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Apr 30 03:00:33 <Ologn> You can set them fairly loud.  They're definitely loud enough.
Apr 30 03:05:02 <Ologn> bankai_, I liked different things about the Nexus, the S4 and this.
Apr 30 03:05:21 <Ologn> Walt Mossberg said it was good, and the camera lens is supposed to be good
Apr 30 03:09:09 <bankai_> i had a HOX and the ROM always did funky shit that pissed me off
Apr 30 03:11:17 <bankai_> pity coz it was a nice phone
Apr 30 03:12:06 <g00s> also, at this rate, who knows where HTC will be in 2 years -- i'd want updates for that long :D
Apr 30 03:14:19 <arnorhs> hey guys. i'm building a camera activity sort of like they describe in the Android docs here> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html
Apr 30 03:14:28 <Leeds> I think it's pretty unlikely that HTC are actually going to go *away*
Apr 30 03:15:55 <arnorhs> My preview frame is not a standard frame (ie. it's actually ~1:1) , I was wondering if you guys know of any examples out ther (OSS or not) where they've managed to crop the preview frame to a weird format like that
Apr 30 03:16:12 <arnorhs> i saw some SO posts about overlaying something else on top of hte frame, but that feels kind of ugly to me
Apr 30 03:16:28 <arnorhs> *(on top of the surface view, that is)
Apr 30 03:17:47 <kevinb> SurfaceViews are rather messy. if you can use a TextureView instead (if the camera api allows it, and if you're targeting a modern enough version of Android) you might have better luck.
Apr 30 03:19:31 <g00s> Leeds: its an interesting discussion for sure; i wonder where the "event horizon" is for them as they need customers to buy new phone to stay in business vs "waste" valuable resources backporting updates to existing customers
Apr 30 03:20:17 <g00s> of course if they want customer loyalty they need to keep their phone up to date; i bet they know that
Apr 30 03:20:23 <Leeds> if they actually manage to maintain a focus on the One this year, and don't get too caught up in random variants of last year's phones, or the First, I expect them to be pretty on top of things
Apr 30 03:20:41 <kevinb> yeah hopefully there isn't a One+
Apr 30 03:20:51 <kevinb> or One-
Apr 30 03:20:55 <g00s> One HD+
Apr 30 03:21:16 <gkatsev> One S
Apr 30 03:21:51 <Leeds> there's already at least one variant of the One, the Chinese version with removable back, SD and dual-SIM
Apr 30 03:21:52 <gkatsev> HTC First One.
Apr 30 03:22:02 <g00s> but at the end of the day, they are like motorola (with a smaller patent portfolio maybe) thats basically picking parts out of a catalog - among suppliers that don't think they are a tier-1 OEM to begin with
Apr 30 03:22:14 * jasta yawns
Apr 30 03:22:37 <g00s> jasta sounds excited by the One !
Apr 30 03:23:12 <Leeds> I dunno, I think Motorola were never that big outside the US - in phones, that is - while HTC have always been more global
Apr 30 03:23:25 <jasta> i'm glad to see HTC swinging back around
Apr 30 03:23:31 <jasta> I was a big HTC fan back in the early days
Apr 30 03:23:37 <jasta> The Nexus One, IMO, was their last great phone
Apr 30 03:23:43 <jasta> and that's too bad
Apr 30 03:23:48 <Leeds> USians have a *terrible* tendency to think that whatever happens in the US matters worldwide - crap like "if they don't get this phone on Verizon it'll fail!"
Apr 30 03:24:22 <kevinb> the US is an important market, but yeah it's definitely not the only one
Apr 30 03:24:25 <jasta> I can't tell, is USians Americans, or US Asians? :)
Apr 30 03:24:41 <Leeds> USians as opposed to Americans
Apr 30 03:24:59 <Leeds> just to stop the pedants who start wittering about Brazilians and Canadians
Apr 30 03:25:28 <g00s> jasta: whats your opinion these days of using a content provider local-only db?
Apr 30 03:25:50 <jasta> local-only meaning a content provider which has no other function than within your own process?
Apr 30 03:25:55 <g00s> yeah
Apr 30 03:26:04 <jasta> i remain convinced that this is the strongest overall pattern on android
Apr 30 03:26:29 <jasta> in fact, i'm knee deep in a mess right now caused by a large architecture refusing to acknowledge this fact.
Apr 30 03:26:40 <g00s> :O
Apr 30 03:27:59 <g00s> every time i try to make some abstraction - say something like MyCursorLoader for non-provider operations - it doesn't seem to work out so well
Apr 30 03:28:01 <jasta> i am however looking at a little R&D project of building an almost SQL protocol for Content Providers though that lets you interact with it like you would a SQL server, rather than a sqlite database.
Apr 30 03:28:41 <jasta> so you can write much richer applications using it
Apr 30 03:29:10 <g00s> jasta: oh yeah, i think this was option 3 of "Android Rest Applications" where you hit the CP , but then it went to a REST service ?
Apr 30 03:29:18 <g00s> (not the local db)
Apr 30 03:29:27 <jasta> basically, but i'm looking at doing it locally
Apr 30 03:29:47 <jasta> its as simple as just implementing the SQLiteDatabase API over Android IPC
Apr 30 03:31:11 <g00s> i was thinking about a little project that let you query the db from your pc, using a socket connection back to the apps process
Apr 30 03:31:13 <maslen> jasta: I have code that might help for that; but you might have to wait a few weeks before I can release it
Apr 30 03:31:41 <maslen> It parses java source code and creates AIDL definitions and implementations
Apr 30 03:31:58 <maslen> (obviously, you could modify it to use other templates)
Apr 30 03:32:16 <g00s> MotoDev studio lets you query/browse the sqlite db but it has to be exported to some public spot ddms can see, which effectively takes it offline for the app
Apr 30 03:32:24 <jasta> g00s: sounds pretty neat, though i usually just use adb backup -noapk to get at my databases
Apr 30 03:32:39 <g00s> ah, thats a nice tip too
Apr 30 03:33:47 <arnorhs> kevinb: yeah, agree that they are messy.. will look into TextureView
Apr 30 03:42:35 <arnorhs> kevinb: ah, dang.. it's API 14.. i'm targetting 9
Apr 30 03:42:55 <arnorhs> oh, actually 8
Apr 30 03:43:19 <g00s> i've noticed about 60% of my users are ics+ ; i need to cut the chord on those below that soon
Apr 30 03:43:42 <arnorhs> whoa.. 40% of your users? you'd be willing to do that?
Apr 30 03:43:55 <wabz> 100% of mine are
Apr 30 03:44:13 <wabz> guess why ;)
Apr 30 03:44:19 <arnorhs> wabz: lol
Apr 30 03:44:40 <kevinb> i target 14+ but the Play Store still shows some gingerbread users somehow installing it. sure it doesn't work though.
Apr 30 03:47:25 <g00s> i'm pretty excited about the next OS X and iOS; iOS seems like its going to be very flat :| and OS X seems like its getting features for power users - oxymoron :D
Apr 30 03:47:51 <g00s> no more simulated leather \o/
Apr 30 03:48:49 <Mavrik> righ
Apr 30 03:48:50 <Mavrik> t
Apr 30 03:48:56 <Mavrik> closing up on Android design I see :P
Apr 30 03:49:44 <g00s> probably more like WP. i think they read there were going to be more information radiators , which is a theme in metro with tiles
Apr 30 03:52:09 <g00s> but i use os x so i'm happy about tabs in finder, etc
Apr 30 03:53:03 <kevinb> yeah, i've been kind of annoyed with the past few OS X releases focusing more on bring iOS UI to the desktop. glad to hear they're going to focus on power users for a bit.
Apr 30 03:53:13 <kevinb> maybe i'll finally upgrade from snow leopard
Apr 30 03:53:44 <g00s> i'd still wait until 10.9.2 or something though; seems like Apple is stretched a bit too
Apr 30 03:54:23 <kevinb> yeah
Apr 30 03:54:37 <g00s> os x 10.x.1 releases seem to be right afterwards though, since they really screw up .0 :D
Apr 30 03:56:25 <g00s> kevinb: i predict some scandal like Oracle java not working at all on 10.9 or something
Apr 30 03:56:35 <g00s> just to keep us on our toes
Apr 30 03:56:37 <kevinb> android seems to just skip the .0 at all and ship the first version as .1
Apr 30 03:56:50 <kevinb> 2.3.1, 4.0.1, 4.1.1
Apr 30 03:56:53 <kevinb> can't remember honeycomb
Apr 30 03:56:57 <g00s> i had 2.0.0
Apr 30 03:57:17 <kevinb> oh and wasn't 2.1 just 2.1 and then 2.1-update1?
Apr 30 03:58:42 <Leeds> I think I had 1.0.0...
Apr 30 03:59:00 <g00s> Leeds which was really 2.2 right ?
Apr 30 03:59:03 <g00s> :D
Apr 30 03:59:15 <JakeWharton> 1.0 was 1.6
Apr 30 03:59:42 <Leeds> I never touched any of the M releases
Apr 30 03:59:43 <jasta> eh, there was a 1.0
Apr 30 03:59:45 <jasta> and a 1.1
Apr 30 03:59:48 <jasta> then 1.5
Apr 30 03:59:51 <jasta> and finally 1.6
Apr 30 03:59:55 <JakeWharton> i'm saying conceptually
Apr 30 04:00:09 <JakeWharton> there was also m3r20 and all that jazz
Apr 30 04:00:12 <jasta> 1.5 was really the "first release" that mattered.  that was cupcake.
Apr 30 04:00:21 <JakeWharton> 1.5 felt very much like 0.9
Apr 30 04:00:28 <JakeWharton> the amount of change between 1.5 and 1.6 was staggering
Apr 30 04:00:33 <JakeWharton> it really fleshed out the platform to be usable
Apr 30 04:00:35 <jasta> btw, on a related note
Apr 30 04:00:46 <jasta> i feel like punching anyone in the mouth that complains about gingerbread
Apr 30 04:00:54 <jasta> fuck all yall, i remember cupcake.
Apr 30 04:01:00 <Mavrik> yeah
Apr 30 04:01:20 <jasta> gingerbread is a cake walk :)
Apr 30 04:01:21 <Mavrik> Developing for cupcake was about as fun as writing SOAP XMLs by hand
Apr 30 04:01:26 <JakeWharton> i mean, if you want to measure penis' I can go way beyond that
Apr 30 04:02:00 <Mavrik> JakeWharton, like what? Symbian C++? :P
Apr 30 04:02:09 <androidfr33k> Is there a difference in  build time maybe significant if I include this script along with these additional 2 for building a cm 10.1?  "export USE_CCACHE=1" then "export CCACHE_DIR=/<path_of_your_choice>/.ccache" then "prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache -M 50G" or up to 100G.  Versus just "export USE_CCACHE=1"
Apr 30 04:02:14 <JakeWharton> i developed a paint application on m3r20 when the interface was exactly a blackberry and my first application on play targets API 1
Apr 30 04:02:45 <JakeWharton> sadly the play store no longer says "Android 1.0 and up" anymore
Apr 30 04:03:46 <JakeWharton> but like awkward teenage phases, those years are best forgot
Apr 30 04:04:41 <jasta> JakeWharton: i wrote a streaming media player a la google music on m3r20 ;)
Apr 30 04:04:50 <JakeWharton> that must have been awful
Apr 30 04:04:53 <jasta> you bet
Apr 30 04:04:54 <jasta> :)
Apr 30 04:05:10 <JakeWharton> that's awesome though
Apr 30 04:05:16 <JakeWharton> still have the source?
Apr 30 04:05:21 <jasta> yup
Apr 30 04:05:24 <jasta> one sec
Apr 30 04:05:27 <JakeWharton> I managed to drag along all my old apps through the changes in VCS
Apr 30 04:05:39 <jasta> https://code.google.com/p/five/
Apr 30 04:06:21 <jasta> thoe screenshots, btw, were _updated_ with 1.5 ;)
Apr 30 04:06:31 <jasta> those*
Apr 30 04:06:59 <JakeWharton> fantastic
Apr 30 04:07:14 <jasta> i maintained it for a couple of years, off and on for fun
Apr 30 04:09:54 <jahd> hi to all D:
Apr 30 04:09:56 <jahd> :D
Apr 30 04:13:57 <Mavrik> um, is there a decent documentation source of in-depth Surface/TextureView behaviour anywhere?
Apr 30 04:13:57 <jahd> is anyone here?
Apr 30 04:15:34 <jahd> I have an activity 1 that calls activity 2 for result, but the activity 2 wants to return a result from activity 3 (to 1), is that possible?
Apr 30 04:16:33 <Mavrik> why wouldnt it be? :)
Apr 30 04:17:31 <nomo> what is the difference between String str[][] and String[][] str?
Apr 30 04:18:05 <Mavrik> nomo, no difference. one is ugly other isnt :)
Apr 30 04:18:28 <nomo> which one is ugly ?:)
Apr 30 04:18:35 <nomo> String str[][] ?
Apr 30 04:19:13 <nomo> what do you mean by ugly?
Apr 30 04:20:07 <Mavrik> nomo, exactly what the word means. Those statements are equivalent. Use the one that looks better to you / complies with your coding standard / is consistent.
Apr 30 04:21:09 <jahd> in the java tutorials, they recommend String[][] str
Apr 30 04:21:41 <jahd> Mavrik: When I start the 3rd activity, I dont risk my first activity gets lost?
Apr 30 04:22:45 <nomo> String[][] arr = (String[][])2dListArray.toArray(); is this correct? I want to convert 2d list array to array
Apr 30 04:22:54 <Mavrik> jahd, well it can get suspended
Apr 30 04:23:07 <Mavrik> jahd, but the result will still be delivered to callback after it restarts
Apr 30 04:23:26 <jahd> Mavrik: excellent :D thank you
Apr 30 04:23:43 <Mavrik> jahd, just make sure your onSaveInstanceState does what it should :P
Apr 30 04:24:24 <jahd> I never used that, i will look for it then :)
Apr 30 04:46:12 <jahd> hi again
Apr 30 04:46:33 <jahd> in my /android-sdks/platforms/android-8/data/res/layout/ i see a activity_list.xml layout
Apr 30 04:46:50 <jahd> but when writting android.R.layout... I can't find it
Apr 30 04:46:58 <jahd> how can I use that layout?
Apr 30 04:49:10 <JesusFreke> jahd: it is automatically generated when you build your project
Apr 30 04:49:27 <Mavrik> jahd, not all resources are exposed for usage
Apr 30 04:49:28 <JesusFreke> oh, android.R
Apr 30 04:49:31 <JesusFreke> nevermind :)
Apr 30 04:49:35 <jahd> yes android.R
Apr 30 04:49:51 <jahd> I see in the docs, that layout is used for the listActivity
Apr 30 04:50:04 <jahd> but I need that exact layout for another usage
Apr 30 04:50:29 <Mavrik> jahd, just copy it :)
Apr 30 04:50:49 <jahd> Mavrik: i didn't want to do that, but that is the only way :P thanks!
Apr 30 04:51:00 <Mavrik> jahd, yeah, some resources are private
Apr 30 04:51:17 <Mavrik> and just making a copy is the most reliable way to cope with that
Apr 30 04:52:31 <pr0ton> hey guys
Apr 30 04:52:43 <pr0ton> if i wanted to basically create a bunch of forms in different activities
Apr 30 04:52:55 <pr0ton> and the forms essentially have multiple input fields of a particular format
Apr 30 04:53:06 <pr0ton> can i somehow use re-usable ui elements for that?
Apr 30 04:53:35 <pr0ton> like i can't use fragments for that, because it's bascially a label, input field with (numeric , double) type
Apr 30 04:54:29 <Mavrik> pr0ton, um, you have includes in layouts
Apr 30 04:54:35 <Mavrik> you write the layout
Apr 30 04:54:37 <pr0ton> i was thinking more of
Apr 30 04:54:41 <pr0ton> adding them programatically
Apr 30 04:54:53 <Mavrik> that works too, more clunky though :)
Apr 30 04:55:03 <pr0ton> what i want to do though is
Apr 30 04:55:05 <pr0ton> create the layout in XML
Apr 30 04:55:11 <pr0ton> and change the values in Java
Apr 30 04:55:37 <pr0ton> i think, one solution might be to create a custom UI component -.-
Apr 30 04:55:39 <Lara> Hi, is this an official channel (since it's #)?
Apr 30 04:56:03 <Mavrik> pr0ton, uh
Apr 30 04:56:16 <Mavrik> pr0ton, I think you need to describe the type of your problem more
Apr 30 04:56:17 <Mavrik> :)
Apr 30 04:56:22 <pr0ton> okay, so here goes
Apr 30 04:56:27 <pr0ton> i'm basically going to create a ton of forms
Apr 30 04:56:27 <Mavrik> Lara, official…ish :)
Apr 30 04:56:32 <pr0ton> like 7-8
Apr 30 04:56:38 <pr0ton> i mean thats what the app is basically
Apr 30 04:56:44 <pr0ton> these forms are simple, bascially labels and input fields
Apr 30 04:56:48 <pr0ton> input fields have a type
Apr 30 04:56:49 <bankai_> can you explain with fewer lines and more punctuation ?
Apr 30 04:56:56 <Lara> Mavrik: Ok, I'm thinking of adding it to #google's topic... only #android is there right now.  Thanks
Apr 30 04:57:07 <Mavrik> Lara, great :)
Apr 30 04:57:54 <pr0ton> okay, sure. so basically i want to be able to easily create forms and add them programatically. the idea is that if i have to change something about these input elements, it'd require me making 1 change, instead of a change across 7-8 forms and multiple fields
Apr 30 04:58:10 <Mavrik> pr0ton, hmm, what do these fields have in common?
Apr 30 04:58:18 <Mavrik> or, just how simillar are these forms?
Apr 30 04:58:26 <pr0ton> they're bascially <label - text_input>
Apr 30 04:58:59 <pr0ton> like a row of TextField followed by a InputField
Apr 30 04:59:05 <Mavrik> mhm
Apr 30 04:59:17 <Mavrik> well, I'd define a style for design part of it
Apr 30 04:59:26 <Mavrik> and then just use common code to inflate them
Apr 30 04:59:44 <pr0ton> styles as in CSS way of doing things? you can do that?
