**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 30 03:00:01 2012
Aug 30 03:00:10 <tech1> i havnt seen tis qemu thing before thanks.
Aug 30 03:00:16 <tech1> i see
Aug 30 03:00:24 <grothendieck> tech1: the -qemu flag has to be the last thing passed to emulator
Aug 30 03:00:30 <tech1> oh
Aug 30 03:00:38 <grothendieck> Important: When using this option, make sure it is the last option specified, since all options after it are interpretted as qemu-specific options.
Aug 30 03:00:45 <grothendieck> ^ from the docs
Aug 30 03:01:10 <saik0> also it was "-qemu -disable-kvm" not "-qemu-disable-kvm"
Aug 30 03:02:13 <grothendieck> is KVM given as a default?
Aug 30 03:02:17 <grothendieck> I don't think it is
Aug 30 03:02:27 <grothendieck> because that is assuming your kernel has KVM module
Aug 30 03:02:50 <saik0> grothendieck, it autodetects
Aug 30 03:02:55 <grothendieck> oh
Aug 30 03:02:57 <grothendieck> clever
Aug 30 03:03:03 <tech1> ok i did "emulator-x86 -avd one -qemu -disable-kvm" it says invalid option "disable-kvm"
Aug 30 03:03:17 <tech1> one is my avd name, which works with "emulator-arm"
Aug 30 03:03:45 <tech1> so qemu works with that command but the paramater disable-kvm is invalid
Aug 30 03:04:40 <grothendieck> lsmod | grep kvm
Aug 30 03:05:15 <Markos> so, insamplesize cannot scale gif images?
Aug 30 03:05:17 <Markos> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3072
Aug 30 03:05:24 <tech1> that returns nothing at all groth
Aug 30 03:05:32 <grothendieck> then you don't have KVM
Aug 30 03:05:39 <tech1> ahh
Aug 30 03:05:52 <grothendieck> so the -disable-kvm flag is moot anyway
Aug 30 03:06:13 <tech1> hmm
Aug 30 03:06:18 <grothendieck> anyway
Aug 30 03:06:29 <grothendieck> I am 90% sure your problem is missing 32-bit compatibility libraries
Aug 30 03:06:40 <grothendieck> did it give any error message with the segfault
Aug 30 03:06:49 <tech1> ill try and install those 32 bit libraries.. yeh.
Aug 30 03:06:54 <tech1> hmm sort of
Aug 30 03:07:00 <grothendieck> pastebin?
Aug 30 03:07:27 <saik0> Wait, you're trying to run the same AVD on both arm and x6 emulators?
Aug 30 03:08:00 <grothendieck> ^ you make a good point ;)
Aug 30 03:08:18 <tech1> it just said  segmentation fault (core dumped)
Aug 30 03:08:19 <tech1> oh
Aug 30 03:08:23 <ensi> hi, anyone happen to know how to get the source for individual git repos, i.e where to find the git url?
Aug 30 03:08:28 <tech1> maybe the avd i created was only 64 bit?
Aug 30 03:08:32 <ensi> im interested in the CTS source only
Aug 30 03:08:58 <grothendieck> git clone $PATH_TO_URL
Aug 30 03:09:05 <tech1> i dont remember seeing a 32bit/64 bit option.. just chose default hardware profile
Aug 30 03:09:18 <grothendieck> no no not 32/64 bit option
Aug 30 03:09:23 <grothendieck> ARM or x86
Aug 30 03:09:34 <grothendieck> two very different hardware architectures
Aug 30 03:10:16 <grothendieck> CISC vs RISC
Aug 30 03:10:28 <Leeds> British vs American
Aug 30 03:10:35 <grothendieck> (complex instruction set computer) vs (reduced instruction set computer)
Aug 30 03:10:39 <ensi> grothendieck: was that for me?
Aug 30 03:10:53 <grothendieck> ensi: yes
Aug 30 03:11:13 <ensi> grothendieck: yes, where do i find the git url?
Aug 30 03:11:23 <Leeds> of course all x86 CPUs are RISC at the microcode level nowadays anyway
Aug 30 03:11:29 <saik0> tech1: are you certain you're not trying to boot an arm image on an x86 emulator
Aug 30 03:11:43 <grothendieck> ensi: https://github.com/android
Aug 30 03:11:44 <tech1> ok when i do "android list targets" i just used one of those id numbers, i can see some are x86
Aug 30 03:11:57 <tech1> im not certain.... trying an x86 id
Aug 30 03:13:06 <ensi> grothendieck: thanks but there is not CTS here
Aug 30 03:13:28 <dokma> is it possible to access FM signal from an app?
Aug 30 03:13:49 <dokma> like "listen on 101MHz for signal above xxx strength" ?
Aug 30 03:13:54 <tech1> oh yeh. it works with x86 if i chose an id with x86
Aug 30 03:14:01 <tech1> so obvious now i can see it
Aug 30 03:14:12 * saik0 facepalms
Aug 30 03:14:16 <tech1> lol
Aug 30 03:14:24 <grothendieck> :P
Aug 30 03:14:34 <grothendieck> at least now the mystery is solved
Aug 30 03:14:34 <tech1> double facepalm
Aug 30 03:14:44 <tech1> yeh thanks for helping me find it
Aug 30 03:14:47 <grothendieck> np
Aug 30 03:14:51 <grothendieck> gotta learn somehow
Aug 30 03:15:02 <tech1> yeh
Aug 30 03:15:35 <grothendieck> fun learning exercise: root the emulator
Aug 30 03:15:52 <grothendieck> (I mean you already get root for free with adb shell but that isn't the point)
Aug 30 03:16:06 <grothendieck> root the emulator and install busybox I should say
Aug 30 03:16:24 <tech1> ok will look into that too
Aug 30 03:17:09 <g00s> dokma: i would think you would need a sw defined radio for that, but its not my area
Aug 30 03:17:21 * grothendieck taking a smoke break http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/14/android-busybox
Aug 30 03:17:39 <grothendieck> expecting Leeds to turn around and yell about somebody saying the word root :P
Aug 30 03:18:18 <Leeds> boring pointless exercise, you mean
Aug 30 03:18:21 <dokma> g00s: no way to access the built in hardware via some api/lib ??
Aug 30 03:19:33 <SpeedEvil> most hardware chips can readout signal and scan.
Aug 30 03:19:55 <SpeedEvil> for this to work would need the kernel support, and a pi too
Aug 30 03:20:01 <SpeedEvil> api
Aug 30 03:20:12 <g00s> depends on the type of antenna though
Aug 30 03:20:19 <Markos> word to the wise, insamplesize does not work with gif images
Aug 30 03:20:29 <Markos> but seems to work with everything else, go figure
Aug 30 03:20:35 <Markos> theres an hour wasted
Aug 30 03:20:48 <ensi> grothendieck: does this seem correct?
Aug 30 03:20:56 <ensi> grothendieck: yes, where do i find the git url?
Aug 30 03:21:02 <Markos> grumble grumble
Aug 30 03:21:08 <ensi> git clone git://android.googlesource.com/platform/cts/cts.git cts
Aug 30 03:22:41 <g00s> dokma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4tO_sVIpI
Aug 30 03:22:53 <dokma> g00s: thanks a bunch!
Aug 30 03:23:00 <grothendieck> ensi: yes that is right
Aug 30 03:23:53 <ensi> grothendieck: i tried from two different locations, i just get connection refused/remote end hung up unexpectedly
Aug 30 03:24:03 <grothendieck> Leeds: install busybox and create a debian chroot is not pointless ;)
Aug 30 03:24:52 <ensi> appears to be down
Aug 30 03:25:01 <grothendieck> ensi: yeah
Aug 30 03:25:01 <g00s> dokma: some other cool stuff; sounds like GNU Radio Core
Aug 30 03:25:02 <g00s> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhnu2kOUyA
Aug 30 03:25:18 <ensi> grothendieck: anyway thanks! :)
Aug 30 03:25:32 <grothendieck> np
Aug 30 03:28:53 <g00s> dokma: and i'm sure you have also found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBPhIoq5oEI and http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/how-software-defined-radio-could-revolutionize-wireless/
Aug 30 03:29:11 <dokma> g00s: I'll eat that up
Aug 30 03:29:12 <g00s> the arstechnica article was pretty fascinating
Aug 30 03:31:54 <HorizonXP> architectural question
Aug 30 03:32:06 <HorizonXP> i have a list of items that i'm allowing the user to scroll throw
Aug 30 03:32:15 <HorizonXP> it's 3 columns, with images in each item
Aug 30 03:32:31 <HorizonXP> they can't scroll each column individually, it's just displayed that way
Aug 30 03:32:50 <HorizonXP> when they scroll to the bottom, i need to add more items  that will be pulled from a web API
Aug 30 03:32:55 <HorizonXP> my concern is performance
Aug 30 03:33:14 <HorizonXP> if I keep scrolling and adding more ImageViews/items, it's going to lag isn't it?
Aug 30 03:33:21 <g00s> there are quite a few libraries for lazy loading images from web to lv
Aug 30 03:33:22 <HorizonXP> what can i do to mitigate this?
Aug 30 03:34:36 <HorizonXP> g00s: right, and I'm using this one by koush https://github.com/koush/UrlImageViewHelper
Aug 30 03:35:34 <g00s> for some reason i thought of quiche reading koush
Aug 30 03:35:55 <HorizonXP> mmm... quiche.
Aug 30 03:36:03 <g00s> with bacon of course
Aug 30 03:36:08 <HorizonXP> bleh
Aug 30 03:36:12 * HorizonXP doesn't eat beef or pork
Aug 30 03:36:20 <ensi> grothendieck: works over http, just fyi
Aug 30 03:36:26 <ensi> https*
Aug 30 03:37:38 <Leeds> NO BACON
Aug 30 03:37:50 <g00s> :)
Aug 30 03:38:10 <Leeds> also, although I'm going up to the deli soon to grab a salad, no quiche, because I've got veggie hot dogs in the fridge
Aug 30 03:39:06 <ensi> veggie hot dogs :/
Aug 30 03:39:08 <g00s> there was some great new meat substitute being tested recently at a supermarket (whole foods) in CA
Aug 30 03:39:09 <ensi> blasphemy!
Aug 30 03:39:31 <g00s> tried veggie dogs; stuff with mushrooms and soy, never liked the texture
Aug 30 03:39:45 <Leeds> I actually haven't had any meat for about 2 months, apart from fish
Aug 30 03:39:55 <briswolf> Does anybody know if there is a way to execute code (like an ant task) before the ADT (in eclipse) builds the project? For example, I would really like to be able to modify my manifest to include permissions for internet so I can do some logging over UDP if I am building in debug mode. I had this setup with android build.xml (generated by the 'android' command) but now I am updating my android tools, and that build file is completely invalid and
Aug 30 03:40:02 <g00s> Leeds: you could wrap your veggie dog in bacon, that would make it better :D
Aug 30 03:40:11 * g00s runs
Aug 30 03:40:36 <briswolf> it is somewhat annoying having the two separate build procedures
Aug 30 03:40:59 <briswolf> if I forget to execute the build.xml file before hitting debug then it doesn't update my manifest etc.
Aug 30 03:43:18 <saik0> This ListView is inverting TextView textColor on focused rows in api <= 11, any idea where I should look first?
Aug 30 03:43:46 <HorizonXP> has anyone noticed that the colour white on the GNex isn't quite white?
Aug 30 03:44:18 <General_Crespin> HorizonXP: Check out the xda forums for the GNex.. screen issues seem common.
Aug 30 03:44:23 <General_Crespin> Or at the very least, a known issue.
Aug 30 03:44:26 <General_Crespin> Not all of them though.
Aug 30 03:45:44 <HorizonXP> General_Crespin: that's disappointing. :-/
Aug 30 03:58:08 <briswolf> nobody? shame
Aug 30 03:58:11 <tech1> i have ant working!
Aug 30 03:58:26 <tech1> now i can make apps
Aug 30 03:59:00 <briswolf> go forth!
Aug 30 03:59:13 <tech1> :]
Aug 30 04:01:19 <briswolf> can somebody clarify: when you target a specific API level in the project settings, does this have an effect on the oldest device you can run on? For example, in the BB days if I built against 4.5.0 then I couldn't run the app on 4.4.0. It seems to me though that if I build against API 14 then I can run all the way back to API 10, provided I am clever enough to not use any classes/methods/fields that aren't present on that API.
Aug 30 04:01:29 <briswolf> is this correct?
Aug 30 04:01:57 <grothendieck> briswolf: I believe it filters in the android market based on min_sdk_version
Aug 30 04:01:58 <briswolf> how is it possible? is the class loader much better (obviously) than the blackberry loader (which only ran once, at bootup, and was not really dynamic at all)
Aug 30 04:02:16 <briswolf> grothendieck: not talking about the minsdk in the manifest...
Aug 30 04:02:18 <grothendieck> but targeting the API version should not have any impact on where it will install
Aug 30 04:02:21 <grothendieck> yes
Aug 30 04:02:35 <grothendieck> where it will run is a different story though
Aug 30 04:02:41 <p_l> ... missing 'the' before API made reading that weitrd
Aug 30 04:02:43 <p_l> *weird
Aug 30 04:02:43 <grothendieck> if you are clever and avoid using things introduced in a later API
Aug 30 04:02:54 <grothendieck> then it will run even though you target a higher API version
Aug 30 04:03:22 <briswolf> yeah so there are three things, minsdk from manifest, targetssdk from manifest, and the actual build sdk
Aug 30 04:03:33 <grothendieck> min_sdk_version is the only thing that is used to filter, and it is up to the developer to set that
Aug 30 04:03:34 <briswolf> minsdk is just to limit where you app can be installed
Aug 30 04:03:37 <briswolf> yep
Aug 30 04:03:45 <briswolf> targetssdk changes some runtime behaviour
Aug 30 04:04:01 <briswolf> it tells android you have tested it on API X and therefore it should behave that way
Aug 30 04:04:02 <grothendieck> actual build sdk is so android knows where to look at compile-time for jars and stuff
Aug 30 04:04:15 <briswolf> ok. So there is no problem setting that to the newest api
Aug 30 04:04:16 <grothendieck> yah it has nothing to do with runtime at all
Aug 30 04:04:19 <grothendieck> right
Aug 30 04:04:27 <grothendieck> no *obvious* problem at least ;)
Aug 30 04:04:29 <briswolf> ok cool. I was confused about that :)
Aug 30 04:04:31 <briswolf> yah.
Aug 30 04:04:56 <briswolf> Just looking at actionbarsherlock and really confused
Aug 30 04:04:59 <grothendieck> I tend to build against the lowest API version possible
Aug 30 04:05:04 <briswolf> yes I would too
Aug 30 04:05:10 <briswolf> stops you using classes which don't exist
Aug 30 04:05:19 <grothendieck> exactly
Aug 30 04:06:00 <briswolf> actionbarsherlock calls for "the latest version of the SDK as possible as long as it is 4.0 or newer"
Aug 30 04:06:14 <briswolf> I was like, "how does that run on a 2.3 device"
Aug 30 04:06:18 <briswolf> but I am all smarted up now
Aug 30 04:06:20 <briswolf> thanks
Aug 30 04:06:20 <grothendieck> ;)
Aug 30 04:06:22 <grothendieck> np
Aug 30 04:07:10 <briswolf> what exaclty happens if you use say API 14 classes and then run it on API 10 device?
Aug 30 04:07:17 <briswolf> does it crash with an error message?...
Aug 30 04:07:28 <grothendieck> briswolf: your nick puts a strange image in my mind, of a wolf attending a bris...
Aug 30 04:07:41 <grothendieck> briswolf: runtime exception of some type
Aug 30 04:07:48 <grothendieck> app would crash, you could trap the error in logs
Aug 30 04:07:51 <romainguy_> briswolf: yes, but if your minSdk is set to 14, then Play won't allow API 10 devices to download the APK
Aug 30 04:07:52 <briswolf> ok yep.
Aug 30 04:08:06 <briswolf> romainguy_: not minsdk
Aug 30 04:08:08 <briswolf> that is set to 10
Aug 30 04:08:15 <grothendieck> right this is also assuming minsdk is not set responsibly
Aug 30 04:08:31 <romainguy_> then you have to make sure you don't call API 14 methods on those devices ;)
Aug 30 04:08:37 <briswolf> yes exactly
Aug 30 04:08:40 <grothendieck> oops I accidentally API 14 but minsdk to API 10
Aug 30 04:08:42 <briswolf> just wondering what would happen
Aug 30 04:09:04 <briswolf> it's cool I promise I won't do it ;)
Aug 30 04:09:25 <grothendieck> good luck!
Aug 30 04:09:34 <briswolf> briswolf comes from "wolf" was always my handle in the old LAN days, but it is impossible to get on the internet, and I live in brisbane Australia
Aug 30 04:09:35 <dragorn> you'll getting a missing symbol error
Aug 30 04:09:47 <grothendieck> briswolf: lol that is more comforting
Aug 30 04:09:53 <dragorn> couldn't find class blah blah blah
Aug 30 04:09:59 <dragorn> exception thrown, pants shit, app crashes
Aug 30 04:10:14 <briswolf> dragorn: yep, cool.
Aug 30 04:10:25 <dragorn> briswolf: it's not very dramatic, it just poops itself
Aug 30 04:10:46 <briswolf> dragorn: just wondering if android put up a user friendly message
Aug 30 04:10:51 <dragorn> nah
Aug 30 04:11:04 <dragorn> app has failed, send report
Aug 30 04:11:05 <briswolf> BB never did, if you were missing a shared library etc it would just put up developer jargon :)
Aug 30 04:11:22 <briswolf> I am trying to think of my stupid cusomers
Aug 30 04:11:24 <dragorn> well it wont' throw a stack trace at the user
Aug 30 04:11:28 <briswolf> :P
Aug 30 04:11:31 <dragorn> it'll either throw an app died error
Aug 30 04:11:35 <briswolf> ok
Aug 30 04:11:40 <dragorn> or just exit to launcher
Aug 30 04:11:42 <grothendieck> depends how you handle the error
Aug 30 04:11:55 <briswolf> not that all users are stupid
Aug 30 04:12:03 <grothendieck> briswolf: they are
Aug 30 04:12:06 <briswolf> haha
Aug 30 04:12:12 <briswolf> ok. Just didn't want to get in trouble ;)
Aug 30 04:12:19 <grothendieck> android app comments are only marginally better than youtube comments
Aug 30 04:12:22 <grothendieck> "lame and gay"
Aug 30 04:12:25 <briswolf> ROFL
Aug 30 04:12:42 <dragorn> grothendieck: assuming you're making an invalid apk which doesn't define it's minimum versions properly, i'm assuming you're not catching API errors very well.
Aug 30 04:12:46 <briswolf> did you know there is a chrome/ff plugin that stops you from reading youtube comments
Aug 30 04:13:00 <grothendieck> hahah
Aug 30 04:13:37 <briswolf> yeah, it is something I don't quite understand, why does actionbarsherlock tell you to build with the latest API
Aug 30 04:13:41 <dragorn> I haven't gotten any nonsense comments yet, I did get one 1-star rating w/ no comment.  More confusing to me is you need specific hardware to use my code, and I've only sold about 40 of those, yet google shows 500+ downloads
Aug 30 04:13:43 <saik0> Heheh, I'm picturing an xkcd style graph with webservice on x axis and percentage of retarded commends on y
Aug 30 04:13:45 <briswolf> but it is supposedly compatible back to say API 10
Aug 30 04:14:28 <briswolf> if it does run back to that version of API, why shouldn't I build it against API10
Aug 30 04:14:28 <edwinkcw> If I want to do animation on surface view, must I implement it by myself???
Aug 30 04:14:33 <grothendieck> briswolf: because android wants to make sure you are always using the latest API
Aug 30 04:14:47 <grothendieck> I assume for a variety of reasons
Aug 30 04:14:53 <dragorn> briswolf: because if you build against v10 you can't use v14 functions
Aug 30 04:14:56 <grothendieck> most of which boil down to "thinkign of their stupid users" ;)
Aug 30 04:15:06 <grothendieck> and their stupid users security
Aug 30 04:15:09 <dragorn> briswolf: but if you build against v14 and detect api calls you can't use
Aug 30 04:15:12 <briswolf> yeah, but if I target v14 I can't run on v10
Aug 30 04:15:25 <briswolf> oh ok
Aug 30 04:15:36 <briswolf> so, it is perhaps a way around having to use reflection
Aug 30 04:15:48 <dragorn> well, no, it's how you DO use reflection, more or less
Aug 30 04:15:57 <briswolf> ?
Aug 30 04:16:03 <dragorn> you have to see if you can use that function call
Aug 30 04:16:06 <dragorn> or otherwise remap it
Aug 30 04:16:10 <briswolf> not really, I am using v11 classes from v10 app
Aug 30 04:16:13 <briswolf> using reflection
Aug 30 04:16:26 <briswolf> specifically Usb related stuff
Aug 30 04:16:32 <grothendieck> reflection is the ugliest thing about Java
Aug 30 04:16:36 <briswolf> because some v10 devices do have usb accessory support
Aug 30 04:16:50 <grothendieck> followed closely by file I/O
Aug 30 04:16:52 <briswolf> and for my own reasons I am not using the backwards compat library
Aug 30 04:17:09 <dragorn> briswolf: be careful what you count on w/ usb, especially host mode
Aug 30 04:17:14 <grothendieck> brb
Aug 30 04:17:19 <briswolf> I don't count on anything
Aug 30 04:17:20 <dragorn> accessory mode is less weird
Aug 30 04:17:30 <dragorn> every manufacturer finds a new way to ruin host mode
Aug 30 04:17:30 <briswolf> well it has it's bugs :(
Aug 30 04:17:40 <briswolf> dragorn: oh, like how?
