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Jul 14 03:02:38 <nomi1988> come on man, you're not helping
Jul 14 03:03:06 <nomi1988> why do all these people are here yet they don't want to help
Jul 14 03:03:32 <lasserix> nostlogia of the days before when IRC ruled the intertubes
Jul 14 03:04:24 <nomi1988> who're you?
Jul 14 03:04:44 <zinx> there were no days like that, lasserix
Jul 14 03:05:23 <jparkton> lol
Jul 14 03:05:30 <lasserix> once upon a time irc was populated by chatrooms of topics other than hacking and programming
Jul 14 03:05:36 <jparkton> before the days of telnet star wars movies in ascii
Jul 14 03:05:40 <lasserix> hehe
Jul 14 03:05:41 <zinx> lasserix: lies
Jul 14 03:05:46 <jparkton> all lies
Jul 14 03:05:52 <jparkton> pics or it didnt happen
Jul 14 03:19:13 <I440r> ok so i have a mHandler = new Handler() { lots of code here } type thing that i got from an example.. this seems to be the way this sort of thing is donoe most times
Jul 14 03:19:33 <I440r> but i want my handler to NOT be an anonymous class inside my run() part... how would i factor that out?
Jul 14 03:19:41 <I440r> cyz im a bit confused how to do that
Jul 14 03:20:20 <ryanm> you could create a class that extends Handler and pass an instance of that where you'd normally pass the anonymous clas
Jul 14 03:20:23 <ryanm> s
Jul 14 03:20:46 <I440r> i dont pass the handler
Jul 14 03:21:23 <I440r> public void run() { Looper.prepare mHandler = new Handler() { handler here };  Looper.loop(); }
Jul 14 03:21:27 <I440r> i want the handler factored out
Jul 14 03:22:03 <I440r> i dont want mHandler = new Handler() { code here }
Jul 14 03:22:25 <I440r> i want handler as a separate method within this looper/handler class
Jul 14 03:22:38 <droidbuster> i am still stuck on exporting an app from eclipse i have tried so many times its not funny to export the app but it exports with no valid icon i followed changing the icon size and format and cleaned it about 20 times now and no dice
Jul 14 03:22:39 <I440r> or a as a separate class referenced by this one
Jul 14 03:22:44 <droidbuster> i have googled it all day
Jul 14 03:23:02 <ryanm> mHandler = new ClassThatImplementsHandler();
Jul 14 03:23:03 <I440r> droidbuster, you want to stop fighting development tools ALL DAY? stop using eclipse
Jul 14 03:23:04 <I440r> period
Jul 14 03:23:08 <I440r> use intelij idea
Jul 14 03:23:10 <ryanm> would that do what you need?
Jul 14 03:23:13 <I440r> and LOVE the devel env
Jul 14 03:23:39 <I440r> ryanm, yea erm maybe let me try
Jul 14 03:23:39 <droidbuster> i have intellj but my project is all in eclipse including the keystore
Jul 14 03:24:07 <I440r> convert it. take the time to do that. or just "import existing project"
Jul 14 03:24:24 <I440r> abandon eclipse it is the single worst piece of software ever developed
Jul 14 03:24:40 <I440r> it takes horrendously fucked up to entirely new levels
Jul 14 03:24:52 <zinx> o_O
Jul 14 03:26:00 <droidbuster> I440r: that is your opinion not mine.
Jul 14 03:26:40 <ryanm> I'm personally able to work fairly effectively in eclipse.  Occasionally something doesn't work, but that's true of a lot of software.
Jul 14 03:27:12 <droidbuster> i exported 3 apps this week this only one being falty
Jul 14 03:27:17 <droidbuster> faulty*
Jul 14 03:27:17 <DigitalKiwi> s/a lot/all/
Jul 14 03:27:22 <I440r> IJ is good. eclipes doesnt even come close to bad they are that bad
Jul 14 03:27:53 <ryanm> with eclipse you have ADT though, which is a huge advantage if you're doing android dev
Jul 14 03:28:02 <zinx> I440r: no offense, but most people here are probably not going to be apt to take programming advice from someone who doesn't know how to extend Handler.
Jul 14 03:28:03 <droidbuster> i didnt ask for a ide pref i asked for a solution to a problem of it not exporting the icon on the app correctly
Jul 14 03:28:26 <droidbuster> thus cant send to market
Jul 14 03:28:38 <ryanm> droidbuster: I've never seen this error before, but is there anything in the error log or console in eclipse?
Jul 14 03:30:00 <droidbuster> ryanm no there isnt it is exporting the app correctly i had 4 test devices i put the app on no problem then signed it and exported it right the first time and no icon. did not catch my attention. then uploaded it to play and errors need 48x48 png...
Jul 14 03:30:25 <droidbuster> so i redid the icon.... 3 times in gimp.... now it is not setting the icon on the file correctly
Jul 14 03:31:17 <droidbuster> i mirrored the project in a new project and copied the files over again and same thing not exporting the icon... no errors
Jul 14 03:32:28 <droidbuster> File written by Adobe Photoshop? 4.0 is in the file header hmmm i see a problem here
Jul 14 03:33:27 <ryanm> Sorry, I have no idea personally
Jul 14 03:33:37 <I440r> if i send 3 messages to a handler in A, B, C order, what order are they processed in?
Jul 14 03:33:37 <droidbuster> i know its perplexing
Jul 14 03:33:46 <I440r> i.e. are message queues queues or stacks
Jul 14 03:33:59 <ryanm> only thing I can think of is it may not be set correctly in the manifest
Jul 14 03:34:43 <droidbuster> checked it 3 times
Jul 14 03:34:46 <droidbuster> :)
Jul 14 03:35:10 <ryanm> is it in res/drawable?
Jul 14 03:37:58 <droidbuster> ryanm:   yes it is i think i finally might have got it
Jul 14 03:38:13 <ryanm> I'm curious what the issue was if you do get it
Jul 14 03:38:18 <droidbuster> i checked the file in n++ and the head was for a jpg
Jul 14 03:38:38 <droidbuster> but the extension was a png
Jul 14 03:38:54 <droidbuster> not gimp or windows picked it up lemme try to export it
Jul 14 03:38:54 <ryanm> ahh
Jul 14 03:38:57 <I440r> ugh thats messed up, gimp did that?
Jul 14 03:39:37 <ryanm> if you don't have the box checked for "determine file type by extension" in gimp it's not too hard to do
Jul 14 03:47:26 <droidbuster> ryanm: nope didnt fix the problem what the fuck is this shit really stupid jesus
Jul 14 03:59:30 <droidbuster> The icon for your application is not valid. Please use a 48x48 PNG. fucking still jesus
Jul 14 04:00:15 <ryanm> You may have checked this already, but is it definitely exporting (correctly) as a 48x48 PNG?
Jul 14 04:00:26 <ryanm> both resolution and format?
Jul 14 04:01:24 <droidbuster> yes i checked the header
Jul 14 04:01:27 <droidbuster> and the size
Jul 14 04:18:14 <JakeWharton> how do I measure the obnoxiously slow execution time of ant targets?
Jul 14 04:18:24 <JakeWharton> the profile logger is far too fine grained
Jul 14 05:06:51 <Belacan> hi all
Jul 14 05:07:08 <Belacan> im having trouble finding the right resources to learn how to do something
Jul 14 05:07:21 <Belacan> i want to programatically add UI elements
Jul 14 05:14:22 <lasserix> Belecan, complelty w/o xml?>
Jul 14 05:15:49 <f2prateek> view.addview()
Jul 14 05:15:53 <f2prateek> sorry
Jul 14 05:16:00 <f2prateek> view.addView(element)
Jul 14 05:16:23 <f2prateek> view can be anything like scrollview, linearlayout, relativelayout
Jul 14 05:17:00 <f2prateek> whats the difficulty you're having?
Jul 14 05:19:50 <Belacan> yeah
Jul 14 05:19:55 <Belacan> umm
Jul 14 05:20:00 <Belacan> well im just trying to figure it out really
Jul 14 05:20:19 <Belacan> I want to have a loop in my program that adds a layout for each element in a collection
Jul 14 05:21:03 <Belacan> So each layout would get its name from the name of the object
Jul 14 05:21:27 <Belacan> say the object is called V44 then i want the edit text associated with it to be called etV44
Jul 14 05:21:30 <Belacan> etc
Jul 14 05:21:34 <Belacan> im sure its possible
Jul 14 05:21:41 <f2prateek> yeah it it is
Jul 14 05:21:46 <f2prateek> have a base layout in xml
Jul 14 05:21:57 <f2prateek> setcontentview(baselayout)
Jul 14 05:21:57 <Belacan> Ok ive got that
Jul 14 05:23:09 <f2prateek> LinearLayout = findViewById(rootElement)
Jul 14 05:23:52 <Belacan> what do you mean by rootElement?
Jul 14 05:23:57 <f2prateek> for( collectinionItem: collection){ linearLayout.addView(addlayoutelement(collectionItem));}
Jul 14 05:24:26 <f2prateek> and addlayoutelement will return an edittext with the given parameter
Jul 14 05:24:47 <f2prateek> like the linearalyout in the xml
Jul 14 05:24:59 <f2prateek> easiest is linearlyolut coz it just works by adding
Jul 14 05:25:09 <Belacan> Ok so that would be the bigger one that everything is going into
Jul 14 05:25:13 <f2prateek> for relativelayout you have to manipulate the positition everytime
Jul 14 05:25:14 <f2prateek> yeah
Jul 14 05:25:24 <Belacan> yeah all of my things are in linear layouts
Jul 14 05:25:27 <Belacan> cool
Jul 14 05:25:29 <Belacan> thanks very much
Jul 14 05:25:31 <Belacan> ill give it a go
Jul 14 05:25:32 <f2prateek> and recommendd that you put that linearlayout inside a scrollview
Jul 14 05:25:47 <Belacan> so baselayout is the main screen in XML
Jul 14 05:25:53 <Belacan> we use R.layout..
Jul 14 05:26:03 <f2prateek> ya
Jul 14 05:26:14 <lasserix> setContentView(r.layout.mybaselayout)
Jul 14 05:26:17 <Belacan> and root element is a template of my button
Jul 14 05:26:26 <Belacan> buttons
Jul 14 05:26:26 <f2prateek> yes
Jul 14 05:26:27 <Belacan> ()
Jul 14 05:26:38 <lasserix> the buttons just controlling off/on?
Jul 14 05:26:41 <f2prateek> its different everytime based on the parameterss
Jul 14 05:27:14 <Belacan> its two buttons, an EditText and a TextView all inside a linear layout or two
Jul 14 05:27:48 <f2prateek> also considering using a custom listadapter, slightly more advanced learning curve, but highly configurable
Jul 14 05:28:09 <Belacan> Ok, ill try to get this working first
Jul 14 05:28:10 <Belacan> thanks
Jul 14 05:36:12 <Belacan> hmm
Jul 14 05:36:31 <Belacan> 	myLayout = findViewById(R.id.myLayout);
Jul 14 05:36:43 <Belacan> myLayout is declared as a LinearLayout
Jul 14 05:37:04 <Belacan> it says "cannot convert from view to LinearLayout:
Jul 14 05:37:06 <Belacan> :
Jul 14 05:37:07 <Belacan> "
Jul 14 05:37:15 <jasta> Belacan: what says that?
Jul 14 05:37:25 <f2prateek> add cast
Jul 14 05:37:27 <Belacan> the red squiggly line
Jul 14 05:37:33 <f2prateek>  myLayout = (LinearLayout) findViewById(R.id.myLayout);
Jul 14 05:37:42 <Belacan> ahh ofcourse
Jul 14 05:37:44 <Belacan> thanks
Jul 14 05:37:49 <Belacan> thats what i suggested but i was unsure
Jul 14 05:37:59 <jasta> Belacan: why do you even care that it's a LinearLayout btw?  not much you're gonna do about it in Java.
Jul 14 05:38:11 <jasta> why is myLayout not just a View?
Jul 14 05:38:28 <Belacan> I want to manipulate it in java
Jul 14 05:40:06 <jasta> Belacan: and why do you care that the variable's type is LinearLayout?  what does LinearLayout offer you that View does not, exactly?
Jul 14 05:40:23 <Belacan> Not sure
Jul 14 05:40:28 <Belacan> I want to add a button into it
Jul 14 05:40:30 <jasta> this is a very common silly mistake developers make with Android where they insist on casting layouts to their concrete types when they don't actually need to or care.
Jul 14 05:41:18 <Belacan> well keep spreading the good word then because i didnt know that
Jul 14 05:41:25 <jasta> Belacan: well then you need ViewGroup, not LinearLayout.
Jul 14 05:41:47 <jasta> and you want LayoutInflater btw.  if you call addView, you're probably doing it wrong.
Jul 14 05:42:05 <Belacan> how do you add something using LayoutInflater?
Jul 14 05:42:12 <jasta> one of those things where you might say "there's more than one way to do it", but only 1 that makes any god damn sense :)
Jul 14 05:42:17 <jasta> Belacan: docs.
Jul 14 05:42:35 <f2prateek> Belacan: a cusotm list adapter is the best for what you're doing
Jul 14 05:43:06 <f2prateek> its easier to get the information from each row of edittext and then button that way
Jul 14 05:43:53 <jasta> well i mean, maybe.  i don't know enough about what he's doing to say one way or another.
Jul 14 05:44:48 <f2prateek> whats the disdvantage of using addView?
Jul 14 05:44:49 <Belacan> Im trying to add a group of buttons and textviews all within a linearlayout programatically
Jul 14 05:45:19 <Belacan> adding those to an existing linearlayout defined in XML
Jul 14 05:46:04 <f2prateek> LayoutInflater is used when you want to addview from an xml file
Jul 14 05:46:11 <f2prateek> infalte from xml
Jul 14 05:46:14 <f2prateek> *inflate
Jul 14 05:46:52 <f2prateek> addView works when you have a small number of elements in each row
Jul 14 05:46:59 <Belacan> but will that let me change the names of the items within? such as id and sutff?
Jul 14 05:47:26 <f2prateek> addView? yes, just use the index of collevtionitem sa a marker and setId accordingly
Jul 14 05:47:42 <droidbuster> what are causes that an app wont export with an icon
Jul 14 05:48:02 <Belacan> ok thanks im looking into it a bit more ill let you know how it goes
Jul 14 05:49:12 <f2prateek> Belacan: using the custom list adapter handles all that for you, but it does have a steep learning curve
Jul 14 06:05:47 <droidbuster> what are causes that an app wont export with an icon
Jul 14 06:09:30 <b0nn> does anyone know how to change the build target of a project in eclipse? I started a project with android 2.2 but I want to change it so android:onclick will work in xml
Jul 14 06:17:48 <f2prateek> its controlled by the manifest
Jul 14 06:18:05 <f2prateek> in rare case might need to fix the project properties
Jul 14 06:18:21 <droidbuster> what are causes that an app wont export with an icon
Jul 14 06:26:09 <lasserix> Anyone know if there is a way around installing itunes to browse ios apps?
Jul 14 06:26:20 <Belacan> cool
Jul 14 06:26:29 <Belacan> i got the inflater working
Jul 14 06:26:41 <Belacan> but is it possible to name the elements specifically?
Jul 14 06:27:17 <lasserix> You can use setId
Jul 14 06:27:21 <lasserix> to whatever you want
Jul 14 06:27:33 <lasserix> but what do you mean by "name"?
Jul 14 06:27:36 <b0nn> f2prateek: thanks got it :)
Jul 14 06:27:48 <Belacan> yeah thats it i think
Jul 14 06:27:49 <Belacan> cheers
Jul 14 06:33:06 <juned> hii all
Jul 14 06:37:17 <Belacan> hi juned
Jul 14 06:37:21 <Belacan> Ok
Jul 14 06:41:55 <juned> hi Belacan
Jul 14 06:42:14 <juned> i want to configure PPTP VPN profile
Jul 14 06:43:34 <juned> anyone can help me to configure PPTP VPN profile?
Jul 14 06:47:08 <juned> is there anyone who have idea about VPN connections?
Jul 14 06:47:23 <Belacan> Ok, can i use layout inflater to change the text in an element within the layout?
Jul 14 06:48:04 <romainguy_> Belacan: just call setText()?
Jul 14 06:51:26 <Belacan> romainguy_: http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=380581
Jul 14 06:53:25 <JakeWharton> why is setText final in TextView?
Jul 14 06:54:57 <ron_frown> i've wondered the very same thing myself, many times
Jul 14 06:55:40 <jasta> im curious why it wouldn't be?
Jul 14 06:55:49 <jasta> i mean, under what situation would you want to override that?
Jul 14 06:55:55 <ron_frown> custom text views?
Jul 14 06:56:22 <JakeWharton> I can think of at least 4 places in our code and 1 in ABS where it would've been helpful
Jul 14 06:56:27 <ron_frown> I wanted to create a edittext that would just put the cursor at the end of the current text when you select it
Jul 14 06:56:40 <ron_frown> because for some unknown reason, that doesnt happen by default
Jul 14 06:57:37 <jasta> not that i agree with this approach, but of note is that setText(CharSequence, BufferType) is not final
Jul 14 06:58:12 <ron_frown> honestly for extensibility reasons, I dont know why anything in the widget packages
Jul 14 06:58:16 <jasta> but im pretty sure TextView is one of those classes like ListView where the developers really did not expect you would be subclassing it for any reason
Jul 14 06:58:20 <ron_frown> would be final
Jul 14 06:58:49 <romainguy_> ron_frown: because anything we make public/non-final makes backward compatibility a major nightmare when we work on new versions
Jul 14 06:58:50 <jasta> ron_frown: lots of UI toolkits actually design with this pattern you know.  where rather than subclassing the controls you just make them flexible enough externally to be highly customizable.  and most importantly, compoundable.
Jul 14 06:59:01 <JakeWharton> jasta: the constructor calls setText with whatever was specified in XML
Jul 14 06:59:10 <ron_frown> romainguy_ fair enough
Jul 14 06:59:20 <JakeWharton> jasta: single-arg setText
Jul 14 06:59:22 <jasta> JakeWharton: i just looked at TextView, you could happily extend the setText method I mentioned and get the effect you want.
Jul 14 06:59:28 <romainguy_> and to be fair, our widgets are not really designed to be extended
Jul 14 06:59:32 <ron_frown> jasta - I've ran up against it a bunch of times
Jul 14 06:59:34 <romainguy_> (except internally by the frameowkr)
Jul 14 06:59:57 <jasta> ron_frown: odds are you may be solving your problem the "wrong" way anyway.  or at least, you're swimming upstream for sure.
Jul 14 06:59:57 <ron_frown> romainguy_  - any reason why you dont expect people to extend? Just use stock controls?
Jul 14 06:59:58 <romainguy_> as for TextView, our plan is to provide devs with a flexible text framework so you can easily write your own TextView
Jul 14 07:00:10 <romainguy_> the current text package is a mess
Jul 14 07:00:14 <ron_frown> haha
Jul 14 07:00:49 <romainguy_> ron_frown: it was a trade-off at the time between performance and flexibility
Jul 14 07:00:53 <ron_frown> honestly I walked away from the textview a long time ago... but there are some things that just drive me bat shit nuts =)
Jul 14 07:01:05 <romainguy_> one of the most customizable UI toolkits I know, Swing, is also one of the slowest
Jul 14 07:01:30 <romainguy_> it's a joy to work with because you can customize the hell out of it
Jul 14 07:01:39 <romainguy_> but it's a pita to optimize it
Jul 14 07:02:01 <jasta> romainguy_: if i can hijack the conversation, i was recently taking a very careful look at MapView and noticed that, well, this thing is ancient and hasn't been updated in a long time.  It's missing all kinds of features you'd expect would have neatly evolved if anyone was paying attention to it.  What gives?
Jul 14 07:02:02 <romainguy_> believe me, there's not a single day I don't curse at some decisions we made in the past that prevent me from adding sweet, sweet optimizations :))
Jul 14 07:02:08 <ron_frown> its also slow because its supposed to be completely self drawn
Jul 14 07:02:10 <romainguy_> jasta: yeah we know
Jul 14 07:02:18 <JakeWharton> jasta: there are oodles of information on the internet about that same subject
Jul 14 07:02:36 <ron_frown> romainguy_ I wasnt trying to bash
Jul 14 07:02:39 <JakeWharton> the Q/A and I/O was wasted on people asking about map fragment in every damn talk
Jul 14 07:02:42 <JakeWharton> *at
Jul 14 07:02:46 <ron_frown> hah
Jul 14 07:03:00 <romainguy_> summary: we know, thinking & working on it, no ETA
Jul 14 07:03:07 <ron_frown> does map activity even support stuff like the vector tiles etc?
Jul 14 07:03:08 <jasta> i see.