Apr 30 05:00:16 <Mavrik> pr0ton, yep
Apr 30 05:00:30 <Mavrik> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/themes.html
Apr 30 05:00:48 <pr0ton> cool, the more you know ... :)
Apr 30 05:06:32 <pr0ton> Mavrik, so still a little confused. i would still have to copy paste tons of XML
Apr 30 05:06:38 <pr0ton> to serve the same purpose, is this generally a good idea?
Apr 30 05:06:43 <Mavrik> pr0ton, uhm
Apr 30 05:06:52 <Mavrik> you have includes for XML as I said.
Apr 30 05:06:59 <Mavrik> or you can inflate forms with code and apply style
Apr 30 05:10:31 <pr0ton> so i can use includes, but how do i pass parameters to the includes ?
Apr 30 05:10:51 <pr0ton> like <include layout=".." attr1="foo" attr2="foo2">
Apr 30 05:11:05 <pr0ton> and then the layout fills in those values in some placeholders?
Apr 30 05:12:11 <jahd> for that super flexible purpose, creating the layout from code is the best way
Apr 30 05:12:44 <jahd> you have to make some classes to abstract everything
Apr 30 05:13:03 <pr0ton> cool can you point me to some examples? i've mostly seen heavy usage of XML files
Apr 30 05:13:27 <jahd> so you just do: createInput("Insert your name",Input.ONLY_LETTERS); or something like that
Apr 30 05:13:35 <pr0ton> yea!
Apr 30 05:13:54 <jahd> pr0ton: I haven't saw something like that before, it is just and idea to implement it
Apr 30 05:14:05 <jahd> and it maybe isn't so hard
Apr 30 05:14:53 <jahd> the method createInput should create the necesary views, taking into account the 2nd parameter as the settings associated to that input
Apr 30 05:15:16 <pr0ton> okay
Apr 30 05:16:09 <Mavrik> yeah, there's not much code out there showing programmable layout creation
Apr 30 05:16:20 <Mavrik> :\
Apr 30 05:16:45 <pr0ton> alrighty
Apr 30 05:16:52 <pr0ton> google is my friend and stackoverflow is my FWB
Apr 30 05:17:09 <g00s> pr0ton was an internal code name for a compiler at intel ;)
Apr 30 05:17:27 <g00s> we had pr0ton , neutron, and electron :D
Apr 30 05:17:29 <pr0ton> g00s, still is it just became self-aware
Apr 30 05:17:41 <pr0ton> pr0ton with an 0 ?
Apr 30 05:17:55 <g00s> sorry, no 0
Apr 30 05:18:08 <pr0ton> ha
Apr 30 05:23:34 <b0nn> hi all, I'm doing a favor for a friend, he has no interwebs. I've downloaded eclipse for him, and the adt bundle. WHat else do I have to download in order for him to be able to code for (say) jellybean?
Apr 30 05:23:48 <Mavrik> uh
Apr 30 05:23:55 <bankai_> the API docs :)
Apr 30 05:24:04 <b0nn> heh
Apr 30 05:24:04 <pr0ton> ^
Apr 30 05:24:11 <Mavrik> b0nn, documentation, emulator images and platform packages
Apr 30 05:24:17 <Mavrik> which are downloaded over SDK Manager
Apr 30 05:24:21 <b0nn> what's the name of the stuffs you point eclipse at so it can build for targets etc?
Apr 30 05:24:23 <g00s> b0nn: its gonna be tough going for him, since 50% of Android's documentation is in stack overflow
Apr 30 05:24:24 <bankai_> too bad if he wants to do net stuff :(
Apr 30 05:25:00 <b0nn> Is it possible to create your own repo of stuff for the SDK Manager?
Apr 30 05:25:15 <Mavrik> hmm
Apr 30 05:25:27 <Mavrik> probably its just easier to download everything by you and zip it
Apr 30 05:25:54 <b0nn> oh, there's one other problem, I'm on 64bit linux, he's on 32 bit wondows
Apr 30 05:26:08 <Mavrik> *sigh*
Apr 30 05:26:13 <b0nn> IKR
Apr 30 05:26:15 <bankai_> just give him your f'ing hard drive
Apr 30 05:26:20 <g00s> when are you going to make things more challenging :D
Apr 30 05:26:23 <Mavrik> you're really trying to make your life complicated aren't you? :P
Apr 30 05:26:41 <b0nn> I'm not, I told him to come round and hook up to my net
Apr 30 05:26:50 <b0nn> apparently this was easier -_-
Apr 30 05:27:45 <Mavrik> b0nn, run the SDK manager over wine and download stuff that way
Apr 30 05:27:58 <Mavrik> it's just a dumb executable anyway
Apr 30 05:28:08 <b0nn> you're right, I'll tell him it's impossible
Apr 30 05:28:27 <b0nn> sorry for the trouble :)
Apr 30 05:38:18 <g00s> b0nn: what about some sort of sneakerNet :D
Apr 30 05:38:41 <b0nn> hm, that's what I'm trying to do
Apr 30 05:38:59 <g00s> every time there is a sw update, mail him a thumb drive (they are so small now, they can go in an envelope). when he gets it, he copies, and then sends it back
Apr 30 05:39:11 <ron_frown> AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Apr 30 05:43:39 <g00s> b0nn: also, carrier pigeon !
Apr 30 05:44:15 <g00s> pigeonNet
Apr 30 05:45:02 <g00s> here, put this on the thumb drive http://www.ehow.com/how_2076760_raise-carrier-pigeons.html
Apr 30 05:46:06 <g00s> fuck it, just download wikipedia and put it on the drive, raising carrier pigeons should be in there somewhere
Apr 30 05:53:38 <g00s> b0nn: "IP over Avian Carriers (IPoAC)" \o/
Apr 30 05:54:00 <g00s> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
Apr 30 05:54:05 <g00s> notice date :D
Apr 30 05:54:50 <Leeds> I believe there is at least one documented implementation
Apr 30 05:55:00 <g00s> "octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff"
Apr 30 05:56:17 <g00s> Leeds: yeah, 28 April 2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
Apr 30 05:57:23 <g00s> Leeds: but i thought the first attempt would be by RMS
Apr 30 05:59:52 <Leeds> not sure he's a pigeon person
Apr 30 06:01:19 <g00s> yeah, they are kinda like flying rats
Apr 30 06:01:39 <g00s> don't blame him
Apr 30 06:03:56 * hackkitten waves at g00s o/~
Apr 30 06:04:19 * hackkitten prefers KittenNet~
Apr 30 06:04:20 * g00s notices the pigeon population has gone down since hackkitten has arrived ...
Apr 30 06:04:21 <hackkitten> much fluffier
Apr 30 06:04:24 <hackkitten> mew :3
Apr 30 06:04:29 <g00s> :)
Apr 30 06:21:50 <g00s> alex_PP: just learning about Lr, pretty impressed by its database / cataloging
Apr 30 06:29:53 <arnorhs> g00s: Lr?
Apr 30 06:37:21 <ron_frown> g00s you are going to leave us hanging like that
Apr 30 06:37:41 <g00s> arnorhs: sorry, alex_PP talk photography sometimes. Lr=Lightroom
Apr 30 06:37:47 <ron_frown> boo!
Apr 30 06:37:51 <g00s> haha
Apr 30 06:37:54 <arnorhs> ah got it,
Apr 30 06:42:21 <JakeWharton> you didn't realize that you joined #photo-dev did you, arnorhs?
Apr 30 06:42:48 <arnorhs> i didn't but this is an excellent excuse to get a new camera
Apr 30 06:43:43 <g00s> android was originally meant for cameras :D
Apr 30 06:56:29 <miha> is it possible to draw over dropdown items (spinner, autocomplete edit text) '
Apr 30 07:08:38 <ron_frown> fuck yes
Apr 30 07:08:50 <ron_frown> fixed my data storage
Apr 30 07:08:54 <ron_frown> all down hill from here!
Apr 30 07:10:15 <g00s> ron_frown: yea, you're over the hill :P
Apr 30 07:10:39 <ron_frown> about 1/8th my compute engine is done
Apr 30 07:10:45 <ron_frown> sounds like very little but the rest is down hill =
Apr 30 07:10:46 <ron_frown> =)
Apr 30 07:11:51 <StingRay_> btw if anyone is interested in NAS storage, I highly reccomend Thecus (the units 5 bays or more)
Apr 30 07:12:00 <StingRay_> I'm really impressed
Apr 30 07:12:06 <StingRay_> which is odd for me
Apr 30 07:13:02 <g00s> StingRay_: is it fast? NAS is so damn slow
Apr 30 07:13:16 <StingRay_> 5 bay raid 5 is not slow
Apr 30 07:13:18 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 30 07:13:28 <g00s> the link ? just gigabit right ?
Apr 30 07:13:48 <StingRay_> on aggrigated switching dual GB link it's a little bit……FAST!!!
Apr 30 07:13:50 <ron_frown> jigga bit
Apr 30 07:14:42 <StingRay_> NAS is only slow when they are sh*t units btw
Apr 30 07:16:36 <StingRay_> can run SVN on it if I had need
Apr 30 07:16:38 <StingRay_> :)
Apr 30 07:16:46 <StingRay_> not sure about git
Apr 30 07:17:46 <StingRay_> but neways, my point is, after a good few hours of research, price performance freatures = Thecus by not a small margin, if ne1 is interested
Apr 30 07:17:58 <StingRay_> but only on the units like the n5550 and up
Apr 30 07:18:57 <StingRay_> just too bad silly apple dont have iscsi init built in
Apr 30 07:19:01 <StingRay_> silly apple
Apr 30 07:19:03 <g00s> BitTorrent Sync!
Apr 30 07:19:05 <g00s> XD
Apr 30 07:19:44 <StingRay_> g00s: you looking at them ?
Apr 30 07:19:47 <g00s> i need to check that out as well as AeroFS; i just want commodity crap
Apr 30 07:20:02 <StingRay_> go to the suppot formuns > 3rd party modules
Apr 30 07:20:09 <g00s> Thecus? no
Apr 30 07:20:16 <g00s> i got rid of my UPS also
Apr 30 07:20:30 <g00s> i'm pretty minimal. one laptop. one camera. 2 back up hard drives
Apr 30 07:20:39 <g00s> (usb hard drives)
Apr 30 07:20:44 <g00s> which get rotated off shite
Apr 30 07:20:47 <g00s> *site
Apr 30 07:21:42 <g00s> no cloud, because fuck that shit XD
Apr 30 07:22:11 <gyscos> Hey :) I'm creating an app where the user will login. Are there any guidelines on how to secure the transmission ? How to "remember the password" ? Is it even a good idea ?
Apr 30 07:22:31 <JakeWharton> use ssl. use certificate pinning. store an auth token
Apr 30 07:23:10 * p_l|omoikane wishes there was infiniband for laptops
Apr 30 07:23:18 <gyscos> So I need a certificate ? :-/
Apr 30 07:24:20 <p_l|omoikane> gyscos: you can use self-signed certificate (or rather, "private cert. authority" style)
Apr 30 07:25:04 <gyscos> p_l|omoikane: thanks :) will look into it
Apr 30 07:25:10 <gyscos> JakeWharton: thanks :)
Apr 30 07:26:06 <p_l|omoikane> gyscos: for your app, you'd load your "trusted" certificate (and accept *only* that certificate) and do the same on the server
Apr 30 07:26:22 <p_l|omoikane> (or use certs signed with your trusted certificate etc.)
Apr 30 07:27:25 <clever> and make sure you do the ssl code right, ive seen some examples of people misreading the docs, and turning all cert checks off
Apr 30 07:27:40 <clever> an online banking app that accepted any cert as valid, *facepalm*
Apr 30 07:27:46 <gyscos> ><
Apr 30 07:27:54 <gyscos> My stakes aren't _that_ high
Apr 30 07:28:14 <gyscos> I'll try to avoid stupid things, though
Apr 30 07:28:15 <p_l|omoikane> gyscos: in general - when programming crypto, be careful, check things several times, then find a duck to explain it to
Apr 30 07:28:36 <g00s> rubber duck debugging ftw
Apr 30 07:28:38 <clever> dont just check that it accepts your cert, configure the server with a different cert and check that it rejects things
Apr 30 07:28:40 <p_l|omoikane> a suggested method is to have a 5yo advisor as well
Apr 30 07:28:58 <clever> edit the URL in the code to a valid site (https://paypal.com) and verify that it also rejects that, if your using a self-signed one
Apr 30 07:29:04 <p_l|omoikane> ... oops, that one was for evil overlords
Apr 30 07:29:40 <clever> gyscos: let me see if i can find the bookmark
Apr 30 07:30:06 <gyscos> I can create the certificate myself ? since it doesn't need to be signed by trusted companies...
Apr 30 07:30:17 <clever> yep
Apr 30 07:31:08 <gyscos> Can I use ecdsa for instance ? Is it supported by android ?
Apr 30 07:33:41 <clever> gyscos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66rR4WHJeP0&feature=em-uploademail-new
Apr 30 07:34:17 <clever> gyscos: this goes over a range of security issues, and also explains how to crack ssl wide open (requires root on the target device) so you can view the request contents
Apr 30 07:34:22 <gyscos> clever: thanks :) will bookmark and watch it later, i'm at work right now :-'
Apr 30 07:34:27 <clever> the ssl crack is an old method, doesnt work on 4.x
Apr 30 07:34:49 <gyscos> you mean the ssl implementation on old android was insecure ? :-/
Apr 30 07:34:59 <clever> no
Apr 30 07:35:09 <clever> basicaly, the https proxy would make a fake root CA
Apr 30 07:35:20 <clever> and then use that to make fake certs for every site its proxying to
Apr 30 07:35:37 <clever> and if you manualy stuff the root CA into the /system/ partition (needs root), android will trust it 100%
Apr 30 07:35:43 <gyscos> ow
Apr 30 07:35:47 <gyscos> nice :)
Apr 30 07:36:02 <p_l|omoikane> gyscos: it's common method of sniffing SSL at work, too
Apr 30 07:36:05 <clever> the file that you modify has changed in 4.x, so his directions arent valid anymore
Apr 30 07:36:22 <clever> but the rest is still usefull to know
Apr 30 07:36:51 <gyscos> but doesn't a cert indicate the website it works with ?
Apr 30 07:37:09 <clever> for the certs at the end of the chain, yes
Apr 30 07:37:20 <clever> but the root CA cert doesnt say what site its for
Apr 30 07:37:24 <clever> its used to sign all of the others
Apr 30 07:37:29 <gyscos> ow
Apr 30 07:38:07 <gyscos> so it created a "custom" cert for each website, and replaced the website's cert with its own ?
Apr 30 07:38:22 <clever> yeah, thats how the proxy i was using worked
Apr 30 07:38:37 <gyscos> thus sniffing everything, and pretending the website is still secure...
Apr 30 07:38:39 <clever> the proxy claims to be the real example.com, and gives a fake cert
Apr 30 07:38:40 <gyscos> :-S
Apr 30 07:38:58 <clever> because the device trusts that cert (due to forcing it), the proxy can decrypt everything
Apr 30 07:39:14 <clever> it only trusts it because i forced things in a root-only area
Apr 30 07:39:22 <clever> so un-modified devices are still 100% secure
Apr 30 07:39:30 <gyscos> wow
Apr 30 07:39:57 <gyscos> is it possible on computer too ? To install a trusted certificate ?
Apr 30 07:40:01 <clever> yep
Apr 30 07:40:36 <clever> under linux, you just copy the file to /etc/ssl/certs/ and wget and most other tools will blindly accept it
Apr 30 07:40:58 <kevinb> the app could check that the cert is the expected cert, not just that the system trusts it. but ultimately you could modify the app so that it thinks the fake cert is the expected cert anyway
Apr 30 07:41:08 <clever> the java vm uses its own keystore, and i think firefox does as well
Apr 30 07:41:35 <clever> yeah, if the attacker has root, your screwed, but at that point, what does he have to gain, he already has root!
Apr 30 07:41:49 <gyscos> And how do I make the app check for a specific cert ? That's certificate pinning ?
Apr 30 07:42:10 <clever> not sure how to do that part in android, ive only done it in a firefox extension
Apr 30 07:42:39 <clever> gyscos: https://developer.android.com/reference/javax/net/ssl/HttpsURLConnection.html
Apr 30 07:42:53 <clever> but the docs seem to have an example right here
Apr 30 07:44:46 <gyscos> So it'll have to use https ?
Apr 30 07:45:01 <clever> yeah, you must use https to encrypt the password
Apr 30 07:45:11 <gyscos> Means I need a web server too ?
Apr 30 07:45:19 <gyscos> Can't any protocol use ssl ?
Apr 30 07:45:31 <clever> you can use ssl over another protocol
Apr 30 07:45:46 <clever> thats what i was doing in my firefox extension, custom binary protocol wrapped in ssl
Apr 30 07:46:15 <gyscos> ssl is just authentification, sign/check and encrypt/decrypt ?
Apr 30 07:46:38 <clever> yeah, client and/or server cert, with encryption
Apr 30 07:46:45 <gyscos> could it even be embedded in a custom protocol, and not the other way around ?
Apr 30 07:46:53 <gyscos> a protocol sends string or bytes
Apr 30 07:47:01 <clever> look at SSLSocket on the android docs
Apr 30 07:47:05 <gyscos> and the client/server use these for ssl
Apr 30 07:47:38 <clever> and if your using a custom cert, you would likely make an SSLSocketFactory using the example code in HttpsUrlConnection docs
Apr 30 07:47:45 <clever> and then just call .createSocket directly on that
Apr 30 07:50:22 <clever> the socket returned by that should work like any normal tcp socket, but will be encrypting anything sent over the network
Apr 30 07:50:44 <gyscos> awesome :)
Apr 30 07:50:50 <gyscos> it sounds increadibly handy
Apr 30 07:52:08 <clever> in my case, i wanted to use client ssl certs for the authentication, no name/pw
Apr 30 07:52:19 <clever> so it would be using public/private key auth to verify the users
Apr 30 07:52:21 <gyscos> does it affect bandwidth a lot ?
Apr 30 07:52:30 <clever> dont know
Apr 30 07:52:34 <gyscos> Should I only use it for authentification ? Or for data/command ?
