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Aug 06 03:03:46 <SU1C1D3> Anyone got the 6.16.211 fastboot files for the Droid RAZR? I need just the radio.img file. I'm tethering (no internet at home) and download speeds are treacherous for the whole package.
Aug 06 03:04:38 <Leeds> SU1C1D3: wrong channel, dearie - please read the channel topic
Aug 06 03:06:48 <chups> anyone else having problems saving an image from a camera intent in ICS?
Aug 06 03:07:41 <SU1C1D3> Wouldn't Dev's (application or otherwise) tend to have unbrick/recovery files as well? I assumed this would be a resource for assistance and progress. I'm working on unlocking the domestic GSM for the Razr and D4.
Aug 06 03:08:12 <drpenguin> SU1C1D3: this is app dev
Aug 06 03:08:46 <bankai_> #android-root
Aug 06 03:09:13 <Leeds> or to summarise: "please read the channel topic" - it's there so we don't have to go through this multiple times per day...
Aug 06 03:11:23 <SpearThruster> tomorrow I am getting Sony Xperia S
Aug 06 03:11:36 <SpearThruster> anyone wanna pitch in a opinion?
Aug 06 03:11:57 <drpenguin> I think Admiral Ackbar could.. but thats a question for #android
Aug 06 03:12:50 <SpearThruster> okie :)
Aug 06 03:14:50 <SU1C1D3> I'm sorry, I thought this was a "Dev" channel. Didn't realize android application developements were limited to angry birds and glowing status bars.
Aug 06 03:15:07 <Leeds> ooh, burn
Aug 06 03:15:16 <drpenguin> that hurt my feelings
Aug 06 03:15:37 <Ologn> Don't forget fart apps
Aug 06 03:16:13 <drpenguin> Ologn: ++
Aug 06 03:16:25 <drpenguin> and the Charlie Sheen soundboard
Aug 06 03:16:33 <Ologn> winning!
Aug 06 03:20:47 <fanno> Error "...The content of the adapter has changed but ListView did not receive a notification..." if i change the list inside onPostExecute it still happens "sometimes only i cant recreate it. anyone have any idea on how it can happen if inside onPostExecute / onPreExecute ? i do not change it anywhere else ..
Aug 06 03:21:34 <fanno> from google search the issue should be fixed by using onPostExecute so i do not understand
Aug 06 03:21:51 <bluezone> Is there anyway to use something from  javax.*.* ? I need to use ImageIO
Aug 06 03:22:07 <bluezone> any way *
Aug 06 03:22:26 <Leeds> bluezone: some of javax is there - if it's not, it's not... find another way
Aug 06 03:22:50 <bluezone> Leeds: other methods are too verbose :(
Aug 06 03:23:00 <Leeds> welcome to Java - it's a verbose langauge
Aug 06 03:23:21 <bluezone> less so with javax :D
Aug 06 03:27:41 <daniel110> when i try to add an item to a adapter, the application freezes
Aug 06 04:05:23 <themirror> (All programmatically) If I instantiate a view and set its id and proceed to define another view's params using this id, will a call to setcontentview on its parent layout make the params useless?
Aug 06 04:05:32 <DiegoMax|MBP> is there any method callback executed on activities when the user puts the phone to sleep with the activity in the foreground ?
Aug 06 04:05:39 <DiegoMax|MBP> as in, when you press the sleep button and the screen goes black ?
Aug 06 04:07:39 <themirror> DiegoMax¦MBP: is there a reason you need to know this specifically, or can you do whatever you were going to do in onPause instead?
Aug 06 04:09:09 <themirror> because its best practice to just override onPause and stay agnostic to the phone's state otherwise
Aug 06 04:22:32 <g00s> http://joelrunyon.com/two3/an-unexpected-ass-kicking
Aug 06 04:37:07 <themirror> g00s good read ty
Aug 06 04:37:53 <hoangtran> Is it possible to use android:screenOrientation="reverseLandscape" (which is added in API lvl 9) in a previous API lvl (7 - 2.1 - in my case)?
Aug 06 04:49:06 <bankai_> if it's been added in API9 and you're on API7, no
Aug 06 04:50:43 <themirror> Unless there's a support v4 library for it, but haven't looked
Aug 06 04:54:41 <themirror> Anybody have an issue with the previous screen showing through views after surfaceDestroyed is called?
Aug 06 04:56:41 <themirror> It changes immediately before the first time any surface is created, but anytime I change contentview to the layout with *any* surfaceview object, the old screen bleeds through views until the surface is created again
Aug 06 05:04:34 <themirror> romainguy: is this an issue you've seen or am I doing something wrong?
Aug 06 05:14:59 <g00s> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html?curiosity
Aug 06 05:15:22 <[deXter]> Nice :)
Aug 06 05:16:01 <[deXter]> g00s, I just tuned in.. so did the rover land yet?
Aug 06 05:16:17 <g00s> no, separation in about 1 min i think
Aug 06 05:16:37 <[deXter]> Cool, I thought I might have missed it
Aug 06 05:19:43 <g00s> heh, that controller's name was Fuk Li
Aug 06 05:19:54 <[deXter]> Haha
Aug 06 05:20:04 <[deXter]> That's like straight out of Austin Powers
Aug 06 05:25:58 <[deXter]> 6 minutes to touchdown!
Aug 06 05:28:09 <devslash> hey guys i am registering as an android developer . can the developer name be changed after I register ? what about the website URL  ?
Aug 06 05:30:38 <devslash> themirror: are you here ?
Aug 06 05:30:56 <themirror> Yep
Aug 06 05:31:37 <themirror> devslash haha not sure I'm still not at that point yet
Aug 06 05:31:38 <g00s> 500 m altitude
Aug 06 05:31:50 <devslash> who here is a registered developer ?
Aug 06 05:32:40 <g00s> fucking awesome
Aug 06 05:32:49 <[deXter]> Touchdown! :D
Aug 06 05:32:56 <g00s> \o/
Aug 06 05:33:20 <devslash> ok so whats so special about the rover landing
Aug 06 05:38:42 <devslash> who here is a registered android developer ?
Aug 06 05:39:47 <Leeds> devslash: I'd guess essentially everyone
Aug 06 05:42:56 <devslash> leeds: I am registering as an android developer . can the developer name be changed after I register ? what about the website URL  ?
Aug 06 05:43:34 <Leeds> yup, you can
Aug 06 05:43:42 <devslash> both ?
Aug 06 05:44:27 <Leeds> seems like it, yes
Aug 06 05:46:29 <Leeds> it's not something I've ever looked at, but there's a profile page where you can edit your name, email, homepage and phone number
Aug 06 05:48:20 <devslash> ahh ok
Aug 06 05:48:27 <devslash> I'm going to publish my app
Aug 06 05:49:30 <Leeds> does it do more than add two numbers?
Aug 06 05:49:52 <_genuser_> lol.
Aug 06 05:53:43 <JakeWharton> I've been looking for a good number adder though...
Aug 06 05:56:31 <devslash> yes
Aug 06 06:11:39 <bogo10> hello everyone. I've found this list:  http://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=150324&topic=15867&ctx=topic with all the countries that are supported for creating an android developer account
Aug 06 06:11:45 <bogo10> BUT i've also noticed that on the second page of this link: https://play.google.com/apps/publish/signup on the terms and conditions... the countries differ from the first list
Aug 06 06:11:51 <bogo10> for instance... Hungary appears in the second but not in the first, also Austria appears in the first and not in the second
Aug 06 06:11:53 <bogo10> :)
Aug 06 06:12:50 <Leeds> bogo10: but yes, be aware of timezones - most USians and Europeans are asleep now...
Aug 06 06:13:49 <bogo10> yeah, i know. I'll ask again later tonight :)
Aug 06 06:33:34 <themirror> Does anyone have a workaround for this? My post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 06:33:39 <Zider> europeans just got up to go to work :)
Aug 06 06:34:19 <tors> yeah, their (my) vacation has ended
Aug 06 06:34:38 <Zider> yeah :(
Aug 06 06:34:44 <Zider> first day of work, here I come :/
Aug 06 06:35:52 <themirror> romainguy
Aug 06 06:41:58 <themirror> Please upvote my SO post
Aug 06 06:42:36 <themirror> Its the real deal and whether I'll be able to eat is on the line :O
Aug 06 06:48:46 <tneva82_> what alternatives there are to send message from server to specific phone? Only way is to have phone asks repeatedly from the server "are there any news to me?".
Aug 06 06:53:01 <caseofinsani> how do i place one widget on top of another in layout?
Aug 06 06:56:18 <devslash> I'm trying to upload a screenshot in png format for an app I'm uploading to the play store and I'm getting an error This application is out of date. Please click the refresh button on your browser.
Aug 06 06:57:49 <devslash> i tried converting the png to jpg and i still get the same error
Aug 06 06:58:52 <Leeds> have you uploaded your apk yet?
Aug 06 06:59:16 <devslash> yea
Aug 06 06:59:25 <devslash> i uploaded the api in the previous step
Aug 06 06:59:52 <devslash> agh i found the problem
Aug 06 07:06:07 <hoangtran> yet another q about feature compatibility: is there a way to apply setting conditionally (based on api version)? Example: I have minSdk=7, so I want android:screenOrientation="landscape" for API7, and android:screenOrientation="reverseLandscape" for API 9+ (as it's added from 9)
Aug 06 07:06:59 <hoangtran> And I don't want to create 2 versions of my app just for this purpose
Aug 06 07:08:04 <hoangtran> assuming that there's no android.support package for this (I've just done a quick search)
Aug 06 07:09:26 <Untouchab1e> Hi all!
Aug 06 07:10:13 <Untouchab1e> have a question.. I have server that broadcasts data to the local network... I want my Android app to listen for that data and parse it.. But I have no idea how to do it.. any pointers?
Aug 06 07:10:19 <Untouchab1e> have a server*
Aug 06 07:11:37 <leslie> hoangtran: setRequestedOrientation() ?
Aug 06 07:12:02 <themirror> hoangtran: not much experience with what u need, but at worst youd have to create two xmls, one for each api version (i think -v9 suffix to folder)
Aug 06 07:12:25 <leslie> oh, that's true, you can use values.xml
Aug 06 07:12:42 <themirror> Theres a way to have runtime variants in xml but I forgot :(
Aug 06 07:12:46 <hoangtran> leslie: I may try that after there's no way to do it in xml
Aug 06 07:12:53 <Untouchab1e> no ideas?
Aug 06 07:13:35 <hoangtran> themirror: your approach seems promising but I don't know if it's possible, looking on documentation now, thank you.
Aug 06 07:14:23 <themirror> Yeah sorry someone mentioned it the other day but I can't remember
Aug 06 07:14:36 <themirror> I think % operator
Aug 06 07:14:56 <leslie> ? operator I think
Aug 06 07:20:19 <themirror> If anyone has stackoverflow account, PLEASE upvote my post. I need a workaround for this bug badly. Thanks. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 07:24:55 <hoangtran> themirror, leslie : what is %, ? operators? is it related to my question?
Aug 06 07:25:24 <leslie> I dunno what % does, but ? is related to the xml format. lemme see if I can find a guide
Aug 06 07:25:47 <themirror> Yeah word on the street is that you can set xml values at runtime with it
Aug 06 07:26:06 <themirror> But I've never tried it or know anything about it
Aug 06 07:26:19 <devslash> Leeds: are you here ?
Aug 06 07:26:29 <Leeds> maybe...
Aug 06 07:27:30 <devslash> under supported devices its saying "This application is available to over 0 devices."
Aug 06 07:27:42 <devslash> how do i fix that
Aug 06 07:27:48 <leslie> hoangtran: do you use Eclipse at all?
Aug 06 07:29:01 <Leeds> you fiddle with your manifest and other settings
Aug 06 07:29:21 <Leeds> "over 0" is a sort of double negative :)
Aug 06 07:29:49 <leslie> does that mean it's available to at least 1 device?
Aug 06 07:30:03 <devslash> http://pastebin.com/c87H5nFH
Aug 06 07:30:07 <devslash> theres my manifest
Aug 06 07:30:38 <leslie> that's strange
Aug 06 07:31:04 <hoangtran> leslie: mostly no, I use IDEA
Aug 06 07:31:35 <leslie> ok. I have a basic idea of how to do it, but lemme check if I'm right, and then I'll try to explain it
Aug 06 07:31:37 <thebishop> woo, finally got convertView crap working in my getView() call...
Aug 06 07:34:27 <Naish> when the app i create makes a million dollars you guys can claim you talked to me on irc
Aug 06 07:34:32 <tneva82_> guess there's no way to do what I want to do then?
Aug 06 07:36:15 <Leeds> tneva82_: GCM?
Aug 06 07:36:24 <leslie> hoangtran: do you have a file called res/strings.xml?
Aug 06 07:36:34 <leslie> er, res/values/strings.xml
Aug 06 07:37:37 <devslash> Leeds: is that something i need to be worried about  ?
Aug 06 07:38:33 <Leeds> have you done something silly like not select any countries?
Aug 06 07:39:12 <devslash> no
Aug 06 07:39:17 <devslash> i selected em all
Aug 06 07:39:24 <hoangtran> leslie: of course I have
Aug 06 07:39:43 <Leeds> tneva82_: ?
Aug 06 07:40:11 <leslie> ok, basically, add a string there called my_orientation or whatever with the value "landscape", and then in the manifest, reference it with android:screenOrientation="@string/my_orientation"
Aug 06 07:40:34 <hoangtran> leslie: basically, I think I need values-v9/something.xml, then put the reverseLandscape in it, and reference it in AndroidManifest
Aug 06 07:40:35 <leslie> then create a file called res/values-v9/strings.xml and add a string with the same name, but with the other value you want.
Aug 06 07:40:41 <leslie> yes
Aug 06 07:41:07 <hoangtran> yes, the problem is (not tested yet) the value for android:screenOrientation may not accept string value
Aug 06 07:41:22 <leslie> try it and see. it seems to work on my end
Aug 06 07:41:30 <hoangtran> we already saw the use of label="@strings/app_name" example
Aug 06 07:41:43 <hoangtran> ok, I'll try now
Aug 06 07:42:08 <m1hael> hi, i added a dns server setting to my emulator session. i can reach my desktop via the name in the emulator browser but not with the apache http client. there is says it can't resolve the name. any ideas? i just want to reach my pc in the emulator.
Aug 06 07:42:53 <leslie> actually, it compiles but won't run. hmm
Aug 06 07:42:58 <bankai_> m1hael: you gotta do it a bit of a funny way, let me find the site for ya
Aug 06 07:44:42 <Pinas> hello all
Aug 06 07:45:10 <m1hael> bankai_: perhaps permissions? (just looking myself ...)
Aug 06 07:45:15 <bankai_> http://blog.js-development.com/2009/10/accessing-host-machine-from-your.html that explains it
Aug 06 07:45:25 <bankai_> m1hael: yeah that too ;)
Aug 06 07:45:26 <hoangtran> :) IDEA show red right away :): \AndroidManifest.xml:19: error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'screenOrientation' with value '@strings/my_orientation').
Aug 06 07:45:42 <m1hael> bankai_: thanx for the link
Aug 06 07:45:57 <leslie> hmm.
Aug 06 07:46:39 <hoangtran> I think it should be interger
Aug 06 07:46:49 <tneva82_> and as usual total silence when I ask anything
Aug 06 07:47:05 <Pinas> can someone tell me, what parts of an play store app download are uniqe (I know that the publisher and die packagename are unique) ?? Basically I want to find out, which information can be the same for different applications in the play store (description, icon, ? can be the same) :)
Aug 06 07:47:16 <bankai_> m1hael: also check your server is listening on the right IP
Aug 06 07:47:30 <m1hael> bankai_: yes. thanx
Aug 06 07:48:01 <devslash> Leeds how long does it take from the time you publish an app before it appears in the play store ?
Aug 06 07:48:03 <bankai_> tneva82_: push notification
Aug 06 07:48:30 <Leeds> devslash: between minutes and a couple of hours
Aug 06 07:48:34 <Leeds> tneva82_: are you ignoring me then?
Aug 06 07:48:44 <Pinas> any ideas ?
Aug 06 07:49:50 <anders_> morning
Aug 06 07:51:02 <devslash> anders_:  holvik ?
Aug 06 07:51:17 <anders_> no
Aug 06 07:51:21 <devslash> lol
Aug 06 07:51:26 <devslash> do you know what I'm talking about ?
Aug 06 07:51:28 <anders_> no
Aug 06 07:51:34 <anders_> :)
Aug 06 07:51:36 <devslash> nm then
Aug 06 07:52:02 <Leeds> horlicks?
Aug 06 07:52:29 <anders_> anyone awake that has experience with GCM?
Aug 06 07:55:10 <akshay_deo> i have been searching for some help in android source code...can someone help me out for a channel about android source code development ??
Aug 06 07:55:37 <Pinas> you mean messing around with the android system itself ?
Aug 06 07:55:45 <Leeds> akshay_deo: there isn't really a channel for platform development - there are google groups/mailing lists
Aug 06 07:56:20 <Pinas> is anyone aware of possibilities to uniquely identify an application in the android market (beside publisher and package name) ???
Aug 06 07:56:37 <akshay_deo> ahh @Pinas yeah
Aug 06 07:57:32 <Pinas> akshay_deo well then as Leeds said - the google groups are less ore more good
Aug 06 07:57:58 <akshay_deo> ok thanks :)
Aug 06 07:58:16 <Pinas> I don't know how much you already know, but there are even two good video introductions for platform development
Aug 06 07:58:28 <Pinas> give me a second and I get you the links
Aug 06 07:58:35 <Leeds> Pinas: I think package name is *the* unique identifier
Aug 06 07:58:46 <brian_de> @pinas http://developer.android.com/distribute/googleplay/promote/linking.html#OpeningDetails
Aug 06 08:01:07 <themirror> ive been marginally useful to at least someone here. Can someone help me out and upvote my post? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 08:01:24 <themirror> I'll buy you a drink when I'm rich
Aug 06 08:01:49 <Pinas> well what I want to do, is to give a easy step-by-step manual on how to differe seemingly equal apps on the play store (do detect potential malicious/repacked apps). So I am looking for parts that a guy publishing malicious apps can not fake (e.g. he can not fake the packagename and the publisher name - but are there other parts he can't fake) ?
Aug 06 08:02:09 <Pinas> e.g. the ratings :)
Aug 06 08:03:11 <brian_de> @pinas the publisher's email?
Aug 06 08:03:54 <Pinas> brian_de good one thx :)
Aug 06 08:04:30 <themirror> Thanks for the upvote! Much love
Aug 06 08:17:10 <Pinas> is the publisher name absolutely unique throuought the whole play store (worldwide) ?
Aug 06 08:29:35 <Tracks> I want a list of buttons.
Aug 06 08:29:40 <Tracks> Can I do that with listview?
Aug 06 08:29:46 <mithrop> hi here
Aug 06 08:29:49 <Tracks> hi
Aug 06 08:29:54 <Leeds> yes, but you might not want to
Aug 06 08:29:58 <Leeds> is it a dynamic list?
Aug 06 08:30:01 <Tracks> no
Aug 06 08:30:04 <Tracks> static
Aug 06 08:30:26 <Leeds> then why not just use a linearlayout?
Aug 06 08:30:32 <Leeds> immensely simpler
Aug 06 08:30:40 <Tracks> okay
Aug 06 08:30:48 <Tracks> I didn't know linear layout could accomplish that task.
Aug 06 08:31:04 <Leeds> linear layout just contains a collection of views in a line
Aug 06 08:31:24 <Tracks> ok thanks a lot leeds
Aug 06 08:31:25 <Leeds> so if you want buttons in a line - or textviews in a line - or editviews... or... or... or a mixture - in a line
Aug 06 08:31:30 <mithrop> I have some difficulty for bitmaps in my app... I found a lot of post, but they all repeat the same thing "give multiple versions of your bitmaps", but I still don't really know what sizes I should choose... I actually have the .psd files and one .eps file of the design I should integrate to my already writted app. Somebody can help me about it ?
Aug 06 08:32:39 <g00s> man, google earth *always* crashes or goes to a crawl
Aug 06 08:33:56 <Leeds> Tracks: generally you want to use a listview where your data is dynamic and/or the stuff in the list is complex (e.g. a track listing with thumbnail/artist/trackname for each entry)
Aug 06 08:34:11 <Tracks> okay
Aug 06 08:34:14 <Omar> How should I get the external SDCard path?
Aug 06 08:34:45 <Leeds> Omar: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesExternal
Aug 06 08:36:26 <mithrop> my question is a really awful one ? ^^
Aug 06 08:36:42 <Omar> getExternalStorageState returns mnt/sdcard, I want mnt/emmc
Aug 06 08:37:04 <Leeds> Omar: there's no stable way to get that
Aug 06 08:37:38 <Leeds> also, /mnt/emmc would normally be the *embedded* storage, and /mnt/sdcard the external SD card, which is what you asked for - unless you're running a weird build
Aug 06 08:38:03 <Omar> I'm using Cyanogenmod
Aug 06 08:38:14 <Leeds> there you go...
Aug 06 08:42:25 <tneva82_> mithrop: get used to silence to questions :(
Aug 06 08:43:11 <Tracks> Okay, which is better.  To code or to use the XML if i am using eclipse?
Aug 06 08:43:30 <Tracks> I am trying to do things right so I want to use the XML but I have more experience with just coding with Java.
Aug 06 08:43:39 <Tracks> Is it better to use all the XML and the IDE?
Aug 06 08:43:59 <mithrop> tneva82_ :( so bad. I'll try it by myself so
Aug 06 08:46:46 <sha0coder> hello
Aug 06 08:46:51 <sha0coder> android.provider.Settings.System.putInt(getContentResolver(), android.provider.Settings.System.ADB_ENABLED, 1);
Aug 06 08:46:58 <sha0coder> this should enable the adb shell?
Aug 06 08:47:10 <mithrop> Tracks, personnally, I prefer XML and I used code only when I'm forced to do it
Aug 06 08:47:21 <Tracks> okay mithrop
Aug 06 08:47:35 <Tracks> thanks
Aug 06 08:50:04 <An_Ony_Moose> I'm trying to copy a file over to my device using adb push, but it complains "read-only filesystem". How do I get it to push it to the SD card?
Aug 06 08:55:09 <An_Ony_Moose> never mind I got it!
Aug 06 08:57:23 <DysonReturns> greets all
Aug 06 09:00:10 <DysonReturns> is there an RSS feed which tells me when new things are added to the SDK manager or ADT has been updated?
Aug 06 09:01:50 <stork> there's a developers blog
Aug 06 09:01:56 <stork> http://android-developers.blogspot.co.uk/
Aug 06 09:04:26 <stork> JakeWharton: why does hansel and gretal use the default TextAppearance.Medium theme for it's textviews and not some custom one?
Aug 06 09:05:11 <DysonReturns> stork: thanks, subscribed now.
Aug 06 09:12:28 <hoangtran> how can I reference this in xml resource: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/ActivityInfo.html#SCREEN_ORIENTATION_REVERSE_LANDSCAPE
Aug 06 09:22:29 <QubeZ> hoangtran: it says it there, "android:screenOrientation="
Aug 06 09:24:20 <hoangtran> QubeZ: what I want is to put the value of that setting outside of AndroidManifest, in a values.xml file
Aug 06 09:24:23 <robb_www> is there a place to report people offering pay-per-review services?
Aug 06 09:24:37 <robb_www> ive just received some spam regarding it
Aug 06 09:25:08 <robb_www> abuse@--.-- would be my normal port of call, but this is fairly service-specific
Aug 06 09:26:17 <hoangtran> as stated in the link I posted, I know it's an integer, and all possible values, I can put something like <integer name="my_orientation">8</integer> in my values.xml files, but I don't want to hardcode '8', I want to get it From android sdk, like getting some other values: @android:color/white
Aug 06 09:27:34 <Tracks> Does R not generate if there is a problem with the xml files?
Aug 06 09:27:44 <QubeZ> Tracks: right
Aug 06 09:27:51 <Tracks> thanks
Aug 06 09:28:15 <QubeZ> if you think your xml is right but eclipse is showing error, just do a Project -> Clean
Aug 06 09:45:31 <bogo10> anyone here from Austria by any chance? :D
Aug 06 09:50:34 <gak> bogo10: yup
Aug 06 09:51:11 <bogo10> gak: oh, awesome. And are you by any chance an android developer?
Aug 06 09:51:15 <bogo10> with paid apps on the market? :)
Aug 06 09:51:32 <bogo10> i'm trying to find out if Austria is 100% one of the countries accepted by google
Aug 06 09:52:01 <funktronic> i drove through austria once, does that count?
Aug 06 09:52:03 <bogo10> as i want to create a bank account in Austria and i don't want to waste my time in case Austria is not accepted :(
Aug 06 09:52:24 <bogo10> funktronic: haha, no :)
Aug 06 09:52:43 <gak> bogo10: yup, i just released "WiFi Heat" 2 weeks ago
Aug 06 09:53:06 <bogo10> :D so a credit card opened in Austria is accepted for developer account?
Aug 06 09:53:09 <bogo10> 100%? :D
Aug 06 09:53:17 <bogo10> u'r not just pulling my leg are you? :D
Aug 06 09:55:25 <bogo10> i went to hungary, to open an account. And i just found out it's not one of the supported countries :(
Aug 06 09:55:33 <bogo10> and i don't want to make the same mistake twice
Aug 06 09:55:41 <QubeZ> gak: you should post images of your app without all the phone border top and bottom, just the app images -- would look cleaner. Also heard this from the app review broadcast on friday's.
Aug 06 09:57:06 <bogo10> hmm, i wonder ... are there any android developers from HUNGARY online?
Aug 06 09:59:01 <funktronic> bogo10: i once did some things unmentionable in proper company with a girl from hungayr
Aug 06 09:59:21 <bogo10> nope..still doesn't count
Aug 06 09:59:50 <bogo10> so i'm guessing you also "drove through Hungary" ... if you know what i mean
Aug 06 10:00:04 <QubeZ> lol
Aug 06 10:01:19 <funktronic> in a way
Aug 06 10:02:35 <ddreamer0> hi
Aug 06 10:03:34 <ddreamer0> has anyone had problems displaying 9-patches? it fails when i compile with my eclipse but works right compiling on other eclipses (my friends eclipse) and i can't find the difference
Aug 06 10:04:09 <ddreamer0> i cleaned the project as suggested on some forums and made sure the manifest is correct (target=15)
Aug 06 10:06:05 <sha0coder> hello
Aug 06 10:06:43 <sha0coder> how can i enable usb debugging  from code?
