**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 22 02:59:58 2013
Oct 22 03:06:07 <nubish> i finally got a word processor on my desktop
Oct 22 03:06:22 <nubish> Open office :P
Oct 22 03:09:12 <combatwombat> Sorry, internet went down at the house, tethering off phone now
Oct 22 03:10:17 <combatwombat> http://imgur.com/a/DjNxX
Oct 22 03:10:26 <combatwombat> seand:
Oct 22 03:10:42 <seand> combatwombat: have you never heard of a pastebin
Oct 22 03:11:00 <combatwombat> Sorry, derpy crap atm, yes of course I have.
Oct 22 03:11:12 <seand> where is View defined?
Oct 22 03:11:46 <combatwombat> seand: that is what I was asking earlier, should I be using a different method right there?
Oct 22 03:11:56 <seand> no that's the method you should use, but it's not static
Oct 22 03:12:02 <nubish> lol imgur image
Oct 22 03:12:16 <combatwombat> I guess the tut I'm watching is a bit too old :(
Oct 22 03:12:32 <seand> findViewById is on Activity
Oct 22 03:12:46 <seand> well not technically but it's available in Activity
Oct 22 03:13:41 <combatwombat> regardless of that fact. R.id. does now show bAdd or bSub as available
Oct 22 03:13:48 <nubish> combatwombat, you dont need to specify View seeing as how you imported the View library
Oct 22 03:14:47 <seand> nubish, the fuck are you talking about
Oct 22 03:15:15 <nubish> seand, he wrote View.findViewById(resource identifier)
Oct 22 03:15:26 <combatwombat> nubish: regardless of View. Activity. or anything else. R.id.bAdd and R.id.bSub doesn't do squat.
Oct 22 03:15:29 <nubish> he imported View, so im saying he doesnt need to include the class View
Oct 22 03:15:32 <combatwombat> It doesn't recognize them.
Oct 22 03:15:39 <nubish> alright im sorry im sorry ;_
Oct 22 03:15:40 <nubish> ;
Oct 22 03:15:50 <nubish> yeah i see it combat
Oct 22 03:15:50 <nubish> umm
Oct 22 03:15:55 <seand> nubish, that's never valid code
Oct 22 03:16:00 <nubish> it IS R.id. right?
Oct 22 03:17:22 <nubish> really seand?
Oct 22 03:17:25 <nubish> im checking over my code
Oct 22 03:17:27 <seand> combatwombat: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3229091/eclipse-not-recognizing-r-id-with-android/14631151#14631151
Oct 22 03:17:52 <seand> or really the entire set of answers, not that answer in particular
Oct 22 03:17:53 <nubish> yeah it has to do with the manifest
Oct 22 03:17:56 <nubish> perhaps
Oct 22 03:18:04 <seand> combatwombat: also never listen to nubish
Oct 22 03:18:04 <nubish> its not generating the generated R code
Oct 22 03:18:22 <nubish> listen to me ys
Oct 22 03:18:26 <nubish> i have good answers sometimes
Oct 22 03:18:29 <nubish> SOMETIMES
Oct 22 03:19:08 <combatwombat> Cannot make a static reference to the non-static method findViewById(int) from the type View
Oct 22 03:19:18 <combatwombat> but it did find bAdd and bSub
Oct 22 03:20:09 <seand> combatwombat do you not have a lot of experience with java?
Oct 22 03:20:45 <nubish> i was wrong
Oct 22 03:20:48 <nubish> sorry
Oct 22 03:20:55 <combatwombat> More like I'm not familiar with the android sdk, but I wouldn't say I am a professional in java no.
Oct 22 03:21:30 <nubish> could it be because you declared the variables outside of onCreate()?
Oct 22 03:22:03 <seand> combatwombat: did you fix the static issue?
Oct 22 03:24:26 <nubish> no thats not it
Oct 22 03:24:32 <nubish> disregard what i said
Oct 22 03:26:03 <seand> nubish i think he's got it
Oct 22 03:26:08 <combatwombat> nope
Oct 22 03:26:18 <nubish> hey seand im look at the book and its assigning the resource identifier of a Button to the Button variable through findViewById without calling View
Oct 22 03:26:23 <combatwombat> phone internet is creeping
Oct 22 03:26:32 <seand> okay, then let me explain what static and non-static methods are
Oct 22 03:26:34 <nubish> combat are you using eclipse?
Oct 22 03:26:41 <combatwombat> yep
Oct 22 03:26:45 <nubish> but its showing right here seand
Oct 22 03:26:50 <nubish> i know what they are
Oct 22 03:26:55 <seand> stfu nubish
Oct 22 03:27:03 <nubish> seand its right here!
Oct 22 03:27:17 <seand> static methods are accessible without an instance (ie without doing View view = new View())
Oct 22 03:27:28 <seand> so they can be accessed like: View.method()
Oct 22 03:27:46 <seand> non-static methods require an instance, so you have to construct it using the new keyword and then call it
Oct 22 03:27:59 <combatwombat> seand: I'm trying to decide how. The tutorial used add = (Button) findViewById(R.id.bAdd);
Oct 22 03:28:15 <seand> combatwombat: pay attention
Oct 22 03:28:17 <combatwombat> Sorry, was typing that before I read yours.
Oct 22 03:28:20 <seand> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#findViewById%28int%29
Oct 22 03:28:33 <seand> the findViewById() method is on Activity as a non-static method
Oct 22 03:28:36 <nubish> combatwombat press SHIFT+CTRL+O
Oct 22 03:28:49 <nubish> in eclipse
Oct 22 03:28:50 <seand> onCreate is a non-static method, so you can call this.findViewById(...)
Oct 22 03:29:08 <seand> but the this is not required, which is why every example just shows findViewById(...)
Oct 22 03:29:53 <seand> does that make sense?
Oct 22 03:30:33 <combatwombat> nubish: doesn't work on a mac... just prints 0...   seand: so why didn't they do a View view = new View() or Activity activity = new Activity()   then?
Oct 22 03:30:58 <seand> combatwombat: onCreate is called on an Activity instance, so it is a static method
Oct 22 03:31:10 <seand> sorry, it is a non-static method
Oct 22 03:31:20 <seand> so you can call other non-static methods also on Activity within it
Oct 22 03:31:25 <seand> findViewById() being one of them
Oct 22 03:31:33 <combatwombat> What you are saying does make sense though yes. I'm just trying to figure out why his code is magic and works :P
Oct 22 03:31:59 <seand> combatwombat: maybe you should look at a java tutorial before jumping into android programming
Oct 22 03:32:25 <combatwombat> alrighty, I see that I can call non-static inside of non-static methods, I'm aware of this, I'm just hung up over why mine differentiates from the tut.
Oct 22 03:33:02 <nubish> combatwombat hold on im going to try this code on my eclipse
Oct 22 03:33:02 <gavilan2> Hello! How to add animations to an Expandable List View? Is it possible to animate the child indicators?
Oct 22 03:33:06 <nubish> brb
Oct 22 03:33:15 <seand> View.findViewById implies the method is static. but it is non-static, so it cannot be called this way
Oct 22 03:33:17 <combatwombat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKXnQ83RU3I&list=SP2F07DBCDCC01493A
Oct 22 03:33:37 <nubish> gavilian check this out https://developer.android.com/training/custom-views/making-interactive.html#makesmooth
Oct 22 03:33:38 <combatwombat> seand: yes I understand so removing it makes it non-static
Oct 22 03:33:44 <nubish> last section talks of property animators
Oct 22 03:34:46 <nubish> hey combatwombat import android.content.Context
Oct 22 03:35:11 <gavilan2> nubish: I work with SDK 7, and how can I animate the child indicators that way?
Oct 22 03:35:31 <nubish> SDK 7? what do you mean?
Oct 22 03:35:56 <ashooby> api level 7?
Oct 22 03:36:03 <nubish> java sdk 7?
Oct 22 03:36:07 <Leeds> if you mean API7... why, oh, why, oh why?
Oct 22 03:36:26 <nubish> combatwombat did you import android.content.Context?
Oct 22 03:37:05 <combatwombat> nubish: seand: here is the code as it stands. http://pastebin.com/zc2dBf8t   Why would I want to import that? Again. I'm not saying you are wrong just not seeing where this lines up with the tutorial, (That is the youtube vid I linked btw.)
Oct 22 03:37:34 <seand> looks fine combatwombat, what's the issue
Oct 22 03:37:36 <nubish> alright im gonna try this out
Oct 22 03:38:17 <combatwombat> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5f3d5c8bb4ae271f0208
Oct 22 03:38:48 <combatwombat> nubish: importing that only alerts me to it not being used...
Oct 22 03:38:58 <seand> are you sure you saved and recompiled
Oct 22 03:39:33 <nubish> okay
Oct 22 03:39:59 <combatwombat> seand: .... fml.... why does eclipse keep its errors until you save? Very different than VS C#
Oct 22 03:40:16 <combatwombat> As when I save it, it works
Oct 22 03:40:50 <nubish> so it works?
Oct 22 03:41:04 <seand> every IDE is different. in intellij you don't even get an asterisk indicating the file has changed, so i'm never sure if ctrl+s actually does anything or if it just saves automatically
Oct 22 03:41:14 <nubish> see findviewbyId without  including the class works
Oct 22 03:41:30 <seand> nubish including the class doesn't work
Oct 22 03:41:43 <combatwombat> and you can remove the import of view.View
Oct 22 03:41:50 <nubish> yeah
Oct 22 03:41:52 <seand> and it will never work
Oct 22 03:42:04 <nubish> ?
Oct 22 03:42:11 <gavilan2> ashooby: Yes, Android 2.1
Oct 22 03:42:23 <nubish> it does work without View
Oct 22 03:42:28 <nubish> the class that is
Oct 22 03:42:30 <gavilan2> ashooby: Because 5% of my users use 2.1
Oct 22 03:42:35 <seand> gavilan2 why the hell are you working with 2.1
Oct 22 03:42:41 <seand> then fuck 5% of your users
Oct 22 03:42:47 <ashooby> ^
Oct 22 03:42:48 <gavilan2> seand: Life doesn't work that way :)
Oct 22 03:42:56 <seand> gavilan2 did they pay for the app?
Oct 22 03:43:10 <gavilan2> seand: it doesn't matter, but the more users, the merrier....
Oct 22 03:43:11 <nubish> how are you able to use 2.1?
Oct 22 03:43:36 <gavilan2> nubish: Still, how to animate the child indicators or dividers ?
Oct 22 03:43:38 <gavilan2> is that possible?
Oct 22 03:43:38 <ashooby> if you, the creator, says life is so then it will be so
Oct 22 03:43:48 <nubish> i dont know what you mean by child indicators
Oct 22 03:43:51 <seand> gavilan2 i bet you would bring in more people if you upgraded the min sdk. lots of people prefer holo apps
Oct 22 03:43:56 <gavilan2> nubish: the line that separates two children
Oct 22 03:44:06 <gavilan2> seand: what's a holo app?
Oct 22 03:44:18 <seand> holo? it's the new theme starting with ICS
Oct 22 03:44:24 <gavilan2> seand: When I can do a big improvement using a new SDK, I do it with conditional code...
Oct 22 03:44:24 <nubish> theme
Oct 22 03:44:30 <seand> or whenver it started, don't remember
Oct 22 03:44:35 <gavilan2> seand: But I try to make most of the app work on 2.1
Oct 22 03:44:50 <gavilan2> I target API 17
Oct 22 03:44:57 <seand> gavilan2: link?
Oct 22 03:45:07 <gavilan2> seand: can not do :(
Oct 22 03:45:13 <seand> it's not on the play store?
Oct 22 03:46:00 <gavilan2> seand: If I tell you which app I work in, then I can't ask you questions any more due to confidentiality stuff....
Oct 22 03:46:33 <seand> oh
Oct 22 03:46:39 <gavilan2> :( life is sad
Oct 22 03:46:53 <seand> so you do professional android dev?
Oct 22 03:46:59 <seand> and work for a company?
Oct 22 03:48:07 <nubish> hey gav check this out http://mylifewithandroid.blogspot.com/2011/06/hiding-group-indicator-for-empty-groups.html
Oct 22 03:48:45 <nubish> you can also make the child indicator into a drawable
Oct 22 03:49:12 <nubish> which means you can do gradient drawables and composite drawables to make an animation
Oct 22 03:50:12 <gavilan2> seand: "professional", but yes...
Oct 22 03:50:50 <seand> i know how it is then
Oct 22 03:50:59 <seand> in my job we have to support clients who still use IE 7
Oct 22 03:50:59 <combatwombat> gavilan2: whats with the quotes?
Oct 22 03:51:12 <gavilan2> nubish: by animation I mean slide in the contents of the group form the top... Can I make the child indicator slide from the top with that composite drawable thing?
Oct 22 03:51:21 <combatwombat> seand: eck.. Yeah We have crap like ff 15 required etc.
Oct 22 03:51:29 <gavilan2> combatwombat: android is not my strong suit :)
Oct 22 03:51:40 <nubish> we're all learners here gav
Oct 22 03:51:47 <nubish> except for seand, he knows everything
Oct 22 03:52:10 <seand> nubish: is it that i know everything, or you know practically nothing
Oct 22 03:52:16 <nubish> i dont understand that gavilian
Oct 22 03:52:28 <nubish> oh no seand its that you know everything
Oct 22 03:52:31 <nubish> sincerely
Oct 22 03:54:04 <nubish> gavilian, you'd most likely need to use drawables so read up on drawables
Oct 22 03:55:15 <gavilan2> nubish: when you click on a group, the child appear... I want the child to appear from the top... so Y=-100% to Y=0 or something like that...   the problem is that moving the children don't move the child indicators
Oct 22 03:56:17 <nubish> zero is top-left corner or lower-right corner again
Oct 22 03:56:21 <nubish> ?
Oct 22 03:56:43 <gavilan2> I'm assuimg it's the bottom
Oct 22 03:58:49 <gavilan2> another question, in a state drawable, is it possible to make the images fade in and out when they change?
Oct 22 03:59:01 <nubish> okay so you're presented an activity with several groups, and when you click on a group, that opens a new view where the contents(children) of that group approach the screen from the top flowing to the center of the screen
Oct 22 03:59:17 <nubish> and you want the child indicator to follow those children
Oct 22 04:00:25 <gavilan2> nubish: yes, something like that... it doesn't open a new view, it inflates a layout, and adds it there in the middle under the group....
