**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 05 02:59:58 2013 Apr 05 03:01:16 so if i want to get to a public function in the HomeScreen class, how do i do it? Apr 05 03:01:20 HomeScreen.this.changeDaf("112"); dosn't work Apr 05 03:01:27 http://googleappsdeveloper.blogspot.com/2013/04/more-ways-for-apps-to-write-to-drive.html Apr 05 03:03:18 i need to get the instance of the homescreen Apr 05 03:03:55 jug6ernaut_: yeah, I've thought for a while that a simple key/value store on drive would be nice Apr 05 03:04:34 Leeds agreed, I've been waiting for this :) Apr 05 03:04:42 I dont like the failedAuthException in drive/android Apr 05 03:04:55 they say fire an activity to allow access Apr 05 03:05:47 but what if your doing that from a service, you need to build your own anctivity, then fire the drive auth activity from the exception, then catch that…..blaaaa Apr 05 03:06:12 and looks like drive access routinely asks your user to reauth your app ? Apr 05 03:10:00 still better than drop box though Apr 05 03:10:10 y would it need to reauth? Apr 05 03:10:33 cause there is no guarentee that the token you store will be valid at the request time Apr 05 03:10:58 maybe Apr 05 03:11:07 I've never had to reauth with any of the apps I've ever used Apr 05 03:11:15 oh really ? Apr 05 03:11:36 was something I read about drive api, just sounded normal that they MAY ask the user to reauth your app Apr 05 03:11:48 but still better than dropbox Apr 05 03:11:51 you tried that / Apr 05 03:11:53 ? Apr 05 03:12:43 not yet Apr 05 03:12:45 "here sure upload a file, but you will never have direct access to it again…ahahhaaaaa" Apr 05 03:12:57 lol Apr 05 03:13:35 "but why not send a sharing link with the file location embeded soo far down that your friends wont have direct access either!…ahahhaa" Apr 05 03:14:08 "oh and just to make sure you dont parse to get a direct link, we will change it randomly everytime! ahahhaaa" Apr 05 03:14:20 * StingRay_ loves dropbox Apr 05 03:18:08 sorted out my issue Apr 05 03:18:36 turned out i had support v4 and non support imports causing errors Apr 05 03:18:47 thats why i wanted to get rid of support v4 Apr 05 03:25:29 how can i use setOnDismissListener with a dialogFragment? Apr 05 03:27:36 ari_aaron: i made an activity and set the theme to android:Theme.Holo.Dialog Apr 05 03:28:01 then it pops up like a dialog Apr 05 03:30:08 and how do i get the results? Apr 05 03:32:29 like a normal activity onActivityResult() Apr 05 03:32:41 but thats only for my way i think Apr 05 03:35:54 ari_aaron: it shows it here, the set positive and negative buttons for dialogs http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html Apr 05 03:36:31 ari_aaron: i gave you the options already Apr 05 03:37:05 or some of the options Apr 05 03:37:55 and not a hard search term http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10905312/receive-result-from-dialogfragment Apr 05 04:03:16 Hey guys! New to droid development so sorry if this is obvious, but I've not been able to find anything helpful in several hours of searching. How do you use GridLayout with the support library in Eclipse? It just keeps erroring out: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15816283/eclipse-and-android-sl-gridlayout-not-working-together-android-support-v7-wid Apr 05 04:03:41 not droid Apr 05 04:03:45 android Apr 05 04:03:53 droid - moto product Apr 05 04:03:53 Sorry, my bad Apr 05 04:04:09 * jug6ernaut_ hates when ppl say they have a droid Apr 05 04:04:15 and when they say they have an android also Apr 05 04:04:26 even more when its a sgs3 Apr 05 04:04:32 * jug6ernaut_ has a lot of hate... Apr 05 04:04:40 :) Apr 05 04:05:10 Heh. No SGS3 here, just a cheap LG. But I've found the development process fascinating. Apr 05 04:05:21 which LG? Apr 05 04:05:33 computerfreaker: that looks like an eclipse error Apr 05 04:05:44 but not entirely sure Apr 05 04:05:45 * jug6ernaut_ avoids the gridlayout Apr 05 04:05:58 I'm off my head on industrial headache tablets Apr 05 04:06:05 do0ob: LGL35G Apr 05 04:06:30 Thanks StingRay_ . At least that would explain why nothing seems to fix it. Apr 05 04:06:46 * computerfreaker has gotten really, really sick of reinstalling Eclipse after hosing it on tests Apr 05 04:07:27 jug6ernaut_: What do you use instead? I need a 3x3 grid for something and GridLayout /seemed/ perfect Apr 05 04:08:02 computerfreaker i found a way not to use it, relitivelayouts linear ext, i could never get a grid layout to work as i wanted it to. Apr 05 04:08:02 but really, I've spent probably... 