Aug 06 10:07:02 <sha0coder> is the  android.provider.Settings.System.ADB_ENABLED ?
Aug 06 10:10:53 <hoangtran> leslie: fyi (if you're still there), I have done putting the screenOrientation setting to resource file (varies by API version): values & values-v10, and reverseLandscape is an interger constant = 8 (I need to hardcord it though)
Aug 06 10:12:40 <sha0coder> can i change ADB_ENABLED without root?
Aug 06 10:13:48 <Leeds> sha0coder: you can't change Settings.Secure without root
Aug 06 10:13:55 <Leeds> that's pretty much the point
Aug 06 10:13:58 <sha0coder> :/
Aug 06 10:13:59 <sha0coder> oks
Aug 06 10:14:04 <sha0coder> thnx Leeds  :)
Aug 06 10:14:13 <sha0coder> what do you recommend to root android 4?
Aug 06 10:14:21 <Leeds> I recommend #android-root
Aug 06 10:14:28 <sha0coder> oks
Aug 06 10:15:33 <funktronic> that's a lot of rooting questions
Aug 06 10:16:34 <onr> can you disable default apps in gingerband without rooting?
Aug 06 10:16:55 <Leeds> no
Aug 06 10:18:21 <fornix> i was going through an action bar tutorial and have one question. when an action bar is present, doesnt pressing the hardware "List" button show me the menu? or does it have to be opened using the action bar?
Aug 06 10:19:07 <QubeZ> pressing the Menu button for actionbar items will show a list of the overflow items ala context menu style
Aug 06 10:20:47 <gak> bogo10: Sorry, I thought you said Australia. :o
Aug 06 10:21:12 <gak> QubeZ: Thanks for the tip. I should keep up to day with that hangout.
Aug 06 10:21:18 <gak> up to date*
Aug 06 10:21:24 <QubeZ> np
Aug 06 10:21:25 <Leeds> bogo10: see, it's not just me and NBC!
Aug 06 10:28:55 <coreychch> Speaking of the action bar, does anyone know how to make tabs take priority over menu options?  The action bar I've got pushes all of the tabs into a drop down and shows most of the menu options, even though they are set to "IfRoom"
Aug 06 10:30:32 <funktronic> coreychch: play with the show options
Aug 06 10:30:48 <funktronic> i think if you set ifRoom on the menu options it'll do what ye want it to do
Aug 06 10:30:58 <funktronic> well it may not make you a sammich, but it should give tabs higher priority
Aug 06 10:32:13 <coreychch> If I set android:showAsAction = "IfRoom", the menu options all appear and the tabs are pushed into a drop down; if I set it to "Never" then they end up in the drop down menu.  What I want is to have all the tabs appear, then have the remaining space taken up with menu options
Aug 06 10:32:37 <funktronic> not on the tabs, on the menu items
Aug 06 10:33:33 <coreychch> Yeah thats what I mean ... the menu options are the ones I'm setting to "IfRoom" ... but it's deciding there's 'always room' and displaying all of them, if that makes sense
Aug 06 10:33:44 <coreychch> And pushing the tabs into the drop down
Aug 06 10:34:10 <coreychch> I dont seem to be able to swing it the other way without setting most of the menu options to android:showAsAction = "never"
Aug 06 10:39:34 <funktronic> i have CheckBox and i do a setOnCheckedChangeListener(null) and then a setChecked() and the old listener still fires. any way around this ?
Aug 06 10:42:23 <Pinas> can someone tell me how it is possible, that when installing an app from the market not .apk file is present in /data/app ????
Aug 06 10:45:04 <yati> Hi. I want to abstract the DB access away in a class for the rest of my app to use. One of the components that would use this is a (not yet written) service. Currently, I provide the DB helper interface through an SQliteOpenHelper subclass. Would the Android Gurus recommend I implement a ContentProvider instead?
Aug 06 10:47:33 <funktronic> yati: IMyDataService, have a MyDataService that has a public static IMyDataService getDataService() and a setDataService(IDataService service), then have a MyDataServiceImpl that does all the DB interactions and a MockDataService for unit tests
Aug 06 10:47:49 <funktronic> and profile the crap out of that app
Aug 06 10:48:57 <hoangtran> funktronic: where do you put the code to add the listener? maybe it's re-added accidentally?
Aug 06 10:49:15 <funktronic> hoangtran: nah i'm just an idiot and misread my logs
Aug 06 10:50:20 <hoangtran> ah, :), still in a better situation than when you meet the logcat bug :)
Aug 06 10:55:26 <yati> funktronic: okay, I'm relatively new to the platform. I get the essence of what you say, but I need to ask you, does this involve IPC behind the scenes?
Aug 06 10:56:03 <funktronic> depends on what you mean by IPC
Aug 06 10:56:11 <funktronic> certainly not inter-process communication
Aug 06 10:56:28 <yati> that's what ^^
Aug 06 10:56:41 <yati> what else could that mean? :O
Aug 06 11:03:50 <yvez> Hey everyone,
Aug 06 11:04:09 <yvez> I'm trying to setup android SDK on a virtual ubuntu at work
Aug 06 11:04:45 <HUNThomas> hello
Aug 06 11:04:56 <yvez> but when I run the android SDK update manager it keeps hanging on fetching https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/addons_list-2.xml
Aug 06 11:05:19 <yvez> I'm using a proxy
Aug 06 11:06:08 <stork> does your proxy support ssl
Aug 06 11:06:28 <stork> did you make sure you logged into your proxy properly?
Aug 06 11:06:34 <Pinas> can someone tell me something about asec files ???
Aug 06 11:07:41 <yvez> I don't need to login to my proxy
Aug 06 11:07:59 <yvez> when I try to access the website in my browser it loads fine
Aug 06 11:08:06 <stork> try using a different browser
Aug 06 11:08:10 <stork> try firefox
Aug 06 11:08:28 <yvez> tried google chrome, and that works
Aug 06 11:08:53 <HUNThomas> I'm sure you googled the issue before, but -> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=21359
Aug 06 11:09:16 <HUNThomas> it's not about the same file, but almost...give it a shot
Aug 06 11:09:32 <stork> google chrome and ie will work out of the box on windows, firefox won't
Aug 06 11:09:35 <stork> so try using firefox
Aug 06 11:09:47 <Pinas> noone ever used asec filess (secure apps ???)
Aug 06 11:09:52 <yvez> but I'm trying to configure it on ubuntu
Aug 06 11:10:35 <yvez> and in Windows it works fine
Aug 06 11:10:41 <yvez> (same computer)
Aug 06 11:10:47 <stork> try doing wget  https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/addons_list-2.xml
Aug 06 11:10:50 <stork> on the command line
Aug 06 11:11:52 <yvez> ok, that worked
Aug 06 11:11:57 <HUNThomas> Anyway, I'm having bit of a trouble with my application. I'm currently developing a tracker app, which uses the accelerometer and GPS. But unfortunately, the accelerometer stops polling data when the screen is off. I spent my whole yesterday searching for a solution, but nonw of the known workarounds are working on my phone (Samsung Galaxy Mini - with BMA220 accel. sensor)
Aug 06 11:12:41 <HUNThomas> Did anybody have this problem before?
Aug 06 11:13:21 <yvez> so, where do I put this xml file then?
Aug 06 11:21:26 <RobinB> hmm, is gif support gone in jb?
Aug 06 11:22:09 <Foxandxss> RobinB: don't think so, but is discouraged
Aug 06 11:22:41 <RobinB> yeah, users start complaining about missing images, and they coincide to be all the .gifs i have in my ressources
Aug 06 11:24:28 <Foxandxss> RobinB: png is recommended instead of gif
Aug 06 11:25:32 <RobinB> yes, i know. i just had some flag-gifs in my game that i got from somewhere else. but i'll just convert those i guess
Aug 06 11:26:13 <Pinas> can I move an app installed on the sdcard back to the phone (programtatically) ??
Aug 06 11:27:41 <Foxandxss> RobinB: yup yup
Aug 06 11:33:56 <hemanshu> Guys, I'm using Actionbarsherlock, it works well with normal activity but with activity with fragments it shows an extra short bar at top
Aug 06 11:34:10 <hemanshu> this only happens for 2.3 < devices
Aug 06 12:05:05 <Rozik> guys i have a problem with special chars like ä or ü. On Honeycomb or JellyBean everything works fine but on Devices with Ice Cream Sandwich they aren't displayed correctly
Aug 06 12:08:22 <tapas> Rozik: do you use fonts other than the system fonts?
Aug 06 12:08:32 <Rozik> nope
Aug 06 12:09:33 <vekexasia> Hello all. Anyone ever experienced a weird problem which involves an EditText + Devices with hardware keyboard + the press of the key "a" or "c" or "v" which behaves like (in order) "select all" "copy" "paste"?
Aug 06 12:33:14 <tapas> hmm i try using a URL to get a file from a server with an URL of the form http://foo:bar@host/resource
Aug 06 12:33:21 <tapas> it fails with a FileNotFoundException
Aug 06 12:33:32 <tapas> it works great with wget on the console though..
Aug 06 12:33:33 <Snuffel> what protocol are you trying to use
Aug 06 12:33:44 <tapas> http
Aug 06 12:33:50 <Snuffel> with a username and pass?
Aug 06 12:33:53 <tapas> yep
Aug 06 12:34:11 <tapas> basic http auth
Aug 06 12:35:31 <Snuffel> can you get a hold of the accesslogs of the server?
Aug 06 12:36:31 <tapas> Snuffel: i guess so..
Aug 06 12:36:32 <wongk> have you tried removing the username and password and seeing what http status code is returned? probably 401?
Aug 06 12:36:41 <tapas> wongk: nope, not yet..
Aug 06 12:36:47 <wongk> in which case you can just use basic authentication
Aug 06 12:37:38 <Snuffel> http://www.exampledepot.com/egs/java.net/Auth.html
Aug 06 12:37:43 <tapas> but the URL class should be able to handle username/pass specs?
Aug 06 12:37:45 <Snuffel> maybe that works better
Aug 06 12:37:46 <tapas> Snuffel: taking a look
Aug 06 12:38:15 <tapas> i get the exact same file not found exception..
Aug 06 12:38:48 <wongk> tapas: it can, if you handle it correctly
Aug 06 12:39:01 <wongk> it's not a client appliction, it's an API
Aug 06 12:49:17 <tapas> hmm, it's a bad API.. but oh well, it's what we got to work with
Aug 06 12:49:42 <wongk> i don't agree
Aug 06 12:51:29 <hrnt> tapas: you could put the username/password by hand to the request
Aug 06 12:51:42 <hrnt> get the connection and then add the request property
Aug 06 12:51:48 <wongk> well, that's not entirely true, it is a bad API, but that's not why :P
Aug 06 12:52:03 <hrnt> and yeah, i strongly dislike the authenticator api as well :P
Aug 06 12:52:33 <tapas> cmon.. Authenticator.setDefault()
Aug 06 12:52:52 <tapas> a purely side effects function (static) to influence the behaviour of another class..
Aug 06 12:52:58 <tapas> ugh
Aug 06 12:53:06 <wongk> yeah, that's why it's a bad API
Aug 06 12:53:12 <tapas> and that's what i meant
Aug 06 12:53:16 <wongk> and many other similar reasons
Aug 06 12:55:01 <tapas> i guess the java.net apis are quite old though.. people haven't heard of LISP back then ;D
Aug 06 12:56:34 <tapas> btw: on a completely unrelated note. has anyone written a nice rich text editor widget that produces html output?
Aug 06 12:56:40 <tapas> we would be willing to pay for it, too ;D
Aug 06 12:56:48 <tapas> but we need it this week..
Aug 06 12:57:13 <wongk> i thought there was one for android
Aug 06 12:57:26 <wongk> we looked into a bit for k-9 (not me, though)
Aug 06 12:58:15 <bogo10> hei guys....do you know of any email address i could use to send a message to the android developer support. I looked around the help center, but the forms there don't help me.
Aug 06 12:58:45 <bogo10> so i'd like to send an email so someone ... but can't find an email address :(
Aug 06 12:59:41 <tapas> wongk: there's http://code.google.com/p/droid-writer/.. from the description it seems to be rather unfinished
Aug 06 12:59:57 <p_l|abdn> tapas: LISP is unrelated to functional programming
Aug 06 13:00:06 <wongk> also this: http://code.google.com/p/android-richtexteditor/
Aug 06 13:00:16 <p_l|abdn> (well, not exactly related is better)
Aug 06 13:00:17 <wongk> dont know the state
Aug 06 13:00:41 <bogo10> or better yet ..... a telephone number i could call the support team or something ... i'd really desperate now :D
Aug 06 13:01:01 <bogo10> *i'm
Aug 06 13:01:36 <leslie> I don't believe there is a phone number
Aug 06 13:02:03 <bogo10> oh...then an email address :((
Aug 06 13:02:14 <tapas> p_l|abdn: it supports other programing paradigms, too, yes..
Aug 06 13:02:22 <tapas> s/programing/programming/
Aug 06 13:04:46 <bogo10> hey guys...anyone here from Austria, Hungary, Turkey, Hong Kong, Greece or Ireland !!
Aug 06 13:04:54 <leslie> bogo10: no email address either. just a webform
Aug 06 13:05:00 <bogo10> i have a question for 'ya
Aug 06 13:05:12 <bogo10> yeah, that's the only thing i could find as well :(
Aug 06 13:08:24 <bogo10> hey guys...anyone here from Austria, Hungary, Turkey, Hong Kong, Greece, Ireland, New Zeland, Singapore, South Korea, Slovakia or Turkey !! (forgot some countries)
Aug 06 13:08:59 <Snuffel> 'some'?
Aug 06 13:08:59 <m1hael> germany
Aug 06 13:09:05 <Snuffel> my answer is no
Aug 06 13:09:32 <leslie> why are you interested in those countries?
Aug 06 13:09:59 <xroberx> hi
Aug 06 13:10:04 <onr> you said Turkey twice
Aug 06 13:10:14 <bogo10> oh shush :)
Aug 06 13:10:22 <lov> bogo10: there are people here from many countries.
Aug 06 13:10:30 <bogo10> yeah, that's why i'm asking :)
Aug 06 13:10:42 <HDroid> I feel excluded.
Aug 06 13:10:44 <bogo10> i found the place, now i need to find the proper person
Aug 06 13:10:49 <lov> "this place"
Aug 06 13:10:55 <v3gard> bogo10: ..and your reason for asking is?
Aug 06 13:10:57 <lov> maybe you should explain what your problem is, and people can suggest solutions
Aug 06 13:11:07 <lov> this is a channel for regular android developers to talk about developing android apps
Aug 06 13:11:13 <lov> this is not a google hotline
Aug 06 13:11:14 <bogo10> i want to find someone in one of these countries to tell me weather they are or are not able to create an android developer account from their country
Aug 06 13:11:24 <bogo10> i'm seeing two lists which are in conflict with each other
Aug 06 13:11:34 <lov> bogo10: why do you need to know this
Aug 06 13:11:35 <bogo10> and i'm not sure whcih list of Supported Countries is valid
Aug 06 13:11:42 <lov> also, why not try to just create an account?
Aug 06 13:11:56 <bogo10> cause i need to go to the country, open an account and then test it
Aug 06 13:12:09 <bogo10> that takes time and money to travel there and do so
Aug 06 13:12:21 <onr> bogo10: there is a list of countries whose developers can sell on android marketplace
Aug 06 13:12:47 <bogo10> yes i know... you're refering to this one: http://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=150324&topic=15867&ctx=topic
Aug 06 13:12:54 <onr> Turkey is none of them. You can create dev acc and distribute apps for free, but cannot sell
Aug 06 13:13:15 <xroberx> does anyone know if the Google Play client track the referrer when no "referrer=foo" is found in the URL ? Couldn't it use the HTTP-REFERER header ? AFAIK this is the standard way to track referals for web pages.
Aug 06 13:13:24 <bogo10> onr: so you can't place PAID apps if you're from turkey?
Aug 06 13:13:30 <bogo10> are you sure? 100%? :)
Aug 06 13:13:49 <onr> i do through friends
Aug 06 13:13:56 <bogo10> you're from turkey?
Aug 06 13:14:05 <onr> yup
Aug 06 13:14:12 <bogo10> may i pm you?
Aug 06 13:14:19 <onr> go on
Aug 06 13:14:19 <lov> bogo10: ok, I think you need to elaborate here. Why do you need to be able to set up accounts from each of these countries?
Aug 06 13:14:31 <rigid> ahoy
Aug 06 13:14:38 <bogo10> no for each..but those are the countries that seem out of place
Aug 06 13:14:38 <rigid> i want to write an app that records video & doesn't stop recording when another app comes into foreground. Should I use a Service for that? Or a seperate thread? Or something completly different?
Aug 06 13:14:44 <bogo10> that don't appear in both lists
Aug 06 13:14:54 <bogo10> but ... i think onr will solve my problem..
Aug 06 13:14:56 <bogo10> 1 sec
Aug 06 13:15:13 <lov> rigid: normally I'd say yes, a service would be ideal. However, I'm not sure if the apis allow you to record video while you're not actively displaying preview information to the user.
Aug 06 13:15:41 <xroberx> rigid: I guess you should use a service in its own thread/s
Aug 06 13:15:54 <rigid> lov: that's the thing... i don't need a preview and i wanted to address that problem later... appereantly there are hacks to record video without preview
Aug 06 13:16:06 <rigid> xroberx: really? why both?
Aug 06 13:16:12 <lov> rigid: in that case, you can probably take that route.
Aug 06 13:16:22 <rigid> lov: ok, thanks
Aug 06 13:16:29 <xroberx> rigid: but beware that is very resource intensive, the only app I know of that records video from other apps can't reach a decent framerate
Aug 06 13:16:50 <lov> rigid: you may not need a thread; I forget how video works but I think that it's all asynchronous callbacks. Bear in mind that onCreate, onBind, etc all run on the UI thread.
Aug 06 13:17:07 <lov> so, if you need to be continuously performing some actions, you'll want to spin up a new thread to handle it.
Aug 06 13:17:19 <rigid> xroberx: i wouldn't want to record from other apps... i just don't want the recording to be interrupted if the user taps some wrong buttons
Aug 06 13:17:30 <leslie> I don't believe you can record video in the background
Aug 06 13:17:39 <xroberx> leslie: yes, you can
Aug 06 13:17:49 <leslie> you can? I guess they changed it since I last checked then
Aug 06 13:18:03 <lov> xroberx: is this via using non-public methods, or is there a legitimate way to do this?
Aug 06 13:18:08 <rigid> hm... so would it be smarter to just lock the app to stay in foreground unless the user explitly anwesers some "Are you sure?" dialog?
Aug 06 13:18:16 <lov> rigid: you can't really do that.
Aug 06 13:18:21 <lov> if the user presses home, there's nothing you can do.
Aug 06 13:18:26 <rigid> yeah, thought so :)
Aug 06 13:18:32 <lov> if they get a phone call, the dialer goes into the foreground.
Aug 06 13:18:33 <leslie> technically you can do something about it, but it's annoying
Aug 06 13:18:50 <rigid> yeah indeed... in that case, recording should continue
Aug 06 13:18:56 <lov> right.
Aug 06 13:19:04 <xroberx> lov: all I know is that the device needs to be rooted
Aug 06 13:19:11 <lov> ah.
Aug 06 13:19:15 <lov> so yeah, non-public apis
Aug 06 13:19:21 <rigid> i'll try with a service and some "no-preview-hack"
Aug 06 13:20:07 <xroberx> lov: low-level stuff that involves the use of ffmpeg and whatnot :)
Aug 06 13:20:13 <rigid> lov: do you know by heart how to record video without preview?
Aug 06 13:20:56 <rigid> i found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2386025/android-camera-without-preview but the only working way for gingerbread is a "transparent SurfaceView" which also vanishes when the app is backgrounded...
Aug 06 13:21:02 <Pinas> hello :)
Aug 06 13:22:10 <Pinas> one question - is it somehow possible to update the own application without the android market. I know that i could download another apk and then start the package installer for this app - but afaik this is no real update but the installation of another app
Aug 06 13:22:53 <lov> rigid: I do not at all.
Aug 06 13:23:05 <lov> rigid: I haven't touched the camera apis in a couple of years.
Aug 06 13:23:16 <rigid> i'll try to find out... thanks for the help
Aug 06 13:23:22 <lov> rigid: my understanding is that the apis are engineered so that you have to have a visible window to the user to do this, for privacy and legal reasons
Aug 06 13:23:39 <lov> Pinas: that's basically how you'd do it.
Aug 06 13:23:48 <xroberx> Pinas: maybe with the new expansion SDK, who knows
Aug 06 13:23:58 <lov> Pinas: another route is to have your codebase be selfcontained in a jar, and have your "app" just be a wrapper around opening and using that jar
Aug 06 13:24:04 <lov> you could always download a new jar, and then restart your app
Aug 06 13:24:09 <lov> that's really, really, really hacky though.
Aug 06 13:24:22 <rigid> i see
Aug 06 13:24:36 <brian_de> I got problems with broadcasts -- hopefully someone can help:... may I paste my problem explaination? ;)
Aug 06 13:24:57 <lov> brian_de: if it's more than one line of code, pasteBIN please
Aug 06 13:24:57 <Pinas> lov - when I e.g. download a new apk (signed with the same key as the current apk) and the user installs it - then my app is updated or do I have the same app twice (old and new version) ???
Aug 06 13:25:12 <lov> Pinas: if it has the same packagename, the new apk replaces the old one
Aug 06 13:25:27 <lov> Pinas: if the app was preloaded on the device, the user could uninstall the update technically, but we won't get into that.
Aug 06 13:25:54 <Pinas> excellent that's what i wanted to know. Thank you very much
Aug 06 13:27:48 <Pinas> so generally there are two ways to update my app. First through the Play Store by uploading a new apk with a higher version number and second by directly downloading a new apk from my server and prompting the installa dialouge to the user ?
Aug 06 13:27:59 <lov> effectively, yes.
Aug 06 13:28:14 <lov> there are other appstores now too, such as amazon appstore
Aug 06 13:28:30 <lov> I would recommend only allowing a direct download from your own server if you cannot or must not use existing appstore infrastructures
Aug 06 13:28:41 <brian_de> my broadcasts problem: http://pastebin.com/6WbZkT4H
Aug 06 13:29:33 <lov> brian_de: are you sure that you weren't registering the receiver in the manifest or something? Without knowing what your code / manifest looks like, there's not much I can suggest.
Aug 06 13:29:34 <Pinas> lov currently I only need the theory behind all of it (writing about malicious apps) :)
Aug 06 13:29:49 <lov> making your project a library project doesn't really matter; all the code still gets included. It would affect the manifest though.
Aug 06 13:30:37 <brian_de> ok .. give me a minute so i can get the code into the bin :)
Aug 06 13:30:39 <lov> Pinas: In that case, I would say that downloading/using a .so or .jar file containing your payload would be the most effective solution; it doesn't require the user to be prompted to re-install the app.
Aug 06 13:31:17 <lov> It depends on the type of malware however. If it masquerades as a useful program that the user would want to install/update, it's probably fine to ask them to install updates.
Aug 06 13:32:16 <Pinas> lov: ok that seems interesting thx :)
Aug 06 13:32:28 <tapas> hmm, if your app uses a sqlite db as central storage, how do different components of your app notify each other of changes?
Aug 06 13:32:56 <tapas> i started to implement a "observer" registry, but then thought "hold on, maybe someone else has done this already"
Aug 06 13:33:56 <lov> tapas: I don't think that sqlite has any sort of notification/listener pattern for data changes there.
Aug 06 13:34:13 <lov> That said, your interface on top of the database could do that for you, with the database being an implementation detail that consumers don't need to know about
Aug 06 13:34:31 <lov> abstract this into a pretty interface, let your consumers worry about the interfaces, not the implementation.
Aug 06 13:35:20 <tapas> lov: yeah, that's basically what i did: interface DataObserver, and the global data holder has two functions registerObserver and unregisterObserver
Aug 06 13:35:53 <tapas> etc..pp. then when data is getting changed, call notifyDatasetChanged and all observers get their callback called..
Aug 06 13:36:00 <tapas> i just read about contentproviders though.
Aug 06 13:36:14 <tapas> maybe there is some support infrastructure for this pattern in place
Aug 06 13:36:27 <lov> tapas: you could absolutely use a content provider. I don't really know what you're doing with your data, etc./
Aug 06 13:38:23 <tapas> lov: hmm, just reading about it it seems that it reintroduces a DB like interface which we hid away behind an ORM cause it's so inconvenient ;D
Aug 06 13:38:45 <hemanshu>  Hey guys I want to add transparent overlay bar like gallary which shows when user click the image
Aug 06 13:38:59 <hemanshu> any Idea how to do that
Aug 06 13:39:08 <tapas> lov: we;ll go with the Observer thingies.. it's easily implemented and since our team consists of two people it's easy to communicate the requirements..
Aug 06 13:40:03 <clever> does anybody know where the source is for android.net.wifi.WifiConfiguration?
Aug 06 13:40:11 <bogo10> Hei guys. If i set the price for my app to let's say 1 USD, Google will automatically adjung for each currency making it 0.8 euros or something, right?
Aug 06 13:40:53 <bogo10> But, how often does it do this? I read somewhere that it updates the prices in different currencies once a month
Aug 06 13:41:36 <bogo10> Is that right? Or it updates the second the exchange rate changes?
Aug 06 13:41:51 <HDroid> Oooh that introduces the possibility to short on app prices.
Aug 06 13:42:14 <bogo10> what do you mean by "possibility to short" ?
Aug 06 13:42:43 <leslie> clever: have you checked the source code that's downloadable with the SDK tool?
