**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 18 02:59:59 2013 Jun 18 03:07:27 Hi all Jun 18 03:08:29 If you set a button that will change the fragment on each click, clicking it too fast may cause the activity reference in that fragment to be null Jun 18 03:08:43 any suggestion over how to handle this Jun 18 03:15:50 depends what "change the fragment" means Jun 18 03:16:01 but why dont you check IF it's null ? Jun 18 03:16:38 change fragment means i close fragment a and open another fragment, let's say fragment b Jun 18 03:17:46 well I doubt if you dont do anything to the activity, that a reference to it would be null Jun 18 03:18:41 maybe the fragment doesn't finish the lifecycle start before calling destroy or something ? Jun 18 03:19:49 yeah Jun 18 03:19:51 most probably Jun 18 03:21:34 What is a good way to find and hire good android developers these days? Or do most people just want to build their own apps these days maybe? Jun 18 03:22:02 most people ? think that would be a bit strong Jun 18 03:22:06 so for this situation which the lifecycle doesn't finish and onDestory is called Jun 18 03:22:20 usually how you handle? Jun 18 03:22:24 do you* Jun 18 03:22:27 it* Jun 18 03:23:10 same with any click you would not want happening too fast (repeating) Jun 18 03:23:25 so put a check Jun 18 03:23:27 on the click Jun 18 03:23:35 to prevent from changing fragment to fastā€¦ ? Jun 18 03:23:45 well up to you where and how Jun 18 03:23:57 but yeah, check for a condition of something Jun 18 03:23:58 usually how most people do, how would you do Jun 18 03:23:59 :) Jun 18 03:24:14 i can think of something a long that lines but i wanna know what the pro think here Jun 18 03:24:21 ensure I'm on the right track Jun 18 03:24:31 then you asking the wrong person Jun 18 03:24:35 I aint a pro Jun 18 03:24:50 well at least experienced Jun 18 03:25:31 well I use an eventBus Jun 18 03:25:46 but if I were in your sit, I would just put in a check Jun 18 03:26:21 i see. I use even bus too thought Jun 18 03:26:27 but not for simple clicks Jun 18 03:26:49 does even bus prevents multiple clicks or you create a check for it as well Jun 18 03:27:22 depends how you design the implementation Jun 18 03:27:31 and use of it Jun 18 03:30:50 i see Jun 18 03:30:54 :D thanks Jun 18 03:41:50 anyone with a note 2 have a second to test an app? Jun 18 03:47:00 can you setup an emu to test Jun 18 03:47:09 or does it need crappy touchywizzy Jun 18 03:47:10 :) Jun 18 03:54:46 lint isn't included with AS is it? only eclipse Jun 18 03:55:33 checkout Analyze Jun 18 03:57:11 ahh sweet Jun 18 04:18:20 hey everyone, does anyone know how to clear the default after you "Register A New File Type Association" in Android Studio? I tried to open an executable by accident in a text editor, and now Android Studio is associating all that file type with the editor, which I don't like.. it also switches the exec icon on the left of the file to a document… anyone knows how to clear this and set it back to default? thanks Jun 18 04:19:50 Tried to "clear" it under preferences, File Encoding, with no success Jun 18 04:28:01 ok… sorry guys… found my solution… I'll promise to search better next time b4 I spam this channel… for those who care, it's under preferences -> IDE Settings -> File Types… Jun 18 04:29:37 well dont forget in AS preferences there is a search box Jun 18 04:29:48 just put in "file type" and your there Jun 18 04:36:38 any ideas why textures are not loading on Note 2's? Jun 18 04:36:52 --wit OpenGL ES 2.0 Jun 18 04:38:12 try checking the size Jun 18 04:38:18 ensure the size is power of 2 Jun 18 04:38:27 ? Jun 18 04:39:34 That's fine, it's literally working on just about everything except the Note 2 Jun 18 04:40:28 any error? Jun 18 04:40:59 Not from what I could tell, I'm using the remote test lab from samsung after a