**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 15 02:59:59 2012
May 15 03:02:28 <tnzr> does anyone know how to get rid of the holo-themed default layout if I'm trying to use a GLSurfaceView? I deleted main.xml (mimicking the BasicGLSurfaceView sample) and it's still there when I run it
May 15 03:10:46 <Leeds> anyone awake want to do me a quick off-topic favour?  send me a test email so I can see if my filters are working?
May 15 03:11:08 <g00s> Leeds: where to ?
May 15 03:14:49 <romainguy> tnzr: what are you trying to remove exactly?
May 15 03:17:20 <Storm2010> hey i have a visualizer in a tabhost and when i run the app and go to tht tab i get: setCaptureSize() called in wrong state: 2
May 15 03:20:01 <geek_snail> why the ndk smaples don't contain the c header files, and i use javah to generate the c headers.
May 15 03:23:26 <geek_snail> hi, anyone can answer my questions? much appreciate, i'm a newbie on ndk
May 15 03:30:46 <t0mless> hrm
May 15 03:30:55 <t0mless> with gpu emulation on... the graphics look more pixelated
May 15 03:35:41 * Leeds contemplates listening for undocumented broadcast intent... hmm...
May 15 03:49:10 <readme> you can detect unicorns
May 15 03:49:15 <readme> just register for the unicorn receiver
May 15 03:53:32 <g00s> charlie … come on charlie, come to candy mountain !
May 15 03:54:41 <Leeds> so, a general question... if you were trying to build an alert/alarm which was as obnoxious as possible, really trying to get the user's attention...
May 15 03:55:14 <readme> huh.. what... grumble... candy mountain...
May 15 03:55:17 <Leeds> loud noise, brightly-coloured dialog, maybe flash the screen brightness to 100% and back?
May 15 03:55:35 <readme> sounds about right. I'd change the color for maximum effect.
May 15 03:55:41 <readme> #000 to #fff
May 15 03:55:52 <readme> maybe turn on the LED too
May 15 03:55:53 <readme> ;P
May 15 03:56:01 <Leeds> right, LED - that'll help :)
May 15 03:56:09 <g00s> hehe, use the flash :D
May 15 03:56:20 <Leeds> this will *really* make sure they see my ads - never mind pansy notification-bar crap
May 15 03:56:28 <readme> yeah, the flash is the LED i had in mind :)
May 15 03:56:51 <Leeds> (this is not for ads, it's for an alarm the user *must* have manually enabled)
May 15 03:57:03 <readme> you can play hypnotic patterns with the flash, for mind control.
May 15 03:57:35 <g00s> but don't induce a seizure :/
May 15 03:57:43 <Leeds> just deleting some old donut and cupcake AVDs...
May 15 04:03:53 <ron_frown> leeds, dont bother asking that on any email threads
May 15 04:04:03 <ron_frown> dianne will whip your ASS
May 15 04:05:03 <Leeds> yeah, Dianne scares me
May 15 04:07:16 <tnzr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3588093/button-and-glsurfaceview  <-- does anyone know which LayoutParams to import for this?
May 15 04:09:35 <PowerInside> Toggle buttons.. do I have to approach them like normal buttons and give them onclicklisteners and make my own toggle logic inside? Or is there some other method?
May 15 04:10:20 <b1n0ry> hi all
May 15 04:10:41 <b1n0ry> running into a bit of an issue with a listview i'm hoping someone can help me out with...
May 15 04:11:40 <b1n0ry> rather with an ArrayList, i have an arraylist element called "hasChildren". in a listview.onClick override, i'm trying to do a simple compare. if (list.get(position).get("hasChildren") == "1") { ...do stuff }
May 15 04:12:16 <b1n0ry> now, if I Log.i(TAG, list.get(position).get("hasChildren")); LogCat shows me "1"
May 15 04:12:29 <b1n0ry> but the code inside the if {} block never executes
May 15 04:12:56 <b1n0ry> i'm thinking maybe there's something missing/different about one of the strings. either some underlying data type, a non printable string terminator, etc.
May 15 04:13:13 <b1n0ry> something Log.i isn't showing me...
May 15 04:13:36 <b1n0ry> anyway, that's the issue i'm having. any suggestions?
May 15 04:17:44 <t0mless> b1n0ry is hasChildren a string?
May 15 04:17:54 <b1n0ry> yes
May 15 04:18:12 <t0mless> try "1".equals(list.get(position).get("hasChildren")
May 15 04:18:17 <t0mless> and why aren't you using a boolean?
May 15 04:18:43 <b1n0ry> the value is being returned from JSON output on a web service
May 15 04:18:50 <t0mless> ahh
May 15 04:19:01 <t0mless> and you can't get it as an integer?
May 15 04:19:24 <b1n0ry> for some stupid reason, my JSON library quotes everything as either strings or arrays
May 15 04:19:34 <readme> ...
May 15 04:19:39 <readme> read the json spec on json.org.
May 15 04:19:41 <t0mless> why not use the built in json that isn't stupid then?
May 15 04:19:49 <b1n0ry> lol, it's php's simple json_encode()
May 15 04:20:05 <t0mless> right... you can pull that as an int
May 15 04:20:17 <t0mless> when you parse it on the android side
May 15 04:20:24 <t0mless> or even set it as a boolean when you parse it
May 15 04:20:33 <b1n0ry> if it's either 0 or 1, why? int = 4 bytes. 1 character string = 1 byte.
May 15 04:21:05 <b1n0ry> not that 3 bytes makes a huge difference with today's memory and buffers...
May 15 04:21:22 <t0mless> well try with .equals() instead
May 15 04:21:54 <b1n0ry> giving it a shot
May 15 04:22:09 <b1n0ry> launching my emu now
May 15 04:22:29 <b1n0ry> btw, i've been 'programming' in the android sdk for all of about 4 days now, lol.
May 15 04:22:46 <b1n0ry> so i apologize in advance for my naivety
May 15 04:23:36 <b1n0ry> .equals() seems to work :) any indication as to why == doesn't work consistently for string compares?
May 15 04:23:47 <b1n0ry> (just trying to understand)
May 15 04:27:03 <skifreak> hello all, I'm in the process of developing my first android app and need a graphing packages for me to pipe in realtime data every 30 sec or so. Doesn't have to be anything fancy, the vertical axis will only have four or five values.Developing obviously with android sdk.
May 15 04:28:29 <skifreak> I've been looking at chartdroid, androidplot, achartengine, and others
May 15 04:36:08 <b1n0ry> if i have two layouts each with a textview, what is the 'scope' of the textview ID? could i call them both textView1 since they're both on different layouts or should every control/element have a unique ID?
May 15 04:36:40 <jeppy> you can name them the same
May 15 04:37:08 <b1n0ry> thanks, jeppy. if i alter one of them dynamically, is the target based on which layout is set at the moment?
May 15 04:54:36 <DallaRosa> What triggers "onPageFinished" in the WebViewClient class? I've  being trying to look around the source code but can't seem to find what it is
May 15 05:28:07 <Knossos> I wish the dev-account would update more often :(
May 15 05:28:13 <DallaRosa> What triggers "onPageFinished" in the WebViewClient class? I've  being trying to look around the source code but can't seem to find what it is
May 15 05:29:35 <pfn> keep digging
May 15 05:31:03 <pfn> DallaRosa, repo grep onPageFinished
May 15 05:35:06 <tnzr> anyone familiar with adding buttons to a GLSurfaceView?
May 15 05:36:32 <readme> you can't "add a button to a GLSurfaceView" but you can: implement your own button in opengl, or overlay a button over the view, using a RelativeLayout.
May 15 05:37:30 <tnzr> i'm overlaying buttons on one using a LinearLayout
May 15 05:37:43 <tnzr> but I just don't know how to have some at the top and some at the bottom
May 15 05:38:24 <ron_frown> jake sure as hell has been mia since getting his new job
May 15 05:38:32 <t0mless> He's around
May 15 05:38:44 <t0mless> he flew somewhere a few days ago
May 15 05:38:48 <tnzr> I can do         layout.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER | Gravity.TOP);  then add the button for the top, then use         layout.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER | Gravity.BOTTOM);  and add the bottom ones but i don't seem to understand how it works because the Gravity.TOP seems to be ignored
May 15 05:39:03 <tnzr> basically one button isn't fitting on the screen so I want to reposition one from the bottom to the top to make some room
May 15 05:51:08 <g00s> ron_frown: have you played with SourceTree for git ?
May 15 05:51:24 <g00s> http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
May 15 05:51:42 <g00s> i think the other day you mentioned tower; the is free though :
May 15 05:58:03 <readme> tnzr: relative layout would be easier.
May 15 05:58:20 <readme> infact, you can't overlay something with a linear layout. it doesn't stack elements on top of each other
May 15 05:58:38 <readme> you need to use either FrameLayout or RelativeLayout in some capacity if you want overlay.
May 15 05:58:53 <readme> a LinearLayout can indeed be overlayed itself, but only by using one of the previously mentioned layouts.
May 15 06:01:41 <tnzr> readme: ok cool, I will read up and experiment :)
May 15 06:01:49 <Exano1> Okay, now I really hate Wifi. And pidgeon's irc lol
May 15 06:02:03 <t0mless> pidgin's irc is not very good
May 15 06:03:21 <Exano1> not at all
May 15 06:03:53 <DallaRosa> pfn: CallbackProxy.java
May 15 06:04:08 <DallaRosa> I was looking the grepcode (online) but that was taking crazy long
May 15 06:04:43 <DallaRosa> just remembered I had the source code in a server
May 15 06:10:00 <PowerInside> Anyone know how to mimic a lockscreen? there are many apps out there.. I don't know how it is done.
May 15 06:10:36 <Exano1> PowerInside: What do you mean? Like, make a custom lock screen thats an application?
May 15 06:11:02 <PowerInside> Exano1: Exactly.. custom lockscreen like that fake fingerprint scanner..
May 15 06:19:04 <ron_frown> PowerInside not really the topic to be discussed here
May 15 06:19:13 <ron_frown> but lockscreen is not separate from rest of android
May 15 06:19:17 <ron_frown> you can simulate it
May 15 06:19:21 <ron_frown>  or you can replace it
May 15 06:19:42 <DallaRosa> PowerInside: googling never hurts.
May 15 06:19:42 <DallaRosa> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2140964/android-lock-screen-source-code
May 15 06:20:12 <DallaRosa> or "stackoverflowing"
May 15 06:20:23 <g00s> soing :)
May 15 06:20:28 <DallaRosa> pl
May 15 06:20:30 <DallaRosa> oops
May 15 06:20:31 <DallaRosa> ok
May 15 06:20:35 <DallaRosa> that sounds better ^^
May 15 06:21:31 <PowerInside> DallaRosa: I did find that link. Honestly, I am not looking for modifying the original lockscreen.. just finding out a way to make/mimic one
May 15 06:21:46 <PowerInside> Like the ones on the market
May 15 06:22:37 <DallaRosa> 1. you learn how to make a lock screen (looking at the original is a good start) 2. you create your own app that does what the original lockscreen does + what you want it do
May 15 06:22:40 <DallaRosa> what about that?
May 15 06:22:41 <DallaRosa> :
May 15 06:22:42 <DallaRosa> :p
May 15 06:24:10 <PowerInside> Why would I need to look at the original source code of the lockscreen? that would show way too much internals.. Basically I figured it out now.. I'd just need to make a simple app, and then disable the home and back key. That's good for starters like me I suppose :)
May 15 06:27:16 <Leeds> PowerInside: except you can't 'just' disable the home key
May 15 06:27:29 <j4nu5> i have two webviews in my activity. if i set cache settings using something like view.getSettings().setAppCacheMaxSize(8 * 1024 * 1024); is the cache shared b/w the two webviews or each has its own cache?
May 15 06:28:19 <PowerInside> Leeds: elaborate if you may? I haven't been there.. I just heard the home key can be overridden.
May 15 06:28:32 <Leeds> PowerInside: feel free to try
May 15 06:58:28 <mastroWork> does someone know if is possible to make a clickable logo (with a little arrow on the left when it do something) in the ActionBar without using Window.FEATURE_CUSTOM_TITLE? Like in google play
May 15 06:59:20 <Ge0rG> mastroWork: the clickable logo is part of the default actionbar, actually
May 15 06:59:57 <Ge0rG> for ABS it would be actionBar.setHomeButtonEnabled(true); I'm sure its the same for the default AB
May 15 07:00:19 <mastroWork> Ge0rG, let me see..
May 15 07:00:32 <Ge0rG> mastroWork: but you should be using actionbarsherlock anyway
May 15 07:03:48 <Ge0rG> bbl
May 15 07:04:32 <mastroWork> Ge0rG, why ActionBarSherlock? anyway I don't see how to add the arrow on the left of the logo and how to handle the click :) but thanks you gave me some direction
May 15 07:19:39 <napster> I have applied this : http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/res/ColorStateList.html to a textView in my listview item. But it does not work at all. The color of the text does not change on click. How to fix it through xml itself?
May 15 07:20:06 <readme> maybe you messed up the logic
May 15 07:20:10 <readme> paste your code
May 15 07:20:49 <readme> another thing is about whether the textview is focusable when inside the listview item
May 15 07:20:59 <readme> not sure about that, you might have to set it
May 15 07:23:05 <napster> readme: sure
May 15 07:24:25 <napster> readme: https://gist.github.com/2699734 here it is
May 15 07:24:55 <napster> I applied this drawable to android:textColor attribute of the textview in the ListItem layout
May 15 07:24:55 <pragma-> kamehameha
May 15 07:25:02 <readme> napster: that last one might be messing it up
May 15 07:25:04 <readme>     <item android:color="@color/dark_grey"/>
May 15 07:25:33 <readme> I believe you need to explicitly specify colors in relation to what state something is in
May 15 07:25:44 <napster> readme: I see, let check that
May 15 07:26:19 <readme> also if your state_enabled is false, I don't know how you're going to press it
May 15 07:26:27 <readme> so the second item is not going to ever be hit
May 15 07:26:46 <readme> so that cuts it down to only possible: light grey on disabled, and yellow on focus.
May 15 07:27:12 <napster> readme: It is not getting focused either
May 15 07:27:23 <readme> it's probably not focusable
May 15 07:27:32 <readme> try testing it outside of the listview first
May 15 07:27:53 <readme> and I think you want the second one (light blue) to be state_enabled=true
May 15 07:27:56 <napster> readme: sure
May 15 07:27:59 <napster> ok
May 15 07:29:48 <napster> readme: just changed state_enabled=false to state_enabled=true and it works
May 15 07:30:14 <napster> but not focusable yet. Since it is a list item, should I do something else to make it focusable?
May 15 07:30:31 <g00s> interesting, i wonder what educational software they plan on using http://phandroid.com/2012/05/13/thai-govt-signs-32-8-million-deal-to-purchase-android-tablets-for-education/
May 15 07:30:58 <pragma-> probably oregon trail
May 15 07:31:08 <Exano1> lol
May 15 07:34:12 <readme> napster: you can try setFocusable() and setFocusableInTouchMode()
May 15 07:34:20 <readme> I'm not sure if that's the appropriate solution, though.
May 15 07:34:38 <napster> readme: I did that through xml but no change
May 15 07:34:43 <napster> let me digg on it
May 15 07:36:38 <readme> http://blog.jelastic.com/2012/05/14/how-fast-are-jvm-based-languages-growing-among-developers/
May 15 07:37:57 <g00s> napster: also maybe try drawSelectorOnTop; i always get that thing confused
May 15 07:38:42 <napster> g00s: ok, let me try that
May 15 07:38:50 <g00s> i have a hard time believing groovy is so high up there. it was popular in like 2009
May 15 07:41:25 <MarcAurelio> Hi all
May 15 07:43:53 <readme> g00s: yeah, it's false positives
May 15 07:44:04 <readme> it matches phrases like "Looking for a groovy waitress"
May 15 07:44:18 * readme just left that as a comment, but it's pending moderation.
May 15 07:45:10 <g00s> :)
May 15 07:46:08 <readme> scala and clojure are probably less noisy signals, though.
May 15 07:46:15 <readme> I doubt those would have many false positives.
May 15 07:47:46 <Blou_Aap> I use fragments, but for the life of me I do not understand when the activity restarts because of orientation change why the fragment gets added back?
May 15 07:48:02 <Blou_Aap> it works on 3.2 but not 3.1 android
May 15 07:48:42 <Blou_Aap> been at this for 28 hours straight now and still can't find a solution�.sigh
May 15 07:51:36 <g00s> Blou_Aap: its probably best to pretend 3.x doesn't exist ;)
May 15 07:52:05 <g00s> i wish in my manifest i could say … api 8 and up except HC :)
May 15 07:53:38 <Blou_Aap> i want to trust me
May 15 07:53:49 <Blou_Aap> but my company wants support for that for the clients
May 15 07:53:59 <Blou_Aap> because they are fucking morons
May 15 07:54:01 <JakeWharton> why would you ignore Honeycomb?
May 15 07:54:04 <JakeWharton> if you support ICS?
May 15 07:54:13 <g00s> i consider all of HC beta
May 15 07:54:21 <Blou_Aap> me too
May 15 07:54:22 <g00s> it was buggy shit
May 15 07:54:23 <JakeWharton> that's not an answer
May 15 07:54:28 <Blou_Aap> omg i hate honeycomb
May 15 07:55:20 <Blou_Aap> how can the same code work in 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.2 and 3.2.1 but not on 3.1  ?!?!?!?!?
May 15 07:55:38 <Blou_Aap> WHAT the actual fffffffffffff#$%@#$%
May 15 07:55:47 <g00s> also, all HC has 3.2% share, which is not likely to increase because of ICS, but it left a trail of bugs to deal woth
May 15 07:55:56 <JakeWharton> like what?
May 15 07:55:56 <g00s> *with
May 15 07:56:11 <JakeWharton> Blou_Aap: you provide no context to your question therefore will never receive an answer
May 15 07:56:28 <Blou_Aap> i did earlier
May 15 07:56:34 <Blou_Aap> and yesterday a few times
May 15 07:56:59 * JakeWharton jumps in his time machine
May 15 07:57:19 <g00s> JakeWharton arrives in 2014 and realizes everyone is using windows phone 8
May 15 07:57:24 <g00s> bwahahaha
May 15 07:57:29 <g00s> its like biff won after all
May 15 07:57:42 <Blou_Aap> i have an activity that restarts because of orientation change�exactly what I want. BUT I have fragments, but I update the layout with layout-port, etc
May 15 07:57:47 <JakeWharton> things will change but that will never happen
May 15 07:57:51 <g00s> but bring me back one of those cool levitating skateboards
May 15 07:58:13 <Blou_Aap> but when i change orientation, the fragment doesn't get added back, just all my other views are there
May 15 07:58:30 <JakeWharton> "I update the layout with layout-port"
May 15 07:58:31 <JakeWharton> explain
May 15 07:58:50 <Blou_Aap> :/
May 15 07:58:56 <Blou_Aap> my xml views
May 15 07:59:10 <Blou_Aap> I have different ones for portrait and landscape
May 15 07:59:18 <g00s> Blou_Aap: layout xml, code … you have some splanin to do
May 15 07:59:21 <Blou_Aap> layout and layout-port
May 15 07:59:29 * JakeWharton shudders
May 15 07:59:30 <Blou_Aap> -_-
May 15 07:59:47 <JakeWharton> so you use layout/ for landscape and layout-port/ for portrait?
May 15 07:59:57 <JakeWharton> how… unconventional
May 15 08:00:08 <Blou_Aap> i don't know how to explain common android stuff
May 15 08:00:17 <Blou_Aap> ye because it's for tablets only
May 15 08:00:32 <Blou_Aap> and landscape is default for honeycomb  . . . -_-
May 15 08:00:55 <JakeWharton> there is no default orientation for a platform version
May 15 08:01:05 <JakeWharton> anyways
May 15 08:01:13 <Blou_Aap> nvm then
May 15 08:01:16 <Blou_Aap> ...
May 15 08:01:39 <JakeWharton> I wanted you to explain what "I update the layout" meant but what you meant was that you provide different layouts based on resource qualifiers and let the platform switch them for you
May 15 08:01:58 <g00s> JakeWharton: have you ever seen this? any thoughts? http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
May 15 08:02:29 <JakeWharton> g00s: I have seen it before, yes. Used it, no. Atlassian makes amazing tools so I'm sure it's great.
May 15 08:02:51 <JakeWharton> I learned on the command line so that's where I'm most comfortable
May 15 08:03:01 <g00s> :)
May 15 08:03:10 <JakeWharton> I also use IntelliJ IDEAs integration with git sometimes for trivial tasks
May 15 08:03:17 <g00s> ok
May 15 08:03:19 <JakeWharton> It's free so I might as well install
May 15 08:05:21 <JakeWharton> trying to quickly write coding demos for my talk tomorrow
May 15 08:05:27 <JakeWharton> I shouldn't have procrastinated this
May 15 08:05:37 <g00s> JakeWharton: what topic did you decide ?
May 15 08:07:01 <JakeWharton> it's broad: writing APKs that work on every device properly
May 15 08:07:14 <JakeWharton> it's about abstraction techniques, design patterns that scale, and (of course) my libraries
May 15 08:07:18 <g00s> hmm, sounds good
May 15 08:07:40 <JakeWharton> I classified the talk as "intermediate" when I signed up so I can't go too crazy
May 15 08:08:46 <JakeWharton> I also have to publish a blog post and cut a new ABS release before then too
May 15 08:08:53 <JakeWharton> and it's already after 1am
May 15 08:09:02 <g00s> :O
May 15 08:09:28 <JakeWharton> I want to finish my demos and submit the pull request for the blog post.
May 15 08:09:47 <JakeWharton> I can deal with any feedback on it tomorrow and do the release in like 5 min at the conference
May 15 08:09:56 <JakeWharton> I should do it as part of my talk, actually
May 15 08:11:05 <JakeWharton> all of my code demos are written using ICS APIs and then I'm going to back port them while talking
May 15 08:11:18 <JakeWharton> I've never tested back porting them though so it will be a very real-world experience
May 15 08:13:05 <pragma-> LOL
May 15 08:13:15 <pragma-> I strongly advise you to test before you get embarassed.
May 15 08:13:21 <pragma-> Always know the answers beforehand.
May 15 08:13:55 <JakeWharton> I know they'll eventually work as I picked examples that are already ported in the sample of each library
May 15 08:14:21 <g00s> JakeWharton: i was reading about that system installed in a bunch of bars in SF called SceneTap, have you heard of it?
May 15 08:14:28 <JakeWharton> yeah you linked it earlier
May 15 08:14:29 <readme> it might be a good idea not to risk it
May 15 08:14:37 <readme> maybe, backport it before hand
May 15 08:14:42 <readme> and save some steps
May 15 08:14:56 <JakeWharton> I'm risking it
May 15 08:15:04 <g00s> no balls no glory !
May 15 08:15:11 <JakeWharton> I'm not tricking my people into using my libraries under the guise of simple conversions
May 15 08:15:23 <JakeWharton> I want the conversions to actually BE simple and straightforward enough that I can do them without ever having done them before
May 15 08:15:53 <JakeWharton> ABS is probably the most steps, switch the theme, switch the base class, switch getActionBar to getSupportActionBar, change menu imports
May 15 08:16:02 <JakeWharton> but that's it
May 15 08:16:14 <readme> yeah but things happen in programming sometimes, like a stray character here and there, and when you are in front of a crowd you may be too nervous to detect the problem
May 15 08:16:30 <readme> then you will be up there for 5 minutes trying to figure out where you missed the semicolon
May 15 08:16:56 <JakeWharton> well I'll let you know where I crash and burn or not :)
May 15 08:17:05 <readme> oh, i'm sure it will be on the internet to watch
May 15 08:17:09 <JakeWharton> haha
May 15 08:17:13 <JakeWharton> i don't think they allow filming
May 15 08:17:17 <readme> =O
May 15 08:17:23 <JakeWharton> I know right
May 15 08:17:34 <JakeWharton> I might give the talk here at work and we can film it and post it online
May 15 08:17:47 <JakeWharton> but that'll be a second runthrough
May 15 08:20:42 <RobinB> hi
May 15 08:30:21 <t432> Working with 'Google's AutoComplete Places Api' which connects to server and retrives a json file.  Following a tutorial but I seem to be getting "filenotfoundexception" can any spot anything wrong? - http://pastebin.com/a2gpwM2E
May 15 08:33:07 <Blou_Aap> 29 hours and I got it it. Google stick this up your ass Im finally gnu get some sleep!!!!!   :D/-<  :D\-<  :DZ-<
May 15 08:37:24 <DallaRosa> Blou_Aap: good gnu sleep :)
May 15 08:37:37 <Blou_Aap> gna*  :D
May 15 08:37:46 <DallaRosa> :D
May 15 08:37:48 <Blou_Aap> not the license
May 15 08:37:52 <Blou_Aap> lol
May 15 08:37:57 <DallaRosa> glp'ed sleep
May 15 08:38:12 <Blou_Aap> :)
May 15 08:40:23 <t432> Blou_Aap: what was it?
May 15 08:46:18 <Blou_Aap> t432, I cannot pre-inflate a fragment for some reason on api 12
May 15 08:46:47 <Blou_Aap> I have to recreate it for the orientation, well more to it but something like that
May 15 09:01:21 * alankila hands stupidest poem award posthumously to speedyghost
May 15 09:13:01 <snuy> hi, what is needed to run the iptables command on my android phone?
May 15 09:15:20 <chrizc> is there any easy way to make a vanilla looking toast with centered text? I've tried google and they're all custom toasts
May 15 09:16:41 <Ge0rG> isn't toast centered by default?
May 15 09:16:47 <chrizc> the toast itself is
May 15 09:16:50 <chrizc> but the text is left aligned.
May 15 09:16:57 <chrizc> at least when there's two lines.
May 15 09:16:59 <Ge0rG> uh. what a pity.
May 15 09:17:11 <chrizc> so, um, I'd like to center align the text.
May 15 09:17:17 <chrizc> you know, professional looking apps and whatnot.
May 15 09:17:58 <Ge0rG> yeah, the devil is in the details
May 15 09:19:04 <chrizc> I've tried using t.setView() on a TextView with gravity.center, but there's no background to the toast.
May 15 09:19:13 <readme> chrizc: Toast.makeText(...).getView().setGravity();
May 15 09:19:30 <readme> of course, you'll need to save references to it
May 15 09:19:35 <readme> those aren't chained methods.
May 15 09:21:51 <chrizc> readme; .getView() returns a LinearLayout, which has no .setGravity()
May 15 09:22:31 <chrizc> Well, it returns a View, but when I tried to cast to TextView I got a CCE.
May 15 09:23:08 <readme> hm
May 15 09:23:18 <readme> lets see what kind of view it actually has.
May 15 09:23:37 <chrizc> readme; disregard, cast to LinearLayout, then .setGravity(Gravity.CENTER_HORIZONTAL), and it moved the toast slightly up, and the text was still left aligned.
May 15 09:24:05 <readme> probably cause the width of the view isn't taking up the whole toast
May 15 09:24:17 <readme> try setting the layout_width to fill_parent
May 15 09:24:19 <readme> setLayoutParams
May 15 09:24:24 <thepoosh> Hi all, is there a way to know if an ImageView has an image attached to it?
May 15 09:24:47 <thepoosh> I have an image and i'm setting the image from the web
May 15 09:24:53 <readme> there must be a textview in there somewhere, too
May 15 09:24:59 <thepoosh> and I need to know if it's set or not
May 15 09:26:32 <readme>         View v = inflate.inflate(com.android.internal.R.layout.transient_notification, null);
May 15 09:26:36 <readme> bingo
May 15 09:26:47 <chrizc> ooh.
