**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 07 02:59:58 2013
Apr 07 03:00:03 <clever> hesperaux: yeah, once the run function returns, its dead
Apr 07 03:00:20 <clever> hesperaux: Looper.loop(); will wait for events to come in and process them, forever (until quit is called)
Apr 07 03:00:29 <hesperaux> clever, but i'm instantiating a thread object...not passing in a runnable
Apr 07 03:00:37 <hesperaux> wouldn't the thread object exist until i nullify it?
Apr 07 03:00:40 <kaneda^> g00s, lol, if would have kaneda still if i hadnt gone inactive for so long
Apr 07 03:01:03 <clever> hesperaux: yeah, but the thread itself starts, calls run on the instance, then the thread itself is shutdown
Apr 07 03:01:12 <clever> leaving a threadless instance of Thread
Apr 07 03:01:18 <hesperaux> interesting
Apr 07 03:01:23 <xximjasonxx> gah
Apr 07 03:01:26 <xximjasonxx> found it
Apr 07 03:01:29 <hesperaux> so run is all that is ever executed, basically
Apr 07 03:01:32 <hesperaux> that explains a lot
Apr 07 03:01:35 <clever> yep
Apr 07 03:01:42 * hesperaux claps
Apr 07 03:01:47 <clever> having a Looper and Handler allow you to post many Runnables to it
Apr 07 03:01:53 <clever> and they get ran one by one
Apr 07 03:02:11 <hesperaux> it's becoming clearer to me now :)
Apr 07 03:02:39 <clever> in my app, i wrote the Thread end to be cross-platform, android + windows + mac + linux
Apr 07 03:02:44 <clever> so i cant use android.os.Looper :(
Apr 07 03:02:51 <clever> wrote my own clone of it
Apr 07 03:03:13 <hesperaux> hmm, i see
Apr 07 03:03:37 <clever> i wrote the entire lib in pure (android-free) java, then i include that lib into the android app
Apr 07 03:03:37 <hesperaux> theoretical question: if i create a thread and put while(1); in it, does it bog down the cpu, or just keep alive?
Apr 07 03:03:43 <clever> so the android app is just UI
Apr 07 03:03:49 <clever> it will eat 100% cpu
Apr 07 03:03:59 <hesperaux> how does the looper class avoid that problem?
Apr 07 03:04:03 <clever> and you can wave goodbye to your battery life
Apr 07 03:04:45 <xximjasonxx> well i got that working
Apr 07 03:05:01 <xximjasonxx> not quite as clean as I hoping for, but doable
Apr 07 03:05:03 <clever> hesperaux: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/java/android/os/Looper.java#L124
Apr 07 03:05:07 <hesperaux> looks like it uses some kind of "sync barrier" thing
Apr 07 03:05:19 <hesperaux> i.e. a refresh rate of some kind?
Apr 07 03:05:26 <clever> hesperaux: when any function blocks (like queue.next), it will simply stop the thread and wait for something
Apr 07 03:05:36 <clever> hesperaux: can i see your code?
Apr 07 03:05:59 <hesperaux> i've just never understood how a thread could block indefinitely and also know when something else happens...without a processor interrupt
Apr 07 03:06:24 <clever> hesperaux: thats where it helps to know about how scheduling works in linux
Apr 07 03:06:25 <hesperaux> clever, yeah, sure. You want to see my Thread class?
Apr 07 03:06:40 <clever> hesperaux: you have 2 things that can trigger a 'context switch', and yes
Apr 07 03:07:03 <clever> hesperaux: a: pre-emption, a timer has run out (this program is eating too much cpu!)
Apr 07 03:07:10 <clever> and b: when you give up the processor (your waiting for something)
Apr 07 03:07:36 <clever> in the case of b, you set a flag on the process to say its not runnable, and then the kernel simply stops returning to the process
Apr 07 03:07:43 <clever> it effectively locks up, and never gets the cpu
Apr 07 03:07:58 <kevinb> hesperaux: i do really recommend reading Java Concurrency In Practice. I'm not trying to shut you up or anything, definitely keep asking questions and clever is giving good information. But I personally avoiding reading that book for much longer than I should have and everything was much clearer after I read it. Even the free sample on Kindle is helpful to get started.
Apr 07 03:08:03 <clever> what wakes it up, depends on what made it stop
Apr 07 03:08:28 <hesperaux> interesting
Apr 07 03:08:38 <hesperaux> kevinb, hmm...well the thing is, I don't know if i want to spend the money on that book right now
Apr 07 03:08:43 <hesperaux> <--- poor college student
Apr 07 03:08:48 <clever> if you tried to read from a serial port, then the irq from the serial port will set the state as runnable
Apr 07 03:09:03 <clever> in this case, your waiting for an event from another thread, so when you add an event, that does it
Apr 07 03:09:13 <kevinb> hesperaux: just read the free sample from Amazon Kindle then :P
Apr 07 03:09:28 <clever> kevinb: i should too, i'm still new to java
Apr 07 03:09:38 <clever> though ive learned the ins&outs of everything from kernel dev to c++!
Apr 07 03:10:03 <hesperaux> i'm a perl/c programmer
Apr 07 03:10:15 <clever> hesperaux: you know pthread?
Apr 07 03:10:16 <hesperaux> and i do embedded C, which has no fancy scheduling and stuff ;)
Apr 07 03:10:37 <hesperaux> nope, i've never used C on non-embedded platforms
Apr 07 03:10:40 <clever> yeah, embeded c doesnt even have processes, much simpler
Apr 07 03:10:48 <clever> but you can add it once you know the basics
Apr 07 03:10:54 <hesperaux> simpler and also more annoying lol
Apr 07 03:11:03 <clever> basicaly, all you do is change the address of the stack pointer
Apr 07 03:11:22 <hesperaux> oh, that would make sense
Apr 07 03:11:25 <clever> so if the schedule() function finds another process, changes the stack pointer, and returns
Apr 07 03:11:36 <clever> it will wind up going to whatever called schedule in that thread
Apr 07 03:11:45 <clever> when the pointer was saved and everything was frozen
Apr 07 03:12:35 <kevinb> part of why threads are so important on Android is because the user interface is single threaded. If you had a command line program and were doing a write to the filesystem that might take 500ms, no one cares that your command line interface stalls for that long. But if you do that on the UI thread in android you can't respond to touch events or make progress in an animation
Apr 07 03:13:10 <clever> pretty much every gui lib ive seen forces you to make the calls from the main thread
Apr 07 03:13:19 <clever> its not just android
Apr 07 03:13:37 <kevinb> yeah, i guess there was some work on one of the java UIs to be multithreaded but it got too complex and didn't work out that well
Apr 07 03:14:10 <clever> ive done some messy work with QT, and found out, it doesnt force you to call things from the 'main' thread
Apr 07 03:14:23 <clever> it forces you to do it from the SAME thread that the central QApplication was made in
Apr 07 03:14:42 <clever> (i was trying to inject gui code into an app, thru a dll, and couldnt block main, and the qt event loop blocks)
Apr 07 03:15:03 <clever> but things just didnt work out, cant jam 2 gui libs into the same app!
Apr 07 03:15:14 <kevinb> haha
Apr 07 03:15:25 <clever> the host app was closed source
Apr 07 03:15:29 <clever> no idea what lib it even used :P
Apr 07 03:16:20 <hesperaux> lol
Apr 07 03:16:30 <hesperaux> someday i'll learn GTK+
Apr 07 03:17:09 <clever> hesperaux: hmmm, let me dig deeper into looper!
Apr 07 03:17:23 <hesperaux> oops, i forgot to send you my thread
Apr 07 03:17:27 <hesperaux> i had it copied to clipboard this whole time
Apr 07 03:17:52 <hesperaux> http://pastebin.com/psHmrKrJ
Apr 07 03:18:20 <hesperaux> Thanks to your explanations, I have messaging working now at least. Haven't really done UI->Thread, but Thread->UI works fine
Apr 07 03:19:07 <clever> hesperaux: first problem
Apr 07 03:19:17 <clever> hesperaux: everything will basicaly halt at line 112, Looper.loop()
Apr 07 03:19:24 <clever> so it never connects to bluetooth
Apr 07 03:19:56 <clever> Looper.loop wont finish until you tell the thread to start shutting down
Apr 07 03:20:08 <clever> and you dont need super.run on line 132
Apr 07 03:20:52 <clever> and why are you making a second thread on line 118?
Apr 07 03:21:08 <hesperaux> that one connects to the device
Apr 07 03:21:29 <clever> you should be able to do that in the datathread
Apr 07 03:21:49 <hesperaux> okay
Apr 07 03:25:33 <clever> hesperaux: http://pastebin.com/aCs57ANq
Apr 07 03:26:03 <clever> hesperaux: this shows the path all the way from Looper.loop() in java, to Looper::pollOnce in c++
Apr 07 03:26:08 <clever> which leads over into the kernel, via epoll
Apr 07 03:27:25 <clever> and the rabbit hole doesnt stop here!
Apr 07 03:27:33 <hesperaux> hehe
Apr 07 03:27:45 <clever> hesperaux: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/fs/eventpoll.c
Apr 07 03:28:03 <clever> hesperaux: line 1857!
Apr 07 03:28:38 <clever> hesperaux: and then line 1494
Apr 07 03:28:47 <hesperaux> ah Linus, you crazy person
Apr 07 03:29:16 <clever> hesperaux: and at line 1537, it sets the state to interuptable, which means the kernel wont schedule it anymore
Apr 07 03:29:33 <clever> as soon as it looses cpu, it will 'never' get it back (enless something changes the state from the outside)
Apr 07 03:30:15 <clever> and line 1546 does the actual schedule call
Apr 07 03:30:29 <clever> with some kind of timer built in, havent seen that before
Apr 07 03:30:52 <clever> so most threads in android should be stuck at line 1546 of this file, waiting for something to wake it up
Apr 07 03:31:47 <hesperaux> pretty deep stuff
Apr 07 03:32:03 <clever> hesperaux: and for wakeup, we go back to Looper.cpp, all it does it write a 'W' to a file handle
Apr 07 03:32:08 <hesperaux> i think this is why i switch to electrical engineering :D
Apr 07 03:32:13 <clever> epoll is designed to let you know when you have data waiting on any file handle you give it
Apr 07 03:32:42 <clever> i love tearing stuff appart like this, to see how it works
Apr 07 03:32:47 <jug6ernaut> anyone know who to write a Gson deserializer to initialize an object based on its parent?
Apr 07 03:33:39 <jug6ernaut> bla nm
Apr 07 03:34:43 <hesperaux> clever, are you a software engineer?
Apr 07 03:35:16 <clever> hesperaux: i'm a highschool dropout with only a grade 10 :P
Apr 07 03:35:25 <hesperaux> nice
Apr 07 03:37:51 <clever> hesperaux: most of what i know about the kernel is from reading linux device drivers 3
Apr 07 03:38:04 <hesperaux> ah, well done
Apr 07 03:38:15 <clever> after that, you know the basics of how everything works, and can navigate the source with ease
Apr 07 03:38:25 <hesperaux> personally, i despise reading books - i learn very poorly from them. I need to be able to ask questions
Apr 07 03:38:49 <g00s> heh, i love books
Apr 07 03:38:50 <clever> when the book gives code examples, i dont even run them on the pc
Apr 07 03:38:50 <hesperaux> most of my college life has involved not reading the textbook at all
Apr 07 03:38:56 * g00s begins reading Lightroom book
Apr 07 03:39:03 <clever> i run the code examples on my brain! :P
Apr 07 03:39:56 <kevinb> i read everything (though a lot more online than actual books), but am bad at asking questions so I just read other people's questions instead ;)
Apr 07 03:41:55 <andrewcarter> g00s: what http client(s) did you recommend again?
Apr 07 03:45:09 <g00s> most people use httpurlconnection i think
Apr 07 03:45:20 <andrewcarter> ok thianks
Apr 07 03:47:52 <hesperaux> clever, if i create public methods in a Thread, can I execute them with the class object, or are they unreachable?
Apr 07 03:51:04 <doutdes> If I want a task to run only once, for instance, download a JSON from a server, what should I use ?
Apr 07 03:53:09 <hesperaux> doutdes, probably ASyncTask by the sound of it
Apr 07 03:53:47 <clever> hesperaux: i would do both public and private versions of everything
Apr 07 03:53:52 <clever> hesperaux: let me pastebin an example
Apr 07 03:54:01 <g00s> doutdes: IntentService would work nicely
Apr 07 03:54:31 <doutdes> I didn't explain well, I'm sorry, I want my program to download something every x minutes, I will setup an alarm to call a..
Apr 07 03:54:39 <doutdes> Oh, will check that out g00s, thanks
Apr 07 03:54:55 <clever> hesperaux: http://pastebin.com/2xdhz6Ep
Apr 07 03:55:00 <g00s> doutdes: well, then you'll use alarmmanager + broadcast receiver + intentservice
Apr 07 03:55:13 <doutdes> exactly!
Apr 07 03:55:15 <clever> hesperaux: the public one gets called from the main thread, and handles all the messy handler stuff
Apr 07 03:55:16 <doutdes> thanks
Apr 07 03:55:27 <clever> hesperaux: the private one then gets ran on the data thread, at a later time
Apr 07 03:55:49 <clever> but you only need to do that for things that must run on the thread
Apr 07 03:57:03 <hesperaux> so basically, you're acting on a message without having a Message
Apr 07 03:57:11 <rburton-> Are there any themes for Android that people can download?
Apr 07 03:57:15 <clever> yeah, ive never done any message stuff with handlers
Apr 07 03:57:22 <clever> ive only used them to run a Runnable on the thread
Apr 07 03:57:26 <hesperaux> the fact that you're calling public doSomething implies a Message, where what="something"
Apr 07 03:58:16 <clever> hesperaux: the second method doesnt even need to exist, you can just put that code on line 4 if you wanted to
Apr 07 03:58:31 <hesperaux> yeah
Apr 07 03:58:40 <doutdes> Any of you uses a VIM plugin on eclipse ?
Apr 07 04:02:20 <clever> hesperaux: hmmm, is the read function for the bluetooth lib async (calls X when there is data) or blocking?
Apr 07 04:04:32 <clever> hesperaux: ah, its just a bare InputStream
Apr 07 04:04:32 <hesperaux> pretty sure it's blocking. so i'm gonna have to spawn another thread probably
Apr 07 04:04:35 <clever> probly blocking then
Apr 07 04:04:48 <clever> i would just ditch the entire looper then
Apr 07 04:04:50 <hesperaux> same for writing I think
Apr 07 04:05:11 <clever> public void run() { connect; while (!quiting) { packet = socket.read(); ... } };
Apr 07 04:05:14 <clever> simple
Apr 07 04:05:46 <clever> when you want it to stop, just set quiting to false and close the socket from outside the thread
Apr 07 04:06:03 <clever> when the socket is closed, the read function should return an error of some kind
Apr 07 04:06:14 <hesperaux> i'd have to make the quiting variable thread safe then, right?
Apr 07 04:06:34 <clever> boolean should be thread safe, it can only have 2 values
Apr 07 04:06:42 <clever> it can never get stuck with half of it changed
Apr 07 04:06:55 <hesperaux> heh, good point
Apr 07 04:06:59 <hesperaux> worst case it cycles one more time
Apr 07 04:07:02 <g00s> clever: well, see AtomicBoolean and "volatile boolean"
Apr 07 04:07:05 <g00s> XD
Apr 07 04:07:18 <clever> g00s: *looks*
Apr 07 04:07:24 <clever> isnt volatile a c thing?
Apr 07 04:07:38 * hesperaux recognizes it
Apr 07 04:07:39 <g00s> hesperaux: nows a good time to check out JCIP XD
Apr 07 04:07:55 <clever> g00s: the only bonus i can see for AtomicBoolean, is the compare+set tools
Apr 07 04:08:05 <hesperaux> it tells the compiler not to optimize out the reference because the pointer contains data that may be changed outside execution
Apr 07 04:08:05 <clever> but if the thread only ever reads it, i dont see a need
Apr 07 04:08:08 <g00s> its a better "volatile boolean"
Apr 07 04:08:19 <g00s> if you have one thread read, one write it - it needs to be volatile
Apr 07 04:08:24 <clever> hesperaux: yep, but i didnt think java had that
Apr 07 04:08:36 <kaneda^> java has volatile
Apr 07 04:08:38 <hesperaux> neither did i
Apr 07 04:08:39 <clever> ah
Apr 07 04:08:58 <kaneda^> it's used to say that one thread can expect to get differing values of a var, essentially
Apr 07 04:09:03 <clever> ive only used it for passing things out of an irq in avr's
Apr 07 04:10:51 <clever> hesperaux: once you deal with the reads, is there any need for another thread?
Apr 07 04:11:23 <hesperaux> let me explain what i planned to do:
Apr 07 04:12:49 <hesperaux> 115200bps data stream comes over bluetooth. I want to capture every single byte of that stream. The data will have a sequence code to check for missing entries (it's real-time data). I want to process that data, as well as store it (implementing later), then make it available to the service in the thread's state. I also (implementing later) want to send bytes over the bluetooth connection to configure the module itself as well as my microcontroll
Apr 07 04:12:49 <hesperaux> er.