beta tester let me know of the issue Jun 18 04:41:27 At least nothing in logcat, I'd love to run an opengl tracer but I don't have the actual device Jun 18 04:42:22 when you say texture Jun 18 04:42:29 not loading, is it just the texture? Jun 18 04:42:36 the the whole OpenGL drawing? Jun 18 04:43:19 I have some .PNG's in the drawable-nodpi folder that I'm loading into OpenGL textures Jun 18 04:43:44 using BitmapFactory.decodeResource() Jun 18 04:44:13 Not a single one is showing up Jun 18 04:45:05 owh i see Jun 18 04:45:15 well odds are, dimensions, pixel format causing prob I would think Jun 18 04:45:29 i think Jun 18 04:45:33 that should have read dimension or pixel format Jun 18 04:45:58 and by pixel formant I indeed mean PNG pallet/Color formant Jun 18 04:46:08 and by formant, i mean format Jun 18 04:46:10 ffs Jun 18 04:46:11 :) Jun 18 04:46:15 is it possible Jun 18 04:46:52 when the texture is applied in note 2, the texture dimension become NPOT Jun 18 04:46:58 so it prevents from displaying. Jun 18 04:47:53 I have never seen a functional 3d rendering system do anything but the opposite Jun 18 04:48:48 as in give it a 2x3 and it will use internally a 2x4 Jun 18 04:49:04 i think for android case Jun 18 04:49:09 you need to calculate manually Jun 18 04:49:44 well I would have thought you just make sure they are correct to begin with, so there is no calc Jun 18 04:50:10 granted my experience on this is only as an artist, and only on x360/ps3 Jun 18 04:52:43 you probably need to apply this Jun 18 04:52:48 when calculating the dimension Jun 18 04:52:49 http://pastebin.com/LkPtTYxZ Jun 18 04:54:37 so when you get the bitmap, get the width and height, plug it in the method create new bitmap based on the new height and width Jun 18 04:55:08 Maziz, what does that function do? Jun 18 04:55:42 if you height or width is not power of 2, it will get the next highest po2 Jun 18 04:56:05 Maziz: thats seem ā€¦well dont mean to be condescending, but in any RT 3D graphics, if I had a programmer having to do that, I would shoot him, and kill the artists reponsable for the source graphics too Jun 18 04:56:09 I was under the assumption opengl es 2.0 and greater does not require POT textures? Jun 18 04:56:51 parco: binary and Math need POT Jun 18 04:56:54 Some of the textures are power of 2 and they are still not loading Jun 18 04:57:14 Nbd, i'll convert Jun 18 04:57:28 well probably different issue if thats the case Jun 18 04:57:36 It has to be... Jun 18 04:58:43 i gotten the code from https://github.com/harism/android_page_curl Jun 18 04:58:47 3d curl page Jun 18 04:59:20 if you see the CurlPage.java, where contains the method to attach texture to the drawing Jun 18 04:59:34 you will see it will calculate the dimensions and ensure it's POT Jun 18 04:59:55 this code works on all devices Jun 18 05:00:03 Do you think the NPOT textures could be having an effect on the POT textures? Jun 18 05:01:37 I do, depending on how android handles texture page/indexing etc Jun 18 05:20:16 JakeWharton: ping! Jun 18 05:20:21 ack Jun 18 05:20:35 what do you know about actionbar tab placement and the galaxy mega? Jun 18 05:20:59 with ABS, the tabs are placed inside the actionbar (not below), and they scroll Jun 18 05:21:33 what versions of Android is the Galaxy Mega running? Jun 18 05:21:38 4.2.2 Jun 18 05:21:56 that's the native action bar then Jun 18 05:22:01 oh of course Jun 18 05:22:01 ABS isn't doing anything but proxying Jun 18 05:22:02 sorry Jun 18 05:22:36 it's a crazy device Jun 18 05:22:47 but I said that when I bought the Note too :p Jun 18 05:23:45 it certainly sounds crazy Jun 18 05:33:37 Hmm I just converted all texture to POT, still the same issue on the Note 2 Jun 18 05:34:12 Should I place textures in res/raw, or is drawable-nodpi a safe place across devices? Jun 18 05:37:15 galaxy mega