**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:58 2013
Jan 15 03:04:12 <superfluous> we do not break userspace
Jan 15 03:05:07 <clever> superfluous: how do things like /sys/devices/virtual/android_usb/android0/f_accessory map to a daemon process?
Jan 15 03:05:32 <superfluous> clever: I haven't the slightest clue
Jan 15 03:05:50 <superfluous> I'm an iOS guy they're trying to make do Android work now that we lost half our mobile team :P
Jan 15 03:05:52 <clever> i'll keep poking arround randomly then
Jan 15 03:06:15 <clever> superfluous: i never even tried iOS, the buggers where forcing me to buy a mac to even try :P
Jan 15 03:06:25 <superfluous> linux guy?
Jan 15 03:06:36 <clever> yeah
Jan 15 03:06:43 <clever> i have some winblows systems also, but no luck for them either
Jan 15 03:07:23 <clever> hmmm, f_mtp (the function on the composite usb device) maps to the process f_mtp, which appears to be a kernel thread (0 bytes ram usage, no open files)
Jan 15 03:08:05 <clever> f_adb maps to adbd, which has a bunch of sockets open
Jan 15 03:08:23 <clever> at a guess, each function has its own way of connecting to the daemon, which may be in-kernel
Jan 15 03:11:21 <clever> /dev/usb_accessory
Jan 15 03:11:22 <clever> aha!
Jan 15 03:11:38 <clever> and adb uses /dev/android_adb
Jan 15 03:11:52 <pragma-> i/gnore clever 2400
Jan 15 03:11:56 <pragma-> oops
Jan 15 03:12:00 <clever> lol
Jan 15 03:12:04 <clever> i'll shut up :P
Jan 15 03:12:34 <pragma-> i figure you'll have shut up 40 minutes from now anyway
Jan 15 03:22:05 <xorgate> wupz just let my nexus7 reboot
Jan 15 03:28:51 <clever> dragorn: hmmm, weird, musb-otg is running, a kernel thread
Jan 15 03:31:04 <dragorn> clever: that could be client mode
Jan 15 03:32:02 <clever> dragorn: yeah, no real way to tell without more info, as best as i can tell, /dev/usb_accessory is opened by a service in the usb group, which negotiates all accessory stuff done thru the UsbManager service
Jan 15 03:32:11 <clever> so i think accessorys have a chance of working
Jan 15 03:58:23 <clever> dragorn: hmmm, i found a sample program that uses lubusb to turn a laptop into an accessory
Jan 15 03:58:35 <clever> dragorn: the galaxy S3 pops up an alert that i dont have the app for this accessory (yay)
Jan 15 03:58:48 <clever> the kindle, well, the usb completely crashed, it doesnt even enumerate now
Jan 15 03:59:06 <dragorn> clever: link?
Jan 15 03:59:15 <clever> dragorn: http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=262
Jan 15 03:59:17 <dragorn> oh, i misread
Jan 15 03:59:21 <dragorn> misinterpreted
Jan 15 03:59:23 <dragorn> cool still
Jan 15 03:59:35 <clever> i had to manualy edit the VID/PID of my device into the source
Jan 15 03:59:49 <clever> the notifications in the kindle show 'usb cable connected', but it isnt!
Jan 15 03:59:57 <clever> and nothing even shows up in lsusb now
Jan 15 04:08:15 <clever> dragorn: yeah, cant seem to force it on either, i'll have to research it more
Jan 15 04:14:22 <g00s> this android oven must be great for baking roms
Jan 15 04:44:00 <ali__> how do you make an app using JsonReader to work pre api level 11. Is it available in the compatibility library
Jan 15 04:45:20 <xorgate> i would just use JSONObject and such
Jan 15 04:46:22 <ali__> xorgate: this seems like a good option http://code.google.com/p/google-gson/downloads/list
Jan 15 04:46:36 <xorgate> yes many people use that as well
Jan 15 04:47:30 <ali__> xorgate: their api seems similar to the JsonReader class
Jan 15 04:47:44 <ali__> could be just a simple replace of imports
Jan 15 04:47:46 <ali__> will try
Jan 15 05:10:30 <winsen> good night
Jan 15 05:32:45 <appamatto> Are there many Android designers in this channel?
Jan 15 05:33:17 <squ> I doubt this
Jan 15 06:25:06 <Ark42> Why is it that when I make an AlertDialog with a view that contains two EditTexts (user/pass) the soft keyboard doesn't appear, even though the focus is in the first edit?
Jan 15 06:27:35 <ali__> I've got a checkbox in my listview even though I set the focussable property to false it  still steals the touch so I cant detect long press. Any ideas?
Jan 15 06:35:26 <StingRay_> touchinfocusmode
Jan 15 06:36:20 <StingRay_> or focusinthouch mode rather
Jan 15 06:36:34 <StingRay_> clickable and longclickable ?
Jan 15 06:43:45 <ali__> JakeWharton: There?
Jan 15 06:43:53 <JakeWharton> eh
Jan 15 06:43:56 <JakeWharton> not for long
Jan 15 06:44:48 <ali__> JakeWharton: keep getting this error java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException if I use android:minHeight="?attr/listPreferredItemHeightSmall" of my text view on API level 10
Jan 15 06:44:53 <ali__> any ideas?
Jan 15 06:45:19 <JakeWharton> that attribute was added in API 11
Jan 15 06:45:40 <JakeWharton> also you need to do ?android:attr/listPreferredItemHeightSmall
Jan 15 06:46:26 <ali__> JakeWharton: should I have separate layout or move it in a theme?
Jan 15 06:46:42 <JakeWharton> er, for what?
Jan 15 06:47:25 <ali__> for say API level 10 should I have a separate layout that does not have this attribute?
Jan 15 06:53:27 <balls2thewall> is there any common cause why a LocationListener wouldnt get called?
Jan 15 06:53:36 <balls2thewall> by common cause i mean a common mistake people make
Jan 15 06:56:28 <superfluous> can anyone explain to me why android is better than ios? in development terms? I'm coming from an iOS background doing android things now, and to be honest, I just don't see the appeal
Jan 15 06:57:17 <balls2thewall> its cheap, thats about it (dissatisfied)
Jan 15 06:59:27 <superfluous> whats your dissatisfaction about? I think I have just come to dislike java... or perhaps the android framework. I'm not sure, but its not fun
Jan 15 06:59:53 <g00s> superfluous: its not a simple question; anyhow i think its good to know a few platforms and choose the one that best fits your project
Jan 15 07:00:50 <g00s> each platform has their pros and cons, and these factors are even changing
Jan 15 07:01:42 <p_l> balls2thewall: integration between applications, extensibility, a bit more freedom in terms of what you can do
Jan 15 07:01:55 <JakeWharton> ali__: no I would just hard code it to 48dp or make your own <dimen> for it
Jan 15 07:02:25 <balls2thewall> the most irritating thing is lack of standards. i cant count the complaints i get for some sort of model that doesnt support a certain feature or just handles it uniquely
Jan 15 07:03:35 <p_l> balls2thewall: welcome in real world, outside of playpen
Jan 15 07:03:47 <superfluous> I think its a good idea to use whichever platform works best. And I know that there's some more freedom to it. But I can't enjoy myself developing for android.
Jan 15 07:03:58 <superfluous> not yet at least...?
Jan 15 07:04:06 <balls2thewall> welcome to poor design choices you mean
Jan 15 07:04:23 <p_l> balls2thewall: no, the "lack of standards" happens anytime you don't do complete control
Jan 15 07:04:33 <p_l> and allow extensibility
Jan 15 07:04:43 <balls2thewall> what?
Jan 15 07:05:02 <superfluous> I'm pretty sure the rails community has standards, and that's pretty open, from what I know about it
Jan 15 07:05:57 <g00s> superfluous: problem is, there are a large number of players in the 'virtuous cycle' for a mobile device
Jan 15 07:06:18 <g00s> and these players have differing goals
Jan 15 07:07:09 <g00s> in the apple ecosystem, they are the OS developer and hardware developer; so 2 less parties in that cycle
Jan 15 07:07:26 <g00s> which makes things a bit simpler for them
Jan 15 07:07:58 <p_l> superfluous: Rails community is... a clusterfuck is a nice word. They got better, but I think it still defaults to selling snake oil to unknowing devs (Active Record)
Jan 15 07:08:20 <p_l> also, it's just a library, not an OS
Jan 15 07:08:32 <p_l> and in actual use, you can control the whole deployment
Jan 15 07:09:47 <balls2thewall> the last issue i had was with the camera intent on a galaxy note if im not mistaken. thats what i mean by  lack of standards. the same code giving different results for different models.
Jan 15 07:11:05 <g00s> yes, that is a problematic area with android; like i said, its good to know the pros and cons of each platform and choose one that best fits your project
Jan 15 07:13:57 <StingRay_> is there a way to simulate the situation where my activity destroyed and re-enabled ?
Jan 15 07:14:13 <g00s> in the emu there is something in the dev tools
Jan 15 07:14:33 <StingRay_> not on a device though ? gnex ?
Jan 15 07:15:03 <g00s> i dont have that phone
Jan 15 07:15:21 <g00s> on my droid-1, i would press the home button and start up the browser :D
Jan 15 07:15:29 <kevinb> System Settings > Developer Options > Don't Keep Activities
Jan 15 07:15:30 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 07:15:49 <StingRay_> kevinb ah yeah, cool will try thanks
Jan 15 07:16:09 <kevinb> also generally just rotating the device will cause a destroy/create (unless you're handling that another way)
Jan 15 07:16:52 <g00s> i wonder what version of android that was added
Jan 15 07:17:01 <kevinb> i think 4.0
Jan 15 07:17:53 <kevinb> "power" users sometimes like to enable it to keep more free memory and then complain about apps being slow
Jan 15 07:18:06 <g00s> heh
Jan 15 07:19:15 <StingRay_> config change doesn't blank all my class vars, but something like the being in the bg for a while while android uses lots of mem does
Jan 15 07:19:18 <StingRay_> is that right ?
Jan 15 07:19:23 <StingRay_> or does that sound right ?
Jan 15 07:20:08 <StingRay_> oddly though, the fragment that I'm playing with doesnt get it's onDestroy called when this happens
Jan 15 07:21:26 <StingRay_> oh a spars array is not bundle-able ?
Jan 15 07:21:36 <StingRay_> spare*
Jan 15 07:21:41 <StingRay_> oh god i cant type
Jan 15 07:21:48 <StingRay_> sparse*
Jan 15 07:22:02 <kevinb> onDestroy isn't guaranteed to be called. it is possible for your process to be killed as a whole (and restarted later) which is different from the Don't keep activities setting or rotating the device
Jan 15 07:22:35 <StingRay_> ah, major flaw in my understanding corrected
Jan 15 07:22:54 <kevinb> it takes some getting used to
Jan 15 07:22:55 <StingRay_> so something like onSaveInst* or onPause will "always" be called
Jan 15 07:23:03 <StingRay_> ?
Jan 15 07:24:53 <kevinb> there is a diagram and a table about killable or not here: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html
Jan 15 07:55:56 <superfluous> I'm trying to grab information to figure out if the user is scrolling up or down
Jan 15 07:56:31 <superfluous> OnGestureListener's onScroll or onTouchEvent seems to work OK when it begins, but how do I continue listening while the user is dragging?
Jan 15 08:14:13 <pierpark> Can anyone explain this? I'm not understanding what's happening here: label2640: int j = 0;
Jan 15 08:15:04 <Zharf> what's there to understand?
Jan 15 08:15:04 <pierpark> And FYI, there's an error with that, but I saw the code somewhere earlier and so I'm trying to figure out why there is an error.
Jan 15 08:15:22 <Zharf> what's the error
Jan 15 08:15:32 <pierpark> Well, I don't understand what is taking place. Especially regarding the colon on label2640
Jan 15 08:15:49 <Zharf> it's a label
Jan 15 08:15:52 <pierpark> I get that j is an integer set to 0, but what is the label: <-- part
Jan 15 08:16:28 <pierpark> Okay. What is a label? I'm not following. We talking about... TextView, Label, etc, kind of label?
Jan 15 08:17:11 <Zharf> it's a marker in the code really, I don't know of many uses for it in java
Jan 15 08:17:29 <pierpark> ok thanks
Jan 15 08:17:51 <Zharf> http://stackoverflow.com/a/2545160/857853
Jan 15 08:19:08 <Zharf> http://stackoverflow.com/a/130390/857853
Jan 15 08:19:09 <Zharf> etc
Jan 15 08:19:12 <pierpark> ha! It's a goto? I haven't even thought of those since Basic.
Jan 15 08:19:17 <pierpark> Thanks I appreciate it!
Jan 15 08:20:11 <Zharf> it's not exactly goto but yes, it's used for goto in other languages
Jan 15 08:20:15 <Zharf> java doens't have a goto
Jan 15 08:20:40 <pierpark> Ok
Jan 15 08:22:11 <Zharf> you can only use labels with break and continue in java
Jan 15 08:24:52 <pierpark> Ok
Jan 15 08:30:12 <superfluous> wtf this pull to refresh thing is screwing up all my touch events grrr
Jan 15 08:42:04 <Ge0rG> what is the minimum changes needed to publish an app with a different package name?
Jan 15 08:49:22 <pierpark> Ge0rG: Minimum = refactoring.
Jan 15 08:50:07 <Ge0rG> refactoring is a placeholder name. is it possible to get away with just changing androidmanifest.xml or do I need to change the package name in all sources as well?
Jan 15 08:50:09 <pierpark> Ge0rG: After that, Google has a "dont post repetitive content" policy. So if you just simply make duplicates, it's a violation. But if you had... an app that contained shit about birds, and then took the exact same app and changed it to "dogs", then you're good.
Jan 15 08:50:50 <pierpark> Ge0rG: The package name must be changed, so that details?id=<package_name> in the URL isn't a dupe.
Jan 15 08:50:56 <pierpark> As far as I know.
Jan 15 08:51:19 <pierpark> And if you just change the "com.packagename.yoda" in AndroidManifest.xml, you're app won't work.
Jan 15 08:52:14 <Ge0rG> pierpark: I'm not about posting it to google play, but to let a user install the app twice.
Jan 15 08:52:27 <Ge0rG> pierpark: thats why I'm asking _what_ I need to change.
Jan 15 08:52:37 <pierpark> Oh.
Jan 15 08:52:46 <pierpark> Okay, then you need to change the package name in:
Jan 15 08:53:19 <pierpark> AndroidManifest.xml, and each of your class files, AND any XML files that use your package name.
Jan 15 08:53:32 <pierpark> So anywhere that you currently have com.yourpackage.name, you will need to change it to a new one.
Jan 15 08:53:45 <pierpark> Otherwise, the device will see it as the same app.
Jan 15 08:54:15 <pierpark> Are you using Eclipse?
Jan 15 08:54:29 <pierpark> What I do:
Jan 15 08:54:46 <pierpark> I go to my "src" folder, and expand it.. Then I right click on my package name, and go to Refactor->Rename.
Jan 15 08:55:08 <g00s> are you refactoring the manifest package or the source package ?
Jan 15 08:55:10 <pierpark> I update references from there (which changes it in your class files, and manifest)
Jan 15 08:55:31 <pierpark> g00s: whats the difference?
Jan 15 08:56:03 <g00s> your app can have a package "pierpark.foo" while the source is in "blah.bar"
Jan 15 08:56:14 <g00s> usually they are the same, but they don't have to be
Jan 15 08:56:24 <pierpark> Ah. That's interesting. Thanks for the info.
Jan 15 08:56:36 <g00s> the market only looks at the package declared in the manifest
Jan 15 08:56:40 <Ge0rG> g00s: what do I need to make it work, besides of adding full name references to AndroidManifest.xml?
Jan 15 08:57:20 <g00s> sorry Ge0rG my scrollback doesn't go far enough to see what you last posted :(
Jan 15 08:57:43 <pierpark> Sorry, that's my fault for flooding. He asked what the minimum was to:  what is the minimum changes needed to publish an app with a different package name?
Jan 15 08:57:43 <g00s> but anyhow, you can use eclipse to refactor either
Jan 15 08:57:46 <g00s> HOWEVER
Jan 15 08:58:07 <g00s> refactoring the apps package via the ADT has seriously fucked up the files in my past
Jan 15 08:58:11 <Ge0rG> g00s: "<Ge0rG> what is the minimum changes needed to publish an app with a different package name?" with s/publish/install/
Jan 15 08:58:21 <g00s> i mean, malformed the xml so that it wasn't even xml any more, etc
Jan 15 08:58:22 <superfluous> anybody use the HandMark Android-PullToRefresh thing?
