**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 29 02:59:59 2013 Jun 29 03:05:54 anyone? Jun 29 03:15:20 anyone tried the ouya yet ? Jun 29 03:15:43 I've got one... Jun 29 03:15:58 Google is building an Android Game Console ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323689204578571992848684764.html Jun 29 03:16:31 Leeds: how do you like it ? and is it the kickstarter or the later released ? Jun 29 03:16:59 I heard the kickstarter had a lot of problems Jun 29 03:17:46 I got it through kickstarter, but AFAIK it's exactly the same as a retail unit Jun 29 03:18:43 basically, they screwed up their shipping - or they used a crappy shipper, who they blame for screwed-up shipping - and for some as-yet-unexplained reason they went into radio silence over it, plus their customer support couldn't keep up Jun 29 03:19:38 the device itself is... a touch slow, a touch out-of-date, and a touch lacking in great games - but they did deliver what they promised, in the end Jun 29 03:20:01 I saw some youtube vids saying the later released versions fixed some hardware and software issues Jun 29 03:20:31 like the touchpad doesn't work at all, and the buttons get stuck Jun 29 03:20:35 they've been pushing software upgrades, but everyone gets them - got a big one as soon as I powered it up, and another one when they did the retail release last week Jun 29 03:21:12 they did tweak the design of the controller very slightly to deal with sticky buttons... the touchpad works about as well as I'd expect, for a tiny touchpad in a game controller which is controlling a pointer on a TV screen Jun 29 03:21:45 cool I'll get one sometime soon Jun 29 03:21:54 its dirt cheap Jun 29 03:22:19 I think it's decent value for $100, but it's not a PS4 competitor Jun 29 03:22:26 and maybe that will inspire me to make some games Jun 29 03:22:37 runs emulators well, you can sideload plenty of stuff, video streaming Jun 29 03:23:15 they said it comes with builder tools to build games, did you check any out ? Jun 29 03:23:45 I haven't, but as far as I know it's pretty much just support for their in-app billing stuff at the moment Jun 29 03:23:50 yeah it would be worth it just for the EMU's alone Jun 29 03:24:06 otherwise it's just like building for any other Android device - obviously without google APIs, play services, etc. Jun 29 03:25:04 they got a lot of unfair stick for things like customs fees - although they can be brutal in some places... reports of people being charged $150 *extra* to get them delivered in Brazil, which has massive import duties on electronics to try to support local manufacturers Jun 29 03:25:08 just finding the ROMS for the emu's might be a problem Jun 29 03:25:36 that would be off-topic for this channel, but no, they're very easy to find :) Jun 29 03:56:16 join #android Jun 29 03:56:18 oops. Jun 29 03:58:47 busted. Jun 29 04:23:04 if i have one activity, then launch a new activity, how do i return to the previous activity without recreating it? Jun 29 04:23:12 seems mine is getting recreated every time i return ot it... Jun 29 04:23:25 i thought it would return to savedinstancestate Jun 29 05:08:57 do I need 32 bit support in 64 bit to get linux android to work? I downloaded the 64 bit but it still has 32 bit elf's Jun 29 05:20:58 What is Linux Android? Jun 29 05:21:20 android sdk on linux Jun 29 05:21:44 of course all android runs on linux on devices Jun 29 05:22:10 I just downloaded the 64bit SDK and running it under Java 8 worked great Jun 29 05:23:53 Ok, this might be cyanogen only, but... where the hell is the package I need to build to get out/host/linux-x86/bin/minigzip ? please :) Jun 29 05:24:02 I can't find the right build/ or system/ place to make Jun 29 05:24:07 hmm I don't have 32 bit support in my kernel.. Jun 29 05:28:32 Anyone heard of Tap Context? (http://www.tapcontext.com/) Jun 29 05:28:58 Just got a mail from them. Jun 29 05:29:37 Good timing too. We're in the end stages of our game and will have to choose an ad system soon. Jun 29 05:30:07 Ok, at least tell me. Why the fuck bionic/ ? why the name? Jun 