Apr 30 07:52:45 <clever> depends on how sensitive things are
Apr 30 07:52:54 <gyscos> None at all <_<
Apr 30 07:52:57 <clever> but it turns out that firefox doesnt handle client certs nicely
Apr 30 07:53:35 <clever> since your doing it in android, you could login with the name/pw once over normal https, and the server could return a signed client cert (overkill security!)
Apr 30 07:53:43 <gyscos> Truth is, all I want is not to send clear passwords on the network, since many people use these passwords for other things like their mail or bank account <_<
Apr 30 07:53:45 <clever> then you always use that client cert when connecting again
Apr 30 07:54:13 <gyscos> But it wouldn't hurt to learn how to do that :)
Apr 30 07:54:29 <clever> let me see where my code went
Apr 30 07:55:58 <clever> gyscos: http://privatepaste.com/15ea4488fc
Apr 30 07:56:20 <clever> gyscos: this code was creating a new (and unique) ssl cert every time it was ran
Apr 30 07:56:33 <gyscos> wow
Apr 30 07:56:53 <clever> all certs are signed by the ca at the top, and the commonname (unique id) was stored in mysql
Apr 30 07:57:05 <clever> due to all certs being signed by my own ca, i can trust the commonname in the cert a client sends
Apr 30 07:57:20 <clever> the client then provides that cert when connecting, and no name/pw
Apr 30 07:57:39 <gyscos> cool
Apr 30 07:57:40 <clever> and i know that there is no way it can be spoofed, without the user having his private cert stolen
Apr 30 07:57:57 <clever> the problem i ran into, is that firefox will ask you which cert to use, every time you connect
Apr 30 07:58:16 <clever> not very user-friendly
Apr 30 07:58:27 <clever> but with java, you have more control over that, so it wont be an issue
Apr 30 07:58:47 <gyscos> ok...
Apr 30 07:59:06 <clever> but thats if you want to set the security level to insane!
Apr 30 07:59:49 <gyscos> Yeah, I think I'll stick to the simple method
Apr 30 08:00:12 <gyscos> one cert for everyone, everything goes i nthe socket
Apr 30 08:00:41 <clever> then you dont have to worry about client certs, just dont enable that part of the server
Apr 30 08:01:15 <gyscos> so only the server has a certificate
Apr 30 08:01:19 <clever> yep
Apr 30 08:01:28 <gyscos> I guess the clients will need its public key or something ?
Apr 30 08:01:38 <clever> the cert+privatekey go on the server
Apr 30 08:01:45 <clever> and the cert gets embeded into the app
Apr 30 08:02:14 <gyscos> ok
Apr 30 08:02:22 <clever> the cert contains the public key, various data about the server, and the name of who signed it, along with the signature (private key of them + hash)
Apr 30 08:14:56 <lasserix> does onCreateView ever not get called with onActivityCreated for fragments (assuming its overriden)
Apr 30 08:23:22 <lasserix> Is there any difference between writing in one of the activity's callbacks, Bundle bun = getBundle(); string[1...10] = bun.getString("1"..."10"); versus just string[1...10] = getBundle().getString("1"..."10")
Apr 30 08:24:10 <sampullman> functionally, no
Apr 30 08:24:36 <sampullman> but you're making 9 less method calls in the first version (not that it really matters in this case)
Apr 30 08:24:49 <sampullman> *9 fewer
Apr 30 08:25:05 <lasserix> ahh right, just what i suspected--i just am trying to keep done on frivilous code
Apr 30 08:25:13 <lasserix> thanks
Apr 30 08:25:36 <sampullman> to your first question: no, i think onCreateView always gets called with onActivityCreated
Apr 30 08:26:05 <lasserix> cool
Apr 30 08:37:57 <lasserix> for some reason i can access a protected member of an object in an activity anyone know why>
Apr 30 08:39:46 <lasserix> nm
Apr 30 08:39:47 <timroes> because it is in the same package?
Apr 30 08:39:55 <timroes> its an inner class, its the same class?
Apr 30 08:39:59 <lasserix> yeah didn't know thats how it worked
Apr 30 08:40:00 <lasserix> no
Apr 30 08:40:14 <lasserix> i just like changing access values to make it easier to use intellisense
Apr 30 08:40:20 <lasserix> ;p
Apr 30 08:40:24 <timroes> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/215497/in-java-whats-the-difference-between-public-default-protected-and-private this is a good table to remeber it :D
Apr 30 08:40:28 <Tee_Pee> Heya folks, anyone here had the "pleasure" of using the FB graph api?
Apr 30 08:45:44 <Tee_Pee> More specifically, has anyone posted comments using the fb graph api?
Apr 30 08:50:24 <lasserix> Just curious, is it actually important or a sign of good programming to always initalize (field members, etc) objects to null if they are not instanced any other way?
Apr 30 08:52:00 <Tee_Pee> probably
Apr 30 08:52:16 <Tee_Pee> but it's more relevant for C / C++ than it is for Java
Apr 30 08:52:22 <lasserix> right
Apr 30 08:55:59 <p_l|omoikane> and in some languages the concept doesn't exactly exist
Apr 30 08:56:44 <p_l|omoikane> (and overzealous initialization like that leads to bug hiding)
Apr 30 08:58:42 <lasserix> P_l I just meant in the class scope
Apr 30 08:58:57 <lasserix> like setting all strings not set to some text to null, or the like
Apr 30 08:59:23 <lasserix> and i was just wondering if other coders take it as a sign of a sound or lazy programmer
Apr 30 09:01:20 <p_l|omoikane> lasserix: AFAIK the few cases where it matters to initialize in Java is when you have 'final'
Apr 30 09:01:23 <p_l|omoikane> fields
Apr 30 09:01:34 <p_l|omoikane> in C/C++, it matters a *lot*
Apr 30 09:01:42 <p_l|omoikane> (because otherwise the contents are undefined)
Apr 30 09:01:50 <lasserix> ahh thanks
Apr 30 09:02:02 <beasty> morning guys
Apr 30 09:02:07 <beasty> i'm pondering if there is a way to apply to apply dropshadow on a element ?
Apr 30 09:02:17 <p_l|omoikane> lasserix: in Java you'll get NullPointerException, I believe, though I don't have standard at hand
Apr 30 09:07:42 <Hausas> getSupportFragmentManager() is undefined
Apr 30 09:07:45 <Hausas> wth?
Apr 30 09:08:03 <Hausas> I need this to display a DialogFragment
Apr 30 09:08:47 <lasserix> Hausas make sure your imports are referencing support stuff
Apr 30 09:09:38 <Hausas> What should I be importing for this? android.support.v4.app.FragmentActivity?
Apr 30 09:10:01 <lasserix> import android.support.v4.app.FragmentTransaction;
Apr 30 09:10:15 <StingRay_> beasty: that wasnt a question, or if it was, the answer is, "oh good!"
Apr 30 09:10:29 <lasserix> err that's what I use since I just call getSupportFragmentManager().beginTransaction(); instead of actually getting a manager instance
Apr 30 09:11:10 <Hausas> It still says it;s undefined
Apr 30 09:14:52 <Hausas> I used android.app.FragmentManager instead now, and changed getSupportFragmentManager() to getFragmentManager() and it seems there're no errors left
Apr 30 09:15:20 <nomo> please help me with this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16295101/how-to-change-fragments-textviews-text-from-activity
Apr 30 09:15:27 <elkng> I connected to the phone over ssh and now I have console with busybox tool, but that phone has wifi and bluetooth, is that possible to somehow access their functionality and use them somehow ?
Apr 30 09:16:19 <StingRay_> nomo: I think your not grasping the use of fragments
Apr 30 09:16:31 <StingRay_> new FragmentClass();  <--- new unattached to views
Apr 30 09:19:02 <nomo> what about this: Fragment fr = FragmentClass.newInstance(); ?
Apr 30 09:19:33 <nomo> newInstance is public static Fragment newInstance(){
Apr 30 09:19:33 <nomo> 		TeacherPickerFragment myFrag = new TeacherPickerFragment();
Apr 30 09:19:33 <nomo> 		return myFrag;
Apr 30 09:19:33 <nomo> 	}
Apr 30 09:20:18 <elkng> or how to manage bluetooth or wifi on android from console ?
Apr 30 09:21:00 <elkng> without installing all those GUI applications from android market
Apr 30 09:21:15 <StingRay_> nomo why cant you use fragmentManager to get an instance of it ? to use ?
Apr 30 09:28:49 <nomo> I'm sorry, I'm new to android. I have tried getSupportFragmentManager().findFragmentById(R.id.fragId); but I don't have fragment tag in my xml
Apr 30 09:29:10 <lasserix> fragment tag you set in code
Apr 30 09:29:21 <StingRay_> thats and findFragmentById
Apr 30 09:29:23 <StingRay_> not tag
Apr 30 09:41:57 <Hausas> I've got this class: http://pastebin.com/kDVVsWka It just shows the DialogFragment. How do I extract data from the containers the user inputs?
Apr 30 09:42:22 <Hausas> I have to change those R.string.fName
Apr 30 09:43:30 <nomo> Thank you guys, I will just study some more before using fragments.
Apr 30 09:44:01 <elkng> is there such thing as "libpcap for Android" and how can it be used ?
Apr 30 09:47:18 <lasserix> nomo: if you can layout your fragments use id, if you have to add / replace them in code, use tag
Apr 30 09:47:59 <elkng> can developing of applications for android using all those SDK, NDK be used on pentium3 with 400MB or RAM ? or its not worth even to try ?
Apr 30 09:48:42 <p_l|omoikane> elkng: ... urk
Apr 30 09:49:18 <Hausas> Do I use getView().findViewById(R.string.fName) ?
Apr 30 09:49:31 <lasserix> hausas yeah thats the idea
Apr 30 09:49:33 <elkng> don't urk me boy
Apr 30 09:50:37 <dewimper> elkng: I think it can be done, I did development with eclipse on exactly such a machine for a while and apart from being a bit slow it worked quite well
Apr 30 09:50:56 <dewimper> but I wouldn't try running the emulator though
Apr 30 09:51:55 <Hausas> thanks.
Apr 30 09:52:09 <elkng> dewimper: should I compile entire android system to make some programms in NDK ? or I can compile *.c source file and upload it to working phone and it will run ?
Apr 30 09:52:56 <JuiceSSH> Hey, Does anybody here use google two-factor authentication to secure SSH?
Apr 30 09:53:53 <dewimper> don't have any experience with the NDK, but I'm quite sure you won't need to compile the whole android system, that would be crazy
Apr 30 09:55:19 <Hausas> lasserix, I got it as View mFName = getView().findViewById(R.string.fName); How do I extract a string out of it?
Apr 30 09:55:34 <lasserix> umm
Apr 30 09:55:55 <lasserix> fName is refering a textview?
Apr 30 09:56:05 <Hausas> yes
Apr 30 09:56:09 <lasserix> i am actually confused
Apr 30 09:56:14 <lasserix> R.string.fName ?
Apr 30 09:56:19 <Hausas> yeah
Apr 30 09:56:34 <lasserix> oh
Apr 30 09:56:35 <lasserix> i see
Apr 30 09:56:37 <lasserix> well
Apr 30 09:56:51 <lasserix> Try instancing mFName as a Textview and use getText or whatever
Apr 30 09:56:58 <lasserix> method that returns its text
Apr 30 09:57:06 <Hausas> you mean casting?
Apr 30 09:57:15 <lasserix> not sure why you are making it a view if you are treating it as a textview
Apr 30 09:57:42 <lasserix> TextView mFName = getView().findViewById(R.string.fName)
Apr 30 09:57:49 <lasserix> mFName.getText()
Apr 30 09:57:54 <Hausas> Oh
Apr 30 09:57:57 <Hausas> Thanks
Apr 30 09:58:17 <Hausas> This would need casting
Apr 30 09:58:18 <Hausas> ;)
Apr 30 10:00:20 <annoia> Is there a way to do a search in more ContactsContract tables at the same time? A combined query of sorts.
Apr 30 10:05:50 <marrrk> Is it possible to bring up the soft keyboard programmatically in other apps?
Apr 30 10:06:37 <MroiZo> Hey boys! How does google technically restrict content to a country in Google Play on the phones? By carrier or some phone ID?
Apr 30 10:07:12 <lasserix> marrrk other apps?
Apr 30 10:07:24 <marrrk> in any activity
Apr 30 10:07:31 <lasserix> yeah
Apr 30 10:07:56 <lasserix> use InputMethodManager
Apr 30 10:08:01 <marrrk> it just doesn't seem to show up with
Apr 30 10:08:52 <marrrk> imm.toggleSoftInput(InputMethodManager.SHOW_FORCED, InputMethodManager.HIDE_IMPLICIT_ONLY);
Apr 30 10:10:14 <lasserix> hmm i was using imm.toggleSoftInput(0, 0);
Apr 30 10:10:29 <marrrk> I think I tried that too
Apr 30 10:10:56 <lasserix> hmm
Apr 30 10:11:14 <otisZart> hi guys :-)
Apr 30 10:11:17 <marrrk> I just don't get it
Apr 30 10:11:22 <marrrk> I think it works on the home scren
Apr 30 10:11:50 <otisZart> Id like to buy a nexus4 , but it is not available in my coountry - do you have any hints where I shall buy it frm? which country? ebay?
Apr 30 10:12:55 <Hausas> lasserix, I got an error while trying to extract that string: http://pastebin.com/8Dhk2E0Y
Apr 30 10:14:28 <otisZart> ops timeout
Apr 30 10:14:32 <otisZart> so any help guys?
Apr 30 10:15:00 <Hausas> This is developers' channel
Apr 30 10:15:07 <lasserix> hausas there is something weird about dialogs, i always use onCreateView and then just find the widgets with the view i return
Apr 30 10:15:39 <otisZart> Hausas in fact I asked which device is better for dev before and people helped me choose
Apr 30 10:16:11 <otisZart> anyway ok ill ask in general, sorry
Apr 30 10:16:11 <Hausas> I just saw your question about where to buy nexus4 from
Apr 30 10:16:22 <lasserix> good luck otis
Apr 30 10:16:30 <otisZart> thanks
Apr 30 10:16:33 <Hausas> hmm
Apr 30 10:16:42 <lasserix> worst comes to worst you can use mail forwaring service
Apr 30 10:23:12 <elkng> I have file android-sdk_r16-linux.tgz of a size 21531K, is it entire SDK, no need to download anything else ? now I can create software for android ?
Apr 30 10:24:00 <elkng> or should I download adt-bundle-linux-x86-20130219.zip ?
Apr 30 10:34:59 <lite_> I'm trying to figure out how this InputStream works while reading from a bluetooth socket. First of all : read() is a blocking call correct?
Apr 30 10:38:53 <lite_> Secondly: We've tried testing  InputStream.read(byte[] buffer) and sending "hello" means this( http://pastebin.com/5UyCTAFj ) piece of code will print :  "h ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?", "e ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?", "l ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?", "l ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?", "l ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?", "o ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?"
Apr 30 10:39:30 <lite_> I would think that the buffer would contain [h e l l o] rather than overriding the first index of the array ?
Apr 30 10:40:10 <annoia> lite_ - read() only reads one byte
Apr 30 10:40:30 <lite_> then what is the point of it having a byte array as its buffer?
Apr 30 10:41:15 <annoia> lite_ - You can give it parameters. So using read(byte[] b, int offset, int len) you can define how much to read.
Apr 30 10:41:29 <annoia> And to which position
Apr 30 10:41:34 <annoia> ... In the byte array
Apr 30 10:41:54 <Zharf> annoia, no, read(byte[] buffer) is equivalent to read(buffer, 0, buffer.length)
Apr 30 10:42:22 <annoia> Ah yes, I was looking just at read()
Apr 30 10:42:25 <Zharf> read() reads a single byte
Apr 30 10:42:46 <Ge0rG> and yes, read() is blocking. you need to run it in its own thread
Apr 30 10:42:58 <sha0coder> hi
Apr 30 10:43:58 <sha0coder> how can i start an app from command line?
Apr 30 10:44:08 <sha0coder> whithout knowing the starting activity
Apr 30 10:44:14 <lite_> Zharf, so if what im receiving from read(byte[] buf) is 1 byte "per read" then the problem is from the sending side ?
Apr 30 10:46:31 <lite_> or am i misunderstanding what youre saying ?
Apr 30 10:47:13 <Zharf> lite_, your log messages tell you if it reads 1 or more bytes
Apr 30 10:47:34 <lite_> it only reads 1 byte
Apr 30 10:48:25 <Zharf> you should use new String(buffer, 0, bytes, "UTF8";
Apr 30 10:48:29 <lite_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11917448/bytesread.png
Apr 30 10:49:08 <Zharf> +)
Apr 30 10:49:52 <lite_> Zharf, will this cut off subsequent 0's ?
Apr 30 10:52:01 <snowpong> Is it so, that I don't need to usethe  FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK if the activity I'm starting has launchMode singleInstance? They are the same?
Apr 30 10:52:29 <Zharf> lite_, it makes a string from what you actually read, not the whole buffer
Apr 30 10:52:31 <Zharf> so yes
Apr 30 10:53:50 <Zharf> lite_, 0 byte is not a end of string marker in java
Apr 30 10:54:05 <msch> is there a way to get onPause/onResume for the application? e.g. I want to know when all my activities are paused or when any is resumed
Apr 30 10:54:36 <msch> like application didEnterBackground willEnterForeground on iOS
Apr 30 10:55:17 <lite_> Zharf, but it still seems like when the BT device sends "hello" and I read it through the InputStream than only one byte is sent at a time right ?
Apr 30 10:55:31 <Zharf> lite_, so it would seem, yes
Apr 30 10:55:35 <lite_> if read(byt[] buf returns 5 times( 5 characters sent)
Apr 30 10:56:43 <snowpong> msch: the best way is to make a DefaultActivity (which counts ++ onResume and --onPause) and have all your Activites subclass it.  If the counter is >0 you know one of the activites are running.
Apr 30 10:56:45 <lite_> ah yes. that is indeed the problem.
Apr 30 10:57:01 <lite_> my mate was sending it via keyboard presses
Apr 30 10:57:14 <lite_> and as such each character was sent individually
Apr 30 10:57:18 <Zharf> :)
Apr 30 10:57:28 <Zharf> buffer and only send on enter :)
Apr 30 10:57:33 <msch> snowpong: ok that's what I was thinking. and when I switch from activity a to b, will the order of events happen such that there's a period where the counter == 0 or will the new activity call onResume before the old one calls onPause?
