**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 24 02:59:59 2013 Sep 24 03:00:50 yea Sep 24 03:00:53 i hated it Sep 24 03:01:02 so footery Sep 24 03:01:20 could spend a couple of hours easy just doing digrams Sep 24 03:04:16 only if programing was as eas as reading all though programing books lol Sep 24 03:12:03 thepiratebay to the rescue, they actually have links to the videos I want Sep 24 03:12:23 <^cheeky> what videos ? Sep 24 03:12:51 some old anime Sep 24 03:12:58 I ripped and encoded some of my dvds to bring with me Sep 24 03:13:03 but I corrupted copying an episode to my nexus 7 Sep 24 03:13:03 yaoi ? Sep 24 03:13:32 lol Sep 24 03:13:46 speak for yourself Sep 24 03:13:47 <^cheeky> anime!!!! yess Sep 24 03:14:07 you guys remind me that I am way behind on my watching queue Sep 24 03:14:12 and I have no way of fixing that Sep 24 03:14:28 sure you do, just turn it on as your background noise Sep 24 03:14:39 pfn: My current hw won't play Sep 24 03:14:44 <^cheeky> guys , do have to only use inBitmap if i find one in the Re-usable hashset ? Sep 24 03:14:56 pfn: I have to wait for few paychecks to come in Sep 24 03:15:02 * pfn wanders downstairs to the gym Sep 24 03:15:02 I hope it doesn't suck Sep 24 03:15:04 p_l, saywhat Sep 24 03:15:17 use any pc to play? Sep 24 03:16:07 pfn: my only PC is broken rather much Sep 24 03:16:29 and a lot of my storage is locked out as well till I bring parts Sep 24 03:16:31 bummer Sep 24 03:17:18 no streaming from my laptop as well, unless they fixed uni network Sep 24 03:17:30 (previously it isolated every client from each other) Sep 24 03:18:19 hey ... can someone tell me what i need to do to receive a system broadcast intent? im specifically trying to receive an indication when the bluetooth state changes, which is sent out by the system Sep 24 03:19:02 canurabus, simple, add it to your intent filter Sep 24 03:19:16 all broadcasts can be received as long as it's not targeted to a component Sep 24 03:20:11 pfn: is that something i do in an activity? Sep 24 03:24:36 Is Android Studio on topic here? Sep 24 03:25:57 lots of topic around AS, especially about it ruining projects when people upgrade ;) Sep 24 03:26:53 Heh - I was just going to mention a funny: If you start a block comment towards the top of a class, POOF! all your imports get deleted Sep 24 03:27:11 AS immediately removes all the 'unused' imports Sep 24 03:28:15 CTRL+Z will get you back, and I guess you can turn on autoimport, but somewhat of a PITA Sep 24 03:28:28 never saw that Sep 24 03:28:37 Overall AS > Eclipse for sure Sep 24 03:28:49 well, really, anything is Sep 24 03:28:55 I think you can disable import cleanup Sep 24 03:29:10 maybe I have a goofy IDE setting, but in a class constructor I started a block and BAM no more imports Sep 24 03:29:20 looking now Sep 24 03:30:17 I have goofy key bindings in IntelliJ that make me look slightly insane/impatient. Sep 24 03:30:32 like what ? Sep 24 03:31:53 I have a parent view where a TextView is one of its grand child. I want to force the textview to remeasure (to accomodate its changed text) from parent view. forceLayout or requestLayout or invalidate did not work. Any suggestion? Sep 24 03:32:43 "Optimize imports on the fly" is the setting that will screw you Sep 24 03:33:03 my life with AS has been relatively hassle free , but i make an effort to not stray from the straight and narrow Sep 24 03:33:17 I turned it off, and block comments work now, all the imports just turn gray until I close my block comment Sep 24 03:33:36 I try to as well, since I was sooo sick of Eclipse, I'm using AS in production Sep 24 03:34:08 but use Vim for all server side coding for Node.js Sep 24 03:35:08 how's node going for ya ? Sep 24 03:35:36 I love it Sep 24 03:37:00 I have an Android REST client and Node.js is providing my REST server Sep 24 03:37:45 very active developer community, just like Android Sep 24 03:37:46 do you have something behind node to do the data calls or does node do it all for you? Sep 24 03:38:06 I use MongoDB NoSQL database Sep 24 03:38:23 and the native node.js mongo database driver Sep 24 03:40:04 my only struggle is my own, DB atomicity in an async evironment. Sep 24 03:40:36 i don't really get it, to be honest. it just seems like a "do it coz you can" kinda thing Sep 24 03:41:28 Nah, Node is a dream, seriously, BUT I didn't come from