**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 08 02:59:58 2013
Jan 08 03:11:51 <phix> Afternoon gang!
Jan 08 03:21:04 * JamesWestlawn waves hello and tips his hat
Jan 08 03:22:16 <kaikai> hey barque
Jan 08 03:22:17 <JamesWestlawn> Anyone know a s-off method for the Evita?
Jan 08 03:22:30 <kaikai> are you pressing multiple abc keycodes?
Jan 08 03:23:41 <dragorn> JamesWestlawn: probaby have better luck in #android-root, it's all appdev here.  Or if XDA has a channel; don't know if they do
Jan 08 03:23:48 <JamesWestlawn> Or maybe point me to the proper channel...?
Jan 08 03:24:04 <JamesWestlawn> Thanks for the heads up
Jan 08 03:24:38 * JamesWestlawn waves goodbye and tips his hat
Jan 08 03:26:38 <reble> i have a kyocera hydro phone.  when i am in the browser.  it won't let me open more then 3 tabs.  is there a way to disable that limit
Jan 08 03:36:27 <RustyShackleford> I'm working on a contract class to go with my database. It will contain constants for all table names and columns
Jan 08 03:36:35 <RustyShackleford> how should I declare this class?
Jan 08 03:36:55 <RustyShackleford> https://developer.android.com/training/basics/data-storage/databases.html here an inner class is declared public static abstract
Jan 08 03:37:16 <RustyShackleford> but what about the outer class?
Jan 08 04:18:47 <jonp> really corner-case question: assume /system/lib/libz.so exists, and further assume that I've bundled libz.so with my app (so it's in /data/data/@PACKAGE_NAME@/lib/libz.so)
Jan 08 04:19:11 <jonp> which will System.loadLibrary("z") attempt to load? the /data/data one? or the /system/lib one? or is this even defined at all?
Jan 08 04:23:50 <linuxuz3r> omg android is soooo coooool
Jan 08 04:25:21 <StingRay_> linuxuz3r in what way ?
Jan 08 04:25:32 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 08 04:25:45 <jonp> the way that it drops most/all of user-space Linux and replaces it with Java?
Jan 08 04:25:48 <jonp> wait, i don't like that part
Jan 08 04:28:21 <linuxuz3r> how am i gonna remember all the apis android has
Jan 08 04:29:22 <AmandaC> linuxuz3r: by RTFM and keeping it handy? But no, continue trolling, you'll be much happier with the pacifier
Jan 08 04:29:25 <bankai_> if only they were available online or integrated some how in a development environment ....
Jan 08 04:29:32 <superlinux-hp> linuxuz3r, you won't
Jan 08 04:29:49 <superlinux-hp> you just save code templates
Jan 08 04:30:05 <superlinux-hp> and use them as building blocks
Jan 08 04:30:20 <superlinux-hp> codes you understand
Jan 08 04:30:25 <wabz> yeah just copy/paste from stackoverflow
Jan 08 04:30:26 <superlinux-hp> now..
Jan 08 04:30:32 <superlinux-hp> true
Jan 08 04:30:40 <superlinux-hp> like wabz says
Jan 08 04:30:40 <bankai_> wabz: how's the fires?
Jan 08 04:30:54 <wabz> haha pretty good
Jan 08 04:30:58 <wabz> reached 41.9 here
Jan 08 04:30:58 <superlinux-hp> wabz, your in Taz?
Jan 08 04:31:04 <jonp> superlinux-hp: so you're suggesting cargo cult programming? :-)
Jan 08 04:31:20 <jonp> "i saw it on so! it must be good!"
Jan 08 04:31:22 <wabz> no, sydney
Jan 08 04:31:23 <bankai_> only 30 here :P ;)
Jan 08 04:31:26 <wabz> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.gov.rfs.fnm.nsw
Jan 08 04:31:28 <jonp> "how's this work again?"
Jan 08 04:31:56 <AmandaC> jonp: black magick and child sacrafices, mostly
Jan 08 04:32:06 <superlinux-hp> well ... i won't recommend it.. but i use it
Jan 08 04:32:08 <linuxuz3r> i know now how to navigate through apis
Jan 08 04:32:17 <linuxuz3r> its cool google made cool apis
Jan 08 04:32:23 <linuxuz3r> i wish opengl is like this
Jan 08 04:33:54 <superlinux-hp> wabz, i  was in Australia beteen 2006 and 2009 as a James Cook university masters student. and I lived in Arncliffe in Sydney
Jan 08 04:34:10 <superlinux-hp> i lived there for one year
Jan 08 04:34:27 <superlinux-hp> the rest was in Cairns
Jan 08 04:35:57 <bankai_> w00t QLD :) BNE here :)
Jan 08 04:36:00 <superlinux-hp> now.. back to my question... how can I make my application sign automatically to youtube? i have some videos there, and i want them on private access..
Jan 08 04:36:57 <boomrx> superlinux-hp, you mean load youtube app form within your app?
Jan 08 04:37:09 <superlinux-hp> i want my videos accessible only from my videos
Jan 08 04:37:21 <superlinux-hp> my app is published..
Jan 08 04:37:46 <superlinux-hp> but I want only one user to be able to access my videos
Jan 08 04:38:31 <boomrx> just curious,why do you want to do that?
Jan 08 04:38:46 <superlinux-hp> boomrx, i just want to hide the links from people. but the watching is still free with Admob
Jan 08 04:39:32 <superlinux-hp> boomrx, it's the TCL/Tk tutorials English series , i want to make money from it.
Jan 08 04:39:35 <tave> I compiled a arm program on my computer, everything compiled successfully.  How do I get this program to run on my android device?
Jan 08 04:39:42 <superlinux-hp> they are mine,
Jan 08 04:41:34 <boomrx> hmm
Jan 08 04:41:35 <maarek> When implementing a SearchView with a custom adapter for suggestions in ActionBarSherlock, how can you get the resulting ACTION_SEARCH intent to return a query when the adapter was not some Content Provider. Has anyone run into this? I find the query is always null and the getColumnString on SearchManager.SUGGEST_COLUMN_QUERY is from what I take it, pointing to a predefined table column from the provider and not one defined in the Adapter that you provid
Jan 08 04:41:36 <maarek> with seachView.setSuggestionsAdapter()
Jan 08 04:41:54 <boomrx> superlinux-hp, not sure, can you just use the embed code for that vid with a webview?
Jan 08 04:43:00 <superlinux-hp> boomrx, it won't let the user see the description of the video
Jan 08 04:43:14 <superlinux-hp> i know this way of web embedding
Jan 08 04:43:34 <Da_Rhyno> Hi all... I go a quick question: I am trying to debug my app on my Sony Xperia Play, and I have downloaded the drivers from Sony's website. How do I install them?
Jan 08 04:44:30 <Da_Rhyno> got a quick question*
Jan 08 04:44:33 <boomrx> ahh isee superlinux-hp
Jan 08 04:45:08 <superlinux-hp> boomrx, repeating the description is cumbersome
Jan 08 04:45:32 <superlinux-hp> repeating it in the code i mean
Jan 08 04:45:48 <superlinux-hp> i have over 30 videos
Jan 08 04:46:32 <boomrx> can you scrape/parse the description and then add this to the webview perhaps?
Jan 08 04:46:36 <boomrx> roly against tandc
Jan 08 04:51:25 <Da_Rhyno> I have another question... I'm mainly a FreeBASIC/C programmer, and I'm not too keen on using Java. Is there a way I can code strictly in C for Android?
Jan 08 04:55:42 <StingRay_> anyone here ever popup a listView in another view ?
Jan 08 04:56:13 <StingRay_> getView seems to be called in sequence 0-8 like 40 times
Jan 08 04:56:38 <StingRay_> 9 items displayed in view at that time and me not scrolling touching anything
Jan 08 04:56:46 <StingRay_> that just seems odd to me
Jan 08 04:56:48 <boomrx> superlinux-hp, scrape the description using urlconnection and related classes,use jsoup to parse it, and then add it to the webview
Jan 08 04:57:07 <superlinux-hp> ok. got you
Jan 08 05:01:38 <Utoxin> Okay... quick question. For a fragment, where's the correct place to define the callbacks for UI elements? In the fragment class, or in the places it will be used?
Jan 08 05:07:20 <StingRay_> Utoxin i would guess wherever you want that has access to it
Jan 08 05:07:21 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 08 05:07:48 <Utoxin> StingRay_: Hmmm. Okay. Heh. I guess I'll try the Fragment class itself first, so I don't have to re-define it in multiple places.
Jan 08 05:09:27 <Da_Rhyno> Is it taboo to use C on Android?
Jan 08 05:10:22 <kaikai> PROGRAMMING TIME! TRANCE MUSIC ON!
Jan 08 05:10:58 <xorgate> hmm trance
Jan 08 05:12:23 <Utoxin> Da_Rhyno: I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is yes.
Jan 08 05:12:59 <Da_Rhyno> Yes to which question, Utoxin? That I can or that it's considered taboo?
Jan 08 05:13:10 <Utoxin> That it's considered Taboo.
Jan 08 05:14:01 <kaikai> SHIT... just waiting for my caffeine pill to kick in
Jan 08 05:14:04 <Utoxin> But again... I'm not an expert.
Jan 08 05:14:59 <Da_Rhyno> Okay... Thanks. I guess back to google, then. I'm not rewriting my code from scratch just to fit it to Java's paradigms.
Jan 08 05:15:02 <Da_Rhyno> :0
Jan 08 05:15:10 <Da_Rhyno> :)*
Jan 08 05:15:41 * Utoxin goes back to working on porting his app to use fragments. :)
Jan 08 05:16:13 <xorgate> nothing wrong with writing c
Jan 08 05:16:36 <Da_Rhyno> How difficult is it to do so on android though?
Jan 08 05:17:08 <Da_Rhyno> I mean, with regards to touch-screen input (multitouch), and audio output/graphical output?
Jan 08 05:18:37 <mrFlaminFingers> fingers flyx5
Jan 08 05:19:08 <xorgate> Da_Rhyno generally you do that in java, with cpu intense stuff in c
Jan 08 05:20:46 <Da_Rhyno> Ah, I see.
Jan 08 05:21:15 <Da_Rhyno> So I'm guessing I'd have to make an native interface between IO and my C code?
Jan 08 05:21:59 <Da_Rhyno> Where IO is in Java, and it would use a JNI object in C to get that info/send that info out...
Jan 08 05:22:06 <Da_Rhyno> Sounds like a bottleneck xD
Jan 08 05:22:33 <Utoxin> Woo, Okay, just putting the callbacks into the onCreateView is working.
Jan 08 05:22:58 <xorgate> Da_Rhyno depends on what you want to do
Jan 08 05:24:40 <xorgate> time to mov ip, [sleep] eh eh
Jan 08 05:24:56 <Da_Rhyno> Well, I'm making a real-time adventure game, using a state machine for the engine (handling the player, AI, and output), and one for the player (what touch does what), and one for each baddie.
Jan 08 05:25:18 <Da_Rhyno> So each of the player states will accept some form of input
Jan 08 05:25:22 * Zharf would do all that in java :p
Jan 08 05:25:52 <Trinity> da_rhyno: #android-dev :)
Jan 08 05:25:56 <Zharf> unless there's some really big code base you can use or that performance can be significantly improved for some operations, I wouldn't use NDK
Jan 08 05:25:57 <Trinity> #android-games*
Jan 08 05:26:00 <Da_Rhyno> I wouldn't mind it all in Java if it weren't for the fact that I already have it coded in FreeBASIC which is a frontend for C. :)
Jan 08 05:26:36 <Da_Rhyno> Trinity - I didn't know /that/ chat existed either. xD
Jan 08 05:26:40 <Zharf> Da_Rhyno, I see, well, I have written a couple of games using mostly native stuff and user input and audio output are in java, and those are definitely not the bottle necks
Jan 08 05:26:56 <Zharf> but it's a lot more work imo
Jan 08 05:27:06 <Trinity> i just started it 2 days ago have a couple of people on there now and a couple of regulars haha
Jan 08 05:27:18 <Da_Rhyno> Well, not if I keep things nicely modularized in the C code.
Jan 08 05:27:28 <Da_Rhyno> Trinity - I see =P
Jan 08 05:27:57 <Zharf> Da_Rhyno, still, the power of java imo is the massive library :)
Jan 08 05:28:07 <devslash> has anyone here used the TrafficStats class ?
Jan 08 05:28:10 <Da_Rhyno> Yeah, that's true.
Jan 08 05:28:26 <napster> I use different sized images in a single listView. But when scrolling, there is jaggy effect since the getView method reuses the imageview for another image with a different resolution. Is there any way to fix this other than using fixed sized image views?
Jan 08 05:32:57 <Trinity> basic java question, i'm pretty sure these two are different but would someone care to elaborate? I have a String x, is if (x == null) the same as if (x.isEmpty())? i'm pretty sure they arnt but just making sure
Jan 08 05:33:07 <Trinity> wait nvmd lol stupid question
Jan 08 05:33:12 <Trinity> figured it out after asking
Jan 08 05:33:46 <napster> no they are not
Jan 08 05:33:58 <wabz> napster: you might want to look at getViewTypeCount and getItemViewType for your adapter
Jan 08 05:33:59 <napster> x.isEmpty() will throw a null pointer exception
Jan 08 05:34:37 <napster> wabz: Actually getItemViewType() is not usable since all the images have different sizes and we can't predict in advance.
Jan 08 05:36:40 <greatjustice> I don't know anything about listview, but why is an imageview trying to hold more than one image?
Jan 08 05:36:45 <Trinity> napster: so you're saying if it is null it'll through a null pointer exception, thats good to know. I'm guessing the same applies for x.length(). so i guess I should test for null first then. thanks napster
Jan 08 05:37:21 <devslash> has anyone here used the TrafficStats class ?
Jan 08 05:37:32 <greatjustice> x is null, so after x is looked up, it will try null.length()
Jan 08 05:38:12 <greatjustice> So just check for x == null if its not final
Jan 08 05:38:32 <Trinity> right, but i have different methods to call if x is null vs x is empty. so i guess ill jsut have to test for null first. thanks :)
Jan 08 05:38:43 <napster> greatjustice: I think you should watch romainguy's the famous listviews video :)
Jan 08 05:39:26 <napster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBM6wVEO70
Jan 08 05:39:30 <greatjustice> Maybe some other time. Must code game...
Jan 08 05:44:18 <devslash> how do i get the value that is stored in Settings->Data Usage  ?
Jan 08 05:45:50 <StingRay_> anyone ever use a listView within a view that they animate "popup type anim" ?
Jan 08 05:46:10 <StingRay_> getView seems to be called for all views 60+ times
Jan 08 05:46:19 <StingRay_> puzzles the hell outta me now
Jan 08 05:50:05 <boomrx> when capturing a video the resultant mp4 always has a slight pause at the end of the video, but the sound will continue for that split second
Jan 08 05:51:00 <boomrx> i think its because when encoding the h264 mp4 it is taking the closest keyframe at the end of the file and so if the audio doint end on that exact time when the keyframe sdoes in the video stream, you get a nasty little pause in video
Jan 08 05:51:17 <boomrx> can i workaround this?
Jan 08 05:56:06 <Trinity> devslash: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4812032/how-to-go-about-detecting-data-usage-in-the-android-env
Jan 08 05:56:19 <devslash> I'm using that
Jan 08 05:56:22 <devslash> its not accurate
Jan 08 05:56:40 <devslash> it doesn't match what i see when i go to settings,data usage
Jan 08 05:58:55 <Trinity> try the 2nd answer
Jan 08 06:01:11 <Trinity> so, if I have a null variable and I try to log it will I get a crash for nullpointer?
Jan 08 06:05:39 <devslash> Trinity: do you know which network interface is used for mobile data ?
Jan 08 06:06:10 <devslash> Trinity: I'm looking into the 2nd answer...
Jan 08 06:06:57 * linuxuz3r wish creating dialogs in android is as simple as creating dialogs in javascript
Jan 08 06:07:41 <Trinity> no idea sorry devslash
Jan 08 06:10:11 * squ wish java is replaced
Jan 08 06:11:42 * Da_Rhyno ^this
Jan 08 06:15:40 <Zharf> squ, by what
Jan 08 06:16:45 <Trinity> damn, that netsplit yo
Jan 08 06:19:16 <squ> Zharf, at least objc
Jan 08 06:19:36 <Zharf> ...
Jan 08 06:19:47 <Zharf> and why
Jan 08 06:19:55 <Da_Rhyno> why objc?
Jan 08 06:19:57 <Da_Rhyno> O_o
Jan 08 06:20:07 <Da_Rhyno> Just c with the current Android libraries
Jan 08 06:20:18 <Zharf> that'd be horrible
Jan 08 06:20:21 <Zharf> both of those
Jan 08 06:20:23 <Da_Rhyno> Not really.
Jan 08 06:20:52 <Da_Rhyno> What's horrible is the fact that I have to write tons of lines of code for something as simple as touch input.
Jan 08 06:21:06 <Zharf> you're doing it wrong
Jan 08 06:21:30 <Da_Rhyno> I must be. =P
Jan 08 06:21:37 <Da_Rhyno> I'm doing multitouch the old way
Jan 08 06:21:53 <Zharf> the amount of code is not the problem really, most of that is done by IDEs anyway
Jan 08 06:22:16 <Zharf> the biggest problem is the speed on these slow processors
Jan 08 06:22:30 <Zharf> the language itself is ok but the VMs just suck
Jan 08 06:26:56 <[1]Trinity> so it turns out Log.d will crash your app if you give it a nullpointer
Jan 08 06:27:20 <[1]Trinity> Logger.log for the win!
Jan 08 06:29:48 <muhoo> is it ok for a fragment to register a broadcastreceiver?
Jan 08 06:30:08 <muhoo> or is that considered not kosher?
Jan 08 06:30:52 <muhoo> hmm, nm, SO is on it already.
Jan 08 06:31:00 <StingRay_> i do it
Jan 08 06:31:17 <squ> kosher certificate should be issued on that
Jan 08 06:31:37 <Zharf> Trinity, well duh
Jan 08 06:31:40 <squ> hey JakeWharton
Jan 08 06:31:56 <JakeWharton> hi
Jan 08 06:32:07 <squ> do you know how to center text in ABS?
Jan 08 06:32:09 <muhoo> says getActivity().getApplicationContext() is the way to do it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8737457/dynamic-broadcast-receiver-in-fragment
Jan 08 06:32:15 <squ> without custom view
Jan 08 06:32:25 <JakeWharton> you can't
Jan 08 06:32:27 <JakeWharton> see the official docs
Jan 08 06:32:33 <StingRay_> I still dont get why my adapter getView is called 50x on each item, but in sequence...
Jan 08 06:32:38 <Da_Rhyno> g2g thanks all!
Jan 08 06:33:20 <squ> JakeWharton, how do I get that default pressed/focused border around items when using custom view?
Jan 08 06:33:44 <JakeWharton> use the style for action items
Jan 08 06:34:02 <squ> have example anywhere?
Jan 08 06:34:24 <JakeWharton> <Button style="@style/Widget.Sherlock.Something.ActionItem"/>
Jan 08 06:34:41 <squ> ok, thank you. let me try :)
Jan 08 06:34:56 <JakeWharton> or new Button(context, null, R.attr.actionModeItemBackground);
Jan 08 06:35:24 <StingRay_> oh wow, 344 calls to getView when displaying just 8 items
Jan 08 06:35:38 <squ> whats "something" ?
Jan 08 06:35:47 <JakeWharton> i don't remember
Jan 08 06:35:51 <JakeWharton> looks at the styles it uses
Jan 08 06:36:08 <squ> its Holo or HoloLight for example?
Jan 08 06:36:19 <JakeWharton> no, those are API 11+ only
Jan 08 06:38:50 <squ> can't grep "ActionItem" in 'library'
Jan 08 06:39:39 <squ> in library/res
Jan 08 06:41:20 <squ> JakeWharton ?
Jan 08 06:41:27 <JakeWharton> what?
Jan 08 06:42:54 <linuxuz3r> back
Jan 08 06:43:12 <squ> where do you define that ActionItem ?
Jan 08 06:44:05 <JakeWharton> abs__styles.xml
Jan 08 06:44:24 <squ> "ActionItem" not found there :)
Jan 08 06:44:49 <squ> I'm at res/values/abs__styles.xml
Jan 08 06:45:21 <JakeWharton> it might be called something else
Jan 08 06:45:24 <JakeWharton> i forget
Jan 08 06:45:39 <squ> do you expect me to read all your styles ? :)
Jan 08 06:47:02 <JakeWharton> yes?
Jan 08 06:47:10 <JakeWharton> either that or follow the code to look and see how it makes the buttons
Jan 08 06:48:42 <squ> which code?
Jan 08 06:50:10 <muhoo> so i've got a fragment that will be present in a bunch of activities, and it needs to register a broadcastreceiver. looks like i'll have to unregister and register it every resume/onpause
Jan 08 06:53:31 <droidbuster> What changed in android 4.1 that this samole
Jan 08 06:53:49 <droidbuster> Sample http://pastebin.com/Uc3Vg7QR doesnt work anymore
Jan 08 06:59:24 <Zharf> droidbuster, define does not work
Jan 08 06:59:28 <Zharf> exception?
Jan 08 07:00:05 <droidbuster> Just crashes and i dont know why
Jan 08 07:00:22 <droidbuster> I am mobile atm a fatal error
Jan 08 07:00:40 <Zharf> too vague
Jan 08 07:00:49 <droidbuster> When im by my computer i shall rerun it
Jan 08 07:04:52 <boomrx> Hey, is there any way to record uncompressed/raw video from camera instead of the formats that MediaRecorder class provides?
Jan 08 07:19:53 <squ> JakeWharton,         style="@style/Widget.Sherlock.Light.ActionButton"
Jan 08 07:19:57 <squ> that is it?
Jan 08 07:22:32 <Gaz`> hmm this is gonna sound really dumb but if i have an activity with a method in it, and i want to call that method from another activity how do i do it? like ordinarily id make an instance of the class and call that but u dont do that with activities right?