8-10h+ on this already, and I'm more than ready to consider anything else if it can hold controls in a grid. Apr 05 04:09:00 jug6ernaut_:Meh, might just go with a RelativeLayout then, now that you mention it that sounds like much less of a pita than this GridLayout lunacy. Apr 05 04:11:18 computerfreaker: i think you need to add it as a library project or something Apr 05 04:12:23 g00s: tried that. Tried literally everything I could think of: added the .jar to my project's libs file, added the gridlayout project as a library project and referenced it in my own project, went so far as to uninstall/reinstall the SDK because I didn't think it liked my install location. Apr 05 04:12:43 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15816283/eclipse-and-android-sl-gridlayout-not-working-together-android-support-v7-wid <--- everything I tried, I listed there Apr 05 04:13:01 All I managed to do was hose my Eclipse install multiple times. Apr 05 04:16:39 computerfreaker: this didn't work ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10278358/grid-layout-support-in-android-api-10 Apr 05 04:18:18 g00s: if I understand that correctly, MH/Janusz are saying the way to do it is import gridlayout as a library project and add it as a dependency of the main project? Did that multiple times, no luck Apr 05 04:18:34 The third-party implementation looks like an interesting alternative though Apr 05 04:19:11 so, you read android-sdk-macosx/extras/android/support/v7/gridlayout/README.txt ? Apr 05 04:21:18 i admit though - its too much bullshit for a beginner Apr 05 04:21:48 I'm on Win7, actually, but I read android-sdk/extras/android/support/v7/gridlayout/README.txt. Nothing helpful about getting the library into my project, just a reminder to use android.support.v7.widget.GridLayout instead of GridLayout in my XML Apr 05 04:22:37 And yeah, I'm still a beginner. This is my first real app. And I guess I'm in a bit over my head? Still eager to learn though, assuming it doesn't mean hosing /too/ many more Eclipse installs :P Apr 05 04:31:37 big nerd ranch publishes an android book … right before android 5 release. impeccable timing :) Apr 05 04:37:28 Meh. Tried to add the gridlayout library project to my main project (right-click->Properties->Android->Library->Add), seemed to be ok, came back to properties to double-check and now the library entry is showing a red X instead of the green check Apr 05 04:38:01 Maybe it /is/ an Eclipse bug. Can't imagine why else it would show the ok-status at first and the error-status on second look Apr 05 04:38:25 * computerfreaker will probably just use RelativeLayout and be content Apr 05 04:38:57 no - it wouldn't be eclipse. it should work Apr 05 04:41:24 Can Eclipse handle paths with spaces, then? I've got the SDK installed to C:\Program Files (x86) so the full path to the GridLayout is C:\Program Files (x86)\Android\android-sdk\extras\android\support\v7\gridlayout Apr 05 04:41:58 One thing I just noticed is that when Eclipse approves the library the path has forward-slashes, when it's erroring it's using backslashes in the path, might be related? Apr 05 04:43:20 well, having spaces in your paths is a good way to have a headache Apr 05 04:43:28 Program Files? Apr 05 04:44:26 Default SDK location when installing for all users. Apr 05 04:45:12 It started off in %APPDATA%\Android when I had the SDK install for just me, but that was one of the first things I targeted when this started. So I uninstalled/reinstalled, for all users this time Apr 05 04:45:56 If you think it would help, I could uninstall/reinstall again, maybe just C:\Android or D:\Android or whatever. Apr 05 04:47:04 i think it used to be an issue; not sure any more though Apr 05 04:47:58 I might as well do it then. If I'm going bughunting I might as well eliminate every point-of-failure I can find... Apr 05 04:49:30 And just to make sure I'm doing this right from within Eclipse: File->Import->Existing Android Code Into Workplace, set Root Directory to \extras\android\support\v7\, select the gridlayout project Apr 05 04:50:13 and then, in my main project, right-click->Properties->Android->add library->select the gridlayout project Apr 05 04:50:14 hmm, no ... Apr 05 04:50:55 ok. well, try that first. i haven't used this lib project in eclipse yet Apr 05 04:51:16 it has to be a simple problem Apr 05 04:51:43 