http://andreaworld.altervista.org/imageslittlebritain/LittleBritain_1a_6_07.jpg Jun 18 05:59:47 So my onresume method isn't being called Jun 18 05:59:49 any idea why Jun 18 06:06:30 not sure thats such a good question Jun 18 06:06:47 how would anyone know why "your" onResume isn't called Jun 18 06:06:56 dont even know what onResume your on about Jun 18 06:29:22 hello guys Jun 18 06:29:57 what is the maximum google will pay you per click on making money using adds? Jun 18 06:30:02 *ads Jun 18 06:36:41 Eltjo: Jun 18 06:36:53 hey shadej Jun 18 06:37:10 why is the room silent Jun 18 06:37:24 i dont know Jun 18 06:37:25 are you android developer? Jun 18 06:37:26 cause it's irc Jun 18 06:37:32 yes i am Jun 18 06:37:35 there is no sound by default Jun 18 06:37:44 lol StingRay_ Jun 18 06:37:50 StingRay_: no by default hah.. Jun 18 06:37:54 i asked a question Jun 18 06:37:59 you did Jun 18 06:38:10 but there is no real answer Jun 18 06:38:29 unless some1 wanted to explain all the metrics that cause the variances Jun 18 06:38:32 did you try to find the answer on your question on stackoverflow shadej Jun 18 06:38:37 and I presume no1 could be arsed Jun 18 06:39:03 Eltjo: no Jun 18 06:39:20 :) Jun 18 06:39:32 StingRay_: telling the question does not have a solution is also an answer btw Jun 18 06:39:50 well no, not really Jun 18 06:39:59 cause that answer you could get from a simple google search Jun 18 06:40:11 and I would have thought you would have tried that b4 here ;) Jun 18 06:40:17 hehe or stackoverflow ;) Jun 18 06:40:33 na, SO not relevant Jun 18 06:40:42 ad click turnover/revanue etc Jun 18 06:40:44 StingRay_: yeah i tried it but there are a lot blogs that talk out of the trugh Jun 18 06:40:49 *truth Jun 18 06:45:13 Eltjo: why not i can ask on stackoverflow Jun 18 06:46:00 ad click revanue is not really a SO topic I dont think Jun 18 06:46:02 you can ask Jun 18 06:46:04 :) Jun 18 07:00:14 JakeWhartong Jun 18 07:00:27 *oops JakeWharton Jun 18 07:00:37 wasn' tme Jun 18 07:01:57 Whardong? Jun 18 07:02:20 I kill me... Jun 18 07:03:55 Is there a way to see if I'm actually using OkHttp as my client? I'm using the Github Java API (https://github.com/eclipse/egit-github/tree/master/org.eclipse.egit.github.core) and did this http://pastebin.com/pUeYTZrs Jun 18 07:04:29 Saw that you worked on the project so figured you might have an idea Jun 18 07:06:38 I mean, that'll pretty much do it so long as you're setting the client Jun 18 07:07:02 other ways would be to set breakpoints and make sure the class that backs HttpUrlConnection is in com.squareup.okhttp.internal.* Jun 18 07:07:20 or look at the response headers to see if there's X-Android-* headers Jun 18 07:14:07 thanks, that confirmed it Jun 18 07:18:29 hey guys… anyone knows where to get a comprehensive list of strings to check against, in order to detect the tethering state? Guides to do so generally involve reflection. I was wondering if there's a comprehensive list somewhere… thanks Jun 18 07:22:56 how can I wait until my LocationClient connects and then return something? Of course I don't want to block my main thread... Jun 18 07:29:36 So anybody experienced Pattern.compile returning null in some API versions? Jun 18 07:29:52 fk really ? Jun 18 07:29:57 what api vers ? Jun 18 07:30:41 An alpha tester reported a crash on his S3. It's 4.1.2. Managed to recreate it on ARM emulator with 4.1.2. Really weird. Jun 18 07:31:18 At least that's what the debugger says... Jun 18 07:31:52 wait... Jun 18 07:33:25 Hi, anyone knows how to fix tab completion in adb when running on windows Jun 18 07:34:02 Never mind. My report was inaccurate. The string passed to the following matcher was the culprit. Yeah, of course it's never MY code that is wrong. Great assumption. Jun 18 07:34:36 how long you been doing this ? :) Jun 18 07:34:58 Only some 25 years. ;-) Jun 18 