Oct 22 04:01:24 <nubish> i think what you want can be acheived through composite drawables
Oct 22 04:01:35 <nubish> definitely read up on composite drawables gavilan
Oct 22 04:01:58 <Maziz> hi all
Oct 22 04:02:18 <nubish> hi Maziz
Oct 22 04:02:47 <gavilan2> nubish: ok, I'll read that! thanks
Oct 22 04:03:13 <nubish> composite drawables give life to Drawables gavilan so thats what you need
Oct 22 04:03:21 <Maziz> Anybody knows how to retrieve child view that are not visible in grid view?
Oct 22 04:04:11 <Maziz> Im trying to put animation when changing grid view column. So for instance you change a the number of columns from more to less i need to animated that invisible child view and put into place
Oct 22 04:09:15 <gavilan2> nubish: thanks
Oct 22 04:11:15 <nubish> how do you alert someone in chat with red ink?
Oct 22 04:11:26 <seand> say their name
Oct 22 04:11:40 <seand> nubish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQgd6MccwZc
Oct 22 04:11:42 <nubish> gavilan2 sure
Oct 22 04:12:14 <nubish> destiny child and TLC :P
Oct 22 04:12:19 <seand> omg beyonce
Oct 22 04:12:56 <alex_PP> ha!
Oct 22 04:13:39 <gavilan2> is it possible to make a progress bar with a drawable? a rotate drawable that changes the angle based on the time?
Oct 22 04:13:39 <alex_PP> nubish, also, most irc clients will auto complete a name if you type the first few characters and press tab
Oct 22 04:13:42 <gavilan2> you can define
Oct 22 04:13:58 <gavilan2> you can define "discrete" steps with animation drawable... but is there any wayh to define "continuos" steps?
Oct 22 04:13:59 <nubish> alex_PP wicked
Oct 22 04:14:56 <nubish> yes you can gavilan
Oct 22 04:14:57 <Maziz> hmm
Oct 22 04:15:15 <nubish> Maziz you should stick around
Oct 22 04:15:22 <Maziz> yeah i will
Oct 22 04:15:29 <Maziz> im still looking the answers too
Oct 22 04:15:29 <nubish> maybe someone will come in and assist you
Oct 22 04:15:36 <nubish> im looking online as well
Oct 22 04:15:43 <Maziz> thanks
Oct 22 04:18:02 <seand> nubish are you working on any apps
Oct 22 04:19:17 <nubish> seand im still studying this Android dev book and looking at several code for a better understanding of how things are tied
Oct 22 04:19:31 <nubish> seand I do plan on writing an app next month
Oct 22 04:20:15 <seand> nubish: you already have an idea in mind?
Oct 22 04:24:04 <gavilan2> nubish: How do you do it?
Oct 22 04:24:32 <alex_PP> Maziz, you can create your own drawable that extends Drawable and override the draw method
Oct 22 04:25:04 <alex_PP> then you can have whatever parameters you want to change the state of the drawing
Oct 22 04:25:06 <nubish> seand most definitely a game
Oct 22 04:25:09 <Maziz> so that means the removed child view from the screen will be kept as drawable
Oct 22 04:25:13 <nubish> gavilan2 im looking it up hold on
Oct 22 04:25:23 <alex_PP> sadly you can't use your custom Drawables in xml
Oct 22 04:26:29 <nubish> its so freaking cold in my room right now
Oct 22 04:26:49 <nubish> parents are trying to cut back on bills
Oct 22 04:26:56 <nubish> ill most likely die of frostbite
Oct 22 04:27:14 <alex_PP> Maziz, ?
Oct 22 04:27:23 <Maziz> yeah
Oct 22 04:27:25 <Maziz> im thinking
Oct 22 04:27:27 <nubish> lol
Oct 22 04:28:05 <JimmyCarter> i crushed the walmart test out of the park
Oct 22 04:28:13 <JimmyCarter> my app is meta-distributable
Oct 22 04:28:21 <nubish> really jimmy?
Oct 22 04:28:24 <nubish> thats awesome
Oct 22 04:28:29 <nubish> congrats
Oct 22 04:28:32 <nubish> what walmart test
Oct 22 04:28:51 <JimmyCarter> buy cheapest android tablet at walmart and achieve 30+ fps
Oct 22 04:29:00 <nubish> nice
Oct 22 04:29:05 <nubish> what was the cheapest?
Oct 22 04:29:08 <nubish> nexus 7?
Oct 22 04:29:22 <JimmyCarter> samsung galaxy tab 3 7"
Oct 22 04:29:52 <JimmyCarter> nexus7 is way better, but i already have one
Oct 22 04:29:57 <Maziz> alex_PP: But this will create another issue. For example this case: 1. User change the column from 4 -> 2. Animate the changes (scaling and translation) Any child view that translated outside of the screen will be saved as drawable. Then after user change the num of columns and scroll and change the number of columns again to 4, you only kept the drawables of previous visible child views
Oct 22 04:30:16 <nubish> ill keep that in mind Jimmy
Oct 22 04:30:34 <Maziz> so... you dont have the drawable to animate back to 4 columns
Oct 22 04:30:49 <Maziz> because now the visible child is different
Oct 22 04:30:57 <Maziz> i mean visible position
Oct 22 04:31:42 <nubish> i dont get this whole row and column thing seeing as how it seemed different than average column and row tables in real world applications
Oct 22 04:31:56 <nubish> column in the context of android still means vertical row right?
Oct 22 04:32:52 <Maziz> yeah
Oct 22 04:32:54 <harpal> I have MainActivy class which have a method public void setTextValue(Float value) from JNI c file I am calling the method but it throws exception. I am getting NoSuchMethod error.
Oct 22 04:32:58 <Maziz> vertical row
Oct 22 04:33:04 <nubish> okay good
Oct 22 04:34:35 <Maziz> hmm another workaround
Oct 22 04:34:36 <Maziz> i think
Oct 22 04:34:42 <Maziz> i animate
Oct 22 04:35:00 <Maziz> then overide pre-draw listeneer
Oct 22 04:35:07 <Maziz> get the view then
Oct 22 04:35:17 <Maziz> then finish predraw
Oct 22 04:35:23 <Maziz> finish the animation
Oct 22 04:35:36 <Maziz> and requestLayoutAgain only this time allow predraw to pass through
Oct 22 04:36:30 <Maziz> hmm
Oct 22 04:36:35 <Maziz> i guess woudnt work still
Oct 22 04:36:53 <nubish> gavilan2 you still here
Oct 22 04:36:54 <nubish> ?
Oct 22 04:37:41 <JimmyCarter> hmmm maybe an intent activity intent activity oroboros with random vector exits (lol i dont kno what eyem doing)
Oct 22 04:38:05 <nubish> lol i need to re-read some of these chapters
Oct 22 04:38:49 <Nilium> I see JimmyCarter is trying to raise the dead.
Oct 22 04:39:37 <nubish> lo
Oct 22 04:39:37 <nubish> l
Oct 22 04:42:59 <hdon> hi all :) i'm trying to use the Android Developer Tools plugins. i require a dependency, org.eclipse.wst.sse.core. i searched around for a resolution. some people say this is supposed to be a provided by another plugin. can anyone tell me where to find it?
Oct 22 04:44:57 <hdon> ah, nvm, i think i figured it out
Oct 22 04:46:26 <nubish> check this out incase you havent hdon, solution #7 is the one ppl say works https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=60149
Oct 22 04:46:55 <hdon> nubish, i did. i just didn't understand the instructions the first time. whoops.
Oct 22 04:46:58 <hdon> thanks nubish
Oct 22 04:47:03 <nubish> k
Oct 22 04:49:37 <Maziz> nubish are you still studying?
Oct 22 04:49:40 <Maziz> or working?
Oct 22 04:49:50 <nubish> Maziz yes
Oct 22 04:50:00 <nubish> ask if you have a question, i have a book here in front of me
Oct 22 04:50:03 <nubish> i might be able to find it
Oct 22 04:50:19 <nubish> its a great book too, i can recommend it if you let me
Oct 22 04:52:05 <Nilium> And just today I find out that JetBrains accidentally pushed a broken version of the Scala plugin and I hadn't noticed it 'til now. Odd.
Oct 22 04:52:38 <Maziz> owh whats the title and author?
Oct 22 04:53:12 <nubish> Nilium i laughed upon accessing the website and reading World's Leading Vendor of Professional Development Tools :P
Oct 22 04:53:21 * Nilium has only books on the Great Depression in front of him.
Oct 22 04:53:32 <Nilium> Shit happens, but still odd.
Oct 22 04:53:42 <Nilium> The upside is that uninstalling and reinstalling the plugin fixed it.
Oct 22 04:54:15 <Maziz> you using intellij ultimate Nilium
Oct 22 04:54:15 <Maziz> ?
Oct 22 04:54:22 <Nilium> Yes.
Oct 22 04:54:32 <nubish> They most likely fixed it through an update Nilium, OBVIOUSY right
Oct 22 04:54:32 <Maziz> worth the investment?
Oct 22 04:54:54 <nubish> Maziz http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Android-4-Application-Development/dp/1118102274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382417630&sr=8-1&keywords=professional+android+4+application+development
Oct 22 04:54:57 <nubish> dat link
Oct 22 04:54:57 <Maziz> im using community ver. but really interested to get ultimate
Oct 22 04:55:01 <Nilium> I think it is, but you should look at what you get out of the ultimate edition vs. the community edition to decide for yourself.
Oct 22 04:55:12 <Maziz> nubish: ah that. got that :) thanks.
Oct 22 04:55:24 <nubish> you have it already?
Oct 22 04:55:38 <Maziz> Nilium: besides the plugins, there sql support and umls
Oct 22 04:55:40 <Maziz> nifty
Oct 22 04:55:52 <Nilium> I personally couldn't give a single crap about UML
Oct 22 04:56:01 <Maziz> lol
Oct 22 04:56:03 <Nilium> And I thought the SQL stuff was also in the community edition?
Oct 22 04:56:09 <Maziz> nope
Oct 22 04:56:25 <Maziz> umls pretty handy for documentation lol
Oct 22 04:56:30 <Nilium> Weird. I guess I get to take that for granted.
Oct 22 04:56:58 <Nilium> I'm not sure how many plugins are limited to the ultimate edition, but my understanding was that there was no limits on them
Oct 22 04:57:16 <Nilium> s/was/were/
Oct 22 04:57:57 <Maziz> community
Oct 22 04:58:01 <Maziz> just android and java
Oct 22 04:58:03 <Maziz> ultimate
Oct 22 04:58:12 <Maziz> i think python, javascripts,
Oct 22 04:58:19 <Maziz> scala, play framework
Oct 22 04:58:23 <Maziz> and other stuff
Oct 22 04:58:31 <Nilium> The Scala plugin should work in the community edition
Oct 22 04:58:34 <Maziz> all language /framework with one IDE
Oct 22 04:58:42 <Maziz> oh they do?
Oct 22 04:58:56 <Nilium> Go look at your plugins list and click the 'install from jetbrains' button
Oct 22 04:59:06 <Maziz> nubish: yup had it already
Oct 22 04:59:12 <Nilium> As far as I know, you'll get the exact same list I do
Oct 22 04:59:34 <nubish> Maziz coolnes
Oct 22 05:01:05 <Nilium> The upside of Ultimate Edition is probably mainly code coverage, database tools, I guess the SQL stuff though I'm not sure since I've never bothered writing standalone SQL files (it's a weird idea to me), and the support you get by having a license
Oct 22 05:03:49 <Maziz> brb
Oct 22 05:04:05 <Maziz> i see
Oct 22 05:08:50 <nubish> i saw carrie last night
Oct 22 05:08:57 <nubish> the new one that came out
Oct 22 05:09:00 <nubish> it was pretty good
Oct 22 05:09:03 <nubish> better than expected
Oct 22 05:14:08 <bankai_> http://pastebin.com/Av1Mfj0y someone take a look at this and tell me why my animations aren't happening in order. The last rotation is occuring first, then the first rotation, then the scale
Oct 22 05:28:39 <bankai_> oh, fixed it,  had to set android:fillEnabled="true" and android:fillBefore="false" :) thanks bankai_ ! hehe
Oct 22 05:30:08 <nubish> you just thanked yourself :D
Oct 22 05:31:53 <jak2000> wich is the control for display some values (a listbox, or dropdown)
Oct 22 05:33:46 <nubish> for a drop down list, you use Spinner class
Oct 22 05:33:51 <nubish> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/controls/spinner.html
Oct 22 05:34:53 <nubish> then use a SpinnerAdapter to populate the list with items
Oct 22 06:23:49 <smartall> Who can make me app ?
Oct 22 06:23:55 <smartall> I can pay
Oct 22 06:29:02 <smartall> Some one here can make me app ? I pay for that
Oct 22 06:36:39 <otiose> lololol
Oct 22 06:36:49 <otiose> what do you want to make, and how much are you paying
Oct 22 06:37:20 <smartall> I need an app example
Oct 22 06:37:35 <smartall> You press only 1 bottom
Oct 22 06:37:41 <Leeds> okay, just because we've been through it on #android
Oct 22 06:38:03 <smartall> And automatically make videocall on skype
Oct 22 06:38:13 <Leeds> he wants an app which just launches a skype video chat... his English ain't great, he started by offering $30, then upped to $100 when pushed
Oct 22 06:38:15 <smartall> When press botom take a picture
Oct 22 06:38:29 <Leeds> he didn't say anything about taking pictures before
Oct 22 06:38:50 <smartall> I pay from 100 to 500
Oct 22 06:39:07 <Zharf> really? why?
Oct 22 06:39:11 <Zharf> -.-
Oct 22 06:39:13 <smartall> Leed if you not help me leave i explaint my idea
Oct 22 06:39:29 <Leeds> smartall: I would happily help you leave, but I can't do that anymore
Oct 22 06:39:40 <Zharf> :)
Oct 22 06:40:12 <otiose> well, i dont know what you want, but 100 to 500 has gotta be something suuuuper basic with little to no functionality
Oct 22 06:40:20 <otiose> or liability
Oct 22 06:41:08 <smartall> I just want app with 2 actions
Oct 22 06:41:24 <Zharf> but why
Oct 22 06:41:27 <otiose> open skype and take a picture of it?
Oct 22 06:41:28 <smartall> Press botom tranfer videocall an take picture
Oct 22 06:41:37 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 06:41:51 <smartall> Enlace directly videocall
Oct 22 06:41:58 <smartall> To an number
Oct 22 06:42:02 <smartall> By skype
Oct 22 06:42:16 <smartall> And after finidh calle back to my app
Oct 22 06:42:54 <smartall> Understend ?