Apr 07 04:13:27 <clever> hesperaux: all of the processing can be done within the read thread, in a blocking manner
Apr 07 04:13:44 <clever> and stored in local fields on the service instance
Apr 07 04:14:24 <hesperaux> Oh, btw, i figured that i'd store the data at the input rate, but the UI would update from storage on a timer
Apr 07 04:14:39 <clever> pass a reference to the service when you create the thread, and tell the socket to disconnect (killing the thread) in onDestroy
Apr 07 04:15:03 <clever> and updating the ui from a timer will just waste cpu
Apr 07 04:15:19 <clever> parse everything out into simple objects, and then post a runnable to the ui thread to update things
Apr 07 04:15:20 * hesperaux explodes
Apr 07 04:15:52 <hesperaux> i can't post a runnable with access to the ui unless i do your interface trick, which i don't want to learn right now
Apr 07 04:16:05 <hesperaux> i can send objects through the Message though
Apr 07 04:16:22 <hesperaux> so I thought I would send a Message with a simple object for the UI to update
Apr 07 04:16:32 <kaneda^> runonuithread(new runnable(....
Apr 07 04:16:58 <kaneda^> or use an asynctask, the postexecute method runs in the calling thread, typically the ui thread
Apr 07 04:17:03 <clever> kaneda^: it still wouldnt have a reference to the activity currently on the screen
Apr 07 04:17:08 <clever> kaneda^: the data is coming from a service
Apr 07 04:17:37 <hesperaux> GUI -> Service -> Thread
Apr 07 04:18:03 <clever> to get data in the other direction, the service needs a reference to the current Activity
Apr 07 04:18:24 <hesperaux> or a handler from that context, which is what i was gonna do
Apr 07 04:18:32 <kaneda^> you might want to write some sort of singleton controller
Apr 07 04:18:36 <hesperaux> send small objects up through the message queue
Apr 07 04:18:39 <kaneda^> then while the app is open use taht to communicate
Apr 07 04:18:44 <clever> kaneda^: thats what the service is for
Apr 07 04:18:47 <kaneda^> ah
Apr 07 04:18:52 <hesperaux> yes
Apr 07 04:19:03 <clever> hesperaux: thats the same thing, just a different way to do it
Apr 07 04:20:03 <clever> hesperaux: http://pastebin.com/Cp89BBvH
Apr 07 04:20:05 <clever> hesperaux: this is a piece of my service code
Apr 07 04:20:27 <clever> setCallback gets called after binding the service, unsetCallback before i unbind it
Apr 07 04:20:37 <clever> all activitys implement Callbacks
Apr 07 04:21:03 <clever> so now i can simply do this if i want to update the ui, if (cb != null) cb.loginDone();
Apr 07 04:23:25 <clever> hesperaux: you still need to do the same thing if you wanted to use a Handler, thats about the only way to know which Handler to post to
Apr 07 04:31:53 <AnTi_MTtr> anyone tried coding client/server communications with an android device over usb?
Apr 07 04:33:11 <AnTi_MTtr> googling around for a solution, so far havent found one
Apr 07 04:34:32 <AnTi_MTtr> special accessory mode api interface looks more like its for connecting periphereals than to have 2-way communication with a pc
Apr 07 04:35:22 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: yeah, its meant to connect to host mode accessories, but there are demo programs using libusb to do it from linux
Apr 07 04:35:38 <clever> and theres nothing stopping you from abusing it to make a whole desktop into an accessory
Apr 07 04:35:41 <AnTi_MTtr> aslong as it has cross platform api support
Apr 07 04:35:50 <AnTi_MTtr> im looking to build a windows based server app
Apr 07 04:35:52 <clever> i'm pretty sure libusb also works on windows
Apr 07 04:35:56 <AnTi_MTtr> w/an android client
Apr 07 04:36:20 <AnTi_MTtr> and would prefer usb2 in case i want to push data fast/or without an internet connection
Apr 07 04:36:49 <AnTi_MTtr> so in that case i'd use the accessory mode api's
Apr 07 04:36:52 <AnTi_MTtr> from what you're telling me
Apr 07 04:36:55 <clever> i think this shows how to do it from libusb http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6524891/android-adk-with-pc-as-usb-host-with-libusb-bulk-transfer-error
Apr 07 04:37:35 <clever> http://www.libusb.org/wiki/windows_backend and it seems libusb does have windows versions
Apr 07 04:38:18 * do0ob wonders how long it takes to pull android build files
Apr 07 04:38:20 <AnTi_MTtr> great info, thanks
Apr 07 04:38:53 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: the accessory protocol also includes stuff to put an app store link, and app name
Apr 07 04:39:04 <clever> so if the android doesnt have your app, the user can install it easily
Apr 07 04:39:55 <clever> i was going to use it on my kindle fire, but amazon neutered all of the accessory protocol stuff
Apr 07 04:40:09 <AnTi_MTtr> ahh lame
Apr 07 04:40:28 <clever> they have also (just recently) done some broken code in systemui
Apr 07 04:40:44 <clever> it expects the wifi icon to always be there, and it seems the gsf (for gcm) hides the icon
Apr 07 04:40:49 <clever> null pointer exception!
Apr 07 04:41:02 <AnTi_MTtr> ya im thinking about building an app to act as kind of a user controlable billboard, so the table would be the display for the board, and the pc would have a windows app runing where the user could control whats being displayed
Apr 07 04:41:05 <clever> status bar dies, rotation dies, no way to open notifications
Apr 07 04:41:28 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: another way to do it, without usb, just use tcp
Apr 07 04:41:30 <clever> or even udp
Apr 07 04:41:35 <AnTi_MTtr> so its oging to involve realtime communication and maybe streaming, or i might just do it all by rpc and store the animations/video localy
Apr 07 04:41:41 <clever> send a broadcast packet with scores to the entire network
Apr 07 04:41:49 <clever> any active tablet on the network could show it
Apr 07 04:41:51 <AnTi_MTtr> ya the problem with that is the enviroments i'd use it in dont neccisssarily have good internet
Apr 07 04:42:03 <AnTi_MTtr> local wifi is a possibliity
Apr 07 04:42:04 <clever> doesnt need internet access, just local network
Apr 07 04:42:16 <AnTi_MTtr> but i'd prefer usb since i have some flakey wifi adapters
Apr 07 04:42:24 <AnTi_MTtr> well i should make it so it works either way
Apr 07 04:42:24 <clever> it would also let you hang a dozen tablets all over the room, on different walls
Apr 07 04:42:28 <clever> and all update together
Apr 07 04:42:33 <AnTi_MTtr> but im just thinking about my own personal application
Apr 07 04:42:48 <AnTi_MTtr> clever: that would be kinda awesome
Apr 07 04:43:33 <AnTi_MTtr> if i get serious developing this ill have excuse to buy a tablet
Apr 07 04:43:34 <AnTi_MTtr> finaly
Apr 07 04:43:51 <clever> could always borrow androids from the players :P
Apr 07 04:44:09 <clever> every player connect to the wifi and install your app, then duct-tape their phone to a nearby wall
Apr 07 04:44:16 <clever> or just hold it :P
Apr 07 04:44:19 <AnTi_MTtr> ya, i have an android phone but its like a first gen galaxy with ancient firmware so its useless for developing
Apr 07 04:45:38 <AnTi_MTtr> with all the usb support i should be able to figure most of it out this summer
Apr 07 04:45:54 <AnTi_MTtr> im already using large lcds to enhance the game
Apr 07 04:46:14 <AnTi_MTtr> but integrating tablets for realtime updates is taking it to the next level
Apr 07 04:52:22 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: hmmm, where did i leave my code...
Apr 07 04:54:17 <AnTi_MTtr> clever: you use eclipse?
Apr 07 04:54:28 <clever> that program was before i began using eclipse
Apr 07 04:54:30 <AnTi_MTtr> ive used eclipse for java before and like it
Apr 07 04:54:40 <AnTi_MTtr> android sdk is java right?
Apr 07 04:54:44 <clever> yeah
Apr 07 04:55:13 <AnTi_MTtr> are the emulators capable of emulating usb communication?
Apr 07 04:55:18 <clever> nope
Apr 07 04:55:20 <AnTi_MTtr> or would i need to get a device to test my code
Apr 07 04:55:34 <clever> need a real device to test usb stuff
Apr 07 04:55:44 <AnTi_MTtr> gotcha
Apr 07 04:59:05 <clever> cant seem to find the accessory code i was using, anywhere
Apr 07 04:59:34 <AnTi_MTtr> nice libusb has a freenode channel
Apr 07 05:00:25 <AnTi_MTtr> clever: you think most of the cheapy tablets sub $200 would have usb ports?
Apr 07 05:00:30 <AnTi_MTtr> or is that a high end feature
Apr 07 05:00:50 <clever> id think they all have micro-usb now a days
Apr 07 05:01:03 <clever> slave only most of the time
Apr 07 05:01:27 <clever> so the 'accessory' will need to be host most (desktop is always host)
Apr 07 05:02:14 <AnTi_MTtr> ahh
Apr 07 05:02:35 <clever> so connecting things to a desktop will be simple
Apr 07 05:02:55 <AnTi_MTtr> ya, simple two way communication is what i need
Apr 07 05:03:06 <AnTi_MTtr> send rpc calls through that
Apr 07 05:03:32 <AnTi_MTtr> i guess it could even be asynchronis now that i think about it
Apr 07 05:03:38 <doutdes> Does the IntentService runs at the same thread as the main thread ?
Apr 07 05:03:42 <doutdes> Do
Apr 07 05:03:45 <doutdes> *
Apr 07 05:03:50 <doutdes> run*
Apr 07 05:04:00 <g00s> doutdes: no, thats the point
Apr 07 05:04:12 <doutdes> thanks
Apr 07 05:19:38 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: ah, found it
Apr 07 05:19:45 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: a bare c file in my downloads folder!
Apr 07 05:20:42 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: this is what i was using to test things http://gallery.earthtools.ca/download/simplectrl.c
Apr 07 05:21:03 <clever> i had to mess with the vid/pid at the top to make it even react
Apr 07 05:27:35 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: ah, http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=262
Apr 07 05:30:24 <clever> AnTi_MTtr: http://android.serverbox.ch/?p=370
Apr 07 05:32:04 <clever> ah, one of those is for the other way around
Apr 07 06:04:42 <doutdes> Is there any good SQLite library ?
Apr 07 06:04:44 <etcetera> anyone know if the android azure mobile services sdk supports offline caching on device?
Apr 07 06:05:12 <jug6_mbl> Y would u need a library for sqlite
Apr 07 06:06:57 <doutdes> I don't need it, it would just make the code cleaner
Apr 07 06:32:27 <jug6_mbl> doutdes ormlite might be what your looking for
Apr 07 06:33:11 <ziddey> anyone have experience with framework-res.apk or apks in general?
Apr 07 06:34:15 <jug6_mbl> Wrong chan
Apr 07 06:39:27 <doutdes> How can I send data from my intentService to the main activity when it finishes running ?
Apr 07 06:39:47 <doutdes> jug6_mbl: thanks
Apr 07 06:51:02 <benlieb> Newb question: what is R in this: R.layout.activity_main Just getting my first hello world app up...
Apr 07 06:53:34 <JakeWharton> a generated file with integers that represent everything in the res/ folder
Apr 07 06:57:00 <benlieb> JakeWharton: hm...
Apr 07 07:05:00 <Browser> Hello, I need to change the properties of some elements inside a ListView. Should I get the Adapter , then get the view with the method getView()  and after that find the element?
Apr 07 07:07:13 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 07 07:07:26 <JakeWharton> change it when getView is called inside the adapter for that position
Apr 07 07:08:45 <pragma-> that seems more weird than just simply changing the value in the adapter and notifying data set changed
Apr 07 07:09:56 <pragma-> changing it when getview is called in the adapter means you might have a view that never scrolls off and therefore never refreshes
Apr 07 07:10:33 <JakeWharton> well it's the correct way
Apr 07 07:10:36 <JakeWharton> weird or not
Apr 07 07:11:08 <pragma-> then you have some views that might not getView() for a while
Apr 07 07:11:25 <pragma-> (which are already visible and should be updated)
Apr 07 07:11:34 <JakeWharton> wat?
Apr 07 07:11:58 <JakeWharton> oh, Browser, are you saying you want to update the data that's displayed on already existing views?
Apr 07 07:12:36 <JakeWharton> it's really hard to pay attention in this channel...
Apr 07 07:14:07 <pragma-> I just keep a reference to the List (ArrayList, LinkedList, etc) that is used by the ListAdapter, and I just work with that List and call adapter.notifyDataSetChanged() afterwards
Apr 07 07:15:29 <pragma-> that's what "change the properties of some elements inside a ListView" sounds like to me, anyway
Apr 07 07:15:42 <JakeWharton> yeah me too
Apr 07 07:15:55 <JakeWharton> i only half read the question and assumed he wanted to change some views based on properties or something
Apr 07 07:16:56 <doutdes> If I declare a broadcast receiver in onResume(), do I need to declare it on onStart()?
Apr 07 07:17:28 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 07 07:17:55 <doutdes> Thanks
Apr 07 07:24:58 <ninharp> which IDE do you use? and which is best? eclipes, intellij, netbeans, anjuta, ...?
Apr 07 07:25:06 <ninharp> i use eclipse at the moment
Apr 07 07:25:43 <JakeWharton> I've found IntelliJ IDEA to be quite superior to Eclipse in every aspect
Apr 07 07:26:16 <rburton-> I'm a little confused how @Produce works with Otto
Apr 07 07:26:28 <rburton-> Does the bus identify this method returns a class type of Blah and then caches that?
Apr 07 07:26:35 <JakeWharton> no
Apr 07 07:26:50 <JakeWharton> from the website:
Apr 07 07:26:50 <JakeWharton> When registering, the producer method will be called once for each subscriber previously registered for the same type. The producer method will also be called once for each new method that subscribes to an event of the same type.
Apr 07 07:27:58 <rburton-> I'm just uncertain how this annotation is used. I understand the @Subscribe annotation, basically tells the bus what methods should be invoked upon the post of data
Apr 07 07:28:22 <rburton-> in the example there's BusProvider.getInstance().post(produceLocationEvent());
Apr 07 07:28:30 <rburton-> an explicit call to the produce method
Apr 07 07:28:48 <JakeWharton> right. because it's just a method
Apr 07 07:29:02 <rburton-> Oh so during the register invocation, these methods are triggered
Apr 07 07:29:04 <JakeWharton> it's used by the bus to produce events of that type for new subscribers
Apr 07 07:29:08 <Browser> JakeWharton yes, that is, I want to update that elements
Apr 07 07:29:41 <rburton-> Okay so when a class is registered listening for LocationChangeEvent, during the register this method is triggered.
Apr 07 07:29:59 <rburton-> Okay that makes sense. It's used to invoke the producer methods upon registeration of objects
Apr 07 07:30:53 <JakeWharton> we should probably remove the explicit use of the method to not cause confusion
Apr 07 07:32:01 <rburton-> That's what was throwing me off since I'm seeing the method invocation in the example then I'm trying to tie things together mentally. "Does the bus look at the return types and then do caching? That doesn't make sense since this example has an explicit call"
Apr 07 07:34:06 <rburton-> Okay so this will be useful. I'll have my Retrofit callback singleton cache state from the prior invocation so when the ConversationListActivity is rendered, it can hydrate the prior cache version and if it's been x amount of time, make a remote server call to refresh the data.
Apr 07 07:34:43 <rburton-> Have you guys introduced the GSON serializer for Tape?
Apr 07 07:35:31 <JakeWharton> what do you mean introduced?
Apr 07 07:35:45 <JakeWharton> we've used one for like 2 years
Apr 07 07:36:14 <rburton-> Oh I thought you mentioned you guys were going to add it
Apr 07 07:36:15 <rburton-> hmm
Apr 07 07:36:22 <JakeWharton> oh right
Apr 07 07:36:28 <JakeWharton> to the actual library
Apr 07 07:36:34 <JakeWharton> it's like 30 lines of code and listed on the website
Apr 07 07:36:40 <JakeWharton> well, a form of it is
Apr 07 07:37:12 <rburton-> I was going to implement it but didn't want to duplicate what you guys were going to add.
Apr 07 07:37:15 <rburton-> Right now using SerializedConverter
Apr 07 07:37:23 <JakeWharton> yeah. don't use that
Apr 07 07:37:37 <JakeWharton> Serializable is the fucking devil
Apr 07 07:37:39 <Browser> pragma-: you mean, get the adapter, change the propertie and then notify it?
Apr 07 07:37:42 <rburton-> java.io.Serialize is a old bag of shit
Apr 07 07:37:44 <rburton-> yup
Apr 07 07:38:01 <rburton-> Using that now until the GSON stuff is introduced (Still in development so no big deal)
Apr 07 07:41:14 <rburton-> Does Otto work with collections? Or should the return type be a base class with the collecion embedded. I think the latter
Apr 07 07:41:28 <JakeWharton> use a concrete class
Apr 07 07:41:40 <JakeWharton> class FooList extends List<Foo> {}
Apr 07 07:42:02 <rburton-> I'm just modeling stuff now as XyzEvent with getters for the state
Apr 07 07:42:19 <JakeWharton> oh
Apr 07 07:42:25 <JakeWharton> yeah the list should be inside the event
Apr 07 07:42:29 <JakeWharton> and events should be immutable
Apr 07 07:42:40 <rburton-> Yup immutabity ;)
Apr 07 07:42:54 <rburton-> Most engineers don't value functional programming concepts sadly.
Apr 07 07:43:21 <doutdes> How can I pause an alarmmanager on onPause() ?