Jan 15 08:58:23 <pierpark> And then he said: I'm not about posting it to google play, but to let a user install the app twice.
Jan 15 08:58:28 <superfluous> I'm having some troubles
Jan 15 08:58:48 <g00s> Ge0rG: ah, i'm not sure :|
Jan 15 08:59:24 <g00s> Ge0rG: whenever i see your nick, i think of George of the Jungle :D
Jan 15 08:59:54 <g00s> :)
Jan 15 09:00:13 <Ge0rG> g00s: then I can be happy you don't know my full name :P
Jan 15 09:00:21 <g00s> haha
Jan 15 09:00:47 <pierpark> g00s: Yeah, that has happened.... it's an acquired skill to get Eclipse to refactor/rename properly. I will go to my SRC folder, then find my com.package.name, right-click and then refactor->rename... but after that crap, I always do a CTRL+H, and search every file for my old package name..if any, I'll globally replace that exact finding, keeping in mind that the full string must match.
Jan 15 09:00:47 <pierpark> So, com.package.name does NOT find: com.package.name$myView if in an XML file. It's a tricky nightmare sometimes.
Jan 15 09:00:49 <pierpark> lmao.
Jan 15 09:01:01 <pierpark> Watch out for that tree? ha ha
Jan 15 09:01:29 <superfluous> I've got a ViewGroup that takes care of some things. In particular, its onInterceptTouchEvent gets called a lot. I think it might be because of that, but I cannot get touch events from other places (the parent view, I believe)
Jan 15 09:01:39 <pierpark> superfluous: no idea
Jan 15 09:01:55 <superfluous> noooooo :'(
Jan 15 09:02:53 <pierpark> all that touch crap.... just makes me think of a Madonna song. I think? Maybe not?
Jan 15 09:02:55 <pierpark> Okay.. umm...
Jan 15 09:03:00 <pierpark> Tell me what a ViewGroup does.
Jan 15 09:03:57 <pierpark> If its anything like.... the problem with setting touch listeners for custom ListViews, then it's because of the Clickable==true ... so when turning that off, it allows the other view to get the focus, or whatever.
Jan 15 09:07:34 <superfluous> A ViewGroup is like a layout that has children views
Jan 15 09:07:59 <superfluous> if you intercept the motion events, then it wont get delivered to the children...which i guess is good, except that now I want to intercept them from somewhere else
Jan 15 09:08:03 <superfluous> or at least know about them
Jan 15 09:08:24 <pierpark> Hmm..
Jan 15 09:08:28 <pierpark> Hold on.
Jan 15 09:08:50 <pierpark> I went through a similar nightmare recently.. let me see if there is any way to make sense of it.
Jan 15 09:10:12 <pierpark> When you launch your activity, is it setting the view as another .java file?
Jan 15 09:10:35 <pierpark> meaning, you've got a java file running, where sometimes you'd be saying: setContentView(mylayout.xml)
Jan 15 09:11:15 <pierpark> oops
Jan 15 09:11:16 <pierpark> I mean..
Jan 15 09:11:36 <pierpark> Inside your onCreate where you set your view... are you adding a view?
Jan 15 09:11:45 <pierpark> like so: 		this.m_hMainView = ((ColorLearnView) localObject3);
Jan 15 09:11:45 <pierpark> 		((RelativeLayout) localObject2).addView(this.m_hMainView);
Jan 15 09:11:59 <superfluous> probably
Jan 15 09:13:22 <pierpark> Okay.. well if you're adding a view (which is what you end up seeing on screen)....
Jan 15 09:13:31 <ddreamer0> SimonVT hi are you around ?
Jan 15 09:13:43 <pierpark> you need to listen for touch from your first called java file... not the java that is the added view.
Jan 15 09:13:46 <pierpark> I think.
Jan 15 09:14:09 <pierpark> Because your typical onClickListener stuff goes a little bonky when listening through nested views.
Jan 15 09:14:19 <pierpark> I guess I'm not helping. Sorry.
Jan 15 09:14:37 <superfluous> Well...yeah
Jan 15 09:15:20 <superfluous> This whole java, android, conflabnated, code just doesnt seem to make logical sense to me
Jan 15 09:32:46 <pragma-> probably because you're using confabulated words
Jan 15 09:33:12 <pragma-> confabulated means "Fabricate imaginary experiences as compensation for loss of memory"
Jan 15 09:33:38 <pragma-> and your comma placement is wrong
Jan 15 09:33:53 <pragma-> yes, you're a very confused puppy.
Jan 15 09:35:29 <lamanche_> hey guys, I inherited a project from another programmer and I observe in logs that GC kicks in ~20 times in a row, each time collection ~ 300-1000 objects on a span of 1 minute
Jan 15 09:35:33 <lamanche_> how  bad is it?
Jan 15 09:35:45 <\0x90\> have a listview that returns data to activity that started it. its multiple choice listview. now i want on listview item click to open a dialog where you can input something. however, both data from dialog and listview ultimately (click back button on phone until it reaches activity1) data from listview AND this new dialog needs to be returned to activity1. it's a configuration activity. is this good way to do this or is it better
Jan 15 09:35:47 <\0x90\>  to launch new activity on listview item click ?
Jan 15 09:36:46 <pragma-> lamanche_: could probably be better
Jan 15 09:40:06 <lamanche_> pragma- , I thought that GC should kick in only one time, so at least 2 times in a row is a problem, isn't it?
Jan 15 09:43:48 <Parhs> oh shit
Jan 15 09:43:54 <Parhs> android sucked again
Jan 15 09:51:51 <digitalfallacy> Can we change orientation of AlertDialog independent of Activity orientation ?
Jan 15 09:51:51 <superfluous> yeah the stupid view that has the onIntercept will always get the views, even if I set gesture recognizers and whatever on parent views and stuff
Jan 15 09:51:55 <superfluous> i dont know android
Jan 15 09:54:13 <p_l> ... whoever was selling maven to me should rot :/
Jan 15 09:56:32 <digitalfallacy> i have a dialog whose code is inside an actitity and i want that my dialog to take the orientation of the device and activity to remain portrait
Jan 15 09:57:13 <g00s> p_l: heh, fucking maven
Jan 15 09:57:20 <g00s> are you a maven plugin writer yet XD
Jan 15 09:57:29 <p_l> g00s: no
Jan 15 09:57:46 <g00s> as soon as you have to do something outside the box; its time to start writing plugins
Jan 15 09:57:58 <p_l> but getting it to understand "make me *one* jar with all deps *and* test code from src/test" is *HARD*
Jan 15 09:58:15 <g00s> hm; that should be easy
Jan 15 09:58:22 <g00s> i havent used it in a while though
Jan 15 09:58:38 <g00s> my android app doest get big enough to warrant that stuff
Jan 15 09:58:42 <deebo> thats quite easy
Jan 15 09:58:56 <deebo> in the grand scheme of maven atleast :)
Jan 15 09:59:12 <p_l> deebo: then FFS write it down on the internet as something other than a dump of XML attributes allowed in a plugin
Jan 15 09:59:27 <deebo> try the shade plugin
Jan 15 09:59:46 <deebo> packaging plugin can also be configured that way i think
Jan 15 09:59:58 <p_l> the goal is to pack everything into one jar I can ship to a target machine and have it run the test suite from it
Jan 15 10:00:12 <deebo> yeah, the mentioned plugins can do that
Jan 15 10:00:47 <deebo> you can tell the packaging plugin to unzip and include dependencies in the result jar
Jan 15 10:01:02 <p_l> getting all deps into one jar was easy
Jan 15 10:01:18 <p_l> making it compile and include stuff from src/test... >_>
Jan 15 10:01:38 <deebo> you have to include the test scope as a dependency
Jan 15 10:01:54 <deebo> and build a test scope version of the dependency
Jan 15 10:01:55 <p_l> deebo: which lead to project not compiling :D
Jan 15 10:02:24 <deebo> some have a separate -tests maven module that tests everything
Jan 15 10:02:33 <deebo> makes it a bit easier if you have many modules
Jan 15 10:02:35 <p_l> I have one module
Jan 15 10:02:43 <p_l> it's not supposed to grow beyond that
Jan 15 10:03:15 <p_l> I'm tempted to hit all that "test" support out, and put a small custom runner that would run from CLI
Jan 15 10:04:30 <DOSP> Hey guys, can you parse the JSON data drom php and databases IF host have disabled the external mysql access?
Jan 15 10:06:23 <monsti> DOSP: well that's one step before JSON
Jan 15 10:06:33 <monsti> DOSP: investigate the HTTP response code
Jan 15 10:06:50 <monsti> a php error might give you a 500 or a 505
Jan 15 10:09:52 <k0nichiwa> is there a way to restart logcat if it stops going in eclipse ?
Jan 15 10:09:59 <k0nichiwa> or do i have to quite eclipse and restart
Jan 15 10:12:53 <superfluous> :/ I really can't figure this out
Jan 15 10:12:56 <superfluous> I feel really stupid
Jan 15 10:13:48 <DOSP> okay, but i must now if is it possible to connect there ? if is disabled external use of mysql ?
Jan 15 10:14:13 <p_l> DOSP: since you talk with the PHP site, not database directly, it only matters if the PHP site can access mysql
Jan 15 10:14:25 <p_l> (n.b. you sure picked a braindamaged stack)
Jan 15 10:14:38 <DOSP> uhmmm okay:) thank you guys
Jan 15 10:14:44 <g00s> not sure what is worse, php or mysql
Jan 15 10:14:53 <monsti> well you can still wirte some php function
Jan 15 10:14:55 <k0nichiwa> superfluous http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=12976
Jan 15 10:14:55 <p_l> g00s: it's simple - those two together
Jan 15 10:15:06 <k0nichiwa> i think that has a link to a blog post that does drag and pinch
Jan 15 10:15:15 <monsti> connect_to_mysql_and_exit_with_500_if_it_s_not_working();
Jan 15 10:15:51 <monsti> but that's beyond any android dev discussion, of course
Jan 15 10:16:07 <superfluous> k0nichiwa: unfortunately, it seems unrelated
Jan 15 10:16:21 <k0nichiwa> d00d
Jan 15 10:16:28 <k0nichiwa> it does a total example of handling drag and pinch
Jan 15 10:16:43 <k0nichiwa> i told you it has  LINK to a blog post
Jan 15 10:16:46 <k0nichiwa> link at the top
Jan 15 10:17:03 <superfluous> I've read it
Jan 15 10:17:11 <k0nichiwa> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/making-sense-of-multitouch.html
Jan 15 10:17:16 <superfluous> I've read that
Jan 15 10:17:37 <superfluous> it doesnt really address my issue
Jan 15 10:21:26 <DOSP> and yea guys, sorry iam asking for php or mysql questin in android dev just needed to know about parsing e.t.c. okej then :) thanks a lot
Jan 15 10:28:14 <g00s> interesting that CES 2012 was all about android; CES 2013 didn't seem like that at all
Jan 15 10:28:42 <Parhs> does anyone knows
Jan 15 10:28:43 <g00s> everybody was showing their windows 8 stuff; but I think MS is going to screw all those oems
Jan 15 10:28:53 <Parhs> how onCreate()
Jan 15 10:29:13 <Parhs> i mean after on Create is called   listview choices are preserved:S?
Jan 15 10:29:15 <monsti> g00s: i think we will see a windows 9 in 12-18 month
Jan 15 10:29:36 <g00s> google will have nexus; ms will have surface; and apple. and then there will be oems fighting for scraps
Jan 15 10:29:58 <StingRay_> step in ubuntu
Jan 15 10:30:00 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 10:30:05 <StingRay_> so we'll see
Jan 15 10:30:06 <g00s> monsti: could be right; sounded like MS recognized they needed to speed up their cycle
Jan 15 10:30:08 <Leeds> 'windows blue'?
Jan 15 10:30:11 <monsti> ms will have a wish of having a surface ;)
Jan 15 10:30:17 <g00s> StingRay_: Ubuntu FTW !
Jan 15 10:30:43 <g00s> i saw somewhere that a few phones were saying to insert the CD and restart
Jan 15 10:30:46 <StingRay_> Parhs : they are not unless you do it
Jan 15 10:30:59 <monsti> g00s: ms knew that vista was a big mess and they created windows 7 - which is really nice
Jan 15 10:31:02 <Parhs> i dont but they are kept
Jan 15 10:31:13 <Parhs> it is really weird
Jan 15 10:31:39 <pcomputo> how do i differentiate the lockscreen from the home screen? as this code: final ImageView view = mImageView;   view.setImageBitmap(b);          sets the selected gallery image as the lock screen as well as home screen wallpaper.
Jan 15 10:31:44 <Parhs> maybe because it is singleTop ?
Jan 15 10:31:52 <monsti> g00s: what is even worse then win 8 - is the win 2012 server
Jan 15 10:32:17 <monsti> i doubt there will be any need for metro on a touch screen webserver (!?) doh
Jan 15 10:32:25 <g00s> i really like that MS is trying something new though. competition is good
Jan 15 10:32:36 <monsti> what's new?
Jan 15 10:32:41 <p_l> monsti: Vista was 7... rushed
Jan 15 10:32:43 <Parhs> http://pastebin.com/P5x1PTr7  here is the source.Breakpoint at 80 says 0 but after that at 156 breakpoint says the previous
Jan 15 10:32:56 <monsti> single source, multiple architectures ... that's linux ;)
Jan 15 10:32:58 <p_l> g00s: no phone asked for CD - they asked for "OS disc"
Jan 15 10:33:22 <p_l> monsti: I installed 2012 server, and I was *very* positively surprised
Jan 15 10:33:30 <p_l> You don't install the GUI part on servers :)
Jan 15 10:33:33 <g00s> http://winsource.com/2013/01/14/if-your-windows-phone-fails-to-start-just-insert-the-windows-installation-disc-humor/
Jan 15 10:33:40 <p_l> you install it on management machine
Jan 15 10:33:49 <p_l> g00s: and the screen does not say "CD"
Jan 15 10:33:56 <monsti> p_l: yeah the server is really nice - but the touch screen stuff makes no sense at all
Jan 15 10:34:07 <monsti> p_l: also you can't install 2012 from disk :(
Jan 15 10:34:07 <g00s> installation disc to me means CD
Jan 15 10:34:23 <monsti> e.g. when enabling .net 3.5 you have to install stuff from the internet or from your own silver cd
Jan 15 10:34:24 <p_l> monsti: it's just common support in the UI framework
Jan 15 10:34:49 <monsti> imagine in 3-5 years somebody will install server 2012 in a nuclear powerplant
Jan 15 10:34:53 <p_l> Servers run headless in 2012 with database-driven configuration, sort of
Jan 15 10:34:57 <monsti> and needs a usb stick for installing the OS ;)
Jan 15 10:35:21 <p_l> or will simply boot from network... :D
Jan 15 10:35:46 <p_l> (even NT5, and probably earlier, allowed installation from network)
Jan 15 10:36:09 <p_l> monsti: also, I'm not sure if Windows wasn't first with "single source, multiple architectures", at least compared to linux :)
Jan 15 10:36:57 <p_l> (Windows NT, that is)
Jan 15 10:37:17 <monsti> p_l: well yeah but someday a great microsoft brain decided to drop non intel CPUs
Jan 15 10:37:26 <monsti> btw. is there an intanium version?
Jan 15 10:38:50 <p_l> monsti: it wasn't Microsoft that dropped non-intel cpus :)
Jan 15 10:39:15 <monsti> well mips didn't sell that many mips NT servers ;)
Jan 15 10:39:19 <BrixSat> Hello how do i measure signal strength on the current connected wifi ap?
Jan 15 10:39:24 <p_l> and yes, Intel/HP pleaded and pleaded for continued existence of Itanium version, since that's the only one non-x86/amd64 maintained by MS
Jan 15 10:39:46 <timroes> BrixSat: via code?
Jan 15 10:39:56 <BrixSat> timroes:  yes
Jan 15 10:40:01 <p_l> monsti: MIPS, Alpha and PPC versions of NT were afaik made by vendors of machines including those cpus
Jan 15 10:40:08 <timroes> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1206891/android-how-to-monitor-wifi-signal-strength
Jan 15 10:40:18 <monsti> p_l: anyway i hope that i can get rid of 2012 server before it spreads too much
Jan 15 10:40:35 <monsti> p_l: i really hope win9 will be a success - and i don't care about a tablet version ;)
Jan 15 10:40:43 <BrixSat> timroes: do i need broadcast receivers? ain there a another way?