Oct 22 06:43:18 <Zharf> I don't understand what the point of this would be
Oct 22 06:44:00 <smartall> Ok the point is like childrens phone
Oct 22 06:44:16 <smartall> The kids not know the phone
Oct 22 06:44:48 <smartall> So kids press just a botom and tranfer call by skype
Oct 22 06:47:13 <otiose> well, i'm not the most proficient guy in Android, but im pretty sure you can only take pictures of other applications if the phone is rooted
Oct 22 06:47:37 <otiose> and sure, you have a children's phone, and he doesnt know phone numbers, so he just opens an app that then skypes some number
Oct 22 06:47:42 <otiose> but i still dont know why you need a picture
Oct 22 06:47:43 <Leeds> I would assume that taking a picture means a photo with the camera, but I could be wrong
Oct 22 06:47:51 <smartall> But need take picture when press the bottom and after make video call
Oct 22 06:48:19 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 06:48:34 <otiose> take a picture from the phone's camera...so a picture of the user, not of who is on skype
Oct 22 06:48:48 <smartall> From camera
Oct 22 06:49:00 <smartall> And after make the video call
Oct 22 06:49:15 <otiose> what is the picture for?
Oct 22 06:49:23 <smartall> By skype directly withot put numbber
Oct 22 06:49:50 <otiose> ?
Oct 22 06:49:55 <smartall> Just picture
Oct 22 06:50:06 <smartall> Action from app 1
Oct 22 06:50:22 <smartall> Take picture from camera when press bottom
Oct 22 06:50:42 <smartall> And after make videocall from save number by skype
Oct 22 06:51:15 <smartall> Understend ?
Oct 22 06:51:32 <otiose> i dont understand what you're doing with the picture
Oct 22 06:51:49 <otiose> you're 1. taking a picture 2. calling a saved number from skype
Oct 22 06:51:54 <smartall> The picture save in the phone
Oct 22 06:52:04 <smartall> By if stolen phone
Oct 22 06:52:14 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 06:52:24 <smartall> This i want
Oct 22 06:52:50 <otiose> so you save the picture on the phone...
Oct 22 06:52:58 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 06:53:02 <smartall> For security
Oct 22 06:53:11 <otiose> if the phone is stolen, the thief will delete the pictures
Oct 22 06:53:19 <Leeds> otiose: then if the phone is stolen, the thief has a picture of the person they stole it from
Oct 22 06:53:26 <Leeds> might make identity theft a bit easier
Oct 22 06:53:53 <smartall> Bot because the pictures i have directly dropbox
Oct 22 06:54:07 <otiose> well theres another added feature to the app
Oct 22 06:54:29 <smartall> Not understend broo
Oct 22 06:54:42 <smartall> My app i want is easy or not ?
Oct 22 06:54:44 <otiose> is this a personal app, or to be put in the store/
Oct 22 06:54:52 <Leeds> otiose: dropbox does auto-upload of photos
Oct 22 06:54:53 <smartall> Personal app
Oct 22 06:54:59 <otiose> oh nevermind then
Oct 22 06:55:13 <smartall> Yes i do
Oct 22 06:55:13 <otiose> it doesnt sound too difficult, just... i dont get why its necessary
Oct 22 06:55:26 <otiose> if the thief steals the phone, he's not going to use that app to make calls
Oct 22 06:55:29 <smartall> Just is personal app
Oct 22 06:55:31 <otiose> ooooh
Oct 22 06:55:41 <Leeds> smartall: I thought this was an app for your business?
Oct 22 06:55:48 <otiose> you use that phone (with the app on it) to call the stolen phone
Oct 22 06:55:53 <otiose> and then you get the picture of the thief
Oct 22 06:56:08 <otiose> err no
Oct 22 06:56:11 <otiose> maybe?
Oct 22 06:56:14 <smartall> Yes if i have this app i can sell
Oct 22 06:56:21 <smartall> With phones
Oct 22 06:56:24 <smartall> To childs
Oct 22 06:56:37 <otiose> if you want to sell it, then its no longer a personal app
Oct 22 06:56:38 <smartall> Understend ?
Oct 22 06:56:51 <smartall> Is like personal app bro
Oct 22 06:57:05 <smartall> Thats way say before in othwr channel
Oct 22 06:57:33 <smartall> But i give first examples
Oct 22 06:57:42 <smartall> Because i speak little english
Oct 22 06:57:52 <otiose> so you have phone A, with the app; it gets stolen; thief opens the app, takes his own picture, and sends it to your dropbox
Oct 22 06:57:55 <otiose> so then you know who stole it?
Oct 22 06:58:15 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 06:58:31 <otiose> and how do you make sure he opens it?
Oct 22 06:59:11 <smartall> Because this app will be the first screen
Oct 22 06:59:22 <otiose> how do you guarantee that?
Oct 22 06:59:46 <g00s> otiose easy you put a shortcut in bright yellow "My Bank Account"
Oct 22 06:59:55 <smartall> If developer do it 1000 porcent
Oct 22 07:00:08 <otiose> g00s: haha
Oct 22 07:00:09 <Leeds> otiose: I assume you're not dumb enough to actually want to write this app
Oct 22 07:00:26 <lemonxah> so the new version Android Studio you can access the SQLite db from the phone
Oct 22 07:00:32 <lemonxah> how exactly do you do this?
Oct 22 07:00:39 <g00s> lemonxah wut?
Oct 22 07:00:50 <lemonxah> in 0.3.0
Oct 22 07:00:52 <otiose> 100-500 to some guy on irc? thats generally not how i find clients
Oct 22 07:01:16 <Leeds> in which case you're stringing him along and wasting your time...
Oct 22 07:01:17 <g00s> lemonxah MotodevStudio had this; if using emu or sqlite file was on external storage
Oct 22 07:01:30 <g00s> do you have notes about it ?
Oct 22 07:01:36 <otiose> i was curious as to what he thought he could get for 500 on irc
Oct 22 07:02:04 <smartall> You not know make app?
Oct 22 07:02:05 <lemonxah> http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-67759
Oct 22 07:02:26 <lemonxah> maybe we are happy?
Oct 22 07:02:49 <lemonxah> maybe i am just misunderstanding
Oct 22 07:03:00 <leslie> lemonxah not an Android Studio feature
Oct 22 07:03:28 <Leeds> otiose: as I said, he originally said $30... then $100...
Oct 22 07:03:40 <lemonxah> it says fixed in build 132.518
Oct 22 07:04:00 <otiose> it sounds like he needs to do more research into getting apps developed
Oct 22 07:04:23 <smartall> Because i dont know how much leed
Oct 22 07:04:25 <leslie> lemonxah it requires the database plugin which is only in the ultimate edition of Intellij
Oct 22 07:04:35 <lemonxah> oh :(
Oct 22 07:04:38 <lemonxah> that sucks
Oct 22 07:04:41 <lemonxah> thnx leslie
Oct 22 07:04:49 <g00s> their solution is pretty lame / brittle too
Oct 22 07:04:51 <Leeds> smartall: which is why the first thing I asked you, again and again, was your budget
Oct 22 07:05:15 <Leeds> anyway
Oct 22 07:05:31 <g00s> i thought there was not soliciting here
Oct 22 07:05:40 <g00s> *no (see topic)
Oct 22 07:06:06 <otiose> smartall: building apps is our job. cost = hours * hourly-rate; apps generally take many hours to make; we live off this money, so the hourly rate is going to be pretty high
Oct 22 07:06:11 <otiose> so, its going to be expensive
Oct 22 07:06:27 <Leeds> g00s: there's also close to no operating here
Oct 22 07:06:38 <g00s> Leeds wut? i .. thought …
Oct 22 07:08:05 <Leeds> g00s: nobody seems to have been interested in either telling smartall off, or stopping the conversation, for 40 minutes
Oct 22 07:08:10 <smartall> Ok you say me how much
Oct 22 07:11:23 <otiose> when using an LruCache to be used in 2.2, should i import the one in android.util or the one in android.support.v4.util ?
Oct 22 07:11:38 <leslie> use the support one
Oct 22 07:11:44 <otiose> cool, thanks
Oct 22 07:12:08 <Zharf> otiose, some of us live off that money ;)
Oct 22 07:12:28 <otiose> ?
Oct 22 07:12:28 <Zharf> I frankly don't understand how
Oct 22 07:12:34 <Zharf> app market is inflated
Oct 22 07:13:04 <Zharf> I just make apps for fun
Oct 22 07:13:13 <smartall> Otosi
Oct 22 07:13:20 <smartall> Otiose
Oct 22 07:13:26 <otiose> ah, i develop for money; although i've never freelanced anything
Oct 22 07:14:32 <Zharf> I develop for fun, although I'm paid monthly salary for some of that, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun
Oct 22 07:14:55 <otiose> haha well thats a good point
Oct 22 07:14:59 <otiose> although its not always fun for me
Oct 22 07:17:04 <smartall> Otiose how much for my app ? Tellme you
Oct 22 07:18:44 <otiose> smartall: thats going to depend on developer, but it doesnt seem like a very enticing project to me
Oct 22 07:20:29 <smartall> Mm ok bro
Oct 22 07:31:30 <Onack> I have a button that is initially set to invisible, but when i do set it to visible(setVisible(View.VISIBLE)) it shows on my Nexus 4, but not on my Sony Xperia Go
Oct 22 07:31:37 <Onack> anyone seen this problem before?
Oct 22 07:37:45 <Onack> Testet it also works on Samsun Galaxy S3 running 4.1, Nexus 4 running 4.3 and Xperia Go running 4.0.4
Oct 22 07:43:22 <Maziz> maybe i think the app
Oct 22 07:43:54 <Maziz> too late
Oct 22 07:45:53 <hdon> hi all. i'm using Eclipse 3.7.2 and i have an Android 2.3.5 system running on a Motorola Photon. i have android SDKs 4.3 and 2.3.3 installed. i tried to do "JetBoy" to make sure everything was working, but I got an error in the eclipse console: Unable to resolve target 'android-3'
Oct 22 07:46:11 <Onack> It works if i align the button compared to the background, but not if i align it compared to another button
Oct 22 07:46:37 <hdon> what is target "android-3?"
Oct 22 07:48:49 <hdon> is it maybe the android SDK for "API level 3?"
Oct 22 07:51:59 <leslie> yes, hdon
Oct 22 07:52:08 <hdon> oh i see, i needed to close another project... didn't realize eclipse would allow me to have two projects open simultaneously
Oct 22 07:53:50 <Baluse> hello is there a library to use for caching?
Oct 22 07:54:01 <otiose> LruCache?
Oct 22 07:54:14 <leslie> what kind of caching, Baluse ? network requests?
Oct 22 07:57:16 <Maziz> Hi Leeds
Oct 22 07:57:33 <Leeds> Maziz: afternoon...
Oct 22 07:58:51 <Maziz> Leeds: I got a question. Do you know how to retrieve (or even a workaround maybe) child view that are not visible in grid view? Im trying to put animation when changing number of grid view column. So for instance you change a the number of columns from more to less i need to animated the invisible child view by scaling and translating it into place
Oct 22 07:59:12 <Maziz> Or maybe you have other suggestion.
Oct 22 08:00:06 <geery> hi
Oct 22 08:00:38 <Leeds> Maziz: no idea, off the top of my head... my brain is in python/CGI mode at the moment
Oct 22 08:00:53 <Maziz> ah thats ok. thanks.
Oct 22 08:00:58 <Maziz> hmm
Oct 22 08:03:27 <Baluse> any suggestion how to use LRUCache to cache objects from a web service?
Oct 22 08:03:39 <geery> sorry for my bad english, i've got a problem ... i try to view stream with videoview, but if the stream url hasn't got extension (.mp4 .3gp) then i cannot play the stream and the MediaPlayer throws "Error (1, -2147483648)"
Oct 22 08:03:53 <geery> if i try with extension it works
Oct 22 08:04:00 <geery> can somebody help?
Oct 22 08:04:30 <leslie> Baluse look at Volley
Oct 22 08:08:40 <Baluse> lol leslie
Oct 22 08:09:40 <Maziz> if it's not an option, store the webservice in a class model and store that class model in LRU?
Oct 22 08:10:00 <leslie> why lol, Baluse ?
Oct 22 08:11:04 <Baluse> because yesterday without accepting questions they told me to use retrofit
Oct 22 08:11:19 <Baluse> Maziz yes i can do this.
Oct 22 08:11:28 <Baluse> But it should be transparent i guess
Oct 22 08:13:51 <kakazza> I think people recommended retrofit + okhttp, because okhttp agressively caches, even with disk cache.
Oct 22 08:14:02 <kakazza> If you're talking about images, picasso + okhttp.
Oct 22 08:14:20 <Baluse> no images
Oct 22 08:16:53 <Baluse> so which is a good approach. Create a class for my service that extends the interface of the service and put cache stuff there?
Oct 22 08:21:15 <svector> is it possible to set a theme on an activity's layout file
Oct 22 08:22:50 <leslie> I think it has to be set in the manifest, svector
Oct 22 08:26:31 <svector> leslie, that's right. It appears that only name and label attributes are allowed inside <application />
Oct 22 08:26:49 <svector> leslie, i mean <activity />
Oct 22 08:27:25 <svector> leslie, putting android:theme inside <application /> sets the theme for the entire application
Oct 22 08:27:47 <leslie> right. or you can set it on individual activities
Oct 22 08:29:03 <kakazza> svector: name, label and about 20 others. https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html
Oct 22 08:30:09 <svector> putting android:theme="@android:style/Theme.Dialog" inside <activity /> doesn't seem to make a difference, nor does eclipse give it syntax coloring
Oct 22 08:30:21 <svector> kakazza, I'm checking out the link
Oct 22 08:36:14 <svector> Now working :) It was a typo
Oct 22 09:11:54 <flexd> Uh, this is going to be a vague question, but I've just had an actionbar disappear.. :/
Oct 22 09:12:26 <flexd> The actionbar option is still available when I bring up the context menu/phone button menu, but it is not showing the action bar
Oct 22 09:13:37 <flexd> I've got no idea why :/
Oct 22 09:18:53 <flexd> It was working last night
Oct 22 09:20:47 <Ge0rG> what would be the best way to make a screencast from an android device?
Oct 22 09:27:00 <flexd> Aha, I accidentally deleted some values folders :-0
Oct 22 09:32:38 <svector> What books is everyone using to learn Android here?
