**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 18 02:59:58 2012
May 18 03:00:07 <readme> I'd like to know who invented chuck norris jokes.
May 18 03:00:17 <Gumboot> Also Chuck Norris.
May 18 03:00:26 <readme> I suspected that
May 18 03:00:42 <t0mless> I think I saw an interview on like Conan about that
May 18 03:01:05 <t0mless> I guess these two dudes put a webpage up with the jokes and Chuck showed up at their house and scared the shit out of them
May 18 03:01:11 <t0mless> then he laughed and said he enjoys them
May 18 03:04:26 <t0mless> holy shit the sound hound app has like 50 activities
May 18 03:05:04 <Leeds> nice, bizdev guy from Airpush trying to 'friend' me on linkedin
May 18 03:05:16 <t0mless> hahaha
May 18 03:05:34 <t0mless> tell him to go "NOTIFICATION AD" himself
May 18 03:05:44 <Leeds> yeah, something like that
May 18 03:06:18 <t0mless> did you see the one post about how a new ad company is trying to put ads before outgoing phone calls?
May 18 03:08:08 <Leeds> yup
May 18 03:08:44 <Leeds> is it unfair to report spam on him? :)
May 18 03:09:01 * t0mless shrugs
May 18 03:09:14 <t0mless> I probably wouldn't, but i'm too nice for my own good
May 18 03:09:29 <Afzal> woot woot! https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/35900/
May 18 03:09:35 <JakeWharton> I would accept his friendship and then use his email to sign up for free trials on every porn site I can find
May 18 03:09:35 <readme> linked in blah
May 18 03:09:42 <readme> too many phb on linkedin
May 18 03:09:43 <Leeds> reported
May 18 03:10:13 <Leeds> Afzal: woohoo :)
May 18 03:10:40 <Afzal> Leeds, time to do it for the tablet browser too I guess :/
May 18 03:10:49 <Afzal> :D
May 18 03:10:49 <Leeds> yeah, get on that...
May 18 03:11:03 <JakeWharton> What happens when two items in a Set suddenly return the same from .equals? #LazyInternet
May 18 03:11:06 <JakeWharton> probably nothing
May 18 03:11:45 <t0mless> huh
May 18 03:11:49 <t0mless> SoundHouse uses ABS
May 18 03:11:59 <t0mless> SoundHound*
May 18 03:12:13 <JakeWharton> I think I knew that
May 18 03:12:16 <Afzal> t0mless, I read that as SoundHound anyway :p
May 18 03:12:25 <JakeWharton> because I have it installed and have never used it nor had the desire to
May 18 03:12:31 <JakeWharton> so it had to get there for some reason
May 18 03:12:47 <t0mless> their UI is actually pretty nice
May 18 03:14:06 <t0mless> but does not seem like it requires... SIXTY THREE... activities
May 18 03:15:26 <t0mless> plus 4 receivers and a service
May 18 03:15:55 <Leeds> t0mless: you know what they say, you should use a different activity whenever you change any of the text or images on screen
May 18 03:16:01 <Leeds> right?
May 18 03:16:08 * t0mless must be doing something wrong
May 18 03:16:21 <t0mless> new activity for anything that is clickable?
May 18 03:18:05 <JakeWharton> activities all the way down
May 18 03:18:07 <readme> some people never discovered view.setVisibility()
May 18 03:18:23 <JakeWharton> can you nest ActivityGroups?
May 18 03:18:57 <Afzal> readme, or textView.setText()
May 18 03:21:30 <tofi9> guys, do you know how to get the CHOICE_MODE_MULTIPLE_MODAL behaviour in ListView from ICS back to 2.2+? I use ABS as well
May 18 03:24:25 <t0mless> what's the difference between CHOICE_MODE_MULTIPLE and CHOICE_MODE_MULITPLE_MODAL ?
May 18 03:25:28 <t0mless> does that just automatically set mode multiple when an action mode is started?
May 18 03:25:33 <t0mless> because you could just do that manually
May 18 03:25:44 <JakeWharton> i think so
May 18 03:26:11 <tofi9> on ICS, long click -> start selection mode; once in selection mode, a short click selects/deselects. Once out of selection mode, short click fires onclick event. In 2.2, you whether are in selection mode or onclick event mode... not hybrid
May 18 03:26:47 <tofi9> t0mless, yes - that's exactly what the ICS source does indeed
May 18 03:27:56 <t0mless> yea, so just use the normal selection mode and then set multiple when you start your aciton mode
May 18 03:27:59 <tofi9> I tried to backport ICS source, but got lost in all dependencies the new code has
May 18 03:28:00 <t0mless> and then turn it off when you're done
May 18 03:29:23 <JakeWharton> You might be able to get away with an extension of ListView
May 18 03:31:17 <tofi9> Ehmm... which events should I listen to? I override performItemClick (short click) and showContextMenuForChild (long click), but I seem to be missing something
May 18 03:31:54 <tofi9> JakeWharton, I tried to inherit from 2.2 ListView
May 18 03:32:46 <gaz`> anyone had problems with scrollto on a webview, it seems to scroll to the wrong place somehow, i guess scale ismessing it up anyone know how to adjust the x and y based on scale?
May 18 03:33:40 <t0mless> convert your #s to DPs?
May 18 03:34:22 <gaz`> hmmm
May 18 03:34:29 <gaz`> would that work?
May 18 03:34:42 <lewis> what are good apps
May 18 03:34:46 <gaz`> i dont udnerstand why it doesnt go to the right sot even when im on 100% scale
May 18 03:34:50 <gaz`> it almost works
May 18 03:34:53 <gaz`> *spot
May 18 03:40:35 <tofi9> sorry guys, got disconnected from the hotel wifi. Any replies on which events I should reply to?
May 18 03:42:12 <t0mless> you sould be able to just change the selection type in your ActionMode callbacks
May 18 03:43:09 <tofi9> t0mless, I've got that code. But I need to find out two events that the listview fires. 1) when the user short clicks; 2) when the user long clicks.
May 18 03:44:00 <t0mless> tofi9 and onItemClick and onItemLongClick don't work?
May 18 03:49:08 <SMlLe> do you call the bar-graphs that rise and fall with the music in English?
May 18 03:49:26 <SMlLe> iwant to implement this one in android
May 18 03:49:37 <JakeWharton> an equalizer?
May 18 03:49:44 <JavaDog> A midi file?
May 18 03:49:47 <JakeWharton> oh, no you mean the visualization?
May 18 03:50:04 <SMlLe> yes
May 18 03:50:13 <SMlLe> visualization
May 18 03:50:17 <hillct> Good evening all. I recall reading somewhere that one can determine whether a file most recently added to the MediaStore has been fully written to the SD card by evaluating what's aparently the mediastore field written only after the file write lock has been released. I just don't recall which ield it was or where I read this (or even if it's accurate) can someone shed some light on this?
May 18 03:51:49 <hillct> I I'm mistaken about this, can someone suggest an alternate approach to assure that for example, a picture taken with the camera has been fully written to the SD card before I try to upload it somewhere? The only option I've come up with is to try to obtain a write lock on the file, but that seems sub-optimal
May 18 03:53:23 <t0mless> hillct http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/MediaStore.MediaColumns.html#DATE_ADDED maybe?
May 18 03:54:23 <SMlLe> i found an example
May 18 03:54:23 <SMlLe> thanks
May 18 03:55:38 <hillct> t0mless: I was looking at that list to try and determine if one of them would be updated only affter the file write operation was complete. Date, it seems gets inserted when the file write initiates. I thought at one point it was Mime_Type that was updated only after the write completes, but that may not be it either
May 18 03:56:01 <JavaDog> Howcome the ics emulator launcher will rotate to landscape, but my stock galaxy nexus won't?
May 18 04:00:27 <readme> JavaDog: try settings->display->auto rotate screen
May 18 04:04:54 <JakeWharton> s/howcome/why is it that/
May 18 04:05:38 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 18 04:16:40 <readme> If I want to get space around my list items
May 18 04:16:46 <readme> do I need to nest their layout inside a frame layout?
May 18 04:16:54 <readme> setting layout_margin isn't causing space to appear around them
May 18 04:17:15 <readme> the space needs to exclude the background of the layout
May 18 04:18:11 <JavaDog> readme: Doesn't work... any other app will rotate, but not the launcher
May 18 04:18:35 <readme> JavaDog: oh, I didn't know you were talking about that.
May 18 04:18:50 <readme> my launcher doesn't rotate either.
May 18 04:18:56 <readme> CM9 on droid 3
May 18 04:19:07 <readme> (ICS)
May 18 04:19:22 <JavaDog> My gnex is stock
May 18 04:19:56 <readme> what I'm saying is I think that there's a chance the launcher just doesn't rotate
May 18 04:20:04 <readme> it doesn't rotate on this stock 2.2 droid I have, either
May 18 04:20:39 <JavaDog> I know it doesn't rotate pre-ics, but the ics emulator launcher rotates
May 18 04:21:17 <readme> so does the gingerbread emulator launcher.
May 18 04:21:30 <JavaDog> Oh, didn't realize
May 18 04:21:37 <readme> I just happened to have it open
May 18 04:22:00 <JavaDog> Guess it's just a dev build thing... really don't see a reason why it should be excluded from non-dev ones though
May 18 04:22:13 <JakeWharton> it's not a dev ting
May 18 04:22:21 <JakeWharton> when you put the emulator in landscape you're changing the device config
May 18 04:22:47 <JakeWharton> on the phone you're just affecting the orientation sensor and the app is reacting
May 18 04:23:32 <JavaDog> Tablets will rotate to portrait, too
May 18 04:23:54 <JavaDog> Though that might be specific to the roms I've tried; haven't used stock ics on my tablet
May 18 04:24:19 <readme> so the only way I can think to put space around a list item is by nesting inside framelayout, but lint says it's useless to do that.
May 18 04:24:24 <readme> "useless layout"
May 18 04:24:48 <JavaDog> Could you just draw some fake borders and use padding?
May 18 04:25:06 <JakeWharton> readme: why not add padding to the ListView?
May 18 04:25:26 <readme> JakeWharton: i want space between all sides, imagine a sequence of ovals that don't touch, basically.
May 18 04:25:50 <readme> I've got it with FrameLayout, but I wonder if there is a better way
May 18 04:25:58 <JakeWharton> Use padding on the root view of each list item then
May 18 04:26:08 <readme> yeah, I had that set before
May 18 04:26:15 <readme> I'll try it again though, and see what happens
May 18 04:26:23 <readme> the issue is that with padding, my background image occupies that space
May 18 04:26:27 <readme> whereas I want it to be transparent
May 18 04:26:36 <readme> as to see the background below it
May 18 04:27:02 <readme> my image is a ShapeDrawable gradient.. so maybe it can be tweaked there. Not sure.
May 18 04:27:23 <readme> \o/ padding!
May 18 04:27:27 <readme> I can put padding in the drawable
May 18 04:28:29 <readme> Or not.. I guess what I would have wanted is margin.
May 18 04:29:31 <JavaDog> How can I make sure that when a button is clicked, a new instance of an activity is launched (and how do I properly dispose of any old ones)?
May 18 04:29:49 <readme> use the clear top flag
May 18 04:31:05 <readme> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP
May 18 04:31:27 <readme> intent.addFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP) on your intent.
May 18 04:34:50 <JavaDog> Not sure that's quite what I need... let me draw a picture
May 18 04:35:48 <JakeWharton> make it pretty
May 18 04:36:52 <JavaDog> I added the smiley face for your viewing pleasure http://i.imgur.com/tpfiv.png
May 18 04:38:12 <dragorn> whooo got my bluetooth rfcomm stuff talking
May 18 04:38:15 <JakeWharton> haha
May 18 04:38:16 <JakeWharton> excellent
May 18 04:39:28 <gaz`> hmm trying to use a webview for a map where i can scroll to different pins, but i cant get it right, anyone know generally how u handle the scale, so if my x,y are like 100x100 and my scale is 1.5 it should be like x*(1/scale) or something?..
May 18 04:40:12 <JavaDog> It's possible that clear top is what I want, but I'm not sure exactly
May 18 04:40:41 <gaz`> JavaDog just call finish on the one your in
May 18 04:41:09 <JavaDog> When?
May 18 04:41:15 <JavaDog> on back button press?
May 18 04:41:20 <b1n0ry> is there any way to get the unique device ID without context wrapper?
May 18 04:41:21 <gaz`> after startActivity()
May 18 04:41:38 <b1n0ry> i'm running into trouble using context wrapper
May 18 04:41:39 <gaz`> JavaDog oh, u shouldnt really need to do that really, android will clean them up as needed
May 18 04:42:13 <JavaDog> I need a new instance though
May 18 04:42:25 <gaz`> ah
May 18 04:42:33 <gaz`> hmm
May 18 04:42:38 <gaz`> are u sure
May 18 04:42:43 <gaz`> why do u
May 18 04:43:01 <JavaDog> Activity 1 is a search page and activity 2 lists results. Without a new instance, I get the old results for a different search
May 18 04:43:21 <gaz`> just clear it up as its exited ie in onpause
May 18 04:43:28 <gaz`> or clear it up when u return in onResume
May 18 04:43:35 <JavaDog> What about orientation changes?
May 18 04:43:54 <JavaDog> The parsing process in activity 2 takes a long time and I don't want to repeat it
May 18 04:43:57 <gaz`> keep the data in onpause i think and repopulate in onresume
May 18 04:44:18 <JavaDog> The data stays there as it should, I'm using a fragment
May 18 04:44:18 <gaz`> i often keep things static for that reason
May 18 04:44:30 <gaz`> not sure if you should do but so long as you clear it up when needed it should be ok
May 18 04:44:37 <JavaDog> I just want to throw the old instance out and get a new one
May 18 04:44:48 <JavaDog> All the code needs to be run again anyway
May 18 04:45:06 <gaz`> well yeh just call finish()
May 18 04:45:09 <gaz`> thatll do it
May 18 04:45:36 <readme> b1n0ry: there's no reliable unique device id across multiple android devices
May 18 04:45:49 <readme> anything you have found is going to flake out on many implementations and be generally unreliable.
May 18 04:45:56 <readme> the only solution is to generate one.
May 18 04:46:18 <JavaDog> Where do I call finish?
May 18 04:46:35 <gaz`> after u call stratActivity for new one
May 18 04:46:41 <gaz`> or in back if u like
May 18 04:47:13 <JavaDog> I call it from a fragment within activity 1, like so parentActivity.startActivity(i);
May 18 04:47:41 <JavaDog> "i" is: Intent i = new Intent(parentActivity, SearchResultsActivity.class);
May 18 04:47:56 <b1n0ry> hmmm... that gives me an idea, thanks readme. i'm thinking i could make a web call to a server to 'requestNewId' and store it in the local filestore the first time the app is run. sound reasonable?
May 18 04:48:18 <readme> JavaDog: "Unless you specify otherwise, a configuration change (such as a change in screen orientation, language, input devices, etc) will cause your current activity to be destroyed"
May 18 04:48:21 <gaz`> JavaDog might be ok, im not into fragments yet
May 18 04:48:28 <readme> you get a new instance when you rotate the screen
May 18 04:48:40 <readme> unless you changed configChanges in the manifest.
May 18 04:49:51 <JavaDog> no, but in the fragment I have setRetainInstance(true)
May 18 04:50:07 <JavaDog> for orientation changes... though I wonder if it would work without
May 18 04:51:56 <JavaDog> Well it works, but not in a way I like. Upon orientation change, activity 2 will parse results again, wasting a lot of time for the user potentially
May 18 04:52:09 <readme> show me this "parse results" code
May 18 04:52:15 <readme> and the data structure that stores the results
May 18 04:52:19 <JavaDog> It's rather large
May 18 04:52:34 <readme> is there any reason you can't just keep a reference to the results?
May 18 04:52:40 <JavaDog> It's just an asynctask doing some html parsing using jsoup
May 18 04:52:44 <baradasahu> Hi, have an issue with media playing
May 18 04:52:53 <readme> ok, and presumably it gets parsed into "results"
May 18 04:52:53 <readme> ?
May 18 04:52:58 <readme> where are the results kept?
May 18 04:53:15 <JavaDog> five arrays
May 18 04:53:20 <readme> where are those?
May 18 04:53:21 <baradasahu> link as attached : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10640063/android-mediaplayer-unable-to-play-media-file-from-local-storage
May 18 04:53:31 <JavaDog> within the AsyncTask  static class
May 18 04:53:34 <baradasahu> Would appreciate if someone could point to the cause of the issue
May 18 04:53:38 <JavaDog> private static class
May 18 04:54:22 <readme> ok, and did you keep a static reference to your instance of it, or is your task an instance member?
May 18 04:54:39 <readme> I wouldn't keep the data inside the task, though.
May 18 04:54:49 <readme> simply because the purpose of the task is to put something in the background, not to store data for you
May 18 04:55:20 <readme> here's what you basically need to do: put the data somewhere after you get it, and devise a mechanism for checking whether the data has already been fetched
May 18 04:56:11 <b1n0ry> how reliable are shared preferences? can the user easily alter them outside of the app? (such as purging app cache or manipulating files, etc)?
May 18 04:56:22 <readme> b1n0ry: the user can clear them
May 18 04:56:41 <b1n0ry> ok, so probably not a good place to store an installation id
May 18 04:56:52 <trentg> can someone tell me what the three horizontal lines in the status bar are called on honeycomb+? Want to remove them but don't know what to look for.
May 18 04:57:49 <readme> b1n0ry: it's a perfectly fine place
May 18 04:58:07 <b1n0ry> readme, unless the user clears it.
May 18 04:58:18 <b1n0ry> then it looks like a new installation
May 18 04:58:30 <gaz`> if i have a tabhost view with some buttons at the top but im in a tab itself and have setcontentview how do i get at the buttons in the tab screen? if u know what i mean :)
May 18 04:58:32 <readme> b1n0ry: do you know of any software that creates an unerasable installation id?
May 18 04:58:32 <bankai_> trentg: the menu button ?
May 18 04:58:49 <readme> b1n0ry: adobe is pretty bad, they put that junk on your MBR.
May 18 04:58:59 <trentg> bankai_, yeah, that's what I've been googling for but nothing suggested works
May 18 04:59:32 <readme> b1n0ry: my point is, you didn't have a strategy to tell apart "clear data" and "factory reset" to begin with, so how do you know whether a user is clearing the data, giving his phone to his little sister, or just doing a factory reset?
May 18 04:59:46 <b1n0ry> readme, i'm just thinking that internal storage might be better. "By default, files saved to the internal storage are private to your application and other applications cannot access them (nor can the user)"
May 18 04:59:59 <b1n0ry> readme, factory reset would be less likely/frequent to occur
May 18 05:00:09 <olie> gaz`: maybe through the parent
May 18 05:00:22 <readme> b1n0ry: sounds good
May 18 05:00:59 <readme> i think using the google account could be a pretty good indicator, too
May 18 05:01:08 <JavaDog> readme: Ah, I see now. Thanks for the help
May 18 05:01:12 <readme> I'm not sure about how to get that, though.
May 18 05:01:26 <b1n0ry> yeah, and a device can be assigned multiple google accounts
May 18 05:01:41 <readme> yeah I am one of those :)
May 18 05:01:42 <gaz`> cant u get the IMEI?
May 18 05:01:49 <gaz`> or the mac address or bluetooth id?
May 18 05:02:00 <readme> it doesn't have to be your primary criteria. it can be a hint.
May 18 05:03:06 <readme> don't be fooled by this: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/Settings.Secure.html#ANDROID_ID
May 18 05:03:16 <readme> if you look into it you'll find it's very inconsistently implemented.
May 18 05:03:30 <b1n0ry> yeah, my current implementation uses it but i'm changing it
May 18 05:03:44 <b1n0ry> thus my questions ;)
May 18 05:05:38 <gaz`> i need to lock to one device for another app b1n0ry what was ur overall thoughts? :)
May 18 05:05:49 <gaz`> and did u think of imei/bluetooth/mac?
May 18 05:06:05 <b1n0ry> i'm not a good one to ask. i am brand new to this myself.
May 18 05:06:13 <readme> this has some interesting suggestions
May 18 05:06:15 <readme> http://www.pocketmagic.net/?p=1662
May 18 05:06:45 <readme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2785485/is-there-a-unique-android-device-id
May 18 05:06:54 <readme> (hint: the first answer is wrong)
May 18 05:08:49 <b1n0ry> funny, 'm already reading that second link
May 18 05:09:33 <Leeds> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/identifying-app-installations.html
May 18 05:12:54 <b1n0ry> thanks Leeds , might be just what i'm looking for
May 18 05:37:56 <gaz`> anyone had problems with LayoutBelow? it desotns eem to do anything
May 18 05:38:25 <readme> show the code
May 18 05:38:50 <readme> I've found it doesn't work if you try to layout_below something below something that is center_vertical'd
May 18 05:39:07 <gaz`> http://pastebin.com/RiX1BDHF
May 18 05:39:21 <gaz`> each time i paste my xml its open season on destroying me :)
May 18 05:39:22 <readme> which element should I look at
May 18 05:39:29 <gaz`> look for layout_below
May 18 05:39:31 <readme> ViewFlipper?
May 18 05:39:46 <gaz`> its hard to follow since the crownbutton is in a relative view at bottom
May 18 05:39:48 <readme> the reason that won't work is because you've got it inside another RelativeLayout
May 18 05:39:51 <gaz`> viewflipper yes
May 18 05:40:02 <gaz`> oh? why wont that work
May 18 05:40:08 <readme> I don't even see crownbutton
May 18 05:40:09 <readme> where is it
May 18 05:40:13 <gaz`> very bottom
May 18 05:40:21 <prateekp> which one is better for android development -- linux or windows
May 18 05:40:31 <gaz`> oh ur right
May 18 05:40:34 <gaz`> its not even there
May 18 05:40:35 <gaz`> wrtf
May 18 05:41:05 <readme> gaz`: the layout_below is to be set on the children of a RelativeLayout and can be used to describe relationships between the children of that layout only
May 18 05:41:16 <gaz`> ah
May 18 05:41:22 <gaz`> see it works fine if i use padding
May 18 05:41:26 <gaz`> but then it might mess up on other res
May 18 05:41:32 <readme> you may want to put the layout_below on the enclosing RelativeLayout.
May 18 05:41:53 <readme> hm, well maybe they do work across multiple RelativeLayouts
May 18 05:41:59 <readme> if it *works* it doesn't mean it's a good idea, though.
May 18 05:42:04 <readme> it's a completely broken one ;)
May 18 05:42:05 <gaz`> doesnt seem to still
May 18 05:42:13 <gaz`> grr
May 18 05:42:20 <readme> oh, that's because it's inside anohter LinearLayout.
May 18 05:42:22 <readme> my bad.
May 18 05:42:56 <readme> <a> <b /> </a> <c> <z /> <c> -- if a and c are relative layouts, you *cannot* use layout_below to put z below b
May 18 05:43:13 <prateekp> readme: which one is better for android development -- linux or windows
May 18 05:43:16 <readme> relationships only between immediate children.
May 18 05:43:19 <readme> prateekp: linux.
May 18 05:43:23 <prateekp> ok
May 18 05:43:29 <readme> Ubuntu Linux is optimal :)
May 18 05:43:56 <prateekp> how should i download source
May 18 05:44:02 <readme> s.android.com
May 18 05:44:09 <readme> also we aren't a platform dev channel
May 18 05:44:12 <readme> we discuss app dev here.
May 18 05:44:45 <billdollar> which os is best to dev on?
May 18 05:44:51 <gaz`> lol
May 18 05:44:58 <billdollar> which distro of linux?
May 18 05:45:00 <spifff> I'm trying to show some extra diagnostic UI elements when the debuggable flag is set on my app (which it isn't for release builds), but somehow the diagnostic UI still shows in the release build...
May 18 05:45:15 <gaz`> billdollar Ubuntu Linux is optimal :)
May 18 05:45:27 <billdollar> though so, ty.
May 18 05:45:29 <readme> Whichever one I happen to use is the best
May 18 05:45:37 <billdollar> lol
May 18 05:46:16 <jluw9o> xfgh
May 18 05:48:37 <b1n0ry> Leeds, the example function you found worked perfectly, thanks!
May 18 05:48:41 <baradasahu> noob question, but any idea as to why a file stored in internal storage is not readable from a media player
May 18 05:48:59 <b1n0ry> because a file stored in internal storage is available only to the application that stored it there
May 18 05:49:24 <baradasahu> Well while storing openFileOutput("myfile.mp4" , Context.MODE_WORLD_READABLE);
May 18 05:50:00 <baradasahu> does that make it possible for the file to be accessible by a media player
May 18 05:50:16 <baradasahu> the same file plays when i store it in raw/assets
May 18 05:50:36 <b1n0ry> don't know, i'm no pro. but i would think that most media players would default to the SD card for finding content
May 18 05:50:53 <clockworkengine> Hey everyone, I'm having an issue and I need some insight. Can anyone spare a moment to assist?