May 15 09:27:41 <readme> TextView text = getView().findViewById(android.R.id.message);
May 15 09:27:56 <chrizc> ah.
May 15 09:28:00 <readme> text.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER_HORIZONTAL);
May 15 09:28:17 <readme> text.setLayoutParams(layout_width = fill_parent)
May 15 09:28:19 <readme> should do it.
May 15 09:28:52 <readme> http://pastie.org/3914241
May 15 09:29:10 <chrizc> readme; .setLayoutParams wasn't needed
May 15 09:29:13 <chrizc> but the rest did the trick
May 15 09:29:25 <readme> cool
May 15 09:29:41 <chrizc> http://pastie.org/3914248 <- that's how it all wound up
May 15 09:33:33 <readme> should create a static factory for it now
May 15 09:34:08 <chrizc> hm?
May 15 09:34:15 <chrizc> ohh.
May 15 09:34:19 <readme> take that code and stick it somewhere :)
May 15 09:34:27 <readme> like, ToastHelper
May 15 09:34:41 <chrizc> Yarr.
May 15 09:34:49 <pragma-> "take that X and stick it somewhere" usually means something different
May 15 09:44:32 <lab> can anyone give me any clues to a rendering issue I am having with GridView, been at it 3 days with same results :S List Selector paints over other cells, cells initially had a view which was wrap content but I have since made them specified height and width based on reading
May 15 09:45:13 <lab> When I scroll through the grid with a trackball/keyboard eventually it stops painting some elements
May 15 09:45:14 <m1hael> hi, i want to display a list of items. i want to add the items in blocks to the list. at the bottom of the list should be a button "show more". how would i do that?
May 15 09:46:26 <lab> m1hael: you could make the adapter report 1 more in count
May 15 09:46:46 <lab> and when last element requested by view return your custom Show More view
May 15 09:48:18 <m1hael> lab: but doesn't listview only supports listadapter and listadapter only supports one kind of entry!?
May 15 09:48:49 <lab> you have to extend an adapter
May 15 09:48:55 <lab> so you will have a custom adapter
May 15 09:50:29 <lab> m1hael: http://jnastase.alner.net/archive/2010/12/19/custom-android-listadapter.aspx
May 15 09:50:31 <m1hael> lab: oh. sounds like much work
May 15 09:50:47 <JoeTheGuest> m1hael make a class and extend BaseAdapter
May 15 09:50:47 <lab> it's very small amount of work
May 15 09:50:58 <JoeTheGuest> Eclipse will automatically put in most of the override stuff for you.
May 15 09:51:01 <m1hael> lab: just looking at the article. thanx
May 15 10:04:48 <lab> nobody seen abnormal painting issues with GridView?
May 15 10:05:06 <lab> Android 2.3.3
May 15 10:05:27 <Zharf> wheee
May 15 10:05:33 <Zharf> xmms2d now plays music on android \o/
May 15 10:06:00 * Zharf happy
May 15 10:09:18 <storkme> idk what that is
May 15 10:09:36 <Zharf> what what is
May 15 10:09:59 <Ge0rG> that
May 15 10:10:06 <Zharf> http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page  that?
May 15 10:15:31 <tapas> is it normal, that an SSL handshake takes a few seconds on android?
May 15 10:37:10 <betim> hi, I have a service that needs to make an http request when onPositionChanged is triggered, but given that this cannot be executed from main thread, and I don't want to create a new thread every time it gets triggered, what would be the proper way to do this?
May 15 10:38:37 <alankila> betim: AsyncTask.
May 15 10:44:33 <g00s> hmm, interesting http://www.apress.com/9781430242482
May 15 10:44:43 <g00s> i wonder if JesusFreke wrote it :|
May 15 10:46:01 <Ge0rG> not exactly cheap...
May 15 10:46:25 <Ge0rG> "How to download an Android app and decompile it into its original Java source and HTML5 and CSS code"
May 15 10:46:36 <Ge0rG> yeah, right. my app's HTML5 and CSS code.
May 15 10:54:44 * hackkitten waves at g00s o/
May 15 10:55:16 <g00s> hi hackkitten :) siri said the lumia 900 was the best phone, and what it says is trueright ? :D
May 15 10:55:46 <Leeds> apparently someone had a stiff word with siri and she doesn't say that now
May 15 10:57:22 <hackkitten> g00s > yup, the Lumia 900 is a nice phone indeed :3
May 15 10:57:28 <hackkitten> far better than those silly iPhones
May 15 10:57:39 <g00s> :)
May 15 10:57:50 <hackkitten> Leeds > threats of removing Siri's memory modules?
May 15 10:58:09 <Leeds> I'm sorry, Steve, I can't do that
May 15 10:58:18 <hackkitten> :D
May 15 10:58:28 * hackkitten giggles~
May 15 10:58:40 * g00s sticks hackkitten 's tail in siri's memory port
May 15 10:58:48 * hackkitten hacks into Siri
May 15 10:59:04 * hackkitten starts the Kittehnet revolution~
May 15 10:59:23 * g00s remembers the scenes in stars wars where r2d2 accessed the deathstar through its port
May 15 11:01:08 <MattCatt> I had to cover my eyes for that. Too hot to handle.
May 15 11:02:43 <g00s> :|
May 15 11:29:45 <chrizc> I'm trying to create a file in my app's cache directory (getCacheDir()), but it doesn't seem to be creating the file as I can't find it on the file system. or are they hidden files?
May 15 11:34:41 <chrizc> also, no exceptions thrown when I write to the file, or use .createNewFile()... it just doesn't appear.
May 15 11:39:54 <Android03> hi guys, i am creating an app where i have a button.On clicking the button i need to show one dialog saying " you have not confirmed the link in your mail ".The dialog has a button ( check mail ),on clicking the button i want to open a dialog having list of email apps and when user chooses one out the list ,it has to direct him to inbox.How can i do this?
May 15 11:41:17 <storkme> interesting fact.. the unix timestamp at the moment starts with 1337 and will continue to do so for the next 11 days.. make the msot ofi t
May 15 11:42:44 <cesarbastos> mapas offiline, alguem ja conseguiu?
May 15 11:42:47 <miha> is there a document how to build .apk from command line?
May 15 11:42:57 <cesarbastos>   offiline maps, someone already got?
May 15 11:43:33 <jeppy> anyone familiar with xml shapes?
May 15 11:43:48 <jeppy> i want to draw a line at the bottom of a textview
May 15 11:44:06 <jeppy> but i don't see how to set where the line is drawn
May 15 11:46:23 <cesarbastos> JEPPY -   want to draw into the TextView?
May 15 11:46:40 <jeppy> yes, in xml
May 15 11:47:46 <jeppy> by default setting the textview's background to the shape (a line) draws that line vertically centered. I want it at the bottom.
May 15 11:48:15 <HDroid> jeppy: drawableBottom might do what you want
May 15 11:49:24 <jeppy> HDroid, looks promising
May 15 11:53:31 <thepoosh> Hi all
May 15 11:53:57 <thepoosh> is there a way to force one layout on top of another in a RelativeLayout?
May 15 11:54:22 <thepoosh> like having a popup image on top of a different view?
May 15 11:55:10 <HDroid> AFAIK, the order in which they're added decides the Z.
May 15 11:55:24 <thepoosh> appel1: any thoughts?
May 15 11:55:34 <thepoosh> you were much help yesterday
May 15 11:57:29 <tbellenger> I have a crazy memory leak that I need help finding the cause. It's when the phone detects a contactless card through the NFC interface. Logcat goes crazy with GC_CONCURRENT or GC_MALLOC and the app hangs. Prob if I wait long enough it kills everything I guess. How do I track down the cause
May 15 11:57:49 <miha> looking at http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/building/building-cmdline.html
May 15 11:57:56 <miha> but ant says no build.xml
May 15 11:58:56 <tbellenger> I'm using async task to read the contactless card and process
May 15 11:59:25 <tbellenger> and using commonsware guys way of linking and delinking with the activity to handle rotations
May 15 12:00:32 <mango-> miha, try "android update project -p ."
May 15 12:01:49 <miha> oh ok, thx
May 15 12:02:48 <thepoosh> any thoughts?
May 15 12:03:28 <appel1> thepoosh: z-order is determined by index of the child views in the parent view group
May 15 12:03:42 <appel1> thepoosh: but I see that HDroid already wrote that
May 15 12:03:45 <thepoosh> can I set it?
May 15 12:04:28 <thepoosh> btw, yesterday, I saved an array with all the activities for the app
May 15 12:04:29 <snuy> is there a way to run iptables on a device without requiring root?
May 15 12:04:33 <thepoosh> and closed them all
May 15 12:04:46 <miha> mango-: trying to automatically modify source and build custom apk :)
May 15 12:05:01 <thepoosh> for (Activity a : Globals.activities)
May 15 12:05:05 <thepoosh> a.finish();
May 15 12:05:05 <miha> so i guess  http://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html is next
May 15 12:05:17 <jaami> do i need to look into how animation is done if i want to show playing cards on screen?
May 15 12:05:43 <jaami> i have 13 cards to show
May 15 12:05:47 <appel1> thepoosh: not sure how well bringToFront and friends work with relative layout. If nothing else you can control the order in which you add the child views
May 15 12:06:17 <thepoosh> appel1: but there's a View.setZindex() ?
May 15 12:06:31 <HDroid> jaami: if you.. want to animate them :P
May 15 12:08:03 <jaami> MDroid: just want to place them in 2,3 lines , ltaer will animate whn user touch any card
May 15 12:08:20 <appel1> thepoosh: there is?
May 15 12:08:35 <thepoosh> no but there is a View.bringToFront()
May 15 12:08:40 <thepoosh> testing it now
May 15 12:08:41 <ashley_w> trying to use SdkController Multitouch. there's usually just a blank screen on my phone other than "Waiting for connection", but i did get it to show updates of the emulator screen once. but not touch response in the emulator. help.
May 15 12:09:00 <thepoosh> appel1: worked perfectly!!!
May 15 12:09:07 <appel1> thepoosh: great
May 15 12:09:12 <thepoosh> yep
May 15 12:10:31 <jaami> is is possible to make a game without looking into how animation is done in Android. asking because i no nothing about animation and its first time i will be working on it. just want to avoid wasting time if there is other option. not sure what will be the right way
May 15 12:12:01 <jaami> lets make the question real simple. is it possible to make a cards game in android without expolring animation libraries?
May 15 12:12:10 <thepoosh> jaami: there are many types of games, not all of them need more than the simplest animations
May 15 12:12:24 <thepoosh> jaami: yes, but it'll suck
May 15 12:12:48 <agu10^> /msg nickserv identify iloveapple123
May 15 12:12:59 <jaami> so, there is animation the right way to go.
May 15 12:13:43 <thepoosh> try looking at thenewbostons tutorial video on animation
May 15 12:13:57 <thepoosh> they hae some stuff that will help with card games
May 15 12:14:03 <jaami> oh yeh, i have 150 vids of him already
May 15 12:14:04 <miha> jaami: if you are satistified with 2D, https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/custom-components.html might do, for rest http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/opengl.html ?
May 15 12:14:28 <jaami> also marakana is good but havent found any animation related vid of marakana
May 15 12:15:09 <thepoosh> jaami: he has the video about surfaceView it has the basics for a card game
May 15 12:15:18 <thepoosh> dragging images from place to place
May 15 12:15:35 <jaami> miha: Thanks for the link. i really dont want to read books. watching vids is much easier and save a lot of time
May 15 12:15:46 <Zharf> hardly
May 15 12:15:55 <miha> jaami: oh sorry. i rarely watch videos. want to copypaste sample code :D
May 15 12:16:03 <PowerInside> guys.. where should I place the code for options menu? I am getting errors like Menu cannot be resolved to type etc
May 15 12:16:12 <jaami> thepoosh: i will check that in 5 minutes.
May 15 12:16:20 <thepoosh> cool
May 15 12:18:01 <jaami> thepoosh: may i ask how long have you been in android development? and if you like to tell me what kind of app you like to develope?
May 15 12:18:17 <thepoosh> I'm kinda new to this
May 15 12:18:36 <thepoosh> been working natively for about two and a half months
May 15 12:19:21 <jaami> it was big question for me , where to start (what kind of development do i like)
May 15 12:20:22 <thepoosh> I'm not sure that games are the right place to start at
May 15 12:21:19 <jaami> thepoosh: right, i have the same feeling. but developing financial apps is not the answer either.
May 15 12:21:32 <thepoosh> ארט ךןכקדאטךק
May 15 12:21:35 <thepoosh> :S
May 15 12:21:37 <thepoosh> oops
May 15 12:21:42 <thepoosh> try lifestyle
May 15 12:21:53 <thepoosh> maybe an RSS feeder
May 15 12:22:02 <jaami> thepoosh: infact small screen is no good for entry forms
May 15 12:22:15 <thepoosh> what?!
May 15 12:22:19 <jaami> thepoosh: lifestyle? what is that?
May 15 12:22:29 <thepoosh> hmmm
May 15 12:22:57 <thepoosh> https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/LIFESTYLE
May 15 12:23:02 <thepoosh> jaami: ^
May 15 12:24:14 <m1hael> hi, i have read the article "Custom Android ListAdapter" from John Nastase and implemented a BaseAdapter on my own. The adapter is filled but somehow it doesn't work. No items are shown. How does the adapter notifies the view that new items have been added?
May 15 12:24:25 <jaami> thepoosh: for example registration form may include 10 fields and without scrolling there is no way to fill all of them. tablet may be good for financial apps
May 15 12:24:35 <m1hael> article: http://jnastase.alner.net/archive/2010/12/19/custom-android-listadapter.aspx
May 15 12:24:36 <jaami> thepoosh: im checking lifestyle
May 15 12:26:11 <hrnt> m1hael: you do it by calling .notifyDataSetChanged() or (Invalidated)
May 15 12:26:24 <jaami> thepoosh: is there a sample programe based on just intents?
May 15 12:26:38 <thepoosh> איקרק ןד מם דובי איןמע
May 15 12:26:43 <thepoosh> there is no such thing
May 15 12:26:47 <tbellenger> anyone point me in the direction of a site where I can post a logcat and then link on here?
May 15 12:26:50 <m1hael> hrnt: thanx
May 15 12:26:53 <tbellenger> is linking allowed?
May 15 12:27:01 <thepoosh> Intents are the way to communicate between Activities
May 15 12:27:14 <wongk_> tbellenger: pastebin.com
May 15 12:28:04 <jaami> thepoosh: yeh, you can use intents to use existing activities instead of creating them from scratch
May 15 12:28:29 <thepoosh> i think you're not understanding what intent means
May 15 12:29:34 <jaami> thepoosh: hmm, may be i am not understanding actual purpose of intents. for example i need a dialer and i just use intent and invoke the activity
May 15 12:30:00 <wongk> that activity is in another process
May 15 12:30:02 <tbellenger> thanks wongk_
May 15 12:30:32 <wongk> once you've invoked the dialer, you're out of the picture until the user comes back to your app
May 15 12:30:41 <tbellenger> here is the memory leak I was talking about. Something around line 25 or 26 I guess. Can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/QefJbqMk
May 15 12:31:42 <mikedg> scared myself :/
May 15 12:31:54 <wongk> boo!!
May 15 12:32:03 <jeppy> tbellenger, you're probably keeping a reference to a context
May 15 12:32:36 <mikedg> vnc'ed into a laptop at home
May 15 12:32:36 <mikedg> and accidentally clicked facetime
May 15 12:32:36 <mikedg> then saw weird metal bars
May 15 12:32:36 <mikedg> and then realized this was a laptop in my a/v room of my basement
May 15 12:32:36 <mikedg> :|
May 15 12:32:37 <Number5> Hello guys, I have a function for writing logging messages on the screen. I add a timestamp to it, I do that by making a new Time object everytime and call .setToNow(). But I don't think it's a clean way to create a Time object each time I have to log. What do you think?
May 15 12:33:20 <chrizc> I'm trying to create a file in my app's cache directory (getCacheDir()), but it doesn't seem to be creating the file as I can't find it on the file system. or are they hidden files?
May 15 12:33:31 <jaami> wongk: and thats the case with all activities, only one stay current does not matter if i use existing or made my own. plz correct me if im wrong
May 15 12:33:43 <wongk> you are wrong
May 15 12:34:21 <wongk> there's a very big difference between an activity you created that lives in your process and sending a broadcast intent and hoping another process handles it
May 15 12:34:37 <Number5> chrizc, did added permission to access filesystem in AndroidManifest.xml
May 15 12:34:48 <chrizc> oh.
May 15 12:34:49 <chrizc> derp
May 15 12:34:50 <Number5> did you ?
May 15 12:34:55 <tbellenger> jeppy: yeah I guess. Do you know any way to track down where this might be? I'm guessing I've done the asynctask wrong by holding a reference to the activity that launched it
May 15 12:35:27 <jeppy> tbellenger, that is a problem
May 15 12:35:30 <SimonVT> There's no permission for accessing internal storage
May 15 12:36:03 <tbellenger> but without that I can't handle configuration changes. I was trying to follow the commonsware model where he links and unlinks to the asynctask
May 15 12:36:06 <wongk> jaami: there's also not some "repository" of activities for you to repurpose w/o having to create your own
May 15 12:36:33 <chrizc> Number5 which permission is that?
May 15 12:36:53 <Number5> SimonVT, really? Ok, as you're the most experienced here.
May 15 12:37:10 <SimonVT> Only for external
May 15 12:37:12 <Number5> chrizc, check out android manifest and permission
May 15 12:37:15 <jeppy> tbellenger, when the configuration changes, your activity (and context) are leaking
May 15 12:37:24 <Number5> SimonVT, thnx, now I also know it :P
May 15 12:37:28 <chrizc> Number5 but as SimonVT just said... there's no permission for it
May 15 12:37:31 <chrizc> so why isn't it doing anything?
May 15 12:38:00 <SimonVT> Are you root, and where are you looking?
May 15 12:38:08 <jaami> wongk: just thinking if a created service work more like a sofisticated app by using just intents.
May 15 12:38:16 <chrizc> http://pastie.org/private/k7um4kqrnilm0xtqviza <- that doesn't do anything
May 15 12:38:40 <jeppy> tbellenger, a workaround could be to save the data to persistent storage in the asynctask and retrieve it
May 15 12:39:12 <jaami> wongk: also i know that activities return data back to where intent was fired from
May 15 12:39:30 <wongk> jaami: they can, that doesn't theay always do
May 15 12:40:09 <chrizc> SimonVT; I'm using ADT's File Explorer, and looking in /data/data/<my package>
May 15 12:40:14 <tbellenger> I only want the activity in the async task so that I can still access it to do the onProgressUpdate stuff
May 15 12:40:26 <SimonVT> On the emulator?
May 15 12:40:37 <chrizc> SimonVT; on my phone, which I'm using remote debugging on.
May 15 12:40:51 <tbellenger> but I think I'm on the right direction now. Never seen a memory leak like that though.
May 15 12:40:55 <SimonVT> So it's rooted
May 15 12:41:05 <chrizc> nope?
May 15 12:41:06 <tbellenger> jeppy: thanks for the pointer
May 15 12:41:38 <SimonVT> Can you see any files at all in data/ ?
May 15 12:41:42 <chrizc> yes
May 15 12:41:57 <chrizc> I see my shared prefs.
May 15 12:42:04 <Number5> tbellenger, you want the activity in an async task??
May 15 12:42:07 <SimonVT> Strange, that should be private
May 15 12:42:21 <SimonVT> Anyway, double check the path
May 15 12:42:32 <SimonVT> And why don't you just try and read the file from your app
May 15 12:42:53 <chrizc> /data/data/uk.co.chrizc.android/shared_prefs/
May 15 12:42:56 <chrizc> I can see that
May 15 12:43:00 <chrizc> but I can't see
May 15 12:43:07 <chrizc> /data/data/uk.co.chrizc.android/cache/myfile.dat
May 15 12:43:24 <SimonVT> Can you see your prefs file in shared_prefs
May 15 12:43:30 <chrizc> yes
May 15 12:43:32 <tbellenger> Number5: yeah - something like this https://github.com/commonsguy/cw-android/tree/master/Rotation/RotationAsync/ to handle configuration changes
May 15 12:43:39 <SimonVT> Well, anyway.. Try reading it from your app
May 15 12:43:41 <MaaaZ> hey guys, when a feature from a malware is "Check the phone's current state.", which states are meant ? Like "CALL_STATE_IDLE", "CALL_STATE_RINGING" etc. ?
May 15 12:43:49 <SimonVT> Unless you're rooted, those files should be private
May 15 12:44:00 <chrizc> oh wait, hang on. the file explorer was for my emulator, not my device
May 15 12:44:01 <chrizc> >_<
May 15 12:48:16 <tapas> if an activity starts another activity and calls finish() immediately
May 15 12:48:31 <tapas> is the former still on the stack below the latter?
May 15 12:49:06 <SimonVT> no
May 15 13:13:56 <CVirus> What is the proper way to build a matrix ? graphics.matrix or float[] ?
May 15 13:14:24 <canadiancow|work> take the red pill
May 15 13:14:26 <canadiancow|work> or the blue one
May 15 13:14:28 <canadiancow|work> i can never remember
May 15 13:14:51 <CVirus> canadiancow|work: lol
May 15 13:17:00 <Donpedro> hello
May 15 13:17:13 <Donpedro> do i need permission to write to the internal storage?
May 15 13:17:32 <UnbertKant> hey there!
May 15 13:18:01 <UnbertKant> If I try findViewById in onStart, but it returns null, what can I do?
May 15 13:18:25 <Leeds> UnbertKant: don't call it until you've setContentView
May 15 13:19:42 <UnbertKant> D'oh, somebody changed the activity names, I was trying this in the wrong onStart.
May 15 13:19:44 <UnbertKant> Never mind.
May 15 13:20:15 <canadiancow|work> Donpedro, no, you dont
May 15 13:20:26 <canadiancow|work> UnbertKant, why would you do it in onStart anyway?
May 15 13:20:43 <canadiancow|work> do it in oncreate right after you inflate the layout, and save a reference to the view if you need it again
May 15 13:21:34 <UnbertKant> Yes, I actually meant that. It's in onCreate of the right activity now and it works.
May 15 13:21:45 <UnbertKant> Guess my brain is broken today.
May 15 13:22:41 <Donpedro> hmm, i have an SQLite database located in the following path: "/data/data/hu.pedro.m3/databases/m3_db"
May 15 13:22:56 <Donpedro> using the adb shell, i can access it, run queries, etc.
May 15 13:23:31 <Donpedro> but when i try to open it in the code, i get this exception:  E/Database(279): sqlite3_open_v2("/data/data/hu.pedro.m3/databases/m3_db", &handle, 1, NULL) failed
May 15 13:26:25 <Donpedro> if the file itself does not have a .db extension, that can't be a problem, right?
May 15 13:34:34 <Hanan> i would like to know what is the default android filesystem setup is, (for example i would like to know whare is the contacts file/s supposed to be by default), is anybody know ?
May 15 13:34:56 <monsti> you can't access them on non rooted phones
May 15 13:36:02 <Hanan> monsti: probably i can access the content of them through the API, isn't an idea to copy the content of them through the API to a new file ?
May 15 13:36:19 <monsti> you can access them via content provider
May 15 13:36:36 <monsti> for the contacts there is a nice example in the API demos
May 15 13:37:14 <Leeds> also, don't announce that you intend to copy the user's contents to your own file...
May 15 13:37:24 <monsti> :)
May 15 13:37:30 <Hanan> Leeds: Backup
May 15 13:37:56 <Leeds> not much of a backup copying to a local file
May 15 13:38:30 <Hanan> Leeds:  then sends the local file to a server somewere
May 15 13:38:48 <Hanan> :-P
May 15 13:39:06 <Leeds> if you insist :)
May 15 13:39:29 <Hanan> Leeds: monsti: THX
May 15 13:44:35 <mikedg> https://plus.google.com/116031914637788986927/posts/gywBUe8JK8g
May 15 13:54:06 <wongk> mikedg: 12
May 15 13:58:16 <mikedg> wongk it was 1337
May 15 13:58:26 <wongk> drat!
May 15 13:59:41 * monsti is 1337, too
May 15 14:00:42 <Ge0rG> wow. I'm only 34.
May 15 14:01:27 <storkme> the unix timestamp will start with 1337 for the next 11 days
May 15 14:01:31 <storkme> make the most of it people
May 15 14:01:44 <miha> storkme: seriously?
May 15 14:02:13 <Ge0rG> it is already 1337 for me.
May 15 14:02:41 <Ge0rG> ah... I still remember our billennium party... me and one other nerd, sitting together in the basement in the middle of the night...
May 15 14:03:20 <storkme> seriously
May 15 14:03:29 * Ge0rG is always serious.
May 15 14:03:55 <Ge0rG> billennium was a big event! the next one of that magnitude only expected in 2038...
May 15 14:04:15 <Jug6ernaut> surely you can't be serious
May 15 14:04:58 <Ge0rG> Jug6ernaut: in a time without prevalent digital cameras, smartphones, facebook and twitter, how can I prove?
May 15 14:05:16 <Jug6ernaut> Ge0rG
May 15 14:05:17 <Jug6ernaut> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CHsQtwIwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0A5t5_O8hdA&ei=VGKyT6_1Lery2QW73-HpCA&usg=AFQjCNFrYw1oDtxCPIbHsf1QAN6NizwxyA&sig2=9OLd6k4Csi_fX9IsKd3sLQ
May 15 14:06:16 <Ge0rG> "At 01:46:40 UTC on 9 September 2001, the Unix billennium (Unix time number 1,000,000,000) was celebrated." - its even on wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
May 15 14:07:19 <p_l> good thing time_t is 64bit :)
May 15 14:07:22 <Ge0rG> "At 13:37:04 UTC on 10 January 2004, the Unix time number reached 230", damn; missed that one
May 15 14:07:27 <miha> 9/9, 9/11.. it all makes sense now
May 15 14:07:33 <Ge0rG> p_l: there are always legacy systems
May 15 14:07:40 <p_l> Ge0rG: not enough of them
May 15 14:07:52 <Ge0rG> p_l: enough for making a fortune in IT consulting
May 15 14:07:56 <p_l> Ge0rG: nope
May 15 14:08:02 <Jug6ernaut> is the Unix billennium like y2k xD
May 15 14:08:15 <Ge0rG> Jug6ernaut: yeah, y2k for nerds :)
May 15 14:08:19 <Jug6ernaut> hehe
May 15 14:08:34 <p_l> Ge0rG: the fortune involved with Y2K was at least partially due to scaremongering, partially due to the fact that people with necessary skills are rare
May 15 14:08:44 <p_l> and most of it was modifying databases
May 15 14:08:51 * Ge0rG already sees his business card punshline: "Fixing Y2K38 bugs since 2002"
May 15 14:09:19 <p_l> these days you don't get such big problems because databases changed
May 15 14:12:00 <miha> so when does System.currentTimeMillis() ..long .. expire? :)
May 15 14:13:04 <miha> 2038? later?
May 15 14:13:09 <Ge0rG> miha: probably, the unix timestamp will not be used any more at that time.
May 15 14:13:18 <canadiancow|work> what are some really well design android tablet apps?
May 15 14:13:36 <Ge0rG> "At 15:30:08 UTC on Sun, 4 December 292,277,026,596[15][16] 64-bit versions of the Unix time stamp will cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 64-bit number."
May 15 14:13:37 <p_l> miha: sometime long past the use of binary computers, I suspect
May 15 14:13:57 <miha> Ge0rG: thx :D
May 15 14:13:59 <Ge0rG> canadiancow|work: I'm looking for them too
May 15 14:14:22 <mcescher> miha:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2978452/when-will-system-currenttimemillis-overflow
May 15 14:14:51 <miha> mcescher: thx
May 15 14:29:58 <canadiancow|work> anyone have a link to that post where a guy talked about the design decisions in the tablet version of the market?