Oct 22 09:33:56 <lemonxah> i use the google book
Oct 22 09:34:02 <lemonxah> its got chapters on everything
Oct 22 09:34:37 <JimmyCarter> just crash course it here, so stackoverflow
Oct 22 09:34:44 <JimmyCarter> books somewhat novel idea
Oct 22 09:35:29 <lemonxah> books are cool for languages but i normally google and read the online android docs
Oct 22 09:35:32 <flexd> https://gist.github.com/flexd/5dfc7ac42e260e2a27a8 <-- I am having a bit of a problem with a SQlite database.. it gets an exception because the column I am trying to find does not exist
Oct 22 09:35:36 <flexd> But it does exist :/
Oct 22 09:36:40 <JimmyCarter> you sure you two are talking about same table?
Oct 22 09:37:26 <JimmyCarter> empirical fact of relationship counseling is communication is 90% of problems
Oct 22 09:37:32 <flexd> I am fairly certain.. I have three classes, PersonTable, PersonDatabaseHelper and PersonContentProvider.
Oct 22 09:37:47 <flexd> PersonDatabaseHelper defines private static final String DATABASE_NAME = "persontable.db"; which is what the sqlite3 db file is called.
Oct 22 09:38:35 <flexd> PersonTable defines public static final String TABLE_PERSON = "people"; and the code that creates the table is https://gist.github.com/flexd/ca177a32d638ce9ba5a0
Oct 22 09:39:09 <flexd> basically public static final String COLUMN_LAST_YEAR_NOTIFIED = "last_year_notified"; is what it's complaining about not existing, and I can see it in the db using sqlite3 :/
Oct 22 09:40:00 <JimmyCarter> so youre creating a table and then querying it in code
Oct 22 09:40:06 <JimmyCarter> you sure you dont need to commit the table create or something
Oct 22 09:40:19 <flexd> I am looking at the table in the database, it exists.
Oct 22 09:40:21 <flexd> :/
Oct 22 09:40:27 <flexd> It was working just fine before I added that column heh
Oct 22 09:41:04 <flexd> Look at this, this is directly from the sqlite3 client https://gist.github.com/flexd/9a758df370b7e21b1493
Oct 22 09:42:04 <flexd> the table is there and it exists :/
Oct 22 09:44:34 <sogard> Hello. Do you guys have any idea how I can force the cursor to be on the last position on focus?
Oct 22 09:44:50 <sogard> In an EditText.
Oct 22 09:49:16 <shmooz> sogard: editText.setSelection(editText.getText().length());
Oct 22 09:49:49 <sogard> If I do this in a OnFocusChangeListener it doesn't work.
Oct 22 09:50:30 <sogard> Because the EditText view does not have focus when I call setSelection.
Oct 22 09:57:27 <sogard> Any ideas?
Oct 22 10:03:15 <shmooz> sogard: try it in editText.setOnTouchListener(new OntouchListener() { @Override public boolean onTouch(View v, MotionEvent event) { editText.requestFocus(); ... return false; } });
Oct 22 10:03:46 <otiose> ugh, why can't I parse numbers from strings without having to do a try/catch?
Oct 22 10:04:44 <flexd> because it might fail.
Oct 22 10:04:53 <otiose> then give it a default value
Oct 22 10:06:02 <flexd> Exceptions is like the core of java, learn to live with it :-p
Oct 22 10:06:58 <sogard> I tried to use onTouchListener but I didn't work for some odd reason I cannot remember. Now, it appears to be working.
Oct 22 10:07:04 <sogard> Thanks, shmooz.
Oct 22 10:07:53 <shmooz> :)
Oct 22 10:07:55 <Zharf> otiose, write a wrapper that reurns defautl value on failure then :)
Oct 22 10:08:31 <otiose> I know that i CAN do it, but dont try's have to like, copy over the stack or something, so then they can recover with an exception?
Oct 22 10:08:55 <otiose> i feel like determining logic flow with exceptions isnt the best way to go
Oct 22 10:12:05 <Maziz> a quick one, will on draw be called if the view is set to invisible
Oct 22 10:21:12 <otiose> Is there a way to track objects alive in memory?
Oct 22 10:21:52 <otiose> like Instruments for ios
Oct 22 10:21:55 <Ge0rG> meh. adb framebuffer screencasts all fail on 720p and higher-res devices...
Oct 22 10:29:03 <otiose> I know i can see the heap updates and allocations,
Oct 22 10:32:13 <geery> no one can help? :(
Oct 22 10:32:15 <otiose> but is it not possible to track certain objects and see if they are still alive?
Oct 22 10:48:29 <Dudi> hi
Oct 22 10:48:38 <thepoosh> hi hi
Oct 22 10:49:22 <thepoosh> Dudi: ???
Oct 22 10:50:23 <DarkSlay3r> *roar!*
Oct 22 10:57:23 <Dudi> thepoosh, what's going on? :D
Oct 22 10:57:46 <thepoosh> you're sending "hi" but nothing else
Oct 22 10:58:42 <Dudi> thepoosh, I just want say hello/hi to channle :)
Oct 22 10:58:50 <thepoosh> oh
Oct 22 10:58:53 <thepoosh> hi man
Oct 22 10:58:59 <DarkSlay3r> i would like to roar and nothing else
Oct 22 10:59:16 <DarkSlay3r> but roaring is less compelling when spelled out
Oct 22 11:00:18 <Dudi> DarkSlay3r, you can do like this
Oct 22 11:00:20 * Dudi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXkGSc6d0xQ
Oct 22 11:02:12 <Panni> Hey everyone ^-^ I'm new to Android App Development and now I've got a problem: I've got multiple buttons in a <ScrollView> But if I scroll now the button is pressed, can someone tell me how I could solve that?  (Code for one button: http://pastebin.com/Myn1hc3v ) ( activity_main.xml: http://pastebin.com/xbbGNsk8 )
Oct 22 11:11:07 <DarkSlay3r> Panni: put it somewhere other than pastebin and i might help
Oct 22 11:11:39 <Panni> DarkSlay3r: Which site would you suggest?
Oct 22 11:11:51 <Phineas5> Hello, how do I set the phone's clipboard to plain text?
Oct 22 11:12:42 <Phineas5> I declared a ClipboardManager but I dont know what to do after that
Oct 22 11:17:51 <Panni> @ DarkSlay3r Here is it on hastebin: activity_main.xml for one button: http://hastebin.com/hecujesuma.xml | MainActivity.java for one button: http://hastebin.com/vinuhejome.avrasm
Oct 22 11:29:11 <troloyolo> Hey guys - i have high score class that extends Fragment and has an extendable list view in it. However, i can not initialize the list view from my mainActivity class, anyone who knows how to get around that?
Oct 22 11:31:41 <troloyolo> expListView = (ExpandableListView) findViewById(R.id.expLv); throws a NPE because the element is not in the actual mainActivity
Oct 22 11:31:57 <bankai_> getView.findViewById
Oct 22 11:32:52 <troloyolo> awesome - thanks
Oct 22 11:48:25 <zokier`> adt eclipse is quite crashy for me, logs: https://gist.github.com/zokier/7099152
Oct 22 11:49:52 <bankai_> try #eclipse
Oct 22 11:50:30 <zokier`> ok
Oct 22 11:55:13 <ryden_hdm> Hello. How can I read the samples from an audio file to process them?
Oct 22 12:07:24 <Ge0rG> my oh my, so much boilerplate for GCM client
Oct 22 12:57:30 <snot> I created an app with a syncadapter. But initially the app doesn't have any data... because the syncadapter hasnt run. What would be a good way to trigger the initial sync?
Oct 22 13:31:24 <DarkSlay3r> Has anyone here used cordova?
Oct 22 13:34:36 <jaynewstrom> yes, it's a trap, don't do it
Oct 22 13:35:49 <DarkSlay3r> explain
Oct 22 13:38:37 <jaynewstrom> it's pretty difficult to debug code, since there is no debugger
Oct 22 13:38:49 <jaynewstrom> your app won't be as fast, it won't look like an android app
Oct 22 13:40:55 <DarkSlay3r> Well to be fair it does look like a work in progress
Oct 22 13:51:59 <jaynewstrom> yeah, if you're a javascript programmer, go for it. But if you want a solid app, I would do it all native, using native controls
Oct 22 13:52:23 <pucko> Anyone know an example of how to make "flipping" views like Feedly? You can swipe a current view off screen. Almost like a deck of cards
Oct 22 13:59:26 <icedp> pucko: http://distantstar:52249/kN /training/animation/screen-slide.html
Oct 22 13:59:33 <icedp> oops
Oct 22 13:59:40 <icedp> pucko: http://developer.android.com/training/animation/screen-slide.html
Oct 22 14:05:25 <pucko> icedp: aha! I though that one was only for two views. but this gives a proper infinite flow
Oct 22 14:06:15 <icedp> pucko: yes you should implement getItem
Oct 22 14:06:40 <pucko> awesome. thanks a lot dude
Oct 22 14:07:33 <icedp> np
Oct 22 14:13:22 <whoever> is android sutudio a plugin or standalone ?
Oct 22 14:13:32 <whoever> *studio
Oct 22 14:14:08 <whoever> nevermind standalone
Oct 22 14:14:16 <pfn> standalone
Oct 22 14:17:07 <pfn> I guess I should use scala 2.10 in my next android app, so I can abuse futures
Oct 22 14:17:18 <jrm2k6> Hi guys, I might have a stupid question but nevermind. How would you do if you wanna make your app available through an emulator online? Without having your user installing anything, just, browser -> github repo -> click on a link -> they can test
Oct 22 14:17:22 <jrm2k6> it is something feasible?
Oct 22 14:18:06 <pfn> no
Oct 22 14:18:18 <pfn> maybe find one of those cloud-testing services
Oct 22 14:21:04 * whoever nods at pfn 
Oct 22 14:21:45 * whoever wonder why your would want your android app to run in an emulater  instead of nativly when distributed 
Oct 22 14:24:08 <jrm2k6> Alright
Oct 22 14:24:14 <jrm2k6> thanks pfn for the answer
Oct 22 14:24:54 <jrm2k6> whoever: are you in fact nodding to me?
Oct 22 14:24:55 <jrm2k6> :)
Oct 22 14:25:51 <whoever> joe75: well i am wonderig why you want your distributed app to run in an emulator
Oct 22 14:25:53 <icedp> pfn: last time I check Eclipse couldn't show context help for Android API for Scala
Oct 22 14:26:09 <joe75> jrm2k6*
Oct 22 14:26:29 <jrm2k6> because that was the idea I had
Oct 22 14:26:39 <jrm2k6> Lets say you dont want to make your app public, or available on any store
Oct 22 14:26:48 <jrm2k6> but you just want to share it with some specific people
Oct 22 14:26:51 <whoever> jrm2k6: but it would run much slower then nativly
Oct 22 14:26:51 <jrm2k6> that dont have a phone
Oct 22 14:26:55 <jrm2k6> how would you do it?
Oct 22 14:27:06 <jrm2k6> I agree. It is just a random idea.
Oct 22 14:27:18 <jrm2k6> Greymotion is pretty fast actually
Oct 22 14:27:20 <jrm2k6> for an emulator
Oct 22 14:27:46 <whoever> jrm2k6: i would say, here is my app. if you don't have a phone, there is an emulater, and instructions to setup
Oct 22 14:28:03 <icedp> jrm2k6: but still why do you wannt do it. android app intended well.. for phones and tablets
Oct 22 14:28:11 <jrm2k6> i dont know
Oct 22 14:28:13 <jrm2k6> lets say
Oct 22 14:28:17 <jrm2k6> you have a project on github
Oct 22 14:28:22 <jrm2k6> someone wants to see how it is
Oct 22 14:28:26 <jrm2k6> quickly easily
Oct 22 14:28:41 <jrm2k6> could be pretty useful in my opinion
Oct 22 14:28:45 <icedp> screenshots, screencast, youtube video
Oct 22 14:29:26 <jrm2k6> I just want an in-between
Oct 22 14:29:31 <jrm2k6> but i think you are not ocnvinced at all
Oct 22 14:29:40 <jrm2k6> I was just wondering if something like that was already existing
Oct 22 14:31:36 <icedp> I believe you it would be great but it's like creating additional problems for yourself - it just won't work better in emulator with current state of affairs
Oct 22 14:32:00 <icedp> it make work badly in emulator but perfectly in phone and so user will try it in emulator and discard it
Oct 22 14:32:05 <icedp> *it may
Oct 22 14:32:26 <nseidm1> After 4 years of allowing apps to deal with the sms and mms content providers, Google has finally completely broken my Shady SMS
Oct 22 14:32:43 <nseidm1> I knew this day would come eventually
Oct 22 14:33:38 <jrm2k6> icedp: the specifc use case was during an interview
Oct 22 14:33:56 <pfn> icedp, of course it does...
Oct 22 14:34:06 <pfn> icedp, that's just a matter of ide misconfiguration
Oct 22 14:34:06 <jrm2k6> "oh you have an app here, on your github, do you have a link to check it quickly and you can explain me the different prt of it in few sentences"
Oct 22 14:34:11 <jrm2k6> screenshots would probably have been enough
Oct 22 14:34:19 <pfn> icedp, but eclipse isn't the greatest ide anyway
Oct 22 14:34:20 <jrm2k6> but I still think it is a valid use case
Oct 22 14:34:33 <pfn> nseidm1, in 4.4?
Oct 22 14:34:38 <nseidm1> yup
Oct 22 14:34:40 <pfn> nseidm1, since they have some official sms api now
Oct 22 14:34:49 <pfn> nseidm1, how do you know it's broken anyway? google hasn't announced anything?
Oct 22 14:34:59 <pfn> nseidm1, or are you somehow in on the latest version ahead of release?
Oct 22 14:35:03 <pfn> in which case, are you breaking an nda?
Oct 22 14:35:04 <nseidm1> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/10/getting-your-sms-apps-ready-for-kitkat.html
Oct 22 14:35:10 <pfn> ah
Oct 22 14:35:40 <icedp> pfn: https://scala-ide-portfolio.assembla.com/spaces/scala-ide/tickets/1000210#/activity/ticket:
Oct 22 14:35:40 <pfn> On Android 4.4, only one app can receive the new SMS_DELIVER_ACTION intent, which the system broadcasts when a new SMS message arrives
Oct 22 14:35:43 <nseidm1> I can work around the massive changed, it's gonna be alot of work
Oct 22 14:35:56 <pfn> interesting; is it a broadcast or an activity intent?
Oct 22 14:36:03 <icedp> pfn: does it work in android studio (I mean Scala of course)?
Oct 22 14:36:13 <nseidm1> The deal breaker is this: Note that—beginning with Android 4.4—any attempt by your app to abort the SMS_RECEIVED_ACTION broadcast will be ignored so all apps interested have the chance to receive it.