Aug 06 13:43:14 <clever> leslie: i have a grep running on it, but it takes a while to grep 11gig
Aug 06 13:43:14 <brian_de> back again ... just got a little distracted by my colleagues ;) ... I pasted the receiver stuff to http://pastebin.com/6WbZkT4H
Aug 06 13:43:55 <clever> leslie: took 2 hours just to find out that 'Avoided poor Internet connection' means dns or dhcp failure
Aug 06 13:43:58 <leslie> it's in the SDK folder, under sources/android-14/android/net/wifi/WifiConfiguration.java or whatever SDK you have
Aug 06 13:44:25 <clever> leslie: i must be missing it, because i just did a search for files by that name
Aug 06 13:44:34 <HDroid> bogo10: the financial instrument.. :) futures, speculation, etc.
Aug 06 13:44:53 <clever> leslie: what point in that path is the root you ran repo at?
Aug 06 13:45:08 <leslie> I didn't, it's in the SDK
Aug 06 13:45:15 <bogo10> HDroid: so how is it? How often does it update the price in other currencies? The second the exchange rate changes or monthly like i read somewhere?
Aug 06 13:45:19 <clever> clever@ramboot ~/android-x86 $ find|grep WifiConfiguration
Aug 06 13:45:20 <clever> clever@ramboot ~/android-x86 $
Aug 06 13:45:24 <clever> leslie: 0 results
Aug 06 13:45:31 <HDroid> bogo10: I don't know, I was just fooling around.
Aug 06 13:45:38 <leslie> clever: http://pastebin.com/Qa5EQv7R
Aug 06 13:45:39 <bogo10> oh :)
Aug 06 13:45:55 <brian_de> @lov: about the manifest: well the receiver gets registered dynamically. though, when i use classes from the lib i use the FQN for android:name for all providers/services/receivers
Aug 06 13:46:06 <leslie> that's the Jelly Bean source
Aug 06 13:46:24 <clever> leslie: yep, looks right, but dont see what i was looking for
Aug 06 13:46:34 <clever> leslie: would you know why thats not in the copy of the source i got?
Aug 06 13:46:52 <leslie> clever: you are aware that you can install the Java source code through the SDK, right?
Aug 06 13:47:00 <leslie> without needing the entire Android source
Aug 06 13:47:18 <clever> leslie: i'm adding a new target to the android-x86 branch, so i needed the whole source to build a new image
Aug 06 13:47:24 <lov> tapas: up to you. Content Providers are absolutely wonderful for exposing your data/service/etc to 3rd parties. If a simple observer pattern works for you, all the better.
Aug 06 13:47:31 <clever> the silly build scripts wouldnt even let me compile a kernel without the whole source
Aug 06 13:47:38 <leslie> ahh. well then, I'm not sure, it's been a while since I tried that
Aug 06 13:47:40 <leslie> but gimme a sec
Aug 06 13:47:58 <CurlyBrace> You guys look knlowedgable about the android source
Aug 06 13:47:58 <leslie> clever: frameworks/base/wifi/java/android/net/wifi/WifiConfiguration.java ?
Aug 06 13:48:13 <clever> ls: cannot access frameworks/base/wifi: No such file or directory
Aug 06 13:48:18 <leslie> hmm
Aug 06 13:48:26 <CurlyBrace> permissions?
Aug 06 13:48:35 <CurlyBrace> chmod -R 777 ftw
Aug 06 13:48:51 <clever> CurlyBrace: running under the user that did the checkout, and it would give a diff error if that was so
Aug 06 13:48:51 <lov> brian_de: looks fine to me offhand, not sure what to suggest. Did you forget to request permissions in your new app manifest?
Aug 06 13:49:54 <lov> clever: what does your AOSP checkout look like? mine looks like this: http://pastebin.com/w8qK6jBz
Aug 06 13:50:10 <lov> are you looking in the sdk, or in the android source?
Aug 06 13:50:37 <CurlyBrace> Anyone know where in the android source it prepares the widget UI menu?
Aug 06 13:50:45 <clever> lov: http://pastebin.com/LTz7hujB android-x86 repo
Aug 06 13:51:05 <clever> lov: i believe its enough to generate a fully working android system (root image, kernel)
Aug 06 13:51:16 <leslie> ah, I thought you were using AOSP
Aug 06 13:51:28 <clever> leslie: its a branch of that i believe
Aug 06 13:51:33 <lov> clever: you might just be using a repo that only contains enough to make an x86 image.
Aug 06 13:51:35 <brian_de> lov: in the lib i declare the C2D_MESSAGE permission and in the main app i also declare it but with a different pacakge name (so its unique). the permission is then always used from the generated Manifest class (which contains the permisson string from the main app).
Aug 06 13:51:40 <lov> ./frameworks/base/wifi/java/android/net/wifi/WifiConfiguration.java
Aug 06 13:51:44 <lov> that's where WifiConfiguration lives for me as well
Aug 06 13:52:15 <clever> lov leslie: i'm basicaly trying to track down the cause of this error http://pastebin.com/BrTQdsnD
Aug 06 13:52:25 <lov> brian_de: well, first, try removing the permission requirement from your broadcast/filter/etc altogether, just in case that's the problem. it'll at least narrow things down.
Aug 06 13:52:34 <clever> ive just hit a dead end, since no code anywhere sets disableReason
Aug 06 13:52:43 <brian_de> lov: just thought the same :) will try
Aug 06 13:53:20 <CurlyBrace> anyone know where the widgets live in android source?
Aug 06 13:53:58 <leslie> ApplicationWidget.java ?
Aug 06 13:53:58 <lov> clever: that you can see ;)
Aug 06 13:54:03 <leslie> or something
Aug 06 13:54:06 <jshanab> I have written a browser plugin that I now made into an iOS app and am now working on the android port. It is a video player and I will be using the NDK. Where exactly to draw the line between native and not is what i am working on now. If I need to draw controls on top of an opengles surface written to by native code, how do i do that?
Aug 06 13:54:28 <clever> lov: aha!, repo status claims that file was deleted
Aug 06 13:54:36 <clever> i think its because i ran out of disk space 3 times during sync
Aug 06 13:54:44 <clever> it failed to make the files, then forgot about them
Aug 06 13:54:56 <leslie> Android is pretty big
Aug 06 13:55:14 <clever> let me see if repo sync will do the sane thing
Aug 06 13:55:34 <clever> nope
Aug 06 13:56:36 <clever> clever@ramboot ~/android-x86/frameworks/base $ git reset --hard
Aug 06 13:57:05 <lov> clever: welp, gl w/ that.
Aug 06 13:57:56 <clever> -rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 22K Aug  6 10:57 wifi/java/android/net/wifi/WifiConfiguration.java
Aug 06 13:58:03 <leslie> \o/
Aug 06 13:58:06 <clever> lov: yep, fixed :)
Aug 06 13:58:20 <leslie> the bad news is, that won't tell you what's setting it to disabled
Aug 06 13:58:23 <leslie> I checked the whole file
Aug 06 13:58:35 <clever> yeah, i checked the pastebin
Aug 06 13:58:43 <clever> thats why i was trying to figure out why the file is missing
Aug 06 13:58:45 <lov> well, it's not something in that file that sets the field :P
Aug 06 13:58:49 <clever> now i can grep the REAL WHOLE source
Aug 06 13:58:54 <lov> clever: re-grep, now that your source is present :P
Aug 06 13:59:03 <clever> yep
Aug 06 13:59:04 <clever> ./java/android/net/wifi/WifiWatchdogStateMachine.java:                mWifiManager.disableNetwork(networkId, WifiConfiguration.DISABLED_DNS_FAILURE);
Aug 06 13:59:35 <clever> within the DnsCheckFailureState class
Aug 06 13:59:45 <clever> log("Disabling current SSID " + wifiInfoToStr(mConnectionInfo)
Aug 06 13:59:47 <leslie> is that the only place?
Aug 06 13:59:51 <clever> where do these log entrys go to?
Aug 06 14:00:03 <clever> leslie: given the class name, probly
Aug 06 14:00:05 <leslie> the system log probably (logcat)
Aug 06 14:01:05 <clever> leslie: no hits in my saved copy of logcat
Aug 06 14:01:15 <clever> logfile:E/WifiStateMachine( 1234): Failed 10 times, Disabling 0
Aug 06 14:01:24 <theposh> hi guys, short question
Aug 06 14:01:26 <leslie> it's possible that those messages are only enabled for debug builds of Android
Aug 06 14:01:46 <clever> leslie: my logcat has every single keypress i make
Aug 06 14:02:07 <thepoosh> :S
Aug 06 14:02:11 <leslie> hmm. no idea then
Aug 06 14:02:32 <thepoosh> i have an activity and I want to open it regularly once and as a modal view in a different use-case
Aug 06 14:02:53 <thepoosh> is there a doc somewhere explaining how to do this
Aug 06 14:03:03 <clever> E/WifiStateMachine( 1234): Static IP configuration failed: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to communicate with native daemon to interface setcfg - co
Aug 06 14:03:07 <clever> m.android.server.NativeDaemonConnectorException: Cmd {interface setcfg  10.0.0.35 25 [up]} failed with code 400 : {Failed to set address (No such device)}
Aug 06 14:05:24 <clever> leslie: i'm pretty sure the problem is in the java area, because i had no trouble running wpa_supplicant and /sbin/ip manualy in a tty
Aug 06 14:05:30 <clever> adb shell is now working over the wifi
Aug 06 14:06:12 <leslie> I'd check, but my internet is being derpy, and it's taking forever to clone
Aug 06 14:06:22 <clever> leslie: ah, i see why you mentioned debug
Aug 06 14:06:24 <CurlyBrace> leslie: thanks for the help!
Aug 06 14:06:27 <clever> if (DBG) log("Static IP configuration succeeded");
Aug 06 14:06:47 <clever> leslie: and as i would expect, good messages are only visible in debug builds, errors are always visible
Aug 06 14:07:04 <leslie> yeah, I thought so
Aug 06 14:07:30 <clever> leslie: i also saw massive errors from init failing to start the dhcp service, a few hours ago
Aug 06 14:07:37 <clever> thats why i switched to static ip
Aug 06 14:07:46 <clever> do you think that kind of failure would also impact static?
Aug 06 14:08:00 <leslie> I've never really used android-x86
Aug 06 14:08:05 <leslie> depends what caused it, I guess
Aug 06 14:08:17 <leslie> but you were saying that normal networking was fine
Aug 06 14:08:19 <clever> from a brief find|grep, the dhcp binarys dont exist
Aug 06 14:08:43 <clever> i bypasses the java ui and configured wifi manualy, and it works fine
Aug 06 14:09:03 <clever> so java is either failing somewhere, or mis-interpreting success as failure
Aug 06 14:09:27 <clever> able to communicate with native daemon to interface setcfg - com.android.server.NativeDaemonConnectorException: Cmd {interface setcfg  10.0.0.35 25 [up]} failed with code 400 : {Failed to set address (No such device)}
Aug 06 14:09:47 <clever> this error implies that the java process is talking to some native (c++?) service to do the actual work
Aug 06 14:10:03 <clever> wait, is that 2 spaces between setcfg and the ip?
Aug 06 14:10:41 <leslie> yes
Aug 06 14:10:56 <clever> http://pastebin.com/5uuDGqc0
Aug 06 14:11:03 <leslie> (not using fixed-width font with irc? tsk tsk :p)
Aug 06 14:11:07 <clever> maybe its trying (and failing) to put the interface in there
Aug 06 14:11:21 <clever> i am using fixed width in both irc and bash, but only just noticed that
Aug 06 14:11:47 <clever> i think the fault is coming from setInterfaceConfig
Aug 06 14:12:40 <clever> ./base/core/java/android/os/INetworkManagementService.aidl hmmm, this must be how c++ code gets called from java
Aug 06 14:12:53 <clever> i wonder where the function actualy lives :S
Aug 06 14:13:18 <mobileuser> 'hi android seems to insert a small space between 2 controls like 2 Buttons, how to remove this space so that the buttons appear one after another?
Aug 06 14:14:41 <leslie> mobileuser: do you have a screenshot?
Aug 06 14:15:22 <mobileuser> leslie: i meant my layout .xml file has these 2 buttons. <Button android:id="@+id/bt1" android:layout_width="fill_parent" android:layout_height="wrap_content" android:text="bt1"/><Button android:id="@+id/bt2" android:layout_width="fill_parent" android:layout_height="wrap_content" android:text="bt2"/>
Aug 06 14:16:04 <leslie> I'm aware, but that doesn't tell me what's causing the gap. it could be the image's background, or its margins
Aug 06 14:16:15 <brian_de> lov: it is indeed the permission, which makes the problem. but when a debug through to everything i can confirm that the correct (or at least expected) permission is used. any hints on how to correctly define such a permission?
Aug 06 14:16:20 <leslie> er, button's background*
Aug 06 14:16:36 <mobileuser> leslie: did you get me?
Aug 06 14:16:54 <leslie> you're saying you have two buttons next to each other, with a gap in the middle
Aug 06 14:16:57 <leslie> right?
Aug 06 14:17:08 <mobileuser> leslie: yes, i dont want this gap
Aug 06 14:17:22 <leslie> have you tried setting the margin on both buttons to 0?
Aug 06 14:17:50 <mobileuser> leslie: ty for the tip. i am pretty new to android development
Aug 06 14:18:17 <leslie> no worries
Aug 06 14:19:07 <clever> leslie: any idea where the function from that aidl is?
Aug 06 14:19:16 <leslie> not a clue
Aug 06 14:19:32 <clever> grep to the rescue!
Aug 06 14:21:05 <mobileuser> leslie: will the setPadding() method be used? btn1.setPadding(0,0,0,0); ?
Aug 06 14:21:43 <leslie> you should be able to set it in the xml, does android:layout_margin="0" work?
Aug 06 14:21:46 <tech1> whats better for android development, vim or emacs?
Aug 06 14:21:56 <leslie> neither
Aug 06 14:22:01 <mobileuser> ty
Aug 06 14:22:05 <tech1> so its just personal preference
Aug 06 14:22:23 <leslie> pretty much. neither one has anything particularly useful for Android
Aug 06 14:22:28 <mobileuser> i have no clue, the emulator takes a lot of time to start ...
Aug 06 14:22:51 <mobileuser> tech1: they are text editors aren;t they?
Aug 06 14:22:51 <leslie> mobileuser: once it's running, just keep it open, then it's not so much of a hassle
Aug 06 14:23:11 <tech1> well i know ill have to manually compile stuff and i dont use eclipses' auto completion/suggestion crap anyway
Aug 06 14:23:14 <tech1> i find eclipse slow
Aug 06 14:23:15 <mobileuser> leslie: i closed it unfortunately
Aug 06 14:23:26 <mobileuser> ant debug works
Aug 06 14:23:27 <tech1> they are text editor based yeh but with more functionality
Aug 06 14:23:46 <mobileuser> vi editor is hard to use, isnt gedit better?
Aug 06 14:24:00 <leslie> gedit is simpler but less powerful
Aug 06 14:24:16 <tech1> vi is juch more poweful
Aug 06 14:24:21 <mobileuser> i find vi hard to use
Aug 06 14:24:28 <mobileuser> !wq
Aug 06 14:24:30 <mobileuser> ...
Aug 06 14:24:42 <tech1> well ill try all of them and see what i like best
Aug 06 14:24:49 <tech1> best way to find out for myself i suppose
Aug 06 14:24:58 <CallumTaylor> use nano
Aug 06 14:25:04 <leslie> mobileuser: :x is a shortcut for :wq
Aug 06 14:25:04 <CallumTaylor> nano is sooo much better
Aug 06 14:25:14 <tech1> ok ill look nano up too thanks
Aug 06 14:25:26 <leslie> tech1: what OS do you use?
Aug 06 14:25:55 <tech1> i was using eclipse on vista. then my computer broke, got a new one and decided to install ubuntu studio -and it is much much better than vista :)
Aug 06 14:25:57 <mobileuser> leslie yes lol
Aug 06 14:25:59 <stork> nano is to vi what notepad is to notepad++
Aug 06 14:26:40 <tech1> im glad my old pc broke. or id probably still be using windows
Aug 06 14:26:42 <leslie> tech1: Sublime Text 2 is a new-ish one, but I like it so far
Aug 06 14:26:52 <tech1> cool ill check it out too
Aug 06 14:28:47 <dorei> hello
Aug 06 14:28:53 <Snuffel> hello
Aug 06 14:29:05 <dorei> is there some file in android that i could "cat" and get the OS version number?
Aug 06 14:29:31 <CurlyBrace> I THINK so
Aug 06 14:29:42 <leslie> dorei: any reason not to use the Java API to do that?
Aug 06 14:29:50 <xertoz> ((WebView)findViewById(R.id.mpView)).setBackgroundColor(0); and a background:rgba(0,0,0,0); in the URL's CSS won't give me a transparent WebView, what am I missing?
Aug 06 14:29:57 <CurlyBrace> might be an xml file in the settings app
Aug 06 14:30:07 <clever> tech1: windows can bearly hold a putty open to my linux box hear, its constantly dropping out :(
Aug 06 14:30:51 <xertoz> nvm, included the wrong CSS file :-)
Aug 06 14:31:03 <leslie> dorei: it might be /build.prop or something
Aug 06 14:31:12 <CodeFriar> Any JNI experts in the house ?
Aug 06 14:31:13 <dorei> oke, let me check :)
Aug 06 14:32:16 <tech1> ahh
Aug 06 14:35:06 <clever> ./base/services/java/com/android/server/NetworkManagementService.java:    public void setInterfaceConfig(
Aug 06 14:35:21 <clever> leslie: found it :)
Aug 06 14:35:38 <leslie> aha
Aug 06 14:36:13 <clever> and winblows craps out again
Aug 06 14:36:32 <EPG> so this "calculate sum" app already got ads in v2?
Aug 06 14:36:44 <dreamache> lol
Aug 06 14:37:09 <dreamache> 2d game engines.. recommendations?
Aug 06 14:37:18 <mobileuser> leslie: ty your solution worked. can you tell me how to place some buttons on top of some other buttons? like in this UI http://www.java-forums.org/attachments/awt-swing/1277d1319003523t-setting-sizes-jbuttons-grid-layout-free-piano-chords-1.jpg
Aug 06 14:37:25 <clever> String.format("interface setcfg %s %s %d %s", iface,
Aug 06 14:37:33 <clever> interface setcfg  10.0.0.35 25 [up]
Aug 06 14:37:38 <clever> leslie: i knew it!
Aug 06 14:38:16 <leslie> so it was the double space?
Aug 06 14:38:38 <clever> leslie: the double space is where the interface name is supposed to be
Aug 06 14:38:41 <clever> space, ifname, space
Aug 06 14:38:44 <leslie> ahh
Aug 06 14:38:46 <clever> but that string is blank
Aug 06 14:39:03 <clever> so it fails to set the ip on the interface after wifi is up
Aug 06 14:39:16 <leslie> bug report?
Aug 06 14:39:34 <clever> leslie: still need to find out why
Aug 06 14:39:44 <clever> leslie: http://pastebin.com/BrTQdsnD this is where the function is called from
Aug 06 14:39:51 <clever> wait wrong pastebin
Aug 06 14:40:09 <clever> http://pastebin.com/5uuDGqc0 this is where its called, line 21 in the paste, 2918 of the real file
Aug 06 14:43:26 <dorei> found it :)
Aug 06 14:43:28 <clever> E/CommandListener( 1187): Failed to open /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf//disable_ipv6: No such file or directory
Aug 06 14:43:33 <dorei> ro.build.version.release at /system/build.prop
Aug 06 14:43:41 <clever> leslie: same problem is in the ipv6 command, which i ignored thinking v6 wasnt enabled
Aug 06 14:43:49 <clever> leslie: empty interface string in the path
Aug 06 14:46:44 <funktronic> is there any special trickt ogetting multi-line notifications ?
Aug 06 14:47:27 <leslie> funktronic: which Android version?
Aug 06 14:47:51 <funktronic> jelly bean testing
Aug 06 14:48:03 <funktronic> haven't tried on ICS or lower yet
Aug 06 14:48:08 <leslie> check NotificationBuilder (NotificationCompat.Builder in the compat library)
Aug 06 14:49:20 <funktronic> leslie: shouldn't it just render my custom view anyways?
Aug 06 14:49:28 <leslie> sorry, Notification.Builder, not NotificationBuilder
Aug 06 14:49:42 <leslie> probably, I've never tried using a custom layout for notifications
Aug 06 14:50:06 <Aksu> have I missed something? google still hasn't paid last months revenue
Aug 06 15:00:03 <clever> leslie: looking to see where WifiStateMachine gets created now
Aug 06 15:00:38 <clever> ah, under services
Aug 06 15:01:52 <clever> SystemProperties.get("wifi.interface", "");
Aug 06 15:02:03 <clever> ok, now i'm close! :)
Aug 06 15:03:21 <leslie> so wifi.interface is undefined
Aug 06 15:04:01 <Aksu> have you guys gotten paid for last month?
Aug 06 15:04:10 <leslie> the second argument to get() is the default value if the property doesn't exist
Aug 06 15:05:19 <lov> Aksu: I got paid like friday
Aug 06 15:05:44 <clever> leslie: thats what i'm thinking now
Aug 06 15:06:34 <clever> leslie: do you know where that config is stored?
Aug 06 15:06:54 <Aksu> hmm. wonder what's wrong then
Aug 06 15:07:14 <sysRPL> is there a way to find the current activity?
Aug 06 15:08:25 <leslie> clever: if it's a read-only value it'd be in some *.prop file. but it might be set at runtime
Aug 06 15:08:44 <clever> leslie: are there any cli apps to peek at this stuff at run-time?
Aug 06 15:08:58 <leslie> not that I'm aware of
Aug 06 15:09:12 <clever> uid=0 gid=0@laptop:/ # grep -r wifi.interface . 2>/dev/null
Aug 06 15:09:24 <clever> i'll wait to see if this finds anything, while i check the code more
Aug 06 15:10:30 <leslie> sysRPL: "current activity" being what?
Aug 06 15:10:47 <sysRPL> for my app
Aug 06 15:11:11 <sysRPL> i want to be able to display a message box using AlertDialog ... without having to know or pass the activity
Aug 06 15:11:43 <leslie> can't you just pass it the "this" reference?
Aug 06 15:13:26 <sysRPL> private static void alert(String message) { new AlertDialog .Builder(/* get the current activity for my app here how?*/) .setIcon(android.R.drawable.ic_dialog_alert,).setTitle("Alert").setMessage(message).setPositiveButton("OK", null).show(); }
Aug 06 15:13:49 <sysRPL> leslie, i might not be calling "alert" from an activity
Aug 06 15:14:50 <sysRPL> leslie, like i have a log() function which i where i want to show a message on screen when the log is recording an error
Aug 06 15:14:53 <leslie> sysRPL: it doesn't have to be an Activity context. you can use the Application context possibly
Aug 06 15:16:30 <sysRPL> leslie, how?
Aug 06 15:17:10 <leslie> Context.getApplicationContext() I believe
Aug 06 15:17:21 <sysRPL> that's not static
Aug 06 15:17:32 <sysRPL> and it's abstract
Aug 06 15:17:35 <leslie> ah, hmm
Aug 06 15:18:00 <leslie> getApplication() ?
Aug 06 15:18:42 <sysRPL> neither of those are static
Aug 06 15:19:12 <leslie> I assume you're calling it from a service or something?
Aug 06 15:19:25 <sysRPL> no
Aug 06 15:19:37 <stork> ParentClass.this
Aug 06 15:19:46 <sysRPL> these aren't nner classes
Aug 06 15:19:54 <leslie> what are they then?
Aug 06 15:20:06 <sysRPL> class Log {}
Aug 06 15:20:12 <stork> so pass a reference to context in the constructor or method definition
Aug 06 15:20:22 <leslie> I think you need to pass a context, yeah
Aug 06 15:20:41 <sysRPL> class Log { public static void write(String s) { MessageBox.alert(s); } }
Aug 06 15:20:51 <sysRPL> private static void alert(String message) { new AlertDialog .Builder(/* get the current activity for my app here how?*/) .setIcon(android.R.drawable.ic_dialog_alert,).setTitle("Alert").setMessage(message).setPositiveButton("OK", null).show(); }
Aug 06 15:21:11 <stork> pass in a context reference
Aug 06 15:21:25 <sysRPL> these are static methods
Aug 06 15:21:27 <clever> leslie: i think its /dev/__properties__
Aug 06 15:21:46 <leslie> clever: then it's set at runtime
Aug 06 15:21:48 <sysRPL> i don't want to pass references to a activity all around
Aug 06 15:22:04 <clever> leslie: let me see if i can find other references to that prop in the code
Aug 06 15:22:06 <leslie> you need a context to display a dialog
Aug 06 15:22:08 <stork> don't use an alertdialog builder then :p
Aug 06 15:22:13 <sysRPL> i am asking if there is a way to get the activity context
Aug 06 15:22:23 <sysRPL> like the current activity for my app
Aug 06 15:22:35 <sysRPL> what you are telling me is the opposite of what i am asking ...
Aug 06 15:22:44 <sysRPL> i already AM passing the value
Aug 06 15:22:58 <sysRPL> and  am asking how to NOT have to pass the value
Aug 06 15:23:11 <stork> as far as I'm aware there is no such reference, which is probably why nobody has mentioned it
Aug 06 15:23:21 <sysRPL> i.e. some android api to give me the current activity for my app
Aug 06 15:23:26 <sysRPL> :(
Aug 06 15:23:32 <lov> sysRPL: that api doesn't exist. This is intentional.
Aug 06 15:23:42 <lov> sysRPL: you do not want to cache activity contexts anywhere if you can help it.
Aug 06 15:24:07 <lov> sysRPL: If you need to display a dialog when you're not in an activity, use an intent to start an activity that will display the dialog. You can theme the activity to be translucent, etc.
Aug 06 15:24:26 <clever> leslie: nothing in frameworks sets it, 2 places get
Aug 06 15:24:31 <clever> one of them with a sane default
Aug 06 15:24:37 <lov> generally, just throwing up dialogs from services while the user is doing something else is considered Really Crappy UX
Aug 06 15:24:45 <lov> so I'd very strongly encourage you to try just using a notification instead
Aug 06 15:24:51 <clever> lov: do you have a checkout of the official android frameworks?