Apr 30 10:58:16 <snowpong> msch: this is undefined - both cases will happen
Apr 30 10:58:21 <snowpong> (or so it seems)
Apr 30 10:58:46 <msch> snowpong: great... any (easy) way to work around that? don't want to start having a timer that waits for 1s before calling onPause etc etc
Apr 30 10:59:35 <Omnicide> when I get paid on the 15th from google dev console, so I get everything I've made up until then? (this would be my first payout ever)
Apr 30 10:59:40 <Omnicide> do*
Apr 30 10:59:48 <msch> snowpong: also do I read this correctly? http://developer.android.com/reference/android/location/LocationManager.html#requestLocationUpdates(java.lang.String, long, float, android.location.LocationListener) If I'm backgrounded the locationlistener will continue to take up power if I don't tell it to be passive?
Apr 30 11:00:44 <marrrk> Is there a way to bring up the keyboard with an AccessibilityService?
Apr 30 11:00:54 <snowpong> msch: the listener will continue even when in background
Apr 30 11:01:02 <Zharf> msch, how about http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Application.html#registerActivityLifecycleCallbacks(android.app.Application.ActivityLifecycleCallbacks)
Apr 30 11:01:03 <msch> yep as I feared :/
Apr 30 11:01:40 <msch> Zharf: since 40% of my users are on 2.3.3 that's not an option :/ (and it's not in the support library is it?)
Apr 30 11:01:41 <snowpong> Zharf: theyr're discouraged (and should apparently only be used for debugging) - but I guess they'll work. They need a new capability (GET_TASKS)
Apr 30 11:02:53 <snowpong> msch: there is no easy way I can think of to smooth over the potential gap between one activity pausing and the next one starting
Apr 30 11:03:44 <msch> snowpong: ok thanks. I'm doing mostly iOS dev so I have to ask again: What is wrong with Google? I thought they were good software engineers? :(
Apr 30 11:05:28 <snowpong> msch: Yeah it sucks. The most elegant solution would be to fire off a timer that (unless reset) will fire after X seconds for each time the activity-counter reaches 0 - that way you could have an event/listener that is called after the app has been in the background for X seconds
Apr 30 11:06:20 <msch> snowpong: yeah I guess I'll do that. But it's so... doesn't Google write apps for android? how could they let something like this happen? Just asking in general if you have any idea what's wrong with their API teams
Apr 30 11:07:04 <snowpong> msch: I'd say for most it's pretty good - but this is one of their blunders. I was just complaining about the same issue a few days ago :)
Apr 30 11:07:08 <grumpy_cat> msch: I suspect "you're doing something contrary to platform design"
Apr 30 11:07:49 <snowpong> but he's not
Apr 30 11:08:02 <snowpong> having listeners span activites makes sense - for example for location
Apr 30 11:08:32 <grumpy_cat> for resource that spans activities you should use a Service, iirc
Apr 30 11:08:35 <msch> but that's not all I wonder about. AsyncTask seems like a horrible approach compared to iOS' GCD
Apr 30 11:08:35 <SimonVT> That's what services are for
Apr 30 11:09:19 <grumpy_cat> msch: GCD benefits from appearing, iirc, later on the scene
Apr 30 11:09:20 <msch> does my service get told when the user has stopped using my app?
Apr 30 11:10:06 <grumpy_cat> msch: you can "disconnect" in onPause, and when no more clients are "connected", the service will stop
Apr 30 11:10:28 <msch> grumpy_cat: so when there's a split-second where no clients are connected while the activities switch the service will stop then restart?
Apr 30 11:10:30 <snowpong> grumpy_cat: SimonVT: even with using Services, you'd want to know if the app is in the background or not.
Apr 30 11:10:36 <sha0coder> can i start an app from command line?
Apr 30 11:10:56 <grumpy_cat> sha0coder: with 'am' command you can send Intents, and thus launch activities
Apr 30 11:11:11 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat: i dont know the main activity name
Apr 30 11:11:34 <SimonVT> snowpong: what grumpy_cat said
Apr 30 11:11:43 <grumpy_cat> msch: Unless you enable one of the developer options, the switched activity won't die that fast
Apr 30 11:12:05 <msch> grumpy_cat: so some of my crazy users who want to save battery power and play with the settings will turn that on
Apr 30 11:12:09 <grumpy_cat> snowpong: "app in background" is what the services are for. Activity does *no* work in background, or at least it's not supposed to (it's a bug if it does)
Apr 30 11:12:32 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat: i dont want to call specific activity, only launch the app
Apr 30 11:13:00 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat: is necesary every time to decompile and see the main activity to launch it?
Apr 30 11:13:23 <snowpong> grumpy_cat: how do you connect/disconnect to a service? I've just been passing localbroadcasts between them (and using intents)
Apr 30 11:13:29 <grumpy_cat> sha0coder: there's no "launch the app" (or even "main activity"). But in general, you should be able to get the data from PackageManager
Apr 30 11:13:45 <sha0coder> ok grumpy_cat thnx
Apr 30 11:14:08 <lite_> Zharf, we've encountered another problem. read() now returns before the entire message has been sent. Ive been told that this is because of timing between sending and receiving.
Apr 30 11:14:08 <msch> grumpy_cat: so if I have complex state in my app I'm supposed to write a service and pass everything between the service and my activities in the serialized parceable format?
Apr 30 11:15:04 <lite_> so the content of my buffer varies from "H", "ello", "wor", "ld"
Apr 30 11:15:30 <grumpy_cat> msch: it doesn't have to be serialized - the service can run in its own thread inside application, or even act like a library and run in the caller's thread
Apr 30 11:15:48 <lite_> I know that the data I receive will always be in 16 byte "packages". How do I fix this ?
Apr 30 11:16:08 <grumpy_cat> msch: the thing is, Services "wrap" the whole "background" work
Apr 30 11:16:44 <msch> grumpy_cat: ah ok. is there some good documentation that explains how the memory boundaries (?) between activities/services/etc work? I've always thought it's all in the same space and can access everything else so the separation didn't make sense in my eyes. I guess that's wrong?
Apr 30 11:17:15 <grumpy_cat> msch: by default there is no separation, and the process doesn't stop unless all components "shut down"
Apr 30 11:17:34 <grumpy_cat> msch: however, you can force a service/activity to run in separate process
Apr 30 11:17:51 <msch> but why would I want to do that?
Apr 30 11:18:21 <grumpy_cat> msch: long-running service that handles things like synchronization etc., and separate process that is there only for UI
Apr 30 11:18:45 <msch> ok, but those then can only communicate via parcelable?
Apr 30 11:20:40 <grumpy_cat> in such cases, yes (well, there's more, but it gets into apparently less-known and documented things)
Apr 30 11:21:30 <msch> ok I see.
Apr 30 11:23:23 <grumpy_cat> msch: also, you can use plain-old java concurrency
Apr 30 11:23:43 <msch> grumpy_cat: yeah that's what I do right now. I have a singleton object where my long-running stuff lives
Apr 30 11:23:54 <grumpy_cat> AsyncTask being there mainly for UI-related callbacks
Apr 30 11:25:33 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat: i will program a Manifest decompiler in order to execute the app
Apr 30 11:25:52 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat:  am tool is poor ..
Apr 30 11:25:54 <grumpy_cat> sha0coder: or you can request a list of responders to Launch intent
Apr 30 11:26:24 <grumpy_cat> a bunch of other options available too
Apr 30 11:26:29 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat:  :/
Apr 30 11:27:26 <sha0coder> grumpy_cat:  no problem .. but am design is poor :)
Apr 30 11:28:49 <liox_> hi
Apr 30 11:30:45 <elkng> what language they use in brazil ?
Apr 30 11:30:51 <elkng> brazilian ?
Apr 30 11:31:13 <Hausas> spanish?
Apr 30 11:31:14 <Hausas> latin?
Apr 30 11:31:24 <liox_> I'm developing my first app using phonegap and where the same needed some plugins with native language. One plugin Torch. What happens is that testing on 3 different devices only one of them worked properly on other 2 do not. Does anyone here have an idea what might be happening?
Apr 30 11:31:28 <Hausas> must be spanish/portuguese
Apr 30 11:32:00 <liox_> elkng: i from brazil
Apr 30 11:32:08 <liox_> language is portuguese
Apr 30 11:32:08 <elkng> s/i/i am
Apr 30 11:37:15 <kakazza> liox_: I'd say you're better off asking in the official PhoneGap Forums or whatever they have. I've not seen many people in here (if any) actively using PhoneGap
Apr 30 11:38:14 <elkng> liox_: http://southerncrossreview.org/81/feynman-brazil.html "That night, Brazilian TV audiences saw the director of the Center for Physical Research welcome the Visiting Professor from t he United States, but little did they know that the subject of their conversation was finding a girl to spend the night with!"
Apr 30 11:39:32 <liox_> kakazza: right but the plugin code I'm using is native android java and just wanted to understand why it works correctly on a device and not another which could be affecting the operation on some devices
Apr 30 11:39:50 <elkng> liox_: its also from that page about car in the hole: "When we'd dig a hole, there'd be all kinds of detour signs and flashing lights to protect us. There, they dig the hole, and when they're finished for the day, they just leave", is that true, workers who fixing the road can dig a huge hore and do not place any signs and leave and cars can get into that hole ?
Apr 30 11:41:10 <kakazza> liox_: Guess you'd have to pastebin the code.
Apr 30 11:41:21 <liox_> kakazza: ok tanks
Apr 30 11:41:31 <liox_> kakazza: one minut
Apr 30 11:42:26 <kakazza> I never worked with any kind of Torch code, but it might help others to help you.
Apr 30 11:43:57 <liox_> elkng: ehehehe
Apr 30 11:44:43 <akhilleus> salve vorrei qualcuno mi aiutasse a sistemare il mio xperia x8
Apr 30 11:45:56 <elkng> liox_: or it was true in 60th, not today ?
Apr 30 11:46:06 <liox_> kakazza: http://pastebin.com/bsSnfpXV this code
Apr 30 11:46:43 <liox_> elkng: not understand
Apr 30 11:51:15 <liox_> kakazza: was tested on a sony ericsson walkman android and it worked correctly. Then tested on a motorola defy and not funcinou and also on a LG Optimus 4x HD and it did not work. I thought at first it would be the version of android but lg and sony has the same version of android.
Apr 30 11:51:58 <liox_> was tested on a sony ericsson walkman android and it worked correctly. Then tested on a motorola defy and did not work and also on a LG Optimus 4x HD and it did not work. I thought at first it would be the version of android but lg and sony has the same version of android.
Apr 30 11:53:38 <Zharf> lite_, if you know you have a 16 byte package coming, read until you have 16 bytes
Apr 30 11:54:41 <lite_> so instead of using read(byte[] buf) simply use read() ?
Apr 30 11:55:03 <lite_> and insert each byte into an array with length 16 ?
Apr 30 11:55:28 <Zharf> no just use the buf version
Apr 30 11:55:42 <Zharf> but keep reading until you have the right amount
Apr 30 11:56:03 <msch> ugh... all this for what? Google really has no idea how to design APIs :( http://android-developers.blogspot.co.at/2011/06/deep-dive-into-location.html
Apr 30 11:57:05 <lite_> Zharf I dont understand. I dont control how or when read() returns
Apr 30 11:57:16 <Zharf> lite_, basically offset = 0; while(!done) { bytesread = read(buffer, offset, buffer.length - offset); offset += bytesread; }
Apr 30 11:57:28 <lite_> ah
Apr 30 11:58:30 <msch> has there ever been an android location provider that has a cost?
Apr 30 12:00:09 <Ge0rG> msch: there is a high battery cost with gps
Apr 30 12:00:47 <msch> Ge0rG: has there ever been a way to get ACCURACY_FINE without high battery cost?
Apr 30 12:00:59 <Ge0rG> msch: no
Apr 30 12:01:13 <Ge0rG> msch: you are right, the api is overly complicated
Apr 30 12:01:20 <msch> it's like they design some stuff in a total vacuum that's future proof for the next 1000 years when we will have magical whatever-location-providers
Apr 30 12:01:23 <Ge0rG> and has funny side effects
Apr 30 12:01:42 <grumpy_cat> msch: some of the excessive overplanning ended up being useful, though
Apr 30 12:01:49 <msch> grumpy_cat: like what?
Apr 30 12:01:50 <Ge0rG> msch: which is still better than throwing everything over, like done with the fragments UI api
Apr 30 12:02:00 <grumpy_cat> msch: architecture independence
Apr 30 12:02:48 <msch> grumpy_cat: well apple has handled that pretty well since ever. and apps that use the NDK have the same problems anyway
Apr 30 12:03:03 <grumpy_cat> Apple handled it by having only one architecture
Apr 30 12:03:19 <msch> Ge0rG: I don't know, I'd be happy if someone (google) would just create a completly new android API that's 90% stolen from Apple and supporting it through something like the android support libs for android 2.3.3-latest
Apr 30 12:03:22 <grumpy_cat> (and total control over hardware. Makes it easy, don't you think?)
Apr 30 12:03:45 <msch> grumpy_cat: nope, they handled it via fat binaries, e.g. just put armv6 & armv7 & armv7s in the same binary. (or intel & powerpc on the mac)
Apr 30 12:03:57 <Quacked> How do I prevent DialogFragment from matching content? I've set it to match_parent but it wont work
Apr 30 12:04:40 <SimonVT> Quacked: So you want a full screen dialog? ;d
Apr 30 12:04:58 <Quacked> hehe
Apr 30 12:05:13 <grumpy_cat> msch: which requires extra work from developer... except that armv6/7/7s is essentially one architecture with differing extensions. Meanwhile it doesn't matter for big chunk of applications whether the target device has arm, x86, mips or something crazier
Apr 30 12:05:48 <Quacked> was thinking a maximum sized dialog :P
Apr 30 12:06:08 <msch> grumpy_cat: yeah I agree that dalvik is a good idea. But whoever designed the developer-facing android APIs deserves to be fired.
Apr 30 12:06:10 <SimonVT> Re-think
Apr 30 12:06:53 <msch> grumpy_cat: or check out this: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=12987 WTF was google thinking? It was reported during the beta phase and they just said "meh we don't care" and now this API is useless for everybody basically forever (since the stupid 2.3.3 devices won't die out)
Apr 30 12:06:54 <suleymancelik> getDialog().getWindow().setLayout(width, height)
Apr 30 12:07:30 <Quacked> I want to change the content of the dialog onclick of a button in the dialog and I dont want the size of the dialog to be adjusted if content is larger/smaller
Apr 30 12:07:49 <Quacked> suleymancelik: thought about that
Apr 30 12:13:45 <suleymancelik> sorry for misunderstanding
Apr 30 12:23:39 <Omnicide> when I get paid on the 15th from google dev console, do I get everything I've made up until then? (this would be my first payout ever)
Apr 30 12:24:57 <SimonVT> You get what you sold the previous month
Apr 30 12:25:40 <Quacked> Omnicide: how much are you getting? :)
Apr 30 12:52:12 <Omnicide> soo, if i put my app up on the 14th of this month, i would get april 14 - april 30 earnings on may 15?
Apr 30 13:17:47 <Ilhami> Hey
Apr 30 13:17:51 <Ilhami> I have a problem
Apr 30 13:18:45 <xan_IT> hi to all, i have a problem with ksoap, actually works but if i switch from wifi to 3g or from 3g to wifi, i recieve "Connection timed out" anyone know why?
Apr 30 13:19:01 <Ilhami> Anybody here?
Apr 30 13:19:09 <Ilhami> http://s14.postimg.org/l8qn700jl/sadsd.png I want to change the color of this.. how do I do =
Apr 30 13:21:40 <Ilhami> HALLO
Apr 30 13:21:57 <subtask> Hi! Are there Android Apps developer willing and available to spend their 2 minutes talking about the tools you use to detect and solve bugs during development? I am looking for static/dynamic analysis tools specific for Android and any suggestion would be appreciated! Thanks!!
Apr 30 13:26:45 <Ilhami> Anybody???
Apr 30 13:34:48 <subtask> Is there anyone here?
Apr 30 13:35:03 <Hyrixo> Hi i'm looking a for a way to get my device's pixel width and height, i was using view.getheigh() and getwidth but they return 0
Apr 30 13:37:10 <StingRay_> Hyrixo: what "view" ?
Apr 30 13:37:17 <Ologn> Ilhami, what is the XML that displays that?
Apr 30 13:37:19 <StingRay_> you would want displayMetrics
Apr 30 13:37:33 <Ilhami> Ologn it is a default theme
Apr 30 13:37:40 <Ilhami> but I dont know how to change that color
Apr 30 13:37:50 <Ilhami> I want to change the blue color
Apr 30 13:38:15 <subtask> I am looking for static/dynamic analysis tools specific for Android and any suggestion would be appreciated! Thanks!!
Apr 30 13:39:17 <Ologn> Ilhami, you usually need to know what XML makes that display to change the color
Apr 30 13:39:41 <Ilhami> I dont even know the xml which generates it..
Apr 30 13:40:26 <Hyrixo> StinRay, view is a surfaceview
Apr 30 13:46:00 <belgianguy> is it ever appropiate to store thumbnails in SQLite?
Apr 30 13:46:21 <belgianguy> they're dynamic (provided by a webservice) but I could see those accumulate quite quickly
Apr 30 13:46:41 <belgianguy> (and caching isn't permanent, which is what I was thinking of)
Apr 30 13:53:03 <nullie> belgianguy, sdcard probably
Apr 30 13:57:02 <stiggpwnz> hi guys, I have a ViewPager as a listview header, and I want to block listview scrolling while pager is being scrolled
Apr 30 13:57:18 <stiggpwnz> block the Y scrolling when scrolling in X axis
Apr 30 13:58:00 <stiggpwnz> because ListView seem to have higher priority, and when i'm dragging the pager, it intercepts the touch events and cancels the horizontal pager dragging
Apr 30 13:58:39 <stiggpwnz> and it looks ridiculous, viewpager scrolls perfectly when scrolled exaclty in X axis, otherwise it's almost impossible to drag it
Apr 30 14:05:50 <Eric_Loves_You> stiggpwnz https://github.com/willowtreeapps/OAK/blob/master/oak-library/src/main/java/oak/widget/BeastViewPager.java
Apr 30 14:06:58 <WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, Im using GCM and getting the internal error: retry receiver class not set yet error which apparently is fixed here https://code.google.com/p/gcm/source/diff?spec=svne1a099b36566c265f758facf70b8f4f3684ed0ea&r=e1a099b36566c265f758facf70b8f4f3684ed0ea&format=side&path=/gcm-client/src/com/google/android/gcm/GCMBroadcastReceiver.java but there is no updated jar to download. how do i get this patch?..