Oct 22 14:36:28 <nseidm1> and this: Although the system writes sent SMS messages to the SMS Provider while your app is not the default SMS app, it does not write sent MMS messages and your app is not able to write to the SMS Provider for other operations, such as to mark messages as draft, mark them as read, delete them, etc.
Oct 22 14:36:46 <pfn> icedp, I wouldn't consider using android studio; and the answer is no; android studio is an android-restricted ide, only "blessed" configurations are supported
Oct 22 14:37:29 <icedp> pfn: so where it works then? ))
Oct 22 14:38:06 <pfn> icedp, well, it works in scala-ide of course, as you've seen -- I don't see what you're pointing out about your ticket... it still works
Oct 22 14:38:08 <nseidm1> pfn: same broadcast pattern, just a massively different pattern. I need to bake in a full messenger replacement app alongside the existing hidden messaging app.
Oct 22 14:38:09 <pfn> icedp, and intellij
Oct 22 14:38:19 <pfn> nseidm1, oh, so it's sendOrderedBroadcast
Oct 22 14:38:36 <nseidm1> it's not abortable
Oct 22 14:38:47 <pfn> right, but it's hacked so it's not abortable
Oct 22 14:38:53 <nseidm1> either it's not ordered anymore, it's somehow the ordered broadcast is no longer abortable
Oct 22 14:38:58 <nseidm1> yea
Oct 22 14:39:03 <pfn> well, not hacked, I see how
Oct 22 14:39:11 <pfn> basically if you abort it, it gets re-broadcast as non-ordered
Oct 22 14:39:13 <pfn> so all apps get it
Oct 22 14:39:17 <icedp> pfn: no it doesn't work for me at least. and I'm not the only one
Oct 22 14:39:28 <icedp> pfn: I'll make a screenshot
Oct 22 14:39:39 <pfn> icedp, I don't see what you said about "it doesn't work" -- it does work, but again, eclipse misconfiguration
Oct 22 14:39:43 <nseidm1> pfn: hence if all apps get the broadcast, done deal for hiding it from other apps
Oct 22 14:39:50 <pfn> I dunno about "only one" because lots of people use scala on eclipse successfully
Oct 22 14:40:10 <pfn> nseidm1, I was basically curious if they re-did some apis in the framework to allow this new behavior
Oct 22 14:40:23 <icedp> pfn: I'm not talking about scala on eclipse; but about scala on eclipse for android
Oct 22 14:40:28 <nseidm1> it's likely just not an ordered broadcast anymore
Oct 22 14:40:53 <pfn> nseidm1, it's an ordered broadcast that if cancelled gets re-sent as non-ordered, is what it sounds like
Oct 22 14:41:04 <pfn> otherwise, I'm really curious how the framework/api is modified to enable this special-case
Oct 22 14:41:54 <pfn> icedp, yes, scala on eclipse for android, plenty of people in scala-on-android do that
Oct 22 14:42:04 * pfn uses intellij, though
Oct 22 14:42:06 * pfn shrugs
Oct 22 14:42:25 <SimonVT> pfn, the behavior is basically already there for startActivity with defaults
Oct 22 14:42:34 <SimonVT> Probably not much different
Oct 22 14:42:46 <pfn> SimonVT, right, but is this a broadcast or activity intent; was my original question
Oct 22 14:42:54 <pfn> SimonVT, and it sounds considerably different if it's a broadcast
Oct 22 14:43:18 <pfn> but of course, it should be a broadcast; would be damned annoying for an activity to pop up on every sms recv
Oct 22 14:43:19 <nseidm1> can't wait to see the source for the aosp messaging app
Oct 22 14:43:33 <nseidm1> it's definitely a broadcast just like it was previously
Oct 22 14:44:09 <pfn> nseidm1, Any filters for the SMS_RECEIVED_ACTION broadcast in existing apps will continue to work the same on Android 4.4, but only as an observer of new messages, because unless your app also receives the SMS_DELIVER_ACTION broadcast, you cannot write to the SMS Provider on Android 4.4.
Oct 22 14:44:17 <pfn> nseidm1, sounds like it'll continue to work...
Oct 22 14:44:26 <icedp> pfn: http://i.imgur.com/SnaACl4.png this is what I get
Oct 22 14:44:35 <pfn> oh, wait, you also block messages from being written to the provider
Oct 22 14:44:38 * pfn shrugs
Oct 22 14:44:39 <nseidm1> pfn: deal breaker: Although the system writes sent SMS messages to the SMS Provider while your app is not the default SMS app, it does not write sent MMS messages and your app is not able to write to the SMS Provider for other operations, such as to mark messages as draft, mark them as read, delete them, etc.
Oct 22 14:45:01 <pfn> nseidm1, right, so you can't be "shady" -- booo
Oct 22 14:45:01 <nseidm1> so when I send sms using Shady, it'll automatically populate the sms database, and I can't delete it
Oct 22 14:45:02 <icedp> pfn: I was asking for help but was confirmed that others have the same problem. so it works for you? and if yes where do I get help )
Oct 22 14:45:17 <pfn> icedp, so use the show-doc keystroke
Oct 22 14:45:22 <pfn> whatever that is in eclipse
Oct 22 14:45:32 <nseidm1> pfn: was fun while it lasted
Oct 22 14:45:51 <nseidm1> still, up to 1030 monthly subscribers :)
Oct 22 14:45:57 <pfn> nice
Oct 22 14:46:17 <icedp> pfn: this is the doc displayed
Oct 22 14:46:28 <pfn> icedp, I guess eclipse sucks then
Oct 22 14:46:29 * pfn shrugs
Oct 22 14:47:14 <icedp> pfn: what not sucks then?))) you told that you saw this working but you can't say where
Oct 22 14:47:25 <pfn> icedp, I said it works fine in intellij
Oct 22 14:47:38 <pfn> I said it numerous times already
Oct 22 14:47:49 <pfn> as for that in eclipse; I still think it's a misconfiguration
Oct 22 14:48:01 <pfn> but I don't use eclipse to care to find out how to fix it for you
Oct 22 15:10:06 <gdaniels> Hey y'all.  Tricky one - I think the problem I'm having is this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4969553/how-to-prevent-activityunittestcase-from-calling-application-oncreate
Oct 22 15:11:09 <gdaniels> I'm trying to test an Activity which ends up making a (mocked out) network request.  Processing the reply from that requires accessing a ContentProvider.  The context I use to do that is the application context.... so I want to mock out the Application.
Oct 22 15:11:53 <gdaniels> I'm using ActivityUnitTestCase, which lets me call setApplication()... but, woefully, it doesn't work. :(
Oct 22 15:12:14 <gdaniels> anyone happen to have any clues here?
Oct 22 15:12:17 <DarkSlay3r> Why not use a local web server?
Oct 22 15:12:31 <gdaniels> the web service call isn't the problem... it's the ContentProvider
Oct 22 15:12:49 <gdaniels> I want to mock that out with a fake one I can use to just hard code some data.
Oct 22 15:13:00 <gdaniels> so I want to plug in a MockContentResolver
Oct 22 15:13:36 <gdaniels> In the real app, I've got a separate APK with the ContentProvider in it, and I want to avoid having to have that installed on the device when testing.
Oct 22 15:14:42 <Baluse> any idea people ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19521764/android-studio-0-3-java-library-module-doesnt-work
Oct 22 15:18:17 <gdaniels> Baluse: I ran into perhaps the same thing today - added butterknife to an app, it compiled fine, but the butterknife classes weren't in the APK.  Found this: http://forums.gradle.org/gradle/topics/gradle_dependencies_not_being_included_on_android
Oct 22 15:18:30 <gdaniels> running the command-line clean sorted me out, no further problems.
Oct 22 15:18:57 <Baluse> gradlew --clean ?
Oct 22 15:18:59 <Baluse> or clean
Oct 22 15:19:06 <JakeWharton> you can clean from IDE too by invoking "Rebuild Project"
Oct 22 15:19:30 <Moopz> Using a multi-choice dialog box, is it possible to make some of the options unclickable?
Oct 22 15:19:34 <gdaniels> JakeWharton: I did try that, and it didn't work. :/
Oct 22 15:19:45 <Baluse> didnt work for me too
Oct 22 15:19:49 <gdaniels> (I know, freaky)
Oct 22 15:19:57 <Baluse> clean worked for me for one project
Oct 22 15:20:00 <Baluse> at other didnt
Oct 22 15:20:01 <gdaniels> but using gradlew clean did work.
Oct 22 15:20:16 <Baluse> actualy rebuild screws the project
Oct 22 15:20:33 <JakeWharton> Moopz: enabled=false
Oct 22 15:21:35 <Moopz> JakeWharton: But how do I set enabled to false on only some of the elements? I'm using a non-custom one.
Oct 22 15:21:56 <JakeWharton> set it in XML or with setEnabled
Oct 22 15:22:13 <Moopz> As I said, I'm not using a custom dialog box.
Oct 22 15:22:56 <Moopz> I want specific elements in the listview it contains to be unclickable.
Oct 22 15:23:06 <JakeWharton> oh, multi-choice dialog
Oct 22 15:23:07 <JakeWharton> dunno
Oct 22 15:23:10 <JakeWharton> never used one
Oct 22 15:23:17 <JakeWharton> it probably takes a boolean[]
Oct 22 15:24:07 <Moopz> It does, but that's to see if the elements should be checked or not.
Oct 22 15:24:09 <Baluse> boolean reminds me of bullies
Oct 22 15:24:12 <gdaniels> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16881536/hiding-items-in-android-multichoice-dialog
Oct 22 15:24:26 <gdaniels> Moopz: you can get the ListView and then dig in that way
Oct 22 15:24:41 <Moopz> gdaniels: Ah, thanks.
Oct 22 15:24:59 <JakeWharton> ew
Oct 22 15:25:34 <JakeWharton> nothing like keeping a static reference to booleans for controlling an adapter to brighten your morning
Oct 22 15:25:55 <gdaniels> JakeWharton: heh
Oct 22 15:26:33 <JakeWharton> do the custom adapter but implement isEnabled properly please
Oct 22 15:26:59 <gdaniels> totes
Oct 22 15:27:04 <Moopz> I'll see what I can do.
Oct 22 15:27:51 <gdaniels> JakeWharton: nice work on Butterknife btw - liking it, and much lighter weight than some of the other options.  Kudos.
Oct 22 15:28:13 <Baluse2> test
Oct 22 15:29:32 <whoever> is anyone here using open-jdk-7 , when i creade a blank or any project and try to compile i get errors have tao do with open-jdk-6 not supported
Oct 22 15:30:15 <whoever> yes i am using 7 but android studio complains about 6
Oct 22 15:31:56 <JakeWharton> gdaniels: thanks!
Oct 22 15:32:40 <whoever> wtf error "could not find any version that matches com.android.support.appcompat-v7:+"
Oct 22 15:34:07 <Baluse2> lol
Oct 22 15:34:19 <Baluse2> do you have this library ?
Oct 22 15:34:24 <Baluse2> check your sdk
Oct 22 15:34:25 <JakeWharton> that's not a valid artifact identifier
Oct 22 15:34:48 <JakeWharton> groupId:artifactId:version
Oct 22 15:36:22 <whoever> Baluse2: i just checked the docs it may have something to do with my min and max settings. I have my target set as gbread and max set to jb,  but only have 10 installed, to support this range i assaume i need all of the libs just to be safe
Oct 22 15:37:31 <JakeWharton> set your min to GB, target to JB, and remove max
Oct 22 15:38:35 <whoever> JakeWharton: i don't thinc android studio has a null or n/a option for that
Oct 22 15:38:57 <JakeWharton> do it in the manifest directly
Oct 22 15:39:04 <pfn> edit the androidmanifest.xml and take out max
Oct 22 15:41:05 <whoever> pfn: i only hawe min and target in androidMainifest.xml
Oct 22 15:42:10 <pfn> then you're ok
Oct 22 15:43:36 <whoever> pfn:  im gonna pastbin my compile error message , i have not added to the project, and let android studio create it , and when i try to compile I get error message
Oct 22 15:43:39 <pfn> the nexus one is an hdpi device, right
Oct 22 15:43:53 <|0xD34D|> yes
Oct 22 15:46:26 <whoever> http://imagebin.org/274429
Oct 22 15:46:48 * pfn headscratches why his bitmap size exceeds vm budget on a nexus one
Oct 22 15:46:56 <pfn> it's a 32x32px compound drawable
Oct 22 15:48:24 <whoever> pfn: are you doing this in an emulator on device
Oct 22 15:48:34 <pfn> nexus one
Oct 22 15:48:43 <whoever> pfn: get my pastebin
Oct 22 15:49:21 <pfn> your build.gradle doesn't load the android plugin, probably
Oct 22 15:49:45 <pfn> and also, don't use + versions
Oct 22 15:49:50 <pfn> :18.0.0
Oct 22 15:50:03 <whoever> pfn: have you tried another image, just to see if it has someting to do with the image that the nexus is picking up
Oct 22 15:50:21 <whoever> i know sounds dumb but gotta start some where
Oct 22 15:50:42 <whoever> pfn: i didn't think i was
Oct 22 15:50:57 <whoever> pfn: AS must had done that for me
Oct 22 15:51:33 <pfn> anyway, thanks, but the suggestions are unrelated
Oct 22 15:51:52 <whoever> pfn: ok
Oct 22 15:52:19 <whoever> pfn: the + versions would be in the manifest , but not seeing anything
Oct 22 15:52:36 <pfn> library versions go in build.gradle
Oct 22 15:53:47 <whoever> do i just want to remowe the + at the end of the string
Oct 22 15:53:56 <whoever> or completly change it
Oct 22 15:54:40 <pfn> you change it
Oct 22 15:54:42 <pfn> 18.0.0
Oct 22 15:54:48 <pfn> do not use wildcard versions for libraries
Oct 22 15:55:19 <whoever> at least not yet
Oct 22 15:55:36 <pfn> never
Oct 22 15:55:43 <pfn> do not ever use wildcard versions for libraries
Oct 22 15:56:10 * Baluse2 needs sleep
Oct 22 15:59:00 <whoever> pfn: why would you never want to use whild in version
Oct 22 15:59:35 <whoever> it would be much easier then having to list each version
Oct 22 15:59:45 <mastroWork> Has someone managed to mount an OBB file?
Oct 22 15:59:50 <mastroWork> anyone
Oct 22 16:02:23 <pfn> whoever, because you will never be able to have reproducible builds
Oct 22 16:02:53 <pfn> whoever, you should always be fully in control of dependencies
Oct 22 16:03:14 <whoever> pfn: ah, thx
Oct 22 16:03:49 <mastroWork> please can someone help me with this OBB file mount issue? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/adt-dev/0pS8Nqu6Qkc
Oct 22 16:04:01 <whoever> pfn: i changed from v7:+ to v18.0.0 and i am still recieveing the same error message
Oct 22 16:04:07 <mastroWork> maybe some android developer?