Ruby/Rails Sep 24 03:41:59 coming from a LAMP stack to Node is sweet Sep 24 03:42:34 neeky: well, LAMP involves two fundamental errors: PHP and MySQL. I don't see how fixing only one of them is that great ;) Sep 24 03:42:54 bankai_ yeah, i dont get it either from the "is you know js, you can use it here too perspective" … but wonder if there is value in having js on the server if code is shared between both client / server (maybe for validation) Sep 24 03:42:55 node fixes AMP, and the L is good Sep 24 03:43:28 the "A" is not really fixed - I wouldn't put node on directly facing host Sep 24 03:43:37 p_l P can be bython Sep 24 03:43:42 very little code is shared between client and server the majority of the time, that's not really a reason top use node Sep 24 03:43:50 lol PYThon Sep 24 03:44:01 g00s: it stands usually for something much different, with occasional smattering of Perl ;) Sep 24 03:44:04 neeky oh, ok. Sep 24 03:44:09 but theer is a browserify bandwagon that people jump on, but I'm not on it Sep 24 03:44:42 what about all the queuing, threading, caching etc. are you writing all that yourself in node ? Sep 24 03:44:57 But I DO run nginx in front of node, for SSL and general security Sep 24 03:45:09 bankai_: not like he didn't have to write that in PHP as well ;) Sep 24 03:45:16 Node is javascript - no threading :) Sep 24 03:45:32 ok definitely don't see a point in it now Sep 24 03:45:36 i dont even think js has real integers :| Sep 24 03:46:13 node is asynchronous, so no threading is a huge advantage Sep 24 03:46:38 node is single-threaded, non-concurrent mess of callbacks and state ;) Sep 24 03:47:05 nihil novi sub sole Sep 24 03:47:25 how are people running this on a large scale then ? Sep 24 03:47:59 bankai_, thats the deal, people get hung up in threading (see the pun) but node is tremendously scalable and fast Sep 24 03:48:13 how ? Sep 24 03:48:27 bankai_: the same thing they did with Rails, PHP, and JS in browsers: Crotch rocketry Sep 24 03:50:10 the scalability mirage comes from the fact that a lot of node apps are i/o bound anyway, so if you remember to jump around a lot you're fine Sep 24 03:51:08 I have a parent view where a TextView is one of its grand child. I want to force the textview to remeasure (to accomodate its changed text) from parent view. forceLayout or requestLayout or invalidate did not work. Any suggestion Sep 24 03:51:51 bankai_: funny thing - PostgreSQL is faster at NoSQL stuff than Mongo, iirc Sep 24 03:52:04 p_l i've been kinda confused to see a few projects, embedded like arduinos, come with Js as their main environment Sep 24 03:52:36 g00s: well, it's the new BASIC Sep 24 03:54:08 I suppose node.js is faster than other ways for constant updating Sep 24 03:54:11 LinkedIn mobile is an example of a well scaled node app Sep 24 03:54:24 so is AirBnB Sep 24 03:54:45 shmooz: not really, afaik you still need to restart the app Sep 24 03:56:41 I use forever, it restarts my app when code changes Sep 24 03:57:00 Unless you have hot-patching, you have nothing new over everyone else ;) Sep 24 03:57:17 neeky where does LinkedIn use node ? Sep 24 03:57:34 (and hot-patching has been there since 80s - even Windows has some level of support for it!) Sep 24 03:57:37 then again, FB uses PHP so thats not a good argument ;) Sep 24 03:57:48 Their mobile server is 100% node Sep 24 03:57:54 i see Sep 24 03:58:11 NyTimes uses node too Sep 24 03:58:46 neeky: they don't need that much processing in it, frankly speaking Sep 24 03:59:24 Personally, I think a lot of the "scale" is because a lot of web devs are used to stuff that has *horrible* performance and *horrible* model behind it Sep 24 04:00:02 ok I'm gonna read this crap now, thanks to you guys ... http://www.nodebeginner.org/ Sep 24 04:00:06 even Rails was in a way a step-up from PHP, and it was excessively slow and broken even without the evaluator model of Ruby MRI <=1.8 Sep 24 04:00:23 neeky that new Blog platform uses Node … whats it called Sep 24 04:00:29 shmooz: if you ever want crazy scale in terms of concurrency, look up Erlang :) Sep 24 04:00:34 what are the benefits, why would someone want to use it ? Sep 24 04:00:52 Ghost Sep 24 04:00:58 shmooz: of Erlang? Sep 24 04:01:04 no node Sep 24 04:01:16 anyway, that site will tell me all about it I suppose Sep 24 04:01:40 g00s, not sure Sep 24 04:01:51 neeky http://ghost.org/ Sep 