29 05:30:50 bionic is the ABI that Android uses Jun 29 05:34:07 ok Jun 29 05:36:41 Is the frameworks/base/core/res/res mechanism a cyanogen thing or a AOS general one? Jun 29 05:39:05 bionicles! the lego warriors Jun 29 05:45:10 anyone any idea on this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17371679/main-ui-hangs-due-to-fetching-gps-geo-location Jun 29 06:16:25 I understand that the namespace is used to distinguish between apps. So do you take advantage of this when making a trial and paid version of the same app? E.g. com.example.myapp.trial and com.example.myapp.pro ? Jun 29 06:17:43 Or should the paid version overwrite the trial? But can they both exist in the app store? And what if I push an updated trial but not the pro -- will the trial then overwrite the users' pro during update? Jun 29 06:43:21 * Looney just had a eureka moment for app idea, rushing to play store to check Jun 29 06:50:48 anyone any idea on this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17371679/main-ui-hangs-due-to-fetching-gps-geo-location Jun 29 06:56:08 omid8bimo: have you tried turning it off and on again :-P Jun 29 06:56:39 Looney: its not windows dude! :D Jun 29 06:57:34 well it could be that your app takes a lot of time in main thread Jun 29 06:58:06 well probably. but why? when it supposed to do things in background, why UI hangs? Jun 29 07:00:43 The Spotify client has lists of playlists (and lists of songs). Each playlist (and song) has its title displayed in the list with a little gray triangle in the lower right corner of the text field. This triangle is in fact a button that, when clicked, expands a menu below the title. Is this a standard component+ Jun 29 07:00:44 ? Jun 29 07:01:28 and you are indoors probably, have you tried moving under the clear sky ? ? Jun 29 07:07:06 Looney: of course, the gps works if i dont use asynctask. but slows down the UI, so proper way is to use it via asynctask which casue the app not to respond Jun 29 07:08:15 asynctask causes app to not respond :-o Jun 29 07:08:37 I once made a POC app for gps and had it in main thread Jun 29 07:08:48 it worked fine for lower API level Jun 29 07:09:16 but for the higher levels I changed the strict mode or thereof Jun 29 07:10:23 so im doing something wrong in my class/activity. did you notice anything in my code? Jun 29 07:10:58 maybe its not working because the gps fetching and handling stuff is in another class than main activity UI Jun 29 07:12:03 omid8bimo, btw, when you get an ANR dialog you get a stack trace in logcat on 4.1+ Jun 29 07:12:59 omid8bimo, ey, why are you running the callback mechanism on UI thread?! Jun 29 07:13:13 Mavrik: didnt notice that. i guess that would be useful. Jun 29 07:13:17 for the location provider? Jun 29 07:13:24 Mavrik: what do you mean? which line? Jun 29 07:13:42 you're passing "Looper.getMainLooper()" when you're requesting location updates Jun 29 07:13:50 which means callback code will run on UI thread Jun 29 07:14:09 AsyncTask won't help you if you request your code to run on UI thread you know :) Jun 29 07:14:17 Mavrik: oh yeah, i had to do that due to the Looper error Jun 29 07:14:42 i thought thats the standard way to add Looper to my location request! Jun 29 07:15:40 yes it is Jun 29 07:15:53 but the MAIN looper is the UI thread looper Jun 29 07:16:20 omid8bimo, where exactly were you getting Looper errors? Jun 29 07:16:30 there's usually no reason for you to need a Looper in such code Jun 29 07:18:21 Mavrik: i got this error if i didnt set the Looper > http://pastebin.com/fszqh7dS Jun 29 07:21:02 ah, I see Jun 29 07:22:56 Mavrik: so? Jun 29 07:24:09 well you can create a handlerthread and grab a looper from there to keep all this stuff from running on UI thread Jun 29 07:24:16 OR you're doing something slow somewhere else. Jun 29 07:38:04 Mavrik: i thought its simpler than that. Jun 29 07:52:11 Mavrik: how can i call/create the looper in my other class so the AsyncTask works in the main acitivty? Jun 29 07:58:09 Does it make the http request synchronously ? Jun 29 07:58:09 https://gist.github.com/bluesm/5890287 