Aug 30 04:17:50 <dragorn> so the galnex works great, as does the n7
Aug 30 04:17:51 <briswolf> I have only seen galaxy s3 and note so far
Aug 30 04:17:58 <briswolf> they work very well
Aug 30 04:17:59 <dragorn> the htc one v appearently doesn't work in host mode, period
Aug 30 04:18:05 <briswolf> sad
Aug 30 04:18:09 <briswolf> one x?
Aug 30 04:18:17 <dragorn> moto devices running 4... the xoom has a wacko usb chipset which doesn't work in host right, it kind of does
Aug 30 04:18:27 <dragorn> my contact at moto said "yeah that chipset is weird"
Aug 30 04:18:37 <dragorn> the razr can do host mode, but only w/ custom hardware
Aug 30 04:18:40 <briswolf> trouble with accessory mode is charging the damn android device
Aug 30 04:18:49 <dragorn> you have to backfeed 5v because the damn device charges in host mode
Aug 30 04:18:51 <briswolf> what kind of custom hw?
Aug 30 04:18:53 <briswolf> LOL
Aug 30 04:18:55 <briswolf> oh no
Aug 30 04:18:57 <dragorn> AND you need a hub in the chain
Aug 30 04:19:03 <briswolf> crap
Aug 30 04:19:06 <dragorn> or else it misreports power budget and doesn't enumerated devices right
Aug 30 04:19:06 <briswolf> crazy
Aug 30 04:19:14 <dragorn> i'm working on making a hub+optional backfeed board
Aug 30 04:19:27 <briswolf> what accessories do you build?
Aug 30 04:19:37 <dragorn> mostly random stuff for projects I need
Aug 30 04:19:43 <briswolf> http://www.grabba.com/ - ignore the terrible website. I didn't write it.
Aug 30 04:19:47 <briswolf> I see.
Aug 30 04:19:55 <dragorn> if I can shove it to bluetooth, i do that
Aug 30 04:19:58 <dragorn> because its' way more reliable
Aug 30 04:20:05 <dragorn> but some stuff is too high-bandwidth
Aug 30 04:20:10 <dragorn> you can do zigbee over bluetooth easily
Aug 30 04:20:11 <briswolf> yes
Aug 30 04:20:13 <dragorn> can't do wifi stuff
Aug 30 04:20:20 <dragorn> so i need usb host to bang on a wifi nic directly
Aug 30 04:20:42 <briswolf> must be some special wifi, why not use the device's wifi?
Aug 30 04:20:46 <dragorn> i was already making power boards to separate the nic and power it off a battery pack w/out draining the phone
Aug 30 04:20:56 <dragorn> can't do monitor mode w/ the built in stuff
Aug 30 04:21:10 <dragorn> but you can port drivers to userspace and bang the radio directly, w/out root privs
Aug 30 04:21:14 <briswolf> cool. so is this stuff just hobby or you sell it?
Aug 30 04:21:23 <ron_frown> xoom is a pile
Aug 30 04:21:28 <dragorn> somewhere in between
Aug 30 04:21:37 <briswolf> ok cool. like engineering services :)
Aug 30 04:21:53 <ron_frown> haha dragorn looks like you and I may have overlapping areas of study
Aug 30 04:22:34 <dragorn> briswolf: https://yfrog.com/j24oyurj is the 2nd-gen power injector/splitter (with way too bright LEDs)
Aug 30 04:23:01 <dragorn> that one has no active circuits, it's just a jumper to split phone power from battery, or inject it back into the phone for the razr
Aug 30 04:23:13 <dragorn> the rev I'm working on now has a high-speed usb2 hub in it
Aug 30 04:23:26 <briswolf> very cool.
Aug 30 04:23:30 <dragorn> ron_frown: on yeah?
Aug 30 04:23:40 <ron_frown> I mis read
Aug 30 04:23:57 <briswolf> I have been working with USB devices since 2006, and I just wish they had put a provision in the USB spec to turn off VBUS current for self-powered devices
Aug 30 04:24:07 <briswolf> it is so unfair that I have to power them.
Aug 30 04:24:10 <ron_frown> I've co-designed custom 4460 hardware, and got our own custom jellybean rom MOSTLY going on it thus far
Aug 30 04:24:24 <briswolf> also I have NEVER in 6 years seen a device which stops drawing current from VBUS when it is suspended
Aug 30 04:24:24 <dragorn> ron_frown: ahh.. yeah, i'm definitely on the accessory side
Aug 30 04:24:26 <briswolf> it makes me sick
Aug 30 04:24:40 <dragorn> briswolf: https://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/kisbee-assembled.jpg is my zigbee/bluetooth stuff
Aug 30 04:25:06 <dragorn> the problem w/ usb on android is every manuf ruins it in some new way
Aug 30 04:25:06 <g00s> cool dragorn !
Aug 30 04:25:19 <briswolf> yeah very cool :)
Aug 30 04:25:20 <dragorn> so you can't even design stuff consistently
Aug 30 04:25:35 <ron_frown> I like that the xoom seemed like it went from may work, to will work, to wont work ever
Aug 30 04:25:35 <ron_frown> haha
Aug 30 04:25:39 <briswolf> no. Tell me about it. I was developing for windows mobile back in 2006/7
Aug 30 04:25:42 <briswolf> same thing
Aug 30 04:26:01 <briswolf> blackberry saved me from that hell for a while, at least every blackberry behaved in an identical fashion (almost)
Aug 30 04:26:30 <briswolf> but they had their own problems, like as soon as you connect a BB to a usb host, the BB cpu never sleeps and so the BB battery gets killed so fast
Aug 30 04:26:50 <briswolf> I guess they assumed that they would always be charging but then the accessory guys came and put in a command to stop charging
Aug 30 04:26:54 <briswolf> and so, trouble...
Aug 30 04:27:03 <briswolf> anyway. it's dead now. I am looking forward to BB 10 though
Aug 30 04:27:09 <dragorn> ron_frown: i've had some usb stuff work on the xoom
Aug 30 04:27:18 <dragorn> ron_frown: but my wifi code which really gives usb a workout falls on its face
Aug 30 04:27:43 <ron_frown> I was happy to be rid of the xoom
Aug 30 04:28:04 <ron_frown> the iconias, the galaxy tabs, the nexus 7 etc were all much better
Aug 30 04:28:33 <dragorn> briswolf: if you want to have some real fun with usb... http://goodfet.sourceforge.net/hardware/facedancer10/
Aug 30 04:28:39 <ron_frown> one piece of advice for anyone buying android hardware
Aug 30 04:28:42 <ron_frown> DONT BUY MOTOROLA
Aug 30 04:28:42 <ron_frown> haha
Aug 30 04:28:46 <dragorn> briswolf: USB emulator connected to python... emulate any USB device you want
Aug 30 04:29:01 <dragorn> briswolf: (assuming you're willing to write the code, anyhow)
Aug 30 04:29:29 <dragorn> ron_frown: yeah; thing is, a lot of ppl do, which means you need to be able to support it
Aug 30 04:30:15 <briswolf> haha it uses the MAX3420. I am an expert with the MAX3421, host/device chip
Aug 30 04:31:18 <Tusker> heya guys, I'm looking at modifying the default Camera application, to disable the preview animation (ie, have it show straight up, without the annoying zoom/pan), it looks like it is using the CaptureAnimManager class, does anyone know how to change the type of animation ?
Aug 30 04:31:26 <briswolf> dragorn: it is a good idea for developers of windows usb drivers etc though
Aug 30 04:31:32 <dragorn> briswolf: I'm currently using a renesas hub chip
Aug 30 04:31:37 <dragorn> briswolf: yeah
Aug 30 04:32:32 <briswolf> dragorn: is that just a usb hub or like a host/root hub?
Aug 30 04:33:10 <dragorn> briswolf: the one i'm using, just a hub.  Just needs to get the power budget in the firmware changed so it allows devices to actually enumerate
Aug 30 04:33:40 <dragorn> briswolf: i'm not even doing nice regulators on it, just shoving the battery pack 5v at the devices and calling it good
Aug 30 04:33:47 <briswolf> hah why not
Aug 30 04:34:02 <briswolf> it probably is all good for most applications anyway
Aug 30 04:34:14 <briswolf> what battery pack have you got that outputs 5v?
Aug 30 04:34:36 <dragorn> briswolf: any of the usb battery packs for recharging devices, there's lots of high-capacity ones out there
Aug 30 04:35:12 <briswolf> yeah right, well they will be regulated to usb spec anyway
Aug 30 04:35:19 <briswolf> no point adding more regulation
Aug 30 04:35:23 <briswolf> normal hubs don't do it
Aug 30 04:35:52 <briswolf> dragorn: so is this your day job?
Aug 30 04:36:13 <dragorn> briswolf: nah; i was a wifi r&d guy until recently
Aug 30 04:36:31 <dragorn> mostly do wifi/other wireless security
Aug 30 04:36:35 <dragorn> then I got laid off
Aug 30 04:36:43 <briswolf> :(
Aug 30 04:36:48 <dragorn> (last week)
Aug 30 04:36:48 <briswolf> sorry to hear it
Aug 30 04:36:59 <briswolf> yeah. sorry I brought it up!
Aug 30 04:37:06 <dragorn> so now I'm just sort of messing around.  Most of my hw stuff is "i need xyz tool"
Aug 30 04:37:17 <dragorn> so to get my wifi stuff working on android, i need a usb power injector w hub
Aug 30 04:37:35 <dragorn> to get zigbee sniffing working, i need to make a conveniently packaged zigbee radio
Aug 30 04:37:40 <dragorn> means to an end
Aug 30 04:38:04 <briswolf> yep. so out of curiousity, how much bandwidth does android/usb have? (I know that depends on a lot of things)
Aug 30 04:38:27 <dragorn> I've never tried to flatten it so i don't know.
Aug 30 04:38:37 <dragorn> It brokers through a daemon in android
Aug 30 04:38:41 <dragorn> which will add some degree of latency
Aug 30 04:38:55 <dragorn> if you shove the usb file descriptor down to native code instead of running it in a java thread
Aug 30 04:39:05 <briswolf> yeah I was thinking about that
Aug 30 04:39:06 <dragorn> you might minimize things a little
Aug 30 04:39:17 <dragorn> It's on my list to patch libusb to accept a fd to the open commands
Aug 30 04:39:31 <dragorn> i've got a path back upstream on that; other than that it compiles into the ndk just fine
Aug 30 04:39:46 <briswolf> wow, very cool
Aug 30 04:40:13 <dragorn> i've got a bunch of stuff pending on libusb on android so getting that done is actually higher on my list
Aug 30 04:40:28 <briswolf> ask google for a job
Aug 30 04:40:46 <dragorn> Either I'm a shoe-in or google won't touch me with a 10 foot pole
Aug 30 04:41:05 <dragorn> that whole streetview wifi sniffing stuff... kind of my code.  (I wasn't the one who put it in there, but I'm the one who wrote the tool they used)
Aug 30 04:41:25 <briswolf> oh, you're famous :)
Aug 30 04:41:46 <briswolf> see if you can get them to fix my USB bug :P http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=20545
Aug 30 04:41:59 <dragorn> for some definition of "famous", I suppose.  My constant fear is "hey lets sue everyone"
Aug 30 04:42:22 <dragorn> tho the lawyer I talked to said I should sell my services as an expert witness and "bill like a mother-f'er"
Aug 30 04:42:25 <briswolf> infamous?
Aug 30 04:42:52 <briswolf> dragorn: you should. expert witness. sounds cool.
Aug 30 04:46:21 <grothendieck> http://techpp.com/2012/08/29/stormy-weather-interferes-with-cloud-computing-us-survey-reveals/ :(
Aug 30 04:46:24 <grothendieck> goodnight
Aug 30 04:46:45 <briswolf> grothendieck: night
Aug 30 04:47:03 <grothendieck> dragorn: can you tell google to stop filtering out ad-hoc networks in their wifi-scans on android
Aug 30 04:47:07 <grothendieck> it's ridiculous
Aug 30 04:47:18 <dragorn> grothendieck: heh.  I can't tell google anything :P
Aug 30 04:47:22 <mh`> dragorn: nice, are you allowed to visit europe still?
Aug 30 04:47:26 <g00s> grothendieck: sure, storms can take out your infrastructure :P
Aug 30 04:47:28 <grothendieck> if you get a chance ;)
Aug 30 04:47:35 <dragorn> grothendieck: even when I was in a position to yell, they didn't listen
Aug 30 04:47:41 <grothendieck> haha
Aug 30 04:47:52 <dragorn> mh`: haven't tried.  haven't heard I can't - I don't work for them
Aug 30 04:48:08 <mh`> dragorn: yeah sorry missed the whole 'tool they used,' part
Aug 30 04:48:09 <mh`> :)
Aug 30 04:48:19 <dragorn> mh`: had nothing to do w/ their decisions on how they used kismet, so...  don't see why it's my problem ;P
Aug 30 04:48:20 <grothendieck> I bugged google about it
Aug 30 04:48:28 <g00s> i'm thinking the nsa has all of dragorn's emails :)
Aug 30 04:48:29 <grothendieck> case is still open
Aug 30 04:48:33 <grothendieck> 3 years now or more
Aug 30 04:48:36 <grothendieck> heh
Aug 30 04:48:36 <mh`> dragorn: thanks for kismet :)
Aug 30 04:48:45 <grothendieck> oh nice
Aug 30 04:48:47 <dragorn> g00s: they have all our emails,I'm not special :P
Aug 30 04:48:48 <grothendieck> I <3 kismet
Aug 30 04:48:54 <grothendieck> thannks
Aug 30 04:48:59 <g00s> dragorn: oh yeah :(
Aug 30 04:49:05 <dragorn> Well, if android sucked less at usb host, you'd see kismet on android sooner, too :P
Aug 30 04:49:29 <mh`> we could play madlibs with that sentence ^
Aug 30 04:49:29 <grothendieck> port GNU libusb?
Aug 30 04:49:43 <dragorn> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lQv3c_HHowQ/Tx32oMZX5AI/AAAAAAAACEc/pozIDjZzMAs/s800/2012-01-23_19-08-24_10.jpg
Aug 30 04:50:01 <dragorn> grothendieck: wlel, it's more the problem that all the vendors mess it up in different ways
Aug 30 04:50:04 <mh`> dragorn: neat
Aug 30 04:50:55 <grothendieck> dragorn: you will need root
Aug 30 04:51:01 <grothendieck> dont you?
Aug 30 04:51:05 <dragorn> grothendieck: no
Aug 30 04:51:13 <dragorn> grothendieck: not on android3+
Aug 30 04:51:25 <grothendieck> why permission denied then?
Aug 30 04:51:40 <dragorn> grothendieck: in that photo?  because it's an early build and it's writing to a nonsense directory
Aug 30 04:51:45 <grothendieck> oh
Aug 30 04:51:52 <grothendieck> fair enough
Aug 30 04:51:54 <grothendieck> that is awesome
Aug 30 04:51:58 <dragorn> that's the rtl8187 driver ported to userspace java running in one thread
Aug 30 04:52:06 <grothendieck> nice
Aug 30 04:52:08 <dragorn> kismet compiled as a JNI native library running in another thread
Aug 30 04:52:19 <grothendieck> a man of my own heart
Aug 30 04:52:33 <dragorn> it was just early in dev so it's trying to write to ~/.kismet/foo
Aug 30 04:52:35 <grothendieck> all my work on android is porting native libs
Aug 30 04:52:36 <dragorn> which doesn't exist
Aug 30 04:52:38 <grothendieck> right
Aug 30 04:52:46 <DigitalKiwi> grothendieck: i can't figure out how to pronounce your name
Aug 30 04:53:09 <mh`> prolly shouldn't try
Aug 30 04:53:20 <grothendieck> [gʁɔtɛndik]
Aug 30 04:53:30 <DigitalKiwi> that didn't help :|
Aug 30 04:53:31 <grothendieck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Grothendieck
Aug 30 04:53:41 <grothendieck> I stole it from a famous mathematician
Aug 30 04:53:52 <f2prateek_> for an app to show up in the share menu, do i have to use an activity for it, or can i use a broadcast receiver as well?
Aug 30 04:55:05 <p_l> it needs to have an intent filter matching the share action on something, iirc
Aug 30 04:55:37 <grothendieck> dragorn: I worked on a port of OLSRd (mesh routing protocol) to Android a few years ago
Aug 30 04:55:57 <grothendieck> so dug pretty deep into the wifi guts
Aug 30 04:56:00 <f2prateek_> p_i: thats what i did. it worked for the activity, but not the broadcast receiver. not sure if i'm missing an attribute or if its not possible
Aug 30 04:56:49 <dragorn> grothendieck: I try to stay out of requiring root or custom roms, just because of the support and security hassles
Aug 30 04:56:50 <grothendieck> if you ever want a second pair of eyes, feel free to msg me
Aug 30 04:56:53 <mr6> f2prateek_: http://developer.android.com/training/sharing/receive.html
Aug 30 04:57:00 <dragorn> grothendieck: which is somewhat limiting
Aug 30 04:57:02 <grothendieck> dragorn: you are wiser than I ;)
Aug 30 04:57:29 <dragorn> grothendieck: at $oldjob we were modifying wpa_supplicant and such
Aug 30 04:57:30 <grothendieck> it is limiting when you need to run as a daemon
Aug 30 04:57:35 <grothendieck> yah
Aug 30 04:57:48 <grothendieck> I rolled my own wpa_cli
Aug 30 04:58:01 <grothendieck> and hacked wpa_supplicant
Aug 30 04:58:08 <grothendieck> to force into ad-hoc mode
Aug 30 04:58:31 <f2prateek_> mr6: anything like that for BroadcastReceivers? i already have it working with an activity, but since all its doing is copying the share intent text to the clipboard, i though BroadcastReceiver would be more elegant.
Aug 30 04:59:22 <f2prateek_> here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/3bEZxXFq
Aug 30 04:59:29 <f2prateek_> sorry manifest
Aug 30 04:59:33 <grothendieck> okay seriously now goodnight, no more being dragged in to discussions because somebody is actually doing something cool for once :P
Aug 30 05:00:18 <mr6> f2prateek_: just make the component you receive the intent in a BroadcastReciver
Aug 30 05:00:27 <mr6> f2prateek_: I don't see the problem
Aug 30 05:01:18 <f2prateek_> mr6: the problem is the broadcast receiver doesn't show up in the share menu…
Aug 30 05:01:33 <mr6> f2prateek_: did you register in the manifest?
Aug 30 05:01:47 <mh`> f2prateek_: what version are oyu on
Aug 30 05:01:48 <mh`> *you
Aug 30 05:01:48 <f2prateek_> yeah http://pastebin.com/3bEZxXFq
Aug 30 05:02:07 <mh`> ...
Aug 30 05:02:08 <mh`> ?
Aug 30 05:02:11 <f2prateek_> jellybean
Aug 30 05:02:28 <mh`> f2prateek_: have you run the app since you last pushed the apk/installed it?
Aug 30 05:02:39 <mh`> the app needs to be run once or it will not show up in the share menu
Aug 30 05:02:44 <mh`> and i assume that resets on every install
Aug 30 05:03:02 <mh`> http://www.vogella.com/articles/AndroidIntent/article.html
Aug 30 05:03:03 <mh`> tut here
Aug 30 05:03:27 <f2prateek_> hmm i'll try that….all the app does is have a braodcast receiver so there isnt any activty at all
Aug 30 05:03:49 <mh`> not sure how you can meet that requirement then, hrm
Aug 30 05:04:00 <mh`> make a quick main activity, doesnt need to do anything, so you can run it from launcher
Aug 30 05:04:31 <mr6> though to be honest it will be kind of weird to have a share receiver that has no UI
Aug 30 05:04:40 <f2prateek_> yeah, its for AOKP
Aug 30 05:04:48 <f2prateek_> all it does is copy the intent to clipboard
Aug 30 05:05:11 <mh`> ctrl-f to 'earlier' in that link
Aug 30 05:05:13 <mh`> it explains limitation i mentioned
Aug 30 05:05:15 <f2prateek_> i had it with an activity so there was no issue, was just testing moving it to a broadcast receiver, since no UI is associated with the action
Aug 30 05:06:17 <mh`> that's not what i'm talking about
Aug 30 05:06:41 <mh`> i'm suggesting it may be that the only reason your broadcastreceiver isn't in the share menu is because 3.1+ requires that the app be run successfully at least once post-install
Aug 30 05:06:49 <mh`> and until then it will not show up in that menu
Aug 30 05:07:11 <mh`> and also if you force stop it, it will stop showing up in the menu (i mention this because if you're deploying from i.e. eclipse or adb, you may be killing it in a way that triggers)
Aug 30 05:07:21 <mh`> i've not worked on a version of android that has this 'feature' implemented, so can't help you
Aug 30 05:08:41 <f2prateek_> it still doesnt show up though, even after running the app once
Aug 30 05:08:43 <mh`> i gotta go shower the android-meetup off of me
Aug 30 05:08:46 <mh`> bbiaf
Aug 30 05:08:51 <mh`> dunno then, check your filters
Aug 30 05:08:56 <mh`> loosen them up to * to test
Aug 30 05:09:05 <mh`> you can definitely receive action_send on a broadcastreceiver without a doubt
Aug 30 05:09:21 <mh`> theres explicit sample code in the link i gave that i know works
Aug 30 05:09:24 <mh`> so compare yours
Aug 30 05:09:27 <mh`> bbiaf :)
Aug 30 05:09:28 <mh`> gl
Aug 30 05:34:39 <briswolf> just got actionbarsherlock working, it is effing fantastic. Thanks JakeWharton :D
Aug 30 05:34:49 <JakeWharton> my please good sir
Aug 30 05:34:51 <JakeWharton> pleasure as well
Aug 30 05:35:12 <vavirta> yup, it's awesome, I'd like to say thanks too!