Jan 08 07:27:59 <g00s> Gaz`: :|
Jan 08 07:28:18 <g00s> come on, you know that either (1) you can't or (2) you can if you make it static
Jan 08 07:28:36 <g00s> but (2) smells bad
Jan 08 07:30:10 <Gaz`> well yeh, i quickly tried it static but there were a billion errors :)
Jan 08 07:30:39 <Gaz`> i might just start activity, call it then finish, and the list will be ready static ;---x
Jan 08 07:30:53 <g00s> oh my
Jan 08 07:31:11 <Gaz`> :)
Jan 08 07:31:23 <Gaz`> seems fairly lame how theres no good way to do it
Jan 08 07:32:17 <ron_frown> abstract that shit out
Jan 08 07:32:24 <Gaz`> or just make a static instance of the class
Jan 08 07:32:26 <Gaz`> yeh
Jan 08 07:32:26 <ron_frown> if you use a method more than once, pull it into a common place
Jan 08 07:32:28 <muhoo> i have an activity that calls almost a dozen dialog boxes. i have them all in separate classes/files, but what's getting unmanageable is all the calls to create/show the dialogs, and to handle their callbacks, from this one activity
Jan 08 07:32:49 <muhoo> is there any best practices for splitting that stuff out of the main activity somehow? i don't want a 1500-line beast of an activity
Jan 08 07:32:58 <Gaz`> muhoo use a switch
Jan 08 07:33:15 <g00s> Gaz`: Eclipse does this easy; select "Refactor->Abstract Shit Out"
Jan 08 07:33:21 <Gaz`> hehe
Jan 08 07:33:23 <ron_frown> HAHA
Jan 08 07:33:27 <ron_frown> extract isnt it? =)
Jan 08 07:33:37 <muhoo> i don't deal with eclipse
Jan 08 07:33:42 <ron_frown> me neither
Jan 08 07:33:45 <g00s> intellij doesnt even have that :D
Jan 08 07:33:54 <ron_frown> they have rpetty powerful refactoring shit
Jan 08 07:33:55 <muhoo> no, this is a human thing.
Jan 08 07:33:57 <Gaz`> wow it does have an extract, cant imagine how that will work
Jan 08 07:34:16 <ron_frown> it creates a new method and adds a call to that instead of that code
Jan 08 07:34:19 <ron_frown> works well
Jan 08 07:34:28 <Gaz`> gonna try! after a backup :)
Jan 08 07:34:36 <muhoo> that's what git is for!
Jan 08 07:34:46 <muhoo> git co -b abstract_shit_out
Jan 08 07:34:46 <Gaz`> yeh
Jan 08 07:34:54 <Gaz`> not really got a decent cvs im using
Jan 08 07:34:59 <Gaz`> i like beanstalk but u got to pay
Jan 08 07:35:05 <Gaz`> it works..
Jan 08 07:35:24 <muhoo> so, the extract function you say, in intellij? will read up on it.
Jan 08 07:35:40 <ron_frown> read up on/ play with all the refactoring shit
Jan 08 07:35:48 <ron_frown> refactor in eclipse you gotta be careful
Jan 08 07:36:00 <ron_frown> one of our newbs did refactoring, but didnt realize eclipse likes to change string values too
Jan 08 07:36:10 <ron_frown> ended up breaking a lot of shit without knowing it
Jan 08 07:36:13 <ron_frown> no unit tests in place
Jan 08 07:36:21 <ron_frown> so it was a while before we caught it
Jan 08 07:36:58 <Gaz`> lol well that was AWFUL, it just made a new method that calls the old one
Jan 08 07:37:41 <Gaz`> whats the point of that
Jan 08 07:37:48 <Gaz`> i thought it was gonna do some magic
Jan 08 07:37:53 <ron_frown> extract it into a place outside of that class (which it can do
Jan 08 07:38:37 <muhoo> i don't believe in magic
Jan 08 07:38:51 <muhoo> in this case, i think it's my brain that needs upgrading, not my IDE.
Jan 08 07:39:04 <Gaz`> ron_frown i dont see that option?
Jan 08 07:39:33 <ron_frown> when you extract id doesnt give you options to move that functionality into a new class?
Jan 08 07:39:39 <ron_frown> I dont use eclipse on a regular basis anymore
Jan 08 07:39:48 <ron_frown> but I could swear there was a way you could do that with the stock refactoring tools
Jan 08 07:40:00 <Gaz`> it dies say extract class
Jan 08 07:40:05 <Gaz`> i expected it to say extract to class
Jan 08 07:40:35 <ron_frown> extract class does something diff
Jan 08 07:40:57 <muhoo> but, if i extract to class, these methods access a bunch of member/fields of the current class
Jan 08 07:41:10 <Gaz`> i dont think hes talkign to you muhoo
Jan 08 07:41:14 <muhoo> oh
Jan 08 07:41:34 <muhoo> yeah, i think what i'm doing is maybe more complicated, or even not possible.
Jan 08 07:41:46 <Gaz`> paste ur code to pastebin
Jan 08 07:41:50 <Gaz`> and someone will ridicule you for a while
Jan 08 07:41:52 <Gaz`> :)
Jan 08 07:41:53 <ron_frown> I dont even want to know what he was looking at that gave him the impression I was talking to him
Jan 08 07:42:07 <Gaz`> hehe
Jan 08 07:42:59 <muhoo> i can't for this project, unfortunately. i can get ridiculed plenty fine without that anyway though.
Jan 08 07:43:38 <muhoo> i could probably create a small sample app that demonstrates this though. can't believe i'm the first person to face this issue.
Jan 08 07:43:49 <g00s> ron_frown: refactoring w/o unit tests? not eclipse's fault :D
Jan 08 07:44:23 <ron_frown> absolutely correc thtere sir
Jan 08 07:44:32 <ron_frown> I'm working on my situation
Jan 08 07:44:44 <ron_frown> I gave them a reasonable amount fo time to get with the times
Jan 08 07:44:47 <ron_frown> and reality
Jan 08 07:47:16 <muhoo> trying to build unit tests for an already-existing app is a big project
Jan 08 07:47:30 <muhoo> that's why the TDD religion is to do the tests first. otherwise, they'll never happen.
Jan 08 07:47:35 <ron_frown> I found a pretty bitchin thing I slapped together that I've all been forgotten
Jan 08 07:47:43 <ron_frown> thats assinine... fuck tdd
Jan 08 07:47:56 <ron_frown> I believe in write your code and do due dilligence with tests
Jan 08 07:48:47 <muhoo> http://blog.fogus.me/2012/06/20/not-enough/
Jan 08 07:50:03 <ron_frown> honestly I see "ruby" and I just stop reading
Jan 08 07:50:56 <muhoo> well he said static typing, so that kind of blows past ruby pretty quickly
Jan 08 07:51:05 <NightRave> muhoo, thanks for the link, it's a funny post
Jan 08 07:51:19 <NightRave> but, in Love Driven Development, even Love will hardly save you
Jan 08 07:51:51 <muhoo> i think his point is, nothing really will save you. the love thing was a joke.
Jan 08 07:52:09 <NightRave> :\ even love won't
Jan 08 07:52:38 <ron_frown> see I like basic unit testing... test what you should after you build... success and failure cases
Jan 08 07:52:51 <ron_frown> add tests to prevent regression of bugs once you fix em
Jan 08 07:53:04 <muhoo> that's the main use i've found for tests, yes.
Jan 08 07:54:09 <muhoo> i also tend to write in functional languages wherever possible. sadly, on android i'm stuck with java for the moment.
Jan 08 07:54:37 <p_l> muhoo: one thing regarding moving from functional to java - be very, very wary of consing
Jan 08 07:54:48 <ron_frown> android seemed pretty big pita to write tests for
Jan 08 07:54:54 <ron_frown> especially when testing network code
Jan 08 07:55:01 <ron_frown> has to be async nework io
Jan 08 07:55:10 <ron_frown> but then unit testing async code is... interesting
Jan 08 07:56:41 <g00s> kinda sucks too that android uses jUnit 3.8 from like the mid 90s
Jan 08 07:56:57 <g00s> or something
Jan 08 07:57:31 <ron_frown> I wish I could find a video that explained how powerful unit tests could be vs retarded human testers
Jan 08 07:57:38 <canadiancow> lol
Jan 08 07:57:40 <ron_frown> I mean our app infrastructure is MASSIVE
Jan 08 07:57:44 <canadiancow> they test different things
Jan 08 07:57:47 <ron_frown> I know
Jan 08 07:57:55 <ron_frown> but they see testers as no need for unit tests
Jan 08 07:57:59 <canadiancow> id rather humans not test that 2+2=4
Jan 08 07:58:04 <canadiancow> id rather they test that things look good
Jan 08 07:58:05 <canadiancow> etc
Jan 08 07:58:17 <ron_frown> I'm no unit test nazi... and generally I dont even like following popular trends just because they are popular
Jan 08 07:58:23 <ron_frown> exactly
Jan 08 07:58:28 <g00s> ron_frown: you're a hipster then !
Jan 08 07:58:31 <ron_frown> or I clicked this button and ui went into unusable state
Jan 08 07:58:47 <p_l> OTOH, sometimes the software for automated testing is so crappy you wish that people would forget about it and just accept the human tester's output
Jan 08 07:59:17 <p_l> ron_frown: well, acceptance tests can be automated, and Android includes support for it (well, some)
Jan 08 08:00:39 <ron_frown> monkeyrunner and that other french dude one?
Jan 08 08:01:00 <ron_frown> teh testers we have find jack shit
Jan 08 08:01:16 <ron_frown> honestly makes me hate them for being paid to sit on their thumbs
Jan 08 08:01:20 <ron_frown> I jsut need to quit =)
Jan 08 08:02:28 <p_l> ron_frown: well, I had a looong, very specific "certification document" that we had to be in compliance with, that the tester had to sign off (after following every single step)
Jan 08 08:07:36 <muhoo> there are generally two broad types of human testers: 1) the randomness monkey, and 2) the human unit test suite
Jan 08 08:08:37 <NightRave> 3)the no-tester
Jan 08 08:08:50 <muhoo> yeah, those you don't pay, hopefully :-)
Jan 08 08:09:18 <NightRave> hehe
Jan 08 08:11:56 <g00s> i went to best buy tonight to look for eneloop batteries; there was not a fucking soul by the PCs or tablets
Jan 08 08:12:22 <g00s> only a few people playing with the iPads
Jan 08 08:12:45 <g00s> somebody was messing with a Kindle reader
Jan 08 08:12:58 <NightRave> at least someone who was reading :D
Jan 08 08:13:02 <g00s> i took notes on this behavior for about 30 minutes as i loitered around
Jan 08 08:13:13 <g00s> mostly playing with the cameras :D
Jan 08 08:13:32 <g00s> have to play with it in BB before buying it on amazon, of course
Jan 08 08:14:19 <linuxuz3r> hi
Jan 08 08:14:52 <linuxuz3r> is it a good idea to get mobile apps and web apps certification in a university for job finding
Jan 08 08:16:02 <g00s> nah, just look at ron_frown over there. he has fast cars and motorcycles w/o any of that
Jan 08 08:16:24 <Trinity> what'd ron_frown make? lol
Jan 08 08:16:38 <g00s> Trinity: nobody /really/ knows ...
Jan 08 08:18:06 <NightRave> haha
Jan 08 08:18:24 <NightRave> g00s, sorry, without any of what?
Jan 08 08:18:39 <g00s> wow, 13" tablets ? http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde/xchg/displaysearch/hs.xsl/130107_tablet_pc_market_forecast_to_surpass_notebooks_in_2013.asp
Jan 08 08:18:49 <Trinity> im guessing, ron_frown: didnt get any of those fancy degrees and made it somehow
Jan 08 08:18:50 <Trinity> lol
Jan 08 08:18:50 <g00s> het your xxxxlarge layouts ready !
Jan 08 08:19:18 <Trinity> why all the tablets? i always prefer to use my laptop over my tablet
Jan 08 08:19:25 <Trinity> tablet hype*
Jan 08 08:20:10 <g00s> i'd love a Ubuntu P^H^Hablet
Jan 08 08:21:53 <Zharf> tablets suck
Jan 08 08:22:51 <NightRave> well, they don't suck, but if you have a good smartphone, kinda pointless
Jan 08 08:22:57 <linuxuz3r> i think they increased the tuition fee again in my university
Jan 08 08:22:58 <Trinity> GC freeing 400k is okay? the free % stays consistantly at 74% so im guessing no mem leak
Jan 08 08:23:03 <linuxuz3r> which sucks
Jan 08 08:24:16 <p_l> g00s: first tablet I ever used was ~12.1"
Jan 08 08:24:29 <p_l> Trinity: you should be more worried about pauses
Jan 08 08:24:39 <Trinity> 5ms+12ms
Jan 08 08:24:44 <g00s> i'd love a 13" tablet for reading PDFs
Jan 08 08:24:48 <Trinity> anyway to decrease pause time?
Jan 08 08:25:12 <p_l> Trinity: create less crap
Jan 08 08:25:17 <Trinity> hahaha kk gotcha
Jan 08 08:25:21 <Trinity> reuse resources :)
Jan 08 08:25:42 <p_l> and simplify the links between them, I guess
Jan 08 08:25:52 <Trinity> read somewhere forcing gc isn't reliable?
Jan 08 08:25:56 <Trinity> whats your experience with it?
Jan 08 08:25:59 <p_l> g00s: tablets are much older than many people think
Jan 08 08:26:02 <g00s> hmm, so Bruce Eckel has gotten into Scala these days
Jan 08 08:26:14 <p_l> Trinity: forcing GC is generally bad idea unless you really know what you're doing
Jan 08 08:26:25 <g00s> p_l: yeah, moses used 2 at a time !
Jan 08 08:26:33 <p_l> aka the "professional driver on closed circuit, do not approach" level
Jan 08 08:26:53 <NightRave> omg! why is onUpdate so difficult
Jan 08 08:26:53 <p_l> g00s: nah, I used to see a friend of mine in 2007 using his. Pretty nifty
Jan 08 08:27:00 <NightRave> do you guys actually understand everything you code?
Jan 08 08:27:05 <Trinity> any reason why its a bad idea besides if you call it at the wrong time?
Jan 08 08:27:27 <Trinity> developing a game so i'm thinking calling it when game pauses, ends, etc
Jan 08 08:27:47 <p_l> Trinity: because the effect is that usually you run it at wrong time and without knowing how the GC might call anyway
Jan 08 08:27:59 <p_l> also, it forces a full GC, not CONCURRENT collection, iirc
Jan 08 08:28:04 <p_l> at least on DVM
Jan 08 08:28:14 <Trinity> ahh kk so it can call whenever it wants to
Jan 08 08:28:35 <Trinity> best to just let it do its job and make less instances, etc
Jan 08 08:29:02 <p_l> yes, you'll get more throughput like that
Jan 08 08:29:05 <Trinity> is there any tool to debug whats causing extra pauses?
Jan 08 08:29:20 <Trinity> or do i have to manually scavenge through my code
Jan 08 08:29:47 <p_l> there's heap profiler, any java profiler should also show allocations, etc.
Jan 08 08:30:45 <Trinity> aight thanks pl
Jan 08 09:07:55 <anli> Is a negative button always displayed before the positive button?
Jan 08 09:08:53 <Gaz`> wowthat refactoring took some time... :)
Jan 08 09:09:00 <Gaz`> anli dont quite understand
Jan 08 09:09:27 <anli> I use setPositiveButton and setNegativeButton in an AlertDialog.Builder (in that order)
Jan 08 09:09:32 <anli> Still the buttons shows in the other order
Jan 08 09:09:49 <Gaz`> ah yeh i guess thats a deliberate thing? for consistency
Jan 08 09:10:02 <Gaz`> u could make a custom dialog to fix that
Jan 08 09:10:06 <Gaz`> "fix" that :)
Jan 08 09:10:21 <Gaz`> not advised tho ppl are used to that order
Jan 08 09:10:23 <anli> Well, I have always seen dialogs with yes no, not no yes
Jan 08 09:10:39 <Gaz`> even in android apps? or in general?
Jan 08 09:10:45 <anli> general
Jan 08 09:11:43 <anli> I dont even know what a positive button resp. negative button is :)
Jan 08 09:12:00 <anli> Would be great if the terminology was a bit different, like setLeftButton and setRightButton
Jan 08 09:12:16 <Gaz`> yeh, well just set YES, NO then youll see :)
Jan 08 09:12:31 <Gaz`> damn i been coding 13 hrs
Jan 08 09:12:37 <Gaz`> time to finish up and do some unity
Jan 08 09:12:41 <anli> Do they differ in any way
Jan 08 09:12:42 <greatjustice> anli: this changed recently in android
Jan 08 09:12:46 <anli> Oh, ok :)
Jan 08 09:12:49 <greatjustice> or in holo
Jan 08 09:12:51 <anli> aha
Jan 08 09:12:52 <greatjustice> don't remember
Jan 08 09:13:05 <anli> So the order was different you mean?
Jan 08 09:13:14 <greatjustice> Yeah
Jan 08 09:13:22 <anli> Well, that means it can change again then
Jan 08 09:13:28 <greatjustice> it was pos, neutral, neg
Jan 08 09:13:32 <anli> ok
Jan 08 09:13:43 <greatjustice> Now its neg, neutral, pos
Jan 08 09:13:47 <anli> Maybe I should create a custom dialog
Jan 08 09:13:55 <greatjustice> so a custom would be okay
Jan 08 09:13:58 <greatjustice> I did that
Jan 08 09:14:10 <anli> Do I stil use the AlertDialog.Builder class for that?
Jan 08 09:14:21 <greatjustice> No
Jan 08 09:14:28 <greatjustice> extend dialog
Jan 08 09:14:34 <anli> Ah
Jan 08 09:15:05 <greatjustice> also, if you don't have a title make a theme for your custom dialog with no title
Jan 08 09:15:14 <greatjustice> Google android dialog no title
Jan 08 09:15:22 <anli> Yeah, titles are not that great
Jan 08 09:15:31 <greatjustice> otherwise, it will apportion space for it
Jan 08 09:15:35 <naquad> is there a way to send push notifications to android w/o any app?
Jan 08 09:15:36 <anli> ok
Jan 08 09:15:38 <greatjustice> even if you leave blank
Jan 08 09:15:47 <anli> I see
Jan 08 09:16:45 <greatjustice> It's a bug with alertdialog anyway. I started with alertdialog that had to be centered to look right. And it ended up being pushed down because of it
Jan 08 09:17:10 <greatjustice> Things like that irritate me :X
Jan 08 09:17:40 <appel1> naquad: sms, e-mail ?
Jan 08 09:18:40 <naquad> appel1, something with easy api that doesn't require much of interaction (a-la http post)
Jan 08 09:19:54 <appel1> naquad: no (but I don't really understand what it is you want to accomplish)
Jan 08 09:30:32 <squ> how to scale image with aspect ratio to make it bigger?
Jan 08 09:31:59 <squ>             android:scaleType="fitCenter"
Jan 08 09:32:00 <StingRay_> scaleType
Jan 08 09:32:00 <squ> :)
Jan 08 09:32:09 <squ> thank you :)
Jan 08 09:32:16 <StingRay_> dammit
Jan 08 09:32:17 <squ> <Button can be scaled in such way?
Jan 08 09:32:32 <StingRay_> imageButton...yeah
Jan 08 09:33:08 <StingRay_> centerInside is also uniform scale
Jan 08 09:33:10 <StingRay_> ?
Jan 08 09:33:24 <squ> no idea?
Jan 08 09:37:21 <squ> do you happen to know that:
Jan 08 09:37:23 <squ> 08:34 <JakeWharton> <Button style="@style/Widget.Sherlock.Something.ActionItem"/>
Jan 08 09:37:24 <squ> ?
Jan 08 09:41:22 <anli> Does a button use a drawable that contains margins?
Jan 08 09:45:26 <monkyfoniks> just made the switch to IntelliJ, but i get compile error at setContentView for something completely unrelated. java: cannot access View
Jan 08 09:45:27 <monkyfoniks>   class file for View not found
Jan 08 09:45:48 <monkyfoniks> i have no idea how to resolve something that is not wrong
Jan 08 09:46:40 <deebo> does your project have the android facet
Jan 08 09:46:43 <deebo> and sdk
Jan 08 09:52:37 <DOSP> Guys, tell me, why when i change ID of button, it totally ruins the alingnment of all objects ??
Jan 08 09:53:20 <StingRay_> dependancies on that id ? like relative Align stuff ?
Jan 08 09:53:32 <StingRay_> kinda hard to speculate without context
Jan 08 09:53:59 <linuxuz3r> im out guys later
Jan 08 09:56:10 <belgianguy> I was planning on building a kiosk for the local surfing/sailing recreation domain, and am giving Android some thought
Jan 08 09:56:38 <belgianguy> most likely it'll be a x86 box, but that doesn't have to be a problem as x86 images exist
Jan 08 09:57:13 <belgianguy> the problem would rather be locking people only to certain apps, so they can only work with 3 apps say
Jan 08 09:57:34 <belgianguy> I heard I could enforce such thing by writing my own launcher, but didn't really get what that meant
Jan 08 09:57:51 <belgianguy> and how that would allow me to define what apps a user can and cannot use
Jan 08 10:00:00 <Night_Raven> belgianguy, probably writing your own launcher will give you the ability to show only the apps you want them to use and hide others
Jan 08 10:00:31 <\0x90\> Hey guys. First time android developer. Have a question. I'm heaving trouble getting the whole picture on how android apps work. Anyway.. i have a button which calls an activity. On that activity you can configure the app... that activity also have a buttonn which opens a listview, with multiple choices on which you click. when you press "return" on phone it closes the listview and the choices are lost. can anyone point me on part
Jan 08 10:00:32 <\0x90\>  of the documentation that explains how to do something like this ..or give me some short explanation about it ?
Jan 08 10:01:09 <belgianguy> Night_Raven: ah, that makes sense, I'll investigate the custom launcher
Jan 08 10:01:30 <\0x90\> i mean.. to 'preserve' the choices.. in some array or something, after closing listview. so the choice data becomes available on activity which launched the listview
Jan 08 10:01:41 <boomrx> \0x90\,
Jan 08 10:01:49 <boomrx> try startactivitforresult()
Jan 08 10:01:58 <Night_Raven> belgianguy, remember ADW launcher is opensource, you can modify it so it fits your needs
Jan 08 10:02:01 <StingRay_> and onActivityResult
Jan 08 10:02:22 <\0x90\> boomrx,  StingRay_, ok thank you guys.
Jan 08 10:02:40 <belgianguy> Night_Raven: ah, didn't know that, thanks! am currently thinking whether to make a custom launcher or to just have one app active all the time
Jan 08 10:03:17 <Night_Raven> belgianguy, i think making your own launcher from scratch can be a torture
Jan 08 10:03:26 <Night_Raven> better see if you can modify ADW Launcher
Jan 08 10:06:19 <belgianguy> well, I'll be ... seems Samsung thought about this already, http://developer.samsung.com/android/technical-docs/Neat-tricks-when-implementing-a-kiosk-app
Jan 08 10:06:35 <belgianguy> you can put an app as your launcher as well it seems
Jan 08 10:06:43 <belgianguy> and then prevent the user from exiting
Jan 08 10:06:46 <Night_Raven> belgianguy, you mean Samsung thought about making a launcher?