That's what I've been trying all along, so I know something in there doesn't work. But I was hoping I was doing something obviously stupid, so you could thump me and I could fix it and be done with. :P Apr 05 04:51:52 Do I need to mess with the build path at all? Apr 05 04:52:05 *Java build path Apr 05 04:52:25 crap, you're going to make me fire up eclipse aren't you Apr 05 04:52:38 * g00s computer creeks and groans Apr 05 04:52:43 No need if you don't want to, I'd just drop back to RelativeLayout. But I'd be grateful if you're willing... Apr 05 04:52:44 Ok, I must be insane or something.. I changed my theme via manifest to Theme.Holo.Light. but my main activity is still for somereason themed as Holo.Light.Darkactionbar Apr 05 05:04:12 Can someone point me to the reference material that tells me how to include a fragment in another view? In this case I am starting in the standard sliding tab navigation that ADT creates for you. I have another XML layout I want to be the content of that. Apr 05 05:06:39 WACOMalt: something like this? http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html Apr 05 05:09:22 is anyone experienced with using glsl (openglES 2.0) with android? Specifically, does anyone have experience debugging code? Apr 05 05:09:30 shader code* Apr 05 05:10:10 perfect, thank you computerfreaker Apr 05 05:10:38 np WACOMalt Apr 05 05:15:02 * computerfreaker hopes he didn't kill g00s' Eclipse/computer Apr 05 05:15:14 this is a pain Apr 05 05:16:18 Sorry :/ Not working for you either? Or just a massive pita to set up correctly? Apr 05 05:17:20 its ghetto. hold on, still working on it Apr 05 05:17:47 Sure, thank you! Apr 05 05:19:54 If it's that bad, would you suggest I avoid it entirely? Or is this just one of those unpleasant things I just need to deal with the best I can? (you can answer whenever, I'm in no hurry and don't want to distract you too badly) Apr 05 05:21:01 no, GridLayout itself is fine; its the lame build system / tools / instructions / etc Apr 05 05:21:38 So once I get past the hurdle of getting it into the project, I'm good to go? Apr 05 05:22:29 yeah Apr 05 05:22:37 I know its a long shot but, for some reason when I call "setCurrentItem(index,smoothScrollBoolean)" as Apr 05 05:22:41 setCurrentItem(x,true); My viewpager doesn't do the animation to get to the item..it just appears there immediately. I've tried a lot of things but for some reason it won't work. Does anyone have an idea what could be causing this? Apr 05 05:26:21 Hmmm... I am looking for a way to align a list of numbers on their decimal points horizontally. Any ideas? Apr 05 05:26:40 ex: 12.00032 1.987 7293.02 Apr 05 05:26:57 er, I mean vertical list, aligned horizontally Apr 05 05:27:29 so numbers with greater decimal points going in descending order? Apr 05 05:27:33 I know how to do it in Css+javascript :P but that doesnt help me much here. Apr 05 05:28:03 no, I mean I need each list item shifted left or right so that going down the list, all the decimal points line up Apr 05 05:28:04 WACOMalt: https://developer.android.com/reference/java/text/NumberFormat.html might be helpful at a glance, I'll keep reading it with you Apr 05 05:28:12 WACOMalt, Can we assume a fixed-width font? Apr 05 05:28:13 thanks Apr 05 05:28:55 WACOMalt: looks like the link I posted will work for proportional or fixed-width fonts, should do what you need Apr 05 05:29:14 Yes this certainly looks like it'll do the trick. Thanks yet again! Apr 05 05:29:51 Np ^_^ Apr 05 05:30:24 computerfreaker: i give up Apr 05 05:31:03 g00s: that bad? :/ Thanks for spending so much time helping me, though! Apr 05 05:31:34 i've been losing my patience with android for some time now ;) Apr 05 05:31:39 * computerfreaker mentally marks GridLayout as anathema and decides to use RelativeLayout instead Apr 05 05:31:59 its more of a setup issue in eclipse Apr 05 05:32:05 * StingRay_ is sick of android tooo!! Apr 05 05:32:15 lets all make a song about it Apr 05 05:32:35 Which is why most of the people I found who got it working were using IntelliJ? Because this is Eclipse being stupid, not Android so much? Apr 05 05:32:44 probably Apr 05 05:32:50 yeah, try intellij Apr 05 05:33:31 Although actually, I'm going to hold Android partially accountable too for the terrible lack of docs on this. I've been all over SO today but almost nothing on any official Android resource, from what I can tell. At least, until I got to here. Apr 05 05:34:24 i'll