07:35:03 (not Android of course) Jun 18 07:35:20 sure the lesson are the same for almost all platforms though Jun 18 07:35:29 tis the tools fault, has to be :) Jun 18 07:35:51 Yeah, human instinct, blame somebody else first! Jun 18 07:44:27 kjeldahl, it's always the compiler. Jun 18 07:44:28 >P Jun 18 07:50:13 Trust me, there was a time where that was actually true at times. ;-) Jun 18 07:51:30 I guess that's where I picked up the habit of blaming it! :-) Jun 18 07:52:45 If I wrap a FileStream in a BufferedStream, is it sufficient to just close the BufferedStream? Or do I have to close both? Jun 18 07:53:09 freiform, closing the toplevel stream is enough Jun 18 07:53:28 Great, thank you. Jun 18 08:20:44 after a service is killed, what determines how long it takes until it's restarted? Jun 18 08:26:22 balls2thewall: does it matter? don't think you can control any of it anyways. Jun 18 08:26:37 sure. you can return sticky. It will get started asap. Jun 18 08:27:02 not quite as asap as id like :/ Jun 18 08:27:03 misterli: asap though can mean anything from within a couple of seconds to any time in the future ;) Jun 18 08:27:19 im leaving a persistent notification and i get rid of it after the action in the service completes Jun 18 08:27:52 i cant just leave it there for more than a minute waitng for the service to restart >_> Jun 18 08:27:56 use Wakelocks and START_STICKY. They (should) keep the service running aslong as you (relaly) need it Jun 18 08:28:57 balls2thewall. If you bind the Service then it should run aslong as the connection is established anyway. Jun 18 08:29:03 misterli: not really on any device with lots of apps installed since too many have services, start because of broadcasts and what not ;) Jun 18 08:29:54 well, it's not a good idea to let a service run all the time anyway. Bind it if needed, unbind if not required. Thats it Jun 18 08:30:03 or where the user is running memory intensive apps like chrome, flipboard or games Jun 18 08:31:17 misterli: except that doesn't work if you want the service to continue to run even when your actviity is not in the foreground.. Jun 18 08:32:02 well. My (current) app uses return_sticky and it keeps running all the time. If the ressources are needed for something else it stops for at least ~ 1-5seconds. (www.TheftSpy.com) Jun 18 08:32:14 balls2thewall: anyways, doesn't your ongoing notification for your foreground service go away automatically if the service gets killed? Jun 18 08:32:50 Anyway, if the service must run ALL THE TIME in IDLE then it's a Designproblem anyway Jun 18 08:32:59 misterli: +1 Jun 18 08:33:09 ;-) Jun 18 08:33:10 swiping it away from the recently used app list doesnt kill it. the service stops but the notification disappears only if i force stop it Jun 18 08:33:22 misterli: I would consider changing the main market graphic Jun 18 08:33:45 balls2thewall: so why don't you remove the notification when the service stops then? Jun 18 08:33:47 main market graphic? Jun 18 08:33:55 https://lh3.ggpht.com/i8seW_zE1j4ldgiOktr-20iMXmKGa34w7EOsHIkn2KNE2HtmADdq2cDQ32olUtco1A=w705 Jun 18 08:34:12 whops. Thank you ;) Jun 18 08:34:24 it be black on overlay too Jun 18 08:34:28 when you swipe the app away no events are called Jun 18 08:34:28 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.seiboldsoft.theftspy Jun 18 08:34:32 and looks dirty Jun 18 08:34:45 i dont know when to remove the notification ;_; Jun 18 08:35:16 when there is no reason to have it there ? Jun 18 08:35:18 :) Jun 18 08:35:22 I see. Thank you Jun 18 08:37:29 I just had problems with the old "package". Google blocked the app because there was no Disclaimer. I had to set up a new "package". this is crazy. Jun 18 08:56:44 balls2thewall: if your service is not done with whatever it is doing then it isn't really wrong that the notification stays while the