Apr 07 07:43:23 <rburton-> I have a blog posting I need to release on using TaskQueue to build more realiable mobile applications and one of the things I mention is making sure tasks are idempotent
Apr 07 07:44:00 <rburton-> I explain the reason behind it so they're informed. e.g., you may have a failure in the system or device may shut down causing the task to retry again
Apr 07 07:49:55 <doutdes> If I need to run an IntentService every 5 minutes but only when the application is opened is alarm manager a bad choice ?
Apr 07 07:50:26 <Dr_Coke> whats everyones favorite ide for developing android apps in java
Apr 07 07:51:00 <doutdes> vim
Apr 07 07:51:32 <Dr_Coke> neverheard of vim
Apr 07 07:51:41 <Dr_Coke> where can i take a look at it
Apr 07 07:51:58 <rburton-> Intellij
Apr 07 07:52:21 <rburton-> Use vim if you want to measure your pennis ;) </ide-flamewar/>
Apr 07 07:52:23 <Dr_Coke> yer thats the one i wanted to check out rburton-
Apr 07 07:52:28 <Dr_Coke> couldnt remember the name of it
Apr 07 07:52:31 <Dr_Coke> lol
Apr 07 07:52:42 <rburton-> last I checked VIM wasn't an IDE ;)
Apr 07 07:53:00 <doutdes> eclim*
Apr 07 07:53:23 <rburton-> VIM can't compare to Intellij. There's nothing to compare
Apr 07 07:53:35 <doutdes> there is no reason to compare
Apr 07 07:53:40 <doutdes> I'm just more used to vim
Apr 07 07:53:53 <Browser> Hello, I need to change the properties of some elements inside a ListView. Should I get the Adapter , then get the view with the method getView()  and after that find the element? I have some images in different rows, So I have to find a image with a specificic tag and change its alpha
Apr 07 07:53:54 <rburton-> I use vim a lot, I wouldn't recommend it for programming on an Android project
Apr 07 07:54:16 <doutdes> why not ? you can get the completion using eclim
Apr 07 07:54:29 <rburton-> completion isn't the feature I'm worried about.
Apr 07 07:54:33 <doutdes> what is
Apr 07 07:54:39 <rburton-> Debugging
Apr 07 07:54:41 <kevinb> i was hardcore vim before i did android development. but with android an actual IDE really makes sense. eclim didn't cut it for me
Apr 07 07:55:25 <doutdes> Yea, I just started programming for android so
Apr 07 07:55:32 <rburton-> Browser might want to consider notifyDataSetChanged();
Apr 07 07:55:43 <doutdes> Using eclipse was wierd
Apr 07 07:55:45 <rburton-> Sounds like you want to update the collection and render the changes
Apr 07 07:56:14 <Browser> rburton-: is just change the property of that image
Apr 07 07:56:15 <rburton-> Eclipse isn't bad, but Intellij in my opinion is very nice in comparsion. Just a more polished (experience, features, etc) IDE
Apr 07 07:56:42 <rburton-> Browser just changing the tag? you can get the view that the ImageView is a part of
Apr 07 07:56:50 <doutdes> Oh, it has an UI designer inside of it
Apr 07 07:56:54 <doutdes> will check that out
Apr 07 07:57:05 <rburton-> It has that as well. Pretty decent for general stuff
Apr 07 07:57:05 <Browser> rburton-: with getView() ?
Apr 07 07:57:29 <doutdes> is the free version complete ?
Apr 07 07:57:38 <rburton-> Not complete but has a lot
Apr 07 07:57:38 <Dr_Coke> what version do you use rburton-
Apr 07 07:57:43 <Dr_Coke> the paid or free
Apr 07 07:57:45 <rburton-> Commerical version
Apr 07 07:57:46 <Dr_Coke>  Intellij
Apr 07 07:57:46 <Browser> rburton-: I want to change just the alpha
Apr 07 07:57:51 <Dr_Coke> nice
Apr 07 07:57:53 <doutdes> will check if my university has a license
Apr 07 07:58:00 <rburton-> Browser from where?
Apr 07 07:58:06 <rburton-> doutdes you can get a discount version
Apr 07 07:58:17 <Browser> rburton-: from the main Activity
Apr 07 07:58:24 <Dr_Coke> how much did you pay rburton-
Apr 07 07:58:28 <rburton-> Browser what triggers it?
Apr 07 07:58:28 <Dr_Coke> 199$
Apr 07 07:58:29 <Dr_Coke> ?
Apr 07 07:58:32 <rburton-> I pay $199
Apr 07 07:58:37 <rburton-> Yup
Apr 07 07:58:57 <rburton-> I haven't upgraded in since 10x :(
Apr 07 07:59:20 <Browser> rburton-: in my onCreate method
Apr 07 07:59:49 <rburton-> So you're only changing the alpha before the list is rendered
Apr 07 07:59:57 <Browser> no
Apr 07 08:00:14 <rburton-> Browser not sure what you're trying to do I guess then. sorry
Apr 07 08:00:55 <Browser> rburton- I have my ListView load, then the user swipes a card and I have to find an image with that tag to change the alpha
Apr 07 08:01:31 <rburton-> you can just do view.findViewById(R.id.myImageViewName); then from there get the bitmap and modify it
Apr 07 08:02:09 <Browser> rburton- yes, the problem is get the view
Apr 07 08:02:41 <rburton-> What's your event signature for the swipe look like?
Apr 07 08:02:47 <Browser> if I try with listView.findViewByTag , it doesn't find it
Apr 07 08:02:56 <rburton-> gist?
Apr 07 08:03:16 <Browser> I have to get first the view inside, I guess
Apr 07 08:03:16 <Browser> I have to get first the view inside, I guess
Apr 07 08:03:18 <Browser> sorry
Apr 07 08:05:20 <rburton-> Google is showing me loads of Square ads since I did google searchs for Square tape :/
Apr 07 08:05:32 <JakeWharton> imagine how many i get
Apr 07 08:05:40 <rburton-> I couldn't it must be painful.
Apr 07 08:05:55 <JakeWharton> every site, every youtube video, etc.
Apr 07 08:05:58 <rburton-> Such a waste of money
Apr 07 08:06:03 <rburton-> Me too I just got them on YouTube
Apr 07 08:06:17 <rburton-> I just got another in a banner on a video.
Apr 07 08:06:43 <rburton-> JakeWharton: Once I finish off this blog post on Tape, I'll send you a copy as well to review.
Apr 07 08:06:48 <rburton-> Going to have Eric review it also
Apr 07 08:20:19 <doutdes> Is SharedPrefferences acessible from every class in the package ?
Apr 07 08:30:45 <JakeWharton> assuming you have access to a Context, yes
Apr 07 08:31:14 <doutdes> Thanks
Apr 07 08:52:26 <Napalm> JakeWharton: hows it going?
Apr 07 08:55:12 <JakeWharton> good. busy busy busy
Apr 07 08:55:18 <JakeWharton> as per usual
Apr 07 08:55:44 <Napalm> i know the feeling
Apr 07 08:55:47 <JakeWharton> how goes it yourself?
Apr 07 08:56:12 <Napalm> im just tidying up some things for work tommorow, so i can go in and go "tada" all done
Apr 07 08:56:44 <Napalm> hmm, ever implemented one of those expanding/collapsing views, like the extended textview thingy in google play?
Apr 07 08:57:02 <Napalm> im thinking using a negative margin would do it
Apr 07 08:58:15 <JakeWharton> I did it with a FrameLayout that accepts two children and toggles between the two
Apr 07 08:58:23 <JakeWharton> drawing an arrow in the lower-right manually
Apr 07 08:58:49 <Napalm> toggles between then, oh yea, the google one doesnt animate
Apr 07 08:59:05 <Napalm> i was thinking of using an custom ValueAnimator one the layout params
Apr 07 08:59:31 <JakeWharton> animating layout params is a slippery slope
Apr 07 08:59:34 <Napalm> i know
Apr 07 09:00:10 <Napalm> i just cant think of a better way, if you need it to animate open and its changes the layout then it has to invalidate and relayout
Apr 07 09:01:23 <Napalm> now where did i see that swipe to delete code
Apr 07 09:01:41 <Napalm> nurik wrote one
Apr 07 09:01:48 <Napalm> hmm beta though
Apr 07 09:05:11 <doutdes> I don't remember the name of it, but what is that time setting for the alarm manager that "isn't exactly 15 minutes, but close to it" ?
Apr 07 09:05:20 <doutdes> oh well that exaplanation sucked
Apr 07 09:06:14 <Napalm> i think i know what you mean
Apr 07 09:06:27 <hamid> Question: There are two views in my app, first is the content view and second is a sidebar. I have this button on top of the content view which makes the sidebar hides and shows( comes out from right). Is it logical to resize the content view ( which is horizontalscrollview ) at runtime ? any other idea?
Apr 07 09:06:28 <doutdes> that's all I remember from google IO
Apr 07 09:06:29 <Napalm> are you talking about setInexactRepeating?
Apr 07 09:06:36 <doutdes> nhmmmmm
Apr 07 09:06:38 <doutdes> yea
Apr 07 09:06:44 <doutdes> thanks
Apr 07 09:06:47 <doutdes> !
Apr 07 09:07:42 <doutdes> nice abstraction
Apr 07 09:23:07 <hamid> no idea? :/
Apr 07 09:23:47 <JakeWharton> hamid: i would look at one of the three libraries that offer that functionality and figure out what they do
Apr 07 09:23:52 <xorgate> hamid no it would trigger layout pass
Apr 07 09:24:18 <JakeWharton> you'll want hardware layers at the very least
Apr 07 09:26:41 <hamid> JakeWharton, would you describe more?
Apr 07 09:26:51 <JakeWharton> no because i've never done it
Apr 07 09:26:59 <JakeWharton> and if I did I would use a library
Apr 07 09:27:39 <hamid> JakeWharton, what are those three libraries?
Apr 07 09:27:54 <JakeWharton> android-menudrawer, undergarment, SlidingMenu
Apr 07 09:28:06 <JakeWharton> i would recommend the first one
Apr 07 09:28:19 <hamid> JakeWharton, thanks.
Apr 07 09:32:41 <doutdes> wow eclipse, after 6 hours programming crashed on the only moment I didn't save the file, awesome
Apr 07 09:33:18 <bankai_> oh man ....
Apr 07 09:36:35 <JakeWharton> it doesn't auto-save?
Apr 07 09:37:20 <JakeWharton> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2943122/eclipse-auto-save
Apr 07 09:37:57 <JakeWharton> IntelliJ has autosave on by default for everything, regardless of building state
Apr 07 09:39:08 <doutdes> oh I usually have auto save turned on in my body's preferences
Apr 07 09:39:33 <doutdes> I type ctrl +s every word I write
Apr 07 09:40:05 <JakeWharton> nice
Apr 07 09:40:07 <doutdes> it crashed when I deleted everything from a file
Apr 07 09:40:12 <JakeWharton> do you use vim?
Apr 07 09:40:14 <doutdes> and saved
Apr 07 09:40:16 <doutdes> yea
Apr 07 09:40:22 <doutdes> I mean
Apr 07 09:40:29 <doutdes> I type esc :w
Apr 07 09:40:34 <doutdes> everyword I write
Apr 07 09:40:45 <JakeWharton> excellent. i've long said that vim isn't an editor but merely a tool for those who have OCD about saving
Apr 07 09:41:05 <do0ob> What do you call the rotating progress icon?
Apr 07 09:41:12 <JakeWharton> Spinner
Apr 07 09:41:13 <do0ob> i thought it was a spinner but it wasn't
Apr 07 09:41:24 <JakeWharton> er
Apr 07 09:41:25 <kevinb> ProgressBar
Apr 07 09:41:27 <JakeWharton> ProgressBar
Apr 07 09:41:28 <JakeWharton> damnit
Apr 07 09:41:31 <kevinb> i win
Apr 07 09:41:42 <osxorgate> is there a simple way to swap 2 widgets inside a linearlayout?
Apr 07 09:41:49 <kevinb> i hate the name Spinner for the dropdown menus
Apr 07 09:41:51 <JakeWharton> osxorgate: use a ViewAnimator
Apr 07 09:41:53 <JakeWharton> or ViewSwitcher
Apr 07 09:41:57 <JakeWharton> kevinb: agree
Apr 07 09:42:03 <osxorgate> thanks ill check it out
Apr 07 09:42:14 <JakeWharton> kevinb: it made more sense back in the Android 1.0 days
Apr 07 09:42:28 <do0ob> then i guess android asset studio doesn't support it
Apr 07 09:43:01 <do0ob> osxorgate: have 3 and hide the left or right one depending on which way they should be?
Apr 07 09:43:26 <osxorgate> do0ob:  heh interesting approach..
Apr 07 09:43:37 <osxorgate> i reckon that could work for me
Apr 07 09:44:22 <doutdes> If I pass an empty array to a list adapter will it crash?
Apr 07 09:44:49 <JakeWharton> depends what list adapter
Apr 07 09:45:02 <JakeWharton> (list adapter is an interface)
Apr 07 09:45:16 <JakeWharton> but the answer you're probably looking for is: no
Apr 07 09:45:29 <Scader> hi all, I try to build one app which uses actionbarsherlock. I get following error within actionbarsherlock: The container 'Android Dependencies' references non existing library '/opt/android-sdk-update-manager/tools/support/annotations.jar'. I guess this annotations.jar was removed at some SDK update, is this correct? What is the direction for solving this problem?
Apr 07 09:45:52 <JakeWharton> it wasn't removed
Apr 07 09:46:06 <Scader> hm, I'm missing this jar
Apr 07 09:46:17 * monsti is missing you, too :(
Apr 07 09:46:19 <JakeWharton> is your SDK up to date?
Apr 07 09:46:33 <Quacked> I want to insert a value in a text field on a web site, press the button and retrieve the result content. I know how to retrieve content by getting the site content as String etc, but how can I do the first two parts?
Apr 07 09:47:11 <JakeWharton> Quacked: send an HTTP request just like submitting the form does
Apr 07 09:47:14 <mitchnull> Quacked: just send a http POST with the data
Apr 07 09:47:27 <mitchnull> (or GET, w/e)
Apr 07 09:47:27 <monsti> Quacked: via an active post/get or via javascript or jquery
Apr 07 09:47:29 <doutdes> yea but what if he wants to make a headless browser
Apr 07 09:47:53 <Scader> JakeWharton, yes, it is
Apr 07 09:47:57 * monsti has to deal with headless users
Apr 07 09:48:17 <JakeWharton> i've heard of blind and deaf users... but never headless
Apr 07 09:48:29 <Scader> JakeWharton, I've already updated everything via sdk manager and eclipse
Apr 07 09:48:49 <mitchnull> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOmWOsfM6As <- the headless children ;)
Apr 07 09:49:02 <kevinb> there are definitely brainless users though
Apr 07 09:49:11 <JakeWharton> far too many
Apr 07 09:51:14 <Quacked> hmm
Apr 07 09:53:27 <Quacked> this is the html for the button (line 9) and text field http://pastebin.com/ir0nZuQ5
Apr 07 09:53:49 <doutdes> dude
Apr 07 09:53:54 <doutdes> get firefox
Apr 07 09:54:00 <doutdes> firebug*
Apr 07 09:54:06 <doutdes> watch the network tab
Apr 07 09:54:16 <doutdes> see what gets on the POST/GET
Apr 07 09:54:17 <Scader> JakeWharton, I found annotations.jar in ln -s /opt/android-sdk-update-manager/temp/ToolPackage.old02/support/annotations.jar annotations.jar, symlinked it now to '/opt/android-sdk-update-manager/tools/support/annotations.jar' and it looks good
Apr 07 09:55:03 <Quacked> doutdes: good idea.. thats possible in opera too (which im currently using)
Apr 07 10:01:27 <Quacked> So I think the search string is "MC=1&X2f1=bamse&X2ssy=S%F8k+Synonym&X2f2=". But am I far off thinking I could just do something like www.domain.org/X2index2.php?MC=1&X2f1=bamse&X2ssy=S%F8k+Synonym&X2f2= ?
Apr 07 10:04:24 <doutdes> I think so
Apr 07 10:04:34 <doutdes> if it's not a POST
Apr 07 10:04:45 <doutdes> request
Apr 07 10:05:35 <Quacked> POST /X2index2.php HTTP/1.1
Apr 07 10:06:10 <doutdes> So you can't
Apr 07 10:06:24 <doutdes> use a HttpClient
Apr 07 10:06:34 <JakeWharton> or UrlConnection...
Apr 07 10:06:58 <doutdes> http://www.androidsnippets.com/executing-a-http-post-request-with-httpclient
Apr 07 10:07:01 <JakeWharton> although you probably want HttpClient since it'll hand-hold you
Apr 07 10:07:57 <Quacked> already using httpclient to get the content as string
Apr 07 10:08:59 <doutdes>        nameValuePairs.add(new BasicNameValuePair("MC", "1"));
Apr 07 10:09:01 <doutdes>         nameValuePairs.add(new BasicNameValuePair("X2f1", "bamse"));
Apr 07 10:09:03 <doutdes>         nameValuePairs.add(new BasicNameValuePair("X2ssy", "S%F8k+Synonym"));
Apr 07 10:09:05 <doutdes>         nameValuePairs.add(new BasicNameValuePair("X2f2", " ?"));
Apr 07 10:09:31 <Quacked> thanks :D
Apr 07 10:11:57 <doutdes> Is cancel() on onPause() enough to stop an alarm manager ?