keep trying in my spare time Apr 05 05:34:24 Meh, not familiar with IntelliJ beyond its name, which is why I'm in Eclipse - I know slightly more about it. It's probably not worth the fuss... unless Eclipse breaks more stuff on me. Apr 05 05:34:59 Thanks, I appreciate it! Apr 05 05:35:09 The price is right with Eclipse. Apr 05 05:35:50 what's the Eclipse/GridLayout problem? Apr 05 05:36:19 kevinb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15816283/eclipse-and-android-sl-gridlayout-not-working-together-android-support-v7-wid Apr 05 05:36:28 if you think android's lack of docs for gridlayouts, you should see these viewpagers ive been working on for a month and a half :p ive created a lot on my own and have learned a lot but it took patience Apr 05 05:36:47 The tl;dr version is that, no matter what I do, I can't get GridLayout to instantiate in Eclipse. All I can do is hose my Eclipse install over and over again. Apr 05 05:37:07 MajorZero: a month and a half? Daaaaang, you've got some serious patience Apr 05 05:37:51 computerfreaker: you might try just doing the XML by hand. it's not that bad and the eclipse editor isn't that great Apr 05 05:38:19 * monsti is very great! Apr 05 05:38:52 i've used GridLayout with Eclipse, but rarely use the wysiwyg editor Apr 05 05:39:01 kevinb: I did try manually editing the layout xml, but even with the correct namespace set for the GridLayout Eclipse threw up on me. Didn't matter if I dragged-and-dropped the layout or edited it into the XML by hand, Eclipse didn't like it at all. Apr 05 05:39:26 well there is eclipse Apr 05 05:39:29 and lint Apr 05 05:39:47 and google in their great wisdom decided to over lint us! Apr 05 05:40:09 computerfreak: i take this as a learning experience :p ive helped a lot of people who wanted to implement something similar to what I'm doing. Its payed off though. Im going to be releasing something big soon :) Apr 05 05:41:26 kevinb: are you supposed to put the gridlayout-jar in the top level project libs/ ? Apr 05 05:41:33 no Apr 05 05:41:37 you need to import the lib project Apr 05 05:41:45 yeah, ok - thats what i am trying Apr 05 05:41:52 found bad intellij instructions :D Apr 05 05:43:24 * computerfreaker doesn't appreciate random dcs Apr 05 05:43:30 MajorZero: best of luck with your release! Apr 05 05:44:13 MajorZero: what you releasing ? Apr 05 05:44:18 rage ? Apr 05 05:47:39 computerfreaker: are you using linux? Apr 05 05:48:03 computerfreaker: ok, well got it working … Apr 05 05:48:25 first, did you say you were using java 7 ? Apr 05 05:48:32 StingRay_: a social networking application Apr 05 05:48:50 MajorZero Home ! Apr 05 05:48:58 oh god Apr 05 05:49:07 ive coded the entire backend, front end, everything from scratch. Its been such an incredibly journey Apr 05 05:49:22 preview ? Apr 05 05:49:28 do0ob: Win7 Apr 05 05:49:35 g00s: Yep, Java 7 update 17 iirc Apr 05 05:49:53 computerfreaker: well, use Java 6 JDK for one. Apr 05 05:50:08 ...now /that/ is something I never expected to hear. Apr 05 05:50:14 Does Java 7 break stuff? Apr 05 05:50:15 Ill have a preview this coming week. A beta test Im going to be launching at my school. Im almost done finalizing a deal with a hosting company for a dedicated server. Im so nervous but the investors ive spoken to in the area are excited. Apr 05 05:50:19 i use java 7 Apr 05 05:50:35 canadiancow: you do? the sdk requirements still say 6 Apr 05 05:50:44 6 will work Apr 05 05:50:52 i'm on 6 too Apr 05 05:50:52 afaik 7 just gives you new syntax that compiles to the same bytecode Apr 05 05:51:20 anyway i am le tired Apr 05 05:51:24 gnight Apr 05 05:51:26 i had problems with 7, oh well Apr 05 05:51:28 gnight canadiancow Apr 05 05:51:30 MajorZero: well I hope you can take even a fraction of 1% away from facebook, not a fan of facebook me Apr 05 05:51:32 Bye canadiancow! Apr 05 05:51:50 computerfreaker: linux + java 6 seems to be the solution Apr 05 05:52:35 do0ob: so my Win7 box won't be able to do this at all? I'm going to need to set up a Linux partition just for this? Apr 05 05:53:24 StingRay_ , We'll see :p i can tell you its going to be a first of its kind thing with two phases. First one being released soon, the other this summer. I have you guys to thank though for helping me when I was just starting up :-) Apr 05 05:54:09 the thought of using cygwin makes my skin crawl Apr 05 05:54:59 MajorZero: first in what way ? Apr 05 05:55:15 do0ob: I'm thinking more a bootable Linux