Jan 15 10:40:52 <p_l> yeah, gorill arm effect :D
Jan 15 10:42:10 <timroes>  BrixSat: you can also just get the WifiManager class, and use getScanResults() to get the latest scan results
Jan 15 10:42:11 <timroes> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/wifi/WifiManager.html#getScanResults%28%29
Jan 15 10:42:13 <monsti> p_l: about 4-5 years ago MS pocket PCs were a true success for embedded systems and industrial applications
Jan 15 10:42:27 <monsti> p_l: i have no idea why MS decided to drop that marked
Jan 15 10:42:51 <p_l> monsti: the WinCE package is still available
Jan 15 10:42:53 <monsti> p_l: a windows phone with embedded windows 7 or 8 (successor of CE) is about 800 euros
Jan 15 10:42:59 <timroes> BrixSat: but if you want to initialize a new scan, thats of course asynchronous and you will get notified about the end of the scan
Jan 15 10:43:00 <p_l> what died was the WinMo build
Jan 15 10:43:15 <monsti> p_l: the only difference is it can run unsigned code
Jan 15 10:43:16 <p_l> and Windows Phone 8 is afaik NT
Jan 15 10:43:26 <p_l> not CE
Jan 15 10:43:31 <BrixSat> timroes:  i dont want a new scan i just want to know with how much signal strenght im i connected.
Jan 15 10:44:00 <monsti> p_l: i worked at a company who had a phone software as part of their enterprise solution and we rewrote an android version
Jan 15 10:44:02 <g00s> Windows 9 / Windows Phone 9 will continue along in convergence of apis; i wonder if it will be like Ubuntu Phone
Jan 15 10:44:07 <BrixSat> timroes:  i cannot loose connectivity
Jan 15 10:44:10 <timroes> BrixSat: yeah then just use the above method to get the latest scan results
Jan 15 10:44:21 <BrixSat> ok thks
Jan 15 10:44:36 <g00s> meanwhile, apple still seems to think we need a phone, tablet, and pc
Jan 15 10:44:36 <monsti> p_l: about 3 weeks ago my collegues told me, that ms decided to give them money (!) to create a windows 8 phone version
Jan 15 10:44:55 <p_l> monsti: yes, I agree that killing off WinMo like that was stupid :)
Jan 15 10:45:19 <BrixSat> timroes:  but i would still need a broadcast receiver?
Jan 15 10:45:22 <timroes> BrixSat: don't forget to add the ACCESS_WIFI_STATE permission to your manifest
Jan 15 10:45:26 <timroes> no
Jan 15 10:45:32 <p_l> just like, IMO, the completely bollocked try at "walled garden" in win8 is broken
Jan 15 10:45:35 <monsti> p_l: even on win embedded 8 devices there is a lack of software e.g. device management for enterprices
Jan 15 10:46:26 <g00s> i think MS just had to push whatever out the door now; their window of opportunity was/is closing
Jan 15 10:47:03 <monsti> g00s: tablet customers don't know why they can't install PC software
Jan 15 10:47:19 <g00s> yeah, thats why samsung said they would not do any RT tablets
Jan 15 10:47:47 <monsti> and this is a true software issue
Jan 15 10:47:48 <g00s> i dont think MS should kill RT though; they need to be more independent of Intel
Jan 15 10:47:53 <monsti> the RT hardware is nice
Jan 15 10:48:13 <monsti> i would love to see a android/rt hybrid
Jan 15 10:48:16 <monsti> or a virtual rt
Jan 15 10:48:43 <BrixSat> timroes:  thks
Jan 15 10:49:07 <tneva82> aarrgh. I'm losing my mind with "source not found" crash. I swear I had program working on friday and now it's doing that and even taking backup from friday and thursday still causes crash
Jan 15 10:49:21 <timroes> BrixSat: to find the currently active wifi from the scan results compare the bssid or something against WifiManager.getConnectionInfo()....
Jan 15 10:50:06 <BrixSat> timroes:  yes, the ssid will always be the same no change there but i still would avoid to hardcode the name and use a system return variable
Jan 15 10:50:19 <g00s> now, about gorilla arm. i had a chance to play with a huge wacom tablet. someone i knew was using this with zbrush. i dont see why a huge touch tablet would be any worse
Jan 15 10:50:53 <monsti> g00s: there are 2 things i want in the next 5-10 years
Jan 15 10:50:59 <monsti> 1) a living room tablet table
Jan 15 10:51:14 <tneva82> why can't eclipse even give a hint WHAT source it's missing
Jan 15 10:51:22 <tneva82> file, function, SOMETHING
Jan 15 10:51:22 <monsti> 2) a oled wallpaper with 1.000.000 x 600.00 pixels
Jan 15 10:51:24 <g00s> and there was that really cool demo of the keyboard rising from the touch surface using microfluidics that was interesting too
Jan 15 10:51:36 <monsti> and in 20 years i want a holodeck
Jan 15 10:51:38 <g00s> oled wallpaper :)
Jan 15 10:51:44 <BrixSat> timroes:  why is there a get hiddenssid and a get ssid?
Jan 15 10:51:49 <monsti> g00s: seen the old total recall movie?
Jan 15 10:51:56 <g00s> yeah, the old one
Jan 15 10:52:00 <monsti> arnold had that 20 years ago ;)
Jan 15 10:52:06 <BrixSat> timroes:  shouldnt it return the name of the connected network being it hidden or not?
Jan 15 10:52:26 <timroes> BrixSat: read the docs :)
Jan 15 10:52:34 <timroes> getHiddenSSID():boolean true if this network does not broadcast its SSID, so an  SSID-specific probe request must be used for scans.
Jan 15 10:52:38 <BrixSat> timroes:  yes im there :p sorry
Jan 15 10:53:58 <g00s> here is the microfluidics keyboard http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/tactus-technology-prototype-android-tablet-shows-off-shapeshifti/
Jan 15 10:54:20 <tneva82> i suppose nobody here knows what error the source not found is?
Jan 15 10:54:57 <timroes> BrixSat: I don't know if multiple AP with the same SSID result in one ScanResult in the list, if not, you want to compare the bssid, so you really find the right Access point and not any AP with the same SSID name. But perhaps someone here knowns if there will be one or multiple ScanResults for multiple AP with the same SSID?
Jan 15 10:55:34 <monsti> g00s: i also want a sd-card 2 brain interface
Jan 15 10:55:38 <BrixSat> im comparing the bssid also as 2 wifi networks would avoud in 2 items in the list
Jan 15 10:55:53 <g00s> all i want is my device to have sdcard :|
Jan 15 10:59:00 <tneva82> even backupped apk's started to crash
Jan 15 10:59:04 <tneva82> sheesh
Jan 15 10:59:29 <tneva82> too hard to ask for previously working apk's to still work? Need I reinstall whole phone or what :-<
Jan 15 11:13:46 <k0nichiwa> tneva82, did u unintstall on the device ?
Jan 15 11:13:53 <k0nichiwa> and then reinstall w/eclipse run as ?
Jan 15 11:14:25 <belgianguy> is it safe to upgrade to Juno yet?
Jan 15 11:14:30 <belgianguy> (from Indigo)
Jan 15 11:14:50 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, yes
Jan 15 11:14:50 <superlinux-hp> very safe
Jan 15 11:14:51 <belgianguy> Eclipse can be err... fickle
Jan 15 11:15:03 <superlinux-hp> I use it for myself since it came out
Jan 15 11:15:08 <superlinux-hp> I know
Jan 15 11:15:19 <superlinux-hp> but it's all good in general
Jan 15 11:15:28 <Zharf> can I detect which route android would connect to an address, loopback, wifi, mobile?
Jan 15 11:15:31 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, are you on Linux?
Jan 15 11:15:38 <belgianguy> superlinux-hp: yeah, Ubuntu
Jan 15 11:15:55 <superlinux-hp> Ah! I have debian squeeze.. so it's almost the same
Jan 15 11:16:13 <superlinux-hp> well.. let me tell you what you should do then
Jan 15 11:16:15 <brx_> Anyone know a good project/sample code I can use for capturing video with the camera, I need something robust which will account for both front and rear facing cameras
Jan 15 11:16:48 <superlinux-hp> 1st increase through ulimit the number of opened files opened
Jan 15 11:17:01 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, with me?
Jan 15 11:17:17 <belgianguy> superlinux-hp: I'm listening, never heard of ulimit though
Jan 15 11:17:21 <belgianguy> but I can Google it
Jan 15 11:17:35 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, it's the users limit
Jan 15 11:17:49 <superlinux-hp> if you are root everything is opened
Jan 15 11:18:23 <belgianguy> and what would be a suitable value here?
Jan 15 11:18:44 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, it's also used with web proxy server caching when you have tooooo much a number of users
Jan 15 11:20:38 <superlinux-hp> 2nd, make a habit not to drag the  android elements in the graphical layout editor. it will make your Xorg restart suddenly.. I suffer from this.. otherwise it's all good
Jan 15 11:20:54 <belgianguy> superlinux-hp: yeah, I usually do the pure XML, anyway :)
Jan 15 11:21:12 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, I am too on XML sometimes
Jan 15 11:22:16 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, regarding the value just give it in bytes as much as you feel it's enough
Jan 15 11:24:19 <superlinux-hp> brb
Jan 15 11:26:02 <drastico> hi all
Jan 15 11:26:32 <drastico> i've a problem with my app. I suppose there's multiple instance of the same app running in background
Jan 15 11:26:51 <drastico> there's a way to check it in the "onResume" function
Jan 15 11:28:10 <drastico> is there a way to check it?
Jan 15 11:28:42 <HDroid> There can only be one instance of a single app.
Jan 15 11:37:40 <superlinux-hp> belgianguy, I am back
Jan 15 11:37:46 <drastico> HDroid: my app cache 10 locations then upload them on a website. Each upload send me a confirmation email, and right now i'm receiving multiple mail for the same upload
Jan 15 11:37:56 <superlinux-hp> anything else that you want?
Jan 15 11:38:37 <drastico> when i , running my app, press home button, then relaunch the app again from the app list, it shoud bring the app to the front right?
Jan 15 11:38:55 <HDroid> drastico: normally, yes.
Jan 15 11:39:23 <drastico> ok
Jan 15 11:39:24 <drastico> ty
Jan 15 11:39:27 <HDroid> drastico: there are many reasons why a piece of code gets run more than once, but it can't be because the app is running more than once.
Jan 15 11:39:54 <HDroid> drastico: if the processing has to be done in the background, a service might make sense, decoupled from any activities.
Jan 15 11:39:56 <drastico> i'm debugging right now, and this is the last change :D
Jan 15 11:40:18 <drastico> i'ts a location listener
Jan 15 11:41:25 <HDroid> Locations do update, possibly it does an upload on every location update.
Jan 15 11:42:48 <drastico> nope, i'm checking the number of locatioUpdate
Jan 15 11:44:00 <aton`> hi
Jan 15 11:45:38 <aton`> i am trying to make an app that shows a main screen and from there its possible to enter different preference screens. can i do this within one activity?
Jan 15 11:46:32 <aton`> and how? using different layouts? viewgroups?
Jan 15 11:46:44 <brx_> aton TabActivity myb? or ViewPager+separate Fragments for each 'screen'
Jan 15 11:47:37 <aton`> no fragments in android 2.x
Jan 15 11:47:54 <aton`> i will try tabactivity
Jan 15 11:47:57 <aton`> thanks
Jan 15 11:48:15 <brx_> good stuff
Jan 15 11:48:44 <aton`> each tab having its own layout i guess?
Jan 15 11:48:46 <brx_> btw you can use the compatibility/support libs in order to get fragments on <3.0
Jan 15 11:48:50 <brx_> yes
Jan 15 11:49:20 <aton`> ah no problem, my phone uses 2.x, i code 2.x until i buy a new phone :)
Jan 15 11:49:35 <aton`> just trying to get into android a bit, nothing too serious
Jan 15 11:56:43 <fdvalencia85> hi can some give some tips in implementing some kind of widget for interacting with my volume rendering application?
Jan 15 12:01:01 <brx_> fdvalencia85, http://www.helloandroid.com/tutorials/days-xmas-widget-tutorial
Jan 15 12:01:26 <brx_> i used that to help me dev my first homescreen widget
Jan 15 12:05:33 <Gaz`> if im to write a BB10 app, can I basically write that in Android? or is there another suggested way, anyone any ideas?
Jan 15 12:07:19 <fdvalencia85> brx_ thanks for the reply, but maybe I used incorrect terminology "widget", what I whant to do is create some kind of gui to interact with the glsurfaceview
Jan 15 12:07:40 <fdvalencia85> *want
Jan 15 12:08:02 <timroes> Gaz`: as I understand, BB10 can run android apps repackaged with its java runtime. But ofc that are two complelty different platforms, and (as long as BB is a serious platform, never used it) apps coming from another platform will not fit the styleguides on BB very well
Jan 15 12:08:33 <timroes> so its like porting a iOS app to android 1:1, meaning android users will pretty much downvote your app for being ugly (on android)
Jan 15 12:08:39 <brx_> sry I cant help you, I havnt worked with glsurfaceview
Jan 15 12:10:33 <fdvalencia85> ok, thank you anyway :D
Jan 15 12:12:18 <fdvalencia85> this is image is more or less what I want to implement http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/81977.jpg
Jan 15 12:24:07 <balls2thewall> would anyone happen to have any idea how are side panels implemented? think facebook and to some extent google play with its tiny category list that takes up only part of the screen
Jan 15 12:24:26 <MrMaffen> ball2thewall: i was just about to ask exactly the same question :D
Jan 15 12:25:07 <MrMaffen> i'm thinking about using a viewpager and setting a offset or something. so that only part of the new page inside the viewpager will be slided in
Jan 15 12:25:33 <balls2thewall> id like to avoid offsets and little fidgety things like that :/ if possible
Jan 15 12:25:59 <MrMaffen> balls2thewall: would you know how to do it ?
Jan 15 12:26:11 <MrMaffen> i mean how set such an offset inside a viewpager
Jan 15 12:26:15 <MrMaffen> to*
Jan 15 12:26:27 <balls2thewall> i was trying to implement this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8657894/android-facebook-style-slide/8673805#8673805 but it didnt work :/
Jan 15 12:26:29 <mikedg> theres a library called sliding menu
Jan 15 12:26:36 <balls2thewall> and not exactly what i want
Jan 15 12:26:36 <mikedg> look into how that's implemented
Jan 15 12:26:45 <mikedg> it's a great implementation of what you want an open source
Jan 15 12:26:58 <mikedg> even if you don't use that library it's a better explanation of how, than someone can give on IRC
Jan 15 12:27:43 <MrMaffen> mikedg: sounds awesome. thanks for the hint
Jan 15 12:28:15 <mikedg> no problem
Jan 15 12:28:25 <MrMaffen> but in addition: does anybody know to set an offset in a viewpager? i want to partially slide the next page in.
Jan 15 12:28:29 <MrMaffen> how*
Jan 15 12:29:32 <mikedg> MrMaffen: I'm not sure that's possible without modifying the viewpager source itself
Jan 15 12:34:54 <MrMaffen> mikedg: if i knew how i could approach this problem (even if i have to modify the source itself) that would really help me
Jan 15 12:35:15 <mikedg> let me take a look through the code and see what I can gather quickly
Jan 15 12:37:26 <MrMaffen> mikedg: awesome thank you
Jan 15 12:37:59 <mikedg> cant guarantee anything cause I need to get to work but ill try
Jan 15 12:42:31 <fdvalencia85> hi is there someone that can help me or give me some tips in implementing the GUI for a OpenGL application? im implementing a volume rendering application for android, the rendering part I have already implemented it, now I need to implement de GUI to change some properties of the volume
Jan 15 12:42:53 <gmagno> hi
Jan 15 12:42:55 <fdvalencia85> the GUI could be something similar to this http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/81977.jpg
Jan 15 12:43:20 <gmag> how can I write a ByteBuffer to a binary file?