Jul 14 07:03:12 <romainguy_> ron_frown: no
Jul 14 07:03:24 <jasta> romainguy_: the Maps app must have abandoned MapView ages ago, no?
Jul 14 07:03:37 <romainguy_> around 1.x :)
Jul 14 07:03:40 <romainguy_> besides
Jul 14 07:03:56 <JakeWharton> it had to abandon MapView since then it would be tied to platforms rather than a standalone app
Jul 14 07:04:01 <romainguy_> that too
Jul 14 07:04:05 <droidbuster> what are causes that an app wont export with an icon
Jul 14 07:04:06 <romainguy_> just like Chrome
Jul 14 07:04:37 <droidbuster> there are no errors anywhere in the project it just blows
Jul 14 07:04:44 <jasta> hey in other news, i got my vector graphics tiling stuff working really well
Jul 14 07:04:50 <ron_frown> delete gen folder
Jul 14 07:05:02 <ron_frown> mapping?
Jul 14 07:05:50 <jasta> although i still have a "jank" (you guys seriously use that term?) that i'm just not sure is solveable given the VM budget.  basically, i suspect that MapKit is allocating a hell of a lot more tiles than i can get away with ;)
Jul 14 07:05:58 <romainguy_> yeah that's the term we use
Jul 14 07:06:02 <romainguy_> butter, not so much ;-)
Jul 14 07:06:05 <ron_frown> haha I've used janky
Jul 14 07:06:09 <ron_frown> btw romain
Jul 14 07:06:14 <ron_frown> excellent work on that shit
Jul 14 07:06:19 <ron_frown> I am assuming you had part of it
Jul 14 07:06:29 <romainguy_> ron_frown: thanks
Jul 14 07:06:36 <ron_frown> I know iphone has always had a percieved more responsive, more live feel to it
Jul 14 07:06:50 <ron_frown> I feel like jb is now every bit as smooth and fluid
Jul 14 07:07:06 <romainguy_> we still have work to do
Jul 14 07:07:14 <Lieutenant> romainguy
Jul 14 07:07:17 <romainguy_> but now we can clearly see when the problem is in the apps
Jul 14 07:07:18 <Lieutenant> you work at google, right?
Jul 14 07:07:23 <romainguy_> I do
Jul 14 07:07:29 <JakeWharton> the problem is so much in the apps now
Jul 14 07:07:31 <Lieutenant> what happened to ADC?
Jul 14 07:07:43 <JakeWharton> it hasn't been 18 months
Jul 14 07:07:48 <ron_frown> I need to take a crack at optimizing my datagrid stuff
Jul 14 07:07:55 <JakeWharton> ron_frown: and open sourcing
Jul 14 07:07:56 <ron_frown> rewrite for more modern platforms
Jul 14 07:07:56 <JakeWharton> ?
Jul 14 07:07:59 <ron_frown> yessir
Jul 14 07:08:03 <ron_frown> that was the plan form the get go
Jul 14 07:08:04 <ron_frown> =)
Jul 14 07:08:14 <Lieutenant> don't leave me hanging romainguy_ lol
Jul 14 07:08:18 <f2prateek> butter is much better, coz keeping the ui smooth doesnt hijack any activity process like ios!
Jul 14 07:08:18 <romainguy_> ADC?
Jul 14 07:08:25 <Lieutenant> what happened to Android Developers Challenge
Jul 14 07:08:25 <romainguy_> the devs contest?
Jul 14 07:08:27 <Lieutenant> yeahhhh
Jul 14 07:08:30 <JakeWharton> nice, I have about 3 libraries I'm trying to get open sourced in the next month or two
Jul 14 07:08:32 <Lieutenant> it brought some badass ideas
Jul 14 07:08:33 <romainguy_> we don't do it anymore
Jul 14 07:08:37 <Lieutenant> :(
Jul 14 07:08:45 <romainguy_> anyway
Jul 14 07:08:46 <JakeWharton> I still have my half-baked entry for ADC1
Jul 14 07:08:50 <romainguy_> I have tons of cool ideas for optimizations
Jul 14 07:08:55 <romainguy_> but 90% of them would break your apps
Jul 14 07:08:57 <romainguy_> fuck :)
Jul 14 07:09:01 <ron_frown> JakeWharton I'd actually like to get input on it once I get it done
Jul 14 07:09:04 <JakeWharton> and then it went from being a blackberry to an iPhone in the middle of the challenge and i gave up :(
Jul 14 07:09:08 <ron_frown> I've had problems optimizing
Jul 14 07:09:15 <ron_frown> gains here, losses there
Jul 14 07:09:43 <lasserix> Without those optimizations, the bar will never get any higher and most apps will ever be mediocre
Jul 14 07:09:54 <jasta> romainguy_: i actually would like to get your eyes on this tiling thing i built soon.  i'd like to take another crack with systrace to be certain i'm not misunderstanding the issues
Jul 14 07:10:21 <romainguy_> jasta: let me know
Jul 14 07:10:23 <ron_frown> jasta what do you draw the vectors with
Jul 14 07:10:27 <romainguy_> but it's an idea we've been toying with for a while
Jul 14 07:10:31 <jasta> basically, my draw frames can spike high, like up to 60ms, when the tiles cache miss and have to be redrawn.
Jul 14 07:10:40 <romainguy_> Nicolas and I would like to port WebView's tiling engine to the framework
Jul 14 07:10:53 <romainguy_> so I want to make sure I don't read non OSS code, etc.
Jul 14 07:11:05 <ron_frown> haha
Jul 14 07:11:07 <jasta> romainguy_: i would open source it to send it to you :)
Jul 14 07:11:07 <romainguy_> (WebView in JB is so much faster it's awesome)
Jul 14 07:11:16 <jasta> i mean, i wouldn't send you anything not open.
Jul 14 07:11:32 <ron_frown> I'll toss my stuff up to github and solicit feedback =)
Jul 14 07:12:45 <Belacan> does anyone have any ideas: http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=380581
Jul 14 07:13:06 <jasta> romainguy_: btw, i noticed webkit used what appeared to be constant-sized tile bitmaps of 256.  is there some reason it's not base 2 rounded based on device density (such that a galaxy nexus would use 512x512 tiles)?
Jul 14 07:13:08 <f2prateek> view.findViewById
Jul 14 07:13:11 <ron_frown> http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7200/drag12.png
Jul 14 07:13:13 <f2prateek> Belacan
Jul 14 07:13:18 <ron_frown> I need to make that badboy perform better =)
Jul 14 07:13:18 <romainguy_> jasta: not WebKit, WebView
Jul 14 07:13:33 <Belacan> Yeah
Jul 14 07:13:35 <Belacan> i tried that
Jul 14 07:13:38 <Belacan> butt
Jul 14 07:13:42 <ron_frown> and hopefully the dragdrop bugs are fixed in > honeycomb
Jul 14 07:13:48 <romainguy_> jasta: what matters is the resolution, not the density
Jul 14 07:13:57 <romainguy_> jasta: 256x256 is based on 1280x720 display
Jul 14 07:14:03 <romainguy_> and it scales pretty well to lower resolutions
Jul 14 07:14:46 <jasta> interesting, this is in webview?  webkit, you know, has tiling cruft in it.
Jul 14 07:14:54 <jasta> and there are recent-ish commits on that stuff too.  i looked.
Jul 14 07:15:14 <romainguy_> I believe the Chrome guys have been working on upstreaming their own tiling stuff for a while
Jul 14 07:15:20 <romainguy_> but it's not what we're using
Jul 14 07:15:27 <romainguy_> the tiling is entirely on our side
Jul 14 07:15:32 <jasta> really...
Jul 14 07:16:42 <jasta> well now i've got a ton of new crap i've gotta look at ;)
Jul 14 07:16:44 <b0nn> How do I get a handle on audio output (I have created a mediaplayer object and I want to create a visualisation based on the stream's signal)
Jul 14 07:18:32 <romainguy_> jasta: and tiling just got faster in our internal branch ;-)
Jul 14 07:18:39 <jasta> don't tell me that.
Jul 14 07:18:40 <jasta> :)
Jul 14 07:19:21 <jasta> if i may boast, while my tiling strategy has some jank (that is just an awful term, im not sure i can get used to it) it is only 500 lines.
Jul 14 07:19:27 <ron_frown> romain in my control i posted screenshot, I basically derived from a listview and horizontal scrollview... each cell is a control, each row uses convertviews
Jul 14 07:19:32 <Zooklubba> Anyone having some troubles with their chromebox from IO?
Jul 14 07:19:41 <ron_frown> recommendations on how I should change that to improve memory usage and performance?
Jul 14 07:19:45 <romainguy_> jasta: and we have yet to multi-thread the tiles generation, so it can get even faster :p
Jul 14 07:19:50 <jasta> basically just allocates a pool of bitmaps, tosses them into an LruCache, and re-uses old ones.
Jul 14 07:19:57 <jasta> oh god, i played with multithreading this...
Jul 14 07:20:01 <jasta> what a disaster that turns into fast
Jul 14 07:20:04 <Zooklubba> My display gets a signal but it only display a black screen :(
Jul 14 07:20:13 <romainguy_> yeah multi-threading is not always easy :)
Jul 14 07:20:29 <jasta> it's just grossly overcomplicated compared to the single threaded model
Jul 14 07:20:39 <jasta> basically, i chose to stutter rather than deal with that cruft
Jul 14 07:20:44 <jasta> for now, anyway
Jul 14 07:20:47 <romainguy_> jasta: but on quad-core devices it can do wonders :p
Jul 14 07:20:53 <ron_frown> say that reminds me
Jul 14 07:21:07 <ron_frown> is android core really able to utilize multiple cores?
Jul 14 07:21:11 <romainguy_> ron_frown: hard to say without looking at your app through the looking glass of our tools
Jul 14 07:21:13 <romainguy_> ron_frown: of course
Jul 14 07:21:14 <ron_frown> is a quad core device really going to benefit me
Jul 14 07:21:20 <ron_frown> romainguy_
Jul 14 07:21:20 <romainguy_> that stupid rumor needs to die
Jul 14 07:21:22 <JakeWharton> our (crappy) image downloading framework gives us callbacks on the main thread when an image is available. I'm trying to update an widget's adapter that backs a StackView and it's flashing about 10 times since the images callbacks all come at different times. Is there a way for me to update without having to recreate the entire widget?
Jul 14 07:21:31 <ron_frown> alright I'll get it loaded up to github
Jul 14 07:21:43 <JakeWharton> I only want to update the View inside the StackView's adapter with the new image
Jul 14 07:21:44 <jasta> romainguy_: wait, you're already currently doing it on a separate thread?  hell, i'm drawing my tiles on the main thread.
Jul 14 07:21:45 <romainguy_> get a Nexus 7, run a bunch of apps doing a bunch of work, start systrace and watch the 4 cores get busy
Jul 14 07:22:08 <ron_frown> when the image gets there invalidate the image?
Jul 14 07:22:14 <ron_frown> imageview
Jul 14 07:22:18 <romainguy_> JakeWharton: if the image is on screen, grab a reference to the view directly
Jul 14 07:22:28 <JakeWharton> it's a remoteView :(
Jul 14 07:22:36 <romainguy_> jasta: generating the tiles happens on a background thread, drawing with the tiles happens on the UI thread
Jul 14 07:22:43 <romainguy_> JakeWharton: then no :(
Jul 14 07:22:58 <ron_frown> remote views are one of the few areas of android I never botherd with
Jul 14 07:23:05 <jasta> romainguy_: i should have assumed.  like i said, i went down that path, but quickly returned to drawing the tiles on the main thread.
Jul 14 07:23:12 <JakeWharton> they suck, but the widget is so damn gorgeous
Jul 14 07:23:34 <JakeWharton> I need synchronous image fetching since you can take your sweet time on updating widgets.
Jul 14 07:23:46 <jasta> romainguy_: how do you avoid the user seeing a not-yet-ready tile?  i thought about getting fancy and preemptively drawing soon-to-be-on-screen tiles on a background thread, but then still blocking the main thread if the tile was to become visible
Jul 14 07:24:01 <jasta> basically, favoring stutter over revealing a not-yet-drawn tile.
Jul 14 07:24:10 <jasta> i didn't do that yet tho, still just doing all my drawing on the main thread.
Jul 14 07:24:56 <romainguy_> jasta: you don't
Jul 14 07:25:02 <romainguy_> jasta: WebView might show you a tile that's not ready
Jul 14 07:25:14 <ron_frown> Iv'e seen mapview render dummy tiles
Jul 14 07:25:16 <jasta> ...seriously?  i don't believe i've encountered that artifact
Jul 14 07:25:39 <romainguy_> because the WebView guys worked hard on generating tiles fast enough :p
Jul 14 07:25:43 <romainguy_> they also use an interesting trick
Jul 14 07:25:49 <romainguy_> they never show "empty" or a checkerboard
Jul 14 07:25:50 <jasta> i can see it on zooming out, actually
Jul 14 07:25:55 <romainguy_> they figure out the background of the page
Jul 14 07:25:59 <jasta> now that i look more closely
Jul 14 07:26:03 <jasta> but never on fling, which is what i was looking for
Jul 14 07:26:06 <romainguy_> and paint the window background with the page's background
Jul 14 07:26:09 <jasta> fling is the case in my implementation that just fails hard.
Jul 14 07:26:26 <romainguy_> they also have smart scheduling
Jul 14 07:26:36 <romainguy_> when you fling they prioritize tiles differently I believe
Jul 14 07:26:57 <jasta> well i have some reading to do
Jul 14 07:27:09 <jasta> where is this code btw?  all i keep finding is the stuff in webkit.
Jul 14 07:27:27 <romainguy_> it's in external/webkit
Jul 14 07:27:34 <romainguy_> but it's not part of webkit
Jul 14 07:27:55 <jasta> oh, is it in Source/WebKit/android/?  i had not noticed this before.
Jul 14 07:27:57 <romainguy_> yep
Jul 14 07:29:10 <romainguy_> most of it is propbably in the jni/ subdirectory
Jul 14 07:29:13 <jasta> oh wiat, what am i saying, this is exactly what i was reading that told me about the 256 size.
Jul 14 07:30:20 <f2prateek> for a fragment without a layout, is it neccessary to override onCreateView and return null, or can I skip the onCreateView completely?
Jul 14 07:30:44 <JakeWharton> you don't need to override
Jul 14 07:30:49 <JakeWharton> the base fragment returns null
Jul 14 07:30:56 <f2prateek> thanks
Jul 14 07:31:26 <f2prateek> oh! just found it in the apidemos as well
Jul 14 07:32:40 <jasta> yikes, most of this stuff i do not want to touch.  i'd rather just add multi-core support and rendering in a background thread and just be done with it :)
Jul 14 07:32:45 <JakeWharton> you're an inspiration. someone that actually reads the documentation and demos
Jul 14 07:32:50 <JakeWharton> keep up the good work
Jul 14 07:33:10 <jasta> oh and do prefetching.  clearly, they are as well.
Jul 14 07:33:16 <jasta> thats probably how they're making fling work so nicely
Jul 14 07:34:32 <f2prateek> haha
Jul 14 07:35:54 <jasta> romainguy_: when does a Bitmap actually get uploaded as a GL texture in the new rendering pipeline btw?  if i update bitmaps in a background thread, will i still pay the price for texture upload in the main thread on first draw?
Jul 14 07:36:07 <romainguy_> jasta: yes you will
Jul 14 07:36:22 <romainguy_> texture uploads are usually pretty fast
Jul 14 07:36:38 <jasta> unless you've got quite a few of them and they're 256x256? :)
Jul 14 07:36:44 <romainguy_> nope even then
Jul 14 07:36:58 <jasta> hmm, ok.
Jul 14 07:37:17 <romainguy_> actually WebView on ICS doesn't even use glTexImage to upload
Jul 14 07:37:24 <romainguy_> it does a CPU copy line by line
Jul 14 07:38:50 <jasta> there's this innocent looking comment in GLWebViewState.h that reads "updating GL textures in the main GL thread would slow things down"
Jul 14 07:38:53 <jasta> got me wondering ;)
Jul 14 07:43:43 <jasta> kudos to the guy that wrote this documentation tho :)
Jul 14 07:46:06 <romainguy_> yeah
Jul 14 07:46:08 <romainguy_> that's Nicolas
Jul 14 07:46:17 <romainguy_> he gave a talk at I/O about how our WebView works
Jul 14 07:46:29 <jasta> this is almost identical to the basic approach i've taken, i just didn't go quite as far.  that's encouraging.
Jul 14 07:47:30 <Belacan>  is it possible for an object to create its own buttons and views using layout inflater when a new instance of that object is created?
Jul 14 07:47:50 <romainguy_> Belacan: yes, just use an inflater
Jul 14 07:48:10 <ron_frown> or programatically instantiate controls if there is no specific layout
Jul 14 07:50:35 <romainguy_> jasta: funny, Nicolas' comment remind me of the one I put in https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/libs/hwui/OpenGLRenderer.cpp at line 461
Jul 14 07:50:45 <romainguy_> "warning, this shit is complicated, here is why"
Jul 14 07:51:23 <jasta> i do this same thing all the time.  actually, i write this type of stuff sometimes _before_ i even code it up
Jul 14 07:51:40 <jasta> just to search for gotchas and kind of therapeutically go over the design i want to try
Jul 14 07:53:55 <fitzpantson> so if I register OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener in my onCreate
Jul 14 07:54:09 <fitzpantson> and I unregister OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener in onPause
Jul 14 07:54:20 <fitzpantson> then doesn't that effectively negate the whole thing?
Jul 14 07:54:29 <fitzpantson> I mean, it pauses, unregisters, and opens preferences
Jul 14 07:54:36 <fitzpantson> so it never sees the preferences change
Jul 14 07:55:04 <jasta> romainguy_: i'm gonna have to step away from the computer lest i start trying out these enhancements at 1am :)
Jul 14 07:55:20 <jasta> besides, my current task at work is actually documentation.  last thing i need is to be distracted by more fun optimizations
Jul 14 07:56:53 <romainguy_> :))
Jul 14 08:10:29 <Belacan> Ok guys i think i have found my solution is anyone curious as to how?
Jul 14 08:11:54 <f2prateek> i am, more curious as to what exactly was the goal, coz i wasnt sure if i got it correctly
Jul 14 08:12:39 <Belacan> ok
Jul 14 08:13:58 <Belacan> So my goal was to have a class create its own layout when it was instantiated using the layout inflater, the object would also create its own onlcicklistener for elements inside its layout
Jul 14 08:14:13 <Belacan> such as buttons
Jul 14 08:15:14 <Belacan> is that comprehensible? haha
Jul 14 08:16:03 <f2prateek> a little bit
Jul 14 08:16:18 <f2prateek> but why woudl a class have its own layout
Jul 14 08:16:23 <Belacan> I have a question though, why is it that you always have to redfine your view, such as:     view = LayoutInflater.from(getBaseContext()).inflate(R.layout.myLayout,null);     before calling the myParent.addview(view);
Jul 14 08:16:49 <Belacan> if you simply do it once and then call addview several times then it gives you an error
Jul 14 08:17:05 <f2prateek> coz once you return
Jul 14 08:17:09 <f2prateek> th eisntance is lost
Jul 14 08:17:14 <f2prateek> *the instance
Jul 14 08:17:44 <f2prateek> so everytime you execute the method, you need a new instance of the view
Jul 14 08:18:29 <dark3n> When my app gets killed by system and afterwards recreated on starting it again, the fragments get recreated before the initialization process in my asynctask is finished, any ideas how to solve this?
Jul 14 08:19:07 <Belacan> I see
Jul 14 08:19:15 <Belacan> Thats interesting
Jul 14 08:19:16 <Belacan> thanks
Jul 14 08:22:06 <f2prateek> dark3n: do the initalization on postExecute?
Jul 14 08:23:59 <Belacan> Ok, ive got another question. why is it that LayoutInflater.from(getBaseContext()).inflate(R.layout.pvalve, null); needs to be called in the main activity, and cant be run from the constructor of a separate object?
Jul 14 08:24:22 <f2prateek> whats the error that you get?
Jul 14 08:24:47 <Belacan> the null pointer exeption
Jul 14 08:25:54 <Belacan> It must be something to do with the R.layout.pvalve
Jul 14 08:26:03 <f2prateek> i think because its for the getBaseCOntext()
Jul 14 08:26:04 <Belacan> perhaps because the activity is not active?