partition and switching back and forth :/ Not overly excited about that, since 100% of my devwork up to this point has been on Windows. Apr 05 05:55:24 If that's what it takes to get this going I'll probably pass. Apr 05 05:55:50 I have that setup computerfreaker on my laptop Apr 05 05:55:57 and havn't booted into win7 since I got it Apr 05 05:56:50 computerfreaker: you can use windows just fine but the toolchain is native to linux so i never expect it to be perfect in windows Apr 05 05:57:32 xastey`: how was the transition from Win7 to Linux for you/were you familiar with Linux before making the switch? I've got a fairly solid Windows background but little Linux experience so I'm not sure how I'd do making the switch Apr 05 05:57:46 do0ob: got it, makes sense. Few ports of anything are 100% perfect... Apr 05 05:58:18 computerfreaker : yeah I've been using linux for years.. not as a desktop though .. I ended up installing lubuntu on my thinkpad 530 I recently got Apr 05 05:58:25 and its lovely Apr 05 05:58:43 I still have my main desktop as windows.. but its nice not going through hops to install software Apr 05 05:59:02 plus the setup was shorter then when I have to do a fresh install of windows Apr 05 05:59:42 StingRay_ as silly as it sounds, its going to be a social network that even people who dont like social networks, will like. Basically its going to provide you an incentive for just using it, and to obtain its benefits requires little to no input from the user. I cant divulge much about the main premise that its going to be relying on but the first goal is to gather users through a simple social network that focuses on a particular area (th Apr 05 05:59:44 ink how instagram just uses photos for people but this isn't like instagram, its doing something else) and then once i have those users, part two in the summer implements the portion where every1 can receive benefits from it. Apr 05 06:00:51 MajorZero: sounds interesting, I'm not a fan of FB or Twitter (privacy concerns, *especially* about FB) but your first line has me interested. Apr 05 06:01:19 xastey`: interesting idea, I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks! Apr 05 06:01:57 MajorZero: well I dont think I will hit your demographic Apr 05 06:02:14 dont like anything that plans to make money off me :) Apr 05 06:02:14 the idea behind it is also that these two parts, albeit independent from eachother, will stimulate eachother. (ideally) users will want to use the social network for 2 reasons.either to reap the benefits from i mentioned earlier, for the mere social aspect of it. I really cant say much more now but expect it soon :) Apr 05 06:02:57 oh, actually its more like the other way around :p the whole point of this plan is to actually stimulate 2 markets :) Apr 05 06:03:24 well if it didnt make money from my actions or info Apr 05 06:03:32 you would not do it nor have investors Apr 05 06:03:36 :) Apr 05 06:04:10 and the word social rings alarms for me Apr 05 06:04:42 social in this day and age means an average of self centered slightly dumb mass of living waste Apr 05 06:04:44 :) Apr 05 06:04:56 god I love these headache tablets Apr 05 06:05:59 ^thats true. Social now adays is all about that. I can tell you its not going to be a zynga, or an instagram that aims to try to market peoples photos to companies. Its more for getting information out there. And that too can sound bad because no one likes advertisements but like i said, I cant give out the whole thing :p Apr 05 06:07:56 but in the end, to each his own Apr 05 06:08:15 does anyone know if you can enable GPU overdraw via a command on the device? (i.e., over adb) Apr 05 06:10:17 over adb, not programatically within your app? Apr 05 06:11:27 JakeWharton: doubt you can Apr 05 06:11:38 maybe poss on rooted device Apr 05 06:11:54 on a rooted device i can do anything, obviously Apr 05 06:12:25 MajorZero: correct, over adb shell, presumably as a command run on the device Apr 05 06:13:27 JakeWharton: do you mind the ui going through it's stuff ? Apr 05 06:13:34 yes Apr 05 06:13:34 cause you could fire settings intent etc Apr 05 06:13:36 oh Apr 05 06:14:05 Can i create an entire object that runs its stuff off the UI thread? Apr 05 06:14:19 JakeWharton: at least in the past, the settings provider would watch the settings.db for changes and reload the settings from the db, so you could use sqlite (with root) to change the value Apr 05 06:14:22 so that all