Apr 30 14:07:25 <WhereIsMySpoon> or should I just override onReceive and put the updated code in there
Apr 30 14:07:32 <stiggpwnz> Eric_Loves_You: hmm, thanks for pointing that out
Apr 30 14:08:10 <Eric_Loves_You> stiggpwnz np. That's actually the ViewPager used in the Verge app, if you want to see how it works.
Apr 30 14:09:51 <stiggpwnz> Eric_Loves_You: fucking A mate, that's exactly what I need
Apr 30 14:10:37 <stiggpwnz> Eric_Loves_You: are you the dev? you just inserting this beasty thing in listview, without subclassing the listview, right?
Apr 30 14:11:00 <Eric_Loves_You> Yeah I am. Yeah just add it as a headerview.
Apr 30 14:11:14 <stiggpwnz> Eric_Loves_You: fucking A, you're my hero
Apr 30 14:11:23 <Eric_Loves_You> :P
Apr 30 14:16:24 <Hyrixo> StingRay_, thanks solved my problem with your displaymetrics
Apr 30 14:21:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> lol, beasty thing xD
Apr 30 14:28:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> does anyone know when GCM will be updated? last update was sept 2012 =/
Apr 30 14:33:42 <coco89> "The tag dispatch system uses the TNF and type fields to try to map a MIME type or URI to the NDEF message." <- Not sure what this means, I'm guessing it tries to establish the type of the NDEF message but isn't that already done in the type field of the record? :S
Apr 30 14:35:16 <coco89> anyone?
Apr 30 14:36:39 <Ge0rG> coco89: I read it as that for some tags, the type does not explicitly define a mime type
Apr 30 14:37:46 <coco89> Ge0rG, ah but some do? So it tries to associate a mime with an ndf msg?
Apr 30 14:37:58 <coco89> using those fields
Apr 30 14:38:19 <coco89> should it not be specified already
Apr 30 14:38:45 <Ge0rG> coco89: maybe it would help if you tell us what you need to accomplish
Apr 30 14:39:02 <coco89> Ge0rG, nothing I just wanted to understand how it works
Apr 30 14:39:26 <Ge0rG> ah
Apr 30 14:40:11 <coco89> Ge0rG, but how i understand it is correct right/
Apr 30 14:40:13 <coco89> ?
Apr 30 14:49:58 <Daejeo> hello guys :)
Apr 30 14:51:13 <Daejeo> i wonder if there is any documentation for handing mms stream on android platform. something like converting mms to wma and wma to pcm
Apr 30 14:54:31 <StingRay_> mms is a message container ? how would you convert it to a audio file ?
Apr 30 14:56:07 <erkan^> Good day. I have a question. Which file can I download on Heimball by OS X 10.8.3 : Android 4.2 from Samsung Galaxy S3?
Apr 30 15:01:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> Hm...I'm sending a notification with my third party server, the database says the notification has been sent, but my Log.v's in my onMessage aren't showing up...is there something I need to actively to do receive gcm notifications on my app?
Apr 30 15:31:04 <erkan^> Good day. I have a question. Which file can I download on Heimball by OS X 10.8.3 : Android 4.2 from Samsung Galaxy S3?
Apr 30 15:32:02 <StingRay_> that question makes no grammatical sense to me
Apr 30 15:32:26 <SimonVT> Doesn't sound like an app dev question either
Apr 30 15:32:37 <Izhido> are you a bot?
Apr 30 15:33:04 <StingRay_> Heimball = Heimdall ?
Apr 30 15:33:09 <StingRay_> by = on ?
Apr 30 15:33:20 <Izhido> still does not make any sense to me
Apr 30 15:33:21 <StingRay_> from = for ?
Apr 30 15:33:28 <StingRay_> those are my guesses
Apr 30 15:33:41 <erkan^> StingRay_,  I am deaf and impaired visually. I have a problem with grammatica
Apr 30 15:34:19 <StingRay_> erkan^:  was I correct ? your wanting to flash a 4.2 rom using heimdall on osx, to flash your GS3 ?
Apr 30 15:34:21 <Leeds> erkan^: this channel is for Android app development - your question is off-topic
Apr 30 15:34:32 <StingRay_> if yes, then go to #xda-devs  they will help
Apr 30 15:34:38 <StingRay_> or #android-root
Apr 30 15:34:40 <erkan^> Yes that is right, StingRay_
Apr 30 15:34:45 <erkan^> ok
Apr 30 15:36:06 <erkan^> I will ask by #xda-devs. I hope that they can help me
Apr 30 15:41:54 <snowpong> Anyone know the overhead of doing localbroadcasts in an app? For example broadcasting on ever onResume for example...
Apr 30 15:42:13 <snowpong> s/ever/every/
Apr 30 15:42:38 <Ge0rG> snowpong: onResume is not happening very often, you should not think too much about that one
Apr 30 15:42:56 <snowpong> thats what I believed
Apr 30 15:42:59 <snowpong> thanks
Apr 30 16:03:14 <LadyCailin> Hey, in the xml files, the @string @id stuff in the attributes, where can I find an explanation of all that?
Apr 30 16:04:07 <monsti> i hate finding rom bugs :(
Apr 30 16:20:10 <Daejeo> StingRay_: mms is audio stream, i want to fetch mms://wwewe.dhjfh.com/live
Apr 30 16:22:56 <protozoa> anyone here work on libusb with android ?
Apr 30 16:23:39 * monsti is getting mad with not that depth of hardware access ;)
Apr 30 16:23:39 <Daejeo> is it possible to use a  lower case name for app?   example  iHate
Apr 30 16:24:11 <monsti> Daejeo: no idea for the PlayStore but we used even a dot in our App name e.g. ".Foo"
Apr 30 16:24:28 <protozoa> i'm trying to write a driver to run on an android host device that will pull audio from an android client device in Accessory mode
Apr 30 16:24:56 <Ge0rG> protozoa: you won't get very far without root, unless you use the android3+ usb host api
Apr 30 16:25:08 <Ge0rG> which means you have to implement all the usb stack... in java
Apr 30 16:25:10 <protozoa> the usb-host stuff built into android is weak sauce and doesn't do isochronous transfers, but i've found a few resources online about using it with libusb
Apr 30 16:25:21 <protozoa> Ge0rG its actually possible without root
Apr 30 16:25:25 <protozoa> and either way
Apr 30 16:25:27 <protozoa> we have it if we need it
Apr 30 16:25:41 <monsti> protozoa: sounds an interessting project
Apr 30 16:25:45 <Ge0rG> protozoa: possible without root? wow!
Apr 30 16:26:01 <monsti> protozoa: are you write a "driver" app for some cool hardware?
Apr 30 16:26:25 <monsti> or it this some university project?
Apr 30 16:26:27 <protozoa> Ge0rG the way i read about it was on stack overflow so i can't confirm, but if you use a modified lib usb you can grab the raw file descriptor that is already opened by the android usb host stuff and pass it to a modified version of libusb
Apr 30 16:26:35 <protozoa> monsti its for some cool hardware :P
Apr 30 16:26:40 <monsti> wow ;)
Apr 30 16:26:44 <Ge0rG> protozoa: sounds feasible
Apr 30 16:26:56 <Ge0rG> now all I need is a libusb based usb-serial driver :>
Apr 30 16:27:01 <monsti> make me an iPhoneFake adapter for my android phone, so i can use cool car audio ;)
Apr 30 16:27:21 <protozoa> monsti i'm working on this for a car :P
Apr 30 16:27:25 <protozoa> can't say more than that
Apr 30 16:27:48 <monsti> protozoa: yeah this will take 2-3 years until the car producers got rid of the iphone
Apr 30 16:27:52 <protozoa> but basically i'm trying to get it so it can stream audio from an android phone into my hardware and grab pcm samples from it
Apr 30 16:27:59 * Ge0rG needs some obd2 codes so he can program the car hud
Apr 30 16:28:00 <monsti> but then we will see a very new generation of malware
Apr 30 16:28:06 <protozoa> haha yeah
Apr 30 16:28:08 <monsti> the carShutDown.apk
Apr 30 16:28:08 <crised> Having a htppd server that force clients to authenticates themselves with a certificate, How can I send that certificate from andriod?
Apr 30 16:28:24 <monsti> a CarBorkSphere.app
Apr 30 16:28:27 <protozoa> monsti actually ,most cars have completely separate CAN busses for infotainment than Engine control
Apr 30 16:28:41 <protozoa> afaik
Apr 30 16:28:45 <monsti> hell yeah - but no security system for that ;)
Apr 30 16:29:11 <monsti> put 3 wires in your can bus and you are "root" on your engine ;)
Apr 30 16:29:18 <protozoa> heh yeah
Apr 30 16:29:24 <protozoa> all the security lies in obscurity of CAN codes
Apr 30 16:29:28 <protozoa> its such a bullshit system
Apr 30 16:29:31 <monsti> i also love the idea of remote "firmware" updates ;)
Apr 30 16:29:49 <monsti> i worked for BMW for a trace anlyser tool
Apr 30 16:30:00 <protozoa> Ge0rG what are you trying to use usb-serial on android for?
Apr 30 16:30:16 <WhereIsMySpoon> I'm sending a notification with my third party server, the database says the notification has been sent, but my Log.v's in my onMessage aren't showing up...is there something I need to actively to do receive gcm notifications on my app?
Apr 30 16:30:17 <protozoa> i'm pretty sure someone already wrote a driver for that
Apr 30 16:30:37 <protozoa> Ge0rG https://github.com/ksksue/FTDriver
Apr 30 16:30:52 <protozoa> that will let your android act as USB host for an FTDI type serial device :P
Apr 30 16:31:53 <LuxuryMode> in my custom view, do I want to call super.onLayout at the beginning of onLayout or at the end? or does it depend on what im trying to do?
Apr 30 16:32:48 <Ge0rG> protozoa: actually, I want usb-serial-for-android to support more chips, for my ham radio app aprsdroid
Apr 30 16:34:00 <protozoa> Ge0rG bad ass! didn't know there were any hams around these days
Apr 30 16:34:01 <protozoa> heh
Apr 30 16:34:25 <monsti> lol a cell phonefor ham ;)
Apr 30 16:34:29 <Ge0rG> protozoa: yeah, ham radio is dying... but we can keep it alive for some more time by making it cool again
Apr 30 16:34:35 <protozoa> Ge0rG kc8nhw here
Apr 30 16:34:39 <Ge0rG> protozoa: do1gl
Apr 30 16:34:45 <monsti> yah - support libusb with a C64 floppy driver xDDDD
Apr 30 16:34:49 <protozoa> got my license when i was a kid with my dad because he was into it
Apr 30 16:35:01 <Ge0rG> protozoa: have a look at aprsdroid.org then :)
Apr 30 16:35:07 <protozoa> already am heh
Apr 30 16:36:13 <Ge0rG> ham radio is also getting a revival with all these SDR devices... which is cool as well
Apr 30 16:36:31 <protozoa> yeah definitely
Apr 30 16:37:07 <protozoa> i'd love a "cell phone backpack" that hooked up over USB and was a SDR transciever
Apr 30 16:37:17 <protozoa> that'd be pretty bad ass heh
Apr 30 16:39:05 <monsti> i need a  2tb ssd now!
Apr 30 16:39:12 <monsti> willing to pay $200
Apr 30 16:41:46 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: gl with that
Apr 30 16:42:36 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: £349 is cheapest i can find :P
Apr 30 16:42:56 <Ge0rG> protozoa: yeah, it would be awesome...
Apr 30 16:42:57 <monsti> a 2tb ssd?
Apr 30 16:43:12 <monsti> maybe  in 07/2014
Apr 30 16:43:12 <Ge0rG> protozoa: also, have a look at the runbo x5 phone... its got android and 70cm radio, but no sdr :(
Apr 30 16:43:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews/solidata-k8-1920e-2tb-ssd-review/
Apr 30 16:44:00 <protozoa> that could be bad ass for law enforcement
Apr 30 16:48:15 <monsti> WhereIsMySpoon: thats nice ;) but  nit fast enough to beat my samsung 840
Apr 30 16:48:41 <WhereIsMySpoon> monsti: you havent worked with GCM by any chance? :(
Apr 30 16:54:20 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, you still not got it working?
Apr 30 16:54:50 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: as far as i can see, nope, i deliver a notification and i get no log output from my Log.v's in onMessage or onError
Apr 30 16:55:05 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: maybe ive missed some setup or something i need to actively do in my app...
Apr 30 16:55:29 <WhereIsMySpoon> or on my tablet
Apr 30 16:55:32 <WhereIsMySpoon> i just dont know
Apr 30 16:56:12 <WhereIsMySpoon> google's tutorial seems to be missing the whole "when a notification is sent to the gcm servers, x and y will happen, and you need to do z to receive and show it"
Apr 30 16:56:29 <WhereIsMySpoon> it just leaves it after you make the GCMIntentService class
Apr 30 16:56:31 <WhereIsMySpoon> =/
Apr 30 16:56:47 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: you got any ideas?
Apr 30 16:57:38 <brx_> hmm
Apr 30 16:57:51 <brx_> well
Apr 30 16:57:56 <brx_>  "when a notification is sent to the gcm servers, x and y will happen, and you need to do z to receive and show it"
Apr 30 16:58:01 <brx_> you dont do anything after that
Apr 30 16:58:15 <brx_> you just send the reg id of each device you want to dispatch the push to
Apr 30 16:58:24 <brx_> you can use curl to test it
Apr 30 16:58:40 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: im using https://github.com/dondeng/gcm_on_rails the example part of this to make and send a notification
Apr 30 16:59:04 <WhereIsMySpoon> that makes a device with an id with my registration id, makes a notification linking to that device and uses rake with gcm to send it
Apr 30 16:59:21 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: what do you mean i can use curl to test it?
Apr 30 16:59:57 <brx_> well you are doing a http request(POST) to the gcm google server
Apr 30 17:00:05 <brx_> thats in essence all you are doing
Apr 30 17:00:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> sure
Apr 30 17:00:21 <brx_> so get a regid of a device, and do a curl request
Apr 30 17:00:30 <brx_> i had a really good tutorial on this, cant seem to find it
Apr 30 17:00:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> what would that request look like? i dont use curl like...at all
Apr 30 17:02:23 <brx_> curl --header "Authorization: key=$api_key" --header Content-Type:"application/json" https://android.googleapis.com/gcm/send  -d "{\"registration_ids\":[\"ABC\"]}"
Apr 30 17:02:47 <brx_> -d is basically an array of reg-id's and the dat you wnt to push
Apr 30 17:03:04 <brx_> data*
Apr 30 17:03:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> do i keep the "ABC"?
Apr 30 17:04:05 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh wait
Apr 30 17:04:06 <WhereIsMySpoon> thats the regi d
Apr 30 17:04:07 <brx_> ABC is your message
Apr 30 17:04:08 <WhereIsMySpoon> reg id*
Apr 30 17:04:10 <WhereIsMySpoon> oh
Apr 30 17:04:19 <WhereIsMySpoon> er
Apr 30 17:04:24 <brx_> i think, wait a sec ill open eclipse
Apr 30 17:04:41 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: so is this getting or pushing a notification?
Apr 30 17:05:24 <brx_> pushing, using curl
Apr 30 17:05:41 <brx_> to recieve you just look in the intent that onMessage() receieves
Apr 30 17:05:45 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: http://pastie.org/7743978
Apr 30 17:06:30 <lhunath> I have a RelativeLayout whose height is wrap_content, it is sized by a bunch of text in it, and I'm adding an imageview to it whose height I want to set to match_parent, ie. the height of the relativelayout after it's been stretched by its containing text.  but the image doesn't stretch, it just uses its own height.  why?
Apr 30 17:07:17 <StingRay_> cause your asking it to do something thats cyclic ?
Apr 30 17:08:06 <lhunath> not really, it doesn't technically need to consider the height of match_parent children to determine its own height.
Apr 30 17:08:18 <lhunath> so with two passes it could easily do this.
Apr 30 17:08:26 <StingRay_> ah so now you have 2 passes
Apr 30 17:08:39 <lhunath> are you saying that this is not something I can model with a relativelayout?
Apr 30 17:08:57 <StingRay_> well it's not something you can do the way that your attampting it
Apr 30 17:09:36 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, im assuming the device you are trying to push a notification to registered for the service?
Apr 30 17:09:39 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: so just to be sure i did this: http://pastie.org/7743998 but obviously swapping the reg id and api key for my own
Apr 30 17:09:48 <StingRay_> your saying to a child be as big as your parent, then to the parent hey, match the size of all your children
Apr 30 17:09:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: yes otherwise i wouldnt have a reg id
Apr 30 17:10:07 <StingRay_> so thats not nice, even if it did work, it would be, erm, cyclic
Apr 30 17:10:09 <brx_> it could have expired
Apr 30 17:10:15 <brx_> is it a fresh regid?
Apr 30 17:10:17 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_:  i just re-registered
Apr 30 17:10:20 <brx_> k
Apr 30 17:10:30 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: it gave the same id as i had an hr or so ago
Apr 30 17:11:15 <lhunath> no, it wouldn't.  the parent measures the children with MeasureSpec.UNSPECIFIED, then the parent measures children with MeasureSpec.AT_MOST.
Apr 30 17:12:12 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, did you enable GCM service in the google apps/dev site?
Apr 30 17:12:12 <StingRay_> ok, well I could be wrong then, if you get it working, let me know, would be interested
Apr 30 17:12:18 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: yes
Apr 30 17:13:12 <lhunath> well, clearly it doesn't work :-)  but I was hoping somebody here would stab me with some sense and I wouldn't need to dive into the code.  I guess I'm off.
Apr 30 17:13:35 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: Google Cloud Message for Android right?