Oct 22 16:04:36 <pfn> huh
Oct 22 16:04:39 <pfn> ...
Oct 22 16:04:44 <pfn> v7:18.0.0
Oct 22 16:04:53 <pfn> it's not v18.0.0
Oct 22 16:05:03 <Cadmi> Hello!
Oct 22 16:05:07 <pfn> -v7 doesn't mean version 7
Oct 22 16:05:12 <pfn> it means works with api7
Oct 22 16:05:18 <whoever> mastroWork: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18064114/expension-file-cant-load-obb-from-sdcard-android-obb-on-android-4-2
Oct 22 16:05:54 <whoever> didin't you say change it to 18.0.0 or did i miss read
Oct 22 16:06:05 <pfn> whoever, I said get rid of the +
Oct 22 16:06:08 <pfn> you misread
Oct 22 16:06:41 <Cadmi> I have a problem.. i am using the DDMS and I can appreciate that after pressing the back button from an activity the instane is still in memory. In fact, if i press back button and i reenter to the activity several times, i get a memory exception
Oct 22 16:06:43 <whoever> pfn:  i did that first and recived the same error messag with the "+" omitted
Oct 22 16:06:51 <pfn> did what
Oct 22 16:07:10 <pfn> and if you get an error, you either: A) didn't set the android plugin, B) did not install the android support repository
Oct 22 16:07:34 <whoever> i removed the "+" at the end of compile with string
Oct 22 16:07:54 <mastroWork> whoever, my issue is with mounting, the file is correctly picked up and in the right position
Oct 22 16:07:57 <Cadmi> In fact, I only have 1 activity: I enter from the Android home to the application going back every time and it explodes..
Oct 22 16:08:14 <whoever> mastroWork: sorry
Oct 22 16:08:25 <pfn> whoever, you did /what/
Oct 22 16:08:36 <pfn> whoever, you simply removed the +? that's wrong
Oct 22 16:09:00 <nseidm1> Cadmi: if you have multiple instances your not correctly setting the android:launchMode attribute for the activity in the manifest
Oct 22 16:09:28 <nseidm1> if you're getting a "memory exception" you're either using too much memory, not lru caching images, or worst case you're leaking memory
Oct 22 16:10:07 <Cadmi> nseidm1 i provocated it to explode using a bitmap
Oct 22 16:10:17 <nseidm1> makes sense
Oct 22 16:10:19 <Cadmi> in my stack there is only 1 activity at every time
Oct 22 16:10:30 <Cadmi> but in the memory there are several instances
Oct 22 16:10:33 <Cadmi> is what i don't understand!
Oct 22 16:10:53 <nseidm1> what launchMode are you using?
Oct 22 16:11:01 <nseidm1> What inSampleSize are you using?
Oct 22 16:11:01 <Cadmi> i tried Singleinstance
Oct 22 16:11:12 <Cadmi> i'm not using samplesize now
Oct 22 16:11:14 <pfn> if you have multiple instances of your activity in memory, you gone done leaked it
Oct 22 16:11:18 <Cadmi> i'm creating a lot of textviews inside a loop
Oct 22 16:11:23 <pfn> setting samplesize and launchmode will not change anything
Oct 22 16:11:24 <nseidm1> ahhhhh
Oct 22 16:11:25 <nseidm1> why?
Oct 22 16:11:27 <Cadmi> to check if it explodes
Oct 22 16:11:43 <Cadmi> i'm doing that to check if it exlodes
Oct 22 16:11:45 <nseidm1> any static collections?
Oct 22 16:11:46 <pfn> run down your memory references in MAT, and fix it
Oct 22 16:12:09 <jedir0x> So i've got a weird UI requirement that requires a diagram to explain: http://i.imgur.com/awrdhbB.png - any ideas on how to implement this?
Oct 22 16:12:12 <nseidm1> are you keeping static references to the activity context?
Oct 22 16:12:20 <Cadmi> no
Oct 22 16:12:26 <pfn> static references will only account for 1 instance leak
Oct 22 16:12:27 <pfn> not multiple
Oct 22 16:12:32 <Cadmi> we have static references but not to the static context
Oct 22 16:12:37 <pfn> unless you use a collection of some sort
Oct 22 16:12:52 <nseidm1> scary thoughts
Oct 22 16:12:52 <Cadmi> pfn every time i leave the application and i enter again i have 1 more instance of the splash
Oct 22 16:12:54 <Cadmi> for example
Oct 22 16:13:03 <Cadmi> ondestroy is being executed
Oct 22 16:13:11 <pfn> Cadmi, you're leaking memory
Oct 22 16:13:12 <pfn> use MAT
Oct 22 16:13:13 <Cadmi> so the activity dissapears from the stack
Oct 22 16:13:16 <pfn> analyze, fix
Oct 22 16:13:18 <Cadmi> but the activitiy continues living in RAM
Oct 22 16:13:24 <pfn> Cadmi, you're leaking memory
Oct 22 16:13:26 <pfn> use MAT
Oct 22 16:13:27 <pfn> analyze, fix
Oct 22 16:13:49 <Cadmi> i tried it pfn, i'm not expert in the program
Oct 22 16:13:55 <Cadmi> but what i did is to check the main activity
Oct 22 16:13:59 <Cadmi> i found for example 4 insances
Oct 22 16:14:04 <pfn> Cadmi, track down references, and fix it
Oct 22 16:14:12 <Cadmi> and i pressed the option of "look for with incoming references"
Oct 22 16:14:18 <pfn> right click on each instance, show references
Oct 22 16:14:23 <pfn> and then see where the reference is being held, remove it
Oct 22 16:14:27 <Cadmi> finally, for every reference i press to Path to GCCollect
Oct 22 16:14:36 <Cadmi> (excluding weak references)
Oct 22 16:14:37 <pfn> didn't I help jedir0x with this? -- pay it forward
Oct 22 16:14:38 <Cadmi> and there is not any reference
Oct 22 16:14:46 <Cadmi> i'm using mono for android...
Oct 22 16:14:49 <undeadd> hey
Oct 22 16:14:50 <Cadmi> maybe it can be the problem ?
Oct 22 16:14:52 <jedir0x> pfn, help with what?
Oct 22 16:14:58 <pfn> jedir0x, memory leak issue
Oct 22 16:15:13 <pfn> 'cept yours ultimately turned out to be a samsung bug
Oct 22 16:15:14 <jedir0x> oh, yes - give me a sec.  I'm on a skype call
Oct 22 16:15:19 <undeadd> is new TypefaceSpan("sans-serif-thin") = TypefaceSpan.createFromFile("/system/fonts/AndroidClock.ttf") ?
Oct 22 16:15:46 <Cadmi> pfn i'm looking for it again
Oct 22 16:15:46 <pfn> undeadd, read aosp and see
Oct 22 16:16:08 <pfn> jedir0x, as for your question; I think some of the apps I've worked on do something similar, I don't know how it's done, though
Oct 22 16:16:13 <undeadd> pfn wondering about an easy and faster answer instead..
Oct 22 16:16:15 * pfn should look, but hasn't been curious enough to
Oct 22 16:16:22 <pfn> undeadd, do your own legwork
Oct 22 16:16:41 <pfn> jedir0x, the fact that the bottom is a gridview doesn't really matter
Oct 22 16:17:02 <Baluse2> in retrofit  how /order/get?id={id}  {id} wont work
Oct 22 16:17:07 <Baluse2> any idea?
Oct 22 16:17:18 <undeadd> pfn coding smali right now.. don't have an easy way to get that answer asap as wanted
Oct 22 16:17:26 <JakeWharton> use @Query("id")
Oct 22 16:17:39 <JakeWharton> kill everything after the ? in the path and use @Query("id") as a method argument
Oct 22 16:18:16 <SimonVT> jedir0x: Attach a scroll listener to the gridview.. Move top view when you scroll
Oct 22 16:18:21 <mastroWork> No one really managed to mount an OBB file in  an app?
Oct 22 16:18:23 <mastroWork> no one here?
Oct 22 16:18:39 <Baluse2> JakeWharton it wasnt documented:)
Oct 22 16:18:48 <JakeWharton> send a pull request
Oct 22 16:19:19 <jedir0x> Cadmi, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18806240/is-my-activity-being-leaked-and-is-it-the-actionbar-thats-doing-it
Oct 22 16:19:38 <Baluse2> JakeWharton should i use ? or remove it
Oct 22 16:19:45 <JakeWharton> remove it
Oct 22 16:19:59 <JakeWharton> @Path("/order/get") void get(@Query("id") String id, ...)
Oct 22 16:20:35 <Baluse2> ok worked nicely thankz
Oct 22 16:21:02 <Baluse2> also i have another problemo. If i want to send a post thing
Oct 22 16:21:39 <Baluse2> and have method(Class1 x,String y)   is it possible to send them as application/json ?
Oct 22 16:21:42 <Cadmi> pfn when i look for incoming references of an acitivity instance excluding the weak references (of course the activity is not in the stack) i don't get any reference
Oct 22 16:21:52 <Cadmi> maybe the problem is caused by a weak reference ?
Oct 22 16:21:58 <gdrc> any tips how to make new gdrive - quickoffice first run view?
Oct 22 16:22:24 <Baluse2> didnt work and had to sent them as @Body   and created a Map<String,Object>
Oct 22 16:23:53 <pfn> of course you have references
Oct 22 16:23:58 <pfn> and activity in the stack is irrelevant
Oct 22 16:24:36 <jedir0x> Cadmi, how many instances of your activity are there?
Oct 22 16:24:52 <pfn> Cadmi, and weakreferences do not cause problems
Oct 22 16:24:57 <jedir0x> Cadmi, and did you look at my stackoverflow post?
Oct 22 16:25:01 <Cadmi> jedir0x every time i go to the android panel and i enter again to the app i get 1 extra instance of the activity
Oct 22 16:25:12 <Cadmi> of course, at the same time only 1 is in the activitiy task
Oct 22 16:25:16 <Cadmi> in the stack i mean
Oct 22 16:25:16 <undeadd> my bad
Oct 22 16:25:38 <jedir0x> So if you keep doing it you get more and more and more - it _never_ goes down?
Oct 22 16:25:43 <Cadmi> yes
Oct 22 16:25:44 <Cadmi> exactly
Oct 22 16:25:56 <Cadmi> and after many times the app crashes
Oct 22 16:25:59 <jedir0x> well then finding your leak should be easy - are you using DDMS?
Oct 22 16:26:00 <Cadmi> because of a memory problem
Oct 22 16:26:03 <Cadmi> yes
Oct 22 16:26:07 <Cadmi> i am using it
Oct 22 16:26:16 <Cadmi> and i have the file here
Oct 22 16:26:18 <Cadmi> i'm analyzing it
Oct 22 16:26:34 <Cadmi> but when i look in the splashacitivity for incoming references i don't get anyone
Oct 22 16:26:37 <Cadmi> only weak
Oct 22 16:26:46 <pfn> there are many incoming references
Oct 22 16:26:51 <undeadd> is Typeface.createFromFile("/system/fonts/AndroidClock.ttf") = new TypefaceSpan("sans-serif-thin") ? i mean.. is the SAME font produced with that ?
Oct 22 16:26:54 <pfn> don't search common references
Oct 22 16:26:55 <Cadmi> jedir0x which is your stackoverflow post ?
Oct 22 16:27:01 <jedir0x> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18806240/is-my-activity-being-leaked-and-is-it-the-actionbar-thats-doing-it
Oct 22 16:27:08 <undeadd> is Typeface.createFromFile("/system/fonts/AndroidClock.ttf") = new TypefaceSpan("sans-serif-thin") ? i mean.. is the SAME font produced with that ?
Oct 22 16:27:15 <pfn> undeadd, ok, the time it took you to wait and repeat your question; you can answer that by looking in AOSP
Oct 22 16:27:18 <pfn> do not ask it again
Oct 22 16:27:42 <pfn> Cadmi, you have many references, prove it by showing a screenshot of your dumps and trees
Oct 22 16:28:02 <pfn> ugh, did chrome really change their extension api to rename chrome.runtime from chrome.extension?
Oct 22 16:28:08 <Cadmi> pfn i press the option List Objects->with incoming references. Doing that i get multiple references. Then i select the option Path to Gc Roots excluding weak references
Oct 22 16:28:11 <explodes> is there a downside to doing .fooInBackground inside the callbacks of .barInBackground tasks? Lets say I stack them up to 4 or 5 levels deep...
Oct 22 16:28:40 <Moopz> Is it possible to make a multiple choice expandable listview inside a dialog?
Oct 22 16:28:51 <jedir0x> pfn, so you say that the fact that it's a grid view doesn't matter - but i don't want any of the items in the grid obscured
Oct 22 16:28:53 <Cadmi> pfn where can i paste an screenshoot so you can see it ?
Oct 22 16:29:10 <jedir0x> obscured by the top view that is.
Oct 22 16:29:13 <pfn> any number of imagebin type sites
Oct 22 16:29:20 <Cadmi> ok i go
Oct 22 16:29:27 <pfn> jedir0x, I don't know how it's done, but like I said, I know apps that have done it...
Oct 22 16:29:40 <pfn> I could look at the source, but I'm too lazy to connect to my box at home to find it right now
Oct 22 16:29:59 <jedir0x> pfn, instagram does it on iOS (but they have contentInset) - and they don't do it on android.
Oct 22 16:30:06 <pfn> jedir0x, basically, detect scroll in your bottom view, set the height on your top view to be lower, and then animate a size decrease on it
Oct 22 16:30:20 <pfn> if the scroll position in bottom view != 0, animate top to smaller size
Oct 22 16:30:41 <pfn> assuming, bottom view is big enough to fill the entire remaining area
Oct 22 16:31:06 <pfn> lower = smaller
Oct 22 16:31:06 <jedir0x> the bottom view is as big as the screen, the top view sits on top of it.  i put padding in the bottom view so that the first item in the list is visible.
Oct 22 16:31:19 <jedir0x> but padding doesn't work - i need something like ios's "contentInset"
Oct 22 16:31:19 <pfn> that sounds easy then
Oct 22 16:31:29 <pfn> so you're using like a framelayout?
