at least i know everything is *in* the hierachy that i need - but yea
Jun 16 23:24:31 <Rexxars> I made an app in 2 weeks for a client.. they had agreed to every part of it beforehand. When it was done they asked me to change the GUI to resemble their iPhone version of the same app x<
Jun 16 23:24:32 <digitalspaghetti> right really, now i'm off to bed
Jun 16 23:24:36 <digitalspaghetti> night
Jun 16 23:27:39 <ewon> Rexxars: lolocaust
Jun 17 00:11:24 <Gaz_BIRTHDAY_BOY> Rexxars: i hate that so much :-(
Jun 17 00:20:21 <sammyF> GazZzz: you played around a bit with openGL ES, didn't you?
Jun 17 00:45:28 <Skail> hello all.  In the notepad tute, can anyone tell me why the highlight/hitbox matches so poorly with the visuals?  or more to the point, how do you control the highlighting and hitbox?
Jun 17 01:18:44 <chouman82> anyone knows how to use onInterceptTouchEvent?
Jun 17 01:22:04 <_Auron_> onInterceptTouchEvent?
Jun 17 01:22:09 <chouman82> yea
Jun 17 01:22:40 <chouman82> i am trying to capture some certain touchevents but not others
Jun 17 01:22:49 <chouman82> its a method in viewgroup
Jun 17 01:23:00 <chouman82> i am trying to use it in listview
Jun 17 01:23:06 <chouman82> but it is not called
Jun 17 01:23:59 <_Auron_> not sure. I'm still trying to figure out how to make onTouchEvent() not rape the CPU
Jun 17 01:24:44 <sammyF> _Auron_: if you find out, please tell me :/
Jun 17 01:25:13 <_Auron|G1_> you're having a problem with it too?
Jun 17 01:25:19 <chouman82> onTouchEvent?
Jun 17 01:25:21 <sammyF> _Auron_: I'm experiencing some incredible lag when users keep their smeary fingers on the screen
Jun 17 01:25:22 <chouman82> wat do u mean?
Jun 17 01:26:27 <sammyF> _Auron_: I'm currently thinking about reducing the controls in my game to just TouchDown, and just ignore Move events. The lag will still be there but at least there won't be any incentive for the player to produce it :/
Jun 17 01:26:43 <_Auron|G1_> all I find is people saying to sleep the thread but that doesn't help in onTouchEvent's case
Jun 17 01:26:59 <sammyF> yep :/
Jun 17 01:27:45 <sammyF> chouman82: TouchEvents happen very very fast.
Jun 17 01:27:53 <_Auron|G1_> sammyf: having onTouchEvent() with nothing in the method still causes lag, it's literally just how android processes it
Jun 17 01:27:56 <_Auron|G1_> too fast
Jun 17 01:28:14 <sammyF> _Auron|G1_: yep ... tried that too.
Jun 17 01:28:17 <_Auron|G1_> there should be methods to parse for input, not being forced to take it
Jun 17 01:28:30 <_Auron|G1_> that's stupid on a dev standpoint
Jun 17 01:28:48 <sammyF> or at least to force the OS to reduce it's poll speed
Jun 17 01:28:56 <_Auron|G1_> that too
Jun 17 01:29:01 <sammyF> there is something like that for the sensors, but not for touch :(
Jun 17 01:29:14 <_Auron|G1_> which is odd
Jun 17 01:29:25 <sammyF> well .. maybe there is, but I couldn't find it
Jun 17 01:29:34 <_Auron|G1_> if there is let me know
Jun 17 01:30:51 <_Auron|G1_> 20-30 times a second should be plenty for me
Jun 17 01:31:02 <sammyF> yeah
Jun 17 01:31:10 <_Auron|G1_> I think it reads in 80-100 times a second though
Jun 17 01:31:47 <sammyF> try updating a complex openGL view when the CPU is hogged by touches :/
Jun 17 01:32:16 <_Auron|G1_> ^
Jun 17 01:33:01 <_Auron|G1_> the trackball input also lags but I sleep the thread for 16ms and it doesn't lag, but that doesn't work on touch events
Jun 17 01:33:47 <_Auron|G1_> I think it builds a stack of input and processes the whole stack before its done
Jun 17 01:34:05 <_Auron|G1_> which is horrible
Jun 17 01:39:19 <sammyF> writing games for Android is half a nightmare really. you have to live with the fact that it's phone (very weak ressources) to start with, but then you have to contend with the fact that users might have only a touchscreen for controls and that you can't even really use it for anything that's time-critical :(
Jun 17 01:40:15 <sammyF> at times it feels like jumping through hoops and having some set fire to a few on the way :/
Jun 17 01:42:34 <_Auron_> sammyF: you might find this discussion an interesting read about our problem: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/39eea4d7f6e6dfca/c1d2c2c4950ef14d?lnk=gst&q=touch+slows+down
Jun 17 01:42:39 <_Auron_> somehow he got the thread to sleep though
Jun 17 01:43:34 <elprespufferfish> is there an API for gtalk?
Jun 17 01:43:45 <lucius> is conversation here in irc logged somewhere?
Jun 17 01:44:47 <Radix_> freenode don't allow public irc logging afaik
Jun 17 01:56:17 <sammyF> YAY!
Jun 17 01:59:27 <sammyF> _Auron_: this worked for me : http://pastebin.com/m427c3b59
Jun 17 02:00:09 <sammyF> no noticeable slow downs at the moment
Jun 17 02:00:24 <sammyF> thanks for the link to the thread
Jun 17 02:12:55 <_Auron_> huh?
Jun 17 02:13:54 <_Auron_> o.o
Jun 17 02:14:01 <_Auron_> you're doing it differently than I am
Jun 17 02:14:29 <sammyF> hmmm ... I am?
Jun 17 02:15:31 <_Auron_> but I noticed something in your code that I just changed to, and that's return true; at the end no matter what
Jun 17 02:15:59 <_Auron_> I don't know why but I was doing return super.onTouchEvent(); at the end, which is probably why my thread sleeping wasn't working that well
Jun 17 02:16:40 <sammyF> _Auron_: I was actually using wait() and it seems like it would get interrupted anyway when there was touch
Jun 17 02:16:57 <_Auron_> oh
Jun 17 02:17:27 <_Auron_> I have my input processing under the main activity, and just change some switches for input that get processed in my game code
Jun 17 02:19:28 <_Auron_> eh, I'll look into it later
Jun 17 02:19:31 <_Auron_> going to play a game, bbl
Jun 17 02:19:45 <sammyF> have fun
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