May 15 14:31:09 <mikedg> http://127.0.0.1/null.html
May 15 14:34:31 <olie> hello
May 15 14:37:41 <wongk> mikedg: i get a 404 when i visit that page. help!
May 15 14:44:02 <UnbertKant> how to create a drawable from a java awt color?
May 15 14:51:44 <evancharlton> canadiancow|work: http://www.pushing-pixels.org/ <-- he's got a bunch of posts on the design of market/play store
May 15 14:52:14 <canadiancow|work> thats it :)
May 15 14:53:37 <evancharlton> IIRC, he's giving a talk at AnDevCon today
May 15 14:58:19 <canadiancow|work> grr ctate needs to come on irc
May 15 14:59:09 <mikedg> ctate is here with me
May 15 14:59:16 <Jug6ernaut> :o
May 15 14:59:16 <mikedg> i kidnapped him
May 15 14:59:27 <mikedg> he's in my suitcase
May 15 15:00:19 <miha> hi ctate!
May 15 15:04:14 <luxurymode> which Intent flag should I use if I essentially want to wipe the stack and have the newly started activity be the only activity in the stack?
May 15 15:09:56 <evancharlton> luxurymode: CLEAR_*
May 15 15:10:15 <luxurymode> clear_task?
May 15 15:10:29 <luxurymode> also nothing like that pre 11
May 15 15:11:44 <evancharlton> maybe new_task
May 15 15:11:48 <luxurymode> i guess clear_top works since the activity wont be in the stack so the others will just all be closed
May 15 15:18:22 <luxurymode> evancharlton, hmm yeah gonna try that. no dice with clear_top
May 15 15:26:28 <miha> http://www.rtvslo.si/znanost-in-tehnologija/lani-v-sloveniji-za-51-milijonov-evrov-piratsko-pridobljene-programske-opreme/283143
May 15 15:26:46 <miha> oops :( sorry
May 15 15:33:13 <Hanan> am i need to implement onResume() and onPause() methods on every activity of my app ? (since there is a chance that at each activity the user click the Home button)
May 15 15:33:20 <vorwaerts> is anyone here who is familiar with AsyncTask and has time to expain it in detail?
May 15 15:33:55 <canadiancow|work> no Hanan....what?
May 15 15:34:02 <canadiancow|work> i dont even know what you're talking about
May 15 15:34:17 <PeteS> so view inside of a relative layout with alignParentBottom=true -- is it the intended behavior that marginBottom does absolutely nothing?
May 15 15:34:25 <wongk> Hanan: that depends, do you have a reason to implement them on every activity
May 15 15:34:40 <miha> Hanan: activity usually just gets into background when you switch using home key
May 15 15:37:48 <theneb> Does In-App billing work if a user has pirated an app?
May 15 15:39:11 <canadiancow|work> theneb, define "pirated"
May 15 15:39:19 <canadiancow|work> IAB requires it to be signed properly
May 15 15:40:39 <theneb> canadiancow|work: If a user has installed the APK from another source than downloading through Google Play
May 15 15:40:49 <theneb> Ie when market_licensing will fail as NOT_LICENSED
May 15 15:41:30 <canadiancow|work> yes it will
May 15 15:41:33 <canadiancow|work> how else would you test IAB
May 15 15:41:49 <theneb> Cool, good to know
May 15 15:56:20 <chrizc> If I have an Activity, which holds a fragment (swapped by actionbar tabs), and I press a button on the action bar, how to I run a specific method inside the current active fragment?
May 15 15:57:17 <chrizc> all possible Fragments implement the same interface, and I'd want to run a specific method which isn't defined in Fragment, but is defined in my interface.
May 15 15:57:44 <EvilPenguin> there now i have stupid tablet support.
May 15 15:58:40 <Zider> what about smart tablets?
May 15 15:59:06 <EvilPenguin> it supports any screen size :)
May 15 15:59:10 <EvilPenguin> good old math :)
May 15 15:59:16 <Zider> ah. :)
May 15 15:59:43 <EvilPenguin> any screen size at any orientation :) gigity
May 15 15:59:51 <Zider> ugh, I hate screen sizes right now.. trying to make a web page look good on both phone and tablet..
May 15 16:00:12 <Zider> I wish I knew java better so I could make a proper app
May 15 16:00:38 <Leeds> Zider: it's not a particularly complicated language
May 15 16:01:27 <Zider> Leeds: well I'm stuck in php thinking :/
May 15 16:01:28 <EvilPenguin> Zider: just keep playing with it :)
May 15 16:01:42 <EvilPenguin> Zider: lol be greatful you dont do objective-c
May 15 16:01:51 <Zider> EvilPenguin: is that bad?
May 15 16:02:36 <EvilPenguin> Zider: well a big difference is memory management. Could you handle your own heap?
May 15 16:02:50 <Zider> EvilPenguin: if I knew what that was.. uh.. no.
May 15 16:02:53 <Zider> :P
May 15 16:02:56 <EvilPenguin> :P
May 15 16:02:57 <EvilPenguin> exactly.
May 15 16:03:10 <Zider> I have heaps of ideas, but I doubt that's relevant ;)
May 15 16:03:20 <wongk> chrizc: looks like you'd get the current fragment from the PagerAdapter and cast it to your interface
May 15 16:03:20 <EvilPenguin> heap and stack for memory allocations.
May 15 16:03:37 <chrizc> wongk yep, managed to get it, but I'm not using a Pager?
May 15 16:03:41 <chrizc> s/?/.
May 15 16:03:46 <Zider> EvilPenguin: I thought memory allocations were something you only needed to do in asm
May 15 16:03:47 <wongk> chrizc: you're not using ViewPager?
May 15 16:03:51 <chrizc> no.
May 15 16:03:55 <EvilPenguin> Zider: lol no....
May 15 16:04:05 <Zider> or maybe rather, I was HOPING so. :)
May 15 16:04:06 <wongk> chrizc: what are you using for tabs?
May 15 16:04:06 <chrizc> my thoughts on ViewPager are quite well known
May 15 16:04:12 <chrizc> mostly to the effect of "fuuuuuck viewpager."
May 15 16:04:20 <chrizc> wongk; ActionBar tabs, like I said in my question.
May 15 16:04:42 <EvilPenguin> Zider: java deals with memory, you just have a garbage collector :)
May 15 16:04:52 <EvilPenguin> (meaning you dont need to handle your objects)
May 15 16:05:11 <chrizc> oh god objective-c
May 15 16:05:18 <EvilPenguin> or c or c++ :)
May 15 16:05:22 <chrizc> the amount of times I've forgot to bin an object
May 15 16:05:24 <chrizc> ):
May 15 16:05:42 <EvilPenguin> i <3 objc/++
May 15 16:11:53 <vorwaerts> if I have a public class test that extends AsyncTask<String, Integer, String> and the doInBackground method, I start the aysnctask with test().execute();
May 15 16:12:30 <vorwaerts> i have 2 questions - 1st if I start it with test.execute("my string"); how can i get the "my string" in the doInBackground method?
May 15 16:13:14 <vorwaerts> and if my doInBackground method returns String output; how can i get the output after calling test().execute("my string");
May 15 16:13:17 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: it's passed in as a parameter ...
May 15 16:13:31 <vorwaerts> evancharlton and how is the parameter called by default?
May 15 16:13:35 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: you get the output in onPostExecute; override as necessary
May 15 16:13:49 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: I don't know; look at your method signature
May 15 16:14:24 <vorwaerts> do i have to type: AsyncTask<String input, Integer, String output* ?>
May 15 16:14:37 <snuy> where is android's dns cache stored?
May 15 16:14:50 <vorwaerts> so id have input in doInBackground?
May 15 16:15:12 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: what? no?
May 15 16:15:27 <vorwaerts> yes i see its wrong
May 15 16:15:33 <evancharlton> very
May 15 16:15:59 <vorwaerts> ...extends AsyncTask<String, Integer, String> - first String is the input - last String is the output right?
May 15 16:16:14 <evancharlton> those are the types of the outputs, yes...
May 15 16:16:24 <vorwaerts> both?
May 15 16:16:27 <evancharlton> they're not the inputs or outputs themselves, though
May 15 16:16:40 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: I suspect you need to go learn java 101
May 15 16:17:07 <vorwaerts> 1st params, 2nd progress, 3rd result
May 15 16:17:28 <EvilPenguin> lol.
May 15 16:17:33 <vorwaerts> Params, the type of the parameters sent to the task upon execution.
May 15 16:17:37 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: ... they're just types.
May 15 16:17:53 <vorwaerts> yes
May 15 16:18:20 <vorwaerts> so i have type String so i call test().execute("String here");
May 15 16:18:28 <EvilPenguin> right
May 15 16:18:45 <vorwaerts> and this "String here" goes to the doInBackground method
May 15 16:18:53 <evancharlton> yes
May 15 16:19:02 <EvilPenguin> right
May 15 16:19:03 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: you really need programming 101
May 15 16:19:05 <vorwaerts> and how can i use it there?
May 15 16:19:11 <evancharlton> maybe computers 101
May 15 16:19:22 <vorwaerts> e.g. textview.setText("STRING HERE");
May 15 16:19:23 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: String url = params[0];
May 15 16:19:27 <vorwaerts> ah!!
May 15 16:19:34 <EvilPenguin> it's any array passed in
May 15 16:19:47 <EvilPenguin> doInBackground(String.... params) { }
May 15 16:20:20 <vorwaerts> i see
May 15 16:20:22 <vorwaerts> thank you
May 15 16:20:42 <EvilPenguin> :)
May 15 16:21:23 <vorwaerts> doInBackground is normaly void everytime, right?
May 15 16:21:36 <evancharlton> what?
May 15 16:21:52 <evancharlton> that question doesn't make sense
May 15 16:22:05 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: it's return type is void yes.
May 15 16:22:09 <EvilPenguin> wait no
May 15 16:22:12 <vorwaerts> type void
May 15 16:22:13 <EvilPenguin> is your AsynTask type a string?
May 15 16:22:14 <evancharlton> no it's not
May 15 16:22:27 <EvilPenguin> protected String doInBackground(String... params) { }
May 15 16:22:38 <EvilPenguin>  AsyncTask<String, Void, String>
May 15 16:22:59 <EvilPenguin>  AsyncTask<String, Void, Bitmap> would be protected Bitmap doInBackground(String... params) { }
May 15 16:24:27 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: i have the weirdest feeling you haven
May 15 16:24:31 <EvilPenguin> 't read this: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
May 15 16:24:39 <vorwaerts> im about to read it
May 15 16:24:41 <EvilPenguin> maybe you should read it clearly before asking questions...
May 15 16:24:45 <EvilPenguin> :)
May 15 16:24:54 <EvilPenguin> because every question you have is answered with great detail in that doc :)
May 15 16:25:05 * EvilPenguin <3s API docs
May 15 16:25:37 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: if you dont like AsyncTask you could make a Thread with Handlers :)
May 15 16:25:44 <EvilPenguin> (harder way, but more control over your threads)
May 15 16:25:49 <vorwaerts> AsyncTasky<String, Void, String> if the doinbackground returns some string for example... how can i use this string in the onpostexecute method?
May 15 16:26:06 <vorwaerts> better not ^^
May 15 16:26:20 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: your doInBackground returns to the onPostRexecute...
May 15 16:26:42 <EvilPenguin> String doInBackground() { } would hav a void onPostExecute(String result) { }
May 15 16:26:59 <vorwaerts> so if i return string; i can use string in onPostExecute directly?
May 15 16:27:00 <EvilPenguin> onPostExecute gets the return of the doInBackground :/
May 15 16:27:52 <EvilPenguin> its like { void *something = doInBackground(string); onPostExecute(something); }
May 15 16:28:06 <EvilPenguin> that's not the code, but a simple example.
May 15 16:28:52 <dschuett> I finally got actionbarsherlock working with my app. Now I have been reading on Google on how to set onClickListeners to each of the menu items. Since they aren't referenced in an xml file how do you accomplish this? I would like the refresh menuItem to execute FeedTask() and the Add Post menuItem to start a different activity http://pastebin.com/uZrSg2H9
May 15 16:29:28 <doogan> have your Activity implement OnMenuItemSelectedListener
May 15 16:29:36 <doogan> then override onMenuItemSelected(int pos, MenuItem item)
May 15 16:29:58 <dschuett> doogan: what is the int pos?
May 15 16:30:58 <doogan> the position that was selected
May 15 16:31:03 <doogan> or you can do item.getItemId()
May 15 16:31:14 <doogan> or even item.getTitle().toString()
May 15 16:31:55 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin if i return a string output (return output;) there is no output in the onPostExecuteMethod
May 15 16:32:55 <vorwaerts> ah its result i see - now its clear
May 15 16:32:59 <dschuett> doogan, so how do the positions work? And as far as getting the id, do i then have to somehow add a reference/id to my xml file? or how does that work (sorry, i'm very much a newb)
May 15 16:34:34 <doogan> http://pastebin.com/vKcPNUEb
May 15 16:34:40 <doogan> can launch a new activity like that
May 15 16:36:01 <evancharlton> doogan: why not try it and see?
May 15 16:36:16 <doogan> what? i'm answering dschuett's question
May 15 16:36:31 <dschuett> doogan, how does it know what android.R.id.home is if it isn't referenced anywhere?
May 15 16:36:38 <doogan> that is static
May 15 16:36:48 <doogan> dschuett, have a look at the /demos project in ABS, should be helpful
May 15 16:37:27 <doogan> plenty of samples to give you ideas
May 15 16:38:43 <dschuett> doogan, yeah... that's what i've been looking at. I guess the only thing i don't understand is persay i have a menuItem how to i set an id to it? - like android.R.id.home (so i can reference that)
May 15 16:39:16 <mandric> hello, in the processing of debugging a possible configuration problem on a phone, I'd like to somehow extract the configuration of specific apps or even some android internals.  Is this possible? To say, get an xml file of configuration names and values for example? To verify someone has the same configuration I think they do?
May 15 16:40:10 <dragorn> mandric: not on a stock phone, no
May 15 16:40:19 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: lol man you need a basic run down of functions.
May 15 16:40:25 <dschuett> doogan, for example on line 35, how do i set an id to that? - http://pastebin.com/uZrSg2H9
May 15 16:40:26 <mandric> dragorn ok it would need to be rooted or something?
May 15 16:40:29 <dragorn> mandric: if you root it you can rip open an apps data directory and manually process out their settings
May 15 16:40:31 <wongk> mandric: it's probably best to just add logging to your own application
May 15 16:40:33 <vorwaerts> can i return 3 arrays from asynctask=
May 15 16:40:46 <EvilPenguin> you can return anything you want..
May 15 16:40:47 <mandric> wongk yea but these are other 3rd party apps
May 15 16:40:51 <dragorn> mandric: but otherwise, no, you can't read data that doesn't belong to you
May 15 16:40:57 <mandric> dragorn gotcha
May 15 16:41:08 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you just have to tell the template what you want as an input and output
May 15 16:41:08 <wongk> mandric: do they affect the behavior of your own app?
May 15 16:41:17 <mandric> wongk it does...
May 15 16:41:21 <mandric> basically wifi sleep
May 15 16:41:22 <EvilPenguin> AsyncTask(input, forgot this, output)
May 15 16:41:28 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin so AsyncTask<Integer, Integer, Array>
May 15 16:41:35 <evancharlton> EvilPenguin: progress
May 15 16:41:42 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: that would take an int and return an array.
May 15 16:41:46 <wongk> mandric: so you could at least log about that?
May 15 16:41:50 <mandric> wongk we are using a nexus s that we can't seem to configure to not wifi sleep.
May 15 16:42:00 <mandric> well, the remote client can't configure ...
May 15 16:42:12 <doogan> dschuett, the android.R.id.home is just for when getSupportActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true)
May 15 16:42:37 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin and how do i return 3 arrays in doInBackground? return arrayone; return array2; return array3?
May 15 16:43:04 <doogan> you could do something like
May 15 16:43:05 <doogan> http://pastebin.com/EE5Gj0LJ
May 15 16:43:13 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: someMethod() { return true; return false; reutnr true; }
May 15 16:43:18 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: is the return false hit?
May 15 16:43:37 <vorwaerts> return is true
May 15 16:43:39 <john_doe_jr> Hey, I'm developing for the Xoom which has the demensions of  249.1 mm in height and 167.8 mm in weight....in eclipse at the XML graphical layout screen in the xml how do I set up that screen so that it is those demensions?
May 15 16:43:52 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: which return true?
May 15 16:43:56 <EvilPenguin> first or last.
May 15 16:43:59 <canadiancow|work> i dont think mm is a measurement of weight
May 15 16:44:00 <EvilPenguin> or both.
May 15 16:44:04 <canadiancow|work> also john_doe_jr, you're doing it wrong
May 15 16:44:16 <evancharlton> EvilPenguin: what the hell is that?
May 15 16:44:19 <dschuett> doogan, ok perfect. I just didn't know if setting an id to each menuItem was better... i just don't know how to accomplish that
May 15 16:44:27 <EvilPenguin> evancharlton: if you read the conversation you'll understand :)
May 15 16:44:27 <dschuett> thanks for your help though!
May 15 16:44:54 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you would return an array that contains those three arrays.
May 15 16:44:58 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin when this is all about, then the last
May 15 16:45:18 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: no.. when you return in a function anything and EVERYTHING after that return statement is not executed.
May 15 16:45:43 <mandric> so the issue is we have an app installed that does an sms sync via http to a local web service on the wif.  the phone wifi is going to sleep and the conn gets severed so smssync stops working. the workaround was to add wifikeepawake and keepscreen to keep the wifi alive. this works in testing but not at the client site. so we are doing some remote debugging which is proving difficult.
May 15 16:45:48 <EvilPenguin> void method() { int i = 0; return; int j = 0; i = 10; } everything after return is no executed vorwaerts
May 15 16:45:55 <vorwaerts> and in onPostExecute i would seperate them?
May 15 16:45:58 <EvilPenguin> s/no/not
May 15 16:46:11 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you would pull the array you want based on the index of that array, yes.
May 15 16:46:27 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: please take a programming 101 class..
May 15 16:46:31 <vorwaerts> ok i try it
May 15 16:46:33 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: this is indeed in PHP as well.
May 15 16:46:57 <mandric> my thought is to get a "snapshot" of the config on the phone to verify it is what they say it is.  but as dragorn pointed out that's only possible with rooting the phone and even then hard.
May 15 16:47:47 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin so the type of the combained array is array then?
May 15 16:48:15 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: lol yes.
May 15 16:48:22 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: should i walk you though everything?
May 15 16:48:29 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you should do some trail and error :)
May 15 16:48:30 <doogan> np dschuett
May 15 16:48:43 <doogan> you can only set an itemId when you add the MenuItem to the ActionBar
May 15 16:48:46 <doogan> like so,          add(int groupId, int itemId, int order, int titleRes)
May 15 16:48:49 <zylith-away> what is good program to edit a xml file?
May 15 16:49:10 <vorwaerts> no but arrays are hard to understand for me, coming from php where i can say $array = array("no matter how long i am and what type i have");
May 15 16:49:17 <doogan> i'm pretty sure at least, i'm new to ABS as well
May 15 16:50:03 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: arrays are the same everywhere
May 15 16:50:11 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you have a zero based container for objects.
May 15 16:50:26 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you just need teh syntax to handle that array.
May 15 16:51:24 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin i would try Array[][] myarray = new Array[3][1]; to save 3 arrays in an array to return it
May 15 16:51:35 <leslie> php arrays are more like java lists tbh.
May 15 16:51:48 <QubeZ> hello all
May 15 16:51:54 <evancharlton> they're more like hashmaps, leslie
May 15 16:52:02 <leslie> oh. I was close
May 15 16:52:06 <GeeksOnHugs> I need some opinions on "designer 4 android"...I'm sure nobody has used it but check it out and tell me what you think.   my concern is id be less employable if I don't learn the standard way?
May 15 16:52:09 <GeeksOnHugs> http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/designer4android.html
May 15 16:52:23 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: you can use a Hashmap too
May 15 16:52:31 <vorwaerts> in any case they are easier to handle FOR ME
May 15 16:52:57 <evancharlton> GeeksOnHugs: with UIs like this, who wouldn't want to hire you? http://www.basic4ppc.com/basic4android/images/SS-2012-04-17_10.15.50.png
May 15 16:53:04 <EvilPenguin> ArrayList<ArrayList<String>> arrayOfEditTexts = new ArrayList<ArrayList<String>>();
May 15 16:53:11 <GeeksOnHugs> while I'm at it I'm curious about basic4android...I'm sure that would def make me unemployable
May 15 16:53:27 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: that is horrific
May 15 16:53:36 <GeeksOnHugs> lol...that's the tutorial
May 15 16:54:03 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin and to fill it? :D (to walk me through everything ^^)
May 15 16:54:05 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: ArrayList<ArrayList<String>> arrayOfArrayStrings = new ArrayList<ArrayList<String>>();
May 15 16:54:08 <GeeksOnHugs> wait look at the showcase...lemme find a link
May 15 16:54:41 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: ArrayList<String> strings = new ArrayList<String>(); arrayOfArrayStrings.add(strings);
May 15 16:54:51 <GeeksOnHugs> http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/screenshots.html#showcase
May 15 16:54:53 <vorwaerts> so this would create an arraylist with an arraylist that has strings?
May 15 16:54:56 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: the showcase is also horrific
May 15 16:55:06 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: yes
May 15 16:55:13 <canadiancow|work> you should probably just cast the references to List<?> rather than ArrayList<?>
May 15 16:55:16 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: an ArrayList of ArraysList<strings>
May 15 16:55:22 <vorwaerts> yes
May 15 16:55:23 <canadiancow|work> so List<?> whatever = new ArrayList<?>();
May 15 16:55:40 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: stick to writing the XML (and programatically where appropriate)
May 15 16:55:44 <GeeksOnHugs> how do u guys do ur uis?   hand code xml?   so far my uis are horrific
May 15 16:55:45 <QubeZ> all these UI builders suck
May 15 16:55:46 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: or you can use a HashMap, or many other ways.
May 15 16:55:54 <vorwaerts> and when i would use a "simple" array that i would fill with the arrays?
May 15 16:56:12 <JesusFreke> GeeksOnHugs: spoken like a true developer :)
May 15 16:56:15 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: you first few UI's will be horrible then you'll get better -- if you rely on tools like this whatever its called, you'll limit yourself and your learning
May 15 16:56:19 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: String strings[][] = new String[1][1];
May 15 16:56:23 <GeeksOnHugs> well beautiful uis are required for apps...how to get good?
May 15 16:56:35 <evancharlton> GeeksOnHugs: practice
May 15 16:57:00 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: go to google and search "android multidimensional array" and pick what fits you best.
May 15 16:57:15 <GeeksOnHugs> ok...I'm glad I checked here first...I was about to buy it
May 15 16:58:14 <vorwaerts> String strings[][] = new String[1][1]; creats Array => Array => String?
May 15 16:59:04 <vorwaerts> but here i can add only 1 Array, with one String, right?
May 15 17:00:18 <GeeksOnHugs> what about droiddraw?   it outputs real xml...designer4android puts out java code and requires a library
May 15 17:01:05 <evancharlton> lol, anything that puts out java code is definitely rubbish
May 15 17:01:28 <EuroTrash> Android's XML puts out java code.
May 15 17:01:38 <EuroTrash> I don't see what's wrong if the abstraction is complete.
May 15 17:02:31 <p_l> EuroTrash: um, it doesn't. Not the layout stuff, at least
May 15 17:02:42 <GeeksOnHugs> kk yah that was my biggest dissapointment with it b4 I asked...cause once you go down that dark path 4ever will it dominate ur destiny
May 15 17:03:02 <EuroTrash> p_l: what do you think Android does with that in the background?
May 15 17:03:06 <GeeksOnHugs> go on euro
May 15 17:03:24 <p_l> EuroTrash: the layouts are stored in binary form, but not as java code
May 15 17:03:52 <GeeksOnHugs> but what about the employability concern if I don't learn xml layouts
May 15 17:03:52 <p_l> EuroTrash: All the Java code involved is written by you when you write handlers etc.
May 15 17:03:58 <EuroTrash> p_l: and then interpreted and then it's still instantiated from code.
May 15 17:04:15 <EuroTrash> GeeksOnHugs: why don't you want to learn them?
May 15 17:04:25 <p_l> EuroTrash: there's no java code generation involved, though
May 15 17:04:27 <wongk> GeeksOnHugs: learn them
May 15 17:04:27 <EuroTrash> It's much like HTML and not that hard if you get the hang of it.
May 15 17:04:31 <GeeksOnHugs> lazy lol
May 15 17:04:39 <QubeZ> oh boy
May 15 17:04:45 <wongk> GeeksOnHugs: then your employability is already low :P
May 15 17:04:49 <EuroTrash> p_l: not pregenerated, I guess.
May 15 17:04:59 <doogan> zzzzz
May 15 17:05:19 <EuroTrash> GeeksOnHugs: generally, the lazy ones live in their parents' basement for most of their lives.
May 15 17:05:52 <EuroTrash> GeeksOnHugs: the technical side of this is, you're going to run into problems you can't solve with a layout editor.
May 15 17:06:02 <EuroTrash> And it's not necessarily faster than doing xml.
May 15 17:06:14 <GeeksOnHugs> ok heh...well I'm good lazy...I want to b productive
May 15 17:06:27 <QubeZ> writing XML's isn't that bad
May 15 17:06:45 <EuroTrash> It's a fairly nice system.
May 15 17:06:53 <EuroTrash> Better than HTML in some regards.
May 15 17:07:08 <GeeksOnHugs> I've programmed for 17 years...but windows guis...so the xml feels foreign
May 15 17:07:25 <EuroTrash> Cool, a challenge.
May 15 17:07:55 <wongk> compared to win32/MFC, nothing is a challenge ;)
May 15 17:08:20 <GeeksOnHugs> ok I think ur right...that's why I came so I could get talked out of it...ill be better off learning xml in the long run...so last question...
May 15 17:09:26 <GeeksOnHugs> what about droid draw and the like that outputs xml...while I learn?   or probably it would be a crutch that keeps me weak?
May 15 17:10:05 <wongk> it will slow your learning
May 15 17:10:16 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: come up with a layout of an activity and try to build it in XML -- you will fail many times but learning happens through failure
May 15 17:10:16 <EvilPenguin> 7+9
May 15 17:10:48 <wongk> with no realy benefit, i might add
May 15 17:10:51 <wongk> real
May 15 17:10:53 <QubeZ> beauty of the XML is, you can write it and then switch tabs to see what it looks like
May 15 17:10:58 <QubeZ> then keep tweaking it
May 15 17:11:08 <GeeksOnHugs> yah yah...I guess I knew that was the right answer...just gotta dive into xml
May 15 17:11:54 <QubeZ> you'll see that its not really that bad... there are only a handful of layout containers than not too many views to deal with within that (depending on what you need of course)
May 15 17:12:33 <QubeZ> I build my app in XML by hand and still didn't touch everything because I only needed a subset.  That is why its best to learn using a project based approach.  Come up with a project, draw sketches then try to produce in XML.
May 15 17:12:43 <QubeZ> *built
May 15 17:13:07 <GeeksOnHugs> is there a rule of thumb on which layout to start with as a noob?   it defaults to linear but table seems more useful
May 15 17:13:24 <moonlightcheese> so the lookup key value for contacts queries... i'm guessing the keys are tied to the phone itself and will change between devices?
May 15 17:13:28 <doogan> http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/index.html
May 15 17:13:29 <QubeZ> GeeksOnHugs: one is not better than another, its use depends on your needs
May 15 17:13:46 <EuroTrash> Table is for.. tables.