Oct 22 16:31:34 <jedir0x> the padding doesn't scroll with the items - it just sets the top of the scroll
Oct 22 16:31:36 <pfn> that sounds easy, just shrink the top view and reduce the padding
Oct 22 16:31:44 <pfn> when you detect scroll
Oct 22 16:31:49 <jedir0x> right - but then you can't pull it down
Oct 22 16:32:03 <jedir0x> that's exactly what i had done
Oct 22 16:32:06 <pfn> pull it down by detecting a drag gesture on top
Oct 22 16:32:18 <pfn> as for filling up the screen when scrolling up, you can use margin
Oct 22 16:32:20 <pfn> rather than padding
Oct 22 16:32:26 <jedir0x> i'm going to try some other things - i just thought that there might be something obvious that i'm missing.
Oct 22 16:32:27 <pfn> or making the entire area scrollable
Oct 22 16:32:48 <jedir0x> I'm thinking about putting an item in the grid
Oct 22 16:32:50 <Cadmi> Ok! Here we have 1 screenshot of the incoming references to the splashactivitiy instance 1:
Oct 22 16:32:58 <Cadmi> http://picpaste.com/splash1-HMQdNO4a.png
Oct 22 16:33:01 <Cadmi> and now instance 2:
Oct 22 16:33:06 <Cadmi> http://picpaste.com/splash2-ECyWfI0O.png
Oct 22 16:33:18 <pfn> no references?
Oct 22 16:33:20 <pfn> you have 13
Oct 22 16:33:31 <jedir0x> mOnCompletionListener
Oct 22 16:33:33 <Cadmi> sorry pfn i confused, i mean no gc path to root
Oct 22 16:34:03 <Cadmi> jedir0x is mOnCompletionListener the problem ?
Oct 22 16:34:11 <pfn> if it's a samsung phone, yes
Oct 22 16:34:25 <jedir0x> no, i'm not sure - i thought it might be... pfn would know better than I though.
Oct 22 16:34:29 <jedir0x> what's this$0
Oct 22 16:34:35 <jedir0x> what are in there
Oct 22 16:34:59 <pfn> I don't have MAT right now, and I can't be bothered to investigate
Oct 22 16:35:00 <pfn> :p
Oct 22 16:35:11 <Cadmi> ok i show wait please
Oct 22 16:35:24 <tnzr> ugh
Oct 22 16:35:29 <tnzr> I cant get this alpha mask to work right
Oct 22 16:35:33 <jedir0x> send me your dump fil Cadmi, i'll look at it.  i spent a week tracking down something similar recently.
Oct 22 16:35:42 <dragorn> jedir0x: irrelevant to anything, but I can't read that sentence w/out sing-songing it like the nightmare before christmas.  What's this$0?  what's this$0?  ...  just so you know.
Oct 22 16:35:43 <Cadmi> ok thank you very much
Oct 22 16:35:51 <Cadmi> jedir0x how can i send it to you ?
Oct 22 16:36:00 <jedir0x> dragorn, haha.
Oct 22 16:36:10 <tnzr> I have 2 images, one that's the background and one on top of that.. I want to "carve out" an arc on the top image at a varying level of intensity based a third gradient image
Oct 22 16:36:15 <jedir0x> What's this$0, what's this$0 - a fucking memory leak.
Oct 22 16:36:26 <jedir0x> What's this$0, what's this$0 - some code i have to tweak.
Oct 22 16:36:34 <pfn> poetic
Oct 22 16:36:39 <Cadmi> i go by dcc
Oct 22 16:36:55 <jedir0x> no, put it up on dropbox or something like that
Oct 22 16:37:26 <Cadmi> ok
Oct 22 16:39:51 <Cadmi> i have the same problem with next activity, but i guess if i find this i will be able to solve the other
Oct 22 16:39:53 <Baluse2> why first call from httpurlconnection or okhttp is slow?
Oct 22 16:39:53 <Cadmi> jedir0x http://dfiles.eu/files/lemky0naa
Oct 22 16:40:02 <JakeWharton> DNS lookup
Oct 22 16:40:06 <Cadmi> look for SplashActivity
Oct 22 16:40:15 <Baluse2> 1-2 sec?
Oct 22 16:40:28 <Baluse2> it is cached at my router
Oct 22 16:42:22 <Cadmi> jedir0x i tried without it and it doesn't work :(
Oct 22 16:42:53 <jedir0x> Cadmi, give me a second, installing standalone matt
Oct 22 16:43:12 <Cadmi> ok don't worry
Oct 22 16:44:16 <jedir0x> what kind of file is this Cadmi
Oct 22 16:44:28 <undeadd> pfn where can i find it so far ? i am testing it now online
Oct 22 16:45:34 <Cadmi> jedir, you can't open it ?
Oct 22 16:45:39 <pfn> Cadmi, you only have 2 instances of splashactivity in there...
Oct 22 16:45:51 <Cadmi> pfn yes because i only entered to the app two times
Oct 22 16:45:55 <Cadmi> if i enter 5 times
Oct 22 16:45:58 <Cadmi> i will have 5 activities
Oct 22 16:46:16 <pfn> I guess mainreports has 4 instances
Oct 22 16:46:18 <jedir0x> Cadmi, 9 minute wait to download
Oct 22 16:46:28 <Cadmi> jedir0x thx
Oct 22 16:47:00 <Cadmi> pfn 2 instances
Oct 22 16:47:27 <Cadmi> every time i go back from an activiy the instance is in memory
Oct 22 16:47:32 <Cadmi> with all the activities of the program
Oct 22 16:47:55 <Cadmi> If i have for example A, B and C activities and i navigate in this way:
Oct 22 16:48:02 <Cadmi> Home android -> A -> B -> C
Oct 22 16:48:11 <Cadmi> when i am in c i have 1 instance of A, B and C
Oct 22 16:48:13 <Cadmi> that's normal
Oct 22 16:48:18 <Cadmi> if i go back from C to B
Oct 22 16:48:22 <Cadmi> ie: C->B
Oct 22 16:48:26 <jedir0x> Cadmi, can't download from that site
Oct 22 16:48:30 <jedir0x> every click is spam
Oct 22 16:48:42 <Cadmi> i still have the C instance (it isn't in the stack)
Oct 22 16:48:49 <Cadmi> jedir0x ok sorry, let me look for another place
Oct 22 16:48:55 <Cadmi> i just registered there
Oct 22 16:49:25 <Cadmi> ok dropbox
Oct 22 16:50:45 <Cadmi> 1 minute
Oct 22 16:50:49 <Cadmi> uploading
Oct 22 16:51:29 <Cadmi> I think this should work properly: https://www.dropbox.com/s/eu3ulx999d1yos4/android6041651748666619322.hprof
Oct 22 16:51:56 <Cadmi> jedir0x sorry for the other website
Oct 22 16:57:20 <Cadmi> another example for example is:
Oct 22 16:57:53 <Cadmi> Home android-> A -> Home Android -> A -> B
Oct 22 16:57:59 <Cadmi> this produces 2 instances of A in memory
Oct 22 16:58:02 <Cadmi> and 1 of B
Oct 22 16:58:30 <Cadmi> every time i pass through an instance it will be in memory for always :(
Oct 22 16:59:01 <jedir0x> http://gist.github.com -> paste the activity code
Oct 22 17:01:02 <Baluse2> hello
Oct 22 17:01:09 <Baluse2> first call is slow dont know why
Oct 22 17:01:14 <Baluse2> for okhttp
Oct 22 17:01:21 <JakeWharton> DNS resolution
Oct 22 17:01:27 <Baluse2> it isnt dns JakeWharton
Oct 22 17:01:35 <Baluse2> it is cached at router
Oct 22 17:01:44 <Baluse2> i have old phone though
Oct 22 17:01:50 <Baluse2> if i kill it happens
Oct 22 17:01:55 <JakeWharton> don't know then, debug it
Oct 22 17:02:01 <Baluse2> how
Oct 22 17:02:29 <Cadmi> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7104285
Oct 22 17:03:46 <pfn> Cadmi, your references have too much garbage to really identify wtf is happening
Oct 22 17:03:49 <pfn> at least using jhat
Oct 22 17:03:55 <pfn> there's like a jillion textviews in there...
Oct 22 17:05:22 <pfn> remove the garbage, produce a heapdump that has more than 2 instances in memory
Oct 22 17:05:49 <ashu11> how do you differentiate bw billion and jillion when you see bulk
Oct 22 17:05:53 <jedir0x> Cadmi, ShowReports is your problem
Oct 22 17:06:10 <jedir0x> your thread has a handle on it - it leaks the activity
Oct 22 17:06:38 <Cadmi> mm let me see
Oct 22 17:06:52 <jedir0x> _thread = new Thread(new ParameterizedThreadStart(ShowReports));
Oct 22 17:07:53 <Baluse2> any way to make emulator window smaller?
Oct 22 17:08:09 <pfn> emulator @avd -scale 0.5
Oct 22 17:08:11 <pfn> is what I normally do
Oct 22 17:08:19 <Cadmi> jedir0x mm
Oct 22 17:08:24 <Cadmi> i don't understand mm
Oct 22 17:08:28 <Baluse2> dam its too slow
Oct 22 17:10:03 <JakeWharton> Baluse2: use Genymotion and just resize it
Oct 22 17:10:52 <Baluse2> ok but seems slow generaly
Oct 22 17:11:11 <Cadmi> jedir0x i'm going to try with it. I have been trying with another activity much more easy and it happens the same, the code is very short
Oct 22 17:11:19 <Cadmi> https://gist.github.com/discover
Oct 22 17:11:27 <Cadmi> sorry
Oct 22 17:11:28 <Cadmi> no this
Oct 22 17:12:00 <Baluse2> emulator seems to have network wait thing
Oct 22 17:12:03 <Baluse2> not *
Oct 22 17:12:46 <Baluse2> maybe my phone is slow
Oct 22 17:13:00 <Cadmi> sorry this:
Oct 22 17:13:00 <Cadmi> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7104441
Oct 22 17:13:59 <Cadmi> jedir0x it happens with all the activities.. maybe i make errors in all of them
Oct 22 17:14:06 <Cadmi> but with this simple code, it happens also
Oct 22 17:14:14 <Cadmi> the threadump is not updated with this code
Oct 22 17:20:01 <Cadmi> i will continue later, thanks for all
Oct 22 17:31:55 <hdon> hi all. android noob here. the android docs don't seem to describe the android.view.SurfaceView constructors. do i need my own constructors analogous of all three forms of the SurfaceView constructor? what do the AttributeSet and "defStyle" int mean?
Oct 22 17:32:32 <jedir0x> Cadmi, the thread you create leaks your activity via the reference to that method - that's your problem.
Oct 22 17:38:40 <mmarklar> hdon: the AttributeSet + style is the constructor used when its inflated from xml
Oct 22 17:39:13 <hdon> mmarklar, hmm... when does that happen?
Oct 22 17:39:27 <hdon> oh i see
Oct 22 17:39:27 <mmarklar> when you have a <SurfaceView> tag in your layout
Oct 22 17:39:35 <hdon> my MainActivity does it
Oct 22 17:39:41 <hdon> (i created project in eclipse from android project template)
Oct 22 17:39:53 <mmarklar> what exactly are you trying to do?
Oct 22 17:40:00 <hdon> learn, i guess
Oct 22 17:40:11 <mmarklar> just have a surface on the screen where you can draw?
Oct 22 17:40:32 <hdon> yes. i'm using jetboy as a reference, but i don't want to use it as a template.
Oct 22 17:40:45 <mmarklar> ok then I would declare the surface view in your xml layout file
Oct 22 17:40:45 <hdon> is jetboy obsolete if i am targeting gingerbread?
Oct 22 17:40:51 <mmarklar> no clue what jetboy is
Oct 22 17:41:26 <hdon> it's some example android application, copyright 2009 Android Open Source Project
Oct 22 17:41:31 <mmarklar> if you put the view in your layout, after you call setContentView in your activity you can get a reference to the surface using findViewById()
Oct 22 17:41:47 <hdon> ahh, yes i do recall something like that
Oct 22 17:41:54 <mmarklar> and you don't have to worry about constructors or anything like that
Oct 22 17:42:47 <hdon> i previously used findViewById() to gain a reference to a TextView instance
Oct 22 17:42:52 <hdon> in another application
Oct 22 17:43:46 <mmarklar> yup thats a typical way to do things in android
Oct 22 17:45:37 <hdon> doing web development work i usually maintain a reference to any DOM nodes that i need to use in a component, rather than trying to assign them a name and ask the browser to find it for me in a hash table or tree somewhere
Oct 22 17:46:20 <hdon> but that's not really important here i guess..
Oct 22 17:50:43 <jaynewstrom> Anyone going to get the new Mac Pro for development?
Oct 22 17:51:06 <shmooz> never!
Oct 22 17:51:54 <p_l> nah, I have no need for overpriced trashcan
Oct 22 17:52:23 <jaynewstrom> I take it both of you use PCs?
Oct 22 17:52:51 <zquad> is there an sms event listener of some sort?
Oct 22 17:53:04 <p_l> jaynewstrom: I find the new "pro" mac to be an offense to what Mac Pro used to be
Oct 22 17:53:21 <Looney> and I take that you find nothing odd in case someone tries to rip you off your hard earned money
Oct 22 17:53:21 <seand> i think some guy did some infographic on how much macs are overpriced
Oct 22 17:53:35 <seand> a few years ago
Oct 22 17:54:07 <hdon> hmm, i see that the Activity.onKeyDown() and onKeyUp() methods are used to receive user input... in my case i require touch input only
Oct 22 17:54:22 <jaynewstrom> p_l: the new mac pro is way more powerful though. Still expandable, they're just switching to external, not internal. Using thunderbolt
Oct 22 17:54:32 <seand> http://cdn3.tnwcdn.com/files/2010/09/mac01.jpg
Oct 22 17:55:04 <p_l> jaynewstrom: yeah, so now you will end up having a spider web of cables connecting card cages so that you can claim you have small workstation ;)
Oct 22 17:56:09 <p_l> jaynewstrom: in general, Mac Pro doesn't impress me... much
Oct 22 17:56:28 * p_l puts Shania Twain on the headphones
Oct 22 17:56:39 <jaynewstrom> p_l: I agree with the spider web of cables. but, it's a trade off.
Oct 22 17:57:00 <XXCoder> seand: wow thats painful
Oct 22 17:57:03 <p_l> jaynewstrom: for having ... what? A non expandable retarded O2-wannabe?