Apr 07 10:13:22 <doutdes> I mean, is onPause() called when the app is closed ?
Apr 07 10:14:57 <JakeWharton> onPause is called when your activity is no longer displayed on screen
Apr 07 10:15:23 <doutdes> So if it's force closed it will not end the alarm manager
Apr 07 10:17:22 <stork> motherfucker i just spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out why my adapter wasn't populating my list items... turns out i had my listview height set to 0dp.
Apr 07 10:18:53 <doutdes> uh
Apr 07 10:18:59 <doutdes> i'm having the same problem
Apr 07 10:19:02 <doutdes> for an house
Apr 07 10:19:04 <doutdes> hour*
Apr 07 10:19:09 <doutdes> if that's the problem I will kill myself
Apr 07 10:27:47 <Quacked> doutdes: looks like its working fine :D
Apr 07 10:27:50 <Quacked> thanks a bunch
Apr 07 10:30:09 <doutdes> np
Apr 07 10:36:54 <Browser> I am trying to update the alpha of a image inside a ListView. I have tried with getChildAt() but It is always null. How should I do it?
Apr 07 10:38:42 <do0ob> How do i check that an activity still has focus?
Apr 07 10:39:24 <do0ob> i have an asynctask and i want to pass it an activity, but what if the activity no longer exists when the task finishes?
Apr 07 10:42:45 <Quacked> Now I have a list of Elements that I want to display, each on a new line (scrollable). Should I use ListView for that or something else?
Apr 07 10:42:58 <JakeWharton> ListView
Apr 07 10:42:58 <Quacked> The number of elements varies
Apr 07 10:43:09 <Quacked> Okidoke. Thanks.
Apr 07 10:51:16 <osxorgate> ow .. didn't think this through.. in my activity's oncreate i check a pref, and load a layout depending on it. now when i go to prefs and change the setting and return, of course the new layout isn't loaded yet
Apr 07 10:51:47 <osxorgate> maybe i could force recreation of the activity? or what's the better solution
Apr 07 10:58:58 <monsti> osxorgate: set the new layout in onActivityResult
Apr 07 10:59:46 <monsti> i also think there is a prefchanged handler
Apr 07 11:10:21 <osxorgate> hm i just removeAllViews() and add them again in onResume
Apr 07 11:10:25 <osxorgate> seems to work
Apr 07 11:10:27 <osxorgate> bit hacky
Apr 07 11:25:56 <HerbertWest> hi I have troubles with a Android Installation on ubuntu... http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/adding-packages.html I can't find "tools/" folder .. can somebody helpme?
Apr 07 11:29:14 <xviv> HerbertWest, why you no just download the bundle package ?
Apr 07 11:29:35 <xviv> HerbertWest, and don't forget to install JDK.
Apr 07 11:29:52 <HerbertWest> ok
Apr 07 11:29:59 <HerbertWest> ill do that
Apr 07 11:30:24 <HerbertWest> tty
Apr 07 11:30:35 <xviv> yw.
Apr 07 11:40:30 <do0ob> When inserting values into a SQLITE database how do i encode it?
Apr 07 11:40:47 <do0ob> i want to avoid _ and % in values messing with queries i will perform later
Apr 07 11:41:07 <monsti> do0ob: there are sql parameters in sqlite/android
Apr 07 11:41:38 <monsti> e.g inser into ? (foo,bar) values (?,?)
Apr 07 11:46:16 <xviv> Which is the best way while working with custom layout listView and sqlite? lazyAdapter or cursorAdapter?
Apr 07 11:46:45 <monsti> i always crate my own adapter derived from baseadapter
Apr 07 11:47:37 <do0ob> monsti: oh, i see, i was going to use raw queries, so i guess i'll use that instead
Apr 07 11:48:05 <do0ob> no wait, i get it now
Apr 07 11:49:08 <do0ob> i'm using a contentprovider and a loadermanager, seemed the easiest way to get the job done
Apr 07 11:52:14 <xviv> hey monsti, would you mind to give some blogpost / article that talk about how to maintain custom listView using sqlite, sharedprefs or something?
Apr 07 11:52:39 <xorgate> xviv you can make your own adapter extending BaseAdapter
Apr 07 11:52:49 <xorgate> give it a cursor and in getView moveToPosition(position)
Apr 07 11:52:51 <xviv> I mean, written by another. Not you :D. I can't get it from d.android.com :|
Apr 07 11:53:13 <xorgate> xviv did you watch 'world of listview' on youtube
Apr 07 11:53:43 <xviv> xorgate, never heard before. Off to find it. :)
Apr 07 11:54:40 <xviv> wow, long durated vid. Gotta buffer it with my slow connection. Thank you xorgate :)
Apr 07 11:54:51 <xorgate> xviv mandatory for all android devs
Apr 07 11:55:18 <xorgate> get a yt download plugin in your browser ;)
Apr 07 11:56:01 <xviv> I use idm btw, don't worry :)
Apr 07 11:56:16 <xorgate> idm = ?
Apr 07 11:56:25 <xviv> internet download manager.
Apr 07 11:56:36 <xviv> it has plugin for download vid from yt.
Apr 07 11:57:17 <hamid> JakeWharton, android-menudrawer is perfect! thank you for suggesting that.
Apr 07 11:57:25 <xviv> I said buffer because I thought downloading vid from yt is inappropriate, lol
Apr 07 12:18:44 <hetii> Hello :)
Apr 07 12:19:27 <hetii> I build application where i will need communicate with my server, What will be the best? some http json handler or GCM ?
Apr 07 12:21:49 <hetii> Also for specific device i need to be able define hew pictures that need to be downloaded and displayed
Apr 07 12:21:59 <hetii> suppose for that i will use GCM
Apr 07 12:36:53 <do0ob> what is GCM?
Apr 07 12:37:13 <do0ob> google cloud messaging?
Apr 07 12:38:05 <hetii> yes
Apr 07 12:39:17 <evident> hi everybody. I have written a little test App that gets the camera preview images to process them. I have read through SO the last days and now have an implementation that uses several buffers for the data, but I still only get up to 11 FPS on my Nexus 4. When I run the same app on my old HTC Desire instead, I get between 23-30 FPS.
Apr 07 12:39:32 <do0ob> downloading a few pics seems like a pure get operation
Apr 07 12:39:51 <evident> Is the Nexus 4 camera just bad or is are there some special settings necessary? I mean the default camera app shows the images much smoother.
Apr 07 12:40:40 <do0ob> why are you using a camera preview? sounds like you want to record video
Apr 07 12:44:13 <SOUL_OF_R00T> hi guys!
Apr 07 12:44:16 <do0ob> hi
Apr 07 12:44:57 <evident> do0ob: well I need it for an augmented reality app. I need to pass each (almost each) frame to some image processing routines.
Apr 07 12:45:41 <evident> therefore recording video wouldn't help much
Apr 07 12:47:56 <do0ob> i thought that maybe you could set the camera to low quality and read the output file
Apr 07 12:48:32 <do0ob> maybe the previews are capped
Apr 07 12:58:59 <root66> evident: got you covered bro
Apr 07 12:59:11 <root66> http://johnnystreet.com/CanvasLand/ ;D
Apr 07 12:59:23 <root66> feel free to steal CameraTrack.js and modify as necessary
Apr 07 12:59:32 <root66> *Tracker?
Apr 07 12:59:59 <root66> you can see it in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkWEqGHirJw
Apr 07 13:00:25 <root66> hahaah shit
Apr 07 13:00:35 <root66> I thought I was looking at #three.js :(
Apr 07 13:00:49 <root66> but I have the same code done in java if you want it too
Apr 07 13:04:52 <bubbleguuum> Anyone knows why one some rare device context.getResource() may return null when the context class is Application ?
Apr 07 13:24:39 <kaneda^> mornin
Apr 07 13:47:20 <BulleTime> hi
Apr 07 13:47:42 <BulleTime> is it able to create a dialog that wont affect the background focus of my contentview?
Apr 07 13:59:12 <Dr_Coke> yellow everybody
Apr 07 14:18:32 <BulleTime> anyone?
Apr 07 14:19:39 <WhereIsMySpoon> Every time I start my app, I get this stacktrace: http://pastie.org/7351729
Apr 07 14:19:52 <WhereIsMySpoon> I have no idea what's causing it as it doesn't give any line numbers in my code :|
Apr 07 14:21:27 <WhereIsMySpoon> Also is there any way I can get the "11 more" to expand?
Apr 07 14:27:30 <bubbleguuum> when you think you have seen every possible crash report, there always something new: "java.lang.RuntimeException: createWindowSurface failed EGL_BAD_ALLOC"
Apr 07 14:29:13 <BulleTime> anyone knows its able to show a dialog while the background activity still operational ?
Apr 07 14:29:28 <BulleTime> i just want to show a sprite in dialog
Apr 07 14:29:55 <osxorgate> BulleTime:  you could give it a dialog-style
Apr 07 14:30:05 <BulleTime> i did, i think
Apr 07 14:30:13 <osxorgate> for example an activity with dialog style
Apr 07 14:30:40 <BulleTime> i am overwriting <style name="Theme.Transparent" parent="android:Theme.NoTitleBar.Fullscreen">
Apr 07 14:30:57 <BulleTime> that is dialog aint?
Apr 07 14:31:09 <osxorgate> Theme.Dialog
Apr 07 14:31:22 <osxorgate> <style name="MyTheme.Dialog" parent="@android:style/Theme.Dialog">
Apr 07 14:31:26 <osxorgate> is what i use <11
Apr 07 14:33:25 <BulleTime> ok but that wont fix my issue
Apr 07 14:33:35 <BulleTime> the background content is not focused
Apr 07 14:33:54 <BulleTime> while my dialog should only be 100x100 px
Apr 07 14:34:09 <BulleTime> what can cause that problem?
Apr 07 14:35:31 <osxorgate> what are you trying to achieve?
Apr 07 14:35:43 <osxorgate> a popup ?
Apr 07 14:36:05 <SimonVT> You can't use dialogs or activities for this.. add the view directly to the layout of the activity where you want to show it
Apr 07 14:38:35 <BulleTime> i have a 3d rotating logo (sprite) that i want to show as dialog osxorgate
Apr 07 14:38:55 <BulleTime> i want that as dialog so it wont change/reload when i switch contentview
Apr 07 14:39:20 <jug6ernaut> switch contentview?
Apr 07 14:39:38 <BulleTime> setContentView
Apr 07 14:39:59 <BulleTime> i use setContentView for "pages"
Apr 07 14:40:26 <SimonVT> Don't do that
Apr 07 14:40:33 <BulleTime> hhm ok?
Apr 07 14:40:36 <SimonVT> Swap out fragments
Apr 07 14:40:56 <BulleTime> so how would i archive a top menu that links to pages?
Apr 07 14:41:14 <BulleTime> i mean i quess its ok to have page layouts in xml?
Apr 07 14:41:39 <SimonVT> Yes, fragments can inflate their views from xml
Apr 07 14:41:50 <BulleTime> hhm ok ill look for that
Apr 07 14:43:18 <do0ob> I'm getting sqlite pattern match errors
Apr 07 14:43:53 <BulleTime> uuhm fragments no go for gingerbread?
Apr 07 14:44:11 <jug6ernaut> compatibility library
Apr 07 14:44:43 <do0ob> i'm trying to match:  location like path%, so i set it up as LOCATION_KEY_PATH+" LIKE ?%", new String[] {path}) but it fails
Apr 07 14:45:51 <jug6ernaut> do0ob code & stacktrace
Apr 07 14:52:12 <mikk0> im compiling my project on the command line in windows vista. how do i include the org.apache.commons libraries to my project?
Apr 07 14:52:28 <mikk0> i have import org.apache.commons.net.ftp but its giving me an error
Apr 07 14:54:00 <mikk0> error: package org.apache.commons.net.ftp does not exist
Apr 07 15:00:00 <mikk0> i tried copy ant-commons-net.jar into my libs directory.. tried using the -lib option in the ant command, and stuff
Apr 07 15:00:09 <mikk0> cant find any info on it with google
Apr 07 15:06:54 <elegos> I'm trying to use a JavascriptInterface in a WebView. I've enabled JS in the WebView's settings and added the Javascript interface to it, still it won't work properly. I've got some images with the attribute onClick="Android.myFunction(); alert('test');" - but it will simply be ignored... any hint?
Apr 07 15:11:18 <KungFuHamster> elegos, I just went through that!
Apr 07 15:11:34 <elegos> that's funny :P
Apr 07 15:11:43 <KungFuHamster> do you h ave @JavascriptInterface in front of the methods you're sharing?
Apr 07 15:11:53 <elegos> nope, that did the trick indeed
Apr 07 15:12:11 <KungFuHamster> oh, I'm too late then.. glad you figured it out though
Apr 07 15:12:25 <elegos> now I've got a more obscure error: Uncaught error: Error calling method on NPObject
Apr 07 15:12:29 <KungFuHamster> man, I've been idling in here for a couple weeks waiting for my chance to actually know something someone else didn't
Apr 07 15:12:39 <elegos> :)
Apr 07 15:13:18 <elegos> actually, the call is Android.myFunction("string"); - and the JavascriptInterface is public Void myFunction(String url)
Apr 07 15:13:27 <elegos> any idea on why it's getting that error?
Apr 07 15:13:52 <elegos> actually is Android.myFunction('string')
Apr 07 15:14:11 <elegos> maybe it doesn't like the char sequence as in apix?
Apr 07 15:14:26 <KungFuHamster> no idea
Apr 07 15:14:58 <elegos> that didn't do the trick <.<
Apr 07 15:16:29 <KungFuHamster> maybe you need to throw in some try catch blocks
Apr 07 15:17:13 <elegos> this is that's a Web core error
Apr 07 15:17:22 <elegos> I can't track where it's fired in my code
Apr 07 15:34:44 <do0ob> getContentResolver().delete(CONTENT_URI_LOCATION, LOCATION_KEY_PATH+" LIKE "+"'"+path+"%'", null);
Apr 07 15:36:40 <do0ob> how do i move path out of my where statement and into the argument array?
Apr 07 15:37:08 <do0ob> getContentResolver().delete(CONTENT_URI_LOCATION, LOCATION_KEY_PATH+" LIKE "+"'"+path+"%'", null);
Apr 07 15:37:10 <do0ob> how do i move path out of my where statement and into the argument array?
Apr 07 15:37:35 <elegos> how can I show a progress dialog within a Javascript Interface=
Apr 07 15:37:37 <elegos> ^
Apr 07 15:37:37 <elegos> ?
Apr 07 15:41:34 <elegos> ok, here it is how: myActivity.runOnUiThread(new Runnable(){...});
Apr 07 16:17:37 <Helsinkiii> hi guys!
Apr 07 16:18:09 <Helsinkiii> I'm looking to create an interface for a remote directory on my android app, where the user can see folders AS folders (and click on them) to reveal a list of files
Apr 07 16:18:27 <Helsinkiii> might sound silly to some and I'm probably overthinking this, but any tips would be appreicated!
Apr 07 16:21:36 <dragorn> Helsinkiii: probably overthinking it; yeah.  since there's not really an api for presenting filesystems you can kind of do wht you want
Apr 07 16:21:54 <dragorn> Helsinkiii: I'd probably do a rest interface to the remote server and a listview
Apr 07 16:21:59 <Helsinkiii> dragorn, that's what i thought...
Apr 07 16:22:09 <Helsinkiii> just a listview, huh.
Apr 07 16:22:26 <Helsinkiii> yeah ill just go to that then. somehow i thought there was a better way
Apr 07 16:22:38 <dragorn> depends how fancy you want the UI i suppose
Apr 07 16:22:50 <Helsinkiii> meh, just clickable folders
Apr 07 16:22:51 <dragorn> but a list view is a fairly standard method of presenting files
Apr 07 16:23:09 <Helsinkiii> with the right folder names
Apr 07 16:23:11 <dragorn> you can set folder icons for the folder entries and just have them descend either repopulating the same listview or nesting fragment sor something
Apr 07 16:23:36 <elegos> com.android.camera.CropImage - how can I pass the image I want to crop, and how can I retrieve the cropped drawable? I'm a little confused about it... thanks!
Apr 07 16:23:36 <dragorn> if you do clever fragment and backtrack linkage you can even use the back button to ascend; abs sherlock has some examples for that in their demo code
Apr 07 16:33:19 <KaiSVK> hello all
Apr 07 16:34:36 <osxorgate> whats the api to process a duration in seconds to something like "00:13" ?
Apr 07 16:35:23 <Quacked> Best way to get this into multiple columns? http://pastebin.com/VBaUXr7S
Apr 07 16:36:46 <Quacked> I want the variable in one column and something else from wordElements in another column
Apr 07 16:36:55 <Quacked> the variable word*
Apr 07 16:37:19 <Quacked> Atm its just one long list with the word variable
Apr 07 16:39:21 <elegos> osxorgate: tried with a timer? I'm a little confused on what you want to do with time
Apr 07 16:39:49 <osxorgate> elegos: someone does a puzzle in x seconds, i want to display this time like "01:23" meaning 1 minute, 23 seconds
Apr 07 16:40:16 <elegos> Quacked: do you want a table with two columns, or a listlayout with two subitems per item?
Apr 07 16:40:26 <mystiiq> if I have a rooted phone then how could I use libpcap library in my application (I compiled it already)?
Apr 07 16:40:47 <elegos> mystiiq: ask the libpcap guys?