24 04:01:54 ah Sep 24 04:01:54 I was about to do php mysql connection to android app, but now maybe this is better Sep 24 04:02:09 shmooz waaat Sep 24 04:02:11 I'm having very good luck with it Sep 24 04:02:13 shmooz: php and mysql are rarely a good choice Sep 24 04:02:36 We are no longer constrained by shitty shared hostings with PHP and MySQL as only options Sep 24 04:02:39 p_l: you need a mid layer php to communicate between android app and mysql Sep 24 04:02:40 node.js, express, mongodb, and mongoose are the major components of my REST api Sep 24 04:02:57 shmooz: MySQL is not a good option either Sep 24 04:03:14 well its what I had on my server already Sep 24 04:03:15 mongodb is asking god to test your disaster recovery skills, too :) Sep 24 04:03:30 I deploy on Amazon Ec2 in seconds, using post-commit git hooks Sep 24 04:03:32 mongo disasters Sep 24 04:03:57 and funnily enough, it seems that PostgreSQL can kill Mongo in performance Sep 24 04:03:58 yes, i've heard all about the mongodb disasters, but i have not second guessed myself yet - Sep 24 04:04:39 CoucDB and Cassandra are options Sep 24 04:05:01 yeah, I got no bones about PostgreSQL Sep 24 04:06:19 but i'm not sure what started the 'mongo is bad for disaster recovery' meme Sep 24 04:06:26 you'll still need some php with PostgreSQL for security reasons Sep 24 04:06:43 you don't want to store your db user/pass on the app apk Sep 24 04:07:14 yeah, you'll want a session based REST API if you need to consume data services Sep 24 04:08:41 that was the best part, the Android side was a piece of cake Sep 24 04:08:54 just http verbs, and JSON Sep 24 04:09:07 weird thing about intellij is one of my projects, it keeps importing the nested classes of R Sep 24 04:09:21 so my R.whatever.foo becomes whatever.foo Sep 24 04:09:23 very annoying Sep 24 04:09:32 shmooz: and PHP is also not a good choice ;) Sep 24 04:09:39 php is teh suck choice Sep 24 04:09:54 ok a server side language Sep 24 04:10:02 I like php Sep 24 04:10:08 it's so garbage Sep 24 04:10:16 it reminds me of C Sep 24 04:10:23 of C? Sep 24 04:10:24 saywhat Sep 24 04:10:28 it's a bastardized perl Sep 24 04:10:31 how can it remind you of C Sep 24 04:10:32 and it's deliriously kept to CGI model Sep 24 04:10:41 perl reminds me of C too Sep 24 04:10:57 the only reason perl can remind you of C is that many of its built-in functions mirror posix C calls Sep 24 04:11:00 but that's it Sep 24 04:11:01 pfn: well, it was written as macros in C that resembled C because Perl was too hard for the author ;) Sep 24 04:11:04 it has absolutely no resemblance to C Sep 24 04:11:10 I'm in a specific situation where I need to initialize a list adapter before the view being inflated for the ListFragment. This is my code : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6680264 Since every time the onActivityCreated() is called, the onScroll Listener is being called with (0,0,0) as its parameters. Is there any way to fix this problem? Sep 24 04:11:17 * pfn remembers when php was phpfi Sep 24 04:11:30 anything that ends statements with semicolons reminds me of C Sep 24 04:11:46 so java reminds you of C Sep 24 04:11:47 ok Sep 24 04:11:55 of course Sep 24 04:11:59 Is there any way to clear off all the list items when a fragment is resumed atleast? Sep 24 04:12:36 they are all C like languages Sep 24 04:13:29 well, java is somewhat C like in syntax Sep 24 04:13:32 perl... not so much Sep 24 04:13:33 and I've found PHP libs to be pretty useful and convenient Sep 24 04:13:38 * napster believes the Fragment lifecycle should have been as same as the Activity's, that a resuming fragment should land in onResume() and not in onCreateView() :) Sep 24 04:14:40 well, java does have curly brackets :P Sep 24 04:14:48 reminds me of c :D Sep 24 04:14:53 p_l, oh, and about your uni network isolating all your devices from each other, buy a cheapshit router to get around that and nat your dorm room Sep 24 04:15:01 also, the FUD about mongo was before it had journaling - it is as durable as couch and PostgreSQL since version 2 something Sep 24 04:15:06 pfn: right now I have no room nor place to sleep Sep 24 04:15:19 homeless bum Sep 24 04:15:29 go sit on the corner and hold a sign up saying "will code for food" Sep 24 04:15:30 :p Sep 24 04:15:36 neeky: it's nowhere as durable as Postgres, sorry. It might not have horribly idiotic