May 15 17:13:56 <EuroTrash> LinearLayout is what I use the most.
May 15 17:13:57 <moonlightcheese> so a key for a contact on one device would be different from that same contact on another phone, right?
May 15 17:14:00 <EuroTrash> With layout_weight
May 15 17:14:16 <GeeksOnHugs> kk...rtfm.. no probs ;)
May 15 17:14:22 <GeeksOnHugs> hehe
May 15 17:14:40 <GeeksOnHugs> ok...I c
May 15 17:15:17 <GeeksOnHugs> ok I'm off to it...thx again
May 15 17:17:22 <moonlightcheese> anyone?
May 15 17:21:42 <Isilion> hi i got this error while making : target arm C++: libmedia <= frameworks/base/media/libmedia/fixedfft.cpp arm-linux-androideabi-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) Please submit a full bug report.
May 15 17:21:51 <Isilion> seems i dont have cc1plus program
May 15 17:34:21 <ceti331_> anyone here worked with NDK
May 15 17:34:40 <ceti331_> can you compile and run NDK apps on the simulator
May 15 17:35:16 <evancharlton> yes
May 15 17:36:05 <readme> so, a user reported that his actual emails leak into his "contacts" screen
May 15 17:36:21 <canadiancow|work> ceti331_: no
May 15 17:36:23 <canadiancow|work> there is no simulator
May 15 17:37:48 <readme> anyone see anything wrong with this? this is the code I wrote to read some contacts. I cut it down to just emails, because it ran pretty slow on my phone with my google account
May 15 17:37:52 <readme> http://pastie.org/3916297
May 15 17:38:22 <akoustik> hi guys. i'm looking for some resources on android tablet audio capabilities. my understanding is that android doesn't currently support any USB audio interface. is that still the case?
May 15 17:38:28 <readme> the user can actually read the bodies of his email by reading the results of this code =O
May 15 17:41:41 <ceti331_> simulator… emulator … ?
May 15 17:41:57 <ceti331_> so the PC development 'emulator' only runs java i guess?
May 15 17:43:01 <evancharlton> er, no
May 15 17:43:05 <readme> no, it runs instructions
May 15 17:43:15 <evancharlton> the emulator is a full emulated ARM machine
May 15 17:43:23 <p_l> ceti331_: it's an emulator for a full ARM machine
May 15 17:43:24 <evancharlton> that's why it's an emulator and not a simulator
May 15 17:43:26 <akoustik> ceti331_: the emulator can run ndk software as well. ndk code gets compiled to dalvik bytecode just like the java code you use.
May 15 17:43:48 <p_l> technically, iOS Simulator *isn't* a simulator, but userland virtualization or runtime
May 15 17:43:54 <evancharlton> akoustik: I'm not sure you know what "native" means if you think it winds up in dalvik bytecode...?
May 15 17:44:07 <akoustik> evancharlton: derp didn't mean to say that.
May 15 17:44:11 <p_l> akoustik: ndk doesn't get compiled to dalvik
May 15 17:44:52 <ceti331_> ndk -> arm binary ? or is it a way of running c++ on dalvik
May 15 17:45:12 <akoustik> of course, my mistake. you would just say machine code, then?
May 15 17:45:20 <evancharlton> akoustik: yeah
May 15 17:45:58 <akoustik> does anyone have information on my question about usage of USB audio interfaces with android?
May 15 17:46:20 <akoustik> i read that 4.0 still doesn't support USB audio input. confirm? disconfirm?
May 15 17:46:48 <Zharf> I thought I saw some 3.x devices with usb host
May 15 17:48:17 <ceti331_> so can someone confirm that: NDK really does mean compiling propper ARM machine code
May 15 17:48:29 <p_l> ceti331_: *yes*
May 15 17:48:39 <p_l> to whatever is the native platform
May 15 17:48:48 <ceti331_> ok. i need to know that before I buy a phone as a programming toy
May 15 17:48:55 <p_l> (armv5te, armv7a, x86, mips)
May 15 17:49:16 <p_l> if you're getting a device, I recommend something with armv7
May 15 17:49:20 <ceti331_> so I presume one can compile NDK for X86 with the development environment
May 15 17:49:31 <p_l> the current NDK added x86 target, iirc
May 15 17:49:44 <ceti331_> I dont know all the ARM names.. is armv7 the one in the vita and top end iOS devices.. with OOOE
May 15 17:49:45 <p_l> you can port it further by compiling from sources
May 15 17:49:47 <akoustik> Zharf: hm, yes, but it looks like there's no way to just have a usb interface behave as an audio input. any suggestions for an approach to solving the problem of audio input with the stuff in the sdk already?
May 15 17:49:59 <p_l> ceti331_: ARMv7 is the instruction set version
May 15 17:50:01 <ceti331_> 'coretex a9'
May 15 17:50:04 <ceti331_> ok
May 15 17:50:10 <Zharf> akoustik, no experience in the matter here, sorry
May 15 17:50:11 <p_l> cortext a8+ all have v7a
May 15 17:50:29 <p_l> though NEON (vector extensions) are optional
May 15 17:50:32 <akoustik> Zharf: thanks.
May 15 17:50:38 <ceti331_> SIMD unit .. i know there's float, legacy VectorFloat, then Neon replacing VectorFloat?
May 15 17:50:48 <akoustik> anyone have resources for dealing with general usb interfaces in android?
May 15 17:50:53 <ceti331_> neon being in the PS Vita, and presumably Tegra3?
May 15 17:51:11 <ceti331_> I'm tempted by a tegra3 phone
May 15 17:51:27 <Zharf> oh here's a question, if my package contains armeabi and armeabiv7a libs, do both of them still get installed on all devices when installed from play store? (effectively wasting space)
May 15 17:51:41 <ceti331_> ability to write NEON code (intrinsics and ASM) is a must
May 15 17:51:55 <p_l> Tegra3 is nice
May 15 17:51:56 <ceti331_> (write, and run)
May 15 17:52:19 <p_l> and after seeing GCC intrinsics for NEON... damn, but I want it :D
May 15 17:53:18 <ceti331_> i am dealing with PS Vita for work, have a hobby project on iOS, but no quadcore iOS devices.. i want to move my hobby project to NDK; developping neon optimized code is useful all round for me
May 15 17:54:14 <herriojr> video resizing is a pain in the ass on android
May 15 17:54:49 <p_l> ceti331_: you can also bypass android, which can be sometimes useful when you just want to test some ARM code but not make it into Android app
May 15 17:55:08 <ceti331_> thats' like "REALLY" native ?
May 15 17:55:48 <evancharlton> NDK code is already "REALLY" native
May 15 17:56:24 <ceti331_> ok. but 'bypass android' .. i presume you mean running os-less on the device?
May 15 17:56:25 <mynameisdeleted2> whats the best toolkit for writing an app that works on iphone and android with minimal change?
May 15 17:56:35 <ceti331_> hahhaha
May 15 17:56:51 <ceti331_> i'm just talking to other coders about how to do apps between windows and ios
May 15 17:56:54 <evancharlton> ceti331_: what, no
May 15 17:57:07 <readme> mynameisdeleted2: what kind of app?
May 15 17:57:47 <mynameisdeleted2> I guess office productivity or game apps
May 15 17:57:52 <mynameisdeleted2> mostely office productivity
May 15 17:57:57 <mynameisdeleted2> buttons, sliders, forms etc
May 15 17:58:01 <mynameisdeleted2> can be done in html5+js
May 15 17:58:09 <mynameisdeleted2> opengl requires native code
May 15 17:58:09 <readme> try cordova
May 15 17:58:11 <pragma-> I stumbled across some HTML5/javascript/css framework for creating cross-platform mobile apps across android/ios/windows phone/blackberry
May 15 17:58:13 <ceti331_> can objective-C compile in the NDK compiler
May 15 17:58:16 <pragma-> Forgot the name of it.
May 15 17:58:27 <readme> just don't write like an idiot, because it's easy to screw up a html5 js app since it's already going to be slow, even if you do it right
May 15 17:58:46 <pragma-> There's probably at least 3 HTML5/javascript/css frameworks now
May 15 17:58:49 <pragma-> And they probably all suck
May 15 17:58:50 <ceti331_> seems like a C++ framework is safer for cross-platform than ObjectiveC and java based apis
May 15 17:58:51 <readme> someone asked me to fix a bug in one the other day but I couldn't, because it was so slow it wouldn't run on my dual core phone fast enough to reproduce the bug.
May 15 17:58:57 <mynameisdeleted2> I'd think objective-C can compile on NDK since thats both based on gcc
May 15 17:59:09 <ceti331_> i thought so but have also read otherwise
May 15 17:59:22 <ceti331_> i am trying to compile NDK samples now but i've only just downloaded the sdk
May 15 17:59:24 <mynameisdeleted2> there is qt for ios and qt for android already
May 15 17:59:31 <mynameisdeleted2> maybe kde/qt libraries are the way to go
May 15 17:59:38 <ceti331_> Qt sounds good
May 15 17:59:45 <readme> hahaa, good luck with that.
May 15 17:59:50 <mynameisdeleted2> and works in linux, mac and windows
May 15 17:59:52 <ceti331_> my friend is burdened with doing a productivity app on windows+iOS
May 15 18:00:05 <p_l> ceti331_: no, "Android" is technically a runtime running on top of Linux. Bypassing it would mean not using Android services etc.
May 15 18:00:07 <readme> 'burdened'
May 15 18:00:13 <mynameisdeleted2> I think Qt may have some future in it... it has java bindings too
May 15 18:00:23 <ceti331_> he is a c-sharp developper, deskilled himself in c++. so now he faces developping c-sharp for dotNet and objectiveC for iOS
May 15 18:00:25 <mynameisdeleted2> so you can make a portion of your app writable by java developers
May 15 18:00:33 <p_l> ceti331_: Objective-C can be compiled with NDK, but you'd need to provide apropriate Obj-C runtime
May 15 18:00:45 <readme> ceti331_: you say it like it is a horrible thing. some of us here like writing apps in managed languages, believe it or not.
May 15 18:00:59 <ceti331_> it seems like C++ is the way to go for a true multiplatform app… a C++ wrapper over all UI ,system...
May 15 18:00:59 <readme> infact, i'd wager most do
May 15 18:01:06 <mynameisdeleted2> C++ is awsome... can almost run within java, can run within objective-C and can run within C#
May 15 18:01:24 <oGMo> you could say the same about C
May 15 18:01:25 <mynameisdeleted2> most open source c/c++ apps run on tons of cpu-types
May 15 18:01:34 <mynameisdeleted2> from arm to mips to sparc
May 15 18:01:35 <p_l> ceti331_: C++ is the one way to guarantee issues with code portability. So far I haven't encountered a language harder to make cooperate with other stuff
May 15 18:01:35 <pragma-> "run within"
May 15 18:01:44 <ceti331_> C++ was longwinded but C++11 helps
May 15 18:02:03 <ceti331_> it does require care but its doable
May 15 18:02:12 <mynameisdeleted2> my last inter-platform c++ app used ntohl a lot
May 15 18:02:18 <mynameisdeleted2> to convert network endian to host endian
May 15 18:02:19 <mynameisdeleted2> or back
May 15 18:02:24 <p_l> Objective-C *would* be better if not for the case of lacking a good runtime that doesn't add weird stuff (GNUstep doesn't count)
May 15 18:02:31 <ceti331_> my hobby project compiles with about 3% differences between iOS and windows
May 15 18:02:32 <mynameisdeleted2> 1 #define file to determind endian and word size etc
May 15 18:02:35 <oGMo> so it removing your own kidney
May 15 18:03:13 <oGMo> "is" .. and nearly as painful!
May 15 18:03:14 <mynameisdeleted2> I'm thinking a validator similiar to xhtml validator but for c++
May 15 18:03:21 <mynameisdeleted2> could verify no use of functions that arent cross-platform
May 15 18:03:31 <mynameisdeleted2> readign from disk must use host-endian conversion
May 15 18:03:34 <mynameisdeleted2> reading from nework must as well
May 15 18:03:36 <ceti331_> can you get the managed languages to sit on top of iOS objective C api's
May 15 18:03:57 <mynameisdeleted2> and force a valgrind test on it as well
May 15 18:05:08 <pragma-> mynameisdeleted2: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/12215635.jpg
May 15 18:05:27 <ceti331_> i'm just running the android SDK updater.. its asking me to make a motorola dev account, didn't expect that, is that normal
May 15 18:05:48 <pragma-> ceti331_: for you?  probably.
May 15 18:05:58 <SimonVT> If you download motorola packages it could be expected
May 15 18:06:00 <SimonVT> Ask motorola
May 15 18:06:04 <pragma-> I'm sure these sorts of situations are completely normal for you.
May 15 18:06:25 <ceti331_> am i going to have to make loads of accounts
May 15 18:06:34 <pragma-> Probably.  Seems to be your skillset.
May 15 18:06:46 <ceti331_> for various vendors
May 15 18:07:06 <ceti331_> hehe ok.
May 15 18:07:07 <vorwaerts> how do i create an array like this $array = array("id" => array("name", "date"));?
May 15 18:07:19 <ceti331_> what language is that
May 15 18:07:31 <ceti331_> PHP?
May 15 18:07:35 <vorwaerts> yes
May 15 18:07:44 <vorwaerts> but i need this in java and i dont understand
May 15 18:07:55 <oGMo> perhaps learn java?
May 15 18:07:56 <pragma-> An ArrayList may be the simplest approach for you.
May 15 18:08:11 <dragorn> you want an array of arrays of strings
May 15 18:08:26 <pragma-> Or maybe a hashtable of arraylists
May 15 18:08:29 <ceti331_> hell i  wonder if downloading the android sdk is going to end up with me learning java… yikes
May 15 18:08:31 <vorwaerts> String[][] array = String[1][2]; array[id] = .... i dont know
May 15 18:08:34 <canadiancow|work> you want a HashMap<String, Pair<String, String>>
May 15 18:08:49 <dragorn> w/out starting a langauge war, you're going to find that PHP plays fast and loose and is pretty messy
May 15 18:08:51 <ceti331_> must not deskill myself with managed languages
May 15 18:09:01 <dragorn> and you may have to work to adjust your data formats for java
May 15 18:09:09 <ceti331_> or some would say reskill. ,some say c++ is dying..
May 15 18:09:17 <p_l> ceti331_: Objective-C has the advantage that it has basically C api
May 15 18:09:30 * pragma- assumed there could be more than two elements for some entries.
May 15 18:09:41 <p_l> which means you can easily put anything on top of it, because C has, by design, a simple interface
May 15 18:09:48 <ceti331_> got no problem with objective C since it can play nice with c++, objective-C++.. 2 differnt types of object model
May 15 18:09:50 <p_l> C++ doesn't
May 15 18:09:55 <hwrd|work> Objective C is really a great language.
May 15 18:10:02 <mynameisdeleted2> I think a bulletproof way of verifying endianness compatibility with c++ would make it an ideal choce
May 15 18:10:13 <ceti331_> i like named parameters
May 15 18:10:18 <ceti331_> i wish plain c had that
May 15 18:10:29 <pragma-> mynameisdeleted2: just pick one endian and do everything in it
May 15 18:10:34 <canadiancow|work> objective c
May 15 18:10:35 <canadiancow|work> bleh
May 15 18:10:37 <oGMo> this conversation is sad
May 15 18:10:38 <canadiancow|work> i miss generics
May 15 18:10:56 <ceti331_> templates?
May 15 18:10:56 <hwrd|work> ffs. I'm just going to pick little endian and do everything in binary
May 15 18:11:16 <canadiancow|work> ceti331_ sure, but obj-c doesnt have em, does it?
May 15 18:11:30 <ceti331_> not generics, but Objective-C++ has templates for sure
May 15 18:11:33 <vorwaerts> canadiancow|work Map<String, Pair<String, String>> = new HashMap<String, Pair<String, String>>; ?
May 15 18:11:36 <hwrd|work> I feel, like if you have Java, C, Python, and JS in your ammo bag you can't lose as a programmer
May 15 18:11:45 <p_l> I'm used to Common Lisp. I feel really constrained in Java or C++ :>
May 15 18:11:54 <canadiancow|work> vorwaerts, yes
May 15 18:11:57 <ceti331_> one question I have is what is best to add to C++ to complement that
May 15 18:12:17 <vorwaerts> canadiancow|work syntax error on token ">>"
May 15 18:12:25 <hwrd|work> ^ lol
May 15 18:12:36 <vorwaerts> there is no name ^^
May 15 18:12:37 <pragma-> nope
May 15 18:12:39 <pragma-> missing ()
May 15 18:12:50 <pragma-> vorwaerts: this is not a #teach-me-java channel
May 15 18:12:56 <ceti331_> Common Lisp vs JScript… i heard JScript/javascript described as very lisp-like?
May 15 18:13:00 <vorwaerts> ok
May 15 18:13:10 <vorwaerts> thanks
May 15 18:13:14 <vorwaerts> pragma- sorry
May 15 18:13:21 <ceti331_> but common lisp has a better object model? and elegent ancient syntax :)
May 15 18:13:29 <p_l> ceti331_: javascript came from scheme
May 15 18:13:40 <ceti331_> ok
May 15 18:13:46 <pragma-> hwrd|work: s/Python/Perl/
May 15 18:14:14 <p_l> ceti331_: except it got some truly broken shit that wouldn't go through in scheme (infamous "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN, Batman" example...)
May 15 18:14:32 <ceti331_> i've heard javascript derrided for inconsistencies
May 15 18:14:54 <pragma-> still a better language than python
May 15 18:14:56 <p_l> it has some annoying issues
May 15 18:15:00 <ceti331_> but i like the idea of a curly-brace dynamic language
May 15 18:15:10 <ceti331_> for me as a C/C++ coder
May 15 18:15:23 <ceti331_> i know the braces aren't that much of an issue compared to everythign else
May 15 18:15:47 <ceti331_> but from the outset it tells me someone is sympathetic to my mindset
May 15 18:15:50 <vorwaerts> canadiancow|work is there something instead of pair to use String, String, String?
May 15 18:15:58 <pragma-> I knew it.
May 15 18:16:04 <canadiancow|work> sure?
May 15 18:16:13 <mynameisdeleted2> most solaris-code I get runs fine on intel without endianness problems
May 15 18:16:16 <canadiancow|work> you can make your own object
May 15 18:16:17 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: as I've been saying all morning, you need to learn to program first.
May 15 18:16:25 <canadiancow|work> NameDataPair { public String name; public String pair; }
May 15 18:16:29 <canadiancow|work> NameDatePair*
May 15 18:16:34 <canadiancow|work> err im typing too fsat
May 15 18:16:41 <canadiancow|work> but it really depends on how you wnat to represent the data
May 15 18:17:07 * pragma- reports all the |work people for slacking.
May 15 18:17:11 * pragma- points at hwrd|work 
May 15 18:19:40 * pragma- writes a stiff letter to his congressman to complain about all the working people wasting away the economy by spending work-hours on IRC.
May 15 18:19:56 <GeeksOnHugs> lol
May 15 18:20:17 <canadiancow|work> and if youre storing a date, String probably isnt the best
May 15 18:20:20 <pragma-> inb4, WOPA -- a law to ban IRC during work-hours.
May 15 18:20:21 <canadiancow|work> long, Date, something like that
May 15 18:21:16 <hwrd|work> pragma-: I'm not working.
May 15 18:21:33 <hwrd|work> Work is for dronez. I'm having fun.
May 15 18:21:55 <pragma-> hwrd|fun
May 15 18:22:09 <hwrd|work> ^ +1
May 15 18:22:11 <hwrd|work> ffs
May 15 18:22:12 <hwrd|work> wtf
May 15 18:22:13 <hwrd|work> amg
May 15 18:22:17 <pragma-> bs
May 15 18:22:18 <hwrd|work> my gnex just restarted out of nowhere
May 15 18:22:27 <pragma-> bbq
May 15 18:24:14 <readme> well, here is the solution I'm going to implement, because the contacts content provider is dumping the bodies of emails when I only asked for the address
May 15 18:24:20 <readme> 					email = email.split(" ")[0];
May 15 18:24:52 <readme> hopefully there's a space there. I haven't been able to see the actual bug, or reproduce it on any of my own devices :|
May 15 18:25:02 <readme> maybe i should use \\s, to get all whitespace.
May 15 18:25:18 <pragma-> maybe you should get more information
May 15 18:25:34 <readme> yeah.
May 15 18:25:42 <readme> I'll write some code to send me back what's actually happening
May 15 18:25:43 <readme> good idea.
May 15 18:26:15 <pfn> http://pastebin.com/ZTZAhhw8
May 15 18:26:16 <pfn> heh
May 15 18:26:21 <pfn> too bad can't see the text from so far away
May 15 18:26:55 <readme> pfn: something is wrong with your link
May 15 18:27:14 <pfn> oops
May 15 18:27:15 <pfn> wrong link
May 15 18:27:45 <pfn> how the hell do I copy a link from plus
May 15 18:28:13 <pfn> just some dude standing outside of google holding a sign that says "hiremeok.com" and "ivyleagueneedsjobs"
May 15 18:28:37 <readme> http://hiremeok.com/
May 15 18:28:50 <pfn> https://plus.google.com/111751695436781052143/posts/8ksWYivrwbs
May 15 18:29:39 <Trudko> guys anybody have some experience with simple image processing(finding out the colors)
May 15 18:29:55 <readme> pfn: :
May 15 18:29:57 <readme>  :|
May 15 18:30:12 <readme> if I was that guy I'd be at home doing something valuable that makes people want to hire me, like coding
May 15 18:30:51 <readme> when someone is going to hire a programmer, i'm sure the first thing they think is "are they desperate enough to stand on the side of the road and beg?"
May 15 18:31:01 <readme> actually, that probably does come to mind
May 15 18:31:12 <readme> explains a lot of software, anyway.
May 15 18:31:31 <pfn> heh, in sf after the .bomb there were lots of hipsters standing on corners with signs like "will do html for food" or something
May 15 18:31:41 <oGMo> readme: yeah .. spent time complaining they don't have a job and not enough coding
May 15 18:31:59 <g00s> hmm, has anyone used OrientDB on android? it looks like you can use it in an embedded configuration, not so sure
May 15 18:32:10 <ceti331_> "will code html for food" yeah i remember the images
May 15 18:32:40 <readme> these days people will code html just for water
May 15 18:32:48 <ceti331_> haha
May 15 18:33:09 <oGMo> people who think writing html is coding should probably be denied it
May 15 18:33:22 <Trudko> pnf readme do you mind if I join the discussion? I came late but it sounds interesteing what you are talking about
May 15 18:33:35 <pfn> nothing particularly interesting
May 15 18:33:41 <readme> Trudko: smooth move, exlax
May 15 18:33:45 <pfn> I just took a picture of a guy standing on the corner of the google campus
May 15 18:34:09 <readme> ah, so it is an original :)
May 15 18:35:00 <ceti331_> anyone know if there is there a synergy client for android
May 15 18:35:21 <readme> i was just saying how that'd be awesome
May 15 18:35:25 <readme> a couple weeks ago
May 15 18:35:33 <readme> no more moving your hand :)
May 15 18:35:44 <GeeksOnHugs> is there a resource for standard widget nameing convention...i.e. textfield named txtMyTextField1  checkbox named chkMyCheck ...that's the convention I followed before, not sure about java
May 15 18:35:46 <ceti331_> i'm battling an urge to buy an android phone
May 15 18:36:03 <GeeksOnHugs> and then also XML versus java
May 15 18:36:09 <readme> you need one. trying to develop for android without any device is just a bad idea.
May 15 18:36:18 <ceti331_> one of the voices is telling me the phone can be plugged into a mounted monitor in my Command Centre
May 15 18:36:32 <ceti331_> @readme: this is hobby project
May 15 18:36:45 <readme> so, some people spend fortunes on their hobbies
May 15 18:36:54 <readme> an android phone is a few hundred bucks :)
May 15 18:37:03 <readme> it's also useful as a communications device.
May 15 18:37:07 <readme> win/win
May 15 18:37:23 <Zider> readme: what, you can make calls with it too? awesome! ;)
May 15 18:37:38 <Trudko> I even send text messages
May 15 18:37:44 <Trudko> I know...magic!
May 15 18:37:47 <ceti331_> yeah i can get a communication device for <£100. or i can get the latest quadcore device as a programming target, distracting me from other PC bits like SSD's , bigger monitors etc
May 15 18:38:04 <readme> oh man, my PC is a pile of garbage.
May 15 18:38:14 <readme> it's probably worth less than $100
May 15 18:38:22 <readme> and it's plenty fast.
May 15 18:38:45 <ceti331_> seems silly to call an android a "phone" these days - its very misleading
May 15 18:38:59 <Zider> that's why it's called a SMARTphone ;P
May 15 18:39:01 <ceti331_> i have friends who still talk with confusion about these things
May 15 18:39:39 <ceti331_> "why would i want to plug it into a keyboard-dock.. what happens i f someone calls me .. am i missing something?" YES, SKYPE
May 15 18:39:52 <ceti331_> "but the screens are small" NO THEY HAVE HDMI OUT
May 15 18:40:32 <ceti331_> there's android tv boxes, right? anyone messed with them ?
May 15 18:40:56 <Zider> the screens ARE small, regardless of outputs
May 15 18:40:58 <canadiancow|work> google tv?
May 15 18:41:10 <canadiancow|work> like the logitech revue?
May 15 18:41:18 <ceti331_> can you get 1920x1080p out of any android *phones*
May 15 18:41:27 <ceti331_> i'm assuming google-tv does
May 15 18:41:34 <canadiancow|work> google tv does
May 15 18:41:43 <canadiancow|work> im never used hdmi out on a phone
May 15 18:41:48 <canadiancow|work> i cant think of a use case where i'd want to
May 15 18:41:53 <ceti331_> i can
May 15 18:41:53 <canadiancow|work> maybe demoing an app
May 15 18:42:15 <pragma-> "Look at the anti-aliasing on this text view, huh, huh, HUH?"
May 15 18:42:22 <ceti331_> i can: it would make me feel better about splashing out on a tegra3 phone if i could basically plug IO in to make it more like a pc
May 15 18:42:34 <ceti331_> (toy / hobby value)
May 15 18:42:45 <ceti331_> real computer that is pocketable
May 15 18:43:05 <ceti331_> my defiition of real computer is one that can compile  its own native applications - so linux would have to be there somewher
May 15 18:44:00 <t0mless> I think most of the hdmi outs on phones are only 720p max
May 15 18:44:08 <readme> ceti331_: have you seen ubuntu for android
May 15 18:44:16 <t0mless> but I haven't messed with those, only tablet hdmi out
May 15 18:44:23 <ceti331_> in screenshots. now thats the sort of thing that would make me feel really good about a quadcore phone
May 15 18:44:29 <readme> you can use your android as full fledged PC
May 15 18:44:53 <ceti331_> my ipod touch was a 5min wonder
May 15 18:45:01 <ceti331_> its done the job of an ipod mostly
May 15 18:45:18 <t0mless> I liked my ipod touch
May 15 18:45:27 <t0mless> let me play iphone games
May 15 18:45:34 <t0mless> but once I got my android device
May 15 18:45:42 <ceti331_> nice idea but i can't enjoy touchsceren controls so much
May 15 18:45:45 <t0mless> that thing went dead and not charged again
May 15 18:45:53 <ceti331_> r-type was playable though
May 15 18:46:28 <ceti331_> i bought an iPad2 as a dev target aswell, figured the big screen was more inspiring
May 15 18:46:54 <ceti331_> i like "air-display"
May 15 18:47:05 <ceti331_> i gather there is an android version too?