May 18 05:51:11 <baradasahu> I actually try to read the file using : ParcelFileDescriptor.open(new File( URI.create("file:///data/data/com.mypackage/files/myfile.mp4")),ParcelFileDescriptor.MODE_READ_WRITE);
May 18 05:51:11 <baradasahu> mMediaPlayer.setDataSource(parcel.getFileDescriptor());
May 18 05:51:47 <baradasahu> been scratching my hair out since long around this..
May 18 05:51:59 <spifff> hm lol the UI was visible by default rather than gone *doh*
May 18 05:52:56 <spifff> baradasahu, you shoudn't hardcode the path to the data directory
May 18 05:53:09 <baradasahu> tried using getFilesDir() as well
May 18 05:53:14 <baradasahu> the same result
May 18 05:54:39 <spifff> baradasahu, it won't make any difference in terms of readability of the file, it was just a general style/portability suggestion
May 18 05:55:21 <clockworkengine> Anyone know anything about the way hardware keyboards are handled by android?
May 18 05:55:42 <spifff> baradasahu, most likely you'll have to write to the external storage directory (and have the corresponding permission) if you want another app to read your files
May 18 05:56:05 <baradasahu> Actually i am doing both in the same app
May 18 05:56:42 <baradasahu> also I did try writing to external storage, but is there any way to control file permissions being set while writing to external storage
May 18 05:56:57 <spifff> baradasahu, what are you using ParcelFileDescriptor for?
May 18 05:57:30 <spifff> (if you're trying to write an mp4 file)
May 18 05:58:19 <baradasahu> Yeah it's an mp4 file… and I try to read it back in my player
May 18 05:59:00 <baradasahu> I use the ParcelFileDescriptor to have the mode of reading defined while opening the file
May 18 05:59:19 <spifff> a parcel is a serialization format, it's not a normal raw file
May 18 05:59:27 <JavaDog> I've got a ListView (ListFragment, really) acting strangely... after being populated, some elements appear to all have the same values. When I scroll them off screen and then return to them, they have their correct values. Do I have to refresh the list after adding a bunch of elements to it somehow?
May 18 05:59:38 <spifff> if you write your mp4 data into a parcel, it's not going to be a well-formed mp4 file
May 18 06:00:00 <spifff> JavaDog, notifyDataSetChanged() ?
May 18 06:00:15 <JakeWharton> If I have a <style> (but no theme attribute to specify it on) how can I use it as the default when instantiating a new view?
May 18 06:00:17 <JakeWharton> from code
May 18 06:00:28 <spifff> baradasahu, try writing it via a plain old FileOutputStream or using the Guava IO helpers
May 18 06:00:57 <baradasahu> While writing I just use FOS
May 18 06:01:27 <baradasahu> openFileOutput returns an FOS which I use to write the contents onto
May 18 06:01:39 <JakeWharton> Android needed four-param constructors :(
May 18 06:02:40 <spifff> baradasahu, have you verified that that mp4 file will actually play if you copy it to SD card manually (e.g. via adb push) ?
May 18 06:03:16 <baradasahu> lemme give it a quick shot, I do know that it is playing when I copy it to res/raw folder of app
May 18 06:07:57 <baradasahu> Nope
May 18 06:08:00 <baradasahu> no luck
May 18 06:08:22 <baradasahu> just copied it over and tried, same error coming in from the media player
May 18 06:09:11 <b1n0ry> are there any known issues with doing multiple HttpGet requests in the same activity on android 3.2?
May 18 06:09:19 <baradasahu> One error that i see in log cat is : bufferCount (4) is too small and increased to 12
May 18 06:10:11 <b1n0ry> i have a menu that issues a json request. returns values just fine in the emulator 2.3.3 and on my droid x phone, but when i run on my 3.2.1 tablet... it always returns a null value as if it never hit the web server to fetch the json.
May 18 06:11:11 <spifff> baradasahu, i'm still not convinced your use of ParcelFileDescriptor is warranted and not messing things up. have you tried setDataSource("/data/data/.......") ?
May 18 06:11:26 <spifff> b1n0ry, don't do HTTP form the UI thread
May 18 06:11:37 <baradasahu> Yeah did that too… u mean directly providing the path to the file
May 18 06:12:17 <b1n0ry> spifff, how would i code two different http requests from the same activity? you can only have one run() right?
May 18 06:12:35 <b1n0ry> spifff, and is that specific to 3.2?
May 18 06:13:11 <spifff> b1n0ry, at some point the added a check to the HttpClient to make it throw an exception when running on the UI thread. Are you using an AsyncTask?
May 18 06:13:24 <b1n0ry> never heard of AsyncTask
May 18 06:15:13 <spifff> b1n0ry, you need to do your network IO on a separate thread. there are various ways to manage the interaction between the thread and the UI logic that's waiting for it. One of them is an AsyncTask. an IntentService is another option
May 18 06:15:58 <spifff> from 3.0 or in the compat lib there are also Loaders
May 18 06:16:05 <b1n0ry> Thread thread = new Thread(this); thread.start(); run() { do network stuff }
May 18 06:16:12 <b1n0ry> that's what i'm doing now
May 18 06:16:38 <spifff> b1n0ry, what if your activity gets shut down or recreated while the thread is running?
May 18 06:17:00 <b1n0ry> the thread gets called from onResume()
May 18 06:17:51 <spifff> b1n0ry, so what do you do after you've done your network IO, how do you update the UI?
May 18 06:17:58 <baradasahu> tried plugging in the path directly
May 18 06:18:14 <b1n0ry> ReaderActivity.this.runOnUiThread(new Runnable() { update ui stuff }
May 18 06:19:45 <spifff> b1n0ry, you'll need to put in some safeguards to ensure the activity hasn't been stopped by the time your UI update stuff runs, and to cancel the thread in that case, but essentially that's a valid way of doing it
May 18 06:19:52 <baradasahu> but still not of any use
May 18 06:20:16 <spifff> you'll need to manage more than one thread if you want to do more than one thing in parallel
May 18 06:20:39 <baradasahu> spiff any ideas?
May 18 06:21:15 <b1n0ry> i do have a message handler that gets called when the network thread completes. that's what, ultimately, triggers the ui update.
May 18 06:21:49 <b1n0ry> is that an adequate safeguard?
May 18 06:25:36 <spifff> b1n0ry, a good way to test is to rotate your device while your background request is running (i.e. recreating the activity due to config change). if it crashes, you have a bug ;)
May 18 06:26:10 <spifff> baradasahu, i'm out of ideas
May 18 06:26:32 <b1n0ry> it's usually very fast, i'll have to throw a delay in there
May 18 06:26:39 <b1n0ry> let me give it a shot
May 18 06:27:51 <g00s> JakeWharton: yeah, thats a tough one - i tried that too
May 18 06:28:27 <b1n0ry> oh, i also call thread.interrupt() before i call start()
May 18 06:31:10 <b1n0ry> spifff, weird. it throws an exception back to DDMS but the app doesn't crash
May 18 06:46:20 <spifff> hm i thought i'd got my WebView + <video> stuff working... until i tested on a 4.x device
May 18 06:47:26 <gaz`> hmm is there any trick to showing an old activity behind the new one really faintly?
May 18 06:48:01 <readme> once an activity takes the foreground, you can't even be guaranteed the old one will stick around.
May 18 06:48:09 <gaz`> good point
May 18 06:48:13 <gaz`> i gues sonly a dialog coulddo it
May 18 06:48:14 <readme> but, I do have solutions for taking over the screen and being translucent.
May 18 06:48:16 <readme> yeah
May 18 06:48:22 <gaz`> damn mimicking iphone app guis sucks
May 18 06:48:22 <readme> I use a dialog with the regular theme, full screen
May 18 06:48:34 <gaz`> yeh
May 18 06:48:37 <gaz`> seems like it will be messy
May 18 06:48:38 <readme> i've got code for this, you'll just need to set it to transparent.
May 18 06:48:44 <gaz`> they sort of have dialogs popping up on dialogs too
May 18 06:48:46 <readme> it's well structured
May 18 06:48:54 <gaz`> not sure if its possible to show activity, dialog, dialog..
May 18 06:48:55 <gaz`> is it?
May 18 06:49:10 <readme> I'm using it in production code and it's pretty nice, I think.
May 18 06:49:12 <gaz`> well id love to try it readme
May 18 06:49:16 <gaz`> awesome
May 18 06:49:35 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/nifty/blob/master/src/com/tomdignan/nifty/dialogs/NiftyDialogFactory.java
May 18 06:49:54 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/nifty/blob/master/res/layout/nifty_dialog_layout.xml
May 18 06:50:02 <gaz`> thanks dude
May 18 06:50:33 <readme> it's a library project
May 18 06:50:45 <readme> watch on github if you find it useful
May 18 06:50:51 <SimonVT> -1, does not use dialogfragment
May 18 06:51:04 <readme> +1 does not require support library on 2.x
May 18 06:51:28 <SimonVT> -1, dev does not use fragments
May 18 06:51:28 <readme> +1 allows for animations in, and out
May 18 06:51:58 <readme> there is often no point in using a fragment other than elitism. it adds development time for no functional gain in many cases.
May 18 06:53:07 <readme> I used fragments in a CPU monitor app I am working on, and it was valuable there.
May 18 06:53:12 <SimonVT> Well, you could just return those dialogs from dialogfragment
May 18 06:53:16 <readme> but if the point of my dialog is to consume the entire screen
May 18 06:53:40 <readme> hm? /me looks
May 18 06:54:16 <SimonVT> onCreateDialog
May 18 06:54:28 <SimonVT> Can return any dialog
May 18 06:54:47 <readme> I don't like it
May 18 06:55:13 <readme> I don't think it is correct to glue Dialog creation to an Activity, maybe to a Fragment, but even then: why should a Fragment be my Dialog factory?
May 18 06:56:07 <readme> I'm not saying people don't do this. I just personally object to it.
May 18 06:56:34 <SimonVT> Dialogs managed by the fragmentmanager is >>>
May 18 06:56:56 <Trudko> Guys I am looking for website where I can see  different android desing layouts
May 18 06:57:15 <Trudko> something like those websites where you have a ton of html css layouts which you can download and use
May 18 06:58:40 <g00s> hmm
May 18 06:58:56 <g00s> Trudko: did you look at the ApiDemos already ?
May 18 06:59:31 <Trudko> hmm not really actually but I cant really see how does the layout looks without running the app
May 18 06:59:46 <g00s> you can preview the layout in ADT
May 18 06:59:51 <readme> SimonVT: I haven't had much time to play Fragments yet. I used them for the preferences on later SDK versions one of my apps, and for a CPU monitor display in another
May 18 07:00:02 <JavaDog> I'm using http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/view/List4.html as a reference, but I can't get my list working properly. List items don't show up properly until they're scrolled off screen and refreshed.
May 18 07:00:55 <Trudko> g00s, that is true but I would prefere to see all layouts at once for time reasons
May 18 07:01:01 <readme> https://github.com/tom-dignan/android-cpumonitor/tree/6d8929748fb11b1361e553178fae8a343c042c62/src/com/tomdignan/UltimateResourceMonitor
May 18 07:01:14 <readme> that stage of the code was pretty cool, when I was still using a graphical display for each core.
May 18 07:01:18 <readme> each core had its own fragmnet
May 18 07:01:20 <readme> Fragment*
May 18 07:01:26 <readme> (and still does, actually)
May 18 07:01:38 <readme> so if you ran this on a phone that had 8 cores, it would use 8 fragments.
May 18 07:01:41 <g00s> Trudko: did you see http://developer.android.com/resources/tutorials/views/index.html ?
May 18 07:02:28 <Trudko> yes my problem is not that I dont how to do layout I just dont know how to do layout which looks good :)
May 18 07:02:51 <Trudko> So I would like to donwload some and make som corrections if needed
May 18 07:03:06 <g00s> hmm
May 18 07:03:33 <SimonVT> readme: Gotta use fragments to easily make pretty tablet apps
May 18 07:03:46 <readme> yeah, I acknowledge the use case
May 18 07:03:58 <readme> that library I specifically wrote for the UI on a conference call app
May 18 07:04:13 <readme> so at the time it wasn't a huge consideration, since people aren't likely to make conference calls on a tablet.
May 18 07:04:16 <g00s> i found fragments a huge help even for my non tablet app
May 18 07:04:37 <g00s> whenever you have a  reusable chunk of shit that needs to hook into the activity lifecycle, even w/o gui
May 18 07:04:45 <readme> I find them helpful when I see an obvious reason why it would be better to use one
May 18 07:05:29 <g00s> for example, i used to have ReusableCrapComponent, that i would create in all my activities, and then in my activity lifecycle methods i would have to poke this thing
May 18 07:05:47 <g00s> made it a fragment and walla :)
May 18 07:05:56 <SimonVT> Oh, they are useful even just on phones
May 18 07:06:01 <SimonVT> Just more so when you support tablets
May 18 07:06:31 <readme> I never said they weren't, and I used them effectively in my cpu monitor app. I just maintain that they are not a magic bullet.
May 18 07:06:39 * readme is a heretic 
May 18 07:06:50 * readme drinks the hemlock.
May 18 07:06:59 <g00s> there are no magic bullets
May 18 07:07:02 <g00s> for anything :)
May 18 07:07:09 <readme> except for jfk's head
May 18 07:07:29 <JavaDog> too soon
May 18 07:08:23 <readme> your point about not having to hook every lifecycle method is good
May 18 07:08:32 <readme> i will keep an eye out for that.
May 18 07:08:38 <g00s> actually, i found fragments + loaders such win, i spent quite a bit of time rewriting my app … even though i have no intentions to make it tablet optimized
May 18 07:09:02 <g00s> but you can use loaders w/o frags
May 18 07:09:15 <readme> I wrote an entire app recently without a single fragment or loader, and I even used SimpleCursorAdapter in three different activities. U mad?
May 18 07:09:42 <SimonVT> Noone's saying it's not possible :P
May 18 07:10:05 <readme> SimonVT: dude, you just need to put @SuppressWarnings("deprecated") ---- that makes it OK :P
May 18 07:10:25 <SimonVT> Put that in your manifest, mark the whole app deprecated
May 18 07:10:26 <SimonVT> :p
May 18 07:10:33 <readme> I would have used Fragments if the budget wasn't so shit
May 18 07:10:41 <readme> I wrote the whole app for only $1500
May 18 07:11:18 <readme> If I was better with Fragments, maybe I could have done it at the same speed with them.
May 18 07:11:21 <readme> I doubt it though.
May 18 07:11:34 <g00s> readme: of course i'm not mad :)
May 18 07:12:02 <readme> I think I'll use a ton of fragments when I revamp my caller id app
May 18 07:12:31 <readme> Think I'll integrate abs, too.
May 18 07:12:48 <g00s> i'm still on the fence about that one :D
May 18 07:12:53 <readme> nah, ABS is good
May 18 07:12:55 <g00s> quiet SimonVT XD
May 18 07:13:03 <SimonVT> hah
May 18 07:13:08 <SimonVT> +1 readme
May 18 07:14:26 <pragma-> I decided not to go with abs
May 18 07:14:34 <JakeWharton> why
May 18 07:15:02 <pragma-> Mostly, I didn't need its functionality.
May 18 07:15:32 <JakeWharton> what did you opt for instead then?
May 18 07:15:43 <pragma-> Whatever android does natively
May 18 07:16:41 <g00s> so when i go to the eclipse website, they have 4.1 as stable … but everybody seems to keep using 3.7.x … wit the hell is going on here? is the 4.1 stuff beta or something ?
May 18 07:16:48 <pragma-> Nothing against the library or anything, other than I also didn't really want to wrap everything with Sherlock, either.
May 18 07:17:28 <JakeWharton> The changes are very minimal
May 18 07:18:15 <pragma-> Yeah, it seems mostly just prepending Sherlock to most things, but still... I don't know, maybe I'm just being weird.
May 18 07:18:22 <JakeWharton> basically
May 18 07:18:34 <JakeWharton> I back ported an SDK API Demo live during a talk on Tuesday
May 18 07:18:37 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/JakeWharton/WritingAgileAPKs/compare/after#diff-1
May 18 07:18:38 <pragma-> I'm just a little leery of riding everything on an unofficial library
May 18 07:18:39 <pfn> it's so sad
May 18 07:18:50 <pragma-> I'm already using viewpagerindicator, though :)
May 18 07:18:56 <pfn> my vm, that's hosted on my windows box, builds android apps faster than my host does
May 18 07:19:12 <pfn> and the vm is accessing disks via nfs from another vm that's running on the same host
May 18 07:19:34 <t432> Anyone know of any map api open to 3rd party developers that provides routing?
May 18 07:19:42 <readme> pfn: you have a build server of some sort set up?
May 18 07:19:44 <readme> CI?
May 18 07:19:51 <g00s> pfn: wut the hell
May 18 07:19:55 <pfn> I don't for my projects, no
May 18 07:20:00 <JakeWharton> I use CloudBees for CI
May 18 07:20:01 <readme> t432: openstreetmap maybe?
May 18 07:20:39 <pfn> but I do most of my development on my linux vm
May 18 07:20:47 <pfn> since it's most easily accessible when I'm remote
May 18 07:20:51 <zzattack> which ui elements were used to obtain this result? http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/7865/menuitemsc.png
May 18 07:20:53 <pfn> (ssh and whatnot)
May 18 07:21:17 <g00s> zzattack: what part of it ?
May 18 07:21:24 <g00s> there are custom on/off buttons
May 18 07:21:29 <t432> readme: so i'm told, but i can't seem to find a library that is free to use
May 18 07:21:31 <g00s> oh wait, is that an ics thing?
May 18 07:21:37 <zzattack> yeah ics
May 18 07:21:43 <JakeWharton> LinearLayout, TextView, ToggleButton
May 18 07:21:45 <zzattack> all of it actually
May 18 07:21:54 <JakeWharton> and a Drawable with TileMode.REPEAT_XY
May 18 07:21:54 <zzattack> what about the header?
May 18 07:22:02 <JakeWharton> TextView
May 18 07:22:15 <zzattack> alright, thanks!
May 18 07:22:48 <JakeWharton> g00s: you can do those on/off buttons with a simple 9-patch
May 18 07:22:53 <pfn> [success] Total time: 67 s, completed May 18, 2012 12:21:26 AM
May 18 07:22:56 <pfn> on my linux vm
May 18 07:22:58 <JakeWharton> custom sounds like a lot of work :)
May 18 07:23:08 <pfn> [success] Total time: 72 s, completed May 18, 2012 12:22:42 AM
May 18 07:23:10 <pfn> on my host
May 18 07:23:16 <pfn> 5 seconds slower for the exact same task
May 18 07:23:29 <g00s> JakeWharton: ok, wasn't sure if that was some standard ics widget
May 18 07:23:30 <zzattack> those toggles even animate
May 18 07:23:39 <JakeWharton> ICS has Switch
May 18 07:23:51 <g00s> i sense a back port coming !
May 18 07:23:52 <JakeWharton> you can easily back port it though, it's just an extension of ToggleButton
May 18 07:24:05 <JakeWharton> we already use one in Pay with Square
May 18 07:24:13 <JakeWharton> it's super trivial
May 18 07:24:26 <JakeWharton> I should hope that someone could figure that out by themselves
May 18 07:24:45 <JakeWharton> though maybe I'm forgetting what channel this is...
May 18 07:24:52 <JakeWharton> #android-herp-derp
May 18 07:26:27 <readme> zzattack's question easily ranks top 5 in most intelligent questions of the day... don't drive off the fresh meat.
May 18 07:26:44 <zzattack> it's not easily something one figures out imho
May 18 07:26:54 <JakeWharton> I'm just glad he didn't ask us to write it for him, taking the initiative himself hopefully
May 18 07:27:17 <JakeWharton> zzattack: experimenting is the best way to figure it out. Also drawing grid lines on where you think things are divided helps too
May 18 07:27:25 <pragma-> I used to use CruiseControl for CI
May 18 07:27:33 <pragma-> I wonder if it's improved any
May 18 07:27:42 <pragma-> it was nice.
May 18 07:27:46 <zzattack> i'll get it to work
May 18 07:29:04 <readme> zzattack: feel free to ask/paste your attempts here, and we will help
May 18 07:29:34 <JavaDog> I'm still stuck with my List problem. I can't get the dumb thing to update unless I scroll... where am I supposed to call notifyDatasetChanged()?
May 18 07:30:03 <JakeWharton> on the adapter
May 18 07:30:05 <JakeWharton> when you update it
May 18 07:33:01 <JavaDog> http://pastebin.com/mrCC34Ff
May 18 07:33:33 <readme> That is probably not what you want.
May 18 07:33:56 <readme> hint: you call that after you change the data set. where are you doing that? call it there.
May 18 07:36:43 <JavaDog> I'm not sure where getView is being called, since I'm not doing it myself
May 18 07:36:56 <readme> it's called by the AdapterView
May 18 07:37:08 <readme> which could be a ListView, in your case, probably.
May 18 07:37:16 <JavaDog> ListFragment
May 18 07:37:56 <readme> the fragment is only a wrapper around the view
May 18 07:38:06 <readme> the view still calls it
May 18 07:38:10 <JavaDog> Do I need to keep a reference to the adapter and tell it to update after all my changes have been made?
May 18 07:38:12 <readme> but correct observation
May 18 07:38:28 <readme> yes
May 18 07:38:38 <SimonVT> Any time you change your dataset you need to call notifyDataSetChanged on your adapter
May 18 07:40:45 <ali__> is there any widget available for the youtube video wall widget on tablets?
May 18 07:40:53 <ali__> i mean open source
May 18 07:41:37 <JavaDog> Okay, so I did this: ListAdapter myListAd = new ListAdapter(parentActivity);           setListAdapter(myListAd);           myListAd.notifyDataSetChanged();
May 18 07:42:05 <JavaDog> But the same thing is happening
May 18 07:42:13 <readme> JavaDog: you need to call myListAd.notifyDataSetChanged() every time you make a change to myListAd
May 18 07:42:26 <JavaDog> Oh, I can't just do it at the end?
May 18 07:42:32 <readme> you can just do it at the end
May 18 07:42:40 <readme> but when you are done changing, you must call it.
May 18 07:42:49 <JavaDog> That is called there when I'm done changing it
May 18 07:42:52 <readme> careful of synchronization here.
May 18 07:43:05 <readme> don't remove items and make it possible for the user to try to click them without updating.
May 18 07:43:22 <JavaDog> This is run in the onPostExecute of the task which changes it
May 18 07:43:37 <readme> that is fine
May 18 07:43:45 <readme> so it's "not working"?
May 18 07:44:30 <JavaDog> It's a bit peculiar, have a look
May 18 07:44:49 <readme> at what, code? code doesn't tell me what code is supposed to do
May 18 07:44:54 <readme> or what it's not doing
May 18 07:45:02 <JavaDog> http://imgur.com/a/AvJyq
May 18 07:45:02 <readme> tell me that in english please
May 18 07:45:08 <readme> pics are good too
May 18 07:45:25 <JavaDog> Everything there is showing up as it should be, except the course titles (ACCT 6299) are all the same as the last element in the list
May 18 07:45:41 <readme> oh, let me see your getView again.
May 18 07:45:51 <JavaDog> Second screenshot: I scrolled down so that only the first item was out of sight, then back up
May 18 07:46:07 <JavaDog> http://pastebin.com/mrCC34Ff
May 18 07:46:42 <readme> which line # sets the course abbreviation that we are discussing?
May 18 07:47:15 <JavaDog> those come from the shortNames array
May 18 07:47:31 <JavaDog> and uh... I have no idea, let me see
May 18 07:48:06 <JavaDog> 27
May 18 07:48:13 <readme> why do you have that check on line 31-33
May 18 07:48:26 <readme> ok, you realize that line 27 is only called when your view is created, right
May 18 07:48:31 <JavaDog> If there's nothing in the first spot, my search returned no results
May 18 07:48:49 <readme> that whole if block if (convertView == null) only executes the first time you create that view.
May 18 07:48:55 <readme> other times it's the else
May 18 07:49:08 <readme> so checking if shortnames[0] == null in there makes no sense to me.
May 18 07:49:17 <readme> here's what you should do
May 18 07:49:29 <readme> only put *view creation* in the if (convertView == null)
May 18 07:49:37 <JavaDog> I copied this from the List4 api example and don't know how it works
May 18 07:49:38 <readme> move all your *data binding* out of the if and get rid of the else
May 18 07:49:53 <JavaDog> Can you explain why that is?
May 18 07:49:59 <readme> if (view not exist) {convertView = new View(); }  bindData();
May 18 07:50:09 <readme> because, the idea of this adapter is that it only creates a view when it needs one
May 18 07:50:16 <readme> other times it just needs to bind the new data values to the old view.