its methods are run off the UI thread Apr 05 06:14:51 do0ob: thats default behaviour Apr 05 06:15:13 oh off ? as in not on ? Apr 05 06:15:23 away from the UI thread Apr 05 06:15:33 yeah sorry, I think I'm pilled up Apr 05 06:15:38 do0ob: manage a thread yourself Apr 05 06:16:04 kevinb: thanks, but that's not good enough for the case I'm thinking of. just won't be supported I guess. Apr 05 06:16:23 Just guessing here, but you could possibly encapsulate your own thread and process stuff there when your object's methods are called. Apr 05 06:16:58 so i wouldn't have to put it all in run()? Apr 05 06:17:22 JakeWharton: because of not having root or something else? sqlite3 can do it all from one shell command. (I'm assuming you're using this for some kind of automated testing) Apr 05 06:18:00 do0ob: hang on a sec... I'm fairly sure I saw one of the Android example projects do something like what you're describing (or, technically, a decent workaround to provide what you want) Apr 05 06:18:17 that would be helpful Apr 05 06:18:29 kevinb: yes, I want to programmatically enable it as an option for any device it's supported on. but i think it's best for now just to recommend you hook up a device that already has it enabled Apr 05 06:19:39 I think i'm getting confused with C++ where i created an object and moved it to a thread, java doesn't do that does it? Apr 05 06:20:30 do0ob: In the LunarView example project, the LunarView class should have roughly what you're looking for. run() is basically an infinite while loop that keeps polling various private variables. The LunarView's methods change those variables as needed and run() acts off that. Synchronized blocks keep the whole thing from exploding in race conditions. Apr 05 06:21:09 i'd want to avoid polling, that sounds horrible Apr 05 06:21:53 Not sure there's another way. I'm still not that experienced though (working on my first app) so that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Apr 05 06:22:11 i'm also working on my first app Apr 05 06:23:46 Meh. The polling really doesn't look great, I don't see any place where they yield processing time to another thread. But I'm not sure there's another way... Apr 05 06:24:17 Or maybe you could do multiple threads, one for each method, unless race conditions could become a problem (idk exactly what you're looking to do, if all threads are working on one thing it could be a problem) Apr 05 06:25:42 just pushing database inserts and updates into its own thread Apr 05 06:25:46 so computerfreaker , the eclipse GridLayout thing worked Apr 05 06:26:18 of course it was going to, but the hassle was more about the library project Apr 05 06:26:44 do0ob: maybe just do a separate thread for each method then? As long as you get a lock on the DB I don't think a race condition would be a problem, just need to make sure you don't get too many threads running at once Apr 05 06:27:00 g00s: how on earth did you get it working? Apr 05 06:28:39 well, i mostly just followed the directions … for example, i just copied and pasted the xml from that README - that eliminates any issues you would have with the namespaces Apr 05 06:29:06 the only thing i had to do in eclipse, is create a library project from the sources of the GridView, and then take the top level project and hook it up Apr 05 06:29:39 right-click->Properties->Android->add library->select the gridlayout project? Apr 05 06:29:45 yeah Apr 05 06:30:10 oh wait, its in Apr 05 06:30:32 right click -> Project -> Android -> Library -> Add Apr 05 06:31:04 weird, that it didn't matter if i had 'is a library checked or not Apr 05 06:31:48 That /is/ odd Apr 05 06:31:50 brb trying this Apr 05 06:33:05 When you created a library project from the GridLayout source, did you just File->Import->Existing Android Code Into Workplace, set Root Directory to \extras\android\support\v7\, and select the gridlayout project? Apr 05 06:33:17 so i'm running a few ads on adwords. is there any way for me to determine which ad caused an install? (versus ads that go to market and people leave) Apr 05 06:34:04 xorgate: what app is it? Apr 05 06:34:28 kevinb: FYI, https://twitter.com/romainguy/status/320061590575648768 Apr 05 06:34:56 JakeWharton: awesome, good to know Apr 05 06:36:11 I am trying to learn listview setups. Just passing content from a string array. I am getting an exception on run, here is my stacktrace: http://pastie.org/pastes/7323989/text here is my main activity: http://pastie.org/7324015 and here is my fragment XML with the listview in it: http://pastie.org/7324017 Please can anyone help me track down the exception? Apr 05 06:37:09 oh, also relevant, here is simplerow.xml from layouts: http://pastie.org/7324019 Apr 05 06:38:34 bitcoin app :) Apr 05 06:39:36 indeed :) Apr 05 06:39:56 your stacktrace does not look like a stacktrace Apr 05 06:39:57 well, if the layout winds up being good, it may get taken over by the main dev of armory for PC. Apr 05 06:40:08 I'm far from good enough to do the actual workings. Apr 05 06:41:02 beginning to think maybe most of the listview stuff should be in the fragment class rather than the main class? Apr 05 06:41:17 xorgate: you should probably change the icon, the current one is pretty dated Apr 05 06:41:44 it would have fit right in on windows 95 Apr 05 06:41:57 do0ob what would you suggest Apr 05 06:42:25 some color Apr 05 06:43:30 but you can go hire a designer if you really want a quality icon and header for the play store Apr 05 06:43:58 also why is there a mix of ICS like screenshots and gingerbread ones? Apr 05 06:44:01 mikedg has the best icons Apr 05 06:44:10 yeh starting to think my designer is more 'capable with photoshop' than 'designer' Apr 05 06:44:37 g00s: When you created a library project from the GridLayout source, did you just File->Import->Existing Android Code Into Workplace, set Root Directory to \extras\android\support\v7\, and select the gridlayout project? Apr 05 06:44:38 so, can anyone tell me wtf is going on with my listview? Apr 05 06:44:42 do0ob cause i have jelly tablet and g00s example? Apr 05 06:45:19 xorgate: so hide the header, style the spinners, make it look up market Apr 05 06:45:37 computerfreaker: yeah, i'm pretty sure ... Apr 05 06:45:59 the adt sees the properties file / manifest and knows its a library project Apr 05 06:46:17 Leeds: you're back ! Apr 05 06:47:26 xorgate: they are terrible :D https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blau.android.gmoney Apr 05 06:47:46 g00s ah ok :0 Apr 05 06:48:06 g00s: now I'm a step closer :D "Exception raised during rendering: com.android.layoutlib.bridge.MockView cannot be cast to android.view.ViewGroup" Apr 05 06:48:19 computerfreaker: wth Apr 05 06:48:44 g00s: Dunno. But it's a step in the right direction, because it's /not/ the same error I've been staring at for the last two days. Apr 05 06:48:49 do0ob hm i should just use emu for shots then i guess Apr 05 06:49:51 that would be better Apr 05 06:50:01 can't you update your phone to ICS? Apr 05 06:50:17 g00s: actually, no, a step in the wrong direction. "The following classes could not be found: - android.support.v7.widget.GridLayout" Apr 05 06:50:53 AHH. Maybe.... Apr 05 06:51:46 In right-click->Properties->Android->Library, the reference to the support library's GridLayout project errored itself out again. I really do wonder if it's a path problem at this point... Apr 05 06:51:47 xorgate: you could go to digitalpoint and start a contest to create an icon and market header for your app, lots of creative people there, but don't be cheap with the price Apr 05 06:52:11 xorgate: whats the icon for ? Apr 05 06:52:31 as in contexual and functional description ? Apr 05 06:52:35 StingRay_ i privated it to do0ob but here it is anyway https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codestare.wordsearch Apr 05 06:53:04 yeah it needs some loving Apr 05 06:53:11 :) Apr 05 06:53:26 i thought the wiki W was pretty clever though Apr 05 06:53:31 my idea OF COURSE Apr 05 06:53:32 spending money on adverts without polishing up the presentation is madness Apr 05 06:53:43 also if your gonna boost a screenshot that big, make sure it stands up to being that big :) Apr 05 06:54:04 StingRay_ what do you mean? Apr 05 06:54:14 the screenshot looks enlarged Apr 05 06:54:24 i mean, in context your word screen looks ok in the app Apr 05 06:54:36 blown to that size in a design sense it looks bland Apr 05 06:55:08 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.melimots.WordSearch this is the current 'top' app btw.. awesome icon i think Apr 05 06:55:40 holy crap thats horrid Apr 05 06:56:04 well you should see the others ;) Apr 05 06:56:19 xorgate: I would rethink your in app drawables a bit and get a nice logo and your away Apr 05 06:56:31 thats what i said Apr 05 06:56:44 my in app drawables.. Apr 05 06:56:49 there's not many Apr 05 06:57:07 i know Apr 05 06:57:10 :) Apr 05 