Jan 08 10:06:55 <belgianguy> Night_Raven: Kiosk mode:)
Jan 08 10:07:04 <Night_Raven> hmm
Jan 08 10:07:14 <Night_Raven> unfortunately Samsung also thought of making their own launcher
Jan 08 10:07:19 <Night_Raven> TouchWiz
Jan 08 10:07:32 <Night_Raven> no matter how much I love Samsung, TouchWiz is horrible
Jan 08 10:08:30 <belgianguy> Night_Raven: it is, bloaty and not useful
Jan 08 10:08:34 <belgianguy> stock ftw
Jan 08 10:10:03 <belgianguy> what are the odds that a (Chinese :/) touchscreen will work with an X86 Android installation?
Jan 08 10:10:17 <belgianguy> are there a lot of touch protocols out there, or just a handful?
Jan 08 10:20:46 <anli> Is there another way of reading a webpage from an URLConnection than reading line by line? I just want a string of the whole webpage
Jan 08 10:23:09 <timroes> anli: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/309424/read-convert-an-inputstream-to-a-string
Jan 08 10:23:35 <anli> thx
Jan 08 10:23:39 <Udmurt> Hi! How to use Log.* in Authenticator class? It just want write info to console. From other classes of my app Log.* works fine.
Jan 08 10:51:11 <weox> hello . i have java experience and C, and  i am linux geek , my problem is my weak pc hardware , i cant run android emulator very well ( it has very very very delay and incredibly slow),i love android and i want to dive into develop android app , my question : is logical i develop app in eclipse and run and debug in android device ?? (i dont want run emulator)
Jan 08 10:52:02 <weox> and i am sorry for my bad language !! and thanks for your help
Jan 08 10:54:50 <Zuarko> it's a real environment, nothing bad about it :)
Jan 08 10:57:30 <Ge0rG> weox: yeah, it is much better to develop with a real phone
Jan 08 10:57:55 <Ge0rG> weox: you still can use the emulator to see how it looks on different screens
Jan 08 10:59:19 <Ge0rG> oops, gone with the wind
Jan 08 11:00:21 <Takis_GR> hello. I have LG Optinus One (P500) with Oxygen rom. How can install official LG rom???
Jan 08 11:04:13 <p_l> Takis_GR: #android-root
Jan 08 11:05:15 <DeadSix27> i forgot the way to make zips beeing installed on recovery boot
Jan 08 11:05:23 <DeadSix27> anyone can give me more infos?
Jan 08 11:08:10 <p_l> DeadSix27: #android-root
Jan 08 11:08:44 <superfluous> can anyone help me out with a (probably basic) problem?
Jan 08 11:08:46 <DeadSix27> i found it out anyway :)
Jan 08 11:09:02 <superfluous> I'm coming from an iOS background, whether or not it makes a difference
Jan 08 11:09:35 <DeadSix27> also mixed up dev with root, "developing" is too spacious, could be anythin
Jan 08 11:10:57 <superfluous> I have a view being reused (a table cell) that has an onTouchListener. Sometimes I want to disable it. In my getView for my ListAdapter, I am doing setOnTouchListener(null), but it doesnt seem to be removing it
Jan 08 11:11:11 <superfluous> how would I go about removing the listener?
Jan 08 11:16:53 <superfluous> do I have to make a redundant View.OnClickListener() { onTouch { do nothing} }?
Jan 08 11:23:07 <Zuarko> you can also add code in the listener that let it know if it should do the click-code
Jan 08 11:23:31 <superfluous> well sure, but why does that have to be necessary?
Jan 08 11:24:23 <Zuarko> are you sure that the null listener doesn't work?
Jan 08 11:24:48 <Zuarko> I'm not quite sure but I remember using it
Jan 08 11:24:58 <Zuarko> and as far as I remember it worked
Jan 08 11:25:54 <superfluous> Well my code is setting it to null; and after that its never set... but then when I touch it, it still responds (with the view at the memory address that I had just removed it from)
Jan 08 11:29:53 <Zuarko> but (I may have misunderstood it) if you remove the object from the adapter, it will not execute the code from de getView method so it may not call the setOnTouchListener(null)
Jan 08 11:31:39 <ahhughes_> hey guys.. I have an xml layout file that I am using in a ArrayAdapter.. However, I want to re-use the same xml layout file outside the ListView... just a single instance of 'my_layout' within the activities layout. How can I do this?
Jan 08 11:35:22 <ahhughes_> oh and I want the instance of the view created in java code not xml.
Jan 08 11:38:08 <ahhughes_> actually scrap all that! There is an easier explanation...
Jan 08 11:39:20 <ahhughes_> The activity view contains <View /> and within that I want to add a button programatically.... perhaps I dont need a <View /> but something else. Help would be sweet
Jan 08 11:41:08 <superfluous> Zuarko: it's definitely calling getView; I'm logging that, and printing the memory addresses
Jan 08 11:41:57 <superfluous> its like [0, 1, 2] and then keyboard comes up [3, 2], put keyboard down [3, 2, 4]. Where 3 is the view that begins touchable, until it becomes the first in the index
Jan 08 11:41:59 <superfluous> i wonder if that makes sense
Jan 08 11:42:55 <superfluous> whatever, it worked when I put in an 'enabled' flag
Jan 08 11:43:28 <superfluous> I don't want to grumble about iOS vs android.... but this solution just feels...dirty
Jan 08 11:48:29 <weox> i ask this quastion a hour ago , but i lost my connection and cant read the answer . sorry : hello . i have java experience and C, and  i am linux geek , my problem is my weak pc hardware , i cant run android emulator very well ( it has very very very delay and incredibly slow),i love android and i want to dive into develop android app , my question : is logical i develop app in eclipse and run and debug in android device ?? (i dont want run emulator)
Jan 08 11:48:29 <weox> ..and i am sorry for my bad language !! and thanks for your help
Jan 08 11:49:01 <deebo> you can plug in a device and "run on device" in eclipse
Jan 08 11:51:15 <Zuarko> weox: no problem, it's a real environment, the best environment :)
Jan 08 11:53:12 <weox> deebo , Zuarko : thanks a lot . i just want to sure before buying really device for doing this !! thanks and i start today with buying a mid range device !!
Jan 08 11:53:43 <deebo> get a galaxy nexus if you can find one
Jan 08 11:53:54 <deebo> price has dropped alot and it's still quite high end
Jan 08 11:54:01 <deebo> and a "reference" phone
Jan 08 11:55:53 <weox> deebo : thanks
Jan 08 11:57:36 <weox> deebo : sorry for distrubing . in device without Nexus name , like sony xperia or htc desire and ... , can i tweak android and run pure android and install update myself ?? or i just can install what company provide for me ??
Jan 08 11:58:15 <Zuarko> superfluous: I misunderstood :)
Jan 08 12:01:48 <deebo> weox: you can't really run AOSP (the "vanilla android") on anything but nexus devices, some ports (cyanogenmod) exist for others
Jan 08 12:02:02 <deebo> I'd just get a nexus phone
Jan 08 12:02:36 <Ge0rG> oops. if I change the screen brightness to 0 with window.setAttributes(), it is still not quite turned off.
Jan 08 12:10:02 <Zuarko> superfluous: if you can paste code maybe someone could help a little more
Jan 08 12:15:40 <thepoosh> Hi guys, is there a way to prevent a ListView from reusing a single element?
Jan 08 12:20:23 <Tee_Pee> heya folks
Jan 08 12:21:05 <Tee_Pee> quick question - between android 2.x.x and 3.0 if I recall correctly, AsyncTasks will run on a thread pool executor, i.e. parallel to each other by default.
Jan 08 12:21:29 <Tee_Pee> They reverted this in Honeycomb, allowing instead for the THREAD_POOL_EXECUTOR to be specified for parallel processing.
Jan 08 12:21:59 <Tee_Pee> My question is - is it possible to force a single-pool (non-parallel) execution of asynctasks on the versions where parallel happens by default?
Jan 08 12:22:11 <Tee_Pee> i.e. can I specifically tell it to NOT be parallel?
Jan 08 12:22:48 <bubbleguuum> If you incluse the AsyncTask class from ICS into your 2.x project and use that, you can
Jan 08 12:22:55 <bubbleguuum> *include
Jan 08 12:23:05 <bubbleguuum> the class is small
Jan 08 12:26:31 <Tee_Pee> just found that... guess that is good enough
Jan 08 12:26:32 <Tee_Pee> thanks
Jan 08 12:26:47 <Tee_Pee> so wait... essentially this means that
Jan 08 12:26:59 <Tee_Pee> if I build against API Level  17
Jan 08 12:27:10 <Tee_Pee> and have my owwn AsyncTask that extends the AsyncTask in that build
Jan 08 12:27:14 <Tee_Pee> it will work as I intend?
Jan 08 12:29:39 <bubbleguuum> yes, instead of using the standard android.os.AsyncTask, use the copy in your package
Jan 08 12:32:33 <bubbleguuum> bonus: you will not be dependent on future potential AsyncTask changes in behaviour (like the infamous default executor change in 3.0)
Jan 08 12:32:58 <belgianguy> well look at that, it's one of those days where I can just muck about in the makefiles and actually fix the problem
Jan 08 12:33:02 <belgianguy> who would've thought
Jan 08 12:33:24 <Tee_Pee> thanks bubble
Jan 08 12:37:50 <remorema> hi eveeryone
Jan 08 12:38:26 <remorema> can anyome help me out setting asec folder via fstab on ics ?
Jan 08 12:40:49 <droidbuster> java.lang.ClassCastException: android.telephony.cdma.CdmaCellLocation cannot be cast to android.telephony.gsm.GsmCellLocation
Jan 08 12:41:09 <funkbox> that pretty much tells you what's wrong
Jan 08 12:41:14 <droidbuster> Wtf what is the cdma eqiv for ics and jb
Jan 08 12:43:23 <bubbleguuum> Tee_Pee: there is a modification that must be done to ICS AsyncTask since the SerialExecutor inner class has a GingerBread+ API call. look here for my solution providing a SerialExecutor on pre-GB: http://bubbleguuum.free.fr/asynctask/
Jan 08 12:43:44 <remorema> back... f... app freezed
Jan 08 12:44:18 <remorema> anyone please that can help me add a line in fstab to bind asec dir ?
Jan 08 12:45:39 <remorema> I have changed sdcard and flash sucessfully and now have external sdcard as  primary, and internal sdcard as secondary
Jan 08 12:46:27 <remorema> but no matter what ive tried asec folder stays in primary
Jan 08 12:46:47 <remorema> all I need to do is move it to secondary
Jan 08 12:47:52 <remorema> eiither that or bind /data/app to /sdcard/external_sdcard
Jan 08 12:48:10 <remorema> anyone????
Jan 08 12:58:11 <remorema> please?
Jan 08 12:58:57 <timroes> remorema: head to #android-root for that question
Jan 08 12:59:24 <remorema> tks mate
Jan 08 13:02:01 <anli> Will "/sdcard/" + context.getPackageName() be created automatically?
Jan 08 13:06:24 <Zharf> no
Jan 08 13:07:07 <Zharf> use context.getExternalFilesDir() or context.getExternalCacheDir()
Jan 08 13:07:25 <Zharf> but those aren't created automatically either, afaik
Jan 08 13:07:53 <Zharf> but that's what you'd want to use I guess if you were thinking of that in the first place
Jan 08 13:08:22 <remorema> Zharf can you pleease check this line to see if it works?
Jan 08 13:09:02 <Zharf> what line?
Jan 08 13:09:19 <remorema> this /mnt/sdcard/external_sdcard /mnt/asec none bind 0 0
Jan 08 13:09:49 <remorema> its supossed to bind asec directory to external sd
Jan 08 13:10:34 <Zharf> not sure if you can do that because sdcard is usually fat... unless you make it something else
Jan 08 13:10:56 <Zharf> but again, #android-root?
Jan 08 13:11:11 <remorema> no one there to help :(
Jan 08 13:11:46 <remorema> reeboot
Jan 08 13:16:02 <navlelo_> are there anyone with experience using the PKI stuff here? Could you take a look at this please http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14213668/decryption-result-using-rsa-differs-in-plain-java-and-android?
Jan 08 13:32:12 <Udmurt> I'm writing Authenticator and need to show user an error message (toast preferred way). How to do it? And why AccountManager don't do it for me via AccountAuthenticatorResponse response.onError or via errorBundle.putString(AccountManager.KEY_ERROR_MESSAGE, … ?
Jan 08 13:57:16 <slax0r> hello, we're developing and app that spawns a background service, and after some time this service gets killer by activity manager with message, no longer want, and right after it gets scheduled for a restart, which would take in 15.000.000 ms, what determines that restart time? can I speed it up?
Jan 08 14:00:13 <lime> hey hey, i'm quite new to java and got some questions about the use of classes
Jan 08 14:00:32 <lime> someone with patience around? :)
Jan 08 14:01:28 <balls2thewall> ##java
Jan 08 14:02:18 <lime> fair enough
Jan 08 14:03:08 <lov> lime: you might want to try #java for java specific questions
Jan 08 14:03:23 <lov> though we can generally answer quick one-off questions
Jan 08 14:03:51 <lov> slax0r: read the Service documentation.
Jan 08 14:04:02 <lime> well, this project is aimed for android, but right now i'm just getting to learn the basics
Jan 08 14:04:28 <lov> in that case, http://developer.android.com/training/index.html
Jan 08 14:04:51 <lime> nice, i'll keep that for later
Jan 08 14:05:15 <lime> right now i've actually got a quite nice script going
Jan 08 14:05:55 <lime> but now i need the object oriented part of java to make life easier for me
Jan 08 14:06:03 <lime> (i know it can do it, just dunno how)
Jan 08 14:06:05 <lime> hehe
Jan 08 14:06:41 <lime> i basically just wanna immitate functions from php ..or javascript
Jan 08 14:11:13 <lov> that's probably not what you want to do.
Jan 08 14:11:52 <lov> ignoring the "php is a fractal of bad design" bit, java is a strongly typed compiled language while javascript is a weakly typed interpreted language
Jan 08 14:11:58 <lov> you generally want to go about your stuff in different ways
Jan 08 14:12:35 * Zharf agrees but never ignores the most awesome blog post of last year
Jan 08 14:12:44 <lov> well that's fair.
Jan 08 14:12:55 <lov> lime: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
Jan 08 14:12:59 <lime> yeah.. i'm trying to ignore what i've learnt earlier
Jan 08 14:12:59 <Zharf> :)
Jan 08 14:13:02 <lov> if you haven't read that yet, you should.
Jan 08 14:13:08 <lov> but that's not really relevant to what you're trying to do
Jan 08 14:13:09 <lime> i'll check it out
Jan 08 14:13:22 <lov> tl;dr php is literally the worst possible programming language
Jan 08 14:13:31 <lime> well, not really.. i was kind of just using it as an example of explaining what i want it to do :D
Jan 08 14:13:36 <lov> (well, ok, maybe VB is the worst but w/e)
Jan 08 14:13:37 <Zharf> my google play developer console application stats haven't updated for today yet :o
Jan 08 14:13:41 <lov> right
Jan 08 14:13:55 <lov> java and javascript have different models of doing things, and you should consider thinking in java
Jan 08 14:14:06 <lime> that was the plan
Jan 08 14:14:09 <Zharf> not the book, but that's ok too ;;)
Jan 08 14:14:16 <lov> You MAY wish to go to http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
Jan 08 14:14:28 <lov> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html is an important primer
Jan 08 14:14:30 <lime> well, i did go through a couple of tutorials
Jan 08 14:14:35 <lov> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/index.html a little later
Jan 08 14:15:00 <lov> suffice to say, you really need to GET OOP to use Java effectively
Jan 08 14:15:29 <lime> the thing is, i've gotten quite far (compared to previous attempts), but now i need to get into the OOP part
Jan 08 14:15:47 <lime> and it's like my head just resists to get into it
Jan 08 14:15:48 <lime> :D
Jan 08 14:16:48 <lov> well, take a look at http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/index.html
Jan 08 14:16:54 <lime> but alright, i'll check out the links
Jan 08 14:18:25 <lov> OOP is one of the, if not the most important concept in programming, and you really need to understand it even if you don't use it in a particular language
Jan 08 14:18:32 <lov> in Java, everything is an Object; OO is completely inescapable
Jan 08 14:19:30 * lime shivers
Jan 08 14:19:55 <lime> i've been cheating myself in sticking with 'easier' languages in the past, like javascript and mirc scripting
Jan 08 14:20:17 <lime> because java just seems like too big of a mouthful
Jan 08 14:20:29 <lime> but for some reason i'm a bit more open towards it nwo
Jan 08 14:20:30 <lime> *now
Jan 08 14:23:53 <droidbuster> What do i use with cdmacelllocation when in ics and jb
Jan 08 14:25:10 <lov> idk, a computer?
Jan 08 14:25:26 <lov> lime: javascript isn't an "easier" language but it is different, and in some ways more forgiving.
Jan 08 14:29:38 <lime> maaan, this superclass thing is probably the hardest part for my head to get around
Jan 08 14:30:14 <lime> but i'm slowly getting a better understanding of what it is i need to do
Jan 08 14:30:43 <lov> well, feel free to ask for help in #java bout OOP.
Jan 08 14:31:29 <lime> yeah, well.. i was afraid of jumping on irc to begin with cause I'm not 100% sure what the question is i need to ask :D
Jan 08 14:31:29 <Zharf> tried updating my IDEA license from the link in IDEA: http://eclipser.xmms2.org/idea.png :p
Jan 08 14:40:48 <lime> public static void main(String args[]){ <-- this method (?) is universal, right? or would it look different for android?
Jan 08 14:44:57 <Zharf> lime, an Activity's onCreate() is most often the entry point for android applications
Jan 08 14:45:00 <Zharf> main is never used
Jan 08 14:45:29 <lov> for the sake of android, the "main" entry point is never used.
Jan 08 14:47:17 <lime> i see, but are they similar?
Jan 08 14:47:48 <lime> i mean, can i write it in 'normal java' to begin with and then simply change a couple of things here and there afterwards.. and then have it working on android?
Jan 08 14:48:02 <droidbuster> No what i was asking gsmcelllocation uses getcid but what does cdmacelllocation use in ics and jb
Jan 08 14:48:05 <lov> no
Jan 08 14:48:09 <lov> not at all
Jan 08 14:48:17 <lov> the activity lifecycle is completely different
Jan 08 14:48:30 <lime> oh :(
Jan 08 14:48:44 <lov> Android is a very different framework than what you'd be used to with traditional java
Jan 08 14:49:08 <lov> the APIs are (more or less) the same, but the actual application lifecycle is different.
Jan 08 14:49:28 <lov> For example, on the desktop, your application runs until it either crashes or ends itself.
Jan 08 14:49:39 <lov> In android, your application runs until the system decides that it doesn't need to run anymore.
Jan 08 14:49:47 <squ> how to overlap two textViews
Jan 08 14:49:54 <lime> hmm, interesting
Jan 08 14:50:06 <lov> squ: RelativeLayout?
Jan 08 14:50:13 <squ> lov, ok.. and?
Jan 08 14:50:18 <lime> so i guess i should read about these life cycles as well
Jan 08 14:50:25 <lov> yes, absolutely
Jan 08 14:50:25 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
Jan 08 14:50:30 <lov> This is just for Activities
Jan 08 14:50:37 <lov> there are also lifecycles for Services and other context components
Jan 08 14:50:59 <lime> alright
Jan 08 14:51:02 <lov> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
Jan 08 14:51:05 <lime> this just gets better and better :D
Jan 08 14:51:10 <squ> put one text, above another, supply negative marginBottom ?
Jan 08 14:51:47 <lime> however, i guess this whole classes and subclasses part is still needed
Jan 08 14:52:16 <lov> squ: have both texts relative to the same thing
Jan 08 14:52:26 <lov> e.g. both have alignBelow of the same element
Jan 08 14:52:56 <balls2thewall> >android
Jan 08 14:52:58 <balls2thewall> >working
Jan 08 14:53:00 <balls2thewall> good one
Jan 08 14:53:21 <lov> thanks.
Jan 08 14:54:16 <balls2thewall> anyway, i had a few questions about linear layouts, rather that "weight" property. what exactly does it represent? the dev. page doesnt explain it in great detail :/
Jan 08 14:55:03 <clever> balls2thewall: i think that an item with a weight of 2, will have twice the size of an item with a weight of 1
Jan 08 14:55:43 <balls2thewall> i assumed they were direct proportions of objects but that isnt the case :/
Jan 08 14:55:59 <balls2thewall> what about objects that have a 0<x<1 weight
Jan 08 14:56:13 <clever> i thought it was just an int
Jan 08 14:56:19 <belgianguy> is there a android terminal command one can use to list the internal hardware?
Jan 08 14:56:47 <belgianguy> I'd like to find out some hardware properties of a device
Jan 08 14:56:48 <Zharf> lime, you should have at least basic knowledge of java before trying to do android stuff, but after that I would recommend reading the training stuff and some of the api guides (at least app components, user interface and app resources) stuff on d.android.com
Jan 08 14:56:51 <clever> balls2thewall: 'adb shell pm list features' lists some of them
Jan 08 14:56:53 <balls2thewall> im reworking some terrible layouts and the view weights have commas
Jan 08 14:57:07 <Zharf> lime, then you can read more as you run into things that you need to do :)
Jan 08 14:57:23 <squ> lov, what if I want not to overlap, but have one element on top of another, but very-very close :)
Jan 08 14:58:03 <lov> squ: then you figure it out, idk.
Jan 08 14:58:07 <lov> go play with margins
Jan 08 14:58:10 <Zharf> I guess it took me around a month to really get started with android dev, but I hadn't used java for anything for around 4 years before that :p
Jan 08 14:58:11 <lov> alternately, create your own viewgroup
Jan 08 14:58:12 <lov> or your own view
Jan 08 14:58:14 <clever> balls2thewall: for mine, it lists the bluetooth, camera (including auto focus and which side its on), mike, screen orientation, sensors (accel, gyro light proxymity), touch screen features, usb (hmmm wait, it says host, i should try that again!)
Jan 08 14:58:24 <Zharf> but java's easy...
Jan 08 14:58:24 <clever> wifi, and it claims to support live wallpapers
Jan 08 14:58:33 <balls2thewall> >belgianguy
Jan 08 14:59:33 <belgianguy> balls2thewall: yes?
Jan 08 14:59:51 <belgianguy> or clever, did you meant me?
Jan 08 15:00:06 <ashakunt> ping.. can any one let me know what is the real difference between the CPU% reported by top and the % usage reported by adb shell dumpsys cpuinfo ??
Jan 08 15:00:15 <clever> balls2thewall: oops, too many b names!
Jan 08 15:01:14 <belgianguy> clever: is that just stock info? or an app?
Jan 08 15:01:41 <clever> belgianguy: not sure where the info comes from exactly, but i'm using the package manager command to get it
Jan 08 15:02:14 <belgianguy> clever: and what is that command?
Jan 08 15:02:23 <clever> belgianguy: 'adb shell pm list features' lists some of them
Jan 08 15:02:44 <belgianguy> and does adb exist on a phone as well, or just on a pc ?