Jun 29 08:00:09 bluesm, yes. Jun 29 08:03:08 Mavrik: So I do need stand alone thread to do this. Or I will block my whole app Jun 29 08:03:27 if you don't create another thread it'll block your UI thread and cause ANR messages Jun 29 08:03:42 bluesm, check the doc for AsyncTask and/or Loaders Jun 29 08:04:13 bluesm, http://developer.android.com/training/basics/network-ops/connecting.html Jun 29 08:16:08 hi Jun 29 08:17:46 In FrameLayout, I have an imageView, and textView. I want text view to be at the bottom and in the center, however gravity allows only one of those Jun 29 08:23:08 thank you, 369 users on this chan. Jun 29 08:23:29 I would much like to set gravity to bottom center, could anyone please help me? Jun 29 08:24:15 look Jun 29 08:24:26 communist-cookie: bottom|center it is easy Jun 29 08:42:14 :) Jun 29 08:45:41 hi guys, i can't seem to find android studio's "deploy to device" Jun 29 08:50:17 Has anyone here used something like GMailSender to send an email directly from an application ? Jun 29 08:50:39 or the mail.jar class ? Jun 29 09:01:19 Mavrik: ANR message is "not responding message' Jun 29 09:01:31 Mavrik: What does not respond mean ? Jun 29 09:01:52 ANR = Application Not Responding Jun 29 09:02:20 Napalm: Thanks for expansion of acronym :) Jun 29 09:02:40 bluesm, that means that UI thread did not process input events in certain set amount of time Jun 29 09:02:49 which means that the app actually stuttered Jun 29 09:06:37 Mavrik: So just "process" long time. Don't giving message "I'm done! hey You can now fire the appropriate events when user click this/that" Jun 29 09:06:46 no. Jun 29 09:06:54 you're not supposed to do ANYTHING that takes time on UI thread Jun 29 09:07:00 it makes the UI freeze Jun 29 09:07:18 e.g. networking stuff Jun 29 09:07:58 Mavrik: clarification, "you're not suppose to do ANOTHING that might take an unreasonable amount of time on the UI thread" Jun 29 09:08:24 e.g. raytracing Jun 29 09:08:28 yeah, anything that would force Android to drop frames to achieve 60fps :) Jun 29 09:09:02 Mavrik: Ok. I got that. But default thread is UI thread. So infinite loop in onCreate callback of Activity will eventually send ANR message. Jun 29 09:09:12 file i/o, loading or synchronously committing shared preferences, bitmap decoding Jun 29 09:09:13 yep Jun 29 09:09:26 bitmap decoding is a nice one! Jun 29 09:09:35 any message/runnable passed to the main ui handler that takes >8.5ms to execute will have a 50% chance of causing a frame to drop Jun 29 09:09:40 14mp on a s4 Jun 29 09:09:53 monsti: Em. Bitmap is bitmap there is nothing to decode right ? Jun 29 09:09:55 :P Jun 29 09:10:15 well png -> bitmap is decoding at it's best Jun 29 09:21:13 anyone to help me? only easy questions, cause it is my 2nd day android-programming Jun 29 09:23:00 d.android.com is your best friend then :) Jun 29 09:23:41 Mavrik: I'll visit it. Just one here, ok? Jun 29 09:23:44 Oh wait. Jun 29 09:23:49 I think I solved it. Jun 29 09:24:17 ;) Jun 29 09:24:24 It was easy :D Jun 29 09:24:57 * monsti is on day 0 of win8 mobile coding Jun 29 09:25:46 monsti: then I am on day 1, if you start with 0 :) how it going? Jun 29 09:26:26 monsti: you probably a good skilled man, i am retarded nooby teenage dude who studies biology and chemistry Jun 29 09:28:00 Hello, I want to preform a task when the user quits the app, so I'm using onDestroy() to call my cleanup function. It works but it also calls onDestroy() when the user changes layout from portrait to landscape which is not good for me. is there a way to detect that so I could avoid the cleanup in that case? Jun 29 09:30:43 viran: Activity#onUserLeaveHint() Jun 29 09:32:59 Napalm: thanks Jun 29 09:45:40 Napalm: my activity extends FragmentActivity. i've added protected void onUserLeaveHint () { super.onUserLeaveHint(); Log.i("abc","userleave"); } but it's not being called... any idea what i'm missing? Jun 29 09:49:03 it responds to Home, but not to back or something else Jun 29 09:49:26 add onBackPressed(); then Jun 29 09:51:42 hey guys what would be the best way