Aug 30 05:36:33 <JakeWharton> you're welcome! glad it helps
Aug 30 05:45:53 <HorizonXP> i have a bunch of LinearLayouts consisting of an ImageView & TextView that I'm populating dynamically based on JSON data from an API
Aug 30 05:46:05 <HorizonXP> I'm trying to animate their addition to the view
Aug 30 05:46:19 <HorizonXP> i'm using setAnimation, but it's pretty slow. :-/
Aug 30 05:46:26 <HorizonXP> is there a best practices for doing this?
Aug 30 05:48:56 <JakeWharton> give it a faster duration?
Aug 30 05:51:54 <briswolf> when I used the android command (android.bat in windows) to update my build.xml file (updated all my android tools today) it said that it thought maybe subprojects were being used. Excuse my ignorance, but can anybody tell me exactly what a sub-project is? Is it something like a library project?
Aug 30 05:59:02 <HorizonXP> JakeWharton: i can try :P
Aug 30 06:01:39 <HorizonXP> JakeWharton: it just ends up skipping frames
Aug 30 06:06:06 <vavirta> HorizonXP: which kind of animation are you using?
Aug 30 06:07:08 <HorizonXP> vavirta: it's just a slide-in animation from the top
Aug 30 06:07:25 <HorizonXP> vavirta: so it translates from -100% to 0% YDelta over 200 ms
Aug 30 06:07:47 <HorizonXP> however, i'm adding the animation to 30 composite views that are being added at about the same time
Aug 30 06:08:07 <vavirta> yeh, but you are using tweened view animations?
Aug 30 06:08:07 <vavirta> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/view-animation.html
Aug 30 06:09:15 <vavirta> I've experienced also few performance issues with it
Aug 30 06:10:10 <vavirta> I needed to rotate pretty big background image, and couldn't find any way to make it faster
Aug 30 06:11:38 <HorizonXP> vavirta: i am using the same technique as that link you pasted
Aug 30 06:13:21 <vavirta> 3.0 introduced Interpolated Property Animations
Aug 30 06:13:22 <vavirta> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/prop-animation.html
Aug 30 06:14:24 <vavirta> I haven't played with that so don't know about performance
Aug 30 06:14:38 <tagrudev> morning
Aug 30 06:19:20 <rottenrec> anyone here participating in the Intel/CodeProject android game contest?
Aug 30 06:22:46 <[emil]> I had asked this yesterday but got no reply. I am trying to login to twitter using twitte4j. Here is the code http://pastebin.com/iu7wCVYS. After going to the twitter page and pressing 'allow' it is redirecting me to mobile.twitter.com. If I dont specify CALLBACK it redirects to the callback url I spedified in dev.twitter.com/apps(.*). Am not even getting the pin.
Aug 30 06:23:53 <g00s> [emil]: no idea, but didn't twitter just make changes to what clients can connect ?
Aug 30 06:24:06 <briswolf> hey I am learning about fragments - can I reuse a layout xml file which I previously used with an Activity for a fragment? I.e. is there any difference for a layout xml file you use with an activity to one you use with a fragment?
Aug 30 06:24:22 <Knossos> I thought they just removed information about the client that users use to tweet
Aug 30 06:24:25 <g00s> briswolf: should work
Aug 30 06:24:48 <briswolf> g00s: should work - is it the right way? I am confused, as always :D
Aug 30 06:25:08 <briswolf> basically, the layout for a fragment just has like a linearlayout/other full of views
Aug 30 06:25:15 <briswolf> and doesn't need to do anything special :)
Aug 30 06:25:17 <g00s> briswolf: yeah, thats fine
Aug 30 06:25:26 <[emil]> g00s, I didnt know that. From when exactly?
Aug 30 06:26:10 <g00s> [emil]: ok, i was wrong sorry - Knossos was right
Aug 30 06:26:26 <Knossos> Knossos 1 | g00s 0
Aug 30 06:27:14 <vavirta> briswolf: only difference is that you need to inflate it
Aug 30 06:27:20 <vavirta> and can't use setContentView
Aug 30 06:27:27 <g00s> [emil]: http://gigaom.com/2012/08/21/after-tumultuous-summer-developers-cast-wary-eye-on-twitter/
Aug 30 06:27:37 <DigitalKiwi> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitter-to-developers-display-tweets-our-way-or-else.php
Aug 30 06:27:43 <vavirta> and you have to inflate it on onCreateView-callback
Aug 30 06:28:07 <briswolf> vavirta: yep, that much I understand :)
Aug 30 06:28:34 * g00s says: fuck all this social stuff :)
Aug 30 06:28:53 <Knossos> hehe, I never "got" twitter
Aug 30 06:28:56 <briswolf> so, another dumb question, when it comes time for me to write a tablet app, you just basically use fragments as you would use views, putting them inside of some kind of layout
Aug 30 06:29:08 <briswolf> is that right?
Aug 30 06:29:12 <wabz> yes
Aug 30 06:29:15 <Knossos> Not just for tablet apps
Aug 30 06:29:15 <DigitalKiwi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2HAroA12w
Aug 30 06:29:43 <Knossos> If you can separate anything into fragments, you can make UI changes a lot simpler
Aug 30 06:29:58 <g00s> just remember, fragments can't contain fragments
Aug 30 06:30:19 <briswolf> yep. Cool.
Aug 30 06:31:03 <briswolf> so really, you should never not use fragments ;)
Aug 30 06:31:31 <Ge0rG> aw google! why, oh why are you wiping /sdcard when upgrading the galaxy nexus?!
Aug 30 06:31:42 <Knossos> I try to use Fragments where I can
Aug 30 06:32:35 <briswolf> yeah. Ok, I think I understand now, I was just hung up looking for some magic fragment type layout xml, but a layout is a layout no matter what you put it in
Aug 30 06:37:18 <[emil]> I was going through the two links. I was actually learning android and  thought I would give a hand at twitter integration. Does this actually mean I wont be able to do it. My sample app would display the user's pic , name , allow him to tweet and also display his followers.
Aug 30 07:22:46 <rigid1> ahoy
Aug 30 07:23:29 <rigid1> is there a way to dynamically walk all parameters in a Camera.Parameters object? So there can be a handler according to the type of the parameter?
Aug 30 07:24:59 <briswolf> rigid1: could you do that with reflection?
Aug 30 07:25:13 <rigid1> reflection?
Aug 30 07:25:33 <rigid1> http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/ALT/Reflection/ ?
Aug 30 07:25:45 <briswolf> reflection is a way to get access to classes, methods. fields etc at runtime without knowing what they were at compile time
Aug 30 07:26:42 <briswolf> maybe this? http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/reflect/class/classMembers.html
Aug 30 07:26:49 <rigid1> i guess that's not the way to go since Camera.Parameters seems to use it's own internal format to store parameters... i'd rather parse Camera.Parameters.flatten() i guess
Aug 30 07:26:51 <briswolf> do you need to do this though?
Aug 30 07:27:10 <briswolf> yes maybe. I am not familiar with it
Aug 30 07:27:20 <briswolf> relfection should rarely be used
Aug 30 07:27:30 <briswolf> it is more for dynamic class loading etc
Aug 30 07:27:37 <rigid1> well, it's the decent way to create an UI for _all_ existing camera devices & their parameters... i wouldn't know a better way *shrug*
Aug 30 07:28:15 <rigid1> hm... i'll look into it, didn't know java could do that :)
Aug 30 07:32:34 <briswolf> I've created a monster! ;)
Aug 30 07:32:36 <briswolf> bye
Aug 30 07:33:53 <rigid1> :)
Aug 30 07:45:38 <hwrd|work> "BasicDream" isn't _acutally_ a thing, is it?
Aug 30 07:46:00 <proby> guys am having a ght maestro running android 2.1 , i have done chmod 777 /sys , now my phone is not even working , i can't even find a rom please help :'(
Aug 30 07:46:23 <flam_> i think you should join #android for those kind of questions
Aug 30 07:47:40 <proby> flam , am getting no response in android
Aug 30 07:48:19 <g00s> proby: please read channel topic
Aug 30 07:59:24 <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Hi
Aug 30 08:01:26 <lasserix> What happens to views/view hierarchy belonging to setContentView after a fresh call to setContentView is made?
Aug 30 08:03:38 <Eklen> aa
Aug 30 08:03:50 <Vae> aaa
Aug 30 08:07:14 <g00s> lasserix: i think its a bad idea to call setContentView twice :)
Aug 30 08:07:45 <g00s> technically it works, i thought i remember hearing it was bad tho
Aug 30 08:08:56 <stork> eurgh, this is gonna be fun.. trying to create a new version of my app that has some extra features while re-using the majority of the code... any tips :| ?
Aug 30 08:09:41 <stork> feel like i'm gonna have to involve reflection
Aug 30 08:10:33 <Eklen> aa
Aug 30 08:15:09 <stork> i have no idea how to go about this
Aug 30 08:40:49 <wrenny> can anyone give opinion wether ot not to do the latest update for SSGSIII OTA?  T-mo USA
Aug 30 08:41:20 <wrenny> sorry
Aug 30 08:41:30 <wrenny> just one Q  :)
Aug 30 08:43:15 <stork> #android
Aug 30 08:49:05 <vavirta> stork: my tip would be: Don't be afraid of refactoring
Aug 30 08:49:55 <g00s> stork: are you just updating the same app, or having 2 different apps that share commonality ?
Aug 30 08:51:21 <stork> well i'm making a second app that adds functionality to the first
Aug 30 08:52:20 <g00s> so, like a lite and pro version ?
Aug 30 08:52:50 <g00s> put the common stuff in a library project perhaps, and have the specifics residing in each app-project
Aug 30 08:52:56 <stork> more or less
Aug 30 08:53:11 <stork> yeah that's what i'm trying to do, gonna have to refactor a fair bit though
Aug 30 08:54:15 <sivang> hi all
Aug 30 08:54:24 <sivang> I can't seem to find the AVD manager, I think it did not get installed
Aug 30 08:55:09 <sivang> I can get to the SDK manager, but that's about it. I am also getting errors when trying to test and app to the emulator
Aug 30 08:55:16 <sivang> saying the emulator is in old state
Aug 30 08:55:35 <sivang> can someone suggest how to get to the avd manager and shut down (not suspend) the images or so?
Aug 30 08:55:48 <Lachezar> Heya all... Can anyone point out any reading about background synchronisation? Android-specific or Generic...
Aug 30 08:55:48 <g00s> try 'android -avd' or something
Aug 30 08:56:01 <Lachezar> sivang: Start the emulator, but choose WIPE USER DATA.
Aug 30 08:56:01 <sivang> g00s: thanks, is this somewhere in the docs?
Aug 30 08:56:07 <g00s> um
Aug 30 08:56:08 <sivang> Lachezar: noted, ++
Aug 30 08:57:08 <g00s> Lachezar: background synchronization ?
Aug 30 08:57:47 <Lachezar> g00s: I need to exchange data with the server... Hence synchronisation.
Aug 30 08:58:10 <Lachezar> g00s: I was doing that in an activity that the users started manually.
Aug 30 08:58:31 <Lachezar> g00s: The client has requested, that the synchronisation process is performed in the background at regular intervals.
Aug 30 08:58:44 <g00s> oh, look at SyncManager i think
Aug 30 08:58:55 <Lachezar> g00s: I was wondering if someone has done that, so that I don't reinvent the hot-water.
Aug 30 08:59:20 <Leeds> sivang: do you have a "Tools" menu in the SDK manager?
Aug 30 09:02:21 <g00s> oh, its 'android avd' not 'android -avd'
Aug 30 09:02:37 <sivang> Leeds: no, I could not spot it there
Aug 30 09:02:47 <g00s> <.<
Aug 30 09:02:49 <Leeds> strange
Aug 30 09:03:03 <sivang> what happens if I just reinstalled the SDK?
Aug 30 09:03:36 <sivang> I had a prev instal. at one folder, and I created a new one
Aug 30 09:03:48 <sivang> just now, will it interfere with things?
Aug 30 09:04:41 <Lachezar> sivang: The emulator images are in ~/.android. You might want to remove the directory if you want to start over. Back it up though, because there is the debug keystore too.
Aug 30 09:12:11 <lasserix> What's the best way to make a database helper / cursor available to a list fragment without initializing it in that fragment's code (ie, in the parent activity)?
Aug 30 09:13:08 <g00s> sounds like bad encapsulation
Aug 30 09:14:26 <lasserix> How do you mean?
Aug 30 09:15:24 <lasserix> I'd like to use just the simpleCursorAdapter, but the database needs to be available to other portions / fragments of the activity
Aug 30 09:15:26 <g00s> its a good idea that fragments are self contained; they should not depend much on their outer context (in general sense). sharing a cursor is 'too intimate'
Aug 30 09:15:42 <lasserix> Okay
Aug 30 09:16:24 <lasserix> How do I safely access the database if I'm openning multilple instances of it in different fragments?
Aug 30 09:16:38 <g00s> thats ok. i do it also
Aug 30 09:16:51 <g00s> i mean, don't select * in a bunch of fragments :)
Aug 30 09:17:43 <lasserix> So it's not a bad idea to initialize multiple instances of the database in different fragments pending the queries are reasonable?
Aug 30 09:17:44 <jKKr> Does anyone have any idea how to make android persist the changes in contact information data? The changes in contacts in sim card are overwritten on reboot.
Aug 30 09:17:51 <jKKr> Even new contacts created on phone are deleted, if they have been aggregated to a sim contact.
Aug 30 09:18:10 <g00s> lasserix: there will only be 1 instance of the db
Aug 30 09:19:17 <lasserix> Then how do I get access to that db in the multiple fragments?
Aug 30 09:19:41 <g00s> lasserix: take a look at the iosched app
Aug 30 09:19:46 <Sicp> this code downloads a file and saves it to the SDCard, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5472226/how-to-save-file-from-website-to-sdcard
Aug 30 09:19:53 <Sicp> how can I save it to the internal memory
Aug 30 09:20:06 <lasserix> Ahh thanks goos!
Aug 30 09:26:10 <woozly> guys, if I need widget size: 4x2, it will be 146dp of height and 294dp of width? :/
Aug 30 09:29:15 <lasserix> Ahh LoaderManager thanks again goos.
Aug 30 09:40:08 <wrenny> can anyone give opinion wether ot not to do the latest update for SSGSIII OTA?  T-mo USA
Aug 30 09:40:29 <wrenny> I've heard input that it kills 4G
Aug 30 10:08:40 <ex-parrot> hi all, I'm trying to write a utility class for doing HTTPS POSTs which loads a CA cert from a resource, but of course it's tricky to access the resource from outside a Service or Activity.... what's the best solution for this?
Aug 30 10:08:47 <Sicp> where is MODE_PRIVATE referring to here? http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesInternal
Aug 30 10:09:10 <[emil]> has anyone tried this page of twiter integration. https://github.com/Sheikh-Aman/Android_Samples/blob/master/1.%20Sign-inWithTwitterT4J/src/com/aman/samples/t4jsignin/Main.java. The same page is not doing callback. Instead am getting redirected to mobile.twitter.com.
Aug 30 10:09:16 <deebo> ex-parrot: use CA cert already in android, or install the CA cert
Aug 30 10:09:48 <ex-parrot> deebo: can I programmatically install the CA cert when the app launches for the first time?
Aug 30 10:10:00 <Leeds> Sicp: er, see where it says Context.MODE_PRIVATE in the code sample
Aug 30 10:10:19 <Sicp> I see where it says that, but where is the path?
Aug 30 10:10:50 <deebo> ex-parrot: probably, but youd scare your users away, just get a proper certificate for the service?
Aug 30 10:11:07 <[emil]> from line 64 it goes to the signup page. if it is getauthorizationrul instead of getauthentication url . it goes to the page you are prompted to click a button to allow/disallow permission.
Aug 30 10:11:14 <ex-parrot> deebo: there's no need to involve an outside CA in this app, it's just for the app to be sure it's talking to the server it's meant to be....
Aug 30 10:11:44 <ex-parrot> in this case an in-house CA managed by us is probably more "proper" than a commercial CA, since we control both the client and server
Aug 30 10:12:40 <deebo> get your CA signed by a proper authority and it should work? :)
Aug 30 10:12:53 <ex-parrot> I don't think you understand what I'm trying to do here.
Aug 30 10:13:16 <deebo> i do, but atleast I wouldnt allow an app to install a certificate
Aug 30 10:13:22 <ex-parrot> the alternative is to just store the fingerprints for the valid server certs in the app, but using CA validation as it was designed is probably the easier choice
Aug 30 10:13:29 <deebo> i guess you can finagle with httpclient and manually set the CA
Aug 30 10:13:43 <ex-parrot> yeah, which is what I'm doing. but it requires having a KeyStore in a resource
Aug 30 10:14:25 <deebo> if its for a company, i guess it wouldnt be a problem to just tell everyone that they need to have the company CA intsalled on their phone to use the app
Aug 30 10:14:36 <deebo> but if it's public, it'd be weird
Aug 30 10:14:52 <ex-parrot> you might not want to let an app install a CA, which is a reasonable concern, but by the same token I don't want to outsource my certificate issuing to a third party organisation who will charge me for the privelege of issuing certs that will only ever be interacted with by my own software who won't verify the CSR nearly as closely as I will for my own little CA :P
Aug 30 10:15:28 <ex-parrot> I've never done any of the hacks to get at a resource from inside a non-context subclass, are they actually OK to do, or should I just not do them?
Aug 30 10:17:01 <ex-parrot> maybe I could just base64 the keystore and paste it in to the class as a string constant :/
Aug 30 10:20:09 <Parhs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z486Zvv6wAc nsfw :)
Aug 30 10:20:35 <ravigarg27> just checking
Aug 30 10:20:40 <ravigarg27> :)
Aug 30 10:20:55 <Parhs> :P
Aug 30 10:21:35 <g00s> Parhs: why do you keep posting that video ?
Aug 30 10:22:01 <Parhs> http://www.aarkey.info/babble/images/wellalrightythen.jpg
Aug 30 10:22:04 <Parhs> check this then
Aug 30 10:22:08 <kevwilde> anyone using cordovawebviews in their fragments?
Aug 30 10:22:15 <Parhs> g00s second time i posted this video
Aug 30 10:27:53 <Leeds> Parhs: and the relationship to Android development is?
Aug 30 10:30:48 <sha0coder> lol
Aug 30 10:30:59 <sha0coder> the guy on the pic, is a developer
Aug 30 10:36:06 <Parhs> yes he is an android developer :0
Aug 30 10:36:07 <Parhs> :)
Aug 30 10:36:36 <g00s> they both look like android developers XD
Aug 30 10:37:30 <sha0coder> g00s, good relation!
Aug 30 10:37:38 <Parhs> yep :)
Aug 30 10:38:14 <g00s> i hate to see any pictures Parhs has of iOS devs
Aug 30 10:38:28 <Parhs> heh
Aug 30 10:38:51 <Parhs> i'll post some time in the future here
Aug 30 10:39:16 <Parhs> btw android 4+ looks nice
Aug 30 10:39:50 <g00s> Leeds: still doing django ?
Aug 30 10:39:54 <wrenny> can anyone give opinion wether ot not to do the latest update for SSGSIII OTA?  T-mo USA
Aug 30 10:40:05 <g00s> wrenny: do it !
Aug 30 10:40:13 <Leeds> g00s: when I can rouse myself from an absolutely unproductive stupor to do anything at all, yes...
Aug 30 10:40:20 <Leeds> wrenny: don't do it!
Aug 30 10:40:32 <g00s> Leeds: have you looked at web2py by any chance ?
Aug 30 10:40:38 <Leeds> nope
Aug 30 10:40:44 <wrenny> I've heard rumors it kills 4G?
Aug 30 10:40:50 <Ge0rG> meh. it so sucks to get /sdcard erased on a userdata wipe on the galaxy nexus.
Aug 30 10:40:53 <g00s> wrenny: do it !