Jan 15 12:46:18 <fdvalencia85> gmag http://www.java2s.com/Code/Java/File-Input-Output/WritewithByteBuffer.htm
Jan 15 12:48:09 <mikedg> MrMaffen: sorry, I couldn't find something immediately and need to start working
Jan 15 12:48:28 <mikedg> I apologize, but I think if you ask in a few years, someone will likely be here with better off the cuff knowlege about the ViewPager internals
Jan 15 12:48:32 <MrMaffen> mikedg: ok. thanks for trying man! really appreciate it
Jan 15 12:48:33 <gmag> fdvalencia85, cheers
Jan 15 12:48:42 <mikedg> hours not years :)
Jan 15 12:48:45 <MrMaffen> :D
Jan 15 12:48:55 <MrMaffen> yea i'll dot that. bye
Jan 15 12:49:00 <MrMaffen> do*
Jan 15 12:49:01 <mikedg> that's not a good start to the day for me
Jan 15 12:49:09 <mikedg> guess it's time for some caffeine
Jan 15 12:49:34 <MrMaffen> mikedg: just my method of dealing with a stressful morning :D
Jan 15 12:57:03 <StingRay_> what does  E/JavaBinder(32519): !!! FAILED BINDER TRANSACTION !!!
Jan 15 12:57:47 <StingRay_> s/o seems to point to image bitmaps
Jan 15 12:58:12 <StingRay_> but I sample view size and bitmapOptions to only load very small required versions
Jan 15 12:58:15 <StingRay_> hmmm
Jan 15 12:59:30 <StingRay_> seems to have no adverse affect in my app
Jan 15 13:03:11 <monsti> MrMaffen: java coding vs. morning sex?
Jan 15 13:03:21 <monsti> well it's your choice xDDDD
Jan 15 13:03:52 <MrMaffen> monsti: why not both? :D i guess that's the main reason why i bought my tf700 xD
Jan 15 13:04:03 <mikedg> morning coding and java sex please
Jan 15 13:04:36 <mikedg> anyone want to give me feedback on the theme I'm using for my upcoming blog?
Jan 15 13:04:54 <ahhughes> how can I persist a Location to a sqlite db table?
Jan 15 13:04:55 <MrMaffen> mikedg: sure
Jan 15 13:05:14 <mikedg> blog.mikedg.com, the content is currently just placeholder
Jan 15 13:05:30 <mikedg> well 2 of the articles are actually going to turn into real articles, but they are a mess at the moment
Jan 15 13:06:48 <monsti> ahhughes: with insert and select statements
Jan 15 13:07:18 <StingRay_> mikedg your wanting comments on the style ?
Jan 15 13:07:21 <ahhughes> monsti, is there a database type for a Location or do I need to set x,y as float columns?
Jan 15 13:07:24 <mikedg> yeah, the theme
Jan 15 13:07:45 <monsti> ahhughes: for reference check the android sample "Wiktionary"
Jan 15 13:07:47 <mikedg> i bought a subscription to elegantthemes.com, if you really want to waste time, you could go through their 80 themes and give me an opinion :)
Jan 15 13:07:53 <MrMaffen> mikedg: i like the overall style. but i've seen some writing mistakes on your "about me" page. dunno if you're aware of that
Jan 15 13:07:55 <StingRay_> there are a few things that I would consider inconsistent and not complementary
Jan 15 13:08:24 <MrMaffen> mikedg: also i would change the text color of the side menu items. the grey is hardly readable on the yellowish background
Jan 15 13:08:25 <monsti> ahhughes: i think there is also an example for gps data
Jan 15 13:08:59 <monsti> ahhughes: well i would use floats if this is enough
Jan 15 13:09:05 <StingRay_> the post items/containers are a missmatch with both clean precise feel and that papery worn feel
Jan 15 13:09:08 <MrMaffen> mikedg: "I’m Mike DiGiovanni, sometimes called mikedg, a mobile developer day, and mobile developer by night." "by" is missing here before "day"
Jan 15 13:09:10 <StingRay_> should be one or the other
Jan 15 13:09:18 <monsti> if you need additional gps data - you have to use more tables
Jan 15 13:09:39 <mikedg> and this is why I never kept a blog before :) I suck at writing and proof reading
Jan 15 13:09:55 <MrMaffen> mikedg: also i think "blackerry" isn't right :D
Jan 15 13:10:11 <monsti> mikedg: why write facebook posts? "i sit at mcdonalds and drink a coffe"
Jan 15 13:10:13 <ahhughes> thanks monsti :)
Jan 15 13:10:25 <MrMaffen> mikedg: "guide" instead of "guie"
Jan 15 13:10:31 <mikedg> and guie is misspelled, I should probably do my editing in Word or somethign with spellcheck
Jan 15 13:11:32 <mikedg> StingRay_: good point about that, do you have a visual design background?
Jan 15 13:11:36 <MrMaffen> mikedg: but i really would darken the textColor or brighten the background
Jan 15 13:12:36 <mikedg> thanks for the feedback guys, I'm gonna turn on the under construction page again
Jan 15 13:18:05 <StingRay_> mikedg i'm a 16+ year professional games/film vfx artist/td
Jan 15 13:18:22 <mikedg> impressive
Jan 15 13:18:30 <StingRay_> not a designer really, but I'm ok a saying something dont look right and why
Jan 15 13:18:31 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:18:44 <StingRay_> done it enough with console game ui's
Jan 15 13:18:47 <mikedg> i'm just looking for people to start populating #android-design
Jan 15 13:18:56 <mikedg> i guess IRC is more of a developer thing than designer
Jan 15 13:19:46 <StingRay_> not really there used to be masses of 3d graphics art related channels
Jan 15 13:19:47 <p_l> mikedg: there seems to be a lot of "straightlaced" (suits) designers, as well as a lot of hipsters posing as designers. Filter them out, you might find people who would give IRC a whirl :D
Jan 15 13:19:50 <StingRay_> way back when
Jan 15 13:20:10 <p_l> StingRay_: I guess the heavy CS connection helped there
Jan 15 13:20:31 <p_l> (also, demoscene used to be a big source of people going into 3D)
Jan 15 13:20:32 <mikedg> yeah, 3d graphics seems different to me
Jan 15 13:20:45 <StingRay_> dead now on irc
Jan 15 13:20:50 <StingRay_> 3d stuff
Jan 15 13:21:04 <mikedg> yeah, i remember when i pirated 3dsmax and hung out in 3d irc channels
Jan 15 13:21:08 <StingRay_> tis all this google groups google  +   fb groups all that crap
Jan 15 13:21:09 <mikedg> they were quite popular
Jan 15 13:21:33 <StingRay_> <--- authorised autodesk instructor so cant condone 3d warez
Jan 15 13:21:34 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:21:51 <p_l> StingRay_: which autodesk stuff?
Jan 15 13:22:01 <StingRay_> maya, mudbox mainly
Jan 15 13:22:06 <StingRay_> as in my cert
Jan 15 13:22:13 <StingRay_> but cert means nothing really
Jan 15 13:22:15 <mikedg> it had to be over 16 years ago when I did that though
Jan 15 13:22:31 <StingRay_> I know some instructors that I would not employ to do simple 3d jobs
Jan 15 13:22:44 <p_l> (and let's be frank - they might not condone, but I'm pretty sure they looked away in cases of non-commercial use... because then they got to snag cheaply-taught people :D)
Jan 15 13:23:01 <StingRay_> p_l hence the introduction of PLE
Jan 15 13:23:09 <StingRay_> personal learning editions
Jan 15 13:23:13 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:23:39 <StingRay_> you find that with most dcc packages now
Jan 15 13:23:45 <p_l> StingRay_: yes, but AFAIK it was done for Maya before it was owned by Autodesk, or at least my old copy of Maya that was first or second PLE wasn't so
Jan 15 13:23:48 <StingRay_> even the $15k + price tag ones
Jan 15 13:23:54 <p_l> StingRay_: AutoCAD Student is borked, though
Jan 15 13:24:08 <balls2thewall> autodesk huh. stop killing max in favor of maya. ty
Jan 15 13:24:18 <StingRay_> I worked with Alias and it was much better
Jan 15 13:24:21 <p_l> (not to say that Autodesk didn't sit on laurels with CAD)
Jan 15 13:24:23 <StingRay_> or they were much better
Jan 15 13:24:41 <StingRay_> Maya is a different beast to max
Jan 15 13:25:00 <StingRay_> actually I would expect anyone into dev to prefer Maya by a sh*t load
Jan 15 13:25:05 <H3bus> Hi guys, i would lie to know if it is possible to fully replace GCM or CD2M with a custom app that will be installed on my server
Jan 15 13:25:05 <p_l> from my little experience I'd prefer Maya
Jan 15 13:25:09 <p_l> also because it runs on Linux :)
Jan 15 13:25:25 <StingRay_> origionally came from unix and the old sgi stations
Jan 15 13:25:30 <StingRay_> as power animator
Jan 15 13:25:31 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:25:35 <StingRay_> god I'm old
Jan 15 13:25:35 <H3bus> in order to be fully independent from google to send notifications to android devices
Jan 15 13:25:37 <balls2thewall> i started with max which is prob. why i prefer it. despite it getting laggier and slower with each release
Jan 15 13:26:01 <StingRay_> balls2thewall how many things can max do ?
Jan 15 13:26:04 <p_l> StingRay_: at least you're legitimely old. I *feel* old quite often, despite being supposedly young
Jan 15 13:26:23 <StingRay_> balls2thewall point is Maya can only ever do 3
Jan 15 13:26:25 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:26:26 <p_l> H3bus: yes, you can. You'd have to get a custom solution or code it yourself, though
Jan 15 13:27:09 <balls2thewall> StingRay_ elaborate
Jan 15 13:27:15 <balls2thewall> >blender can do everything
Jan 15 13:27:18 * balls2thewall hides under table
Jan 15 13:27:24 <StingRay_> not the point
Jan 15 13:27:33 <StingRay_> I used to teach Maya in london
Jan 15 13:27:50 <H3bus> p_l: yes i guess its true, but what I wonder is if solution already exists, like a JEE app that I would install on my server
Jan 15 13:27:52 <StingRay_> and to get over the way people look at it, you can simply break it down into just 3 things
Jan 15 13:28:10 <StingRay_> cause maya is built from a dual evaluation dependancy graphing system
Jan 15 13:28:18 <fdvalencia85> > hi is there someone that can help me or give me some tips in implementing the GUI for a OpenGL application? im implementing a volume rendering application for android, the rendering part I have already implemented it, now I need to implement de GUI to change some properties of the volume
Jan 15 13:28:19 <StingRay_> that just happens to be good a 3d graphics
Jan 15 13:28:20 <timroes> H3bus: besides a custom server you would also need an additional app the user needs to install
Jan 15 13:28:26 <p_l> H3bus: there are some, yes
Jan 15 13:28:33 <abhinavmehta> I'm reading some book about fragments, and he has typo, so need your help to render fragments on UI. http://bpaste.net/show/DcW6E223qAg5bVjxWRRl/
Jan 15 13:28:35 <p_l> H3bus: and you would have to deal with management yourself
Jan 15 13:28:48 <p_l> keeping a distributed system running is not easy
Jan 15 13:28:54 <xgear> Hello! How can i create fully transparent bitmap? I am trying to create using Bitmap.createBitmap(w, h, Bitmap.Config.ARGB_8888); but it always black. All solutions that i found - didn't helped me.
Jan 15 13:29:04 <balls2thewall> fdvalencia85 and youre not using androids built in widgets because... ?
Jan 15 13:29:13 <StingRay_> abhinavmehta  "extends Activity {"
Jan 15 13:29:22 <xgear> how i can clear this bitmap with transparent color
Jan 15 13:29:40 <abhinavmehta> StingRay_: yes, book author says extends Activity
Jan 15 13:29:54 <StingRay_> sure that should be fragmentActivity
Jan 15 13:30:10 <StingRay_> but as the previous convo says, I'm more a 3d artist than a dev
Jan 15 13:30:11 <StingRay_> :)
Jan 15 13:30:16 <abhinavmehta> StingRay_: topic I'm reading is Adding Fragments during Runtime
Jan 15 13:30:23 <H3bus> timroes: yes I know that, i already integrated CD2M notifications in my apps, but in my company the phones don't necessary have a google account set up
Jan 15 13:30:27 <fdvalencia85> balls2thewall I need to  implement a GUI similar to this http://www.cgw.com/images/Media/PublicationsArticle/81977.jpg
Jan 15 13:30:44 <timroes> xgear: new Canvas(bitmap).drawColor(Color.TRANSPARENT, PorterDuff.Mode.CLEAR);
Jan 15 13:30:46 <StingRay_> abhinavmehta yes I do that too in my app currently
Jan 15 13:30:46 <H3bus> p_l: I know that, I was thinking about a JEE app, with socets that could remain open
Jan 15 13:31:12 <p_l> H3bus: you won't get sockets to remain open, not on mobile data
Jan 15 13:31:21 <StingRay_> abhinavmehta  @SuppressLint("NewApi")  <--- not using support libs ?
Jan 15 13:31:22 <p_l> mobile data is just too crappy
Jan 15 13:31:22 <abhinavmehta> StingRay_: any suggestions/pointers to read about this…better if you could point some example
Jan 15 13:31:45 <abhinavmehta> StingRay_: eclipse needs @SuppressLint()
Jan 15 13:31:52 <H3bus> p_l: I guess you're right... Does anybody know how google notification system is working this issue ?
Jan 15 13:31:56 <p_l> H3bus: I don't know about many offerings, but maybe *this* has something for you: https://code.google.com/p/openmobster/
Jan 15 13:32:14 <p_l> H3bus: they probably use a good adaptive client on the system side :)
Jan 15 13:32:30 <balls2thewall> that blue rectangle is the gui element?
Jan 15 13:33:52 <fdvalencia85> yes in the blue rectangle are like some trapezoids that we can move to chabge some properties of the volume
Jan 15 13:34:22 <fdvalencia85> i want to implement something similar
Jan 15 13:35:02 <H3bus> p_l: openmobster seems good, i will look into it
Jan 15 13:36:47 <DysonReturns> Greets
Jan 15 13:37:02 <DysonReturns> can anyone recommend a good third party library for doing SOAP requests
Jan 15 13:37:13 <fdvalencia85> balls2thewall, so how can I implement this?, I have a glsurfaceview for the rendering of the volume, but now I dont know how to implment this gui
Jan 15 13:38:20 <p_l> DysonReturns: are you devving also the SOAP service, or do you have to work with an existing one? :)
Jan 15 13:38:49 <fdvalencia85> i could just implement another glsurfaceview, but I dont know to render both glsurfaceview at the same time, and position it correctly
Jan 15 13:40:53 <DysonReturns> p_l: i have to use an existing one
Jan 15 13:41:11 <balls2thewall> that looks tricky to implement in standart widgets, and slow too. id roll my own in a case like this :/
Jan 15 13:41:33 <DysonReturns> so far i've found icesoap, which allows parsing with limited xpath to objects. http://code.google.com/p/icesoap/
Jan 15 13:41:37 <abhinavmehta> I've a background in AdobeFlex, & Flex and Android components are quite similar…now in Flex we use to have more higher level frameworks to build a big-app…so are there such frameworks in android world too ??
Jan 15 13:42:41 <abhinavmehta> like in Flex, I've used Singleton Pattern, Factory Pattern, DirectInjection Pattern frameworks….so does something similar used here in Android world??
Jan 15 13:42:46 <ahhughes> are there any tricks for getting a phone to connect to the debug bridge in ubuntu.... mine works only some of the time "Found 0 devices connected with the Android Debug Bridge" :'(
Jan 15 13:43:11 <abhinavmehta> ahhughes: enable debuging mode in your phone..
Jan 15 13:43:23 <ahhughes> yes
Jan 15 13:43:56 <ahhughes> abhinavmehta, perhaps you should take a look at Dagger (from square) for dependcy injection
Jan 15 13:44:07 <p_l> abhinavmehta: those are pretty low-level patterns... in Android, you deal with "components", like Activities, Fragments, Services, Content Providers which compose into full applications, and UI framework has Views with some of them bindable to "Adapters" (which connect them to data source)
Jan 15 13:44:29 <p_l> there are also event buses and yes, dependency injection libs :)
Jan 15 13:44:43 <ahhughes> abhinavmehta, http://square.github.com/dagger/
Jan 15 13:44:43 <fdvalencia85> balls2wall what do you meen with id roll?
Jan 15 13:44:45 <abhinavmehta> ahhughes: p_l ty :)
Jan 15 13:45:07 <abhinavmehta> ahhughes: hmm reading :)
Jan 15 13:46:19 <ahhughes> its the same concept as Guice, Roboguice and Gin. Except the unique attribute of dagger is that the object graph is built entirely at compile time, this is to eliminate startup lag and excessive machine resource consumption.
Jan 15 13:46:56 <abhinavmehta> ahhughes: mmm…interesting
Jan 15 13:47:44 <ahhughes> There is a 1hr video on youtube about big modular java. that Bob Lee and Jesse Wilson did at google I/O. Very much worth watching.