May 18 07:50:32 <JavaDog> Oh, I see
May 18 07:50:58 <JavaDog> So I just have those things reversed
May 18 07:51:01 <JakeWharton> List14 is the best example
May 18 07:51:16 <readme> so that means for starters, your "if(parseSearch.shortNames[0] ...)" is only being checked when the view is created
May 18 07:51:45 <readme> that's why you get the convertView param -- it passes old views back to you to reuse
May 18 07:51:55 <JavaDog> Ah
May 18 07:52:59 <readme> also whats that for loop for
May 18 07:53:05 <readme> on line 25-30
May 18 07:53:17 <readme> for (String result : parseSearch.shortNames)
May 18 07:53:34 <JavaDog> For making new list elements (SearchResultItems)
May 18 07:53:58 <JavaDog> But I guess I don't need a loop
May 18 07:54:01 <readme> I think I have your answer to why they are all the same then
May 18 07:54:09 <readme> you are running to the end of that loop each time a view is created
May 18 07:54:21 <readme> and always taking the last element in parseSearch.shortNames
May 18 07:54:29 <JavaDog> That would also explain why it takes such a very long time :)
May 18 07:54:30 <readme> because you just set si to it
May 18 07:54:36 <readme> si gets deleted every time
May 18 07:54:41 <readme> replaced with a new ref
May 18 07:54:54 <readme> so si will be the last one, every time, after the loop exits.
May 18 07:55:11 <readme> so yeah, scratch the loop.
May 18 07:55:28 <readme> I assume you will need some time alone with it now. Good luck.
May 18 07:56:12 <JavaDog> Thanks
May 18 07:56:32 <JavaDog> Damn, I thought I was getting the hang of this
May 18 08:00:29 <manit> hi
May 18 08:01:24 <JavaDog> readme: Wait, so what the hell is going on in the List4 example? http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/view/List4.html
May 18 08:03:44 <JavaDog> Oh nevermind. It makes sense now.
May 18 08:03:50 <readme> JavaDog: it's creating a view
May 18 08:03:56 <readme> which is correct
May 18 08:04:00 <baradasahu> Anyone knows how to make a content provider work with files
May 18 08:04:43 <baradasahu> Most that I see explain database access for ContentProviders
May 18 08:05:11 <manit> hi all , I have one question : How to maintain session in android native app - like it is in web browser?
May 18 08:06:21 <appel1> manit: session for what?
May 18 08:06:37 <JavaDog> readme: Got it working properly, but I'm still getting some empty items at the end of every list http://i.imgur.com/zKl9E.png
May 18 08:06:48 <readme> why do you think that is?
May 18 08:06:57 <JavaDog> It's probably a problem with my parsing
May 18 08:07:22 <readme> I think it's probably because you're using a fixed size array
May 18 08:07:26 <readme> are you?
May 18 08:07:36 <JavaDog> Oh, right. I need to use that count field, yes?
May 18 08:07:57 <JavaDog> Or... hm
May 18 08:08:01 <readme> your adapter should return an accurate number in getCount()
May 18 08:08:16 <manit> appel1: actually I am fetching data from my drupal website through JSON
May 18 08:08:16 <readme> not the number of empty cells
May 18 08:08:20 <readme> the number of occupied cells.
May 18 08:08:35 <readme> but really, I'd use an ArrayList
May 18 08:09:18 <manit> as I have searched on google & stackoverflow it says that android cant handle session it self
May 18 08:09:48 <manit> have to make repeat http request
May 18 08:11:16 <JavaDog> Yeah, it's a fixed size array
May 18 08:11:49 <JavaDog> If there are more than 50 results, I only want to display the first 50. If there are fewer, I only want as many as there are
May 18 08:12:22 <appel1> manit: yes, I would assume you have to take care to persist and use whatever session cookie drupal requires yourself
May 18 08:14:31 <manit> appel1: yes I have to maintain cookie from drupal website- server in android app . I can login on drupal server from my android app. so it works fine on 1st page & I got the JSON response for the login
May 18 08:15:35 <manit> appel1:but in 2nd page my login seems not working as I am not getting the drupal JSON in that page for the user that is login
May 18 08:16:25 <appel1> manit: do you include whatever session data, login token drupal requires in the second request?
May 18 08:16:47 <manit> appel1:drupal required to maintain login for getting that JSON other wise without login it shows blank json
May 18 08:17:37 <manit> appel1: yes I am getting sessionID & sessionName in login JSON response from drupal
May 18 08:17:46 <manit> appel1:in logcat
May 18 08:20:04 <JavaDog> Woo, got my stuff working!
May 18 08:20:23 <JavaDog> Wasn't the array business after all, just an error determining count
May 18 08:20:42 <manit> appel1: check my question with my code on stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10510846/how-to-maintain-server-login-throughout-the-android-native-application
May 18 08:23:57 <appel1> manit: you must include the session id in your request
May 18 08:26:32 <readme> JavaDog: using a static array is fine. it's just easier to use a List that automatically adjusts its count and provides abstraction for insertion and deletion of elements (ArrayList)
May 18 08:27:07 <readme> in most cases there is no performance argument not to use one
May 18 08:29:22 <manit> appel1:so I have to pass sessionID in my http request for 2nd page. actually I have tried it . let me try it again. thanks for help :)
May 18 08:31:34 <appel1> manit: I think the cookie should be: sessionname + '=' + sessionid
May 18 08:31:55 <manit> appel1:I have to pass sessionID in each http request header where login is required ,right? correct me If I am wrong.
May 18 08:32:56 <zzattack> readme: regarding that layout, i found that using a RelativeLayout works better than a LinearLayout for getting the TextView to left-align and the ToggleButton to right-align
May 18 08:33:13 <manit> appel1: ok let me try.
May 18 08:34:39 <readme> zzattack: yeah, it would
May 18 08:34:46 <readme> zzattack: i don't remember talking about that though
May 18 08:35:08 <readme> does anyone know what the attribute is that controls the color of the highlighted element in a listview?
May 18 08:35:35 <readme> oh.. maybe it's on my nested framelayout.
May 18 08:37:49 * readme nope.. 
May 18 08:39:39 <readme> android:listSelector
May 18 08:55:27 <droidDev32> How do you change an imageButton in an activity to play/pause based on what the mediaPlayer in a service is doing?
May 18 09:00:39 <baradasahu> Hi Any idea how to read a media file from local storage ?
May 18 09:02:01 <baradasahu> setting the path of the file to the mediaPlayer datasource doesn't seem to work
May 18 09:02:36 <Tsukaza> GM, is there any way to resize the main.xml Layout automatically for the Phone screen?
May 18 09:02:39 <Tsukaza> Scale it I mean
May 18 09:02:44 <ddreamer0> hi
May 18 09:03:00 <ddreamer0> when overriding a class, why must i redefine it's constructors? isn't there a way to only override 1 method ?
May 18 09:04:40 <gaz`> how do i stop the background image in something scaling to the size of it?
May 18 09:06:27 <qfunk> hi!
May 18 09:06:34 <qfunk> anyone online?
May 18 09:06:39 <zarac> hi!
May 18 09:06:48 <qfunk> hi zarac!
May 18 09:06:51 <zarac> ; )
May 18 09:07:06 <zarac> ddreamer0: I don't think you need to redefine its constructors.
May 18 09:07:25 <qfunk> I'm trying to look for an app, or if such an app is not yet developed, then I'd like to suggest an app...
May 18 09:09:17 <qfunk> hi! Can anyone provide a link to this specific app I'm looking for?
May 18 09:10:33 <zarac> Not unless you specify..
May 18 09:11:15 <qfunk> Well, my previous phone was a blackberry curve...
May 18 09:12:20 <ddreamer0> zarac eclipse says "must define and explicit constructor"
May 18 09:12:21 <qfunk> and in blackberry you have this blackberry messenger which uses internet to let you chat with friends...
May 18 09:12:21 <ocx> hi, when a service is created is it considered a new thread or it runs on the main thread?
May 18 09:12:21 <readme> ocx: service callbacks run on the main thread
May 18 09:12:21 <readme> ocx: service is *not* a thread of any kind
May 18 09:12:21 <qfunk> Althoguh there are tons of similar chat apps for android, they are not always connected to the internet, so cannot be used as the blackberry messenger's alternative...
May 18 09:12:37 <qfunk> bbm is always connected to the net so it's a great way to chat...!
May 18 09:12:56 <qfunk> I'm trying to look for an app which can let specific apps be connected to the internet always!
May 18 09:13:11 <SimonVT> qfunk: #android
May 18 09:13:21 <qfunk> I mean only these apps connect to the internet, and other cannot whlie my mobile internet or wifi is online..
May 18 09:13:49 <jameslord> ls
May 18 09:14:08 <zarac> ddreamer0: :& Sorry bro, can't help ya.
May 18 09:14:36 <ocx> hmmm so would be better to create services in seperate threads
May 18 09:14:39 <Tsukaza> GM, is there any way to resize the main.xml Layout automatically for the Phone screen?
May 18 09:14:58 <readme> ocx: it would be best to have a Thread live in your service.
May 18 09:15:04 <ocx> yep
May 18 09:16:17 <ocx> ok and usually if i want a service to keep doing a loop, i would include a loop inthe service thread right? there is no automatic feature for the service to keep doing tthe onStart() contenet endlessly righT?
May 18 09:20:01 <ddreamer0> zarac ok no problem thanks anyway :)
May 18 09:21:28 <readme> ocx: do not block any of the service callbacks
May 18 09:21:41 <readme> you know what I mean by blocking, right?
May 18 09:21:56 <ocx> readme: what do you mean?
May 18 09:22:08 <ocx> like an infinite loop you mean?
May 18 09:22:14 <ocx> better to put a flag
May 18 09:22:17 <readme> or for any extended period of time
May 18 09:22:18 <ocx> to kill when needed?
May 18 09:22:28 <readme> onStartCommand() should just do some quick stuff and return
May 18 09:22:40 <readme> your thread is asynchronous, it doesn't run *in* the function that starts it
May 18 09:23:09 <ocx> yes but i mean in the thread
May 18 09:23:24 <readme> the thread itself will need to have some kind of loop, if you don't want it to run and stop immediately.
May 18 09:23:25 <ocx> would be better to put something like <while Thread.flag == true )
May 18 09:23:28 <ocx> do the work
May 18 09:23:33 <readme> yeah, a flag is a good solution.
May 18 09:23:47 <ocx> and set thread.flag as needed
May 18 09:24:15 <readme> now, lets hear what you want the service and thread for
May 18 09:24:19 <ocx> you can set the flag from outside the thread right?
May 18 09:24:23 <readme> yes
May 18 09:24:35 <readme> you can touch any component from anywhere. just make an accessor.
May 18 09:24:47 <readme> with the service, you'll probably want to bind to it
May 18 09:24:49 <ocx> graet :)
May 18 09:24:59 <readme> define a setter for your flag in your Runnable subclass
May 18 09:25:05 <readme> don't extend thread, implement runnable.
May 18 09:25:11 <readme> pass that to the thread
May 18 09:25:13 <ocx> yea something like object = object.this
May 18 09:25:21 <readme> so why do you want a service and a thread?
May 18 09:25:24 <readme> what are you doing
May 18 09:25:37 <pdrummond> Hi all, can anyone confirm if onLoadFinished() is always called from the main UI thread?
May 18 09:25:43 <ocx> pushing some data from mobile to mobile
May 18 09:25:55 <ocx>  iam developping some push to talk application for the fun of it :)
May 18 09:26:01 <readme> you will probably want a wake lock too.
May 18 09:26:20 <ocx> wake lock?
May 18 09:26:21 <readme> but the overall design seems a bit off base. I'd use a connectionless protocol for that.
May 18 09:26:33 <readme> do you want the CPU to go to sleep and your service and thread to go kaput?
May 18 09:26:37 <ocx> yea actually this service is for pulling the status
May 18 09:26:38 <ocx> only
May 18 09:26:41 <readme> oh ok
May 18 09:26:47 <droidDev32> How do you change an imageButton in an activity to play/pause based on what the mediaPlayer in a service is doing?
May 18 09:27:10 <SimonVT> You figure out what the mediaPLayer service is going.. Then you change the image
May 18 09:27:53 <ocx> kaput?
May 18 09:28:09 <readme> ka·put/kəˈpo͝ot/
May 18 09:28:09 <readme> Adjective:	
May 18 09:28:11 <readme> Broken and useless; no longer working or effective
May 18 09:28:15 <Leeds> knackered
May 18 09:28:32 <ocx> ahh
May 18 09:28:34 <droidDev32> What form of service/activity communication is best for something like that?
May 18 09:29:07 <Leeds> droidDev32: apparently, custom broadcast intents, I think
May 18 09:33:30 <gaz`> hmm sometimes i dont get a layoutweight option in eclipse with some stuff, like a linearlayout now, whys that?
May 18 09:33:49 <jluw9o> any small mini game project
May 18 09:34:01 <readme> gaz`: because layout_weight only works on the immediate children of the enclosing linear layout.
May 18 09:34:01 <jluw9o> not chess or  pong or tictactoe
May 18 09:34:43 <readme> write tron
May 18 09:34:59 <gaz`> hmm readme
May 18 09:35:01 <gaz`> thanks
May 18 09:35:36 <readme> gaz`: the way they work is that the each layout has a portion of the space equal to its value over the sum of its and all the other children's weight values
May 18 09:36:10 <gaz`> seems hard to make stuff work on all res
May 18 09:36:19 <readme> nah, it makes it easy
May 18 09:36:22 <readme> that's what it's for
May 18 09:36:34 <readme> if I want to divide the screen into thirds, that's what it's for
May 18 09:36:35 <readme> essentiall
May 18 09:36:40 <readme> essentially*
May 18 09:36:43 <gaz`> yes
May 18 09:36:52 <readme> although, I try not to rely on those
May 18 09:36:53 <gaz`> i think ive just built an awkward layout
May 18 09:37:00 <gaz`> these designs im following are mind boggling
May 18 09:37:05 <readme> I try to use as many RelativeLayouts as possible and avoid nesting
May 18 09:37:08 <gaz`> needs random images all over the place
May 18 09:37:23 <gaz`> stuff in background stuff in foreground, ends up with lots of madness
May 18 09:37:55 <gaz`> so any time u use wrap_content for height or something its gonna look wrong on a tab basically isnt it
May 18 09:38:07 * readme is putting the final touches on a project
May 18 09:38:14 <readme> just put a custom font in the actionbar :)
May 18 09:38:17 <gaz`> but if you dont then its not pixel perfect it can be slightly stretched and out of ratio
May 18 09:38:36 <readme> hmm
May 18 09:38:55 <readme> do you have 9 patches?
May 18 09:39:08 <gaz`> no
May 18 09:39:19 <readme> you might want to look into slicing your graphics into 9 patches
May 18 09:39:25 <readme> then you wouldn't have that stretching issue
May 18 09:39:30 <gaz`> right
May 18 09:39:40 <jluw9o> what will tron game do
May 18 09:39:40 <gaz`> but some area would still need to stretch
May 18 09:39:45 <jluw9o> lightcycles >?
May 18 09:39:47 <gaz`> jluw9o snake
May 18 09:40:00 <readme> gaz`: yeah, the 9 patch allows you to specify a content region which is then algorithmically stretched
May 18 09:40:06 <gaz`> these graphics are pixel perfect
May 18 09:40:09 <gaz`> which is annoying
May 18 09:40:10 <readme> by plotting black pixels on the left and top sides
May 18 09:40:11 <jluw9o> u know those r all free sample in sdk
May 18 09:40:15 <readme> oh
May 18 09:40:17 <readme> dumb
May 18 09:40:26 <readme> I'd raise an issue with whoever had that idea
May 18 09:40:54 <readme> politely explain the wide array of screen sizes and requirement of the designer to make approrpiate graphics
May 18 09:40:54 <gaz`> yeh, well they make ios versions then i simply get them assets and a video of the ios one then i have  to clone
May 18 09:40:58 <jluw9o> any other small game ?
May 18 09:41:02 <readme> oh
May 18 09:41:04 <readme> I've done that before
May 18 09:41:08 <readme> and I just sliced the 9 patches
May 18 09:41:09 <gaz`> yeh kinda tough
May 18 09:41:16 <readme> and said well "hey, its android -- sorry bro"
May 18 09:41:21 <jluw9o> where can i find many small games sources
May 18 09:41:22 <jluw9o> ?
May 18 09:41:31 <readme> if you want it better, get me a designer, or pay me to hire one.
May 18 09:41:36 <gaz`> yeh
May 18 09:41:38 <readme> except, be nice about it :)
May 18 09:41:41 <gaz`> good point
May 18 09:41:56 <jluw9o> me?
May 18 09:42:01 <alowaniak> hi
May 18 09:42:03 <gaz`> no one would even notice the stretching but some of the buttons look weird
May 18 09:42:08 <readme> if it looks visually nice: they won't kill you
May 18 09:42:22 <gaz`> actually it doesnt even need to work on tablets
May 18 09:42:23 <alowaniak> how can I keep progress dialog showing when pressed on screen? (atm the progress dialog dissapears when I press on screen)
May 18 09:42:34 <gaz`> i just want it to so i can demo it as a nice tab app
May 18 09:44:17 <gaz`> but yeh not gonna happen
May 18 09:44:36 <gaz`> i just went onto the 10 inch tab view and fixed it all up using fill_parent etc, but back on nexus one screen ratios are slightly off
May 18 09:45:21 <SimonVT> Usually you'd have separate layouts for tablets and phones
May 18 09:45:22 <gaz`> i guess as u say for android the assets would need to be thought about properly
May 18 09:45:29 <gaz`> oh yes thats a good point
May 18 09:45:35 <gaz`> then it would basically work
May 18 09:46:28 <gaz`> more work tho, altho not much more, i guess u drop em in the right place and the app will automatically grab the right one
May 18 09:48:30 <sprockeeking> ...i need to add a new library to ICS build. So i copy it to a folder android/vendor/abc ... when i do make i get an error
May 18 09:48:58 <gaz`> interesting :)
May 18 09:49:27 <sprockeeking> Error: Each module must use a LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS in its build/core/base_rules.mk:82: * Android.mk.
May 18 09:50:59 <sprockeeking> after some search, i found out that i can add the module name to GRANDFATHERED_USER_MODULES ... and the error goes
May 18 09:51:18 <gaz`> theres a special channel for this
May 18 09:51:24 <sprockeeking> is this the right way?
May 18 09:51:38 <sprockeeking> @gaz` ... for android builds?
May 18 09:51:43 <gaz`> yes
May 18 09:51:49 <gaz`> trying to remember the name
May 18 09:51:53 <sprockeeking> :)
May 18 09:51:55 <gaz`> #android-root maybe
May 18 09:51:57 <Mez> Hey - On a tablet - when you're in email - if you're portrait you get a list view, and if you're landscape you get the list down the edge with a full view of what you've selecetd.
May 18 09:52:09 <Mez> What is that called? I can't find any reference to it in the UI stuff
May 18 09:52:12 <sprockeeking> cool. i'll try that one. tx
May 18 09:52:33 <gaz`> np
May 18 09:52:45 <sprockeeking> #android-root
May 18 09:52:48 <pdrummond> Can anyone help me with onLoadFinished and main UI thread - very confused!
May 18 09:53:01 <gaz`> sprockeeking /join #android-root
May 18 09:53:02 <gaz`> :)
May 18 09:53:04 <Mez> aha
May 18 09:53:07 <Mez> fragments :)
May 18 09:53:39 <sprockeeking> :D new one here ... had heard a lot about xChat ... so just trying things ... dont mind
May 18 09:53:40 <jluw9o> gfhg
May 18 09:53:40 <jluw9o> gh
May 18 09:53:56 <jluw9o> where to find small android games sources ?
May 18 09:54:08 <gaz`> sprockeeking when i join here with xhchat it crashes! i have to use mirc justfor this channel
May 18 09:54:23 <jluw9o> where to find small android game sources ?
May 18 09:54:24 <gaz`> jluw9o just find java ones and port
May 18 09:54:29 <jluw9o> how
May 18 09:54:39 <jluw9o> android got lots o trash
May 18 09:54:44 <jluw9o> not just source.java
May 18 09:54:50 <gaz`> id find a template
May 18 09:54:55 <gaz`> look for mr snowman game template
May 18 09:54:58 <jluw9o> 10 more folders 50 more files
May 18 09:54:59 <sprockeeking> yea .. it works fine for newcomers ... it seems you've stored up a lot of knowledge ;)
May 18 09:55:04 <gaz`> or grab the lunar landing one from the samples
May 18 09:55:16 <gaz`> then its basically the same idea
May 18 09:55:43 <jluw9o> so i just replace the mainLumarlander.java  with xyz.java and leave all other files same ?
May 18 09:55:46 <gaz`> sprockeeking i learn 50% from sitting here all day and reading what these guys say and 50% from googling and tinkering
May 18 09:55:57 <gaz`> jluw9o no its gonna be harder than that!
May 18 09:56:07 <jluw9o> very hard ?
May 18 09:56:10 <gaz`> but you can steal the logic from a game and change the drawing calls
May 18 09:56:18 <gaz`> very hard if you arent pretty good with java yes
May 18 09:56:22 <Tsukaza> Ss there any way to resize the main.xml Layout automatically for the Phone screen?
May 18 09:56:24 <Tsukaza> Is
May 18 09:56:47 <readme> Tsukaza: if you wrote your layout in such a way that it needs to "resize" then something is wrong
May 18 09:56:48 <gaz`> Tsukaza fill_parent ?
May 18 09:57:16 <Tsukaza> I have an app that can be tested in many phones I want it to resize to the phone screen
May 18 09:57:27 <Tsukaza> I have fill parent but it does not fill my phone screen
May 18 09:57:32 <readme> Tsukaza: did you use absolute pixel dimensions or something?
May 18 09:57:45 <Tsukaza> I have a Linear Layout and inside it I have 4 Linear Layouts with Textview and Buttons nothing else
May 18 09:57:47 <Tsukaza> no readme I didn't
May 18 09:57:51 <readme> paste the layout
May 18 09:57:55 <Tsukaza> sec
May 18 09:58:24 <gaz`> ur a damn fine asset to this channel readme, seems like u help a lot of ppl :)
May 18 09:58:33 <readme> 8-)
May 18 09:58:35 <Tsukaza> http://pastebin.com/5NB9C8Jj
May 18 09:58:52 <gaz`> unless u actually work for google ?
May 18 09:58:56 <gaz`> even then :)
May 18 09:58:59 <Tsukaza> readme is the helpful person that this channel has. At least in the past 2 months he was :)
May 18 09:59:36 <readme> when you say 'take up the whole screen' do you mean you want each layout to share the screen proportionally?
May 18 09:59:53 <Tsukaza> each layout share it
May 18 10:00:01 <Tsukaza> and... what can I say...
May 18 10:00:14 <readme> set them all to layout_height="0dp" layout_weight="1"
May 18 10:00:29 <readme> the 4 inner ones
May 18 10:00:32 <Tsukaza> ok
May 18 10:00:41 <readme> and set their children height to fill_parent if you want to take up the space inside.
May 18 10:00:41 <Tsukaza> I want the that layout to cover the whole screen
May 18 10:00:46 <readme> yeah, it will
May 18 10:00:49 <Tsukaza> and try to have the Button and TV all centered
May 18 10:01:04 <Tsukaza> ok let me do that
May 18 10:01:23 <readme> you can use weights.. a layout will take up  weight / (sum of all weights) space.
May 18 10:01:30 <Tsukaza> oh
May 18 10:01:32 <Tsukaza> thats new for me
May 18 10:02:01 <pdrummond> Last attempt :-) It's pretty crazy that there is no answer to this question: http://goo.gl/C1pXy
May 18 10:03:10 <readme> pdrummond: there's your answer, first comment
May 18 10:03:14 <readme> your handler is frivolous
May 18 10:03:21 <readme> get rid
May 18 10:04:23 <Tsukaza> readme
May 18 10:04:36 <Tsukaza> I turned the inner layouts to that height and width
May 18 10:05:08 <readme> ?
May 18 10:05:19 <readme> is it the way you expect now?
May 18 10:05:24 <Tsukaza> they disappeared :P
May 18 10:05:32 <readme> height and weight
May 18 10:05:35 <readme> not width :)
May 18 10:05:38 <Tsukaza> oh dammit
May 18 10:05:42 <readme> leave width at fill_parent
May 18 10:06:15 <pdrummond> readme: Maybe I am reading it wrong, but why the handler is already on UI thread?
May 18 10:06:39 <Tsukaza> Done, same, they sisappeared
May 18 10:07:21 <Tsukaza> let me test on the phone sec
May 18 10:07:41 <pdrummond> readme:  Question is whether onLoadFinished is called from UI thread.  I say it is but Reto's book says it isn't!