Jul 14 08:26:11 <f2prateek> it only works if the class is a activity
Jul 14 08:26:18 <Belacan> right
Jul 14 08:26:33 <Belacan> well i made my class extend activity
Jul 14 08:27:06 <dark3n> f2prateek, seems to make no difference, the problem is i think, i start the ansync task in my FragmentActivity onCreate, but as soon as the async task is started, the activity goes on with its lifecycle , exits the onCreate, and restores the previous fragments. one option would be to tell it to not try to restore previous tabs when the app has been killed in background, but i don't know how
Jul 14 08:28:59 <f2prateek> dark3n: easy way, use a splash activity for asynctask, onPostExecute startan intent with the bundled data, so fragmetns always laod after completion
Jul 14 08:29:07 <f2prateek> i'm sure thaeres a more elegant way to do this though
Jul 14 08:29:33 <dark3n> f2prateek, the async task creates complex objects all fragments use, its not easy to bundle them
Jul 14 08:29:34 <f2prateek> i ahve no practical experience with async task
Jul 14 08:29:57 <dark3n> i am not fixed on an async task, i just don't want an ANR on my app start up
Jul 14 08:30:41 <dark3n> i could call Threap.sleep until async task is done but thats dirty
Jul 14 08:34:24 <dark3n> f2prateek, how would you do init stuff on app startup?
Jul 14 08:35:23 <f2prateek> splash activity if its long
Jul 14 08:35:26 <f2prateek> if its short
Jul 14 08:35:42 <f2prateek> show progress dialog with sleeping thread
Jul 14 08:36:23 <f2prateek> but somebody more experienced might have a better answer, i've only worked with one app that needed to do that
Jul 14 08:37:19 <dark3n> i'm not sure where i told it to try to restore the fragments
Jul 14 08:37:40 <f2prateek> onResume probably
Jul 14 08:38:26 <dark3n> nah the app got really purged from mem
Jul 14 08:38:43 <dark3n> its almost like a new launch, just that it somehow restores the previous fragments
Jul 14 08:50:55 <Belacan> Ok its on the tips of my fingers now
Jul 14 08:51:48 <dark3n> then wash em
Jul 14 08:55:00 <Belacan> ahahaha
Jul 14 08:55:02 <Belacan> good un
Jul 14 08:56:48 <Belacan> @romainguy: why is it that you cant call   myView = LayoutInflater.from(getBaseContext()).inflate(R.layout.myLayout, null);    from within the constructor of an object, you need to call it from the main activity
Jul 14 09:01:34 <romainguy_> Belacan: you can call it from a constructor
Jul 14 09:01:42 <romainguy_> the problem is probably getBaseContext()
Jul 14 09:01:51 <romainguy_> just use the context of the View
Jul 14 09:15:42 <JakeWharton> boom, fixed my widget
Jul 14 09:15:49 <JakeWharton> got Beam in too
Jul 14 09:15:59 <JakeWharton> Jelly Bean notifications
Jul 14 09:27:11 <Belacan> hmmmm
Jul 14 09:27:15 <Belacan> I tried this view1 = LayoutInflater.from(this).inflate(R.layout.pvalve, null);
Jul 14 09:27:24 <Belacan> but thats not the 'right' context
Jul 14 09:27:25 <romainguy_> what is "this"?
Jul 14 09:27:37 <romainguy_> Views always receive a Context object in their constructor
Jul 14 09:27:40 <romainguy_> use that context
Jul 14 09:33:19 <Belacan> and how do we know which context object is the correct one? when i created my view i didn't include any context arguments in a constructor i just declared it like this: public view view1;
Jul 14 09:34:02 <romainguy_> where are you writing this code?
Jul 14 09:34:25 <Belacan> inside a class's constructor
Jul 14 09:34:36 <romainguy_> and what is that class?
Jul 14 09:35:47 <Belacan> an activity i suppose
Jul 14 09:36:19 <Belacan> well no
Jul 14 09:36:25 <Belacan> iits not an activity anymore
Jul 14 09:36:33 <Belacan> Its just a nothing
Jul 14 09:36:48 <romainguy_> then you need to give it a Context as a parameter
Jul 14 09:36:55 <romainguy_> Views always need a context to be created
Jul 14 09:36:58 <romainguy_> from XML or not
Jul 14 09:37:44 <Belacan> when i put the same code in my main activity i dont need to supply a context
Jul 14 09:38:05 <romainguy_> because an Activity is a context
Jul 14 09:49:15 <JakeWharton> can you force a widget to an aspect ratio?
Jul 14 09:49:47 <romainguy_> app widget?
Jul 14 09:49:59 <JakeWharton> yes
Jul 14 09:50:04 <romainguy_> not that I know of
Jul 14 09:51:26 <JakeWharton> Despite the mediocre communication mechanisms I'm finding widgets to be quite delightful
Jul 14 09:52:00 <romainguy_> it's all based on the idea that a widget should not need a process running in the background to be useful
Jul 14 09:52:42 <dark3n> the system cleares my app from memory, and when i open it again, it restores fragments, even though i didn't tell it too, and before "onRestart" is called..
Jul 14 09:53:48 <JakeWharton> FragmentManager stores and restores its state in the Bundle and non-configuration instance automatically
Jul 14 09:54:06 <JakeWharton> you should only initialize your fragments from scratch if savedInstanceState == null
Jul 14 09:54:54 <dark3n> JakeWharton, the problem is i init a complex object in the FragmentActivity, which my fragments use, but i do this in an async task, which doesn't stop the fragments from being restored, before the init is done
Jul 14 09:56:06 <dark3n> normale the fragments are created and added in the postexecute of the async task
Jul 14 09:57:41 <JakeWharton> in onCreate you can query the fragment manager for the fragments and hide them if they really must not be seen. A likely better pattern is to simply notify the fragments that the object is ready for use in onPostExecute and allow them to be attached at any time.
Jul 14 09:58:45 <dark3n> hm
Jul 14 09:59:33 <dark3n> don't i need both? check if savedInstance != null, if so, detach fragments(!= hide fragments?), and in postexecute attach (!= show ?) the fragments
Jul 14 10:01:56 <Belacan> hmm
Jul 14 10:02:24 <Belacan> i tried this
Jul 14 10:02:25 <Belacan> MainActivity.view = LayoutInflater.from(getApplicationContext()).inflate(R.layout.pvalve, null);
Jul 14 10:02:29 <Belacan> that doesnt work either
Jul 14 10:02:53 <Belacan> ive been reading a bit about the concept of contexts and im sorry to admit i dont really understand it
Jul 14 10:03:23 <Belacan> From what i read a context is something that gives things perspective
Jul 14 10:03:41 <Belacan> about its environment
Jul 14 10:06:18 <Timmaah1201> hey guys, was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction. I'm looking at adding a little options tab on the bottom right of my app (the three vertical dots), which will allow the user to change the theme of the app and open a site in a browser. I imagine fairly simple stuff.. was just wondering what the api for the three little dots is usually called
Jul 14 10:07:58 <dark3n> Timmaah1201, actionbar?
Jul 14 10:08:38 <Timmaah1201> thats at the top though.. and the three little dots are usually bottom right in apps arent they?
Jul 14 10:09:01 <JakeWharton> only if you target < API 11
Jul 14 10:09:37 <Timmaah1201> ok.. im targetting api 11 and above.. so its ok to put that in the action bar?
Jul 14 10:09:40 <JakeWharton> those three little dots are usually a litmus teset for how good an api is
Jul 14 10:09:41 <Timmaah1201> guess can juts use a drop down spinner?
Jul 14 10:09:44 <JakeWharton> *app
Jul 14 10:09:58 <JakeWharton> dropdown spinner or action item + submenu
Jul 14 10:10:02 <dark3n> JakeWharton, do you have a snippet for the pattern you talked about? also i think my problem might be caused by a viewpager
Jul 14 10:10:26 <Timmaah1201> thanks for the help JakeWharton
Jul 14 10:10:46 <JakeWharton> dark3n: no, sorry
Jul 14 10:11:04 <JakeWharton> i kind of just picked it up from using fragments as a personal pattern/best practice
Jul 14 10:11:23 <dark3n> did you mean getBackStackEntryCount?
Jul 14 10:11:24 <JakeWharton> i'm sure it's mentioned somewhere in the docs or samples but I have no clue where
Jul 14 10:11:33 <JakeWharton> no
Jul 14 10:11:46 <dark3n> how do i get the "to be restored" fragments ?
Jul 14 10:11:56 <dark3n> to hide them
Jul 14 10:12:09 <JakeWharton> findFragmentByTag()
Jul 14 10:12:18 <dark3n> how do i get the tag? :D
Jul 14 10:12:39 <JakeWharton> you assign it when you add the fragment
Jul 14 10:12:58 <JakeWharton> .add(R.id.whatever, coolFragment, TAG_COOL_FRAGMENT) in your transaction
Jul 14 10:13:07 <JakeWharton> then findFragmentByTag(TAG_COOL_FRAGMENT) to get it back
Jul 14 10:13:38 <belgianguy> hi, I'm using a custom rom and an application (Google Search :/) keeps on FC'ing on me
Jul 14 10:14:10 <belgianguy> I have a logcat of a session where such a crash happens, but I'm not too proficient on where to look for a solution
Jul 14 10:16:08 <dark3n> belgianguy, either custom rom dev or app dev
Jul 14 10:17:00 <belgianguy> well I'm fairly certain it's the ROM dev as Google Search is made by Google :)
Jul 14 10:17:08 <belgianguy> and both the app as the search bar crash
Jul 14 10:17:21 <belgianguy> problem is I've been trying to reach out to them on XDA
Jul 14 10:17:32 <belgianguy> but they don't seem to notice
Jul 14 10:17:54 <dark3n> #xda-devs
Jul 14 10:19:11 <belgianguy> dark3n: I've been there before, but I'll try again then
Jul 14 10:19:30 <dark3n> then either wait or switch rom
Jul 14 10:20:08 <dark3n> JakeWharton, whole buisness with actionbar+viewpager is making it difficult for me, i can't find the place where i would add the tag, maybe im sitting too long at this
Jul 14 10:21:40 <belgianguy> dark3n: I was thinking of tackling it myself
Jul 14 10:24:36 <Belacan> Ok heres my latest attempt   view = getLayoutInflater().inflate(R.layout.pvalve, parent,false);
Jul 14 10:24:45 <Belacan> that didnt work either
Jul 14 10:25:05 <dark3n> Belacan, what are you trying to do ?
Jul 14 10:25:23 <Belacan> Get the layout inflater to work in the constructor of an object
Jul 14 10:25:29 <Belacan> I got it working within the main activity
Jul 14 10:25:41 <Belacan> but as soon as i move it to the constructor of an object, kapeesh
Jul 14 10:25:49 <dark3n> whats the function you use in your main
Jul 14 10:26:37 <lasserix> Belacan, is the object extending view or viewgroup?
Jul 14 10:26:44 <Belacan> Its in onCreate
Jul 14 10:26:53 <Belacan> no
Jul 14 10:26:56 <Belacan> should it be?
Jul 14 10:27:04 <lasserix> Depends on what you are doing with it
Jul 14 10:27:28 <lasserix> Is this object a data structure about the valves, or a compound view ?
Jul 14 10:27:32 <lasserix> *related to a valve
Jul 14 10:27:50 <caseofinsani> how would you make an activty restart itself in 10 seconds?
Jul 14 10:27:58 <Belacan> well this object is a data structure i suppose
Jul 14 10:27:59 <lasserix> caseofinsani runnable
Jul 14 10:28:11 <Belacan> it tells the program how do handle clicking and controlling of the valves
Jul 14 10:28:20 <Belacan> but i also want it to create its own layout
Jul 14 10:28:26 <lasserix> you want a viewgroup
Jul 14 10:28:47 <Belacan> When i do that i can no longer have a constructor though
Jul 14 10:28:57 <lasserix> you have to have a constructor for a view group
Jul 14 10:29:03 <lasserix> in fact, you have three to choose from
Jul 14 10:29:37 <Belacan> Let me paste some code in
Jul 14 10:30:38 <lasserix> You are creating these valve objects programmatically right?
Jul 14 10:31:14 <caseofinsani> lasserix: can u briefly describe how to use runnable to close & restart an activity after 10s
Jul 14 10:31:18 <caseofinsani> thx in advance
Jul 14 10:32:24 <lasserix> just a guess, but make a handler in the activity, make a runnable that finishes the activity, use the handlers postdelayed method in oncreate
Jul 14 10:35:48 <dark3n> JakeWharton, viewpager doesn't seem to support setting tags
Jul 14 10:37:29 <Belacan> ok here you go lasserix
Jul 14 10:37:31 <Belacan> http://pastebin.com/ncB0UnbH
Jul 14 10:37:42 <Belacan> To demonstrate a working one and a not so working one
Jul 14 10:38:09 <Belacan> All i tried to do was move the view assignment to inside the constructor of my object
Jul 14 10:38:27 <Belacan> that way i dont need to type it out every time i create the object, it'll all be handled by the class
Jul 14 10:38:40 <lasserix> its a failure to understand how to use views and viewgroups as objects in object orientated design
Jul 14 10:38:54 <lasserix> to be honest i'm only beginning to understand it myself
Jul 14 10:38:57 <lasserix> one second
Jul 14 10:40:02 <Belacan> That is without a shadow of a doubt the problem
Jul 14 10:40:06 <Belacan> my failure to understand
Jul 14 10:40:16 <Belacan> Ive been trying to hack at it
Jul 14 10:40:18 <Belacan> usually that works
Jul 14 10:40:26 <Belacan> but this one is particularly stubborn
Jul 14 10:40:30 <lasserix> I say that, only because a few months ago I asked a question of literally the same nature
Jul 14 10:42:04 <Belacan> so to summarise i suppose my problem is that  view = LayoutInflater.from(getBaseContext()).inflate(R.layout.pvalve, null);  cant be moved to outside the activity
Jul 14 10:42:45 <TheTrash> What is the error?
Jul 14 10:42:50 <Belacan> null pointer
Jul 14 10:42:53 <Belacan> exception
Jul 14 10:43:05 <lasserix> You should really wrap the object as a view/viewgroup
Jul 14 10:43:17 <lasserix> I'm pasting it up in a sec
Jul 14 10:43:19 <TheTrash> What line, stack trace?
Jul 14 10:43:56 <TheTrash> Hm your parent is static, don't do that :)
Jul 14 10:44:41 <Belacan> when i do that i can no longer access my parent from outside the activity
Jul 14 10:44:55 <Belacan> It needs to be static so my PValve object can access it.
Jul 14 10:44:55 <TheTrash> :o
Jul 14 10:45:19 <TheTrash> It can't be static because it can't be shared by multiple instances of your activity.
Jul 14 10:45:43 <TheTrash> It's also not true :)
Jul 14 10:45:47 <Belacan> my activity is the main activity
Jul 14 10:45:53 <Belacan> so theres only one instance of it
Jul 14 10:45:57 <TheTrash> Wait, PValve isn't actually in your activity class?
Jul 14 10:46:05 <Belacan> no
Jul 14 10:46:09 <TheTrash> Oh
Jul 14 10:46:11 <Belacan> its a new object
Jul 14 10:46:18 <Belacan> class*
Jul 14 10:47:20 <TheTrash> Well, shortest way is to pass parent into PValve's constructor. Or just a context (i.e. the activity instance, i.e. "this" from onCreate()) and do the findViewByIds entirely in PValve.
Jul 14 10:48:26 <TheTrash> Actually you'd need to pass an Activity class, not just a Context.
Jul 14 10:49:23 <TheTrash> PValve(Activity activity){   View parent = (ViewGroup) activity.findViewById(R.id.vertical_container); ...}  etc etc
Jul 14 10:50:23 <caseofinsani> how do you close an activity then restart it in 10 seconds?
Jul 14 10:52:20 <lasserix> Belacan: here http://pastebin.com/rvnZnRDx
Jul 14 10:53:11 <Gumboot> So... with all this reputation of working 80-hour weeks and stuff, I should be able to find all the core Android devs at work today, right?
Jul 14 10:53:12 <lasserix> mValveWidget is going to be the compound view representing the object of that valve
Jul 14 10:53:21 <Gumboot> (through my professional persona, naturally)
Jul 14 10:53:42 <TheTrash> caseofinsani: make a timertask with startActivity and finish(), I guess.
Jul 14 10:53:58 <TheTrash> caseofinsani: but rather than doing that, just refresh your activity's data, perhaps?
Jul 14 10:54:04 <lasserix> you can instantiate as many as you want in your activity, adding them with addView and manipulating them like you would any other object, as shown with A.mButton.setText
Jul 14 10:54:51 <lasserix> for simplicity I didn't add any layout params or anything, which you can
Jul 14 10:55:33 <lasserix> oh in the mValveWidget constructor you would also setOnClickListeners and all that jazz
Jul 14 10:57:20 <lasserix> Gumboot you missed them by an hour
Jul 14 10:58:22 <Belacan> Processing....
Jul 14 11:00:09 <Belacan> Shit i gtg right now shit shit
Jul 14 11:00:15 <Belacan> ill save the chat and get back to it
Jul 14 11:00:20 <Belacan> ill let you know how it went too
Jul 14 11:00:20 <lasserix> np
Jul 14 11:00:24 <Belacan> thanks so much for you help!!!
Jul 14 11:00:27 <lasserix> one last thing
Jul 14 11:00:32 <lasserix> you don't have to inflate it
Jul 14 11:00:43 <lasserix> you can add all those basic widgets programmatically in the contrustor
Jul 14 11:01:01 <lasserix> goodluck
Jul 14 11:01:08 <Belacan> got it. thanks again.
Jul 14 11:04:39 <Gumboot> lasserix: Who'd I miss?
Jul 14 11:05:07 <Stormsys> Hi Guys, i an trying to set a touch listener on a "RelativeLayout", i can set it but i only ever get back "ACTION_DOWN" which isn't really usefull. any suggestions?
Jul 14 11:06:09 <Timmaah1201> Im trying to change a theme programatically, I have a setTheme() function in onCreate() before I setContentView(), and the app is going into the setTheme() function fine.. but not actually changing the theme.. code I've got is:          getApplication().setTheme(android.R.style.Theme_Holo); and Theme_Holo_Light  any ideas? :/
Jul 14 11:06:40 <Gumboot> Oh.  romainguy_.  He'd be ideal.
Jul 14 11:07:08 <deam> is it possible to build a specific android program only? I would like to compile external/srec
Jul 14 11:08:08 <Timmaah1201> nvm, figured it out! was the getApplication() bit which was making it not work
Jul 14 11:08:27 <lasserix> Stormsys you have to change the return value
Jul 14 11:08:39 <lasserix> switch the boolean
Jul 14 11:09:16 <Stormsys> lasserix, you mean if i want to see ACTION_UP i need to return true on ACTION_DOWN ?
Jul 14 11:10:09 <Stormsys> oh, that worked thanks :) does it distinguish "drags" from "ups" automatically?
Jul 14 11:10:17 <lasserix> yeah
Jul 14 11:10:22 <lasserix> drag is action_move
Jul 14 11:17:18 <caseofinsani> im trying to make an alarm popup with remind later option. anyone know a best way to go about dismissing an activity and reopening it later?
Jul 14 11:19:15 <lasserix> case that's what services are for
Jul 14 11:19:30 <GeeksOnHugs> so is the nexus 7 available?  I was seeing some confusing headlines yesterday
Jul 14 11:19:52 <caseofinsani> lasserix: so make the current activity start a service then let the service start a new activity?
Jul 14 11:20:01 <lasserix> i think thats the idea
Jul 14 11:23:12 <jinjonBoo> hey guys..!
Jul 14 11:23:32 <Timmaah1201> is there an easy way to dynamically change a menu items icon?
Jul 14 11:23:56 <jinjonBoo> i know this isn't the best place for my problem, but i didn't find anywhere else to go to
Jul 14 11:24:09 <jinjonBoo> can you guys take a look here? androidforums.com/android-applications/582692-whatsapp-deactivation.html
Jul 14 11:40:36 <Stormsys> Whats the best/recomended way to switch views inside a tab?
Jul 14 11:47:57 <Udmurt> Hi! I want to fork android alarm clock app. What should I change in my fork? Package name I think, but what else?
Jul 14 11:48:28 <Snuffel> i don't think that's what 'fork' means
Jul 14 11:49:13 <Udmurt> I want to extend some features. Not simple rename
Jul 14 11:49:33 <Snuffel> so you want to extend
Jul 14 11:49:42 <p_l|backup> Udmurt: try using wayback machine to access old "porting AOSP guide"
Jul 14 11:49:53 <p_l|backup> Udmurt: there was a part about modifying system apps etc.
Jul 14 11:50:36 <p_l|backup> you can also try just cloning the repo of the clock app, and rename package name
Jul 14 11:50:41 <p_l|backup> then start hacking
Jul 14 11:51:55 <Udmurt> I've already clone it, and have some legal questions. Not about coding.
Jul 14 11:53:00 <Udmurt> I think rename of package is enough but not shure.
Jul 14 11:55:09 <p_l|backup> Udmurt: for legal questions, make sure you remove any Google branding, and read up about Apache License (Chef project has good outline)
Jul 14 11:56:28 <Udmurt> p_l|backup: thank you!