Apr 30 17:13:43 <brx_> ye
Apr 30 17:13:49 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: yep that's on
Apr 30 17:15:47 <coderextreme> New acronym: jrba
Apr 30 17:15:51 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: im supposed to be using the api key from Keys for server apps right?
Apr 30 17:16:02 <WhereIsMySpoon> not key for browser apps
Apr 30 17:17:12 <coderextreme> Jrba--joke ruined by android
Apr 30 17:17:27 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: doh, i had an ip lock on my api key that i forgot about
Apr 30 17:17:28 <evanc> WhereIsMySpoon: in your client code, you use your project ID, not the API key
Apr 30 17:17:37 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: now it says Missing "registration_ids" field
Apr 30 17:17:40 <evanc> on the server, yes, use the server code
Apr 30 17:18:19 <brx_> check what evanc said
Apr 30 17:19:13 <WhereIsMySpoon> evanc: yea im using the server code on the server to send notifications
Apr 30 17:19:32 <brx_> i use php to dispatch the push notifications,this code works:http://pastebin.com/kTXaCwz1
Apr 30 17:19:39 <brx_> but using curl to test it is much quicker
Apr 30 17:20:19 <brx_> (curl in terminal i mean)
Apr 30 17:20:38 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: im doing http://pastie.org/7744033 and it has the error that i put in there
Apr 30 17:20:55 <WhereIsMySpoon> or rather response that i put in there
Apr 30 17:21:24 <WhereIsMySpoon> ive not ever used php befoer :P
Apr 30 17:23:28 <brx_> WhereIsMySpoon, outta idea sorry
Apr 30 17:34:23 <WhereIsMySpoon> brx_: im doing http://pastie.org/7744158 and it's saying Field "data" must be a JSON array: [{"somedata":"somestuff"}] but that is a json array :S
Apr 30 17:41:13 <lhunath> StingRay_: FYI, FrameLayout does a 2-pass measure.  It can model this.  It determines its own height, then remeasures its children with that.  RelativeLayout doesn't.
Apr 30 17:41:48 <StingRay_> ooo interesting
Apr 30 17:50:58 <Manavan> paint.measureText("A") gives slightly different number when called multiple times. for the same paint instance. any idea?!!
Apr 30 17:53:03 <WhereIsMySpoon> how come when i uninstall my android app and reinstall it i get the same registration id from gcm?
Apr 30 17:53:27 <monsti> maybe because of your same device id?
Apr 30 17:54:25 <evanc> WhereIsMySpoon: why would GCM generate a new one for the same user, with the same device, for the same app?
Apr 30 17:54:42 <WhereIsMySpoon> evanc: thats just what i was led to believe by people's talks about it
Apr 30 17:54:49 <WhereIsMySpoon> evanc: and it's a different app, i recompiled it
Apr 30 17:55:23 <evanc> WhereIsMySpoon: it's still the same package name (and probably still signed with the same certificate)
Apr 30 17:55:38 <WhereIsMySpoon> do i need to send the senderid with my curl request?
Apr 30 17:59:27 <speakingcode-wor> jasonamyers: from cashville?
Apr 30 18:09:39 <ciurkut> hiho. i have problem. when my app starts there is black activity which than changes to my activity. how can i get rid of this?
Apr 30 18:10:07 <ciurkut> it have its own titlebar
Apr 30 18:10:18 <ciurkut> i use custom titlebar in my activity
Apr 30 18:10:45 <monsti> i can only guess
Apr 30 18:10:55 <monsti> but i think there is one activity that launces
Apr 30 18:11:05 <monsti> and a 2nd gets opened
Apr 30 18:11:09 <Daejeo> what is the pixel size for xxhdpi ?
Apr 30 18:11:37 <Daejeo> i am to use background image
Apr 30 18:11:46 <Smashcat> Anyone know why this is only showing the first TextView inside the ScrollView? It can scroll down a long way, but there's only the first paragraph visible. http://pastebin.com/3nQ01RKE
Apr 30 18:13:10 <codebutler> Smashcat: linearlayout defaults to horizontal orientation
Apr 30 18:13:52 <Smashcat> codebutler: Ah ok, I can't scroll sideways though (did try that) I'll set orientation though thanks
Apr 30 18:15:06 <ciurkut> monsti there is no other activity
Apr 30 18:15:09 <Smashcat> codebutler: Great thanks, working fine now.
Apr 30 18:15:14 <codebutler> yeah, you'd need HorizontalScrollView for that. weird things happen when you have a ScrollView+horizontal layout. can be confusing
Apr 30 18:15:17 <ciurkut> it lauches my activity
Apr 30 18:16:15 <Smashcat> codebutler: It's weird, I hardly ever use scrollviews, even though I write Android apps quite often!
Apr 30 18:16:22 <WhereIsMySpoon> :| :| im still getting this stupid mismatchsenderid :S
Apr 30 18:18:09 <secleinteer> is it considered taboo to reuse IDs for similar layouts?
Apr 30 18:18:34 <secleinteer> like if i have two interchangeable layouts that both have a 'Time' ID, is that bad?
Apr 30 18:18:51 <SimonVT> no
Apr 30 18:19:23 <codebutler> that's the idea behind the global id system, so you can easily switch out layouts
Apr 30 18:20:21 <monsti> ciurkut: you want to have some splash screen?
Apr 30 18:20:28 <ciurkut> nope
Apr 30 18:20:43 <ciurkut> i want to have my app launch my activity
Apr 30 18:20:49 <ciurkut> as it did
Apr 30 18:20:53 <ciurkut> before i set custom title
Apr 30 18:21:01 <monsti> yes which happens
Apr 30 18:21:02 <ciurkut> without blackscreen
Apr 30 18:21:04 <monsti> as in setTitle("foo");
Apr 30 18:21:06 <ciurkut> with title on it
Apr 30 18:21:35 <monsti> or by a string value in a xml file?
Apr 30 18:21:36 <ciurkut> it shows first blackscreen with title for 200ms
Apr 30 18:21:41 <ciurkut> and than my activity
Apr 30 18:21:49 <ciurkut> and i didnt add activity
Apr 30 18:21:49 <monsti> yeah show me your manifest
Apr 30 18:21:51 <ciurkut> or anything
Apr 30 18:22:43 <monsti> not by query ;) i won't read it
Apr 30 18:23:04 <Daejeo> what background image size should I use for  xxhdpi screen?
Apr 30 18:24:04 <Smashcat> One thing I wish they'd fix in Eclipse - if I change a line of code, then hit CTRL+F11, it'll reinstall and relaunch an app. However, if I change XML resource content, CTRL+F11 doesn't as it thinks nothing's changed. So I end up adding and deleting a space in a source code file, then CTRL+F11 after each XML edit!
Apr 30 18:24:21 <ciurkut> http://pastebin.com/s60v9UxD
Apr 30 18:24:30 <ciurkut> monsti
Apr 30 18:25:26 <monsti> ok thx reading
Apr 30 18:25:51 <Sirolf> ciurkut ... figured out the problem you had yesterday?
Apr 30 18:25:57 <ciurkut> yep
Apr 30 18:26:02 <ciurkut> my app is almost done
Apr 30 18:26:08 <Sirolf> what was it?
Apr 30 18:26:09 <ciurkut> but i have problem with custom titlebar
Apr 30 18:26:16 <ciurkut> i set custom titlebar
Apr 30 18:26:32 <ciurkut> and now when i launch my app for brief moment there is black screen with title on it
Apr 30 18:26:41 <ciurkut> and than my real activity shows
Apr 30 18:26:47 <ciurkut> i didnt add any activity
Apr 30 18:26:54 <ciurkut> and im about to get pissed off :<
Apr 30 18:27:09 <ciurkut> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9135663/custom-title-bar-still-shows-original-on-startup
Apr 30 18:27:12 <ciurkut> its like this
Apr 30 18:27:17 <ciurkut> but this dosnt help
Apr 30 18:27:35 <monsti> ciurkut: try a custom theme without the titlebar
Apr 30 18:27:46 <ciurkut> it crashes
Apr 30 18:28:06 <ciurkut> i think that it would not crash
Apr 30 18:28:07 <monsti> i have a splash activity without a titlebar
Apr 30 18:28:20 <ciurkut> so what?
Apr 30 18:28:22 <monsti> this is done by a custom theme
Apr 30 18:28:29 <ciurkut> i know how its done
Apr 30 18:28:36 <ciurkut> but im setting custom titlebar later
Apr 30 18:28:42 <WhereIsMySpoon> AHA :D:D got it
Apr 30 18:28:49 <ciurkut> so it crashes cause there is no titlebar set
Apr 30 18:29:58 <monsti> ciurkut: sorry i still don't get it - what exactly are you trying to do?
Apr 30 18:30:12 <ciurkut> i made custom titlebar
Apr 30 18:30:16 <ciurkut> instead of default one
Apr 30 18:30:32 <ciurkut> i added it with window.feature_custom_titlebar
Apr 30 18:30:39 <ciurkut> and it makes me now this activity
Apr 30 18:31:38 <saelo> is there an overview somewhere over all possible device configuration options (the stuff in BoardConfig.mk etc)?
Apr 30 18:32:09 <monsti> ciurkut: something like that? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2686556/try-to-use-window-feature-custom-title-but-got-exceptionyou-cannot-combine-cust
Apr 30 18:32:51 <ciurkut> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9135663/custom-title-bar-still-shows-original-on-startup
Apr 30 18:36:48 <ciurkut> anyone can help with custom title showing old title for brief moment at start?
Apr 30 18:36:50 <monsti> ciurkut: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2686556/try-to-use-window-feature-custom-title-but-got-exceptionyou-cannot-combine-cust - i think there is a fix for the crash you are getting
Apr 30 18:37:00 <ciurkut> yep its like that
Apr 30 18:37:07 <ciurkut> but there is no solution in your link
Apr 30 18:37:10 <ciurkut> for that other title
Apr 30 18:37:13 <monsti> check that "useTitleFeature" stuff about 50% of the page
Apr 30 18:37:24 <ciurkut> i have that already
Apr 30 18:37:58 <ciurkut> ill have to set splashscreen
Apr 30 18:38:02 <ciurkut> :/
Apr 30 18:43:00 <mheld> hey y'all
Apr 30 18:44:48 <ciurkut> now it works :3
Apr 30 18:44:50 <ciurkut> :333
Apr 30 18:44:56 <ciurkut> thanks monsti
Apr 30 18:48:38 <etcetera> moin.
Apr 30 18:49:29 <monsti> ciurkut: that's cool :)
Apr 30 18:49:49 <superderp> has anyone ever had logcat work? :P
Apr 30 18:50:13 <sonOfRa> never hadn't
Apr 30 18:51:48 <mheld> anybody here ever manage to use gridviews with ratio-ed layouts? (as in, using layout_weight=x vs layout_width=ydp)
Apr 30 18:53:27 <SimonVT> Considering gridview doesn't support weight, I'd say no
Apr 30 18:53:53 <Daejeo> is it possible to setText at run time on image button?
Apr 30 18:54:09 <speakingcode-wor> Daejeo: yes
Apr 30 18:54:48 <speakingcode-wor> Button b = (Button) findViewById(R.id.somebutton);  b.setText("humdedum");
Apr 30 18:57:08 <superderp> I needed to make a custom ScrollView class, and I just changed my declaration of the scrollview to the custom class and it of course crashes saying it can't cast scrollview to the custom one, where should i begin looking to solve this?
Apr 30 18:57:28 <Daejeo> speakingcode-wor: thank you. now I design a button without text. i want to update live stream info
Apr 30 19:06:00 <ciurkut> anyone have any idea why android sometimes when you click on list item makes background yellow
Apr 30 19:06:06 <ciurkut> but mostly doesnt?:<
Apr 30 19:06:44 <crised> After writing my app, trying it my usb phone, Where can I see APK file?
Apr 30 19:07:12 <lordmegamax> Hi. Can you help me with WakeLock?
Apr 30 19:07:58 <ciurkut> crised im not sure but you probably cant. i wanted to see my apk files so i installed airdroid
Apr 30 19:08:25 <crised> ciurkut: mm
Apr 30 19:08:54 <crised> ciurkut: maybe just passing the apk into sd card then download it from there it's the only option
Apr 30 19:08:56 <ciurkut> and in airdroid you open file explorer and in data folder are your apk files
Apr 30 19:09:21 <ciurkut> but you did put apk by hand? on your phone?
Apr 30 19:09:23 <lordmegamax> After releasing a WakeLock screen is not turned off :(
Apr 30 19:09:32 <ciurkut> not installed using debuging mode?
Apr 30 19:09:41 <ciurkut> if you copied your apk file by hand
Apr 30 19:09:44 <crised> ciurkut: installed using Run on eclipse
Apr 30 19:09:55 <ciurkut> so you have to do it via airdroid
Apr 30 19:10:14 <crised> ciurkut: you just gave me an awesome idea
Apr 30 19:10:21 <ciurkut> yep
Apr 30 19:10:23 <crised> ciurkut: did not know about airdroid
Apr 30 19:10:27 <ciurkut> you can than decompile apk
Apr 30 19:10:31 <monsti> lordmegamax: there is another "2.x" style way in doing that
Apr 30 19:10:33 <ciurkut> and than see code of other people
Apr 30 19:10:36 <ciurkut> mwahahahaha :<
Apr 30 19:10:57 <ciurkut> or retrieve their assets
Apr 30 19:11:00 <crised> ciurkut: they will be able to see mine as well :)
Apr 30 19:11:11 <ciurkut> yep but you can use obfuscator
Apr 30 19:11:14 <lordmegamax> <monsti>, how?
Apr 30 19:11:18 <ciurkut> to make code a lil bit more unreadable
Apr 30 19:11:36 <crised> ciurkut: yep, AirDroid works on 3G as well?
Apr 30 19:11:53 <ciurkut> airdroid works only on wifi
Apr 30 19:11:56 <ciurkut> but im not sure
Apr 30 19:12:02 <ciurkut> google it :p
Apr 30 19:12:27 <ciurkut> i have laptop but dont have router
Apr 30 19:12:30 <ciurkut> its not problem
Apr 30 19:12:33 <monsti> lordmegamax: one second doing some copy & paste
Apr 30 19:12:43 <crised> ciurkut: anything similar to airdroid? I want to manage 20 different phones from one place
Apr 30 19:12:44 <ciurkut> you can make wifi host from your laptop by using connectify
Apr 30 19:13:11 <ciurkut> dunno
Apr 30 19:13:50 <monsti> lordmegamax: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5331152/correct-method-for-setkeepscreenon-flag-keep-screen-on
Apr 30 19:14:09 <monsti> lordmegamax: that's a way where you don't need a permission in the manifest (which sucks!)
Apr 30 19:14:40 <pfn> how does eclipse insert an apk into an emulator to run?
Apr 30 19:14:40 <monsti> lordmegamax: i didn't want to use android:keepScreenOn="true"
Apr 30 19:14:45 <pfn> I'd like to do something similar outside of eclipse
Apr 30 19:14:51 <monsti> pfn: adb install foo.apk
Apr 30 19:14:58 <pfn> that's not how eclipse does it
Apr 30 19:15:12 <pfn> because adb install takes ~20 seconds for an app of any girth
Apr 30 19:15:22 <lordmegamax> <monsti> I tried your way, but this is not wake up device...
Apr 30 19:15:23 <pfn> eclipse takes all of a second or two
Apr 30 19:15:45 <monsti> lordmegamax: from a service?
Apr 30 19:16:03 <monsti> pfn: eclipse makes some entartainment
Apr 30 19:16:23 <monsti> pfn: if you enable that wait button in the launcher it also takes forevery to launch ;)
Apr 30 19:16:33 <pfn> huh?
Apr 30 19:16:35 <pfn> no, it doesn't
Apr 30 19:22:09 <kbs> Is there a way to store just plain old passwords (or symmetric keys) in the new KeyStore api in 4.0? (ref: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/03/unifying-key-store-access-in-ics.html)
Apr 30 19:41:31 * monsti declares today as patch day
Apr 30 19:44:00 * pfn headscratches how to copy apks to emulator faster
Apr 30 19:44:08 <pfn> I suppose I could cheat with an sdcard image
Apr 30 19:44:34 <monsti> i use androvm
Apr 30 19:50:02 <pfn> that doesn't speed up installs any
Apr 30 20:01:20 <Manavan> I am using paint.measureText() but for the same string like "y" it gives 29 sometimes and 28 some other time. Any idea?!
Apr 30 20:02:37 <kbs> do you really get an integer? (or just showing an example?)
Apr 30 20:03:06 <Manavan> I get a float number like 29.0
Apr 30 20:03:51 <Manavan> same paint instance gives two different number for same string
Apr 30 20:04:51 <kbs> hm; that's indeed a bit surprising. I was initially going to say that (in practice) things generally are indeed off by a pixel, because internally the dimensions are non-integer floats -- but there's probalby more to this story
Apr 30 20:06:26 <Manavan> I tried to debug android source but it is calling native_measureText a cpp function which i cant get into from eclipse
Apr 30 20:07:02 <kbs> do you have something that lets you look inside the ttf file being used?
Apr 30 20:07:29 <kbs> you can do a quick sanity check (if you have the patience) to calculate the measured text width of a given character, then scale it appropriately with the density
Apr 30 20:07:45 <kbs> it's usually not a perfectly round number of course, so I suspct something is rounding it off to an int somewhece in the middle
Apr 30 20:08:19 <Manavan> hmm ya so measureText do these multiplication internally?
Apr 30 20:08:43 <subtask> Hello
Apr 30 20:09:11 <kbs> I don't know, I'm afraid. I vaguely remember android uses a slightly offbeat library to handle ttf -- but i'm in unknown territory for me
Apr 30 20:09:21 <subtask> Hi! Are there Android Apps developer willing and available to spend their 2 minutes talking about the tools you use to detect and solve bugs during development? I am looking for analysis tools specific for Android and any suggestion would be appreciated! Thanks!!