May 18 10:08:44 <readme> pdrummond: books have errors often
May 18 10:09:00 <readme> i'd trust commonsware
May 18 10:09:32 <readme> not to mention, your own experience verifies it
May 18 10:09:54 <SimonVT> It depends on the Loader implementation
May 18 10:10:04 <SimonVT> There's nothing in the contract that requires it
May 18 10:10:48 <readme> Tsukaza: http://pastie.org/3929740
May 18 10:11:14 <readme> A will share 1/2 and 1/2
May 18 10:12:12 <SimonVT> pdrummond: With CursorLoader you're pretty much guaranteed it's called on the main thread
May 18 10:12:16 <Tsukaza> readme it works pretty good. its perfect Thanyou so much :D
May 18 10:12:20 <Tsukaza> oh you have a pastebin let me check
May 18 10:12:36 <Tsukaza> yeah that ^^
May 18 10:12:38 <SimonVT> Since it uses an asynctask for its threading
May 18 10:13:10 <readme> i like how this question gets only one vote on stackoverflow
May 18 10:13:14 <readme> even though it's a pretty good one.
May 18 10:13:21 * readme votes
May 18 10:13:21 <SimonVT> You'd have to try pretty hard for the asynctask handler to not be on the main thread
May 18 10:13:45 <pdrummond> You guys answer too quickly - trying to keep up :-)
May 18 10:14:33 <SimonVT> i.e. create a thread, create a looper, start an asynctask from that thread
May 18 10:14:33 <pdrummond> SimonVT: Thanks - that explains it!  That is not mentioned in book nor in Android docs though, but it does make sense
May 18 10:14:50 <pdrummond> readme: Good advice to trust commonsware - I'll remember that :-)
May 18 10:17:03 <pdrummond> readme:  SimonVT:  Voted.  Deserves an answer too!  ;-)
May 18 10:18:16 <napoleoncomplex> hello everyone, a quick question here: i have a TableLayout where I add rows programatically, by going through an array, and adding all the elements. if there is only one row added to the table, I get indexOfChild for that row in the table as -1, yet when there are two or more rows, they are correctly indexed as 0 and 1
May 18 10:18:20 <napoleoncomplex> any clues?
May 18 10:21:46 <alowaniak> how can I keep progress dialog showing when pressed on screen? (atm the progress dialog dissapears when I press on screen)
May 18 10:23:47 <pdrummond> alowaniak: dlg.setCancelable(false)
May 18 10:23:59 <alowaniak> ty
May 18 10:26:52 <pdrummond> readme: SimonVT: Okay to answer and reference you guys? ;-)
May 18 10:27:05 <pdrummond> readme: SimonVT: on SO I mean
May 18 10:29:25 <SimonVT> pdrummond: Sure
May 18 10:30:14 <ocx> what would be best : to include service in thread or to include thread in service
May 18 10:30:28 <SimonVT> The first one doesn't make sense
May 18 10:30:31 <SimonVT> So the second
May 18 10:32:24 <pdrummond> SimonVT, readme: done.  Thanks for your help
May 18 10:34:35 <zzattack> can I define View attributes that are dependent on the active theme, so that I can style my views with something like <View android:background="@theme/bgcolor"/> perhaps?
May 18 10:37:13 <ocx> is there a sharing of contexts between activities and services?
May 18 10:38:45 <SimonVT> Sharing of context?
May 18 10:38:51 <SimonVT> Context is a class both extend
May 18 10:38:57 <ocx> yes
May 18 10:38:58 <SimonVT> Two seperate instances
May 18 10:39:08 <ocx> so each has its own context right
May 18 10:39:11 <ocx> ok
May 18 10:41:41 <readme> pdrummond: no need
May 18 10:42:09 <readme> pdrummond: if anyone should be thanked it should be SimonVT. I was merely commenting.
May 18 10:47:45 <ocx> SimonVT: what about Threads?
May 18 10:47:57 <ocx> they also have their own contexts?
May 18 10:48:11 <ocx> or they share the context of the activity/service that fired them
May 18 10:49:50 <SimonVT> Thread does not extend Context
May 18 10:50:12 <SimonVT> If it's an inner class of either, it'll have access to the instance
May 18 10:53:48 <ocx> ok
May 18 11:05:24 <manit> hello
May 18 11:08:30 <rawroland> Hello,
May 18 11:09:08 <rawroland> Do I need to check if an asynctask is runnig, or will starting a new one cancel any running threads?
May 18 11:10:34 <readme> "this function schedules the task on a queue for a single background thread or pool of threads depending on the platform version. "
May 18 11:11:15 <readme> tbh, I often just set an asynctask to null and let it GC after it runs and use whether it's null as an indicator of whether it's running
May 18 11:11:51 <rawroland> readme: Ah thanks.
May 18 11:20:01 <Trudko> hi I am using  MyTheme.xml to well set styles and I would like to make my button transparent for that I useed      <item name="android:background">@android:color/transparent"</item> but  I get erro error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'android:background' with value
May 18 11:20:02 <Trudko>  '@android:color/transparent"').
May 18 11:25:42 <dada> Trudko: you have an extra " after @android:color/transparent
May 18 11:26:19 <Trudko> *facepalm*
May 18 11:33:14 <canadiancow> nothign like the sound of a few ups' to wake you up in the morning =\
May 18 11:33:47 <Zider> you mean kernel oops?
May 18 11:34:31 <Trudko> I am looking for some alrady done nice style gridviews anyone have an idea where I could find it?
May 18 11:34:37 <baradasahu> hi, anyone know how to play a media file from internal storage/sdcard using mediaplayer
May 18 11:41:40 <appel1> baradasahu: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/mediaplayer.html
May 18 11:42:13 <baradasahu> Already read through that, all they have are directions at how to read it from the res folder or else from a streaming server
May 18 11:42:32 <appel1> baradasahu: then you didn't read it carefully enough
May 18 11:42:45 <appel1> baradasahu: "And here is how you might play from a URI available locally in the system (that you obtained through a Content Resolver, for instance):"
May 18 11:43:18 <baradasahu> Actually am trying that with a content resolver as well… still facing similar issues
May 18 11:43:40 <baradasahu> one thing that keeps popping up in log cat is:  bufferCount (4) is too small and increased to 12
May 18 11:44:00 <baradasahu> And post that I see the error(1, file size)
May 18 11:44:18 <appel1> baradasahu: does the URI point to a support media file?
May 18 11:44:33 <baradasahu> Yeah the same file plays when I store it in my res/raw folder
May 18 11:44:46 <appel1> baradasahu: is your URI correct?
May 18 11:45:15 <baradasahu> Yup uri is correct as well, as when I read the file contents and get the length i can see that it gives me the correct size
May 18 11:49:21 <appel1> baradasahu: where have you put the file? is it on a sdcard? what are the permissions for the file?
May 18 11:50:26 <storkme_> eclipse is a real pos
May 18 11:50:29 <baradasahu> The file is in an internal storage folder, am actually saving it programatically using openFileOutput("myfile.mp4" , Context.MODE_WORLD_READABLE);
May 18 11:50:59 <baradasahu> the path works out something like /data/data/com.mypackage/files/myfile.mp4
May 18 11:51:38 <appel1> baradasahu: tried using setDataSource(FileDescriptor) instead?
May 18 11:52:04 <baradasahu> Yeah lemme give it a shot, now when I tried adb push into the same folder it seems to be working
May 18 11:52:10 <baradasahu> Thanks appel1
May 18 11:55:25 <zzattack> can I make a ToggleButton not update its checked state when it's clicked, but still handle the onClick and manually update the checked state myself?
May 18 11:58:35 <uzer1> hello
May 18 11:58:58 <uzer1> does anyone know where the android kernel sources have gone?
May 18 11:59:29 <uzer1> I tried "wget http://android.git.kernel.org/repo" but I'm getting a 404
May 18 12:00:06 <uzer1> any help with this much appreciated.
May 18 12:00:45 <canadiancow> so those were never just the kernel sources
May 18 12:00:53 <canadiancow> it was the full source to everything
May 18 12:00:56 <canadiancow> and it's been moved
May 18 12:00:59 <canadiancow> check s.android.com
May 18 12:02:47 <uzer1> so what should I type in instead of this line? I am trying to follow some instructions.
May 18 12:03:13 <uzer1> found here: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/BuildAndroid
May 18 12:03:32 <readme> I use my girlfriend as QA
May 18 12:03:38 <readme> she just found a timezone bug
May 18 12:03:40 <readme> :D
May 18 12:03:46 <appel1> uzer1: why not follow the instructions from http://s.android.com/source/downloading.html ?
May 18 12:05:06 <uzer1> bcause it seems alot more convoluted. :/
May 18 12:05:59 <canadiancow> i dont know uzer1
May 18 12:06:01 <canadiancow> read s.android.com
May 18 12:06:07 <canadiancow> follow the official guide...
May 18 12:06:17 <canadiancow> also, this channel is for android APP development
May 18 12:06:24 <canadiancow> you're probably better off in #android-root or something
May 18 12:08:57 <uzer1> hmm.
May 18 12:09:34 <readme> \o/ release candidate
May 18 12:10:50 <uzer1> It makes me think why they chose to make things complicated.
May 18 12:30:29 <sha1sum> Hey all. I'm catching SocketExceptions inside of my AsyncTask but it seems that a RuntimeException is getting thrown anyway. I don't want to simply catch RuntimeExceptions, but I also want to handle SocketExceptions without a RuntimeException being thrown, causing the app to force close. Any way to prevent this behavior?
May 18 12:31:19 <Snuffel> you can't catch runtimeexceptions
May 18 12:31:22 <Snuffel> you need to prevent them
May 18 12:33:30 <Snuffel> and a socketexception is not a runtimeexception
May 18 12:33:49 <SimonVT> Sure you can catch runtimeexceptions
May 18 12:34:04 <SimonVT> They're just not checked exceptions
May 18 12:34:12 <sha1sum> yeah good I don't want to.
May 18 12:34:12 <sha1sum> I just want to catch the SocketException, which I'm attempting to do.
May 18 12:34:12 <sha1sum> but RuntimeExceptions being thrown anyway in the event of a SocketException
May 18 12:34:27 <sha1sum> Snuffel: I don't think you're understanding my issue.
May 18 12:34:33 <Snuffel> if the socketexception is not caught then perhaps
May 18 12:35:55 <asfdd> how can i listen for the enter key in an editText. I tried looking at TextWatcher but it doesn't seem to be exactly what i want. Any suggestions?
May 18 12:36:43 <MDijkstra> sha1sum: which runtimeexception is being thrown?
May 18 12:38:12 <sha1sum> here is the code:
May 18 12:38:16 <sha1sum> http://pastie.org/3930286
May 18 12:38:20 <sha1sum> here is the stacktrace:
May 18 12:38:30 <sha1sum> http://pastie.org/3930303
May 18 12:39:04 <MDijkstra> Caused by: com.retailingwireless.asd.rss.RSSFault: org.apache.http.conn.HttpHostConnectException:
May 18 12:39:46 <asfdd> you can catch runtime exception
May 18 12:39:55 <sha1sum> yeah when I try to catch HttpHostConnectException eclipse complains that it's unreachable because it is caught by SocketException
May 18 12:40:04 <asfdd> just try { ,... } catch(RuntimeException ex) { handle }
May 18 12:40:20 <MDijkstra> pointless in this case
May 18 12:40:22 <sha1sum> asfdd: that's the thing: I don't want to catch all runtimeexceptions
May 18 12:40:26 <MDijkstra> the runtimeexception is not the problem
May 18 12:40:38 <asfdd> so cathc the runtime exception do an instanceof
May 18 12:40:43 <asfdd> if it isn't your exception
May 18 12:40:44 <asfdd> throw it agian
May 18 12:40:46 <MDijkstra> ...
May 18 12:41:04 <asfdd> its not pretty but cehcekd exceptions never are in java
May 18 12:41:35 <sha1sum> I'm sure I'm missing something simple
May 18 12:41:40 <MDijkstra> the runtimeexception is being thrown because there is an uncaught exception in his code
May 18 12:41:50 <asfdd> yes and that is an unchecked exception
May 18 12:41:56 <asfdd> else it wouldn't compile
May 18 12:42:17 <sha1sum> MDijkstra: like I said, though, eclipse says that HttpHostConnectException catch block is unreachable because it's handled by the SocketException catch
May 18 12:42:38 <manit> ok
May 18 12:42:41 <sha1sum> I'm guessing HttpHostConnectException is a subclass of SocketException
May 18 12:42:47 <asfdd> sha1sum fix your imports probably
May 18 12:43:23 <asfdd> or catch (org.apache.http.conn.HttpHostConnectException ex) instead of just the class name
May 18 12:44:07 <sha1sum> "Unreachable catch block for HttpHostConnectException. It is already handled by the catch block for SocketException"
May 18 12:44:41 <Snuffel> move it up then
May 18 12:44:41 <sha1sum> asfdd: that's with full package and class ---^
May 18 12:44:46 <Snuffel> change the order
May 18 12:44:54 <asfdd> ok don't use eclipse :P
May 18 12:45:13 <asfdd> well if it is handeld by the above block it could never escape his code
May 18 12:45:14 <Snuffel> catch HttpHostConnectException. before SocketException"
May 18 12:45:27 <sha1sum> Snuffel: good call
May 18 12:45:30 <readme> how about: don't catch each exception separately if you're just going to do the same exact thing to handle every one of them anyway.
May 18 12:45:40 <Snuffel> just catch Exception :)'
May 18 12:45:43 <readme> ^
May 18 12:45:44 <readme> +1
May 18 12:45:54 <alankila> ...and then rethrow it as RuntimeException like a pro
May 18 12:46:01 <sha1sum> asfdd: catching RuntimeException and using instanceof: cheap. Not using eclipse: cheap.
May 18 12:46:08 <sha1sum> heh
May 18 12:46:17 <Snuffel> what's the alternative then
May 18 12:46:20 <Snuffel> NetBeans?
May 18 12:46:27 <Snuffel> IntelliJ?
May 18 12:46:29 <asfdd> Netbeans, Idea
May 18 12:46:42 <Snuffel> those aren't free, are they
May 18 12:46:46 <asfdd> netbeans is
May 18 12:46:50 <asfdd> idea has a community edition
May 18 12:47:02 <Snuffel> i like Eclipse better
May 18 12:47:17 <sha1sum> readme: I'm not going to be doing the same thing with all of them unfortunately. Good idea, though. :)
May 18 12:47:54 <readme> sha1sum:
May 18 12:48:06 <readme> if you catch Exception, you catch every subclass of exception
May 18 12:48:10 <readme> the same goes for SocketException
May 18 12:48:41 <alankila> jdk7 supports multiple exceptions per a catch block. Sadly, android fail
May 18 12:49:19 <sha1sum> readme: I suppose I can catch specific ones first and handle them the way I want then just catch everything else at the bottom with Exception -- makes more sense
May 18 12:49:37 <Snuffel> that's how everyone else does it
May 18 12:49:39 <readme> yes
May 18 12:50:24 <sha1sum> I'm using ACRA so I know it's sad but I kind of wanted crashes to happen so I could figure out what the problem is and fix it.
May 18 12:51:21 <SimonVT> Use a library that lets you submit catched exceptions
May 18 12:51:57 <sha1sum> SimonVT: know of a good one?
May 18 12:52:06 <Trudko> Guys hwo do I set xml layout for ImageView If I create this image view programtically(i am creating it that way because I know content of imageview during runtime)
May 18 12:52:08 <SimonVT> I use bugsense
May 18 12:52:21 <sha1sum> SimonVT: cool I'll check that out thanks :)
May 18 12:52:50 <alankila> Trudko: wut, imageviews have some internal xml layout?
May 18 12:53:05 <Trudko> sorry
May 18 12:53:08 <Trudko> I meant style rather
May 18 12:53:37 <Trudko> or wait
May 18 12:53:37 <alankila> new ImageView(context, attributes) I imagine
May 18 12:53:45 <alankila> don't ask me how to generate attributes though
May 18 12:54:31 <alankila> there's some XML access methods in the layouting system which probably allow you to convert R.xml.something directly into attributeset
May 18 12:54:44 <alankila> but I don't really know anything about that
May 18 12:55:56 <Trudko> hmm or can I for example set  in gridview  style for each item inside of that gridview? that would work too
May 18 12:56:00 <alankila> you could also use getLayoutInflater().inflate(resourceId, null) or something such to generate a single element from xml description
May 18 13:01:42 <pseudonymous> Anyone using ant to build and test ? I can run 'ant debug install' and 'ant test' yet the latter only runs ONE of my instrumentation test cases, not the other.. What gives ?
May 18 13:02:45 <m1hael> hi, i have multiple apps and need to store somewhere/somehow a user/pass for accessing web services. the user doesn't need to be aware of these. he doesn't need to change them. there is exactly one user/pass combi for _all_ apps. what is the android way for doing this?
May 18 13:02:48 <zarac> pseudonymous: Pastebin your config. =D
May 18 13:04:06 <pseudonymous> zarac: I think it may be a case of mild to severe retardation. I double-checked and the 2nd Instrumentation testcase had a filename which didn't end in .java.. Whoopsie :D
May 18 13:04:23 <zarac> pseudonymous: Yay! ; )
May 18 13:04:45 <zarac> So nice when you get a free fix.. ; )
May 18 13:04:54 <zarac> Kinda free anyway...
May 18 13:05:44 <prateekp> http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html  while configuring USB access what username should i give
May 18 13:07:49 <prateekp> http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html  while configuring USB access what username should i give
May 18 13:08:38 <manit> prateekp: use your root in your linux system
May 18 13:08:38 <readme> there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home
May 18 13:09:04 <Trudko> alankila, hmm any idea how to set border for imageview(programatically)
May 18 13:09:30 <prateekp> manit: one more thing is it necessary to download gnu
May 18 13:09:31 <alankila> Trudko: no. Don't know anything about these attribtuesets
May 18 13:09:32 <Trudko> I am showing images in Gridview and it does not look good
May 18 13:09:38 <Trudko> ok nevermind
May 18 13:10:01 * alankila would hope it would be just imageView.setBorder(something) but given that it's android, there's probably some attributeset gunk involved
May 18 13:10:11 <manit> prateekp: means?
May 18 13:11:03 <manit> prateekp: oh that GNU make?
May 18 13:12:30 <prateekp> yes
May 18 13:12:32 <Tsukaza> Can we save files into Android personal SD Card?
May 18 13:12:36 <Tsukaza> and read them
May 18 13:12:39 <prateekp> what to do about it
May 18 13:12:57 <prateekp> is it available on ubuntu software center
May 18 13:13:34 <manit> prateekp: check it on synaptic package manager
May 18 13:13:41 <prateekp> ok
May 18 13:14:15 <manit> prateekp: mostly GNU comes with linux out of box
May 18 13:14:29 <prateekp> ok fine
May 18 13:15:25 <prateekp> manit: on this page http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html  what repo sync command do
May 18 13:15:39 <prateekp> i guess its not working in my system
May 18 13:17:01 <manit> prateekp: its the git
May 18 13:17:13 <manit> prateekp: have u installed it?
May 18 13:17:35 <prateekp> what
May 18 13:17:47 <Tsukaza> Is there a way to know if the External SD Card is connected to the phone??
May 18 13:17:57 <manit> prateekp: are u building android for emulator ,pandaboard or nexus device?
May 18 13:17:58 <prateekp> u mean the above steps
May 18 13:18:13 <prateekp> i am new to android development
May 18 13:18:19 <prateekp> i want to learn i
May 18 13:18:20 <prateekp> it
May 18 13:18:37 <prateekp> if u can help me it would be greatful
May 18 13:18:49 <KaiSforza> Does anyone have a copy of the liquidsmooth 1.35 rom?
May 18 13:18:57 <prateekp> or rather suggest me a good reading for beginners like me
May 18 13:19:11 <manit> prateekp: do u want to make apps or want your custom android & using it for embedded systems?
May 18 13:19:25 <prateekp> make apps
May 18 13:19:35 <rawroland> has anybody had any experience with autocompleteview and dynamically changing suggestions
May 18 13:19:49 <wongk> KaiSforza: #android-root
May 18 13:20:24 <manit> prateekp: well then you are using wrong link as this source.android.com is for developers who want to use android for custom electronics devices
May 18 13:20:30 <wongk> prateekp: do you have a reason for downloading the Android source code?
May 18 13:20:35 <KaiSforza> wongk: been waiting there. Second day I've asked now.
May 18 13:20:44 <wongk> KaiSforza: sorry to hear that
May 18 13:20:45 <manit> prateekp: for application developement go to developer.android.com
May 18 13:20:50 <rawroland> I am trying to update an autocompleteview with json results from a php webservices, but I keep getting a crash on trying to set the adapter with the new array
May 18 13:21:09 <manit> prateekp: & download the android SDK
May 18 13:21:53 <prateekp> dont i need to download the source code
May 18 13:23:14 <manit> prateekp: are u looking for making your own device? or just want to make application for general android mobiles?
May 18 13:23:35 <prateekp> make apps for general android mobiles
May 18 13:23:58 <manit> prateekp: then go to developer.android.com
May 18 13:24:16 <prateekp> then on that i download the sk
May 18 13:24:21 <prateekp> sdk right?
May 18 13:24:35 <manit> prateekp: yes
May 18 13:24:52 <prateekp> is sdk a gui based software
May 18 13:24:58 <prateekp> or coomand line
May 18 13:25:08 <manit> prateekp: its GUI
May 18 13:25:15 <prateekp> ok
May 18 13:25:17 <prateekp> fine
May 18 13:25:33 <alankila> Ah. Most work for least effect ever, or something: double d = Double.valueOf(new Integer(i).toString()).doubleValue();
May 18 13:26:06 <alankila> smells like outsourced code. I've seen this sort of stuff before but only in outsourced code
May 18 13:26:56 <wongk> alankila: sounds ready to ship
May 18 13:28:03 <alankila> there's only one thing which beats this, and it was called "stand back, I got hexadecimal" on thedailywtf
May 18 13:28:04 <hrnt> alankila: haha
May 18 13:28:12 <hrnt> alankila: i like how they use Double.valueOf but not Integer.valueOf
May 18 13:28:23 <alankila> where a conversion went like this: switch (i) { case 1: val = 0x1; break; case 2: val = 0x2; break; etc.
May 18 13:28:42 <hrnt> (erm, never mind) :)
May 18 13:29:08 <Trudko> Guys I have 4 buttons and I want to delete one of them. Is called Historia but because of layout_above I can really because layout oif ther is dependent on it. How to fix that. http://pastebin.com/JmX44PbE
May 18 13:29:25 <Trudko> I was playing with it but I am not sure if I uderstand layout correctly
May 18 13:31:10 <ocx> hi, how can i make mylistview refresh automatcally with new data ? actually i am retreiving some data from database and displaying in listview, data is changing frequently and would like them to be reflected in the GUI
May 18 13:31:24 <EnRohbi> Anyone know a really good tutorial/book with a solid section on using bound services?  The Dev Guide on the subject doesn't seem to be helping me as much as it should
May 18 13:31:41 <mrenouf> ocx, notifyContentSomethingOrOther on the adapter
May 18 13:32:08 <bsilwal> Selenium guys. i got https://gist.github.com/2725274 when i was trying to install android.apk .Is it ok ?
May 18 13:32:51 <ocx> should i do a infinite loop and include the notifycontentsomething inside that loop?
May 18 13:34:15 <manit> ocx: check this rss feed example , in that data i.e. news from feed changing constantly
May 18 13:34:19 <manit> ocx: http://android-er.blogspot.in/2010/04/simple-rss-reader-in-listview.html
May 18 13:34:24 <ocx> thanks
May 18 13:34:57 <manit> ocx : here is another good example http://androidresearch.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/creating-a-simple-rss-application-in-android/
May 18 13:36:05 <m1hael> hi, i have multiple apps and need to store somewhere/somehow a user/pass for accessing web services. the user doesn't need to be aware of these. he doesn't need to change them. there is exactly one user/pass combi for _all_ apps. what is the android way for doing this?
May 18 13:36:47 <Vanscot> Do I need to have a BroadcastReceiver in one activity if I want it to do something when a broadcast is sent? Even if I have the filter declared in the AndroidManifest.xml?
May 18 13:37:11 <Vanscot> m1hael: Shared prefs?
May 18 13:38:05 <Vanscot> But they can be modified by the users if they root their device.
May 18 13:39:13 <ocx> i dont like infinite loops i feel they eat up the battery and cpu
May 18 13:40:40 <john_doe_jr> What is the path to get to your package in android....I know it's something like android.R.com.yourpackagename. etc...anybody?
May 18 13:41:20 <ocx> : /data/data/packagename/
May 18 13:42:15 <ocx> manit: in this article http://androidresearch.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/creating-a-simple-rss-application-in-android/ where is he refreshing the listview?
May 18 13:46:02 <Nonninz> hello guys. In a rooted phone/emulator is there a way for sending a system broadcast intent for debugging?