Jul 14 12:35:23 <pikaro> hi! trying to run an emulator with gpu support, but i get libOpenglRender.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. it is there, however, in tools/lib. I even tried putting the .so files into tools/ and /usr/lib/android-sdk and running ldconfig. why can't it find the file?
Jul 14 12:40:12 <pikaro> nvm, got it to find the file, but then the emulator won't start -.- guess it's software mode only for me.
Jul 14 12:49:58 <elegos> How can I start a service only if it's not running already?
Jul 14 13:32:00 <Sicp> this XML file : https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/SC20120714-163028.png is producing this layout: http://pastebin.com/7QhSCwx2
Jul 14 13:32:19 <Sicp> the Execute button won't go on par with the Favorites button..any help please?
Jul 14 13:33:00 <Sicp> the links are switched, sorry. I posted the screenshot first and then the XML file
Jul 14 13:37:35 <tors> Sicp: try to change the outer linearlayout to horizontal and remove the two inner linearlayouts
Jul 14 13:38:49 <GeeksOnHugs> samosa!
Jul 14 13:38:57 <GeeksOnHugs> *hugs* :D
Jul 14 13:39:12 <GeeksOnHugs> :'(
Jul 14 13:39:28 <Sicp> nope, tors
Jul 14 13:39:29 <Sicp> same
Jul 14 13:41:55 <tors> Sicp: what does "go on par" mean?
Jul 14 13:42:05 <Sicp> look at the screenshot
Jul 14 13:42:11 <Sicp> I want them to be on the same line
Jul 14 13:42:14 <tors> they are on different heights
Jul 14 13:42:22 <Sicp> sorry for the overly blown grammar, lol
Jul 14 13:42:51 <tors> aha, yes. you have them in two different horizontal layouts.
Jul 14 13:43:02 <Sicp> hmm
Jul 14 13:44:06 <Sicp> like I already do
Jul 14 13:44:25 <Sicp> well I have 1 layout and inside it there are two
Jul 14 13:44:28 <Sicp> ok wait
Jul 14 13:48:42 <Sicp> it's back to doing what you saw in the screenshot
Jul 14 13:49:05 <tors> but you should instead put them in the same horizontal layout.
Jul 14 13:49:14 <Sicp> would it be alright if I ask you to show me what you mean?
Jul 14 13:49:24 <Sicp> this is how it has become, http://pastebin.com/1J4imbJz
Jul 14 13:50:31 <tors> Sicp: the second button is in its own layout, put it in the same horizontal layout.
Jul 14 13:53:25 <Sicp> same
Jul 14 13:53:29 <Sicp> :\
Jul 14 13:53:30 <Sicp> wtf
Jul 14 13:53:39 <tors> <linear horiz> <button/> <button/> </linear>
Jul 14 13:53:44 <Sicp> that's what I have
Jul 14 13:58:30 <Sicp> come on tors! you can do it!
Jul 14 14:02:38 <tors> Sicp: haha, I don't think I will be able to help. but if you pastebin the result I can say if it is as I would think it should be.
Jul 14 14:02:49 <Sicp> yea sure
Jul 14 14:05:59 <Sicp> this is the layout you suggested, http://pastebin.com/19vTtbQV
Jul 14 14:06:00 <Sicp> correct?
Jul 14 14:06:58 <tors> yeah
Jul 14 14:07:10 <Sicp> this is what it produces, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/SC20120714-170525.png
Jul 14 14:07:46 <tors> nice! now they are on the same row! :)
Jul 14 14:07:52 <Sicp> lol yes
Jul 14 14:08:02 <Sicp> I've had that before, but it isn't what I want exactly, of course
Jul 14 14:08:08 <Sicp> I want the Favorites to go off to its far right
Jul 14 14:08:27 <Sicp> and you see that Favorites already has the android:gravity = "right" attrib
Jul 14 14:11:37 <written_tabletpc> hmm, are there native development tool availiable for android???
Jul 14 14:12:02 <Sicp> yea written_tabletpc, you can get it from the SDK manager, it's the NDK
Jul 14 14:12:09 <tors> Sicp: use a FrameLayout instead perhaps
Jul 14 14:12:15 <Sicp> hmm
Jul 14 14:12:20 <Sicp> ok i'll see now
Jul 14 14:12:57 <written_tabletpc> Sicp:  so i first have to install and build the android ndk?
Jul 14 14:13:15 <Sicp> you have to have the SDK first, and the ADT plugin for Eclipse, you will then get the SDK Manager
Jul 14 14:13:19 <Sicp> from there, you will be able to grab the NDK
Jul 14 14:13:22 <Sicp> just check and install
Jul 14 14:13:33 <GeeksOnHugs> first install java and eclipse, then the ADT (the latest will download the latest SDK)
Jul 14 14:13:44 <GeeksOnHugs> then once you have basic SDK, you can add the NDK
Jul 14 14:13:58 <written_tabletpc> ok. thanks. that`s at least a start
Jul 14 14:14:13 <GeeksOnHugs> Sicp the latest ADT will download the SDK for you
Jul 14 14:14:42 <written_tabletpc> Sicp:  goal is to build openwrt on my  tablet -
Jul 14 14:15:11 <Sicp> the router firmware?
Jul 14 14:15:21 <written_tabletpc> yes
Jul 14 14:16:03 <Sicp> so why did Snoop Dogg need an umbrella?
Jul 14 14:17:25 <Sicp> FO DRIZZLE!
Jul 14 14:17:54 * Sicp smacks tors' back appreciatively, it works!
Jul 14 14:18:20 <tors> sweet :)
Jul 14 14:18:43 <Naglfar> Sicp's control box allow multiuser ?
Jul 14 14:18:49 <Sicp> no
Jul 14 14:18:57 <Sicp> this is just inside 1 server account
Jul 14 14:19:01 <Sicp> where sicp is the user
Jul 14 14:19:37 <nomi1988> http://blog.crazybob.org/2010/02/android-trusting-ssl-certificates.html could someone help me with the step 2 there, i'm on windows
Jul 14 14:21:18 <nomi1988> completely lost as to what to do
Jul 14 14:22:05 <Sicp> look up the file they're requesting
Jul 14 14:22:09 <Sicp> BKS.jar
Jul 14 14:22:29 <Sicp> get it and add its location to the Java classpath, then look up "creating keystore"
Jul 14 14:22:34 <Sicp> its easy on windows
Jul 14 14:26:00 <nomi1988> i don't have it in my android sdk folder
Jul 14 14:26:28 <nomi1988> should i download it?
Jul 14 14:27:16 <Sicp> you have to download it either way
Jul 14 14:27:32 <Sicp> where it should be placed is irrelevant, it will be in your Java classpath
Jul 14 14:27:50 <nomi1988> http://www.bouncycastle.org/latest_releases.html ? I'm using java 6
Jul 14 14:28:02 <MarcAurelio> Hi all
Jul 14 14:28:19 <nomi1988> bcprov-jdk15on-147.jar bcprov-ext-jdk15on-147.jar this one?
Jul 14 14:28:43 <Sicp> yes
Jul 14 14:28:49 <Sicp> that's the one
Jul 14 14:30:23 <cketti> on android you probably want to use spongy castle: http://rtyley.github.com/spongycastle/
Jul 14 14:30:52 <written_tabletpc> Sicp:  eclipse is downloading the sdk manager atm
Jul 14 14:31:23 <Sicp> great!
Jul 14 14:31:24 <Sicp> lol
Jul 14 14:32:05 <Sicp> ok tors, there's another task
Jul 14 14:32:07 <Sicp> :P
Jul 14 14:33:31 <nomi1988> ok, i got that files' path in the Java classpath
Jul 14 14:33:48 <nomi1988> look up "creating keystore" where?
Jul 14 14:34:15 <Sicp> Google..
Jul 14 14:35:03 <Sicp> look at this XML file, tors http://pastebin.com/5GC5b4xu
Jul 14 14:35:12 <Sicp> this is what it produces, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/SC20120714-173414.png
Jul 14 14:35:51 <Sicp> that TextView that you see with the id of "Connecting" is supposed to show up under that circle image when a server is selected
Jul 14 14:36:05 <Sicp> so it doesn't show up on startup of course
Jul 14 14:36:15 <nomi1988> hold on too fast
Jul 14 14:36:30 <Sicp> I'm talking to tors, not to you, nomi1988
Jul 14 14:38:51 <written_tabletpc> Sicp:  okay. i now have the Android SDK Manager installed
Jul 14 14:39:07 <written_tabletpc> Sicp:  where should i continue now?
Jul 14 14:39:16 <Sicp> press on it..
Jul 14 14:39:28 <Sicp> flip through the shit inside, the NDK should be there
Jul 14 14:41:32 <nomi1988> i followed this: http://www.sslshopper.com/article-how-to-create-a-self-signed-certificate-using-java-keytool.html
Jul 14 14:41:44 <Sicp> this is better, written_tabletpc, http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html#Installing
Jul 14 14:41:46 <Sicp> follow it
Jul 14 14:42:15 <Sicp> that's accurate, nomi1988
Jul 14 14:42:49 <nomi1988> this no good either: http://portecle.sourceforge.net/?
Jul 14 14:43:29 <Sicp> I said that the first one _is_ accurate
Jul 14 14:43:34 <Sicp> you need to do what it says
Jul 14 14:44:58 <nomi1988> wow, for real? this is the best android got for making https call?
Jul 14 14:45:27 <nomi1988> this looks insane
Jul 14 14:48:16 <nomi1988> now, what would you have me do with this NDK?
Jul 14 14:49:43 <nomi1988> don't ditch in the middle please :( i'll seriously cry
Jul 14 14:50:51 <Sicp> haha
Jul 14 14:51:06 <Sicp> get it working
Jul 14 14:51:08 <Sicp> I challenge you
Jul 14 14:52:34 <nomi1988> wow what is this. I thought you were going to help me man
Jul 14 14:53:07 <nomi1988> I'm android Noob
Jul 14 14:53:26 <drpenguin> you should consult the mighty goog
Jul 14 14:54:01 <nomi1988> dude been at it for hours now
Jul 14 14:54:36 <nomi1988> http://blog.crazybob.org/2010/02/android-trusting-ssl-certificates.html Pure outrageous
Jul 14 14:54:43 <__ceephax__> Hello
Jul 14 14:55:09 <__ceephax__> I'm wondering if anyone can help me improve the performance of my android application
Jul 14 14:55:23 <nomi1988> http://www.makeurownrules.com/secure-rest-web-service-mobile-application-android.html close enough, but... their code got errors
Jul 14 14:55:49 <__ceephax__> my app is very slow to load? I have a MainMenu which is the activity and a view that draws a big button in the centre. It takes like 20 seconds to load on my galaxy nexus https://gist.github.com/3111697 and i dont really understand why
Jul 14 14:56:22 <nomi1988> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2253061/secure-http-post-in-android this is pretty good, but I think i'm not sending my username and password properly
Jul 14 14:56:40 <__ceephax__> i'm extending surfaceview rather than view so that i can get touch events.  I thinmk it may be the runnable in there that is causing the delay
Jul 14 14:57:23 <nomi1988> why do u have a runnable? do it inBackground
Jul 14 14:58:10 <__ceephax__> nomi1988, can u give me a pointer to the API doc so i can read up on this
Jul 14 14:58:12 <alankila> __ceephax__: and while (_draw_bool) { loop here with 100% cpu usage } is not good design
Jul 14 14:58:55 <__ceephax__> alankila, true true, replacing that with a simple if statement should fix no?
Jul 14 14:59:02 <__ceephax__> or improve at least
Jul 14 14:59:08 <SimonVT> Eh, View can get touch events
Jul 14 14:59:16 <alankila> not sure what you are doing, but I suspect this is the key to your problem
Jul 14 14:59:58 <__ceephax__> alankila, thanks
Jul 14 15:01:13 <nomi1988> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jul 14 15:01:50 <__ceephax__> nah still slow.  I think ill take out the runnable, and go with just a view class rather than surface view
Jul 14 15:02:18 <nomi1988> http://books.google.com/books?id=QJebk6GyASgC&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=android+json&source=bl&ots=-9h8sVOQu4&sig=QN6g-FOQdfTOQw3pgQbGqS-pXl0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5okBUKWzH5Ce6wH21aXkBg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=android%20json&f=false
Jul 14 15:22:12 <robb_www> in android.database.sqlite.SQLiteDatabase.replace(String  table, String  nullColumnHack, ContentValues  initialValues) the return value is documented as "the row ID of the newly inserted row, or -1 if an error occurred", what is the value when no new row is inserted?
Jul 14 15:23:45 <Snoxie> So how do i use only a few of the lines from meminfo? I just wanna take TotalMem and FreeMem and put into strings? :)
Jul 14 15:23:48 <Snoxie> http://pastebin.com/95P5EdCt
Jul 14 15:25:42 <drpenguin> Snoxie: is the "head" command available?
Jul 14 15:25:46 <drpenguin> head -n 2 would do the trick..
Jul 14 15:26:27 <Snoxie> Ehm how would i put that in my code?
Jul 14 15:26:37 <F1rstAid> Can I write my own SystemUI app which to use instead of the standart UI?
Jul 14 15:26:46 <drpenguin> use head -n 2 versus cat if head is there?
Jul 14 15:27:11 <luyang> Hello, what's up if I use multiple G-Mail accounts? Do I have to pay the developer fee multiple times?
Jul 14 15:27:57 <Snoxie> I dont understand ow drpenguin
Jul 14 15:27:59 <Snoxie> how*
Jul 14 15:28:35 <drpenguin> Snoxie: use. head. vs. cat. Simple?
Jul 14 15:28:44 <drpenguin> im not speaking another language here
Jul 14 15:29:05 <Snoxie> Could you show me how to do it in code. I have no idea what you mean
Jul 14 15:29:40 <drpenguin> ... your kiddin right?
Jul 14 15:29:44 <alankila> why the *fuck* do you guys execute shell commands to do shit like read few lines of data from a text file?
Jul 14 15:29:46 <robb_www> i think drpenguin means "versus" meaning "instead of"
Jul 14 15:30:08 <F1rstAid> What is needed to write my own SystemUI app?
Jul 14 15:30:17 <drpenguin> alankila: true.. not a good idea
Jul 14 15:30:46 <droidbuster> alankila: have u ever had an app that wouldnt export with a valid image icon with no errors
Jul 14 15:30:48 <alankila> Snoxie: look up BufferedReader and InputStreamReader and use them
Jul 14 15:30:57 <alankila> droidbuster: no.
Jul 14 15:31:17 <droidbuster> grrr this is pissing me off :/
Jul 14 15:40:55 <droidbuster> where is the android compile log kept ?
Jul 14 15:40:57 <robb_www> if anyone is wondering, SQLite replace acts like its inserting a new row, so the ROWID is updated even if a previous value existed
Jul 14 15:41:28 <robb_www> also lol @ NullPointerException on "this.dismiss();"
Jul 14 15:46:28 <SimonVT> If you want to change the values of an existing row, it would be an update
Jul 14 16:29:40 <canadiancow> You can long press the 'Power Off' option in the power menu to boot your device to safe mode.
Jul 14 16:29:42 <canadiancow> interesting
Jul 14 16:30:00 <drpenguin> ouwhuuuuuuuuuh?
Jul 14 16:38:51 <Snoxie> Hey! How do i show only some lines of the text i will get with this code? http://pastebin.com/95P5EdCt
Jul 14 16:39:16 <drpenguin> Snoxie: we went over this before, we arent doing it again
Jul 14 16:39:31 <Snoxie> I still dont understand how to do it.. Could you explain it?
Jul 14 16:39:36 <drpenguin> nope
Jul 14 16:40:53 <Snoxie> Well then its kinda hard isnt it? Anyone else that can help me?
Jul 14 16:41:20 <drpenguin> its hard if your name is Snoxie :P, for others (like myself or arubin, who know a thing or 2  about JAVA, it isnt)
Jul 14 16:41:43 <written_tabletpc> re :-)
Jul 14 16:42:28 <Snoxie> drpenguin: I am not a complete retard. I know Java im just not as good as you. So for some reason you dont wanna help me because i am not as good as you.. Thats why i got in here?
Jul 14 16:42:40 <Snoxie> To get help
Jul 14 16:43:16 <drpenguin> Snoxie: ok. earlier on I told you how to do it one way. Another individual told ou how to do it another way. Still dont get it? Google it
Jul 14 16:43:55 <Snoxie> I Googled it and found no solution. I asked you guys and you were like: Thats easy do this: *stuff i dont understand*
Jul 14 16:44:08 <Snoxie> And then you were like you dont understand then we cant help you..
Jul 14 16:53:32 <GeeksOnHugs> when using fragments should I override onCreateOptionsMenu in the activity or the fragment?
Jul 14 16:56:14 <SimonVT> Depends on the menu item
Jul 14 16:56:29 <SimonVT> If it refreshes the content of FragmentOne, you might want to supply it from FragmentOne
Jul 14 17:03:14 <canadiancow> i overflowed my stack :(
Jul 14 17:09:37 <jessicajames> So, I have a global String str and want str to change to the text of my selected Tab (in the TabHost) each time the tab is changed. I've looked online and am a little confused - can anyone point me in the right direction?
Jul 14 17:11:43 <SimonVT> There should be a callback somewhere for when the tab is changed
Jul 14 17:11:47 <SimonVT> Set it there
Jul 14 17:12:54 <canadiancow> best git commit: Use a Handler rather than overflowing the stack
Jul 14 17:13:13 <GeeksOnHugs> SimonVT, thanks for the answer a few minutes ago (just got back)
Jul 14 17:32:33 <canadiancow> SimonVT, do you know of any proguard instructions for ABS?
Jul 14 17:32:38 <canadiancow> i thought i gave something ot JakeWharton at one point
Jul 14 17:32:46 <canadiancow> but ive encountered more problems with shareactionprovider, etc
Jul 14 17:32:52 <canadiancow> and im probably going to hit another with SearchView
Jul 14 17:33:39 <canadiancow> oh no SearchView is in the autogenerated -keep file
Jul 14 17:33:49 <SimonVT> They're in the faq
Jul 14 17:34:08 <SimonVT> Basically it just keeps everything in com.actionbarsherlock
Jul 14 17:34:12 <canadiancow> nah thats old
Jul 14 17:34:44 <canadiancow> for just "abs", WITH THE LATEST TOOLS, all you need in addition to the default proguard config is:
Jul 14 17:34:47 <canadiancow> -keep public !abstract class * extends com.actionbarsherlock.ActionBarSherlock {
Jul 14 17:34:47 <canadiancow>     public <init>(android.app.Activity, int);  	
Jul 14 17:34:47 <canadiancow> }
Jul 14 17:35:01 <canadiancow> but then i think i also need:
Jul 14 17:35:02 <canadiancow> -keep public !abstract class * extends com.actionbarsherlock.widget.ShareActionProvider {
Jul 14 17:35:02 <canadiancow>     public <init>(android.content.Context);  	
Jul 14 17:35:02 <canadiancow> }
Jul 14 17:35:14 <SimonVT> Oh well :p
Jul 14 17:35:30 <canadiancow> -keep class com.actionbarsherlock.** { *; }
Jul 14 17:35:32 <canadiancow> that will "work"
Jul 14 17:35:35 <canadiancow> but it's suboptimal
Jul 14 17:35:39 <canadiancow> because it keeps ALL the things
Jul 14 17:36:33 <canadiancow> also dont trust the ones i just pasted - im still working on them ;)
Jul 14 17:37:09 <SimonVT> I usually just tell people to use that one, cus well, users
Jul 14 17:37:53 <canadiancow> but then why are they using proguard?
Jul 14 17:38:32 <SimonVT> Ask them :p
Jul 14 17:42:56 <w33dy> Hi! :) What is the easiest way to perform authentication on this site? http://www.wareztuga.tv/login.php
Jul 14 17:44:23 <canadiancow> ...
Jul 14 17:44:30 <canadiancow> seriously?
Jul 14 17:44:33 <SimonVT> Enter your username and password
Jul 14 17:44:38 <SimonVT> Click login
Jul 14 17:44:43 <w33dy> No, on an Android application
Jul 14 17:45:00 <w33dy> You have two textviews and a login button.
Jul 14 17:45:13 <canadiancow> use a SherlockHttpPost
Jul 14 17:45:18 <w33dy> I want to know what is the easiest way to check if the login was successfull or not
Jul 14 17:47:36 <wongk-home> anybody got any good "learn to opengl es 2 on android for total noobs" references?
Jul 14 17:50:03 <lov> wongk-home: it's really "learn to opengl es 2", and then customize that for android.
Jul 14 17:50:09 <lov> gles is a cross-platform standard.