behaviour, but it will take time for it to be vetted Sep 24 04:15:40 pfn: the problem is not money Sep 24 04:15:53 I can throw it, but nothing happens Sep 24 04:16:47 throw the money my way then ! Sep 24 04:17:26 hargh I cant seem to change the theme using android studio Sep 24 04:17:40 what's to change? Sep 24 04:17:44 set the theme in AndroidManifest.xml Sep 24 04:17:49 what does android studio have to do with it? Sep 24 04:17:52 Holo.Light.NoActionBar.FullScreen still shows action bar :\ Sep 24 04:17:57 i dunno, I was thinking maybe its a bug Sep 24 04:18:14 maybe he means the theme of the IDE Sep 24 04:18:22 shows actionbr where? Sep 24 04:18:22 in the preview? Sep 24 04:18:22 * pfn shrugs Sep 24 04:18:30 no the preview looks right Sep 24 04:18:33 I never really count on the design preview Sep 24 04:18:34 the app itself doesn't match the preview Sep 24 04:18:44 tnzr, then your app isn't reading the manifest like you think you set Sep 24 04:18:52 use aapt d xmltree Sep 24 04:19:16 hmm ok.. I did notice that ther eare several values folders under res Sep 24 04:19:26 pfn: ok Sep 24 04:22:19 I'm in a specific situation where I need to initialize a list adapter before the view being inflated for the ListFragment. This is my code : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6680264 Since every time the onActivityCreated() is called, the onScroll Listener is being called with (0,0,0) as its parameters. Is there any way to fix this problem? Sep 24 04:37:51 how can I change the Project Build Target from android 4.3 to an earlier version? I don't see anything in the eclipse "Project -> Properties -> Android -> Project Build Target" ui to change this :( Sep 24 04:39:17 ahhughes: you declare it in your AndroidManifest.xml Sep 24 04:39:22 you might have to change in the project.properties file Sep 24 04:39:44 ahhughes, You must install the api first then edit build-target Sep 24 04:40:51 I've got all the api's installed since 2.2 Sep 24 04:41:31 but I only have a checkbox in the ui for 4.3 Sep 24 04:44:36 i'm never going to figure this out. i need "how to partition your layouts, fragment, activities for phones and tablets of all sized for dummies". looking at the iosched app, its structure is not obvious to me at all. Sep 24 04:44:44 project build target goes in project.properties Sep 24 04:44:47 or build.gradle Sep 24 04:44:54 project api target goes in AndroidManifest.xml Sep 24 04:44:59 api target defines app behavior Sep 24 04:45:08 build target declares what version to compile against Sep 24 04:45:34 ahhughes, just quit eclipse, edit project.properties Sep 24 04:45:48 and change target=android-N Sep 24 04:45:57 re-start eclipse and presto, everything works like magic Sep 24 04:46:09 <^cheeky> when i get different size images .. they never gonna be able to use inBitmap, even if calculate the inSamplesize :( Sep 24 04:46:29 try coherent english? Sep 24 04:47:01 cheers! Sep 24 04:50:03 <^cheeky> i am trying to implement inBitmap with BitmapFactory.Options, these images i get from flikr, are all different sizes, even after i calculate the inSample size for the BitmapFactory, and decode these images never match Sep 24 04:53:53 never match what? Sep 24 04:54:22 <^cheeky> the images stashed in the LruCache object Sep 24 04:54:45 now you're really making no sense Sep 24 04:55:36 <^cheeky> ok .. inBitmap usually works for images of the same size right Sep 24 04:56:02 <^cheeky> so if i am using images fetched from the net, they are all of different sizes Sep 24 04:56:52 <^cheeky> how would i re-use the bitmap or use the Bitmapfactory.options.inBitmap functionality Sep 24 04:59:22 well, first off, you can't re-use the bitmap Sep 24 04:59:27 a bitmap has a fixed dimension Sep 24 04:59:39 so if your input bitmaps all have different dimensions, they will be scaled Sep 24 05:00:25 hello all Sep 24 05:00:39 napster, but onResume is the landing call... Sep 24 05:00:51 napster, anything else is counter to what is documented, and would be wrong Sep 24 05:01:12 hey QubeZ Sep 24 05:01:25 hey g00s Sep 24 05:02:54 <^cheeky> pfn: they will be scaled differently hence the widths and heights would be different Sep 24 05:03:15 ^cheeky, have you even read the documentation for what inBitmap does? Sep 24 05:03:20 The current implementation necessitates that the reused bitmap be mutable and of the same size as the source content. Sep 