May 18 13:46:07 <bsilwal> when i do ./adb devices it gives empty list
May 18 13:46:22 <Nonninz> like with adb, or with the shell (I have CM9, so bash)
May 18 13:46:33 <ocx> bsilwal:start emulator first
May 18 13:47:28 <bsilwal> ocx: i have emulator-x86 running already
May 18 13:48:18 <ocx> bsilwal: try adb kill-server before adb devices
May 18 13:51:54 <bsilwal> ocx: just restarting my emulator and killing eclipse.. i was trying out on the emulator instance started by eclipse
May 18 13:53:50 <john_doe_jr> Alright where is your package stored in android...for example, I can get to my layout file using the following notatoin com.my.package.R.layout.main if I supply package com.my.package at the top of my file .... where is that package stored in the android hierachy?
May 18 13:55:39 <john_doe_jr> nevermind I think the problem is that I'm importing the android.R at the top
May 18 13:56:50 <wongk> protip: it's generally better to call android.R.etc rather than importing it
May 18 13:57:02 <maraz> in fact, you should never import it.
May 18 13:57:06 <Tsukaza> I must set Permissions to Read form External SD CArd?
May 18 13:57:59 <john_doe_jr> maraz: Well, I often just use CLTR + 0 to automatically import all the needed classes so this is the reaosn why this happened to me
May 18 13:58:06 <maraz> john_doe_jr: indeed.
May 18 13:58:32 <zzattack> can I somehow inherit or copy an existing selector (in my case @android:drawable/list_selector_background). it contains some <item>s that specify a non-public resource
May 18 13:58:55 <m1hael> Vanscot: thanx. yes SharedPrefs is one possibility. I thought of something like using the AccountManager. But it seems that the AccountManager is solely for the SyncAdapter
May 18 13:59:22 <Tsukaza> I tried to read from a file located in /mnt/sdcard/... but it gives me Permission Denied, can someone help me?
May 18 14:00:34 <john_doe_jr> maraz: I'm still curious where android stores my src package though in the android.etc hierarcy...
May 18 14:01:30 <maraz> john_doe_jr: they are completely separate packages
May 18 14:01:53 <rhpot1991> I'm having issues with http live streaming in a VideoView, playback is incredibly choppy
May 18 14:02:16 <rhpot1991> the stream itself is fine, as tested in different media players
May 18 14:02:32 <Vanscot> m1hael: np
May 18 14:02:54 <ocx> how can i read the returned value of a Service Method?
May 18 14:03:27 <ocx> i want to read it in the activity that fired that service
May 18 14:04:00 <ixc> ocx: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3197335/restful-api-service/3197456#3197456
May 18 14:04:49 <ixc> is a little more, but i think nice way for do that
May 18 14:05:02 <rhpot1991> sample of the code for playback: http://pastebin.com/xM6iK4xv
May 18 14:05:58 <VitorM> How can I solve this? java.io.FileNotFoundException: /sdcard/caalyxmv.conf (Permission denied)
May 18 14:06:47 <dragorn> VitorM: you probably need to give your app write_external permission
May 18 14:06:50 <ixc> VitorM: WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission?
May 18 14:06:58 <VitorM> I have that in manifest
May 18 14:07:03 <john_doe_jr> maraz: thanks, I wasn't aware of that
May 18 14:07:31 <VitorM> dragorn ixc: I have <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE"/> in my AndroidManifest.xml
May 18 14:08:07 <ixc> strictmode?
May 18 14:08:10 <dragorn> does your device actually use /sdcard ? you should use the api to get the external storage directory
May 18 14:08:17 <ixc> maybe u try on ui thread and strictmode on
May 18 14:08:29 <dragorn> getExternalStorage or something like that, I forget
May 18 14:08:32 <VitorM> Here: http://pastebin.com/9AEftuSb
May 18 14:08:40 <dragorn> ixc: strictmode usually kills you dead, doesn't it?
May 18 14:08:44 <VitorM> I used that previously
May 18 14:08:48 <ixc> dont use directly
May 18 14:09:01 <ixc> dragorn: u can specify only warnings or exception etc
May 18 14:09:18 <dragorn> VitorM: you should use the API to get the external storage directory; it may not be /sdcard.  Sometimes it's /mnt/sdcard, /mnt/sdcard-external, etc
May 18 14:09:28 <ixc> yes
May 18 14:09:32 <ixc> and also check is mounted, etc
May 18 14:09:56 <ixc> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesExternal
May 18 14:10:05 <VitorM> you mean this: http://pastebin.com/H610qpdR
May 18 14:10:09 <VitorM> I already used and same error
May 18 14:10:32 <dragorn> yeah there's a lot of other fluff you should do too, but start with getting the directory via the API.  if I recall from yesterday he's mostly doing this as a debug stage to dump settings out, but if this is going in final code, check mount state, etc too
May 18 14:11:10 <ixc> VitorM: what is output of Environment.getExternalStorageState()?
May 18 14:11:44 <VitorM> ixc: state?? im going to add that line and check the output, sec
May 18 14:12:10 <dragorn> VitorM: make sure you're in charge-only mode if you're trying to use the storage while plugged into usb
May 18 14:12:33 <VitorM> state is shared
May 18 14:12:56 <ixc> returns MEDIA_SHARED if the media is present not mounted, and shared via USB mass storage.
May 18 14:12:59 <ixc> Constant Value: "shared"
May 18 14:13:06 <ixc> i think u got the answer
May 18 14:13:08 <VitorM> Ok... yeah
May 18 14:13:15 <dragorn> VitorM: so yeah.  you can't write to the sdcard while its' exported as a storage device over usb
May 18 14:13:17 <VitorM> lol omg, never thought that this could happen...
May 18 14:13:29 <VitorM> Dammit, I had connected to the PC
May 18 14:13:39 <dragorn> it's not mounted, which means writing to /mnt/sdcard tries to write into that directory on the filesystem, not into the mountpoint
May 18 14:20:10 <john_doe_jr> in my OnCreate I have a declaration of 'View start_button = findViewById(com.my.package.R.id.bStart);' and a onlick event as follows: 'start_button.start_button.setOnClickListener(this);' right below it....why does my program keep crashing at the setOnClickListener?...any ideas?
May 18 14:21:28 <tors> john_doe_jr: the stacktrace should tell what the problem is
May 18 14:22:44 <john_doe_jr> tors: well, the problem was that I'm declaring it as a View when infact it is a button
May 18 14:33:39 <Trudko> Guys I copied some classes from project A to project B in eclipse then package in project went white so I thought I remove the files from it. So I copied same fiels to same package from porject B and now I get error on project a 05-18 14:30:15.580: E/AndroidRuntime(436): Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: sk.toth.resistance.ImageProcessingActivity in loader dalvik.system.PathClassLoader[/data/app/sk.imageProcessing.main-2.apk]
May 18 14:33:50 <Trudko> I tried to clean project restart eclipse/emulator nothing worked
May 18 14:36:16 <ixc> Trudko: and u have ImageProcessingActivity under the sk.toth.resistance package?
May 18 14:36:18 <bsilwal> anybody using selenium with android emulator ?
May 18 14:36:48 <Trudko> yes
May 18 14:36:52 <Trudko> ixc I do
May 18 14:37:08 <bsilwal> My android driver is running test and the test is passing but i cannot see anything happening in the emulator ? Its vague but any idea whats happening ?
May 18 14:37:51 <Trudko> wait i think i found something
May 18 14:38:19 <ixc> Trudko: r u sure? its in this package? class is exists? no problem with paths?
May 18 14:38:58 <Trudko> ok problem was in android manifest eclipse changed path to class to path from project B for some reason
May 18 14:42:35 <Gsingh> I am trying to push a window when the soft keyboard pops up so that when the bottom edge of the window lines up with the top edge of the keyboard. This is to happen only if the last place the user clicked before bringing up the keyboard was an area behind what the keyboard takes up.
May 18 14:53:48 <canadiancow|work> found a bug in lint
May 18 14:54:00 <HacDan> well get out of it
May 18 14:54:00 <canadiancow|work> my intern used View#setAlpha(float) and it didnt pick it up as being api 11 :(
May 18 14:54:03 <HacDan> then there won't be a bug
May 18 15:04:58 <SMlLe> hi
May 18 15:05:50 <SMlLe> what intent is if i can execute my app when conect my phone at car bluetooh?
May 18 15:07:12 <Gsingh> how would I push up the entire layout when the keyboard pops up? Basically I want the bottom edge of the layout to align with the top edge of the keyboard
May 18 15:14:36 <abaratican> Gsingh: adjustResize
May 18 15:16:16 <bsilwal> anyone selenium fan here?
May 18 15:19:32 <Gsingh> abartican: that does not work because I am not select a edit text or something
May 18 15:22:04 <Tsukaza> How can I create an APK?
May 18 15:22:22 <ixc> release the project :)
May 18 15:22:32 <ixc> ant release :)
May 18 15:22:33 <Tsukaza> Ok ty :)
May 18 15:24:23 <Tsukaza> ixc Do you know how to do it in IntelliJ?
May 18 15:24:28 <Tsukaza> Generate and build ?
May 18 15:24:40 <Tsukaza> ant
May 18 15:24:57 <ixc> i never used intellij, but yes generate and build sure make one
May 18 15:25:07 <ixc> not sure about it will signed or not
May 18 15:52:39 <Timmaah1201> Hey guys, I've installed the SDK, and the ADT and created an AVD.. but was wondering something. Everytime I start an android project the files automatically created show an error.. There's the red squiggly line under R in setContentView(R.layout.main); . If I import the android.r.* package then it says main is an unknown field or name, even though the main.xml exists. Should I worry? Is there a specific reason for this?
May 18 15:53:39 <cketti> you need to build the project. the R class is automatically generated from your res/* files
May 18 15:54:07 <cketti> and remove the import for android.R.*
May 18 15:56:39 <Timmaah1201> thanks :)
May 18 15:56:42 <readme> Gsingh: window:softInputMode="adjustResize" on your activity
May 18 15:57:05 <readme> or maybe adjustPan
May 18 15:57:22 <readme> the difference between those is implied fairly well by their names.
May 18 15:58:20 <readme> Gsingh: I use adjustResize for this, so I'm fairly confident it doers work in come capacity.
May 18 15:58:27 <readme> does*
May 18 15:58:37 <readme> anyway, I finished my bagel so it's naptime
May 18 16:00:19 <manit> hi
May 18 16:05:13 <manit> hi
May 18 16:06:05 <sukramTM> What is the best way to save login and password from the user, wich the app need to connect to a webservice?
May 18 16:08:08 <zhulikas> how can I send mock gps data to a real device?
May 18 16:08:35 <luxurymode> I'm having trouble getting views added in a gridlayout to show up underneath each other. e.g. when i set the layoutparams of the second child of the layout to a spec for row2, it doesnt seem to respect that and, instead, stack the view on top of the previously added child
May 18 16:10:02 <manit> zhulikas: check this link http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2531317/android-mock-location-on-device
May 18 16:10:39 <manit> you can send mock gps data using  DDMS
May 18 16:10:40 <zhulikas> so... in code :|
May 18 16:10:52 <zhulikas> I don't see how
May 18 16:11:30 <zhulikas> I don't really want to write the code
May 18 16:11:36 <zhulikas> so how can I do that with DDMS
May 18 16:11:40 <zhulikas> Emulator Control is disabled
May 18 16:11:47 <zhulikas> even though I select my device in Devices window
May 18 16:11:54 <zhulikas> and have enabled mock locations in device
May 18 16:12:01 <manit> you can  also send mock data without writing code
May 18 16:12:36 <Timmaah1201> trying to run the hello world android app following the tutorial on the android developers page.. i get a "failed to install helloandroid.apk on device 'emulator-5554'! then (null) then launch canceled :/
May 18 16:12:49 <Timmaah1201> Anyway to get a better error message than null?
May 18 16:13:01 <zhulikas> Timmaah1201, you can only get used to it
May 18 16:13:02 <zhulikas> :D
May 18 16:13:26 <zhulikas> try checking stacktrace
May 18 16:13:29 <zhulikas> there must be one
May 18 16:14:59 <zhulikas> installing fake gps location app...
May 18 16:15:02 <zhulikas> close enough
May 18 16:17:17 <alenko> Hi Android-dev
May 18 16:17:24 <alenko> I have a problem with my phoneapp
May 18 16:17:34 <alenko> How do i rotate a object?
May 18 16:17:53 <Timmaah1201> how do you see the stacktrace in eclipse?
May 18 16:18:31 <zhulikas> you can add LogCat window
May 18 16:18:39 <zhulikas> or go to console and write "adb logcat"
May 18 16:18:52 <zhulikas> I prefer 2nd one
May 18 16:18:59 <canadiancow|work> i like how someone thinks 72 bottles of beer is enough for 50 people
May 18 16:19:21 <alenko> nvm
May 18 16:19:31 <alenko> How do i typecast in Java?
May 18 16:19:40 <zhulikas> should be at least 250
May 18 16:19:40 <canadiancow|work> try ##java
May 18 16:19:46 <alenko> ##java?
May 18 16:19:50 <canadiancow|work> join the channel
May 18 16:19:51 <zhulikas> :D
May 18 16:19:54 <canadiancow|work> or lmgtfy
May 18 16:20:12 <zhulikas> (OtherType)myVariable;
May 18 16:20:16 <alenko> No this is a phoneapp issue
May 18 16:20:20 <alenko> not Java
May 18 16:20:24 <zhulikas> :D
May 18 16:20:29 <Timmaah1201> "failed to load properties file for project HelloAndroid :/
May 18 16:20:33 <Timmaah1201> what on earth?
May 18 16:20:40 <alenko> I am making a angrybirdsapp
May 18 16:20:42 <alenko> clone
May 18 16:20:43 <zhulikas> try cleaning up a project
May 18 16:20:46 <alenko> its pretty good
May 18 16:20:58 <alenko> How do i clean up in VisualStudio?
May 18 16:21:02 <zhulikas> alenko, sounds promising, keep working on that
May 18 16:21:20 <alenko> Thank you
May 18 16:21:55 <alenko> How do i typecast an arraylist in Java for phoneapps?
May 18 16:22:15 <canadiancow|work> alenko, go to ##java nad ask there
May 18 16:22:24 <canadiancow|work> trivial java questions are not approprpiate for this channel
May 18 16:23:20 <sukramTM> When I save a string in Shared Preferences is it also  available when i restart the phone?
May 18 16:23:30 <SimonVT> yes
May 18 16:24:55 <sukramTM> how i can check, if a Shared Preferences exist
May 18 16:25:18 <alenko> canadian: This is a phoneapp issue not Java
May 18 16:26:06 <SimonVT> Check the api, I'm sure there's a method for checking if sharedpreferences _contains_ a preference
May 18 16:26:55 <dragorn> contains
May 18 16:26:55 <alenko> troll
May 18 16:27:07 <alenko> api is a framework not a documentetation
May 18 16:27:28 <dragorn> sharedpref.contains(key)
May 18 16:27:47 <Leeds> alenko: can we help you with developing a native Android app?
May 18 16:28:04 <alenko> Im not delevoping a native Android app
May 18 16:28:18 <alenko> Im delevoping a Windows Phone app
May 18 16:28:20 <Leeds> then can we help you find a more appropriate channel for your wibbling?
May 18 16:28:38 <alenko> Whas is wrong with you?
May 18 16:28:54 <alenko> Either you are rude in person or just high
May 18 16:29:04 <Leeds> bye-bye
May 18 16:29:40 <storkme_> how bizarre
May 18 16:30:19 <dragorn> why would you come into the android channel and then complain people aren't helping with a windows phone problem?  you know I'm not even sure I want to comprehend the answer.
May 18 16:32:42 <wongk> dragorn: that the same troll that was in here yesterday
May 18 16:32:58 <wongk> he by Dragonbornsomethingorother
May 18 16:33:01 <wongk> went by
May 18 16:33:25 <dragorn> wongk: i see.  well so long as he learns... ... oops. :P
May 18 16:33:32 <wongk> indeed
May 18 16:33:38 <wongk> im sure he'll be back
May 18 16:38:38 <zpmorgan> Can a pthread run while the vm is garbage collecting?
May 18 16:39:27 <p_l> zpmorgan: a native thread can run, but shouldn't access anything DVM-side
May 18 16:40:06 <zpmorgan> if it tries, does it crash or pause?
May 18 16:40:16 <wongk> that sounds like a hard case to protect against
May 18 16:40:30 <zpmorgan> forgive me; I know nothing
May 18 16:40:44 <p_l> zpmorgan: shits magical ponies through smallest opening in developers body, aka undefined
May 18 16:40:53 <SMlLe> how can i play music?
May 18 16:40:57 <zpmorgan> ak, okay. thanks p_l
May 18 16:41:18 <wongk> SMlLe: pandora is nice ;)
May 18 16:41:22 <zpmorgan> SMlLe, buy a ukelele :)
May 18 16:42:08 <p_l> zpmorgan: more seriously, it's a complex area. And it depends on what way you're accessing and even which version of DVM we are talking about
May 18 16:42:43 <zpmorgan> okay, so it never works? what if I just want to write to an audiotrack?
May 18 16:43:02 <p_l> zpmorgan: what you need is take care of who does what when
May 18 16:43:23 <p_l> so a concurrent-safe circular buffer
May 18 16:43:27 <SMlLe> no
May 18 16:43:27 <p_l> (for the audiotrack)
May 18 16:44:18 <SMlLe> i want to play random music from my app
May 18 16:44:43 <SMlLe> using android music app for example
May 18 16:45:28 <SMlLe> to send a message to android play music to execute random music
May 18 16:45:51 <p_l> SMlLe: RTFM. http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/mediaplayer.html
May 18 16:45:59 <hillct> Can someone clarify for me whether or not I need to obtain a fileLock before using ExifInterace? It appears to me that the exifInterface class doesn't do it's own locking, so I'd have to open a new read/write channel just to lock the file, before calling ExiInterface. Is that accurate?
May 18 16:46:16 <p_l> ……… it's been loong since I responded to a question with RTFM.
May 18 16:47:04 <hillct> p_l: don't you miss what a positive reply you get, when you do?
May 18 16:48:01 <zpmorgan> SMlLe, http://www.last.fm/api
May 18 16:48:07 <zpmorgan> maybe
May 18 16:48:23 <napster> Does nyone here tried to use transloadit with Android?
May 18 16:48:28 <p_l> hillct: there's a limit when the top-level dev guide includes the basic of the answer
May 18 16:49:51 <hillct> p_l: eh. I know. I'm just trying to work out why the docs don't seem to include the answer to my question, as it seems also an obvious thing... and yet, I'm not seeing it
May 18 16:50:44 <p_l> hillct: yes. Yours is actually of the kind that deserve deeper checking, actually, and was asked in better way :)
May 18 16:52:29 <hillct> thanks... I'm still just stunned that te answer isn't there... "You must lock the file before using ExifInterface" or, "There is no need to...". It should be right at the top o this page http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/ExifInterface.html but alas, not...
May 18 16:53:32 <p_l> hillct: it seems to me that it is answered by this: "This is expensive because it involves copying all the JPG data from one file to another and deleting the old file and renaming the other."
May 18 16:53:37 <p_l> namely, the "rename" part
May 18 16:53:52 <p_l> which is atomic operation in unix
May 18 16:53:54 <hillct> yeah
May 18 16:54:50 <p_l> there are still possible problems, but only of the form that someone keeps the handle to old file opened then expects the file to still have the data they wrote using this handle after reopening
May 18 16:56:01 <hillct> I just ran into an issue where I have a ContentObserver, which grabbed a new image, adds some exi data, and uploads it to a server. the image file itself is currupt on the android device, and I can't work out why
May 18 16:56:39 <p_l> try it under debugger?
May 18 16:56:46 <hillct> of course
May 18 16:56:52 <hillct> nothing telling
May 18 16:57:09 <hillct> and the problem is intermittent
May 18 16:57:24 <hillct> as if it has to do with microsecond timings
May 18 16:57:25 <p_l> hmm.. I'd try tracking accesses to the file (inotify?)
May 18 16:57:47 <hillct> I moved rom FileObserver to COntentObserver for new ile detection
May 18 16:57:59 <hillct> I uess I could add a fileObserver to look for the write close event
May 18 16:58:13 <hillct> damn F key...
May 18 16:58:27 <Leeds> fuess?
May 18 16:58:32 <p_l> might be worth it to copy the file first to temporary
May 18 16:58:33 * hillct adds 'new keyboard' to his todo list
May 18 16:58:48 * p_l would need to pay over £50 for basic replacement
May 18 16:58:54 <p_l> I'll wait for a new laptop ;)
May 18 16:59:10 <hillct> yeah. Macs... damnit
May 18 16:59:39 <p_l> in this case, thinkpad :)
May 18 16:59:55 <hillct> I hate these problems that are intermittent. makes them a real bitch to debug
May 18 17:00:15 <p_l> so my replacement would need to include the spill protection with the drainage system ;)
May 18 17:00:48 <hillct> new keyboard would cost $79 US aftermarket, or $85 rom Apple, installed
May 18 17:01:09 <hillct> might as well let Apple do it
May 18 17:02:07 <p_l> ... expensive (especially given that I find mac keyboards to be worse experience than IBM/Lenovo)
May 18 17:02:10 <svm_invictvs> Heya
May 18 17:02:13 <hillct> not that I'm a fan o this method of debugging, but I think I'll just add the lock and see if I can reproduce the problem over 100 attempts or something
May 18 17:02:18 <svm_invictvs> OpenAL is not availble on Android, correct?
May 18 17:03:40 <Ge0rG> is there an android library to access usb-serial devices via usb-otg or usb host ports?
May 18 17:04:00 <hillct> Everything apple-related is of course expensive, and yet, I find some other keyboards better, but I've otten used to the one on this old 2008 macbook. I really hate the Apple Wireless keyboards though. They suck
May 18 17:04:02 <p_l> Ge0rG: no. You need to code for specific usb-serial chip
May 18 17:05:28 <Ge0rG> p_l: crap. I don't know which chip will be inside; also, having to re-write the driver in java is not quite my favorite passtime
May 18 17:05:57 <p_l> Ge0rG: unfortunately, there doesn't exist a standard for USB-serial devices
May 18 17:06:17 <Ge0rG> p_l: there does in linux. I really wonder why they kicked it from android
May 18 17:06:22 <p_l> Ge0rG: you might have better luck using BT-serial stuff, which is standardized
May 18 17:06:25 <p_l> Ge0rG: there isn't
May 18 17:06:36 <p_l> there's ~20 drivers in usb-serial category iirc
May 18 17:06:42 <Ge0rG> p_l: but at least there are drivers
May 18 17:06:57 <p_l> Ge0rG: which would take precious space
May 18 17:07:26 <napster> Android SDK uses Apache http client?
May 18 17:08:15 <Ge0rG> p_l: I wouldn't care adding stuff to my apk, but I can't deliver linux drivers for all phones out there.
May 18 17:09:55 <dragorn> Ge0rG: I plan to write a bunch of usb-serial userspace stuff
May 18 17:09:59 <dragorn> Ge0rG: but I haven't gotten around to it
May 18 17:10:13 <dragorn> Ge0rG: it's not as awful as you'd think; i've actually ported a full wifi driver to java from the linux kernel
May 18 17:10:29 <wongk> napster: it's available, yes
May 18 17:10:56 <dragorn> Ge0rG: if you could control the device chipset your life would be much simpler.  My first will probably be cdc-acm since the hardware I'm making exposes that
May 18 17:11:17 <Ge0rG> dragorn: will it be OSS?
May 18 17:11:23 <dragorn> Ge0rG: my stuff, yes, it'll be gpl2
May 18 17:11:28 <dragorn> Ge0rG: because I plan to use the kernel drivers
May 18 17:11:44 <dragorn> Ge0rG: unfortunately I don't know the timeline I'll be working on it, it might be a few months
May 18 17:11:53 <Ge0rG> dragorn: great! do you have a project site?
May 18 17:12:18 <wongk> a project site implies a project :P
May 18 17:12:20 <dragorn> Ge0rG: i'll most likely post about it on the kismet dev blog when i get around to doing it, blog.kismetwireless.net ...
May 18 17:12:36 <dragorn> The problem is, the hardware I've finished now exposes rfcomm as well as usb :P
May 18 17:12:50 <napster> wongk: Does the http client in Android 2.2 supports multi-part POST method to upload files?
May 18 17:12:55 <dragorn> so it's not until I get the other stuff I have in mind laid out and fabbed that I'll really need to get on to usb serial
May 18 17:13:02 <Ge0rG> dragorn: yeah, rfcomm is easy-peasy...
May 18 17:13:06 <belgianguy> anyone have any experience with ndk-build?