Jan 08 15:03:10 <belgianguy> (I'm talking to someone in x86 channel, who can't hear sound)
Jan 08 15:03:13 <timroes> belgianguy: adb doesn't exist on phone, but adb shell just opens a shell to the phone, so you can just execute pm list features on the phone
Jan 08 15:03:14 <squ> lov, one of TextViews paints on top of another TextView in such way that its not transparent, tried background:#00 00 00 00.. but it doesn't help
Jan 08 15:03:40 <clever> timroes: if i run 'adb' on a phone, it gives the exact same info as on a desktop
Jan 08 15:03:57 <clever> timroes: and from what ive seen in the source, 'adb' handles the protocol at both ends, with the exact same source
Jan 08 15:04:06 <squ> in other words, textview's bounding rectangle fills with white another text view
Jan 08 15:04:29 <timroes> clever: but there is no device connected to your device again
Jan 08 15:04:38 <timroes> adb devices gives me an empty list on my device
Jan 08 15:05:03 <clever> timroes: yeah, i tried using an OTG cable to debug a second device from the first, but the vid/pid pair wasnt configured
Jan 08 15:05:10 <clever> belgianguy: try 'pm list features' then
Jan 08 15:06:54 <belgianguy> thanks clever and timroes, suggested that he try that
Jan 08 15:07:08 <timroes> belgianguy: I anyway guess you are more searching, for hardware information and not the features, the deviec supports?
Jan 08 15:07:44 <belgianguy> timroes: yeah this guy has sound issues in his VM, Android-X86 doesn't play with his Sound Blaster 16
Jan 08 15:08:07 <belgianguy> But that's out of my league as well, was just hoping to find some debugging tips I'll need myself soon enough :)
Jan 08 15:08:11 <timroes> android has the /proc directory, where you could dig in for information
Jan 08 15:08:23 <timroes> e.g. cat /proc/asound/cards
Jan 08 15:08:44 <belgianguy> timroes: ah! nice to know
Jan 08 15:08:51 <timroes> but if he is trying to build some x86 android in a vm I would suggest, he didn't build the right sound driver :)
Jan 08 15:09:43 <ashakunt> timroes, clever (and others) : can any one let me know what is the real difference between the CPU% reported by top and the % usage reported by adb shell dumpsys cpuinfo ??
Jan 08 15:09:49 <belgianguy> timroes: that's my guess as well, but "recompile thy kernel" probably might scare him :)
Jan 08 15:10:34 <belgianguy> timroes: btw, you had a touch USB monitor, right? Any idea on what protocol those things use?
Jan 08 15:10:43 <clever> belgianguy: i have had to recompile my kernel to add wifi to android-x87
Jan 08 15:10:48 <belgianguy> I've found some info on Elo Touch, but don't know if there are others
Jan 08 15:10:57 <clever> belgianguy: then i discovered, the -x86 fork, changed the default wifi device from "wlan0" to ""
Jan 08 15:10:57 <timroes> ehm lemme think back
Jan 08 15:11:05 <clever> belgianguy: so it was totaly broken!
Jan 08 15:11:31 <timroes> if I remeber right, the drivers where from the default xorg driver packages
Jan 08 15:12:49 <belgianguy> timroes: ah, no idea if those are available in the x86 package though
Jan 08 15:12:55 <belgianguy> their IRC is pretty deserted it seems
Jan 08 15:13:17 <timroes> i have noidea either, I am not much into hardware :)
Jan 08 15:13:35 <clever> belgianguy: the x86 (and even the ASOP) branches of the linux kernel still have every driver you can support under normal linux desktop machines
Jan 08 15:13:38 <clever> belgianguy: you just have to go into menuconfig and enable it
Jan 08 15:14:42 <belgianguy> clever: so the odds of x86 "just working" with that touch monitor would be okay?
Jan 08 15:15:03 <timroes> belgianguy: depends on the touch screen :)
Jan 08 15:15:03 <clever> belgianguy: dont have any touch monitors here, but i did get weird/interesting effects elsewhere
Jan 08 15:15:17 <clever> the first kernel i used, had generic ps2 support, so the touchpad on my laptop worked like a mouse
Jan 08 15:15:26 <clever> when i fixed my wifi, i enabled the full drivers for the touch pad
Jan 08 15:15:35 <clever> it morphed into a touch-screen
Jan 08 15:15:51 <clever> a 2 inch wide touch-screen, for a 14" display
Jan 08 15:16:00 <clever> hard to poke the right spot...
Jan 08 15:16:01 <belgianguy> clever: lol :/
Jan 08 15:16:11 <clever> it scaled everything up
Jan 08 15:16:40 <belgianguy> It's a Chinese machine, and I told the guy who will buy the monitors to ask for the drivers
Jan 08 15:16:40 <timroes> clever: can you recommend any good board (like respbarry pi), for that android has all drivers, and that isn't locked anyhow,, so that would be good to begin with custom android development?
Jan 08 15:17:16 <clever> timroes: ive only tried 1 android build on my pi so far, it was oddly slow, and very crashy
Jan 08 15:17:27 <clever> ive had better luck with android-x86 on a regular old laptop
Jan 08 15:17:32 <timroes> thaths why i don't want to use the pi :)
Jan 08 15:17:52 <timroes> but there are so many arm boards out there, I thought there might be a good one to start developing
Jan 08 15:18:13 <clever> timroes: i say, fix the build of android on the pi!
Jan 08 15:18:28 <clever> youll do the community a service, and learn how to fix a port of android!
Jan 08 15:18:33 <timroes> but its slow?
Jan 08 15:18:46 <timroes> pi hasn't the best hardware specs for android I would say
Jan 08 15:19:10 <clever> the user-space RPC bridge is open-source now, so you could maybe implement gpu accel for drawing
Jan 08 15:19:35 <clever> and there are ways to 'packet sniff' that rpc bridge, to analyze how existing libs use it
Jan 08 15:19:44 <timroes> yeah thats the perfect starting point, if you have never compiled an android :D
Jan 08 15:20:19 <timroes> i want to learn compiling android and modifying it, not to fix some stuff to get it run on hardware, its not meant to be
Jan 08 15:20:21 <clever> yeah, the first step would be to reproduce it, just take the source as-is, and build a slow&buggy copy
Jan 08 15:20:42 <timroes> short, you don't know any special good device for that, so i go searching the internet further :)
Jan 08 15:20:58 <clever> timroes: http://www.android-x86.org/getsourcecode this is where i learned how to build android from source
Jan 08 15:21:19 <timroes> yeah i know how to learn it, but i need hardware :)
Jan 08 15:21:23 <clever> but youll likely be using the pi branch, ran by somebody else
Jan 08 15:21:34 <belgianguy> clever: you said something about enabling stuff in menuconfig, but what exactly is that?
Jan 08 15:21:51 <clever> belgianguy: normal linux kernel options
Jan 08 15:22:07 <belgianguy> clever: reminds me of something grub related
Jan 08 15:22:08 <clever> belgianguy: just cd into the kernel dir and run 'make menuconfig'
Jan 08 15:22:44 <clever> belgianguy: http://www.android-x86.org/documents/customizekernel
Jan 08 15:23:10 <belgianguy> timroes: dang, my old tower is x64 amd
Jan 08 15:23:15 <belgianguy> so no go there
Jan 08 15:23:23 <belgianguy> thx clever
Jan 08 15:24:24 <timroes> belgianguy: isn't x86 a subset of x64?
Jan 08 15:24:47 <timroes> my technical CS class is already so long ago, and I wasn't so interested :D
Jan 08 15:24:54 <belgianguy> timroes: yeah, true, I've installed 32bit in 64bit OS's
Jan 08 15:25:50 <clever> belgianguy: all 64 bit cpu's still start up in 16bit real-mode, dos style
Jan 08 15:25:59 <clever> backwards compat
Jan 08 15:26:22 <belgianguy> clever: you sure know your stuff :) thanks
Jan 08 15:26:35 <Ge0rG> yay for the A20 gate!
Jan 08 15:26:42 <belgianguy> so I've found my patient for my Frankendroid
Jan 08 15:27:10 <clever> Ge0rG: A20 gate is what actualy let people hack the old xbox
Jan 08 15:27:27 <maslen> timroes: They're not. They're two different instruction sets. Newer processors support both :)
Jan 08 15:27:42 <clever> Ge0rG: by using the A20 gate, you could change one of the higher address bits, and force it to never read the secure boot rom
Jan 08 15:28:19 <timroes> maslen: are there any x64 processors, that doesn't support x86?
Jan 08 15:28:48 <belgianguy> tbh, that 64 bit AMD is running XP, and I'm pretty sure it aint 64 bits
Jan 08 15:28:50 <maslen> I think itanium might fit into that one
Jan 08 15:29:21 <Ge0rG> clever: yeah, thats also one of my favorite bits of information. taken together with the intel-only IP wraparound at the end of the cpu's address space
Jan 08 15:30:21 <Ge0rG> clever: you watched the ccc presentation?
Jan 08 15:30:38 <clever> Ge0rG: i read a pdf on the 17 mistakes microsoft made
Jan 08 15:30:43 <evident> hi everybody! Does anybody have an idea how it's possible to install an application as a second user on a tablet from the local SD card?
Jan 08 15:30:49 <maslen> timroes: It doesn't have x86 or x86-64 - it has IA-64. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Architecture
Jan 08 15:31:29 <Ge0rG> clever: yeah, there was also a talk by michael steil at CCC with the same title
Jan 08 15:31:47 <timroes> maslen: oh gosh so many hardware stuff :D
Jan 08 15:31:50 <timroes> i want to go back to java :D
Jan 08 15:33:29 <belgianguy> so technically I could add Android as a triple boot option?
Jan 08 15:33:36 <belgianguy> XP / Ubuntu / Android
Jan 08 15:40:37 <timroes> i guess i searched a board like that: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931 :)
Jan 08 15:40:56 <BrixSat> Hey
Jan 08 15:42:05 <belgianguy> timroes: what brand of touch monitor did you have?
Jan 08 15:42:55 <belgianguy> seems friend has to pay a lot of postage for the Chinese device, so he might get one here, and then I might as well find one that works :)
Jan 08 15:43:04 <timroes> belgianguy: i guess we use this one http://www.amazon.de/Faytech-FT0070TMB-Touchscreen-Monitor-Reaktionszeit/dp/B004TIURHK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357659763&sr=8-2
Jan 08 15:44:23 <BrixSat> Hello im having a problem with these 3 lines of code, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1509808/ (error i get is  unable to create mediaplayer)
Jan 08 15:46:27 <timroes> BrixSat: (a) which line exactly (b) pastebin the logcat (c) that are 4 lines ;)
Jan 08 15:46:49 <evident> Is there a way to install signed apps via Eclipse with USB connection? Or can I just install the unsigned package from there?
Jan 08 15:47:16 <BrixSat> timroes:  the app does not crash. it keeps on but in log i have that error
Jan 08 15:47:28 <timroes> evident: if you just run the app in debug mode it gets signed with your debug key and uploaded to the device
Jan 08 15:48:00 <BrixSat> timroes:       15:38:04.662   3059   com.go.int   ERROR   MediaPlayer   Unable to to create media player
Jan 08 15:49:35 <BrixSat> timroes: none of my trycatch is gettint that error i just attend to see it in the logcart
Jan 08 15:49:39 <evident> timroes: but is it also possible with the release key? I mean I can build a signed apk for release, but can't install it from SD card, because I am testing it on a second user profile on a tablet... and there I am not allowed to install from SD
Jan 08 15:50:14 <timroes> evident: then I don't know, eclispe question I dont use eclispe :)
Jan 08 15:52:21 <DammitJim> what version of QR Codes can Android currently scan?
Jan 08 15:52:31 <matteo> hi all
Jan 08 15:52:38 <matteo> what if I store R.id.XXX somewhere?
Jan 08 15:52:44 <matteo> will it change in the next few build?
Jan 08 15:52:52 <timroes> DammitJim: depends on the scanner you are using
Jan 08 15:53:03 <timroes> matteo: it might change every time you compile
Jan 08 15:53:08 <DammitJim> maybe I'm not understanding what the API provides...
Jan 08 15:53:26 <timroes> DammitJim: what api exactly
Jan 08 15:54:22 <DammitJim> I was thinking about API version 8
Jan 08 15:54:39 <DammitJim> so, for devices running Froyo and up
Jan 08 15:55:31 <timroes> link to the api part you mean
Jan 08 15:56:47 <DammitJim> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-sdk-element.html just going with the table there
Jan 08 15:56:51 <DammitJim> for Froyo
Jan 08 15:57:29 <timroes> DammitJim: you have some code lines with which you want to scan qr codes... link to the docuemntation of these code lines
Jan 08 15:57:31 <timroes> or paste the code lines
Jan 08 15:57:35 <DammitJim> so, maybe I'm asking the wrong question... to use a QR code scanner, is there a readily available module/app that I can call to do that for me?
Jan 08 15:57:48 <DammitJim> timroes, no code, yet... trying to write the spec
Jan 08 15:57:53 <timroes> yeah okay...
Jan 08 15:57:58 <timroes> android cannot scan qr codes directly
Jan 08 15:58:08 <timroes> http://code.google.com/p/zxing/
Jan 08 15:58:15 <DammitJim> ok, so I need the assistance of another app?
Jan 08 15:58:17 <timroes> you can use that to scan qr codes
Jan 08 15:58:36 <timroes> i recommend scanning via intents http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/ScanningViaIntent
Jan 08 15:58:58 <DammitJim> oh ok, and that zxing for example will tell me the qr code version that it can scan
Jan 08 15:58:59 <DammitJim> got it
Jan 08 15:59:20 <DammitJim> thanks, yeah... intents is what I was envisioning... offload some of the work from my app development efforts ;)
Jan 08 15:59:43 * BrixSat grr mediaplayer 
Jan 08 16:06:46 <kahoz> hello, can anyone help me debug this: java.lang.SecurityException: No active admin owned by uid 10045 for policy #3 ?
Jan 08 16:09:42 <lov> not really; is there any more information?
Jan 08 16:09:45 <squ> for a `new Toast`, how to align it at specific position?
Jan 08 16:09:52 <lov> squ: you don't.
Jan 08 16:10:02 <squ> it has setGravity
Jan 08 16:10:05 <squ> and margins..
Jan 08 16:10:05 <lov> and?
Jan 08 16:10:16 <lov> Play around if you want, everything you can do is in the api.
Jan 08 16:10:39 <lov> that said, Toasts are messages that you don't care if the user sees, and should arguably never be used outside of a debug build
Jan 08 16:11:00 <kahoz> lov besides this the only information i can give is the stacktrace and the involved code
Jan 08 16:11:22 <lov> That would be helpful, yes.
Jan 08 16:11:46 <lov> alternately, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10904841/avoid-securityexception-because-of-no-active-admin-owned-by
Jan 08 16:11:48 <squ> then I need an option to display custom layout on top of main layout
Jan 08 16:12:04 <lov> squ: consider using a Dialog?
Jan 08 16:12:17 <lov> alternately, use another Activity that's got a transparent background?
Jan 08 16:12:21 * lov shrugs
Jan 08 16:12:26 <squ> a dialog without buttons, with custom shape
Jan 08 16:12:48 <squ> closed, opened from main activity
Jan 08 16:13:59 <squ> lov, with transparent activity is it possible to pass click events to underlying activity
Jan 08 16:14:28 <squ> something like that was in api demos
Jan 08 16:16:29 <lov> I don't believe so. You might want to putz with the WindowManager for that then.
Jan 08 16:17:13 <squ> or copy event handler to transparent activity
Jan 08 16:17:48 <squ> in app/activity/custom dialog
Jan 08 16:19:18 <squ> that dialog can be placed anywhere on screen?
Jan 08 16:22:32 <kahoz> lov http://pastebin.com/DZaeMLsa - it blows up on live 49
Jan 08 16:22:55 <belgianguy> would it be safe to base my purchase of a touchscreen monitor for an Android X86 system on this list? http://lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices.html
Jan 08 16:23:35 <lov> kahoz: you've seen http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10904841/avoid-securityexception-because-of-no-active-admin-owned-by , yes?
Jan 08 16:23:45 <kahoz> yes
Jan 08 16:24:03 <squ> lov, have idea what he meant?
Jan 08 16:24:05 <lov> OK, because it seems to be exactly your problem
Jan 08 16:24:05 <squ> 08:34 <JakeWharton> <Button style="@style/Widget.Sherlock.Something.ActionItem"/>
Jan 08 16:24:08 <timroes> belgianguy: order it in germany, you can send stuff back here 2 weeks if you order online :)
Jan 08 16:24:15 <timroes> even if its totally ok
Jan 08 16:24:23 <kahoz> and i enabled the deviceadmin already on the device
Jan 08 16:24:39 <kahoz> (cause the app prompted me too) :)
Jan 08 16:24:40 <lov> squ: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/resources/style-resource.html
Jan 08 16:24:43 <belgianguy> timroes: ah, that's good to know :)
Jan 08 16:24:46 <lov> kahoz: not sure then, sorry.
Jan 08 16:24:53 <kahoz> thanks anyway
Jan 08 16:24:59 <squ> lov, yes, but where is ActionItem?
Jan 08 16:25:14 <belgianguy> but it was more to speed up the development time, and to not look like a fool when it doesn't work
Jan 08 16:25:20 <lov> ....
Jan 08 16:25:32 <belgianguy> those drivers have to be listed somewhere, no? SHould I go dig in AOSP?
Jan 08 16:25:35 <lov> squ: sorry, I haven't used ABS yet!
Jan 08 16:25:37 <lov> good luck!
Jan 08 16:25:43 <squ> thanks
Jan 08 16:29:15 <BrixSat> should files be acessible via  /storage/emulated/0/ (to sd card?
Jan 08 16:29:50 <lov> BrixSat: use the Environment class's methods or the relevant Context methods, don't hardcode paths.
Jan 08 16:30:19 <BrixSat> lov im not hardcoding, i just found that somewhere my app is teeling that sdcard is there
Jan 08 16:31:57 <BrixSat> lov  Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory gets me to   /storage/emulated/0/ wich using adb shell ls   /storage/emulated/0/ i get not found
Jan 08 16:33:47 <BrixSat>   Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory gets me to   /storage/emulated/0/ wich using adb shell ls   /storage/emulated/0/ i get not found :s
Jan 08 16:34:46 <BrixSat> if i hardcode /mnt/sdcard it goes well :S
Jan 08 16:35:49 <appel1> BrixSat: instead of using adb shell ls, does it work in your app to use the path from Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory ?
Jan 08 16:36:35 <BrixSat> appel1:  no it does not work mediaplayer complains about file not found and if i do file.exists(); it returns true
Jan 08 16:37:31 <appel1> BrixSat: how did you put the file on external storage?
Jan 08 16:37:42 <BrixSat> i did not put it app downloaded it
Jan 08 16:38:03 <BrixSat> appel1:  i have a thread A that downloads the file and thread B plays the file
Jan 08 16:38:15 <BrixSat> the B complains about file not found (and it is there)
Jan 08 16:41:46 <BrixSat> lov:  appel1:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1509945/
Jan 08 16:41:54 <As4xk> I have some code that is partially copied from an example i found somewhere. When i start an Activity the soft keyboard opens. The activity have three layouts, where only one (the last) contains EditText view's. I cant see any xml code that should open the keyboeard, and i done have View.requestFocus() anywhere in the code. Any idea to why the keyboard opens? (i.e. i dont want it to)
Jan 08 16:47:16 <appel1> BrixSat: can you open it yourself and read from it in thread B?
Jan 08 16:47:38 <BrixSat> appel1:  checking
Jan 08 16:49:06 <Daemon_012> Ask4xk… in your android manifest… add 'android:windowSoftInputMode="stateHidden"' to the activity to keep it from opening by default
Jan 08 16:49:16 <BrixSat> File file=new File(Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() + "/lala.avi"); file.exists(); (the file returns true is it enought?)
Jan 08 16:49:16 <Daemon_012> remove the ' ' from it
Jan 08 16:49:34 <appel1> BrixSat: looks like you might get that error if the file isn't valid
Jan 08 16:50:01 <BrixSat> appel1:  getting an error is diferent than not existing the file
Jan 08 16:50:33 <appel1> BrixSat: the error is java.io.IOException: setDataSourceFD failed
Jan 08 16:50:39 <appel1> BrixSat: that doesn't mean the file doesn't exist
Jan 08 16:51:20 <floffenv_> looking for an expert on WebView, WebViewClient...I need to be able to intercept post requests and get at the post data.  My understanding is this is not possible.
Jan 08 16:51:20 <appel1> BrixSat: perhaps the file format you use doesn't work unless the whole file is available
Jan 08 16:51:41 <BrixSat> appel1:  if o go to mediaplayer file opens nicely
Jan 08 16:52:13 <appel1> BrixSat: so you don't attempt to open it in thread B before A has finished downloading it?
Jan 08 16:57:34 <BrixSat> appel1:  seems like a coded problem :/
Jan 08 16:57:54 <BrixSat> it was opening in mxplyayer not android player (wich does not play the avi file)
Jan 08 17:00:56 <Adya> hi guys
Jan 08 17:01:26 <snooplsm> anyway to increase the actionbar's title width?
Jan 08 17:01:27 <Adya> anybody here?
Jan 08 17:01:45 <snooplsm> Adya: yea
Jan 08 17:04:56 <Adya> I'm new to developing on android... Anyone knows, what to read?)
Jan 08 17:05:05 <Zharf> d.android.com
Jan 08 17:05:17 <snooplsm> Try and solve a problem, if you can't, google it.
Jan 08 17:08:07 <capella> http://www.mkyong.com/tutorials/android-tutorial/
Jan 08 17:08:22 <capella> simple intro stuff
Jan 08 17:12:26 <Adya> capell thanks
Jan 08 17:12:42 <Adya> capella sorry ))
Jan 08 17:12:59 <capella> sure >)
Jan 08 17:13:40 <Adya> Are there any developers from Ukraine or Russia?
Jan 08 17:14:42 <canadiancow> probably
Jan 08 17:21:29 <snooplsm> ShareActionProvider really makes me mad.  I don't want to have a history.
Jan 08 17:28:46 <porten> is the gingerbread api guide still available? All I'm able to find is JB
Jan 08 17:33:57 <Daemon_012> what part of the api guide are you looking for?
Jan 08 17:34:09 <porten> Daemon_012: the settings guide
Jan 08 17:35:39 <Daemon_012> is that the reference portion? or the change log?
Jan 08 17:36:19 <porten> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/settings.html
Jan 08 17:36:26 <porten> That, but for Gingerbread
Jan 08 17:39:11 <Daemon_012> well the preference and sharedsettings classes have always been available. If you're looking for something more specific check the documentation included with the sdk for 2.3.x
Jan 08 17:42:33 <BrixSat> is there a way to add codecs to android?