Jul 14 17:50:44 <wongk-home> yeah, but i am sure there are some good references that use android for demonstration
Jul 14 17:51:08 <wongk-home> trying to wade through a million google search results for something useful :P
Jul 14 17:52:06 <jasta> wongk-home: the difference between the standard and how it's implemented on android can be figured out just by reading ApiDemos
Jul 14 17:52:24 <jasta> and maybe some other samples if you're just totally clueless on how to write code in general :)
Jul 14 17:53:45 <lov> wongk-home: the thing is that most game developers dev against iOS, so most of the tutorials and instructions will be against that.
Jul 14 17:53:55 <lov> finding something Android specific that's comprehensive will be hard.
Jul 14 17:54:21 <wongk-home> must be why i am not having the easiest time :P
Jul 14 17:54:45 <wongk-home> i've found a couple goos articles i think
Jul 14 17:56:03 <jasta> ...doubt it :)
Jul 14 17:56:29 <ciem> Hi, is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x64 good for working on Android source and modyfing my Galaxy Nexus or should I stick to 10.04?
Jul 14 17:56:41 <Ikee> Hey, is there a way to load a bitmap flipped horizontally? The way I'm doing it now is loading the bitmap, use Bitmap.createBitmap with a Matrix that has a 1,-1 scale set.
Jul 14 17:56:46 <drpenguin> ciem: any system should be fine for that..
Jul 14 17:56:54 <Ikee> Just seems a little memory inefficient
Jul 14 17:57:09 <jasta> Ikee: just draw it backwards.
Jul 14 17:57:09 <ciem> drpenguin, thanks
Jul 14 17:57:43 <jasta> i mean, why even bother creating a new bitmap that is flipped when you can just use the original and have it dynamically draw flipped
Jul 14 17:57:45 <wongk-home> this seems like a reasonable place to start: http://www.learnopengles.com/android-lesson-one-getting-started/
Jul 14 17:58:00 <Ikee> jasta: Using it for Opengl. Just seems a little silly having to flip the uv coords
Jul 14 17:58:12 <wongk-home> they've actually got several android tutorials
Jul 14 17:58:22 <Ikee> problem is Android's bitmap origin is topleft, while opengl is bottomleft
Jul 14 17:58:23 <jasta> Ikee: why does that seem silly?  you're flipping the texture...
Jul 14 17:58:39 <jasta> uploading a new texture to flip it, especially in GL, is what makes no sense :)
Jul 14 17:59:27 <mathijs> Quick question: is it necessary for Android to have an RTC to work?
Jul 14 17:59:41 <lov> an RTC?
Jul 14 17:59:44 <jasta> no
Jul 14 17:59:46 <mathijs> real-time clock
Jul 14 17:59:48 <lov> oh
Jul 14 17:59:58 <lov> guess not :P
Jul 14 17:59:59 <luyang> Nice: android.support.v4.app._ActionBarSherlockTrojanHorse
Jul 14 18:00:03 <jasta> but i guess it depends on what you mean by work :)
Jul 14 18:00:13 <mathijs> because wakelock depends on it. I'm trying to at least make it boot
Jul 14 18:00:33 <lov> mathijs: fake it till you make it if the device doesn't have one.
Jul 14 18:00:49 <jasta> mathijs: keep in mind tho, this isn't the right channel for much of what you're trying to do...
Jul 14 18:01:30 <mathijs> oh, sorry.. I thought you guys might know. I'm trying to make it run on a raspberry pi, you might've heard of it
Jul 14 18:01:47 <brx_> thats cool
Jul 14 18:01:47 <wongk-home> this channel is for app development
Jul 14 18:02:36 <mathijs> thanks, anyway
Jul 14 18:02:42 <lov> mathijs: technically it's the right channel but you're not gonna get any good answers :P
Jul 14 18:02:52 <jasta> mathijs: you were right that we might know, but most of us that do also exist in other channels that are more appropriate :)
Jul 14 18:03:24 <sunny_slls> hey everybody.
Jul 14 18:04:06 <lov> jasta: what channel should we send people towards for this kind of stuff, anyway?
Jul 14 18:04:21 <clayjar> #blackhole ?
Jul 14 18:04:24 <sunny_slls> I have stored the addresses of the images present in the drawable in sqlite database . which i wan't to retrieve and then show it
Jul 14 18:04:28 * clayjar (j/k)
Jul 14 18:04:34 <jasta> lov: #android-root traditionally
Jul 14 18:04:42 <canadiancow> SimonVT, sometimes proguard is a bitch T_T
Jul 14 18:04:49 <sunny_slls> when i am trying to set it as backgroundresource , it gives numberformatexception
Jul 14 18:04:51 <clayjar> #cyanogenmod perhaps?
Jul 14 18:04:53 <jasta> but honestly, the platforms-dev group on google groups is probably way way better
Jul 14 18:04:55 <sunny_slls> how can i do it ?
Jul 14 18:04:59 <canadiancow> i have an explicit -keep on ShareActionProvider and it doesnt keep it :(
Jul 14 18:05:37 <mathijs> thanks for the advice guys, I'll check in #android-root and otherwise google groups
Jul 14 18:05:37 <lov> jasta: I can't imagine -root being helpful :P
Jul 14 18:06:01 <jasta> nah it won't be ;)
Jul 14 18:06:07 <jasta> those guys are schmucks
Jul 14 18:06:27 <sunny_slls> i wan't the images to be set as backgroundresource
Jul 14 18:06:37 <clayjar> how about #cyanogenmod-dev (if I'm understanding correctly that someone asked about rooting a phone) ?
Jul 14 18:07:11 <luyang> irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#cyanogenmod-dev
Jul 14 18:07:38 <luyang> weird that irccloud has stolen my channel hashtags
Jul 14 18:08:01 <jessicajames> Does anyone have suggestions for gesture based tab switching in a tabhost?
Jul 14 18:08:08 <jessicajames> ^^tutorials, for example
Jul 14 18:08:12 <sunny_slls> i have stored the images present in drawable in db . for eg :- "R.drawable.icon"
Jul 14 18:10:20 <sunny_slls> guys anyone ?
Jul 14 18:10:26 <brx_> sunny_slls: you need to cast that string to its int i think
Jul 14 18:10:49 <brx_> sec i have this on my walla somewhere  :)
Jul 14 18:10:51 <sunny_slls> brx_, i am trying that .... still it gives that error
Jul 14 18:12:06 <F1rstAid> I want to rewrite the system bar( for tablet) I want to change icons and notifications and the way how it works. Can I write my own app and change the firmware one as I did with the home screen app?
Jul 14 18:12:39 <lov> no; that's a deeper change, you'd have to change frameworks probably.
Jul 14 18:13:50 <F1rstAid> well I can remove the fucking status bar but the problem is that when I start other app I can`t back to my own
Jul 14 18:14:00 <F1rstAid> can you give any ideas how to solve this problem
Jul 14 18:14:07 <F1rstAid> I don`t have hardware back button
Jul 14 18:15:21 <lov> nope, good luck with that!
Jul 14 18:15:23 <lov> #android-root
Jul 14 18:18:12 <brx_> sunny_slls: have you tried context.getResources().getIdentifier()
Jul 14 18:18:40 <brx_> (getIdentifier takes three arguments)
Jul 14 18:20:35 <dr_jkl> do you suppose if i were to chmod 444 and chattr -i /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor it would keep the governor set to what i set it to and allow no app to change it?
Jul 14 18:21:32 <lov> dr_jkl: #android-root please
Jul 14 18:21:40 <dr_jkl> lov: thank you
Jul 14 18:27:50 <sunny_slls> brx_, but that will return me a context
Jul 14 18:28:00 <sunny_slls> i wan't an integer value
Jul 14 18:28:23 <sunny_slls> oh~! wait
Jul 14 18:28:28 <brx_> you sure/ :P
Jul 14 18:29:50 <canadiancow> anyone having a problem uploading an apk to the dev console?
Jul 14 18:29:58 <canadiancow> An unexpected error occurred. Please try again later.
Jul 14 18:30:15 <brx_> ive had that in the past, random
Jul 14 18:33:51 <F1rstAid> lov there is already solution for my problem. Something which I tought that actually can work and it is :D Hint: Something always on top :)
Jul 14 18:34:12 <deadmund> I'm writing an application that sends and receives data between individual phones.  Is it proper to write a service that accepts data directly on some port (tcp style) or should I use text messages and set up a text message received event handler?
Jul 14 18:34:25 <deadmund> I"m asking because I want to look up how to do one or the other.
Jul 14 18:34:44 <brx_> c2dm
Jul 14 18:35:28 <deadmund> Right now I'm reading this: http://www.edumobile.org/android/android-development/socket-programming/
Jul 14 18:36:14 <brx_> actually i was wrong i missunderstood :<
Jul 14 18:37:12 <canadiancow> oh i can upload apks in IE but not chrome
Jul 14 18:37:13 <canadiancow> go google!
Jul 14 18:37:27 <Ravenheart> IE is the ultimate browser
Jul 14 18:37:44 <sunny_slls> brx_, hey everytime it returns 0
Jul 14 18:37:59 <sunny_slls> brx_, what is the type that i have to give there ?
Jul 14 18:38:29 <sunny_slls> brx_ package i am giving the default one .
Jul 14 18:38:32 <sunny_slls> the base package
Jul 14 18:39:02 <brx_> not sure, i used this code:
Jul 14 18:39:03 <brx_> resIDImage = context.getResources().getIdentifier(characters[0], "layout", context.getPackageName());
Jul 14 18:39:28 <sunny_slls> ok
Jul 14 18:39:36 <jimi_hendrix> so my program isnt showing up in the ddms process list but the debug logs it is emitting are and it is clearly running in my emulator. any ideas?
Jul 14 18:40:23 <brx_> i think you would use "drawable" for the second ergument sunny_slls
Jul 14 18:40:39 <sunny_slls> ok
Jul 14 18:47:14 <sunny_slls> great , it worked brx_
Jul 14 18:47:16 <sunny_slls> thanks
Jul 14 19:00:41 <noslen_ramingo> ping
Jul 14 19:01:36 <noslen_ramingo> does someone know why I would need to call nofifyDataSetInvalidated() when i get no results filtering an adapter?
Jul 14 19:01:39 <noslen_ramingo> http://pastebin.com/qTNzeP6s
Jul 14 19:02:25 <noslen_ramingo> the example here calls notifyDataSetInvalidate() if the result count is 0
Jul 14 19:02:32 <noslen_ramingo> i'm afraid i don't quite understand why
Jul 14 19:21:22 <robb_www> wongk, my only advice is simple, the camera is always at the origin ;)
Jul 14 19:21:58 <luyang> yes the world should be translated, huh
Jul 14 19:23:23 <jessicajames> Doesn't the android site by Google have stats on what the most used API is? I can't find the page..
Jul 14 19:24:42 <luyang> do you mean http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Jul 14 19:24:46 <luyang> or used APIs?
Jul 14 19:29:52 <movi> anyone has a ballpark size of what an ascii dictionary for LatinIME should be ?
Jul 14 19:30:18 <movi> or even better - a utility to dump a binary dictoinary (.dict) to ascii
Jul 14 20:30:20 <deadmund> When I try to run './android move avd -n avd_name -p /scratch/some_folder/avd_name    All I get is a single error that says: "Error: Failed to move"  Why?  I'm sure I typed the names right (used tab completion)
Jul 14 20:31:21 <F1rstAid> Is there a way I can put my account in my playstore without starting it?
Jul 14 20:31:37 <F1rstAid> some configuration file for example?
Jul 14 20:33:08 <deadmund> It's onto a different partition.  Is that the problem?
Jul 14 20:35:44 <F1rstAid> deadmund maybe something is using it?
Jul 14 20:36:11 <deadmund> F1rstAid: No, I found online that you can't move it using the ./android command if you're going to move it to a new partition.
Jul 14 20:36:25 <deadmund> This is stupid but what is stupider is my home folder quota here on this machine :(
Jul 14 20:39:01 <F1rstAid> try to move it somehow or ask administrator
Jul 14 20:39:03 <F1rstAid> s
Jul 14 20:39:27 <deadmund> F1rstAid: I was able to work around it by symlinking.  Thank you for the suggestion though.  I will be sending an annoyed email to my admin :P
Jul 14 20:46:19 <Ologn> F1rstAid, what do you mean?
Jul 14 21:01:29 <Sleepybear> sup nerds
Jul 14 21:03:37 <bubbleguuum> got to love platform crash for which there is nothing you can do at the app level to workaround. here, webkit crashing: http://pastebin.com/WDMTZ1J3
Jul 14 21:04:46 <robb_www> got to love eclipse highlighting an error youve already corrected, and refusing to build on that basis
Jul 14 21:05:11 <deadmund> robb_www: cut the lines with the errors, wait for the warning to go away, replace it.
Jul 14 21:05:18 <deadmund> robb_www: It is extremely annoying though!! :)
Jul 14 21:05:37 <deadmund> However, I guess I enjoy never having compile errors thanks to eclipse
Jul 14 21:05:53 <robb_www> deadmund, did that, the error jumped to the next line :/
Jul 14 21:06:03 <nomi1988> http://developer.android.com/reference/org/apache/http/conn/ssl/SSLSocketFactory.html i was able to follow this until Import the trusted CA root certificate . I could not import this CA, and verify works fine. Is that enough?
Jul 14 21:06:49 <deadmund> robb_www: haha, weird
Jul 14 21:06:51 * robb_www restarts IDE
Jul 14 21:09:17 <robb_www> uhoh, error is still listed after restarting eclipse :/
Jul 14 21:09:38 <robb_www> mass cut & paste worked though
Jul 14 21:09:45 <robb_www> ty for the advice deadmund
Jul 14 21:10:30 <deadmund> robb_www: sure :)  I do it all the time.  I think my eclipse is particularly slow / choppy because I'm on linux running openjdk instead of sunjdk
Jul 14 21:10:33 <deadmund> IDK though
Jul 14 21:12:11 <Pasq89>  when you edit an xml on eclipse, in the graphical editor of the ADT, at leftmost of the Eclipse, you can see Outline, and below outline WHAT... ?
Jul 14 21:12:17 <Pasq89>  it closed, and i dont remember its name to open it. with that you can edit values of the xml...
Jul 14 21:12:50 <kiren> Hello, installing android sdk for the first time. Is there a recommended list of API versions I should install or will I be fine with simply the most recent one? (Android 4.1 - API 16)
Jul 14 21:13:42 <Pasq89> with only the latest, can you make a project on 2.3?
Jul 14 21:13:47 <themirror> touchPanel extends SurfaceView
Jul 14 21:13:47 <themirror> touch
Jul 14 21:13:47 <themirror> Hi. I am having trouble with this here code. The first log prints, the second never does. |||   Log.d("In main", "run() called"); touchPanel.setVisibility(View.GONE); Log.d("In main", "touchPanel set GONE");
Jul 14 21:13:59 <deadmund> kiren: most people develop for 2.2 ish area because not many people own devices running 4.x
Jul 14 21:14:12 <deadmund> this here code
Jul 14 21:15:04 <kiren> Yeah that's what I thought, how do developers deal with the version fragmentation? Just target an older version? (I'm assuming 2.2 is compatible with a 4.0 phone?)
Jul 14 21:15:06 <themirror> kiren: it's probably best to go for the lowest api level you can. i grabbed all api's in case
Jul 14 21:16:35 <Pasq89> hmmm
Jul 14 21:16:43 <deadmund> themirror: but do you dev on version 1.0 ?  (Surely that's the lowest)
Jul 14 21:16:45 <Pasq89> try tutorials on dev.....android.com
Jul 14 21:17:15 <Pasq89> there is a way to make a project for api 16 (jelly b) and support down to 7(eclair)
Jul 14 21:17:37 <Pasq89> using support-v4 library!
Jul 14 21:17:39 <robb_www> personally im working against 5 (2.0 or so I believe)
Jul 14 21:17:53 <Zharf> Pasq89, don't even need that if you don't need the features of it :)
Jul 14 21:18:06 <themirror> kiren: yep, if you absolutely need a feature from a higher version, then you'd have to retarget or refactor
Jul 14 21:18:22 <deadmund> Seriously, it's mostly the same on the API level.
Jul 14 21:18:28 <themirror> deadmund: nope, 2.1. Here i post a link one sec
Jul 14 21:18:32 <Pasq89> indeed, but.... i dont know.. i recommend it! :)
Jul 14 21:18:46 <themirror> http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Jul 14 21:19:00 <deadmund> there ya go!
Jul 14 21:19:23 * Zharf absolutely refuses to support 2.1 or lower, 2.2 is tolerable but should die out... 2.3 I can work with
Jul 14 21:19:54 <Pasq89> below 2.1 yes.. 2.1 to 4.0 i think is more than 99% of the market!
Jul 14 21:20:41 <kiren> I'll target an older version and bump up if I need new features, thanks for the help guys. :)
Jul 14 21:20:45 <fully_human> Peraps someone can help me.  I'm trying to send a notification, so I've used a NotificationBuilder.  Unfortunately, I have API version 10, and NotificationBuilder needs 11 (I got a NoClassDefFoundError).  So then I decided to import android.support.v4.NotificationCompat and use NotificationCompat.Builder.  Still I got the same error, except for NotificationCompat.Builder.  Any ideas?  Thanks.
Jul 14 21:20:55 <themirror> yep im still running 2.1 on my evo haha
Jul 14 21:26:17 <themirror> fully_human: You said yourself its API level 11. I don't know enough about NotificationCompat
Jul 14 21:26:34 <fully_human> Ah.
Jul 14 21:27:17 <themirror> Maybe you need a Dialog?
Jul 14 21:30:49 <themirror> fully_human: also, you don't *need* a NotificationBuilder to make a Notification, the class is originally in v1 but NotificationBuilder has been recently added
Jul 14 21:31:40 <fully_human> Eclipse comlains that Notification() and setLastestInfo() are deprecated (even the docs say so).
Jul 14 21:31:46 <kiren> Just had a number of errors pop up when I set the SDK location in ADT, the sdk location should simply be set to the sdk root, correct?
Jul 14 21:32:39 <fully_human> kiren: Yes.
Jul 14 21:35:23 <JakeWharton> use NotificationCompat.Builder
Jul 14 21:35:58 <fully_human> JakeWharton: I tried that, but I got a NoClassDefFoundError.
Jul 14 21:36:16 <fully_human> Even when I imported android.support.v4.NotificationCompat.
Jul 14 21:36:20 <fully_human> Thanks, though.
Jul 14 21:36:34 <JakeWharton> did you add the support library?
Jul 14 21:39:12 <caverdude> I need to get my first java app running on my andriod 3 in the next 8 hours... I have eclipse, android sdk, eclipse android plugin installed.. think I can do it?
Jul 14 21:39:28 <caverdude> how does the app deploy to the phone?
Jul 14 21:39:41 <caverdude> do I have to goto a link and click it and the phone downloads the app?
Jul 14 21:39:51 <aaa801> Has anyone here tryed to get android to run on the pi?
Jul 14 21:39:52 <nexsoftware> I think you can do it in the next 8 minutes.
Jul 14 21:40:02 <caverdude> nexsoftware, I'm not so homefull with eclipse
Jul 14 21:40:09 <caverdude> ha
Jul 14 21:40:32 <caverdude> nexsoftware, I wish you were right
Jul 14 21:40:38 <Sleepybear> hrm
Jul 14 21:40:49 <Sleepybear> I wonder why I can't get the Intel images to load in the emulator
Jul 14 21:41:28 <caverdude> I began a project called MyFirstAndroidApp in eclipse
Jul 14 21:41:39 <Sleepybear> good job?
Jul 14 21:41:42 <caverdude> I see it created som default packages
Jul 14 21:41:47 <nexsoftware> You could, it depends on the app. You can deploy hello world in short order. To deploy to the phone, turn on USB debugging (if it isn't already), then hit run in Eclipse.
Jul 14 21:42:05 <nexsoftware> Oh, and plug in the phone of course.
Jul 14 21:42:09 <caverdude> hmm
Jul 14 21:42:21 <caverdude> the same usb cable I used to charge the phone with I suppose?
Jul 14 21:42:23 <Sleepybear> adb install myapp.apk
Jul 14 21:42:26 <nexsoftware> yep
Jul 14 21:42:45 <caverdude> what about deploying from a web site?
Jul 14 21:42:57 <nexsoftware> you can do that too
Jul 14 21:42:57 <caverdude> is that more complex?
Jul 14 21:43:02 <nexsoftware> no
Jul 14 21:43:02 <caverdude> ok cool
Jul 14 21:43:27 <nexsoftware> You'll need to enable "Unknown sources" on the phone to get it to install from the web
Jul 14 21:43:42 <themirror> Hi. I am having trouble with this here code in a runOnUiThread. The first log prints, the second never does. |||   Log.d("In main", "run() called"); touchPanel.setVisibility(View.GONE); Log.d("In main", "touchPanel set GONE"); ||| Note: touchPanel extends SurfaceView
Jul 14 21:43:44 <caverdude> ok
Jul 14 21:43:47 <caverdude> thanks
Jul 14 21:43:53 <nexsoftware> no problem :)
Jul 14 21:45:12 <joel135> given a Context "context", is it possible to affect the returning value of { Settings.System.getString(context.getContentResolver(), "android_id"); } ?