to make android device work as a for example security panel with keyboard where when you enter a combination of buttons it does something? the thing is that it cannot be closed or interrupted in any other way Jun 29 09:51:44 connection = url.openConnection(); does not look dns (It's is necessary to provide IP adress to the URL constructor ) ? Jun 29 09:52:48 Is it possible to show the overflow item on the action bar even with a hardware menu key? My goal: Hide all items in the menu, but let users know that there are some options. Jun 29 09:53:34 Napalm: thanks Jun 29 09:59:18 bluesm: What exactly are you trying to do. Jun 29 09:59:40 In most cases, http-requests by Kevin Sawicki and OkHttp by Square will make your life much easier. Jun 29 10:00:33 the class which implements HttpURLConnection is responsible for DNS resolution Jun 29 10:00:44 kakazza: Just get string data from server and then parse it :] Jun 29 10:01:02 The Jake himself! Jun 29 10:01:05 * kakazza bows Jun 29 10:01:25 Are you still awake or already awake? Jun 29 10:02:48 still awake Jun 29 10:02:51 3am Jun 29 10:03:12 JakeWharton: You're somewhat friends with Kevin, right? Push him to make use of the Alpha/Beta Release features of the Play Store for the Github app. Sucks being stuck on the Dezember version and I don't want to build myself all the time (lazy!) Jun 29 10:03:36 Pretty please :3 Jun 29 10:03:50 Yeah. He's not working on the Android app at all currently. Jun 29 10:03:57 I can pass it along, but I feel the same pains Jun 29 10:04:11 Mine or his? ;p Jun 29 10:04:24 It seems he added another maintainer? Jun 29 10:05:18 yeah I saw someone else merging stuff Jun 29 10:05:21 maybe another employee Jun 29 10:05:29 haven't talked to him in a few weeks Jun 29 10:06:37 atermenji is a former GSoC student of mine. Not sure if he's working for github now. Jun 29 10:11:52 I'd like to put an image in an application and "map" it like in HTML (so that I can put other views in the areas). How can I achieve it? Jun 29 10:12:44 I thought about relative layout, but I'm a bit confused when I use dp and switch layout (i.e. from a Nexus 7 to another tablet size and resolution) Jun 29 10:13:01 ^-- proportions change and the distances change Jun 29 10:45:00 Can .apk file be unpacked? Jun 29 10:45:05 And changed? Jun 29 10:46:52 thank you Jun 29 10:48:59 uh Jun 29 10:49:05 what's your REAL problem? Jun 29 10:49:19 Eclipse deleted my R.java Jun 29 10:49:21 since I very much doubt anything connected to Android development would involve modifying actual .apk files. Jun 29 10:49:28 and? Jun 29 10:49:33 I had it exported a while ago. Jun 29 10:49:33 R.java is automatically generated anyway Jun 29 10:49:50 How can I regenerate it? Jun 29 10:50:01 clean the project Jun 29 10:50:03 it gets created when you build the project Jun 29 10:50:10 if you don't have .xml errors Jun 29 10:50:10 Yeah it was. Jun 29 10:50:52 Then I made some stuff, 3 activities, it is few, but I am just starting, made 4, it was errorful, I deleted it and R.java got deleted too, I don't know how and why :) Jun 29 10:51:38 sonOfRa: I runned Clean Up but R.java was not taken back to life Jun 29 10:52:08 re build the project maybe ? Jun 29 10:52:20 I have a working .apk file and wanted to unpack it into the project Jun 29 10:52:36 never touch R.java Jun 29 10:52:38 I upacked it using WinRar. But what's next? Jun 29 10:52:40 I didn't. Jun 29 10:52:52 it will be created again when you build your app Jun 29 10:53:17 I was doing stuff with onClicks and I run it and uh-oh, an error? Jun 29 10:53:32 it won't be created if your app build fails... Jun 29 10:53:42 so fix your compile errors Jun 29 10:54:23 It only generates fails due to the lack of it creation. Jun 29 10:54:43 In lines like: setContentView(R.layout.activity_magic); Jun 29 10:55:05 nope Jun 29 10:56:03 unless you're referring to a resource which isn't in your resources... and assuming you've cleaned... clean... always clean Jun 29 10:56:47 Oh wat. Jun 29 10:56:50 It helped Jun 29 10:58:05 My activity.xml contains 'android:onclick="onClickBut"' in a Button