24 05:03:25 reading OP Sep 24 05:03:26 <^cheeky> yes ..:( Sep 24 05:04:04 <^cheeky> ok i am not very bright i am just trying not have such big pauses caused by the GC Sep 24 05:05:37 create less garbage, recycle earlier and faster Sep 24 05:06:14 gc pauses also get longer as you maintain more references Sep 24 05:06:30 store less crap in memory results in fewer gc pauses even if you're freeing stuff constantly Sep 24 05:07:24 gc pauses are most noticeable when you have to run full gc Sep 24 05:07:45 on the jvm at least Sep 24 05:08:06 <^cheeky> all i am storing, are the scaled down images .. Sep 24 05:09:13 <^cheeky> i also think its to do with my inner classes Sep 24 05:09:32 <^cheeky> ill keep trying to solve it Sep 24 05:11:14 pfn, In the docs I see onCreateView() is the landing call after return. Take a look : http://developer.android.com/images/fragment_lifecycle.png Sep 24 05:11:43 there's several approaches, use traceview to see where time is actually spent, not assuming that it's gc, check your drawing performance, and use a memory analyzer to see what your actual memory usage is and in-heap stuff Sep 24 05:11:53 bitmaps aren't actually backed by vm heap, they're backed by native heap Sep 24 05:12:02 or at least I was under the impression that they went under native heap Sep 24 05:12:13 and wouldn't necessarily be subject to vm gc Sep 24 05:12:38 napster, onResume is the final call before being "active" Sep 24 05:13:03 I don't see how you call onCreateView the "landing" call Sep 24 05:13:40 the initial call, maybe, synonymous with onCreate, but not onResume Sep 24 05:13:40 may be I'm a bit confused with the fragment lifecycle. Sep 24 05:15:19 seems like it Sep 24 05:15:44 oy, must go to bed Sep 24 05:17:17 damnit, I didn't get the concierge room, no free breakfast/dinner Sep 24 05:21:13 when I try Run As -> Android Application. I get an error because ./bin/com/example/HelloWorld.apk does not exist... I have a class there but no apk.. what would cause such a problem? Sep 24 05:21:29 you fubared your project setup Sep 24 05:21:47 oh, you can't just right click a class and say run as android application Sep 24 05:21:56 you can only run your whole project as an android application Sep 24 05:22:07 thats what Im doin Sep 24 05:22:22 it doesn't build the apk... thats the problem :/ Sep 24 05:22:32 nope, you right clicked HelloWorld.java and said run as android application Sep 24 05:23:35 errr, nope. Sep 24 05:23:41 I promise. Sep 24 05:24:20 * pfn shrugs Sep 24 05:24:29 then your project is not an android project Sep 24 05:24:45 I think you might be onto something... Sep 24 05:25:32 mind you I have no idea what "makes" it an android project.... historically speaking I am a maven person.... but in this case I can't go that way. Sep 24 05:25:40 sure you can Sep 24 05:25:47 maven builds android projects just fine Sep 24 05:25:55 * pfn go zzz & Sep 24 05:26:09 * pfn highly recommends intellij rather than eclipse Sep 24 05:26:13 nah, not the issue... doing phonegap dev. Sep 24 05:26:24 pfn: agreed in principle Sep 24 05:27:05 so, what aspect of my project setup is missing the bit that packs the apk? Sep 24 05:27:36 does GridView support CAB? i've never seen it used that way Sep 24 05:28:45 g00s, what is CAB? Sep 24 05:28:56 contextual action Sep 24 05:29:00 bar Sep 24 05:29:03 ok Sep 24 05:29:18 i guess it should Sep 24 05:29:21 hm Sep 24 05:34:12 hehe, pretty cool 'pastebin for layouts' :D Sep 24 05:34:25 http://www.asciiflow.com Sep 24 05:35:34 hahah how cool is that!?!?! Sep 24 05:42:10 wow :D Sep 24 05:43:30 When I launch a web page in the browser using intent, can I detect if the window is closed or 404's? Sep 24 05:44:17 if there is a way to start browser as activity for result Sep 24 05:44:21 that'd be my best guess Sep 24 05:45:15 ah, and then listen for the result as well as capturing the intent Sep 24 05:45:26 i'm doing some twitter oauth via webpages Sep 24 05:46:18 g00s, quit calling it CAB, no one gets it here, call it by its api Sep 24 05:46:24 action modes Sep 24 05:46:46 and action modes are agnostic to what your list pattern is Sep 24 05:50:02 i guess then i should ask if action modes work with GridView they way they do with ListView when setChoiceMode(ListView.CHOICE_MODE_MULTIPLE_MODAL); Sep 24 05:50:21 by showing checkboxes Sep 24 05:50:27 oh well, i'll have to try it Sep 24 