May 18 17:13:16 <dragorn> Ge0rG: yup; i'm using some $6 super-china radios
May 18 17:13:16 <Ge0rG> dragorn: I need usb-serial for aprsdroid.org but have no time to implement it myself
May 18 17:13:32 <wongk> napster: i don't recall if the version in Adnorid has that built in, but if not, it wouldn't be hard to add
May 18 17:13:39 <pfn> Ge0rG, so use rfcomm to a bt rs232 adapter
May 18 17:13:47 <dragorn> Ge0rG: ah handy.  I never got into aprs really myself
May 18 17:13:59 <Ge0rG> pfn: and how does that help me if I have a device that only exposes usb-serial?
May 18 17:14:08 <dragorn> isn't that low bandwidth enough you could blit audio in through the mic?
May 18 17:14:12 <napster> wongk: Mind telling me how to do it?
May 18 17:14:15 <pfn> Ge0rG, why is the device exposing usb-serial and not rs232?  that's stupid
May 18 17:14:22 <Ge0rG> dragorn: yeah, there is an audio mode as well in aprsdroid
May 18 17:14:26 <pfn> because usb-serial is non-standard
May 18 17:14:32 <dragorn> pfn: any modern device exposes usb serial
May 18 17:14:36 <wongk> napster: http://hc.apache.org/httpclient-3.x/apidocs/org/apache/commons/httpclient/methods/multipart/MultipartRequestEntity.html
May 18 17:14:41 <Ge0rG> pfn: because usb-serial is what you use today to attach devices to a pc?
May 18 17:14:46 <dragorn> pfn: from a design standpoint, I can put usb serial in for < $3
May 18 17:14:56 <napster> wongk: Let me check that out
May 18 17:14:56 <pfn> eh?
May 18 17:14:59 <dragorn> pfn: and not have to mess with inverting, level shifters, a 12v converter, etc
May 18 17:15:00 <Ge0rG> dragorn: do you have a ham license?
May 18 17:15:17 <pfn> what devices offer usb serial on them?
May 18 17:15:20 * pfn hasn't really seen any
May 18 17:15:26 <wongk> napster:  http://hc.apache.org/httpclient-3.x/apidocs/org/apache/commons/httpclient/methods/multipart/MultipartRequestEntity.html
May 18 17:15:31 <wongk> google is your friend
May 18 17:15:32 <pfn> by usb serial, I assume you mean an rs232 interface over usb
May 18 17:15:39 <dragorn> pfn: pretty much any project-level stuff
May 18 17:15:41 <wongk> er
May 18 17:15:45 <wongk> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2304663/apache-httpclient-making-multipart-form-post
May 18 17:15:53 <Ge0rG> pfn: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/9421 is the one I target
May 18 17:15:58 <napster> wongk: ok
May 18 17:16:01 <dragorn> pfn: I can do cdc-acm serial plus a 72mhz arm core and ~40 GPIO pins for $4 and some passive components
May 18 17:16:25 <napster> wongk: ok got it :) Thank you
May 18 17:16:49 <p_l> hmm... didn't $10 get you around enough components to start contemplating running android on it?
May 18 17:17:27 <p_l> (that chinese AllWinner A10)
May 18 17:17:35 <dragorn> Ge0rG: no; I do a lot of wireless but never bothered getting licensed since I rarely make transmitters
May 18 17:17:47 <dragorn> Ge0rG: and when I do, they're part15, so I'm not going to be pissing anyone off really anyhow
May 18 17:17:58 <dragorn> Ge0rG: I mostly do the RX side of things
May 18 17:18:26 <pfn> ok, cdc-acm is different, it isn't rs232 emulation
May 18 17:18:30 <Ge0rG> dragorn: funny thing... I started with wardriving (kismet! \o/) and got licensed later on
May 18 17:18:39 <dragorn> Ge0rG: nice :)
May 18 17:18:42 <pfn> that should have standard drivers then
May 18 17:18:55 <dragorn> Ge0rG: I've got kismet running on android using usb host and an external nic
May 18 17:19:01 <dragorn> Ge0rG: but it's not quite solid enough for release
May 18 17:19:10 <dragorn> pfn: Android has no concept of serial port
May 18 17:19:27 <dragorn> pfn: so it doesn't matter; you have to write your own userspace usb drivers
May 18 17:19:34 <pfn> indeed
May 18 17:19:52 <dragorn> if there was an android serial port api to claim the dev node like there is in USB, you could work around it, if the kernel had the drivers
May 18 17:20:01 <p_l> and even if you use one of the ports that are there already, you need to add ioctl support in your code :)
May 18 17:20:21 <p_l> (there is usually at least one externally-available serial port in most phones)
May 18 17:20:33 <p_l> of course, without root you can forget about accessing it
May 18 17:21:18 <p_l> (usually shared with the charging/usb connector)
May 18 17:21:31 <Ge0rG> dragorn: usb-wifi never quite convinced me... I rather was hacking stuff into madwifi
May 18 17:23:34 <napster> wongk: Class MultipartEntity is not available on Android by default till API-15. How can I add it?
May 18 17:24:02 <pfn> copy it into your own project
May 18 17:24:27 <wongk> napster: it's just a collection of other entity types, create your own
May 18 17:24:51 <napster> ok, let me see
May 18 17:25:56 <wongk> napster: http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/HttpEntity.html
May 18 17:26:57 <wongk> just make sure getContentEncoding returns the right multipart string
May 18 17:27:14 <napster> ok
May 18 17:33:59 <starbuckt> If I instantiate a new Handler in a static method, will that Handler run on the Thread that invoked the static method?
May 18 17:34:32 <starbuckt> something like… public static void myMethod() { Handler h = new Handler(); h.post(new Runnable() { … }); }
May 18 17:40:28 <JakeWharton> starbuckt: no, it will be invoked on the thread when the class was first referenced
May 18 17:40:43 <JakeWharton> it's a bad idea to do that
May 18 17:41:02 <starbuckt> JakeWharton: I had a feeling that was the case. What about providing a Handler parameter to the static method?
May 18 17:41:11 <starbuckt> public static void myMethod(Handler h);
May 18 17:41:15 <JakeWharton> that's a much better idea
May 18 17:41:18 <JakeWharton> better for testing too!
May 18 17:41:19 <starbuckt> great, thanks so much
May 18 17:41:38 <starbuckt> Thanks for ActionBarSherlock too, great library.
May 18 17:42:38 <storkme_> it's okay but it uses too many instance members.. needs more static stuff imo
May 18 17:46:01 <john_doe_jr> What are the disadvantages of referencing a button in the following way: View start_button = findViewById(R.id.bStart); , instead of using Button start_button = findViewById(R.id.bStart);
May 18 17:46:26 <canadiancow|work> you cant use methods that are in Button but not View ?
May 18 17:46:43 <canadiancow|work> if you dont need something like setText, i would absolutely reference it as a View
May 18 17:46:51 <pfn> john_doe_jr, you need to cast
May 18 17:46:53 <canadiancow|work> most of the time people just need to set an onclicklistener, in which case, theres no reason to cast it
May 18 17:47:01 <canadiancow|work> pfn: no T_T
May 18 17:47:09 <pfn> if you want to type-specific calls
May 18 17:47:10 <vekexasia> good evening/morning everyone
May 18 17:47:28 <pragma-> It's afternoon here.
May 18 17:47:36 <vekexasia> ddang... sorry :)
May 18 17:47:45 <ixc> good afternoone (here too :))
May 18 17:48:05 <canadiancow|work> evening is after noon
May 18 17:48:14 <vekexasia> lol
May 18 17:48:43 <SimonVT> morning is after noon the day before
May 18 17:48:55 <pragma-> interesting double-negative phrasing.  "You can use methods that are in View, but not in Button" is more legible :p
May 18 17:49:19 <canadiancow|work> that's also wrong
May 18 17:49:25 <canadiancow|work> so shut the fuck up and leave me alone
May 18 17:49:32 <pragma-> lol
May 18 17:49:44 <canadiancow|work> ive had enough of your shit
May 18 17:49:52 <ceti331___> just got an actual android device.. pleased to see running the samples appears easier on the device than on the emulator
May 18 17:50:12 <vekexasia> canadiancow|work: is adorable
May 18 17:50:47 <dragorn> p_l: doing ioctl isn't so bad but yeah
May 18 17:51:09 <dragorn> Ge0rG: anyhow, yeah - it's on my list to do some serial drivers as a helper library for people
May 18 17:51:13 <ceti331___> looks like dev for it will be fun after all
May 18 17:52:21 <ceti331___> i wish i'd gone for this instead of iOS. no need to buy a damn mac, and the device is just friendlier in that you can use it as a drive
May 18 17:52:50 <Ge0rG> dragorn: IIRC there is a commercial library offering a jar with usb-serial API for 59 or 99us$. probably incompatible to our OSS projects though
May 18 17:53:05 <pragma-> I wasn't aware that having a mac was required for iPhones.
May 18 17:53:26 <dragorn> pragma-: only works w/ xcode I think
May 18 17:53:58 <Ge0rG> dragorn: also there is http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=370
May 18 17:54:46 <dragorn> Ge0rG: pretty much just a matter of doing the control transfers to set it up and then doing bulk yeah
May 18 17:55:21 <Ge0rG> dragorn: still, my time budget is forbidding any such activity... (writing ph.d. thesis about WMNs)
May 18 17:55:41 <ixc> in office we has macs too only coz xcode :(
May 18 17:56:01 <pragma-> wmns?
May 18 17:56:26 <dragorn> Ge0rG: I've got a bunch of stuff to finish up w/ some hw design and kismet stuff before I can work on the serial stuff on android, but swing by #kismet or something and bug me every few weeks
May 18 17:56:36 <ixc> what means wmns?
May 18 17:56:38 <dragorn> Ge0rG: I'm working on an android-linked zigbee/802.15.4 interface
May 18 17:56:47 <Ge0rG> dragorn: thats hot!
May 18 17:56:54 <Ge0rG> ixc: wireless mesh networks
May 18 17:57:35 <dragorn> Ge0rG: https://picasaweb.google.com/112273806951693306851/Kisbee#5740997951803255346
May 18 17:57:37 <Ge0rG> dragorn: hanging around on the IRC is theoretically forbidden as well, but I'll make a note to bug you as soon as I'm finished writing.
May 18 17:58:09 <dragorn> Ge0rG: hw design is done, prototype is done, doing a 50-board run soon, linux debug code is done, kismet code is mostly done, android code talks bluetooth and gets packets but needs more work to present them usefully
May 18 17:58:12 <pragma-> theoretically, eh?
May 18 17:58:40 <dragorn> Ge0rG: starting w/ promisc/monitor, but the radio is fully tx capable (and has a nice lna/pa in it) so it'll be able to interface android to zigbee sensor networks
May 18 17:58:49 <Ge0rG> dragorn: pretty damn ironic, use BT to talk to a zigbee dongle
May 18 17:59:15 <dragorn> Ge0rG: yup, but zb is nicely low bandwidth
May 18 17:59:39 <Ge0rG> dragorn: ...except for both protocols interfering in the ISM?
May 18 18:00:07 <dragorn> Ge0rG: i guess.  BT is fairly wide spectrum and zb is fairly intermittent
May 18 18:00:15 <dragorn> Ge0rG: it was the best option I had anyhow
May 18 18:00:39 * Ge0rG just got his usb-otg cable from china today...
May 18 18:00:46 <Ge0rG> no use for that :(
May 18 18:02:13 <QubeZ> hello all
May 18 18:02:39 <dragorn> Ge0rG: so why can't you predict what chipset it'll be?
May 18 18:03:19 <Ge0rG> dragorn: because I don't control the hardware. there are people who just buy some usb-serial cable, attach it to their radio transceiver and ask me why it doesn't work for them ;)
May 18 18:03:39 <Niya> I added a GLSurfaceView to my layout, and the background is transparent... that is, I see through to the view underneath the window...  How in the world do I make that not happen o.o;;
May 18 18:03:39 * Ge0rG recently got a pl2303 cable for his own radio...
May 18 18:04:06 <dragorn> Ge0rG: you could always just say "get this cable"
May 18 18:04:11 <dragorn> Ge0rG: "it will not work with others"
May 18 18:04:42 <Ge0rG> dragorn: currently I ignore usb completely and say "get bluetooth instead"
May 18 18:05:10 <Ge0rG> dragorn: having an android-usb-serial library would change the game though
May 18 18:06:26 * Ge0rG could finally attach his phone to 50 watts of TX power
May 18 18:16:22 <canadiancow|work> FFS facebook is not worth that much T_T
May 18 18:17:18 <Ge0rG> can't you speculate on facebook going down or something?
May 18 18:19:00 <storkme_> well if instagram is worth 1 billion or whatever then facebook must be worth zilllions
May 18 18:19:30 <pragma-> pft, Mark Zuckerberg is now paying himself a $1 annual salary.
May 18 18:19:40 <pragma-> Because he's now worth 25 billion dollars.
May 18 18:19:48 <pragma-> And can now afford to play the 1% tax game.
May 18 18:20:41 <pragma-> He can roll-over his funds and accumulate $500,000,000 in debt to avoid paying taxes.
May 18 18:20:48 <oGMo> canadiancow|work: i saw something about underwriters buying up stock to keep it over 38, which sounds like cheating to me
May 18 18:20:54 <pragma-> And it won't affect him at all because he has 24,500,000,000 more
May 18 18:21:11 <pragma-> in credit
May 18 18:21:27 <pragma-> yay debt/credit american tax games!
May 18 18:21:36 <oGMo> pragma-: yup ;/
May 18 18:22:11 <canadiancow|work> trading on ZNGA has been halted twice today =\
May 18 18:24:37 <pragma-> (Larry and Eric also do this)
May 18 18:25:05 <pragma-> Steve Jobs was also paying himself $1 from 2006 onward, iirc.
May 18 18:26:06 <pragma-> Apple apparently has only 24,000 employees or so.
May 18 18:26:29 <pragma-> I forget what year that statistic was gathered.
May 18 18:26:51 <oGMo> kept in cages, apparently. i have actually never seen someone on irc or similar who was like "i work for apple"
May 18 18:27:34 <pragma-> They're mostly kept overseas, IIRC.
May 18 18:27:43 <prateekp> i am getting problem while i am installing the ADT plugin
May 18 18:27:46 <sha1sum> Hey is there anything that I can use from a PC or another mobile device to share an Android screen and control it without root access?
May 18 18:27:54 <prateekp> Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found.
May 18 18:27:55 <prateekp>   Software being installed: Android Hierarchy Viewer 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762 (com.android.ide.eclipse.hierarchyviewer.feature.group 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762)
May 18 18:27:55 <prateekp>   Missing requirement: Android Hierarchy Viewer 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762 (com.android.ide.eclipse.hierarchyviewer.feature.group 18.0.0.v201203301601-306762) requires 'org.eclipse.ui 3.6.2' but it could not be found
May 18 18:28:00 <prateekp> this is the error
May 18 18:28:01 <sha1sum> or at least just share the screen?
May 18 18:28:08 <pragma-> You'd probably have to speak Chinese to be able to understand someone saying "I work for Apple"
May 18 18:28:54 <canadiancow|work> i know someone wo works at apple
May 18 18:28:57 <canadiancow|work> in cupertino
May 18 18:29:14 <canadiancow|work> prateekp, so install the latest version?
May 18 18:29:35 <prateekp> u mean eclipse?
May 18 18:29:43 <canadiancow|work> no, i mean adt
May 18 18:29:50 <canadiancow|work> we're up to 19
May 18 18:29:52 <canadiancow|work> that looks like 18
May 18 18:30:11 <prateekp> but how ?
May 18 18:30:19 <prateekp> i am following this procedure
May 18 18:30:20 <prateekp> http://developer.android.com/sdk/eclipse-adt.html#installing
May 18 18:30:33 <pragma-> sha1sum: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-vnc-server-0-2/
May 18 18:30:42 <pragma-> sha1sum: you might find something else googling more deeper...
May 18 18:30:49 <pragma-> Then again, since you're asking here...
May 18 18:31:26 <pragma-> Not sure about the "without root" bit.
May 18 18:31:38 <pragma-> Locked down phones are a sin.
May 18 18:31:48 <pragma-> Spend your money wisely.
May 18 18:32:05 <pragma-> Send a message to the vendors by buying exclusively unlocked phones.
May 18 18:32:22 <pragma-> Why would you buy something if you're not going to own it?
May 18 18:32:43 <pabs> good luck with that
May 18 18:32:49 <prateekp> canadiancow|work: it says u require 'org.eclipse.ui 3.6.2
May 18 18:32:57 <prateekp> what is this
May 18 18:33:12 <canadiancow|work> ok so update eclipse?
May 18 18:34:56 <prateekp> do i need to downlaod again or it can be updated
May 18 18:39:03 <canadiancow|work> i dont know
May 18 18:42:41 <Zooklubba> darn it
May 18 18:42:54 <Zooklubba> Eclipse started to hate me again after I updated the plugins
May 18 18:44:57 <ctate> pragma-: you mean like cable TV service?  or phone service?  :)
May 18 18:48:04 <storkme_> so
May 18 18:48:22 <storkme_> a markov chains bot in another channel i'm in just said 'jake wharton is a gay name'
May 18 18:49:48 <Zooklubba> lol
May 18 18:51:14 <sukramTM> Where i should paste my code, when i have questions?
May 18 18:51:55 <prateekp> in pastebin
May 18 18:52:15 <komugi> pastebin2
May 18 18:55:20 <Zooklubba> Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: "org.eclipse.jface".
May 18 18:55:21 <Zooklubba> meh
May 18 18:56:52 <sukramTM> I dont understand the error mesaage from eclipse: http://pastebin.com/RgQrM5dS
May 18 18:57:10 <svm_invictvs> Is there a limit on the size of an APK?
May 18 18:57:42 <Zooklubba> Latest update screwed up my eclipse install :/
May 18 19:00:03 <Zooklubba> The helper that opens up as you type along doesn't work. Weird
May 18 19:04:10 <ctate> svm_invictvs: Yes.  I believe it's 50 MB now; used to be much lower (~ 10 MB)
May 18 19:04:34 <ctate> you can also use an expansion APKs to provide additional large assets along witht that
May 18 19:04:39 <belgianguy> anyone ever used ndk-build?
May 18 19:04:47 <belgianguy> or know where I can get help on it?
May 18 19:05:31 <pfn> weird, new version of google wallet requests root access
May 18 19:06:48 <vekexasia> hello all. Does someone know where I would be able to find the source code of the compatibility packag?E
May 18 19:08:29 <SimonVT> It's downloaded with the jar
May 18 19:09:39 <luxurymode> hey SimonVT, quick question for you. hacking up a custom timepickerdialog based on your project. where can i change the color of the number thats not currently selected? right now, they fade to gray.
May 18 19:12:09 <pfn> stupid ics email app doesn't let me copy text
May 18 19:12:36 <SimonVT> Try playing around with mSelectorWheelPaint
May 18 19:13:16 <SimonVT> That changes the color of all the items tho
May 18 19:13:28 <SimonVT> The gray'ing is just alpha changes
May 18 19:17:08 <Trudko> Guys I am looking for some info about computer vision libraries comparsion for Android any tips?
May 18 19:18:43 <luxurymode> hmm
May 18 19:19:02 <svm_invictvs> Does Google Play have a 50mb limit?
May 18 19:19:18 <svm_invictvs> And is it reasonable to distribute an apk larger than that?
May 18 19:19:25 <luxurymode> SimonVT, strange thing is that if i change the backgroundcolor of the minutespinner to white, then i can't actually see those other items
May 18 19:19:31 <svm_invictvs> c'doh, ctate answered
May 18 19:19:34 <luxurymode> i guess cuz its going all the way down in alpha
May 18 19:20:24 <svm_invictvs> I guess Amazon AppStore doesn't have a limit
May 18 19:20:24 <svm_invictvs> hm
May 18 19:20:28 <canadiancow|work> whats an app that uses c2dm and is easy to trigger a message
May 18 19:20:32 <svm_invictvs> But do many phones actually support larger APKs?
May 18 19:20:49 <luxurymode> i guess its because of int color = colors.getColorForState(ENABLED_STATE_SET, Color.WHITE); am i looking in the right spot SimonVT ?
May 18 19:21:02 <SimonVT> Yep, sounds alright
May 18 19:23:52 <ctate> svm_invictvs: yes, because that's all handled by Play
May 18 19:24:23 <ctate> just like when we rolled out the license manager, it magically worked on all versions back to Donut or some such
May 18 19:26:06 <herriojr> Is there going to be future support for multiple apks based on ABI?
May 18 19:26:31 <dragorn> I thought that was already supported
May 18 19:26:40 <herriojr> it doesn't look like it from the docs
May 18 19:26:49 <herriojr> just screen size, platform and opengl
May 18 19:27:01 <herriojr> where platform is android version
May 18 19:27:33 <svm_invictvs> ctate: heh
May 18 19:38:27 <jluw9o> cant find any small game source
May 18 19:38:54 <jluw9o> i found a working maze game. how to add accelerometer instead of direction arrows ?
May 18 19:40:35 <alankila> jluw9o: use sensormanager to receive acceleration events. Map x, y values to movement.
May 18 19:40:53 <jluw9o> whats the ADB command to connect phone by usb ?
May 18 19:41:22 <canadiancow|work> its not a command
May 18 19:41:25 <canadiancow|work> you have to pick up the cable
May 18 19:41:28 <canadiancow|work> plug one end in your computer
May 18 19:41:31 <canadiancow|work> and the other to your phone
May 18 19:41:32 <Shano56> jluw9o: the command is "plug your usb cord into your computer, then plug it into the phone"
May 18 19:41:40 * canadiancow|work high fives Shano56
May 18 19:42:04 <Shano56> :p
May 18 19:43:02 <jluw9o> after doing 'ADB devices'
May 18 19:43:08 <jluw9o> it shows two devices
May 18 19:43:19 <jluw9o> i want to select one for emulating
May 18 19:43:31 <jluw9o> so all apps get installed in that
May 18 19:43:34 <Shano56> unplug the device you dont wanna use
May 18 19:43:43 <jluw9o> not other or emulator
May 18 19:45:42 <ctate> can you not specify which to use in the Eclipse AVD UI?
May 18 19:46:07 <jluw9o> now it shows one device one emu
May 18 19:46:22 <jluw9o> List of devices attached emulator-5554    device 0123456789ABCDEF        device
May 18 19:49:37 <jluw9o> what is that " @Override " error everywhere
May 18 19:50:05 <jluw9o> remove override annotation everywhere
May 18 19:50:05 <ctate> it could be you are using the wrong version of Java to compile with, 1.5 instead of 1.6
May 18 19:50:17 <ctate> in java 1.5 you could not @Override interface methods
May 18 19:50:20 <ctate> that was added in 1.6
May 18 19:50:34 <ctate> so Android code started using it a couple of years ago
May 18 19:51:16 <jluw9o> Eclipse automatically shows list of devices it installed directly to phone !
May 18 19:52:43 <jluw9o> i got java 1.7 but IE9 browser said it needs 1.5 , i installed both
May 18 20:07:38 <g00s> hm, MS book on enterprise apps - talks about android too http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0790145336224.do
May 18 20:07:56 <g00s> err, enterprise mobile "solutions" :)
May 18 20:10:16 <brx_> .
May 18 20:16:08 <ceti331_> Is there an adb command to install and launch an app
May 18 20:16:14 <dmalice> adb install
May 18 20:16:26 <ceti331_> Is there a switch to run it
May 18 20:16:33 <dmalice> yeah
May 18 20:16:59 <ceti331_> what is it :)
May 18 20:17:15 <dmalice> i think there is
May 18 20:17:20 <dmalice> it's like adb shell start
May 18 20:17:24 <dmalice> or something like that
May 18 20:17:24 <ctate> there is not
May 18 20:17:32 <ctate> you have to run a separate command
May 18 20:17:32 <ceti331_> oh
May 18 20:17:42 <ctate> which is much more fiddly to set up
May 18 20:17:43 <dmalice> there isn't one command to do both, if that's what you mean
May 18 20:17:55 <ceti331_> fair enough.. What is the other command
May 18 20:18:30 <ceti331_> Ideally i want my cross platform code to compile and run on desktop and android simultaneously
May 18 20:18:45 <ceti331_> Via batchfile or shellscript
May 18 20:19:05 <dmalice> adb shell start am -a android.intent.action.MAIN -n com.your.package/.LaunchActivity
May 18 20:19:11 <dmalice> something like that i think...