Aug 06 15:25:00 <lov> clever: as of like a few weeks ago yes
Aug 06 15:25:01 <sysRPL> this is not a service
Aug 06 15:25:23 <clever> grep -r wifi.interface frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/WifiService.java frameworks/base/wifi/java/android/net/wifi/p2p/WifiP2pService.java
Aug 06 15:25:27 <clever> lov: can you run this?
Aug 06 15:25:27 <lov> sysRPL: doesn't matter if it's just some rando thread or what.
Aug 06 15:25:51 <lov> clever: sure, 1 sec
Aug 06 15:26:21 <sysRPL> example ... i have a StringList class with a load method ... it load fails, it calls my log.write() ... log.write() pops up and alert that an with detailed error information
Aug 06 15:26:23 <lov> avollmer@avollmer-2:~/mydroid$ grep -r wifi.interface frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/WifiService.java frameworks/base/wifi/java/android/net/wifi/p2p/WifiP2pService.java
Aug 06 15:26:28 <lov> frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/WifiService.java:        mInterfaceName =  SystemProperties.get("wifi.interface", "wlan0");
Aug 06 15:26:28 <Aksu> can someone else confirm. have you gotten payout from last month from google checkout?
Aug 06 15:26:43 <sysRPL> * if load fails
Aug 06 15:26:50 <clever> lov: no hit in WifiP2pService?
Aug 06 15:26:59 <lov> clever: that's the input and the output.
Aug 06 15:27:05 <clever> frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/WifiService.java:        mInterfaceName = SystemProperties.get("wifi.interface", "");
Aug 06 15:27:08 <lov> sysRPL: so?
Aug 06 15:27:11 <clever> and i see you have a sane default, i dont!
Aug 06 15:27:29 <lov> sysRPL: return an error condition, and check for errors in whatever is calling that.
Aug 06 15:27:35 <lov> sysRPL: or display a notification with an appropriate pending intent
Aug 06 15:27:47 <lov> it's reasonably safe to use the Application context to pass around into things
Aug 06 15:28:11 <lov> sysRPL: you could even send a BroadcastIntent, which you register programatically in your activity(s)
Aug 06 15:28:19 <lov> *register for
Aug 06 15:28:26 <sysRPL> lov, all i want is a simple alert() function to popup a dialog which i dismiss by pressing OK ... and the ability to call alert from anywhere
Aug 06 15:28:30 <clever> eefaf634 (Chih-Wei Huang                  2011-09-01 14:41:36 +0800  363)         mInterfaceName = SystemProperties.get("wifi.interface", "");
Aug 06 15:28:36 <lov> sysRPL: I already told you how to do that.
Aug 06 15:28:40 <clever> lov: bingo, git blame points at the owner of the -x86 fork!
Aug 06 15:28:59 <lov> sysRPL: you create an Activity which will display a dialog as its only function. You pass it the message values as bundle extras. You call startActivity.
Aug 06 15:29:36 <lov> sysRPL: Android is not browser javascript, it's not iOS, it's not winphone, it's not desktop windows, etc.
Aug 06 15:30:03 <clever> now for the hard part, getting jdk6 to obey and let me fix it
Aug 06 15:31:12 <sysRPL> lov, in oher words ... alert() is too complicated ... ty
Aug 06 15:31:34 <leslie> sysRPL: I don't see what the big deal is in just passing a context to the method
Aug 06 15:31:51 <sysRPL> leslie, because alert() is called sometimes 4 levels deep
Aug 06 15:31:57 <leslie> so?
Aug 06 15:32:31 <sysRPL> lov, so i dont want every single static method of my helper classes to require a Context argument
Aug 06 15:32:41 <sysRPL> that was to leslie
Aug 06 15:33:08 <leslie> I think that's the problem there, having everything static
Aug 06 15:33:51 <sysRPL> StringList items = new StringList(); list.load("shopping items.txt"); // log might be called here
Aug 06 15:34:38 <sysRPL> items.load()
Aug 06 15:34:50 <leslie> well then maybe have an ErrorDialog class and show that whenever necessary
Aug 06 15:35:04 <sysRPL> i have a MessageBox class
Aug 06 15:35:20 <leslie> but that'd still require a context, wouldn't it?
Aug 06 15:35:25 <sysRPL> yes
Aug 06 15:36:00 <sysRPL> log calls MessageBox.alert() if item written is an error
Aug 06 15:36:44 <sysRPL> and alert() can't work unless it has the currnt activity
Aug 06 15:37:36 <leslie> you could store a copy of the Application context, but I dunno if that's bad practice
Aug 06 15:37:55 <sysRPL> leslie, but if i open a new activity then alert stops working
Aug 06 15:38:19 <leslie> you're not supposed to keep around references to the activity.
Aug 06 15:38:31 <leslie> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2002288/static-way-to-get-context-on-android try the top answer
Aug 06 15:39:49 <sysRPL> i'll try,, but i am not sure Activity and Application are interchangeable contexts
Aug 06 15:39:55 <lov> 11:29:43 < lov> sysRPL: Android is not browser javascript, it's not iOS, it's not winphone, it's not desktop  windows, etc.
Aug 06 15:40:12 <sysRPL> lov, in oher words ... alert() is too complicated ... ty
Aug 06 15:40:12 <lov> My point is that you need to get out of the frame of mind that you are the one and only application that the user is running while your code runs.
Aug 06 15:40:15 <lov> no
Aug 06 15:40:21 <lov> in other words "alert may not be appropriate for the user at the time"
Aug 06 15:40:36 <sysRPL> it's not going to poup and interrupt the user
Aug 06 15:40:44 <lov> isn't that EXACTLY what you're asking for?
Aug 06 15:40:46 <sysRPL> popup
Aug 06 15:40:48 <sysRPL> no
Aug 06 15:40:49 <lov> showing a dialog from an arbitrary location?
Aug 06 15:41:03 <sysRPL> i want to find the current activity for my application
Aug 06 15:41:07 <sysRPL> not other applications
Aug 06 15:41:10 <lov> >_<
Aug 06 15:41:22 <lov> your application may not even have a relevant activity available.
Aug 06 15:41:37 <sysRPL> lov it will
Aug 06 15:41:40 <lov> oh really?
Aug 06 15:41:45 <sysRPL> yeah
Aug 06 15:41:53 <lov> uses presses home while using your app
Aug 06 15:41:57 <lov> what's the "current" activity?
Aug 06 15:42:12 <lov> hell, user presses back while using your app, finishing the last activity on the stack.
Aug 06 15:42:18 <sysRPL> nothing is going to invoke alert but for a user action
Aug 06 15:42:28 <sysRPL> if a user takes an action, there is an activity
Aug 06 15:42:43 <lov> sysRPL: then you're framing your question very poorly, because that is not at all clear
Aug 06 15:42:56 <lov> sysRPL: is this going to be a member method of your activity? If so, look into showDialog
Aug 06 15:43:15 <sysRPL> lov, maybe you out to pay atention
Aug 06 15:43:27 <lov> maybe you ought to learn android
Aug 06 15:43:38 <stork> and learn how to spell ought
Aug 06 15:43:57 <stork> everything else i can forgive, but you crossed a line there..
Aug 06 15:44:16 <dogarrhea2> why does android error soooo much while doing nothign?
Aug 06 15:44:27 <lov> dogarrhea2: because programmers
Aug 06 15:44:28 <leslie> dogarrhea2: meaning?
Aug 06 15:44:34 <stork> samsung galaxy s2?
Aug 06 15:45:03 <stork> samsung engineers seem to have gotten VERBOSE and ERROR confused when they wrote touchwiz
Aug 06 15:45:10 <lov> s/samsung/oem/
Aug 06 15:45:12 <sysRPL> user clicks a button called "load text" public void onLoadTextClick(View view) { StringList notes = new StringList(); notes.("recent notes.txt");  / *  MessageBox.alert() is called from log.write() is called from StringList.load();  */ }
Aug 06 15:45:22 <stork> well whoever wrote touchwiz
Aug 06 15:45:38 <clever> lov: i think i fixed jdk6, my PATH was a mess
Aug 06 15:45:48 <clever> make tried to clean it up, and lost the bin/ for jdk
Aug 06 15:45:52 <lov> sysRPL: pass the activity, preferably an interface that the activity implements, as one of the arguments to your method call.
Aug 06 15:46:09 <dogarrhea2> yes i'm on a galaxy s2 and all i see are ERROR/Watch dog ERROR admarvelservice ERROR/SocialHub ERROR/AudioHardware ERROR/IPPHONESettings
Aug 06 15:46:23 <sysRPL> lov, then i have activity being passed to StringList, Log, and MessageBox
Aug 06 15:46:24 <dogarrhea2> 100 or so of these errors
Aug 06 15:46:26 <sysRPL> no thank you
Aug 06 15:46:32 <lov> dogarrhea2: you think that's bad, samsung used to log binary data at error level with no tag, making it impossible to filter out.
Aug 06 15:46:42 <RixiM> i am running android in the SDK provided emulator and mounting loopback block devices is failing, how do i fix it?
Aug 06 15:46:58 <lov> sysRPL: fuck it. Just shove it in a singleton since that's clearly what you're aiming at despite all sorts of caution to the contrary.
Aug 06 15:47:00 <dogarrhea2> so android is just broken?
Aug 06 15:47:03 <leslie> sysRPL: like it or not, that's how it works in Android
Aug 06 15:47:06 <lov> just shove the fucking variable in a static variable.
Aug 06 15:47:13 <lov> willingly use an antipattern.
Aug 06 15:47:18 <dogarrhea2> how the heck am i supposed to debug this
Aug 06 15:47:22 <lov> you clearly don't want to do it correctly.
Aug 06 15:47:28 <sysRPL> lov, and what if i shange to a new activity? then it breaks
Aug 06 15:47:38 <lov> just have every fucking activity set that singleton value.
Aug 06 15:47:40 <lov> I don't even care.
Aug 06 15:47:44 <lov> you apparently just want to argue
Aug 06 15:47:50 <sysRPL> lov, you are clearly carrying water for a broken api design
Aug 06 15:47:52 <lov> I've given you like 5 possible approaches
Aug 06 15:47:53 <dogarrhea2> it spits out 20 or so errors every minute
Aug 06 15:48:04 <lov> all of which you reject but with no good reason aside from "NO! I JUST WANT CURRENT ACTIVITY! >:("
Aug 06 15:48:27 <lov> you're obviously looking for a particular answer but I don't know what it is, so just do whatever you're going to do anyway
Aug 06 15:48:30 <sysRPL> there is no reason to make something like alert() so complicated
Aug 06 15:48:37 <lov> you're right.
Aug 06 15:48:40 <lov> android is fundamentally broken.
Aug 06 15:48:47 <lov> no one had any possible design when making it
Aug 06 15:48:54 <lov> you, sir, are the first person to ever consider this.
Aug 06 15:49:00 <sysRPL> nice hyperbole
Aug 06 15:49:01 <lov> congratulations.
Aug 06 15:49:02 <lov> you win.
Aug 06 15:49:05 <dragorn> lov: I knew it!  The secret has been kept from me all along!
Aug 06 15:49:14 <lov> dogarrhea2: yeah, it sucks. You can always log only your tag.
Aug 06 15:49:21 <sysRPL> wow, fanboi much?
Aug 06 15:49:26 <lov> dogarrhea2: you can also set other tags to assert level
Aug 06 15:49:48 <lov> sysRPL: I literally don't understand what you want. You want me to tell you how to perform some functionality that, BY INTENTIONAL DESIGN, does not exist.
Aug 06 15:49:51 <leslie> dogarrhea2: newer ADT releases let you filter only your app
Aug 06 15:50:01 <lov> I've given you several methods by which you can do this, but you don't want to use them for I don't even fucking know why.
Aug 06 15:50:12 <dreamache> is this real life?
Aug 06 15:50:16 <stork> i read a nice skit the other day about how sometimes people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are and thus go about their lives under the mistaken impression that they're actually pretty competent
Aug 06 15:50:19 <sysRPL> lov: i guess you never had the need to write a class library
Aug 06 15:50:20 <leslie> is this just fantasy?
Aug 06 15:50:22 <Leeds> dreamache: no, it's just fantasy
Aug 06 15:50:30 <sysRPL> lov: you just copy and paste code all over
Aug 06 15:50:40 <lov> sysRPL: by far the simplest and most appropriate solution is to send a broadcast intent with the information, and have your activities register a receiver for that
Aug 06 15:50:43 <RixiM> dreamache: it's text on a screen.
Aug 06 15:50:47 <lov> but you don't want to do that because ???
Aug 06 15:50:56 <dogarrhea2> ok, back to the general question: how to capture audio OUTPUT in general, whether it's to the ear speaker on phone, headset (bluetooth/wired), or speaker, how do you capture that output?
Aug 06 15:51:12 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: not sure you can.
Aug 06 15:51:15 <lov> ^^
Aug 06 15:51:21 <sysRPL> lov, you mentioned that before
Aug 06 15:51:39 <sysRPL> lov, and like i said ... alert is too complicated ... ty
Aug 06 15:51:43 <lov> you're right.
Aug 06 15:51:45 <lov> it's too complicated.
Aug 06 15:51:47 <dogarrhea2> dragorn: why's that?  i am thinking about what others saida bout not being able to capture phone call audio, but what if you could redirect that audio to a place where you can
Aug 06 15:51:47 <lov> android is broken.
Aug 06 15:51:51 <lov> you should just develop for ios and leave
Aug 06 15:51:53 <sysRPL> hyperbole again
Aug 06 15:51:59 <sysRPL> fanboi
Aug 06 15:52:06 <dragorn> sysRPL: You've chosen to develop for android, for whatever reason
Aug 06 15:52:12 <RixiM> sysRPL: how is fanboi a cogent response?
Aug 06 15:52:19 <dragorn> sysRPL: at some point, you have to come to terms with the fact that the API is what it is
Aug 06 15:52:24 <leslie> dogarrhea2: I don't believe that's possible
Aug 06 15:52:26 <dragorn> sysRPL: either work with that, or stop developing for android
Aug 06 15:52:33 <leslie> unless there's something in the NDK, dogarrhea2
Aug 06 15:52:33 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: I imagine if nothing else they want to enforce drm
Aug 06 15:52:37 <sysRPL> i thought maybe there was a function/api to get the activity
Aug 06 15:52:49 <lov> for like the 50th time by design there is not.
Aug 06 15:52:59 <dogarrhea2> dragorn, everyone knows drm is not working software
Aug 06 15:53:03 <dragorn> leslie: It'd be a permissions problem.  you could do it on a rooted device, by inserting a new sound output driver module or something
Aug 06 15:53:21 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: That's nice, but I didn't design it.  I'm offering a reason that they would not support internal audio capturing.
Aug 06 15:53:24 <stork> generally if you're looking for functionality that isn't in the android platform you're doing something wrong and should re-think you're approach
Aug 06 15:53:48 <Leeds> stork: "your"
Aug 06 15:53:55 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: It's also something very few applications would need, and probably risks exposing private data as well depending on how the architecture implements phone audio
Aug 06 15:54:02 <lov> ^^
Aug 06 15:54:04 <dogarrhea2> stork: that sounds pretty stupid.  "if it's not provided, dont do it" ?
Aug 06 15:54:04 <stork> thanks
Aug 06 15:54:08 <dragorn> I'd consider it worth it to not let something spy on, say, google voice (or other voip) calls
Aug 06 15:54:21 <lov> dogarrhea2: it's basically because of privacy and legal concerns.
Aug 06 15:54:21 <RixiM> dogarrhea2: isn't that reality and life in general?
Aug 06 15:54:39 <stork> dogarrhea2: not really. More like, "if it's not provided you are probably going about it the wrong way"
Aug 06 15:54:49 <dogarrhea2> dragorn: i'm not really concerned with the ethics or market demand. there IS demand for an app like this
Aug 06 15:54:58 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: again, arguing with me does nothing
Aug 06 15:55:00 <RixiM> dogarrhea2: root it and keep it moving.
Aug 06 15:55:03 <lov> ^^
Aug 06 15:55:04 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: because I didn't design the API
Aug 06 15:55:07 <dogarrhea2> let's all stop pretending to be business analysts
Aug 06 15:55:13 <sysRPL> and fanboi is relevant because rather than waying "yeah, it is a bit too complex", i get sarcasm like "your right, no one ever thought of that. android is broken"" and more hyperbole deflecting the point that something could be better by sarcastically saying everyone should given up due to some flaw i mentioned ... the most likely reason someone would act like that is because they are a fanboi
Aug 06 15:55:20 <sysRPL> probably < 25 years of age
Aug 06 15:55:23 <leslie> dogarrhea2: there's nothing in the Java APIs to do what you're asking
Aug 06 15:55:27 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: I'm just telling you "this is why it won't work the way you want".  It's unfortunate for your life that it will not, but telling me "drm sucks" isn't going to change a thing.
Aug 06 15:55:59 <RixiM> dogarrhea2: why are you even talking about this? root the device and install the kernel level stuff you need. Done and Done.
Aug 06 15:56:12 <dogarrhea2> RixiM: for one phone
Aug 06 15:56:29 <dragorn> dogarrhea2: so an equally useful answer at the moment to you would be "the baby jesus hates you, so you can't capture audio".  The way to do it on a linux environment would be to install a virtual audio card driver, or otherwise hook right into the alsa layer in linux.  It will require rooting.
Aug 06 15:56:30 <RixiM> huh?
Aug 06 15:56:50 <lov> dogarrhea2: there is no good, general solution to your problem, sorry.
Aug 06 15:57:11 <lov> dogarrhea2: the best you can do is look at other apps that have done this, and try to figure out how they did it. Mostly, it's been done via non-public apis and extra microphone hardware on device.
Aug 06 15:57:14 <Leeds> everybody needs to calm down and have a beer
Aug 06 15:57:17 <RixiM> dogarrhea2: you couldn't do what you are trying to do without root on a *nix box anyway, welcome to the 60s.
Aug 06 15:57:34 <leslie> dogarrhea2: are you trying to record all output or specifically phone call data?
Aug 06 15:58:16 <dogarrhea2> i can settle for just phone call audio
Aug 06 15:58:27 <dogarrhea2> but it seems like it can be redirected to various places
Aug 06 15:58:28 <leslie> dogarrhea2: well then that may be possible. check AudioRecorder class
Aug 06 15:59:42 <leslie> dogarrhea2: sorry, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaRecorder.html
Aug 06 16:03:28 <clever> leslie: i'm fairly certain that one line is my entire problem
Aug 06 16:04:03 <clever> oh dang, he had to quit then! lol
Aug 06 16:21:36 <I440r> +ok so if i have an ImageView defined in main.xml how would i programatically redraw it. do i NEED to create a class for that view and use onDraw() or can i associate a canvas with an existing view etc
Aug 06 16:25:21 <lov> I440r: do you want to customize what's being drawn? If you want to reuse existing imageview functionality, just subclass ImageView and override the onDraw there. If you want to do arbitrary drawing in a performance sensitive way, I'd recommend using a SurfaceView / GLSurfaceView.
Aug 06 16:27:15 <I440r> hrm ill have to look into that whole gl surfaceview idea yea
Aug 06 16:27:37 <I440r> tho in this instance performance isnt a big deal. it gets updated ones every 8 seconds or so :)
Aug 06 16:27:51 <lov> you probably don't need a SurfaceView then
Aug 06 16:28:05 <lov> just subclass ImageView or whatever view is appropriate and do your own drawing
Aug 06 16:28:12 <I440r> is there no way to just overwrite the existing views image without creating whole new class for the view?
Aug 06 16:29:02 <I440r> blargh. kinda didnt want to subclass imageview.  im not sure if that will work.. can you have more than one view subclassed?  i already have a custom view subclassed
Aug 06 16:44:39 <BlackYue> I'm having an issue with an app of mine which should create files on the device so that later the user can copy them over USB, send via bluetooth, etc. For a specific tablet that my customer have, none of the Environment.getXXXDirectory() methods are able to return the correct path where I should store files on that device (/LocalDisk). Is there an elegant way to workarround this, without
Aug 06 16:44:39 <BlackYue> having to hardcode device specific paths on the app?
Aug 06 16:45:12 <Leeds> what device is it?
Aug 06 16:45:20 <BlackYue> IBAK-784
Aug 06 16:45:47 <geaaru> hi, i'm trying to compile an application with NfcAdapterExtras class with android-maven-plugin but I have a package doesn't exist. Under android sources directory are there file about nfc_entras package but not on android.jar (for android-16). Is there a dedicated jar file about nfc_extras ?How can i configure pom file ? thanks in advance
Aug 06 16:45:58 <Leeds> you might find it hard to get much help with something like that...
Aug 06 16:46:09 <Leeds> geaaru: sorry, that was to BlackYue not to you :)
Aug 06 16:46:41 <geaaru> Leeds: np
Aug 06 16:47:45 <freedomcaller> is is possable to creat a project without the support library?
Aug 06 16:47:57 <BlackYue> Leeds: what would you suggest?
Aug 06 16:48:36 <schwiz2010> can i talk now?
Aug 06 16:48:39 <schwiz2010> yay :D
Aug 06 16:48:46 <BlackYue> I think so
Aug 06 16:51:07 <JakeWharton> freedomcaller: yes
Aug 06 16:52:38 <bubbleguuum> Is it possible to create an hardware accelerated Canvas with new Canvas() ? isHardwareAccelerated always returns false regardless of android:hardwareAccelerated="true" being set in the manifest
Aug 06 16:53:02 <freedomcaller> O_o how?
Aug 06 16:53:11 <freedomcaller> the new project wizard seems to force it
Aug 06 16:53:24 <bubbleguuum> ..and that's just to query max bitmap size with Canvas.getMaximumBitmapWidth()
Aug 06 16:53:48 <Aksu> I am unsure, but isn't canvas hw-accelerated only after 3.* or so. what version do you have?
Aug 06 16:54:40 <bubbleguuum> Aksu: it is not hw only: you can required unaccelerated views with android:layerType. This on ICS.
Aug 06 16:54:43 <UnbertKant> Hey there! Is there a way to figure out which class I'm in in a static method?
Aug 06 16:54:54 <schwiz2010> Guys, I'm trying to pull the IndexterListAdapter out of the 4.1 contacts app but it is using an adapter from com.android.common.widget.* does anyone know where to find this "andorid-common" library?
Aug 06 16:55:23 <leslie> freedomcaller: is there any particular reason you don't want the support library?
Aug 06 16:55:35 <lov> BlackYue: Is this a one-off that you're writing for a particular customer for a particular device, or does it need to be general?
Aug 06 16:55:42 <freedomcaller> i just dont use it
Aug 06 16:55:55 <leslie> you can just remove it after you create the project then
Aug 06 16:56:08 <UnbertKant> Class A has a static method, class B extends A, I call call B.staticMethod, how can staticMethod do something similiar to this.getClass()?
Aug 06 16:57:43 <16SABSBW8> bubbleguuum: no you can't
Aug 06 16:57:51 <leslie> UnbertKant: Google seems to suggest this code: return new Object() { }.getClass().getEnclosingClass();
Aug 06 16:57:51 <TheTrash> UnbertKant: it can't, as far as I know. There is no "this" equivalent.
Aug 06 16:58:28 <TheTrash> Hm that is ugly but it might work :D
Aug 06 16:59:12 <bubbleguuum> romainguy_: hehe I knew you'd know the answer. What is the best way to query for the maximum accelerated bitmap wxh which will not trigger a "Bitmap too large to be uploaded into a texture" error ?
Aug 06 16:59:32 <romainguy_> Canvas.getMaximumBitmap*
Aug 06 17:00:00 <bubbleguuum> sure but it returs  32Kx32 or so
Aug 06 17:00:11 <romainguy_> in software yes
Aug 06 17:00:17 <bubbleguuum> which seems to be for softwaer canvases
Aug 06 17:00:34 <bubbleguuum> I need this max size for accelerated canvases
Aug 06 17:00:58 <schwiz2010> romainguy_ do you know where I can find the "android-common" library needed to build the People app thats up on github?
Aug 06 17:01:04 <romainguy_> then call this method on an hardware accelerated canvas
Aug 06 17:01:40 <bubbleguuum>  romainguy_: 2048x2048 is a safe bet but there's probably some devices with higher values (like the asus transformer with 1900 resolution) ?
Aug 06 17:01:53 <romainguy_> just call the method
Aug 06 17:01:55 <bubbleguuum> romainguy_: how do I create one ? it needs a fake Bitmap ?
Aug 06 17:02:07 <romainguy_> (and the transformer has a 2048x2048 limit too)
Aug 06 17:02:16 <romainguy_> just use the canvas passed down to views
Aug 06 17:02:40 <bubbleguuum> there is no View.getCanvas(). How do I get this canvas ?
Aug 06 17:03:09 <romainguy_> override onDraw(Canvas)
Aug 06 17:03:25 <bubbleguuum> If there is no device that use something higher than 2048x2048 I can just hardcode that value as well
Aug 06 17:03:52 <romainguy_> you cannot assume this
Aug 06 17:04:12 <bubbleguuum> romainguy_: yes I can override it but I wish there was an easier way
Aug 06 17:04:27 <romainguy_> the other way is to create your own OpenGL context
Aug 06 17:04:30 <romainguy_> but it's not easier
Aug 06 17:04:33 <bubbleguuum> hhhm I see
Aug 06 17:05:01 <bubbleguuum> it is very useful to know this max size when making a photo gallery component
Aug 06 17:05:14 <romainguy_> which is why Canvas has this API
Aug 06 17:05:39 <bubbleguuum> these are constants so it would be useful to access these in a static way
Aug 06 17:06:03 <romainguy_> they depend on the GPU driver
Aug 06 17:06:14 <romainguy_> they could in theory change between two versions of Android
Aug 06 17:06:44 <bubbleguuum> an easy static API call could return these values still
Aug 06 17:06:49 <romainguy_> no
Aug 06 17:06:59 <bubbleguuum> because it is not going to change at runtime
Aug 06 17:07:05 <romainguy_> because it needs an OpenGL context
Aug 06 17:07:18 <joakime> bubbleguuum: what happens on dual screen devices?