Jun 29 10:58:46 and in activity.java I have 'public void onClickBut(View arg0)' though it says that the function does not exist Jun 29 10:59:36 hello Jun 29 10:59:39 oh Jun 29 10:59:46 it is another sign of my retardiness Jun 29 11:00:02 i have a gridlayout that i want to split into 6 columns, but apparently it doesn't do it unless the buttons i have can fill 6 columns. is there any way to force it? Jun 29 11:03:26 http://pastie.org/8094096 should it work? Jun 29 11:14:50 What is the path to the SMS Database file in ICS? Jun 29 11:18:37 hi Jun 29 11:18:38 What LCD density should I use for the most chance at app compatibility in the play store? Jun 29 11:25:11 ShapeShifter499: what do you mean ? Jun 29 11:25:25 you just want to choose one ?? Jun 29 11:26:45 StingRay_, I'm talking about on my device Jun 29 11:27:03 StingRay_, Not developing a app sorry Jun 29 11:27:11 ah, wrong channel then Jun 29 11:27:27 someone in #android-dev pointed me here when I asked Jun 29 11:27:28 xD Jun 29 11:27:40 I mean #android-root Jun 29 11:27:46 *tab fail Jun 29 11:28:09 thats cause they didnt want to answer maybe Jun 29 11:28:17 or thought you were talking about app dev Jun 29 11:28:27 as did I to start with :) Jun 29 11:28:28 probably Jun 29 11:30:33 how can i get a gridlayout to split the screen into 6 columns? they're all fixed width Jun 29 11:31:39 Stavros: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/GridLayout.html Jun 29 11:32:01 StingRay_: i've read that, it's clear as mud Jun 29 11:32:15 what? Jun 29 11:32:44 read again Jun 29 11:32:55 cause I think you must have had beer goggles Jun 29 11:33:05 cause it's very clear Jun 29 11:33:16 I cant think of a way it could be clearer Jun 29 11:33:29 well, in answering your question neways Jun 29 11:34:27 StingRay_: which part do you think answers my question? Jun 29 11:35:18 erm, at least 50+ of the 83 occurances or mention of the word "column" Jun 29 11:35:33 I really dont see how you could miss them all Jun 29 11:36:03 yeah, thanks for being a smartass, but setting columnCount defines the MAXIMUM number of columns, and doesn't say anything about their width Jun 29 11:36:17 maybe you should read the doc you pasted Jun 29 11:36:27 dont have to Jun 29 11:36:38 the width is controled by child Jun 29 11:36:46 like anything with variable content Jun 29 11:36:54 StingRay_: hey dude, i was looking for you :) Jun 29 11:37:18 StingRay_: can you take a look at this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17371679/main-ui-hangs-due-to-fetching-gps-geo-location Jun 29 11:38:20 StingRay_: hence my question of how i can split the screen evenly Jun 29 11:38:38 put in views with the same/equal width variant Jun 29 11:38:57 same dp/same weight/ same static like match_parent Jun 29 11:39:01 I would assume Jun 29 11:39:14 as is the case with most views like that Jun 29 11:39:18 listView etc Jun 29 11:39:47 Anyone know what a ITP-R208W is? Jun 29 11:40:14 hell if you put in something that didnt take the space fully, and the grid was match_parent, would still dist space equal I would think Jun 29 11:40:15 :) Jun 29 11:40:36 ah, nvm, had to search by the codename Jun 29 11:40:51 Am I able to see the data in InputStream ? Jun 29 11:41:29 hiya i made my first native function and compiled my c code. but eclipse puts it in libs/armabi/blah.so and when i run it my app cant find it there Jun 29 11:41:40 if i but my lib in libs/blah.so it does work Jun 29 11:41:57 *i put Jun 29 11:42:19 what am i missing Jun 29 11:42:49 StingRay_: hmm, thanks, it does match_parent but it's not taking the space fully... maybe the top view is doing something weird, i'll check, thanks Jun 29 11:46:26 is android stuck with maintianing this crappy style bollox now ? or will it be changed to something…more adaptable later …cause this is just getting me pissed off now Jun 29 11:46:27 :) Jun 29 11:46:39 morning everyone Jun 29 11:47:21 Does anyone know if an activity should instantiate a singleton, or, should it just call its static methods? Jun 29 11:52:14 hello Jun 29 11:52:51 can someone tell me if it is possible to