Jan 15 13:48:20 <abhinavmehta> ahhughes: do you write blogs?
Jan 15 13:50:02 <ahhughes> nope, not my style.
Jan 15 13:56:56 <StErMi> Hi guys, I've some questions about in-app purchase and refund/expire system. I've purchased an inapp I added to my app and I've refunded it from market console. But actually I didn't get the refund broadcast. Is it normal?
Jan 15 13:58:40 <pragma-> fuck, I don't know how I ever lived without putty adb
Jan 15 13:58:55 <pragma-> adb shell in regular console sucks
Jan 15 14:00:32 <DysonReturns> trying one last time: anyone know a good WSDL library?
Jan 15 14:02:02 <StingRay_> does every app have local tmp space ?
Jan 15 14:02:05 <Afzal> Can we use CursorLoader in a class that doesn't extend any android class?
Jan 15 14:02:27 <Afzal> yes it does @ StingRay_
Jan 15 14:02:41 <p_l> abhinavmehta: one important thing to remember about Android, is that it resembles more Java EE than normal apps :)
Jan 15 14:03:16 <StingRay_> Afzal  : how is it accessed ? is it something that has to be managed or are there circumstances that clear it automatically (other than user clearning app data)
Jan 15 14:03:52 <abhinavmehta> p_l: yes, do agree :)
Jan 15 14:04:27 <Afzal> StingRay_,  http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html (getCacheDir())
Jan 15 14:04:40 <StingRay_> cheers
Jan 15 14:04:59 <abhinavmehta> p_l: after having a broader purview of the frameworks you mentioned, I got this sense.
Jan 15 14:06:05 <Afzal> will I need to use managedQuery (or query) if I want to utilize something like Cursor.moveToNext()?
Jan 15 14:06:13 <Afzal> I want to switch to CursorLoader
Jan 15 14:06:41 <jaldhar> Who uses otto here?  In activity A I start fragment B which has buttons which start a new copy of fragment C or resumes an existing copy and I want to disable the resume button if Fragment C finishes successfully.  I should be able to fire an event in C and subscribe to it in B right?
Jan 15 14:07:03 <Afzal> ah never mind, it seems like i can do that on onLoadFinished()
Jan 15 14:07:20 <jaldhar> But what is happening is that C does post the event but the subscriber in B doesn't get called.
Jan 15 14:07:21 <Afzal> still remains the query, how to get LoaderManager in a class that doesn't have that method :/
Jan 15 14:07:35 <jaldhar> Any idea why?
Jan 15 14:07:45 <Afzal>  typecast applicationContext with Activity?
Jan 15 14:12:04 <StErMi> Hi guys, I've some questions about in-app purchase and refund/expire system. I've purchased an inapp I added to my app and I've refunded it from market console. But actually I didn't get the refund broadcast. Is it normal?
Jan 15 14:13:52 <AfzalivE> Did I miss any replies?
Jan 15 14:14:13 <gmag> fdvalencia85, about writing files to sdcard, can't I create a file? I mean, does the file have to exist? I'm trying to instantiate a FileOutputStream("my_new_file") but I'm getting a FileNotFoundException
Jan 15 14:14:56 <StingRay_> ok when using android.provider.MediaStore.ACTION_IMAGE_CAPTURE intent to fire the camera to get an image, is there any reason that it would not return to my app even after clicking the tick in the camera app ?   no errors no nothing, just like the button has no action to it
Jan 15 14:15:01 <StingRay_> I have to press back
Jan 15 14:27:45 <aton`> is there an easy way to make an editText flat like a textview?
Jan 15 14:28:01 <aton`> i.e. change its appearance to something less prominent?
Jan 15 14:28:34 <mikedg_> change the background
Jan 15 14:33:21 <aton`> mikedg_: i tried setting it to blank/nothing, but it keeps inserting @android:drawable/edit_text
Jan 15 14:33:52 <mikedg_> what platform version? I wo't get a chance to try this, but I swear I've done it
Jan 15 14:33:55 <StingRay_> isnt that cause the "view style" overrides it ?
Jan 15 14:34:43 <aton`> mikedg_: 2.3.6, eclipse
Jan 15 14:48:13 <kakazza> aton`: Do you want it to look exactly like a TextView?
Jan 15 14:48:39 <kakazza> Because EditText looks really big and bulky on my 2.3.5 device and perfectly flat due to the Holo style on 4.x
Jan 15 14:50:18 <kakazza> You can style your EditText like a TextView, using the Android styles, I guess. https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/res/res/values/styles.xml#L455-L466
Jan 15 14:50:34 <kakazza> I did the same the other way round, making TextViews appear like an EditText
Jan 15 14:55:12 <kakazza> If I got you right, you could make your own style inherit from TextView. <style name="MyStyle" parent="android:style/Widget.TextView">
Jan 15 15:04:42 <NightRavenXS> kakazza, yeah thanks to that trick i could format my Activity like a Dialog
Jan 15 15:05:38 <NightRavenXS> haha i just noticed that Android SDK is like German, nouns (they desribe objects, like classes) are only written in capitals :D
Jan 15 15:09:28 <aton`> kakazza: i will try
Jan 15 15:10:49 <kakazza> Really depends on whay you want to do, aton`. But using the Android Styles assures that on each platform, it will look native. If you just set a white background, it might look off. But that depends on your design and what you're trying to do.
Jan 15 15:16:57 <aton`> kakazza: hm now something(?) happened and though i didnt change the sourcecode i get a lot of errors in eclipse, activity cannot be resolved to a type etc
Jan 15 15:19:20 <aton`> hrm restarting eclipse solved everything, weird
Jan 15 15:19:32 <monsti> restarting eclipse always helps
Jan 15 15:19:41 <monsti> i have a so called "optimized" eclipse.ini
Jan 15 15:19:56 <kakazza> Optimized how?
Jan 15 15:20:03 <monsti> but having 10 open xml files with adt really slows down everything
Jan 15 15:20:05 <kakazza> I mean, other than what Android already suggest.
Jan 15 15:20:19 <monsti> stolen from a lot of websites
Jan 15 15:20:21 <Parhs> hello guys
Jan 15 15:20:25 <Parhs> i have a strange problem
Jan 15 15:20:29 <Parhs> nobody helps
Jan 15 15:20:40 <p_l> don't ask to ask, just ask
Jan 15 15:21:06 <Parhs> if i add a new item at a ListView adapter
Jan 15 15:21:13 <Parhs> them having multi select
Jan 15 15:21:20 <Parhs> and i select a newly added item..
Jan 15 15:22:29 <Parhs> and then change orientation that causes onCreate to be called the new one it is lost.. I call mainListView.clearChoices(); 		mainListView.requestLayout(); and no selection appears  and getCheckedItemPositions  returns 0 items
Jan 15 15:22:57 <Parhs> but then when i click a button at action bar and call getCheckedItemPositions   the old choices appear
Jan 15 15:23:01 <Parhs> from nowhere!
Jan 15 15:23:14 <monsti> yeah sound fine
Jan 15 15:23:21 <monsti> onCreate recreates everything
Jan 15 15:23:32 <monsti> plase check the docs on handling orientation changes
Jan 15 15:23:35 <Parhs> yes but how can old choices although cleared come back ?
Jan 15 15:23:40 <monsti> there are a lot of ways to handle this
Jan 15 15:23:48 <monsti> you are describing the default way
Jan 15 15:23:49 <Parhs> that causes crash as position doesnt exit
Jan 15 15:24:19 <monsti> makes sense
Jan 15 15:24:24 <Parhs> monsti  onCreate recreates anything but then why choices are preserved ?
Jan 15 15:24:29 <monsti> the adapter isn't initalized again
Jan 15 15:24:37 <monsti> Parhs: no
Jan 15 15:24:38 <Parhs> i create new adapter
Jan 15 15:24:42 <monsti> the class isn't created with new
Jan 15 15:24:51 <monsti> only onCreate gets called
Jan 15 15:25:10 <monsti> but please have a look at the orientation an livecycle management of the activity
Jan 15 15:25:12 <Parhs> the activity is singletop
Jan 15 15:25:14 <monsti> it's not trivial
Jan 15 15:25:30 <Parhs> i had seen it but this doesnt explain why i cant clear the choices of the listview
Jan 15 15:26:16 <monsti> i am not sure if you have to call notifychanged on the adapter
Jan 15 15:26:21 <Parhs> http://pastie.org/private/k2q5kylisprwmcwkg4bfdw
Jan 15 15:26:42 <Parhs> at line 80 it is empty (no selection
Jan 15 15:26:58 <Parhs> but at 156 i get the old ones:S
Jan 15 15:27:14 <monsti> Parhs: after the rotation?
Jan 15 15:28:33 <monsti> Parhs: plase not - you have to handle static variables with care in android
Jan 15 15:29:10 <monsti> every variable that is a view/context/activity should not be used as static until you know what you are doing
Jan 15 15:30:36 <aton`> bbl
Jan 15 15:31:43 <Parhs> this is the only static variable.
Jan 15 15:31:51 <Parhs> it cant be done else
Jan 15 15:32:12 <monsti> Parhs: maybe the notifychanged goes to a drifferent adapter then the one you create onCreate
Jan 15 15:32:22 <monsti> you have an onResume and onCreate
Jan 15 15:32:24 <monsti> i am not sure (because i didn't check the android docs for you) what comes first
Jan 15 15:32:47 <Parhs> that might cause the problem ?
Jan 15 15:33:11 <monsti> onCreate creates a new instance when 1) first start or 2) rotation
Jan 15 15:33:23 <monsti> and the onResume fires notifyChanged
Jan 15 15:33:33 <Parhs> yes because it is resumed sometimes
Jan 15 15:33:35 <monsti> no idea what gets called first and on which instance
Jan 15 15:33:37 <lov> onCreate comes before onResume
Jan 15 15:33:50 <lov> If you don't know this, I strongly encourage you to read the activity lifecycle docs again
Jan 15 15:33:50 <StErMi> Hi guys, can you please give me some helps? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14340482/android-in-app-purchase-purchase-refund-sub-expired-events
Jan 15 15:34:10 <Parhs> but this seems irrelevant to my problem
Jan 15 15:35:03 <monsti> Parhs: i told you what i would do ;) have fun at debugging
Jan 15 15:38:08 <Parhs> that it might be diffrent adapter?
Jan 15 15:38:26 <Parhs> lov says that onCreate is called first
Jan 15 15:39:27 <lov> Parhs: correct, and onCreate is called ONCE per activity instance.
Jan 15 15:39:37 <lov> Parhs: you NEED to know the activity lifecycle. Period.
Jan 15 15:39:53 <lov> if you don't know what's happening, you're going to have logic errors.
Jan 15 15:46:27 <Parhs> lov i know what is happening...
Jan 15 15:46:47 <monsti> Parhs: you also have to decide how you handle rotation - there are multiple ways
Jan 15 15:46:50 <Parhs> but you probably can explain the error and you think that i dont know what is happening :)
Jan 15 15:46:59 <Parhs> cant*
Jan 15 15:47:13 <Parhs> i know that i can make it not call on create
Jan 15 15:47:38 <Parhs> but it seems crazy to me that since onCreate clears the choices of the listView then
Jan 15 15:47:47 <Parhs> they arent cleared
Jan 15 15:47:47 <monsti> yes
Jan 15 15:47:57 <monsti> the "new" is what's doing that
Jan 15 15:48:04 <monsti> you create a new listadapter
Jan 15 15:48:07 <Parhs> yes
Jan 15 15:48:10 <monsti> so?
Jan 15 15:48:25 <Parhs> so i have a new ListAdapter.. is this bad :)?
Jan 15 15:48:48 <monsti> well it has no selection and the scrollposition is lost
Jan 15 15:49:09 <misterli> Hello. I want to create a StartActivity which has 3 Menuitems listed. Ive another DashBoard later with more then 8 Items. So im looking for a pretty way to create the Startscreen (It has "Lessons", "People", "Settings").
Jan 15 15:50:29 <misterli> I had the idea to build up a list but this looks horrible. Now i had the Idea to build 3 big Icons/Drawable images and list them one below the other. How can i do a Crossed-Line between them?
Jan 15 15:50:52 <Parhs> but i want selection to be lost
Jan 15 15:51:04 <Parhs> the problem is that it is lost temporary
Jan 15 15:51:37 <misterli> And which Layout should i use? I prefer RelativLayout but it seems that LinearLayout would be the best way. It's easy to insert 3 ImageButtons but how do i make the Cross-Line between the ImageButtons?
Jan 15 15:52:35 <monsti> misterli: a View with a margintop/bottom of 30, a height of 1dp and a background color gray
Jan 15 15:53:39 <misterli> okay. And how do i get it dotted?
Jan 15 15:54:34 <monsti> misterli: create a shape with a dotted line as drawable and make this as background of the view
Jan 15 15:55:09 <monsti> misterli: or a 1pixel height image with a "- " content
Jan 15 16:11:45 <StingRay_> i have an interesting question
Jan 15 16:12:02 <StingRay_> is there any hdmi api or is that a device manuf. specific thing ?
Jan 15 16:49:47 <Parhs> Ok i found the problem
Jan 15 16:49:48 <Parhs> https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/android-cts-2.3_r12/core/java/android/widget/ListView.java
Jan 15 16:49:53 <Parhs> lst lines
Jan 15 17:06:25 <ignas> hi
Jan 15 17:07:24 <ignas> I am trying to use DownloadManager do download and display an image from a url, but I am getting ERROR_FILE_ALREADY_EXISTS error. How do I get the filename for the already existing file?
Jan 15 17:07:47 <ignas> I would like to keep using the download cache instead of explicitly setting the target filename.
Jan 15 17:09:06 <ignas> I looked at the sdk source code and could not find any place where the file name that will be used to store the download gets generated, and it does not seem to be accessible through the download manager content provider when download fails with this error
Jan 15 17:23:25 <tibbi> anyone knows if its possible to determine the moment when at an outgoing call the ringing begins ?
Jan 15 17:23:37 <tibbi> not TelephonyManager.CALL_STATE_OFFHOOK , its called already at dialing
Jan 15 17:26:21 <evanc> tibbi: when you get the PHONE_STATE_CHANGED action, it'll have an extra for PHONE_STATE_OFFHOOK or something
Jan 15 17:26:22 <jeppy> tibbi, when it starts ringing :P
Jan 15 17:26:28 <evanc> that'll indicate that it was picked up
Jan 15 17:26:53 <evanc> tibbi: wait, I'm confused. Do you want when the ringing starts or the conversation starts?
Jan 15 17:26:59 <tibbi> the ringing
Jan 15 17:27:13 <evanc> Intent.ACTION_NEW_OUTGOING_CALL
Jan 15 17:27:16 <tibbi> like what if I want to ring someone for 3 secs from an app
Jan 15 17:27:27 <tibbi> if its doable
Jan 15 17:27:49 <tibbi> i dont want the dialing included in those 3 secs
Jan 15 17:27:57 <tibbi> just pure ringing
Jan 15 17:29:02 <tibbi> ill check ACTION_NEW_OUTGOING_CALL if its about that
Jan 15 17:29:15 <tibbi> i mean if i can get the ringing start :p
Jan 15 17:30:40 <mheld> hey y'all
Jan 15 17:31:03 <mheld> anybody here poke around with the anymote protocol?
Jan 15 17:33:37 <Ark42> why does HttpURLConnection insist on adding Accept-Encoding: gzip ?? I tried connection.setRequestProperty("Accept-Encoding", null); but it still adds it
Jan 15 17:51:44 <timroes> Ark42: afaik thats a feature of android, that it tries itself to compress your http traffic as good as possible
Jan 15 17:57:06 <liquidmetal> If I want to design a complex custom view (zoom, transitions, fading, etc) - would using opengl be a good idea?
Jan 15 17:57:15 <liquidmetal> Or are there other graphics libraries that I could use?
Jan 15 18:00:11 <ignas> so, should I even use DownloadManager without setting an explicit path for the files that will get downloaded?
Jan 15 18:05:53 <jaldhar> JakeWharton: ping.  Can I ask you about otto?
Jan 15 18:05:57 <JakeWharton> sure
Jan 15 18:06:15 <jaldhar> JakeWharton:  In activity A I start fragment B which has buttons which start a new copy of fragment C or resumes an existing copy and I want to disable the resume button if Fragment C finishes successfully.  I should be able to fire an event in C and subscribe to it in B right?
Jan 15 18:06:56 <jaldhar> JakeWharton: but it seems the event gets fired but B does not see it.
Jan 15 18:07:09 <liquidmetal> Are there any alternatives to OpenGL on android?