Jan 08 17:50:55 <Mysoft> ok, is there an alternative to the official android virtual machine? (that still emulates ARM)
Jan 08 17:51:15 <Mysoft> because i want to try some native apps... and the official one is terrible slow
Jan 08 17:51:49 <Zharf> Mysoft, there's x86 image for it...
Jan 08 17:51:52 <Zharf> have you tried it?
Jan 08 17:51:59 <Mysoft> how a x86 android
Jan 08 17:52:04 <Mysoft> will execute my inlined asm ARM apps?
Jan 08 17:52:04 <Mysoft> :D
Jan 08 17:52:06 <Zharf> oh you want arm
Jan 08 17:52:11 <Zharf> right -.-
Jan 08 17:52:23 <clever> Mysoft: the 2.2 arm images run much faster then the 4.0 arms
Jan 08 17:52:31 <Mysoft> oh that's nice to know
Jan 08 17:52:35 <clever> but that relies on what your uses-sdk is set to
Jan 08 17:52:58 <Mysoft> i also saw this AndroVM one... but i believe this one is also x86
Jan 08 17:53:16 <Mysoft> also i tought that android was a very light
Jan 08 17:53:20 <hip2p> I'm using multiple screens to handle activity loading and no connect situations. So, one screen shows my main activity, another screen displays when the main activity is loading, and a 3rd displays when there is no internet connection. Is this the most efficient way to do this? I was also thinking of combining the load and no connect screens, changing out images rather than having an
Jan 08 17:53:20 <hip2p> entirely separate screen
Jan 08 17:53:27 <Mysoft> OS..... but it seems android is as slow as ubuntu o.o
Jan 08 17:54:02 <clever> Mysoft: i think its more, that the os is writen arround the cpu speed
Jan 08 17:54:22 <clever> Mysoft: as things get up into dual core 1ghz, they dont have to be as strict about where the cpu is used
Jan 08 17:54:35 <clever> so the newer images eat up more
Jan 08 17:54:37 <Mysoft> yeah i guess, but that's terrible IMO :)
Jan 08 17:55:06 <Mysoft> i mean not even for emulation... but for real cellphone usage... they waste most of the battery power... by having an slow os that won't run smooth at <200mhz
Jan 08 17:55:06 <Zharf> emulation is what it is
Jan 08 17:55:08 <clever> i also just noticed, my android tablet has the exact same resolution as my primary laptop (several years old)
Jan 08 17:55:15 <clever> but exactly half the diagonal size
Jan 08 17:55:23 <Mysoft> and as far i understanding... emulating a 200mhz ASM is very very doable...
Jan 08 17:55:39 <Mysoft> so i think they need to get real and stop wasting resources
Jan 08 17:55:53 <Mysoft> but very thanks for the tips clever... i will check my options :)
Jan 08 17:55:59 <clever> Mysoft: yeah, my own app is starting to get into things i just cant test under emu
Jan 08 17:56:03 <clever> multi-touch and zoom
Jan 08 17:56:12 <clever> plugging in 2 mice wont help!
Jan 08 17:56:33 <Zharf> I would never rely on emulator for anything but testing UI layouts :p
Jan 08 17:57:03 <clever> i was also using the emu for testing how the non-ui code functions
Jan 08 17:57:13 <Mysoft> heh seems i will need to buy a phone even before start coding for it... (i plan to port the freebasic language to it) that's why i'm focused onthe native side (as i don't like java either way))
Jan 08 17:57:20 <clever> but i have since split that off into an isolated java project, which can run as real java on a desktop
Jan 08 17:57:35 <clever> so i can test the core functionality without any android in the mix
Jan 08 17:58:52 <Mysoft> heh i have some "SDK" that i use and make on every new device... so i can code the same thing almost... everywhere (x86 win/lin,nintendo DS, and now i will implement all that to android as well)
Jan 08 17:59:18 <Da_Rhyno> I'm curious... is OnKeyListener an abstract class or an interface?
Jan 08 17:59:25 <clever> in my case, its more of an API lib, to interface with a remote server
Jan 08 17:59:32 <Da_Rhyno> woops
Jan 08 18:38:26 <wmbest2> does anyone know of a way to determine if your activity is under test?  we basically want to switch to a local server during our tests.
Jan 08 18:44:48 <pfn> wmbest2, invoke a specific test activity that extends primary activity
Jan 08 18:44:55 <pfn> pass some intent flags
Jan 08 18:45:02 <pfn> maybe use BuildConfig.DEBUG
Jan 08 18:45:18 <Daemon_012> Yep, I would use BuildConfig.DEBUG
Jan 08 18:46:51 <wmbest2> We use that currently to switch between our dev and staging servers but this would be strictly for a local version as we dont generally have control of those
Jan 08 18:47:20 <wmbest2> didn't know if there was a ant task that could generate a class at build time like the BuildConfig
Jan 08 18:47:36 <wmbest2> looks like BuildConfig is only setup to handle that one boolean
Jan 08 18:59:29 <floffenvern> I need a custom WebView and WebViewClient that can get post data from the Chrome engine.  I know this involves building a new webkit and libwebcore.so.  I want to run on a non-rooted client.  I suspect this is a monumental task but is this even possible?  Thoughts? Opinions?
Jan 08 19:01:13 <diphtherial> hey, is there any way to deploy multiple APKs with the same package name to Play?
Jan 08 19:01:32 <diphtherial> we're toying with a few options, one of which is doing some kind of automated find/replace throughout the app to change the package name
Jan 08 19:01:40 <mi6_x3m> hey droids
Jan 08 19:01:49 <Zharf> diphtherial, for what purpose
Jan 08 19:01:51 <mi6_x3m> is there a way to specify additional flags during an installation from the market?
Jan 08 19:02:01 <diphtherial> (to give some context, my lab does deployments and would thus like to freeze the version for a few participants while allowing participants from newer studies to use new, possibly updated in the field versions)
Jan 08 19:02:02 <mi6_x3m> which the application can access?
Jan 08 19:02:29 <diphtherial> Zharf: in order to ensure that the study isn't interrupted midway through by a change in the interface or functionality
Jan 08 19:02:54 <diphtherial> while still allowing bug fixes, etc. to be deployed over the air
Jan 08 19:05:16 <Zharf> diphtherial, and you'd want them all available on the store? then I'd say no that's not possible
Jan 08 19:07:58 <diphtherial> Zharf: i concur :< i think we're going to end up putting the version in the package name and just statically building for specific deployments...on second thought, that makes a lot of sense
Jan 08 19:08:14 <Zharf> :)
Jan 08 19:09:27 <Sicp> so if doing myEditText.getText().toString() will bring me the actual string from an EditText, myEditText.charAt(index) will need to have what in order to give me the actual character?
Jan 08 19:10:23 <Jouva> I'd like to have an ActionItem that has a superimposed number in a circle just like notification icons indicating number of awaiting messages. How can I do this with something like ActionBarSherlock? I assume there's no built-in API to make this simple and might need to do stuff with Drawables or such
Jan 08 19:11:49 <lov> Sicp: an actual character at that index so you don't have an OOB error?
Jan 08 19:11:52 <lov> I don't understand the question.
Jan 08 19:12:16 <Sicp> I will try more
Jan 08 19:12:17 <lov> myEditText.getText() returns an Editable.
Jan 08 19:12:17 <hip2p> Is it ok to use the same android id across layouts? For example, I'm using the same header id in every activity layout. android:id="@+id/header"
Jan 08 19:12:36 <lov> hip2p: yes
Jan 08 19:12:47 <hip2p> ok thanks
Jan 08 19:14:43 <monsti> sqlite can't handle left and right joins mixed in one statement?
Jan 08 19:15:20 <lov> I don't know, ask in #sqlite
Jan 08 19:18:48 <Sicp> it was nothing, lov
Jan 08 19:19:09 <lov> Sicp: awesome, glad I could help, I guess?
Jan 08 19:19:15 <Sicp> lol yea
Jan 08 19:19:19 <Sicp> the less you help, the more you help
Jan 08 19:19:28 <Sicp> mind = blown
Jan 08 19:20:13 <lov> <inception />
Jan 08 19:20:49 <monsti> RIGHT and FULL OUTER JOINs are not currently supported Unable to execute statement - i want oracle
Jan 08 19:21:09 <canadiancow> lol sqlite
Jan 08 19:21:17 <canadiancow> an issue came up at work yesterday, where i learned something new
Jan 08 19:21:22 <canadiancow> you can't remove a column from a table :)
Jan 08 19:21:31 * monsti removes sqlite
Jan 08 19:21:32 <canadiancow> ALTER TABLE allows "add" and "rename"
Jan 08 19:21:51 <monsti> yeah :) thats a nice joke
Jan 08 19:22:02 <monsti> i created my own templates for powerdesigner to deal with that stuff
Jan 08 19:23:10 <lov> canadiancow: yeah, that's an annoying situation. The solution is to create a temporary table to move your data to, while you drop and re-add the original one
Jan 08 19:23:26 <lov> which, admitted, isn't exactly a great "solution"
Jan 08 19:23:43 <canadiancow> yeah, we opted not to do that
Jan 08 19:23:44 <lov> anyway, sqlite is meant to be a tiny db, not something enterprisy
Jan 08 19:23:48 <monsti> that's what my power designer template does
Jan 08 19:23:58 <canadiancow> well even for tiny, youd think you could "easily" remove a column :P
Jan 08 19:24:05 <canadiancow> im just amazed ive never encountered that issue before
Jan 08 19:24:13 <lov> when it comes to databases really "easily" never, ever fits into the equation.
Jan 08 19:24:20 <monsti> but that right/inner join issue really sucks
Jan 08 19:24:23 <canadiancow> you can "easily" add a column
Jan 08 19:24:26 <canadiancow> or drop a table
Jan 08 19:24:29 <canadiancow> or insert a row
Jan 08 19:24:31 <canadiancow> etc etc
Jan 08 19:24:40 <lov> patches welcome???
Jan 08 19:24:44 <monsti> to sqlite?
Jan 08 19:24:48 <monsti> there are tons of patches
Jan 08 19:24:54 <monsti> would you like to patch the roms?
Jan 08 19:24:56 <lov> it is a sarcastic joke.
Jan 08 19:25:07 <lov> it is a polite way of saying "If you're so interested, why don't you code in a patch yourself?"
Jan 08 19:25:21 <lov> which has the implication "This is harder than you think"
Jan 08 19:25:42 <NightRave> Devs, quick question, i want to use findViewById in an AppWidgetProvider subclass, am I screwed forever?
Jan 08 19:25:44 <monsti> well we always find solutions for limitations
Jan 08 19:25:48 <drew80> hey guys, I'm attempting to write HTML/CSS/JS for a cross-platform ad system, and I'm having a hard time getting back accurate device resolutions in 2.3
Jan 08 19:25:55 <lov> monsti: I'm not saying that it can't be done.
Jan 08 19:26:06 <monsti> lov it's already done for sqlite
Jan 08 19:26:14 <Sicp> SmsManager is deprecated?
Jan 08 19:26:17 <monsti> but you can't put a patch to an android device ;)
Jan 08 19:26:22 <drew80> my Nexus One is reporting 470x800 in portrait and 790x480 in landscape
Jan 08 19:26:24 <Sicp> ahh Telephony
Jan 08 19:26:26 <Sicp> yea yea
Jan 08 19:26:27 <lov> no, but you can have a newer version of sqlite for newer api levels
Jan 08 19:26:36 <lov> and have support for newer features with newer api calls
Jan 08 19:26:42 <monsti> well yeah
Jan 08 19:26:51 <drew80> and the first time I load a page, it seems to report the width and height of the previous page rather than the page I'm working on
Jan 08 19:27:00 <drew80> anyone have any ideas?
Jan 08 19:27:10 <monsti> lov: the first thing i'd like to see is database encryption
Jan 08 19:27:11 <lov> drew80: blood sacrifice to the webkit gods
Jan 08 19:27:17 <drew80> yeah...
Jan 08 19:27:17 <lov> monsti: hahaha to what end
Jan 08 19:27:24 <lov> you need the key to be on the clientside to get any work done
Jan 08 19:27:40 <monsti> lov: well for marketing reasons
Jan 08 19:27:44 <lov> ...
Jan 08 19:27:45 <monsti> no more no less
Jan 08 19:28:13 <monsti> currently we tell our customers to buy devices that can enable disk encryption
Jan 08 19:28:22 <drew80> anyone else run into this problem with webkit on 2.3?
Jan 08 19:29:57 <lov> monsti: ok, and? the database lives in a file on the disk.
Jan 08 19:30:29 <monsti> lov: yeah that's why we tell our customers that we don't do application based encryption
Jan 08 19:30:54 <tplaner_> hey guys, I'm using the following code to attempt to place a button on the bottom of a RelativeLayout view, and center it, but instead the button just comes about 4 pixels by 4pixels in the top left corner: https://gist.github.com/8f923c545e71c4f0a5a8
Jan 08 19:30:55 <lov> I don't follow. If the device has disk encryption, the DB is effectively encrypted.
Jan 08 19:31:10 <lov> the only attack scenario involves another application somehow seeing the DB after breaking out of its jail
Jan 08 19:31:30 <monsti> yeah that's what i personally don#t like
Jan 08 19:31:41 <monsti> there are very simple sqlite encryption routines
Jan 08 19:31:57 <lov> .... well, yes, but again, to what end?
Jan 08 19:32:05 <lov> You're not realistically GAINING anything here
Jan 08 19:32:06 <monsti> to encrypt the file
Jan 08 19:32:18 <lov> you're encrypting the file with a key that lives where?
Jan 08 19:32:28 <monsti> yes - in the end is a discussion about money or statistics
Jan 08 19:32:58 <lov> I mean, if you're encrypting it based on a key that the user has to enter each time they use the app, it's going to end up being a very simple key and susceptable to cracking
Jan 08 19:33:04 <SimonVT> tplaner_: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RelativeLayout.LayoutParams.html#RelativeLayout.LayoutParams(int,%20int)
Jan 08 19:33:19 <lov> disk encryption at least has the benefit that you enter it once per boot, so it's ok to make it 16 characters long and complicated
Jan 08 19:33:35 <SimonVT> Guess what w and h means
Jan 08 19:33:42 <lov> you're basically going to have database encryption but the key is "asdf1234"
Jan 08 19:34:04 <monsti> well as i told you - that's marketing
Jan 08 19:34:30 <canadiancow> lol SimonVT
Jan 08 19:35:12 <canadiancow> but yeah tplaner_ , you want new RL.LP(RL.WRAP_CONTENT, RL.WRAP_CONTENT); params.addRule(RL.A_P_B); params.addRule(RL.C_H);
Jan 08 19:35:25 <tplaner_> SimonVT: gotcha, so I'd have to add rules
Jan 08 19:35:30 <tplaner_> ok thanks canadiancow
Jan 08 19:37:14 <canadiancow> i wish linkedin recruiters had to pay me $1 to send me a job
Jan 08 19:37:26 <lov> you're assuming that they don't
Jan 08 19:37:36 <canadiancow> ?
Jan 08 19:37:39 <lov> what do you think the revenue stream is for linkedin?
Jan 08 19:37:41 <lov> advertising?
Jan 08 19:37:45 <canadiancow> pay *ME*
Jan 08 19:37:47 <lov> more like JOB advertising
Jan 08 19:37:49 <lov> oh ho ho ho
Jan 08 19:37:50 <lov> no sir
Jan 08 19:37:54 <lov> you're not the customer, you're the PRODUCT.
Jan 08 19:38:00 <lov> why would they pay YOU?
Jan 08 19:38:19 <canadiancow> to incnetivize them to stop sending me garbage
Jan 08 19:38:41 <lov> them who?
Jan 08 19:38:51 <lov> the recruiters are happy to pay to send messages; it gets them leads
Jan 08 19:38:58 <lov> linkedin is happy to handle that, since that gets them money
Jan 08 19:39:04 <lov> and you just complain instead of removing your linkedin account
Jan 08 19:39:10 <lov> so really it sounds like everyone is winning here
Jan 08 19:39:51 <lov> linkedin cares about you just enough to make sure that you don't delete your account out of anger.
Jan 08 19:41:02 <canadiancow> but it also means that i pay lessa ttention to the emails i get
Jan 08 19:41:10 <canadiancow> if you only send me quality jobs, i'll spend 5-10 minutes per email
Jan 08 19:41:16 <canadiancow> but as it stands right now, i rarely go past the subject
Jan 08 19:41:44 <canadiancow> the last one was "...game developer...high salary..." and i just deleted it
Jan 08 19:41:53 <NightRave> why?
Jan 08 19:41:54 <lov> again, I fail to see how linkedin is losing here
Jan 08 19:41:58 <NightRave> because of high salary?
Jan 08 19:42:04 <canadiancow> because of "game developer"
Jan 08 19:42:12 <NightRave> is gamedev a bad job?!
Jan 08 19:42:15 <porten> how do I update a field in one activity when I change a preference in the preferenceScreen activity?
Jan 08 19:42:25 <lov> hint: the people sending these "jobs" probably haven't even read your profile
Jan 08 19:42:32 <canadiancow> sigh
Jan 08 19:42:48 <NightRave> canadiancow, something's wrong, i probably missed a detail
Jan 08 19:42:52 <NightRave> why do ppl send you jobs?
Jan 08 19:42:54 <canadiancow> NightRave, there are no "bad jobs"
Jan 08 19:42:58 <lov> porten: use a settings observer
Jan 08 19:43:05 <lov> alternately, check the settings in onResume
Jan 08 19:43:06 <canadiancow> there are plent of jobs i dont want though
Jan 08 19:43:20 <NightRave> ahh ok
Jan 08 19:43:21 <NightRave> sorry
Jan 08 19:44:03 <porten> lov: ah, the onResume idea looks good
Jan 08 19:44:08 <porten> lov: thanks
Jan 08 19:44:40 <tplaner_> canadiancow: thanks again that worked perfectly
Jan 08 19:45:02 <obscurant1st> I have an app on which I have implemented textView.setMovementMethod(new ScrollingMovementMethod()); But the onFling() is not working. Before implementing this scrolling, it was working. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Jan 08 19:46:38 <tplaner_> canadiancow: whats you're ideal job, besides them paying you and you not having to do any work
Jan 08 19:46:43 <tplaner_> :P
Jan 08 19:50:05 <obscurant1st> somebody?
Jan 08 19:53:04 <monsti> lol windows rt jailbreak?
Jan 08 19:53:35 <monsti> i think nobody cares, that's why it took so long...
Jan 08 19:58:18 <gkatsev> anyone know if robolectric has a fail-fast mode or something?
Jan 08 20:05:40 <CheaterCodes> hello!
Jan 08 20:05:58 <CheaterCodes> Am I right here for questions about app-developement?
Jan 08 20:06:16 <lov> you are right here.
Jan 08 20:06:34 <CheaterCodes> good :)
Jan 08 20:06:44 <CheaterCodes> I have one
Jan 08 20:07:26 <CheaterCodes> I'm developing an app for a competition in which I participate with some schoolmates
Jan 08 20:08:17 <CheaterCodes> I want to make an App which detects tumbles an then automatically sends an message to a user-defined phonenumber
Jan 08 20:08:31 <hip2p> lol lov
Jan 08 20:08:44 <CheaterCodes> for this I start a background service which starts an activity if it detets a tumble
Jan 08 20:08:59 <lov> ok
Jan 08 20:09:12 <SimonVT> Don't randomly start activities
Jan 08 20:09:16 <lov> well
Jan 08 20:09:18 <CheaterCodes> that works pretty well, but i have one problem with it
Jan 08 20:09:32 <lov> yeah, do you want to send a message, or do you want to display an activity and have the user do something?
Jan 08 20:09:40 <lov> you do not need to use an Activity do send a message.
Jan 08 20:10:20 <CheaterCodes> the activity is for giving the user the possibility to abort the process of sending the message
Jan 08 20:10:30 <CheaterCodes> for the case the phone drops
Jan 08 20:10:39 <lov> ok
Jan 08 20:10:54 <lov> what is the problem?
Jan 08 20:10:59 <CheaterCodes> my problem is, that it should also detect tumbles i the screen is locked
Jan 08 20:11:07 <lov> ... ok.
Jan 08 20:11:14 <lov> You probably just want to keep the phone awake. Use a wakelock.
Jan 08 20:11:25 <lov> the screen can be off while the phone is awake
Jan 08 20:11:30 <lov> just remember that this will really affect the battery life
Jan 08 20:11:42 <CheaterCodes> hm...
Jan 08 20:11:58 <CheaterCodes> this migt work for the first implementation
Jan 08 20:12:08 <CheaterCodes> can i then also start the activity?
Jan 08 20:12:21 <NightRave> sorry to ask this, but what is tumble?
Jan 08 20:12:31 <CheaterCodes> plunge
Jan 08 20:12:35 <CheaterCodes> maybe better word
Jan 08 20:12:46 <CheaterCodes> I didn't find the best one
Jan 08 20:12:56 <CheaterCodes> oops
Jan 08 20:12:59 <CheaterCodes> bad enlish
Jan 08 20:13:03 <CheaterCodes> sry
Jan 08 20:13:18 <NightRave> np
Jan 08 20:13:26 <CheaterCodes> I haven't found the best word
Jan 08 20:13:29 <CheaterCodes> :)
Jan 08 20:13:42 <NightRave> ahh, it must send a message when the phone falls down?
Jan 08 20:13:55 <CheaterCodes> well...
Jan 08 20:13:56 <NightRave> did I understand it correctly?
Jan 08 20:13:56 <CheaterCodes> partly
Jan 08 20:14:09 <CheaterCodes> It should send a message if the user falls
Jan 08 20:14:15 <gkatsev> I was thinking of tumbles like from tumblr and so the conversation was slightly odd
Jan 08 20:14:31 <CheaterCodes> with the mobilephone in the pocket/hand whatever
Jan 08 20:16:03 <CheaterCodes> well, Ijust tried my current app and it seems to rect already on the accellerometer
Jan 08 20:16:21 <CheaterCodes> but it starts the activity after unlocking the screen
Jan 08 20:19:24 <CheaterCodes> can I handle this with a wakelock?
Jan 08 20:20:53 <lov> I'm not really sure what you're asking.
Jan 08 20:21:03 <lov> You need to use a wakelock to keep the device awake after the user turns of the screen
Jan 08 20:21:22 <lov> if you don't, the application processor will (potentially) completely turn off
Jan 08 20:21:38 <lov> bear in mind that connecting your device to a power source will hold a lock, so you won't be able to see this while the phone is connected to your computer
Jan 08 20:21:53 <lov> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/PowerManager.html
Jan 08 20:22:00 <lov> request a PARTIAL_WAKE_LOCK
Jan 08 20:22:09 <lov> don't forget to release it when you don't want your app to run anymore
Jan 08 20:22:17 <belgianguy> honest question, are there tricks to program _faster_?