05:50:49 Apparently 20gb was not enough space to do a repo sync. Sep 24 05:50:56 I hate my life. Sep 24 05:52:05 aww shit Sep 24 05:52:13 Nilium just get the repos you need Sep 24 05:52:24 But I want them all. Sep 24 05:52:25 ALL. Sep 24 05:52:54 Ok, let's see, which one had all the Android resource files in it.. Sep 24 06:02:03 I created a really simple broadcast receiver to indicate when the state of the bluetooth adapter changes... unfortunately nothing seems to happen (my receiver doesn't seem to ever have its onReceive method called). Sep 24 06:02:28 do i actually need to create an instance of the class? the docs seem to indicate android would handle creation and destruction of the object on its own Sep 24 06:02:46 canurabus, may be show us the code? Sep 24 06:03:58 here's the manifest, where i set the receiver class and the intent-filter (at the end of the file) http://pastebin.com/qdftUFmU Sep 24 06:05:07 and this is the receiver: http://pastebin.com/rkHnYzrQ Sep 24 06:06:44 oh im missing the bluetooth permission Sep 24 06:07:09 maybe adding that will let me receive the broadcast intent Sep 24 06:24:14 hello Sep 24 06:31:20 Hey guys, is there anyway i can force a child to remeasure from a parent view. requestLayout on parent doesn't work. Sep 24 06:35:36 Is there any book or reference to learn all the tricks and useful stuff about android dev, and be a master android dev? (I already know all the generic programming stuff outside of Android... I just need to learn the things that are specific to android) Sep 24 06:36:32 BTW: Is there any way to run tests created with roboelectric in an android device? (I'm not interested in the discussion whether it's a good idea or not... I just want to do it) Sep 24 06:43:30 hi everybody, anyone else here has a problem with memory leaks in volley Sep 24 06:44:36 brrt: nope... Sep 24 06:44:55 brrt: because a wise friend told me... volley seems great!!! but not yet ready to use xD Sep 24 06:45:15 volley is pretty good Sep 24 06:45:19 but memory leaks are BAD Sep 24 06:45:31 and it seems to me there is one Sep 24 06:46:57 i wonder if they will add volley to the support library, or the support repository Sep 24 06:55:44 any other great libraries to consider for apps? Sep 24 07:00:05 dunno Sep 24 07:00:11 volley is actually pretty good Sep 24 07:00:20 this memory leaking business however.... Sep 24 07:02:01 guava shall be good Sep 24 07:07:13 Aaaand I just now found out about ~compile in sbt. Sep 24 07:07:23 I feel like an idiot. Sep 24 07:33:51 <^cheeky> i like this too much to give up , :( .. so i take it i cant use the view holder pattern Sep 24 07:34:15 <^cheeky> if i am downloading images async or using handler thread messages Sep 24 07:36:16 <^cheeky> YESS Sep 24 07:36:18 <^cheeky> i can Sep 24 07:36:20 <^cheeky> :))))) Sep 24 07:37:17 ^cheeky, whaddayamean Sep 24 07:37:51 <^cheeky> no i was able to Sep 24 07:38:17 <^cheeky> coz .. in the getView of the adapter i load my images from flicker into the list view Sep 24 07:38:53 <^cheeky> so implemented the view pattern and it worked, i am trying to get always reduce heap size .. Sep 24 07:39:26 <^cheeky> right now after downloading 300 images into the list view my heap has grown to be 13.799 MB Sep 24 07:39:47 <^cheeky> i dunno if thats good .. or bad :/ Sep 24 07:39:49 <^cheeky> :( Sep 24 07:40:00 14mb? Sep 24 07:40:08 i guess it is good Sep 24 07:40:41 <^cheeky> really ??? Sep 24 07:41:09 300 imgs are a lot of downloads. how much size is each pic? Sep 24 07:41:37 <^cheeky> i didnt check i could get it to spit it out after decoding it Sep 24 07:42:07 <^cheeky> and scrolling back up .. the heap went back down to 13.88 mb Sep 24 07:42:29 i guess you could do something to lower it by triggering the gc someway, but I would expect that size Sep 24 07:42:46 <^cheeky> you can call the Gc ? Sep 24 07:43:13 <^cheeky> the next one i am gonna try , is using a weak reference to the image view where i load it into Sep 24 07:43:23 well not directly, but there are patterns for which the gc knows want to be running Sep 24 07:43:25 <^cheeky> during the async doInbackground Sep 24 07:43:32 <^cheeky> oh nice Sep 24 07:43:34 like having objects without a reference Sep 24 07:43:54 nulling your references does the trick a lot of times Sep 24 07:44:24 <^cheeky> nulling them .. like on top of the fragment before initializing it /? Sep 