Aug 30 10:41:01 <Leeds> wrenny: it's unlikely that web2py kills 4G
Aug 30 10:41:07 <wrenny> eloborate
Aug 30 10:41:19 <wrenny> many reports thus
Aug 30 10:41:22 <g00s> web2py is only for 2g
Aug 30 10:41:32 <g00s> web4p4 would be for 4g
Aug 30 10:41:57 <Leeds> but it doesn't work with py3k
Aug 30 10:42:12 <g00s> i think django has experimental py3k
Aug 30 10:42:18 <wrenny> my device currenty says ver. 404
Aug 30 10:42:31 <wrenny> t-mo GS3
Aug 30 10:42:32 <g00s> wrenny: omg it's not found !
Aug 30 10:42:36 <ixc> because, ur firmware not found ur version
Aug 30 10:42:44 <wrenny> huh
Aug 30 10:42:53 <wrenny> usa
Aug 30 10:43:16 <wrenny> not found what
Aug 30 10:43:23 <Leeds> wrenny: you know this is -dev, right?
Aug 30 10:43:49 <ixc> yes, but what means the 'dev'? :)
Aug 30 10:44:03 <Leeds> "Android application development!"
Aug 30 10:44:04 <wrenny> so what am I asking wrong
Aug 30 10:44:15 <wrenny> just asking
Aug 30 10:44:29 <ixc> wrenny: your question not related to development
Aug 30 10:44:47 <wrenny> maybe if anyone owns the T-mo device and has doen the update
Aug 30 10:45:09 <Leeds> and you want to ask if it affects the device as a development test platform?
Aug 30 10:45:19 <wrenny> no just as a whole
Aug 30 10:45:38 <Lachezar> Hmmm... web2py demo seems to fall into infinite recursive redirects.
Aug 30 10:45:38 <ixc> so we can speak about lunch, maybe others have lunch time too
Aug 30 10:45:47 <Snuffel> i just had lunch
Aug 30 10:45:50 <wrenny> since nobody knows crap in any other android channel in freenode
Aug 30 10:46:11 <Snuffel> i only have an afternoon of work left before my 2 weeks off
Aug 30 10:46:12 <Snuffel> yay!
Aug 30 10:46:43 <g00s> Snuffel: so you have an afternoon to do 2 weeks worth of work :P
Aug 30 10:46:57 <Snuffel> g00s: kind of
Aug 30 10:47:56 <ixc> so u can take a rest, and do ur work in last hour
Aug 30 10:48:25 <kevwilde> I'm having a hard time figuring out what to put in my Fragment class and what to put in my Activity class, is there a tutorial abot that?
Aug 30 10:53:01 <alankila> kevwilde: the idea is that activity is different based on device screen size, but the fragments are reused
Aug 30 10:53:53 <alankila> kevwilde: so fragments show something, display pieces of the UI, and call to the activity to let it know what user is doing. The activity orchestrates the fragments and decides which ones are visible or how the display changes based on the fragment's report on user interaction
Aug 30 10:56:13 <kevwilde> so if i am understanding it correct, if i have a LoginFragment and a LoginActivity, the Activity just loads the fragment and the fragment does all the login stuff and creates the dialogs ?
Aug 30 10:56:28 <kevwilde> like a 'processing dialog' when the user clicked 'sign in'
Aug 30 10:57:40 <alankila> kevwilde: to unravel the puzzle you have to think about how it should look like to users of different screen sizes. If your answer is "it doesn't change" then it doesn't truly matter how you do the work, or even if you used no fragments at all, I suppose.
Aug 30 10:58:17 <kevwilde> oh okaym thanks for that tip!
Aug 30 10:58:23 <alankila> but fragments are a solution to supporting multiple screen sizes by reusing chunks of the display code, and that is their prime reason for existence
Aug 30 10:59:07 <alankila> a typical example has a panel on left hand side with list and when users chooses a value from list, on right hand side the item itself appears. This is appropriate UI for tablet, but for a phone the click on item replaces the panel and shows the detail in narrower whole-screen view
Aug 30 10:59:46 <alankila> there would be a tabletactivity and phoneactivity that both receive clicks from the "left-hand panel" fragment, but how they manipulate the UI is different
Aug 30 11:00:48 <alankila> and in fact on phone there is no left-hand side panel, the list already takes the whole screen
Aug 30 11:01:28 <kevwilde> ok, so if the fragment is assuming something that is visible, i should put it in the activity instead
Aug 30 11:02:01 <alankila> sort of ... the fragment only takes care of what is inside itself, all fragment-to-fragment cooperation would have to occur via activity
Aug 30 11:02:05 <alankila> also fragments can not nest
Aug 30 11:03:29 <alankila> so yeah in your case, if you do login fragment, and show a progress dialog or something, I'd actually ask the activity to handle the mechanics of the login, and to show a dialogfragment or something such on top of the existing loginfragment
Aug 30 11:04:32 <kevwilde> simply put "keep the fragment dumb" ?
Aug 30 11:04:52 * alankila shrugs
Aug 30 11:05:05 <alankila> it's a possibility. I'm not sure of the optimum design.
Aug 30 11:06:11 <alankila> android has so much busywork and complexity to it in general -- sort of too much "air" in the design. I'm not sure personally what is the right way to do things.
Aug 30 11:06:30 <alankila> so I fall back on the usual answer which is that there is no style points. Whatever works is good.
Aug 30 11:06:42 <tneva82_> how big programming task is programming camera in android? Just simple picture.
Aug 30 11:06:52 <kevwilde> pity there is no real consensus about it
Aug 30 11:07:01 <alankila> tneva82_: something like 80 lines of code IIRC, to open the camera, display the preview window, and take a picture
Aug 30 11:07:23 <alankila> tneva82_: most of the complexity is around the preview window.
Aug 30 11:08:02 <alankila> Hmm wait no, I misrecall.
Aug 30 11:08:32 <alankila> linecount in my case is with the various camera-related callbacks. I guess I managed to simplify the preview window a lot
Aug 30 11:09:32 <tneva82_> ok
Aug 30 11:09:40 <tneva82_> that's good to hear
Aug 30 11:09:58 <tneva82_> boss is funny. He keeps adding new features faster than I can manage to do previous ones :D
Aug 30 11:10:07 <tneva82_> good if at least this one isn't that big job
Aug 30 11:10:50 <kevwilde> anyone used cordovawebview in a fragment before?
Aug 30 11:13:05 <alankila> my experience with the camera activity was that I had to force it in portrait orientation to get landscape to look reasonable -- if the device shows landscape window, and the camera view is also rotated because it captures naturally in landscape, then it rotates 90 degrees extra
Aug 30 11:13:15 <alankila> then I had aspect ratio issues that I did not feel like solving
Aug 30 11:13:59 <alankila> also keeping the thing reliable was hard -- for instance shifting from and to the camera activity seemed likely to give me nullpointerexceptions here or there. In the end I managed but not without struggle
Aug 30 11:14:36 <alankila> It shouldn't be that hard, but whatever the cause, it was
Aug 30 11:16:18 <alankila> I guess the major problem was with shutting the camera down cleanly. to show the preview, you must have camera open, then the surfaceholder's callback on the preview surfaceview fires, and you tell the camera to use that surfaceholder as the preview
Aug 30 11:16:31 <alankila> I guess I should have been more careful somehow about when exactly these callbacks can fire
Aug 30 11:17:50 <g00s> interesting bit about mqtt, if you're into the IoT stuff http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks-updated-iphone-app-aids-internet-of-things.php
Aug 30 11:18:11 <g00s> i might use the java lib in an android project
Aug 30 11:19:10 <alankila> This is the first time I hear the phrase 'internet of things'
Aug 30 11:34:08 <Ge0rG> ok, starting with 4.1, apps can no longer access "logcat -b radio"
Aug 30 11:34:47 <Ge0rG> now I wonder if I should file a bugreport on android.
Aug 30 12:03:21 <eSatsu> im having trouble implementing onCreateOptionsMenu in my fragment. Im using actionbarsherlock and using min api level 7. If I import the actionsherlockbar view i cant override onCreateOptionsMenu
Aug 30 12:14:25 <_TheFred> hello
Aug 30 12:14:36 <Hodapp> hiya
Aug 30 12:16:27 <wongk> eSatsu: you have to make sure you get your imports right (importing android classes vs ABS classes)
Aug 30 12:40:01 <ertl> hello guys, I've just started my first app and I have some doubts; I'm developing a service that should start after boot is completed. This service will have no UI at all and just run in the background, but, correct me if I'm wrong, the startService() call must be put in a class extending Activity, right?
Aug 30 12:40:30 <The_Fred> hello
Aug 30 12:40:43 <The_Fred> ertl, just try it out and see
Aug 30 12:41:10 <Leeds> ertl: how do you plan to run your Service after boot?
Aug 30 12:41:46 <ertl> The_Fred: I tried, it starts on boot successfully but then the user have to minimize the app .. I'd like to have nothing on screen for this service
Aug 30 12:42:06 <ertl> Leeds: sorry, what do you mean exactly?
Aug 30 12:42:22 <Tee_Pee> Heya... this might be the wrong place to ask this, but I suppose someone might know the solution
Aug 30 12:42:23 <ertl> Leeds: I have a timer object to run some code every 60 seconds
Aug 30 12:42:39 <Leeds> and how do you start the timer?
Aug 30 12:43:05 <Tee_Pee> if I have a base64 encoded image data and just dump it into a file called image.jpg, will that actually be that image?
Aug 30 12:43:27 <Tee_Pee> It's a stupid question, but bear with me please, it's been a long day...
Aug 30 12:43:28 <ertl> Leeds: I have a class extending Service
Aug 30 12:43:48 <Leeds> how do you start the bloody Service?
Aug 30 12:44:11 <jKKr> Wiith BroadcastReceiver?
Aug 30 12:44:13 <Snuffel> bloody services?
Aug 30 12:44:28 <ertl> oh yeah, with BroadcastReceiver, sorry!
Aug 30 12:44:48 <Leeds> and what does your BroadcastReceiver do?
Aug 30 12:45:24 <Leeds> I'm trying to get you to explain how you are starting your app at boot time, such that it has to be 'minimised'
Aug 30 12:45:41 <ertl> Leeds: public void onReceive(Context context, Intent intent) { Intent serviceIntent = new Intent(ServizioBackground.class.getName()); context.startService(serviceIntent);
Aug 30 12:45:55 <The_Fred> ertl, your original question was about using startService()?
Aug 30 12:45:56 <Leeds> and how does that start an Activity?
Aug 30 12:47:12 <Leeds> ertl: BroadcastReceiver which starts a service is a very normal technique - not sure how that results in anything needing to be minimiserd
Aug 30 12:47:54 <jKKr> Tee_Pee: It is not the image data, but Base64 encoded string and when dumped in file it is not an image file.
Aug 30 12:47:58 <The_Fred> no - he want to hide his activity and let his service run in the bakground
Aug 30 12:48:18 <ertl> The_Fred: exactly!
Aug 30 12:48:24 <Leeds> The_Fred: yes, but I'm trying to work out why he's even starting the Activity
Aug 30 12:48:27 <sunny_slls> hi all
Aug 30 12:48:30 <jKKr> But there should be no activity if one is not started.
Aug 30 12:48:40 <The_Fred> Leeds, because he doesnt want to?
Aug 30 12:49:05 <Leeds> ah, he's starting it because he doesn't want to?  that makes much sense
Aug 30 12:49:07 <The_Fred> jKKr, +1
Aug 30 12:49:16 <sunny_slls> my edittext and button at the bottom are getting hidden by the softkeyboard
Aug 30 12:49:25 <sunny_slls> i have tried windowsoftinputmode
Aug 30 12:49:33 <sunny_slls> but nothing seems to work out
Aug 30 12:50:03 <The_Fred> sunny_slls, put our layout into a scrollview and it should roll up when the soft KB is shown...
Aug 30 12:50:03 <Leeds> ertl: why are you starting your Activity if you don't want to?
Aug 30 12:50:09 <sunny_slls> on launching the soft keyboard only half of the editext window is shown
Aug 30 12:50:23 <ertl> wait guys ... I'll explain better. I want to run the Service without any UI or Activity, but I read (but maybe it's not true, I'm here asking it) that the StartService call should be included into an Activity
Aug 30 12:50:24 <sunny_slls> The_Fred: its in the scrollview itself
Aug 30 12:50:36 <The_Fred> aha - i dont know then
Aug 30 12:50:46 <Leeds> ertl: no, you just call startService from the BroadcastReceiver
Aug 30 12:51:06 <ertl> Leeds: so I can remove the activity part even from the Manifest?
Aug 30 12:51:07 <sunny_slls> Leeds: can you please help me out
Aug 30 12:51:29 <Leeds> ertl: sure, if you don't want your app to be launchable or have any UI at all... wtf?
Aug 30 12:51:40 <ertl> Leeds: cool, thanks
Aug 30 12:51:48 <ertl> The_Fred: thanks to you, too :)
Aug 30 12:51:57 <The_Fred> ertl, np
Aug 30 12:53:10 <sunny_slls> Leeds: can you help me out please
Aug 30 12:53:56 <Leeds> ertl: um, do you actually want your app to have no UI at all, not be launchable, etc?  I was joking...
Aug 30 12:55:45 <ertl> Leeds: I have a section with receiver and this action android:name="android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED"> inside Manifest, it's not OK?
Aug 30 12:56:36 <Leeds> ertl: it's fine... and that will run at boot time
Aug 30 12:56:49 <Leeds> do you want your app to have any front-end at all?
Aug 30 12:57:07 <ertl> Leeds: it's what I need, started automatically at boot time, without any front-end
Aug 30 12:57:15 <Leeds> what does your app do?
Aug 30 12:57:52 <ertl> Leeds: we'd like to use it to get GPS coords and send them to our server in a JSON format, to store them in a mysql db
Aug 30 12:58:05 <Leeds> ah, so this isn't a public app?
Aug 30 12:58:22 <ertl> Leeds: nope
Aug 30 12:58:31 <Leeds> ok
Aug 30 12:58:47 <Leeds> depending on how often you run it, it'll kill your battery... just so you know
Aug 30 13:00:07 <ertl> Leeds: I know, but the tablets will always be on charge I think ... they'll be given to trucks drivers to monitor them
Aug 30 13:00:17 <Leeds> fair enough :)
Aug 30 13:00:56 <Leeds> personally, I'd still want a way to disable it, but it's your app
Aug 30 13:01:30 <lov> frankly, if I were ertl I'd want to try to find ways to not disable it, so that drivers don't end up "cheating" and then blame the tablet.
Aug 30 13:01:42 <ertl> Leeds: a second question, if I can ... what should I do to respawn automatically the service if it crashes? well OK, they can turn off and on the tablet
Aug 30 13:01:47 <ertl> lov: exactly
Aug 30 13:01:57 <Leeds> lov: put a password on it, whatever
Aug 30 13:02:10 <lov> on what, the force close button?
Aug 30 13:02:37 <Leeds> lov: simple UI with big on/off swich
Aug 30 13:02:39 <Leeds> switch!
Aug 30 13:02:41 <lov> heh
Aug 30 13:02:57 <Leeds> ertl: how often will you push data?
Aug 30 13:03:23 <ertl> Leeds: let's say every 60 seconds, still not sure about it
Aug 30 13:04:15 <Leeds> for a longer gap, you should definitely be using AlarmManager
Aug 30 13:04:21 <w33dy> Hi! :) I've two layouts, one for the login and another to register a new user on a website but I want to create a flip 3d animation when the user clicks in the "New user? Register now!". What's the easiest/best way to achieve that? :S
Aug 30 13:05:37 <wongk> fragments, though i don't know about the animation bit specifically
Aug 30 13:08:16 <w33dy> wongk: Can this lib https://code.google.com/p/android-3d-flip-view-transition/ flip layouts?
Aug 30 13:09:30 <wongk> i don't know, i didn't write it
Aug 30 13:09:44 <The_Fred> lol
Aug 30 13:15:40 <Yuyo> hey guys... i'm using SpannableStringBuilder to insert images and links to a TextView. i want the user to be able to copy the contents of this textview and paste it somewhere else in my app. what's the best way to serialize it and deserialize it back?
Aug 30 13:17:24 <ixc> maybe html, it looks easy
Aug 30 13:52:22 <Hodapp> oh, come on, Android... why is this app running out of memory when I'm null'ing everything and forcing GC...
Aug 30 13:53:03 <Hodapp> the only difference is that instead of saving a byte[] with raw JPEG data to a file and then loading it back later with BitmapFactory, I'm keeping the byte[] around temporarily and loading it with BitmapFactory via a different method
Aug 30 13:54:01 <PhoenixMage> Hi All, how would I go about finding the values to use to generate a new AVD config? Specifically I am interest in the layout values of the phone. If I have short term access to one is it possible to write a program I can run on the phone to get the values?
Aug 30 13:54:11 <Hodapp> but decodeByteArray is giving the OutOfMemoryError now
Aug 30 13:55:29 <tapas> why the hell does the email program on my android device think that the network is not available?
Aug 30 13:55:46 <tapas> and only when started from an intent..
Aug 30 13:55:54 <tapas> ACTION_SEND that is
Aug 30 13:56:51 <tapas> from the email program itself i can send emails however i want..
Aug 30 13:57:44 <tapas> erm, actually my bad :D
Aug 30 13:57:50 <tapas> the mail server for that one account is down..
Aug 30 13:57:51 <tapas> gnah
Aug 30 13:57:56 <Leeds> heh
Aug 30 13:58:17 <tapas> but hey, no the "network is not available" is only vaguely correct as an error message in that case..
Aug 30 14:06:24 <snooplsm> for EditText how do you get the drawable like how twitter has it?
Aug 30 14:07:41 <monsti> the ediittext has about 8 or 12 9-patches
Aug 30 14:10:11 <Hodapp> gaaah, "Unable to start activity ComponentInfo" when I rotate the screen in one activity... NPE for some reason
Aug 30 14:11:07 <Snuffel> there's a line number Hodapp
Aug 30 14:11:13 <Snuffel> that should help you
Aug 30 14:12:07 <Hodapp> not particularly, when it's buried in not-my-code
Aug 30 14:12:25 <Snuffel> ComponentInfo isn't yours?
Aug 30 14:13:16 <Hodapp> um, no
Aug 30 14:16:43 <teb_> good morning everyone :)
Aug 30 14:16:52 <lov> Hodapp: look for a nice fat "caused by" in that stacktrace
Aug 30 14:17:03 <lov> there's usually a root cause which is your fault
Aug 30 14:17:08 <teb_> lov, deja'vu lol
Aug 30 14:30:57 <eSatsu> http://pastebin.com/UsztyKCy i cant overwrite onCreateOptionsMenu in my fragment for some reason, heres my list of imports
Aug 30 14:31:02 <eSatsu> i cant seem to figure this out
Aug 30 14:31:53 <eSatsu> if i rightclick and go source - override
Aug 30 14:32:10 <eSatsu> err overwrite --> override
Aug 30 14:33:18 <SimonVT> You need to extend SherlockFragment
Aug 30 14:33:19 <eSatsu> ill get the method with the right imports.....using android.view.menuitem, but the calls i need require lvl 11 api there
Aug 30 14:34:32 <eSatsu> oh
Aug 30 14:34:36 <eSatsu> thanks
Aug 30 14:36:39 <teb_> Trying to retreive an InputStreamReader(char[] buff) I get ioException in FutureTask$Sync.class so I don't see any stacktrace
Aug 30 14:37:08 <teb_> http://pastebin.com/T8WFQizB here is a pastebin of my class
Aug 30 14:39:39 <teb_> please :(
Aug 30 14:41:33 <Ivru> teb_: debug
Aug 30 14:42:07 <Ivru> also, have you add the permission for internet access ?
Aug 30 14:42:17 <teb_> yes, I have
Aug 30 14:42:22 <teb_> oh, there it is, a RED exception
Aug 30 14:42:47 <Ivru> a red exception...
Aug 30 14:42:49 <Ivru> ok
Aug 30 14:43:00 <teb_> it's an uncaught exception .. imma pastebin it
Aug 30 14:43:04 <Tee_Pee> Heya folks - any reason why my app would hang on BitmapFactory.decodeStream()? I get the file successfully with myF=new File(path), and send it off to decodeStream(new FileInputStream(myF))
Aug 30 14:43:17 <Tee_Pee> However, the line after the decodeStream never happens
Aug 30 14:43:18 <teb_> http://pastebin.com/jKrPw8ak
Aug 30 14:43:43 <IceClaw> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12199469/split-actionbar-same-size-withtext
Aug 30 14:43:50 <Ivru> teb_: MainActivity.java:81
Aug 30 14:43:52 <Ivru> NPE
Aug 30 14:45:06 <teb_> nullpointer?
Aug 30 14:46:20 <torniker> hi, I am trying to play http stream in my app ... I am doing it on standard m3u8 urls, but I want to use php file that returns same content, but that case does not works I think  problem is the content type header, can anyone help me with this?
Aug 30 14:46:41 <Ivru> teb_: yes...
Aug 30 14:50:00 <Tee_Pee> alright so... I can't open a fileinputstream
Aug 30 14:50:08 <IceClaw> how can i make the menuitems in the split actionbar in the same size?
Aug 30 14:56:52 <IceClaw> how can i make the menuitems in the split actionbar in the same size?