Jan 08 20:22:25 <lov> belgianguy: cocaine
Jan 08 20:22:28 <pragma-> copy and paste
Jan 08 20:22:37 <loffa> late nights, always work!
Jan 08 20:22:41 <belgianguy> the c-word is a sin
Jan 08 20:22:47 <belgianguy> and cocaine is bad, too :p
Jan 08 20:23:08 <pragma-> write reusable code
Jan 08 20:23:22 <belgianguy> now you tell me :p but that's a valid point
Jan 08 20:23:25 <CheaterCodes> thank you
Jan 08 20:23:31 <CheaterCodes> I'll try :)
Jan 08 20:23:50 <NightRave> belgianguy, wait if cocaine is just bad
Jan 08 20:23:57 <NightRave> then which c-word is a sin?
Jan 08 20:24:09 <dragorn> write reusable code and recognize patterns of things you've done before.  The more flexible your code the more likely you can drop it into another project usefully.
Jan 08 20:24:10 <lov> coffee?
Jan 08 20:24:24 <gkatsev> NightRave: copypasta
Jan 08 20:24:26 <NightRave> ahh
Jan 08 20:24:28 <belgianguy> copy and paste NightRave, you don't expose fellow humans to copy and paste
Jan 08 20:24:39 <NightRave> i have another suggestion for coding faster and more effectively
Jan 08 20:24:40 <NightRave> Adderall
Jan 08 20:24:48 <belgianguy> I should get my brain tested
Jan 08 20:24:56 <belgianguy> and get me an adderal subscription
Jan 08 20:25:04 <NightRave> belgianguy, it's not that easy
Jan 08 20:25:11 <NightRave> it is really effective
Jan 08 20:25:16 <NightRave> but it is also dangerous
Jan 08 20:25:16 <Cauda> It is if you know the right doctor.
Jan 08 20:25:21 <NightRave> remember it's a drug
Jan 08 20:25:36 <belgianguy> I've heard people getting receipts just to dogde an exam
Jan 08 20:25:51 <NightRave> wow
Jan 08 20:25:52 <belgianguy> but is there something natural like that?
Jan 08 20:26:00 <NightRave> natural like what?
Jan 08 20:26:01 <NightRave> Adderall?
Jan 08 20:26:08 <belgianguy> yeah, less crazy
Jan 08 20:26:15 <NightRave> i don't know
Jan 08 20:26:19 <belgianguy> because I don't want to drug myself
Jan 08 20:26:25 <NightRave> it is actually a medicine against ADHD/ADD
Jan 08 20:26:27 <pragma-> adderall isn't natural
Jan 08 20:26:29 <belgianguy> just code more and faster
Jan 08 20:26:36 <pragma-> it's just legalized methaphetamine
Jan 08 20:26:38 <loffa> Adderall is a combination of four amphetamine salts... from wikipedia
Jan 08 20:26:40 <belgianguy> and experience seems not to be a deciding factor
Jan 08 20:26:53 <NightRave> but if you dont have those illnesses, it boosts your brain
Jan 08 20:27:04 <NightRave> but i have heard neurons cant stand that for long
Jan 08 20:27:07 <NightRave> they burn out
Jan 08 20:27:13 <belgianguy> yeah, you fry your stuff
Jan 08 20:27:20 <belgianguy> and you can't replace that
Jan 08 20:27:32 <pragma-> the brain is very plastic
Jan 08 20:27:34 <belgianguy> tbh I've got the feeling they're fried already
Jan 08 20:27:59 <NightRave> belgianguy, haha <ALIENS-GUY>Programming</ALIENS-GUY>
Jan 08 20:28:07 <pragma-> that is, it's very much capable of self-repairing
Jan 08 20:28:44 <belgianguy> I just often got the comment that I wasn't quite the fastest coder
Jan 08 20:28:46 <NightRave> pragma-, not always
Jan 08 20:28:47 <CheaterCodes> hmhm...
Jan 08 20:28:53 <NightRave> in case of minor problems, maybe
Jan 08 20:28:57 <belgianguy> and I want to do something about that :p
Jan 08 20:28:57 <CheaterCodes> Now I'm sure
Jan 08 20:29:00 <pragma-> fast is usually bad
Jan 08 20:29:08 <Cauda> The key is to be efficient
Jan 08 20:29:41 <CheaterCodes> The Application stays active without a wakelock
Jan 08 20:29:45 <Cauda> Fast doesn't mean shit if your code is sloppy, slow, or non-working
Jan 08 20:29:54 <belgianguy> yes, I strive to be as efficient as possible, 2 monitors and when stuff is compiling I'm reading my mail etc
Jan 08 20:29:57 <lov> CheaterCodes: but the PHONE does not.
Jan 08 20:30:00 <ctate> CheaterCodes:  are you plugged in for debugging?  adb holds a wakelock itself.  :)
Jan 08 20:30:13 <lov> ctate: actually, any usb connection does, iirc
Jan 08 20:30:15 <CheaterCodes> I'm not plugged in
Jan 08 20:30:27 <dragorn> CheaterCodes: if you're doing an operation you need to be alive for, you need a wakelock or the results will be unpredictable
Jan 08 20:30:31 <lov> ^^
Jan 08 20:30:56 <lov> CheaterCodes: try this for me. Write an application that spawns a thread that writes the current time to a file, one second at a time. Leave your phone alone and unplugged for 15 minutes. Come back, stop the app, look at the timestamps.
Jan 08 20:31:04 <lov> I bet there's a great big gap after about 5 minutes of idle time.
Jan 08 20:31:19 <NightRave> lov, why?
Jan 08 20:31:28 <NightRave> because Android decides your app isnt worth it
Jan 08 20:31:29 <NightRave> ?
Jan 08 20:31:31 <lov> no
Jan 08 20:31:35 <lov> because THE PHONE GOES TO SLEEP
Jan 08 20:31:39 <ctate> ==lov
Jan 08 20:31:42 <dragorn> because the phone goes to sleep when there isn't user interaction
Jan 08 20:31:48 <lov> the A processor physically halts
Jan 08 20:31:54 <lov> while the radio processor continues running
Jan 08 20:33:37 <canadiancow> <tplaner_> canadiancow: whats you're ideal job, besides them paying you and you not having to do any work
Jan 08 20:33:43 <canadiancow> uhh... that would suck
Jan 08 20:33:50 <canadiancow> my ideal job is pretty much what i have right now
Jan 08 20:33:54 <tplaner_> not really, you could work on anything you want
Jan 08 20:33:55 <NightRave> which is?
Jan 08 20:33:57 <canadiancow> i work on stuff i really use
Jan 08 20:33:58 <CheaterCodes> yeah
Jan 08 20:34:05 <canadiancow> my stuff is used by millions of people
Jan 08 20:34:11 <CheaterCodes> you're probably rght
Jan 08 20:34:13 <canadiancow> i get to play with new phones/gadgets
Jan 08 20:34:18 <NightRave> canadiancow, you have a published app?
Jan 08 20:34:31 <canadiancow> my own personal app, or waht i do for work?
Jan 08 20:34:48 <NightRave> you said your stuff is used by millions of ppl
Jan 08 20:34:53 <canadiancow> thats what i do at work
Jan 08 20:34:56 <canadiancow> and it is
Jan 08 20:35:03 <canadiancow> i bet you ahve it on your phone ;)
Jan 08 20:35:41 <CheaterCodes> another thing
Jan 08 20:35:43 <NightRave> no i dont
Jan 08 20:35:51 <NightRave> i dont install apps on this shitty device
Jan 08 20:35:54 <NightRave> ZTE Racer
Jan 08 20:35:55 <CheaterCodes> I'm not able to connect my phone with adb
Jan 08 20:36:13 <NightRave> once i tried using it like a real smartphone, hung so much i had to format it
Jan 08 20:36:21 <NightRave> camerin, but can you show me?
Jan 08 20:36:27 <canadiancow> NightRave, i still think you likely have the app
Jan 08 20:36:32 <CheaterCodes> but this would be very elpful
Jan 08 20:36:35 <NightRave> wow, you work on Android?
Jan 08 20:36:35 <lov> CheaterCodes: http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html
Jan 08 20:36:39 <AmandaC> canadiancow: what's the app?
Jan 08 20:37:05 <Ologn> The one day I want to see what my download stats are, they clunk out on updating the stats...
Jan 08 20:37:09 <lov> canadiancow: enjoy the world of shit that you about to immerse yourself in
Jan 08 20:37:09 <canadiancow> if i mention it in here, i'll become tech support, which i dont want
Jan 08 20:37:09 <CheaterCodes> why didn't I found THAT...
Jan 08 20:37:16 <CheaterCodes> thank you again lov :)
Jan 08 20:37:17 <AmandaC> canadiancow: fair enough
Jan 08 20:37:19 <NightRave> canadiancow, PM?
Jan 08 20:37:30 <NightRave> i want disclose it i promise
Jan 08 20:37:31 <lov> s/you/you're/
Jan 08 20:37:36 <AmandaC> canadiancow: as long as it's not Zynga.
Jan 08 20:37:41 <canadiancow> not any more ;P
Jan 08 20:37:45 <AmandaC> cause then I'd have to club you to death
Jan 08 20:37:56 <AmandaC> I mean, seriously, HOW THE FUCK DO I ENTER MY PASSWORD IN DRAWSOMETHING!?
Jan 08 20:38:05 <AmandaC> ( Email auth )
Jan 08 20:38:24 <canadiancow> draw something isnt exactly "zynga"
Jan 08 20:38:32 <canadiancow> i mean yeah, they bought it
Jan 08 20:38:44 <canadiancow> but the whole app was created by omgpop
Jan 08 20:38:56 <AmandaC> It's been re-branded and such, and before they were absorbed, I didn't have any trouble
Jan 08 20:39:12 * AmandaC shrugs
Jan 08 20:39:19 <Ologn> My ideal job would be lying on a beach in Pará, Brazil and drinking caipirinhas with some garota
Jan 08 20:39:39 <Ologn> But programming is not so bad
Jan 08 20:40:15 <NightRave> once you understand it, it's awesome
Jan 08 20:40:25 <canadiancow> as long as you're working on something you believe in
Jan 08 20:40:35 <canadiancow> i used to think it was normal to go home frustrated every day
Jan 08 20:40:45 <canadiancow> or maybe not "every day", but regularly
Jan 08 20:41:06 <canadiancow> i have friends who think about quitting their jobs weekly
Jan 08 20:41:25 <Ologn> I am consulting and working on my own apps, only the consulting end is frustrating, but I need to eat while I work on  my apps
Jan 08 20:43:32 <CheaterCodes> possible that it doesn't work with windows8?
Jan 08 20:44:02 <canadiancow> it does
Jan 08 20:44:40 <CheaterCodes> it says, tht the drivers are located at <sdk>\extras\google\usb_driver\
Jan 08 20:44:46 <CheaterCodes> but they aren't
Jan 08 20:45:12 <SimonVT> Did you download the drivers?
Jan 08 20:45:40 <jonathan_eyre> Is there an app or something you guys would recommend?
Jan 08 20:46:33 <jonathan_eyre> I tried wifi analyzer, and it looks gorgeous, but when the wifi adapter drops the connection, wifi analyzer says that the connection strength is still good.
Jan 08 20:46:55 <jonathan_eyre> I guess wifi analyzer is only testing signal strength, and not actually connection performance.
Jan 08 20:47:44 <jonathan_eyre> Anyway, is there a better and shorter wifi adapter test than spending a few hours online with each device?
Jan 08 20:48:36 <g00s> android has had its share of wifi bugs
Jan 08 20:48:48 <g00s> here is the famous one http://www.net.princeton.edu/android/android-stops-renewing-lease-keeps-using-IP-address-11236.html
Jan 08 20:49:16 <g00s> does it happen at the same interval?
Jan 08 20:49:23 <jonathan_eyre> This is not android. This is a manufacturer defect. Some adapters weren't soldered in well enough.
Jan 08 20:49:43 <jonathan_eyre> Some adapters seem to be fine at first, but actually drop connection when the browser is launched.
Jan 08 20:49:56 <g00s> wut
Jan 08 20:50:23 <jonathan_eyre> On one (1) device, it drops connection every single time data is starting to transfer over the wifi.
Jan 08 20:50:50 <g00s> can't blame it for wanting to take a siesta
Jan 08 20:50:56 <jonathan_eyre> But that is only one device. I have no idea how to run a test that will convince me that the wifi is actually good.
Jan 08 20:51:58 <jonathan_eyre> wifi analyzer looks like it is giving valid data, and shows on a line graph what the signal strength is like over time. But when the connection gets dropped, it doesn't indicate that it got dropped at all.
Jan 08 20:52:21 <jonathan_eyre> Which makes me think that the entire data it presents is invalid.
Jan 08 20:54:48 <jonathan_eyre> Anyway, does anyone have any idea how to test actual wifi throughput?
Jan 08 20:55:11 <AlexMeng> Anyone know if its possible to change the playback speed of an mp3, on the fly?
Jan 08 20:55:17 <AlexMeng> I know SoundPool can do it, but only for small audio files
Jan 08 20:59:34 <belgianguy> AlexMeng: NDK + OpenSL ES
Jan 08 20:59:36 <belgianguy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11094377/android-how-to-change-playback-rate-of-music-using-opensl-es
Jan 08 20:59:53 <belgianguy> that's C++ and hairpulling
Jan 08 21:01:29 <AlexMeng> belgianguy: thanks!
Jan 08 21:04:38 <Trinity> how much do you guys all sleep?
Jan 08 21:05:12 <ctate> sleep is for the weak and sickly
Jan 08 21:05:30 <ctate> (ofc, without sleep everybody becomes weak and sickly, so....)
Jan 08 21:09:22 <jonathan_eyre> Sleep is for when the server is down. Unless of course, you are the sysadmin, then it is inverse.
Jan 08 21:10:31 <belgianguy> Sleep? I remember that...
Jan 08 21:11:36 <belgianguy> Samsung S4 rumoured to be Tizen phone
Jan 08 21:11:37 <belgianguy> wat
Jan 08 21:12:06 <jonathan_eyre> Does anyone have experience testing wifi on android?
Jan 08 21:13:58 <CheaterCodes> my app crashes when I try to get a WakeLock...
Jan 08 21:14:30 <Maurits_> belgianguy: lol, I hope samsung wouldn't be that stupid
Jan 08 21:14:48 <belgianguy> Maurits_: well it won't be pretty if they do
Jan 08 21:14:49 <Maurits_> they don't have to gamble like that anyway, they can simply launch a tizen S4 in parallel
Jan 08 21:14:56 <belgianguy> true
Jan 08 21:15:06 <belgianguy> that's probably what'll happen
Jan 08 21:15:35 <Maurits_> meh, they've been trying that with bada, WP7, WP8
Jan 08 21:15:55 <belgianguy> yeah, yet another ecosystem
Jan 08 21:16:00 <belgianguy> just what the world needs
Jan 08 21:16:13 <Maurits_> I'm convinced people just buy samsung because they make semi-decent android phones, not because of the touchwiz crapware ecosystem
Jan 08 21:16:37 <belgianguy> yeah, and their marketing dept and visibility in the press
Jan 08 21:16:41 <CheaterCodes> I did it as it is in the reference, except that I used PARTIAL_WAKE_LOCK
Jan 08 21:16:44 <Maurits_> that too
Jan 08 21:16:58 <belgianguy> the fact that they have their own chip factories probably is a nice addition as well
Jan 08 21:17:21 <belgianguy> but I'd like to see the likes of HTC and Sony take up a more prominent role
Jan 08 21:17:34 <Maurits_> meh, HTC is trying to do the exact same thing
Jan 08 21:17:40 <belgianguy> now it's Samsung at the top of the pyramid, and the rest quite far behind
Jan 08 21:17:40 <Maurits_> Sony perhaps
Jan 08 21:17:43 <g00s> seems like samsung is about to become the largest home appliance manufacturer in the world
Jan 08 21:19:48 <inherited> Hi, I am playing aroud with AudioRecord. Running my app from eclipse is working great, I can create an instance of AudioRecord and record sound etc., but as soon as I disconnect the device, the app stops working and refuses to continue, stating that it "Cannot open /dev/msm_pcm_in errno: 16"
Jan 08 21:19:49 <Maurits_> but meh, most of the people I know buy samsung for the hardware, and wouldn't have problems switching to another vendor if suddenly their apps stop working
Jan 08 21:20:35 <canadiancow> 01-08 13:20:08.592: E/AndroidRuntime(18918): Caused by: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteDiskIOException: disk I/O error (code 522): , while compiling: PRAGMA journal_mode
Jan 08 21:20:36 <canadiancow> :\
Jan 08 21:21:32 <Maurits_> O_o
Jan 08 21:22:12 <jonathan_eyre> Considering that I got a Samsung i7 literally two weeks ago, I automatically agree with everything pro Samsung.
Jan 08 21:22:32 * g00s salivates at Panasonic 4K tablet for photographers
Jan 08 21:23:16 <canadiancow> 4k wat
Jan 08 21:23:29 <canadiancow> do we need an xxxhdpi?
Jan 08 21:23:31 <g00s> 20" 4K tablet
Jan 08 21:23:34 <canadiancow> oh
Jan 08 21:23:40 <canadiancow> that's less exciting :P
Jan 08 21:24:06 <ctate> 4K what?
Jan 08 21:24:06 <jonathan_eyre> canadiancow: I had that same problem with my app that implements a webview. The sqlite database got corrupted in between the hundred debug launches I ran. I just uninstalled and everything went back.
Jan 08 21:24:08 <ctate> horizontal pixels?
Jan 08 21:24:16 <g00s> http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3851422/panasonic-4k-tablet-windows-8-hands-on
Jan 08 21:24:22 <ctate> supercooled helium?
Jan 08 21:24:27 <Maurits_> does it come with a microscope?
Jan 08 21:24:51 <jonathan_eyre> If it came with a steady wifi connection it might be worth it.
Jan 08 21:24:58 <Maurits_> next step: iMat
Jan 08 21:24:58 <g00s> hehe
Jan 08 21:25:00 <ctate> more to the point, does it come with powered lift assist?
Jan 08 21:25:14 <belgianguy> looks like you're carrying around your TV
Jan 08 21:25:15 <g00s> ctate: meant for floor tiles
Jan 08 21:25:33 <ctate> g00s: calling it a "tablet" is a bit of a misnomer, then.
Jan 08 21:25:38 <belgianguy> a windows license for each tile
Jan 08 21:25:40 <belgianguy> brilliant
Jan 08 21:25:41 <PeteS> Are there any tricks to getting the LogCat scroll lock to work in Eclipse? This feature has basically never worked in any version of the SDK that I've used in the last 4 years.
Jan 08 21:26:39 <platzhirsch> has someone experience with the adb shell emulating key input? I would like to write unicode, in my case umlauts, but it seems not to be supported with a direct key mapping, nor do I see how to emulate it
Jan 08 21:26:43 <belgianguy> but isn't this what the Surface _was_?
Jan 08 21:26:48 <belgianguy> the table thing
Jan 08 21:26:55 <lov> ctate: does it come with a power loader?
Jan 08 21:26:57 <g00s> this is only 20" :D
Jan 08 21:26:59 <lov> because if so that's awesome
Jan 08 21:27:22 <Maurits_> belgianguy: well, in table format, yes
Jan 08 21:27:35 <belgianguy> 20"? That would crush a small child :p
Jan 08 21:27:39 <ctate> so why "4K"?
Jan 08 21:27:52 <lov> perhaps he meant 40k
Jan 08 21:27:58 <belgianguy> because that's the one thing > hdmi
Jan 08 21:28:04 * ctate |  4K UHD is a resolution of 3840 × 2160 (8.3 megapixels)
Jan 08 21:28:08 <belgianguy> but content gets compressed to 720p anyway
Jan 08 21:28:08 <lov> in the grim dark future, there are only tablets
Jan 08 21:28:11 <ctate> which doesn't say why "4K"
Jan 08 21:28:47 <belgianguy> yes, and the programmers and accountants will cling to their keyboards
Jan 08 21:29:19 <ctate> i guess it's 4x the pixel count of 1080p
Jan 08 21:29:29 <ctate> doesn't explain why K rather than X, say.
Jan 08 21:29:31 <belgianguy> but that homgenic pool might break up in a consumers vs consumer + producer roles
Jan 08 21:29:47 <jasta> yawn
Jan 08 21:30:01 <ctate> what the hell gpu are they using to drive that thing?
Jan 08 21:30:16 <belgianguy> well, they say it got hot
Jan 08 21:30:19 <belgianguy> so I guess ATI
Jan 08 21:30:42 <belgianguy> you can't write overheating without ATI
Jan 08 21:32:18 <jasta> hey evan
Jan 08 21:32:28 <SimonVT> I don't even..
Jan 08 21:32:52 <evanc> jasta: yo
Jan 08 21:35:13 <g00s> the only other cool thing i could remember hearing about from CES was the lilliputian fuel cell thing
Jan 08 21:37:17 <canadiancow> ctate, it's "approximately" 4k pixels by 2k pixels? :\
Jan 08 21:37:25 <g00s> i guess it will be available in summer
Jan 08 21:37:51 <g00s> project butter 4k :D
Jan 08 21:37:59 <CheaterCodes> any idea why my app crashes wenn creating a wakelock?
Jan 08 21:38:07 <CheaterCodes> *when
Jan 08 21:38:15 <g00s> do you have permission ?
Jan 08 21:38:23 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 21:38:23 <SimonVT> You didn't add the permission
Jan 08 21:38:33 <CheaterCodes> i added it in the manifest
Jan 08 21:38:37 <clever> CheaterCodes: do you have an exception and backtrace?
Jan 08 21:38:38 <canadiancow> stack trace or gtfo
Jan 08 21:39:07 <Trinity> ^ this
Jan 08 21:39:15 <CheaterCodes> no nothing...
Jan 08 21:39:20 <CheaterCodes> but an idea, wait
Jan 08 21:39:38 <clever> CheaterCodes: are you watching logcat?
Jan 08 21:39:40 <Trinity> canadiancow: "stack trace or gtfo"
Jan 08 21:39:49 <canadiancow> read the topic
Jan 08 21:39:50 <canadiancow> http://imgur.com/jacoj
Jan 08 21:39:58 <CheaterCodes> adb's still not working
Jan 08 21:40:35 <clever> CheaterCodes: lol
Jan 08 21:40:37 <clever> canadiancow: lol
Jan 08 21:40:41 <clever> CheaterCodes: oops
Jan 08 21:40:45 <Trinity> middle of aussie is at 127F? any australians here? wtf?
Jan 08 21:40:50 <canadiancow> fix adb
Jan 08 21:40:56 <CheaterCodes> I tried
Jan 08 21:41:04 <CheaterCodes> but I don't know what to do
Jan 08 21:41:07 <clever> CheaterCodes: what isnt working with adb?