use webview.PostUrl in order to login to this sort of loginsystem http://die-elite.bplaced.net/clansphere/ ? Jun 29 12:05:41 the problem is after using posturl i get redirected to the main page, not logged in. If i was logged in I would be at the userpanel, if logindata was false I would be at the loginscreen again so I am wondering if the CMS maybe blocks the post request Jun 29 12:06:07 but I cannot really imagine it since webbrowsers are not doing much different I think and they obviously work Jun 29 12:08:11 also other loginscripts work fine Jun 29 12:19:37 Flaiker: you aren't storing cookies, probably? Jun 29 12:20:05 no i am not Jun 29 12:20:11 you think that might be the problem? Jun 29 12:21:01 i thought as long as i use the same webview element it should store the cookies automatically by itself Jun 29 12:21:38 now that i think of it the loginsystems my code worked on were session based Jun 29 12:22:39 I am still looking for some suggestions in implementing a singleton pattern in android Jun 29 12:23:34 I would like to know if my activity should get the single instance and store it in a member variable; or, should it call its static methods to process any work? Jun 29 12:24:19 anyone any ideas on this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17371679/main-ui-hangs-due-to-fetching-gps-geo-location Jun 29 12:29:17 hi Jun 29 12:30:20 how can i mask a png? Jun 29 12:31:18 i don't find tutorial, i have this png https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lfkpi7sgt28l5h/battery.png and i have show a percentage of png Jun 29 12:44:28 I know how to downsample a large image memory-efficiently via BitmapFactory.Options.inSampleSize -- but how do I go the other way? Specifically, the goal is to crop a very large image, and save back the cropped section. The final cropped section itself very large. Jun 29 12:45:57 A jpeg? Jun 29 12:47:18 I can show a small version of the big image on the screen of course -- but now that i have the desired crop rectangle -- how can I go back to the original big image, and crop the (also pretty large) rectangle so I can save it? Jun 29 12:47:18 Most likely, yeah Jun 29 12:48:04 In principle, you only need to buffer 16 lines of a jpeg at a time. Jun 29 12:48:20 I've done this in C, for very large images on a small processor. Jun 29 12:48:29 (Well, very large for a processor with 200K of RAM) Jun 29 12:48:39 I don't know of a library to do this. Jun 29 12:53:23 is it save to say that a View.onDetachFromWindow is a safe way to implement a destroy/dispose type setup? Jun 29 12:53:38 rats. bad tethering... if someone had an answer for the "how to stream crop a large image", could you please re-state it? Jun 29 12:55:38 In principle, you only need to buffer 16 lines of a jpeg at a time. Jun 29 12:55:38 Mavrik (~mavrik@84.255.203.156) has joined #android-dev Jun 29 12:55:38 I've done this in C, for very large images on a small processor. Jun 29 12:55:38 (Well, very large for a processor with 200K of RAM) Jun 29 12:55:38 I don't know of a library to do this. Jun 29 12:55:38 if some knows how to take a picture and rotate if needed without having to capture the bytes before hand THEN rotate via creating another bitmap+matrix Jun 29 12:59:22 SpeedEvil: yep -- got that idea, thanks. The question I have is -- is there android support to "stream" the values rather than load it all Jun 29 12:59:22 SpeedEvil: *nod* understood -- basically, idea would be to roll my own jpegdecoder and go from there Jun 29 13:00:45 heh... fwiw, you might be able to just set an exif flag on (a jpeg) image; parsing the exif headers isn't too bad Jun 29 13:00:47 Basically. Jun 29 13:01:08 Or find a suitable library. Jun 29 13:01:55 how to know how many thread an android application has running Jun 29 13:03:03 Thread.activeCount() maybe omid8bimo Jun 29 13:03:21 or Thread.getAllStackTraces().keySet(); Jun 29 13:09:31 xastey_: i guess Thread.activeCount() would do it. although i get 3 thread when my app is doing nothing and its just a hello world! Jun 29 13:11:52 what are you trying to find out anyways? Jun 