May 15 18:47:13 <pfn> I still use my ipod touch, but much less often
May 15 18:47:16 <pfn> mostly when I want music
May 15 18:47:17 <Trudko> Guys I am thinking about camera app which would allow me to select area of picture and crop the picture so only that area would be left
May 15 18:47:17 <t0mless> not sure what air display is
May 15 18:47:22 <pfn> since ipods offer a better music experience for me
May 15 18:47:36 <Trudko> what easy way how to select part of image?(maybe even whilke taking the picture it self)
May 15 18:47:39 <t0mless> Trudko pretty sure the stock one does that
May 15 18:47:39 <ceti331_> air display = use iOS device as 2nd monitor (via RDP trickery)
May 15 18:48:16 <t0mless> that would be a small monitor -_-
May 15 18:48:16 <Trudko> t0mless what do u mean by stock? its some app?
May 15 18:48:28 <t0mless> Trudko yea... the stock gallery app I think can crop
May 15 18:48:39 <Trudko> ok but I need to add that to my own app
May 15 18:48:48 <ceti331_> yeah but think of a macbook + wired monitor + ipad
May 15 18:49:01 <ceti331_> and think of the retina display… 2048x1536
May 15 18:49:54 <ceti331_> a small extra monitor in the right place can be usefull - e.g. sat above or below one's main screen
May 15 18:50:33 <t0mless> I think i'd rather have a synergy client
May 15 18:50:44 <t0mless> to be able to just go control the device with my mouse/keyboard
May 15 18:51:03 <t0mless> maybe just because I already have 2 22" monitors
May 15 18:51:42 <moonlightcheese> attach it to your neck on a pole and angle the screen at about 45 degrees about a foot from your face.
May 15 18:51:54 <ceti331_> YES I've done this
May 15 18:51:59 <moonlightcheese> oh.
May 15 18:52:01 <ceti331_> i have to admit
May 15 18:52:06 <ceti331_> a coathanger
May 15 18:52:14 <moonlightcheese> you're serious...
May 15 18:52:17 <ceti331_> i used it for about 30 minutes admitedly.. but i have done this :)
May 15 18:52:25 <moonlightcheese> omg...
May 15 18:52:27 <ceti331_> :)
May 15 18:52:40 <ceti331_> i taped it to a cycling helmet, yes, really
May 15 18:52:44 <pfn> come on samsung, where's ics for the gtab10.1 already
May 15 18:52:59 <moonlightcheese> still waiting for Thunderbolt too :/
May 15 18:53:03 <t0mless> that still isn't out?
May 15 18:53:09 <pfn> nope
May 15 18:53:10 <ceti331_> thunderbolt is, devices aren't
May 15 18:53:39 <t0mless> I thought gtab would be released before or around the same time as the Acer A500
May 15 18:53:47 <pfn> a500 got ics already?
May 15 18:53:50 <t0mless> yea
May 15 18:53:51 <t0mless> last month
May 15 18:53:55 <pfn> samsung is terrible after post-sales support
May 15 18:53:56 <canadiancow|work> pfn: http://get.cm
May 15 18:53:58 <xertoz> how do I make the emulator think I'm in Russia? testing a geo feature, but with telnet and the geo fix long lat command it wouldn't really set a country location when used with the admob+locationmanager apis
May 15 18:53:59 <pfn> s/after/at
May 15 18:54:04 <t0mless> I had the leaked version in march
May 15 18:54:06 <pfn> canadiancow|work, I'm not getting it 'til it becomes an rc
May 15 18:54:21 <canadiancow|work> it's more stable than whatever samscum will release
May 15 18:54:35 <ceti331_> anyone here got any opinions on HTC one X vs samsung galaxy S3. do i wait 2 weeks o rmake an impulse purchase for the tegra3 htc one
May 15 18:54:45 <pfn> why not get the htc one
May 15 18:55:25 <ceti331_> yes thats what i'm thinking, i just want to make sure i'm not missing out
May 15 18:55:26 <Zider> ceti331_: you're already past the "impulse" of an "impulse purchase". :)
May 15 18:55:44 <pfn> nothing seems compelling about the sgs3
May 15 18:55:58 <pfn> except sgs3 has softbuttons vs. htc's physical?
May 15 18:55:58 <ceti331_> ok good. see i dont have a strong opinion either way.
May 15 18:56:10 <ceti331_> and I have no android device direct experience.
May 15 18:56:12 <Nijikokun> http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=glacier
May 15 18:56:17 <Nijikokun> lol none of those links work.
May 15 18:56:41 <snuy> how can i use a custom dns server in one of my apps?
May 15 18:56:43 <ceti331_> i told myself I'll buy
May 15 18:56:58 <ceti331_> one if i can compile my code for it..
May 15 18:57:39 <ceti331_> hence questions about NDK 'emulator'/simulator whatever
May 15 18:58:35 <ceti331_> anyone here installed android on an x86 machine ?
May 15 18:59:06 <Ravenheart> ain't we all
May 15 19:01:55 <ceti331_> anyone seen any dual screen apps. might sound crazy but, for the sort of person who ends up with 2 devices..
May 15 19:02:08 <ceti331_> and a folding case to connect them
May 15 19:02:18 <ceti331_> as per 'sony tablet p'
May 15 19:02:25 <pfn> no
May 15 19:03:13 <ceti331_> i guess most sane people just trade their last device in or bin it
May 15 19:03:25 <ceti331_> they dont obsess that much
May 15 19:04:48 <Ravenheart> i ain't gonna be upgrading till the Galaxy S4 or 5
May 15 19:05:04 <xertoz> ceti331_: dual screen apps?
May 15 19:05:14 <ceti331_> yes i'm being crazy
May 15 19:05:22 <p_l> Ravenheart: then you'll be waiting for S6 or S7 ;)
May 15 19:05:28 <Ravenheart> naaa
May 15 19:05:37 <Ravenheart> i got the S2 like 6 months ago
May 15 19:05:45 <Ravenheart> am reallllllllyyy happy with it so far
May 15 19:05:54 <Ravenheart> S3 looks pale for me
May 15 19:06:13 <ceti331_> although sony were crazy enough to make a folding format tablet. of course i ask, couldn't you recycle old devices to improvise :)
May 15 19:06:40 <Ravenheart> no
May 15 19:07:14 <ceti331_> i've an ipad2 so i wont upgrade to ipad3. but my pocket device is singlecore, so upgrading that to quadcore now is probably ok
May 15 19:08:14 <g00s> feature wise s3 looks nice, design wise htc one looks nice
May 15 19:09:20 <ceti331_> can csharp compile to dalvik
May 15 19:09:43 <p_l> ceti331_: currently not. You're welcome to try and make DVM's equivalent of IKVM, just for .NET instead of Java
May 15 19:09:46 <theTroy> Hi guys, does anyone know how to display reviews for ALL languages in google play? Atm it is showing me only in a single language, even from dev console
May 15 19:10:04 <theTroy> while I can see that there are more reviews than displayed
May 15 19:10:21 <ceti331_> @p_l - i have no experience in this field but i would certainly like to look into this sort of thing if i was to try and get into csharp/mono ?
May 15 19:10:29 <pragma-> I'm pretty sure I've heard of C# android apps, but I never bothered to investigate the technology.
May 15 19:10:58 <ceti331_> presumably its the sort of thign that the opensource community can do quite happily
May 15 19:11:00 <p_l> ceti331_: there's a commercial port of mono which has Mono runtime as NDK library
May 15 19:11:07 <orospakr> hey, I want to have an Android
May 15 19:11:18 <p_l> ceti331_: it's however pretty expensive (from my pov)
May 15 19:11:21 <orospakr> oops. ignore that. sorry. :)
May 15 19:11:35 <ceti331_> i should look into mono
May 15 19:12:06 <p_l> although it might be worth the investment (Afterall, I consider spending >1200 EUR on compiler to sensible...)
May 15 19:12:19 <p_l> so I guess I shouldn't complain so much about MonoDroid prices
May 15 19:12:40 <GeeksOnHugs> I have an edit text that I want to be read only...I set editable to false, but get a warning that says editable is deprecated...what to do here?  I want to keep no warnings if I can
May 15 19:12:50 <GeeksOnHugs> this is in the XML
May 15 19:13:18 <pragma-> Hrm, I have 3 months of credit on my electric bill because one month my bill came in wrapped with parens and I didn't interpret that as meaning that I had credit, so I paid the amount in the parens and ended up doubling my credit.
May 15 19:13:26 <evancharlton> GeeksOnHugs: enabled="false"?
May 15 19:13:38 <GeeksOnHugs> kk...lemme try...
May 15 19:13:58 <pragma-> I'm not sure whether to be excited or not.
May 15 19:14:09 <nplus> Hi, I'm creating a bound service that acts as similar to content provider - retrieves data over the network. With the way activities bind/unbind to the service, the service might be created/destroyed often. I want to have a short term cache of the fetched data ~1minute for some data, longer for other more dynamic data.  My questions: Is a bound service the best type of service to use in this...
May 15 19:14:11 <nplus> ...case - would it be better to persist the service? How should I persist the data? In memory, database, file - currently the data might be a few KB?
May 15 19:15:07 <pragma-> I like having other companies owe me money.
May 15 19:15:23 <pragma-> I can pretend that I could go out and break their legs.
May 15 19:16:43 <GeeksOnHugs> @evancharlton that makes it greyed out and also a warning that says deprecated hehe...it says use "stateenabled" instead but I find no such property
May 15 19:17:27 <evancharlton> GeeksOnHugs: editable says to use inputType
May 15 19:17:54 <GeeksOnHugs> What inputtype would I select?
May 15 19:17:54 <evancharlton> GeeksOnHugs: use inputType="none"
May 15 19:17:59 <GeeksOnHugs> ah kk
May 15 19:18:00 <GeeksOnHugs> ty :)
May 15 19:18:04 <evancharlton> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/R.attr.html#inputType
May 15 19:18:27 <GeeksOnHugs> is there an object inspector, rather than going through these menues?  I'm using an eclipse derivative Motodev Studio for Android (by Motorola)
May 15 19:19:31 <GeeksOnHugs> yep that does the trick, thank you :)  @evancharlton  any idea about an object inspector
May 15 19:19:40 <GeeksOnHugs> like the properties in a grid
May 15 19:19:56 <t0mless> like... the docs?
May 15 19:20:06 <GeeksOnHugs> docs?
May 15 19:20:23 <t0mless> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/package-summary.html
May 15 19:20:27 <pragma-> GeeksOnHugs: by the way, this isn't Twitter.
May 15 19:20:50 <GeeksOnHugs> what do you mean?  Ive never used twitter
May 15 19:21:12 <t0mless> he's just giving you crap for using @ in front of peoples nicks
May 15 19:21:38 <GeeksOnHugs> oh sorry lol
May 15 19:21:52 <GeeksOnHugs> t0mless not the documentation, I meant something that would...oh wait...I think I know
May 15 19:22:07 <t0mless> I think what you're looking for
May 15 19:22:10 <t0mless> is in the documentation
May 15 19:22:19 <pragma-> nope, it's probably in youtbue
May 15 19:22:27 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, I meant something where I could change it in a window and it changes the XML
May 15 19:22:57 <pragma-> needs video tutorial
May 15 19:23:08 <GeeksOnHugs> but it's prolly better  just to keep with straight XML so I learn it better
May 15 19:23:09 <t0mless> well... that's in eclipse
May 15 19:23:15 <t0mless> but it's stupid
May 15 19:23:31 <t0mless> you can list all the properties of a widget in the layout editor
May 15 19:23:41 <t0mless> but I greatly dislike the XML it generates
May 15 19:23:49 <GeeksOnHugs> i c
May 15 19:24:25 <t0mless> but knock yourself out
May 15 19:24:31 <t0mless> I think you just have to add the properties view somewhere
May 15 19:24:35 <t0mless> and you can go nuts
May 15 19:24:57 <t0mless> gotta shutdown for a HD swap to get info off a drive off my dead server that I need to fix my dead server
May 15 19:24:58 <GeeksOnHugs> Im basically using eclipse but it's been somewhat modified so not sure what is stock or not...I don't see it but it's OK, I'm gonna stick to hard core...I wanna be able to do this front to back in notepad lol
May 15 19:25:14 <t0mless> it's part of ADT plugin
May 15 19:25:21 <t0mless> so doesn't matter if you're using motodev
May 15 19:25:40 <DigitalKiwi> how would I change the background of a textview in an arrayAdapter? like if some items should be a left balloon and the rest should be a right balloon
May 15 19:25:43 <t0mless> but if you read the docs it lists all the properties
May 15 19:25:55 <GeeksOnHugs> sweet, thank you bro
May 15 19:26:09 <t0mless> DigitalKiwi you'd have to use your own adapter
May 15 19:26:14 <t0mless> custom adapter that is
May 15 19:26:28 <DigitalKiwi> oh
May 15 19:26:30 <t0mless> extend base adapter and override getView to return the appropriate textview
May 15 19:27:01 <Hopsy> okayy, who can help me to write an android application
May 15 19:27:08 <t0mless> d.android.com
May 15 19:27:18 <DigitalKiwi> how would i tell it when to use which balloon?
May 15 19:27:46 <t0mless> Check to see whatever conditions need to be met, and then return the appropriate textview
May 15 19:28:14 <t0mless> Are you making an i
May 15 19:28:18 <t0mless> iOS style chat?
May 15 19:28:56 <pragma-> inb4, sued by apple
May 15 19:28:57 <ceti331_> hah i wondered how many hoops i'd have to jump through before I can compile "hello world" on android
May 15 19:29:06 <ceti331_> its still downloading
May 15 19:29:25 <DigitalKiwi> i think handcent and even the default ones these days use balloons
May 15 19:29:38 <t0mless> Hopsy you could try freelancer.com or rentacoder.com
May 15 19:29:44 <xertoz> the emulator won't mock a coordinate when using geo fix over telnet -- am I missing something?
May 15 19:29:58 <t0mless> use ddms?
May 15 19:30:10 <EuroTrash> xertoz: will too!
May 15 19:30:17 <Hopsy> t0mless: why?
May 15 19:30:25 <EuroTrash> Note that it is geo fix lon lat and not geo fix lat lon
May 15 19:30:35 <Hopsy> I would to make by my self
May 15 19:30:44 <Hopsy> but the sdk doesnt work
May 15 19:30:46 <t0mless> then why did you ask who would do it for you
May 15 19:30:54 <t0mless> pretty sure the sdk works
May 15 19:31:10 <Hopsy> pretty sure it isnt
May 15 19:31:24 <Hopsy> atleast for me
May 15 19:31:26 <Hopsy> it isnt
May 15 19:31:44 <lab> user error
May 15 19:31:49 <t0mless> indeed
May 15 19:35:16 <xertoz> t0mless: seems I can't get it to work through ddms either
May 15 19:35:43 <xertoz> EuroTrash: the problem is that the last known location is always NULL; regardless of what I've told it to be.
May 15 19:36:18 <t0mless> wtf, why does my laptop want that nick so bad
May 15 19:36:23 <pragma-> I wasn't aware you could tell the device where to be.  Did we invent teleportation yet?
May 15 19:36:57 <t0mless> you can mock locations to it
May 15 19:37:06 <t0mless> i've never done it
May 15 19:37:08 <t0mless> but I hear you can
May 15 19:37:34 <pragma-> iirc, you have to enable that in the debug/development settings
May 15 19:37:43 <readme> pragma-: thanks for the common sense earlier. I wrote code to read the sqlite database and email it back to me
May 15 19:37:46 <t0mless> I believe you're right
May 15 19:37:49 <readme> this should shed some light on it
May 15 19:42:00 <xertoz> anyways, using http://nrby.eu/c/92 with the fine location permission & the location variable won't be non-null on the emulator wether or not I'm telling it to fix a coordinate.. works just fine on my physical device :/
May 15 19:42:43 <xertoz> I've enabled apps to recieve all location info in the emulator as well
May 15 19:42:49 <xertoz> (4.0)
May 15 19:43:31 <Sleepybear> did you go into the dev options and enable mock locations?
May 15 19:46:48 <readme> here it is, copy a sqlite database and email it :) https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-debug-helpers/blob/master/src/com/tomdignan/android/debughelper/DebugHelper.java
May 15 19:46:53 <xertoz> mock locations are enabled
May 15 19:49:18 <pragma-> readme: you should pull a JakeWharton and rename it from android-debug-helpers to tomdignan-android-debug-helpers and put your name in as many place as possible
May 15 19:50:13 * pragma- wishes Jake were here to hear that zing.
May 15 19:53:53 <readme> my name is already my github :)
May 15 19:54:15 <pragma-> readme: so you don't delete the database from the sdcard after you send it?
May 15 19:54:32 <readme> nah, because if it doesn't send or they have trouble with it, i'd prefer them to be able to go get it manually
May 15 19:55:06 * pragma- nods
May 15 19:58:01 <vekexasia> ghkgkj
May 15 19:58:51 <pragma-> vekexasia: you mispelled that
May 15 19:59:00 <vekexasia> nope :)
May 15 19:59:49 <vekexasia> eclipse is building workspace. I need to wait... What do you suggest I can do in the meanwhile ?
May 15 19:59:56 <pragma-> learn to spell
May 15 20:00:02 <Sleepybear> watch some porn
May 15 20:00:19 <vekexasia> lol
May 15 20:00:21 <p_l> vekexasia: earn money for a ram upgrade. Or go buy it already
May 15 20:00:54 <vekexasia> I already have 16Gig ... the problem seems to be Eclipse Indigo .... It also crashes quite often lol
May 15 20:01:03 <Exano> heh heh
May 15 20:01:14 <readme> vekexasia: document your code
May 15 20:01:14 * Exano has 1 gig on his netbook atm :(
May 15 20:01:42 * p_l has 4G. It's not enough to run Chrome ;)
May 15 20:01:44 <vekexasia> readme: good hint. The problem was that Eclipse frooze for 3 mins :P LOL
May 15 20:02:08 <readme> better keep a text editor open somewhere then
May 15 20:02:40 <vekexasia> noone is experiencing crashes with indigo ? on Win64 ? .... Just curiosity
May 15 20:02:51 <pragma-> s/eclipse/vim/ and s/chrome/firefox/ for a happier life
May 15 20:04:24 <ceti331_> arghhh sdk still downloading
May 15 20:04:41 <vekexasia> \me thinks he's the only one experiencing issues with eclipse indigo + win64
May 15 20:04:47 <vekexasia> FAIL!
May 15 20:05:00 <Ravenheart> works fine here
May 15 20:05:21 <mikedg> everyone has crashes with eclipse
May 15 20:05:30 <Exano> ^
May 15 20:05:37 <Exano> it decides when you havent saved in the longest point
May 15 20:05:41 <Exano> and then it'll crash
May 15 20:06:02 <Exano> its got AI
May 15 20:06:32 <vekexasia> well I'm CTRL+S addicted so it's not a pain in the ass in that way. The main problem is I get a crash very often... lets say once every hour at least
May 15 20:06:47 <g00s> adt has made eclipse crash, but i almost never have problems with eclipse / jdt
May 15 20:07:14 <canadiancow|work> increase the memory for eclipse
May 15 20:07:19 <canadiancow|work> eclipse is a pig
May 15 20:07:21 <canadiancow|work> dex is a pic
May 15 20:07:23 <canadiancow|work> aapt is a pig
May 15 20:07:29 <canadiancow|work> s/pic/pig/
May 15 20:07:37 <oGMo> i have never had a problem with eclipse
May 15 20:07:43 <oGMo> other than using it
May 15 20:07:44 <oGMo> :)
May 15 20:08:34 <vekexasia> lol oGMo :) ... Btw, I just discovered that if my fragment is empty it shows an indefinite progressbar instead of the fragment content ( Which is nice )
May 15 20:08:42 <g00s> all my eclipse stuff runs in 450 mb of memory :)
May 15 20:08:57 <g00s> i dont know what every is complaining about, except that it sucks :D
May 15 20:09:07 <vekexasia> oGMo:  how much memory size do you "recommend" ?
May 15 20:10:07 <oGMo> vekexasia: for what?
May 15 20:10:24 <ceti331_> can you develop for android using xcode on a mac
May 15 20:10:35 <ceti331_> or is eclipse the weapon of choice
May 15 20:10:43 <vekexasia> for compiling.. most apps
May 15 20:10:46 <ceti331_> can you build ok from the command line
May 15 20:11:03 <oGMo> vekexasia: oh, i dunno, but isn't ram cheap?
May 15 20:11:09 <g00s> this is a cool visualization on android http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3978304
May 15 20:11:09 <bubbleguuum> ah developers bitching about Eclipse, a classic.
May 15 20:11:25 <ceti331_> in my ideal world everything works from the commandline and IDE's are an optional ui over the top
May 15 20:11:26 <oGMo> i'm sadly down to 12GB in this box, but one of my sticks went bad
May 15 20:11:26 <g00s> bubbleguuum: an ide by developers, against developers
May 15 20:11:33 <EuroTrash> Eclipse isn't a bad idea but man, does it have some annoying qualities.
May 15 20:11:52 <EuroTrash> Like mine... throws an error about a missing tooltip like 20x a day.
May 15 20:11:56 <Exano> heh
May 15 20:11:59 <EuroTrash> I don't care if you can't display the tooltip!!!!
May 15 20:12:01 <Exano> dude it has some quirks
May 15 20:12:14 <Exano> but whats better :\
May 15 20:12:23 <vekexasia> LOL EuroTrash
May 15 20:12:38 <bubbleguuum> for a change: Eclipse is awesome
May 15 20:12:40 <vekexasia> I don't even know how to set the memory size for eclipse
May 15 20:13:00 <vekexasia> will google it in the next Eclipse freeze
May 15 20:13:12 <EuroTrash> vekexasia: you edit -Xmx in the ini file.
May 15 20:13:23 <EuroTrash> Man it sure is strange they didn't just add that to a preferences pane.
May 15 20:13:25 <t432> Anyboyd worked with jsonobjects? getting exception "org.json.exception expected : after match substrings"
May 15 20:13:31 <t432> what does that mean?
May 15 20:13:36 <moonlightcheese> so the lookup key value for contacts queries... i'm guessing the keys are tied to the phone itself and will change between devices?
May 15 20:13:38 <t432> matched*
May 15 20:13:40 <vekexasia> t432: use Google Gson
May 15 20:13:43 <vekexasia> saved my life once!
May 15 20:13:44 <moonlightcheese> so a key for a contact on one device would be different from that same contact on another phone, right?
May 15 20:13:54 <pragma-> vekexasia: what were you dying from?
May 15 20:14:08 <moonlightcheese> ContactsContract.Contacts.LOOKUP_KEY that is.
May 15 20:14:10 <EuroTrash> Gson isn't bad but I much prefer Jackson.
May 15 20:14:10 <t432> vekexasia: I have
May 15 20:14:29 <t432> not much info to gone
May 15 20:14:32 <t432> go on*
May 15 20:14:52 <vekexasia> pragma-: ? , t432: seems like your json is not well formed. Try to use jsonlint.com to see if that's the case
May 15 20:16:07 <vekexasia> EuroTrash: whats your value for -Xmx ?
May 15 20:16:57 <t432> vekexasia: here is the actual json content ... http://pastebin.com/hndSntS6
May 15 20:17:07 <EuroTrash> vekexasia: 1024
May 15 20:17:11 <EuroTrash> On 8GB of RAM
May 15 20:17:25 <EuroTrash> 1024M that is
May 15 20:18:05 <t432> vekexasia: JSON is valid
May 15 20:18:34 <ceti331_> its a shame JSON doens't allow unquoted keys
May 15 20:18:55 <vekexasia> ceti331_: I think it does.
May 15 20:19:11 <ceti331_> officially it really doesnt, but i imagine many parsers would relax that - i would
May 15 20:19:20 <vekexasia> t432: are you sure you're not receiving some null characters?
May 15 20:19:58 <vekexasia> ceti331_: we just need to test if it works on IE. If it does then it's wrong!
May 15 20:20:03 <ceti331_> i've seen people complain about calling the format with unquoted keys "JSON"
May 15 20:20:35 <t432> vekexasia: What does the exception mean?
May 15 20:20:36 <vekexasia> well I always suppoused that was a "bad practice" ....
May 15 20:20:39 <ceti331_> when I read "GSON", i wondered if google had decided to allow unquoted keys and specified "GSON" :)
May 15 20:21:15 <ceti331_> i would be curious, who here has used JSON reading libraries, and do they allow unquoted keys?
May 15 20:21:20 <vekexasia> did you get the exact point where the parser fails ?
May 15 20:21:49 <vekexasia> ceti331_: well I work mainly as a webdev and I believe that unquoted keys works almost everywhere
May 15 20:22:12 <EuroTrash> ceti331_: I'm not really aware, as I serialize and deserialize programmatically pretty much all the time.
May 15 20:22:19 <EuroTrash> I.e. map
May 15 20:22:23 <ceti331_> thats reassuring to hear. i guess most implementers think , "its much nicer!!" and support it anyway
May 15 20:23:20 <ceti331_> anyone know of any JSON formats for 3d model data?
May 15 20:23:41 <XMPPwocky> ceti331_: ... that is a terrible idea.
May 15 20:23:44 <ceti331_> why
May 15 20:23:49 <ceti331_> i mean for interchange
May 15 20:23:58 <ceti331_> not compiled
May 15 20:24:29 <t432> here is the actual code... http://pastebin.com/Y8esB4D6
May 15 20:24:54 <ceti331_> [1] many 3d packages allow a dynamic langauge to walk the scenes and [2] dynamic languages usually support JSON [1]&[2] make me think it would be nice to have an interchange format in JSON
May 15 20:25:11 <ceti331_> can't be as bad an idea as XML
May 15 20:25:33 <vekexasia> haha t432
May 15 20:25:35 <vekexasia> thats why
May 15 20:25:41 <vekexasia> FOA: you're not using GSON
May 15 20:25:54 <t432> I told you I'm using JSON
May 15 20:26:11 <vekexasia> 2nd: the bugged line is JSONArray jsonVals = new JSONArray(predictions.getString("predictions"));
May 15 20:26:14 <vekexasia> on line 30
May 15 20:26:25 <vekexasia> you should use predictions.getJSONArray
May 15 20:26:32 <vekexasia> or something similar. Let me google that for oyu
May 15 20:27:08 <vekexasia> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/json/JSONObject.html#getJSONArray(java.lang.String)
May 15 20:29:07 <vekexasia> t432: does my suggestion work for you ?
May 15 20:32:24 <t432> vekexasia: Nope, changed the offending line to JSONArray jsonVals = predictions.getJSONArray("predictions");
May 15 20:32:30 <t432> but same exception
May 15 20:32:55 <vekexasia> t432: which line?
May 15 20:33:20 <vekexasia> EuroTrash: how much megabytes do you have for Xms ?
May 15 20:33:23 <t432> line 30
May 15 20:33:37 <EuroTrash> vekexasia: dunno, mostly don't care :P
May 15 20:33:51 <EuroTrash> I.e. default
May 15 20:33:56 <vekexasia> do you know what does that parameter do?
May 15 20:34:15 <EuroTrash> It sets the minimum heap size, i.e. the amount of memory it starts with.
May 15 20:34:31 <vekexasia> ok so useless :P
May 15 20:34:31 <vekexasia> lol
May 15 20:34:48 <EuroTrash> Eclipse being Eclipse, it'll probably use that for a nanosecond or 2 and then start binging :P
May 15 20:35:01 <vekexasia> t432:
May 15 20:35:07 <vekexasia> can you nopaste the whole code?