Apr 07 16:41:25 <elegos> mystiiq: you should gain root first with su, I suppose (shell exec)
Apr 07 16:41:47 <elegos> osxorgate: you may use AlarmManager to proc every 1000 ms and refresh the UI timer
Apr 07 16:42:00 <hetii> Hmm
Apr 07 16:42:04 <osxorgate> elegos i need something that converts an int to a string :)
Apr 07 16:42:08 <Quacked> elegos: two columns
Apr 07 16:42:09 <mystiiq> elegos: I found this post: http://nerdposts.blogspot.com/2010/11/android-superuser-shared-jni-libs.html but it is not very verbose
Apr 07 16:42:41 <elegos> Quacked: do they need to be paired like a table, or two indipendent columns?
Apr 07 16:43:05 <elegos> osxorgate: Integer.decode("string");
Apr 07 16:43:35 <dragorn> osxorgate: Basic math.  value_in_seconds mod 60 is seconds.  value_in_seconds / 60 as in int is minutes.
Apr 07 16:43:40 <elegos> osxorgate: best practice is to have a local variable, integer, which is converted in string at each iteration btw...
Apr 07 16:43:51 <osxorgate> dragorn: yeah i know i just know there's some lib for it
Apr 07 16:44:08 <elegos> osxorgate: and not getting the string from the UI and convert every time, it's not optimized
Apr 07 16:44:19 <hetii> Interesting, i read a a lot of suggestions that each view that are showed for user should be made as a separate activity, but when i call 100 time some activity to start i suppose the new instance of it is created and handled till android will kill the old ones. Is it a really better way then just change the view ?
Apr 07 16:44:26 <elegos> osxorgate: no need for libs, it's very basic operation
Apr 07 16:44:27 <dragorn> osxorgate: why pull in a lib when it's 2 basic math functions?
Apr 07 16:44:43 <osxorgate> cause a million people have done it a million times
Apr 07 16:44:50 <osxorgate> but thanks anyway guys im already done :)
Apr 07 16:44:53 <Quacked> elegos: the source I use looks like this: "<TD>2</TD> <TD class="td_ord"><A HREF=X2ous.php?id=4568&ord=la Target = Blank>la</A></TD>" Where I grab the number 2 in the beginning and the text of the link "la" in the end. I want the first column to have the value 2 and the second LA. I want to be able to sort my results according to the first column (and then by alphabet if there are many at the same value in first column).
Apr 07 16:45:13 <osxorgate> if < 10 add "0", all that useless junk :(
Apr 07 16:45:16 <dragorn> yes.  a million people have done '%' and '/' a million times.  Doesn't make any less dead basic.
Apr 07 16:45:16 <elegos> hetii: Android will share the memory for the static contents of the activities, allocating only for the variables
Apr 07 16:46:53 <elegos> Quacked: you can easily do that with a custom layout for a ListView item, implementing in the adapter a collections sort algorithm which compares these custom pairs (HashMaps?)
Apr 07 16:46:55 <Quacked> elegos: I don't actually have to grab the first value since its basically just the length of the second value
Apr 07 16:47:39 <elegos> Quacked: http://www.vogella.com/blog/2009/08/04/collections-sort-java/ may help
Apr 07 16:47:55 <elegos> Quacked: and this: http://www.ezzylearning.com/tutorial.aspx?tid=1763429
Apr 07 16:49:39 <Quacked> yeah, found a few examples like that.. just wondered if there was a quicker way
Apr 07 16:49:40 <Quacked> thanks
Apr 07 16:49:54 <hetii> elegos: Somehow its hard for me to accept this philosophy with Activites. Its look like i need repeat a lot of my code for each activites or at least use abstract one that are inherited by the rest. Also the way for passing data between them are not nice one, cause need to use putExtra() for intent
Apr 07 16:49:54 <elegos> the easiest way is to setup a webview :P
Apr 07 16:50:22 <elegos> hetii: try out with one Activity to rule them all and fragments... you know, it's the standard since 3.0
Apr 07 16:50:47 <elegos> hetii: well, FEW activities... it's hard to keep all the app in one
Apr 07 16:50:50 <Quacked> elegos: thats no fun :P
Apr 07 16:51:21 <elegos> Quacked: yeah I know, but it was the quick'n'dirk way to avoid getting OOM with large images in my project :P
Apr 07 16:51:43 <elegos> How to say... why re-implement something's already done? :P
Apr 07 16:51:49 <Quacked> aha
Apr 07 16:54:23 <elegos> do you any of you know what's the proper wallpaper width, given the display's one?
Apr 07 16:54:49 <elegos> (launcher's wallpaper size)
Apr 07 17:01:32 <hetii> elegos: Ok I think will be good if someone will prepare show overview about this different pattern way of playing with content that is displayed for user... Another question, what in the case if i don`t want to allow user to back to old activites, so just have a main one and then depend on interaction display the new once, but if he decide to back then should return to main.
Apr 07 17:13:20 <elegos> hetii: call the finish() method
Apr 07 17:13:36 <elegos> that will end the activity and won't allow the user to go back via the back button
Apr 07 17:20:38 <enwary> Hi guys
Apr 07 17:22:01 <enwary> I'm making an app where you can login to my server and I'm using an android activity for the login which logs the user in and sends client object to my game activity class.
Apr 07 17:22:14 <Quacked> elegos: almost there, but Ievery row gets the last occurence of the search: http://pastebin.com/WjPs8c23
Apr 07 17:22:20 <Quacked> every*
Apr 07 17:22:53 <enwary> The problem is whenever I try to send my Client object to my second class with putExtra() it errors out
Apr 07 17:23:58 <elegos> Quacked: System.out.println(word.text());? Why don't you use Log.d/w/i/e?
Apr 07 17:24:16 <Quacked> elegos: cause that require an import :)
Apr 07 17:24:26 <Quacked> and I like the quickness of syou ctrl-space :)
Apr 07 17:25:07 <elegos> Quacked: slacker xD you should learn to use logcat :P - btw does that println work correctly?
Apr 07 17:25:46 <Quacked> hehe, I rarely do anything that tricky that I cant find sysout easy ;) .. but yes, it prints correctly
Apr 07 17:26:18 <Quacked> but if there are 23 hits and the last hit is "blabla", every row says 23 | blabla
Apr 07 17:26:43 <elegos> your map continues increasing size at each cycle... check this: http://pastebin.com/2khgRqtA
Apr 07 17:28:36 <Quacked> map.clear(); made no difference
Apr 07 17:29:02 <Quacked> thats the only difference I could see in your paste
Apr 07 17:29:08 <elegos> yep
Apr 07 17:29:44 <Quacked> but no change :/
Apr 07 17:30:16 <elegos> try to print out the list and see if it's OK
Apr 07 17:31:07 <Quacked> ok
Apr 07 17:31:43 <enwary> can anyone help me with my problem?
Apr 07 17:32:20 <elegos> enwary: your problem is not exposed correctly or you want us to make you the login process
Apr 07 17:33:09 <enwary> I have the login process sir
Apr 07 17:33:12 <elegos> enwary: I may suggest you using SSL connection to avoid sniffs out there, and use Json to pass data between the client and the server for the game objects
Apr 07 17:34:02 <elegos> ah didn't read a part
Apr 07 17:34:02 <Quacked> elegos: I printed myList after the for loop and it then showed the same value for each row
Apr 07 17:34:13 <enwary> I log in fine it's just sending the client object (I'm using java) to the second activity (the main game activity) gives and error.
Apr 07 17:34:58 <elegos> enwary: does your "objects" class implements parceable? Or do you pass each information field by field? Alternatively you may use a singleton
Apr 07 17:35:57 <enwary> I could just pass a single peice of data
Apr 07 17:36:01 <peto_> hello
Apr 07 17:36:16 <stork> question: do i need a wifi lock if I'm streaming audio, or will that be taken care of for me?
Apr 07 17:36:27 <Quacked> elegos: when I print myList within the for loop: the first print shows the first value on one row, the second shows the second value on two rows, the third shows the third value on three rows etc
Apr 07 17:36:54 <elegos> enwary: if you want to pass an object via Intent, you must put a parceable... and the object must implement it
Apr 07 17:37:07 <elegos> Quacked: dinner time... there must be something wrong in the for cycle
Apr 07 17:37:15 <elegos> Quacked: aaaah
Apr 07 17:37:20 <peto_> question: how could I run a simple .jar app in an android 4.1.1 device? or a .class applet?
Apr 07 17:38:01 <elegos> Quacked: try to declare map within the for cycle... maybe Android puts the pointer of the object and not a copy of it in the ArrayList
Apr 07 17:38:05 <elegos> dinner time!
Apr 07 17:38:15 <Quacked> ok, thanks. cya
Apr 07 17:40:13 <peto_> is it possible to run a .jar app?
Apr 07 17:40:17 <hetii> elegos: what will be the best place for this finish method? onPause ?:
Apr 07 17:41:13 <monsti> peto_: there is no way - android only runs apks
Apr 07 17:42:38 <peto_> monst: but I thought that Android is mainly programmed in Java, as are java .jar and java .class  programs
Apr 07 17:42:53 <peto_> monsti
Apr 07 17:43:02 <Quacked> elegos: workie :)
Apr 07 17:44:59 <peto_> I would like to run this: MovingFractalTree.jar  (or this MovingFractalTreeAntiAlias.jar), on an android device
Apr 07 17:45:29 <monsti> peto_: you can add jars as libraries to android
Apr 07 17:45:47 <monsti> peto_: you can't run java applications that use swing/awt/console stuff
Apr 07 17:46:33 <monsti> peto_: android runs apks, which contain dex compiled version of java clases + a lot of android specific stuff
Apr 07 17:46:36 <peto_> I think they don't use that, they are
Apr 07 17:46:46 <peto_> I think they don't use that, they are simple graphic apps
Apr 07 17:47:02 <monsti> peto_: i told you about fakts not about thoughts ;)
Apr 07 17:47:40 <monsti> peto_: you can't convert a rabbit to a horse - both eats gras
Apr 07 17:47:54 <peto_> and... what is the best android platform to develop android apps?
Apr 07 17:48:26 <peto_> and... what is the best ------ platform to develop android apps?
Apr 07 17:48:52 <monsti> google for android sdk
Apr 07 17:48:59 <peto_> k
Apr 07 17:49:15 <monsti> you fid a very nice tutorial on the android page including all the downloads you need
Apr 07 17:49:29 <peto_> I see, many thanks
Apr 07 17:50:39 <monsti> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
Apr 07 17:50:41 <monsti> start here
Apr 07 17:51:09 <peto_> yep!
Apr 07 17:56:02 <elegos> hetii: best place to use finish() is when you start the new activity
Apr 07 17:58:28 <agy2154> is there any way I can redo everything inside an array?
Apr 07 17:58:50 <agy2154> Or array list like {"a" ,"b"  "c" } after it was already intialized/
Apr 07 17:59:11 <elegos> agy2154: what do you mean by "redo everything"?
Apr 07 17:59:41 <agy2154> elegos, like clear and add. For example. 	String[] empty = new String[] { };
Apr 07 17:59:41 <agy2154>  in the field. Then on resume 	String[] empty = new String[] { "a"};
Apr 07 17:59:48 <elegos> hetii: something like finish(); /* setup your intent i */ Instance.startActivity(i);
Apr 07 18:00:25 <elegos> agy2154: you already wrote how to do that... just override it with a new String array
Apr 07 18:00:48 <hetii> elegos: and the code after finish() will be executed ?
Apr 07 18:00:55 <elegos> yep
Apr 07 18:01:00 <hetii> ok, thx
Apr 07 18:02:27 <agy2154> elegos, thanks but what if I resume my activity twice. Can I have two arrays of the same name/
Apr 07 18:02:35 <agy2154> or woudl that be a diffrent instance of it.
Apr 07 18:03:05 <elegos> agy2154: how could you ever have two variables with the same name within the same namespace?
Apr 07 18:03:28 <elegos> when you overwrite the previous array, the old one is being garbaged
Apr 07 18:03:33 <agy2154> ahh
Apr 07 18:03:51 <elegos> and the garbage collector will trash it at the next cycle
Apr 07 18:03:53 <agy2154> elegos, how would I garabe it on C#?
Apr 07 18:04:35 <elegos> agy2154: just in the same way. If you want to avoid to use the garbage collector (because the GC is evil), you may destroy the object first, which deallocate the memory
Apr 07 18:05:12 <agy2154> Yeah. Thank you  for heping me.
Apr 07 18:14:30 <hetii> elegos: here   http://lh4.ggpht.com/_OHO4y8YcQbs/TQFQZTft6OI/AAAAAAAAMpY/hAloaii6kRA/s800/gd7.png we can see some component that i suppose use quickaction is it possible to have it without assigning to any component like button just displayed in the center of activity?
Apr 07 18:14:45 <hetii> or should i suse popup menu for that?
Apr 07 18:16:19 <elegos> I've never used the QuickAction component, but you should get an idea on how to do that reading this: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/menus.html
Apr 07 18:16:34 <elegos> in particular ActionBar (if using Android 3.0+ as min SDK)
Apr 07 18:16:43 <elegos> and Popup Menu ofc
Apr 07 18:16:50 <canadiancow> or use ActionBarSherlock on 2.1+
Apr 07 18:19:53 <hetii> ok need to read more ...
Apr 07 18:28:00 <Quacked> I do this to sort my ListView by first column which is a bunch of numbers. But it lists number 10,11 and 12 above 1,2,3. How can I fix this? http://pastebin.com/PGGv3JYv
Apr 07 18:29:38 <elegos> Quacked: character "1" comes before character "2"
Apr 07 18:29:46 <elegos> Quacked: i.e. you need to compare numbers, not strings
Apr 07 18:29:51 <SimonVT> It's a number, yet tha data type is a string..
Apr 07 18:30:20 <elegos> Integer.decode(mapping1.get("number"))
Apr 07 18:30:32 <elegos> btw, if that's a number, why do you store it as a String?
Apr 07 18:30:35 <Quacked> ah, do the parsing there was clever, hehe
Apr 07 18:30:51 <Quacked> HashMap<int, String> wanted dimensions or something
Apr 07 18:30:51 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 07 18:31:01 <elegos> HashMap<Integer, String>
Apr 07 18:31:08 <elegos> HashMap wants classes, not types
Apr 07 18:31:11 <Quacked> I just realized
Apr 07 18:31:15 * Quacked facepalm
Apr 07 18:31:18 <Quacked> +s
Apr 07 18:31:19 <elegos> lol
Apr 07 18:33:23 <SimonVT> Use SparseArray<String>
Apr 07 18:35:14 <elegos> is myIntent.setDataAndType(Uri, type) the same as myIntent's extras.putParceable("data", myBitmap)?
Apr 07 18:39:47 <Quacked> elegos: I wanted to try your example first, the return "Integer.decode(mapping1.get("number")).compareTo(Integer.decode(mapping2.get("number")));" While it sorts the number fine, how can I make sure column 2 gets sorted alphabetically when there are multiple objects with the same number in column 1?
Apr 07 18:40:32 <elegos> Quacked: save the compare. If compare == 0, compare the items by 2nd column field
Apr 07 18:45:39 <Quacked> You mean something like this? http://pastebin.com/7MEUTaUD
Apr 07 18:45:48 <Quacked> I know not exactly like this, since that doesnt work :P
Apr 07 18:46:41 <Quacked> wait, I had the wrong string
Apr 07 18:46:45 <Quacked> name != word
Apr 07 18:46:46 <Quacked> :D
Apr 07 18:47:20 <Kottizen> Hi everyone. I'm making an app where users can sign in. What's the popup thing that many other apps show along with the text 'Signing in...' called?
Apr 07 18:47:34 <Quacked> it worked :)
Apr 07 18:50:25 <elegos> Kottizen: you're too vague
Apr 07 18:51:45 <coco89> Hey guys, I was wondering.  My app scans a tag and automatically fires up an activity.  Is there a way to check whether the user is logged in first before firing up that activity when the scan is tagged?
Apr 07 18:51:52 <coco89> *tag is scanned rather
Apr 07 18:51:53 <coco89> loool
Apr 07 18:52:36 <Kottizen> elegos: This is an example of what I mean: http://katja.kottnet.net/phone/loading.png
Apr 07 18:54:29 <Quacked> Kottizen: the symbol is a ProgressBar at least
Apr 07 18:54:30 <elegos> That's a ProgressDialog
Apr 07 18:55:00 <elegos> ProgressDialog.show(...)
Apr 07 18:55:08 <elegos> that returns an instance of ProgressDialog
Apr 07 18:55:29 <elegos> i.e. to dismiss it when the login is successful
Apr 07 18:55:34 <AnTi_MTtr> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Proscan-PLT7033D-with-WiFi-7-Touchscreen-Tablet-PC-Featuring-Android-4.1-Jelly-Bean-Operating-System/23091471?_mm=
Apr 07 18:55:40 <AnTi_MTtr> too good to be true?
Apr 07 18:55:49 <AnTi_MTtr> 70 bucks i wonder how long they last
Apr 07 18:56:04 <AnTi_MTtr> looks like a good tablet on paper
Apr 07 18:56:16 <elegos> AnTi_MTtr: probably 4 hours with a single core @ 800 Mhz
Apr 07 18:56:31 <AnTi_MTtr> 1.2ghz
Apr 07 18:56:33 <Kottizen> elegos, Quacked: Thanks! :)
Apr 07 18:56:35 <coco89> timroes, oh hi :) I was wondering. Is there a way to check whether the user is logged in first before firing up that activity when the scan is tagged?