24 07:45:33 when you are done using the heavy object. if you have an input stream is good to call close() and then null it. the null part is what i do to trick the gc Sep 24 07:46:25 <^cheeky> in my close huh .. nice ill first do sall changes and see how it goes Sep 24 07:46:38 <^cheeky> OMG i a soo excited i hope it works !!!!!1 Sep 24 07:46:45 <^cheeky> *i am Sep 24 07:46:49 :) Sep 24 07:46:59 Hey all Sep 24 07:49:02 guys, anyone using In App Billing and experiencing problems verifying signature for some (not all) transactions? Sep 24 08:30:38 I'm sure Google had some really intelligent reason for making android.R.string.yes/no the same as android.R.string.ok/cancel, but I cannot for the life of me imagine what it would be. Sep 24 08:32:07 I'm just starting out on android development. Going through the android training stuff. Are there any other good resources / lists ? Sep 24 08:32:22 lol? Nilium really? Sep 24 08:32:29 never tried yes and no xd Sep 24 08:32:32 I will smack you. Sep 24 08:32:39 (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Sep 24 08:33:15 mediumscary: Don't know, but I suggest you get really friendly with the documentation. And the Android source code. You're going to be spending a lot of time reading both. Sep 24 08:34:36 yes, that's the plan :) Sep 24 08:40:18 ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ) Sep 24 08:41:33 Nilium: Yeah, that was kinda painful to find out with yes/ok... Sep 24 08:42:13 I have this weird feeling like I already knew about it and forgot and just got annoyed for the second time. Sep 24 08:42:49 You are addicted to anger and adrenaline. Sep 24 09:02:51 cd #gimp Sep 24 09:03:02 too much linux Sep 24 09:07:13 for anybody interested, the problem was the cache layer of volley Sep 24 09:08:01 linux 4 the win xd Sep 24 09:09:35 4 the win xp lol Sep 24 09:51:23 hello to all, I have downloaded the android source. After setting up the env and build correctly the entire project I have imported the sources in Eclipse. This last one give me few errors in imports such as on com.android.timezonepicker.TimeZoneInfo there is anything wrong in my configuration in Eclipse? Sep 24 09:54:01 stefanosaladino: are you trying to build AOSP? Sep 24 09:54:17 Yes sorry for omitting it Sep 24 09:55:39 Ankwatcher Sep 24 09:57:26 Ankhwatcher :P Sep 24 09:58:05 does it make sense to use datepicker for multiselection (of dates of course)? Sep 24 09:58:32 or better use 3 listviews (day,month,year) Sep 24 09:59:32 No i'm only trying to import correctly the AOSP with all its dependencies Sep 24 09:59:59 it was only an example there are many import broken Sep 24 10:00:04 app inventor for noobs help here? I'm on iceweasel (squeeze) and opening the blocks editor seems to work but does not connect with my project (helloPurr). Sep 24 10:00:40 Java shows the official logo, and I've turned off ABE in noscript Sep 24 10:02:17 my java is sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin Sep 24 10:02:58 Your APK cannot be analyzed using 'aapt dump badging'. Error output:Failed to run aapt dump badging: ERROR: dump failed because no AndroidManifest.xml found Sep 24 10:03:32 someone is trying to upload the apk i signed and sent them to market but they keep getting that error Sep 24 10:04:01 what should i do? Sep 24 10:14:19 hey i need some advice. im uploading photos from gallery to a RESTful service by encoding/converting the photos to base64. but sometimes, the images are half uploaded and portions of the photos is gray. any solution to this? is it common? Sep 24 10:21:03 omid8bimo: a wild guess is that the encoding and decoding functions are using different base64 variants. Sep 24 10:22:03 omid8bimo: such as one is using an URL-safe variant, while the other is using the standard encoding used by email Sep 24 10:23:28 if available, a base32 may work as there is only one common scheme Sep 24 10:23:41 jimcooncat: no no, dont get me wrong. it works. most of the time the uploaded photos shown ok on the site, but something its like connection was lost during post and half of the image (better to say its base64 string) was sent to the server Sep 24 10:24:51 omid8bimo: which might happen if the server is expecting URL-safe characters and drops characters outside that range Sep 24 10:25:49 jimcooncat: im not familiar with url-safe characters. let me read on that Sep 24 10:26:12 