29 13:12:18 the thread count is by app I believe not system wide omid8bimo Jun 29 13:14:13 xastey_: well, im trying to find how many threads my current app have created Jun 29 13:16:39 then that should work.. 1=main looper 2, activity looper . Jun 29 13:16:51 not sure what the third is but that seems somewhat right Jun 29 13:17:15 xastey_: hmm. ok good Jun 29 13:17:33 omid8bimo, why do you expect it to be more.. its just a hello world app.. also why the concern? Jun 29 13:18:51 xastey_: no no, im reading about thread and stuff, and thought before i create a Runnable/thread objects, i check how many thread would be there by default Jun 29 13:19:18 i thought there should be one, but 3 for default app that does nothing was interesting Jun 29 13:19:29 you shouldn't need to do that yourself.. you can use an executor pool to handle that for you Jun 29 13:20:02 xastey_: handle what for me? Jun 29 13:20:32 you can select how many threads you want active at one time (if you submit thru the executor service) Jun 29 13:21:40 I'm having a problem with SurfaceDestroyed() method of SurfaceView. As far as I've read, SurfaceDestroyed is called when something else pops up on the screen, like e.g. a call. And the guideline says for the developer to clean up and make sure everything like music and access to SurfaceView must be stopped before exiting SurfaceDestroyed() method. When testing, in order to make sure it doesn't exit the method before it's ok, I tell the T Jun 29 13:21:41 hread to way 10 seconds. It clearly doesn't. And I can see why my app shouldn't be able to hang everything like that of course. But how then does one make sure it doesn't exit before things are ready? Jun 29 13:22:09 xastey_: aa got it Jun 29 13:23:09 mr_lou, if you debug step your code is it still invoked ? .. how much cleanup do you have to do? Jun 29 13:24:56 xastey, Basically all I'm currently doing is to set nextState = pause, and when wait until currentState = nextState, because that means the end of my game-loop is reached and it's ready. Jun 29 13:26:09 xastey, So I'm really just doing this: while(currentState!=pause) { nextState = pause; sleepSomeTime(); } Jun 29 13:26:15 Currently trying it without the sleep. Jun 29 13:26:40 xastey, I don't think that procedure is pretty. But it's what I've seen other devs do in countless Android examples. Jun 29 13:30:54 wow tech week has some figures on dev earnings Jun 29 13:30:59 for ios and android Jun 29 13:31:17 it's quite a big gap considering android numbers out there Jun 29 13:31:47 5:1 winner, iOS :( Jun 29 13:31:52 The fact that we cannot access a SurfaceView just because it's not visible, also doesn't make any sense to me. Jun 29 13:31:59 based on top grosing 200 apps Jun 29 13:32:09 StingRay_, That's no surprise. Everyone knows iOS is where the money is. Jun 29 13:32:19 yeah I know that Jun 29 13:32:24 just didnt think it was a 5:1 Jun 29 13:32:33 People like shiny things. Jun 29 13:32:52 Yea, that is a lot. Jun 29 13:33:54 But as far as I understand, it's not about iOS being better or having more users. It's a question of mentality. iOS users are generally just more willing to pay for their software. Jun 29 13:34:17 Android users wants free stuff, even if it's stuffed with ads. Jun 29 13:34:50 I despise the ad model really Jun 29 13:35:03 I don't like it either, but we gotta make money some how. Jun 29 13:35:14 You also need to take into account geography, I think. Jun 29 13:35:25 I'm going with Greystripe's fullscreen ad. Jun 29 13:35:26 iOS is fairly popular in the so called 'first world' Jun 29 13:36:56 YuviPanda very true but have you seen the mobile OS dist figures ? Jun 29 13:37:16 granted some parts of asia are like 0% ios Jun 29 13:37:39 but in the "1st" world, there is quite and even split if not more android Jun 29 13:38:06 true! I'm not saying geography is the only factor Jun 29 13:38:20 just that it is something to be ocnsidered when saying 'look at the marketshare vs revenue!' Jun 29 13:43:31 * mr_lou is almost done with his first Android game Jun 29 13:46:50 If I can manage to fix this