Apr 30 20:09:57 <kbs> you might (just for completeness) also use (*thinks*) there are some fontmetrics classes
Apr 30 20:10:57 <kbs> I wonder if paint is just using fontmetricsint, rather than fontmetrics
Apr 30 20:11:10 <kbs> that would explain much of the issue
Apr 30 20:11:29 <Manavan> kbs, i was looking for android source for Paint I came across this (Java): http://gitorious.org/0xdroid/frameworks_base/blobs/5ac8f409f52b4b121614a8797d289f01f96c6527/tools/layoutlib/bridge/src/android/graphics/Paint.java
Apr 30 20:11:53 <Manavan> But then when I debug, Paint.class looks different as it tries to invoke a c++ function native_measureText
Apr 30 20:12:02 <Manavan> any idea
Apr 30 20:12:11 <Manavan> font metrics is used in the link i gave above
Apr 30 20:13:30 <kbs> Manavan: that link is probably an outdated implementation, I suppose. I'm not really sure about your original question in any event ;-) Is there a reason you need this level of accuracy?
Apr 30 20:15:13 <Manavan> kbs >> I am building a custom vertical textview to support Vertical letters for Asian characters. So I have to ellipsize text. Due to this inacuracy it ellipsize when it can fit the text.
Apr 30 20:15:48 <kbs> Manavan: gotcha. Does the standard staticlayout class not do the trick for vertical letters?
Apr 30 20:16:33 <kbs> (android.text.StaticLayout)
Apr 30 20:16:37 <Manavan> kbs >> I wasnt able to use it as I have  a requirement to mix vertical letters (asian) with rotated (English or digits).
Apr 30 20:17:18 <kbs> Gotcha. Well, the one thought i have for you, is that you won't be able to (correctly anyway) use a fixed value for a given string -- it'll always need to be "in context"
Apr 30 20:17:22 <kbs> what I mean is
Apr 30 20:17:45 <kbs> length ("abc") != length("a")+length("b")+length("c"), even if the font has identical inter-character kerns
Apr 30 20:18:12 <kbs> over a long string, this will usually result in errors of several pixels -- if you do it one character at a time
Apr 30 20:18:29 <Manavan> yes i understand that. So my view will only use one way or other. So when the letters are mixed, it will only calculate letter by letter.
Apr 30 20:18:51 <Manavan> I just need it to be consistent on repeated one-by-one letter calculation
Apr 30 20:18:58 <kbs> it won't be :-)
Apr 30 20:19:24 <Manavan> it wont be because of the measureText("y") returning slightly off numbers?
Apr 30 20:19:34 <kbs> basically, yeah.
Apr 30 20:20:01 <kbs> I wonder if you'd be best off calculating the widths directl from the ttf -- then you can avoid all this stuff
Apr 30 20:20:28 <kbs> I had to do this a long time back. Essentially, I had a tool that would extract the "true" widths from the font, and I loaded that seperate from the font
Apr 30 20:20:32 <Manavan> oh hmm ya might be the only choice. I just wanted to look at what measureText do exactly. It seems its in cpp
Apr 30 20:20:36 <kbs> *nod*
Apr 30 20:20:49 <Manavan> oh ic!
Apr 30 20:21:08 <kbs> yeah. Stupid hack, but that was the most reliable way I found to be consistent across android versions
Apr 30 20:21:26 <Manavan> oh damn.
Apr 30 20:21:42 <Manavan> do u have any pointer to get started on that? I am using Georgia font
Apr 30 20:21:46 <kbs> of course, maybe I just didn't know any better :) but it was sufficient for me
Apr 30 20:22:39 <jdawes> Is there a difference in loading time between using setContentView() in an Activity and inflate() in a Fragment?
Apr 30 20:23:03 <kbs> Manavan: Well -- not sure -- I just had some ttf parsing tools I put together from perl/etc, and just went through my fonts and dumped it into some text file
Apr 30 20:23:45 <kbs> Manavan: I also wonder whether for your less complicated situation, whether there might be a way to measure at least long runs of strings (rather than building it one at a time)
Apr 30 20:24:37 <kbs> for ellipsizing especially, you just need to know when you run out; and that might be "good-enough" to not need pixel level accuracy if you can merge all the characters from one font when you measure it
Apr 30 20:25:40 <kbs> ie, if a candidate line is "abcXzynoBBD", where lower-case is fontA, and uppercase is font B, then you might be able to get a (assuming no kerning) approximation with length("abczyno") + length("XBBD"), etc
Apr 30 20:25:55 <kbs> if you kern the text, then life gets much more complicated...
Apr 30 20:26:20 <Manavan> ya true. May be i have to live with an approximation
Apr 30 20:26:46 <kbs> are you ellipsizing at space boundaries? Or just the last character?
Apr 30 20:26:57 <Manavan> last character.
Apr 30 20:27:49 <Manavan> So my view has like wrap_content so I first run measuring on the text to define its length. Later I use this to see if it needs ellipsize
Apr 30 20:28:12 <Manavan> may be i can set a flag to detect that it was measured from letters (wrap content) so dont ellipsize
Apr 30 20:28:52 <Manavan> that might work
Apr 30 20:29:49 <kbs> cool ;) have to say, I'm still flummoxed why measureText("x") would return different values (unless it's actually something like measureText("abcx") - measureText("abc") or something. oh well. Good luck!
Apr 30 20:30:24 <Manavan> ya me too! I think I will do that research later once I figure out how to debug cpp.
Apr 30 20:30:37 <Izhido> technically, it makes a lot of sense
Apr 30 20:30:39 <Manavan> kbs thanks for your help.
Apr 30 20:30:48 <Izhido> for all practical purposes, though, it's rubbish
Apr 30 20:31:10 <Manavan> Izhido, it makes sense to return different values for same string?
Apr 30 20:31:16 <Manavan> like "y"
Apr 30 20:31:27 <Izhido> wait. Same string?
Apr 30 20:31:30 <Manavan> yep
Apr 30 20:31:41 <Izhido> um... different font, maybe?
Apr 30 20:31:43 <Manavan> same paint instance and i call paint.measureText("y")
Apr 30 20:31:58 <Izhido> fuck. You lost me there.
Apr 30 20:32:12 <Manavan> lol its ok thanks for trying to help
Apr 30 20:38:54 <jdawes> a
Apr 30 20:44:01 <dexter> I'm having a bit of trouble with this http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/building-ui.html , I have button_send and edit_message in strings.xml, but it keeps saying no resource found.
Apr 30 20:44:10 <dexter> (assuming this is the right place to ask.)
Apr 30 20:51:34 <dexter> Eh, I'm gonna delete the project and start over. o_0 probably just typed in something wrong.
Apr 30 20:54:01 <kbs> I'm usually impressed by people who remain productive in Eclipse ;-)
Apr 30 20:55:04 <cryptic> kbs: I just discovered the power of emacs
Apr 30 20:55:15 <kbs> :-)
Apr 30 20:55:21 <cryptic> emacs + org-mode
Apr 30 20:55:35 <cryptic> to think I used to take notes by writing latex by hand
Apr 30 20:58:38 <dexter> I must've typed it in wrong the first time. /shrug.
Apr 30 20:59:06 <dexter> I usually use vim, but meh. I figured I'd give eclipse a try.
Apr 30 20:59:37 <kbs> watching someone code in eclipse vaguely feels like someone tapdancing with a slightly tipsy and geriatric elephant; but I remember when people using vi had similar opinions about emacs, so  what do I know :-)
Apr 30 21:01:00 * dexter slaps his keyboard with a trout.
Apr 30 21:05:03 <Anaphaxeton> my usual question... is it possible to render an android device, an EHCI debbuger?
Apr 30 21:11:52 <crised> How can I get CLI access to Android?
Apr 30 21:12:11 <crised> for example how can I execute 'ls' command
Apr 30 21:12:19 <evanc> adb shell
Apr 30 21:12:33 <crised> only in virtual devices?
Apr 30 21:12:48 <evanc> no
Apr 30 21:13:02 <crised> evanc: Can I use Eclipse to do it?
Apr 30 21:13:14 <evanc> no
Apr 30 21:14:31 <hesperaux> hello
Apr 30 21:17:16 <crised> evanc: works great, thanks, any way to view list of available commmands?
Apr 30 21:18:10 <pfn> hmm, jdwp doesn't let me watch variables?  boo
Apr 30 21:19:26 <evanc> crised: echo $PATH, then ls all of those
Apr 30 21:20:23 <crised> evanc: adb shell echo $PATH
Apr 30 21:20:40 <crised> evanc: prints my actual desktop linux variables
Apr 30 21:21:16 <evanc> crised: adb shell first
Apr 30 21:21:20 <evanc> then echo $PATH
Apr 30 21:21:33 <evanc> crised: or adb shell 'echo $PATH'
Apr 30 21:22:07 <crised> evanc: awesome dude, thx!
Apr 30 21:22:43 <evanc> not a problem
Apr 30 21:23:19 <crised> evanc: I get permissions denied for some dirs, is this because my phone ain't rooted?
Apr 30 21:28:17 <evanc> crised: yeah
Apr 30 21:30:01 <mheld> wtf. I thought wrap_content was a dimen, no?
Apr 30 21:31:05 <evanc> no, it's a layout flag (unless I misunderstand something)
Apr 30 21:31:50 <hesperaux> it's a LayoutParam isn't it?
Apr 30 21:34:23 <mheld> I'm trying to set the layout_width of a linearlayout based on the screen size it's coming from
Apr 30 21:34:27 <Quacked> oh pleaaaase help me refactor this: http://pastebin.com/8NRECC0w
Apr 30 21:34:30 <Quacked> I can't think straight
Apr 30 21:34:44 <mheld> so I'm trying to use @dimens/max_width, but I can only use hard-coded dimensions
Apr 30 21:34:58 <mheld> not wrap_content and fill_parent
Apr 30 21:36:33 <hesperaux> guys, what does it mean in an AsyncTask for the arguments to the overridden methods to be 'Void...' or 'Integer...' instead of 'Void' or 'Integer'?
Apr 30 21:36:41 <hesperaux> I've never seen this before in java
Apr 30 21:37:09 <mheld> ... = a variable length
Apr 30 21:37:17 <hesperaux> =S
Apr 30 21:37:19 <mheld> so Void... is a variable length array of type void
Apr 30 21:37:24 <hesperaux> can it be length 1?
Apr 30 21:37:30 <mheld> yup!
Apr 30 21:37:42 <aleb> Did anybody use ant & ivy with apklib files from maven?
Apr 30 21:37:48 <hesperaux> but i'd have to retrieve it in an array context...i.e. arguments[0]
Apr 30 21:38:13 <kbs> mheld: wonder if you need to split your layout across screen sizes, rather than just the dimens.xml...
Apr 30 21:38:33 <hesperaux> mheld, alright, i understand. thanks mate
Apr 30 21:39:24 <mheld> kbs: I want it to be wrap_content everywhere except the google nexus 10
Apr 30 21:39:35 <mheld> where I wanna give it a real height
Apr 30 21:40:41 <kbs> mheld: yep. I'm wondering if the simplest is just to split off the layout into a nexus device-like folder (ie, under res/layout-xxxdp/mylayout.xml) or something, rather than trying to finagle it within dimens.xml)
Apr 30 21:41:03 <mheld> oh, that works
Apr 30 21:42:03 <hesperaux> can I pass an object into an AsyncTask?
Apr 30 21:42:03 <kbs> You might be able to do that with just device-specific dimens.xml alone, but this approach is safer; and usually a bit more flexible for wonky layouts
Apr 30 21:42:48 <mheld> kbs: I had like 10 versions of that file at one point
Apr 30 21:43:03 <mheld> kbs: I just rearchitected it to work on all of 'em
Apr 30 21:43:09 <kbs> :-)
Apr 30 21:43:10 <mheld> except it flips out on the nexus 10
Apr 30 21:43:41 <kbs> I've come to the conclusion that it's best to design android layouts more like css with media queries, rather than anything else...
Apr 30 21:46:19 <mheld> actually, maybe I'm just doing something wrong
Apr 30 21:46:29 <mheld> maybe one of y'all can critique how I'm building this view?
Apr 30 21:49:50 <mheld> http://pastie.org/private/nehxkdfvip7a9wctkiftka should give us -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63726/device-2013-04-30-144805.png but there's a moment before it's done loading where it looks like this -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63726/device-2013-04-30-144915.png
Apr 30 21:54:41 <hesperaux> android.view.ViewRootImpl$CalledFromWrongThreadException: Only the original thread that created a view hierarchy can touch its views.
Apr 30 21:55:04 <hesperaux> I have a private AsyncTask and i'm trying to change the UI with it during doInBackground()
Apr 30 21:55:21 <hesperaux> it seemed like that was okay, even though I wondered why a thread could change the UI
Apr 30 21:55:32 <brx_> onProgress()
Apr 30 21:55:40 <hesperaux> apparently it's not okay, but they seem to be doing it without any problems in this example: http://www.javasrilankansupport.com/2012/11/asynctask-android-example-asynctask-in.html
Apr 30 21:55:41 <brx_> you can update from doInBackground()
Apr 30 21:56:09 <mheld> hesperaux: runOnUiThread(RUNNABLE)
Apr 30 21:56:27 <hesperaux> i'm reading a binary file, processing the data, and adding that data to a View in the UI. reading the file is process intensive
Apr 30 21:57:12 <hesperaux> mheld, if it runs on the UI thread, won't it block the UI thread?
Apr 30 21:57:36 <brx_> hesperaux, you want yo update UI from doInBkg()?
Apr 30 21:58:14 <hesperaux> brx_, yes, I am streaming a lot of data out of a file into the UI thread. I can do this slowly, and that's okay.
Apr 30 21:58:23 <brx_> @Override protected void onProgressUpdate(Void... values) and then use publishProgress() from doInBackground()
Apr 30 21:58:25 <hesperaux> I have a GraphView set up in the UI and i am populating it with data points
Apr 30 21:58:56 <hesperaux> hmm
Apr 30 21:59:01 * kbs will again note the problem with the asynctask UI is it's non-intuitive assumptions about the validity of the underlying activity.. ;-)
Apr 30 21:59:44 <kbs> mheld: are you able to fix the grid width/height (for various classes of widths, say?)
Apr 30 21:59:48 <hesperaux> okay. i'm doing that for the progress bar right now - you're saying also update the other views in that same event handler?
Apr 30 22:00:15 <kbs> that srilankancode is also buggy, and points to whoever spots it :-)
Apr 30 22:01:23 <pfn> huh, why are my components getting mixed up in ViewGroup.dispatchRestoreInstanceState
Apr 30 22:04:23 <evanc> pfn: do they have the same IDs?
Apr 30 22:06:04 <pfn> they do not
Apr 30 22:08:29 <pfn> they're the same component type
Apr 30 22:08:49 <hesperaux> brx_, thanks for the tip. I've got it working (sorta lol)
Apr 30 22:08:57 <hesperaux> it's pretty bad, but i'm not surprised considering what i'm making it do
Apr 30 22:11:20 <pfn> but they do not share the same id
Apr 30 22:12:16 <pfn> how do I turn off state restoration?
Apr 30 22:18:00 <mheld> kbs: I did at one point, then there were the weirdass phones that broke everything
Apr 30 22:18:22 <kbs> heh
Apr 30 22:18:47 <mheld> kbs: I mean, we *could* just limit it to the non-weirdass phones
Apr 30 22:18:50 <mheld> but I'd rather not
Apr 30 22:19:12 <kbs> well. fwiw, that would be the way i'd try to work it anyway. You could let the gridview decide the number of columns automatically, but fix the module (grid)
Apr 30 22:19:59 <kbs> your tile would basically have he same heights across a device class, but different widths (square -> landscape, basically)
Apr 30 22:20:23 <kbs> but then again, you have the actual devices that you're testing; so you probably have already gone down this path
Apr 30 22:20:25 * pfn headscratches some more
Apr 30 22:23:11 <mheld> kbs: the problem is that we'll end up with weird spacing
Apr 30 22:24:53 <pfn> meh, I guess I've identified where the ids were conflicting
Apr 30 22:25:03 <pfn> in some generated views
Apr 30 22:25:09 <pfn> (generated in code)
Apr 30 22:25:16 <kbs> mheld: would you? hm. oh well, maybe i'm not seeing the ratholes that you've already dipped into :-)
Apr 30 22:27:56 <lagann> does anyone know why the dialog theme was removed from action bar sherlock?
Apr 30 22:28:36 <lagann> i have an activity that i wanted to theme like a dialog, but since all our activities extend from the sherlock activity, there's no specific dialog theme i can use that extends from Theme.Sherlock
Apr 30 22:38:28 <Daejeo> is it possible to setText at runtime on ImageButton?
Apr 30 22:41:52 <pfn> programmatically adding radiobutton to radiogroup ftl
Apr 30 22:42:01 <pfn> since there's no good way at getting the checked index or checked view
Apr 30 22:42:23 <pfn> lagann, that's easy, make your own dialog theme that extends Theme.Sherlock
Apr 30 22:46:00 <mheld> kbs: the problem is that with a fixed width + height, the grid columns get too close together and you lose spacing
Apr 30 22:46:16 <mheld> kbs: or if you're on a weird-ass phone with weird resolution, the spacing will be too big
Apr 30 22:46:32 <mheld> kbs: so, I'm trying to have the grid tiles resize based on that
Apr 30 22:57:58 <kbs> mheld: GridView should handle fluid width, no? Have you already tried just fixing the height, and setting gridview with the auto-fit columns?
Apr 30 22:59:54 <kbs> I will admit I've battled with gridview often enough to not be entirely happy; but dunno -- least worst option that will also handle memory issues gracefully I guess.
Apr 30 23:01:32 <kbs> worst case, i've sometimes just used a listview, and (in essence) a custom layout for each row, which makes things more flexible (and a bit more complicated too.)
Apr 30 23:04:03 <kbs> I guess you might also wait for romainguy to turn up here -- he'll almost certainly have the most appropriate solution.
Apr 30 23:11:21 <androidman> helo
Apr 30 23:11:49 <androidman> I get the "unable to instantiate activity componentinfo.." error in logcat, how do i fix it?
Apr 30 23:11:54 <androidman> my manifest is fine
Apr 30 23:12:01 <androidman> something is wrong with my class
Apr 30 23:13:01 <androidman> i dont know how to explain :S
Apr 30 23:13:10 <brx_> does it also say NullPointerException?
Apr 30 23:13:38 <androidman> yes
Apr 30 23:13:56 <brx_> perhaps you forgot to instantiate a view before using it
Apr 30 23:14:47 <evanc> androidman: pastebin your logcat output
Apr 30 23:15:14 <androidman> this is the code http://pastebin.com/ASZkqgV4
Apr 30 23:15:53 <androidman> errors started showing up after adding "if(context.getPackageManager()..."