Aug 06 17:07:23 <bubbleguuum> hhhm ok
Aug 06 17:07:28 <BlackYue> lov: It should be general
Aug 06 17:08:08 <romainguy_> I love the official GL documentation on this topic: "The value gives a rough estimate of the largest texture that the GL can handle."
Aug 06 17:08:20 <Waynes> I am trying to build my ndk source with eclipse but I get this error http://pastebin.com/EpFm7zVy I have read that I had to add permission to something, but I don't know how exactly that would look like (linux)
Aug 06 17:08:22 <bubbleguuum> I just need this size before drawing the ImageView.
Aug 06 17:08:40 <bubbleguuum> onDraw() is not going to help much
Aug 06 17:08:46 <BlackYue> I think I'll end up having to do something like if (deviceX) return new File("/LocalDisk"); else return Environment.getXXXDirectory();
Aug 06 17:08:49 <romainguy_> bubbleguuum: you can wait until after the first frame
Aug 06 17:08:57 <romainguy_> and/or assume max =2048 for the first frame
Aug 06 17:09:04 <bubbleguuum> ?
Aug 06 17:09:05 <romainguy_> (but check the value afterwards anyway)
Aug 06 17:09:30 <lov> BlackYue: yeah, that's about all you can do :|
Aug 06 17:09:41 <BlackYue> =(
Aug 06 17:09:50 <lov> BlackYue: I'd say "yell at the manufacturer for fucking up the apis"
Aug 06 17:09:52 <bubbleguuum> what does the Gallery app do to deal with this ? Or does it always downscale images ?
Aug 06 17:09:57 <lov> but god knows no one is going to listen, let alone put out an update.
Aug 06 17:10:01 <romainguy_> bubbleguuum: it's written in GL
Aug 06 17:10:06 <romainguy_> and it tiles images
Aug 06 17:10:11 <romainguy_> it can load 22 Mpixels images for instance
Aug 06 17:10:12 <bubbleguuum> ah ok
Aug 06 17:10:35 <kaneda^> morning
Aug 06 17:10:38 <kaneda^> or, afternoon
Aug 06 17:10:53 <bubbleguuum> btw using android:layerType="software" solves the problem but is damn slow :p
Aug 06 17:11:16 <romainguy_> so it doesn't solve anything :)
Aug 06 17:11:31 <bubbleguuum> indeed, it add a different problem :p
Aug 06 17:12:18 <bubbleguuum> not sure how to deal with that in onDraw() tbh
Aug 06 17:13:18 <Waynes> tiling sounds like a good solution
Aug 06 17:13:49 <romainguy_> I'd like to have Canvas automatically tile large bitmaps for you
Aug 06 17:13:56 <romainguy_> as soon as I have time… :(
Aug 06 17:14:02 <bubbleguuum> great =)
Aug 06 17:14:08 <nuce> Hi i'am new at programming android apps, i have an activity A which starts a service. The service connects via sockets to a server, in this service i have methods to interact with this server.
Aug 06 17:14:12 <nuce> In Activity B i bind the service and uses its method to interact with the server. Is that the right way to use one network connection to a server from different Activities?
Aug 06 17:14:35 <romainguy_> bubbleguuum: it's not going to help you for now though :)
Aug 06 17:15:07 <WindowsNT> bluetooth problem: BluetoothSocket::connect() throws and the log says "can't start service discovery".
Aug 06 17:15:16 <WindowsNT> what would be the problem? using standard serial uuid
Aug 06 17:16:02 <WindowsNT> "unable to start service discovery" precisely
Aug 06 17:17:16 <bubbleguuum> romainguy_: sure. Probably going to hardcode 2048 for now as I cannot spend too much time on this. It is only an issue with screen width > 1024, thus tablets
Aug 06 17:17:21 <lov> nuce: effectively, yes.
Aug 06 17:17:49 <lov> nuce: I'm not sure how you're directing the service via B; generally, the service should know enough about how to keep the connection alive, perform general commands, etc.
Aug 06 17:17:54 <lov> B should be able to give it general direction.
Aug 06 17:18:16 <lov> nuce: don't forget, B could be stopped and restarted at any time, so you want to make sure your service can survive independently of this
Aug 06 17:18:44 <nuce> it works everything fine in different activities i only wanted to know if i handle it the right way
Aug 06 17:19:12 <nuce> lov: thx
Aug 06 17:20:03 <lov> nuce: yeah, you're probably fine as long as you properly handle lifecycle changes
Aug 06 17:22:51 <WindowsNT> grrr
Aug 06 17:22:55 <WindowsNT> seems like bt is buggy?
Aug 06 17:23:06 <WindowsNT> can't connect two phones
Aug 06 17:23:08 <nuce> lov: i want to show the results from a method of the service in an activity c. should i start this activity from the service via intent with the flag "Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK" or is that "bad"?
Aug 06 17:23:15 <nuce> lov: my other thought was to give the results via broacast receiver back to activity B and start from B the result activity C
Aug 06 17:23:34 <lov> nuce: it's not "bad", it just may not be what you wanted to do :)
Aug 06 17:23:43 <lov> a broadcast receiver is a totally reasonable way to send data back
Aug 06 17:23:58 <lov> if BRs won't cut it, you can register callbacks
Aug 06 17:25:52 <nuce> lov: i am going on to look for a callback solution, thx ;)
Aug 06 17:25:52 <dogarrhea2> i'm a bit unclear on the android deployment process in intellij:  It installs app on the physical device and does nothing more than output logs?  how do you "end" or "stop" the app from running in intellij? i don't see any such functionality (red stop button is blanked out)
Aug 06 17:26:28 <JakeWharton> Android doesn't work like that
Aug 06 17:26:29 <JakeWharton> y
Aug 06 17:26:34 <JakeWharton> you're not running on a local VM
Aug 06 17:27:24 <dogarrhea2> i'm just trying to avoid the invalid state exceptions i've been encountering
Aug 06 17:27:39 <dogarrhea2> i think it's due to some deployment bugs where maybe my app is not really closed out and reinstalled or somethin
Aug 06 17:27:41 <boing> dogarr, just re-start the app in intellij and itll overwrite it on hte device and begin a new debug session.
Aug 06 17:28:14 <kaneda^> dogarrhea2, if you try to uninstall while the prog is mounted you can get that
Aug 06 17:28:23 <kaneda^> and then if it fails to unmount it restarts the device i believe
Aug 06 17:29:01 <boing> Question: if android destorys an activity (for whatever reason), and tries to re-create it (maybe user pressed back)...will the original intent, if there was on, stil exist with getIntent()? Or could it be gone?
Aug 06 17:29:20 <lov> boing: the original intent should be there, yes.
Aug 06 17:29:22 <boing> Apologies for my spelling...oops.
Aug 06 17:29:24 <boing> Thanks lov!
Aug 06 17:29:42 <SimonVT> Shouldn't be there if the user presses back
Aug 06 17:30:11 <SimonVT> but for other reasons, yeah
Aug 06 17:30:59 <lov> ^^
Aug 06 17:31:14 <lov> if the activity is finished, this is no longer the case (as you'll be getting a new intent altogether to start it again)
Aug 06 17:33:44 <boing> Ok. My scenario is simple, an intent starts an activity with extra data saying "show A" or "show B" (for example)...I was just wondering if I need to save that choice in the activity (in case it is killed/re-created)m or if I can rely on getIntent() always having that data...
Aug 06 17:34:11 <lov> You can probably rely on getIntent having that data.
Aug 06 17:34:17 <boing> Cool
Aug 06 17:34:27 <boing> Thanks...
Aug 06 17:34:51 <lov> mind you, depending on your activity's task flags, you might want to call setIntent in onNewIntent
Aug 06 17:35:33 <boing> Yeah, I'm using default flags. But good thing to note, thanks.
Aug 06 17:35:41 <SimonVT> Get an ICS+ device, go to developer options, enable "don't keep activities", try it out
Aug 06 17:36:27 <boing> nice one
Aug 06 17:37:08 <SimonVT> or, simply do an orientation change :p
Aug 06 17:37:41 <boing> haha
Aug 06 17:38:10 <bubbleguuum> romainguy_:  a new ExifInterface(InputStream is)  API would be nice, as it would allow to read EXIF info from http streams for example
Aug 06 17:38:47 <boing> i have, and it works fine...but, that's a configuration change...and android might be a bit nicer in the data it retains. but for a long living unused activity, i wasnt so sure..
Aug 06 17:38:54 <bubbleguuum> I had to use the metadata-extractor Java api just because of this missing API
Aug 06 17:38:58 <boing> probably worrying over nothing.
Aug 06 17:39:10 <SimonVT> I goes through the same cycle
Aug 06 17:39:23 <boing> yeah, cool
Aug 06 17:41:38 <p_l|abdn> g00thanks for the unexpected ass-kicking link :)
Aug 06 17:42:23 <dogarrhea2> hrm. tried recording 10 minutes of audio with http://www.pasteall.org/34336 and my app crashed.  gonna try and replicate but maybe everyone has ideas before 10 minutes or so is up
Aug 06 17:43:28 <lov> dogarrhea2: a stacktrace would help.
Aug 06 17:43:53 <dogarrhea2> yea im getting there. in 10 minutes or so. i am sure it's having trouble with creating the file to play for playback
Aug 06 17:44:15 <themirror> romainguy_: Are you aware of this? Please let me know if you have a workaround. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 17:44:31 <lov> dogarrhea2: ok. Whenever an app crashes, look in logcat for either a javaland stacktrace or a nice fat segfault
Aug 06 17:45:25 <dogarrhea2> hrm when would a segfault happen? i thought that is a C related issue only
Aug 06 17:45:36 <themirror> The views become holes through which the previous screen's content shows
Aug 06 17:46:19 <birbeck> the android m2e connector was updated. i can finally restart eclipse without getting build errors
Aug 06 17:47:45 <bubbleguuum> is eclipse+ADT+maven viable nowadays ?
Aug 06 17:47:47 <lov> dogarrhea2: generally, yes.
Aug 06 17:47:58 <lov> dogarrhea2: if you're really lucky, however, there's a frameworks bug, or an oem "enhancement"
Aug 06 17:48:25 <BlackYue> Is there any way to identify the device my app is running, other than android.os.Build.*?
Aug 06 17:48:43 <lov> BlackYue: from the public apis, no, not really.
Aug 06 17:49:32 <lov> BlackYue: there's always reading /system/build.prop, if you're feeling saucy
Aug 06 17:49:59 <lov> that's mostly information that'll be replicated in os.Build anyway
Aug 06 17:51:32 <BlackYue> lov: I was going to use it to workarround the other issue I was talking here regarding Environment.getXXXDirectory(), but this f*cking IBAK tablet doesn't even identify itself
Aug 06 17:52:49 <birbeck> bubblegum, eclipse+adt+maven works fine
Aug 06 17:53:22 <lov> BlackYue: there might be only so much you can do. You could require that your customer install some sort of "marker" application so that your app can identify it, or to have a particular file in the storage, etc
Aug 06 17:54:16 <lov> Oh, a froyo tablet. Nice.
Aug 06 17:54:33 <lov> BlackYue: good luck with THAT.
Aug 06 17:55:17 <dogarrhea2> funny. the app did not crash this time
Aug 06 17:59:25 <kaneda^> hmm, so my animation doesn't complete fast enough, and so it gets stuck behind some objects that become visible
Aug 06 17:59:37 <kaneda^> is there an animation callback so taht i can set images visible after animation is complete?
Aug 06 18:00:24 <dogarrhea2> what do these INFOs mean? http://www.pasteall.org/34337  I'm not too worried about them, just curious
Aug 06 18:01:55 <BlackYue> lov: Would it be possible to do something like a try-and-error? I mean, at app start I check if Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() doesn't even exist, I'll go with new File("/LocalDisk") from now on. Oterwise, I keep using Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory()
Aug 06 18:02:13 <hamiltont> is there any way I can use dd to take an exact image of the SDcard?
Aug 06 18:02:45 <hamiltont> I've lost some experiment data from a major experiment, and I'm trying to recover but I have to root, which will likely clear my data
Aug 06 18:03:26 <aagam94> how to directly get the id of the drawable image which is there in the  imageview??
Aug 06 18:03:59 <kaneda^> aagam94, when you do imageview.setBitmap... you can also do imageview.setId()
Aug 06 18:04:07 <kaneda^> then you can call imageview.getId() after to retrieve your id
Aug 06 18:04:45 <BlackYue> lov: Going to try it now http://pastebin.com/8B73WKrF
Aug 06 18:04:50 <themirror> I am encountering a bug in which previous screen content shows through all non-SurfaceView views upon setContentView
Aug 06 18:05:16 <aagam94> kaneda^, actually i am doing imageview.setImageResource
Aug 06 18:05:26 <themirror> but only after any SurfaceView's surface has been created
Aug 06 18:06:08 <themirror> I can dereference the SurfaceView and use another with same effect
Aug 06 18:06:19 <kaneda^> aagam94, so, you're trying to get the res id of the imageview sometime after it's been set?
Aug 06 18:06:42 <aagam94> ya kaneda^
Aug 06 18:06:48 <themirror> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 18:06:57 <kaneda^> aagam94, and waht's wrong with getId?
Aug 06 18:07:51 <aagam94> but getId will return the id of imageView and not of the imagesource ...I guess
Aug 06 18:07:56 <aagam94> kaneda^,
Aug 06 18:08:05 <kaneda^> ooooooooooooooooooh, gotcha
Aug 06 18:08:14 <kaneda^> so if a drawable has been attached start with imageview.getDrawable()
Aug 06 18:08:19 <kaneda^> then grab the id of the drawable
Aug 06 18:09:04 <aagam94> ohk ya...got it...thanks kaneda^
Aug 06 18:09:20 <kaneda^> np
Aug 06 18:13:12 <dogarrhea2> http://www.pasteall.org/34339  ok i am able to repeat the error now what does it mean? doesn'ts eem like it's an out of memory error or any other io error. the error is kind of vague
Aug 06 18:15:32 <lov> BlackYue: that's not a good idea.
Aug 06 18:15:48 <lov> BlackYue: You're ignoring the possibility that the external storage isn't mounted, etc.
Aug 06 18:15:53 <Apoth> hi all
Aug 06 18:15:53 <SimonVT> FATAL EXCEPTION: main        java.lang.NullPointerException
Aug 06 18:15:56 <SimonVT> Doesn't seem very vague
Aug 06 18:16:18 <I440r> ok so i created the new ImageView class for my imageview and NOWHERE can i put a call to invalidate because invalidate() is non static and everywhere and i mean EVERYWHERE in myapp is static.  except i know its not
Aug 06 18:16:19 <lov> BlackYue: frankly, I'd recommend that you search to see if "/LocalDisk" exists first, since I've never seen anyone else use that.
Aug 06 18:16:23 <Apoth> JakeWharton, are You here please?
Aug 06 18:16:30 <I440r> im just being told everywhere is static.
Aug 06 18:16:34 <lov> I440r: huh?
Aug 06 18:16:41 <lov> I440r: pastebin some code, please
Aug 06 18:16:42 <I440r> even from the onDraw() of another view
Aug 06 18:16:44 <JakeWharton> As an existential being, I am everywhere
Aug 06 18:17:02 <I440r> iov i cant from here. firewall wont allow
Aug 06 18:17:13 <lov> I440r: well I'm not quite sure what the problem is.
Aug 06 18:17:27 <dogarrhea2> SimonVT: what is the underlying cause of it?  the only difference is that i let the recorder record for 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes
Aug 06 18:17:33 <lov> I440r: if you have a reference to your class instance, just call the "invalidate" method on it, or postInvalidate if you're calling off of the UI thread
Aug 06 18:17:41 <SimonVT> dogarrhea2: at com.example.AudioRecordTest.stopRecording(AudioRecordTest.java:95)
Aug 06 18:17:43 <I440r> yea me either, i have no way of calling myImageView.invalidate() because everywhere i put that call is being taken as static
Aug 06 18:17:53 <SimonVT> The underlying cause is that something on that line is null
Aug 06 18:17:55 <lov> dogarrhea2: what is on that line that could possibly be null?
Aug 06 18:18:11 <lov> uh
Aug 06 18:18:18 <dogarrhea2> SimonVT: i see the MediaRecorder.stop() method attempting to be called. but that is not null
Aug 06 18:18:22 <lov> I440r: It really ought not to be.
Aug 06 18:18:27 <I440r> ive tried both invalidate and postinvalidate. both of those are non static methods. no matter where i put them i get an error about not being able to call non static methods from a static context
Aug 06 18:18:52 <lov> I440r: is myImageView an instance, or is it your class's name?
Aug 06 18:18:54 <SimonVT> dogarrhea2: The object you're calling it on is null
Aug 06 18:18:58 <I440r> i even tried putting my image views invalidate inside the ondraw of a different view
Aug 06 18:19:07 <lov> 14:19:01 < lov> I440r: is myImageView an instance, or is it your class's name?
Aug 06 18:19:15 <I440r> the class name is actually timeline.  the imageview is also called timeline
Aug 06 18:19:20 <lov> ok
Aug 06 18:19:22 <Apoth> JakeWharton, i now using your actionbarsherlock project, and it is so cool, just one problem: i want to use collapseActionView in my Options menu. In android 2.x-3.x it is working great with the .ForceOverflow theme, but have a solution to work in android 4.x?
Aug 06 18:19:27 <lov> I don't know why there's an exception about it being static then
Aug 06 18:19:31 <themirror> I440r: Of course they are nonstatic. How could they possibly be static
Aug 06 18:19:35 <lov> unless you made a static invalidate method or something
Aug 06 18:19:38 <dogarrhea2> SimonVT: how does it become null after 20 minutes but not null after only 10 minutes?
Aug 06 18:19:44 <themirror> It's impossible
Aug 06 18:19:46 <JakeWharton> Apoth: what's the problem?
Aug 06 18:19:47 <lov> I440r: a pastebin would really help but oh well
Aug 06 18:19:52 <SimonVT> dogarrhea2: Dunno, your app
Aug 06 18:20:04 <I440r> themirror: thats not the problem. the problem is EVERYWHERE in my app is being taken as static so i cannot put the call to invalidate anywhere within my app. i tried everywhere that makes sense
Aug 06 18:20:09 <I440r> and no its not all static
Aug 06 18:20:11 <I440r> so im stumped
Aug 06 18:20:23 <romainguy> show us your code
Aug 06 18:20:24 <dogarrhea2> http://www.pasteall.org/34340 this is my app SimonVT
Aug 06 18:20:29 <lov> dogarrhea2: mRecorder is probably null for some reason
Aug 06 18:20:30 <SimonVT> If you need to call invalidate on a specific imageview, you need a reference to that imageview
Aug 06 18:20:37 <dogarrhea2> it's lifted from the android developer site
Aug 06 18:20:37 <I440r> romainguy: i cant from here, firewall is a bit anal.
Aug 06 18:20:40 <Apoth> JakeWharton, the collapsed menu now working good in 2.x and 3.x, but in 4.x dont (sorry for my bad english)
Aug 06 18:20:52 <I440r> i have a reference to it
Aug 06 18:20:59 <lov> dogarrhea2: I see you setting it to null in onPause, but never actually adding it again in onResume
Aug 06 18:21:20 <JakeWharton> Apoth: you should use the `dev` branch, I added some features to make it work on Android 4.x
Aug 06 18:21:21 <romainguy> I440r: you're not typing ImageView.invalidate() by any chance? :)
Aug 06 18:21:26 <themirror> romainguy please look at my SO post. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 18:21:45 <lov> dogarrhea2: thus, when you click your button, and it tries to stop recording, it calls this on a null object
Aug 06 18:21:55 <Apoth> JakeWharton, ok, i see, thank You!
Aug 06 18:22:03 <JakeWharton> it will be released soon
Aug 06 18:22:06 <I440r> romainguy: no lol
Aug 06 18:23:21 <I440r> romainguy: for some reason my 4.7ghz machie will only run at 3.3ghz under linux... that android build in 21 minutes was done at 3.3 ghz. if i can get linux to OC i can shrink that further
Aug 06 18:23:31 <themirror> All views become holes through which the previous screen's content comes through
Aug 06 18:23:32 <I440r> plus i now have 64 gigs of 1600 ram
Aug 06 18:23:58 <themirror> My toy example demonstrates this bug
Aug 06 18:24:27 <romainguy> I440r: I'm glad you're spending so much time benchmarking :)
Aug 06 18:24:27 <dogarrhea2> lov, i am never hitting the onPause event it appears
Aug 06 18:24:42 <dogarrhea2> http://www.pasteall.org/34341
Aug 06 18:24:50 <dogarrhea2> just hit the start recording and stop recording buttons
Aug 06 18:25:10 <marcolorenzo_> how do I add that 3-dot option thingy to my app interface?
Aug 06 18:25:25 <lov> dogarrhea2: does your screen turn off?
Aug 06 18:25:30 <lov> dogarrhea2: do you rotate your screen?
Aug 06 18:25:39 <lov> dogarrhea2: does anything else ever come into the foreground?
Aug 06 18:25:43 <dogarrhea2> it blacks out and then get some error about suddenly terminated
Aug 06 18:25:55 <kaneda^> marcolorenzo_, you mean like in an asynctask where it has the (Object...obj) description for the method?
Aug 06 18:25:57 <dogarrhea2> does not respond to home or back buttons
Aug 06 18:26:32 <marcolorenzo_> I don  think so, but I'm not sure
Aug 06 18:26:41 <marcolorenzo_> the 3-dot menu was introduced in android 4 I think
Aug 06 18:26:44 <marcolorenzo_> or maybe 3
Aug 06 18:26:45 <lov> dogarrhea2: I'd attach the debugger, then set a breakpoint anyplace where it could be set to null.
Aug 06 18:26:50 <marcolorenzo_> but I never owned a device with android 3
Aug 06 18:26:54 <SimonVT> marcolorenzo_: That's the action bar overflow menu
Aug 06 18:26:58 <SimonVT> Read up on action bar
Aug 06 18:27:15 <marcolorenzo_> a thanks
Aug 06 18:27:20 <themirror> romainguy: the first time any SurfaceView object attaches to the window, things work fine. After that, however, the previous screen's content bleeds through all other views until the surface is created. Have you seen this? I made a toy example and reproduced the bug
Aug 06 18:27:43 <themirror> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 18:27:45 <marcolorenzo_> I have been searching for ages for that menu, but I didn't know the name and never found it either
Aug 06 18:27:52 <marcolorenzo_> thanks SimonVT
Aug 06 18:27:56 <dogarrhea2> lov, i put the log.e in the onPause method and it never goes there. that's the only place where it could be null
Aug 06 18:28:05 <I440r> romain im not benchmarking. im just trying to win a gold medal!
Aug 06 18:28:24 * lov shrugs
Aug 06 18:28:40 <lov> I'd recommend using the debugger just because execution will stop when you get there.
Aug 06 18:29:11 <dogarrhea2> i'll just assume it's android running out of memory or disk or something and break up the recording somehow.  i love the error reporting ambiguity though
Aug 06 18:31:07 <SimonVT> Use the debugger
Aug 06 18:31:10 <SimonVT> The error is pretty clear
Aug 06 18:31:24 <lov> dogarrhea2: what simon said. Things aren't just made null for no reason.
Aug 06 18:32:27 <themirror> NullPointerExceptions are the best. I'd kill to have one and not the issue I'm facing now
Aug 06 18:32:28 <dogarrhea2> what's the % of nullpointerexception errors in java? it doesn't really say too much
Aug 06 18:32:36 <dogarrhea2> and the whole 10 minutes vs 20 minutes of recording is fishy
Aug 06 18:32:52 <lov> dogarrhea2: I have no idea. They're not magical things that the bug fairy brings
Aug 06 18:33:01 <lov> they're caused when you try to reference a member or method on a null object.
Aug 06 18:33:21 <kaneda^> a stack trace typically helps
Aug 06 18:33:22 <themirror> It tells you the line
Aug 06 18:33:25 <lov> dogarrhea2: if android was acting funny, your entire activity would be destroyed, which means your onPause would be called, or you would see another big fat stacktrace.
Aug 06 18:33:26 <themirror> look there
Aug 06 18:33:36 <lov> Seriously, attach the debugger, wait for it to hit some breakpoints.
Aug 06 18:33:48 <lov> it's totally possible that the logcat view was flaky or something.
Aug 06 18:33:52 <dogarrhea2> when it works (less than 20 minutes) it prints out as mediarecorder@blahblahblabh
Aug 06 18:34:05 <dogarrhea2> ok ok i'll see
Aug 06 18:34:09 <SimonVT> Some event is happening that is setting your object to null
Aug 06 18:34:17 <SimonVT> Find out what event.. Find out how to fix it
Aug 06 18:34:40 <themirror> Hint: look at the line number
Aug 06 18:34:59 <dogarrhea2> this is gonna take a long time to figure out. 20 minutes per debug
Aug 06 18:35:10 <lov> dogarrhea2: so you'd better do it right this time.
Aug 06 18:35:28 <SimonVT> You're doing something at around 20 minutes that is causing either stopPlaying or onPause to be called
Aug 06 18:35:35 <dogarrhea2> would've thought a log.e would tell me
Aug 06 18:35:50 <SimonVT> Do the same at 2 seconds, and you wont have to wait so long
Aug 06 18:36:02 <kaneda^> dogarrhea2, printStackTrace goes to logcat
Aug 06 18:36:05 <kaneda^> i found this out recently
Aug 06 18:36:07 <kaneda^> :D
Aug 06 18:36:12 <lov> dogarrhea2: are you using the command line, or the eclipse logcat view? I've seen eclipse's logcat view to be flaky sometimes.
Aug 06 18:36:29 <EPG> is there some good sensor tutorial especial for orientation/rotation sensors?
Aug 06 18:36:30 <dogarrhea2> intellij
Aug 06 18:37:22 <SimonVT> Also, use some better tags.. Easier to filter by
Aug 06 18:43:36 <gizero> Is there someone I can download the JSON library that Android uses?
Aug 06 18:44:14 <boing> I'm having a very strange problem. I'm putting a subclass of ArrayList in putExtra()...when I read it in in the next Activity ( getIntent().getSerializableExtra("someKey") ), it is always just an ArrayList. I CANNOT cast it to the subclass. Very very strange.