Jan 15 18:15:53 <jaldhar> hmmm
Jan 15 18:16:16 <jaldhar> oh never mind.  problem still remains.
Jan 15 18:16:45 <twaddington> How can I prevent filtering XXHDPI devices in Google Play when using compatible-screens?
Jan 15 18:16:54 <twaddington> Specifically phones.
Jan 15 18:17:01 <twaddington> Anyone familiar?
Jan 15 18:27:45 <Ark42> Anybody know how I can test with self-signed certificates and HttpsURLConnection? I tried connection.setSSLSocketFactory(SSLCertificateSocketFactory.getInsecure(0, null)); but it doesn't change anything
Jan 15 18:28:09 <SimonVT> I don't think there are any xxhdpi devices
Jan 15 18:28:20 <Ark42> I also tried putting this string in Additional Emulator Command Line Options: -prop socket.relaxsslcheck=yes
Jan 15 18:29:51 <timroes> Ark42: you want to ignore the ssl warnings?
Jan 15 18:30:27 <Ark42> Yes, right now my connection just fails basically because I'm connecting to a dev machine with a self-signed cert
Jan 15 18:31:34 <timroes> https://github.com/timroes/aXMLRPC/blob/master/src/main/java/de/timroes/axmlrpc/XMLRPCClient.java#L618 basicl create your own trustmanager that ignores everything
Jan 15 18:31:45 <twaddington> SimonVT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_J_Butterfly
Jan 15 18:31:46 <timroes> might be there is a shorter version, but that works both android and regular java
Jan 15 18:32:13 <SimonVT> heh
Jan 15 18:32:34 <Ge0rG> it is a horrible idea to make an insecure ssl trustmanager
Jan 15 18:32:50 <Ge0rG> it will end up in the final code and become yet another insecure android app..
Jan 15 18:33:20 <timroes> Ge0rG: what is the way to shortly disable it under android?
Jan 15 18:33:33 <Ge0rG> Ark42: make a CA, sign your dev cert with that and import the CA cert into android's OS cert store
Jan 15 18:33:45 <Ark42> sure, that sounds way simpler
Jan 15 18:33:49 <timroes> :D
Jan 15 18:33:52 <Ge0rG> timroes: there is none.
Jan 15 18:33:59 <Ge0rG> java ssl handling is totally fucked up.
Jan 15 18:34:20 <Ark42> Maybe if -prop socket.relaxsslcheck=yes worked as advertised, and I could at least test in an emulator only, with no worry of code changes that I don't need for a live version
Jan 15 18:34:39 <Ge0rG> P.S: if your users might want to connect to a self-signed ssl site, you might want to install https://github.com/ge0rg/MemorizingTrustManager/ </shamelessplug>
Jan 15 18:39:06 <Silox|> Does anyone have any experience with the 'up button' functionality described in http://developer.android.com/training/implementing-navigation/ancestral.html ?
Jan 15 18:42:22 <kbs> Ge0rG: looks neat. How do you decide which server certs to accept?
Jan 15 18:43:39 <kbs> Oh, it asks the user to approve non-root signed certs?
Jan 15 18:43:44 <Ge0rG> kbs: correct
Jan 15 18:44:05 <Ark42> oh hey, I found an easy solution: connection.setHostnameVerifier(org.apache.http.conn.ssl.SSLSocketFactory.ALLOW_ALL_HOSTNAME_VERIFIER);
Jan 15 18:44:15 <kbs> Ge0rG: gotcha. Better'n "accept-all" for sure :-)
Jan 15 18:44:17 <Ark42> in conjunction with: connection.setSSLSocketFactory(SSLCertificateSocketFactory.getInsecure(0, null));
Jan 15 18:44:46 <timroes> oh gosh the developer page is so slow today...
Jan 15 18:44:49 <Ark42> works just fine for debugging (and no, my users don't need to connect to anything except 1 hard-coded URL in the end)
Jan 15 18:45:20 <Ge0rG> Ark42: hard-coded urls can be MITMed as well
Jan 15 18:45:30 <kbs> Ark42: It might be worth the effort to pin the certificate in your app; but hey :-)
Jan 15 18:46:00 <platzhirsch> Some BitmapFactory.decode experienced/damaged developers? The factory returns null for get requests without a file type ending and returns the decoded bitmap for get requests with an .jpg at the end.. even though this should make no difference at all, but that's the only one I can spot
Jan 15 18:48:19 <Ark42> I'm aware, I'm actually MITM'ing a windows app right now to analize the SOAP over SSL connection to make this Android app
Jan 15 18:49:04 <AndroUser> Can someone please explain how google payouts works to me like im 5? Ive had my game out since xmas and its selling good but i never see any money in my bank
Jan 15 18:49:14 <Ge0rG> Ark42: heh, but its not related to sharepoint? :D
Jan 15 18:50:16 <Ge0rG> AndroUser: you should get the money collected in a calendar month on the 7th of the next month or so; maybe your account needs additional validation though
Jan 15 18:50:50 <lov> AndroUser: When people buy your game, you get money. When you get enough money, google gives you the money.
Jan 15 18:51:03 <AndroUser> The payout site said the 15th and their faqs said the second.
Jan 15 18:51:04 <lov> AndroUser: personally, I get paid out like every month, but my app is really low volume.
Jan 15 18:51:08 <lov> yeah
Jan 15 18:51:13 <lov> that's our google ^_^
Jan 15 18:51:18 <lov> and god help you if you want to ask them a question
Jan 15 18:51:22 <AndroUser> I have about 100$ in my payout atm
Jan 15 18:51:42 <lov> try sending a support email or something, but you might just need to be patient
Jan 15 18:52:05 <AndroUser> Im about fed up with google at this point tbh. They would give me my money even after they raped my sales...
Jan 15 18:52:45 <AndroUser> So basically just wait and they will pay me when they feel like it?
Jan 15 18:53:14 <SimonVT> You'll probably have to wait until next month if you just signed up this christmas
Jan 15 18:54:05 <AndroUser> Well the money disappeared from my checkout but its not in my accout.
Jan 15 18:54:21 <Silox|> Then it's probably underway?
Jan 15 18:54:22 <AndroUser> Fuck google right now.
Jan 15 18:54:29 <AndroUser> What?
Jan 15 18:54:36 <Silox|> Money transfers can take a few days, no?
Jan 15 18:55:00 <Silox|> When I transcribe money to you, it goes off my account, and gets added to yours a few days later.
Jan 15 18:55:26 <Silox|> So probably, the money dissapeared from your checkout, and is underway to your account?
Jan 15 18:55:31 <AndroUser> I guess my bank has no record of it though. Im just sick of this. I end up with less than half of the money and then they treat my like this. Im about done.
Jan 15 18:56:13 <AndroUser> For real though? I get 42¢ on the dollar? Really? For what?
Jan 15 18:56:16 <Silox|> So at this point, the money should be transferred from google to your account, right?
Jan 15 18:56:26 <AndroUser> Should be
Jan 15 18:56:32 <Silox|> Yeah, just have patience then.
Jan 15 18:56:39 <Silox|> It will be on your bank account in a few days probs.
Jan 15 18:57:03 <AndroUser> I was just assuming that google would have their shit together at least on a basic level.
Jan 15 18:57:12 <SimonVT> Took 6 days from money disappeared from checkout til it showed up in my bank account last time
Jan 15 18:57:15 <Silox|> Also, Google pays hosting for your app, it pays for the traffic from all the downloaders and after all, an android playstore account is free.
Jan 15 18:57:26 <timroes> how is the speed of money transfer in the bank system googles fault?
Jan 15 18:57:26 <Silox|> AndroUser: That delay is out of google's hands. They can't do anything about it.
Jan 15 18:57:44 <AndroUser> A playstore account is NOT free
Jan 15 18:57:50 <AndroUser> It costs 25$
Jan 15 18:57:52 <timroes> it costs 25$ one time
Jan 15 18:57:55 <timroes> so its basicly free :D
Jan 15 18:58:04 <AndroUser> Which i am still yet to recover
Jan 15 18:58:20 <adq> speed of money transfer is well known, it allows bank to speculate
Jan 15 18:58:26 <adq> this is why it is so slow.
Jan 15 18:58:39 <timroes> we here in EU got a limit on that at least :)
Jan 15 18:58:47 <timroes> i guess the maximum is now 2 days they are allowed to take
Jan 15 18:58:53 <AndroUser> Its just fucked. They do not deserve half of my money for hosting an 11mb game
Jan 15 18:59:02 <SimonVT> Google only takes 30%
Jan 15 18:59:07 <adq> i'm in the EU too timroes, but I don't recall the exact max
Jan 15 18:59:15 <Silox|> AndroUser: How much downloads do you have?
Jan 15 18:59:29 <AndroUser> Simonvt false
Jan 15 18:59:34 <SimonVT> True
Jan 15 18:59:36 <adq> i like the "only" of SimonVT lol
Jan 15 18:59:42 <xorgate> is there a way to do offsetLeftAndRight() but absolute, versus relative ?
Jan 15 18:59:43 <Silox|> :P
Jan 15 18:59:57 <SimonVT> adq: Compared to his 58%, it's only
Jan 15 18:59:58 <AndroUser> Silox| 150+ paid 2000+ free
Jan 15 19:00:00 <kbs> I'm curious too... does  google actually take 58% of your app-store revenue?
Jan 15 19:00:05 <SimonVT> The difference is most likely taxes
Jan 15 19:00:12 * kbs bows to SimonVT -- took the words out of my mouth :-)
Jan 15 19:00:15 <timroes> and also compared to other industries
Jan 15 19:00:43 <adq> my bank is charging me 10€+10€ (so 20..) per transaction, when money comes from adbmob because it's in $ ;(
Jan 15 19:00:44 <Silox|> AndroUser: (150+2000)*11 = That's 23 Gigs of traffic.
Jan 15 19:00:57 <AndroUser> They take 30% plus 2¢ plus a lot more for international sales
Jan 15 19:01:03 <timroes> adq o.O you should change your bank :D
Jan 15 19:01:05 <adq> i'm glad with checkout, it is not the same and money directly comes in euro
Jan 15 19:01:14 <adq> timroes, i already compared many of them, it's not the worst
Jan 15 19:01:19 <timroes> that is quite a lot 10€ i would say
Jan 15 19:01:31 <AndroUser> Silox| for a free game
Jan 15 19:01:35 <adq> yeah comission fees they call that + conversion from $ to € + blablabla
Jan 15 19:01:36 <Silox|> AndroUser: So?
Jan 15 19:01:36 <adq> horrible.
Jan 15 19:01:40 <timroes> my charges me (depening on the value) around 1-5€
Jan 15 19:02:19 <AndroUser> Its just bullshit is all. And none of their info makes sense.
Jan 15 19:02:19 <timroes> my=mine*
Jan 15 19:02:30 <adq> Commission de change : 10,00 EUR and Commission d'encaissement : 10,00 EUR
Jan 15 19:02:38 <oGMo> AndroUser: well, android devices can side-load, so feel free to set up your own site store and handle payments and bandwidth and getting people to view it and pay ;)
Jan 15 19:02:41 <adq> (exactly written like that in french)
Jan 15 19:02:54 <Silox|> adq: BNP?
Jan 15 19:02:58 <adq> Sicp, CA
Jan 15 19:03:02 <Silox|> ah
Jan 15 19:03:03 <adq> oops Silox| ;)
Jan 15 19:03:06 <Silox|> :D
Jan 15 19:03:14 <Silox|> I'll never get used to that.
Jan 15 19:03:37 <adq> I would live in belgium like you Silox|, I would probably go for ING
Jan 15 19:03:48 <adq> (almost only heard good things about this bank)
Jan 15 19:04:19 <Silox|> Well, not much choice here, my dad works for PNB :P
Jan 15 19:04:36 <Silox|> So I have to choose between doing my own bank business or letting my dad do it. Made the decision pretty fast : D
Jan 15 19:05:33 <adq> Silox|, I also tried "rabobank" (in NL) which is not so bad too
Jan 15 19:05:42 <adq> (not sure if they are present in belgium though)
Jan 15 19:05:49 <Silox|> Nope, they aren't :3
Jan 15 19:06:16 <SimonVT> xorgate: No ;/
Jan 15 19:06:17 <timroes> adq: 1.85% if I use myc redit card for foreign currencies, receiving foreign currencies as a transfer to my account, I don't see that my bank would calculate any fe for that
Jan 15 19:06:39 <SimonVT> xorgate: Not until api11
Jan 15 19:06:45 <adq> lucky you timroes :)
Jan 15 19:07:00 <Silox|> urgh, PNB commisions de change: montant minimum: 16,55 €
Jan 15 19:07:03 <Silox|> :<
Jan 15 19:07:07 <xorgate> SimonVT :( i think my problem is not so much that it's relative, but that it appears to be 'reset' not only in a layoutpass
Jan 15 19:07:21 <adq> :|
Jan 15 19:07:49 <SimonVT> xorgate: No, it only resets in a layout pass :p
Jan 15 19:08:33 <xorgate> well something fishy's going on
Jan 15 19:09:53 <SimonVT> offsetLeftAndRight saves you a layout pass if you're just moving the x-position of a view
Jan 15 19:10:02 <SimonVT> When onLayout is called, you still have to layout it at the new position
Jan 15 19:10:30 <xorgate> yes
Jan 15 19:13:25 <xorgate> SimonVT fishyness found.. it was my code of course ;)
Jan 15 19:13:40 <xorgate> huzzah
Jan 15 19:14:18 <SimonVT> of course :p
Jan 15 19:18:21 <loin> hello, after i build android for emulator, how can i select the emulator resolution to emulate my phone's resolution?
Jan 15 19:21:44 <Ark42> Is there a way to parse XML into a series of objects similar to the way you can parse JSON into JSONObject/JSONArray ?
Jan 15 19:22:06 <Ge0rG> Ark42: simple-xml maybe?
Jan 15 19:23:21 <Ark42> eh? no results on http://developer.android.com
Jan 15 19:23:39 <canadiancow> Ark42, do it the same way as in any app? :P
Jan 15 19:23:42 <canadiancow> err
Jan 15 19:23:43 <canadiancow> any java
Jan 15 19:24:05 <Ark42> I never used Java before Android, I come from a C++ and MFC world
Jan 15 19:24:23 <canadiancow> ok, SEARCH for it with "java" instead of "android"
Jan 15 19:24:42 <Ark42> XmlPullParser just seems like a big mess to parse 500 bytes of XML
Jan 15 19:25:39 <timroes> 500 bytes of xml? does it contain any content if its so short ;)
Jan 15 19:26:06 <Ark42> yeah, it's a SOAP message that basically says true or false, and if true, there is a GUID I need :)
Jan 15 19:26:29 <timroes> yeah i also heard in java8 the boolean type will be 500 bytes each :)
Jan 15 19:28:07 <marcab> Doesn't Jackson handle xml?
Jan 15 19:48:07 <Ark42> I don't get this Simple XML - it's like I have to explicitly define the format I want to deserialize to, which is exactly NOT like how easy JSONObject is to work with
Jan 15 19:49:06 <mikedg_> Ark42: dont even parse it
Jan 15 19:49:30 <mikedg_> just return (string.indexof(true) == -1)
Jan 15 19:49:36 <Ark42> Please don't tell me to use regex :P
Jan 15 19:49:39 <mikedg_> just return (string.indexof("true") == -1)
Jan 15 19:50:04 <mikedg_> err ! that
Jan 15 19:50:25 <evanc> mikedg_: also make that a capital O
Jan 15 19:50:52 <mikedg_> your ide will fix all these errors
Jan 15 19:51:19 <mikedg_> collabedit needs to add alt+enter to auto fix everything
Jan 15 19:52:31 <ecentinela> Hello all! Somebody can say me if there is any way to change boundary (http://developer.android.com/design/style/touch-feedback.html) color on a grid view?
Jan 15 19:54:06 <Silox|> Let's say I have a drawable in each map: ldpi, hdpi, ... Is it still neccesary to include it in the drawable/ map?
Jan 15 19:54:59 <mikedg_> no
Jan 15 19:55:21 <mikedg_> it's recommened that you don't use any plain old png's in plain old drawable
Jan 15 19:55:49 <mikedg_> am I right or wrong that the new project thing with the sdk doesnt even create a drawable folder for you?