Apr 30 23:17:07 <androidman> logcat: http://pastebin.com/unkqNBtQ
Apr 30 23:19:46 <codebutler> androidman: you need to take a step back and actually understand what you're writing here
Apr 30 23:20:16 <codebutler> maybe start with BASIC and master that first.
Apr 30 23:20:39 <mheld> kbs: I could try that (autofitting columns)
Apr 30 23:22:02 <mheld> kbs: what I ended up doing was picking a set number of columns and having the tiles inflate to fill the space
Apr 30 23:24:09 <Daejeo> is it possible to parse live stream on android platform ?  http://someserver/live
Apr 30 23:25:15 <evanc> Daejeo: that question makes no sense
Apr 30 23:25:31 <codebutler> Daejeo: most things are possible
Apr 30 23:33:24 <Anniepoo> anybody here with experience with Android OTG USB?  I'm enbaffled
Apr 30 23:33:56 <Anniepoo> I'm using this to read input, http://collabedit.com/uasj6
Apr 30 23:34:20 <Anniepoo> nvm, I'll probably be right back, but see an error
Apr 30 23:34:48 <kbs> mheld: *nod* gotcha. Well, hope some combo of the autofit column options work out for you - might simplify some of the decisions. You'll just need to pick the correct physical tile height for any given screen physical width
Apr 30 23:36:28 <kbs> mheld: the tiles should of course be uniform (hopefully!) on a given device/orientation, but their widths won't consistent across devices, etc... I think for that mockup, it might work out as the bes compromise. But if you have the opportunity, suggest getting the answer from the horse's mouth (so to speak) from romainguy
Apr 30 23:38:03 <kbs> codebutler (or anyone else ;-) have you been able to figure out a way to store plain old passwords in the keychain api exposed in 4.0?
Apr 30 23:38:16 <codebutler> have no used the keychain api
Apr 30 23:38:17 <codebutler> not*
Apr 30 23:39:18 <kbs> okay (oh well, was worth a shot asking you :)
Apr 30 23:42:58 <hesperaux> can someone tell me why the following conditional always evaluates to true? I'm just not seeing it right now: if( ( (int) (currentPacket / totalPackets * 100) % 5 ) == 0) {
Apr 30 23:43:25 <hesperaux> currentpacket and totalpackets are longs
Apr 30 23:44:54 <brx_> can i just replace() a fragment with itself from the FragmentActivity or should I always re-use the instance of the fragment and make use of its class members again etc?
Apr 30 23:45:41 <evanc> hesperaux: is it doing integer division? what's int foo = (int) (currentPacket / totalPackets * 100) ?
Apr 30 23:46:24 <canadiancow> have you tried 100 * currentPacket / totalPackets ?
Apr 30 23:47:04 <hesperaux> why would the order of */ matter?
Apr 30 23:47:13 <JakeWharton> integer division. he just told you
Apr 30 23:47:29 <canadiancow> 4/300 * 100 is 0
Apr 30 23:47:37 <hesperaux> i see
Apr 30 23:47:49 <canadiancow> 100 * 4 / 300 = 1
Apr 30 23:47:50 <hesperaux> so the problem would be that 100 is not a long in this case
Apr 30 23:48:06 <JakeWharton> no, the division is the problem
Apr 30 23:48:26 <JakeWharton> it will always truncate so unless the values are equal you'll always get zero
Apr 30 23:48:40 <JakeWharton> (assuming the first is always less than second value)
Apr 30 23:48:54 <hesperaux> ok
Apr 30 23:49:15 <hesperaux> so how do I do division using longs..?
Apr 30 23:49:31 <JakeWharton> multiple one by 1f or just switch the order of operations like canadiancow told you
Apr 30 23:49:43 <hesperaux> switching the order of operations has no effect
Apr 30 23:50:13 <hesperaux> so you're saying I need to use a float representation of the operands to obtain a float answer?
Apr 30 23:53:12 <hesperaux> if i cast one of the longs to float, it works...thanks for the hint
Apr 30 23:54:22 <JakeWharton> http://ideone.com/jjQ2VP
Apr 30 23:54:29 <JakeWharton> yeah. except you should've done canadiancow's way
Apr 30 23:54:55 <canadiancow> :)
Apr 30 23:55:17 <hesperaux> i did try it that way
Apr 30 23:55:25 <hesperaux> it yielded the same result
Apr 30 23:55:53 <JakeWharton> the properties of math disagree
Apr 30 23:56:00 <JakeWharton> and my sample
Apr 30 23:56:12 <jug6ernaut_> math is a lie
Apr 30 23:57:00 <hesperaux> you are correct
Apr 30 23:57:11 <hesperaux> I am not sure what I did to skew that trial before
Apr 30 23:57:24 <hesperaux> int blarg = (int) (100 * currentPacket / totalPackets); shows the correct number
May 01 00:03:34 <kakazza> more right because less casting and uncessesary multiplication by 1F?
May 01 00:05:06 <JakeWharton> correct
May 01 00:06:01 <pfn> hmm, is there any easy way for a view to detect ontouchoutside?
May 01 00:06:43 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Any chance of you giving talks in Europe?
May 01 00:07:07 <JakeWharton> Devoxx maybe
May 01 00:10:03 <kakazza> 2014?
May 01 00:10:58 <funkbox> any other io parties other than facebook and lookout ?
May 01 00:13:02 <kakazza> JakeWharton, regarding your tweet, I recently thought that myself. I don't think I can live without otto anymore. It just makes so much sense.
May 01 00:13:20 <JakeWharton> there's no 2013 devoxx?
May 01 00:13:55 <kakazza> Was in March from what I've seen.
May 01 00:14:08 <JakeWharton> Otto is very useful. Just be careful not to do too much across the bus. There's something to be said about tight coupling (e.g. calling methods directly on an object)
May 01 00:14:26 <funkbox> JakeWharton: how do you define "too much" ?
May 01 00:14:29 <JakeWharton> they did some weird France/London one back-to-back
May 01 00:14:49 <funkbox> otto + tape is quite awesome
May 01 00:14:57 <JakeWharton> funkbox: a "system" of some sort communicating with itself over the bus is probably wrong
May 01 00:15:03 <kakazza> Something to be said? Well, I wouldn't replace each and every call and replacing it with the event bus of course.
May 01 00:15:18 <JakeWharton> there still should be a Devoxx in Antwerp in the fall
May 01 00:15:24 <kakazza> But sometimes it's nice to make a class say "hey, I've done X!".
May 01 00:16:01 <JakeWharton> yes. i agree. we've found situations where we had parts of our application that were using the event bus for communication with each other where they probably should have been more tightly coupled and just calling directly.
May 01 00:16:10 <JakeWharton> but that said, we use the bus all over the place for other things
May 01 00:16:11 <kakazza> True. NOVEMBER 11 - 15, ANTWERP
May 01 00:17:36 <kakazza> It makes sense if you want to absolutely make sure some object implements a callback. I think somewhere in the Training they use a ClassCastException for that.
May 01 00:18:44 <kakazza> When I first found otto I also thought hard about where to use it because I thought it's easy to overdo it.
May 01 00:19:01 <kbs> huh, nice. I use a small perl script to generate the boilerplate for events, on the little pub/sub pattern i'm using
May 01 00:19:37 <kakazza> Something different, I'd like to use http-request, yet still have to track the progress when I POST a file. Is there a way to do it without modifying the source?
May 01 00:19:56 <kakazza> Or much rather: I want to upload a file and display a progress bar for it.
May 01 00:20:12 <funkbox> kakazza: modifying the source of otto ?
May 01 00:20:18 <kakazza> Files range between 100KB and 5-10MB. So that's why I don't just want a Spinner.
May 01 00:20:27 <JakeWharton> he's talking about Kevin Sawicki's UrlConnection helper
May 01 00:20:29 <kakazza> No, modifying the source of http-request.
May 01 00:20:31 <JakeWharton> (i presume)
May 01 00:20:33 <kakazza> Yes.
May 01 00:20:48 <JakeWharton> https://github.com/kevinsawicki/http-request
May 01 00:21:00 <kakazza> s/Spinner/spinning animation thingy/
May 01 00:21:28 <kakazza> I saw that the point where I'd have to modify would be the copy() functions.
May 01 00:21:35 <JakeWharton> showing progress for an upload requires two things: knowing the length of your request body and knowing the current amount of bytes written to the underlying stream
May 01 00:22:19 <mheld> JakeWharton!
May 01 00:22:25 <mheld> JakeWharton: you're the man
May 01 00:22:32 <JakeWharton> i've only every done it by interfacing with HttpClient and using MultipartEntity. I can certainly be done with UrlConnection but not sure about http-request. File an issue that you want a callback for the underlying bytes written and i'm sure he'll oblidge
May 01 00:22:38 <JakeWharton> mheld: I'm a woman!
May 01 00:22:57 <JakeWharton> /nick JackieWharton
May 01 00:23:04 <kakazza> Well, of course I know the length of my body. And this https://github.com/kevinsawicki/http-request/blob/master/lib/src/main/java/com/github/kevinsawicki/http/HttpRequest.java#L2376-L2377 should be the place where I can catch the amount of bytes written.
May 01 00:23:05 <funkbox> JakeWharton: you may need to wear a daft punk helmet at io to protect yourself from being mobbed
May 01 00:23:07 <mheld> JakeWharton: I also feel like a prick for not responding to your email months a
May 01 00:23:14 <mheld> ago*
May 01 00:23:43 <kakazza> JakeWharton: Guess I should do that. He seems to be active again, merging a lot of Pull Requests of the Github Android App recently.
May 01 00:24:10 <JakeWharton> yeah. he was working on something else at GitHub for the last few months
May 01 00:24:15 <shigeru> jakewharton the slides, we wants it! https://plus.google.com/104364549279117274863/posts/9jiXy2qgKYc
May 01 00:24:45 <kakazza> Yeah, you said so. Hope to see what he was working on soon.
May 01 00:25:05 <JakeWharton> well it's not Android or Java related
May 01 00:25:30 <JakeWharton> shigeru: The slides aren't very useful without me stumbling over their content
May 01 00:25:43 <shigeru> jakewharton ah ok
May 01 00:25:46 <JakeWharton> shigeru: I can assure you that things will be happening in the next few weeks that will help you out
May 01 00:25:54 <shigeru> awesome!
May 01 00:26:06 <shigeru> maybe a retrofit 1.0 release? :D
May 01 00:26:58 <JakeWharton> perhaps. only time will tell
May 01 00:27:54 <funkbox> oh this is cool
May 01 00:28:19 <shigeru> as long as its not retrofit being deprecated, ill be ok. I just started adding it to my app
May 01 00:28:34 <funkbox> what does retrofit use for serialization, gson ?
May 01 00:28:43 <shigeru> looks like it
May 01 00:28:56 <codebutler> it can use whatever you want
May 01 00:29:34 <funkbox> i've been using json-smart since it seems to be faster than gson
May 01 00:30:02 <JakeWharton> funkbox: GOSN by default but it's pluggable
May 01 00:30:19 <JakeWharton> i'll probably add a sister module for protos
May 01 00:30:30 <JakeWharton> shigeru: it's not. i love retrofit
May 01 00:30:45 <Anniepoo> i there's anybody here with experience developing for android USB OTG I've got paying work
May 01 00:30:51 <funkbox> any downsides to retrofit ?
May 01 00:32:10 <JakeWharton> funkbox: it currently uses reflection to access annotations so on pre-ICS phones it's slow. the results are aggressively cached so the performance hit only happens once
May 01 00:32:15 <JakeWharton> and it's only a few ms
May 01 00:32:48 <funkbox> that's not too bad
May 01 00:41:06 <kakazza> Why would Reflection only be slow on pre-ICS phones?
May 01 00:45:40 <Zharf> kakazza, maybe there's no need to use reflection on ICS+
May 01 00:47:25 <kakazza> Could be, but the sentence is not clear. "uses reflection on pre-ICS phones" would be clearer.
May 01 00:47:32 <kakazza> We'll see in a second, hopefully!
May 01 00:57:28 <rburton-> re
May 01 00:57:37 <rburton-> Who's in Seattle Washington tomorrow?
May 01 00:58:42 <JakeWharton> https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions#-
May 01 00:59:09 <JakeWharton> kakazza: because the implementation of the reflection APIs is slow on pre-ICS
May 01 00:59:31 <rburton-> JakeWharton Beers during IO?
May 01 01:00:15 <rburton-> gasp I know Games are popular on Android but having a lot of game sessions sucks
May 01 01:01:58 <JakeWharton> i can try to get beers, yes
May 01 01:02:05 <canadiancow> JakeWharton, https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/326148829
May 01 01:02:16 <JakeWharton> yeah i saw
May 01 01:02:20 <rburton-> JakeWharton awesome than NYC style? Shots before beer ;)
May 01 01:02:40 <mantas322> Hi guys,  I want to loop bunch of images from my assets folder over some type of view.  Like a gif
May 01 01:03:07 <rburton-> I need to implement a custom downloader for universalimageloader that decrypts the payload
May 01 01:03:16 <mantas322> I dont know what to google for or what control to use
May 01 01:03:28 <xastey`> why is working with opengl so complex :'(
May 01 01:04:13 <jug6ernaut_> canadiancow u holding a session? nice!
May 01 01:04:26 <JakeWharton> mantas322: AnimationDrawable?
May 01 01:04:50 <mantas322> thanks
May 01 01:05:03 <mantas322> i havent done android in Years!
May 01 01:05:07 <canadiancow> yeah jug6ernaut_
May 01 01:05:18 <mantas322> now im going to make the best app ever
May 01 01:05:35 <rburton-> I'm going to ask questions like "Why the fuck don't you guys have generics in the Android API?" for https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/326425499
May 01 01:05:59 <rburton-> canadiancow you're scott or Vikram?
May 01 01:05:59 * jug6ernaut_ wishes he were able to get a ticket
May 01 01:06:04 <canadiancow> i'm scott
May 01 01:06:07 <jug6ernaut_> lol
May 01 01:06:10 <rburton-> ah cool
May 01 01:06:23 <rburton-> I'll be attending
May 01 01:06:27 <rburton-> your talk that is
May 01 01:06:30 <canadiancow> +1
May 01 01:06:40 <rburton-> I'm sure it'll be +allot of people
May 01 01:06:45 <jug6ernaut_> ill be watching
May 01 01:06:48 <jug6ernaut_> on the internet
May 01 01:06:49 <jug6ernaut_> xD
May 01 01:07:06 <rburton-> i attend every year. I'm one of the <100 people who never missed a year
May 01 01:07:20 <jug6ernaut_> i tried, i failed
May 01 01:07:28 <rburton-> did you attend the first year?
May 01 01:07:37 * jug6ernaut_ has failed to get tickets twice
May 01 01:07:42 <jug6ernaut_> only tried twice
May 01 01:09:20 <jug6ernaut_> o well, the videos work well enough
May 01 01:11:11 <derekv> any reason why i shouldn't (or can't) use guava?
May 01 01:11:47 <derekv> and a related question is, does anyone have a feel for how much larger it makes an app (is it signifigant?)
May 01 01:13:13 <rburton-> derekv otto
May 01 01:13:26 <rburton-> Square is doing some very good shit with Otto and they focus on performance etc.
May 01 01:13:45 <rburton-> you can use Guava if you like but Otto is fast and they're doing more work on improvine the performance
May 01 01:15:18 <derekv> rburton i thought otto was an event bus and guava was a collection of functional tools
May 01 01:15:32 <derekv> maybe i'm confused let me sort this out
May 01 01:15:36 <JakeWharton> guava is a dumping ground from Google that has hundreds of things
May 01 01:15:51 <JakeWharton> it's like a second standard library
May 01 01:15:58 <JakeWharton> (for the desktop)
May 01 01:16:35 <rburton-> fuck sorry I'm thinking of EventBus
May 01 01:16:36 <rburton-> ;/
May 01 01:17:43 <rburton-> My mind went from otto forked form Guava to EventBus being another Android based bus like otto
May 01 01:21:37 <rburton-> Okay laptop battery is dying. time to hunt down food, head home and pack for my mini tour across america
May 01 01:24:14 <hesperaux> Can anyone see why onPostExecute() is never called in my AsyncTask? http://pastebin.com/2UxbepLB
May 01 01:24:32 <hesperaux> I've been trying at it for over an hour and cannot figure out why
May 01 01:26:35 <jug6ernaut_> are u sure its reaching the return statement in on doInBackground
May 01 01:27:15 <jug6ernaut_> what is it doing/!doing
May 01 01:28:27 <hesperaux> no, actually it's not getting to the return statement. I forgot that I didn't check that
May 01 01:28:30 <hesperaux> now to find out why
May 01 02:05:46 <Sambarboz> Hello, somebody knows if the Google+ app post stream view uses a ListView
May 01 02:05:47 <Sambarboz> ?
May 01 02:07:38 <xastey> download.. decompile.. inspect
May 01 02:08:21 <Mavrik> heh, I/O page died
May 01 02:10:17 <Sambarboz> xastey: Really?
May 01 02:10:28 <xastey> yeah really
May 01 02:10:33 <bankai_> lol that's what i do too ;)
May 01 02:10:39 <xastey> see
May 01 02:10:46 <xastey> how else are we going to answer that question
May 01 02:12:06 <Mavrik> hooking it up to hiearchy viewer on a rooted phone works too :)
May 01 02:13:06 <Sambarboz> Ah, nice.
May 01 02:13:22 <Sambarboz> Mavrik: Thanks! I'll do that :)
May 01 02:19:32 <drudge> Sambarboz: gridview?
May 01 02:20:36 <Sambarboz> Yeah.
May 01 02:20:58 <Sambarboz> drudge: Just noticed ti.
May 01 02:21:00 <Sambarboz> it*
May 01 02:21:43 <shigeru> I wonder why google doesn't open source those apps
May 01 02:21:45 <mantas322> I followed this example http://developer.android.com/reference/android/graphics/drawable/AnimationDrawable.html    and my images wont rotate
May 01 02:21:51 <mantas322> it just sits there static
May 01 02:23:39 <mantas322> or maybe their rotating so fast my eyes cant register the changes
May 01 02:25:23 <mantas322> nope.
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