May 15 20:35:13 <t432> sure
May 15 20:36:40 <t432> vekexasia: http://pastebin.com/ea7QY981
May 15 20:37:02 <vekexasia> line 30 looks like this to me                                         JSONObject predictions = new JSONObject(bos.toString());
May 15 20:38:18 <vekexasia> your while is wrong
May 15 20:38:27 <vekexasia> from line 21 to line 27
May 15 20:38:46 <vekexasia> use EntityUtils.toString(httpGet);
May 15 20:38:55 <vekexasia> should give the result in string.
May 15 20:39:30 <Sleepybear> I don't believe EntityUtils is available in Android
May 15 20:39:43 <vekexasia> Sleepybear: i'm using it ...
May 15 20:39:50 <Sleepybear> built in?
May 15 20:39:56 <vekexasia> I believe so....
May 15 20:40:09 <Sleepybear> or including the java.commons or whatever it is
May 15 20:40:20 <vekexasia> Looks like its there since api 1 http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/util/EntityUtils.html
May 15 20:40:22 <Zharf> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/util/EntityUtils.html
May 15 20:40:36 <t432> its line 32 in new pastebin
May 15 20:40:52 <Sleepybear> hrm, must be thinking of something else
May 15 20:41:21 <t432> vekexasia: HttpGet is fine
May 15 20:41:25 <vekexasia> t432: use getJSONObject instead of get
May 15 20:41:27 <akoustik> is it the case that any device with android 3.1+ can run as a USB host, at least with an OTG adapter? i'm having a hard time determining this for most devices i see.
May 15 20:42:02 <t432> vekexasia: what line are you refering to?
May 15 20:42:18 <vekexasia> 34
May 15 20:42:24 <vekexasia> plus i believe you should replace
May 15 20:42:32 <vekexasia> from line 19 to line 27
May 15 20:42:53 <vekexasia> with String responseData = EntityUtils.toString(httpGet);
May 15 20:43:07 <vekexasia> than use new JSONObject(responseData)
May 15 20:43:26 <akoustik> and how can i determine if a given device's audio jack supports both input and output?
May 15 20:43:41 <vekexasia> akoustik: i'd be interested in that too
May 15 20:44:31 <akoustik> yeah, it seems like some specs list the jack as being in/out, while some devices that (i think) support in/out list only output capability.
May 15 20:44:35 <Sleepybear> are there any android devices with a 3.5mm jack that isn't a 3pin stereo out and mic in?
May 15 20:44:51 <akoustik> that's what i'm asking. i'm pretty sure there are...
May 15 20:44:58 <Sleepybear> I've never seen one
May 15 20:45:02 <akoustik> like, isn't the kindle fire audio jack output only?
May 15 20:45:17 <Sleepybear> never even touched one of those, so dunno about that
May 15 20:45:20 <vekexasia> kindle fire isn't evene Android :P
May 15 20:45:27 <Sleepybear> uhh
May 15 20:45:29 <Sleepybear> yea it is
May 15 20:45:36 <akoustik> vekexasia: well... actually it is. a forked version of 2.2
May 15 20:45:36 <vekexasia> yes but very limited
May 15 20:45:40 <vekexasia> basically it's not
May 15 20:45:59 <vekexasia> but that's only an example
May 15 20:46:11 <vekexasia> maybe some of the newer 90$ tablets coming out
May 15 20:46:13 <vekexasia> won't be using i/o jacks
May 15 20:46:23 <akoustik> yeah see that's kinda what i'm thinking.
May 15 20:46:50 <akoustik> basically, for my project, i need some tablet that's capable of external audio input in some form.
May 15 20:47:17 <Sleepybear> well, even if it's not an i/o jack, don't they all have a built in mic somewhere?
May 15 20:47:19 <akoustik> whether through usb host or aux input, doesn't really matter, but i'm having a hard time figuring it out for most devices... blurgh
May 15 20:47:49 <akoustik> yeah, and i'm looking for those devices separately. for our application, we strongly prefer a higher quality audio input than most onboard mics are going to provide.
May 15 20:47:49 <Sleepybear> and even then, it shouldn't matter, except with like usb or bluetooth
May 15 20:50:17 <akoustik> so yeah, we need a device that has either usb host capability, or external audio input. i have the asus slider as top choice, but it's a little costly for us. anyone have better suggestions?
May 15 20:52:31 <anelrh26> Hi, Can anybody help me with a issue that I have with the webview on Android ICS? I'm trying to load an url with https but it has a certificate that is untrusted for the browser, so it doesn't load the page even doesn't show to the user an alert if he wants to continue like a normal browser
May 15 20:52:58 <luxurymode> how do i set drawableTop of an imagebutton programatically?
May 15 20:53:27 <EvilPenguin> am i missing something? is there not a google tv emulator for os x?
May 15 20:55:11 <vekexasia> lol I love people asking help and when you actually help them they don't even thank
May 15 20:55:37 <EvilPenguin> such is life vekexasia :)
May 15 20:55:56 <readme> thats why you shouldnt help people who dont seem like they at least put some effort into their question
May 15 20:56:08 <vekexasia> right EvilPenguin ....
May 15 20:56:12 <anelrh26> I can thank if anyone help me with my issue :P
May 15 20:56:33 <EvilPenguin> i dont understand why im not seeing the google-tv addon :(
May 15 20:56:35 <EvilPenguin> stupid eclipse.
May 15 20:56:40 <jalmeida> hello , i have a doubt.  Exist a rtree to index game objects
May 15 20:56:46 <readme> anelrh26: hm, I'm not sure about whether you can trust certs in webview like that.
May 15 20:56:56 <readme> anelrh26: you *can* with HttpClient, though.
May 15 20:57:08 <pcboy_> Hi guys. Anyone doing android dev with scala? I have a hard time to make the android Logger shows anything. I just do a Log.e("activity", "test"), and nothing appears on the logcat. I suppose it's because I need a debug flag at compil time but I'm not sure. Any ideas?
May 15 20:57:29 <ctate> canadiancow|work: ping
May 15 20:57:32 <vekexasia> anelrh26: I'll suggest to buy a trusted certificate. On my blog here http://www.andreabaccega.com/blog/2010/09/23/android-root-certification-authorities-list/ you'll be able t o find the command list to issue on your terminal in order to get the whole list as I did
May 15 20:57:35 <vekexasia> in 2010
May 15 20:57:36 <Sleepybear> you don't need debug flag to send to logcat
May 15 20:57:42 <anelrh26> readme: I can load with a HttpClient but no in a webview
May 15 20:57:52 <pcboy_> Sleepybear: That's what I wanted to know.
May 15 20:58:03 <pcboy_> Ok, so you have an idea where the problem is?
May 15 20:58:11 <readme> anelrh26: depending on the complexity of the page you're accessing, you might just use HttpClient and then load the data into the webview.
May 15 20:58:25 <readme> you don't have to use webview to make the requests. that's optional.
May 15 20:58:27 <Sleepybear> you sure you're not filtering your logcat
May 15 20:58:42 <vekexasia> readme: that would be a pain in the ass... more pain if the page has some subpages
May 15 20:58:42 <pcboy_> Sleepybear: Nope. Just doing "adb logcat" in a term.
May 15 20:58:47 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6511434/android-webview-setcertificate-issues-ssl-problems
May 15 20:58:50 <readme> try this code
May 15 20:58:59 <Sleepybear> not sure why it's not showing up then
May 15 20:59:01 <readme> at least, try to base your idea off it. it seems broken.
May 15 20:59:03 <anelrh26> let me check
May 15 20:59:10 <Sleepybear> pfn might know, he uses scala
May 15 20:59:22 <pcboy_> pfn: ping
May 15 21:00:04 <pfn> what?
May 15 21:00:34 <pcboy_> pfn: Why my logging is not appearing in the logcat? I'm using Logcat.e("activity", "message") in my scala code and it doesn't show up.
May 15 21:00:42 <pcboy_> I'm sure I'm passing in this code.
May 15 21:00:45 <pfn> then your code isn't executing
May 15 21:00:54 <readme> pcboy_: um, isn't it Log.e
May 15 21:00:56 <pcboy_> Nope, my code is doing an http request, and I can see it.
May 15 21:01:07 <pcboy_> readme: Uh yeah Log.e my mistake.
May 15 21:01:18 <readme> often you don't see stuff in logcat just because you need to restart eclipse
May 15 21:01:22 <readme> or because the screen lock is on
May 15 21:01:25 <pcboy_> I'm not using eclipse.
May 15 21:01:29 <readme> or the usb cable isn't plugged in tightly
May 15 21:01:33 <readme> are you using adb logcat?
May 15 21:01:36 <pcboy_> Yeah
May 15 21:01:43 <readme> do you see other messages?
May 15 21:01:45 <pcboy_> Yeah
May 15 21:01:53 <pfn> that code isn't executing, all there is to it
May 15 21:01:54 <readme> oh, then it sounds like you may have a bonafide problem.
May 15 21:01:59 <anelrh26> readme: yes the think is that I'm doing a hybrid application so definitely I have to use an webView for the entire app, so the HttpClient is no a good idea. But let my try your link thanks
May 15 21:02:02 <pcboy_> pfn: I can see the requests on my server..
May 15 21:02:05 <pfn> using scala doesn't mean your logcat will stop working
May 15 21:02:13 <pfn> then you're not running the code you think you're running
May 15 21:02:14 <readme> anelrh26: fix the ssl cert on the server side
May 15 21:02:17 <readme> don't use crappy ssl certs
May 15 21:02:23 <readme> it is an important part of infrastructure.
May 15 21:02:28 <pcboy_> pfn: I know. I was just wondering if there is a compilation issue (like a debug flag to add otherwise Log doesn't show anything)
May 15 21:02:45 <pfn> no, there isn't
May 15 21:03:12 <anelrh26> what do you mean with crappy ssl certs?
May 15 21:03:29 <readme> anelrh26: i mean certs that aren't trusted by modern browsers
May 15 21:03:48 <readme> if your stuff isn't being trusted by the webview, you are probably using a third rate CA
May 15 21:05:00 * readme spent a week trying to get a certificate to validate once, and it only did on certain android versions even though I provided my own with the bouncy castle jar.
May 15 21:05:02 <anelrh26> yes you're right. But why the webview doesnt have the option to continue even if it doest trust?
May 15 21:05:15 <readme> I don't know, ask the developers
May 15 21:05:26 <readme> maybe it does
May 15 21:05:28 <readme> afaik it doesn't
May 15 21:05:36 <pfn> why use a webview anyway
May 15 21:05:50 <pfn> and installing your own ssl trust manager is easy
May 15 21:05:51 <pcboy_> pfn: I've put the Log.e() at the first line of the onCreate(). Doesn't work.
May 15 21:06:00 <readme> In a webview, pfn?
May 15 21:06:09 <readme> I know how to do it with httpclient, but not with a webview.
May 15 21:06:31 <pfn> no, for arbitrary ssl
May 15 21:06:33 <t432> vekexasia: voila!
May 15 21:06:39 <t432> vekexasia: Thanks
May 15 21:06:43 <pfn> for a webview, it seems like a pain, maybe if you setCertificate to something signed by the same ca
May 15 21:06:43 <readme> pfn: like, global?
May 15 21:06:43 <vekexasia> t432: lol
May 15 21:06:55 <vekexasia> i was just talking about you didn't thank me :P
May 15 21:06:57 <pfn> readme, no
May 15 21:07:09 <t432> sorry got disconnected
May 15 21:07:10 <pfn> anyway, ignore my statement, about being easy, it's inapplicable to webview
May 15 21:07:26 <pfn> try setCertificate in the webview to a client cert signed by the CA that signs the server cert
May 15 21:07:39 <pfn> that may be ok to make webview trust the server
May 15 21:07:49 <t432> Thats all for today.
May 15 21:07:52 <t432> I'm out
May 15 21:07:55 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/Android-OpenCNAM-Library/tree/master/android-opencnam-library/src/com/tomdignan/android/opencnam/library/ssl
May 15 21:08:02 <readme> that about covers it for httpclient ssl strategies
May 15 21:08:03 <t432> vekexasia: Thanks again
May 15 21:08:11 <t432> hope thats clear :)
May 15 21:08:11 <readme> turns out, most of them don't work on all devices.
May 15 21:08:17 <vekexasia> lol no need. Glad to know you solved
May 15 21:08:19 <readme> at least for the crap cert I was using.
May 15 21:08:34 <pfn> readme, sounds like a pain, couldn't you just specify your own sslsocketfactory for httpclient?
May 15 21:08:47 <readme> thats what i do
May 15 21:08:56 <readme> there are few different ways to write the factory
May 15 21:09:00 <pfn> readme, that generally works across all devices
May 15 21:09:12 <pfn> I have no issues with setting an sslsocketfactory and making it work across all devices so far
May 15 21:09:14 <Sleepybear> I love it when my system restore points totally disappear
May 15 21:09:16 <pfn> at least no user reported errors
May 15 21:09:17 <readme> the only solution I found that worked across all my test devices was trusting the SSL blindly
May 15 21:09:27 <readme> any time I tried to validate the cert, it only worked on some devices.
May 15 21:09:33 <pfn> ah, I see
May 15 21:09:41 <pfn> that's interesting, what was the failure mode?
May 15 21:09:54 <readme> so I've got basically 3 versions: trust the ssl in addition to the existing certs, trust only the self provided cert, or trust all
May 15 21:10:14 <readme> I don't remember exactly, it was probably a untrusted exception
May 15 21:10:19 <readme> it was like 5 weeks ago now
May 15 21:10:40 <readme> anyway, i only went down this road because I was working with a cert that was out of my hands, and they've since upgraded it :)
May 15 21:10:40 <anelrh26> that's what I need!! that the webview trust all the certificates
May 15 21:10:59 <readme> my solution: trust all in HttpClient then load data into webview.
May 15 21:11:00 <pfn> readme, shoulda just hosted your webservice on appengine, then you wouldn't need to go through this pita
May 15 21:11:14 <readme> anelrh26: you can override url loading with WebView client
May 15 21:11:14 <anelrh26> I tried that readme
May 15 21:11:16 <readme> yeah it wasn't my service.
May 15 21:11:20 <pfn> indeed
May 15 21:11:31 <anelrh26> and it loads perfect
May 15 21:12:03 <anelrh26> but when I click on an url on the webview, I have the same error problem
May 15 21:12:21 <readme> anelrh26: _override_ _url_ _loading_
May 15 21:12:26 <readme> how many times have I said that now
May 15 21:12:43 <readme> see WebViewClient
May 15 21:13:34 <anelrh26> I got it! what you are saying readme. Thanks a lot!!! :P
May 15 21:13:39 <readme> :)
May 15 21:13:53 <anelrh26> I'm going to try this again
May 15 21:14:13 <anelrh26> THANKS ANYBODY THAT HELP ME WITH THIS
May 15 21:21:24 <orospakr> I notice that some apps, upon handling an intent for an activity, will replace any existing instances of that activity with the new one. how does one do that?
May 15 21:22:24 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP
May 15 21:22:27 <readme> orospakr: ^
May 15 21:22:50 <anelrh26> Hey readme I tried the HTTPClient and load the content with webview.loadData... It trust the certificate perfectly but it seems that the CSS of the page are turn off. Do you know something about this?
May 15 21:24:10 <pfn> because it doesn't know where to find assets
May 15 21:25:22 <readme> anelrh26: get jsoup, use it to parse the dom
May 15 21:25:28 <readme> traverse all the link tags and download the CSS yourself
May 15 21:25:55 <readme> I know this is getting ridiculous huh :)
May 15 21:26:12 <anelrh26> mmm that sounds pretty wild :S
May 15 21:26:17 <readme> jsoup is easy
May 15 21:27:02 <anelrh26> mm ok, let me search for it, thanks
May 15 21:30:04 <orospakr> readme, aha, thank you.  That got me pointed in just the right direction. :D
May 15 21:30:06 <orospakr> cheers.
May 15 21:34:48 <vekexasia> anelrh26: buy a certificate! :p
May 15 21:36:25 <gaz`> can anyone tell me if theres an android gui component like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWNpZhAccrM&feature=youtu.be?
May 15 21:36:42 <canadiancow|work> a viewpager?
May 15 21:36:46 <gaz`> its like a gui at the bottom shows current position and u can skip left and right
May 15 21:36:49 <gaz`> oh yeh?
May 15 21:36:58 <gaz`> havent used one yet does it have the indicator?
May 15 21:37:13 <gaz`> ill look into it thanks
May 15 21:37:13 <canadiancow|work> i doubt it
May 15 21:37:36 <gaz`> guess its easy to make my own
May 15 21:37:40 <evancharlton> you can add one easily
May 15 21:38:16 <gaz`> how would u add one evancharlton ? just use imageviews and change the image according to an index?
May 15 21:38:29 <p_l> hmm... can you load your own chosen certificate for HTTPS calls? And *only* that certificate as trusted?
May 15 21:41:53 <p_l> hmm... appears it works, but I have to manually connect and pass the socket to HTTP class
May 15 21:42:14 <anelrh26> to vekexasia I can buy one, because it's not my certificate is for my client that has a self-signed certificate and it's not trusted by the browser
May 15 21:42:26 <vekexasia> well it's normal
May 15 21:42:42 <vekexasia> do you need a list of trusted ca's?
May 15 21:43:00 <evancharlton> gaz`: spend five seconds looking at docs, please
May 15 21:43:15 <anelrh26> that will be helpful, yes
May 15 21:43:35 <gaz`> k
May 15 21:44:23 <vekexasia> http://www.andreabaccega.com/blog/2010/09/23/android-root-certification-authorities-list/
May 15 21:44:58 <vekexasia> In that blog post I also wrote the commands to get that list
May 15 21:46:27 <anelrh26> and sorry to ask, but I'm not very familar with ssl. But how can help me this list?
May 15 21:46:45 <anelrh26> with the certificates sorry
May 15 21:47:05 <vekexasia> anelrh26:
May 15 21:47:15 <vekexasia> HTTPS works basically this way.
May 15 21:47:26 <vekexasia> - your browser ask for the certificate
May 15 21:48:04 <vekexasia> - The server gives a fingerprint ( I think ) and it tells your browser which "CA" ( Certification Authority ) issued that Certificate
May 15 21:48:19 <vekexasia> - Your browser goes to the CA and asks them to validate the certificate
May 15 21:48:28 <vekexasia> but
May 15 21:48:44 <vekexasia> If the server answers with an unknown CA for the browser
May 15 21:49:01 <vekexasia> the browser will stop the process immediately
May 15 21:49:13 <vekexasia> self signed ceritificates uses a custom CA
May 15 21:49:34 <vekexasia> so you need a CA which is present in android ( Android knows it )
May 15 21:49:45 <vekexasia> then you go to them and you buy a certificate
May 15 21:49:53 <vekexasia> i recommend GoDaddy
May 15 21:50:00 <Zharf> really
May 15 21:50:18 <vekexasia> They issue https certificates and they don't cost too much
May 15 21:50:25 <pfn> startssl.com
May 15 21:50:26 <Zharf> would you really trust someone calling themselves "godaddy"
May 15 21:50:27 <pfn> free ssl certificates
May 15 21:50:35 <Zharf> the whole CA business is just flawed
May 15 21:50:38 <vekexasia> pfn lol ?
May 15 21:51:00 <vekexasia> well sorry guys I didn't know I always used Godaddy :(
May 15 21:51:14 <p_l> anelrh26: basically, the browser needs to know if it can *trust* the certificate to state the truth. It has access to a list of trusted certificates, and has to backtrack using signatures to one of them, or consider the certificate untrusted
May 15 21:52:03 <p_l> each certificate can be signed by another certificate, which means that the holder of the signing certificate is a "witness" to validity of signed cert
May 15 21:52:52 <evancharlton> SSL is probably one of the dumbest wide-scale systems I've ever seen
May 15 21:52:59 <vekexasia> pfn: is startssl ca availabel in android?
May 15 21:53:03 <pfn> yes
May 15 21:53:09 <pfn> iirc
May 15 21:53:17 <pfn> startssl is available on most everything now
May 15 21:53:31 <vekexasia> http://www.andreabaccega.com/blog/2010/09/23/android-root-certification-authorities-list/
May 15 21:53:35 <vekexasia> on 2010
May 15 21:53:36 <p_l> evancharlton: all systems are broken
May 15 21:53:39 <p_l> bbl
May 15 21:53:41 <vekexasia> it was not
May 15 21:54:09 <vekexasia> hmm maybe startcom = startssl?
May 15 21:54:15 <pfn> yes, startcom is startssl
May 15 21:54:28 <vekexasia> lol so i'm the only dumb to buy ssl certificates?
May 15 21:54:44 <pfn> no, you should buy ssl certs if you're doing something beyond basic encryption
May 15 21:54:55 <pfn> e.g. any commerce should be protected over a stronger, identified cert
May 15 21:55:35 <anelrh26> jumm!! thanks guys for your help I really appreciate it.
May 15 21:55:59 <vekexasia> lol well.. that's a nice one thanks pfn...
May 15 21:56:14 <orospakr> hey, if my app contains only a single activity, and it has added (using fragment transactions) a bunch of back stack entries, and then it fires off startActivity() with an Intent handled by itself with the FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP flag, will my fragment transaction backstack entries be lost or kept?
May 15 21:56:34 <orospakr> it would be awesome if they were kept. :)
May 15 21:57:58 <vorwaerts> is there a way to do this in java: $array = array("string1" => array("string2", "string3", "string4"));? maybe with a map?
May 15 21:59:18 <evancharlton> Map<String,List<String>>
May 15 21:59:34 <evancharlton> vorwaerts: I'm going to remind you once more that this is not #how-do-i-java
May 15 21:59:51 <vorwaerts> is there a channel?
May 15 21:59:55 <evancharlton> ##java
May 15 22:01:50 <vorwaerts> thank you
May 15 22:03:40 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: with me helping you today you are still stuck on that.
May 15 22:03:46 <EvilPenguin> i smell you know nothing about java or programming :/
May 15 22:08:05 <mcmlxxix> anyone got an idea what GradientDrawable()s need to play nicely in terms of .setColor() and .setStroke() ?
May 15 22:08:34 <mcmlxxix> It seemed relatively simple when I started implementing, but now I'm crashing and/or just plain not seeing color changes
May 15 22:11:02 <vorwaerts> EvilPenguin im about to learn it :)
May 15 22:13:55 <HeWhoWas> Hey all, am I in the right place to talk about kernel issues?
May 15 22:15:35 <HeWhoWas> I'm attempting to see what I can do with a Toshiba Thrive and an updated kernel - but I don't have any info on the Tegra2 chip, because Nvidia is an asshole.
May 15 22:16:06 <HeWhoWas> Was wondering if anyone knows of any devices based on the same/similar Tegra2 chip? Google is not yielding results.
May 15 22:16:47 <HeWhoWas> Stamp on the chip ID's it as A09B350
May 15 22:16:59 <ctate> you want #android-root
May 15 22:17:14 <HeWhoWas> Ah. Thanks :-)
May 15 22:19:54 <j0p> hello. i have a coded layout (no xml, since i have to build it runtime) and i need to persist it on screen rotation. i tryed putSparseParcelableArray/restoreHierarchyState in onSaveInstanceState/onRestoreInstanceState but it doesnt work with this layout. any help please ?
May 15 22:22:08 <j0p> i have set an id (setId) on all the views but it's still not working
May 15 22:22:18 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: about to learn it and your taking on hard tasks.
May 15 22:22:26 <EvilPenguin> vorwaerts: a hello world might be easier.
May 15 22:22:27 <EvilPenguin> :P
May 15 22:33:47 <kg020> Hi, I've got a question: how do you make a layout a child of another layout?
May 15 22:36:25 <Ologn> Just upgraded to Ubuntu 12.04
May 15 22:37:00 <storkme> i find the whole idea of upgrading an ubuntu system rather quaint
May 15 22:38:31 <readme> why
May 15 22:38:59 <readme> i assume you mean that sarcastically.. i use ubuntu as my primary email server and it rocks.
May 15 22:39:16 <EvilPenguin> Ologn: im installing 11.10 right now ;/
May 15 22:39:24 <EvilPenguin> lol slowly getting there for the stupid GoogleTV...
May 15 22:39:33 <storkme> i haven't used ubuntu server for a while, th edesktop version seems to have gotten progressively worse
May 15 22:39:38 <pfn> i only aosp would build on 12.04
May 15 22:39:44 <readme> yeah, the desktop version is lol
May 15 22:39:45 <readme> :)
May 15 22:39:47 <readme> I use mint
May 15 22:39:50 <pfn> s/i/if
May 15 22:39:57 <orospakr> I run gnome-shell on ubuntu.
May 15 22:40:02 <EvilPenguin> i use gentoo when forced to use linux :/
May 15 22:40:50 <storkme> i'd probably use arch if i had the time to play with it
May 15 22:41:03 <EvilPenguin> yeah arch is good if your lazy :P
May 15 22:41:18 <pfn> wanna try out this xmonad thing
May 15 22:41:21 <EvilPenguin> i like messing with my flags :)
May 15 22:41:33 <mcmlxxix> regarding my earlier setColor and setStroke issue, does anyone know of a workaround for the bug that causes drawables to be cast to ColorDrawable for no apparent reason?
May 15 22:42:03 <storkme> i don't; i have a job :p
May 15 22:42:21 <EvilPenguin> so do i :) here right now installing ubuntu :(
May 15 22:42:27 <EvilPenguin> stupid googletv.
May 15 22:42:47 <readme> arch is a pain. you have to mess with the pacnew/pacold stuff in etc.
May 15 22:42:59 <Ologn> One problem with Ubuntu is their upstreams hate them...first they pissed off the Debian guys, then the Gnome guys...so who is going to fix those tough Gnome or fd.o problems when Ubuntu runs into them.  Because everyone at Canonical working in those departments is clueless.
May 15 22:43:01 <readme> pacdiffs
May 15 22:43:04 <readme> no thanks
May 15 22:43:29 <readme> I used it for a year or so. not for me.
May 15 22:43:45 <EvilPenguin> ill stick with my os x :)
May 15 22:44:02 <storkme> linux is a pain all round
May 15 22:44:18 <EvilPenguin> i dont get why google wont update the emulator for os x or winblows.
May 15 22:44:25 <storkme> a lot of it is just the blind leading the blind
May 15 22:45:57 <Ologn> I've been using Unix since 1989, on the desktop since 1994 or so...it's gotten a lot better in many ways.  No more LILO, messing with the X11 config file, making the kernel with make mrlinux etc.
May 15 22:46:19 <EuroTrash> Linux is a pain, just slightly less so than OSX or Windows.
May 15 22:47:09 <readme> my non technical girlfriend was able to install linux mint and use it without problems
May 15 22:47:30 <EvilPenguin> minty fresh
May 15 22:47:35 <EvilPenguin> even noobs can do it
May 15 22:47:43 <storkme> disagree; windows 'just works' as a development, gaming, andweb browsing machine for me. No messing around with awful packaging systems, dodgy drivers, etc. you just install it and it works
May 15 22:47:57 <EvilPenguin> i hate windows :)
May 15 22:47:59 <storkme> it requires almost no effort in setup and configuration
May 15 22:48:05 <EuroTrash> Windows kills my workflow.
May 15 22:48:32 <EvilPenguin> storkme: sounds like osx to me and i get icloud.
May 15 22:48:37 <storkme> i couldn't live without the window management in windows, the whole windows key + arrow stuff
May 15 22:48:40 <evancharlton> yeah, windows has a great packaging system
May 15 22:48:41 <EuroTrash> Poor shell, poor window management, stupid update policies
May 15 22:48:53 <evancharlton> just install random exe, msi, zip, or other bullshit in a global namespace
May 15 22:49:33 <storkme> evancharlton: andit just works! no fucking around with dependencies, no hunting down missing files, it'sjust done
May 15 22:49:53 <EuroTrash> storkme: until you need to upgrade and every silly app has its own mechanism.