Aug 30 14:57:36 <SimonVT> No need to repeat yourself..
Aug 30 14:57:39 <SimonVT> Also, what?
Aug 30 15:01:57 <IceClaw> SimonVT i have the split actionbar
Aug 30 15:02:16 <SimonVT> I'm with you that far
Aug 30 15:02:35 <Tee_Pee> So... I'm at a loss.
Aug 30 15:02:47 <Tee_Pee> My code just hangs on fs=new BufferedInputStream(new FileInputStream(original));
Aug 30 15:02:54 <IceClaw> SimonVT but my bottom menuitems havent the same size (in width)
Aug 30 15:02:58 <IceClaw> how can i make that?
Aug 30 15:03:05 <Tee_Pee> original is a File object which I know exists because I log original.getName() earlier.
Aug 30 15:03:21 <Tee_Pee> Nothing after the inputstream line gets executed.
Aug 30 15:03:57 <SimonVT> Did you give them an icon?
Aug 30 15:04:48 <IceClaw> no. all have only text
Aug 30 15:05:02 <SimonVT> Then you can't
Aug 30 15:05:22 <SimonVT> Also, you should always give them an icon
Aug 30 15:05:25 <IceClaw> it isnt posible to have the same width with text?
Aug 30 15:05:52 <IceClaw> when all have a icon i can do that? how?
Aug 30 15:06:13 <SimonVT> You have no control over the size of the menu items
Aug 30 15:06:21 <SimonVT> if they have an icon, only the icon is shown
Aug 30 15:06:22 <SimonVT> Always
Aug 30 15:06:31 <SimonVT> And since all icons are the same size, so are your menu items
Aug 30 15:06:35 <IceClaw> and then all the icons have the same size?
Aug 30 15:06:45 <IceClaw> bad ... thank you
Aug 30 15:06:53 <SimonVT> With text, just make sure all your text is the same size
Aug 30 15:06:56 <SimonVT> Add some extra spaces
Aug 30 15:06:59 <SimonVT> Misspell a few words
Aug 30 15:07:02 <SimonVT> You'll get there
Aug 30 15:07:50 <thomas`-> Hi everybody
Aug 30 15:08:01 <Hodapp> Hi Dr. Nick!
Aug 30 15:08:23 <thomas`-> Is it possible to open a native android view from a web view? and.. also pass data to it?
Aug 30 15:08:28 <thomas`-> :)
Aug 30 15:11:05 <JakeWharton> you can pass data to and from a WebView using javascript interfaces
Aug 30 15:11:31 <JakeWharton> http://developer.android.com/guide/webapps/webview.html
Aug 30 15:11:39 <Tee_Pee> Are there any restrictions to either FileInputStream or BitmapFactory.decodeFile?
Aug 30 15:11:52 <Tee_Pee> are some directories restricted?
Aug 30 15:11:59 <Tee_Pee> My app just hangs on either one of those two lines
Aug 30 15:12:04 <Tee_Pee> I know that the file exists
Aug 30 15:14:13 <thomas`-> JakeWharton, that looks cool way to do it. On iOS it doesnt seem as easy
Aug 30 15:14:46 <thomas`-> you have to open it like customprotocol://params/go/here
Aug 30 15:14:49 <thomas`-> or something
Aug 30 15:14:51 <JakeWharton> Tee_Pee: do you have permission to read from wherever you're reading from?
Aug 30 15:15:05 <JakeWharton> thomas`-: that's correct
Aug 30 15:16:04 <Hodapp> http://androidrises.blogspot.com/ says that the back button or finish() cause onPause(), onStop(), onDestroy() to be called in an Activity
Aug 30 15:16:11 <Hodapp> is there anything uniquely called with just the back button?
Aug 30 15:16:31 <Tee_Pee> JakeWharton - Currently my app has blanket permissions to essentially do everything... Just to be sure I am gonna try a different path, from the apps own cache directory to which I've written and read from before.
Aug 30 15:16:46 <Tee_Pee> nope, still same thing.
Aug 30 15:16:54 <JakeWharton> Hodapp: onBackPressed()
Aug 30 15:17:00 <Hodapp> oh, derp
Aug 30 15:17:28 <thomas`-> JakeWharton, but i think i see an advantage to the iOS method because if a user opens my site in the inbuilt browser (not lauched by my app), and they come to the code that binds the javascript to Android, it will not know where to find it?
Aug 30 15:17:41 <Tee_Pee> just to make sure - if new File(somepath) can't actually find and load the file, I won't be able to do stuff like .getName() or getAbsolutePath(), right?
Aug 30 15:18:08 <JakeWharton> thomas`-: in Android you add an intent filter so that when they navigate to the site it opens your app
Aug 30 15:20:23 <thomas`-> JakeWharton, thats pretty neat. thanks!
Aug 30 15:20:53 <lov> Tee_Pee: the File class doesn't actually do any sort of loading; it's just a wrapper around the file path.
Aug 30 15:21:16 <lov> Tee_Pee: you should generally call .exists() and .canRead() to determine if the file is even available and usable.
Aug 30 15:21:36 <Tee_Pee> I just realized that. Looks like my file lookup is wrong, the path doesn't match. I believed that it managed to resolve the file since it managed to get its name, path etc.
Aug 30 15:21:37 <lov> if you create a new File() instance pointing to a file that doesn't yet exist, or a file that you don't have read permission to, nothing will go wrong.
Aug 30 15:22:04 <Tee_Pee> that being said
Aug 30 15:22:25 <Tee_Pee> the path to my file is /mnt/sdcard/blabla
Aug 30 15:22:38 <Tee_Pee> Do I pass that to new File(), or without the starting / ?
Aug 30 15:23:29 <Tee_Pee> actually, the string passed to the function looks like file:///mnt/sdcard/Android/data/com.content.pycsell_mobile/cache/PycsellMobile/album_105/images_410_bprf5s6t_view.jpg
Aug 30 15:23:37 <Tee_Pee> How far do I have to trim it?
Aug 30 15:38:03 <pfn_> I wish people would do a better job of keeping maven repos up to date with android libraries
Aug 30 15:40:26 <JakeWharton> why don't you do it
Aug 30 15:42:32 <pfn> because damned if I know how to or whatnot
Aug 30 15:42:54 <pfn> and for that matter, if some arbitrary person can update central mvn repos, I can't really trust using it
Aug 30 15:43:29 <JakeWharton> well then complaining about it is useless
Aug 30 15:43:43 <JakeWharton> and yes, it's done by a normal person
Aug 30 15:44:34 <JakeWharton> install them locally or deploy to your own nexus
Aug 30 15:44:40 <JakeWharton> takes 30 seconds and you can "trust" it
Aug 30 15:45:56 <Leeds> presumably projects own their own public... repo entry?
Aug 30 15:47:28 <JakeWharton> They do
Aug 30 15:47:43 <JakeWharton> But you can get permissions to other groupIds
Aug 30 15:47:57 <JakeWharton> I maintain the com.google.android:support-v4 artifact and I certainly don't work at Google
Aug 30 15:48:35 <Leeds> yet ;)
Aug 30 15:50:09 <Leeds> but the point is that I can't just publish a new version of that tag (artifact?) and have people automatically pick it up
Aug 30 15:50:32 <JakeWharton> right
Aug 30 15:51:13 <Leeds> which is what it sounds like pfn was scared of
Aug 30 15:51:22 <mbrevda> when doing restapi stuff using a sync adapter, should I be doing the actualy rest calls in another thread or via a service, or can I (theoretically) inline them directly in onPerformSync?
Aug 30 15:53:38 <Hodapp> hitting Ctrl-End to go to the end of a manifest XML document in Eclipse... failed.
Aug 30 15:53:52 <Hodapp> Eclipse brought me up an error and everything.
Aug 30 15:54:14 <Hodapp> '"Text End" did not complete normally.  Please see the log for more information.'
Aug 30 15:54:31 <Hodapp> buggy piece of shit.
Aug 30 15:55:52 <Konigsberg7> why do i keep getting banned from #android all of a sudden
Aug 30 15:55:59 <Konigsberg7> i dont even talk in that channel, i just restarted my mirc
Aug 30 15:56:16 <Konigsberg7> cant find a youve been kicked quote in any of the logs
Aug 30 15:56:44 <Hodapp> Konigsberg7: you identified to nickserv?
Aug 30 15:56:48 <Konigsberg7> yeah
Aug 30 15:56:59 <wongk> otherwise he couldn't talk in here :P
Aug 30 15:57:14 <Konigsberg7> oh well
Aug 30 15:57:51 <HorizonXP> i'm trying to animate the addition of an item to a LinearLayout column
Aug 30 15:57:58 <HorizonXP> is this possible on API level 10?
Aug 30 15:58:27 <Leeds> Konigsberg7: you were in #android until 10 minutes ago...
Aug 30 15:58:48 <Konigsberg7> yeah
Aug 30 15:58:50 <Konigsberg7> i restarted
Aug 30 15:58:57 <Konigsberg7> well i was installing a new vbox so i got disconnected
Aug 30 16:05:18 <stork> fucking android
Aug 30 16:05:32 <stork> how can i theme a dialogfragment (using the compat api)
Aug 30 16:06:57 <pfn> there's a setStyle on the dialogfragment
Aug 30 16:07:24 <stork> got it sat in my onCreate, doesn't seem to be doing anything
Aug 30 16:09:22 <stork> doesn't work on ~api9 at least
Aug 30 16:09:28 <Leeds> hmm... got a report of the market being blocked in China...
Aug 30 16:10:12 <HorizonXP> so are animations just simply not worth it on API 10?
Aug 30 16:10:25 <HorizonXP> hmm... wait
Aug 30 16:10:27 <canadiancow> ??
Aug 30 16:10:31 <HorizonXP> nvm
Aug 30 16:10:33 <HorizonXP> i'm dumb
Aug 30 16:10:43 <HorizonXP> i could just detect API level and animate accordingly
Aug 30 16:11:39 <wongk> Leeds: communism is good for you, embrace it
Aug 30 16:22:50 <HorizonXP> so i'm getting a lot of skipped frames from the Choreographer
Aug 30 16:23:04 <HorizonXP> is there a way to profile my code so I can figure out where I'm being a shitty coder?
Aug 30 16:23:29 <canadiancow> too many people think amazon appstore == kindle fire
Aug 30 16:23:37 <canadiancow> fuck
Aug 30 16:23:45 <canadiancow> HorizonXP: yes
Aug 30 16:23:47 <canadiancow> watch the i/o talks
Aug 30 16:23:54 <wongk> how do people get an online marketplace and a physical devivce confuseD?
Aug 30 16:23:54 <KirinDave> So I am having some real problems getting an AuthenticationService to be called by my AccountManager
Aug 30 16:23:59 <KirinDave> Could someone help me troubleshoot this?
Aug 30 16:24:06 <HorizonXP> canadiancow: 2012?
Aug 30 16:24:09 <canadiancow> yea
Aug 30 16:24:17 <canadiancow> wongk, i mean they think that appstore is only on fire
Aug 30 16:24:18 <canadiancow> or something
Aug 30 16:24:27 <wongk> i buy that
Aug 30 16:24:29 <KirinDave> Cuz it seems like no one understands these authenticator workflows. Even the sample apps are sorta sparse on details.
Aug 30 16:24:29 <canadiancow> like they dont understand the need to test amazon iap on non-kindles
Aug 30 16:24:45 <canadiancow> or the fact that we shouldnt just be testing 7 inch devices now
Aug 30 16:24:46 <KirinDave> I start by saying
Aug 30 16:24:47 <KirinDave> accountManager.getAccountsByType(AuthenticationConstants.ACCOUNT_TYPE);
Aug 30 16:24:51 <KirinDave> And if I find no accounts
Aug 30 16:24:59 <KirinDave> I call accountManager.addAccount
Aug 30 16:25:13 <KirinDave> But I do this and my Authentication service never wakes up or is called
Aug 30 16:25:20 <KirinDave> I've made sure to add an authenticator xml
Aug 30 16:25:46 <wongk> KirinDave: i've never handled the service piece of it, but i've seen a few walkthroughs on the subject
Aug 30 16:25:46 <KirinDave> and made sure that the service is registered, exported, and responds to android.accounts.AccountAuthenticator
Aug 30 16:26:08 <wongk> have you been through those?
Aug 30 16:26:24 <KirinDave> Which ones?
Aug 30 16:26:34 <wongk> id' have to find them again
Aug 30 16:26:35 <KirinDave> The stuff on the android dev site is ludicrously obtuse.
Aug 30 16:26:49 <KirinDave> wongk: Well I dunno if I have been through the ones you saw. In general detail on this subject seems very sparse.
Aug 30 16:26:58 <KirinDave> Even the sample apps in the adk are like 3/4 null methods.
Aug 30 16:27:45 <wongk> here's one: http://www.finalconcept.com.au/article/view/android-account-manager-step-by-step-1
Aug 30 16:29:03 <KirinDave> I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
Aug 30 16:30:50 <KirinDave> I did all that, wongk
Aug 30 16:30:57 <KirinDave> But what's frustrating is that it's very unclear how to actually use that.
Aug 30 16:31:14 <KirinDave> Is it expected that when I call AccountManager.addAccount that nothing happens? Is there any way I can troubleshoot it?
Aug 30 16:31:46 <wongk> well, i would suspect the authenticator service isn't called until you call getAuthToken or whetever
Aug 30 16:31:51 <KirinDave> 08-30 09:30:39.371: D/AccountManagerService(355): bind attempt failed for Session: expectLaunch false, connected false, stats (0/0/0), lifetime 0.0, addAccount, accountType com.virtuoussoftware.apptly, requiredFeatures
Aug 30 16:31:53 <KirinDave> Interesting
Aug 30 16:32:01 <KirinDave> I wonder why that is
Aug 30 16:35:16 <KirinDave> Hummmm
Aug 30 16:47:46 <developernotes> We received this error from ACRA (http://pastie.org/4617403), we have a single custom dimension that is mapped in the xml as @dimens/foo_width.  Is the only solution to inline the value? It hasn't appeared on other devices we've tested on.
Aug 30 16:51:11 <SimonVT> First you'd have to check it's actually your dimension it's trying to read
Aug 30 16:52:00 <developernotes> SimonVT: it error's inflating our custom ListView, so I'm pretty sure it's that.
Aug 30 16:52:32 <developernotes> The custom ListView is what contains the @dimens value.
Aug 30 16:52:43 <KirinDave> Man I am so goddamn confused. Are the docs just wrong?
Aug 30 16:53:05 <KirinDave> So in
Aug 30 16:53:06 <KirinDave> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/accounts/AccountManager.html#addAccount(java.lang.String, java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], android.os.Bundle, android.app.Activity, android.accounts.AccountManagerCallback<android.os.Bundle>, android.os.Handler)
Aug 30 16:53:28 <KirinDave> It implies that I am supposed to launch an Activity?
Aug 30 16:53:47 <KirinDave> But in all the sample code, people return a Bundle returning a KEY_INTENT.
Aug 30 16:53:55 <KirinDave> And doing this doesn't call the KEY_INTENT.
Aug 30 16:54:13 <KirinDave> So I'm supposed to execute the future and get the bundle I sent back and check for a KEY_INTENT?
Aug 30 16:54:27 <KirinDave> But it warns me stridently that I am never, EVER to run that future in the main thread.
Aug 30 16:54:38 <KirinDave> So where DO I run it?
Aug 30 16:54:44 <p_l> in separate thread?
Aug 30 16:54:59 <KirinDave> p_l: But all it can ever do is call startActivityForResult.
Aug 30 16:55:07 <KirinDave> Which is going to go back to the main thread.
Aug 30 16:55:10 <KirinDave> So… why?
Aug 30 16:55:28 <hrnt> KirinDave: so you won't block the main thread while waiting for the future?
Aug 30 16:55:48 <KirinDave> hrnt: But the future for addCount explicitly just constructs an intent?
Aug 30 16:55:53 <p_l> KirinDave: "main" thread is actually "UI thread". Its task is processing events from system
Aug 30 16:55:55 <KirinDave> It should take basically no time.
Aug 30 16:56:12 <KirinDave> And the result of that call is actually async.
Aug 30 16:56:32 <KirinDave> So you don't wait for the service to return (which could take awhile if it crashed and needs to be restarted or something)
Aug 30 16:56:41 <KirinDave> So like I suspect maybe this is a case of doc copypasta?
Aug 30 16:57:27 <KirinDave> I can see why things like getAuthToken are done off-thread.
Aug 30 16:57:29 <p_l> KirinDave: according to the docs the future might involve network connection
Aug 30 16:57:49 <KirinDave> p_l: It's hard to imagine what account adding scheme might do that.
Aug 30 16:57:50 <p_l> so you get the future, then execute it in separate thread (whether AsyncTask or whatever)
Aug 30 16:57:58 <p_l> KirinDave: one that contacts an authenticator)
Aug 30 16:58:04 <KirinDave> yeah
Aug 30 16:58:06 <KirinDave> But
Aug 30 16:58:12 <developernotes> SimonVT: any ideas around the cause of TypeArray..getDimensionPixelSize failing on certain devices?
Aug 30 16:58:33 <KirinDave> p_l: I wonder if this is maybe something you can ignore if you're just going to be calling a KEY_INTENT anyways.
Aug 30 16:59:05 <p_l> KirinDave: note that it can throw IOException - that's a pretty good sign that it does blocking operations on possibly unavailable/slow resources
Aug 30 16:59:31 <KirinDave> p_l: Well, as far as I can tell it does nothing at all except what my service tells it to do.
Aug 30 16:59:32 <p_l> also, note that exact behaviour depends on type of account and thus authenticator
Aug 30 16:59:36 <KirinDave> Yeah
Aug 30 16:59:48 <hrnt> KirinDave: won't it need to launch the Application that hosts the authenticator to create the intent?
Aug 30 16:59:51 <p_l> KirinDave: yeah, but I don't know if it's not blacklisted for strict mode
Aug 30 16:59:59 <KirinDave> hrnt: Not from within the app itself.
Aug 30 17:00:11 <p_l> still, the way the service might be called might be blocking
Aug 30 17:00:23 <p_l> the only correct info is in source on that
Aug 30 17:00:28 <KirinDave> yeah.
Aug 30 17:00:35 <p_l> and you really, really don't want to stop message processing loop
Aug 30 17:00:40 <KirinDave> No I get that
Aug 30 17:00:59 <hrnt> KirinDave: what do you mean?
Aug 30 17:01:19 <hrnt> KirinDave: if the account provider has implemented a AbstractAccountAuthenticator, how can you create one without creating an instance of Application?
Aug 30 17:01:22 <p_l> okay, apparently AccountManagerFuture is explicitly described as blocking interface
Aug 30 17:01:23 <KirinDave> hrnt: Oh, I am within the app going, "Do you know about any accounts for this service? If not, let's make one."
Aug 30 17:01:34 <KirinDave> hrnt: In that I am already within the app calling it.
Aug 30 17:02:01 <KirinDave> p_l: So the account authenticator activites occur within a different context, perhaps?
Aug 30 17:02:04 <hrnt> KirinDave: let's say you are creating a custom client that uses google accounts to authenticate
Aug 30 17:02:05 <KirinDave> p_l: That'd make sense then.
Aug 30 17:02:08 <KirinDave> hrnt: No.
Aug 30 17:02:17 <KirinDave> hrnt: Iet's say I'm doing what I am doing.
Aug 30 17:02:29 <hrnt> KirinDave: let's not, because the same API has to work for the worst case scenario as well
Aug 30 17:02:47 <hrnt> which is when the account authenticator is implemented by a separate party
Aug 30 17:03:12 <KirinDave> hrnt: But the whole point of addAccount is to return a KEY_INTENT in most every scenario.
Aug 30 17:03:37 <hrnt> KirinDave: ok, and to get that KEY_INTENT you need to launch the Application that provides the Authenticator for that account type
Aug 30 17:03:39 <KirinDave> I can sort of see though why people don't use this interface.
Aug 30 17:03:56 <KirinDave> hrnt: So what about the case where you are in the application trying to use your authentication service?
Aug 30 17:04:12 <hrnt> KirinDave: well, obviously you would get the KEY_INTENT back very fast
Aug 30 17:04:13 <KirinDave> hrnt: Should I just NOT use the AccountManager in this case?
Aug 30 17:04:27 <KirinDave> Right.
Aug 30 17:04:42 <KirinDave> In fact i wouldn't be exporting this service if the interface didn't force me to.
Aug 30 17:04:52 <KirinDave> I have 0 expectations of anyone outside of my app calling it.
Aug 30 17:04:59 <hrnt> the android is built on the idea that you can link basically anything together
Aug 30 17:05:05 <hrnt> one app can call an Activity of another app
Aug 30 17:05:16 <hrnt> you can access the data of other apps (with ContentResolver) and stuff like that
Aug 30 17:05:23 <KirinDave> Well that's fine.
Aug 30 17:05:26 <hrnt> so the idea that you can use accounts provided by other apps fits
Aug 30 17:05:30 <KirinDave> But I suspect I should maybe try unexporting my authentication service
Aug 30 17:05:36 <KirinDave> Since it only makes sense to use within the context of my applicaiton
Aug 30 17:05:43 <KirinDave> App.net is not a third party identity provider at this time.