service is restarted so what is your issue? Jun 18 08:57:09 balls2thewall: and if the service has completed its task then you should've stopped it and removed the notification already so no problem in that case. Jun 18 09:09:29 Could any one help me out with the Google Play Store, opt-ing in for testing, and downloading the app? i can opt-in for testing, i see: 'you're a tester'.. but then i can't download it from the playstore: it says: you can't download your own apps.. Jun 18 09:13:24 huh ? Jun 18 09:13:30 thats not right Jun 18 09:13:31 :) Jun 18 09:16:15 must admit I have not needed to join the beta group Jun 18 09:16:24 cause ā€¦ermā€¦ I'm the dev Jun 18 09:16:26 :) Jun 18 09:17:05 Please see the screenshots in private msg Jun 18 09:17:14 msg me again Jun 18 09:17:16 I closed it Jun 18 09:17:48 but yeah, I would not have thought that to be true, but quite irrelevant really though ? Jun 18 09:18:54 well, if i put the signed apk from eclipse via dropbox on my phone... Jun 18 09:19:03 the lvl license says: don't allow Jun 18 09:19:13 cause it knows it didn't come through the play store? Jun 18 09:19:24 or my license is not correctly set up? :s Jun 18 09:19:31 so what does brightness pro do then ? Jun 18 09:19:40 you'll see eventually Jun 18 09:19:48 first i got the set this up right Jun 18 09:21:34 well must be pretty cool for 0.99 euros Jun 18 09:21:36 :) Jun 18 09:22:22 it is :P Jun 18 09:22:29 but some ppl won't need it Jun 18 09:22:53 but is it true that the LVL says: don't allow when your apk isn't coming via the play store? Jun 18 09:32:08 how much effort is it to update/recompile the webview/webkit utilized in Android? I'm guessing a lot Jun 18 09:34:06 hello, how can one detect whether tethering is enabled on the device? Jun 18 09:35:27 http://grepcode.com/search?query=TetherSettings&n= Jun 18 09:35:39 maybe of use Jun 18 09:37:24 line 505 maybe Jun 18 09:37:54 although seems a bit odd :) Jun 18 09:46:22 StringRay_ do you know why i get a 'dont allow' message from my LVL when i put the signed APK from eclipse onto my phone via dropbox? Jun 18 09:46:36 is it because i didn't download the app from the play store? Jun 18 09:46:57 dunno Jun 18 09:50:23 ok ty Jun 18 09:50:52 rved: no, that shouldn't matter Jun 18 09:51:07 check that you have the correct response set in your developer console Jun 18 09:51:15 ok ty, then there is something wrong in my code i guess Jun 18 09:51:18 and you have your developer account added on your phone Jun 18 09:51:25 yes i have Jun 18 09:51:30 and the test account too Jun 18 09:53:14 rops: even when i set the license response to: LICENSED in the dev concolse, I'm getting the "don't allow" Jun 18 09:53:17 ill check the code Jun 18 10:20:14 thanks StingRay… still looking at it.. Jun 18 10:21:08 huh? Jun 18 10:22:49 no sure what setUsbTethering is supposed to return... Jun 18 10:23:02 i have a question; to implement a function for my buttons, i use the onClick XML attribute. so create a method for them in the activity. but i need to put a methodName(View v) in my method definition. i wanna know what is the "v" ? i wrote my method for instance and it works just fine but my IDE says "v" never used! Jun 18 10:24:35 * omid8bimo what a long question! Jun 18 10:25:19 omid8bimo: v is the View that was clicked Jun 18 10:25:46 StingRay_: but i dont why it says this parameter never used Jun 18 10:25:54 eg, lets say you have a button that is R.id.cancel and one that is R.id.ok, you can have a switch/case inside the click method Jun 18 10:26:09 so you can say v.getId() == R.id.ok Jun 18 10:26:25 and do something in the same method based on what view was actually triggered Jun 18 10:26:42 oh! so its not needed to address/use the parameter, but only just when need it Jun 18 10:26:53 well it needs to be there Jun 18 10:27:02 cause the onClick will awlays pass