Jul 14 21:45:44 <nomi1988> any good tutorial available for https calls?
Jul 14 21:45:53 <Sleepybear> Installed the Intel HAXM software, Intel VT-x is enabled
Jul 14 21:46:01 <Sleepybear> but the emulator just get locked up when trying to boot
Jul 14 21:46:11 <caverdude> adb is not a recognised command at the cmd prompt
Jul 14 21:46:26 <caverdude> maybe the android stuff is not in the path
Jul 14 21:46:29 <luyang> so Handlers should now be declared as a static inner class instead of an anonymous subclass?
Jul 14 21:46:32 <nexsoftware> that's likely it
Jul 14 21:46:39 <Sleepybear> add android-sdk/tools and platform-tools to your path
Jul 14 21:46:53 <caverdude> k
Jul 14 21:50:50 <fully_human> JakeWharton: Yes, android.support.v4.jar.  I think I solved it, though by using Notification.  I was using the wrong API version of my program.
Jul 14 21:51:06 <JakeWharton> NotificationCompat works on API 4 and up if you're including the support library
Jul 14 21:51:13 <JakeWharton> you shouldn't use Notification APIs directly anymore
Jul 14 21:53:55 <bubbleguuum> fucking user 1-starring app because it doesn't run (yet) on Jelly Bean
Jul 14 21:54:29 <bubbleguuum> you'd think they could send an amil instead ? but no. 1 star
Jul 14 21:55:21 <joel135> bubbleguuum: you can still change that person's mind
Jul 14 21:57:21 <bubbleguuum> conslusion: if you app has issues with JB, expect a deluge of 1 stars...
Jul 14 22:00:28 <bubbleguuum> I could use android:maxSdkVersion="15" in the next version of the app just to shut up these idiots
Jul 14 22:02:30 * Jug6ernaut wishes ups shipped on saturday/sunday
Jul 14 22:03:22 <JakeWharton> bubbleguuum: it's your app that's not working. not really their fault they have the latest operating system.
Jul 14 22:04:30 <bubbleguuum> and that's a good reason to 1 star the app of course, especially since once of these geniuses mention it works on older Android versions
Jul 14 22:04:59 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Jul 14 22:05:07 <Jug6ernaut> like ppl need good reasons to one star an app
Jul 14 22:05:10 <JakeWharton> still not seeing where it's the user's fault
Jul 14 22:05:36 <Jug6ernaut> frankly, its NEVER the users fault
Jul 14 22:05:36 <bubbleguuum> It is just the method employed that I do not like
Jul 14 22:05:41 <bubbleguuum> lol
Jul 14 22:05:44 <Jug6ernaut> at least taht should be a developers standpoint
Jul 14 22:05:46 <bubbleguuum> of course, user's always right
Jul 14 22:06:02 <Jug6ernaut> with that said, they are morons ;)
Jul 14 22:06:44 <I440r> im trying to implement something like a toast but NOT a toast.  this myToast or whatever i call it has to only be present within my view, a toast would still be visible if it were displayed and then the user pushed my app to the background... that wuld be wrong
Jul 14 22:06:55 <I440r> also. the location of this toast would be anywhere within my view
Jul 14 22:06:58 <I440r> pretty much
Jul 14 22:07:48 <I440r> also its size would depend on the text... i was thinking of using a 9 patch for this but all the examples ive seen have used xml to define the content of the 9 patch
Jul 14 22:07:57 <I440r> erm. that wont work for me
Jul 14 22:08:02 * Jug6ernaut actually made something like that
Jul 14 22:08:10 * Jug6ernaut still hasnt pushed to opensource :|
Jul 14 22:08:10 <JakeWharton> 9-patches are images, not XML
Jul 14 22:08:35 <I440r> yes but the drawing of a 9 patch uses xml in every example ive seen
Jul 14 22:08:43 <Jug6ernaut> JakeWharton guessing there is still no good way to have project with resources for jars? just library project it?
Jul 14 22:08:46 <JakeWharton> it's just another drawable
Jul 14 22:08:55 <JakeWharton> Jug6ernaut: correct
Jul 14 22:09:06 <I440r> http://developer.android.com/tools/help/draw9patch.html
Jul 14 22:09:42 <I440r> how would i draw a 9 patch that was just large enough to contain "this is a message"  or "This is " on one line "a message" on another
Jul 14 22:09:54 <I440r> and be able to put it in any one of my 11x11 tile locations
Jul 14 22:10:10 <JakeWharton> 9-patches scale automatically to their container
Jul 14 22:10:10 <I440r> what it is going to be used for is chat bubbles over the heads of NPC's
Jul 14 22:10:21 <I440r> "their container"
Jul 14 22:10:32 <I440r> how do i define a container for a 9 patch programatically
Jul 14 22:10:46 <I440r> and the content isnt always going to be a single line of text
Jul 14 22:10:49 <JakeWharton> new TextView()
Jul 14 22:11:00 <I440r> i want to be able to split the text within each chat bubble
Jul 14 22:11:01 <JakeWharton> setBackgroundResource(R.drawable.my_awesome_9_patch)
Jul 14 22:11:11 <Jug6ernaut> same way you define any view
Jul 14 22:11:32 <I440r> i define my views in xml
Jul 14 22:11:41 <I440r> xml will not work for this
Jul 14 22:11:48 <Jug6ernaut> :|
Jul 14 22:12:17 <themirror> I can use setContentView just fine before the xml declaring my custom view, but I can't setContentView after that, even in a runOnUiThread wrapper. It never makes it past the line. And customView.setVisibility(View.GONE) also never returns...
Jul 14 22:12:45 <I440r> JakeWharton, ill take a look at doing something like you just posed here, not sure if this will work for me tho. how do i make the textview fit the text?
Jul 14 22:12:53 <Jug6ernaut> you can not dynamically change the content vieew afaik
Jul 14 22:12:56 <JakeWharton> it does that automatically
Jul 14 22:12:57 <I440r> the text is going to be taken out of a file
Jul 14 22:13:52 <I440r> mc
Jul 14 22:14:44 <Sleepybear> so when trying to load an x86 image with GPU emulation it gets stuck in a boot loop
Jul 14 22:14:45 <Sleepybear> http://pastebin.com/d60WxZDj
Jul 14 22:14:54 <Sleepybear> Seems to be something with an audio driver?
Jul 14 22:15:31 <themirror> anyone?
Jul 14 22:15:44 <I440r> ok but how to i position this new textview?
Jul 14 22:28:04 <bubbleguuum> can the Jelly Bean source be browsed online ?
Jul 14 22:33:13 <JakeWharton> github.com/android
Jul 14 22:33:24 <bubbleguuum> thanks
Jul 14 22:34:47 <I440r> ok i have a textview. it has the backgroundresource set to my .9.png.  im a little confused how im going to set the messages position and display it
Jul 14 22:35:05 <Sleepybear> textview.setText()
Jul 14 22:35:17 <I440r> thers nothing in my layout that describes this because i would need 11x11 layouts.
Jul 14 22:35:22 <Sleepybear> and textview.setGravity() would position the text inside it
Jul 14 22:35:22 <I440r> ive set the text
Jul 14 22:35:27 <I440r> no
Jul 14 22:35:37 <Sleepybear> 11x11 layouts?
Jul 14 22:36:16 <I440r> i have a textview that contains a text message. this message needs to be displayed in one of 121 different possible locations
Jul 14 22:36:32 <themirror> strings.xml
Jul 14 22:36:56 <I440r> can i convert the view to a bitmap iamge? i know how to draw that anywhere in my view
Jul 14 22:37:24 <I440r> the string is not defined in strings.xml. the number of different strings im going to need would make my strings.xml abut 4 gigs in size
Jul 14 22:37:49 <I440r> its a chat bubble thats going to be positioned over the top of an NPC's head
Jul 14 22:38:35 <I440r> how do i draw this textview in my main view at a position thats decied at run time
Jul 14 22:39:07 <jug6-alt> can any1 point me to the 4.1.1 version of Toast.java
Jul 14 22:39:34 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/java/android/widget/Toast.java
Jul 14 22:40:37 <I440r> so how do i draw this chat bubble into my view programatically?
Jul 14 22:41:54 <themirror> I440r: I would make a method displayNPCBubble and pass it whatever in which you invalidate, redraw etc. it can all be programmatically
Jul 14 22:42:03 <themirror> *be done
Jul 14 22:42:10 <themirror> read the docs
Jul 14 22:42:30 <jug6-alt> awesome thx JakeWharton
Jul 14 22:42:43 <I440r> the docs show you how to define the text in xml, put the text at top left. not ANYWHERE in the display
Jul 14 22:43:30 <I440r> i need to set the location of this chat bubble to specific pixle locations
Jul 14 22:45:12 <themirror> I440r: Try the accepted answer? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3093296/android-placing-a-view-in-an-arbitrary-location
Jul 14 22:46:05 <JakeWharton> ew don't do that
Jul 14 22:46:13 <JakeWharton> just use the LayoutParams to position it
Jul 14 22:48:40 <I440r> yea i was kind of cringing at this solution too lol
Jul 14 22:48:57 <I440r> i cannot define ANY of this in xml, it has to all be done at run time
Jul 14 22:49:21 <I440r> problem is, how do i push a textview into my main view at run time at a location i specify?
Jul 14 22:49:23 <Sleepybear> you can define layout params at run time
Jul 14 22:49:43 <I440r> i do not want to overlay a new layout over the top of my existing layout
Jul 14 22:49:45 <Sleepybear> anything you can define in xml you can define at runtime
Jul 14 22:49:47 <I440r> ill bugger it up
Jul 14 22:50:52 <Sleepybear> how are you defining your main view/
Jul 14 22:50:55 <Sleepybear> in xml or code?
Jul 14 22:50:58 <I440r> in xml
Jul 14 22:51:11 <I440r> i think i need to redo it as a gridview, right now its a table
Jul 14 22:51:21 <I440r> which i dont like, its messy as hell
Jul 14 22:51:38 <I440r> well the xml is messy as hell
Jul 14 22:52:46 <caverdude> I started a project to run with the eclipse wizzard but I don't think there is anything to run yet
Jul 14 22:52:54 <caverdude> I guess I need to create  a source file
Jul 14 22:52:58 <caverdude> but thats not in the tutorial
Jul 14 22:53:22 <caverdude> I assume i'm not writing a typical command line hello world app
Jul 14 22:53:22 <I440r> hmm actually only my buttons are being stuffed into a table. my main tile engine is just a view that i cookiecut the tiles into
Jul 14 22:53:34 <I440r> and its here that i want to display the chat bubbles
Jul 14 22:54:02 <bubbleguuum> Does anyone knows if Strict Mode is force enabled with full checks in the JB Developer preview, regardless of what the app set as a policy with StrictMode.setThreadPolicy() ?  It seems to be so in the JB emulator...
Jul 14 22:54:06 <Sleepybear> easiest way to add something to the layout would be to give your root layout an id, use findViewById() then to rootView.add(textview)
Jul 14 22:54:32 <I440r> ok i can do that. but how do i "Add text at specific coordinate within rootView
Jul 14 22:54:47 <Sleepybear> give it layout parameters
Jul 14 22:55:08 <I440r>  
Jul 14 23:03:23 <caverdude> this android app tutorial has me running an app before I have even made one
Jul 14 23:03:38 <caverdude> it doesn't show how to make one before its trying to teach you to run one
Jul 14 23:04:15 <caverdude> or was eclipse supposed to have created some runnable source files when you create the android project?
Jul 14 23:04:19 <I440r> guess i cant call findViewById() from my static method wtf?
Jul 14 23:05:01 <I440r> and actually this needs to be drawn into a canvas not a view
Jul 14 23:05:30 <I440r> how do i draw a 9 patch png with its associated text into a canvas
Jul 14 23:05:40 <I440r> rather into a bitmap
Jul 14 23:06:45 <p_l|backup> caverdude: the generated skeleton is supposed to be runnable
Jul 14 23:07:00 <caverdude> ok
Jul 14 23:07:12 <caverdude> without even one .java source file?
Jul 14 23:07:13 <caverdude> hmm
Jul 14 23:07:16 <caverdude> I see
Jul 14 23:08:15 <I440r> if i have a text string can i determin the pixle with and height of the string ?
Jul 14 23:08:37 <I440r> because if so i can use a NinePatchDrawable maybe
Jul 14 23:11:04 <canvs2321> why not just create a custom view with setting the bubble background and having a textview, then just place that custom view where ever, and set the textview
Jul 14 23:13:18 <I440r> ok that didnt make one iota of sense to me
Jul 14 23:14:46 <Sleepybear> caverdude it created a .java and .xml file for you
Jul 14 23:15:13 <caverdude> thre is nothing in my src folder
Jul 14 23:15:27 <caverdude> I think something when wrong
Jul 14 23:15:33 <Sleepybear> Indeed
Jul 14 23:15:45 <I440r> lol this should be simple, i can see this taking me the entire weekend to get right :/
Jul 14 23:15:54 <I440r> i cannot even see any examples of what im trying to do. not one
Jul 14 23:16:17 <Sleepybear> wherever you set your workspace it should have made a ProjectName/src/com/my/package/MainActivity.java file
Jul 14 23:17:02 <caverdude> whne i go to run an android app in the emulator, what exactly am I running?
Jul 14 23:17:24 <caverdude> a java source file or xml file or what? Im mean what file am I right clicking on?
Jul 14 23:17:51 <ryanm> you're running a .apk file that gets copied over to and installed on the emulator
Jul 14 23:18:06 <ryanm> compiled from the java source + any resources in your application
Jul 14 23:18:18 <Sleepybear> caverdude eclipse will compile the java and resources into a .apk file
Jul 14 23:18:23 <Sleepybear> that it installs onto the emulator
Jul 14 23:18:36 <Sleepybear> or... what ryanm just said
Jul 14 23:18:47 <caverdude> so I right click the .apk file and select run as android app?
Jul 14 23:18:54 <Sleepybear> No
Jul 14 23:18:57 <Sleepybear> use eclipse
Jul 14 23:19:00 <Sleepybear> there is a run at the top
Jul 14 23:19:04 <caverdude> that is in eclipse?
Jul 14 23:19:22 <Sleepybear> there is a green play button at the top
Jul 14 23:19:23 <Sleepybear> that is run
Jul 14 23:19:33 <Sleepybear> you maybe have to set up the android run configuration
Jul 14 23:20:01 <Sleepybear> if you want to compile without eclipse you need to install ant
Jul 14 23:20:02 <caverdude> ok I see it now, I'm running a lundar lander demo
Jul 14 23:21:46 <I440r> can anyone point me to any exmple code that draws a 9.png into a bitmap?
Jul 14 23:22:05 <I440r> i.e. programatically constructs the contents of the 9.png and draws it into the bitmap/canvas?
Jul 14 23:22:27 <I440r> im finding lots and lots and lots of examples of how i dont want to do this
Jul 14 23:24:50 <I440r> :/
Jul 14 23:27:20 <I440r> i need to create 9 patch drawable that contains text i specify at run time. i cannot see any examples of how to stuff text into a .9.png
Jul 14 23:27:40 <I440r> i need it to be a drawable, not a view
Jul 14 23:28:13 <JakeWharton> a 9-patch is a drawable
Jul 14 23:28:26 <Sleepybear> He wants to lay text ontop of the 9 patch
Jul 14 23:28:30 <Sleepybear> at run time
Jul 14 23:28:33 <I440r> yes
Jul 14 23:28:35 <Sleepybear> but not have it be a view
Jul 14 23:28:41 <Sleepybear> which seems pretty silly
Jul 14 23:28:46 <Sleepybear> why not just make it a custom view?
Jul 14 23:29:02 <I440r> because i will need 121 views
Jul 14 23:29:13 <I440r> im not creating 121 views in xml
Jul 14 23:29:18 <Sleepybear> Sounds like a job for an adapter view
Jul 14 23:29:22 <Sleepybear> so don't
Jul 14 23:29:23 <JakeWharton> 1 view + loop
Jul 14 23:29:25 <Sleepybear> use code
Jul 14 23:29:53 <Sleepybear> hrm... why is my graph not showing up anymore
Jul 14 23:29:55 <I440r> i would like to just stuff a bitmap that i constructed with "this text" and that .9.png over there into my bitmap/canvas
Jul 14 23:30:43 <I440r> i cannot find any complete examples of how to push a 9.patch "View" or bitmap or anything else into my canvas
Jul 14 23:30:51 <Sleepybear> pfn_ *poke*
Jul 14 23:30:52 <I440r> i have a canvas/bitmap.
Jul 14 23:31:10 <I440r> i would like to construct a little chat bubble at run tine and stuff it into that canvas
Jul 14 23:31:21 <themirror> I can call setContentView multiple times without problems if they only contain standard Android Views, but when I setContentView to a layout with my custom view (SurfaceView), I can no longer do this. I get no errors, the method just never returns. Has anyone else run into this kind of thing?
Jul 14 23:31:38 <zinx> I440r: you never cease to amaze me... you can change what text is in a TextView at run time, you don't need 121 different views for it.
Jul 14 23:31:43 <I440r> i cant even find any examples of how to construct a ninepatch drawable at runtime that contains text thats defined at runtime
Jul 14 23:31:59 <zinx> why do you need to construct it at run-time?
Jul 14 23:32:14 <I440r> zinx i have 121 different locations (potentially) that it would need to be displayed at
Jul 14 23:32:38 <zinx> what are you trying to do?
Jul 14 23:32:44 <I440r> zinx its a chat bubble to be displayed over the top of an NPC. each npc is going to have abouyt 4k ish of things it can say
Jul 14 23:32:52 <Sleepybear> and why are you not just using a text view with your 9patch set as the background?
Jul 14 23:33:08 <Sleepybear> and creating how ever many you need with the text?
Jul 14 23:33:09 <I440r> how do i stuff that into my bitmap
Jul 14 23:33:17 <Sleepybear> why does it need to go into a bitmap/
Jul 14 23:33:26 <zinx> you can place and/or hide/unhide views at run-time as well
Jul 14 23:33:49 <zinx> there's nothing static about them
Jul 14 23:34:38 <I440r> zinx i can place my "view" at a specific pixle location?
Jul 14 23:34:39 <I440r> at run time?
Jul 14 23:34:46 <I440r> that sounds a bit iffy to me
Jul 14 23:34:46 <Sleepybear> yes
Jul 14 23:35:00 <Sleepybear> why does that sound iffy?
Jul 14 23:35:06 <I440r> is a views location not defined by its parent?
Jul 14 23:35:09 <JakeWharton> that's exactly what inflating an XML view does
Jul 14 23:35:19 <zinx> I440r: yes, you can
Jul 14 23:35:32 <zinx> I440r: and it's not even a little bit iffy
Jul 14 23:36:23 <I440r> ok. so i create a TextView v = new Textview(myContext) and set its background to my 9.png and its text to whatever
Jul 14 23:37:01 <I440r> i have a view that i cookycut tiles into. i have multiple zoom levels from 5x5 tiles to 11x11 tiles in this same window
Jul 14 23:37:17 <I440r> i need to position an npc's chat bubble over its head
Jul 14 23:37:51 <themirror> I440r: use padding in the LayoutParams
Jul 14 23:38:15 <I440r> im drawing the tiles as 72x72 rects into my tileView which is just a bitmap/canvas that i let android scale into the display
Jul 14 23:38:48 <caverdude> 8 minutes my ass... there is some kind of version problems even getting started
Jul 14 23:39:11 <I440r> this is getting fscked up inside my head. how would i define two separate views to be in the same location?
Jul 14 23:39:11 <caverdude> I think I need to unitsll the plugins and reinstall it again
Jul 14 23:39:37 <I440r> im NOT screwing with my tileView - i just want to overlay it with the chat bubble
Jul 14 23:40:32 <I440r> this is much easier for me to visualize as a bitmap that i stuff into my view
Jul 14 23:41:09 <I440r> that i stuff into my canvas..
Jul 14 23:41:29 * clayjar greets everyone in the room, including the sleeping ones.
Jul 14 23:42:06 <clayjar> Just a quick question: can you use an AVD to learn to program ARM (in assembly) ?
Jul 14 23:42:57 <I440r> clayjar android does not lend itself to doing ANYTHING in pure arm assembly at all... you will find it to be a major pita doing native devel for anything other than some library
Jul 14 23:43:00 <I440r> and doing it in C
Jul 14 23:43:16 <clayjar> I know iOS emulator compiles in native x86 code... so I don't think you could do it.. but I know AVD to be a better emulator...