May 15 22:50:20 <linuxuz3r_> what size of wallpaper should be on qhd?
May 15 22:50:23 <linuxuz3r_> anyone
May 15 22:50:25 <storkme> still beats the hell out of compiling from source :p
May 15 22:50:25 <linuxuz3r_> please
May 15 22:50:39 <EuroTrash> storkme: I rarely do that, but when I have to, at least I have the option :)
May 15 22:50:54 <EuroTrash> It's not 1998 anymore.
May 15 22:51:14 <readme> storkme: yeah, it just works to install a trojan and add your computer to a botnet.
May 15 22:51:22 <readme> linux has peer review going for it
May 15 22:51:32 <readme> you know that if your package is in the repos, others would raise a red flag if it was malicious
May 15 22:51:36 <storkme> peer review by other idiots
May 15 22:51:54 <Ologn> Linux kernel really hasn't had many driver issues for a while...nowadays they're even ahead of the curve on stuff that hasn't come out in the mainstream, or at all...the distribution packaging can be a problem.  The last real hiccup was 802.11 stuff a few years ago.
May 15 22:52:06 <readme> storkme: uh, no.
May 15 22:52:20 <EuroTrash> If a driver exists, it's often much easier to "install" it in Linux.
May 15 22:52:29 <EuroTrash> I.e. load
May 15 22:52:44 <readme> I actually find getting hardware to work easier on linux, provided it has a driver available, which is more hardware older than 6 months.
May 15 22:52:59 <storkme> i have had enough trouble with badly maintained packages in various linux flavours; the open source dream has been shatteredfor me
May 15 22:53:15 <readme> you must not be using the popular ones
May 15 22:53:30 <readme> the less used packages sure might have issues, i'll admit that
May 15 22:53:34 <Ologn> storkme: It depends what the project is.  Some projects are run by really sharp people.  Some projects - well, the poppler library (PDF rendering) is run by nice guys, but the code base it runs on is garbage, and the maintainers don't have a lot of time
May 15 22:53:35 <storkme> ubuntu and arch were the two i had problems with
May 15 22:53:37 <readme> but as a linux user
May 15 22:53:44 <EuroTrash> Open source isn't a dream for me, maybe that makes me more realistic :D
May 15 22:53:46 <readme> it's your duty to report the bug, or try to fix it.
May 15 22:53:54 <storkme> readme: exactly
May 15 22:54:34 <readme> but that doesn't justify an argument against the security of a peer reviewed and centralized repository for preventing malware installation.
May 15 22:54:35 <Ologn> Then on the other hand, poppler depends on cairo, a 2D graphics library which is well done, and is just getting better and better
May 15 22:54:41 <readme> it just justifies your personal distastes with GNU/Linux
May 15 22:55:19 <storkme> when did i ever talk about malware? it's never been a problem for me; I use a virus scanner and onl install peer reviewed software
May 15 22:56:20 <storkme> now you're going to tell me "how is it peer reviewed if it isn't open source?" to which i'll reply "when was the last time you read the source code of something before you installed it"
May 15 22:56:22 <Ologn> I mean Windows - does it come with a CD/DVD you can wipe and reinstall the system with?  It did in 1995 and before, then they started putting out these OEM reinstall CDs...what garbage
May 15 22:56:42 <Ologn> I can't even wipe and reinstall my own system...garbage, garbage OS
May 15 22:56:48 <readme> storkme: 18:51 < storkme> peer review by other idiots
May 15 22:56:48 <EuroTrash> Don't get me started on optical media.
May 15 22:56:56 <readme> that's what I was referring to.
May 15 22:56:59 <EuroTrash> They're just so awkward.
May 15 22:57:17 <readme> you're discrediting an entire community of competent developers who put a lot of effort into this stuff.
May 15 22:57:44 <storkme> i wasn't talking about malicious softwar but broken software - packages with missing files, config files that don't work, no documentation, that sort of thing
May 15 22:57:48 <readme> and also putting words in my mouth, at the same time. asserting that you know what I will say next.
May 15 22:58:01 <Ologn> Maybe what storkme meant by that is the Ruby on Rails community
May 15 22:58:05 <EuroTrash> storkme: the question I have is not "how is it peer reviewed if it isn't open source?" but "do you really think your Binary Package Inspectors aren't idiots?" :D
May 15 22:58:08 <storkme> well that is what you were gonnna say isn't it :p ?
May 15 22:58:14 <readme> no
May 15 22:58:28 <storkme> well in that case we have no problem here
May 15 22:58:31 <readme> a binary can be peer reviewed just as fine. if a cpu can read it, a human can read it.
May 15 22:58:59 <ctate> my copy of Windows 7 came with a wipe-and-reinstall recovery DVD.
May 15 22:59:00 <readme> infact, the android market is a good example of peer review without necessarily looking at source code.
May 15 22:59:20 <ctate> readme: well, no pre-release external review
May 15 22:59:26 <readme> windows 8 is adopting a market model, isnit it?
May 15 22:59:28 <readme> isn't*
May 15 22:59:29 * pfn pokes ctate 
May 15 22:59:47 <ctate> it's not like (a) the source code isn't published post-release, or (b) there isn't ongoing peer review within Google during development
May 15 22:59:51 <readme> ctate: personally, i like debian's model :)
May 15 23:00:04 <ctate> pfn: i BEG your pardon
May 15 23:00:19 <pfn> you are pardoned
May 15 23:00:37 <readme> ctate: i was referring more to apps on the market and their user reviews
May 15 23:00:46 <readme> i think it's a solid system of quality assurance.
May 15 23:01:25 <ctate> it is okay
May 15 23:01:27 <g00s> http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3022682/google-direct-sales-multiple-device-OEMs
May 15 23:02:19 <readme> ctate: I guess it has some caveats: uncritical reviewers who 5-star everything, and grumpy reviewers who 1-star everything.
May 15 23:02:30 <readme> but statistics generally help
May 15 23:02:34 <ctate> *
May 15 23:02:41 * ctate = grumpy
May 15 23:03:07 <g00s> ctate: why did you just assign grumpiness to yourself :(
May 15 23:03:17 <ctate> interestingly, in the new Portal2 fan-created map infrastructure, the only rating you can give a map is thumbs up or down
May 15 23:03:23 <ctate> g00s: let me correct myself
May 15 23:03:28 * ctate === grumpy
May 15 23:03:29 <ctate> :)
May 15 23:03:30 <readme> g00s: ctate is gone now, he got garbage collected
May 15 23:03:31 <g00s> :D
May 15 23:03:34 <readme> we had no more refs after that
May 15 23:03:44 <readme> just grumpy is here
May 15 23:03:47 <ctate> java is like basketball
May 15 23:03:48 <kg020> Hi I'm trying to install the support package for android, but I can't seem to find it on the SDK manager. Where can I find it?
May 15 23:03:50 <ctate> it's all about working the refs
May 15 23:04:29 <ayami_nc> Hello, can someone help me?
May 15 23:04:40 <ayami_nc> I'm trying to find a way to sent to emulator incompleted SMS to check this case
May 15 23:05:06 <ayami_nc> but non find any info how to do this
May 15 23:05:06 <g00s> twitter app update - still looks like iOS app; idiots
May 15 23:05:20 <Ologn> kg020, it may have been renamed the compatibiltiy package - not support
May 15 23:05:35 <g00s> chrome 19 has tab syncing with android devices; cool
May 15 23:05:45 <Ologn> kg020: compatibility rather
May 15 23:05:50 <kg020> Ologn, should it be under Android 4.?
May 15 23:06:05 <Ologn> kg020, it should be at the bottom, under extras
May 15 23:06:05 <readme> the browsers and their major version number incrementations :(
May 15 23:06:28 <readme> soon we are going to be using chrome 99999
May 15 23:06:51 <kg020> Ologn, found 'android support' I guess it would be that, right?
May 15 23:07:14 <Ologn> kg020, yes.
May 15 23:07:22 <Ologn> I think they keep changing the name of it
May 15 23:07:31 <ayami_nc> hmm no one?
May 15 23:07:50 <kg020> thanks, confusing heh
May 15 23:08:25 <pfn> I thought chrome already did tab sync with android
May 15 23:08:31 <pfn> if you go to the new tab page, you could see your tabs from pc
May 15 23:08:46 <ayami_nc> :(
May 15 23:09:46 <gaz`> is a compatibility library the same as a support library?
May 15 23:11:11 <Exano> ayami_nc: relax, a lot of people just idle in here :) You may want to try rewording your question also
May 15 23:11:55 <KaiSforza> Anyone here have experience installing custom kernels and roms from a linux computer?
May 15 23:12:14 <Ologn> KaiSforza, On #android-root they do
May 15 23:12:35 <g00s> crap, used wifi at the public library with my mac laptop - and forgot to have the firewall turned on. wonder if i should wipe this machine.
May 15 23:12:42 <ayami_nc> Exano: I'm have app which read sms from inbox, but sometimes OP sent incomplete sms or cutted sms, which in most ways later gets completed(in a few min), so i'm need test case to do this on emulator to make logic for it
May 15 23:13:21 <ayami_nc> Exano: And i'm just cant find any way or info to sent incompleted SMS to emulator
May 15 23:13:21 <pragma-> g00s: firewalls are more to do with preventing things from communicating, not preventing things from getting installed...
May 15 23:13:45 <pragma-> e.g., if you accidentally type your bank password on an insecure site, you don't wipe your machine to correct the issue
May 15 23:13:55 <Exano> i got you
May 15 23:13:58 <Exano> check pm
May 15 23:14:18 <Exano> you just need to telnet it
May 15 23:14:49 <g00s> i'm more worried about someone accessing the machine
May 15 23:15:40 <kg020> Ologn, installed it and now nothing is compiling O.o
May 15 23:15:46 <kg020> Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1
May 15 23:16:51 <wabz> hey g00s I think a few weeks back you posted an article from some guy saying that fragmentation isn't a problem, engineers just being lazy, app developers have always had to deal with it etc, do you remember what article that was?
May 15 23:17:06 <g00s> wabz: hmm
May 15 23:17:09 <Ologn> kg020, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2680827/conversion-to-dalvik-format-failed-with-error-1-on-external-jar
May 15 23:17:23 <wabz> I'm not 100% sure it was even you :p
May 15 23:17:40 <g00s> wabz: there was one from today
May 15 23:18:04 <wabz> ah got a meeting back in a sec
May 15 23:18:58 <Ologn> kg020, the support/compatibility library changes the build target somewhat.  You have to target one API to build to, and clean out what's left from previous builds, and rebuild
May 15 23:19:08 <Ologn> like that link says
May 15 23:22:11 <g00s> wabz: well, can't remember which one you are referring to, but here is todays. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3978304 … presumably you don't mean the one with the shop having 400 devices
May 15 23:22:23 <g00s> bbiab
May 15 23:24:10 <GeeksOnHugs> I started my first not main activity and nothing happens...the console says starting intent and then "ActivityManager: Warning: Activity not started, its current task has been brought to the front
May 15 23:24:10 <GeeksOnHugs> "
May 15 23:26:19 <Ologn> GeeksOnHugs, did you declare the new Activity in the manifest?
May 15 23:27:16 <GeeksOnHugs> doh
May 15 23:27:31 <GeeksOnHugs> thats it thx
May 15 23:27:45 <Ologn> GeeksOnHugs, http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html "All activities must be represented by <activity> elements in the manifest file."
May 15 23:28:11 <GeeksOnHugs> sweet thank you
May 15 23:28:55 <kg020> Ologn, I can't understand why following api instructions step by steps gives such errors.
May 15 23:29:49 <Ologn> kg020, do you still get an error?
May 15 23:29:59 <kg020> Ologn, yes.
May 15 23:30:24 <kg020> just restarted eclipse as a last resort...
May 15 23:30:35 <kg020> and still the same thing, damn it.
May 15 23:30:49 <Ologn> kg020, do you only have one Android library in your build path?  And did you clean the project?
May 15 23:31:03 <GeeksOnHugs> Ologn well the activity is there, but no properties, I guess it needs something?  like an intent?
May 15 23:31:19 <ceti331_> managed to download the SDK, trying to run samples..
May 15 23:31:51 <kg020> Ologn, yes... the support.jar made its way to android dependencies now, I guess I can remove it form /lib right? is that what causes the jar conflict?
May 15 23:31:53 <ceti331_> is the emulator generally flaky for higher spec devices ?
May 15 23:32:13 <pfn> it's slow
May 15 23:32:14 <pfn> very slow
May 15 23:32:19 <ceti331_> i have an emulator onscreen - its been working but now from the commandline i do "adb devices" and see nothing
May 15 23:33:06 <kg020> ceti331_, I generally leave the emulator open. If it makes it any faster. BB emulator used to be much slower for me, so I appreciate android.
May 15 23:33:18 <ceti331_> better than nothing :)
May 15 23:34:01 <Ologn> GeeksOnHugs, yes, in the main class create an Intent, with one of the parameters being the new class.  Then run the startActivity() [or startActivityforResult() ] method on that object
May 15 23:34:06 <ceti331_> any hints if i have "adb devices" showing nothing, but there's an emulator running showing 5554:EmuPhone in the titlebar (thats' the avd name i assigned)
May 15 23:34:43 <Ologn> kg020, how many libraries do you have there?  You are not using ActionBarSherlock by chance?
May 15 23:34:44 <kg020> Ologn, removed the jar file and it ran.
May 15 23:34:47 <ceti331_> ok just tried 'adb kill-server adb start-server'
May 15 23:34:55 <kg020> No, I wasn't
May 15 23:35:04 <kg020> I removed lib/support_.jar
May 15 23:35:08 <ceti331_> ah that worked , nice
May 15 23:35:53 <kg020> Does this always happen to people? it kind of ticks me off that following the api step by step sets up errors.
May 15 23:37:05 <ceti331_> flakyness… i get the impression the emulator isn't displaying frames fully , e.g. i've got torn images showing when navigating
May 15 23:37:17 <ceti331_> i wonder if there's a 'force redraw'
May 15 23:38:56 <ceti331_> is there a way to launch an app from the adb command line - i'm finding the emulator too flaky to reliably navigate and launch.. :(
May 15 23:39:47 <cleardance> When launching an app and the window where you can choose what to launch on pops up, what would cause a red cross under target instead of something green?
May 15 23:40:35 <kg020> My main activity is a fragment activity, should I update the manifest?
May 15 23:42:16 <Ologn> ceti331_, by launch you mean install?
May 15 23:42:40 <ceti331_> I've got as far as installing (i think) and i've clcked and run things inthe emulator...
May 15 23:43:10 <ceti331_> … but its very flaky - the app browser isn't always redrawing properly and displaying.. i can't always see and click thigns :(
May 15 23:43:26 <ceti331_> so really i'd like to be able to say adb install MyProject.apk --RUN
May 15 23:43:33 <Ologn> ceti331_, yes you can launch an intent from shell
May 15 23:43:47 <ceti331_> ok … whats an 'intent' (i'm new to android)
May 15 23:43:55 <Ologn> ceti331_,  adb shell am start -n com.package.name/com.package.name.ActivityName
May 15 23:44:19 <ceti331_> adb shell , right i have that..
May 15 23:44:35 <ceti331_> ok i'll give that a go , thanks. (i've seen similar via google)
May 15 23:45:21 <ceti331_> just a quick opinion - do you think the command line tools are up to automatically building and running an app
May 15 23:45:41 <ceti331_> my ideal would be to have a build and run script triggered when i push some code
May 15 23:45:47 <Ologn> kg020, since the fa extends activity, yes
May 15 23:46:13 <ceti331_> let me rephrase taht
May 15 23:46:17 <Ologn> ceti331_, plenty of major applications downloaded by millions are all by command line
May 15 23:47:15 <ceti331_> i'm doing an openGL|ES project - simple use of platform really, more use of GL; runs on windows/mac/iOS at the minute
May 15 23:47:50 <ceti331_> would be nice to compile and run all simultaneously
May 15 23:48:40 <kg020> Ologn, I'm asking because I'm getting this: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.android.ff/com.android.ff.FitFrayActivity}: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #6: Error inflating class fragment
May 15 23:52:20 <ceti331_> in the adb shell , can i list the installed apks
May 15 23:52:46 <Ologn> kg020, subclasses of Activity have to be declared in the Manifest.  The error you posted could mean a number of things - it depends what the code is, and what is in the xml file, and what is on line 6 of the xml file
May 15 23:53:45 <ceti331_> how do i get from a project name to an intent name
May 15 23:54:12 <ceti331_> i see 'bin\MyProj-debug.apk-debug.apk' which i 'installed
May 15 23:55:32 <Ologn> ceti331_, don't think there's an easy way to list all installed apks from adb shell.  "ls /system/app/*apk" will show some.
May 15 23:55:38 <BrassMan> hey, I'm having trouble with android browsers automatically scaling/resizing images I dont want scaled (making them blurry), I dont know if this is the place to ask about browser development or you just do app stuff here
May 15 23:55:42 <ceti331_> thanks
May 15 23:56:46 <Ologn> ceti331_, /data/app should have other apk's, if you have permission to access them, which you quite possibly might not have
May 15 23:56:56 <ceti331_> hehe the emulator is stalling me… I am deciding here if i want to buy an android device to program
May 15 23:57:21 <Ologn> ceti331_, Sony is lending free Android devices to some Android developers
May 15 23:57:58 <ceti331_> on my own i dont have content to deploy yet; i'd have to take contracting work porting something i guess
May 15 23:58:25 <ceti331_> coincidently i'm doing vita work for sony via another path
May 15 23:58:52 <ceti331_> i had heard about sony looking for contractors to  move projects over to PS Suite..
May 15 23:59:36 <ceti331_> this is a toy purchase mostly. dont have a smartphone yet, thought i'd treat myself to an android, but only if i'll *enjoy* coding for it :)
May 15 23:59:45 <ceti331_> got my code running on ios so far
May 15 23:59:50 <ceti331_> (iOS/pc)
May 16 00:00:21 <ceti331_> i'm hoping a small stub (couple of interface source files) and a batch file to compile-deploy and it will be a pleasurable experience
May 16 00:00:22 <Ologn> ceti331_, is it your code, or someone else's code you're porting?
May 16 00:00:33 <ceti331_> hobby/personal project
May 16 00:00:40 <ceti331_> vita stuff is someone elses
May 16 00:04:50 <akshaydixi> anyone know how to get a facebook style ui kinda bar on the top in every activity?
May 16 00:05:58 <akshaydixi> anyone know how to get a facebook style ui kinda bar on the top in every activity?
May 16 00:11:02 <ctate> bah, he left.  http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/actionbar.html
May 16 00:13:18 <kg020> Ologn, would you have a look? Log: http://pastebin.com/TbnEMpPQ main.xml: http://pastebin.com/CMMLDCr2 mainactivity: http://pastebin.com/JDXUR31z Can't seem to find the problem.
May 16 00:14:47 <Ologn> hmm
May 16 00:15:20 <kg020> the xml seems fine to me.
May 16 00:17:22 <Ologn> kg020, hmm
May 16 00:17:38 <Ologn> kg020, line 7 http://pastebin.com/CMMLDCr2
May 16 00:17:38 <kg020> hmm indeed...
May 16 00:17:47 <Ologn> try removing everything after fragment
May 16 00:18:06 <pragma-> ctate: you look weird without the @ next to your name
May 16 00:18:17 <kg020> so just <fragment> </fragment>?
May 16 00:18:25 <pragma-> like a freshly shaven man who previously had a large beard or goatee
May 16 00:19:11 <kg020> Ologn, NPC.
May 16 00:19:13 <Ologn> kg020, no just remove the xmlns stuff on that line
May 16 00:19:46 <ctate> pragma-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYi24D9lHqc
May 16 00:20:17 <hesperaux> hello gents
May 16 00:20:34 <kg020> Ologn, Caused by: java.lang.ClassCastException: com.android.ff.fragments.BTFragment cannot be cast to android.support.v4.app.Fragment
May 16 00:20:37 <hesperaux> so you've got a number picker. how do you make it smaller to fit happily and prettily in your list item? ;)
May 16 00:23:32 <pragma-> ctate: http://www.methodshop.com/2009/11/1991-beard-competition-video.shtml claims it was faked
May 16 00:23:44 <pragma-> and zero websites have his name
May 16 00:24:36 <kg020> Ologn, is it a case of just not being allowed to use a fragment?
May 16 00:24:44 <kg020> I'm really stumped.
May 16 00:24:50 <t0mless> ha
May 16 00:24:58 <t0mless> pragma- I know someone who won that compition
May 16 00:25:00 <t0mless> http://jackpassion.com/
May 16 00:25:03 <t0mless> went to college with him
May 16 00:25:07 <hesperaux> so how can I shrink a NumberPicker to make it smaller without making it look derp?
May 16 00:25:58 <cketti> kg020: make sure BTFragment inherits from android.support.v4.app.Fragment
May 16 00:26:22 <ctate> pragma-: DONT RAIN ON MY PARADE
May 16 00:26:50 * ctate | , the beard cage is most likely a fake. 
May 16 00:26:56 <ctate> "most likely" -> there is still hope!
May 16 00:27:25 <kg020> cketti, it uses ListFragment.
May 16 00:28:50 <pragma-> also, he didn't drink the tea with his pinky out
May 16 00:29:07 <pragma-> NEEDS MORE PINKY!
May 16 00:29:08 <cketti> kg020: the support lib's ListFragment?
May 16 00:29:19 <kg020> cketti, yes.
May 16 00:29:57 <cketti> and your activity extends FragmentActivity?
May 16 00:30:07 <kg020> cketti, yes.
May 16 00:30:15 <cketti> you're fucked ;)
May 16 00:30:23 <kg020> but now that you're mentioning it. the Fragment was declared as 'Fragment'
May 16 00:30:36 <kg020> not 'ListFragment', which I tried too but it doesn't let me add
May 16 00:30:46 <kg020> to a fragmenttransaction.
May 16 00:31:20 <kg020> cketti, been fucked for around 3 hours now... () <- that close to giving up.
May 16 00:34:25 <kg020> Just a question - how is bluetooth usually implemented in your apps?
May 16 00:34:47 <kg020> on the android samples, it shows an activity... but I want bluetooth to run throughout the app so I was going to use a fragment which launches a BT service.
May 16 00:36:02 <readme> you should almost definitely do your bluetooth communication from a service.
May 16 00:36:39 <kg020> seeing as I can't get my ListFragment to work, is it bad practice to launch it from an activity which then destroys?
May 16 00:37:00 <readme> huh?
May 16 00:37:30 <kg020> I was previously attempting to launch it from a ListFragment window. But I can't get it to work.
May 16 00:37:48 <kg020> Would it be bad practice to create an activity simply dedicated to BT?
May 16 00:38:01 <readme> why would you want your bluetooth connection to be glued to the UI?
May 16 00:38:41 <kg020> I'd like some UI to come up to show paired devices... when user selects the device it launches a service and the activity terminates.
May 16 00:38:54 <readme> that is about right.
May 16 00:39:26 <cleardance> When launching an app and the window where you can choose what to launch on pops up, what would cause a red cross under target instead of something green?
May 16 00:39:57 <t0mless> not compatibile?
May 16 00:40:11 <t0mless> i.e. the api of the device is lower than your minSdk in your manifest
May 16 00:40:15 <readme> it is a red cross when your targetSdk is higher than the api level
May 16 00:40:26 <readme> nah, it's not min that gets the red cross
May 16 00:40:37 <t0mless> well that's stupid
May 16 00:40:41 <readme> yeah, it is
May 16 00:41:14 <cleardance> so how do i make it go away? i change the project settings? i can still luanch  so it doesnt matter?
May 16 00:41:24 <readme> you don't
May 16 00:41:25 <hesperaux> how can I shrink a NumberPicker to make it smaller without making it look derp?
May 16 00:41:29 <readme> just let it be a red x
May 16 00:43:11 <JoeTheGuest> Will writing an app in the NDK get better performance?
May 16 00:43:51 <ctate> think of it as the Game Porting Kit
May 16 00:43:58 <ctate> because basically that's the only reason to use it
May 16 00:44:41 <JoeTheGuest> ctate was that to me?
May 16 00:44:52 <p_l> ctate: or "whenever you need a lot of raw number crunching"
May 16 00:44:54 <ctate> yes, you can get somewhat better performance in some cases
May 16 00:45:12 <romainguy> p_l: if you target 3.0+ Renderscript is a good way to do this
May 16 00:45:31 <ctate> it makes it significantlyharder to get great performance on all hardware
May 16 00:45:32 <ctate> and ensures that your apks will be much larger than the equivalent app written in Java
May 16 00:45:35 <p_l> romainguy: depends on actual operations involved
May 16 00:45:39 <ctate> JoeTheGuest: yes
May 16 00:45:44 <ctate> p_l: even then
May 16 00:45:46 <romainguy> p_l: of course
May 16 00:45:47 <p_l> romainguy: in my case, it was crypto
May 16 00:45:55 <p_l> (that wasn't covered by OS)
May 16 00:46:05 <ctate> because if you write it in the NDK then you have to do all the fancy cpu-family-specific work yourself the hard way
May 16 00:46:24 <ctate> instead of letting renderscript generate the NEON code for you when appropriate, etc
May 16 00:47:03 <ctate> that said, some familiies of algorithm benefit hugely from being written directly in asm, for example, because neither C nor Java give you rotate operations as intrinsics
May 16 00:47:08 <ctate> so YMMV
May 16 00:48:25 <p_l> and Renderscript is still available on less than 10% of devices. So... in a 1.5 year, yeah
May 16 00:48:53 <romainguy> like I said
May 16 00:48:55 <romainguy> if you target 3.0+
May 16 00:48:58 <p_l> :)
May 16 00:49:29 * g00s is trying to figure out if its possible to use orientdb on android
May 16 00:49:37 * p_l managed to land a project where we can target 4.0. We also barely touch any android API. -_-;
May 16 00:49:51 <g00s> the less apis you touch, the better ;)
May 16 00:50:29 <g00s> "Half of Americans think Facebook is a fad", yey there really is a god !
May 16 00:50:52 <Ologn> What social networks was I on before Facebook
May 16 00:50:57 <Ologn> First sixdegrees
May 16 00:51:03 <p_l> g00s: in our case, it's the "less Java we touch". And we would have to kick out some of the nicer parts of APIs anyway (no xml layouts...)
May 16 00:51:04 <Ologn> What was the next one...Orkut?
May 16 00:51:15 <ctate> eWorld
May 16 00:51:17 <ctate> ;)
May 16 00:51:18 <hesperaux> using ActionBarSherlock, how can I use a tabbed actionbar but remove the title bar section?
May 16 00:51:57 <p_l> Ologn: USENET! :P
May 16 00:52:07 <p_l> (or netnews, if you are old enough ;))
May 16 00:52:18 <g00s> i do kinda wonder what dispora is doing tho
May 16 00:53:00 <g00s> if i owned my data, had total control what was shrared with 3rd parties, and was able to store it on my own devices; thats different
May 16 00:53:02 <ctate> g00s: they're http://goo.gl/Bn4p2
May 16 00:53:23 <g00s> :O
May 16 00:53:42 <readme> is that real?
May 16 00:53:48 <p_l> g00s: so... crypto-powered social network running over freenet? ;P
May 16 00:53:53 <readme> if so I wanna go in, it looks fun
May 16 00:54:31 <ctate> andTHAT's why you never divide by zero!