Jan 15 19:56:28 <mikedg_> I think an old version of Android used to shit a brick if you didn't have the correspoding drawable bucket for a device, but I'm pretty sure everyone stopped supporting that a long time ago
Jan 15 20:04:43 <Silox|> Hmm
Jan 15 20:04:46 <Silox|> Ok, thanks, mikedg_ :)
Jan 15 20:05:26 <Silox|> Followup question: I have an activity defined as <activity android:name=".Hydra" android:logo="@drawable/hydra"> in my manifest.xml. Is there any way to center this logo?
Jan 15 20:14:42 <ecentinela> (repeated) Somebody can say me if there is any way to change boundary (http://developer.android.com/design/style/touch-feedback.html) color on a grid view?
Jan 15 20:15:19 <ctate> the highlights are 9patch drawables supplied by the theme, aren't they?
Jan 15 20:16:08 <ecentinela> I don't know
Jan 15 20:16:45 <ecentinela> did you know where I can find information about the drawables I must override?
Jan 15 20:30:18 <mikedg_> i thin ctate is correctomundo
Jan 15 20:37:42 <canadiancow> mikedg_, isnt he always?
Jan 15 20:37:58 <mikedg_> nah, one time he told me 2+2 = 5, I'm pretty confident he was wrong
Jan 15 20:38:15 <canadiancow> dunno
Jan 15 20:38:25 <SimonVT> Depends how fast you math
Jan 15 20:49:33 <g00s> i'm sure Fedora "Spherical Cow" will be canadiancow's favorite distro
Jan 15 20:49:43 <canadiancow> wat
Jan 15 20:50:04 <JakeWharton> Silox|: use an ImageView as the action bar custom view and give it ActionBar.LayoutParams with gravity=center
Jan 15 20:50:19 <g00s> Spherical Cow released today (how do they come up with these names)
Jan 15 20:52:40 <oGMo> er, it's a reference to the old physicist joke, i'm sure
Jan 15 20:53:08 <oGMo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow
Jan 15 20:53:23 <g00s> Sperical cow of uniform density, thanks oGMo
Jan 15 21:07:45 <Peyam> hi
Jan 15 21:08:01 <Peyam> I get this error when I want to start new project in ..
Jan 15 21:08:02 <Peyam> #android-dev
Jan 15 21:08:09 <Peyam> [2013-01-15 22:06:02 - ThenewBoston] /home/peyam/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/aapt: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jan 15 21:10:20 <Peyam> wtf
Jan 15 21:10:22 <Peyam> anyone?
Jan 15 21:10:26 <Peyam> it makes me crazy
Jan 15 21:13:08 <g00s> what os / distro ?
Jan 15 21:13:21 <Peyam> xubuntu
Jan 15 21:13:25 <g00s> heh
Jan 15 21:13:38 <g00s> well, go to the package manager and install the package that supplies that
Jan 15 21:13:47 <Peyam> what is the name of the package?
Jan 15 21:14:01 <g00s> you'llhave to find it in the package manager
Jan 15 21:14:03 <g00s> use the GUI
Jan 15 21:14:18 <Peyam> yes. but what do I type?
Jan 15 21:14:21 <g00s> you'll wind up doing something like sudo dpkg -i libstdc++5_3.3.6-18_i386.deb
Jan 15 21:14:30 <g00s> not that exact package, but you get the idea
Jan 15 21:14:53 <Peyam> what is the name of the package I should search for
Jan 15 21:14:54 <Peyam> ?
Jan 15 21:14:57 <g00s> Peyam: i havent used ubuntu in about 5 years; maybe try their irc channel
Jan 15 21:15:15 <g00s> ask them how to use dpkg to install the c++ std lib"
Jan 15 21:15:21 <Peyam> okej
Jan 15 21:15:22 <Peyam> thank
Jan 15 21:15:23 <Peyam> s
Jan 15 21:16:23 <g00s> Peyam: also note that it is looking for version .6
Jan 15 21:17:05 <g00s> i find it hard to image that lib isn't installed by default; w/o looking at it i'm going to assume its an older one you may have to grab
Jan 15 21:21:46 <g00s> Peyam: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libstdc%2B%2B.so.6&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any
Jan 15 21:23:06 <g00s> if you dont have any libstdc++.so, grab the most recent first. if that does not work, grab the package that also provides the specific version. they are symlinked by the package install scripts
Jan 15 21:24:08 <Peyam> it is just stupid
Jan 15 21:25:35 <Peyam> installed the package
Jan 15 21:25:37 <Peyam> still doesnt work
Jan 15 21:26:21 <g00s> :( same error ?
Jan 15 21:26:31 <gkatsev> anyone know what property in an android project eclipse uses for the project name in the project explorer view?
Jan 15 21:27:04 <Peyam> yeah
Jan 15 21:28:08 <g00s> there is a command to refresh the ld cache, but that should have been done on post-install script
Jan 15 21:28:58 <g00s> you can try $ldconfig i think
Jan 15 21:29:13 <g00s> you can also try ldd libstdc++
Jan 15 21:29:14 <erkan^> hello, i have a quetion. which application is that i can read good with accessibliity
Jan 15 21:29:30 <erkan^> as zoom/contrast
Jan 15 21:29:36 <erkan^> ***digital book
Jan 15 21:30:48 <g00s> erkan^: almost any ereader has prefs for contrast / color and word size :|
Jan 15 21:38:58 <jonathan_eyre> Can ioctl be called in native code?
Jan 15 21:39:08 <Ark42> uhg, why is onPrepareOptionsMenu called when my app starts, and then not called the first time I press the menu key. After that, it's called once right when I press the menu key every time
Jan 15 21:41:39 <evanc> Ari|: I don't remember; is onPrepare called before onCreate?
Jan 15 21:43:29 <jonathan_eyre> It looks like the source code for UsbDeviceConnection() actually uses ioctl calls, so just going native may be much less of a headache than trying to port linux USB calls to USB Host code.
Jan 15 22:00:27 <AlCapwn> wow, I am shocked. No proguard, apk size = 664, with proguard, apk size = 360
Jan 15 22:00:39 <AlCapwn> s/apk/classes.dex
Jan 15 22:02:27 <evanc> AlCapwn: I never would've thought that a tool designed to reduce binary size would reduce binary size
Jan 15 22:02:47 <canadiancow> we need a proguard for resources
Jan 15 22:02:58 <canadiancow> because im sure i dont use even 10% of the crap in ABS
Jan 15 22:03:00 <fruitJuice> how do i convert regular XML to Android binary XML??
Jan 15 22:03:11 <AlCapwn> evanc: I didn't expect that big an improvement
Jan 15 22:03:32 <evanc> fruitJuice: do I dare ask what you're trying to do?
Jan 15 22:04:05 <canadiancow> no
Jan 15 22:04:06 <canadiancow> dont ask
Jan 15 22:05:07 <ctate> AlCapwn:  symbols are a remarkably large part of any binary, really
Jan 15 22:05:29 <ctate> iirc the Chrome desktop app has something over half a gig of debugging symbols
Jan 15 22:05:38 <ctate> in the associated pdb file
Jan 15 22:06:03 <ctate> for an app that's *maybe* 300 MB of actual binary
Jan 15 22:07:48 <clever> ctate: the qt libs are pretty bad too, some of the debug files are 2gig
Jan 15 22:08:23 <ctate> human-readable text is big, mmkay?
Jan 15 22:08:31 <AlCapwn> I think proguard is a must with android-support lib
Jan 15 22:08:42 <clever> just libQtCored.a (staticly linkable, with debug) is 110mb
Jan 15 22:08:55 <AlCapwn> loads of unused classes
Jan 15 22:09:54 <clever> ctate: did you ever look into the service issue?
Jan 15 22:09:56 <g00s> canadiancow: thats a good idea; dexguard info doesn't say anything about that functionality
Jan 15 22:10:20 <ctate> clever:  don't expect me to find time for it in the immediate future :)
Jan 15 22:10:26 <adq> fruitJuice, you can have a look at apktool
Jan 15 22:10:42 <clever> ctate: i did find the source in AOSP that triggered the service restart, i just have no clue why its triggering
Jan 15 22:10:57 <adq> canadiancow, in the meantime we can use "lint" but it does not fully cover all resources though
Jan 15 22:11:19 <canadiancow> adq, i wrote my own unused resource detector
Jan 15 22:11:23 <canadiancow> not sure if lint's caught up to it yet
Jan 15 22:11:33 <g00s> actually, the dexguard info page is pretty lame
Jan 15 22:11:33 <canadiancow> but that serves a completely different purpose
Jan 15 22:11:45 <canadiancow> with actionbarhserlock, i dnt want to delete resources im not using in my app
Jan 15 22:11:53 <canadiancow> i just dont want them packaged in my apk
Jan 15 22:12:25 <adq> do you gain a lot (in size) since most resources are text and apk is basically a zip?
Jan 15 22:12:42 <canadiancow> drawables aren't text
Jan 15 22:12:45 <canadiancow> and it really depends
Jan 15 22:12:54 <adq> ah true * bumping my head
Jan 15 22:13:04 <canadiancow> if you have layout layout-land layout-sw600dp layout-land-sw600dp layout-sw720dp layout-land-sw720dp etc
Jan 15 22:13:18 <canadiancow> suddenly that "one" unused layout file is 6
Jan 15 22:13:32 <g00s> is it possible to tell apktool you have an alternative res/ tree which contains  generated assets ?
Jan 15 22:13:36 <timroes> hmm had anyone problem pushing to gerrit today? it totally messes up my email addresses and say I have to fill in the agreement, which I already have?
Jan 15 22:14:18 <ctate> timroes: that's the AOSP gerrit instance you're talking to?
Jan 15 22:14:24 <timroes> yeah
Jan 15 22:14:51 <timroes> "fatal: remote error:  A Contributor Agreement must be completed before uploading:"
Jan 15 22:14:59 <timroes> clicking on the link just shows me the table with my agreement
Jan 15 22:15:12 <adq> i have begun to use a downsample algo for sounds resources to avoid heavy apk (so instead of having many collections of different samplerates (e.g. 44kHz 32kHz 22kHz, etc..) I'm keeping only one (44kHz) which I -on the fly- downsample to desired samplerate), I imagine it would be doable at some point for drawable resources (especially with xhdpi hdpi etc...)
Jan 15 22:15:17 <timroes> i also have inserted the .netrc stuff
Jan 15 22:15:17 <canadiancow> does it say "verified" ?
Jan 15 22:15:21 <timroes> yeah
Jan 15 22:15:25 <canadiancow> hmm
Jan 15 22:15:33 <timroes> Verified Individual
Jan 15 22:15:37 <ctate> timroes: may i pm you?
Jan 15 22:15:42 <timroes> i would like so :)
Jan 15 22:31:51 <g00s> is there any way to tell the android build tools (command line & via eclipse) that some of my resources are auto generated and in some separate tree like gen/res ?
Jan 15 22:32:03 <g00s> gen/res/drawable/ etc
Jan 15 22:32:15 <canadiancow> lol good luck with that :)
Jan 15 22:32:28 <n20> My GNexus bricked itself today. :(
Jan 15 22:32:35 <canadiancow> if you write a custom build script maybe :P
Jan 15 22:32:36 <g00s> i dont want to rasterize my svgs and chuck them in with the non-generated assets
Jan 15 22:33:30 <g00s> does the next tools release (21) come with the gradle based build system? the current system is totally braindead
Jan 15 22:34:40 <canadiancow> isnt there a preview of 21 out?
Jan 15 22:36:39 <ctate> iirc yes
Jan 15 22:37:27 <g00s> oh, sdk 22
Jan 15 23:15:21 <AlCapwn> can Robotium dynamically switch between activities under test?
Jan 15 23:15:39 <AlCapwn> I launch a second activity and want to click some stuff on it, and then go back to my previous one
Jan 15 23:19:12 <matt9> yup
Jan 15 23:19:22 <matt9> ^alcapwn
Jan 15 23:20:26 <AlCapwn> matt9: how?
Jan 15 23:21:03 <matt9> dont really remember the specifics, but i do remember doing it. are you running into problems?
Jan 15 23:21:47 <matt9> i think i basically started a robotium test, clicked a button with some text on it, then waited for some text that appears in the next activity
Jan 15 23:22:27 <AlCapwn> I can't find any methods that let me change the activity to look in for stuff like "clickOnButton"
Jan 15 23:23:12 <matt9> i believe it always just looks in whatever the current activity is
Jan 15 23:31:55 <kakazza> AlCapwn: More details? You start in Activity A and then?
Jan 15 23:32:17 <AlCapwn> kakazza: then I click a button which takes me to B
Jan 15 23:32:24 <kakazza> Yeah.
Jan 15 23:32:26 <AlCapwn> in B I want to click some stuff, and then return to A
Jan 15 23:32:39 <kakazza> Ok, where exactly does it go wrong?
Jan 15 23:32:53 <AlCapwn> my tests aren't running at all atm for some reason, so I can't test if Robotium is searching stuff in the new activity
Jan 15 23:33:10 <AlCapwn> In the progress tab it just says "creating source locator"
Jan 15 23:33:15 <kakazza> Always searches in the currenct activity.
Jan 15 23:33:24 <AlCapwn> kakazza: I thought Robotium needed to be told otherwis
Jan 15 23:33:24 <AlCapwn> e
Jan 15 23:33:36 <kakazza> No
Jan 15 23:33:39 <AlCapwn> ok
Jan 15 23:34:16 <kakazza> I've written a lot of Robotium tests. I start in A, click on a button which takes be to B, click on some stuff there and if I want to go back do 'solo.back()' or goBack() (forgot the exact name).
Jan 15 23:34:43 <platzhirsch> I noticed that with *Home* button -> launching application again I can create multiple instances of my activity, what is the standard approach to prohibit that?
Jan 15 23:34:54 <kakazza> _If_ something is not found, you might be sending events too fast. There's solo.waitForActivity() in that case. Can happen when the device is slow or the layout is very comples.
Jan 15 23:50:02 <Trinity> g00s: you there?
Jan 15 23:50:22 <g00s> hi Trinity
Jan 16 00:02:53 <JakeWharton> platzhirsch: singleTop
Jan 16 00:11:46 <xorgate> will a GCM id for my device-app-combo ever change if i don't reinstall or anything?
Jan 16 00:23:50 <platzhirsch> JakeWharton: thanks
Jan 16 00:24:05 <platzhirsch> xorgate: device id?
Jan 16 00:24:17 <xorgate> yes
Jan 16 00:24:22 <platzhirsch> xorgate: so the id you get when registering with the GCM service
Jan 16 00:24:38 <xorgate> that one
Jan 16 00:24:44 <platzhirsch> xorgate: it definetely has an expiration date, plus Google can always void the registration id, so you might have to reregister
Jan 16 00:25:26 <platzhirsch> onUnregistered should then be invoked so you can deal with that
Jan 16 00:47:42 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Anything one can do to help you implement the custom menu set for 4.3.0 of ABS?
Jan 16 00:47:56 <JakeWharton> you could finish it!
Jan 16 00:48:09 <JakeWharton> i just haven't had enough time
Jan 16 00:50:49 <kakazza> Heh, I would if I knew what exactly you're aiming at.
Jan 16 00:51:18 <JakeWharton> well the implementation is basically done
Jan 16 00:51:28 <JakeWharton> all that's left is a cache color hint problem with the ListView and getting windowAnimations working
Jan 16 00:51:40 <JakeWharton> and clicking on menu items doesn't work
Jan 16 00:52:56 <kakazza> How do I get the menu in an app? Do I have to apply a special theme like before with the .ForceOverflow theme?
Jan 16 00:53:25 <Winslow> is there a reason why google analytics wouldn't display realtime users if you are using the automated dispatch?
Jan 16 00:53:41 <kakazza> I kinda miss the .ForceOverflow theme :\
Jan 16 00:53:59 <kakazza> Why was it removed? Wasn't mentioned in the Changelog.
Jan 16 00:55:23 <JakeWharton> because it was a lie
Jan 16 00:55:58 <JakeWharton> it only worked on pre-ICS and was counter to ABS' core policy: duplicating the action bar behavior exactly on pre-HC
Jan 16 00:56:29 <JakeWharton> and no, you don't have to do anything for the menu, it's enabled globally
Jan 16 00:57:23 <kakazza> It didn't exactly work like on ICS?
Jan 16 00:58:17 <JakeWharton> you can't force the overflow menu with the native action bar
Jan 16 00:58:55 <kakazza> I thought the ForceOverflow Theme was just to _have_ an overflow menu on platforms like GB.