Aug 06 18:44:37 <boing> The subclass is Serializable, btw.
Aug 06 18:46:06 <boing> Here's the exception: E/AndroidRuntime(6100): Caused by: java.lang.ClassCastException: java.util.ArrayList cannot be cast to --SNIP--
Aug 06 18:46:34 <boing> Has me stumped
Aug 06 18:46:38 <lov> well don't leave us in suspense
Aug 06 18:46:41 <lov> what's it being cast to?
Aug 06 18:46:49 <funktronic> what ids does Tab.setCustomView look for when setting the icon and title?
Aug 06 18:46:51 <lov> also
Aug 06 18:46:55 <lov> you're calling getSerializableExtra
Aug 06 18:47:01 <lov> parcelable != serializable
Aug 06 18:47:37 <boing> I know...
Aug 06 18:47:50 <lov> boing: can you pastebin some code?
Aug 06 18:48:24 <boing> putExtra() calls   public Intent putExtra(String name, Serializable value) in Intent ... nothing related to parceable...
Aug 06 18:48:30 <boing> Sure I can.
Aug 06 18:48:33 <boing> Give me 2 mins.
Aug 06 18:49:05 <themirror> romainguy: nobody else can help me with this issue. Please let me know if you have a workaround http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 18:49:16 <roler> is there a chr() command in Android Java? Such as, chr(65) is letter A
Aug 06 18:49:45 <EPG> roler, simply typecast
Aug 06 18:51:48 <rigid> why do I see a lot of code like this http://codepad.org/4lW0DWYz instead of just catching "Exception" and don't use redundant code?
Aug 06 18:51:51 <roler> thanks!
Aug 06 18:52:11 <rigid> is it wanted behaviour to have some exceptions left uncatched? Like for security?
Aug 06 18:52:21 <lov> rigid: generally you want to catch each type of exception instead of Exception in general
Aug 06 18:52:26 <lov> but in this case this is just shitty coding
Aug 06 18:52:56 <rigid> lov: so I want that if I want different handling... I don't want to intentionally "miss" exceptions, do I?
Aug 06 18:53:33 <lov> You might.
Aug 06 18:53:45 <lov> For example, you might want to let NumberFormatException fall on through
Aug 06 18:54:07 <themirror> roler, what does Character.toChars for char[]
Aug 06 18:54:08 <boing> lov, here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/txcMgEJu
Aug 06 18:54:25 <lov> in the case of the code you showed me, where there's about 5 different types of exceptions that all do the same thing, yeah, you should PROBABLY just catch exception. It's really a question of your design is all.
Aug 06 18:54:27 <rigid> ah I see now... If a catched exception could mean I continue with corrupted/illegal data, I want to miss that exception
Aug 06 18:54:54 <rigid> this should probably be on #java...
Aug 06 18:55:17 <rigid> lov: thank you
Aug 06 18:55:27 <themirror> rigid either allow throws to declaration or rethrow the exception
Aug 06 18:56:13 <lov> hmm.
Aug 06 18:56:31 <dogarrhea2> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4075 love the comments.. around half are : fix this please/stop ignoring us/ update?/what's going on?
Aug 06 18:56:45 <dogarrhea2> i guess my target market is me.
Aug 06 18:56:49 <lov> haha
Aug 06 18:57:18 <boing> lov: note that I am able to pass other custom serializable objects I've created...none of them extend any core Java classes tho. I know using serializables is not a great idea, btw, but no idea what's going on here...
Aug 06 18:57:25 <lov> boing: not sure what to suggest, sorry. You could try something like putExtra(INDEX, (Serializable)myWhatever); to force it to use the serializable route.
Aug 06 18:58:54 <CurlyBrace> Anyone know how the sd card mounts (programattically)?
Aug 06 18:58:57 <boing> Oh I was doing to too. I'vde debugged the code too, it's deffo following the Serializable route.
Aug 06 18:59:10 <boing> With or without the (Serializable) cast. Verrry odd.
Aug 06 18:59:38 <boing> I get the feeling there's some internal code that treats it differenly becauase it's and instanceof ArrayList
Aug 06 18:59:46 <dogarrhea2> why the cold shoulder on new bugs over 2 years old?
Aug 06 19:00:26 <boing> thanks lov
Aug 06 19:01:24 <mr6> someone please kb themirror
Aug 06 19:01:54 <lov> mr6: why?
Aug 06 19:01:58 <themirror> What's kb
Aug 06 19:02:38 <mr6> lov: tired of seeing his stackoverflow link and pleas for help to romainguy :>
Aug 06 19:02:56 <Apoth> JakeWharton, same thing with dev branch :(
Aug 06 19:03:25 <lov> mr6: "he's kind of annoying me" isn't a valid reason to ban someone.
Aug 06 19:03:27 <themirror> It's only been posted a couple times. I found a bug nowhere online and desperately need a workaround
Aug 06 19:03:43 <mr6> lov: actually repeatedly posting the the same cry for help is
Aug 06 19:03:44 <themirror> I've helped plenty of people here so get lost
Aug 06 19:03:57 <romainguy> keep it nice
Aug 06 19:04:47 <themirror> romain can u please look at this I can't find this reported anywhere else http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11823483/previous-screen-bleeds-through-views-before-surfacecreated-called
Aug 06 19:05:42 <themirror> Other views turn into holes through which the previous screen content bleeds until surfaceCreated is called
Aug 06 19:06:05 <themirror> The 75 lines there will demonstrate the issue
Aug 06 19:06:59 <lov> themirror: just the same, you should consider the possibility that romainguy sees your posting, but chooses to ignore it.
Aug 06 19:07:38 <romainguy> themirror: please stop repeating the same thing over and over again
Aug 06 19:07:51 <SimonVT> He might be *gasp* working
Aug 06 19:08:01 <romainguy> SurfaceView creates a hole in your window, that's how it works
Aug 06 19:08:11 <romainguy> and I don't have time to debug your particular issue right now
Aug 06 19:09:46 <themirror> Okay fine. My point is its not my issue, its a major bug in SurfaceView class
Aug 06 19:10:17 <boing> It's everybody's issue then :)
Aug 06 19:10:20 <boing> Report it.
Aug 06 19:11:09 <themirror> Haha yeah then ill get my answer in six years
Aug 06 19:11:37 <romainguy> themirror: like I said, SurfaceView works by creating a hole in your window
Aug 06 19:11:52 <dogarrhea2> ok. added my two cents on the bug.  another "this bug is over 3 years old and is still 'new' status. ridiculous" kind of comment
Aug 06 19:12:06 <sirellyn> You can't download your own app using the same developer account on your phone is that correct?
Aug 06 19:12:11 <lov> dogarrhea2: thank you for contributing. You have surely brought that bug closer to resolution.
Aug 06 19:12:15 <lov> sirellyn: correct :|
Aug 06 19:12:27 <SimonVT> Unless it's free
Aug 06 19:12:34 <dogarrhea2> lov it helps to have activity on bugs right? maybe my post helps keep it alive
Aug 06 19:12:36 <sirellyn> ok.  How do I delete / change the account on my phone so that I can?
Aug 06 19:12:40 <lov> dogarrhea2: it really doesn't.
Aug 06 19:12:44 <lov> dogarrhea2: it just adds to noise.
Aug 06 19:12:55 <themirror> romainguy: but the issue is that the other views do not update before surface is created. Every time after the first attach.
Aug 06 19:13:03 <dogarrhea2> it is definitely a valid issue..
Aug 06 19:13:40 <themirror> So when I setContentView, other textviews in the layout turn into openings for the content of the previous screen
Aug 06 19:13:50 <themirror> but the surfaceview turns black immediately
Aug 06 19:14:08 <romainguy> just use two activities
Aug 06 19:14:18 <themirror> when surfaceCreated is called, the other views stop this behavior
Aug 06 19:14:38 <themirror> that's what I was gonna do. I guess ill file bug then
Aug 06 19:14:43 <themirror> thanks
Aug 06 19:15:11 <mr6> anyone have any well reasoned thoughts on whether or not to use one android:process for a service and one for UI? Leaving aside addl memory/overhead of extra Linux procs / DVMs.  Any good links that already address this?
Aug 06 19:17:50 <romainguy> you're testing on 2.1
Aug 06 19:18:03 <romainguy> if there truly is a bug it might have been fixed already
Aug 06 19:18:24 <lov> dogarrhea2: valid issue or not, making "me too" comments does nothing to help
Aug 06 19:18:34 <lov> it just adds to noise, and makes developers less interested in reading public comments
Aug 06 19:18:45 <romainguy> it actually make things a lot harder
Aug 06 19:18:52 <romainguy> for instance in the bug report about support for arabic text
Aug 06 19:18:59 <romainguy> I asked questions to the community several times
Aug 06 19:19:06 <romainguy> but they got lost in the stream of "me too" comments
Aug 06 19:19:15 <romainguy> and it became impossible to gather the feedback I wanted
Aug 06 19:19:47 <romainguy> you can star the bug
Aug 06 19:20:26 <themirror> Will do.
Aug 06 19:20:31 <romainguy> themirror: your bug doesn't happen on 4.1
Aug 06 19:20:57 <themirror> romainguy: thanks ill investigate with higher builds
Aug 06 19:28:55 <Kevmeister> :)
Aug 06 19:29:10 <MaaaZ> hey guys, this may be a dumb question but how often is the JNI interface (described in ndk/jni.h header) changed/edited ?
Aug 06 19:29:38 <Kevmeister> For anyone who needs good reviews on their apps we now have www.reviewmyapp.net up and running
Aug 06 19:30:53 <Stew-a> if i have a bound service, can i also treat it as a started service to pass things to it without having to bind to it, and if i call stopservice after processing the intent will that affect the bindings?
Aug 06 19:31:24 <lov> MaaaZ: effectively never
Aug 06 19:31:45 <mr6> Stew-a: generally choose one technique or the other
Aug 06 19:32:05 <lov> Kevmeister: Please note the topic.
Aug 06 19:32:12 <lov> in particular the "don't advertise your goods/services" part
Aug 06 19:32:30 <Stew-a> mr6: i would, but i want to make my bound service do something in response to GCM messages, and unless i'm mistaken i can't bind to the service from the GCM intent service
Aug 06 19:32:47 <Kevmeister> Oh yeah - didn't see that!
Aug 06 19:32:54 <lov> Stew-a: you can absolutely both start and bind a service
Aug 06 19:33:02 <lov> Stew-a: in fact, you'll generally want to in a lot of cases.
Aug 06 19:33:23 <lov> Stew-a: read the lifecycle docs; as long as you're still bound to the service, it won't be stopped until you unbind, even if you call stopService before that.
Aug 06 19:33:26 <JakeSays> hey is it possible to replace stock phone app with a custom one?
Aug 06 19:33:33 <Stew-a> lov: thanks
Aug 06 19:33:35 <lov> JakeSays: no
Aug 06 19:34:04 <lov> JakeSays: you can replace the rom. For that, go to #android-root
Aug 06 19:34:38 <JakeSays> i've already replaced the rom. i also tweaked the phone app, now i want to replace it w/o having to push a new rom
Aug 06 19:35:02 <JakeSays> actually i tweaked the phone's headset service
Aug 06 19:35:49 <JakeSays> ah this channel is for app development, isnt it
Aug 06 19:36:03 <Snuffel> most of the time
Aug 06 19:36:41 <lov> yeah, pretty much.
Aug 06 19:36:47 <lov> rom stuff is generally off topic.
Aug 06 19:37:05 <JakeSays> i'd just hate to have to go push a new rom every time i tweak an app
Aug 06 19:37:31 <lov> JakeSays: you can PROBABLY just do adb install, but I can't guarantee that.
Aug 06 19:37:32 <MaaaZ> lov: Ok, so Sun never appends new functions to the JNI ?
Aug 06 19:37:45 <clever> JakeSays: if you have root, cant you just mount /system r/w (assuming its not squashed) and manualy replace the relevant files?
Aug 06 19:37:57 <JakeSays> lov: ah. i'll try that
Aug 06 19:38:04 <JakeSays> clever: and no idea :)
Aug 06 19:38:06 <lov> MaaaZ: you asked about editing. Appending, yes, this may happen occasionally. Editing of existing functions? No; that would break compatibility
Aug 06 19:38:07 <SimonVT> If it's a system app, that probably wont work
Aug 06 19:38:15 <lov> MaaaZ: regardless, Sun no longer exists, oracle bought them out
Aug 06 19:38:15 <SimonVT> adb push
Aug 06 19:38:17 <JakeSays> SimonVT: its the phone app
Aug 06 19:38:24 <lov> what SimonVT said
Aug 06 19:38:37 <JakeSays> ok cool. i'll give it a try.
Aug 06 19:38:38 <MaaaZ> lov: Ok thanks I've got my responses
Aug 06 19:39:07 <CurlyBrace> Howdy devs!
Aug 06 19:39:27 <JakeSays> while i'm here, anybody know how to build the adk?
Aug 06 19:39:39 <eXeC64> I'm trying to create a simple AlertDialog (1 button, simple message). However now I've found out showDialog is deprecated and I should be using DialogFragment instead. I'm having a hard time finding some clear documentation on how to display a dialog using the new message without getting bogged down in fragments. Can anyone recommend a good guide to using DialogFragments?
Aug 06 19:39:56 <eXeC64> *new method
Aug 06 19:42:20 <lov> eXeC64: for now, until you worry about fragments, it's ok to use showDialog.
Aug 06 19:42:47 <lov> You'll want to read the whole fragments tutorial/guide before you worry about them
Aug 06 19:43:00 <eXeC64> Hmm, ok. Thanks
Aug 06 19:44:23 <CurlyBrace> How might I go about checking if the sd card is mounted on the lowest level possible?
Aug 06 19:46:44 <mr6> CurlyBrace: don't know what that means but are you familiar with Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory?
Aug 06 19:47:02 <lov> CurlyBrace: look at the Environment class.
Aug 06 19:47:08 <CurlyBrace> I am slightly familiar with environment
Aug 06 19:47:16 <CurlyBrace> but I need the distinction between usb and sd card
Aug 06 19:47:22 * lov shrugs
Aug 06 19:47:29 <lov> it's a linux device, play around.
Aug 06 19:47:30 <CurlyBrace> I'm trying to make sense of it from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/902089/how-to-tell-if-the-sdcard-is-mounted-in-android
Aug 06 19:47:46 <CurlyBrace> lol that's what I am doing, but as I make this custom rom it takes a good while to compile
Aug 06 19:48:00 <taljurf> guys, im trying to create an app that includes an indoor map for a building (preferably with wifi positioning) is there any available thing that could make it easier for me?
Aug 06 19:48:25 <CurlyBrace> I don't know if the positioning is precise enough for that
Aug 06 19:48:26 <lov> taljurf: AndroidMaps.createIndoorMap()
Aug 06 19:48:34 <CurlyBrace> ...nvm
Aug 06 19:48:37 <CurlyBrace> :P
Aug 06 19:48:50 <taljurf> lov: how about indoor wifi positioning?
Aug 06 19:48:54 <lov> taljurf: serious answer, there's the WifiManager to get wifi information
Aug 06 19:49:14 <lov> I don't think there are any apis for wifi location information. LocationManager will give you a rough location via wifi, but it's totally transparent.
Aug 06 19:49:28 <lov> it's also not guaranteed to be correct, and i wouldn't advise it for indoor mapping
Aug 06 19:49:56 <lov> You'll probably need to use Wifimanager to query wifi AP signal strengths and use that to triangulate based on known positions
Aug 06 19:50:03 <lov> you'll get to write your own map drawing class, most likely
Aug 06 19:51:02 <taljurf> lov: that should be a pain in the neck for me, so for something simple ud go for AndroidMaps.createIndoorMap() without positioning am i right?
Aug 06 19:51:26 <CurlyBrace> I think he was joking
Aug 06 19:51:42 <taljurf> CurlyBrace: ?
Aug 06 19:51:54 <SimonVT> Take a picture of a map.. Display it on screen.. There, indoor map
Aug 06 19:52:22 <CurlyBrace> I think lov was joking about the existence of a createIndoorMap() method, because coordination on that scale is very imprecise
Aug 06 19:52:33 <taljurf> SimonVT: I want something a bit more interactive
Aug 06 19:53:42 <SimonVT> Better start coding
Aug 06 19:54:30 <taljurf> SimonVT: eventually looks so :)
Aug 06 19:54:34 <taljurf> thanks all
Aug 06 19:54:56 <lov> taljurf: I was joking when I said AndroidMaps.createIndoorMap()
Aug 06 19:55:06 <lov> it's on the same level as HeyAndroidMan.doMyJobForMe();
Aug 06 19:55:23 <CurlyBrace> to be fair, their are some oddly specfic methods
Aug 06 19:55:44 <CurlyBrace> protectFromAutorunStupidity() actually exists, as I recall
Aug 06 19:56:16 <Sicp> what devices is Google Wallet compatible with? Samsung Galaxy Note for example? S III?
Aug 06 19:57:02 <taljurf> lov: loool got it, i was stunned for a while :/ , i wouldnt be surprised if google made such thing though :)
Aug 06 19:57:14 <loin> hello, can anyone help me build android?
Aug 06 20:00:57 <ericrichardson> SimonVT: What if the user is outdoors? Then it'd be an outdoor map.
Aug 06 20:01:35 <SimonVT> Unless he's viewing it indoors
Aug 06 20:07:53 <doc_savage> anyone able to offer some advice on the theory behind lazy loading images for a list view? from getView() in the adapter, I either return a cached copy, or queue the image for loading in a loader AsyncTask, but how do you return that lazy loaded image?
Aug 06 20:09:10 <doc_savage> i seem to be getting into infinite loops when I call notifyDataSetChanged(), and if I pass the ImageView with the loader request, when the view gets reused it's icon flips through the various queue'd images
Aug 06 20:09:41 <SimonVT> Once the image is loaded, only set it on the imageview you pass if it's still in the same position
Aug 06 20:12:36 <doc_savage> thanks SimonVT, I'll have a bash, I've shot myself in the foot a bit by making this re-usable - added complexity lol
Aug 06 20:20:50 <kaneda^> i have an element set to Gravity.CENTER_VERTICAL and it doesnt center vertically within the tablerow, any ideas why?
Aug 06 20:22:36 <SimonVT> Maybe you set gravity instead of layout_gravity
Aug 06 20:23:07 <kaneda^> SimonVT, that could very well be it, one sec
Aug 06 20:24:47 <eXeC64> If I have an object that acts as an interface to a web api, but it's used across multiple activities how should I store/pass it? Just send a reference via intents when changing activity?
Aug 06 20:25:29 <lov> eXeC64: Use a Service
Aug 06 20:25:57 <eXeC64> lov, Thanks
Aug 06 20:26:35 <clever> leslie: setprop and getprop!
Aug 06 20:26:38 <clever> *tries*
Aug 06 20:27:55 <lov> np
Aug 06 20:28:40 <clever> leslie: hmmm, doesnt work yet
Aug 06 20:28:48 <leslie> ah
Aug 06 20:28:48 <clever> maybe it needs a reboot of some service
Aug 06 20:29:12 <leslie> you're more persistent than me
Aug 06 20:29:15 <clever> *murders system_server*
Aug 06 20:29:20 <leslie> by this point, I would have just set fire to it
Aug 06 20:29:31 <clever> leslie: i stumbled upon those while trying to fix dns, while waiting for a full android compile
Aug 06 20:30:28 <clever> its crashing in a diff way now, i htink
Aug 06 20:30:30 <clever> *reads*
Aug 06 20:31:45 <CurlyBrace> anyone know how to detect sd cards?
Aug 06 20:32:32 <mr6> CurlyBrace: they system broadcasts an intent when an external filesystem is mounted
Aug 06 20:32:37 <SpeedEvil> they crunch when they are mixed into salad.
Aug 06 20:32:55 <CurlyBrace> I am trying to distinguish them from usb connections to a PC, for example
Aug 06 20:33:16 <clever> leslie: damn!, all it needed was a setprop wifi.interface wlan0
Aug 06 20:33:33 <leslie> glad you got it sorted
Aug 06 20:33:36 <clever> well, the new build is half done anyways, i might aswell try it
Aug 06 20:33:40 <mr6> CurlyBrace: when would the android system mount an fs on the pc?  it works the other way around AFAIK
Aug 06 20:34:17 <doc_savage> CurlyBrace: see Environment.getExternalStorageState(), specifically MEDIA_SHARED and MEDIA_MOUNTED are probably what you want
Aug 06 20:34:42 <CurlyBrace> those look promising
Aug 06 20:34:48 <SimonVT> The data storage docs explains how to detect if external storage is available
Aug 06 20:34:48 <CurlyBrace> but do they also trigger in the same manner when usb connected?
Aug 06 20:34:57 <mr6> and you can receive ACTION_MEDIA_*
Aug 06 20:35:01 <mr6> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_MEDIA_MOUNTED
Aug 06 20:35:30 <CurlyBrace> hm...thanks, I will look more into these
Aug 06 20:40:14 <canadiancow|work> somebody just signed me up for Florida Power & Light Company
Aug 06 20:40:28 <lov> canadiancow|work: I thought you were moving to the west coast
Aug 06 20:41:14 <canadiancow|work> no i decided to go to florida
Aug 06 20:41:50 <clever> leslie: now that wifi is solved (for now), that just leaves touchpad and alsa
Aug 06 20:42:06 <leslie> good luck
Aug 06 20:45:51 <clever> make out/target/product/d630/ramdisk.img out/target/product/d630/initrd.img out/target/product/d630/system.img out/target/product/d630/boot out/target/product/d630/kernel
Aug 06 20:46:09 <clever> leslie: from poking around in various .mk files, i found that i can just run 'make' directly on these paths (even all at once)
Aug 06 20:46:24 <clever> leslie: if i understant things right, that should give me all the files i need to update my usb stick, with 1 command
Aug 06 20:46:25 <Rescue9> I need a bit of help with exactly what I need to google to research. I know what I want to do, but I'm not sure where to start. I have an activity with a  pending intent. Alarmmanager starts that pending intent with a random triggerAtMillis (random number of minutes). That intent starts a service that logs a timestamp to sharedpreferences. Once that timestamp is logged, I need to reset the random number of minutes. I tried calling t
Aug 06 20:46:40 <Rescue9> sorry for the long post... thoughts all jumbled though and needed to type it all out. :-(
Aug 06 20:48:13 <leslie> Rescue9: the end got cut off
Aug 06 20:48:29 <Rescue9> Sorry... where do you need it from?
Aug 06 20:48:41 <leslie> "tried calling t"
Aug 06 20:48:56 <Rescue9> I tried calling the starting main activity from the service, but I got a msg saying I can't call before onCreate(). I'm stuck at where I should go from here. Can someone point me in the right direction please.
Aug 06 20:49:14 <jjbohn|lunch> back
Aug 06 20:49:36 <irwinb> anyone else having this ndk-build issue? "Issue 35209:	Assertion fail in ld.exe in NDK r8b"
Aug 06 20:50:18 <irwinb> the googler says to LOCAL_LDLIBS += -fuse-ld=gold to the Android.mk file..what does that do?
Aug 06 20:50:48 <p_l|abdn> irwinb: tells it to use a different linker
Aug 06 20:50:49 <leslie> changes the linker
Aug 06 20:51:17 <leslie> gold is an experimental (or is it not anymore?) linker
Aug 06 20:51:48 <Stew-a> is there documentation on the format of JSON GCM HTTP requests anywhere, i can't seem to find any
Aug 06 20:51:50 <irwinb> oh..interesting ok
Aug 06 20:52:06 <Flurry> Hello all!
Aug 06 20:52:11 <rigid> where's the difference in defining <activity android:name=".Foobar" and <activity android:name="Foobar" (without leading .) ?
Aug 06 20:52:21 <Flurry> Anyone have an answer for this question?: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816303
Aug 06 20:52:47 <Stew-a> rigid: the . indicates that the class is your.package.name.Foobar not just Foobar
Aug 06 20:53:28 <rigid> Stew-a: ah... thank you
Aug 06 20:53:30 <Rescue9> going to lurk for answer to above. working at fire department today... have a run.
Aug 06 20:54:11 <rigid> so where's the difference in defining "my.package.Foobar" and just "Foobar" if my Activity is in Foobar.java? :)
Aug 06 20:54:24 <rigid> i guess it's just a way to prevent ambiguity?
Aug 06 20:54:45 <coolman_bg> HELLO WORLD :ddddddd
Aug 06 20:57:50 <coolman_bg> i need good books for android
Aug 06 21:01:09 <coolman_bg> exooooooooooo
Aug 06 21:01:23 <coolman_bg> guys wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 06 21:01:32 <mr6> wtf
Aug 06 21:01:52 <mr6>  /ignore coolman_bg
Aug 06 21:02:44 <coolman_bg> mr6:whattt??
Aug 06 21:03:51 <mh`> coolman_bg: I found http://www.amazon.com/Do-Androids-Dream-Electric-Sheep/dp/0345404475 enlightening
Aug 06 21:04:26 <rigid> that one is SO cool!
Aug 06 21:04:42 <Stew-a> DO they?
Aug 06 21:05:01 <coolman_bg> mh`:xaxa very fun!
Aug 06 21:05:01 <rigid> they even made a movie out of it iirc... everything you need to know about androids :)
Aug 06 21:06:42 <coolman_bg> sooooo boring is here
Aug 06 21:08:19 <Flurry> I must change the lockscreen background on my 2.3.6 Jw i9000 custom rom. Anyone have an answer for this question?: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816303
Aug 06 21:08:33 <Flurry> I must change the lockscreen background on my 2.3.6 JW7 i9000 custom rom. Anyone have an answer for this question?: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816303
Aug 06 21:09:38 <eXeC64> If ActivityA binds to a service, then unbinds during onStop, but the activity that is next in the foreground binds the same service in onStart, does the service get destroyed between the activities?
Aug 06 21:09:56 <hip2p> I have an activity and then an interactive array adapter class. Within the adapter class is an AsyncTask class. in the onPostExecute, I want to call a method that's within the activity. How can I do this?