May 18 20:19:15 <dmalice> http://www.android.pk/blog/general/launch-app-through-adb-shell/
May 18 20:20:08 <ctate> adb shell am start -a android.intent.action.MAIN your.app.package.name
May 18 20:20:10 <ctate> i think is a start
May 18 20:20:28 <ctate> ah yeah, -n and the full component name of the activity
May 18 20:20:31 <ctate> that'll do it
May 18 20:22:27 <ctate> the 'am' shell command is the Delta unisaw of launching stuff
May 18 20:23:32 <ceti331_> Ah i remember i got this far asking someone before.. Im not familiar with the android environemnt at all , i have a c++ opengl game to port , i have desktop and ios versions with a few sourcefiles to provide the interface to the os, readijg controls and wrapping resource acess
May 18 20:24:21 <ctate> you should definitely read at least the platform introductory information at developer.android.com under "Dev Guide"
May 18 20:24:27 <ceti331_> Im hoping to take a hello world opengl sample and insert 3 calls init, render, update ... Then do my controller wrapper
May 18 20:24:46 <ctate> also for that kind of project you'll probably want to focus on the NDK, and in particular NativeActivity and from there
May 18 20:24:53 <ctate> the NDK has some samples, too
May 18 20:24:57 <ceti331_> Yeah im just assuming it will be much of a muchness after doing ios and pc
May 18 20:25:06 <ceti331_> Yes ndk
May 18 20:25:08 <ctate> sorta kinda maybe
May 18 20:25:30 <ctate> if you've done PC then your code is probably okay with dealing with various display sizes, which is typically a weak point in native-to-iOS code
May 18 20:25:42 <ceti331_> If i can get a batch file to compile and launch pc and android simulaneouslyr i will be very pleased
May 18 20:26:31 <ceti331_> Oh ive been lazy, it uses glut on pc and mac; and those 3 entry points are just pasted into a sample code project on ios :)
May 18 20:28:58 <ceti331_> Ive handleed the aspect ratio change.... User flipping the device is much like desktop resizng. I use that as a hint to shift my 3rd person camera too
May 18 20:29:43 <ceti331_> Is it true c++ supoort is an afterthhought and their intention was eveqrything in java
May 18 20:30:00 <dragorn> yes, the core android lifecycle is java
May 18 20:30:15 <dragorn> being able to do a pure-ndk app is a very recent development
May 18 20:30:49 <ceti331_> Ive read 'jni' ... Java native interface...
May 18 20:31:34 <ceti331_> i dont know much about garbage collected languages... I wonder how the c ++ and java interact
May 18 20:32:52 <ceti331_> Allocations in c++ in seperate areas of virtual memory? And what happens if you reference objects in java land in c++... does it only allow passing values perhaps
May 18 20:33:19 <ceti331_> does the java call the c++ or vica versa
May 18 20:34:35 <ctate> they're basically separate although you can use JNI to intercall / pass data
May 18 20:37:43 <ceti331_> what im getting at is - is the jni a stub that calls your c.. Android still thinks it is running java?
May 18 20:38:22 <vekexasia> vagina!
May 18 20:38:34 <ctate> o_O
May 18 20:38:42 <vekexasia> lol
May 18 20:38:51 <g00s> hm, so it seems MS is requiring a certain version of the OS to buy apps from the marketplace. this may be part of their strategy to keep everybody "on the same page"
May 18 20:38:53 <ctate> JNI is the standard intercall architecture for native <-> java VM
May 18 20:39:02 <ctate> Java Native Interface, or some such
May 18 20:39:14 <ctate> and dalvik, despite not being a java VM per se, provides that interface
May 18 20:39:25 <Zharf> or most of it
May 18 20:41:43 <hex20dec> I have a question, I have the XT701 and I couldn't find any ROMs for my device, but I was able to find many for the XT720, I looked at their specs and they seem similar with the important parts. Can I use the XT720 roms for my XT701??
May 18 20:41:57 <[twisti]> i have an activity that changes application state when its 'done'. is it apropriate to put code like that into onDestroy ? or can there be cases where onDestroy is called AFTER another activitys onCreate is called ?
May 18 20:42:15 <ctate> most of the time onDestroy is not called :)
May 18 20:42:32 <ctate> well, if you finish() and your activity is torn down, it is
May 18 20:42:40 <ctate> but if your app is in the background and is killed for memory, it won't be
May 18 20:43:14 <wongk> ctate: orly?
May 18 20:43:19 <ctate> orly which?
May 18 20:43:28 <wongk> the 3 lines you just wrote
May 18 20:43:30 <ctate> apps killed for memory are *killed*.  kill -9 by the kernel
May 18 20:43:45 <ctate> all the activities there will have gotten onStop(), of course.
May 18 20:43:49 <wongk> i am more concerned with specific activities (or services)
May 18 20:43:55 <wongk> the whole app is not a problem
May 18 20:44:02 <ctate> after stop, you can be killed at any moment
May 18 20:44:15 <ctate> but you're guaranteed to get the stop callback
May 18 20:44:17 <Dany0> did you guys know the reply girl, the uglier one, 'was' a programmer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp2c1fDDFAU 3:30
May 18 20:45:09 <SimonVT> I have no idea what a reply girl is
May 18 20:45:52 <wongk> is that like a holla-back girl?
May 18 20:46:57 <canadiancow|work> wtf
May 18 20:47:51 <Dany0> lol
May 18 20:50:07 <canadiancow|work> best obj-c method name: setSet
May 18 20:50:38 <wongk> hah
May 18 20:51:02 <[twisti]> ctate: so what is the best thing to overwrite if i want something to be executed when that activity ends from the back button and before the new activity is started ?
May 18 20:51:49 <ctate> [twisti]: you should test it.  i believe your activity's onDestroy() *is* called in the case of an explicit finish
May 18 20:52:29 <SimonVT> It's definitely not called when you start a new activity
May 18 20:52:42 <[twisti]> ctate: sadly, i dont have the money to buy every device with every android implementation and set up some massive test lab, so id rather not do something based on whether or not it works on my specific setup
May 18 20:53:06 <ctate> this is something that will be universal
May 18 20:53:09 <ctate> [no really]
May 18 20:53:17 <[twisti]> ok
May 18 20:53:23 <ctate> you're going to make me look at the source aren't you.  sigh.  :)
May 18 20:53:30 <[twisti]> but testing it wouldnt have told me that
May 18 20:53:41 <canadiancow|work> ctate best op ever
May 18 20:53:53 <SimonVT> good guy ctate
May 18 20:54:05 <ctate> okay yeah onDestroy() is called as part of the finish processing
May 18 20:54:08 <ctate> sheesh you slackers
May 18 20:54:10 <pragma-> canadiancow|work best ass-kisser ever
May 18 20:54:13 <[twisti]> thank you
May 18 20:54:16 <ctate> :)
May 18 20:56:21 <canadiancow|work> pragma- seriously, shut the fuck up and leave
May 18 20:56:28 <pragma-> :)
May 18 20:58:47 <ctate> actually pragma- if you could tone that kidn of thing down a little that'd be good.
May 18 20:59:00 <canadiancow|work> [16:53:41] <canadiancow|work> ctate best op ever
May 18 20:59:17 <ctate> grr
May 18 20:59:20 <ctate> you too
May 18 20:59:20 <ctate> :)
May 18 20:59:56 <pragma-> He's just one of those guys that you can't help but slap a kick-me sign on.  :p
May 18 21:03:33 <g00s> canadiancow|work: i hope you're not one of the evil cows http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pcfi0/
May 18 21:03:50 <g00s> :)
May 18 21:04:03 <canadiancow|work> lol
May 18 21:04:25 <Dany0> g00s I'm a spherical cow in a vacuum
May 18 21:04:47 <canadiancow|work> lies
May 18 21:05:00 <pragma-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
May 18 21:05:49 <pragma-> spherical cow at 0:45
May 18 21:05:54 <pragma-> and more!
May 18 21:06:01 <vekexasia> mygod
May 18 21:06:31 <pragma-> the ending is great where they causually eat the grass
May 18 21:07:00 <ctate> http://abstrusegoose.com/406
May 18 21:07:20 <Dany0> pragma- now I understand the video, the cows are vibrating strings
May 18 21:08:18 <SimonVT> I'm gonna have nightmares about cows now
May 18 21:08:55 <ctate> okay the spidercows are freaking scary
May 18 21:09:20 <Dany0> SimonVT just now?
May 18 21:09:40 <SimonVT> Not like I had them before
May 18 21:09:56 <Dany0> SimonVT oh they were android cows before?
May 18 21:10:13 <pragma-> do androids dream of electric cows?
May 18 21:10:53 <Dany0> pragma- androids don't dream, androids generate fractals
May 18 21:11:13 <alankila> flames
May 18 21:12:04 <ctate> http://web.archive.org/web/20050209111319/nuku.com/android.html
May 18 21:12:50 <SimonVT> wtf
May 18 21:15:49 <storkme_> what did i just watch
May 18 21:15:54 <storkme_> is this happy hour or something
May 18 21:16:10 <storkme_> are you on drugs
May 18 21:24:10 <john_doe_jr> I have an app that has a portrait view and a landscape view ....I'm designing the landscape view now but I'd like to use code that is in my portrait orientatoin...is that possible?
May 18 21:24:49 <ctate> code is code, it's all ther eto use
May 18 21:25:11 <ctate> layouts and other resources can be tied to specific configurations such as "in landscape, use this layout instead of the other one"
May 18 21:43:49 <pragma-> sigh, the market app still sometimes makes me download updates twice, and sometimes gets stuck saying 'update' when i've already got it
May 18 21:44:01 <lov> so what is going on that has folks all atwitter
May 18 21:44:58 <pragma-> define atwitter
May 18 21:47:27 <lov> i heard "zomg problems in Android dev" so i rushed onto irc
May 18 21:47:44 <pragma-> where'd you hear this?
May 18 21:47:52 <lov> but nothing is happening?????????
May 18 21:47:58 <lov> the tubers
May 18 21:48:20 <g00s> <.<
May 18 21:48:35 * pragma- wagers a guess.
May 18 21:48:59 <pragma-> or is that "hazards"?
May 18 21:49:39 <Zider> speaking of twitter.. if you just wrote a message on twitter, do you say "I just twat"?
May 18 21:50:21 <Loonacy> "twatted"
May 18 21:50:25 <wbooze> lol
May 18 21:52:59 <JavaDog> I've got a (probably simple) issue with my listfragment: http://imgur.com/a/ZrWdk
May 18 21:53:29 <JakeWharton> ActionBarSherlock v4.1.0 released. If you use v4.0.x you MSUT upgrade. That is all.
May 18 21:53:36 <JavaDog> Screenshot 2 is the result of scrolling down so all items in screenshot 1 are offscreen, then back up
May 18 21:54:33 <JakeWharton> also, MUST
May 18 21:55:22 <g00s> are these all fixes? i would think it would be 4.0.3
May 18 21:55:22 <JavaDog> Here's the getView from my baseadapter, not sure why this is happening http://pastebin.com/P7gCv1PG
May 18 21:55:49 <JakeWharton> g00s: yes, the importance of upgrading is emphasized by the version number bump
May 18 21:56:16 <hackkitten> hi g00s o/
May 18 21:56:32 <g00s> :O hi hackkitten :)
May 18 21:56:43 <Zider> hey hackerkitty
May 18 21:58:41 <g00s> damn, chrome keeps asking me to sign into my account. what a pita. i surf most of the day w/o being signed into google :)
May 18 21:58:51 <hackkitten> :)
May 18 21:58:53 <hackkitten> hi people o/
May 18 21:58:59 <hackkitten> g00s > I just use Firefox :D
May 18 21:59:12 <g00s> i used to … :/
May 18 22:00:28 <hackkitten> :<
May 18 22:04:03 <Zider> I still do.. because my tablet don't have ICS yet :P
May 18 22:10:22 <zylith-away> the ril file for the radio is it libril.so?
May 18 22:13:24 <pragma-> a new competitor emerges: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/129073-tizen-1-0-hands-on-can-samsung-and-intels-mobile-os-compete-with-android
May 18 22:15:46 <JakeWharton> Was it linked on that page? I certainly didn't see anything worthy to qualify as a competitor.
May 18 22:18:06 <joe75> the calculator is the only thing that looked good :P
May 18 22:19:12 <Squarepy> JakeWharton,  they will have to convince a lot of people of its use
May 18 22:19:38 <JakeWharton> At this point you cannot simply provide all of the features of Android or iOS in a more bland experience
May 18 22:19:45 <JakeWharton> You need to provide something both platforms do not
May 18 22:21:07 <joe75> even the phone itself looks like a pos
May 18 22:25:22 <Squarepy> JakeWharton, so that's why it being able running android apps is being hyped
May 18 22:25:46 <Squarepy> *to run
May 18 22:35:51 <neilalexander> Is there a known way to capture system audio, i.e. application audio output, from within an application on Android?
May 18 22:36:17 <neilalexander> I see MediaRecorder but from the dev guide it looks to only support external audio sources such as the microphones
May 18 22:37:29 <ctate> yeah, you can't splice into other app's audio streams
May 18 22:37:38 <ctate> and you very much can't intercept call audio
May 18 22:38:56 <wongk-home> oh jeez, another mobile OS?
May 18 22:39:28 <neilalexander> I was kind of hoping to intercept the Google Music app output, perhaps even as an equaliser module or so to capture the audio and redirect it elsewhere, but it seems not to be very possible :(
May 18 22:39:50 <ctate> isn't Tizen another of the Limo things?
May 18 22:43:28 <tnzr> can a non-Button also have an onClickListener?
May 18 22:43:39 <tnzr> basically i'd like something like a TextView to be clickable
May 18 22:44:56 <romainguy> tnzr: button is a textview
May 18 22:45:00 <romainguy> and all views are clickable
May 18 22:45:20 <tnzr> very cool, thanks
May 18 22:45:25 <f2prateek> Is there a simple way to display leading zeros in NumberPicker? eg: instead of 0 and 1, I would like to display or 00 and 01? Or alternatively, is there a way for TimePicker to choose seconds as well?
May 18 22:45:26 <tnzr> i guess next time maybe I should just try it :)
May 18 22:46:10 <wongk-home> tnzr: that's the spirit ;)
May 18 22:47:33 <tnzr> wongk-home: the training wheels are getting closer and closer to coming off, for sure :)
May 18 22:56:25 <ultrixx> hi i want the user to input numbers into an edittext which are then put into a listview. this works, but after having typed in the number, the edittext gets inactive and the user has to touch it again in order to input the next number. how can i activate the edittext programmatically?
May 18 22:57:06 <Jug6ernaut> ulrixx requestFocus
May 18 22:57:18 <ultrixx> Jug6ernaut, doesn't do anything
May 18 22:57:37 <Jug6ernaut> make sure its on the correct view, listviews are weird :S
May 18 23:00:37 <ultrixx> Jug6ernaut, the edittext would request focus not the listview
May 18 23:00:58 <ultrixx> but after requesting focus, nothing happens
May 18 23:01:02 <Jug6ernaut> ofc
May 18 23:08:11 <Jug6ernaut> is it possible to use a shareactionprovider as a view, outside of the actionbar
May 18 23:08:51 <Fisiu> google groups, nice, but how can I subscribe from other @ then gmail.com?
May 18 23:09:50 <Fisiu> standard email to android-developers-subscribe@googlegroups.com is rejected
May 18 23:18:26 <Fisiu> I guess no nntp support :/
May 18 23:25:43 <sukramTM> Hello, I want the my APP use in case 1 Layout 1 and in case 2 Layout 2. But this: http://pastebin.com/tuYFzHRu dont work. Eclipse says: Syntax error on token "else", delete this token
May 18 23:26:16 <ctate> protip: you also don't want to check password==""
May 18 23:26:24 <ctate> you want:  "".equals(password)
May 18 23:26:34 <ctate> you can't compare string *contents* with == in Java
May 18 23:26:42 <ctate> == checks whether they're hte same object in memory
May 18 23:26:50 <sukramTM> i come from php sory ;-=
May 18 23:27:14 <ctate> i'm sorry too.  php will ruin anyone.  :)
May 18 23:27:31 <sukramTM> i want to check if password exist
May 18 23:27:33 <wongk-home> the funny thing is that particular check would probably work
May 18 23:28:07 <wongk-home> unless the password in the pref file was empty
May 18 23:28:26 <wongk-home> anyway, == is not for checking if objects are equivalent
May 18 23:28:29 <canadiancow> null.equals(password)
May 18 23:28:40 <canadiancow> that checks if the password is null
May 18 23:28:57 <wongk-home> i come from C++, and also learned that lesson the hard way
May 18 23:29:04 <canadiancow> err
May 18 23:29:13 <canadiancow> im pretty sure if you have a string in c++ and you compare with ==, it fails
May 18 23:29:18 <sukramTM> if(null.equals(password)) ?
May 18 23:29:26 <canadiancow> sukramTM i was joking
May 18 23:29:29 <wongk-home> canadiancow: what gives you that idea?
May 18 23:29:32 <canadiancow> TextUtils.isEmpty(password)
May 18 23:29:41 * canadiancow wins
May 18 23:30:14 <wongk-home> and how do you think operator== works in C++ =]
May 18 23:31:05 <canadiancow> actually you can overload it, cant you
May 18 23:31:10 <canadiancow> i havent done much c++
May 18 23:31:11 <wongk-home> yes
May 18 23:31:11 <canadiancow> mostly c
May 18 23:31:19 <wongk-home> it does what you make it do
May 18 23:31:26 <canadiancow> yea yea that makes sense
May 18 23:31:32 <wongk-home> which for string classes, is typically the right thing
May 18 23:31:37 <canadiancow> typically :)
May 18 23:31:54 <sukramTM> but my problem with the 2 layout isnt solved
May 18 23:32:08 <canadiancow> why not
May 18 23:32:08 <wongk-home> your syntax looked valid to me, what is the error?
May 18 23:33:52 <sukramTM> ok it works
May 18 23:50:19 <canadiancow> JakeWharton can you upgrade ABS in my app for me plz
May 18 23:50:21 <canadiancow> and do my layout
May 18 23:50:22 <canadiancow> kthxbai
May 18 23:50:33 <canadiancow> REMEMBER WHAT I DID FOR YOU THAT NIGHT WHEN I WAS DRUNK
May 18 23:50:52 <JakeWharton> no
May 18 23:50:54 <JakeWharton> i don't
May 18 23:50:56 <JakeWharton> hence, drunk
May 18 23:51:07 <ctate> canadiancow drinks for JakeWharton to forget.
May 18 23:51:09 <canadiancow> i was drunk
May 18 23:51:10 <canadiancow> you were not
May 18 23:51:19 <canadiancow> i was at a bar in toronto
May 18 23:51:24 <canadiancow> i got an email with a certain code
May 18 23:51:26 <canadiancow> a code i knew you wanted
May 18 23:51:27 <canadiancow> ;)
May 18 23:51:41 <ctate> ("So, an email walks into a bar....")
May 18 23:51:46 <JakeWharton> cd vendor/ActionBarSherlock && git checkout 4.1.0
May 18 23:51:48 <JakeWharton> done
May 18 23:51:55 <canadiancow> [19:50:10] <canadiancow> and do my layout
May 18 23:51:55 <canadiancow> [19:50:12] <canadiancow> kthxbai
May 18 23:52:29 <JakeWharton> start > programs > eclipse
May 18 23:52:32 <JakeWharton> click the pretty things
May 18 23:53:07 <canadiancow> i dont know what it needs to look like though
May 18 23:53:10 <canadiancow> you said you had an idea :(
May 18 23:53:43 <Jug6ernaut> magic
May 18 23:53:48 <Jug6ernaut> ofc
May 19 00:01:56 <john_doe_jr> how would I determine the screen size of the xoom that I have?  I have the build number.
May 19 00:02:27 <ctate> err, why might it not be 1280x800?
May 19 00:02:37 <ctate> afaik all xooms are the same size....
May 19 00:02:42 <std0s> is 800x600
May 19 00:02:57 <canadiancow> how tall is the system bar?
May 19 00:02:59 <canadiancow> if that makes a diff
May 19 00:03:04 <Jug6ernaut> not a xoom xoom then...one of its childs or something
May 19 00:03:21 <ctate> 80 pixels, canadiancow -- it's 720p plus the status bar
May 19 00:03:28 <canadiancow> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jotabout.screeninfo
May 19 00:03:30 <john_doe_jr> so the emulator size needs to be wxga800?
May 19 00:03:44 <canadiancow> oic ctate
May 19 00:03:50 <canadiancow> that is surprisingly logical
May 19 00:03:52 <canadiancow> :)
May 19 00:03:53 <ctate> john_doe_jr:  yes
May 19 00:04:06 <canadiancow> brb im going to subway =)
May 19 00:04:29 <std0s> no rception in the subway
May 19 00:05:00 <std0s> much like no reception inthe mine
May 19 00:05:18 <canadiancow> that's not necessarily true
May 19 00:05:29 <canadiancow> tehre are areas here where the subway is above ground
May 19 00:05:36 <canadiancow> also, im talking about subway the sandwich place
May 19 00:05:42 <std0s> oxymoron
May 19 00:05:47 <canadiancow> i know
May 19 00:05:50 <std0s> sub=under]
May 19 00:06:05 <canadiancow> so if ibuild an underground train, and call it a subway
May 19 00:06:08 <canadiancow> then extend it above ground
May 19 00:06:11 <canadiancow> is it no logner a subway?
May 19 00:06:18 <canadiancow> or does it become something else when it emerges?
May 19 00:06:32 <JakeWharton> your mom
May 19 00:06:39 <canadiancow> JakeWharton i swear i will kick your teeth
May 19 00:06:42 <canadiancow> well not really
May 19 00:06:48 <canadiancow> im not that flexible
May 19 00:06:52 <canadiancow> lets go with "not buy you a beer"
May 19 00:06:59 <JakeWharton> i owe you beer
May 19 00:07:03 <JakeWharton> so…
May 19 00:07:08 <JakeWharton> rainbows and unicorns
May 19 00:07:08 <canadiancow> oh
May 19 00:07:17 <canadiancow> you got me one last time
May 19 00:07:19 <canadiancow> s/one/seven/
May 19 00:07:19 <JakeWharton> true
May 19 00:07:21 <JakeWharton> only one?
May 19 00:07:22 <JakeWharton> yeah
May 19 00:07:24 <canadiancow> :D
May 19 00:07:26 <JakeWharton> my tab was pretty large haha
May 19 00:07:32 <canadiancow> evancharlton got me some crazy drink at the next place
May 19 00:07:42 <canadiancow> a dirty mexican
May 19 00:07:45 <canadiancow> or something like that
May 19 00:07:46 <canadiancow> angry cuban
May 19 00:07:51 <canadiancow> i dunno
May 19 00:08:03 <pragma-> that's racist
May 19 00:08:06 <canadiancow> lol
May 19 00:08:08 <canadiancow> no
May 19 00:08:09 <canadiancow> it isn't
May 19 00:08:11 <ctate> there is a drink called a Dirty Mexican
May 19 00:08:17 <ctate> it looks pretty disgusting
May 19 00:08:17 <canadiancow> this was cuban
May 19 00:08:21 <ctate> k
May 19 00:08:26 <canadiancow> ctate is the drink master
May 19 00:08:33 <canadiancow> are you coming out with us in late june?
May 19 00:08:41 <ctate> conceivably
May 19 00:08:50 <ctate> i'm not presenting but i might wander up for afters
May 19 00:08:57 <canadiancow> :)
May 19 00:08:57 <pragma-> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/157/122/f.gif
May 19 00:09:14 <ctate> ahem.
May 19 00:09:17 <pragma-> :o
May 19 00:09:21 <canadiancow> ctate...
May 19 00:09:34 <leslie> canadiancow: 90% of "London Underground" is above ground, apparently
May 19 00:09:38 <pragma-> should i have used the black kid instead?  :(
May 19 00:09:57 <ctate> s/the black kid/self-restraint/ perhaps
May 19 00:10:03 <JakeWharton> pragma-: that was amazing
May 19 00:10:06 * pragma- protects his teeth.
May 19 00:10:16 <JakeWharton> but i'm not encouraging...
May 19 00:11:10 <john_doe_jr> My XOOM is 1280 by 752
May 19 00:11:20 <romainguy> john_doe_jr: no, it's not
May 19 00:11:27 <romainguy> it's 1280x800
May 19 00:11:36 <romainguy> but the apps can only access 1280x752
May 19 00:11:40 <romainguy> the rest is for the navbar
May 19 00:11:41 <john_doe_jr> that's what the app said https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jotabout.screeninfo
May 19 00:11:42 <std0s> safety first lol
May 19 00:11:51 <leslie> except for ICS, right?
May 19 00:11:58 <john_doe_jr> It is ICS
May 19 00:12:05 <romainguy> doesn
May 19 00:12:11 <romainguy> doesn't matter whether it's ICS or HC
May 19 00:12:21 <leslie> I mean, you can have full screen apps for videos, etc
May 19 00:12:21 <ctate> oh, 752, not 720, right
May 19 00:12:27 <romainguy> Xoom has a 1280x800 screen with a 48px high navbar
May 19 00:12:55 <leslie> or does Android tablet not have the full-screen thing that phones have?
May 19 00:13:09 <john_doe_jr> ctate: yup 752
May 19 00:13:58 <std0s> leslie, no - only 50% of the screen used for android lol
May 19 00:14:27 <ctate> leslie: on devices like the Xoom, even "full screen" doesn't get to take over the nav bar area
May 19 00:14:38 <ctate> because the user must always be able to get to the back / home / etc buttons
May 19 00:14:45 <leslie> well I meant the full screen thing that removes the system navigation bar. I've seen it on my Galaxy Nexus, but I dunno if it's available for tablets.