omid8bimo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64 Sep 24 10:31:36 aside from that, i was wondering if there are better ways to upload an image to a RESTful service other than base64? Sep 24 10:37:10 I figured how to get the java console to appear, the only glitch I see is "systemId is file:///home/jim/ignore_lang_def.dtd publicId is null". Do you think that is why it won't connect to my project? Sep 24 10:50:02 omid8bimo: base64 overhead is 30 percent. but still if you find any other way, let me know Sep 24 10:54:59 neuro_sys: im reading this stackoverflow link thats used MultipartEntity. i have no idea what is that Sep 24 11:03:17 I asked this earlier, but has anyone here been able to use Holoeverywhere? Sep 24 11:03:42 Or are there other alternatives for having the same theme across versions down to 2.x Sep 24 11:04:51 can i set an EditText's font in xml or do i have to do it in code? Sep 24 11:19:10 <^cheeky> strange... my heap doesnt grow as much if ... i actually run it on an actual device Sep 24 11:20:23 <^cheeky> sheesh using the .. view holder pattern ... increased my list view scrolling++ Sep 24 11:22:29 neuro_sys: http://android-holo-colors.com/ Sep 24 11:22:49 http://jgilfelt.github.io/android-actionbarstylegenerator/ Sep 24 11:25:06 kakazza: you're amazing Sep 24 11:25:08 thanks Sep 24 11:25:25 <^cheeky> ok .. this might be stupid , coz i know that gallery apps obviously should use gridView, but i have used a listView .. coz i wanted to learn about it, but in the same app i want to use a gridView as well . so i want to have the user choose between the two layouts, so i was thinking i could use the action bar to let the user, choose between the two, so what would be a good icon or .. a spinner ... would be good item to place in the ac Sep 24 11:29:34 ^cheeky: the three vertical dots open the menu for those options ? Sep 24 11:29:51 <^cheeky> overflow thingy yeah ? Sep 24 11:30:00 use that Sep 24 11:30:18 <^cheeky> thanks man Sep 24 11:30:32 <^cheeky> coz no other item would fit, Sep 24 11:30:36 <^cheeky> at least i know off Sep 24 12:21:38 ok so now I implemented a runnable thread to keep track of when MediaController.isShowing() is false to hide the soft menubar , but how can I avoid running a thread and directly detect when isShowing becomes false ? Sep 24 12:22:00 like a callback when MediaController goes away, I guess I just override the isShowing somehow ? Sep 24 12:25:14 oh ok I override the hide method :) Sep 24 12:25:22 <^cheeky> soft menu_bar, so you want to remove the menu Sep 24 12:25:46 yeah for displaying true fullscreen video when the user turns the device to landscape Sep 24 12:26:00 does asynctask create a new thread for every task? Sep 24 12:28:06 After some time working with the emulator it starts to swap a lot to the poing my 2GB swap partition gets full. Sep 24 12:28:16 Does someone have the same problem? Sep 24 12:28:55 I'm not executing anything so memory consuming in the emulatorç Sep 24 12:29:16 my pc has 4GB ram, the emulator is set to use 1GB Sep 24 12:31:33 its just closing the emulator and the swap drops from 95 or 99 to 35 or so Sep 24 12:31:47 those are percents Sep 24 12:33:38 DwordKnight: what else do you have running? o.O Sep 24 12:34:31 with eclipse Sep 24 12:35:58 but it should be some problem with the config of the emu to be using so much ram, or something related to it, i don't know Sep 24 12:36:24 nothing releases the swap until i close the emulator, so the problem has to be around it Sep 24 12:39:15 also there is a problem with the apps that comes with it, the ExchangeService is constantly spamming the logcat with exceptions Sep 24 12:39:45 although i dont think that could be causing to fill my swap Sep 24 12:39:56 or could it be? Sep 24 12:43:32 I've disabled the service, let see Sep 24 13:01:30 Is there a way to structure a project so different devs can work on it in the IDE of their choice? From my understanding eclipse and android studio aren't exactly compatible with each other Sep 24 13:07:45 let the developer import it by hand Sep 24 13:10:10 hey everyone, I have an edittext that i'm setting the input type to NumberDecimal. If i'm using a local that uses a "," instead of a "." I can't enter a the "," , is there any way around this? Sep 24 13:10:25 local = locale Sep 24 13:15:54 get a keyboard that does the right thing Sep 24 13:16:43