Aug 06 21:10:10 <hip2p> the adapter is an external class
Aug 06 21:11:48 <mr6> eXeC64: that isn't predictable
Aug 06 21:12:04 <mr6> eXeC64: but ususally not IMO
Aug 06 21:14:45 <mr6> hip2p: pass a reference to the activity into the AsyncTask constructor
Aug 06 21:15:18 <hip2p> ok
Aug 06 21:15:34 <coolman_bg> i have one question : how i can put video files in sqlite?
Aug 06 21:16:09 <Stew-a> either don't or use a blob
Aug 06 21:18:06 <eXeC64> mr6, After thinking about it for a bit I've decided it probably makes more sense to have a foreground service
Aug 06 21:18:51 <coolman_bg> wake up "android developers" and help me
Aug 06 21:19:11 <eXeC64> coolman_bg, sqlite isn't designed to house large amounts of binary data
Aug 06 21:19:23 <eXeC64> putting video in it is not a good idea, on any platform
Aug 06 21:20:29 <clever> just save the video as a normal file, then put the filename and metadata in sqlite
Aug 06 21:20:36 <eXeC64> ^
Aug 06 21:20:44 <coolman_bg> eXeC64:i don't think so
Aug 06 21:21:49 <coolman_bg> eXeC64:if you have 100 video files and each file has a size 30kb ;)
Aug 06 21:22:01 <funktronic> any suggestions on a good UX android book?
Aug 06 21:22:28 <hip2p> I passed an Activity context to a class. Say the activity has a method called "go()". Can I do context.go()?
Aug 06 21:22:41 <eXeC64> coolman_bg, Are you choosing sqlite as you already have a db in your app or are you just looking for a way to contain 100 videos in one file?
Aug 06 21:23:55 <coolman_bg> eXeC64:yes i  looking for a way to contain 100 videos in one file
Aug 06 21:24:20 <clever> if the files are only 30kb, then its not that bad
Aug 06 21:24:34 <clever> i'm used to seeing video files in the 100mb-1gig range
Aug 06 21:24:55 <eXeC64> There's probably a "better" way to do it but I don't know what that would be for android.
Aug 06 21:25:19 <clever> the only other option is to just edit all 100 clips into 1 long video
Aug 06 21:25:28 <clever> then use seek and a stop position to only play a piece of it
Aug 06 21:25:50 <clever> but i dont know if the android video api can seek to a frame and stop on a frame like that
Aug 06 21:26:03 <clever> may need some dead-space between clips
Aug 06 21:26:35 <coolman_bg> clever:yes :)
Aug 06 21:27:55 <clever> it would probly also have some caching benefits, playing one clip pulls a large number (or all) into ram
Aug 06 21:29:45 <kaneda^> how can i preserve the size of a button according to its drawable?
Aug 06 21:32:17 <mr6> hip2p: maybe, not always.  did you try it?
Aug 06 21:33:51 <hip2p> mr6 I did, and it didn't work
Aug 06 21:33:58 <hip2p> but perhaps my syntax is wrong
Aug 06 21:34:47 <mr6> hip2p: you should probably pass it as MyActivityClass not Context
Aug 06 21:36:22 <Stew-a> hip2p: if the variable is of type Context then context doesn't provide that method and you can't call it, either make the variable the same type as the one that defines the method (or a subclass of it) or cast it to the right type before calling (as long as you're sure it IS the right type)
Aug 06 21:36:23 <mr6> and in general i wouldn't do IPC this way, but it might work for your use case
Aug 06 21:42:01 <hip2p> ok thanks
Aug 06 21:44:14 <saecula> Hi, can anyone explain what arrayStart and arrayEnd signify in rs_script_call?
Aug 06 21:44:41 <dogarrhea2> is there any api to invoke the siri-like functionality of android? where you tap the microphone and say "Hooters, Los Angeles" out loud and then maps finds it?
Aug 06 21:45:20 <dogarrhea2> i need access to the auto transcribing abilities of this android-siri like thing
Aug 06 21:46:06 <Stew-a> dogarrhea2: you mean the speech recognition in general or something more specific?
Aug 06 21:46:37 <dogarrhea2> English transcribing of human speech.
Aug 06 21:46:50 <Stew-a> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/speech/SpeechRecognizer.html
Aug 06 21:47:08 <dogarrhea2> annnnd, one extra feature (which probably doesn't exist right now), if it doesn't recognize the word, it'll try to estimate how it's spelled
Aug 06 21:47:39 <onr> Whats the most common alternative language to Java for developing Android apps
Aug 06 21:47:41 <onr> ?
Aug 06 21:47:49 <mr6> onr: C++
Aug 06 21:47:52 <dogarrhea2> heh seems like there's only one language
Aug 06 21:48:03 <stork> scala
Aug 06 21:48:19 <stork> probably ruby and python too
Aug 06 21:48:19 <mr6> javascript
Aug 06 21:48:23 <stork> go digging
Aug 06 21:48:34 <mr6> xml
Aug 06 21:48:39 <dogarrhea2> javascript? browser dev is hardly robust
Aug 06 21:48:46 <mr6> robust?
Aug 06 21:48:48 <onr> mr6: is ndk thing usable with plain C?
Aug 06 21:48:52 <mr6> who asked about that
Aug 06 21:48:55 <mr6> onr: yes
Aug 06 21:48:55 <dogarrhea2> exactly heh
Aug 06 21:49:02 <p_l|abdn> onr: more so
Aug 06 21:49:14 <Stew-a> dogarrhea2: i don't think anybody said it was, but it's what people generally go to if they want cross-platform without developing the app multiple times in different languages
Aug 06 21:49:43 <onr> i guess there is a Lua port too.
Aug 06 21:50:15 <stork> one of the ops in hear is big on scala for android but i forget who
Aug 06 21:51:14 <p_l|abdn> pfn uses Scala, iirc
Aug 06 21:51:45 <mr6> http://code.google.com/p/scalaforandroid/
Aug 06 21:52:00 * mr6 going to play with it soon
Aug 06 21:52:37 <pfn> not an op, but yeah, I <3 scala
Aug 06 21:53:02 <mr6> heh, somebody /chanop pfn
Aug 06 21:53:38 <pfn> javascript is probably the easiest thing to do next after java, on android
Aug 06 21:53:42 <pfn> because of phonegap and similar frameworks
Aug 06 21:54:08 <p_l|abdn> pfn: there's also Rhino
Aug 06 21:54:15 <pfn> rhino isn't easy to do
Aug 06 21:54:21 <pfn> not without a framework to contain all of rhino stuff in
Aug 06 21:54:28 <p_l|abdn> pfn: someone was working on that
Aug 06 21:54:32 <pfn> and yes, I've embedded rhino in one of my android apps
Aug 06 21:54:39 <pfn> I'll probably embed it in qicr, eventually, too
Aug 06 21:55:07 <dogarrhea2> "easy" and javascript mobile dev don't really belong in the same sentence
Aug 06 21:55:26 <pfn> if you don't think it's easy, it's because you don't know javascript
Aug 06 21:55:32 <JesusFreke> I'm not sure javascript belongs in any sentence :)
Aug 06 21:56:01 <dogarrhea2> pfn it's more like, the class of problems many people want to solve (html5 audio for example) don't work properly on various android versions
Aug 06 21:56:32 <pfn> so you don't use html5 audio but rather some api created for phonegap or similar framework
Aug 06 21:56:38 <onr> actionscript is similar to javascript. adobe has an air-to-arm recompiler
Aug 06 21:56:45 <dogarrhea2> you can definitely hack. and hack and hack and hack but that's not really "easy"
Aug 06 21:56:46 <hwrd|work> Is putting Fragments within other Fragments a good idea? What are the pros/cons?
Aug 06 21:56:59 <dogarrhea2> pfn, phonegap is not the end all solve all solution for android
Aug 06 21:57:14 <dogarrhea2> there are still major/blocking/critical bugs with html5 implementations
Aug 06 21:57:23 <dogarrhea2> and fallback issues
Aug 06 21:57:48 <dogarrhea2> just saying people need to be careful before they get all excited
Aug 06 21:58:03 <hwrd|work> Is putting Fragments within other Fragments a good idea? What are the pros/cons? romainguy SimonVT canadiancow
Aug 06 22:00:23 <SimonVT> No, that is not a good idea
Aug 06 22:00:31 <SimonVT> The cons are that it's not supported
Aug 06 22:01:03 <hwrd|work> SimonVT: But it _will_ work in most cases? I feel like that's pretty much the MO on android… i.e. "its not supported but it will work"
Aug 06 22:01:18 <SimonVT> No
Aug 06 22:01:47 <Stew-a> hwrd: it might work, it might cause wierd problems (i tried it the other day and got a rather wierd focus-related issue appear)
Aug 06 22:01:47 * doc_savage ponders how simply calling Log.whaterver is fixing his threading issue
Aug 06 22:02:17 <SimonVT> The fragmentmanager doesn't properly handle nested fragments (e.g. adding the outer most fragments first)
Aug 06 22:02:45 <dogarrhea2> are there any major issues i should be concerned with when trying to use the speech recognizer and mediarecorder application simultaneously?
Aug 06 22:02:51 <SimonVT> So you'll experience problems on orientation change, when restoring after your process has been reclaimed, etc
Aug 06 22:02:52 <dogarrhea2> is this even possible?
Aug 06 22:03:06 <hip2p> I've passed an activity context into an external asynctask. in onPostExecute, what is the syntax for calling an asynctask that's within the activity? Is it something like new ((myActivity)context).getComments().execute(); ?
Aug 06 22:04:33 <dogarrhea2> i guess to be more specific, what would happen if you use startListening(Intent recognizerIntent) and MediaRecorder.start in the same thread?
Aug 06 22:06:26 <mr6> hip2p: i feel somewhat ashamed for helping you get to this point where you are trying to do this, but, what does getcomments return?
Aug 06 22:07:41 <hip2p> mr6 getcomments is an asynctask, so nothing. I decided to put the asynctask call within a method in the activity. So now I can just do ((myActivity)context).getCommentMethod();
Aug 06 22:07:54 <hip2p> then within getCommentMethod is the asynctask call new getComments().execute();
Aug 06 22:08:11 <dogarrhea2> argh. so it appears mediarecorder and startlistening are incompatible with each other. i have to do AudioRecord at an even lower level if i want to also use Nina or whatever it's called in android
Aug 06 22:08:22 <dogarrhea2> so bad.
Aug 06 22:09:54 <mr6> hip2p: ok, then (new ((myActivity) context).getComments()).execute()
Aug 06 22:09:54 <kaneda^> hmm, i have two tables in a relative layout
Aug 06 22:10:02 <kaneda^> when the second one loads the first one disappears off the screen
Aug 06 22:10:06 <kaneda^> how can i stop this from happening?
Aug 06 22:10:27 <canadiancow|work> [17:58:03] <hwrd|work> Is putting Fragments within other Fragments a good idea? What are the pros/cons? romainguy SimonVT canadiancow
Aug 06 22:10:35 <canadiancow|work> are we the only three people who can answer that?
Aug 06 22:10:41 <hip2p> mr6 ok thanks
Aug 06 22:10:55 <hwrd|work> canadiancow|work: Three random people from my chatlist
Aug 06 22:11:26 <canadiancow|work> "random" ?
Aug 06 22:11:31 <canadiancow|work> id hardly call it random :P
Aug 06 22:11:41 <hwrd|work> I'm trying to make a test of the cases above and see how it breaks.
Aug 06 22:11:58 <hwrd|work> canadiancow|work: As random as the "random" TSA searches >:)
Aug 06 22:13:08 <dogarrhea2> i got searched at a night club. except it was a drunk girl. searching for my package. and not letting go of it for nearly a minute
Aug 06 22:13:20 <canadiancow|work> ...
Aug 06 22:13:32 <epsilonorion> For those familiar with fragments, is there a way to have a ViewPager beside a Fragment (not talking about fragments inside viewpager).  I need to have both exist, however, I can't have the mainactivity extending the FragmentActivity
Aug 06 22:13:36 <dogarrhea2> ok. so there's no threading issues with AudioRecorder and SpeechRecognizer
Aug 06 22:16:09 <dogarrhea2> actually this seems like a better approach:  find the temporary sound file that is created with speechrecognizer and copy that somewhere permanent.  good or bad idea?
Aug 06 22:16:12 <epsilonorion> Anyone familiar with this.  I feel and believe it is possible, but I am stuck at hte FragmentActivity part
Aug 06 22:16:32 <epsilonorion> *the
Aug 06 22:17:51 <dakun> accessability api guru, how do i detect notification changes in 4.1?
Aug 06 22:18:44 <SimonVT> epsilonorion: If you want to use fragments (on pre-hc), you need to use fragmentactivity
Aug 06 22:19:00 <epsilonorion> I am on honeycomb or later
Aug 06 22:19:19 <SimonVT> Then you don't need the support lib for fragments
Aug 06 22:19:55 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: I am actually already using fragments.  I have a setup with three fragments, one handling map, another video, another data.  I am trying to change the data fragment into a viewpager (remove it as a fragment, make it simply a view with its own fragments
Aug 06 22:20:30 <SimonVT> ok
Aug 06 22:20:33 <SimonVT> And the issue is
Aug 06 22:20:43 <epsilonorion> I agree about not needing the support lib, however every example I have seen of using the viewpager shows people extending the FragmentActivity from the MainActivity, but I am not sure how else to do this.
Aug 06 22:21:06 <epsilonorion> I have to extend MapActivity from the MainActivity for the MapFragment to work correctly
Aug 06 22:21:23 <boing> epsilonorion: extend Activity...unless using support libs. Activity has very similar stuff in the FragmentActivity support lib class.
Aug 06 22:21:54 <dogarrhea2> blah. no good i have to do the more raw level audioRecord while running the speechrecognizer in another thread
Aug 06 22:22:22 <dogarrhea2> someone earlier said something about the land of rainbows and unicorns and stuff like that on native. far from it
Aug 06 22:22:41 <SimonVT> You don't need fragmentactivity to use viewpager..
Aug 06 22:22:49 <SimonVT> You need fragmentactivity to use support lib fragments
Aug 06 22:23:05 <epsilonorion> I thought that, but I must be looking at a bad example then.
Aug 06 22:23:07 <pfn> dogarrhea2, never said it was
Aug 06 22:23:16 <pfn> dogarrhea2, but it is the end all solve all solution for *javascript* on android
Aug 06 22:23:29 <epsilonorion> The example shows using FragmentPagerAdapter, but passing a FragmentActivity to it
Aug 06 22:23:45 <epsilonorion> Sorry, not bad example, just bad example for me
Aug 06 22:23:58 <SimonVT> There's an v13 support lib that provides a fragmentpageradapter for normal fragments
Aug 06 22:24:54 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: ok, so use support lib, but v13 version
Aug 06 22:25:08 <dogarrhea2> wow. you can only use the microphone for one thing at a time?
Aug 06 22:25:17 <dogarrhea2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4669047/android-accessing-the-microphone-simultaniously-recognizerintent-own-app?lq=1
Aug 06 22:25:24 <dogarrhea2> such a piece of shit
Aug 06 22:25:46 <pfn> why are you using recognizer intent and recording at the same time?
Aug 06 22:25:48 <pfn> that's such an odd use-case
Aug 06 22:25:57 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: I guess the other question should be then, if I am using the ViewPager to display status updates, controls, etc for the thing I am connecting to, is it better to use fragments or to use multiple tabbed views instead.
Aug 06 22:26:21 <dogarrhea2> pfn how is it an odd use case?
Aug 06 22:26:41 <dogarrhea2> in court you record what people are saying and write it down at the same time
Aug 06 22:26:49 <dogarrhea2> or in class
Aug 06 22:27:00 <dogarrhea2> you may want to do the same thing. le'ts not pretend to be business analysts k
Aug 06 22:27:04 * jasta scratches his head
Aug 06 22:27:16 <jasta> anyone have familiarity with using Amazon's web services APIs for Android?
Aug 06 22:27:17 <TheTrash> dogarrhea2: so let your second thread write it down, geez.
Aug 06 22:27:34 <jasta> ...why does it look like all these libraries necessarily block the main thread in all the sample code?
Aug 06 22:27:44 <dogarrhea2> theTrash, it seems that only one thread can access the android microphone at a time. and will block
Aug 06 22:28:02 <dogarrhea2> unless i'm wrong of course, then everything is fine
Aug 06 22:29:02 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: boing: Any opinions on that one, or should I just stick with Fragments (if I can get it working).
Aug 06 22:29:16 <pfn> dogarrhea2, so record and transcribe after the fact... seems easy enough
Aug 06 22:29:22 <SimonVT> Do what's easist
Aug 06 22:29:30 <TheTrash> *shrug* just record with one thread and distribute the recorded data to other threads.
Aug 06 22:29:45 <boing> I don't any any opinion, not knowledgeable enough, sorry! (android noob)
Aug 06 22:30:47 <epsilonorion> boing: thanks
Aug 06 22:30:51 <pfn> dogarrhea2, alternatively, record 10 seconds, pass 10 seconds off to the speech rec engine, etc.
Aug 06 22:30:55 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: understand that
Aug 06 22:31:26 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: I guess I will bang my head against the way of using v13 instead.  Do you know of any examples immediately.  If not, I will just go get to work on it
Aug 06 22:33:44 <dogarrhea2> pfn, does speechrecognizer allow you to send mp3 streams to that service?
Aug 06 22:35:55 <epsilonorion> SimonVT: boing: Thanks as always, hopefully wont have to be on again asking about this one
Aug 06 22:38:25 <dogarrhea2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5925657/capturing-audio-sent-to-googles-speech-recognition-server looks like it's the closest to what i need. but surprise surprise it doesn't work
Aug 06 22:43:11 <dakun> Does anyone know how to detect changed notifications?
Aug 06 22:51:49 <pfn> dogarrhea2, you'd have to figure out a way to backdoor the data in
Aug 06 23:22:43 <boing> is there any way to make the app install on the phone's SD card?
Aug 06 23:23:09 <boing> when starting via eclipse/command line tools..
Aug 06 23:23:11 <clever> leslie: i figured out whats up with my touchpad mouse
Aug 06 23:23:18 <clever> leslie: its not being treated as a keyboard
Aug 06 23:23:24 <clever> its being treated as a touchscreen!
Aug 06 23:24:04 <clever> if i touch the touchpad in the right spot, it acts as a click on the screen, but the cal is a bit off, and it would take some getting used to
Aug 06 23:30:23 <dogarrhea2> public abstract void onBufferReceived (byte[] buffer)  Since: API Level 8 More sound has been received. The purpose of this function is to allow giving feedback to the user regarding the captured audio. There is no guarantee that this method will be called.
Aug 06 23:30:40 <dogarrhea2> i need more specification on when this method is actually called heh
Aug 06 23:30:54 <dogarrhea2> whenever the android device detects vibration in air molecules?
Aug 06 23:31:11 <dogarrhea2> after the translation service receives data from the client? when?
Aug 06 23:35:39 <dogarrhea2> the wording is not quite clear to me
Aug 06 23:39:36 <dogarrhea2> bah
Aug 06 23:39:50 <dogarrhea2> nina as a blocking thread process is so fail.
Aug 06 23:40:10 <hip2p> if I pass an Activity context to a class, can I do context.myMethod()? Do I have to do ((myActivity)context).myMethod();?
Aug 06 23:40:58 <dogarrhea2> android in general = fail. time to forget about programming on it for some time
Aug 06 23:41:07 <hip2p> lol
Aug 06 23:41:20 <ryanm> boing: adb install -s
Aug 06 23:41:53 <themirror> Hey can I make a symbolic link in the resources directory to another resources directory?
Aug 06 23:42:47 <themirror> Like if two setups have use the same png, can I sym link the second to the first/
Aug 06 23:43:26 <mr6> themirror: did you try it?
Aug 06 23:43:52 <themirror> mr6 just curious as I do other things
Aug 06 23:44:07 <mr6> i'm on linux and i would expect that to work
Aug 06 23:44:29 <themirror> Yeah costs nothing ill try later
Aug 06 23:44:44 <ryanm> themirror: I'm about 99% sure you can
Aug 06 23:44:55 <ryanm> but yeah, test it
Aug 06 23:45:07 <themirror> Word ill report back tonight
Aug 06 23:46:17 <Leeds> I wouldn't expect you can, since they're getting packed up into a zipfile in the end
Aug 06 23:46:34 <funktronic> for those who have done it, how much work (ballpark) was converting an existing android app to run nicely on a tablet ?
Aug 06 23:46:58 <boing> ryan, thanks
Aug 06 23:47:45 <Leeds> funktronic: a one-Activity soundboard? a massive OpenGL game?  an office suite?
Aug 06 23:47:50 <themirror> funktronic: depends if you're going to go all out and make a tablet layout as exemplified in the docs
Aug 06 23:48:02 <funktronic> yeah good points
Aug 06 23:48:14 <SimonVT> Sure, there'll be two copies in the zip.. the issue is whether the build system picks up the files
Aug 06 23:48:54 <themirror> SimonVT: I would like to use symlink to avoid twice the files
Aug 06 23:49:09 <themirror> So if it gets copied over, no point
Aug 06 23:49:37 <Leeds> themirror: alternatively, trust Android's resource system?
Aug 06 23:49:37 <SimonVT> Can't do that
Aug 06 23:50:03 <SimonVT> You'll have two copies in your zip if you need the same resource in two cases
Aug 06 23:50:09 <SimonVT> s/zip/apk/
Aug 06 23:50:59 <themirror> I'll try it out in a few hours and let you guys know.
Aug 06 23:54:02 <mh`> it should work fine, the archiving tools on linux de facto don't preserve symlinks. that is they'll denormalize them and make a copy
Aug 06 23:54:14 <mh`> and i'm sure ant or whatever isn't testing for the file type
Aug 06 23:56:34 <mh`> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4869831/using-an-android-resources-effeciently
Aug 06 23:57:39 <themirror> Hey a definitive answer neat
Aug 07 00:01:25 <ryanm> oh, yeah, if you want to use symlinks to avoid twice the data in the APK that's not going to work.
Aug 07 00:02:04 <themirror> Yeah reading bout alias now Thx everyone
Aug 07 00:03:24 <Jug6ernaut> reading :o
Aug 07 00:04:44 <joikus> Hi guys, having a hard time trying to get my ImageView to not show preview images from the Listview http://pastebin.com/Ba1tFU4s
Aug 07 00:05:31 <joikus> I'm using OnScrollListener, as I scroll, the next item will have the previous item that disappeared's image until onPostExecute kicks in
Aug 07 00:06:00 <joikus> I would like somehow to display a default image until the actual one gets loaded but I don't know where to do this check
Aug 07 00:06:13 <Jug6ernaut> joikus
Aug 07 00:06:25 <Jug6ernaut> you need to manually set the preview image for each getView
Aug 07 00:07:08 <joikus> right before I call my worker thread which goes and http get's the image?
Aug 07 00:07:32 <Jug6ernaut> yep
Aug 07 00:07:36 <joikus> makes sense
Aug 07 00:07:49 <joikus> what about caching? meaning, what if I already go the imageview for this item
Aug 07 00:08:03 <joikus> is there a way not to go fetch it again
Aug 07 00:08:05 <Jug6ernaut> cache the image
Aug 07 00:08:08 <joikus> ok
Aug 07 00:08:14 <joikus> I'll look into caching
Aug 07 00:08:22 <Jug6ernaut> joikus 1 sec
Aug 07 00:08:31 <ryanm> look at LruCache
Aug 07 00:09:45 <Jug6ernaut> joikus https://github.com/thest1/LazyList
Aug 07 00:09:51 <Jug6ernaut> this is a good place to start
Aug 07 00:10:32 <joikus> excellent
Aug 07 00:10:36 <joikus> thanks
Aug 07 00:11:27 <Jug6ernaut> np
Aug 07 00:13:01 <dr_traktor> Im doing some lazy image loading, and calling notifyDataSetChanged() is not making causing the views rerender themselves. Is that wrong?
Aug 07 00:13:48 <funktronic> use a placeholder and when the image is done loading change the drawable
Aug 07 00:14:02 <funktronic> if you know the size that is
Aug 07 00:16:27 <Jug6ernaut> dr_traktor calling notifyDataSetChanged() is not right
Aug 07 00:16:33 <Jug6ernaut> if anything you need to invalidate the imageview
Aug 07 00:16:42 <Jug6ernaut> but just changing its source should be enough
Aug 07 00:16:52 <funktronic> i use a stack with a max concurrency level and then load them that way
Aug 07 00:17:02 <funktronic> if the user dude scrolls then those images get loaded first, etc. etc
Aug 07 00:17:19 <funktronic> there's also a semaphore in there and some other scheduling stuff
Aug 07 00:18:15 <Jug6ernaut> nice
Aug 07 00:18:22 <Jug6ernaut> semaphore lol
Aug 07 00:18:26 * Jug6ernaut loves when ppl use that word
Aug 07 00:18:43 <funktronic> well if you want to control the # of requests in flight it's quite nice
Aug 07 00:18:49 <dr_traktor> hmm
Aug 07 00:19:41 <dr_traktor> i just want to do it properly
Aug 07 00:19:49 <funktronic> then don't do what i did
Aug 07 00:19:54 <dr_traktor> the loader class notifies the adapter when data has been loaded
Aug 07 00:20:10 <dr_traktor> from that point its up to the adapter to get stuff redrawn somehow
Aug 07 00:20:35 <Jug6ernaut> dr_traktor are u loading row data or just images?
Aug 07 00:21:09 <dr_traktor> Jug6ernaut, rows consist of text and image data. the text is there from the beginning and images get loaded in a lazy fashion.
Aug 07 00:21:22 <funktronic> dr_traktor: are hte images thumbnails ?
Aug 07 00:21:28 <dr_traktor> funktronic, yes
Aug 07 00:21:37 <funktronic> oh then do what i did
Aug 07 00:21:50 <Jug6ernaut> dr_traktor use the class i showed joikus, there is no need to be interacting with the adapter when loading data
Aug 07 00:22:19 <funktronic> oh that's quite nice too
Aug 07 00:23:08 <dr_traktor> Jug6ernaut, i know this solution. I don't like how the loader manually interacts with the views though.