Jul 14 23:43:18 <I440r> not impossible... just a pita
Jul 14 23:43:36 <themirror> I440r: use LayoutParam's padding and use setVisibility or remove as needed
Jul 14 23:44:39 <I440r> themirror actualy thers another problem. i need to calculate the "padding" x/y coordinate at runtime for each tile... i cannot have a bunch of turned off views in xml for each tile location
Jul 14 23:44:41 <clayjar> I440r: thanks.
Jul 14 23:45:11 <I440r> because the real pixle sizes of my tiles will depend on the dimensions of the display and the current zoom level of the view
Jul 14 23:45:25 <I440r> so this got more complificated
Jul 14 23:45:39 <I440r> a bubble in approx the right place would be fine
Jul 14 23:45:59 <clayjar> I440r: So to clarify, you are saying it's possible but very inconvenient.  Which aspect of inconvenience are you referring to?  Is it very slow?  ?
Jul 14 23:46:10 <I440r> but i cant draw the chat bubble into the bitmap afterall because thats going to be scaled into the display by android
Jul 14 23:46:40 <I440r> clayjar, try pretty much Z E R O documentation on how to write any REAL native apps in assembler for android
Jul 14 23:46:54 <I440r> good luck figuring out how to reference all those system calls
Jul 14 23:47:03 <I440r> and interfacing with the JNI from assembler? rotsa rukk
Jul 14 23:47:39 <I440r> i can see scaled text turning into an unreadable mess
Jul 14 23:48:01 <clayjar> I440r, er... http://www.ee.ic.ac.uk/pcheung/teaching/ee2_computing/arm/Refman.pdf ?
Jul 14 23:49:29 <I440r> dont have a pdf reader right now, im going to guess thats an ARM reference, not an android native app reference giving you info on how to make system calls from asm or reference java stuff from asm...
Jul 14 23:49:35 <zinx> clayjar: you /can/ learn to program ARM in assembly, but note that the OS syscall methods are all different
Jul 14 23:49:49 <zinx> clayjar: and Android in particular has a lot of stuff that has to pass through Java.
Jul 14 23:49:53 <I440r> also im getting a whopping 3k download per second on my 4g phone
Jul 14 23:49:57 <themirror> I440r: No, I mean you can use the calculated x,y padding and set the tile location with LayoutParams...
Jul 14 23:50:09 <I440r> everyone round here is getting crap download rates with 4g
Jul 14 23:50:10 <clayjar> zinx & I440r: thanks you guys helped me to give me a general idea of what AVD is capable of. Thanks.
Jul 14 23:51:10 <I440r> themirror, i have a bitmap thats 72*11 wide and 72*11 high.... i cookiecut my tiles into this... this is then drawn into my view and is thus scaled to fit the display by android
Jul 14 23:51:27 <zinx> clayjar: note that the AVD itself does just emulate a phone - you could make your own OS instead of using one of the Android images
Jul 14 23:51:30 <I440r> how do i reliably calculate what the pixle coordinates of each tile is ?
Jul 14 23:51:37 <I440r> i dont think it will be trivial
Jul 14 23:51:52 <I440r> it will depend on how android scaled the source image
Jul 14 23:52:15 <I440r> it might be better if i made my tileview a gridview and pushed one tile into each location of the grid instead
Jul 14 23:52:26 <I440r> but even then thats not going to help me position my chat bubble
Jul 14 23:52:38 <I440r> and i dont like that idea anyway
Jul 14 23:52:53 <themirror> I440r: It is trivial. Look into DisplayMetrics.
Jul 14 23:54:37 <I440r> erm. can i get the displaymetrics of a single view in my layout?
Jul 14 23:54:41 <I440r> not of the entire display?
Jul 14 23:54:50 <zinx> lol
Jul 14 23:55:08 <themirror> Well buddy
Jul 14 23:55:20 <I440r> this also still does not give me any clue how to determin the pixle locations of each tile AFTER scaling
Jul 14 23:55:34 <themirror> If u know the pixel size, you can attach that to a reference size
Jul 14 23:55:36 <themirror> and scale the actual display size
Jul 14 23:55:48 <themirror> to keep track of scaling there..
Jul 14 23:56:32 <I440r> ok my source tiles are always 72x72. i will have either 5x5, 7x7, 9x9, 11x11 tiles in my view.
Jul 14 23:57:30 <themirror> Sure. Let's say I want to fit 6 boxes into 480 pixels. To determine how these fit on an arbitrary screen size, I can grab the DisplayMetrics width and height and divide it by the reference pixels I use for fitting 6 boxes.
Jul 14 23:57:33 <I440r> dividing the pixle dimensions of the target display by 5/7/9/11 in both x/y will give me an approx location for the bubble
Jul 14 23:57:47 <themirror> Just pick a reference!
Jul 14 23:58:06 <I440r> themirror problem is im not drawing them into the entire display. i have a window that the get drawn into. i need to know the pixle dimensions of that window
Jul 14 23:58:08 <I440r> that view
Jul 14 23:58:36 <I440r> i can get that info? i can FUDGE the scaling because the chat bubble doesnt need to be positioned exactly over the npc's tile
Jul 14 23:58:54 <I440r> i have to be dynamic with its positioning based on its content anyway...
Jul 14 23:59:06 <themirror> Ok but they are 72x72 dip? Because if there's any Bitmap stuff going on, you're necessarily using a given density etc
Jul 15 00:00:11 <I440r> my source tiles are all 72x72 pixles. i have a bitmap resource thats 11x72 pixles wide/tall. i cooiecut the tiles into this bitmap using source/destination rectangles
Jul 15 00:01:12 <I440r> then when the entire x*y grid of tiles is complete i cookiecut that into my destination view using source and destination rectangles. i let android do the scaling there
Jul 15 00:01:34 <I440r> however big my view is.. scale this rectangular piece of this bitmap into it
Jul 15 00:01:59 <I440r> hrm which implies i must know the pixle dimensions of the target view at run time...
Jul 15 00:02:31 <I440r> ok.. so i guess i CAN determin the approx pixle coords of where i want the bubble to go.
Jul 15 00:02:52 <I440r> erm. still not sure how to stuff a textview into my main view programatically tho
Jul 15 00:03:55 <I440r> view targetView = findViewById(R.Id.myView);  and TextView v = new Textview(blah blah). set the textviews content etc etc...
Jul 15 00:04:05 <I440r> how do i display the textview into myView ?
Jul 15 00:04:10 <I440r> programatically
Jul 15 00:04:44 <I440r> the textview has to be positioned in the same location as myView, i.e. it has to have the same parent and they must overlay each other
Jul 15 00:04:58 <I440r> i then as directed set the padding on the textview to position it
Jul 15 00:05:01 <themirror> I440r: Yes by using LayoutParams padding. You just add it. The rest is proportions. You just ask for the width of things and scale according to your reference size. Make a unitless scaling factor -- I don't know how to explain it better, but it worked for me in my game
Jul 15 00:05:17 <I440r> no. the bubble must not be scaled
Jul 15 00:05:33 <I440r> well.. erm i guess it has to be
Jul 15 00:05:51 <themirror> I think you'd have better luck if you asked fewer, more specific questions about the api
Jul 15 00:06:19 <I440r> yea i dont know enough about any of the android api's to be able to even THINK android yet lol
Jul 15 00:06:31 <mobilegamelabs> finally i have made a youtube trailer for my game....
Jul 15 00:06:44 <I440r> so constructing a question based on android api's might be difficult atm :)
Jul 15 00:07:19 <I440r> ok. so i have two views... one is described in my xml. the other is NOT
Jul 15 00:07:29 <canadiancow> bah just found a huge annoyance in google now
Jul 15 00:07:40 <canadiancow> for travel times, you can choose driving xor public transit
Jul 15 00:07:44 <I440r> how do i make themboth occupy the same location. how do i attach this view to the same parent as the one described in xml?
Jul 15 00:07:48 <themirror> I440r: I know what you mean I got started with Android 2 months ago and there could be a little more documentation imo, but oh well
Jul 15 00:07:55 <canadiancow> which is great until you, say, use one mode of transportation on one day and another on another
Jul 15 00:08:53 <themirror> I440r: You can use findViewById on the layout, just give the layout an id in the xml
Jul 15 00:09:23 <I440r> i have an ID on the tileView i wish to superimpose the new programtically constructed view onto
Jul 15 00:10:19 <I440r> i have two views, one is constructed at run time programatically. the other has an R.id that i can findViewById()
Jul 15 00:10:41 <I440r> how do i attach the programatically created view to the same parent as the one i just found by resource id?
Jul 15 00:10:49 <themirror> i know its possible somehow, im just not the expert
Jul 15 00:10:49 <themirror> I440r: As for your first question, I haven't spent enough time with it, but you could try setVisibility(View.GONE) to turn off one and you may be able to put in same location
Jul 15 00:11:14 <I440r> themirror, im not turn ing off either of them
Jul 15 00:11:19 <themirror> addView
Jul 15 00:11:19 <themirror> use layoutParams first
Jul 15 00:11:24 <I440r> im turning one of them on for a short duration
Jul 15 00:11:31 <themirror> params = new RelativeLayout.LayoutParams(30, 40); params.leftMargin = 50; params.topMargin = 60; rl.addView(iv, params);
Jul 15 00:11:43 <I440r> erm no
Jul 15 00:11:46 <I440r> that doesnt help me
Jul 15 00:12:04 <I440r> my tileView has a parent. i need my constructed textView to have the same parent
Jul 15 00:12:34 <I440r> i.e. their top left corners have to be in exactly exactly exactly the same location. i just set padding on the textview to position it
Jul 15 00:12:55 <themirror> that's just an example
Jul 15 00:13:07 <I440r> how do i attach a programatically constructed view to one thats described in my layout xml
Jul 15 00:13:33 <themirror> you might have to use additional and/or nested layouts to make it work
Jul 15 00:13:53 <themirror> but you can addView and removeView
Jul 15 00:13:57 <I440r> themirror im not fucking with my existing xml layouts one iota
Jul 15 00:14:07 <Jabo> evening
Jul 15 00:14:07 <I440r> it took me a MONTH to get that shit working right
Jul 15 00:14:22 <I440r> and im dreading having to change it in any way shape or form
Jul 15 00:14:46 <I440r> i need to stuff my new view into the existing layout at run time WITHOUT chainging the layout xml in any way
Jul 15 00:15:06 <ryanm> if I may ask...why do you need to do this?
Jul 15 00:15:19 <themirror> (RelativeLayout) findViewById(com.mysite.mygame.R.id.myRelLayout).addView(tempView, params)
Jul 15 00:15:51 <ryanm> as far as I can tell, what themirror is suggesting is correct
Jul 15 00:16:01 <themirror> er paren beofre and after
Jul 15 00:17:19 <I440r> no this is screwing my brain big time
Jul 15 00:17:43 <I440r> gimme a min. going to try to code it
Jul 15 00:18:19 <Jabo> do many of you guys freelance?
Jul 15 00:19:41 <canadiancow> so i need to go to an apple store tomorrow to get my mbp fixed. what shirt should i wear? "My Android Eats Apples" ?
Jul 15 00:20:04 <Jabo> i like it
Jul 15 00:20:06 <I440r> (RelativeLayout)findViewById(R.id.tileView)  this has no .addView() method
Jul 15 00:20:24 <canadiancow> I440r several suggestions1
Jul 15 00:20:34 <canadiancow> 1. cast it to ViewGroup, not RelativeLayout
Jul 15 00:20:42 <canadiancow> 2. split each statement into multiple lines, rather than chaining
Jul 15 00:21:01 <canadiancow> so you end up with ViewGroup wahtever = (ViewGroup) findViewById(R.id.tileView); whatever.addView(whatever);
Jul 15 00:21:12 <ryanm> I440r: wrap that whole statement in parentheses
Jul 15 00:21:14 <I440r> i always avoid compound statements i was just making it easier to typ here :)
Jul 15 00:21:27 <fitzpantson> canadiancow, re: 1 -- What's the benefit of using ViewGroup?
Jul 15 00:21:34 <ryanm> canadiancow: casting to RelativeLayout should still work
Jul 15 00:21:40 <canadiancow> if you change it in xml to a LinearLayout in a month, it doesnt break your code ;)
Jul 15 00:21:45 <canadiancow> ryanm, yes, but see above :P
Jul 15 00:21:49 <fitzpantson> right on
Jul 15 00:21:50 <ryanm> very true
Jul 15 00:21:53 <ryanm> good point
Jul 15 00:22:20 <canadiancow> i cannot count how many times ive modified layotus, and had classcastexceptions because people decided to use very concrete classes in the cast, even if all they're doing is setting an onclicklistener or something :P
Jul 15 00:22:37 <fitzpantson> What if you're using layout parameters for a specific layout type?
Jul 15 00:23:19 <canadiancow> give me an example
Jul 15 00:23:21 <I440r> ok erm. what do i need to import to have ViewGroup ?
Jul 15 00:23:30 <canadiancow> ctrl/cmd shift o
Jul 15 00:23:38 <canadiancow> or is it without the shift
Jul 15 00:23:40 <canadiancow> i can never remember
Jul 15 00:23:45 <fitzpantson> like if I add some layout parameters to a layout programatically
Jul 15 00:23:54 <I440r> i dont use eclipse
Jul 15 00:23:54 <fitzpantson> and I use RelativeLayout.LayoutParams
Jul 15 00:24:06 <canadiancow> view.setLayoutParams(new RelativeLayout.LayoutParams()) works fine
Jul 15 00:24:10 <I440r> i would not use eclipse if both bill gates and george soros offered me their entire personal fortunes to do so
Jul 15 00:24:40 <Jabo> what do you use?
Jul 15 00:24:47 <I440r> Idea
Jul 15 00:25:00 <canadiancow> im sure it has an "organize imports" or similar function
Jul 15 00:25:05 <I440r> it does
Jul 15 00:25:08 <canadiancow> so...
Jul 15 00:25:12 <canadiancow> where's the issue then
Jul 15 00:25:13 <I440r> it does not know what to import for viewgroup tho
Jul 15 00:25:18 <canadiancow> then it's stupid
Jul 15 00:25:23 <canadiancow> and you should get a better ide
Jul 15 00:25:26 <I440r> or im doing something wrong
Jul 15 00:25:31 <I440r> more likely
Jul 15 00:25:34 <ryanm> also, d.android.com has a perfectly functional search :-)
Jul 15 00:25:34 <canadiancow> lol
Jul 15 00:25:40 <canadiancow> if i were to guess
Jul 15 00:25:45 <canadiancow> it would be android.view.ViewGroup
Jul 15 00:25:47 <I440r> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/ViewGroup.html
Jul 15 00:25:51 * canadiancow wins :)
Jul 15 00:25:54 <I440r> does not tell me what to import
Jul 15 00:25:59 <canadiancow> err
Jul 15 00:26:00 <canadiancow> yes it does?
Jul 15 00:26:05 <ryanm> ...import android.view.ViewGroup?
Jul 15 00:26:06 <canadiancow> the URL tells you what to import
Jul 15 00:26:12 <ryanm> I don't understand the question...
Jul 15 00:26:24 <I440r> oh i didnt know that lol
Jul 15 00:26:28 <I440r> but yes so it does :)
Jul 15 00:26:55 <ryanm> even then, near the top of the page it says it
Jul 15 00:28:17 <jayd16> hey, whats the best way to know when the softkeyboard opens or closes?  I'd like android to keep doing its thing with the config changes but I want to basically know when the keyboard is open or closed
Jul 15 00:31:19 <ryanm> jayd16: at least as of may 2009, that's impossible, according to https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-developers/0xiQFYYxMgQ
Jul 15 00:31:29 <canadiancow> may 2009
Jul 15 00:31:33 <canadiancow> was cupcake even out then? :P
Jul 15 00:31:54 <canadiancow> oh it was, but just barely
Jul 15 00:32:03 <ryanm> yep :-) pre-donut
Jul 15 00:32:19 <ryanm> I'm not exactly sure if it's possible now
Jul 15 00:34:53 <themirror> jayd16: you might be able to accomplish what you need with onWindowFocusChanged(boolean hasFocus)
Jul 15 00:35:27 <caverdude> ok I go throught motions of starting an android project, it gets to the finsih, It does a progress bar and sits there doing nothing waiting on me to hit finish again?
Jul 15 00:35:34 <caverdude> I hit finish and nothing
Jul 15 00:35:39 <canadiancow> actually fitzpantson, there was a better answer to that layoutparams stuff.  the layoutparams object you set on a view needs to match the type of its parent
Jul 15 00:35:44 <caverdude> still stiting there waiting on me to hit finish
Jul 15 00:35:57 <canadiancow> so you might set a RelativeLayout.LayoutParams object on a LinearLayout if it's in a RelativeLayout
Jul 15 00:36:03 <ryanm> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/res/Configuration.html#keyboardHidden
Jul 15 00:36:06 <ryanm> try that
Jul 15 00:36:25 <caverdude> its not going to allow me to select non for navigation type
Jul 15 00:36:31 <caverdude> if I try it says I need sdk 14
Jul 15 00:36:41 <caverdude> I'm trying to write the app for andriod 3 not 4
Jul 15 00:36:42 <I440r> nope i cannot call findViewById within a static method
Jul 15 00:36:47 <ryanm> myActivity.getResources().getConfiguration() will get you a Configuration object
Jul 15 00:37:31 <jayd16> I've played with the config change stuff and it doesn't seem to fire the callback on keyboard open
Jul 15 00:38:00 <ryanm> I440r: what?  yes you can, you just need an instance of an Activity
Jul 15 00:38:30 <I440r> define "an instance of an activity"
Jul 15 00:38:31 <caverdude> why won't it finsih the new app setup?
Jul 15 00:38:32 <I440r> a context?
Jul 15 00:38:45 <ryanm> an object of type Activity
Jul 15 00:39:01 <I440r> erm.
Jul 15 00:39:17 <I440r> i have AN activity. this isnt being drawn into an activity
Jul 15 00:39:24 <I440r> its being drawn into a view
Jul 15 00:39:32 <caverdude> 8 mins ya sure
Jul 15 00:39:40 <I440r> brb
Jul 15 00:39:42 <ryanm> which is...somehow not in an activity?
Jul 15 00:39:49 <ryanm> that sounds unlikely
Jul 15 00:39:53 <caverdude> I'll see you guys in 8 days maybe i'll have a hello world app installed and working
Jul 15 00:40:03 <canadiancow|work> lol
Jul 15 00:40:04 <canadiancow|work> wat
Jul 15 00:40:16 <canadiancow|work> file->new android project->ok->ok and you have a hello world app :S
Jul 15 00:43:51 <I440r> i have a tileView defined in my layout. im doing findViewById(R.id.tileView)
Jul 15 00:44:14 <I440r> but i cannot do that from within a static method
Jul 15 00:44:35 <I440r> its saying you cannot reference findViewById() from wtihin a static method
Jul 15 00:45:17 <I440r> non static method 'findViewById(int)' cannot be referenced from a static context
Jul 15 00:45:28 <ryanm> as you've been told before, findViewById is an instance method and therefore needs to be called on an instance of the class it's called on
Jul 15 00:45:29 <themirror> I440r: that's correct. static means it does not depend on any particular instance, which findViewById necessarily does
Jul 15 00:45:44 <I440r> then i cant use it
Jul 15 00:45:50 <I440r> because this method is static
Jul 15 00:45:54 <I440r> and cannot be non static
Jul 15 00:46:09 <themirror> no, you need to un-static something
Jul 15 00:46:12 <themirror> as in don't declare it static method
Jul 15 00:46:28 <I440r> the method is static.
Jul 15 00:46:47 <I440r> i cant think im starved. i need to eat. :/
Jul 15 00:47:00 <I440r> this method is static, it cannot be non static.
Jul 15 00:47:27 <SimonVT> Touch luck
Jul 15 00:47:38 <SimonVT> g*
Jul 15 00:47:41 <SimonVT> No views for you
Jul 15 00:49:46 <I440r> i have views
Jul 15 00:51:16 <themirror> I440r: If there's one thing I learned about programming, its that coding it perfectly is 5 factorizations away from usable
Jul 15 00:51:49 <I440r> im not after perfection
Jul 15 00:52:00 <I440r> but this method is static. no if. no and. no but
Jul 15 00:52:01 <I440r> its static
Jul 15 00:52:20 <ryanm> You may also want consider reading a Java tutorial that will explain the concepts of when you can and cannot call non-static methods, as the issue you're running into is a Java issue, not an Android issue.
Jul 15 00:52:27 <ryanm> *want to, sorry
Jul 15 00:52:31 <canadiancow|work> why cant it be non static?
Jul 15 00:53:33 <I440r> why would a resource that i know exists in my drawable, that i KNOW has a resource id in R.java not be visible to me?
Jul 15 00:54:38 <canadiancow|work> wrong import?