the view Jun 18 10:27:11 if you use it or not is up to you Jun 18 10:27:29 can i use the the same "View v" for several button's methods in one activity? Jun 18 10:27:39 thats the point Jun 18 10:27:47 you have one onCLick for many buttons Jun 18 10:28:05 and you do what you want based of the id of the view Jun 18 10:30:59 got it. Jun 18 10:51:54 My license (LVL) is returning "Error contacting licensing server" all the time Jun 18 10:52:18 i already googled, but can't find a solution.. already tried deleting the play store data + play store service data Jun 18 10:52:22 but no luck Jun 18 10:54:00 Does any have any experience with this? Jun 18 11:04:46 any one please? Jun 18 11:21:39 how close are you to release ? Jun 18 11:23:49 this is the final step Jun 18 11:23:58 the free version is already online Jun 18 11:24:07 oh, link? Jun 18 11:24:13 but the paid version, i can't setup the lvl Jun 18 11:24:44 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rved.brightness Jun 18 11:24:52 if you encounter a bug, please let me know Jun 18 11:26:38 but i seriously need some help with this lvl part, i've set up everything correctly.. but i still get a error Jun 18 11:26:39 W/LicenseValidator(13863): Error contacting licensing server. Jun 18 11:26:41 erro code 291 Jun 18 11:26:51 D/291(13863): reason Jun 18 11:27:11 the paid app is in beta testing - published Jun 18 11:29:20 ah g/f uses something similar on her phone Jun 18 11:29:23 rved: You've made sure you've added all the keys to the api server etc (not only debug key)? Consider it a control question; looks like you've been through this at least once before.. Jun 18 11:29:42 goes all the way down to -100% brightness, but tis free too :) Jun 18 11:29:57 well, the free version goes from 0 to 100% Jun 18 11:30:03 ;) Jun 18 11:30:23 yeah, the one she uses has your pro feature for free is what I mean Jun 18 11:31:05 kjeldahl: debug key? i added the BASE64_PUBLIC_KEY and a random SALT Jun 18 11:31:09 i never seen a debug key Jun 18 11:31:29 the BASE64_PUBLIC_KEY comes from the dev console (specific for this APK file) Jun 18 11:31:39 (* or at least: for this APP) Jun 18 11:33:03 rved: I'm knees deep into the FB SDK thingy where the signing keys need to be authorized. The Google stuff probably uses other methods. My apologies, just an idea. Jun 18 11:33:22 ahh ok Jun 18 11:33:49 i've read it takes 'time' but the beta version is only for testing since yesterday Jun 18 11:34:05 so i can't understand why it can't connect to the server Jun 18 12:25:59 wow ubuntu touch doubled the amount of "tollerated on one of my devices" since last attempt a few months back, it's now up to 80 seconds Jun 18 12:41:30 when i use moveTaskToBack(false); my app goes to the background, i see my previous screen again, in this case the menu Jun 18 12:41:37 but when i try to click on an icon Jun 18 12:41:39 it won't open Jun 18 12:41:50 any ideas?\ Jun 18 12:41:59 if i use finish() in my app, it does work Jun 18 12:42:07 but actually need movetoback Jun 18 12:50:27 how do i put fragments into every row of a ListView? Jun 18 13:00:53 return them in getView Jun 18 13:01:12 whats this for clever ? Jun 18 13:01:27 cause it maybe not really a clever thing to do Jun 18 13:02:51 StingRay_: i tried putting the fragment right into the layout xml, that getView was inflating Jun 18 13:02:59 StingRay_: 06-18 12:44:28.256 956 969 D / com.nullwire.trace.ExceptionsHandler: Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Binary XML file line #14 Duplicate id 0x7f0a0029, tag null, or parent id 0x0 with another fragment for com.angeldsis.lou.fragments.ResourceBar2 Jun 18 13:03:04 then it threw this exception Jun 18 13:03:14 ya Jun 18 13:03:18 it will Jun 18 13:03:34 fragments defined and created from xml areā€¦.. limited Jun 18 13:03:53 and the fragment manager only allows you to replace