Aug 07 00:23:31 <funktronic> that looks like it loads things on the UI thread
Aug 07 00:23:54 <dr_traktor> funktronic, no its a proper implementation, i just dont quite like it architecturally
Aug 07 00:23:57 <Jug6ernaut> it uses a handler, so not on UI thread
Aug 07 00:24:07 <funktronic> ah i didn't se e that
Aug 07 00:24:17 <funktronic> i think i prefer my inplementation
Aug 07 00:24:23 <Jug6ernaut> if it was on UI thread that would defeat the whole purpose :P
Aug 07 00:24:35 <funktronic> yeah yeah, i suck at reading code
Aug 07 00:24:35 <Jug6ernaut> funktronic i do like the idea of how you did it
Aug 07 00:24:55 <Jug6ernaut> dr_traktor how would u propose not interating with the views?
Aug 07 00:25:03 <dr_traktor> so is there something in an arrayadapter i can call that gets the whole view redrawn?
Aug 07 00:25:22 <Jug6ernaut> invalidate the listview
Aug 07 00:25:43 <SimonVT> notifydatasetchanged
Aug 07 00:25:44 <funktronic> it's nice since i have tons of little pictures and users like to scroll around so things that are closest to visible are rendered first
Aug 07 00:26:03 <funktronic> i should release it!
Aug 07 00:26:12 * Jug6ernaut agrees :P
Aug 07 00:26:13 <funktronic> GPL of course. it's not freedom-denying software
Aug 07 00:26:33 <funktronic> first gotta release the app
Aug 07 00:26:42 <Jug6ernaut> lol
Aug 07 00:26:59 <funktronic> it's only like 100 lines of code
Aug 07 00:27:15 <Jug6ernaut> damn
Aug 07 00:36:53 <joikus> Jug6ernaut: That ImageLoader class is a beauty :]
Aug 07 00:37:09 <dr_traktor> Turns out notifyDataSetChanged() works properly after all, I was having a problem with the Observable class.
Aug 07 00:37:17 <dr_traktor> So everything turned out well.
Aug 07 00:38:12 <funktronic> oh it creates it's own thread pool ?
Aug 07 00:38:14 <funktronic> damn
Aug 07 00:39:06 <joikus> Jug6ernaut: Everything works amazingly, only thing I noticed is the image url being rendered in the ImageView, looks blurry
Aug 07 00:39:15 <joikus> even if the quality is good
Aug 07 00:39:42 <joikus> investigating the CopyStream function
Aug 07 00:41:22 <joikus> nothing wrong there
Aug 07 00:41:23 <joikus> hmm
Aug 07 00:41:50 <joikus> /decodes image and scales it to reduce memory consumption
Aug 07 00:41:52 <joikus> hmmm
Aug 07 00:42:13 <joikus> ok that function ruins the quality hmm
Aug 07 00:43:02 <joikus> final int REQUIRED_SIZE=70;     let me change that
Aug 07 00:43:27 <joikus> yep that was it :D
Aug 07 00:43:31 <joikus> double it, looks amazing now
Aug 07 00:43:45 * joikus high-fives Jug6ernaut
Aug 07 00:49:39 <T-Dub> How does everyone advertise their apps?
Aug 07 00:51:43 <funktronic> i hired a topless girl to ride around on the 5 train
Aug 07 01:00:09 <tech1> if im not using eclipse theres nothing useful in the ADT right?
Aug 07 01:16:38 <ultra-> evening
Aug 07 01:17:02 <ultra-> i'm using gridlayout… the documentation says it's scrollable, but it's not allowing me to drag it over
Aug 07 01:17:10 <ultra-> sorry very new to android programming
Aug 07 01:20:28 <ryanm> ultra-: I can't find that in the docs, where does it say that?
Aug 07 01:21:11 <ultra-> i swear i saw it, maybe i was confusing it with something else… i've been reading about all the different layouts
Aug 07 01:21:43 <ultra-> i want make a grid of buttons that scrolls in both directions to reveal more buttons
Aug 07 01:21:54 <ultra-> snapping to the grid after it's scrolled
Aug 07 01:23:31 <ryanm> I've never used GridLayout, so take this with a grain of salt, but if you want to make it scrollable you'll most likely need a ScrollView.  As for snapping after scroll, I think you'll need to implement that yourself.
Aug 07 01:26:27 <ultra-> ScrollView only supports vertical scrolling. For horizontal scrolling, use HorizontalScrollView.
Aug 07 01:26:38 <ultra-> think it's possible to put one inside the other?
Aug 07 01:55:08 <yinzara> I've got a question about internationalization for In-App Billing.  The Play Store configuration interface allows you to specify internationalized display names and descriptions for each of my products. However, I can't figure out any way through any API to actually retrieve this information.  Does anyone know of a way to get it?  The Apple App Store APIs on iOS provide this information by default.
Aug 07 01:58:35 <yinzara> So no one has every internationalized an In-App purchase on the Play Store? Fantastic
Aug 07 02:05:28 <T-Dub> I haven't!
Aug 07 02:27:03 <ron_frown> man... finally got someone to actually help me with this damned deck railing
Aug 07 02:27:03 <tnzr> dumb question, but if I have a "Clock" in my app that is basically just a time keeper, it's a singleton, and it has a static getInstance() method that anything can call, where should I instantiate it and/or reference it?
Aug 07 02:27:37 <ron_frown> tnzr it could be anywhere
Aug 07 02:27:50 <ron_frown> if you have an application you can have it wired up on application class
Aug 07 02:27:55 <ron_frown> an instantiate it onStart
Aug 07 02:28:00 <ron_frown> or onCreate
Aug 07 02:28:02 <haskeller> Singletons are to be avoided wherever possible.
Aug 07 02:28:02 <ron_frown> or whatever it is
Aug 07 02:28:07 <ron_frown> oh god here we go
Aug 07 02:28:24 <ron_frown> there is a huge anti-singleton camp... if you ask me there is a time and a place for it
Aug 07 02:28:30 <ron_frown> and a lot of FUD surrounding them
Aug 07 02:28:33 <tnzr> this is that time and the place
Aug 07 02:28:34 <tnzr> :)
Aug 07 02:28:41 <yinzara> yeah but in Android there is no little need for singleton's
Aug 07 02:28:52 <haskeller> the less references, the better
Aug 07 02:28:55 <yinzara> especially because you may incorrectly access something outside a context
Aug 07 02:29:04 <tnzr> well this is a custom metronome that extends Observable and is going to be observed by many other objects during the lifetime of the app
Aug 07 02:29:18 <tnzr> and I really, truly, positively only need one instance ever running at any given moment
Aug 07 02:29:29 <yinzara> Then use a service
Aug 07 02:29:32 <yinzara> Don't use a singleton
Aug 07 02:29:36 <ron_frown> wow
Aug 07 02:29:39 <yinzara> you can't control the lifecycle of the metronome
Aug 07 02:29:45 <yinzara> what happens if it goes into the background
Aug 07 02:29:48 <ron_frown> recommendation to use a service over a singleton
Aug 07 02:29:49 <zodiak> I have never heard of anyone saying singletons are bad .. until now
Aug 07 02:29:52 <yinzara> or if your app gets shut down for low memory
Aug 07 02:29:58 <zodiak> you, sir/madam, win 1 internets
Aug 07 02:29:59 <ron_frown> zodiak lots of people do
Aug 07 02:30:09 <ron_frown> and lots of people in the java camp specifically
Aug 07 02:30:11 <zodiak> ron_frown, obviously no one that learned OO from smalltalk ;)
Aug 07 02:30:16 <zodiak> ah. java. nuff said.
Aug 07 02:30:21 <yinzara> Singleton's in java aren't a bad thing
Aug 07 02:30:27 <yinzara> The problem is they're completely unmanaged
Aug 07 02:30:29 <yinzara> And in Android
Aug 07 02:30:35 <yinzara> You have to think about the lifecycle of your app too much
Aug 07 02:30:39 <yinzara> To allow them to go unmanaged
Aug 07 02:30:47 <zodiak> .. O_o
Aug 07 02:30:55 <ron_frown> nevermind that MANY MANY IOC containers specifically register services as singleton contexts
Aug 07 02:30:57 <zodiak> managing.. singletons..
Aug 07 02:31:09 <zodiak> let those two words sink in
Aug 07 02:31:15 <ron_frown> zodiak what hes referring to is singletons by way of static constructors
Aug 07 02:31:16 <yinzara> you should also really never use Oberservable in Android either
Aug 07 02:31:17 <tnzr> well I guess that was why I'm asking.. I should definitely have a reference to it then, so I can destory it later? or should I just give my Clock class a "destroy()" method or something to null itself out when my activity closes
Aug 07 02:31:23 <yinzara> Ok
Aug 07 02:31:25 <yinzara> Instead
Aug 07 02:31:28 <yinzara> use broadcast receivers
Aug 07 02:31:29 <ron_frown> tnzr application variable
Aug 07 02:31:31 <yinzara> and a service to manage the state
Aug 07 02:31:31 <ron_frown> oh god
Aug 07 02:31:34 <zodiak> ron_frown, ah
Aug 07 02:31:36 <ron_frown> I dont agree there
Aug 07 02:31:57 <ron_frown> service and broadcast recievers are a bit absurd for a replacement for a god damn metronome
Aug 07 02:31:57 <yinzara> That's why you shoudl use a service tnzr
Aug 07 02:32:03 <yinzara> No they're not
Aug 07 02:32:15 <ron_frown> we can agree to disagree =)
Aug 07 02:32:23 <yinzara> So what happens when the app goes into the background
Aug 07 02:32:24 <zodiak> ron_frown, good luck with that theory ;P
Aug 07 02:33:03 <yinzara> If you're got the metronome as a singleton object, when the app goes in to the background, it could end up completely stopping.
Aug 07 02:33:16 <yinzara> And if you want it to keep clicking while the app is in the background
Aug 07 02:33:21 <yinzara> you would HAVE to implement it as a service
Aug 07 02:33:23 <tnzr> no it will definitely stop in the background
Aug 07 02:33:32 <tnzr> I mean everything in this app will pause when it gets backgrounded
Aug 07 02:33:35 <tnzr> if that helps
Aug 07 02:33:39 <ron_frown> I could be making too big of assumptions... but I would IMAGINE its not gonna be a bg app
Aug 07 02:33:42 <yinzara> Well not instantly but yes
Aug 07 02:33:45 <tnzr> I don't want it to do anything in the background really at all
Aug 07 02:33:48 <ron_frown> as a metronome wouldnt be terribly useful
Aug 07 02:34:01 <yinzara> Uhhh really?
Aug 07 02:34:13 <yinzara> What if you wanted to use a metronome to keep track of you time while you play the piano
Aug 07 02:34:19 <yinzara> but you want another app that displays the actual music for you
Aug 07 02:34:29 <yinzara> So that the sound of the metronome would continue while it's in the background
Aug 07 02:34:32 <ron_frown> techinicalities to prove your point
Aug 07 02:34:40 <haskeller> I do love to watch (hear?) someone playing the piano.
Aug 07 02:34:41 <yinzara> Technicalities?
Aug 07 02:34:47 <yinzara> I think that's  pretty valid user scenario
Aug 07 02:35:38 <yinzara> This is not really hard to do. You're only arguing the merits of how you want to do it because you're a java developer that went to Android and you don't understand the platform differences in how you write applications.
Aug 07 02:35:48 <yinzara> If you use a Service and a Broadcast receiver
Aug 07 02:35:51 <yinzara> you code is TINY
Aug 07 02:36:01 <ron_frown> are you talking about me?
Aug 07 02:36:15 <yinzara> Yes
Aug 07 02:36:29 <yinzara> You're statement that "I would IMAGINE its not gonna be a bg app"
Aug 07 02:36:37 <yinzara> Indicates you don't understand Android
Aug 07 02:36:39 <ron_frown> I'm a c/c++/c#/.net guy by trade... and came into android. I currently maintain custom android distributions that I've ported to our custom hardare
Aug 07 02:36:42 <ron_frown> hardware
Aug 07 02:36:49 <yinzara> Alright
Aug 07 02:36:51 <yinzara> That makes more sense
Aug 07 02:36:56 <yinzara> And I don't want to disrespect
Aug 07 02:37:10 <yinzara> I'm just telling you that how you go about doing things in J2SE is not always the same as Android
Aug 07 02:37:10 <ron_frown> I've ported LOADS of functionality into android platform
Aug 07 02:37:24 <Leeds> ron_frown: newbie :P
Aug 07 02:37:47 <ron_frown> I've never done anything with j2se.. and I agree that androids application management is sometimes aggressive and you are supposed to code to handle anything including applications closing at any time
Aug 07 02:37:56 <yinzara> I have to say I'm a little scared if you've ported LOADS of Android applications from other platforms yet don't understand the lifecycle of an app
Aug 07 02:38:08 <yinzara> Yes but it's more than just that
Aug 07 02:38:11 <yinzara> Every time the device rotates
Aug 07 02:38:12 <Rescue9> hello all
Aug 07 02:38:15 <yinzara> or if they get a phone call
Aug 07 02:38:18 <yinzara> or do anything
Aug 07 02:38:28 <yinzara> your app will go through a very defined set of lifecycle methods
Aug 07 02:38:33 <ron_frown> trust me I'm intimately familliar with android and application/activity/fragment lifecycles
Aug 07 02:38:34 <yinzara> that if you don't do the right thing in, your app may crash
Aug 07 02:38:37 <zodiak> hello Rescue9
Aug 07 02:38:42 <yinzara> oooo fragments :-)  love fragments
Aug 07 02:38:49 <ron_frown> I am arguing that YOUR suggestions are a bit presumptious
Aug 07 02:38:52 <Leeds> yinzara: feeling patronising?
Aug 07 02:38:55 <ron_frown> and java guys love to hate on singletons
Aug 07 02:38:55 <tnzr> I appreciate the conversation guys, I'm learning stuff
Aug 07 02:39:03 <yinzara> I don't hate on singletons
Aug 07 02:39:13 <yinzara> infact server side, almost everything I do is a Spring managed singleton
Aug 07 02:39:19 <yinzara> I'
Aug 07 02:39:25 <yinzara> m just saying in Android singleton's are usually a bad idea
Aug 07 02:39:34 <joikus> you guys find any good case for nexus7
Aug 07 02:39:38 <yinzara> If your Singleton does ANYTHING on the "Context", it shouldn't be a singleton
Aug 07 02:39:42 <Leeds> joikus: #android?
Aug 07 02:39:59 <ron_frown> I am just saying he could handle the lifecycle for what hes doing,  and handle it in a application instance variable
Aug 07 02:40:07 <Leeds> joikus: but I've seen http://goo.gl/ER1lE recommended :)
Aug 07 02:40:11 <ron_frown> or something... as I expect it to be very simplistic use
Aug 07 02:40:19 <yinzara> You could handle it in an application instance variable
Aug 07 02:40:24 <yinzara> That's usually where I store application wide state
Aug 07 02:40:30 <yinzara> transient state
Aug 07 02:40:31 <yinzara> sorry
Aug 07 02:40:52 <yinzara> But managing the functionality of the metronome in the Application class means you wn't get callbacks related to the app going in to the background or it rotating
Aug 07 02:41:07 <ron_frown> which depending on his apps functionality may or may not matte
Aug 07 02:41:08 <ron_frown> matter
Aug 07 02:41:17 <yinzara> So let's take his example of using the Observer patter
Aug 07 02:41:18 <yinzara> n
Aug 07 02:41:21 <ron_frown> I do think its helpful to help point people in the right direction if they are going the wrong direction
Aug 07 02:41:32 <yinzara> So let's say you've got some anonymous inner classes that implemet Observer
Aug 07 02:41:36 <yinzara> That are inside some activity
Aug 07 02:41:42 <ron_frown> but I think in this case, he could legitimately go either way and be ok
Aug 07 02:41:47 <yinzara> And he's using an application scoped member variable to maange the metronome
Aug 07 02:41:53 <yinzara> Now let's say it has some kind of timer object
Aug 07 02:41:56 <yinzara> That's causing it to "tick"
Aug 07 02:42:03 <yinzara> And on tick, it sends out a message to the observers
Aug 07 02:42:05 <yinzara> to update their UI
Aug 07 02:42:14 <yinzara> Well he'll have to manage which thread this all happens on
Aug 07 02:42:21 <yinzara> And because of that, he may have activities he forgets to manage the thread
Aug 07 02:42:26 <yinzara> and all of a sudden the app crashses
Aug 07 02:42:27 <yinzara> No instead
Aug 07 02:42:35 <yinzara> Let's say you use a "MetronomeService"
Aug 07 02:42:46 <yinzara> That gets started on application startup
Aug 07 02:42:51 <ron_frown> I know services eliminate a lot of those question
Aug 07 02:42:52 <yinzara> Or at least main activity start
Aug 07 02:42:57 <joikus> Leeds hehe thanks
Aug 07 02:43:04 <yinzara> Then in each of your activities, you have a broadcast receiver
Aug 07 02:43:08 <yinzara> isntead of an Observer
Aug 07 02:43:13 <yinzara> You won't have to manage anything
Aug 07 02:43:16 <yinzara> It will be done all for you
Aug 07 02:43:26 <tnzr> yinzara if it matters, the Clock implements Runnable and runs in it's own thread (it's actually a library I wrote)
Aug 07 02:43:27 <lasserix> With everything else set up according to direction, why would @style/Theme.Sherlock fail to be recognized in the manifest?
Aug 07 02:43:32 <yinzara> right
Aug 07 02:43:34 <yinzara> so that's thep rolbem
Aug 07 02:43:42 <tnzr> and none of the observers have UIs
Aug 07 02:43:43 <yinzara> if you want to update the UI based on the clock tickin
Aug 07 02:43:47 <yinzara> you h ave to manage the handlers yourself
Aug 07 02:43:54 <yinzara> If instead you just send out a broadcast intent
Aug 07 02:44:01 <yinzara> on a tick
Aug 07 02:44:05 <yinzara> then it all gets managed for you
Aug 07 02:44:08 <tnzr> so every tick send out an intent?
Aug 07 02:44:12 <yinzara> exactly
Aug 07 02:44:20 <yinzara> And you use one intent to start the metronome
Aug 07 02:44:20 <ron_frown> broadcast intent but yes
Aug 07 02:44:21 <tnzr> I should mention that I can't have the gc running over and over because it causes studders in the audio
Aug 07 02:44:22 <yinzara> and one intent to stop it
Aug 07 02:44:32 <yinzara> And you use "startService" and "stopService" respectively with those intents
Aug 07 02:44:35 <tnzr> not sure if a broadcast intent will cause that or not
Aug 07 02:44:36 <ron_frown> tnzr you wont have that problem with service
Aug 07 02:44:44 <yinzara> no
Aug 07 02:44:45 <yinzara> it will not
Aug 07 02:44:45 <lasserix> Is going to be impercise metronome
Aug 07 02:44:53 <ron_frown> now there is dispatch latency
Aug 07 02:44:58 <ron_frown> which could be problematic
Aug 07 02:44:59 <tnzr> yeah I worry about that too
Aug 07 02:45:27 <yinzara> that really shouldn't be that much of a problem
Aug 07 02:45:33 <yinzara> because it's unlikely it's going to vary very much between clicks
Aug 07 02:45:41 <yinzara> so even if one is off by 50ms, the next one should be off by the same
Aug 07 02:46:01 <lasserix> just check most of the metronomes on google play will vary by > 10ms
Aug 07 02:46:09 <ron_frown> if the service is doing the ticking and theres varying latency, its not gonna be constant
Aug 07 02:46:10 <ron_frown> BTU
Aug 07 02:46:11 <ron_frown> BUT
Aug 07 02:46:14 <tnzr> well this isn't like a clicker for playing the piano
Aug 07 02:46:24 <ron_frown> I do think it'd be wise to test a few diff concepts and see what works for you best
Aug 07 02:46:26 <yinzara> It's very unlikely there will be the latency you describe
Aug 07 02:46:29 <tnzr> it's actually like the timing brain for several threads that are doing things based on the ticks
Aug 07 02:46:39 <yinzara> And anyway
Aug 07 02:46:40 <yinzara> If you want
Aug 07 02:46:44 <yinzara> Put the "Click" soudn into the service as well
Aug 07 02:46:50 <tnzr> I'll say I more worried about stability and memory management (ie: no leaks) moreso than timing issues, though
Aug 07 02:46:55 <yinzara> That way you can make it a background service if you want to
Aug 07 02:47:04 <yinzara> And it will continue to click whiel the app is in the background with no additional work
Aug 07 02:47:05 <ron_frown> I know this is an old screenshot I've shown here a million times, but heres about 1/50th of my main project
Aug 07 02:47:07 <ron_frown> http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2002/overviewm.png
Aug 07 02:47:13 <lasserix> A metronome that can't keep a steady beat is useless.
Aug 07 02:47:14 <yinzara> You won't have any memory leaks doing it that way
Aug 07 02:47:17 <ron_frown> before I had our custom hardware running on it
Aug 07 02:47:19 <ron_frown> er rather
Aug 07 02:47:25 <ron_frown> had it running on our custom rom
Aug 07 02:48:19 <yinzara> lol wait a minute, so this isn't actually a metronome.
Aug 07 02:48:26 <ron_frown> no no
Aug 07 02:48:29 <ron_frown> tnzr app is
Aug 07 02:48:36 <ron_frown> I am just showing you the kinda shit I build +)
Aug 07 02:48:48 <yinzara> no he says it's a timing brain for doing things on several thread
Aug 07 02:48:51 <yinzara> based on ticks
Aug 07 02:48:52 <tnzr> yinzara: I mean for all intents and purposes it is, but not for like.. a person keeping time, it's liek a cpu clock sending ticks out at a pre-determined rate, and those ticks are triggering events in various listeners
Aug 07 02:48:53 <ron_frown> http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7200/drag12.png
Aug 07 02:49:02 <ron_frown> a little more action on my datagrid control
Aug 07 02:49:03 <yinzara> oh ok
Aug 07 02:49:04 <tnzr> ron_frown: looks cool, btw...what is it? :)(
Aug 07 02:49:13 <yinzara> yeah it does
Aug 07 02:49:24 <ron_frown> and drag and drop columns with busted ass drag and drop in android 3.x
Aug 07 02:50:03 <yinzara> Btw, if I were you, I'd send the tick time (like you couse use one of the SystemClock times) with the broadcast intent as an extra.
Aug 07 02:50:20 <yinzara> That way, if it's a little off, each component listening will at least have a reference to what it should be.
Aug 07 02:50:20 <tnzr> yinzara: well I currently send the time in an Update object every tick
Aug 07 02:50:27 <tnzr> and the observers can use that however they need
Aug 07 02:50:33 <yinzara> Yeah just send it as a long extra on the broadcast intent
Aug 07 02:50:37 <ron_frown> tnzr - industrial manufacturing hardware monitoring
Aug 07 02:51:04 <yinzara> Btw, I don't know if anyone has used the LoaderManager but it rocks
Aug 07 02:51:21 <yinzara> great way of keeping all of your Cursor code out of your activities and fragments all together
Aug 07 02:51:28 <yinzara> never hold up the UI
Aug 07 02:51:39 <yinzara> Also great for other things as well
Aug 07 02:52:04 <tnzr> interesting
Aug 07 02:52:36 <tnzr> seriously thanks for the convo, guys. I'm not sure how I'm going to end up doing this but I'm going to read scrollback for a bit and think and read other stuff and try to come to a decision
Aug 07 02:52:41 <yinzara> And btw, I would use the SystemClock.elapsedRealtime() instead of System.currentTimeMillis() btw.
Aug 07 02:52:51 <yinzara> no problem.
Aug 07 02:53:01 <Rescue9> if I have an alarm manager starting a pending intent, how can I catch when the pending intent fires so I can 'reset' the alarm without the users input? (be gentle... still very much a noob here in the dev realm)
Aug 07 02:53:01 <yinzara> happy to give advice and I would never say my advice is the only way to go
Aug 07 02:53:05 <tnzr> yinzara: is that generally faster than System.currentTimeMillis() ?
Aug 07 02:53:21 <tnzr> or does it just give smaller values (ie: maybe you won't need a long)
Aug 07 02:53:42 <yinzara> Recue9, what do you mean by reset the alarm?
Aug 07 02:53:52 <Leeds> Rescue9: is the pending intent starting your app?
Aug 07 02:54:00 <yinzara> no, it just takes in to account system sleep time
Aug 07 02:54:05 <yinzara> it's the uptime from when the device started
Aug 07 02:54:09 <tnzr> ahh right
Aug 07 02:54:12 <yinzara> so it's very good a doing time differentials
Aug 07 02:54:16 <tnzr> ok cool
Aug 07 02:54:18 <tnzr> thanks for that
Aug 07 02:54:20 <yinzara> SystemClock.uptimeMillis()
Aug 07 02:54:22 <yinzara> Ignores sleep time
Aug 07 02:54:25 <Rescue9> yinzara: I need the alarm to fire repeatedly at random intervals... actually, the alarm starts a timestamp method
Aug 07 02:54:47 <Rescue9> Leeds: the pending intent is starting a timestamp method
Aug 07 02:54:47 <tnzr> yinzara: is that specific to Android or is it Java? this clock timer is currently just a java lib I wrote that i'm using in this android project
Aug 07 02:54:55 <Leeds> Rescue9: no it isn't
Aug 07 02:54:56 <yinzara> It's specific to Android
Aug 07 02:55:01 <tnzr> gotcha
Aug 07 02:55:24 <Rescue9> sorry guys... fire alarm. Stuck at work again.
Aug 07 02:55:26 <yinzara> Ok so the "timestamp" method your referring to
Aug 07 02:55:36 <yinzara> It's it using a BroadcastReceiver?
Aug 07 02:55:41 <yinzara> I mean that's the only thing I can think of
Aug 07 02:57:23 <yinzara> So basically the AlarmManager works by firing an intent (either starting an activity, service or broadcast receiver) at a specified time and interval.  If you're using it to do some form of timestamping and you can't know the next time the alarm should fire until it fires the previous time, then in the broadcast receiver for the pending intent, you will want to use the AlarmManager to schedule a new pending intent.
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