Aug 30 17:05:52 <hrnt> well, you don't need to use accountmanager in that case
Aug 30 17:05:56 <KirinDave> I do
Aug 30 17:05:59 <KirinDave> For syncadapters
Aug 30 17:06:04 <hrnt> well, there you go
Aug 30 17:06:04 <hrnt> :)
Aug 30 17:06:11 <KirinDave> Right
Aug 30 17:06:15 <KirinDave> But if all that is internal to my app
Aug 30 17:06:18 <KirinDave> then I don't need to export it, right?
Aug 30 17:06:29 <KirinDave> I just export my content resolvers for other apps and say, "Let me worry about auth, you guys."
Aug 30 17:07:23 <hrnt> by exporting, do you mean declaring it in the manifest?
Aug 30 17:07:57 <KirinDave> "android:exported="true""
Aug 30 17:08:00 <KirinDave> In the manifest
Aug 30 17:08:04 <KirinDave> Every service has to be in the manifest either way
Aug 30 17:08:10 <KirinDave> Just if you expose it to third parties.
Aug 30 17:09:06 <hrnt> exported=true is default if you have intent filters
Aug 30 17:09:28 <hrnt> and note that android itself uses your authenticator if you go to settings/accounts and sync
Aug 30 17:09:42 <KirinDave> Yeah.
Aug 30 17:09:51 <KirinDave> Well I will let other services worry about async calls.
Aug 30 17:09:59 <KirinDave> I don't need to.
Aug 30 17:10:01 <KirinDave> Internally
Aug 30 17:10:07 <hrnt> are you sure?
Aug 30 17:10:17 <hrnt> you mean you would touch the future in the UI thread?
Aug 30 17:10:21 <KirinDave> Yes.
Aug 30 17:10:24 <KirinDave> I sort of have to.
Aug 30 17:10:27 <hrnt> ok, it might work
Aug 30 17:10:30 <KirinDave> There is literally no path forward for the app.
Aug 30 17:10:34 <KirinDave> Well I am about to find out
Aug 30 17:10:36 <hrnt> ...or android might throw an exception "no touching futures in the UI thread!"
Aug 30 17:10:39 <KirinDave> And my patience for java is limited.
Aug 30 17:10:55 <hrnt> NetworkOnMainThreadException style :)
Aug 30 17:10:57 <KirinDave> Really do hope rhickey gets a performant version of clojure.
Aug 30 17:11:05 <KirinDave> hrnt: Well for this the code is just next door.
Aug 30 17:11:36 <KirinDave> I'm already in anonymous class instances up to my next.
Aug 30 17:11:38 <KirinDave> err, neck
Aug 30 17:21:36 <KirinDave> Hmm
Aug 30 17:21:41 <KirinDave> I can see now how you might use fragments without UI.
Aug 30 17:21:48 <KirinDave> This authentication flow is perfect for an invisible fragment.
Aug 30 17:22:03 <KirinDave> That way you can get the current auth token if it's stored from any entry point.
Aug 30 17:22:29 <Hodapp> ugh, why is Eclipse destroying this SurfaceView object every single time I edit any of its properties in the Graphical Layout editor?
Aug 30 17:23:05 <Hodapp> can edit the XML just fine
Aug 30 17:24:40 <KirinDave> Hodapp: Because the eclipse tools are kinda janky?
Aug 30 17:26:32 <Hodapp> bleah
Aug 30 17:26:54 <Hodapp> I just want to touch the GUI without it exploding into shrapnel :(
Aug 30 17:30:53 <SoulEdge> I have to slide a image in drawable in a imageview in loop. How can i do? some suggestion?
Aug 30 17:31:32 <SoulEdge> In loop means without interruption...when the image ends, starts from the beginning
Aug 30 17:34:11 <chinmaya> Hi friends, Is there a way to replicate the animation in a tablelayout similar to iphone UItableviewRowAnimation ? Any sample code or pointers will be helpful
Aug 30 17:53:00 <SoulEdge> can someone suggest me how can i do please?
Aug 30 17:56:42 <KirinDave> Ugh, weird.
Aug 30 17:56:53 <KirinDave> Once again, Stack Overflow lies.
Aug 30 17:58:08 <KirinDave> How does one catch and enable 302 redirects in a webview in 4.*?
Aug 30 17:58:29 <wongk> that should happen automatically
Aug 30 17:58:58 <KirinDave> Well it's saying 'may have moved permanently'
Aug 30 17:59:03 <KirinDave> It seems like it used to work
Aug 30 17:59:03 <KirinDave> b
Aug 30 17:59:07 <KirinDave> but now is failing
Aug 30 17:59:12 <KirinDave> And I dunno what I did wrong...
Aug 30 17:59:29 <wongk> heh
Aug 30 17:59:50 <KirinDave> It seems like all I changed in this code was getting the cookie sync manager.
Aug 30 18:00:15 <KirinDave> It says 'may be down or may have moved permanently to a new address'
Aug 30 18:00:22 <KirinDave> And when I curl the url
Aug 30 18:00:28 <KirinDave> it shows me a 302.
Aug 30 18:00:37 <KirinDave> Not sure how to pursue debugging.
Aug 30 18:00:51 <KirinDave> shouldOverrideUrlLoading in web client is never called tho.
Aug 30 18:00:53 <KirinDave> Which is irritating
Aug 30 18:05:26 <KirinDave> Wow is this an actual bug?
Aug 30 18:05:33 <KirinDave> I can see it try to load my page twice
Aug 30 18:05:38 <KirinDave> Like it is trying to follow the redirect
Aug 30 18:05:42 <KirinDave> but it uses my original loadUrl url
Aug 30 18:05:58 <KirinDave> I can even reproduce it with google.com
Aug 30 18:06:07 <KirinDave> It says google.com is unavailable because it's trying to redirect to www.
Aug 30 18:10:32 <Pragma> I'm trying to use android.hardware.usb.* to communicate with an USB note taker (kind of mouse/tablet). When I connect the device I see that the kernel can see it and logcat spits some messages about a "mouse" and a "/dev/input". However UsbManager always reports an empty device list. Any clue?
Aug 30 18:14:10 <KirinDave> Man…. I have somehow really broken WebView.
Aug 30 18:14:15 <KirinDave> And all the stackoverflows are wrong.
Aug 30 18:33:15 <birbeck> jelly bean is old news, when is key lime pie coming out :)
Aug 30 18:34:14 <canadiancow> that name has been a rumour since before a name was decided
Aug 30 18:34:20 <canadiancow> not that im saying a name has been decided yet
Aug 30 18:34:52 <birbeck> whatever it is called
Aug 30 18:35:11 <birbeck> i want some 5.0 with your new apps
Aug 30 18:35:20 <canadiancow> my new apps?
Aug 30 18:35:25 <canadiancow> anyway if it follows previous years
Aug 30 18:35:29 <canadiancow> we'll get a holiday launch of a device
Aug 30 18:35:33 <canadiancow> with a new version of android
Aug 30 18:35:53 <birbeck> unless they slow releases like rubin said
Aug 30 18:36:40 <canadiancow> they already slowed them
Aug 30 18:36:47 <canadiancow> cupcake donut eclair were all 2009
Aug 30 18:36:57 <canadiancow> since then it's been two a year
Aug 30 18:37:16 <canadiancow> but if you look at the ICS/JB, we got a major bump 3->4
Aug 30 18:37:20 <canadiancow> and a minor 4.0->4.1
Aug 30 18:37:27 <canadiancow> JB didnt add much new stuff
Aug 30 18:37:31 <canadiancow> compared to past releases
Aug 30 18:37:31 <wongk> man, ill be happy to get rid of GB
Aug 30 18:37:35 <canadiancow> (not that it wasnt an awesome release)
Aug 30 18:38:41 <birbeck> ive decided to use my g1 on its anniversary every year
Aug 30 18:38:55 <birbeck> still rockin donut
Aug 30 18:38:56 <wongk> stentimental are we? :P
Aug 30 18:39:13 <birbeck> i used it last week, its not bad
Aug 30 18:39:44 <birbeck> no nfc, but besides that it is still a useful device
Aug 30 18:39:48 <wongk> if by not bad, you mean "like punching yourself in the face"
Aug 30 18:41:08 <birbeck> by not bad i mean i could use it on a regular basis, it does almost everything a gnexus with jelly bean does, albeit much slower
Aug 30 18:41:25 <wongk> and smaller
Aug 30 18:41:51 <birbeck> iphone users get by with small screens
Aug 30 18:42:00 <birbeck> they swear by them
Aug 30 18:42:20 <wongk> i'm not an iphone user :P
Aug 30 18:42:31 <snooplsm> wish my ex girlfriend could have gotten by with a "small screen"
Aug 30 18:42:34 <birbeck> and they arent the brighest of the bunch
Aug 30 18:43:11 <birbeck> wongk: the gnexus has a small screen compared to a note
Aug 30 18:43:20 <birbeck> speaking of which, i need to get my note back
Aug 30 18:43:28 <wongk> i don't consider the note a phone
Aug 30 18:43:35 <wongk> it's a phablet ;)
Aug 30 18:44:30 <birbeck> i was actually asked if it was the new ipad mini
Aug 30 18:44:35 <birbeck> i wanted to smack them
Aug 30 18:44:40 <marcab> note = best phone I've ever owned.
Aug 30 18:45:52 <birbeck> i have to give that title to the one x
Aug 30 18:50:24 <calvinchan> has anyone had any problem with list view where the background image gets copied for every row?
Aug 30 18:51:15 <calvinchan> the background image in that layout gets copied into each row in the listview
Aug 30 18:52:29 <SimonVT> Nope, no issues with that
Aug 30 18:52:42 <romainguy_> what background image?
Aug 30 18:52:48 <romainguy_> the background image of a list item?
Aug 30 18:53:20 <agzzz> greetings
Aug 30 18:55:16 <calvinchan> romainguy: the background image of my layout
Aug 30 18:55:19 <calvinchan> the activity
Aug 30 18:55:23 <agzzz> I'm quite green in android programming, was hoping someone could give me a hand with the architecture of a project
Aug 30 18:55:49 <SimonVT> How did you set the background of your activity?
Aug 30 18:55:52 <calvinchan> it gets copied into each row of my list view as the row's background image, so it's making my rows very tall
Aug 30 18:56:07 <calvinchan> I set it in the relativelayout
Aug 30 18:56:25 <SimonVT> Srsly, pastebin some code
Aug 30 18:56:36 <calvinchan> one sec
Aug 30 18:59:26 <calvinchan> SimonVT: http://pastebin.com/YErx3tiC
Aug 30 19:00:25 <calvinchan> The list view worked fine at first when I set it to be full screen without background image
Aug 30 19:00:29 <birbeck> paddingRight="690dp"???
Aug 30 19:01:02 <calvinchan> birbeck: now I wanna add a background image, and also I don't want it to take up full screen, so I set paddings to compress it
Aug 30 19:01:35 <calvinchan> so I set up a relative layout to enclose the textview and listview
Aug 30 19:01:39 <calvinchan> with a background image
Aug 30 19:01:51 <birbeck> so this is not a phone layout?
Aug 30 19:02:13 <birbeck> also, padding is inside the element and you have fill_parent for the width
Aug 30 19:02:29 <birbeck> anyhow, that shouldnt affect your background
Aug 30 19:02:35 <calvinchan> yes
Aug 30 19:02:56 <calvinchan> each row is supposed to be just one line of plain text
Aug 30 19:03:13 <calvinchan> now it contains the text AND the background image, which makes every row very tall
Aug 30 19:03:29 <birbeck> are you using a custom adapter or view for your list items?
Aug 30 19:03:40 <calvinchan> no
Aug 30 19:03:42 <dzan> someone knows the 'rules' of how images are handles in the layout? for example: I set the src of an imagebutton and then a hardcoded height & width ( dp ) and it's scaled but also cut off , why is it cut off
Aug 30 19:03:49 <calvinchan> just extends ListActivity
Aug 30 19:03:59 <calvinchan> birbeck: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4830351/android-listview-background-image-shows-on-each-row-why
Aug 30 19:04:26 <calvinchan> that question is exactly same as mine. I tried the proposed solution but doesn't work
Aug 30 19:05:06 <birbeck> you are not doing setBackgroundResource() are you?
Aug 30 19:05:10 <SimonVT> The question is the same, but still no information.. The layout you pasted before shouldn
Aug 30 19:05:18 <SimonVT> t cause the background to show up on each list item
Aug 30 19:05:26 <SimonVT> So you're doing something wrong somewhere else
Aug 30 19:05:29 <dzan> birbeck, you meant me?
Aug 30 19:05:30 <calvinchan> SimonVT: yes…. I know
Aug 30 19:05:34 <birbeck> but there is no usable information there to answer the question... need to see the list adapter and the list item view
Aug 30 19:05:51 <calvinchan> one sec, paste bin the java here
Aug 30 19:05:56 <birbeck> dzan: sorry, was talking to calvinchan
Aug 30 19:05:57 <SimonVT> Where else are you using actBackground
Aug 30 19:07:40 <birbeck> dzan: scaling of image buttons can be a bit tricky, you need to make sure that the image fits within the buttons implicit padding
Aug 30 19:08:02 <birbeck> dzan: you might want to try a <Button> with drawableTop/Bottom/Left/Right
Aug 30 19:08:28 <RobinB> hi guys
Aug 30 19:08:31 <calvinchan> SimonVT: birbeck: http://pastebin.com/yzsKrBXV
Aug 30 19:08:34 <SimonVT> Look up android:scaleType
Aug 30 19:08:55 <HorizonXP> how do I trigger an event when the user scrolls to the bottom of a ScrollView?
Aug 30 19:09:00 <HorizonXP> need to load more items
Aug 30 19:09:07 <dzan> birbeck, oh ok, so there is no good other way then just having enough margin in the image itself?
Aug 30 19:09:14 <birbeck> calvinchan: need to see R.layout.listview
Aug 30 19:09:16 <dzan> ( unless using a button instead of an imagebutton
Aug 30 19:09:53 <birbeck> dzan: proper sizing of the assets would help
Aug 30 19:09:55 <canvs2321> horizonxp: just check the last visible item against size of list possibly?
Aug 30 19:10:21 <birbeck> dzan: you can always set the button paddings also
Aug 30 19:10:24 <calvinchan> birbeck: http://pastebin.com/YErx3tiC
Aug 30 19:10:42 <SimonVT> -.-
Aug 30 19:10:46 <birbeck> calvinchan: if you are using that listview for each item, there is your problem :)
Aug 30 19:10:47 <calvinchan> forgot to copy the close tag for relative layout… but everything is there
Aug 30 19:11:04 <calvinchan> birbeck: huh? what you mean by that?
Aug 30 19:11:23 <birbeck> you are using that full layout for EACH ITEM, not for the whole list
Aug 30 19:11:24 <SimonVT> new ArrayAdapter<String>(this, R.layout.listview,R.id.textviewint,myArray)
Aug 30 19:11:36 <SimonVT> context, row layout resource, textview id, items
Aug 30 19:12:05 <SimonVT> Not context, activity layout resource, textview id, items
Aug 30 19:12:09 <HorizonXP> canvs2321: yes, but what do i override?
Aug 30 19:12:11 <calvinchan> how should I change it so that it fits?
Aug 30 19:12:11 <platzhirsch> Is it uncommon to use Maven for Android development? For instance some extra Google libraries I can't find in any repository
Aug 30 19:12:12 <birbeck> calvinchan: you need one layout for the activity and one layout for each item
Aug 30 19:12:14 <mikemike> I'm trying to read my NFC tag.  I know the tag has a payload, but getIntent() is always returning null.  Any ideas? http://pastie.org/private/ilhzgj8uwf8mbeefoy2na
Aug 30 19:12:20 <HorizonXP> maybe a better question is, is there an Android equivalent to this? https://github.com/1000Memories/TMQuiltView
Aug 30 19:13:02 <calvinchan> birbeck: so does it mean I need a list view.xml and an activity.xml?
Aug 30 19:13:52 <SimonVT> I think you need to google how arrayadapter works
Aug 30 19:14:03 <SimonVT> Or maybe even watch the listview talk from google io
Aug 30 19:14:26 <calvinchan> umm…..ICIC
Aug 30 19:14:35 <birbeck> calvinchan: yes, or replace r.layout.listview in your code with android.R.layout.simple_list_item_1
Aug 30 19:15:13 <calvinchan> birbeck: SimonVT: context, row layout resource, textview id, items
Aug 30 19:15:40 <calvinchan> row layout resource refers to the stuff inside <listview> tag?
Aug 30 19:15:58 <Bink> first time looking at the AOSP and I want to look at the source for Google Now. where is this in the tree?  thanks.
Aug 30 19:15:58 <birbeck> yes. that layout is applied to each item
Aug 30 19:16:12 <SimonVT> It refers to which layout to use for each row
Aug 30 19:16:25 <calvinchan> OIC
Aug 30 19:16:36 <SimonVT> Bink: I doubt it's there
Aug 30 19:17:00 <birbeck> calvinchan: so you are putting a background image, and a whole other list in each item
Aug 30 19:17:03 <SimonVT> It got google in the same.. That's usually not part of AOSP
Aug 30 19:17:08 <SimonVT> s/same/name/
Aug 30 19:17:20 <calvinchan> SimonVT: birbeck: so here I am setting the WHOLE layout to be my row layout
Aug 30 19:17:27 <Bink> SimonVT: ah. I thought it might be there.
Aug 30 19:17:27 <SimonVT> Yes
Aug 30 19:17:46 <calvinchan> so I just need to separate the list view from my existing xml
Aug 30 19:17:49 <calvinchan> right?
Aug 30 19:17:52 <SimonVT> No
Aug 30 19:18:11 <SimonVT> You need to supply a layout resource to use for each row in the listview
Aug 30 19:18:38 <birbeck> calvinchan: check out http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/layout/listview.html
Aug 30 19:19:10 <SimonVT> There are lots of samples in the sdk on how to use listview
Aug 30 19:19:14 <SimonVT> Look in API Demos
Aug 30 19:19:40 <g00s> that quiltview is pretty cool
Aug 30 19:19:42 <birbeck> calvinchan: actually, that link sucks, check out http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/ListActivity.html
Aug 30 19:20:07 <calvinchan> OIC, thanks!
Aug 30 19:24:04 <Wavesonics> does anyone know how to fix the "Failed to allocate memory: 8. This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way." error when trying to start AVD's of larger screen sizes?
Aug 30 19:25:57 <canvs2321> wavesonics: google brought me here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7222906/failed-to-allocate-memory-8
Aug 30 19:26:09 <canvs2321> u use netbeans?
Aug 30 19:26:51 <Wavesonics> ya, been there :/
Aug 30 19:28:26 <canvs2321> there seems to be a lot of solutions on that page, have you tried em all
Aug 30 19:29:21 <mikemike> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12204036/android-nfc-tag-read-intent-always-null
Aug 30 19:30:43 <Wavesonics> I want intel to release more x86 images, those are blazing fast if u enable all the hardware virtualization stuff
Aug 30 19:31:17 <saik0> Wavesonics: you can always build your own and share them with the rest of us ;)
Aug 30 19:32:08 <Wavesonics> hehe
Aug 30 19:32:33 <Wavesonics> would b sweet if they started providing more AVD images for flagship devices
Aug 30 19:32:45 <Wavesonics> a Nexus7 image, a Galaxy Nexys image, ect
Aug 30 19:33:29 <birbeck> calvinchan: please dont pm without permission
Aug 30 19:33:45 <calvinchan> sorry
Aug 30 19:34:00 <birbeck> the reason its crashing is because of your to/from arrays, you need to specify the correct ids of the new view in myArray
Aug 30 19:34:24 <birbeck> that would be android.r.id.text1
Aug 30 19:34:57 <birbeck> that link explains it, as do many other resources on the web. i have to take off now, sorry i cant help any further
Aug 30 19:35:08 <calvinchan> tahnks anyway
Aug 30 19:36:59 <HorizonXP> fudge
Aug 30 19:37:10 <HorizonXP> so I overrode ScrollView to listen when it reaches the bottom
Aug 30 19:37:22 <HorizonXP> that works, except it fires events multiple times when the bottom is reached
Aug 30 19:37:29 <HorizonXP> i just need it to fire once :-/
Aug 30 19:38:47 <canadiancow> i wonder if the new kindle fire will be on jellybean
Aug 30 19:39:56 <g00s> i couldn't tell from the screenshot
Aug 30 19:40:39 <romainguy_> HorizonXP: just ignore the extra events
Aug 30 19:42:55 <HorizonXP> romainguy_: yeah, i just threw a isLoadingPage boolean to distinguish the events
Aug 30 19:43:07 <HorizonXP> romainguy_: watching your i/o talk about butter now actually
Aug 30 19:43:14 <HorizonXP> romainguy_: because my UI is far from butter right now :P
Aug 30 19:52:32 <platzhirsch> How does one normally store a API key within an Android apk?
Aug 30 19:54:29 <kzx> i went through google's build instruction trying to build an image for nexus 7 http://source.android.com/source/building-devices.html
Aug 30 19:54:41 <kzx> build finished now it says to run : fastboot -w flashall
Aug 30 19:55:19 <kzx> where is that supposed to be run? i have a custom output build directory, is it in the top level that?