Jan 16 00:59:43 <JakeWharton> the overflow is the normal options menu
Jan 16 00:59:56 <JakeWharton> that is the platform behavior on Android 4.0+ when a menu key is present
Jan 16 01:00:10 <JakeWharton> and since all pre-HC devices have a menu key, they all got overflows in the normal options menu
Jan 16 01:01:15 <kakazza> The Overflow is just more beautiful than the normal options menu :\
Jan 16 01:01:42 <wabz> that's one thing I really find weird about chrome
Jan 16 01:01:56 <wabz> when I open it, the overflow menu is shown for a few seconds
Jan 16 01:01:58 <wabz> then disappears
Jan 16 01:02:07 <JakeWharton> wabz: probably because they don't use the platform action bar
Jan 16 01:02:28 <JakeWharton> kakazza: it is, but having behavior that's different across two platforms is worse
Jan 16 01:02:58 <wabz> JakeWharton: do you go chasing people who don't put attribution/license for asb?
Jan 16 01:03:12 <JakeWharton> no
Jan 16 01:03:30 <JakeWharton> it'd be a full-time job
Jan 16 01:03:46 <wabz> we're using it in an app that's very likely to be preloaded on samsung devices in .au
Jan 16 01:04:10 <JakeWharton> oh snap!
Jan 16 01:04:15 <wabz> with attribution :)
Jan 16 01:04:21 <kakazza> Hmm, is it different? Because now I have a GB device with an ugly options menu (no icons, because I didn't need them for the overflow) and a JB device with overflow.
Jan 16 01:04:34 <kakazza> _That_ is different. With Forceoverflow, they looked the same.
Jan 16 01:04:37 <JakeWharton> kakazza: because one of those has a menu key and the other does not
Jan 16 01:04:45 <JakeWharton> get a JB device with a menu key and they'll look the same
Jan 16 01:04:51 <kakazza> :\
Jan 16 01:05:03 <JakeWharton> wabz: I appreciate the ones who do attribute. So thanks!
Jan 16 01:05:20 <kakazza> Guess it can't be helped.
Jan 16 01:05:41 <JakeWharton> kakazza: once this custom-menu branch lands the overflow will still be hidden behind the menu key, but it'll at least be less ugly
Jan 16 01:05:59 <kakazza> Yeah, it's the less ugly I'm interested in ;)
Jan 16 01:06:16 <kakazza> Just afraid I couldn't meet your high quality demands on the code if I started helping.
Jan 16 01:07:17 <funkbox> ABS requires attribution ?
Jan 16 01:07:42 <JakeWharton> it's Apache 2 so it requires whatever that crazy document says
Jan 16 01:07:47 <wabz> all apache 2.0 licensed code does
Jan 16 01:07:50 <funkbox> ah
Jan 16 01:07:53 <wabz> attribution and license text
Jan 16 01:07:53 <funkbox> okay i should add that in
Jan 16 01:08:22 <wabz> while most people won't go chasing you it's socially responsible behaviour to include it :p
Jan 16 01:08:34 <funkbox> yeah considering how much it has helped me
Jan 16 01:08:42 <funkbox> i've already offered JakeWharton lunch :)
Jan 16 01:08:46 <wabz> haha
Jan 16 01:08:49 <ctate> ha ha
Jan 16 01:09:10 <kakazza> Attribution has to be done in the source code or in an about dialog when it's closed source for example?
Jan 16 01:09:26 <wabz> it's usually put in an about box or activity or some such yeah
Jan 16 01:09:39 <funkbox> yeah i have an about activity
Jan 16 01:09:52 <funkbox> gonna put it right above the easter egg
Jan 16 01:09:54 <wabz> I think you can get away with using the short form of the license text, but best to follow whatever the developer has on their site/code
Jan 16 01:10:13 <wabz> ask someone who actually knows abotu this stuff :)
Jan 16 01:10:35 <funkbox> ain't nobody got time for that
Jan 16 01:21:19 <pixelfire> has anyone done an rtsp stream from their device?
Jan 16 01:21:30 <kakazza> Which Apps have the 'native non-AB-based overflow'?
Jan 16 01:21:44 <kakazza> That you mention in #627, JakeWharton?
Jan 16 01:21:53 <JakeWharton> link
Jan 16 01:22:02 <kakazza> https://github.com/JakeWharton/ActionBarSherlock/issues/627
Jan 16 01:23:00 <JakeWharton> every app on a device with a hardware meny key
Jan 16 01:23:02 <JakeWharton> *menu
Jan 16 01:23:32 <kakazza> All I ever see is that the menu key triggers the overflow.
Jan 16 01:24:17 <JakeWharton> devices with a hardware menu key do not have overflow action items
Jan 16 01:25:21 <kakazza> I'll check once I find someone with such a device
Jan 16 01:25:39 <JakeWharton> i have about 10
Jan 16 01:26:47 <funkbox> samsungs all do that
Jan 16 01:27:15 <kakazza> We all got G Nexus
Jan 16 01:27:26 <funkbox> i have a S3
Jan 16 01:27:32 <funkbox> and a few others
Jan 16 01:27:36 <funkbox> but saldy no nexus 4.
Jan 16 01:28:03 <JakeWharton> S3 or Nexus S are good candidates
Jan 16 01:28:06 <funkbox> even have a lumia 920
Jan 16 01:28:35 <wabz> there are apps that will fake an overflow menu for menu button devices and have the menu button trigger it
Jan 16 01:28:46 <wabz> I remember having this discussion here a while back
Jan 16 01:28:57 <JakeWharton> Google+ doesn't use the native action bar and probably does that
Jan 16 01:29:04 <funkbox> it breaks user expectations though
Jan 16 01:29:22 <wabz> well the issue that most peope have is they think the menu button menu isn't nearly as discoverable
Jan 16 01:29:44 <wabz> romainguy said something about usability studues showing users who have those devices find the menus regardless
Jan 16 01:30:23 <kakazza> As in, people don't press the menu button but look for something in the UI?
Jan 16 01:30:33 <funkbox> just checked, g+ doesn't do the fake overflow
Jan 16 01:30:57 <JakeWharton> that was probably only fixed in a recent update, it used to
Jan 16 01:31:42 <wabz> kakazza: sort of yeah - that the overflow button is way more discoverable than an invisible menu that comes up when the menu button is pressed
Jan 16 01:31:44 <funkbox> it has that crazy fast scrolling too.. i don't like it
Jan 16 01:32:53 <wabz> wow g+ has a very odd looking tab-ish bar now too :p
Jan 16 01:33:31 <JakeWharton> yeah the quick-compose things that show/hide. i dislike them quite strongly
Jan 16 01:33:59 <funkbox> it's novel
Jan 16 01:34:04 <funkbox> novel = bad
Jan 16 01:34:19 <wabz> that kind of thing you often see on article pages
Jan 16 01:34:43 <wabz> where they show/hide depending on whether the user might be readin the article
Jan 16 01:35:01 <wabz> it can be implemented quite nicely I think - get full screen articles while scrolling it
Jan 16 01:35:28 <funkbox> wabz: agree. the g+ implementation is just crappy
Jan 16 01:36:04 <funkbox> they only show it once you hit the top of the listview… so why not just show it as the top item in the listview?
Jan 16 01:36:58 <kakazza> The Mood/Photo/Write bar?
Jan 16 01:38:09 <muhoo> i'm baffled on how to represent a tree structure in a contentprovider to make it easy to retrieve/edit the leaves individually
Jan 16 01:38:30 <muhoo> and also to return the whole structure. i'm wondering if contentprovider is even the right abstraction to use
Jan 16 01:39:10 <ctate> well
Jan 16 01:39:20 <muhoo> i'm leaning towards storing the whole damn thing in a blob as a protobuf, and deserializing the whole thing every time anything is done to any part of it
Jan 16 01:39:25 <ctate> content://domain/path/to/leaf
Jan 16 01:39:49 <ctate> is sort of typical; after all, that sort of path representation was derived from representing tree structured data
Jan 16 01:40:16 <muhoo> ctate: hmm, that could work. except the leaves could all be different types
Jan 16 01:41:13 <muhoo> but i could deal with that
Jan 16 01:41:28 <muhoo> that's actually not hard
Jan 16 01:41:32 <ctate> APIs for interacting with heterogeneous data are their own special kind of fun, in any situation
Jan 16 01:42:11 <muhoo> right, type dispatch, etc. i've already done that for the domain objects that the things deserialize to anyway
Jan 16 01:42:53 <muhoo> i guess a file system is a tree, and content providers kind of map to a file-system-lik path, so, should work
Jan 16 01:43:30 <muhoo> thanks, will try that.
Jan 16 01:46:52 <kakazza> While we're (probably?) on the topic.
Jan 16 01:47:09 <kakazza> I want to save two strings persistently.
Jan 16 01:47:26 <kakazza> Basically "Filename | URL to upload File to"
Jan 16 01:47:39 <kakazza> Where would I put that in Android?
Jan 16 01:48:17 <kakazza> Also a ContentProvider?
Jan 16 01:49:44 <kakazza> I don't think so, because it doesn't provide data. I simply need to store these strings somewhere. In case the user is offline at this point in time.
Jan 16 01:52:49 <ctate> they're strings you downloaded from a server, or something?  or are they just built into your app statically?
Jan 16 01:53:10 <ctate> if the latter, just use a string resource in your apk
Jan 16 01:53:32 <kakazza> My app gets called via intent, one of the parameters is the URL
Jan 16 01:53:34 <ctate> if the former, just write them to any old file in your app's data directory, and read them from there when your app is initialized
Jan 16 01:53:54 <kakazza> the app takes a photo and uploads it to the upload URL.
Jan 16 01:54:24 <ctate> g00s: ping?  you were asking about the next tools release; preview was just updated. https://plus.google.com/116539451797396019960/posts/SJGQhnJWejj
Jan 16 01:54:31 <kakazza> Well, that would require at least a bit of parsing. I was thinking of using something like SharedPreferences maybe? Two primitives can be stored there.
Jan 16 01:54:59 <kakazza> Or what 'any old file' would you recommend specifically?
Jan 16 01:57:23 <ctate> err, literally anything.  you can name files whatever you want.
Jan 16 01:57:31 <ctate> sure you can use sharedpreferences
Jan 16 01:57:41 <ctate> you can also just write a file that has two strings in it.
Jan 16 01:57:51 <ctate> guess which is faster and more efficient :)
Jan 16 01:59:09 <kakazza> SharedPreferences? I seriously don't know. I'd guess the internal APIs are faster than manually writing and reading files?
Jan 16 02:00:06 <ctate> sharedpreferences is not the winner here.
Jan 16 02:00:16 <ctate> it does *far* more work in the process of putting those two strings into the file.
Jan 16 02:00:38 <ctate> seriously, if it were me i'd just open a file, write the strings, close it.
Jan 16 02:00:47 <ctate> when the app was launched, i'd open the file, read teh strings, close it.  done.
Jan 16 02:01:14 <ctate> but i didn't see your answer to my earlier question
Jan 16 02:01:16 <kakazza> There are potentially many lines with different filename/url combos. Potentially I'd have to remove the lines one by one.
Jan 16 02:01:20 <ctate> are these strings ever going to *change*?
Jan 16 02:01:26 <ctate> these are the text of the prompt, right?
Jan 16 02:02:25 <ctate> <kakazza? I want to save two strings persistently.
Jan 16 02:02:37 <ctate> <kakazza> Basically "Filename | URL to upload File to"
Jan 16 02:02:39 <kakazza> App gets started from the browser. Takes a few paramters, including upload URL. App generates image, gets uploaded to upload URL. If there is no connection or a problem, App should retry, at least once it get's restarted.
Jan 16 02:02:50 <ctate> did i misunderstand?  you want to store the actual filename & url strings, not the quoted text here?
Jan 16 02:02:51 <kakazza> Ah, once uploaded, they get deleted of course!
Jan 16 02:03:03 <ctate> right
Jan 16 02:03:09 <ctate> i.e. you just delete the file where you stored them
Jan 16 02:03:10 <kakazza> Not the quoted text. Actual filename and url string, yes.
Jan 16 02:03:15 <ctate> okay that's easy
Jan 16 02:03:23 <g00s> thanks ctate
Jan 16 02:03:25 <ctate> like i said, just write them to a plain file
Jan 16 02:03:28 <JakeWharton> kakazza: we have a library for persisted task queues if you're intersted. might be overkill for what you're doing, though
Jan 16 02:03:41 <ctate> if the file exists when you're launched with no url, then you know what to use
Jan 16 02:04:58 <kakazza> JakeWharton: I'd love to look into that.
Jan 16 02:05:02 <JakeWharton> kakazza: http://square.github.com/tape/
Jan 16 02:05:12 <kakazza> ctate: I guess, yeah.
Jan 16 02:05:40 <kakazza> I thought doing stuff like writing your own files with strings as a 'data store' is discouraged with so many different ways and APIs to store data with in Android.
Jan 16 02:05:40 <ctate> this isn't much code, btw.
Jan 16 02:05:45 <ctate> FileInputStream and FileOutputStream
Jan 16 02:06:03 <ctate> BufferedOutputStream if you really really care about avoiding extra writes
Jan 16 02:06:23 <ctate> the Android APIs are to support more sophisticated things
Jan 16 02:06:26 <kakazza> If I get tired of all the Streams, I'll import some Apache Commons I/O methods ;)
Jan 16 02:06:40 <ctate> SharedPreferences for a simple extensible key/value store
Jan 16 02:06:49 <ctate> SQL databases for that sort of thing
Jan 16 02:07:11 <ctate> but it's not because these are inherently better for all tasks; it's because they're good for certain *kinds* of tasks, and it's nice not to make everybody reimplement everything
Jan 16 02:07:19 <ctate> but what you're talking about it literally just a few lines of code
Jan 16 02:08:16 <kakazza> Yeah, I guess.
Jan 16 02:08:30 <kakazza> What I'm more worried about is that I don't know how to handle disconnects during the upload.
Jan 16 02:09:21 <kakazza> I couldn't find a good example of that in the API examples. I know that I shoould use a Service to do the actual upload. But not how to provide a Retry button. Or a progress bar for that matter.
Jan 16 02:09:40 <JakeWharton> kakazza: that's what Tape is for! Look at the sample it's an image uploader that can suffer disconnects, battery pulls, etc.
Jan 16 02:09:49 <JakeWharton> it's transactional and atomioc
Jan 16 02:09:53 <JakeWharton> also, atomic
Jan 16 02:10:08 <ctate> NUKULAR!
Jan 16 02:10:13 <kakazza> hahaha
Jan 16 02:10:26 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Wow, that's just great. And the .jar is very small too.
Jan 16 02:11:44 <JakeWharton> i'm actually curious if the sample still works since imgur changed their API abruptly a month or so ago
Jan 16 02:13:56 <ctate> as long as http://imgur.com/jacoj still works we're fine
Jan 16 02:15:35 <JakeWharton> we should petition imgur to alias imgur.com/gtfo to that
Jan 16 02:19:19 <kakazza>  * <p><strong>NOTE:</strong> The current implementation is built
Jan 16 02:19:20 <kakazza>  * for file systems that support atomic segment writes (like YAFFS).
Jan 16 02:19:37 <kakazza> Will that still work if it's an SD Card with FAT32?
Jan 16 02:22:23 <kakazza> (From Tape)
Jan 16 02:38:30 <Trinity> hey g00s have you heard of whonix?
Jan 16 02:38:42 <mrenouf> kakazza, or every modern version of Android using ext4
Jan 16 02:38:46 <g00s> Trinity: no , i haven't
Jan 16 02:39:17 <Trinity> hmm, i've heard rumors that the tor network was already mapped out by the feds
Jan 16 02:39:20 <Trinity> whats your take on that?
Jan 16 02:45:26 <xorgate> 'mapped' ?
Jan 16 02:46:43 <Trinity> xorgate: as in SSLstripped
Jan 16 02:47:52 <xorgate> hm have to google that
Jan 16 02:48:27 <Trinity> fed set up exit nodes - and sslstripped
Jan 16 02:48:31 <g00s> steganography my friend ;)
Jan 16 02:48:32 <Trinity> of course tor was never reliable lol
Jan 16 02:48:48 <Trinity> hahaha
Jan 16 02:49:17 <g00s> this caught me eye a few days ago http://digitaltrusting.com/?p=10060
Jan 16 02:52:44 <Trinity> hmm
Jan 16 02:52:59 <Trinity> are reliable voice changers on the net?
Jan 16 02:55:12 <g00s> Trinity: see this ? http://gigaom.com/2013/01/10/nokia-yes-we-decrypt-your-https-data-but-dont-worry-about-it/
Jan 16 02:58:44 <Trinity> g00s: ehh, like hell they arnt
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:59 2013