Apr 07 18:57:23 <AnTi_MTtr> jelly bean should be fine for developing apps right?
Apr 07 18:57:31 <FunkyELF> What is a good platform to develop a restful web service on if I want to use push notifictions to Android devices?
Apr 07 18:57:37 <AnTi_MTtr> i can still use the libusb libraries
Apr 07 18:57:38 <AnTi_MTtr> i hope
Apr 07 18:58:20 <monsti> FunkyELF: i use windows 2008r2 with .net 4.0 and WCF
Apr 07 18:58:43 <FunkyELF> WCF?  is that an Azure thing?
Apr 07 18:59:20 <monsti> FunkyELF: no
Apr 07 18:59:27 <monsti> azure has also some wcf
Apr 07 18:59:38 <monsti> but wcf is part of .net since 3.0
Apr 07 18:59:45 <timroes> coco89: yeah just implement a login in your own class, and check if user is logged in when the tag is received :)
Apr 07 19:00:01 <Quacked> Sooo.. why are these Strings not aligned left ( http://bildr.no/image/1433923.jpeg ) when this is my row.xml: http://pastebin.com/qa5WXA1C ?
Apr 07 19:00:01 <Sicp> any help with this would really be appreciated, guise. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15856970/creating-android-overlays-for-displaying-walk-through
Apr 07 19:00:50 <FunkyELF> monsti: and you use that to serve a restful web service?  Is it a framework of some sort like django or Google webapp?
Apr 07 19:01:37 <monsti> Sicp: my answer to that is custom dialog or 2nd activity ontop of the start activity
Apr 07 19:01:41 <coco89> timroes, but if you scan the tag it will automatically go to the main activity. I'd like to implement in if statement so that it goes to the login activity if the user isn't logged in.  or continue if it isn't
Apr 07 19:01:45 <coco89> *is
Apr 07 19:02:04 <Sicp> hmmmmm
Apr 07 19:02:10 <monsti> FunkyELF: in wcf you define datacontracts or service contracts
Apr 07 19:02:11 <SimonVT> Quacked: Weight distributes leftover space.. Since you're first measuring the views as wrap_content, the leftover space varies
Apr 07 19:02:30 <Sicp> so the ontop one would as a whole have an opacity of some 50% and that would make the one under it show?
Apr 07 19:02:41 <monsti> FunkyELF: then you tell the framework how to make use of this abstract stuff - e.g. binary, json, rest, soap, ...
Apr 07 19:02:51 <Sicp> launch 1st activity --> launch 2nd activity (with opacity 50) after that?
Apr 07 19:02:57 <monsti> Sicp: yes
Apr 07 19:03:08 <Sicp> but seems brutish, man
Apr 07 19:03:22 <Sicp> CommonsWare seems much more elegant and meant to have been done in that manner
Apr 07 19:03:29 <monsti> Sicp: yeah but poluting the main layout with onetime stuff is very bad
Apr 07 19:03:30 <Sicp> just wondering
Apr 07 19:03:42 <Sicp> good point
Apr 07 19:04:17 <Sicp> I'm going to try that
Apr 07 19:04:41 <monsti> also i would investigate some time e.g. stealing the code from a popup
Apr 07 19:04:59 <monsti> placing elements dependent on a parent view would also make sense
Apr 07 19:05:28 <monsti> e.g. when you  run your app on a phone, a 7" tablet and a 10" tablet and a xxdpi tablet
Apr 07 19:08:07 <coco89> i odnt get it
Apr 07 19:08:10 <coco89> *dont
Apr 07 19:11:46 <coco89> timroes, but if you scan the tag it will automatically go to the main activity. I'd like to implement in if statement so that it goes to the login activity if the user isn't logged in.  or continue if it isn't
Apr 07 19:11:50 <coco89> woops
Apr 07 19:12:11 <timroes> coco89: yeah do it
Apr 07 19:13:10 <coco89> timroes, but if I implement the if statement, that would mean that the main activity has already been started. but the user isn't suppoes to be on the main activity until logged in
Apr 07 19:16:16 <coco89> brb
Apr 07 19:16:25 <timroes> just forward him to the login activity
Apr 07 19:23:14 <Quacked> SimonVT: oh, I see.. thanks :)
Apr 07 19:29:22 <monsti> google in their great wisdom decided to nagg me with a pin
Apr 07 19:29:25 <monsti> wtf :(
Apr 07 19:29:31 <monsti> i want a user certificate
Apr 07 19:29:40 <monsti> without sucking my thumb
Apr 07 19:30:16 <Sicp> all works, monsti
Apr 07 19:31:24 <Sicp> ty
Apr 07 19:35:37 <coco89> timroes, I've put the if statement in the onCreate() method but when I scan the tag it goes straight to the main activity stil :S
Apr 07 19:35:56 <coco89> in the onCreate() of the main activity
Apr 07 19:44:33 <JuiceSSH> Does anyone in here have a device with a hardware slide-out keyboard and 10mins to help test an upcoming version of our SSH client?
Apr 07 19:44:41 <maarek> Has anyone ever used Restlet for http/s communications on Android?
Apr 07 19:52:40 <ninharp> JuiceSSH, i got a droid x as dev device
Apr 07 19:53:01 <ninharp> and i tried out IntelliJ, seems lot more stable than Eclipse
Apr 07 19:54:59 <ninharp> especially the layout designer
Apr 07 19:55:08 <JuiceSSH> IntelliJ is so much nicer on my macbook air with 2GB ram
Apr 07 19:55:57 <timroes> coco89: paste it
Apr 07 19:56:09 <JuiceSSH> Our last release stopped people being able to enter symbols in SSH sessions with slide-out keyboards. I'm pretty sure we've fixed it but we're still waiting for our slide-out keyboard test device from ebay
Apr 07 19:56:11 <ninharp> But what i use for now? ... Its a chicken-egg situation ...
Apr 07 19:56:15 <MajorZero> for some reason the images i use for each tab of my tabhost, seem shrinked within the tab...is there anyway to make the images cover the entire area of the tab??
Apr 07 19:56:18 <JuiceSSH> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35228189/juicessh-1.2.8-altfix.apk
Apr 07 19:56:37 <JuiceSSH> If you get a chance, and have something to SSH into can you give that a whirl on the droid?
Apr 07 19:56:51 <ninharp> i try.. mom
Apr 07 20:01:10 <ninharp> JuiceSSH, what symbols do you mean?
Apr 07 20:01:17 <ninharp> it seems to be working
Apr 07 20:02:04 <JuiceSSH> Using the ALT key
Apr 07 20:02:15 <ninharp> no problem
Apr 07 20:02:22 <ninharp> worked on the droid
Apr 07 20:02:25 <JuiceSSH> Before, if you pressed ALT on the slide-out keyboard it wouldn't detect the keypress
Apr 07 20:02:28 <JuiceSSH> Awesome - thanks
Apr 07 20:03:12 <ninharp> no problem
Apr 07 20:04:20 <ninharp> hey P3nnyw1se
Apr 07 20:04:23 <MajorZero> any suggestions for the tab problem?
Apr 07 20:04:43 <P3nnyw1se> sup ? :)
Apr 07 20:05:19 <Quacked> Uhm. Why is my listview cleared when I tilt my device to horizontal? Also, whats that called again? :P
Apr 07 20:05:54 <P3nnyw1se> I'm trying to look at Android 2d Engines for Eclipse
Apr 07 20:05:57 <P3nnyw1se> https://github.com/nicolasgramlich/AndEngine
Apr 07 20:06:10 <P3nnyw1se> I've never tried anything like this.. I have to just manually copy all this into a project ?
Apr 07 20:09:17 <ninharp> i think so, if you look into the examples
Apr 07 20:10:38 <P3nnyw1se> I need a nice tutorial so I can see someone actually construct a small game
Apr 07 20:10:40 <P3nnyw1se> hmmm
Apr 07 20:13:43 <gkatsev> is it possible to get a File pointed to a raw resource?
Apr 07 20:16:48 <P3nnyw1se> I wonder how big a change you would have to apply, if you like made a game just in java.. and then wanted to adapt it to android
Apr 07 20:18:39 <coco89> timroes, http://www.privatepaste.com/444d1eaeeb
Apr 07 20:20:36 <timroes> yeah and where do you expect to launch your login activity?
Apr 07 20:22:13 <coco89> timroes, I have Intent i = new Intent("android.intent.action.MAIN");
Apr 07 20:22:14 <coco89>  in the else { .. }
Apr 07 20:22:42 <coco89> timroes, which is currently the action name for the login activity
Apr 07 20:23:45 <Quacked> I fixed it with android:configChanges="keyboardHidden|orientation|screenSize"
Apr 07 20:25:24 <Quacked> Anyways. I'm making an app that only needs one activity (MainActivity), and when user clicks button in it, theres a ListView showing underneath. Whats the best way of having first press on back key clear that listview and the second click exit the app?
Apr 07 20:28:54 <timroes> coco89: you should read http://developer.android.com/guide/components/intents-filters.html
Apr 07 20:31:29 <coco89> timroes, which part specifically
Apr 07 20:34:10 <coco89> :S
Apr 07 20:36:02 <timroes> the whole
Apr 07 20:37:03 <coco89> timroes, but that was the correct way to start an activity though :S
Apr 07 20:37:45 <timroes> then read the article again
Apr 07 20:37:50 <timroes> until you got how to start a specific activity
Apr 07 20:37:55 <timroes> sorry, but this is really plain basics
Apr 07 20:38:00 <timroes> very well covered in this article
Apr 07 20:38:24 <coco89> timroes, ah okay i'm reading now
Apr 07 20:46:18 <Quacked> Hmm. I do "if (helpText.getVisibility() == View.INVISIBLE) {" in onKeyDown() on the back key, but I get nullpointer since helpText is null. How do I fix this?
Apr 07 20:58:12 <wantToKnow> Anyone familiar w/ the UtteranceProgressListener class?
Apr 07 21:01:04 <Quacked> Nevermind. Made it. :)
Apr 07 21:01:51 <kaneda^> heh, i was gonna say either check if it's null or make sure it isnt null!
Apr 07 21:02:13 <Quacked> it worked I initialized it in onCreate :)
Apr 07 21:02:19 <Quacked> I was being stupid :P
Apr 07 21:02:41 <kaneda^> happens to the best of us ;p
Apr 07 21:02:45 <Quacked> ;)
Apr 07 21:03:25 <wantToKnow> Can someone help me with the UtteranceProgressListener?
Apr 07 21:08:48 <coco89> timroes, I have no idea what I should be looking at
Apr 07 21:10:26 <timroes> Intent Resolution the first point "explicit intents"
Apr 07 21:10:36 <coco89> ah thanks
Apr 07 21:10:42 <timroes> you want to create your intent like Intent i = new Intent(this, LogiNActivity.class);
Apr 07 21:12:21 <KeyboardNotFound> which ide you recommend me to use for development android apps ?
Apr 07 21:12:36 <ninharp> P3nnyw1se, the AndEngine is quiet cool
Apr 07 21:13:51 <coco89> timroes, I get a runtime exception , unable to pause activity
Apr 07 21:14:37 <P3nnyw1se> ninharp I think I need to find some good tutorials..
Apr 07 21:14:47 <P3nnyw1se> before throwing myself at it.. but yes been looking at the AndEgine
Apr 07 21:14:55 <coco89> oh wait
Apr 07 21:14:55 <timroes> :D
Apr 07 21:15:02 <timroes> andengine... tutorials
Apr 07 21:15:04 <timroes> good..
Apr 07 21:15:17 <timroes> i wish you good luck with that :)
Apr 07 21:15:26 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, still?
Apr 07 21:15:29 <ninharp> timroes, what about it?
Apr 07 21:15:33 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, you could have written your game in unity by now ;)
Apr 07 21:15:43 <coco89> it's working thanks tim
Apr 07 21:15:51 <timroes> ninharp: documentation of andengine is pretty bad
Apr 07 21:15:53 <coco89> i need to read that intent thing though
Apr 07 21:16:09 * P3nnyw1se slaps kaneda^ around a bit with a large trout
Apr 07 21:16:09 <coco89> the intent filter documentation is worse
Apr 07 21:16:10 <ninharp> timroes, ah ok
Apr 07 21:16:18 <P3nnyw1se> I'm not going C# :P
Apr 07 21:16:31 <timroes> also have been several threads abotu that in their forum, that went like "suggestion-discussion-rage-postpone"
Apr 07 21:16:43 * kaneda^ eats P3nnyw1se's trout
Apr 07 21:16:53 <timroes> the source code is neraly not documented at all, there is no official documentation
Apr 07 21:17:20 <P3nnyw1se> RACISM!
Apr 07 21:18:16 <ninharp> timroes, u know something similar?
Apr 07 21:18:34 <timroes> unfortunately nothing exactly like that
Apr 07 21:18:43 <timroes> friend of mine did some comparision some time ago
Apr 07 21:18:48 <timroes> he ended up with libgdx as the winner
Apr 07 21:19:12 <timroes> since you also have the possibility to let it run on different platforms (though programming aims towards android)
Apr 07 21:19:49 <P3nnyw1se> why is there just NO good guides out there
Apr 07 21:19:50 <ninharp> i will try both tomorrow
Apr 07 21:19:59 <timroes> but for my personal taste, andengine was the closest to android and as such best possibility to merge it with other android stuff
Apr 07 21:20:25 <timroes> though i think libgdx is a bit more widespread than andengine
Apr 07 21:20:52 <timroes> e.g. ingress is made with it :)
Apr 07 21:25:44 <coco89> timroes, the first time I scan the tag, it goes the login activity refreshes, and then the second time it goes to main activity :\
Apr 07 21:26:06 <timroes> yeah this is covered in this chapter: http://developer.android.com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/index.html
Apr 07 21:26:14 <timroes> first training in getting started section
Apr 07 21:26:22 <coco89> oh yeh
Apr 07 21:26:24 <coco89> so it goes to pause
Apr 07 21:26:27 <coco89> and then it goes to resume
Apr 07 21:26:30 <coco89> because it's already created
Apr 07 21:26:35 <timroes> yeah :)
Apr 07 21:26:37 <boytoy> Hi. Anybody know a neat way of outlining the functionality of ones apps kinda like https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9sfnvZid2MM/UVr8amRi7EI/AAAAAAAAq48/qY2pWUoLakA/s901/slides.003.png ?
Apr 07 21:26:50 <coco89> ah
Apr 07 21:27:02 <stork> so my fucking eclipse export is giving me "Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1", any idea where I can find any logs to figure out what is going wrong?
Apr 07 21:27:10 <timroes> boytoy: you mean a tool to create that kind of diagrams?
Apr 07 21:27:26 <boytoy> yes
Apr 07 21:27:35 <boytoy> or maybe some open standard for how to organize such info etc.
Apr 07 21:27:40 <timroes> you can use nearly every diagram tool available there
Apr 07 21:27:56 <timroes> e.g. google drive contain a lot of mindmap and diagram apps
Apr 07 21:28:18 <boytoy> cool
Apr 07 21:28:32 <boytoy> could you recommend one though, i'd rather not have to sift through hundreds of them if u know what i mean :)
Apr 07 21:29:00 <timroes> unfortunately not really. i do that kind of stuff mostly on paper
Apr 07 21:29:09 <timroes> i have used cacoo , that is not bad, but not for that use case
Apr 07 21:29:18 <timroes> it might be a bit overpowered for that simple kind of tasks
Apr 07 21:29:30 <timroes> cacoo is nice, because it also integrates in hangouts and live editing
Apr 07 21:29:50 <boytoy> hehe paper :)
Apr 07 21:29:53 <boytoy> nice!
Apr 07 21:30:11 <timroes> fastest and after cleanup you can still put it into some digital form
Apr 07 21:30:43 <timroes> by looking through the app list Sketchboard.Me also doesn't look bad
Apr 07 21:32:37 <timroes> for offline work and production of graphs for papers i mostly use yED (http://www.yworks.com/de/products_yed_about.html)
Apr 07 21:33:03 <timroes> but not sure if its the best for planning phase, since in my opinion most important factor in that phase is, the program must be fast (in use)
Apr 07 21:34:33 <boytoy> well im actually about to finalize the app, just looking for a way to visualize its function rather than writing some ol boring README
Apr 07 21:34:51 <boytoy> * its functionality
Apr 07 21:35:02 <P3nnyw1se> must be SOME tutorial out there along with an engine :P
Apr 07 21:35:27 <boytoy> maybe http://kenneth.kufluk.com/google/js-mindmap/ ?
Apr 07 21:36:15 <timroes> boytoy: in that case you could alos just use the drawing program in google drive
Apr 07 21:36:25 <timroes> or a regular drawing program :)
Apr 07 21:36:30 <g00s> stork: obviously, thats not eclipse. i think it was a bug in dx. are you using proguard ?
Apr 07 21:36:38 <boytoy> yeah :)
Apr 07 21:36:39 <stork> i'm not
Apr 07 21:36:47 <g00s> i got that with proguard, hmm
Apr 07 21:37:07 <stork> and that's semantics, eclipse is building my project for me and swallowing any relevant outpout.
Apr 07 21:37:10 <boytoy> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9sfnvZid2MM/UVr8amRi7EI/AAAAAAAAq48/qY2pWUoLakA/s901/slides.003.png was actually created by roman nurik the world's most talented android designer maybe i should ask him directly
Apr 07 21:37:23 <g00s> stork: ok do a command line build
Apr 07 21:37:32 <stork> that would be a pain in the ass
Apr 07 21:37:39 <g00s> ..