Aug 30 19:55:22 <canadiancow> this is an app development channel
Aug 30 19:58:21 <HorizonXP> romainguy_: on your blog, i found an entry about ScrollView's fillViewPort attribute
Aug 30 19:58:43 <HorizonXP> i have this set to true, yet my bar at the bottom is covering it
Aug 30 19:59:23 <HorizonXP> i.e. i have a RelativeLayout (50dp high) at the top, a ScrollView filling the space, and then another RelativeLayout (50dp high) at the bottom
Aug 30 20:00:14 <canadiancow> you could put a scrollview in the scrollview
Aug 30 20:00:56 <jug6-note> Blasphemy
Aug 30 20:01:36 <canadiancow> holy shit
Aug 30 20:01:44 <canadiancow> an android zynga game came out
Aug 30 20:01:52 <canadiancow> and news sites picked it up before i found out :(
Aug 30 20:02:04 <jug6-note> Lol wow
Aug 30 20:02:59 <canadiancow> i knew it was coming...i could see it in our dev console, but i was under the impression it was...going to be a little delayed
Aug 30 20:03:08 <freedomcaller> what is the correct way of getting a camera perview to be scaled properly?
Aug 30 20:03:36 <jug6-note> Canadiancow which game
Aug 30 20:03:47 <canadiancow> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Phosphor.Horn.Paid
Aug 30 20:03:48 <canadiancow> holy balls
Aug 30 20:03:50 <canadiancow> android 3.2 and up
Aug 30 20:03:57 <canadiancow> i guess i knew that too
Aug 30 20:04:45 <jug6-note> Lol
Aug 30 20:04:49 <canadiancow> and i cant use my google play balance for it
Aug 30 20:04:49 <canadiancow> wtf
Aug 30 20:05:00 <jug6-note> Lol y
Aug 30 20:05:08 <freedomcaller> i hate it when i cant purchase from myself on google play >.<
Aug 30 20:05:27 <canadiancow> oh are you shitting me
Aug 30 20:05:30 <canadiancow> my google play balance is in CAD
Aug 30 20:05:33 <canadiancow> and this app doesnt have a CAD price
Aug 30 20:06:04 <jug6-note> xD
Aug 30 20:06:09 <jug6-note> Wow
Aug 30 20:06:33 <canadiancow> no there is a CAD price
Aug 30 20:06:34 <canadiancow> wtf
Aug 30 20:06:49 <jug6-note> I'm not sure what to say about that...
Aug 30 20:06:53 <canadiancow> on the play store page it gives me a CAD price
Aug 30 20:06:58 <canadiancow> but hwen i click buy it gives me a USD price
Aug 30 20:07:02 <canadiancow> and wont let me use my CAD payment methods
Aug 30 20:07:21 <canadiancow> also not compatible with galaxy nexus :\
Aug 30 20:07:41 <jug6-note> :(
Aug 30 20:08:36 <jug6-note> I wish it said y they are not compatible
Aug 30 20:08:46 <canadiancow> im looking at the apk in the dev console and i cnat figure it out
Aug 30 20:09:02 <canadiancow> hmm i can use my google play balance if i buy through m ydevice
Aug 30 20:09:52 <canadiancow> ive never downloaded such a big app before
Aug 30 20:09:54 <canadiancow> 1.81GB
Aug 30 20:10:11 <jug6-note> Crazy
Aug 30 20:10:22 <jug6-note> Poor n1
Aug 30 20:12:44 <g00s> romainguy: photographer assistants :) http://i.imgur.com/0Rbol.jpg
Aug 30 20:19:45 <lov> g00s: ADORABLE :3
Aug 30 20:26:47 <farkerhaiku> silly question that I'm hoping someone has encountered: is the 1 (trunk code) required before 10 digit phone numbers on mobile devices?
Aug 30 20:28:31 <HorizonXP> i have a EditText in my layout that's stealing focus such that a) the soft keyboard comes up b) the caret is there
Aug 30 20:28:46 <HorizonXP> i know I can solve a by putting an attribute in the Manifest
Aug 30 20:28:55 <HorizonXP> but how do I stop the cart being there by default?
Aug 30 20:29:11 <Hodapp> Wow, it's incredibly annoying when async callback - like onAutoFocus - just seemingly aren't ever called in the case where I need them to be
Aug 30 20:29:24 <marcab> HorizonXP: I believe you can edit that in the xml
Aug 30 20:29:32 <marcab> there's like, getfocus or something
Aug 30 20:29:53 <marcab> HorizonXP: "requestFocus" -- is that in there?
Aug 30 20:30:33 <Hodapp> I'm trying to focus the camera prior to taking a picture, but it seems that it fails to focus if I issue the request to focus and then take the picture
Aug 30 20:30:42 <HorizonXP> marcab: no, requestFocus is not in the EditText, I put it inside another LinearLayout in hopes of moving focus there.
Aug 30 20:31:26 <HorizonXP> marcab: basically, i don't want the caret or focus to be on the EditText until the user clicks it
Aug 30 20:33:59 <HorizonXP> marcab: android:cursorVisible="false" kinda does what I want, but then it turns off the cursor for when the user actually does click the EditText
Aug 30 20:37:33 <Hodapp> I'm between startPreview and stopPreview, and the callback works elsewhere... but for some ass-backwards reason, when I call it in this single case, it never calls the callback after I do Camera.autofocus(this)
Aug 30 20:37:50 <calvinchan> Hi, does anyone know how I can edit android.R.id.text1?
Aug 30 20:37:53 <Hodapp> and nothing in the log would seem to indicate why
Aug 30 20:40:14 <farkerhaiku> calvinchan: You edit it in the layout that defines text1.  In an xml layout you likely have @+id/text1 somewhere.  change that, and the R file will modify I believe
Aug 30 20:40:47 <calvinchan> farkerhaiku: but should I not modify the R file?
Aug 30 20:41:26 <p_l> calvinchan: no. R file is autogenerated from application resources
Aug 30 20:41:37 <calvinchan> oic
Aug 30 20:42:30 <calvinchan> I call android.R.id.text1
Aug 30 20:42:33 <calvinchan> for my listview
Aug 30 20:42:46 <calvinchan> so I don't have that in my layout for my activity
Aug 30 20:43:13 <farkerhaiku> What I would do, is in eclipse, do a search for the string "@+id/text1"
Aug 30 20:43:34 <Hodapp> Anyone have any sort of suggestion for how to diagnose why Camera.autofocus(this) is in certain cases just completely failing to call the callback?
Aug 30 20:44:43 <lov> oems.
Aug 30 20:45:34 <jcromartie> I mistyped and accidentally ended up in #android-de
Aug 30 20:45:44 <Hodapp> lov: wha?
Aug 30 20:45:47 <jcromartie> there was some confusion
Aug 30 20:46:04 <lov> Hodapp: usually, any sort of problem with the camera is because an OEM "improved" some code :P
Aug 30 20:46:09 <lov> it's just a guess, though.
Aug 30 20:46:42 <Hodapp> lov: well, it's working fine in one code path of mine and not in another, but in the latter case it's near-identical to the former in terms of flow
Aug 30 20:46:55 <lov> near!
Aug 30 20:47:23 <Hodapp> In the former case an onClick callback calls autofocus() directly. In the latter case an onClick callback calls takePicture() which calls autofocus() before anything else
Aug 30 20:48:04 <Hodapp> if I put seemingly anything *after* that second autofocus(), even Thread.sleep(10000), the callback is never called.
Aug 30 20:48:28 <lov> Hmm!
Aug 30 20:48:41 <lov> If I might make a suggestion, any code that you do after that autofocus() you should do in a new thread.
Aug 30 20:49:04 <Hodapp> what I need to do after it still has to wait for it to finish though, because after it is when I take the picture.
Aug 30 20:49:57 <jcromartie> can I really not make an update to the app if I lose the keystore?
Aug 30 20:50:02 * lov shrugs
Aug 30 20:50:07 <lov> jcromartie: correct!
Aug 30 20:50:09 <jcromartie> for iOS I can create a new cert
Aug 30 20:50:11 <jcromartie> and have
Aug 30 20:50:12 <Hodapp> gah, lame.
Aug 30 20:50:20 <lov> Your app is cryptographically signed. The device will reject any updates that aren't signed with the same key.
Aug 30 20:50:42 <jcromartie> :|
Aug 30 20:50:46 <lov> this isn't iOS :P
Aug 30 20:50:59 <lov> This is why the documentation says in the largest letters it can "DO NOT LOSE YOUR KEY OH GOD DON'T LOSE IT"
Aug 30 20:51:18 <jcromartie> yeah
Aug 30 20:51:46 <lov> If you're using it to publish apps to market, you should have it backed up offsite somewhere, preferably someplace that you can't easily kill it.
Aug 30 20:51:58 <jcromartie> nvm, I have it :P
Aug 30 20:52:07 <jcromartie> we are replacing someone's old ap
Aug 30 20:52:08 <jcromartie> app
Aug 30 20:52:12 <jcromartie> developed a brand new one
Aug 30 20:52:13 <lov> Now make a backup!
Aug 30 20:52:13 <SimonVT> Sometime before 2030 you'll be able to change it
Aug 30 20:52:19 <lov> hahah true
Aug 30 20:52:20 <jcromartie> it's backed up :)
Aug 30 20:52:42 <jcromartie> OK now here's another thing I failed to take into account
Aug 30 20:52:47 <jcromartie> the old app had one package
Aug 30 20:52:51 <jcromartie> the new one uses another
Aug 30 20:52:55 <jcromartie> and I mean the actual Java package
Aug 30 20:53:13 <jcromartie> do I just have to change the <manifest package="...">
Aug 30 20:53:21 <jcromartie> or do I really have to change the Java package
Aug 30 20:53:25 <SimonVT> Can't change manifest package for published apps
Aug 30 20:53:34 <SimonVT> Java package doesn't matter
Aug 30 20:53:45 <lov> Yeah, the manifest must match; that's what's used as the unique key for the app
Aug 30 20:53:53 <lov> package in the manifest that is
Aug 30 20:54:03 <lov> Bear in mind that changing the package in the manifest involves changing what the R file autogenerates to
Aug 30 20:54:14 <lov> as well as what all of the short .ActivityName notation resolves to
Aug 30 20:54:15 <lov> etc
Aug 30 20:54:20 <lov> so you might have a bit of refactoring to do
Aug 30 20:55:30 <jcromartie> so I might as well change everything
Aug 30 20:58:32 <jcromartie> yay for refactoring IDE
Aug 30 21:00:26 <Asmooh> zowwww... thuis van werken \o/
Aug 30 21:01:05 <g00s> nice article on (no) UI http://www.cooper.com/journal/2012/08/the-best-interface-is-no-interface.html/
Aug 30 21:01:45 <jcromartie> indeed
Aug 30 21:07:54 <vorsorken> I'm trying to stream mjpeg video from an IP camera. I've had it working for ages now and all is well on my phone (an old HTC Aria), but I tried running it on a fairly nice tablet (Acer Iconia A200) and the delay grows the longer you sit there streaming the video. I know it's not network delay. I don't know if the GC isn't cleaning up fast enough or what. Any tips for managing resources when streaming video?
Aug 30 21:08:30 <vorsorken> I'm not doing anything with NDK yet but I'd be willing to give it a shot if it'll speed things up.
Aug 30 21:09:00 <p_l> vorsorken: how you're displaying the video on your side?
Aug 30 21:09:40 <vorsorken> I've extended SurfaceView and I'm creating a Rect and drawing a Bitmap on it
Aug 30 21:10:32 <p_l> vorsorken: hmm... try to explicitly sync the frames on your side (i.e. drop frames if delta>frame_time etc.)
Aug 30 21:11:29 <vorsorken> p_l: that sounds reasonable I hadn't thought of that
Aug 30 21:12:25 <p_l> also, use the tools (heap profiler etc.) and check logcat for GC messages
Aug 30 21:15:26 <vorsorken> p_l: logcat piles up with GC_CONCURRENT freed... messages. I can't really decipher any difference when I run it on my phone though and like I said it runs fine on that
Aug 30 21:17:52 <p_l> vorsorken: GC_CONCURRENT isn't too bad. heap profiler needed, then
Aug 30 21:24:11 <robtow> Anyone here have experience with attaching a USB camera /webcam to an Android device (i.e., Pandaboard, UVM, etc.) and catpuring image data from Android?
Aug 30 21:26:23 <jcromartie> does it make sense to keep the keystore in version control?
Aug 30 21:26:30 <jcromartie> or is that too open
Aug 30 21:26:34 <jcromartie> never mind, that's retarded
Aug 30 21:29:19 <grothendieck> lol
Aug 30 21:29:29 <grothendieck> well at least I didn't have to say it
Aug 30 21:30:06 <grothendieck> you should generate a GPG key pair, encrypt your android private key with your GPG key and store it on a USB drive and/or CD
Aug 30 21:30:17 <grothendieck> keep them in a safe place
Aug 30 21:31:10 <grothendieck> if the GPG stuff is too much then you can just store the raw android private key
Aug 30 21:31:15 <grothendieck> but that's less secure
Aug 30 21:31:35 <jcromartie> geez, I found the keystore but the client doesn't know the password
Aug 30 21:32:08 <grothendieck> try "password"
Aug 30 21:32:20 <grothendieck> or "hunter2"
Aug 30 21:32:24 <grothendieck> ;p
Aug 30 21:39:39 <fBirD> !wois
Aug 30 21:40:58 <equex> i am trying to mod the example project 'notepad'. i added some strings to stings.xml and to list_options_menu. that messed up the project and disrupted R.java. can i properly regenerate this, or is there another more proper way to add strings? i am trying to add a second option in with the 'add note' option.
Aug 30 21:42:31 <equex> cleaning the project did not help, neither did removing the stings i added
Aug 30 21:43:50 <equex> i get errors like Bad XML block: header size 88 or total size 0 is larger than data size 0 and NotePad\res\values\strings.xml:1: error: Error parsing XML: not well-formed (invalid token)
Aug 30 21:52:18 <vorsorken> p_l: Sorry, got caught up talking to my advisor. If you're still willing to help, what should I be looking for with the heap profiler? I'm obviously swinging above my weight class here.
Aug 30 21:57:13 <fBirD> hi, i'm trying create one app divide by modules anyone knows best way to do that?
Aug 30 21:58:28 <p_l> vorsorken: not sure. But it could show you details about excessive GC etc.
Aug 30 22:00:02 <vorsorken> p_l: alright, thanks
Aug 30 22:01:04 <fBirD> can anyone help me ? :S
Aug 30 22:04:06 <jcromartie> fBirD: what is this, homework?
Aug 30 22:04:13 <jcromartie> "one app divide by modules"
Aug 30 22:04:15 <jcromartie> what does that mean
Aug 30 22:04:45 <fBirD> i'm trying something like this
Aug 30 22:04:46 <fBirD> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6673420/developing-android-application-in-seperate-working-modules
Aug 30 22:05:02 <jcromartie> so yeah, client had us develop new app… we have the .keystore but they don't seem to have the password
Aug 30 22:05:04 <jcromartie> what can I do
Aug 30 22:05:09 <jcromartie> besides get the password
Aug 30 22:05:24 <fBirD> but i'm android beginner and its difficult to me to understand
Aug 30 22:05:41 <jcromartie> fBirD: ah, yeah you need to get comfortable with Intents
Aug 30 22:05:52 <jcromartie> fBirD: don't worry about loading anything at runtime
Aug 30 22:05:59 <jcromartie> just communicate across apps with intents
Aug 30 22:06:27 <jcromartie> use Intents to check if any app is installed to handle it
Aug 30 22:06:35 <jcromartie> then send them to the store to install
Aug 30 22:06:42 <jcromartie> or whatever method you prefer if it's internal, etc.
Aug 30 22:06:45 <fBirD> i just need 1 main app and when i press 1 or more buttons to open market to buy/download a new aplicaction
Aug 30 22:06:47 <fBirD> but
Aug 30 22:06:57 <jcromartie> OK so that's simple
Aug 30 22:07:03 <fBirD> i don't whant that new app in menu
Aug 30 22:07:49 <jcromartie> so build the module packages with no android.intent.category.LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:07:58 <fBirD> i see in some pages to remove intent-filter to remove the app from menu, but i can compile app like that
Aug 30 22:08:17 <jcromartie> that's it
Aug 30 22:08:27 <fBirD> but always result 1 erros
Aug 30 22:08:34 <fBirD> manifest.out
Aug 30 22:09:00 <jcromartie> if you remove the category?
Aug 30 22:09:05 <fBirD> yes
Aug 30 22:11:04 <jcromartie> well, what's the error?
Aug 30 22:12:10 <fBirD> its because miss android.intent.category.LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:12:10 <fBirD> android.intent.category.LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:12:10 <fBirD> its because don't have any android.intent.category.LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:12:10 <fBirD> if i remove android.intent.category.LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:13:44 <fBirD> last week i remove the android.intent.category.LAUNCHER , and it works and i don't know why.So i try open the same application form the main application and because the miss android.intent.category.LAUCHER, result another error , because the intent don't exist
Aug 30 22:14:30 <fBirD> jcromartie, you have any example ?
Aug 30 22:14:42 <jcromartie> how about this
Aug 30 22:14:47 <jcromartie> paste the actual error
Aug 30 22:15:10 <fBirD> i don't have the project in this computer :S
Aug 30 22:15:19 <jcromartie> did you remove MAIN too?
Aug 30 22:15:26 <fBirD> no
Aug 30 22:15:31 <fBirD> just LAUNCHER
Aug 30 22:15:49 <fBirD> and the app don't appear on menu
Aug 30 22:15:59 <fBirD> but i can open it after
Aug 30 22:18:03 <fBirD> i try find on internet some examples but its difficult find some tutorial
Aug 30 22:31:29 <fBirD> jcromartie, are you there
Aug 30 22:31:32 <fBirD> ?
Aug 30 22:42:08 <codeshah> hey guys, are there any fast dev frameworks for Android dev… I want to get a checklist app up and running fast. I am used to just using eclipse and raw java to start with
Aug 30 22:42:49 <p_l> codeshah: should be doable pretty fast with just android framework
Aug 30 22:43:22 <codeshah> p_l: yeah, pretty fast… just wondering if there are other frameworks [i.e. Rails that is on Ruby, Django that's on Python] 'cause I'm new to the android eco system
Aug 30 22:43:43 <codeshah> and for layouts, I am just using res/ xml files, and just laying stuff out there.
Aug 30 22:44:11 <p_l> codeshah: Android Framework provides quite a bit. You might want to use some extra libs, but biggest issues tackled seemed to be backwards compat and some extra widgets and utilities
Aug 30 22:44:42 <codeshah> p_l: thanks. btw any standard extra libs I should be aware of that the dev community uses frequently? [i.e. in Rails i'ts devise, papreclip etc.]
Aug 30 22:44:54 <p_l> hmmm
Aug 30 22:44:56 <codeshah> or is there a place with 3rd party libs [like a directory]
Aug 30 22:45:11 <codeshah> just so I cn add it to my rss feed reader…
Aug 30 22:45:12 <p_l> depends what you want to do, really. ActionBarSherlock is pretty often used.
Aug 30 22:45:27 <p_l> as for "quick" building, there was one, but I can't recall the name
Aug 30 22:45:48 <p_l> ah, found it
Aug 30 22:45:52 <p_l> http://code.google.com/p/roboguice/
Aug 30 22:46:04 <fBirD> codeshah, see this http://www.openintents.org/en/
Aug 30 22:46:34 <codeshah> thanks
Aug 30 22:48:23 <fBirD> codeshah, some social api's http://www.appbrain.com/stats/libraries/ad
Aug 30 22:48:55 <codeshah> cool
Aug 30 22:49:10 <fBirD> and good development tools
Aug 30 22:49:46 <fBirD> :)
Aug 30 22:50:40 <codeshah> fBirD: I use eclipse … is that what you mean
Aug 30 22:51:48 <fBirD> no i'm talking about development tools for download in appbrain
Aug 30 22:51:54 <fBirD> the most used are there
Aug 30 22:56:27 <wabz> anyone know of a good way to get the customview in the actionbar on the left of the tabs when the tabs are up the top of the actionbar?
Aug 30 22:59:04 <bjorkintosh> so how many of you would advise using scala instead of java for writing android apps?
Aug 30 23:24:47 <optimusM> how do I make a listview show wifi connections?
Aug 30 23:26:38 <kbs> I want to show a list of items within a viewpager, but each page may contain a different number of items. In fact, the number of items depends on the widthxheight of the viewpager.
Aug 30 23:26:58 <kbs> How can I obtain the dimensions of the viewpager before it asks its pageradapter for the number of items?
Aug 30 23:27:16 <kbs> er, "number of pages", I mean.
Aug 31 00:41:01 <ultra-> does anybody have any experience with rtp protocol in android?
Aug 31 00:41:13 <zinx> death to quicktime
Aug 31 00:47:23 <g00s> i wish google would provide more info on when the emu will have BT support; they announced it was coming 6 mos ago
Aug 31 00:48:50 <g00s> back during sdk r17
Aug 31 01:01:05 <abdrabo> Hi
Aug 31 01:02:54 <jayd16> wow…I finally get multi-choice alert dialogs.  The boolean array you pass in with initial values is actually constantly read.  Further changes to that array will reflect in the UI.  Am I just crazy or is this a ridiculous pattern?