Jan 08 21:41:25 <CheaterCodes> nothing ^^
Jan 08 21:41:29 <Trinity> CheaterCodes: restart device, restart computer, if that doesn't work make sure you have your USB drivers
Jan 08 21:41:33 <CheaterCodes> adb is starting
Jan 08 21:41:49 <belgianguy> do things like adb devices work?
Jan 08 21:41:52 <CheaterCodes> well, that would be a possible solutionn
Jan 08 21:42:04 <Trinity> wait the fuck you talking about, you can install your app but you cant view log cat
Jan 08 21:42:12 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 21:42:23 <clever> sounds like he broke adb after installing the app
Jan 08 21:42:25 <CheaterCodes> i download the app per usb
Jan 08 21:42:27 <Trinity> ^ LOl.
Jan 08 21:42:35 <clever> is your cat chewing on the usb cord again?
Jan 08 21:42:40 <Trinity> oh you downloaded it, is USB debugging on?
Jan 08 21:42:47 <CheaterCodes> yes it is
Jan 08 21:42:55 <clever> CheaterCodes: is the device listed under lsusb?
Jan 08 21:42:56 <Trinity> phone model?
Jan 08 21:43:05 <CheaterCodes> GT-I5800
Jan 08 21:43:12 <CheaterCodes> Samsung Galaxy 3
Jan 08 21:43:15 <Trinity> oS system?
Jan 08 21:43:19 <CheaterCodes> froyo
Jan 08 21:43:30 <belgianguy> pc os?
Jan 08 21:43:30 <Trinity> no, your computer
Jan 08 21:43:35 <clever> CheaterCodes: is the device listed under lsusb?
Jan 08 21:44:05 <Trinity> could you use adb for that device before?
Jan 08 21:44:07 <CheaterCodes> lsusb?
Jan 08 21:44:10 <CheaterCodes> no
Jan 08 21:44:16 <clever> then its not plugged in
Jan 08 21:44:17 <belgianguy> CheaterCodes: that's Linux command :)
Jan 08 21:44:22 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 21:44:24 <CheaterCodes> i think so
Jan 08 21:44:26 <Trinity> okay, go download usb drivers
Jan 08 21:44:27 <CheaterCodes> ^^
Jan 08 21:44:32 <CheaterCodes> I'm running on Windows
Jan 08 21:44:34 <Trinity> yea
Jan 08 21:44:38 <clever> ah
Jan 08 21:44:41 <Trinity> your problem is you installed android without being admin
Jan 08 21:44:43 <CheaterCodes> driver is installed
Jan 08 21:44:49 <CheaterCodes> uhm...
Jan 08 21:44:50 <Trinity> wrong, you installed it as a user
Jan 08 21:44:53 <CheaterCodes> I should be admin
Jan 08 21:44:57 <CheaterCodes> but it's possible
Jan 08 21:45:04 <belgianguy> can't you restart adb as admin?
Jan 08 21:45:05 <Trinity> sometimes it doenst work, you have to explicably
Jan 08 21:45:12 <Trinity> INSTALL as admin
Jan 08 21:45:15 <Trinity> meaning right click run as admin
Jan 08 21:45:15 <CheaterCodes> I did, but it didn't help
Jan 08 21:45:29 <belgianguy> the installer, not the exe
Jan 08 21:45:35 <CheaterCodes> well
Jan 08 21:45:45 <CheaterCodes> should i uninstall it now?
Jan 08 21:46:36 <Trinity> yes
Jan 08 21:46:39 <Trinity> install only usb drivers
Jan 08 21:46:47 <Trinity> and reinstall as admin so you dont have to reinstall everything
Jan 08 21:46:47 <CheaterCodes> oh
Jan 08 21:46:50 <CheaterCodes> the drivers
Jan 08 21:47:15 <Trinity> uninstall*
Jan 08 21:48:01 <CheaterCodes> I used the device manager
Jan 08 21:48:13 <Trinity> yes you have to start device manager as admin
Jan 08 21:48:13 <CheaterCodes> it should have admin rights
Jan 08 21:48:23 <CheaterCodes> it always does
Jan 08 21:48:24 <Trinity> bro, do what i say and it should be fixed
Jan 08 21:48:28 <Trinity> i've had the same problem as you
Jan 08 21:48:34 <Trinity> for all my systems
Jan 08 21:49:00 <Trinity> find SDK Manager, right click it, run as admin
Jan 08 21:49:10 <CheaterCodes> sdk manager?
Jan 08 21:49:14 <CheaterCodes> things get clearer
Jan 08 21:49:40 <Trinity> fin USB Drivers in extra and deletepackage
Jan 08 21:49:47 <Trinity> and then reinstall pacakge in the same manager
Jan 08 21:49:56 <Trinity> which was opened as an administrator
Jan 08 21:50:55 <CheaterCodes> done
Jan 08 21:51:15 <Trinity> try it agin
Jan 08 21:51:50 <CheaterCodes> uh
Jan 08 21:51:55 <CheaterCodes> still not working, but
Jan 08 21:52:04 <CheaterCodes> i see adb in devices
Jan 08 21:52:18 <clever> CheaterCodes: 'adb kill-server' then 'adb devices'
Jan 08 21:53:12 <CheaterCodes> clever, nothing
Jan 08 21:53:22 <clever> unplug and replug it?
Jan 08 21:53:40 <CheaterCodes> so i have adb now in devices but it seems to be without correct driver
Jan 08 21:53:45 <Trinity> and restart your pc
Jan 08 21:53:56 <CheaterCodes> good idea
Jan 08 21:54:03 <Trinity> new drivers = restart
Jan 08 21:54:09 <clever> oh the joys of winblows!
Jan 08 21:55:07 <CheaterCodes> I'll be back soon :)
Jan 08 21:55:18 <Trinity> canadiancow: gtfo operation complete.
Jan 08 21:55:36 <clever> Trinity: :D
Jan 08 21:56:50 <CheaterCodes> on joy of windows 8 ;)
Jan 08 21:57:05 <Trinity> did it work?
Jan 08 21:57:26 <CheaterCodes> looks good
Jan 08 21:57:36 <tnzr> is there any way to get the content view from an Activity without holding onto it?
Jan 08 21:58:00 <Trinity> cheatercodes: now to fix your crash error
Jan 08 21:58:04 <Trinity> pastebin your logcat
Jan 08 21:58:20 <CheaterCodes> didn't work...
Jan 08 21:59:09 <CheaterCodes> S3C6410 Android ADB has no driver
Jan 08 21:59:19 <CheaterCodes> i think that shouldn't be
Jan 08 21:59:49 <Trinity> did you get a prompt or anything
Jan 08 21:59:53 <Trinity> when you replugged your device in?
Jan 08 21:59:55 <CheaterCodes> no nothing
Jan 08 21:59:56 <Trinity> about new drivers?
Jan 08 22:00:00 <CheaterCodes> no
Jan 08 22:00:01 <Trinity> unplug and replug
Jan 08 22:00:19 <Trinity> and dont press anything when that dialog pops up
Jan 08 22:00:30 <CheaterCodes> nothing
Jan 08 22:00:34 <Jouva> So there's arcade games out there that have an RFID card that can be read to keep track of players. I found out this card can be read via NfcV tech. If I wanted to emulate such a card with my phone, is there a way to do something similar to NDEF Push, whereby nothing happens until it's close to another RFID/NFC reader and THEN it responds with the data?
Jan 08 22:00:39 <platzhirsch> someone knows the adb shell commands for setting value to the clibboard and pasting it?
Jan 08 22:00:56 <CheaterCodes> oh dear...
Jan 08 22:01:11 <CheaterCodes> that app should be finished till thursday :(
Jan 08 22:01:11 <Trinity> ahh i see
Jan 08 22:01:29 <Trinity> you need extra drivers i believe but that admin install shouldve helped with future bugs
Jan 08 22:01:30 <Trinity> http://cruzsupport.velocitymicro.com/link/portal/5462/5758/Article/858/How-do-I-install-the-ADB-Driver
Jan 08 22:01:32 <Trinity> try that
Jan 08 22:02:24 <clever> Jouva: depends heavily on if they use the same freq and protocol
Jan 08 22:05:14 <Trinity> canadiancow: are you familiar with android billing?
Jan 08 22:05:17 <Jouva> clever: Ok. Though I'd love to know where to start. I see commands to write to a card, but I get the feeling this is not the same as having a reader try to read the phone as a card
Jan 08 22:06:31 <CheaterCodes> hm...
Jan 08 22:06:37 <RustyShackleford> I would like to add custom objects to an ArrayAdapter
Jan 08 22:06:38 <CheaterCodes> doesn't work
Jan 08 22:06:50 <RustyShackleford> currently the ArrayAdapter is displaying toString() of my object
Jan 08 22:06:53 <CheaterCodes> windows doesn'T think that this are correct drivers
Jan 08 22:07:07 <g00s> RustyShackleford: use BaseAdapter; ArrayAdapter sucks
Jan 08 22:07:20 <RustyShackleford> I have a few different members that I would like to bind to different TextViews
Jan 08 22:08:00 <RustyShackleford> so first I need a custom list item
Jan 08 22:08:28 <RustyShackleford> how do I bind content to this custom list item? I'm gonna have to subclass some adapter
Jan 08 22:10:03 <Trinity> cheatercodes: whats the error
Jan 08 22:10:13 <Trinity> or notification
Jan 08 22:10:24 <CheaterCodes> i used the device manager
Jan 08 22:10:41 <CheaterCodes> uhm...
Jan 08 22:10:46 <CheaterCodes> I have a german OS
Jan 08 22:11:00 <Trinity> german PC or german Android
Jan 08 22:11:04 <CheaterCodes> I have to translate the buttons etc.
Jan 08 22:11:25 <CheaterCodes> i right-clicked the device
Jan 08 22:11:29 <CheaterCodes> update driver
Jan 08 22:11:41 <RustyShackleford> I still can't get over it - talking to someone on practically the other side of the earth in a chat room.
Jan 08 22:11:49 <RustyShackleford> the future is here
Jan 08 22:11:56 <CheaterCodes> look for software manually
Jan 08 22:12:03 <CheaterCodes> choosed the directory
Jan 08 22:12:17 <CheaterCodes> next
Jan 08 22:12:17 <RustyShackleford> its 4pm here, what time is it in germany?
Jan 08 22:12:30 <CheaterCodes> and then it aid, that it found no suitable drivers
Jan 08 22:12:30 <belgianguy> 23:12 I think :p
Jan 08 22:12:36 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:12:44 <CheaterCodes> but I'm actually not in germany
Jan 08 22:12:52 <CheaterCodes> I'm from Austria
Jan 08 22:12:57 <CheaterCodes> :)
Jan 08 22:12:59 <RustyShackleford> my bad
Jan 08 22:13:12 <CheaterCodes> no problem
Jan 08 22:13:14 <RustyShackleford> I know a few Germans/Austrians. The distinction is important to them
Jan 08 22:13:28 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:13:46 <CheaterCodes> about the same with US/UK
Jan 08 22:13:51 <drew80> anyone have experience with webkit on 2.3?
Jan 08 22:14:28 <Trinity> alright cheatcodes: you need samsung tool kit since you said it was a samsung g 3?
Jan 08 22:14:36 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:14:38 <Trinity> sorry for all the things that needs to be done
Jan 08 22:14:50 <Trinity> almost as conflicting as me trying to install prism drivers
Jan 08 22:14:55 <CheaterCodes> I thank you for your help
Jan 08 22:15:19 <Trinity> let me get the link for the tool kit
Jan 08 22:15:42 <Trinity> www.mediafire.com/?i7hdst060fjh9a9
Jan 08 22:16:00 <Trinity> alright make sure when you install it you only select the first option
Jan 08 22:16:14 <Trinity> to install the samsung usb drivers
Jan 08 22:16:32 <Trinity> dont install anything else like KIES since that shits all bloatware and youll hate it once you get it on your comp
Jan 08 22:17:04 <CheaterCodes> will this work with galaxy 3?
Jan 08 22:17:39 <Trinity> its specifically meant for galaxy 3
Jan 08 22:18:19 <Trinity> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5sF-ye-VVNM/UJsgXrax13I/AAAAAAAAAzU/Be87YbM_FCw/s485/Snap_2012.11.08_02h52m48s_001_.png
Jan 08 22:18:21 <hwrd|work> What's the cheapest viewgroup to use in xml as a wrapper?
Jan 08 22:18:23 <Trinity> js making sure tahts your phone right?
Jan 08 22:24:10 <evanc> hwrd|work: probably FrameLayout
Jan 08 22:25:01 <RustyShackleford> what do I need to do to have a custom Adapter that when an object is added, member a is displayed in textView A, member b is displayed in textViewB, etc.
Jan 08 22:27:33 <CheaterCodes> well
Jan 08 22:27:39 <CheaterCodes> virus, isn't it?
Jan 08 22:27:49 <Trinity> no
Jan 08 22:27:53 <CheaterCodes> well
Jan 08 22:27:59 <CheaterCodes> there was one
Jan 08 22:28:02 <Trinity> As the ToolKit.exe and ModsSection.exe files are not Digitally Signed with a Microsoft Certificate they 'may' get picked up as potentially harmful by Antivirus Programs and deleted on first run. If this happens restore the file and exclude it from future scans to use it. This seems to happen mostly on AVG Free and Norton which is why I switched to BitDefender which is much better.
Jan 08 22:28:18 <Trinity> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979290
Jan 08 22:28:21 <CheaterCodes> this isn't the problem
Jan 08 22:28:22 <Trinity> wasn't from me either ways
Jan 08 22:28:45 <CheaterCodes> as you might have noticed, I was absent for some time
Jan 08 22:29:11 <CheaterCodes> this was, because some application made it to my autostart
Jan 08 22:30:25 <maslen> Besides the basic UI listeners, are there any other events that a callback can be registered for?
Jan 08 22:30:59 <CheaterCodes> luckily i was able to deactivate it in autostart
Jan 08 22:31:05 <hwrd|work> evanc: Yes, that makes sense. Thanks.
Jan 08 22:31:27 <CheaterCodes> it's called
Jan 08 22:31:34 <CheaterCodes> nslookup APP
Jan 08 22:32:03 <Trinity> http://androidevolved.com/forums/galaxy-s-iii-root-unroot-roms-kernels-drivers-recovery-etc/1793-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-usb-driver-download.html
Jan 08 22:32:05 <Trinity> try that
Jan 08 22:32:09 <Trinity> the link is from samsung directly
Jan 08 22:32:13 <Trinity> download link*
Jan 08 22:32:19 <Trinity> so there shouldn't be any "viruses"
Jan 08 22:32:32 <CheaterCodes> well
Jan 08 22:32:44 <CheaterCodes> first i have to get away this one
Jan 08 22:32:52 <devslash> I put a script to help out android devs. Not sure where to post it
Jan 08 22:33:12 <belgianguy> devslash: xda?
Jan 08 22:33:24 <devslash> Did
Jan 08 22:33:34 <devslash> Oh well I tried
Jan 08 22:34:48 <belgianguy> devslash: google for the issue you solved
Jan 08 22:34:53 <belgianguy> and post there?
Jan 08 22:34:58 <devslash> It's not an issue
Jan 08 22:35:10 <Trinity> CheaterCodes: when you've fixed it, http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=US&CttFileID=5299860&CDCttType=SW&ModelType=C&ModelName=SGH-T999MBATMB&VPath=SW/201211/20121113035300935/Samsung_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones_v1.5.14.0.exe
Jan 08 22:35:17 <Trinity> straight from samsung
Jan 08 22:35:26 <CheaterCodes> thnk you
Jan 08 22:35:30 <devslash> You know how the Google dev console shows all apps including unpublished apps?
Jan 08 22:35:36 <CheaterCodes> but sgsIII != sgIII
Jan 08 22:35:50 <CheaterCodes> hm...
Jan 08 22:36:04 <CheaterCodes> seems that it hided as rundll32
Jan 08 22:40:40 <pierpark> which API version stops having a context menu button/option
Jan 08 22:41:48 <Trinity> CheaterCodes: try that usb driver i gave you to see if it worked
Jan 08 22:42:00 <Trinity> if not im afraid the only usb drivers out there that address sgs3 is from this link, http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?778218-SGS-3-TOOLKIT-V4-0-Drivers-Backup-Root-CWM-BusyBox-MORE-GSM
Jan 08 22:42:06 <Trinity> the same one that gave you your suspected virus
Jan 08 22:45:37 <CheaterCodes> looks good...
Jan 08 22:45:54 <Trinity> the samsung drivers?
Jan 08 22:46:04 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:46:09 <CheaterCodes> reboot
Jan 08 22:48:50 <CheaterCodes> oh dear...
Jan 08 22:49:15 <Trinity> ?
Jan 08 22:49:35 <CheaterCodes> problems in the project
Jan 08 22:50:13 <belgianguy> Eclipse?
Jan 08 22:50:21 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:50:23 <CheaterCodes> BUT
Jan 08 22:50:28 <CheaterCodes> adb found the device :)
Jan 08 22:50:36 <ctate> \o/
Jan 08 22:50:41 <Trinity> yay!
Jan 08 22:50:44 <belgianguy> hurrah
Jan 08 22:50:56 <CheaterCodes> thank you
Jan 08 22:51:01 <Trinity> sorry for the suspected virus ;/, but ill try to help with the project
Jan 08 22:51:07 <Trinity> if you need help with the errors
Jan 08 22:51:13 <CheaterCodes> yes
Jan 08 22:51:17 <CheaterCodes> please :)
Jan 08 22:51:32 <CheaterCodes> seems to be only one problem
Jan 08 22:52:09 <CheaterCodes> The import android cannot be resolved
Jan 08 22:52:19 <CheaterCodes> same with java
Jan 08 22:52:45 <belgianguy> perhaps Eclipse is total loss?
Jan 08 22:52:53 <belgianguy> what happens if you open another project?
Jan 08 22:52:55 <belgianguy> that used to work?
Jan 08 22:53:18 <CheaterCodes> same with the other one
Jan 08 22:53:28 <belgianguy> well then it's not the project IMO
Jan 08 22:53:29 <CheaterCodes> I only have two ;)
Jan 08 22:53:39 <belgianguy> make a hello world app
Jan 08 22:53:44 <belgianguy> does that compile?
Jan 08 22:53:45 <CheaterCodes> and it is also opened
Jan 08 22:53:47 <belgianguy> just to be sure
Jan 08 22:53:55 <belgianguy> and close the others
Jan 08 22:54:04 <CheaterCodes> shown in the project explorer
Jan 08 22:54:07 <belgianguy> eclipse can be harrowing
Jan 08 22:54:25 <belgianguy> errors you should manually delete etc, who ever thought that to be a good idea?
Jan 08 22:54:58 <CheaterCodes> doesn't compile
Jan 08 22:55:14 <belgianguy> and just a java program?
Jan 08 22:55:39 <belgianguy> what error does it throw?
Jan 08 22:55:47 <CheaterCodes> I don't have any ;)
Jan 08 22:55:48 <Trinity> damn, cheatercodes you're one unlucky guy
Jan 08 22:55:54 <Trinity> write a simple ajva program
Jan 08 22:56:23 <belgianguy> if that doesn't parse, it's time to look at IntelliJ, counseling
Jan 08 22:59:15 <belgianguy> Eclipse ate some of my projects too
Jan 08 22:59:20 <Trinity> really?
Jan 08 22:59:26 <Trinity> ive always managed to fix the errors
Jan 08 22:59:40 <belgianguy> yeah, but I usually just rebooted and made a new project
Jan 08 22:59:40 <Trinity> sometimes its really werid where you have to export delete and reimport a couple of times
Jan 08 22:59:43 <belgianguy> reimported
Jan 08 22:59:51 <belgianguy> and it would work again
Jan 08 22:59:58 <Trinity> imo the errors started with the new adt 17
Jan 08 23:00:24 <Trinity> not sure if it was 17 but it was one of the new adts/apis
Jan 08 23:00:29 <belgianguy> or the ADT integration
Jan 08 23:00:45 <Trinity> mhm, with the extra shit in values and layout
Jan 08 23:00:51 <Trinity> helps fragmentation but screws with the rest of us
Jan 08 23:02:14 <CheaterCodes> oh dear
Jan 08 23:02:33 <CheaterCodes> I'm not even able to create a simple Console program in Java ^^
Jan 08 23:02:42 <belgianguy> I'm still on Indigo btw
Jan 08 23:02:42 <belgianguy> Usually I'm an upgrade junky
Jan 08 23:02:42 <belgianguy> but when Eclipse does what I want it to do, I'm a happy man
Jan 08 23:03:47 <CheaterCodes> 		Console c = System.console();
Jan 08 23:03:47 <CheaterCodes> 		c.readLine();
Jan 08 23:03:53 <CheaterCodes> shouldn't that do it
Jan 08 23:03:55 <CheaterCodes> ?
Jan 08 23:04:24 <Trinity> cheatercodes try a simple static void main program
Jan 08 23:04:25 <evanc> CheaterCodes: on Android...?
Jan 08 23:04:32 <CheaterCodes> no java
Jan 08 23:04:38 <Trinity> and what version of eclipse are you running?
Jan 08 23:04:52 <CheaterCodes> only main works
Jan 08 23:05:34 <CheaterCodes> june service release 1
Jan 08 23:06:51 <Trinity> no like, indigo, classic
Jan 08 23:06:55 <Trinity> etc
Jan 08 23:07:15 <CheaterCodes> don't know
Jan 08 23:08:06 <Trinity> i gotta brb, be back in 20 minutes
Jan 08 23:08:38 <Trinity> but cheatercodes: http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/installing-adt.html
Jan 08 23:08:46 <Trinity> backup all of your projects
Jan 08 23:08:50 <Trinity> and reinstall following those directions
Jan 08 23:08:59 <Trinity> you don tneed to reinstall sdk, just eclipse
Jan 08 23:09:09 <Trinity> but follow the recommendations android gives
Jan 08 23:09:20 <CheaterCodes> puh...
Jan 08 23:09:29 <Trinity> ill be back in 20 minutes so ill help you when i get back
Jan 08 23:11:38 <CheaterCodes> isn't there an option to reset eclipse?
Jan 08 23:16:31 <CheaterCodes> I just opened the project again
Jan 08 23:16:39 <CheaterCodes> now i have only one error left
Jan 08 23:16:50 <damccull> What are some advantages of android development without Eclipse and the ADT plugin?