May 19 00:14:59 <std0s> all app can overtake menu
May 19 00:15:33 <std0s> just set the thingy
May 19 00:16:22 <john_doe_jr> well thank you guys and gals...the emulator looks exactly like the XOOM
May 19 00:16:44 <john_doe_jr> WXGA800
May 19 00:17:12 <std0s> in the app use the correct theme
May 19 00:17:23 <std0s> not inc taskbar
May 19 00:18:49 <ctate> you cannot take over the status bar area that contains the navigation controls
May 19 00:19:01 <ctate> at best you can sort of dim it but it will come back on user request
May 19 00:19:09 <storkme_> my status bar area just started moving
May 19 00:19:13 <storkme_> it's still doing it
May 19 00:19:23 <storkme_> jumping up and down by a few pixels
May 19 00:19:34 <storkme_> on a transformer prime - anyone ever seen this before?
May 19 00:19:55 <std0s> choose a full screen theme
May 19 00:20:18 <storkme_> now my whole home screen is doing it o.O
May 19 00:20:35 <std0s> in the manikfes
May 19 00:20:37 <std0s> t
May 19 00:22:36 <ctate> btw:  everybody please please do update to ABS 4.1+
May 19 00:22:44 <ctate> the futureproofing there is good mojo
May 19 00:23:05 <storkme_> when did that come out? i was on abs.io today and got 4.0.2
May 19 00:23:16 <ctate> an hour or two ago?  :)
May 19 00:23:51 <storkme_> i can't keep up with this
May 19 00:24:06 <ctate> update ALL the things!
May 19 00:26:21 * readme was hoping that you guys were talking about a new version of ADT, but checked and not yet :|
May 19 00:26:39 <lesshaste> hi
May 19 00:26:59 <lesshaste> anyone working in an mplayer port of anything that uses ffmpeg?
May 19 00:27:06 <lesshaste> port or...
May 19 00:27:16 <storkme_> so uhh the notification bar on my tfprime is still wobbling o.O and soare all the context menus
May 19 00:28:10 <john_doe_jr> lesshaste: I've usd ffmpeg before
May 19 00:28:21 <lesshaste> john_doe_jr, in android ?
May 19 00:28:30 <john_doe_jr> lesshaste: nope
May 19 00:28:38 <john_doe_jr> lesshaste: never thought of doing that
May 19 00:28:45 <lesshaste> ah ok
May 19 00:28:48 <lesshaste> that's my problem :)
May 19 00:28:53 <lesshaste> I need a port
May 19 00:32:16 <ultrixx> so i solved my problem with the edittext not getting focus with requestFocus()
May 19 00:32:33 <ultrixx> anyone interested?
May 19 00:32:59 <leslie> ?
May 19 00:33:05 <lesshaste> john_doe_jr, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2645041/ffmpeg-for-a-android-using-tutorial-ffmpeg-and-android-mk
May 19 00:33:34 <p_l> ctate: what futureproofing? :D
May 19 00:34:13 <ctate> ask JakeWharton; he's the one who did it :)
May 19 00:34:21 <svm_invictvs> Does the NDK support OpenAL?
May 19 00:36:13 <readme> ultrixx: what'd you do: setFocusable(true), setFocusableInTouchMode(true), requestFocus() ?
May 19 00:36:14 <ultrixx> i wonder if the majaority of recent cellphones has a arm cpu with an fpu built in
May 19 00:36:30 <ctate> smartphones, yes
May 19 00:36:55 <ctate> the G1 and HTC Magic did not have an fpu, but all of the successive Google-involved Android phones do
May 19 00:37:27 <leslie> anything ARM v7 based did, I think
May 19 00:38:14 <ultrixx> readme: no :-) a bit more elegant in fact. in the xml file i set android:nextFocusDown="@+id/   to itself, so itself was the "next" one wich got focus after the user entered his input
May 19 00:38:41 <readme> ah
May 19 00:38:41 <ultrixx> readme, that was all, no code involved
May 19 00:38:53 <readme> ultrixx: i use that trick to make an EditText clickable and behave like a button
May 19 00:39:04 <readme> then I use setOnClickListener
May 19 00:39:29 <readme> In this app I have in one case, it makes sense to just type (enter text), but then you can switch a radio button, and enter a date, so it instead launches a DatePicker.
May 19 00:39:48 <ultrixx> readme, good idea
May 19 00:40:33 <ultrixx> but i have to admit that it took me over one hour of frustration to find the (almost) obvious solution
May 19 00:42:00 <tnzr> man
May 19 00:42:08 <g00s> man, indeed "Microsoft Wins US Import Ban On Motorola's Android Devices"
May 19 00:42:21 <tnzr> readme: I'm really impressed by people's tricks like that with android (and ultrixx too)
May 19 00:44:07 <readme> tnzr: tricks are better than doing an extra hour of work :)
May 19 00:44:27 <p_l> ... I misread that as a common trick between Android and Ultrix
May 19 00:44:37 <tnzr> readme: I'm just continually being educated on how much you can really do if you know your stuff
May 19 00:45:14 <p_l> ultrixx: btw, most phones have FPU, but it's not required on devices that aren't armv7
May 19 00:45:57 <p_l> a lot of the non-armv7 devices got arm1176jzf-s which has vfp2
May 19 00:46:09 <ultrixx> p_l, thank you. now that is good news for me since i am writing a math intensive app
May 19 00:46:21 <p_l> ultrixx: you'll have to do manual checking though
May 19 00:46:58 <ultrixx> p_l, sure.
May 19 00:47:02 <p_l> It's also unclear whether DVM will properly use FPU on pre-v7a devices, though there are various optimizations
May 19 00:47:06 <p_l> but from NDK it works
May 19 00:48:53 <readme> tnzr: play and experiment
May 19 00:49:25 <ctate> p_l: i believe it will on any device that properly reports the presence of an FPU
May 19 00:50:59 <p_l> ultrixx: oh, just to make sure - Android uses softfpu calling convention on arm, not hardfpu (meaning passing floating point data as if FPU was not present, even if FPU is used for calculations)
May 19 01:03:15 * g00s is hoping that new emu with bluetooth support is coming sooner rather than later :)
May 19 01:05:32 <b1n0ry> i just want to make sure i'm learning and doing properly. i want my app to be 2.3 compatible (v8), and i want to properly use asynctasks. so i add the support lib - specifically the v4 support lib - to my project, make sure it's in the build path, and i should be able to instantiate async subclasses to handle my off-ui io... does it sound remotely like i know what i'm talking about?
May 19 01:06:16 <romainguy> AsyncTask exists since 1.5
May 19 01:06:43 <b1n0ry> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/AsyncTaskLoader.html says "Since: API Level 11"
May 19 01:06:54 <GeeksOnHugs> Should I be able to comment out an individual line in XML?  What am I doing wrong if so?  http://pastebin.com/CjS2WBSb
May 19 01:07:10 <romainguy> b1n0ry: that's asynctaskloader
May 19 01:07:13 <romainguy> it's different :0
May 19 01:07:42 <b1n0ry> so the answer to 'does it sound remotely like i know what i'm talking about' is an emphatic "no"
May 19 01:07:49 <b1n0ry> got it :)
May 19 01:07:54 <romainguy> :))
May 19 01:08:08 <b1n0ry> hey, i'm just a guy trying to learn here, that's all :)
May 19 01:09:07 <GeeksOnHugs> So I take it you cannot have a commented line WITHIN an element? http://pastebin.com/CjS2WBSb
May 19 01:09:12 <b1n0ry> GeeksOnHugs, you can't enter a comment in the MIDDLE of a tag
May 19 01:09:23 <b1n0ry> ok ;)
May 19 01:09:25 <GeeksOnHugs> ah...kk :(
May 19 01:09:30 <GeeksOnHugs> thank you :P
May 19 01:10:01 <b1n0ry> np, it's a lot like html that way:   <a href="http://www.google.com/" <-- link to google -->> {-- not valid
May 19 01:10:02 <GeeksOnHugs> that's not very convenient...surely it wouldn't be difficult to allow it...wonder why it is prohibited
May 19 01:10:33 <GeeksOnHugs> OK, I'm new to XML and not really experienced with HTML significantly (yet)  hehe...thank you bro :)
May 19 01:11:51 <p_l> GeeksOnHugs: that's because comments in HTML are elements in SGML...
May 19 01:12:13 <b1n0ry> yep, a comment is, itself a tag
May 19 01:12:17 <b1n0ry> so that's like nesting two tags
May 19 01:13:27 <b1n0ry> <a href="http://www.google.com" <label>my link to google</label> class="someclass">Link to Google</a>
May 19 01:13:31 <b1n0ry> wouldn't work too well...
May 19 01:13:44 <GeeksOnHugs> i c ... I'm sure it'll make more sense as I get experience
May 19 01:14:39 <g00s> romainguy: this sony nex-7 looks very impressive. still a bit out of my price range though; but the iq was supposed to be excellent
May 19 01:14:46 <romainguy> yep
May 19 01:14:55 <romainguy> I want a Monochrom though :p
May 19 01:15:15 <g00s> heh, is that the 112 mp thing in satellites :P
May 19 01:15:28 <b1n0ry> i wonder if i take this sprint tablet i have to sprint store if they'll disable their 'hands free activation' software
May 19 01:15:37 <romainguy> g00s: no the new Leica
May 19 01:15:43 <g00s> oooh
May 19 01:15:44 <b1n0ry> i just want the wifi feature so to get nagged every 10 minutes to activate the 3g is rather annoying
May 19 01:27:44 <^DEMOSS^> ha all )
May 19 01:28:30 <homie> lo
May 19 01:32:55 <^DEMOSS^> enybody have htc desire or asus transformer tf 101g ?
May 19 01:33:02 <^DEMOSS^> anybody*
May 19 01:34:00 <^DEMOSS^> my ferst question - what process in android system monitoring battery status ?
May 19 01:35:28 <pfn> be more specific
May 19 01:42:59 <b1n0ry> i send some extras to an activity telling that activity to get some data from a web server. while in the activity, the user browses some stuff and the extra that was sent no longer applies. then, the user turns the phone and changes the orientation which reloads the extras... how do i prevent this?
May 19 01:43:07 <b1n0ry> i can explain more in depth if necessary
May 19 01:48:53 <pragma-> t0mless: my graph legend now sorts itself based on the visible data in the graph
May 19 01:49:21 <t0mless> Nice
May 19 01:49:45 <pragma-> t0mless: expand-all for a quick overview: http://code.google.com/p/iptableslog/source/detail?r=102#
May 19 01:50:20 * pragma- hacked it in :p
May 19 01:51:11 <pragma-> also, I hate tabs.
May 19 01:52:16 <JakeWharton> action bar
May 19 01:52:43 <JakeWharton> romainguy: why you let Chet tell lies about my library on stage? :)
May 19 01:54:38 <romainguy> JakeWharton: uh?
May 19 01:54:43 <romainguy> didn't he say it was great?
May 19 01:54:43 <GeeksOnHugs> I'm getting a warning for "Invalid layout param" for  android:layout_alignParentBottom=true which is in the documentation?  Could it be an API version issue?
May 19 01:54:45 <t0mless> you should have gone on stage and lit his pants on fire
May 19 01:55:38 <t0mless> GeeksOnHugs are you trying to use it for a non-RelativeLayout?
May 19 01:55:51 <GeeksOnHugs> yes, a linear layout
May 19 01:56:06 <GeeksOnHugs> I'm copying it from an online example...
May 19 01:56:24 <t0mless> well your online example is wrong
May 19 01:56:32 <t0mless> that won't work with a linear layout
May 19 01:56:33 <GeeksOnHugs> http://mobiforge.com/developing/story/using-google-maps-android
May 19 01:56:43 <t0mless> unless you're trying to position your linear layout inside a relative layout
May 19 01:56:49 <JakeWharton> romainguy: He said there was little use because you can't animate any cool properties. And I was only half joking, I was going to come up after but me and boss man had to run back to the office since we were releasing a new version.
May 19 01:57:12 <romainguy> JakeWharton: ah
May 19 01:57:20 <GeeksOnHugs> oh, well in his example he is, but I am trying to do linear in liear?
May 19 01:57:22 <romainguy> but your library doesn't animate properties
May 19 01:57:29 <GeeksOnHugs> t0mless see above please
May 19 01:57:30 <romainguy> it's a big lie :p
May 19 01:57:35 <t0mless> GeeksOnHugs then you are in correct :)
May 19 01:57:48 <JakeWharton> no, but you get a better API and all of the new transformations under a single API
May 19 01:57:52 <GeeksOnHugs> heh...OK, can you emplain to me this so I can learn?
May 19 01:58:20 <t0mless> layout_alignParentBottom is for views and viewgroups inside a RelativeLayout
May 19 01:58:22 <JakeWharton> sure it still operates under the restriction of the old animation framework (most specifically, you can't move the hit target), but I still think it's infinitely more useful than juggling the two
May 19 01:58:59 <GeeksOnHugs> ah, I see, where does it say it in the documentation?  I looked it up on developer.android.com
May 19 01:59:07 <romainguy> JakeWharton: his point was still valid
May 19 02:00:33 <JakeWharton> I still think it's more useful than nothing. I also think it's more useful than the old animation framework as well.
May 19 02:00:38 <JakeWharton> I love me some 3D rotations
May 19 02:05:39 <b1n0ry> anyone use actionbarsherlock for actionbar implementations pre ICS?
May 19 02:05:50 <b1n0ry> or could recommend a good actionbar library, if not
May 19 02:05:55 <romainguy> JakeWharton: besides I don't think he was talking about your library :)
May 19 02:06:11 <romainguy> I remember another port that was just that
May 19 02:06:17 <romainguy> a port of android.animationa nd nothing else
May 19 02:06:27 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: i do
May 19 02:07:11 <b1n0ry> i'm guessing because you wrote it ;)
May 19 02:07:19 <JakeWharton> yeah that too
May 19 02:07:38 <b1n0ry> wouldn't be a good testimonial to not use software you wrote, haha
May 19 02:08:00 <JakeWharton> well, technically I've never written an app with it
May 19 02:08:27 <JakeWharton> two months ago I got hired at a company why elected to use it before I was hired
May 19 02:08:37 <studentrob> can anyone clue me into what apk signing or zip signing is? does this let me install an app without root?
May 19 02:09:00 <b1n0ry> well, i just downloaded it so i'm going to give it a go.
May 19 02:09:03 <JakeWharton> studentrob: no, you must always sign an APK, even with only a debug key
May 19 02:09:26 <JakeWharton> I recommend you read http://developer.android.com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html
May 19 02:09:28 <studentrob> JakeWharton: okay thanks
May 19 02:09:40 <GeeksOnHugs> t0mless is there something equivalent I could do to keep my linear layout as is but include this new layout?  My file and the example file here http://pastebin.com/auaSvyNv  (if you have a second)
May 19 02:09:41 <JakeWharton> it's long, but informative
May 19 02:10:10 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: feel free to ask me any questions on here or via the Google Group or StackOverflow
May 19 02:10:40 <studentrob> what I'm really trying to do is install the ownhere version of  google maps that enables navigation in countries outside the USA … I had it before, but I accidentally updated maps and now my phone isn't rooted anymore due to a forced update to the droid 2 global , and the process for getting root back is too risky for me to do right now (leaving in a few days to travel)
May 19 02:10:48 <Leeds> *any* questions? ;)
May 19 02:11:02 <b1n0ry> here's another question (pardon, i'm a bit noobish when it comes to droid dev)... i learned yesterday that changing screen orientation reloads an activity. suppose i have an activity that fetches data from a web server to populate the ui. how do i prevent it from 'refetching' every single time the orientation changes?
May 19 02:11:03 <JakeWharton> s/any questions/any actionbarsherlock-related questions/
May 19 02:11:09 <Leeds> damn!
May 19 02:11:10 <JakeWharton> *Android dev
May 19 02:11:11 <b1n0ry> understood, thanks ;)
May 19 02:11:20 <b1n0ry> lol
May 19 02:11:28 <studentrob> what chat room might deal with rooting and installing non-standard apps?
May 19 02:11:40 <JakeWharton> #android-root
May 19 02:11:42 <Leeds> b1n0ry: you handle the orientation change yourself, or you handle the data somewhere outside your transient activity
May 19 02:11:49 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: you need to cache the result somewhere
May 19 02:11:55 <studentrob> JakeWharton: ty again
May 19 02:11:57 <JakeWharton> I would not recommend handling orientation changes yourself
May 19 02:13:07 <Leeds> *or* you force orientation...
May 19 02:13:25 <JakeWharton> that's even worse :PO
May 19 02:13:27 <JakeWharton> woah
May 19 02:13:43 <b1n0ry> part of the trouble that i'm running into is that i have a webview that can change content based on user button presses within the activity. i initialize the web view using extras passed from the previous activity. (it's somewhat like an ebook reader). so, for example, user selects chapter 10 from a listview, then while reading, they "browse" to chapter 11. when the orientation changes, the extra loads, the webview loads, and they'r
May 19 02:13:43 <b1n0ry> e back on chapter 10.
May 19 02:17:07 <john_doe_jr> Can I create a folder names "sub_layouts" for all the sub_layouts that I have?
May 19 02:17:16 <JakeWharton> no
May 19 02:17:19 <b1n0ry> maybe caching could fix that, too... first launch of the activity clears the cache and repopulates. also clear and populate any time they change navigation. subsequent launches (such as after orientation change) check for the existance of a cache and load from there...
May 19 02:17:22 <b1n0ry> i think that might work...
May 19 02:17:25 <JakeWharton> you cannot put folders underneath the high-level resource folders
May 19 02:17:40 <JakeWharton> b1n0ry: you should consider a Loader which caches the result of a background opeation
May 19 02:18:08 <b1n0ry> Loader? i'm trying to be 2.3.3 compatible
May 19 02:18:18 <b1n0ry> considering my primary device is a droid x...
May 19 02:18:20 <t0mless> GeeksOnHugs just change your linear layout to have android:layout_gravity="center_horizontal|bottom" instead of the two RelativeLayout only params
May 19 02:18:33 <JakeWharton> support library puts loaders on 1.6+
May 19 02:18:34 <JakeWharton> t
May 19 02:18:52 <b1n0ry> would a loader be able to handle something like i just described?
May 19 02:19:02 <b1n0ry> sorry, i'm very very new to this
May 19 02:19:33 <JakeWharton> you can force-restart a loader
May 19 02:19:40 <JakeWharton> it caches the last result otherwise
May 19 02:20:22 <b1n0ry> so it's basically a built-in way to do exactly what i just described... lol
May 19 02:20:52 <t0mless> #android-root is the correct answer.
May 19 02:20:57 <t0mless> oops
May 19 02:20:59 <t0mless> was scrolled up
May 19 02:22:15 <b1n0ry> are Loaders available across activities?
May 19 02:22:30 <b1n0ry> e.g. could i use a loader in one activity and the result in another?
May 19 02:22:48 <t0mless> you should just pass the result to the new activity
May 19 02:22:59 <b1n0ry> i wouldn't know what the result is yet...
May 19 02:23:48 <b1n0ry> hmm... i need to really think about this
May 19 02:24:18 <b1n0ry> i honestly have zero idea of how to make my app behave the way i want it to
May 19 02:24:28 <JakeWharton> service?
May 19 02:25:04 <Napalm> hey JakeWharton
May 19 02:25:15 <JakeWharton> Hay
May 19 02:25:24 <b1n0ry> maybe...
May 19 02:26:49 <b1n0ry> let me give an overview. i do a json call to get a list of "chapters" in a book and put them in a list view. when user touches one, the chapter number is passed to my "reader" activity. the reader activity runs a json call to get the content of the chapter and display it in a webview.
May 19 02:27:10 <Napalm> JakeWharton: what talk "presentation" where you talking about with romain?
May 19 02:27:19 <JakeWharton> at AnDevCon
May 19 02:27:36 <JakeWharton> like, Wednesday
May 19 02:27:36 <b1n0ry> within the reader activity, there are navigation buttons that increment or decrement the chapter number, make a new json call, and repopulate the webview.
May 19 02:27:59 <Napalm> ah, cool
May 19 02:29:20 <b1n0ry> which seemed pretty straight forward and actually does work... unless the user touches chapter 5, then uses the navigation buttons to go to 8 and then reorients the screen in which case it's as if the original chapter number was passed and they're looking at 5 again.
May 19 02:30:22 <b1n0ry> i would only want the loader to refresh if either (a) the activity is finished or (b) they change the naviga...
May 19 02:30:27 <b1n0ry> nm, i just answered my own question.
May 19 02:31:23 <b1n0ry> ...no i didn't... how would i do the initial population when they go into the reader activity for the first time?
May 19 02:31:46 <b1n0ry> i certainly wouldn't want it to re-initialize the loader every time
May 19 02:32:12 <b1n0ry> bah... going down for ibuprofen, brb
May 19 02:32:19 <JakeWharton> so, b1n0ry, you should be caching these in a more persistent mechanism other than just somewhere in a class
May 19 02:32:25 <JakeWharton> you should think about writing the JSON to disk
May 19 02:32:43 <b1n0ry> that's what i was initially thinking
May 19 02:32:53 <b1n0ry> the json response is relatively small, could just use internal storage
May 19 02:33:05 <JakeWharton> yes, Android has the concept of a cache directory that's specific to your application
May 19 02:33:16 <b1n0ry> even with the content, it's usually less than 1-2k
May 19 02:33:32 <JakeWharton> there's also a back port of the new HttpReponseCache which will do a lot of this for you
May 19 02:34:02 <b1n0ry> i will eventually learn this stuff and be fluent. heck i just started programming java less than a week ago, let alone android-sdk.
May 19 02:34:12 <JakeWharton> yeah, it's a lot to take in
May 19 02:34:16 <JakeWharton> measure twice, cut once
May 19 02:34:31 <JakeWharton> there's a lot of good talks from Google I/O over the past three years
May 19 02:34:38 <b1n0ry> oh i'm already on my 3rd rewrite on this app...
May 19 02:34:39 <JakeWharton> there's also stuff on parleys.com from Devoxx
May 19 02:34:39 <JakeWharton> a
May 19 02:35:08 <b1n0ry> thought i had it in the bag and making good progress until i realized that in 3, you can't do an http call on a ui thread...
May 19 02:35:22 <b1n0ry> everything that worked fine on my emulator and phone, crapped out on my tablet
May 19 02:35:32 <JakeWharton> yeah, that's a huge "no"
May 19 02:35:38 <b1n0ry> no error, no exceptions... just returned a null
May 19 02:35:39 <JakeWharton> AsyncTask is your friend if it's a simple network call
May 19 02:36:00 <b1n0ry> learned that now, i was trying to use thread/handler but asynctask looks cleaner in the code
May 19 02:36:09 <b1n0ry> not sure the difference other than asynctask seems less "messy"
May 19 02:36:44 <b1n0ry> i just say, thank goodness for stackoverfly and my safari books subscription
May 19 02:36:49 <b1n0ry> overflow
May 19 02:41:45 <pragma-> hm, the google play market app respects html tags in the "what's new" bit, but the play website doesn't :/
May 19 02:43:18 <Napalm> pragma-: what you trying to do atm in html?
May 19 02:43:29 <Napalm> perhaps it could be "faked" with unicode chars
May 19 02:43:53 <pragma-> that's another quirky thing, I'm just adding a <p> tag because the website doesn't respect my blank line but the app does
May 19 02:44:03 <pragma-> so I'm trying to replace the blank line with a <p> instead
May 19 02:44:26 <Napalm> you can force whitespace with unicode
May 19 02:44:30 <Napalm> so it might be a solution
May 19 02:44:36 <pragma-> hm
May 19 02:45:16 <pragma-> I expect better consistency!
May 19 02:45:49 <Napalm> \u2029 paragraph seperator
May 19 02:46:03 <Napalm> \u2028 line seperator
May 19 02:46:06 <Napalm> try those
May 19 02:46:08 <pragma-> thanks
May 19 02:47:15 <Napalm> if the website accepts them, but the app doesnt then you could mix both methods i suppose to get the best of both worlds
May 19 02:47:21 <Napalm> either way, let me know if they work D:
May 19 02:49:19 <pragma-> it tends to take hours of refreshing before i finally see my update propagate through
May 19 02:49:47 <Napalm> :(
May 19 02:50:05 <Napalm> the developers account should get updated first
May 19 02:50:09 <Napalm> would save google bandwidth
May 19 02:50:13 <Napalm> ^ here that
May 19 02:50:14 <pragma-> somedays I get my timing lucky
May 19 02:50:15 <Napalm> :P
May 19 02:50:32 <Napalm> was not directed at you pragma-
May 19 02:50:34 <Napalm> ;)
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