Aug 31 01:03:48 <nullkuhl> am trying to create a camera application that applies effects to runtime camera preview such as night vision effect, i as wondering how to apply such an effect (knowing that i need to access pixel values and tweak them to a new value at runtime) more like applying a custom filter.. any idea ?
Aug 31 01:21:05 <saik0> I've got one fragment in which I want to display a list of items and a sticky header and footer. The header and footer data comes from one uri of a contentprovider, all the items coem from a second uri.
Aug 31 01:22:21 <saik0> Does it make more sense to do one listview or listfragment and merge the cursors or just have 3 listviews in my fragment?
Aug 31 01:24:51 <saik0> The header, footer, and item rows will need to have their own layouts
Aug 31 01:50:30 <ra4king> Java 7u7 released, everyone update *now*!
Aug 31 01:52:56 <speakingcode> howdy
Aug 31 01:53:22 <Wavesonics> mmm Can I take a regular ol' fragment, and display it as a Fragment Dialog?
Aug 31 01:53:38 <canadiancow> why dont you just extend DialogFragment instead
Aug 31 01:53:46 <canadiancow> and call setShowAsDialog(false) or wahtever it is
Aug 31 01:53:50 <canadiancow> if you dont want it to
Aug 31 01:54:02 <canadiancow> or use an activity with the theme DialogWhenLarge
Aug 31 01:54:12 <ra4king> Java 7u7 released, everyone update *now*!
Aug 31 01:54:19 <canadiancow> stfu ra4king
Aug 31 01:54:43 <ra4king> sorry, didn't mean to paste twice
Aug 31 01:55:13 <canadiancow> once was one time too many
Aug 31 01:55:30 <SimonVT> Still on good old java 6
Aug 31 01:56:19 <canadiancow> our subway tokens used to cost 2.50 each
Aug 31 01:56:28 <canadiancow> so using a 10 or 20 dollar bill was easy
Aug 31 01:56:30 <canadiancow> now they're 2.60
Aug 31 01:56:36 <canadiancow> and i want to punch someone in the face
Aug 31 01:57:13 <speakingcode> haha
Aug 31 01:57:20 <speakingcode> would rather it just be even steven 3
Aug 31 01:57:28 <canadiancow> id rather it be a factor of 10
Aug 31 01:57:29 <canadiancow> or 20
Aug 31 01:57:35 <canadiancow> i carry 20s
Aug 31 01:57:40 <canadiancow> i never carry change
Aug 31 01:57:41 <speakingcode> or that
Aug 31 01:58:00 <SimonVT> I never carry cash
Aug 31 01:58:02 <nullkuhl> hello..
Aug 31 01:58:04 <nullkuhl> am trying to create a camera application that applies effects to runtime camera preview such as night vision effect, i as wondering how to apply such an effect (knowing that i need to access pixel values and tweak them to a new value at runtime) more like applying a custom filter.. any idea ?
Aug 31 01:58:08 <speakingcode> write an app for that :-p
Aug 31 01:58:10 <ra4king> I. Hate. Change! XD
Aug 31 01:58:13 <canadiancow> SimonVT, i go out drinking after work a lot, and it REALLY sucks when everyone has credit only
Aug 31 01:58:22 <canadiancow> but realistically, bars are the only place i ever use cash
Aug 31 01:58:37 <canadiancow> now ineed to bring $20.80 tomorrow
Aug 31 01:58:38 <canadiancow> sigh
Aug 31 01:59:14 <SimonVT> meh
Aug 31 01:59:17 <speakingcode> you can send all your change to me if it bothers you
Aug 31 01:59:23 <SimonVT> Credit card all the way :p
Aug 31 01:59:30 <canadiancow> Token Vending Machines are available in many stations and dispense tokens in quantities of one, three and seven.
Aug 31 01:59:35 <canadiancow> like
Aug 31 01:59:36 <canadiancow> wat
Aug 31 01:59:45 <speakingcode> haha
Aug 31 01:59:45 <canadiancow> it used to be 2, 4, or 8
Aug 31 01:59:50 <speakingcode> someone likes prime numbers
Aug 31 01:59:54 <canadiancow> 1 isn't prime
Aug 31 02:00:04 <speakingcode> dnt be anal
Aug 31 02:00:13 <canadiancow> well i guess 2 for 3 aint bad
Aug 31 02:00:26 <speakingcode> one is prime in the since it is primus
Aug 31 02:00:34 <speakingcode> sense* even
Aug 31 02:00:56 <Wavesonics> canadiancow, I have existing fragments that on the phone I use in another layout, but on a larger form factor, they dont make sense to have their own screen, so i just wanna pop them over the existing layout
Aug 31 02:01:10 <canadiancow> yea so Wavesonics make them extend DialogFragment
Aug 31 02:01:22 <SimonVT> DialogFragment doesn't have to be dialogs
Aug 31 02:01:27 <SimonVT> They work as regular fragments as well
Aug 31 02:01:33 <canadiancow> and call setSHowsDialog(false) by default
Aug 31 02:01:34 <speakingcode> ^^
Aug 31 02:01:35 <Wavesonics> interesting
Aug 31 02:01:37 <SimonVT> For that exact usecase
Aug 31 02:01:39 <canadiancow> then if you want it to be a dialog, call that with true
Aug 31 02:01:50 <Wavesonics> hhmmm
Aug 31 02:02:29 <Wavesonics> i have a Fragmenet baseclass that all my fragments inherit form, so that is what would have to extend DialogFragment, are there any down sides u can think of to EVERY fragment inheriting it>
Aug 31 02:04:09 <Wavesonics> huh
Aug 31 02:04:10 <Wavesonics> java.lang.IllegalStateException: DialogFragment can not be attached to a container view
Aug 31 02:04:25 <Wavesonics> thats what happens if all my fragments inherit from DialogFragment
Aug 31 02:04:32 <speakingcode> anyone here happen to be a part of applico? is that kosher to ask?
Aug 31 02:05:09 <SimonVT> Wavesonics: You're missing setShowsDialog, as canadiancow mentioned
Aug 31 02:05:26 <Wavesonics> well thats only b/c im full of fail
Aug 31 02:05:29 <Wavesonics> thx guys :P
Aug 31 02:05:53 <canadiancow> 3885
Aug 31 02:06:02 <canadiancow> if theres one thing i hate about dual scerens..
Aug 31 02:06:26 <SimonVT> .. then it's spelling it
Aug 31 02:07:19 <Wavesonics> haha
Aug 31 02:07:29 <canadiancow> har har
Aug 31 02:07:55 <Wavesonics> canadiancow, are u a googler?
Aug 31 02:08:02 <canadiancow> no
Aug 31 02:08:03 <canadiancow> im a zyngite
Aug 31 02:08:09 <Wavesonics> oh cool
Aug 31 02:08:10 <canadiancow> for another 8 days
Aug 31 02:08:17 <Wavesonics> new job?
Aug 31 02:08:21 <canadiancow> yea
Aug 31 02:09:45 <speakingcode> zyngite? as in wwf?
Aug 31 02:10:14 <kc102> Anyone used or seen directCanvas?
Aug 31 02:11:02 <kc102> Trying to make a game that can be used on android, ios, or a desktop and it looks pretty promissing, but just wondering if anyone's used it. Don't seem to have an IRC channel for itself >>
Aug 31 02:12:39 <canadiancow> yes speakingcode
Aug 31 02:12:57 <canadiancow> my contributions to words android have mostly been under the hood
Aug 31 02:13:18 <canadiancow> but the other with friends games have more of my work
Aug 31 02:13:59 <kc102> Hey Canadiancow, did you ever get back on the Eldercrest tekkit server?
Aug 31 02:14:07 <canadiancow> i have no idea what you're talking about
Aug 31 02:14:29 <kc102> Hmm, might have been someone else but coulda sworn was you.
Aug 31 02:14:37 <kc102> You play minecraft Tekkit?
Aug 31 02:15:18 <canadiancow> no
Aug 31 02:15:44 <kc102> kk
Aug 31 02:15:47 <kc102> ^^
Aug 31 02:16:25 <speakingcode> cool speakingcode. i don't play wwf or realy any games at that, never seem to have time
Aug 31 02:16:30 <speakingcode> eer, cool canadiancow
Aug 31 02:16:59 <Wavesonics> ok, another question. At the Fragment level, I need to know if I'm embeded with other fragments, or alone  in my own activity. Whats a good way to do that.
Aug 31 02:17:08 <Wavesonics> i can think of a few, but is there a generally accepted way of doing it?
Aug 31 02:17:32 <SimonVT> Your Fragment shouldn't need to know that
Aug 31 02:17:35 <canadiancow> ive had interesting discussion with people on how a fragment can find out about other fragments
Aug 31 02:17:40 <canadiancow> and whether it should be done at all
Aug 31 02:19:04 <SimonVT> I'm in the "shouldn't be done" group
Aug 31 02:19:06 <Wavesonics> canadiancow, ok, well take this example. I have a Fragment that displays a lost of items. On a phone it is alone in its own activity, and when u click an item, it launches a new activity. But on a tablet, the list is emeded along side other htings, and when you click and item here, I want to pop up a dialog instead of go to a new screen
Aug 31 02:19:15 <carbohydrate> Hello, world. I have a PreferenceFragment in an Activity with an Action Bar. If I put a PreferenceScreen in the pref.xml, when clicked it replaces the Action Bar with a "stock" one, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to get it to display the "Up" carat for moving back up to the main preferencefragment
Aug 31 02:19:17 <Wavesonics> is the general idea here bad form?
Aug 31 02:19:27 <SimonVT> Wavesonics: Imo that should be handled by the Activity
Aug 31 02:19:27 <carbohydrate> Can someone please help me figure this out? I'm sure it
Aug 31 02:19:35 <carbohydrate> 's something stupid
Aug 31 02:19:36 <canadiancow> getActivity().onItemSelected()
Aug 31 02:19:45 <Wavesonics> hhhmm...
Aug 31 02:19:46 <SimonVT> And any communication from Fragment > Activity regarding it should be done though interfaces
Aug 31 02:19:52 <canadiancow> and the activity says "oh well i already have a fragment" or "OH NOES WUT DO I DO" and launches a new activity
Aug 31 02:20:04 <Wavesonics> ok i like that
Aug 31 02:20:12 <SimonVT> Look at..
Aug 31 02:20:25 <canadiancow> fuuuu
Aug 31 02:20:30 <canadiancow> i wrote an awesome example app of this
Aug 31 02:20:31 <SimonVT> There's a sample for that somewhere
Aug 31 02:20:36 <canadiancow> but i fucking did it "for zynga"
Aug 31 02:20:39 <canadiancow> so i cant open source it
Aug 31 02:20:55 <Wavesonics> canadiancow, SimonVT only thing, getActivity(), im gonna have to up cast blindly
Aug 31 02:20:59 <speakingcode> good ole corporate life
Aug 31 02:21:02 <Wavesonics> or w\ checks, but still :/
Aug 31 02:21:17 <canadiancow> well make your activity implement MyFragment.Listener
Aug 31 02:21:18 <SimonVT> Wavesonics: Do the check in onAttach
Aug 31 02:21:24 <canadiancow> and in... yea
Aug 31 02:21:33 * canadiancow high fives SimonVT
Aug 31 02:21:40 <SimonVT> Wavesonics: http://developer.android.com/guide/components/fragments.html#EventCallbacks
Aug 31 02:22:00 <SimonVT> Where the fuck is that shakespeare sample
Aug 31 02:22:04 <SimonVT> It does exactly this
Aug 31 02:22:23 <Wavesonics> i suppose
Aug 31 02:22:52 <Wavesonics> i dont love both being onclick listeners and basically throwing it up like that
Aug 31 02:22:59 <Wavesonics> but its better than any idea i had so...
Aug 31 02:23:13 <Wavesonics> its kinda a catch->throw thing ya know
Aug 31 02:23:45 <SimonVT> Oh wait, it doesn't..
Aug 31 02:23:48 <SimonVT> But yeah, callbacks
Aug 31 02:23:50 <SimonVT> Handle it in Activity
Aug 31 02:23:55 <Wavesonics> ya but like, chained callbacks
Aug 31 02:24:04 <Wavesonics> its fine, i'm implementing it right now :P
Aug 31 02:24:55 <canadiancow> ((MyView) getActivity().getMainFragment().getView()).updateSelection(getSelectedItemId());
Aug 31 02:24:57 <canadiancow> that's how it's done
Aug 31 02:25:03 <canadiancow> oh i forgot a cast
Aug 31 02:25:15 <canadiancow> ((MyView) ((MyActivity) getActivity()).getMainFragment().getView()).updateSelection(getSelectedItemId());
Aug 31 02:25:31 <Wavesonics> h/o ill post mine in a few
Aug 31 02:25:46 <SimonVT> That's...
Aug 31 02:25:50 <SimonVT> Yeah
Aug 31 02:26:43 <canadiancow> ((SomeFragment.Listener) getActivity).onItemSelected(int itemId);
Aug 31 02:26:45 <canadiancow> that's what you want
Aug 31 02:26:48 <canadiancow> and it can handle it as necessary
Aug 31 02:27:03 <canadiancow> if (i haz fragment) updateFragment(); else launchNewActivity();
Aug 31 02:28:12 <speakingcode> why do people at user groups like to say "i know just enough <some lang> to get myself  in trouble"
Aug 31 02:28:12 <SimonVT> I just keep a reference
Aug 31 02:28:19 <Wavesonics> ok im liking this more now than im doing it
Aug 31 02:28:37 <speakingcode> it's played and i feel like it means "i barely know dick about it and i generally suck as a programmer but i'll throw it out there in this way to sound cool"
Aug 31 02:29:26 <Wavesonics> lol
Aug 31 02:30:15 <speakingcode> i odn't know just enough spanish to get myself in troble. i just enough spanish to say good day and count to 10
Aug 31 02:33:29 <mh`> and some english apparently
Aug 31 02:33:34 <speakingcode> damn, terminal death
Aug 31 02:34:01 <speakingcode> i missed whatever glorifying laughter followed up my little spiel there... too bad
Aug 31 02:34:34 <grothendieck> it is permitted in google play to create an app with the same name as long as the namespace is different, yes?
Aug 31 02:34:45 <speakingcode> package name
Aug 31 02:34:53 <grothendieck> so for example, I release an app under namespace org.foo.bar
Aug 31 02:34:57 <speakingcode> which is what i think you mean by namespace
Aug 31 02:35:11 <grothendieck> then release an app under namespace (package name?) org.baz.bar
Aug 31 02:35:13 <grothendieck> that is permitted
Aug 31 02:35:22 <grothendieck> where the app is called MyApp in both cases
Aug 31 02:35:29 <speakingcode> indeed it is permitted
Aug 31 02:35:34 <grothendieck> great
Aug 31 02:35:35 <grothendieck> thanks
Aug 31 02:35:49 <SimonVT> You might want a way for users to tell them apart tho
Aug 31 02:35:57 <SimonVT> That's usually done in the name
Aug 31 02:36:04 <speakingcode> ^^ but that is a marketing matter, not so much a technical one
Aug 31 02:36:42 <speakingcode> typically what i do is find popular apps, and use the same name and logo so as to confuse people and trick them into getting mine
Aug 31 02:37:02 <grothendieck> I think like 90% of my users are subscribed to teh same number theory mailing list
Aug 31 02:37:06 <speakingcode> in the description i put stuff like "please uninstall our old unsupported version and replace with this one"
Aug 31 02:37:06 <grothendieck> lol
Aug 31 02:37:25 <grothendieck> My RAID failed and I cannot recove the private key
Aug 31 02:37:34 <saik0> THIS IS TOTALLY THE NEW BAK OF AMERICA APP. Please enter username and password:
Aug 31 02:37:36 <grothendieck> failed before I made external backups
Aug 31 02:37:37 <grothendieck> lol
Aug 31 02:37:51 <speakingcode> apparently saik0 is one my app users
Aug 31 02:38:10 <grothendieck> like...release android app, "eh what could possibly go wrong, I'll make the backups on an encrypted drive later" then the gods punish me two days later
Aug 31 02:38:15 <grothendieck> hahahah
Aug 31 02:38:28 <speakingcode> soemtimes to be real fance i will open their logo in photoshop and add a shiny "2.0" in the bottom right before putting it in my app
Aug 31 02:38:56 <grothendieck> facebook 2.0
Aug 31 02:39:01 <speakingcode> grothendieck you can also remove ur old one so two versions aren't in the market
Aug 31 02:39:12 <grothendieck> even though it's a phishing app, we actually steal less data...
Aug 31 02:39:34 <speakingcode> lolol
Aug 31 02:39:42 <canadiancow> so has anyone played horn?
Aug 31 02:39:43 <speakingcode> "now we're native so we're twice as fast"
Aug 31 02:39:45 <grothendieck> speakingcode: I am debating whether or not to do that, sicne I want to target a higher API version (to use fragments) with the new version
Aug 31 02:40:00 <grothendieck> so I may leave the old one in as a legacy version
Aug 31 02:40:19 <speakingcode> grothendieck if your new one breaks some compatibility and you have some marketing/business reason to leave it up, i would
Aug 31 02:40:20 <grothendieck> which runs on android 1.5 and up
Aug 31 02:40:32 <grothendieck> It's a computer algebra system for number theory
Aug 31 02:40:40 <grothendieck> I don't think there is much marketing to be done ;p
Aug 31 02:40:44 <speakingcode> iirc you can limit it to 1.5 to whatever, then use your new one for whatever +
Aug 31 02:40:49 <grothendieck> but I see your point
Aug 31 02:40:49 <Wavesonics> canadiancow, SimonVT worked like a charm, thanks!
Aug 31 02:40:53 <grothendieck> thanks for the help
Aug 31 02:41:15 <grothendieck> speakingcode: I plan on deliberately breaking compatibility
Aug 31 02:41:42 <SimonVT> speakingcode: Limiting to 1.5 is done in the manifest tho..
Aug 31 02:41:46 <speakingcode> that's fine. i'm just saying set one apk to show for versions 1.5 - x, and then have the other show for x+
Aug 31 02:41:52 <speakingcode> oh
Aug 31 02:41:55 <speakingcode> damn
Aug 31 02:41:56 <speakingcode> good point
Aug 31 02:41:58 <grothendieck> basically I want to leave the old one which isn't pretty (but works perfectly well) so anybody can use it for academic or educational purposes
Aug 31 02:42:31 <speakingcode> i was thinking you could set a filter in the submission page for some reason, shrug
Aug 31 02:42:38 <grothendieck> I may rename that one to MyApp (Legacy)
Aug 31 02:42:55 <grothendieck> and make a note in the new oen that the old version is deprecated
Aug 31 02:42:59 <speakingcode> so you're a number theorist?
Aug 31 02:43:01 <grothendieck> and will nto be updated
Aug 31 02:43:06 <grothendieck> number theory and algebraic geometry
Aug 31 02:43:20 <speakingcode> i did a little number theory, n some combinatorial geometry
Aug 31 02:43:32 <speakingcode> been quite some time
Aug 31 02:43:33 <grothendieck> but the number theory mathematics library was easier to port to android since it is written purely in ANSI C and has very few dependencies
Aug 31 02:43:36 <grothendieck> cool :)
Aug 31 02:43:47 <grothendieck> PARI/GP is the library I ported
Aug 31 02:43:54 <grothendieck> but I haven't touched the code in 6 months
Aug 31 02:44:06 <grothendieck> have some time now so getting things in order for a new release
Aug 31 02:44:12 <speakingcode> don't know anything about it. i will check your app out thouh, what's it called?
Aug 31 02:44:12 <grothendieck> losing the key was very discouraging
Aug 31 02:44:16 <grothendieck> Paridroid
Aug 31 02:44:26 <grothendieck> http://code.google.com/p/paridroid
Aug 31 02:44:52 <speakingcode> cool
Aug 31 02:45:27 <grothendieck> porting it was actaully really simple
Aug 31 02:45:28 <grothendieck> http://code.google.com/p/paridroid/wiki/BuildingPariForAndroid
Aug 31 02:45:55 <grothendieck> once I hacked together the right configure options
Aug 31 02:46:02 <grothendieck> It's super fast
Aug 31 02:46:14 <grothendieck> ARM is actually a great hardware platform for number theory
Aug 31 02:46:35 <grothendieck> lost my benchmark results too thoguh :(
Aug 31 02:48:07 <grothendieck> The NDK supports ARMv5TE or ARMv7 - in the form of armeabi and armeabi-v7a, both of these are
Aug 31 02:48:10 <grothendieck> capable of UMULL instructions.
Aug 31 02:49:04 <grothendieck> UMULL lets you do high-precision calculations quickly (maps two 32-bit machine words into a 64-bit machine word)
Aug 31 02:49:35 <grothendieck> It's a nice RISC feature set
Aug 31 02:49:42 <speakingcode> interesting
Aug 31 02:51:02 <grothendieck> the underlying math library has implemented the multiplication algorithms in its level0 kernel to use UMULL if it is supported
Aug 31 02:51:09 <grothendieck> yah fun stuff ;)
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