06:57:19 but what do you mean? Apr 05 06:57:36 i mean add a bit of "love" to the "design" Apr 05 06:57:51 well i'm a programmer i dont know what 'love' is Apr 05 06:58:23 love = look and feel additions Apr 05 06:58:26 i know when x > y is though Apr 05 06:59:32 opening your app now Apr 05 06:59:45 you're lucky Apr 05 06:59:49 the listview Apr 05 07:00:01 type and alignments are not nice Apr 05 07:00:09 i'm was a designer before i became a developer and it drives me insane how different my app looks on amoled vs lcd Apr 05 07:00:11 also the pallet is odd Apr 05 07:00:58 what I would do here is add more space / padding and smaller type, so the item stays same size but font is smaller Apr 05 07:01:20 StingRay_ 'odd' ? Apr 05 07:01:26 g00s: since the project reference is erroring out again, I think I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling the SDK one more time, to a path without spaces, and see what happens. Got a decently good feeling about it. Apr 05 07:01:36 Thanks for all of your help, I appreciate it. No way I'd be this close without that. :) Apr 05 07:02:06 xorgate: well there are such things as organized and relational pallets Apr 05 07:02:09 as in color Apr 05 07:02:38 StingRay_ ah like https://kuler.adobe.com/# Apr 05 07:02:45 exactly! Apr 05 07:02:54 in this case you want complimentary Apr 05 07:03:21 or monochromatic Apr 05 07:03:50 but the point is you still need chroma/luma (tones/levels) etc Apr 05 07:03:57 to match too Apr 05 07:04:11 in a complementary pallet it dont do that for you Apr 05 07:04:11 so you're saying i need a new designer :) Apr 05 07:04:26 no thats too simple Apr 05 07:04:34 hit him with a baseball bat first Apr 05 07:04:43 ouch Apr 05 07:04:53 cause that pizza loading thing is horrid Apr 05 07:04:59 or whatever it supposed to be Apr 05 07:05:13 looks like a bit of doritoes in mono Apr 05 07:05:16 haha Apr 05 07:05:29 well i can't say i disagree Apr 05 07:05:37 StingRay_: those are some fairly impressive meds, I take it? :P A baseball bat is quite the punishment, terrible palette or no... Apr 05 07:05:39 but it's all still a lot better than what I would come up with Apr 05 07:05:51 If I spawn Threads in a Service and create a Handler in that Service, do I need to spawn a new Looper or will the Service have it from its UI Context? Apr 05 07:06:01 * StingRay_ is a vfx/designer/3d artist of 17 years dont forget Apr 05 07:06:05 a friend suggested the game should be more 'playful' with (imo) kiddy style Apr 05 07:06:13 so on this subject I can speak with authority Apr 05 07:06:18 unlike android dev Apr 05 07:06:40 xorgate: thats a demographic choice Apr 05 07:06:50 that would drive design yes Apr 05 07:06:57 but not something a designer chooses Apr 05 07:07:39 hm hm interesting points Apr 05 07:07:45 cause we each choose what we want, and you want to choose the one that gives you the most audience Apr 05 07:07:52 given the type of game Apr 05 07:08:00 kiddy is maybe not something I would go for Apr 05 07:08:02 :) Apr 05 07:08:13 personally i prefer the minimalist style Apr 05 07:08:24 sure, I agree Apr 05 07:08:41 but minimalist != not a lot of design Apr 05 07:09:09 anyone? Loopers in a Service? Apr 05 07:09:27 StingRay_ definitely agree on that Apr 05 07:09:50 but my thoughtprocess also goes like 'fewer things = fewer things to fuck up' Apr 05 07:10:13 xorgate: and my 15 years in console game dev say you should have the words at the top in portrait, or at least have the option in prefs Apr 05 07:10:47 right you said that the other day right? Apr 05 07:10:48 someone did Apr 05 07:10:52 ya me Apr 05 07:11:06 add some more padding round the selector thingy Apr 05 07:11:21 clipping letters or leaving 1 pixel space is not a great look Apr 05 07:11:47 clipping letters? Apr 05 07:11:55 you know the selector Apr 05 07:12:02 when you drag Apr 05 07:12:31 it's width hits the boundaries of the letters Apr 05 07:12:43 ah ok i see Apr 05 07:12:46 really you need some space Apr 05 07:12:51 4+ pixels Apr 05 07:13:34 where the words are, you want the distance from the top word to the top edge the same as between words (vert) Apr 05 07:14:01 that too makes sense Apr 05 07:14:06 these are just opinions btw Apr 05 07:14:16 and i appreciate them Apr 05 07:14:19 I dont mean to seem condescending or anything ! Apr 05 07:14:27 I'm high as a kite Apr 05 07:14:29 kyte Apr 05 07:14:33 kite Apr 05 07:14:33 haha Apr 05 07:14:37 hmm Apr 05 07:14:41 good on ya Apr 05 07:15:36