by id Jun 18 13:04:05 and every row has the same id, which isnt yet attached to the view tree Jun 18 13:04:14 so i dont see how i can use it outside xml either Jun 18 13:04:25 same way a viewPager does Jun 18 13:04:27 an adapter Jun 18 13:04:45 or just dynamically create them in getItem Jun 18 13:04:49 i already have a custom adapter extending BaseAdapter Jun 18 13:04:56 and i can create the fragment inside getItem Jun 18 13:05:01 but how do i bind that fragment to the ui? Jun 18 13:05:11 any way you want to Jun 18 13:05:30 the only method i know is FragmentTransaction.replace, which needs the id of a view to insert it into Jun 18 13:05:41 and every row in the listview shares the same id on that view Jun 18 13:05:49 no Jun 18 13:05:52 see if you answer yes to these questions Jun 18 13:06:03 do you know how to create a fragment in code ? Jun 18 13:06:22 do you know how to add it to a part of the ui in code ? Jun 18 13:06:30 do you know how to reference it later on ? Jun 18 13:06:37 do you know how to give it data ? Jun 18 13:06:43 #1 getSupportFragmentManager().beginTransaction().replace(R.id.main_frame, new Loading()).commit(); Jun 18 13:06:56 and #2 Jun 18 13:06:56 if the answer is no to 1 or more of them, you should learn that and then you would have your answer Jun 18 13:07:47 what other methods are there to add the fragment to the ui? Jun 18 13:08:24 add Jun 18 13:08:26 :) Jun 18 13:08:53 and if every item in the list shares the same id, wont they all gather in the 1st row? Jun 18 13:09:07 if you want them to Jun 18 13:09:10 lol Jun 18 13:09:12 i dont want them to Jun 18 13:09:16 then dont do that Jun 18 13:09:28 what does a fragment return ? Jun 18 13:09:40 when you create it ? Jun 18 13:09:54 its displaying a somewhat complex collection of views Jun 18 13:10:00 no Jun 18 13:10:02 1 view Jun 18 13:10:11 yeah, all held in a linear layout Jun 18 13:10:18 no Jun 18 13:10:21 any layout Jun 18 13:10:27 but neways, 1 view Jun 18 13:10:30 what does getView in an adapter do ? Jun 18 13:11:03 return the view for that row, which in my case, is inflated from xml Jun 18 13:11:10 no Jun 18 13:11:17 it returns a view that you control Jun 18 13:11:21 yeah Jun 18 13:11:27 nothing to do with inflation or rows Jun 18 13:11:34 you do that however you want Jun 18 13:11:40 but i am choosing to use inflation for that task Jun 18 13:11:59 thats your choice Jun 18 13:12:08 dont use fragments then Jun 18 13:12:23 the UI element i want to display in the list is fragment based Jun 18 13:12:40 and i dont want to maintain 2 functionaly identical classes (extending fragment and view) Jun 18 13:13:16 well I've never used fragments in xml, I find the idea a bit pointless tbh Jun 18 13:13:26 well, maybe not totally pointless Jun 18 13:13:35 but restrictive and not really functional Jun 18 13:14:42 StingRay_: if i wanted to attach a fragment to the View in getView, how would i do so? Jun 18 13:15:00 you dont, you just return the view Jun 18 13:15:07 listView manages the attach Jun 18 13:15:30 i am returning a view, but i want a fragment to be a child of that view that i return Jun 18 13:15:49 each view in the list is a linearlayout, containing a textview and the fragment Jun 18 13:16:04 the problem is getting that fragment into the linearlayout Jun 18 13:16:14 oh, the fragment is not the view you want to return ? Jun 18 13:16:44 as in you would want a fragment + some other views in that item ? Jun 18 13:16:48 yes Jun 18 13:17:26 whats in this fragment ? Jun 18 13:17:57 a linear layout with another 8 textviews, 4 imageviews, and some code so it can manage itself and update things based on state Jun 18 13:18:23 and whats going to be next to this fragment in an item ? Jun 18 13:18:51 a textview telling the user the name of this item Jun 18 13:19:04 why would you not have that in the fragment ? Jun 18 13:19:18