May 16 00:54:42 <g00s> romainguy: you might find this interesting; interesting to see this could apply to landscape photography also http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/05/15/1433211/photographers-youre-being-replaced-by-software
May 16 00:55:06 <g00s> i'm not so sure i agree with the conclusion, but it was an interesting read
May 16 00:55:55 <g00s> readme: that looks like the drain for a damn
May 16 00:56:00 <g00s> *dam
May 16 00:56:01 <g00s> :)
May 16 00:57:07 <pragma-> ctate: http://sheerinvestigations.com/wp-content/uploads/tunnel_house10.jpg
May 16 01:00:00 <pragma-> someone hit it with graffiti: http://www.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0021/l25Ek20394.jpg
May 16 01:00:15 <g00s> ctate: that could apply to g+ as well http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/15/google-plus-social-usage-study/
May 16 01:00:30 <romainguy> g00s: what would be interesting would be to know how long it took to create and render that scene
May 16 01:00:37 <romainguy> g00s: because it's probably more than taking a picture :p
May 16 01:04:04 <gaz`> evancharlton ive looked thoroughly at docs but i see now way  to add that indicator to a ViewPager
May 16 01:04:10 <gaz`> *no way
May 16 01:04:55 <g00s> gaz`: i think you have to look at the source file for ViewPage indicator
May 16 01:05:08 <spifff> has anybody managed to get <video> elements with a local poster image to load in a webview? I'm getting a java.lang.RuntimeException: Null or empty value for header "Host". Apparently the webview tries to load the poster via HTTP even though it is embedded in a page from a file:/// URL and using a relative path...
May 16 01:05:17 <g00s> i remember reading in the comments there how to do it. i just modified the demos that came with the compat lib to see how it worked
May 16 01:05:25 <gaz`> ah
May 16 01:05:45 <gaz`> if i have the compatibility lib working should i be able to import ActionBar or not?
May 16 01:06:04 <readme> no
May 16 01:06:09 <gaz`> ah
May 16 01:06:14 <readme> use abs
May 16 01:06:17 <g00s> oh, i was assuming you were tralking about the indicator that comes with the compat lib
May 16 01:06:18 <gaz`> nah
May 16 01:06:26 <g00s> *talking
May 16 01:06:30 <gaz`> g00s i just want an indicator under to show what page im on yeh
May 16 01:06:35 <gaz`> i dont care how i do it
May 16 01:06:51 <gaz`> andi wasted a day on ABS wasnt liking it so im not using that for a while
May 16 01:07:06 <readme> I believe you can use http://viewpagerindicator.com/
May 16 01:07:28 <gaz`> ah Circle Indicator is what i want
May 16 01:07:45 <gaz`> thanks readme
May 16 01:07:49 <gaz`> i thought uwere taking the piss there
May 16 01:07:54 <gaz`> its almost too ridiculous to be a real url
May 16 01:07:56 <gaz`> :-)
May 16 01:08:43 <g00s> gaz`: yeah, look at the comments in PagerTitleStrip.java
May 16 01:09:12 <gaz`> oh its one of these lib projects again
May 16 01:09:18 <gaz`> what a pain it was last time making it work
May 16 01:09:22 <gaz`> i might just write my own
May 16 01:09:26 <readme> lol
May 16 01:09:34 <readme> maybe you should learn to use the tools and stop complaining
May 16 01:09:40 <gaz`> haha
May 16 01:09:41 <gaz`> maybe
May 16 01:09:48 <gaz`> some docs that make sense would be nice ;)
May 16 01:09:51 <readme> using a lib project is as easy as importing it
May 16 01:09:57 <gaz`> yeh so ppl say
May 16 01:09:59 <readme> then right click your project, android, libraries
May 16 01:10:00 <readme> add
May 16 01:10:04 <gaz`> wasted my whole day to get it goign last time
May 16 01:10:08 <gaz`> then i cant recall what went wrong
May 16 01:10:10 <readme> make sure compiler compliance level is set on 1.6 after you import.
May 16 01:10:25 <gaz`> well i`ll try it
May 16 01:10:31 <readme> that's the biggest curveball. import a project, and compiler compliance is wrong :|
May 16 01:10:38 <gaz`> but i half expect to have to rip it out and start my own :)
May 16 01:11:00 <readme> you expect wrong. that project is forked over 100 times on github and watched by 500 people
May 16 01:11:04 <readme> i'd think it probably works
May 16 01:11:11 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:11:13 <gaz`> lets see
May 16 01:11:20 <gaz`> eclipse barely works for me
May 16 01:11:21 <gaz`> hehe
May 16 01:11:29 <readme> then the problem is your setup :)
May 16 01:11:41 <gaz`> right i import existing project into workspace?
May 16 01:11:45 <readme> right
May 16 01:11:59 <readme> if that doesn't work, you can use create project from existing source.
May 16 01:12:07 <gaz`> yeh that doesnt work
May 16 01:12:10 <gaz`> ok
May 16 01:12:14 <gaz`> yeh this is where the pain comes in
May 16 01:12:17 <gaz`> ok import from src
May 16 01:13:11 <readme> how did that go?
May 16 01:13:20 <gaz`> select src dir for existing src? or root of lib?
May 16 01:13:38 <readme> select the root of the project.
May 16 01:15:12 <tbellenger> romainguy: thanks for your old post about allocation tracker! I spent hours last night following red herrings to find a bug and it was as easy as a quick allocation tracker! Use allocation tracker people!!
May 16 01:15:44 <t0mless> you should always profile all of your apps
May 16 01:15:54 <gaz`> crapp
May 16 01:16:04 <gaz`> eclipse is so awful
May 16 01:16:09 <Jug6ernaut> umm
May 16 01:16:10 <Jug6ernaut> yep
May 16 01:16:12 <t0mless> so don't use it
May 16 01:18:00 <gaz`> readme ok its imported i think
May 16 01:19:43 <romainguy> tbellenger: it's a great tool indeed
May 16 01:20:48 <readme> gaz`: ok, so, right click the project that needs to use it, properties, android, bottom, add, library
May 16 01:21:01 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:21:02 <gaz`> its in
May 16 01:21:07 <readme> well, you're done.
May 16 01:21:09 <gaz`> but then why cant i import TitlePageIndicator
May 16 01:21:25 <readme> i'll check it out
May 16 01:21:52 <hesperaux> how can I shrink a NumberPicker to make it smaller without making it look derp?
May 16 01:26:41 <Leeds> hesperaux: make your own
May 16 01:27:15 <hesperaux> Leeds, well i'm already gonna be using a support library that SimonVT made
May 16 01:27:30 <t0mless> that is just the ICS number picker backported
May 16 01:27:42 <t0mless> you want one that looks different, you will have to make your own
May 16 01:27:46 <hesperaux> right, but how do I make my own?
May 16 01:27:48 <hesperaux> extend it?
May 16 01:28:02 <t0mless> or just for his project and change it
May 16 01:28:05 <t0mless> fork*
May 16 01:28:09 <gaz`> now i get ar mistmatch
May 16 01:28:11 <gaz`> jar
May 16 01:28:23 <readme> gaz`: did you add the jar to the build path
May 16 01:28:29 <gaz`> yes
May 16 01:28:35 <readme> jar mismatch?
May 16 01:28:42 <gaz`> its saying the support jar in the lib is diff from the one in my proj
May 16 01:28:52 <t0mless> is that when you put your pickles in your olive jar?
May 16 01:29:09 <readme> gaz`: well, you can't use two support jars
May 16 01:29:15 <readme> you will have to use the one that came with the lib
May 16 01:29:49 <hesperaux> t0mless, i like the idea of extending it. I can do that. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
May 16 01:31:29 <gaz`> pfff
May 16 01:31:33 <gaz`> evenchanging it doesnt help
May 16 01:32:44 <Ologn> ceti331_, you're using the NDK on Mac?
May 16 01:32:52 <ceti331_> yes
May 16 01:33:19 <Ologn> and the emulator crashes with the hello world ndk sample?  For different emulator builds?
May 16 01:33:23 <gaz`> why is it saying jar mismatch hen i removed mine
May 16 01:33:25 <ceti331_> yes
May 16 01:33:35 <gaz`> if it was ther eit would be in java build path -> libraries right?
May 16 01:33:36 <ceti331_> xoom2 and an IceCreamSandwich emulator
May 16 01:33:58 <ceti331_> but the ICS emulator shows me more at least… animates and i can use its search dialogs etc
May 16 01:34:03 <Ologn> I guess look in the logcat...and maybe try a prior ndk build
May 16 01:34:21 <gaz`> here u go readme im almost on verge of giving up, this is sort of thing that happens when i try
May 16 01:34:25 <gaz`> quicker to write my own :-/
May 16 01:34:40 <readme> gaz`: works fine here
May 16 01:34:47 <gaz`> and "building workspace" is sitting here just not moving
May 16 01:34:49 <readme> it just took a bit of patience.
May 16 01:34:51 <gaz`> every time i clean
May 16 01:34:55 <readme> how much ram do you have
May 16 01:34:59 <gaz`> 16 gig
May 16 01:35:02 <readme> yikes
May 16 01:35:04 <readme> I only have 4
May 16 01:35:08 <readme> and eclipse runs snappily.
May 16 01:35:14 <readme> what JVM are you using
May 16 01:35:21 <gaz`> dunno
May 16 01:35:23 <gaz`> 1.6 i guess
May 16 01:35:28 <readme> I would look into that
May 16 01:35:33 <readme> make sure you have the right jdk
May 16 01:35:35 <gaz`> so yeh now its done
May 16 01:35:38 <gaz`> problem is jar mismatch
May 16 01:35:41 <readme> question
May 16 01:35:46 <OoTLink> heyas :)
May 16 01:35:49 <gaz`> how do i get rid of my own one
May 16 01:35:49 <readme> do you reuse the same workspace for all your projects, gaz`?
May 16 01:35:50 <gaz`> its gone!
May 16 01:35:59 <gaz`> readme no i try to change often
May 16 01:36:03 <gaz`> but i have say 10 in here
May 16 01:36:05 <readme> I use a different one for every proj.
May 16 01:36:11 <readme> that's your problem
May 16 01:36:18 <readme> don't rebuild 10 projects that aren't in use
May 16 01:36:23 <readme> at least right click em, and close project
May 16 01:36:27 <readme> it will exclude it temporarily
May 16 01:36:28 <OoTLink> I don't want to irritate the crap out of you guys but I'm curious, as people that write things for android devices
May 16 01:36:31 <readme> but leave it in the workspace
May 16 01:36:55 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:37:04 <gaz`> so im basically gonna have to remove this lib
May 16 01:37:08 <gaz`> as it wont let me build
May 16 01:37:11 <gaz`> as usual
May 16 01:37:18 <OoTLink> is device fragmentation really an issue? can the UI be written dynamically like a webpage would to accommodate all kinds of shapes & sizes?
May 16 01:37:35 <t0mless> You should be making all your layouts dynamic
May 16 01:37:47 <t0mless> OS fragmentation is more of an issue
May 16 01:37:53 <t0mless> than different devices
May 16 01:38:05 <OoTLink> yea, I can see that one
May 16 01:38:08 <t0mless> like how OEMs like to do some things a little different
May 16 01:38:19 <OoTLink> in ios land there's huge SDK differences between 2 and 4
May 16 01:38:23 <t0mless> like the listview backgrounds on motorola devices >2.3
May 16 01:38:28 <OoTLink> hell, between 3 and 4
May 16 01:38:40 <t0mless> yea, we're on API 15...
May 16 01:38:56 <t0mless> there are not as large differences between some of them
May 16 01:39:00 <OoTLink> I took a class on ios development at my uni and they brought in guest speakers, and the only impression I got from them was that they were incredibly lazy
May 16 01:39:01 <gaz`> readme ther eu have it, never works for me
May 16 01:39:05 <gaz`> utterly confusing
May 16 01:39:11 <OoTLink> and generally trying to make a quick buck off as little effort as possible
May 16 01:39:16 <readme> gaz`: what OS are you using
May 16 01:39:21 <t0mless> iOS I think has a whole 5 different screen resolutions now
May 16 01:39:27 <gaz`> win7
May 16 01:39:28 <readme> also, what version of eclipse
May 16 01:39:39 <gaz`> 3.7.2 latest
May 16 01:39:42 <readme> are you updated to the latest adt and SDK tools?
May 16 01:39:43 <gaz`> fresh installs of everything
May 16 01:39:45 <gaz`> yes
May 16 01:39:50 <OoTLink> it does, but unless you're touching manual opengl stuff you only see 2 (phone or ipad)
May 16 01:39:54 <readme> it's working here
May 16 01:39:57 <gaz`> its obviously something im doing wronh
May 16 01:39:59 <gaz`> wrong
May 16 01:40:01 <OoTLink> the versions thing makes me sad
May 16 01:40:02 <gaz`> but i cant figure outwhat
May 16 01:40:04 <readme> what did you get stuck on there?
May 16 01:40:13 <readme> first off, start a new workspace
May 16 01:40:21 <gaz`> well now it wont let me importt titlepageindicator
May 16 01:40:22 <readme> I've never kept 10 projects hanging around
May 16 01:40:23 <gaz`> worked earlier tho
May 16 01:40:30 <OoTLink> google isn't going to put R&D into supporting the major device platforms with vanilla asop builds
May 16 01:40:41 <readme> gaz`: is the library project in your workspace?
May 16 01:40:47 <OoTLink> (shoot they don't even require manufacturers to open source drivers do they?)
May 16 01:40:53 <gaz`> readme no its in a sep dir
May 16 01:40:53 <readme> is the library project checked off as being a library?
May 16 01:40:57 <gaz`> yes it is
May 16 01:41:05 <readme> but the project itself is in your workspace
May 16 01:41:11 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:41:11 <readme> in the project explorer, I mean
May 16 01:41:13 <readme> ok
May 16 01:41:13 <gaz`> well no
May 16 01:41:15 <gaz`> yes
May 16 01:41:31 <readme> and if you click *your* project, you have it listed under libraries in android
May 16 01:41:39 <gaz`> yes
May 16 01:41:48 <readme> ok, and are there any errors in the problems view
May 16 01:41:56 <gaz`> lots
May 16 01:42:08 <gaz`> first one is jar mismatch
May 16 01:42:09 <g00s> OoTLink: part of the problem, was that originally the nexus program was a relationship between google, a carrier, and an oem. Now, it seems like they are opening that up to up to 5 oems (from what i read). so if nexus devices become more ubuqitous (more choice at  launch time), hopefully that will help
May 16 01:42:11 <gaz`> fix your dependencies
May 16 01:42:25 <readme> gaz`: remove either: your support lib, or the support lib of the library project, from the build path.
May 16 01:42:29 <OoTLink> that would be sexy
May 16 01:42:40 <OoTLink> when carriers are yanked out of the equation I will be happier
May 16 01:42:43 <readme> I recommend removing yours, because the support lib bundled with the viewpagerindicator is more likely to be tested with it.
May 16 01:42:48 <g00s> also, the devices will be sold unlocked from the play store.
May 16 01:42:49 <gaz`> did that readme its not there
May 16 01:42:57 <readme> did you remove it from the build path?
May 16 01:43:02 <readme> right click, remove from build path
May 16 01:43:04 <OoTLink> but I'm pretty sure carriers being compared apples-to-apples is their worst nightmare
May 16 01:43:21 <readme> right click, configure build path, remove library there.
May 16 01:43:27 <gaz`> readme properties->java build path->libraries ?
May 16 01:43:30 <OoTLink> "You can get eleventy billion minutes and unlimited data with the same phone and same features for $20 a month less?! Oh crap"
May 16 01:43:30 <readme> yeah
May 16 01:43:36 <readme> its one of those tabs
May 16 01:43:38 <gaz`> nothing in ther eit just says androdi 2.2 in there
May 16 01:43:41 <readme> ok
May 16 01:43:44 <readme> try building clean then
May 16 01:43:47 <OoTLink> right now they've got the whole "but we have the exclusive 4g epenis hd!"
May 16 01:43:51 <g00s> yeah, i read some interesting stuff on apple's motivations for the micro-sim stuff. i have to hand it to apple, they always seem to be able to stick it to the carriers, and that is not a bad thing :)
May 16 01:43:53 <readme> maybe one of your other 10 projects has a support library too?
May 16 01:44:01 <OoTLink> lol
May 16 01:44:06 <gaz`> no this is the first time ive used it
May 16 01:44:11 <readme> ok
May 16 01:44:14 <readme> and you've built clean?
May 16 01:44:16 <gaz`> 3 errors again jar mismatch
May 16 01:44:18 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:44:23 <readme> what do the errors say
May 16 01:44:25 <readme> specifically
May 16 01:44:45 <gaz`> wait just closing old ABS stuff
May 16 01:44:49 <gaz`> maybe messing it up
May 16 01:44:52 <readme> >:o
May 16 01:44:56 <OoTLink> I'd say apple is giving the carriers a taste of their own medicine, but that would be at a higher level
May 16 01:45:02 <readme> that was my point about using a separate workspace
May 16 01:45:06 <gaz`> yeh
May 16 01:45:07 * readme rages
May 16 01:45:07 <Workboot> A renderscript discussion!
May 16 01:45:10 <TDhoot> Hello everyone
May 16 01:45:10 <gaz`> how ridiculous
May 16 01:45:14 <Workboot> Start again, I'm here now.
May 16 01:45:14 <OoTLink> hi :)
May 16 01:45:29 <TDhoot> Does anyone have experience using Lock in Android? I had a few quick questions.
May 16 01:45:47 <gaz`> readme error is Jar mismatch! Fix your dependencies
May 16 01:45:49 <OoTLink> if AT&T's CEO loses sleep at night over imessage and lost revenue
May 16 01:45:52 <OoTLink> I wonder how he feels about google voice
May 16 01:46:03 <TDhoot> 1) Is it like synchronise? Can you perform .wait() or .notify()?
May 16 01:46:16 <OoTLink> since that 100% bypasses the sms bucket and can send messages to any phone
May 16 01:46:17 <TDhoot> 2) I can't find a comprehensive example. Do you know of any?
May 16 01:47:11 <p_l> g00s: Actually, Apple's actions regarding carriers are annoying and it's bad that carriers let themselves get roped into them.
May 16 01:47:22 <OoTLink> interesting
May 16 01:47:31 <OoTLink> I think the carriers should have no say in devices or software updates at all
May 16 01:47:35 <readme> TDhoot: http://www.amazon.com/Java-Concurrency-Practice-Brian-Goetz/dp/0321349601
May 16 01:47:36 <p_l> As for microsim... given that it's zero change to anything (just cut the small sim's fill)...
May 16 01:47:46 <OoTLink> especially for including and mandating certain programs
May 16 01:47:54 <p_l> OoTLink: Apple actually took a cut of iPhone owners' bills
May 16 01:47:58 <OoTLink> oh yea
May 16 01:48:03 <OoTLink> that's a different story altogether lol
May 16 01:48:14 <p_l> all those "iPhone tarrifs" included extra cost that Apple wanted
May 16 01:48:16 <OoTLink> and then there's how they wouldn't sell to sprint unless they agreed to spend 6 billion on iphones
May 16 01:48:24 <OoTLink> you could definitely tell they couldn't give 2 damns if sprint went under
May 16 01:48:48 <OoTLink> I think cost might be one of the reasons why t-mo never ended up going with them and not saying such lol
May 16 01:48:52 <p_l> OoTLink: there's also broken voicemail which lead to fun stuff like early adopters not getting voicemail at all for months, because iOS was incapable of properly redirecting calls...
May 16 01:49:16 <p_l> OoTLink: T-Mobile had iPhone elsewhere
May 16 01:49:23 <OoTLink> the german branch
May 16 01:49:24 <ceti331_> has anyone here compiled NDK samples with the latest NDK 8
May 16 01:49:25 <TDhoot> readme Thanks (not sure, is this a bot?) but I was just looking to do a few simple things. Not worth a $40 book. Thanks though.
May 16 01:49:25 <OoTLink> different story
May 16 01:49:26 <p_l> that's how I know those details
May 16 01:49:32 <OoTLink> douchebag telekom hehe
May 16 01:49:56 <p_l> OoTLink: not only german. Deutsche Telekom is the owner, not the company itself
May 16 01:50:05 <OoTLink> hehe
May 16 01:50:36 <p_l> though dealing with differences in how rest of the group works and the subsidiary I worked at was ... interesting :)
May 16 01:51:02 <OoTLink> I wonder how it compares to mercedes + chrysler
May 16 01:51:15 <p_l> we had BTSes that would cost 2x the price others reported... because we actually put the whole cost of BTS. And we had majority of BTSes equipped with UPS
May 16 01:51:18 <Workboot> ctate: I thought most compilers recognised common rotate-like idioms and generated a proper instruction.
May 16 01:51:45 <OoTLink> I get the feeling the american management feels like chrysler did after they pissed off mercedes with the me412
May 16 01:51:57 <OoTLink> mercedes spent something like 5 years making a supercar
May 16 01:52:05 <OoTLink> they used some mercedes parts and built a better one in 6 months
May 16 01:52:05 <p_l> Workboot: there are intrinsics available, iirc
May 16 01:52:16 <OoTLink> it led to people getting fired
May 16 01:52:36 <Workboot> GCC extensions, or something?
May 16 01:53:18 <p_l> Workboot: yes
May 16 01:53:38 <Workboot> At that level GCC does such a terrible job you have no reason to worry about whether or not it's using a rotate instruction when it could.
May 16 01:54:47 <readme> TDhoot: get o'reilly safari if you don't want a 40 dollar pile of dead paper
May 16 01:54:51 <readme> or use a library
May 16 01:54:52 <Workboot> So I think maybe I take back what I said.  If you're optimising at the level of needing to rotate something and caring that that goes in one operation then you don't want GCC.
May 16 01:55:00 <readme> or download an illegal ebook
May 16 01:55:28 <readme> the ROI on programming knowledge is pretty good.
May 16 01:56:21 <p_l> Workboot: not necessarily. If you need only occassional instruction, it can be better to use the intrinsic than the weird inline asm syntax
May 16 01:57:10 <Workboot> Yeah, but in both cases if you can't afford the three instructions you risk getting by writing a common rotate-like idiom, then you can't afford to use GCC.
May 16 01:59:21 <Workboot> GCC only does high-level optimisation well, but in terms of getting things right on an instruction-by-instruction level it has such a high tax that intrinsics aren't ever going to be your primary concern.
May 16 02:00:06 <gaz`> readme yay i got it in and compiling, not really sure how
May 16 02:00:17 <gaz`> i think it was becausei had the old lib in lib/ even tho i wasnt referencing it
May 16 02:00:25 <gaz`> now to work out how to use the features to make the indicators
May 16 02:00:33 <p_l> heh. there's no intrinsic for rotate
May 16 02:00:40 <p_l> but there's cache control. Yay!
May 16 02:01:48 <Workboot> Boarding time...
May 16 02:12:31 <mtmurdock> test
May 16 02:13:55 <mtmurdock> I am having trouble setting up ActionBarSherlock in my Android project. I was able to add the project to eclipse, but when I add the library to my app, R.java disappears and won't regenerate. Can anyone help?
May 16 02:18:25 <mtmurdock> Anyone talking in this room?
May 16 02:18:28 <readme> mtmurdock: did you set the compiler compliance level to 1.6
May 16 02:18:37 <mtmurdock> I will try that
May 16 02:19:14 <mtmurdock> it looks like the default is 1.6
May 16 02:19:57 <gaz`> mtmurdock check the problem view
May 16 02:19:59 <gaz`> itll tell u whats up
May 16 02:20:20 <gaz`> readme yay! i got it working!
May 16 02:20:27 <gaz`> indicator is at top i want bottom but thats all
May 16 02:21:19 <mtmurdock> @gaz: the problem view only says that R cannot be resolved to a variable.
May 16 02:21:35 <mtmurdock> its saying that because R doesn't exist, i.e. it hasn't been generated
May 16 02:21:41 <gaz`> mtmurdock u shoudl import the R from your own packages
May 16 02:21:45 <gaz`> and see what happens
May 16 02:22:12 <mtmurdock> I am, it says the import cannot be resolved, again because the class doesn't exist
May 16 02:22:23 <gaz`> problem woudl usually give a reason why
May 16 02:22:27 <gaz`> like some badly named resource
May 16 02:22:29 <mtmurdock> The problem is that R is gone. I just don't know why
May 16 02:22:37 <gaz`> that happens when a resource is badly named
May 16 02:22:42 <gaz`> liek starts with 0 or something
May 16 02:22:53 <gaz`> often a clean helps too if theres really nothing wrong
May 16 02:22:56 <mtmurdock> well this isn't my library, its ActionBarSherlock
May 16 02:23:10 <gaz`> yeh i gace up on it thru issue exactly like this but millions of ppl do use it
May 16 02:23:14 <gaz`> so im not good to help lol
May 16 02:23:36 <gaz`> i just spent 1.5 hrs makign the other Jakes lib work but i finally did it lol
May 16 02:23:51 <gaz`> make sure u dont have a compatibility lib already set up or in libs/ in your proj
May 16 02:24:55 <gaz`> anyone using com.viewpagerindicator.CirclePageIndicator? if i move it from being above my "ViewPager" in the xml i get class cast exceptions, if i keep it above it works fine but i want to see it below not abnove
May 16 02:29:00 <gaz`> JakeWharton: any idea why i get classcast exception if my circlpageIndicator in the xml is below the viewpager in xml, if its above it works fine
May 16 02:29:39 * mcmlxxix has drawable backgrounds disappearing for no apparent reason when applying a shape xml resource to an imagebutton background
May 16 02:29:48 <mcmlxxix> im really having a hard time believing no one has encountered this before
May 16 02:30:26 <gaz`> arent u just replacing one drawable for another?
May 16 02:30:30 <mcmlxxix> well
May 16 02:30:38 <mcmlxxix> here's what i did:
May 16 02:30:53 <mcmlxxix> I load an image into an imagebutton as the src
May 16 02:31:01 <mcmlxxix> and apply an XML shape as the background
May 16 02:31:12 <mcmlxxix> works fine on the first go (e.g. startup)
May 16 02:31:39 <mcmlxxix> if i try to call ImageButton.getBackgroundI(); I sometimes get a ColorDrawable casting error
May 16 02:31:51 <mcmlxxix> well, almost every time, actually
May 16 02:32:17 <mcmlxxix> so I decided to just reinitialize the damn background drawable every time i make a change to the imagebutton
May 16 02:32:26 <mcmlxxix> be it a color change, or a src image change
May 16 02:32:38 <mcmlxxix> and now im getting random "blank" backgrounds on them
May 16 02:33:03 <gaz`> weird
May 16 02:33:04 <gaz`> not seen that
May 16 02:33:06 <mcmlxxix> yeah
May 16 02:33:08 <mcmlxxix> it's f*cked
May 16 02:33:20 <mcmlxxix> granted, im coding for 2.1
May 16 02:33:25 <gaz`> igot some equally as weird
May 16 02:33:56 <gaz`> wasted half my day trying to get damn indicators on a viewpager
May 16 02:34:09 <gaz`> finally got them to work but only above the viewpapger, if i try below i get classcast exception
May 16 02:34:10 <mcmlxxix> never a waste :D
May 16 02:34:21 <gaz`> how can order even cause that error
May 16 02:34:22 <mcmlxxix> you can now say you have extensive experience with a bug
May 16 02:34:25 <gaz`> hehe
May 16 02:46:11 <gaz`> ok got it working without classcast exception altho if i put indicators underneath the viewpager they ismply dont appear
May 16 02:46:14 <gaz`> :-/
May 16 02:48:33 <g00s> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052702304371504577406511931421118-lMyQjAxMTAyMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html
May 16 02:53:13 <g00s> "T-Mobile says that they have special setting which throttle down phones not bought from them." … i wonder if this comment is true
May 16 02:58:58 <luxurymode> does hierarchyviewer just not like to work with fragments?
May 16 02:59:35 <t0mless> It should work with fragments
May 16 02:59:53 <billjings> What problems are you seeing
May 16 02:59:57 <luxurymode> i have one app out of many that just refuses to load up the view hierarchy
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