Jan 08 23:16:52 <CheaterCodes> The type java.lang.Object cannot be resolved. It is indirectly referenced from required .class files
Jan 08 23:17:05 <canadiancow> damccull, you dont have to deal with eclispe? :P
Jan 08 23:17:10 <canadiancow> personally, i prefer using eclipse+adt
Jan 08 23:17:25 <canadiancow> but if there was an "official" (or awesome) plugin for another ide, i'd probably switch
Jan 08 23:18:09 <damccull> canadiancow, I like eclipse-adt for the ui editor, auto-build and the pretty logcat but I believe I can two of those without it right?
Jan 08 23:18:23 <g00s> canadiancow: are there any technical / political factors preventing google from contributing to the intellij android plugin ?
Jan 08 23:18:38 <g00s> it could be focus & resource related too, i guess
Jan 08 23:19:25 <canadiancow> i have no idea
Jan 08 23:19:46 <canadiancow> if i had to guess, it's that the "new build system" that was discussed is takign most of the effort
Jan 08 23:20:06 <canadiancow> damccull, logcat works fine if you just run "monitor"
Jan 08 23:20:54 <damccull> new build system? i must read about this...
Jan 08 23:20:59 <CheaterCodes> adt might be cool in visual studio
Jan 08 23:21:31 <canadiancow> does VS support java?
Jan 08 23:21:39 <canadiancow> but the bigger problem there is that VS is windows-only
Jan 08 23:22:20 <canadiancow> the "official" ide really needs to support win/mac/linux
Jan 08 23:23:22 <g00s> maybe i can do android dev from a Ubuntu Phone :D :D :D
Jan 08 23:24:18 <p_l> canadiancow: you can support anything you want inside VS
Jan 08 23:24:57 <g00s> i bet p_l has already found his VS prolog plugin
Jan 08 23:26:01 <canadiancow> ok p_l, but that doesnt help the multi-platform aspect ;P
Jan 08 23:27:35 <CheaterCodes> true thing
Jan 08 23:27:52 <CheaterCodes> java only on windows makes no sense
Jan 08 23:27:54 <damccull> hmm sounds interesting but whatev. I don't use all those features anyways
Jan 08 23:28:16 <edcba> is there some android java editor with completion ?
Jan 08 23:28:17 <CheaterCodes> but for developing on windows, vs is the best
Jan 08 23:28:24 <damccull> canadiancow, there needs to be a plugin for SublimeText2
Jan 08 23:29:29 <canadiancow> edcba, what?
Jan 08 23:29:35 <canadiancow> you mean like...eclipse+adt?
Jan 08 23:31:18 <g00s> woud probably be easier to have a sublime plugin for eclipse :P
Jan 08 23:31:31 <g00s> like the vim / eclipse one
Jan 08 23:32:38 <mheld> hey y'all
Jan 08 23:33:08 <mheld> how would I make this effect on a textview -> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63726/Screen%20Shot%202013-01-08%20at%203.21.04%20PM.png ?
Jan 08 23:41:28 <canadiancow> mheld, there's like a drop shadow or something like that
Jan 08 23:41:34 <canadiancow> have you rtied the TextView docs?
Jan 08 23:42:07 <canadiancow> android:shadow*
Jan 08 23:45:33 <Trinity> cheatercode: did everything workout?
Jan 08 23:45:57 <Trinity> canadiancow: you there?
Jan 08 23:46:17 <canadiancow> WHAT
Jan 08 23:46:33 <Trinity> =[, do you know the process for staff picked games?
Jan 08 23:46:33 <canadiancow> dont say my name unless it's followed by something that is only relevant to me
Jan 08 23:46:41 <canadiancow> that is not relevant to me
Jan 08 23:46:51 <Trinity> ahaha alright
Jan 08 23:53:58 <mheld> canadiancow: I tried that a while back, but I wasn't able to get the shadow to be anywhere close
Jan 08 23:54:21 <canadiancow> then extend TextView, override onDraw, and do it yourself
Jan 08 23:55:15 <Syzygy_> I cleaned my project and now my R file is missing, this gives me tons of errors for classes that need R and so I can't clean my project to get it back, what should I do?
Jan 08 23:56:03 <hwrd|work> Syzygy_: ant clean?
Jan 08 23:56:57 <hwrd|work> Does someone know a trick around the unavoidable jitter that seems to happen if I do an animation and FragmentTransaction at the same time?
Jan 08 23:57:09 <Syzygy_> need to check how to do that on eclipse
Jan 08 23:57:18 <hwrd|work> Syzygy_: not in eclipse
Jan 08 23:57:21 <hwrd|work> in your project directory
Jan 08 23:57:39 <hwrd|work> alternatively, you can do a project clean in eclipse, which should delete the bin/ and gen/ folders and solve your poblem...
Jan 08 23:57:42 <hwrd|work> *problem
Jan 08 23:58:18 <Syzygy_> i believe when there are errors in the project it won't create an R file
Jan 08 23:58:31 <Syzygy_> and since the R file is missing, there are errors in the project.
Jan 08 23:59:42 <CheaterCodes> i had the same prolem
Jan 08 23:59:51 <CheaterCodes> building the problem solved it
Jan 09 00:00:10 <CheaterCodes> *solved the problem
Jan 09 00:01:01 <Syzygy_> doesn't seem to work
Jan 09 00:03:34 <hwrd|work> I recommend using the ant tool, if you can :-\
Jan 09 00:03:35 <hwrd|work> Also intellij
Jan 09 00:03:53 <Syzygy_> I used intelliJ once and it was a horrible experience
Jan 09 00:03:58 <Trinity> have you all checked problems in eclipse?
Jan 09 00:04:06 <Trinity> "error log"
Jan 09 00:04:10 <pfn> intellij isn't a horrible experience
Jan 09 00:04:14 <Syzygy_> it was for me
Jan 09 00:04:18 <pfn> but every IDE is a horrible experience, comparatively speaking
Jan 09 00:04:48 <Syzygy_> visual studio is quite pleasant actually, but I guess that's out of the question for this project
Jan 09 00:05:24 <pfn> visual studio isn't pleasant...
Jan 09 00:05:40 <pfn> but then again, people who use visual studio don't really know how to use computers  ;-)
Jan 09 00:07:17 <monsti> pfn: so you claim i am stupid?
Jan 09 00:07:36 <pfn> monsti, I dunno, are you?  ;-()
Jan 09 00:07:42 <oGMo> hehe
Jan 09 00:09:14 <monsti> pfn: you must be more intelligent then me, you won
Jan 09 00:09:19 <pfn> you kinda trapped yourself there
Jan 09 00:09:41 <CheaterCodes> I have only one problem
Jan 09 00:09:53 <CheaterCodes> no wait
Jan 09 00:09:54 <CheaterCodes> 2
Jan 09 00:09:55 <monsti> pfn: yeah you are far supperior than i am
Jan 09 00:11:10 <CheaterCodes> The type java.lang.Object cannot be resolved. It is indirectly referenced from required .class files
Jan 09 00:11:21 <CheaterCodes> The type java.lang.Object cannot be resolved. It is indirectly referenced from required .class files
Jan 09 00:11:33 <pfn> proguard eh
Jan 09 00:18:32 <mheld> canadiancow: that... is reasonable. thanks :-)
Jan 09 00:19:10 <canadiancow> pfn, VS is my fav IDE
Jan 09 00:19:35 <monsti> canadiancow: yeah i feel so stupid
Jan 09 00:22:12 <CheaterCodes> so gn8
Jan 09 00:22:23 <CheaterCodes> I hope I can get rid of the problems soon
Jan 09 00:38:10 <bluwhale> I'm working with gestures in my app for the first time. I'm a bit confused by the options though. What exactly is the relationship between the GestureDetector, and the GestureOverlayView?
Jan 09 02:02:08 <RaMcHiP> Hello to all!
Jan 09 02:04:23 <RaMcHiP> I have a qestion on how to write back to the gui once you have created a new thread.  Is anyone willing to help a noob out?
Jan 09 02:05:00 <bankai_> RaMcHiP: what's your actual question? what are you trying to do ?
Jan 09 02:05:00 <RaMcHiP> I have tried asynctask and new thread and have gotten new thread to work but I cannot write back to the GUI :(
Jan 09 02:05:58 <RaMcHiP> I have a login/registration system.  Since the login is a long task I run it on a new thread.  Within that thread I want to write back to the GUI thread to update a GUI object but I cannot figure it out for the life  of me :(.
Jan 09 02:07:13 <RaMcHiP> http://pastebin.com/Hh7hR4R9
Jan 09 02:07:39 <RaMcHiP> line 93 is where I throw a thread exception
Jan 09 02:08:55 <RaMcHiP> Everything else is great. I generally dont like to poke and ask but this has been bugging me and java is a VERY new language to me :)
Jan 09 02:12:06 <RaMcHiP> Please tell me I have not created a mess there :D
Jan 09 02:12:16 <PeteS> RaMcHiP: I'm assuming that the general answer to your question is to either create a runnable that you pass to YourActivity.runOnUIThread(), or,
Jan 09 02:13:06 <PeteS> create a message handler in your main activity that does the UI updating, and then have your asynctask pass a message to the handler. The handler gets executed on the UI thread so it is allowed to make changes
Jan 09 02:13:26 <RaMcHiP> I have been trying to figure that out but everything I try seems to fail miserably :D
Jan 09 02:13:41 <RaMcHiP> Do you have a good example that I could reverse engineer?
Jan 09 02:14:12 <PeteS> I don't, but just Google for runOnUIThread example or message handler example
Jan 09 02:14:33 <PeteS> you're looking at like 3-4 lines of code so it's not that bad
Jan 09 02:14:35 <RaMcHiP> I Have looked through like 20 tutorials and its BEYOND confusing to me
Jan 09 02:15:03 <PeteS> one sec let me find a runnable example
Jan 09 02:15:33 <RaMcHiP> Would you mind editing that code if its that straight forward? :) I truly hate to ask but I have been ripping my hair out.  I know its so ridiculously simple but I have just been grasping it for some reason.
Jan 09 02:15:52 <RaMcHiP> If I have one working example I can apply that to the rest of my code :D
Jan 09 02:16:06 <Trinity> ramchip
Jan 09 02:16:09 <Trinity> what are you trying to accomplish
Jan 09 02:16:27 <RaMcHiP> To write back to the GUI from a new thread.
Jan 09 02:16:45 <Trinity> are you sure you have to write back form a new thread?
Jan 09 02:16:49 <RaMcHiP> I have a login system that sends JSON requests, well if I get a bad user/pass error I want it to update GUI
Jan 09 02:16:55 <Trinity> so its httppost?
Jan 09 02:17:02 <RaMcHiP> but I must run the JSON request handler in a new thread
Jan 09 02:17:09 <Trinity> using asynctask is fine
Jan 09 02:17:11 <RaMcHiP> I have the code here http://pastebin.com/Hh7hR4R9
Jan 09 02:17:23 <RaMcHiP> Yeah but I have been very confused how to deploy async properly
Jan 09 02:17:38 <Trinity> the formatting for that pastebin is barely readable lol
Jan 09 02:17:51 <RaMcHiP> I have tried like 20 tutorials and they all seem to have different conflicting information about handlers and guiupdates and async and which is best for what.
Jan 09 02:17:52 <Trinity> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html
Jan 09 02:18:11 <Trinity> use asynctask if it's a onetime thing and you dont want to stall the UI thread
Jan 09 02:18:32 <Trinity> use a background thread if the background thread will exist throughout the lifecycle of the activity
Jan 09 02:18:43 <Trinity> in your case, for httpPost requests you want to use an asnyctask
Jan 09 02:18:55 <RaMcHiP> I have tried that and it never works
Jan 09 02:18:59 <Trinity> because your user would only be using httpPost only when they press the login button
Jan 09 02:19:17 <Trinity> ramchip: you integrated it wrong. I have it working myself. its quite simple once you understand the concept behind it
Jan 09 02:19:51 <Trinity> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/AsyncTask.html , read that and try to create a separate project to test it
Jan 09 02:19:53 <RaMcHiP> I just need a piece of functioning code so I can see it work then I can grasp it.  That code on devs makes no sense on how to apply it to my particular problem.
Jan 09 02:19:53 <PeteS> ramchip: http://goo.gl/VdmUL
Jan 09 02:20:03 <p_l> ... anyone looked at CES keynote? o_O
Jan 09 02:20:19 <Trinity> petes: that wouldn't work, hes trying to do a HTTP post
Jan 09 02:20:38 <RaMcHiP> I have read that too :(
Jan 09 02:20:41 <PeteS> Trinity: sorry, I just got back from looking for that example, didn't catch up on the convo
Jan 09 02:20:52 <Trinity> rammpchip: ill try to get you an old example i gave a friend of mine
Jan 09 02:20:58 <Trinity> for your exact issue, a login system
Jan 09 02:21:29 <RaMcHiP> I dont see how I can use asynctask to my issue without rewriting the whole friggin thing from scratch
Jan 09 02:21:33 <PeteS> sorry, what does HTTP post have to do with it?
Jan 09 02:21:45 <RaMcHiP> I assumed it was just like 2-4 lines of SIMPLE code
Jan 09 02:22:01 <Trinity> petes: hes trying to post json to his server im assuming, since hes trying to make a login system
Jan 09 02:22:02 <RaMcHiP> added in at one place maybe subclassing the GUI update
Jan 09 02:22:10 <RaMcHiP> Yeah
Jan 09 02:22:18 <PeteS> right, but why does that prevent him from calling a runnable on the ui thread?
Jan 09 02:22:22 <Trinity> runonUI thread is part of it
Jan 09 02:22:32 <Trinity> but that would only solve the issue of posting back to UI thread
Jan 09 02:22:45 <Trinity> running an httpPost on UI thread would stall the UI and is bad practice
Jan 09 02:23:08 <PeteS> I didn't look in depth at the rest of what's going on, but I thought there was an asynctask going on too
Jan 09 02:23:16 <canadiancow> RaMcHiP, what exactly is your problem? one line please. i dont feel like reading back
Jan 09 02:23:59 <RaMcHiP> line 93 of this code http://pastebin.com/Hh7hR4R9 throws a thread exception that I cannot update a GUI from new thread
Jan 09 02:24:51 <canadiancow> runOnUiThread(new Runnable() { @Override public void run() { /* your UI code here */ } });
Jan 09 02:25:13 <the_jeebster> Are there any plans to allow for programmatic view creation in Java instead of XML?
Jan 09 02:25:19 <canadiancow> ???
Jan 09 02:25:20 <canadiancow> yes
Jan 09 02:25:30 <canadiancow> and those plans were executed back in 2006-2007
Jan 09 02:25:46 <the_jeebster> really? sweet
Jan 09 02:26:13 <the_jeebster> where can I find such guides on doing so rather than setting values in strings, manifests, etc.
Jan 09 02:26:15 <RaMcHiP> testing canadian
Jan 09 02:26:23 <Trinity> RaMcHiP: i'll get you an example in like 5 minutes. Let me finish what im doing now and ill pastebin an old project i did which used a login system
Jan 09 02:26:29 <the_jeebster> I'm new to android dev and syntax errors in xml are virtually untraceable
Jan 09 02:26:35 <the_jeebster> I almost threw a chair through my wall
Jan 09 02:26:41 <the_jeebster> other than that I love android
Jan 09 02:27:52 <canadiancow> RaMcHiP, you really want to look into AsyncTask though
Jan 09 02:27:57 <canadiancow> it manages the thread stuff for you
Jan 09 02:28:26 <canadiancow> your background code goes in doInBackground and your UI code in onPostExecute
Jan 09 02:28:30 <canadiancow> the_jeebster, if you're new to android dev, use xml
Jan 09 02:28:37 <canadiancow> it is far better
Jan 09 02:28:51 <RaMcHiP> I know I really wish I could get a simple piece of code or apply it to this code.  This is beyond driving me bonkers that i cannot figure this out.  It seems so friggin simple
Jan 09 02:29:45 <the_jeebster> canadiancow: I'm thumbing through the API reference, and yes, it looks like everything is there
Jan 09 02:29:52 <the_jeebster> my major gripe is that you can't step through xml
Jan 09 02:29:52 <RaMcHiP> Now I am getting an error the method run() of new type runnable (){} must override a supler class method code here http://pastebin.com/zWdMH6mM
Jan 09 02:29:56 <the_jeebster> you can step through Java
Jan 09 02:30:07 <canadiancow> theres nothing to "step through"
Jan 09 02:30:19 <the_jeebster> exactly
Jan 09 02:30:22 <canadiancow> there's a whole visual designer
Jan 09 02:30:25 <the_jeebster> this is why I don't want to use xml
Jan 09 02:30:26 <canadiancow> i mean in setting attributes
Jan 09 02:30:32 <the_jeebster> and if I make a small error
Jan 09 02:30:35 <canadiancow> in java, the equivalent is view.setX(y); over and over
Jan 09 02:30:39 <canadiancow> then it will show up in the visual designer
Jan 09 02:30:40 <the_jeebster> in thousands of lines of code
Jan 09 02:30:51 <the_jeebster> how the hell am I supposed to trace that back to bad xml?
Jan 09 02:32:43 <canadiancow> becuase that's the view that looks bad?
Jan 09 02:32:53 <canadiancow> anyway im busy, not gonna argue
Jan 09 02:33:22 <RaMcHiP> I wish I knew what you guys were talking about :D
Jan 09 02:33:35 <canadiancow> but trust someone who is experienced
Jan 09 02:33:41 <karl___> My wifi on a fairly frequent basis gets and error and my wifi disables - is there a log i can view to figure out some more detailed information?
Jan 09 02:34:03 <RaMcHiP> I am trusting the guy with a voice symbol :D
Jan 09 02:34:15 <RaMcHiP> :D
Jan 09 02:34:41 <Trinity> ramchip: http://pastebin.com/nc0W8rHS
Jan 09 02:35:18 <RaMcHiP> SWEET Lemme fiddle W/ thank TYTY TY TY TY
Jan 09 02:35:20 <Trinity> the pastebin i gave my friend expired so heres your personal pastebin. should explain to you what asynctask does
Jan 09 02:35:34 <RaMcHiP> Yes looks VERY informative THANKS!
Jan 09 02:35:58 <Trinity> i didnt test it just to let you know
Jan 09 02:36:34 <Trinity> and doInBackground's return, returns to onPostExcute
Jan 09 02:36:39 <RaMcHiP> how do I pass the JSON return back to the onpostexecute
Jan 09 02:37:10 <Trinity> rofl, use an httpclient
Jan 09 02:37:23 <Trinity> should be, HttpResponse response = client.execute(post);
Jan 09 02:37:28 <Trinity> and you just return response;
Jan 09 02:37:44 <RaMcHiP> Now what if it logs in successfully how will that be handled will postexecute.  This is why it confuses the crap out of me
Jan 09 02:37:59 <RaMcHiP> I am truly starting to despise java LOL
Jan 09 02:38:18 <RaMcHiP> I am such a script kiddy.  NO OOP
Jan 09 02:39:32 <Trinity> ramchip: i'd recommend a javabook + android book before going any further
Jan 09 02:41:06 <RaMcHiP> Java to me makes no sense why half the things are the way they are LOL  I have been piecing this together and I plain and simply cannot get this 1 friggin thing to work and I have done everything else and now I am stuck on this crap that everyone says is like 4 lines of code just added in there but when I see examples or anything its totally rewriting the code over and nothing is even
Jan 09 02:41:07 <RaMcHiP> remotely linear
Jan 09 02:42:09 <g00s> RaMcHiP: cool story!
Jan 09 02:42:15 <g00s> LOL
Jan 09 02:42:25 <Trinity> rofl, either ways I know where you're coming from by jumping the gun and playing with android projects. I started out learning by just building projects and searching google. i'd advise a java book + android book though.
Jan 09 02:42:34 <Trinity> but if you still want to script kiddie it up, http://pastebin.com/LUYiK1qX
Jan 09 02:42:42 <RaMcHiP> LOL
Jan 09 02:42:47 <Trinity> that was a project like 2-3 years ago, and its completely outdated
Jan 09 02:43:05 <Trinity> youre going to have to do some configurations and implement that into asynctask if you want to have a good application going
Jan 09 02:43:23 <g00s> i hear LOL is a great book, btw
Jan 09 02:43:23 <Trinity> and dont forget the INTERNET permission
Jan 09 02:43:37 <RaMcHiP> Yeah that one I have :D
Jan 09 02:43:41 <p_l> g00s: little LOL or big LOL?
Jan 09 02:43:52 <RaMcHiP> little
Jan 09 02:44:02 <RaMcHiP> well alternating LoL
Jan 09 02:44:12 <Trinity> ramchip: and not to mention it includes like just about x10000 bad practices
Jan 09 02:44:17 <g00s> p_l: how many LOLs are there :P Hoyte's book
Jan 09 02:44:39 <p_l> g00s: that's big lol, let over lambda. Small lol is Barski's
Jan 09 02:44:49 <g00s> ah, ok !
Jan 09 02:44:53 <g00s> big LOL then
Jan 09 02:44:54 <g00s> http://www.amazon.com/Let-Over-Lambda-Doug-Hoyte/dp/1435712757
Jan 09 02:45:17 <p_l> g00s: well, big lol is rather for people who are already a bit experienced
Jan 09 02:45:26 <p_l> especially since it goes against conventions
Jan 09 02:45:27 <g00s> oh, Land of Lisp. hehe
Jan 09 02:46:01 <p_l> OTOH, have you seen Qualcomm's... weird... thingy from CES?
Jan 09 02:46:11 <g00s> the IoT stuff ?
Jan 09 02:46:28 <g00s> no, i didn't hear of anything else
Jan 09 02:46:30 <p_l> Generation M
Jan 09 02:46:37 <p_l> http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3850056/qualcomms-insane-ces-2013-keynote-pictures-tweets
Jan 09 02:47:39 <g00s> "The three actors were trying to represent three classes of young, hip mobile users. The Socialite, the Gamer, and the Entrepreneur."
Jan 09 02:47:55 <g00s> hehe
Jan 09 02:48:07 <p_l> I'm stuck in "flat what" condition handler
Jan 09 02:49:12 <g00s> The cognitive dissonance reached an all new high when Big Bird was followed by archbishop Desmond Tutu on the big screen.
Jan 09 02:49:17 <g00s> wat
Jan 09 02:49:34 <g00s> it must suck being a reporter and having to cover this shit
Jan 09 02:54:03 <RaMcHiP> sweet I think I got that runonuithreat working
Jan 09 02:54:21 <g00s> runOnUiThreat is 4.2 only, right ?
Jan 09 02:54:40 <g00s> never, ever run on a UI threat
Jan 09 02:54:49 <g00s> stand your ground !
Jan 09 02:54:57 <Trinity> nope
Jan 09 02:55:04 <Trinity> api 1
Jan 09 02:55:14 <g00s> threat, not thread :P
Jan 09 02:56:30 <RaMcHiP> LOL
Jan 09 02:56:33 <RaMcHiP> Thread
Jan 09 02:57:03 <RaMcHiP> Why not that seems like a great solution, that is really only like 4 lines :)
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:59 2013