bug that is. Jun 29 13:47:12 Have to say, coming from JavaME, Android seems messy here and there. Jun 29 13:48:08 And has some annoying limitations / certain ways you have to do things. Jun 29 13:49:51 That can be an advantage compared to TMTOWTDI. Jun 29 13:49:58 But doesn't have to be. Jun 29 13:50:26 What do game devs use these days? Things like Unity to deploy to all platforms or really write native code, maybe using libGDX and the likes? Jun 29 13:54:44 I don't know what TMTOWTDI is. Jun 29 13:55:13 And yes, there sure are a lot of devs that no longer writes a lot of code, but rather use drag'n'drop tools. I'm not one of them, and I don't like being forced to become one. Jun 29 13:55:43 I create the way to get string from the InputStream. Does it make any sense ? Jun 29 13:55:44 https://gist.github.com/bluesm/5891184 Jun 29 13:55:49 (While(true) loop) Jun 29 13:59:34 apache commons has an util Jun 29 14:00:49 There's More Than One Way To Do It, mr_lou Jun 29 14:01:14 mr_lou: I have no experience with stuff like Unity. Is it Drag'N'Drop? Jun 29 14:01:45 Dunno. Jun 29 14:01:56 I prefer to code everything myself. Jun 29 14:02:13 I don't feel comfortable using whatever tool. Jun 29 14:03:30 Anyone know of an lib that can do walkthroughs, or feature overviews easily Jun 29 14:03:47 thinks like to let a user know how to use a certain feature pointing to a button for instance Jun 29 14:03:51 if that makes sense Jun 29 14:04:33 xastey_: But what's wrong with my solution ? Jun 29 14:04:54 mr_lou: But is that code is any good ? Jun 29 14:06:04 bluesm, just read the input stream into a buffer and pass that buffer to new String Jun 29 14:06:12 bluesm, It runs fast on older devices, which is kind of part of the hobby. Fun to see a smooth scroll-picker on an older JavaME device. Jun 29 14:07:10 mr_lou: It's probably not to me. Jun 29 14:07:29 Ah, you're the one who's targetting API 4, right? Jun 29 14:07:49 kakazza, Yea, except the Greystripe ad API forces me up to API 7. Jun 29 14:08:06 bummer Jun 29 14:08:06 Well, lost another 9 customers! Jun 29 14:08:08 But fine Jun 29 14:08:11 lol Jun 29 14:08:19 hehe Jun 29 14:08:25 But we went over this already, I know you see it as a challenge. Jun 29 14:08:30 They can buy the ad-free version then. :-> Jun 29 14:08:40 is it horrible to shoot for 11? :) Jun 29 14:08:52 No Jun 29 14:09:06 the fragment stuff force me there... Jun 29 14:09:09 API 11 has <0.1% according to the Android Dashboard. Jun 29 14:09:16 Fragments are in support-v4 Jun 29 14:09:34 well maybe it was someting else... it was when i was working with the fragments that i hit it tho Jun 29 14:09:46 Either try to support 10+ using support-v4 or 15+ Jun 29 14:09:57 is it possible to alter a update file from the OEM to leave out junkware you dont want or will remvoing them break the update Jun 29 14:09:59 11-14 are <0.1% Jun 29 14:10:04 flipture: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html Jun 29 14:10:30 kakazza: ah cool Jun 29 14:10:46 What's usually recommended here is to target API 15+. Unless you care about 2.3.x Jun 29 14:11:02 i see why you say 10 tho Jun 29 14:11:05 If you're already at API 11, might aswell go for 15 and use the available APIs there. Jun 29 14:11:10 true Jun 29 14:11:23 kakazza, Yes, it's a part of the hobby I enjoy. Then there's that other part of the hobby I don't enjoy. ;-) Things like needing to stop my game from accessing SurfaceView just because it's not visible. Not used to such weird things from JavaME. Jun 29 14:11:31 API 10 is only getting less and less. 15+ is 58% of the market. Jun 29 14:12:55 Is there any way of adding a Cancel button to a sharing intent? http://sudarmuthu.com/blog/sharing-content-in-android-using-action_send-intent Jun 29 14:15:06 xastey_: I could create StringBuffer. Is it good idea? Jun 29 14:15:13 this is all new to me so nothign to miss about the old :) Jun 29 14:15:17 But, when this game is done I don't think I'll engage myself in another Android project. I think I'll stick to the game-music department instead. Jun 29 14:15:22 <-- musician Jun 29 14:15:35