Jul 15 00:54:48 <themirror> I440r: So you can quick change on the fly something declared in xml, it's pretty convenient
Jul 15 00:55:53 <ryanm> canadiancow|work: I'm pretty sure it's because he's trying to call findViewById from a static method on a subclass of Activity
Jul 15 00:56:25 <canadiancow|work> oh
Jul 15 00:56:29 <I440r> i have a 9 path called bubble.9.png.  i see in R.java a public static final int bubble=xxxxxx;
Jul 15 00:56:31 <canadiancow|work> so make it non static
Jul 15 00:57:19 <I440r> i have a Textview tv = new TextView(blah lah); and am trying to do tv.setBackgroundResource(R.id.bubble)
Jul 15 00:57:23 <I440r> bubble is not visible here
Jul 15 00:57:30 <I440r> cannot resolve that reference
Jul 15 00:57:50 <ryanm> oh, yeah, canadiancow|work was right then, you have a bad import
Jul 15 00:58:17 <ryanm> errrr wait
Jul 15 00:58:42 <I440r> R.id.everything-else is visible
Jul 15 00:58:45 <I440r> just not bubble
Jul 15 00:59:01 <ryanm> it should be r.drawable. not r.id
Jul 15 00:59:25 <canadiancow|work> lol
Jul 15 00:59:52 <I440r> ugh yea duh
Jul 15 00:59:56 <I440r> nub mistake
Jul 15 01:02:08 <f2prateek> Anybody familiar with the "unavailable shared library com.google.android.maps; failing!" even when manifest is specified is as "<uses-library
Jul 15 01:02:08 <f2prateek>             android:name="com.google.android.maps"
Jul 15 01:02:08 <f2prateek>             android:required="false" />"
Jul 15 01:04:12 <ryanm> f2prateek: is this on the emulator?
Jul 15 01:05:22 <f2prateek> yeah, i know it requires google apis
Jul 15 01:06:07 <f2prateek> but with the android:required="false" i thought it would work even on non google api versions
Jul 15 01:08:30 <noslen_ramingo> Hey. does anyone know if there's a way to pass more than one constraint to a Filter?
Jul 15 01:08:39 <f2prateek> i'm already handling the case where if the deviec doesnt have maps api, it wil ldisplay somehting else
Jul 15 01:09:47 <ryanm> I've never actually used the APIs myself, so I'm not exactly sure
Jul 15 01:10:07 <caverdude> lol I tried to setup an example class and eclipse is reporting String canot be resolved or is not a type
Jul 15 01:10:18 <caverdude> to a type
Jul 15 01:10:26 <ryanm> caverdude: that's a pretty common issue
Jul 15 01:10:48 <caverdude> common to android development?
Jul 15 01:10:49 <ryanm> it generally means you need to point eclipse to your Android SDK installation
Jul 15 01:10:50 <caverdude> hmm
Jul 15 01:11:05 <caverdude> that doesn't happen when you install sdk?
Jul 15 01:11:08 <caverdude> ok
Jul 15 01:11:26 <ryanm> go to Window > Preferences > Android and set the SDK Location
Jul 15 01:12:25 <caverdude> ok I thought I had done that once
Jul 15 01:12:35 <caverdude> but  Installed sdk 4 so maybe i needed to do it again
Jul 15 01:14:54 <caverdude> that didn't help
Jul 15 01:15:11 <themirror> can someone take a quick look? The layout from which this is called works fine with a custom view com.mysite.mygame.TouchPanel defined in xml http://pastebin.com/BEQdQQ3n
Jul 15 01:15:34 <themirror> the second Log.d does not report
Jul 15 01:16:38 <f2prateek> only the second? you mean both second and third right?
Jul 15 01:17:25 <f2prateek> dont you have to manually trigger the run? not too familiar with this but thats how threads work right
Jul 15 01:17:29 <themirror> yes, sorry. the third does not report
Jul 15 01:17:34 <themirror> 1 and 2 do
Jul 15 01:18:24 <themirror> f2prateek: with runOnUiThread, it's run automatically. Logs 1 and 2 report, never the 3rd
Jul 15 01:18:38 <caverdude> am I setting the sdk location for the root folder of the sdk installation?
Jul 15 01:18:46 <ryanm> caverdude: yes
Jul 15 01:18:51 <caverdude> its not working
Jul 15 01:18:55 <caverdude> still got the error
Jul 15 01:19:01 <caverdude> it was already set to that
Jul 15 01:19:14 <ryanm> when you're in the android preferences window, is there a list of targets?
Jul 15 01:19:35 <ryanm> more importantly, is your application's target API in that list?
Jul 15 01:19:38 <caverdude> yes
Jul 15 01:19:48 <caverdude> I suppose I have 3.0 and 4.0
Jul 15 01:20:33 <caverdude> it doesnt matter what I select
Jul 15 01:20:49 <ryanm> what does your application target?
Jul 15 01:22:17 <caverdude> 3 I guess my phone is android 3
Jul 15 01:22:27 <caverdude> thats what I wanted it to target
Jul 15 01:22:53 <ryanm> your phone is not Android 3, only tablets run android 3
Jul 15 01:23:09 <caverdude> the sales man said my phone is android 3
Jul 15 01:23:48 <caverdude> is there a way on the phone that I can tell?
Jul 15 01:23:53 <ryanm> yes
Jul 15 01:24:09 <ryanm> in the settings, go to About Phone and look for "android version":
Jul 15 01:24:40 <caverdude> 2.3.4
Jul 15 01:25:11 <ryanm> alright, you're running Gingerbread then.  you'll want to target Android 2.3 or lower to have it run on your phone
Jul 15 01:25:15 <caverdude> maybe its an android 2 then and he lied to me
Jul 15 01:25:21 <caverdude> oh ok
Jul 15 01:25:56 * ryanm is actually heading to dinner at the moment
Jul 15 01:29:18 <JakeWharton> Can I use a ViewAnimator in a widget?
Jul 15 01:29:23 <JakeWharton> or rather, a ViewFlipper
Jul 15 01:30:21 <JakeWharton> it seems to be supported...
Jul 15 01:30:45 <JakeWharton> ah whoops, totally looking at the wrong documentation. it's totally supported
Jul 15 01:32:47 <caverdude> what I probably need to do which I don't have the luxury of right now is to installed java, eclipse, adt plugin, and sdk etc on a different system and then try again
Jul 15 01:33:02 <Jug6ernaut> is it possible to check for permissions from an code?
Jul 15 01:34:32 <JakeWharton> why? they're known at compile-time?
Jul 15 01:34:41 <JakeWharton> second sentence wasn't a question
Jul 15 01:34:59 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Jul 15 01:40:09 <jessicajames> Is it possible to change the minSdkVersion but still use the Holo theme?
Jul 15 01:42:20 <p_l|backup> jessicajames: yes. Use your own theme, then provide two variants of it depending on platform version, one that inherits from normal platform skin and one from holo (set available from 11 and up)
Jul 15 01:42:30 <p_l|backup> you can also use this method to port Holo ;)
Jul 15 01:43:00 <jessicajames> p_l|backup, good :) is there an easy way to do this? I don't want to make my 'own' theme...
Jul 15 01:44:11 <p_l|backup> jessicajames: I believe you can simply "inherit" from a base theme
Jul 15 01:45:28 <p_l|backup> yep, you can specify a parent
Jul 15 01:46:00 <p_l|backup> so just make two dummy styles that specify as parent the appropriate styles, then use resource provisioning to automatically select them
Jul 15 01:54:02 <I440r> from the google docs i cannot see any way to programtically add padding to either a viewgroup or a textview
Jul 15 01:54:07 <themirror> is there anything I need to know about SurfaceView or custom views extending SurfaceView and setContentView? I am running this on the UIThread.
Jul 15 01:54:16 <I440r> its the textview i need to pad anyway
Jul 15 01:56:09 <I440r> how do i add padding to a textview programatically :(
Jul 15 01:56:30 <I440r> this is pissing me off. theres fucking gigs and gigs of interleated api shit you have to know backwards just to do a fucking hello world app
Jul 15 01:56:53 <jessicajames> Is there some place that shows the official number of android users?
Jul 15 01:57:44 <jasta> like, as a raw number?  why would that be useful? :)
Jul 15 01:58:48 <I440r> given a TextView tv;  how do i add padding to the top and left of this textview so i can position it
Jul 15 01:58:59 <I440r> programaticaly. thers no xml at all for this view
Jul 15 01:59:12 <I440r> its entirely constructed with stuff thats not known till runtime
Jul 15 01:59:28 <jasta> I440r: sounds like you want a custom layout.
Jul 15 01:59:33 <jasta> also, avoiding XML is silly.  in every case, silly.
Jul 15 02:00:24 <jasta> it only seems like the right thing to do when you don't understand all the tools available :)
Jul 15 02:00:30 <droidbuster> has anybody had a problem exporting an app where everything compiles correctly but it exports no icon so you cant upload the app to the market ?
Jul 15 02:01:13 <droidbuster> no errors just warnings it contains sound files in the app but it should not be a problem i have tried known working app icons from other apps to no avail
Jul 15 02:02:20 <droidbuster> and where to look in the compiler logs for any tips that i can find
Jul 15 02:03:19 <jasta> have you looked at what was packaged (unzip -t and/or aapt dump badging?)
Jul 15 02:03:30 <jasta> perhaps what is there might help you understand what happened
Jul 15 02:04:09 <droidbuster> i will have to read up on that and check how to do it
Jul 15 02:04:10 <lasserix> l44r you have to use layout params
Jul 15 02:04:29 <lasserix> for margins, i can't remember if padding is within the view
Jul 15 02:04:29 <jasta> lasserix: you don't, actually.
Jul 15 02:04:38 <lasserix> really?
Jul 15 02:04:47 <jasta> yes, did you not understand my suggestion to him?
Jul 15 02:05:11 <lasserix> Oh yeah, I mean if he doesn't want to do it via XML
Jul 15 02:05:19 <jasta> ...what?
Jul 15 02:05:25 <jasta> my suggestion was to use a layout
Jul 15 02:05:31 <jasta> a custom layout, specifically
Jul 15 02:05:41 <lasserix> oh yeah, sometimes that can be overkill though?
Jul 15 02:05:41 <I440r> i looked at the docs for layoutparams and im none the wiser
Jul 15 02:05:51 <jasta> if you have runtime variables for how you lay out your widgets, odds are you want a custom layout.  it's overwhelmingly the simplest and most elegant approach.
Jul 15 02:06:04 <jasta> lasserix: why would it be overkill?  it's elegant and simple.
Jul 15 02:06:19 <I440r> jasta splane plzz cus im lost
Jul 15 02:06:20 <jasta> it reads a hell of a lot nicer than using LayoutParams, too.
Jul 15 02:06:21 <lasserix> what if you are just jingoing one view?
Jul 15 02:06:34 <jasta> jingoing?
Jul 15 02:06:44 <lasserix> manipulating
Jul 15 02:06:57 <lasserix> l44r what is it that you are trying to do?
Jul 15 02:07:01 <jasta> why would that matter?  i frequently create layouts that are only intended to contain 1 child with some special behaviour
Jul 15 02:07:18 <I440r> its a letter I (eye) the number 440 and a letter r. Ibanez 440 radius. my guitar
Jul 15 02:07:20 <jasta> my guess would be that both of you are resisting this approach only because you have little experience doing it :)
Jul 15 02:07:39 <lasserix> Isn't inflating a custom layout more expensive? espicially if you have a lot of them
Jul 15 02:07:49 <I440r> lasserix, im creating a chat bubble over the top of an npc. the bubbles text is not known till runtime (unless you want me to create 4gigs worth of texts worth of views)
Jul 15 02:07:53 <lasserix> l44or, if you don't want to use a custom view, you want to position it with margins, not padding
Jul 15 02:07:54 <I440r> and its position is also not known
Jul 15 02:08:07 <jasta> lasserix: no, and in fact generally custom layouts are more efficient than abusing existing ones.
Jul 15 02:08:16 <lasserix> jasta: oh, thanks I didn't know
Jul 15 02:08:36 <jasta> custom layouts have efficiency much more like FrameLayout for the common case.  LinearLayout and RelativeLayout are both way, way less efficient than FrameLayout.
Jul 15 02:08:41 <I440r> i would be fine with using a custom view. how do i construct a custom view with size, content and position thats not known till runtime?
Jul 15 02:09:08 <jasta> I440r: easily, go look at tutorials on how to create custom layouts.  the samples pack with the SDK contains lots of examples.
Jul 15 02:09:48 <I440r> jasta googles examples are like JRR tolkien books. they go on for 2876549273654983243 gigs of source to describe a simple concept that could be detailed in 3 lines
Jul 15 02:10:04 <lasserix> l44or: if you are going to be using setText a lot, you'll want to draw via the canvas in the custom view
Jul 15 02:10:22 <I440r> lasserix, thats how i wanted to do it to begin with
Jul 15 02:10:43 <jasta> lasserix: uhm, no, he almost certainly do not want that.
Jul 15 02:10:54 <jasta> canvas#drawText lacks a _LOT_ of features TextView grants.
Jul 15 02:11:01 <I440r> so... given a 9 patch, some text, how do i make the 9 patch scale to fit the text and draw that into an existing bitmap/canvas
Jul 15 02:11:14 <jasta> I440r: if you have some kind of allergy to learning or reading some docs and code, then i cannot (actually, will not) help you.
Jul 15 02:11:28 <I440r> jasta no ive been doing alot of rtfm
Jul 15 02:11:29 <lasserix> right, but I had a garbage collection problem using setText thousands of times in a few seconds
Jul 15 02:11:32 <lasserix> l44or: http://www.androidenea.com/2011/10/creating-custom-view-part-1-graphics.html
Jul 15 02:11:38 <I440r> its just i cannot find what im trying to do anywhere
Jul 15 02:11:39 <lasserix> it's a custom slide bar, but you can get the idea
Jul 15 02:11:51 <lasserix> of how to generate the custom view and manipulate it
Jul 15 02:11:56 <I440r> i HAVE a custom view
Jul 15 02:12:29 <I440r> what i want to know how to do is stuff some text into a 9 patch and draw that as a graphic entity into an existing bitmap/canvas
Jul 15 02:13:41 <I440r> fuck i cant doit this way anyway, i HAVE to do it jastas way
Jul 15 02:13:51 <jasta> I440r: http://developer.android.com/intl/zh-TW/guide/topics/ui/custom-components.html
Jul 15 02:14:00 <I440r> if i draw this as a drawable into my bitmap/canvas its going to get screwed up when android scales that to fit the view
Jul 15 02:14:17 <jasta> basically, extend FrameLayout, and probably override onMeasurea nd onLayout.
Jul 15 02:14:30 <jasta> but you need to read the docs.  if you guess at how either of these two methods behave, you'll fail to do this correctly.  trust me.
Jul 15 02:14:42 <lasserix> why not just set textview bg as 9 patch and set text (whatever) and position it based on values from npc location
Jul 15 02:14:49 <I440r> jasta. erm no. i woud take great exception to adding to or taking away from or modifying in any way shape or form my existing layouts
Jul 15 02:15:22 <I440r> ill rtfm it but my layouts dont change. this has to be  100% constructed at run time
Jul 15 02:15:24 <jasta> http://developer.android.com/intl/zh-TW/reference/android/view/View.html -- read the layout section of this as well
Jul 15 02:15:33 <I440r> or.. my mind says it does atm. in ignorance possibly
Jul 15 02:15:50 <jasta> I440r: i'm talking about using custom layouts so that you can adjust the layouts with finer control based on runtime conditions
Jul 15 02:16:01 <jasta> that's the very reason why anyone would create custom layouts in the first place.
Jul 15 02:16:10 <lasserix> l44or: extend framelayout, add a textview set the bg of the tv to your 9patch, figure out of the position of your npc relative the the OnLayout call arguesmentions, and position your tv
Jul 15 02:16:12 <I440r> kk gimme a bit to rtfm those pages
Jul 15 02:16:27 <jasta> i could probably do what you're wanting to do in maybe 20 minutes.  but that's because i already read this documentation :)
Jul 15 02:16:28 <I440r> lasserix, its a ltter I (EYE FOUR FOURTY ARE" Ibanez 440 radius
Jul 15 02:16:30 <I440r> not an L
Jul 15 02:16:56 <I440r> jasta no you could do it in 20 minutes because you know 287465926458236485 gigs of obfuscated google documentation inside out. im a nub
Jul 15 02:17:09 <I440r> brb
Jul 15 02:17:24 <lasserix> l44or: it's good to do what jasta is saying because once you do understand, it'll make all future endeavors a billion factorial times easier
Jul 15 02:17:59 <jasta> hearing people say stuff like that makes me smile.  you'd be surprised how few engineers make that connection.
Jul 15 02:20:56 <I440r> Note: The Android framework is responsible for measuring, laying out and drawing views. You should not call methods that perform these actions on views yourself unless you are actually implementing a ViewGroup.     <--- sounds to me like this is telling me i should be using a view group (thats one clue down 2835286459824 more to go)
Jul 15 02:23:08 <zacharycohn> I'm going through this early android dev tutorial: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html
Jul 15 02:23:31 <zacharycohn> I finished it, and I'm trying to modify the app a bit. I'm trying to add a button to take me back to the first Activity and the button isn't showing up
Jul 15 02:24:00 <zacharycohn> I suspect the problem might be I didn't connect the layout .xml file to the new activity correctly, but I'm not really sure.
Jul 15 02:25:26 <zacharycohn> How do you create a new .xml layout file and connect it with a Activity class? (I'm in Eclipse, fwiw)
Jul 15 02:30:39 <zacharycohn> I am loading it with  "setContentView(R.layout.display_message_activity);"
Jul 15 02:30:43 <zacharycohn> but the button isn't showing up when i run the app
Jul 15 02:34:11 <lasserix> zacharycohn: did you make an xml file in res/layout called display_message_activity?
Jul 15 02:34:17 <zacharycohn> yep
Jul 15 02:34:27 <lasserix> in res/layout does it have the extension .xml?
Jul 15 02:34:39 <zacharycohn> Yep.
Jul 15 02:34:50 <lasserix> can you post your xml code in paste-bin?
Jul 15 02:35:43 <zacharycohn> lasserix: http://pastebin.com/qdxQR9Uc
Jul 15 02:36:17 <lasserix> change your layout w/h of the top linear layout to "fill_parent"
Jul 15 02:36:23 <lasserix> match_parent is deprecated
Jul 15 02:36:39 <lasserix> otherwise i see nothing wrong
Jul 15 02:36:52 <zacharycohn> http://pastebin.com/yf8AMc19 <-- here's the class that's calling it
Jul 15 02:36:55 <zacharycohn> er, using it
Jul 15 02:37:26 <lasserix> oh well beisdes changing match--> fill
Jul 15 02:37:31 <canadiancow> zacharycohn i dont like your "goBack" method
Jul 15 02:37:36 <canadiancow> that's what the back button is for
Jul 15 02:37:50 <zacharycohn> canadiancow: I'm just using it as a learning experiment
Jul 15 02:37:51 <lasserix> in your activity when you call setContentView(textview) that will replace the setContentView(displa...)
Jul 15 02:38:00 <canadiancow> its not even going back though
Jul 15 02:38:06 <canadiancow> it's launching a new activity on top of your current one
Jul 15 02:38:11 <lasserix> what you want to do is give the root linearlayout in your xml an id
Jul 15 02:38:27 <lasserix> find that in your oncreate method, and addView(textview) instead of setContentView(textview)
Jul 15 02:38:53 <AlCapwn> lasserix: match_parent is new, fill_parent is deprecated...
Jul 15 02:39:00 <lasserix> oh i got it backwards, sorry
Jul 15 02:39:09 * zacharycohn facepalms
Jul 15 02:39:13 <zacharycohn> Thanks lasserix ...
Jul 15 02:39:36 <zacharycohn> i didn't think about having two setContentViews
Jul 15 02:47:18 <zacharycohn> lasserix: how do I find that in my onCreate method?
Jul 15 02:49:29 <i5noc> woo hoo!! got the sgs3/i9300 hacked/rooted/etc thx guiez!!
Jul 15 02:50:26 <i5noc> I440r, ah ha
Jul 15 02:50:29 <i5noc> thar u are
Jul 15 02:50:34 <i5noc> replied to you in another channel
Jul 15 02:51:11 <caverdude> if I write an android app and want to be able to deploy it on users phones, do I have to do a different build for each phone version?
Jul 15 02:52:01 <i5noc> o.o
Jul 15 02:52:30 <i5noc> what's the difference between one phone and another to you? few drivers and api options?
Jul 15 02:52:40 <i5noc> couldnt you unify it and do a discovery on install?
Jul 15 02:59:29 <I440r> i5noc, what lol
Jul 15 02:59:37 <I440r> u answered which q?
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