Apr 07 21:38:06 <timroes> boytoy: i know the slide, and i would guess it was made with illustrator :)
Apr 07 21:38:16 <timroes> or photoshop
Apr 07 21:38:19 <g00s> timroes: yEd is pretty damn cool :D
Apr 07 21:38:33 <g00s> more of a graph drawing tool, but i used it for vizio like stuff
Apr 07 21:39:02 <timroes> its pretty powerful, so perhaps i will also give it a try for that mockup stuff
Apr 07 21:39:08 <timroes> actually never occured to me to use it :D
Apr 07 21:39:27 <boytoy> hmmm
Apr 07 21:40:02 <timroes> i guess they do their slides with that, but not sure if they ever told
Apr 07 21:40:10 <timroes> they only told how they did the high fidelity mockups
Apr 07 21:40:36 <timroes> and last time that has been made with illustrator (usually photoshop), so I would guess they also do the slides (since its just images too) also with that prog
Apr 07 21:41:16 <boytoy> wouldnt it be easier to only havin to deal with a few lines of code and slap on some js library or whatever as opposed to dealing with pixels, shapes and fonts in adobe cs?
Apr 07 21:42:35 <boytoy> http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1093025 or.. wait for it.. wait for it... http://www.findtheconversation.com/concept-map# BAM!!
Apr 07 21:42:47 <boytoy> lol nah just kidding
Apr 07 21:42:58 <timroes> remeber designers, not coders :)
Apr 07 21:43:12 <boytoy> sorry?
Apr 07 21:43:14 <timroes> i know started using reveal.js, what is quite nice for js presentations :)
Apr 07 21:43:24 <boytoy> oh yeah
Apr 07 21:43:27 <timroes> they mgiht not prefere writing many lines of code, instead of using photoshop :D
Apr 07 21:43:34 <boytoy> i think i heard about that
Apr 07 21:43:54 <boytoy> good point yeah..
Apr 07 21:44:18 <boytoy> http://mbostock.github.io/d3/talk/20111116/pack-hierarchy.html is another cool one for what it's worth
Apr 07 21:44:39 <boytoy> looking like some crazy cell model
Apr 07 21:48:21 <boytoy> gonna settle with http://mbostock.github.io/d3/talk/20111018/tree.html thanks yall
Apr 07 21:48:56 <Agro> I'm using listFiles() on a File representing a directory. And then I'm looping through it. Apparently, I get a null pointer exception on it sometimes, but not all the time. Any ideas?
Apr 07 21:53:45 <monsti> you can't open any directory
Apr 07 21:54:57 <Agro> monsti, you can list the files in it though
Apr 07 21:55:13 <Agro> It works most of the time, then it randomly doesn't.
Apr 07 21:55:44 <wantToKnow> how do you implement the UtteranceProgressListener?
Apr 07 22:03:25 <P3nnyw1se> http://www.packtpub.com/andengine-for-android-game-development-cookbook/book
Apr 07 22:03:31 <P3nnyw1se> what do you think about this book ?... thinking about getting it
Apr 07 22:04:00 <agy2154> Can I use Admob if I am banned from adsense?
Apr 07 22:04:31 <g00s> agy2154: ads are for chumps
Apr 07 22:04:52 <agy2154> haha
Apr 07 22:05:02 <agy2154> what to pros do then?
Apr 07 22:05:23 <g00s> you haven't read any one the dozens of stats saying they are probably the worst way to monetize?
Apr 07 22:05:32 <g00s> in app billing seems to do well
Apr 07 22:05:45 <g00s> i mean, if you have functionality worth billing for ;)
Apr 07 22:06:12 <agy2154> Not sure if I do. Im not going to do ads but Im kinda pissed that I got banned form adsense.
Apr 07 22:06:23 <g00s> wth did you do :)
Apr 07 22:06:28 <agy2154> 2 years ago. Then I tried to make a new account and they banned that one too.
Apr 07 22:06:47 <agy2154> I honestly wanted to see if the clicks were registereing so I clicked it 2-3 times.
Apr 07 22:08:43 <agy2154> g00s, that was with my moms name thoguh. Do you think I might be able to make one myself without getting banned?
Apr 07 22:08:54 <g00s> dunno
Apr 07 22:09:04 <g00s> i dont waste my time with that crap
Apr 07 22:09:28 <P3nnyw1se> found it online pdf 380 pages
Apr 07 22:09:34 <P3nnyw1se> bam bam.. time to learn how to make games
Apr 07 22:09:46 <P3nnyw1se> see you later losers when I will have 40-50 downloads of my 1$ game
Apr 07 22:10:08 <agy2154> P3nnyw1se, wtf lmao.
Apr 07 22:10:12 <P3nnyw1se> :P
Apr 07 22:10:16 <agy2154> P3nnyw1se, don't you already know how to do that stuff?
Apr 07 22:10:26 <agy2154> P3nnyw1se, I thought you were one of the profiicents
Apr 07 22:10:39 <P3nnyw1se> nice
Apr 07 22:10:40 <P3nnyw1se> well
Apr 07 22:10:42 <P3nnyw1se> you were wrong
Apr 07 22:10:43 <P3nnyw1se> :)
Apr 07 22:10:56 <P3nnyw1se> I've never attempted myself with a game
Apr 07 22:11:19 <P3nnyw1se> but I already have this idea.. imagine you have a gun.. and when you shoot into a wall.. it creates like a blackhole in the wall and you can jump into it.. and then reappear somewhere else
Apr 07 22:11:54 <Siphion> lol
Apr 07 22:12:17 <Siphion> yeah, you should put a cake in that game too
Apr 07 22:12:28 <P3nnyw1se> sounds dumb? .hmmm
Apr 07 22:12:28 <P3nnyw1se> alright.. imagine that you're a medieval assassin who jumps around on rooftops with knives.. getting missions about killing people
Apr 07 22:13:09 <P3nnyw1se> wow.. this idea just came to me... I'm thinking.. aggressive animals.. who get their property stolen by green pigs ?
Apr 07 22:13:40 <P3nnyw1se> imagine how hard it must be as a director, game or movie to explain a producer your idea
Apr 07 22:14:05 <P3nnyw1se> "So imagine that you can fall asleep, and then you can go into a persons dream.. but then like you can go further into another dream.. all the way to a dream that might KILL YOU"
Apr 07 22:14:12 <P3nnyw1se> Producer: pfff.. alright Nolan.. how much you want?
Apr 07 22:14:34 <Siphion> XD
Apr 07 22:26:50 <agy2154> Do you think google will let me appeal my adsense ban?
Apr 07 22:28:04 <pragma-> just create a new account
Apr 07 22:28:07 <P3nnyw1se> arghQ!
Apr 07 22:28:09 <P3nnyw1se> 2) GLES2 (which uses OpenGL ES 2) is the new version of AndEngine which Nicolas currently supports. By the way, this version is not compatible with the emulator in Eclipse, so you will have to debug by using an Android phone connected to your PC via USB
Apr 07 22:28:32 <P3nnyw1se> this .. will not STAND! .. I'm not having an android device for a few weeks..
Apr 07 22:28:37 <P3nnyw1se> dammit. on to next Engine
Apr 07 22:28:59 <agy2154> pragma-, They will probably ban that one too.
Apr 07 22:29:06 <agy2154> pragma-, can I lie about my age?
Apr 07 22:29:35 <pragma-> there are no rules; the world is full of actions and consequences.
Apr 07 22:30:29 <agy2154> pragma-, is that something google will be concerned about? Like I made naother account I got banned though. Could it be because I used both accounts on the same IP?
Apr 07 22:30:41 <P3nnyw1se> google.... concerned....
Apr 07 22:30:42 <P3nnyw1se> :)
Apr 07 22:31:07 <agy2154> P3nnyw1se, haha what do you mean?
Apr 07 22:31:49 <agy2154> I don't know what to do
Apr 07 22:31:55 <agy2154> ill join #adsense
Apr 07 22:33:23 <P3nnyw1se> so many engines
Apr 07 22:33:25 <P3nnyw1se> which one to pick
Apr 07 22:34:27 <agy2154> P3nnyw1se, unity
Apr 07 22:34:29 <tnzr> P3nnyw1se: use libgdx, you can write/test the app in desktop form and it will also deploy to android
Apr 07 22:35:19 <P3nnyw1se> any good tutorials along with it? .. I was very intrigued by AndEngine at first.. cause they even wrote a book with it 380pages
Apr 07 22:35:31 <P3nnyw1se> and I would very much like source material. not just the code
Apr 07 22:35:38 <tnzr> P3nnyw1se: the vid on this screen should be more than enough to get you started:  http://libgdx.badlogicgames.com/documentation.html
Apr 07 22:36:12 <tnzr> it contains all kinds of libs so you can start making your game right away
Apr 07 22:36:51 <tnzr> including box2d and bulletphysics, also: http://code.google.com/p/libgdx/wiki/Introduction
Apr 07 22:36:55 <P3nnyw1se> hm...
Apr 07 22:37:02 <P3nnyw1se> seems like something I should try
Apr 07 22:37:08 <tnzr> its very easy to get it up and running
Apr 07 22:37:26 <P3nnyw1se> aha!
Apr 07 22:37:28 <P3nnyw1se> it has a book
Apr 07 22:38:56 <tnzr> it also will deploy your game to iOS and webGL, if that's what you're into
Apr 07 22:39:28 <P3nnyw1se> maybe eventually at first I just really wanna learn a lot of basics
Apr 07 22:49:23 <P3nnyw1se> google web toolkit
Apr 07 22:49:26 <P3nnyw1se> is not in the android SDK?
Apr 07 22:55:44 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, the name implies it's for the web...
Apr 07 22:56:46 <P3nnyw1se> I just thought I had seen it on the list
Apr 07 22:56:52 <P3nnyw1se> Android SDK have so many google plugins
Apr 07 22:57:56 <P3nnyw1se> enough for today... gotta go to sleep and gotta work tomorrow.. and hopefully then I will get 2-3 hours so I can read my newly downloaded book
Apr 07 22:57:59 <P3nnyw1se> about this engine
Apr 07 22:58:39 <kaneda^> :D
Apr 07 22:58:42 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, nice
Apr 07 22:58:43 <kaneda^> good luck
Apr 07 22:59:05 <P3nnyw1se> thx.. I know most of you just download the source code and start reading the docs
Apr 07 22:59:14 <P3nnyw1se> but this is what works for me.. a book that tells me the ABCs :)
Apr 07 22:59:21 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, you should do what works for you
Apr 07 22:59:39 <kaneda^> i tend to like to dive in because i'm very impatient when it comes to development
Apr 07 22:59:42 <P3nnyw1se> its kinda scary how easy it is to find PDF versions of pretty much every book out there..
Apr 07 22:59:43 <kaneda^> i like to see things happen
Apr 07 22:59:49 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, true
Apr 07 23:00:16 <P3nnyw1se> well maybe I just dont have the programming skills at this point to just dive in
Apr 07 23:00:28 <P3nnyw1se> but I bet readnig a book about an engine can't hurt
Apr 07 23:00:43 <P3nnyw1se> I hope its kinda like learning instruments.. it gets a little easier each time you learn a new one
Apr 07 23:00:58 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, sort of, especially if it's in the same paradigm
Apr 07 23:01:13 <kaneda^> you begin to see how everything is just a way of thinking related to the paradigm, with specific rules for each one
Apr 07 23:01:32 <P3nnyw1se> the book says that I don't need any android development behind me... and only need short introduction to java..
Apr 07 23:01:37 <kaneda^> so it becomes a bigger question of how to use object orientation within the construct of the language instead of figuring out the language
Apr 07 23:01:43 <P3nnyw1se> thats nice.. its a first for me reading a book where I'm over qualified :D
Apr 07 23:02:24 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, maybe it's not advanced enough
Apr 07 23:03:05 <P3nnyw1se> well if it isn't I will run through it quickly.. and then I've learned a little and can move on to more advanced
Apr 07 23:03:30 <P3nnyw1se> but the thing is.. while I did java applications for 5-6 months 'nothing pretty or major though'
Apr 07 23:03:38 <P3nnyw1se> I never once attempted a game.. so I wanna learn from the basics
Apr 07 23:03:44 <kaneda^> 5-6 months isn't a long time
Apr 07 23:04:12 <P3nnyw1se> nope well I'm no java expert either
Apr 07 23:04:13 <kaneda^> developing a game will be really useful i think
Apr 07 23:04:27 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, i started learning java 9 years ago, i still dont think i'm an expert
Apr 07 23:04:56 <P3nnyw1se> well whats scary though is
Apr 07 23:05:05 <P3nnyw1se> I'm a year away from graduating computer science
Apr 07 23:05:14 <P3nnyw1se> am I suppose to be a programmer by the end of that ?
Apr 07 23:05:18 <P3nnyw1se> I hope not.. I don't feel like it :)
Apr 07 23:05:23 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, a junior programmer, for the most part
Apr 07 23:05:54 <P3nnyw1se> well . I'm back here again tomorrow.. probably after reading 20-30 pages and getting stuck somewhere
Apr 07 23:05:56 <kaneda^> P3nnyw1se, i took whatever i could to get some experience
Apr 07 23:06:07 <P3nnyw1se> I'm gonna do the same
Apr 07 23:06:11 <kaneda^> internships are great
Apr 07 23:06:14 <P3nnyw1se> its 01:00 in Denmark... nite!
Apr 07 23:06:14 <kaneda^> do an internship
Apr 07 23:06:25 <kaneda^> or get a job ;p
Apr 07 23:10:22 <Linkandzelda> hey guys, I have a problem. on a nook I dont have access to android settings. how can I go about removing a google account from the device?
Apr 07 23:10:33 <brx_> where did ctate go, he a dude
Apr 07 23:12:07 <brx_> Linkandzelda: pardon my ignorance but what is a nook?
Apr 07 23:12:30 <Linkandzelda> a nook HD its a type of tablet running android but not fully open
Apr 07 23:12:44 <Linkandzelda> hacks can enable it to run half of android, but just not settings app xD
Apr 07 23:12:45 <brx_> ok
Apr 07 23:13:56 <brx_> is it rooted?can you use adb with it?
Apr 07 23:20:23 <tyoc213> I have an xml which my activity sets oncreate setContentView(R.layout.activity_new_thing); but it seems that tools:context=".NewThing" is not linking the onclick and other events in the view
Apr 07 23:20:43 <tyoc213> I know I can get the button or spinner and set manually the events
Apr 07 23:28:05 <brx_> Linkandzelda: http://www.androidfornook.com/forum/thread-35.html <- myb this would help?
Apr 07 23:29:13 <Linkandzelda> deleted the account db and thats all I could do
Apr 07 23:30:00 <brx_> did it work?
Apr 07 23:33:14 <Linkandzelda> well I think so yea lol
Apr 08 00:13:50 <hesperaux> I have a Thread inside a Looper. Within that thread, I can start a method that also loops. It does this: { if(allowed && ready) { read an io stream; Thread.sleep(delay) } }
Apr 08 00:14:27 <hesperaux> Obviously, this is a blocking method. The Thread does not respond to Message objects through the Handler once that method starts. How can I fix this?
Apr 08 00:33:48 <hesperaux> anyone?
Apr 08 00:39:27 <agy2154>  Is there any way I can get JAva to assume that a variable has been intialized?
Apr 08 00:40:53 <hesperaux> agy2154, not sure what you mean
Apr 08 00:41:19 <brx_> it wont compile if you are trying to access it out of scope and its notinitialized
Apr 08 00:41:28 <hesperaux> oh, that
Apr 08 00:41:32 <kaneda^> agy2154, initialize it :)
Apr 08 00:41:38 <hesperaux> yes
Apr 08 00:41:44 <agy2154> hesperaux, I solved the problem I have created a local variable in if statements that HAD to be called. Instead i declared it as a local variable and then in the if statement in intitialized it.
Apr 08 00:42:01 <kaneda^> that's just a warning, most likely
Apr 08 00:42:02 <agy2154> I was intializing and declaring in the conditional statment
Apr 08 00:42:07 <hesperaux> agy2154, that's the way to do it
Apr 08 00:42:22 <agy2154> Yeah it works now. thanks.
Apr 08 00:42:47 <agy2154> by the way kaneda^ I ordered a arduino board
Apr 08 00:42:48 <hesperaux> i need someone here to convince me that it's a bad idea to add functionality to the Looper class
Apr 08 00:42:52 <kaneda^> agy2154, nice
Apr 08 00:43:16 <hesperaux> if no one convinces me, I'm adding code to Looper so that it collects data from IO streams
Apr 08 00:43:35 <hesperaux> cuz i can't think of any other way to interrupt an IO stream loop with a handler message
Apr 08 00:44:22 <hesperaux> is clever here?
Apr 08 00:45:38 <kaneda^> well he's in the room
Apr 08 00:45:52 <andrewcarter> g00s: thanks for the advice yesterday
Apr 08 00:45:53 <andrewcarter> working well
Apr 08 00:46:02 <g00s> andrewcarter: ;)
Apr 08 00:46:11 <hesperaux> g00s, you might know
Apr 08 00:46:20 <andrewcarter> g00s: making a yahoo answers client for my 'learning project'
Apr 08 00:46:21 <andrewcarter> lol
Apr 08 00:46:25 <andrewcarter> always a good laugh
Apr 08 00:47:57 <hesperaux> g00s, Could you help me? I want to have a thread that handles messages with a looper but also reads an IO stream constantly. When i send a message to the thread's handler, i want the thread to stop reading the IO stream.
Apr 08 00:48:07 <g00s> hesperaux: stopy goofing off, read JCIP
Apr 08 00:48:16 <hesperaux> lol
Apr 08 00:48:28 <g00s> when i was faced with the exact same problem you had, thats what i did
Apr 08 00:48:31 <g00s> and i studied
Apr 08 00:48:39 <hesperaux> g00s, i have to have this done by may. can I get there in time if i read the book?
Apr 08 00:48:42 <g00s> for like 2, months, to wrap my head around java concurrency
Apr 08 00:48:44 <g00s> its a big topic
Apr 08 00:48:53 <g00s> stop tinkering and asking about every little thing
Apr 08 00:50:12 <g00s> i would have stayed quiet, but you highlighted me :)
Apr 08 00:50:51 <hesperaux> I really do want to read that book - i just don't know if I have time g00s. It's a project for school that is due by the second week of May. Do you think I can make it if I read the book? If you think so, I will do it.
Apr 08 00:51:22 <g00s> you dont have to read the whole book, maybe 2-3 chapters
Apr 08 00:51:27 <hesperaux> g00s, I don't mind. I appreciate the sternness
Apr 08 00:51:39 <hesperaux> alright
Apr 08 00:51:48 <g00s> also, its unusual to extend Looper, Handler, etc.
Apr 08 00:52:02 <hesperaux> is that much in the free sample, or must I spring for the whole book?
Apr 08 00:52:39 <g00s> hesperaux: you are reading from a socket, a stream from a BT device, correct ?
Apr 08 00:52:48 <hesperaux> correct
Apr 08 00:53:02 <g00s> the BluetoothChat example has almost everything you need
Apr 08 00:53:07 <g00s> but i assume you have seen that
Apr 08 00:53:20 <g00s> the main piece to this, is that the socket will block
Apr 08 00:53:28 <g00s> which is why you have it on another thread
Apr 08 00:53:42 <hesperaux> I have seen it - but i haven't looked at it for over a week
Apr 08 00:53:52 <g00s> when you want to interrupt that thread, you cant say Thread.interrupt, because the blocked read won't see it
Apr 08 00:54:05 <g00s> so you have to close the socket … thats 50% of it right there
Apr 08 00:54:18 <g00s> the other 50% is figuring out, once this thread has its read data, where the F to put it
Apr 08 00:54:32 <g00s> it could be in another thread safe data structure, like a queue, or you could put it in a database
Apr 08 00:54:56 <g00s> if you put it in a database, you'll want to make sure you batch write like 50 records or so - not to write every damn record, that will suck
Apr 08 00:55:30 <g00s> the problem with the db, is that, well it sucks for reading this kind of data out again. the Cursor stuff is pretty heavy -
Apr 08 00:55:43 <g00s> so you may instead opt to create some home grown solution like just appending to a file
Apr 08 00:55:51 <g00s> journaled, of course.
Apr 08 00:57:13 <g00s> Square has some weird thing called Tape that seems like a persisted queue … i haven't figured it out yet; look at it; maybe it works ?
Apr 08 00:57:28 <JakeWharton> it works
Apr 08 00:57:36 <hesperaux> hmm
Apr 08 00:57:39 <g00s> well, works for hesperaux … as for fitting to the solution
Apr 08 00:58:09 * hesperaux feels sufficiently broken
Apr 08 00:58:25 <g00s> it took me a long time to get this right
Apr 08 00:58:30 <JakeWharton> Tape is an atomic, durable queue that's persisted to disk
Apr 08 00:58:44 <hesperaux> JakeWharton, that sounds magical
Apr 08 00:58:46 <andrewcarter> g00s: do you usually group your activities / models into separate packages?
Apr 08 00:59:09 <g00s> andrewcarter: i put my activities and fragments in a .ui package
Apr 08 00:59:19 <andrewcarter> g00s: oh I like that, nice
Apr 08 00:59:28 <hesperaux> g00s, is it okay to write the data to disk as I read it? I.e. in the while(true) loop that reads the stream?
Apr 08 00:59:30 <g00s> services in .services, etc. check out the iosched example for decent template
Apr 08 00:59:48 <andrewcarter> g00s: also (because I'm learning java here at the same time) when naming packages, is it better to do singular names or plural?
Apr 08 00:59:54 <andrewcarter> like "Model" or "Models"
Apr 08 01:00:01 <g00s> hesperaux: i don't see how while (true) would ever fit into your scenario. you will block on socket read
Apr 08 01:00:35 <g00s> andrewcarter: i think i do singular
Apr 08 01:00:47 <andrewcarter> cool thanks!
Apr 08 01:02:17 <hesperaux> g00s, well, currently i keep a loop that reads the socket, since the socket is constantly sending data. I didn't know of any other way to do it, sorry. I'm actually using a bufferedReader and grabbing lines out of the socket through that, for now.
Apr 08 01:04:26 <hesperaux> g00s, if you would like to see: http://pastebin.com/cRDmYSEC is the thread my service creates.
Apr 08 01:08:07 <Last_alx> hello everybody
Apr 08 01:08:21 <g00s> hesperaux: the BluetoothChat example is … exactly what you need. I think they just send a byte buffer back to the main thread. anyhow, just put that in a service
Apr 08 01:08:55 <Last_alx> i'm extending imageview to draw my own things, but i can't deal with scroll bar and the horizontal one.
Apr 08 01:09:35 <Last_alx> I can have only one of them, depending on what view is the parent of other view
Apr 08 01:10:19 <Last_alx> http://pastebin.com/kbdnesKc
Apr 08 01:10:30 <Last_alx> in this case vertical scroll works
Apr 08 01:10:58 <zhej> any1 know what 'gravity' does
Apr 08 01:11:08 <Last_alx> if i'll make scrollview to be a child of horizontalscrollview - i would have only horizonatal scroll
Apr 08 01:11:25 <g00s> hesperaux: btw, you may also check out MapDb for persisting your time series data
Apr 08 01:11:44 <g00s> that - is a fucking awesome library
Apr 08 01:11:54 <hesperaux> g00s, okay, i will check into them
Apr 08 01:11:55 <Last_alx> have anyone ever extended ImageView?
Apr 08 01:12:05 <JakeWharton> zhej: the documentation is pretty clear on it
Apr 08 01:12:15 <zhej> JakeWharton: no, i think i ran into a problem
Apr 08 01:12:27 <zhej> when i set a textView gravity to center, it disappears
Apr 08 01:12:51 <JakeWharton> gravity or layout_gravity?
Apr 08 01:13:04 <zhej> JakeWharton: gravity
Apr 08 01:13:50 <JakeWharton> ok, gravity has no control over where the TextView is actually positioned, only where it draws the text that it contains
Apr 08 01:14:35 <hesperaux> g00s, i did not realize this book was a whole 16USD cheaper on kindle. I'm buying it now for 22 bucks
Apr 08 01:14:54 <g00s> hesperaux: you can also get the pdf from Informit
Apr 08 01:15:10 <g00s> yeah, Kindle .. i don't like Kindle for technical stuff. formatting is always fucked up
Apr 08 01:15:22 <zhej> JakeWharton: ah ok, i got it, changed textView gravity now
Apr 08 01:16:07 <Last_alx> guys, does anyone know how to fix srolls on imageview's extended class?
Apr 08 01:18:24 <hesperaux> how exciting. xchat randomly froze
Apr 08 01:18:32 <hesperaux> g00s, i looked on informit and it's 40 bucks there =\
Apr 08 01:19:21 <hesperaux> and the way they got around formatting the code blocks and stuff is to make them bitmaps. works for me
Apr 08 01:22:08 <g00s> k
Apr 08 01:44:10 <hetii> )
Apr 08 01:44:12 <hetii> Hey :)
Apr 08 01:44:29 <hetii> How can i check if activity exist ?
Apr 08 01:44:34 <hetii> and if yest then start it.
Apr 08 01:45:07 <g00s> hetii: something like this ? http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/01/can-i-use-this-intent.html
Apr 08 01:45:42 <kaneda^> hetii, http://stackoverflow.com/a/3694549
Apr 08 01:47:34 <hetii> hmm ok thx  will check them :)
Apr 08 01:50:31 <brx_> hmm
Apr 08 01:50:50 <brx_> i thought he meant like if an activity is below the current activity in the stack
Apr 08 01:51:45 <brx_> in an onpause() state, then bring it forward
Apr 08 01:55:35 <hetii> hmm return always false :/
Apr 08 01:56:29 <Abhijit> hi guys. is there any way other than ssl to send sensitive data from android app to mysql ?
Apr 08 01:56:45 <coco89> Abhijit, nope
Apr 08 01:57:13 <agy2154> Why do I keep getting this error? 04-07 20:55:07.499: E/AndroidRuntime(16132): 	at com.TechDigy.parabolicmotion.SolvedSolution.onCreateView(SolvedSolution.java:36)
Apr 08 01:57:18 <hesperaux> you could implement your own cryptography and have a static shared key, but that's much less secure than SSL and is basically half-assed
Apr 08 01:57:27 <Abhijit> ok
Apr 08 02:01:55 <kakazza> agy2154: That's not even an error. That's merely a fragment of a stacktrace, isn't it?
Apr 08 02:02:26 <Abhijit> coco89, so i ask client to buy, install and configure ssl certificate on his website. then i create android app with httpsrequest to send data and then it just works? right?
Apr 08 02:03:21 <agy2154> kakazza, http://pastebin.com/RNap8BjA
Apr 08 02:03:24 <coco89> something like that lol
Apr 08 02:04:04 <coco89> Abhijit, I'm not the best person to ask
Apr 08 02:04:06 <coco89> :D
Apr 08 02:04:28 <Abhijit> coco89, also i am creatign a simple app where user registration is require for him to book a car. i will be sending data of username, password, full address and mobile number. do you think ssl is needed for this data? what if i just sent this data without any security or encryption?
Apr 08 02:05:14 <coco89> Abhijit, you need SSL, and you need to make sure that you use prepared statements and binding variables
Apr 08 02:05:23 <Abhijit> ok
Apr 08 02:05:27 <coco89> right guys? xD
Apr 08 02:05:34 <kakazza> agy2154: Not sure, but I'd google it. The first page is full with solved SO questions.
Apr 08 02:05:44 <agy2154> kakazza, thanks
Apr 08 02:05:48 <agy2154> illl look it up
Apr 08 02:05:59 <kakazza> No need to thank me, I told you to use Google :D
Apr 08 02:06:02 <Abhijit> hesperaux, please help
Apr 08 02:06:48 <kakazza> Abhijit: What do you think happens? You're exposing your users username and password.
Apr 08 02:07:02 <Abhijit> kakazza, but this is just a simple car renting application.
Apr 08 02:07:16 <kakazza> And you're simply exposing private credentials.
Apr 08 02:07:19 <Abhijit> do you thin any hacker will be interested in hacking this?
Apr 08 02:07:38 <coco89> Yeah, I will :D
Apr 08 02:07:41 <kakazza> That's not the right way to approach security.
Apr 08 02:07:42 <Abhijit> :-o
Apr 08 02:07:55 <Abhijit> okey. i will ask the client to buy and install the certificate.
Apr 08 02:08:11 <kakazza> And most people use the same password everywhere. While you can't protect them from their own mistakes, you do not want to expose that ONE password.
Apr 08 02:08:44 <coco89> To think that I got the stick for not securing my university project database that let's people sign the register
Apr 08 02:09:06 <Abhijit> kakazza, ok last question. so the process is like this: i ask client to install certificate on his website. then i just create an android app with httpsrequest. and thats it. it just works then. right? or do i need to do something special?
Apr 08 02:09:26 <Abhijit> kaasbol, my role is to just create that android app.
Apr 08 02:09:31 <coco89> nope it just works right off the bat.  I hope
Apr 08 02:09:57 <coco89> Abhijit, so you're not creating the web service?
Apr 08 02:10:01 <Abhijit> no.
Apr 08 02:10:05 <Abhijit> only the app.
Apr 08 02:10:07 <coco89> oh
Apr 08 02:10:10 <Abhijit> they already ahve the website.
Apr 08 02:10:10 <kakazza> Abhijit: http://blog.lumberlabs.com/2012/04/why-app-developers-should-care-about.html
Apr 08 02:10:30 <Abhijit> kakazza, sure i will read that. please tell me about the process i asked above.
Apr 08 02:11:07 <kakazza> It should just work, yes.
Apr 08 02:11:39 <Abhijit> ok. Thanks both of you coco89 and kakazza . Have a good day! :-)
Apr 08 02:12:02 <coco89> woah, I helped someone.
Apr 08 02:12:23 <coco89> Abhijit, no worries
Apr 08 02:13:12 <hetii> Oh my god... You have no idea how much Java is frustrating for me after using python ....
Apr 08 02:13:40 <p_l> ... try Common Lisp
Apr 08 02:14:10 <Abhijit> hetii, same.
Apr 08 02:14:29 <Abhijit> i wondered why google selcted java as a language for android.
Apr 08 02:14:46 <hetii> I was in google conference and ask this question
Apr 08 02:15:34 <p_l> Abhijit: big user base, easy tooling on multiple platforms, reuse of existing code while maintaining bytecode portability
Apr 08 02:15:41 <Abhijit> hetii, and what they told?
Apr 08 02:15:45 <hetii> They siad that the main decision was made cause there are a lot more Java developers then for eg python.
Apr 08 02:15:59 <Abhijit> p_l, which one of this is false with python?
Apr 08 02:16:08 <Abhijit> oh
Apr 08 02:16:15 <p_l> Abhijit: Python is chock-full of jumps into C
Apr 08 02:16:27 <Abhijit> whats chock full of jumbs?
Apr 08 02:16:28 * coco89 is so glad andriod uses java
Apr 08 02:16:35 <p_l> so you can write off "compile once, run on all" which they only later relaxed with NDK
Apr 08 02:16:45 <Abhijit> ok
Apr 08 02:17:15 <p_l> Abhijit: *huge* percentage of Python libs involve native libraries
Apr 08 02:17:27 <Abhijit> ok
Apr 08 02:17:55 <p_l> meanwhile, Android was from day one planned to seamlessly run on different architectures, even if it didn't materialize for some time
Apr 08 02:17:55 <Abhijit> so why not fork java and give it power of python?
Apr 08 02:18:11 <p_l> Abhijit: and end up with language no one supports? :>
Apr 08 02:18:14 <Abhijit> :-p
Apr 08 02:18:20 <p_l> btw, there's Jython
Apr 08 02:18:36 <p_l> and theoretically anything that emits JVM bytecode can be made to run on Dalvik
Apr 08 02:18:41 <hetii> no one supports?
Apr 08 02:18:43 <p_l> ... it's just sometimes a Bad Idea
Apr 08 02:18:49 <p_l> hetii: it would be neither Java, nor Python
Apr 08 02:19:19 <p_l> hetii: especially not Python, because Python (last time I checked) is defined by "what works on CPython implementation"
Apr 08 02:19:32 <p_l> PEPs got a bit better, but still
Apr 08 02:29:29 <zhej> where's mainActivity.java located under eclipse?
Apr 08 02:30:42 <andrewcarter> I'm fooling around with layout stuff, can anyone give my a hint on how to pull off something like http://cl.ly/image/3i1X2A410M21
Apr 08 02:32:24 <andrewcarter> nm I figured it out :3
Apr 08 02:38:39 <lenswipe> hey guys
Apr 08 02:38:40 <lenswipe> anyone around?
Apr 08 02:39:34 <coco89> lenswipe, how can i help
Apr 08 02:39:57 <lenswipe> I'm getting dates in this format: Mon Apr 08 02:00:20 +0000 2013
Apr 08 02:39:57 <lenswipe>  from twitter and I want to convert to something nicer like Monday 15th April 2013 04:00
Apr 08 02:40:20 <lenswipe> I have looked at this: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/format/DateFormat.html but I'm not sure how to use it
Apr 08 02:40:54 <coco89> hmm no idea
Apr 08 02:41:01 <coco89> :D
Apr 08 02:42:59 <lenswipe> oh well thanks anyway
Apr 08 02:43:10 <lenswipe> do you happen to know how to show and hide things from inside an activity?
Apr 08 02:45:35 <kakazza> lenswipe: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4522095
Apr 08 02:45:40 <f2prateek_> lenswipe: for the first one https://developer.android.com/reference/android/text/format/DateUtils.html
Apr 08 02:52:27 <zhej> any1 know how to retreive value from a text view?
Apr 08 02:53:32 <f2prateek_> texview.getText?
Apr 08 02:54:19 <zhej> f2prateek: this is ActivityMain.java code?
Apr 08 02:55:28 <f2prateek> what?
Apr 08 02:55:43 <zhej> getText() is for the java code?
Apr 08 02:56:09 <f2prateek> getText is to get the text that is being displayed by a texview
Apr 08 02:56:18 <f2prateek> what do you mean by java code
Apr 08 02:56:51 <hetii> Installation error: INSTALL_FAILED_INSUFFICIENT_STORAGE:/
Apr 08 02:57:44 <zhej> f2prateek: i'm using eclispe and using MainActivity.java
Apr 08 02:57:59 <hetii> I have 1.5gb internal memory that is still free so ...
Apr 08 02:59:32 <f2prateek> zhej: doesn't help with the question
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