Oct 22 17:57:27 <seand> XXCoder: yeah. if you want macosx just install it on a pc
Oct 22 17:57:38 <XXCoder> lol did consider hackoish
Oct 22 17:57:42 <XXCoder> but decided not to do it
Oct 22 17:58:05 <p_l> and if you can make it work with AMD, getting 64core machine with half a terabyte of ram might not be that expensive compared to Mac ;)
Oct 22 17:58:10 <seand> not sure what that is. i was talking about buying osx from apple
Oct 22 17:58:29 <p_l> seand: the license forbids installing on anything non-Apple
Oct 22 17:58:32 <XXCoder> hackonish is installing maxosx on some pc laptop
Oct 22 17:58:43 <XXCoder> I cant spell worth crap too
Oct 22 17:58:44 <p_l> and it's hackintosh
Oct 22 17:58:50 <jjnye> JakeWharton: have you caught wind of any problems with Butter Knife and incremental builds?
Oct 22 17:58:53 <XXCoder> ^^ ;)
Oct 22 17:58:59 <JakeWharton> what build system?
Oct 22 17:59:03 <seand> who cares about the license
Oct 22 17:59:06 <seand> fuck apple
Oct 22 17:59:12 <p_l> haha
Oct 22 17:59:27 <XXCoder> apple with hole in it? :P
Oct 22 17:59:51 <shmooz> a wormhole !
Oct 22 17:59:53 <JakeWharton> jjnye: you dragged me in here during an Apple keynote with all these complaining asshats. make it quick :)
Oct 22 18:00:07 <p_l> haha
Oct 22 18:00:27 * p_l is trying to find a channel where he won't get dragged into talking about overpriced trashcans
Oct 22 18:00:28 <XXCoder> imange setting a lecure about discovery of wormhole
Oct 22 18:00:36 <XXCoder> then speaker holds up apple with wormhole in it
Oct 22 18:00:51 <XXCoder> there'll be lots of angry muttering and stuff :P
Oct 22 18:01:26 <jjnye> JakeWharton: okay sorry haha
Oct 22 18:01:35 <seand> JakeWharton wow, shots fired
Oct 22 18:01:53 <jjnye> JakeWharton: vanilla Android Studio Make but with Maven's process-resources
Oct 22 18:01:57 <shmooz> here are much better alternatives to mac  ...  http://www.walmart.com/cp/Trash-Cans-Recycling-Bins/1010739
Oct 22 18:02:42 <JakeWharton> jjnye: there are definitely problems with IJ+Maven. It's never worked fully (but neither has any other apt code-gen library i've used). Gradle's compilation pipeline is much more receptive
Oct 22 18:03:25 <seand> lol shmooz, are those mac alternatives or for mac storage
Oct 22 18:04:03 <jjnye> JakeWharton: Noted. We'll try AS's built-in resource processing for ad-hoc builds and see what happens
Oct 22 18:04:07 <jjnye> JakeWharton: Thanks!
Oct 22 18:05:48 <hdon> hi all. when i override Activity.onTouchEvent(), do i need to call the super() ?
Oct 22 18:06:13 <smartall> Who can help to me ?
Oct 22 18:06:52 <seand> smartall: just ask your question
Oct 22 18:07:08 <smartall> I need buy an app
Oct 22 18:07:11 <smartall> Personal app
Oct 22 18:07:46 <seand> smartall: you want to fund the development for a personal app?
Oct 22 18:07:56 <smartall> Yes
Oct 22 18:08:00 <smartall> I can pay
Oct 22 18:08:20 <SimonVT> No advertising jobs
Oct 22 18:08:45 <smartall> I just need this app
Oct 22 18:08:50 <SimonVT> No
Oct 22 18:08:59 <SimonVT> Not in this channel
Oct 22 18:09:09 <JakeWharton> #android-jobs
Oct 22 18:09:54 <^cheeky> JakeWharton: hey ... it was my fault, i did not implement picasso, right. :( but i am out of time so miss working on the app, when i finally move i hope i have time to finish it .. cheers
Oct 22 18:26:49 <eppo> I'm trying to create recreate a project that I was working on prior to the gradle build, in a new android studio project.  My project uses, android-support-v4, and GooglePlayServices. I've gotten the modules to build fine, (not so sure about the support library), but while building,  as an example, i'm getting "package android.support.v4.app does not exist" in my activity. why cant my activities see the compiled packages?
Oct 22 18:35:23 <m|chael> can anyone help me with a strechted front camera preview window? My code is here http://pastebin.com/d1rk6e8h and on a SGS2 the preview window is strechted. I think I need to stretch the window over the phone screen, but I don't know how to do that
Oct 22 18:37:39 <dragorn> eppo: you need to go to the gui and add it as a lib for the project, then go to build.gradle and add it as a link there too
Oct 22 18:37:59 <dragorn> eppo: I think 0.3.0 has support for doing it all in the gui, but i've heard so much pain from ppl about 0.3.0 that I didn't upgrade yet
Oct 22 18:38:29 <dragorn> eppo: project structure, add the lib to your app module there (is what I mean by 'use the gui')
Oct 22 18:39:14 <pfn> why not just add it to the build.gradle...
Oct 22 18:40:13 <dragorn> pfn: because I think that doesn't link it to the project fully
Oct 22 18:40:19 <dragorn> pfn: you have to do both, in my experience
Oct 22 18:40:30 <pfn> shouldn't have to, just choose refresh project or whatever it is
Oct 22 18:40:32 <pfn> to get it to sync
Oct 22 18:40:33 <JakeWharton> you don't. edit the build.gradle, click refresh in the gradle window
Oct 22 18:40:38 <dragorn> pfn: hm.
Oct 22 18:40:55 <dragorn> maybe this is some weird pseudo-method I have then because it didn't ever work for me the right way :P
Oct 22 18:50:28 * pfn shrugs
Oct 22 18:50:37 <pfn> I'm just continuing to wait for intellij 13
Oct 22 18:50:42 <pfn> and miss out on all the new android features until then
Oct 22 18:50:49 <pfn> I should try out the eap, but haven't wanted to deal with it
Oct 22 18:52:26 <seand> what new android features
Oct 22 18:53:41 <gavilan2> Can I have a checkbox that looks like a button, and show the text like a button?
Oct 22 18:54:37 <Thorbear> I'd list some features, but I'm not sure which ones are already available in intellij, one thing is certain though, I'm not even considering going back to eclipse
Oct 22 18:57:51 <pfn> seand, just the android studio features
Oct 22 18:58:09 <pfn> intellij isn't completely up-to-date with android support
Oct 22 18:58:16 <pfn> but it is practically in 13 eap
Oct 22 18:58:26 <seand> oh, but it does get updated with android support in new versions, right?
Oct 22 18:58:39 <seand> (and will continue to be)
Oct 22 19:10:33 <undeadd> hey
Oct 22 19:10:39 <undeadd> can anyone help me ?
Oct 22 19:11:13 <undeadd> want to change my rom's default keyboard.. just deleted the default one, pasted the newly one and then it isn't auto recognized after flash ..
Oct 22 19:11:41 <SimonVT> #android-root can help you
Oct 22 19:21:41 <chars6> hello
Oct 22 19:21:59 <Julian_B90> Hello
Oct 22 19:22:16 <Julian_B90> Ich have problems with fragments can anyone help me??
Oct 22 19:22:49 <seand> Julian_B90: just ask your question(s)
Oct 22 19:23:53 <undeadd> anyone to help me ?
Oct 22 19:23:54 <Julian_B90> seand: I have a actionBar with 4 Tab
Oct 22 19:24:38 <SimonVT> undeadd: wrong channel
Oct 22 19:24:55 <Julian_B90> seand: and at the moment i get this error No view found for id 0x7f0a0000 (xxx.xxxx:id/fragment_container) for fragment ForexNews{41bb9438 #0 id=0x7f0a0000}
Oct 22 19:26:23 <Julian_B90> seand okay i have found. on my onCreate i muss add the setContentView() method
Oct 22 19:26:27 <Julian_B90> methode
Oct 22 19:27:15 <Julian_B90> seand: But now "Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: The specified child already has a parent. You must call removeView() on the child's parent first."
Oct 22 19:28:43 <seand> Julian_B90 paste your code somewhere
Oct 22 19:29:03 <Julian_B90> wait
Oct 22 19:29:27 <pfn> Julian_B90, inflate(..., container, false)
Oct 22 19:29:41 <Julian_B90> http://pastebin.com/5GGAr6B7
Oct 22 19:30:22 <sreich> what's android's preferred way of e.g. having a listview with editable items (add/remove/change), and populating & committing to a settings file of some kind?
Oct 22 19:30:29 <sreich> settings/config
Oct 22 19:30:39 <sreich> not to be confused with "Settings" menus..
Oct 22 19:30:50 <sreich> looking for something like "oh use json and this adapter"
Oct 22 19:30:59 <Julian_B90> pfn this works. I have no erros
Oct 22 19:31:02 <sreich> (to populate said list, and save to file)
Oct 22 19:31:48 <sreich> sharedpreferences??
Oct 22 19:32:21 <BenOrnstin> Hey, so I have an app that I want to copy files to a clipboard
Oct 22 19:32:25 <BenOrnstin> The files are assets
Oct 22 19:32:35 <BenOrnstin> It seems what I use is contentprovider
Oct 22 19:32:46 <BenOrnstin> And share with clipboard manager
Oct 22 19:33:33 <BenOrnstin> What I want it to do is copy images if the image is selected
Oct 22 19:33:40 <BenOrnstin> So it can be sent via email
Oct 22 19:33:49 <BenOrnstin> Is this nonsense in android?
Oct 22 19:34:08 <BenOrnstin> As in, is copying uri's to the clipboardmanager not meaningful in that way
Oct 22 19:34:27 <gdaniels> sreich: SharedPreferences is basically a persistent hashtable for simple values.  You can use that, or write to the file system, or use the built-in SQLite database.  Whatever's easiest.
Oct 22 19:34:57 <sreich> yeah, former sounds most optimal
Oct 22 19:35:22 <sreich> what's the best way to populate a list with said values? Custom adapter?
Oct 22 19:35:37 <gdaniels> If you have just a few data items, SharedPreferences is reasonably straightforward.  You just have to come up with dynamic keys like ("listLabel" + index), and then make sure to clean them up.
Oct 22 19:35:57 <sreich> right
Oct 22 19:35:58 <Looney> any one know some decent app for saving adb log file on sdcard
Oct 22 19:36:26 <gdaniels> sreich: custom adapter would work fine.
Oct 22 19:37:16 <sreich> well, say i want to have the user add items to a listview, with each item containing a name(/id or whatever), and e.g. 2-3 strings that i need to retrieve later
Oct 22 19:37:28 <sreich> seems less like it's designed for that..
Oct 22 19:37:42 <gdaniels> yeah... it's not really.
Oct 22 19:38:00 <gdaniels> you probably want to look into the database route
Oct 22 19:38:06 <sreich> well, database feels overkill thoguh
Oct 22 19:38:51 <jaynewstrom> sreich: how many items are you talking about?
Oct 22 19:39:04 <sreich> jaynewstrom: very small
Oct 22 19:39:11 <sreich> assuming the user doesn't go overboard
Oct 22 19:39:14 <gdaniels> you can also do files, but Android has a bunch of nice boilerplate for interacting with the DB (i.e. CursorAdapters/Loaders)
Oct 22 19:39:20 <jaynewstrom> 10, 20, 100?
Oct 22 19:39:22 <sreich> so literally like 20 is probably all anyone would ever do
Oct 22 19:39:29 <sreich> and that's for some crazy person
Oct 22 19:39:32 <jaynewstrom> sreich: don't use a database, it's overkill
Oct 22 19:39:35 <sreich> 1-4 would be average
Oct 22 19:39:38 <sreich> yes, i suspected so
Oct 22 19:39:44 <sreich> just do internal storage w// json or sth?
Oct 22 19:39:46 <jaynewstrom> use SharedPreferences
Oct 22 19:39:59 <sreich> eh? how would you store it then?
Oct 22 19:40:40 <gdaniels> If you have name/address, say, you can 1) store "name1" and "address1", or 2) store a chunk of json
Oct 22 19:40:54 <sreich> i wish it'd just let me store a map and i could just have item1: [ str1: "blargh"; str2: "blahrg ]
Oct 22 19:41:03 <sreich> oh okay
Oct 22 19:41:08 <gdaniels> sreich: so do that with jsonObject.toString()
Oct 22 19:41:29 <sreich> perhaps i'll try sharedprefs first, and your suggestion
Oct 22 19:41:36 <jaynewstrom> for a small data set I agree with gdaniels
Oct 22 19:41:43 <sreich> thanks
Oct 22 19:42:56 <gdaniels> gotta scoot - laters all!
Oct 22 19:46:13 <g00s> does dvm implement String.intern() ?
Oct 22 19:47:25 <tonyMontana9099> hey guys
Oct 22 19:48:03 <chars6> i have a menu with 2 items. one opens it's activity, the other crashes the program
Oct 22 19:48:20 <sreich> i don't think i like your second item
Oct 22 19:48:21 <chars6> the strange this is, the one that crashes is the one i made first, and it worked fine before
Oct 22 19:48:28 <chars6> me neither
Oct 22 19:48:37 <tonyMontana9099> sreich probably null pointer
Oct 22 19:48:54 <tonyMontana9099> chars6 http://imgur.com/jacoj
Oct 22 19:48:59 <chars6> i think these are the relevane errors
Oct 22 19:49:09 <sreich> tonyMontana9099: hehe indeed
Oct 22 19:49:15 <undeadd> need someone experienced with modding android.policy.jar.. getting bootloop..
Oct 22 19:49:40 <tonyMontana9099> notifyDataSetChanged(); shows wrong items when called from filter class
Oct 22 19:49:42 <chars6> E/AndroidRuntime(  919): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.example.project/com.example.project.Profile}: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #2: Error inflating class menu
Oct 22 19:50:13 <tonyMontana9099> however, just before calling notifyDataSetChanged() i do a for loop with logs, and I get the needed items correct
Oct 22 19:50:16 <chars6> this spot here: com.example.project/com.example.project.Profile looks like it might be it
Oct 22 19:50:23 <sreich> ok, and what's the contents of the xml file?
Oct 22 19:51:12 <chars6> <menu> <item> <item> </menu>
Oct 22 19:51:23 <sreich> -_-
Oct 22 19:51:29 <chars6> items have assigned id, icon, and title
Oct 22 19:51:31 <sreich> pastebin the entire contents..
Oct 22 19:51:35 <chars6> ok
Oct 22 19:51:38 <tonyMontana9099> chars6 ever heard of pastebin ? yeah me too.
Oct 22 19:51:43 <sreich> tonyMontana9099: it could've been worse
Oct 22 19:51:58 <sreich> after i sent that message i mostly expected to drown in 100 lines of xml
Oct 22 19:51:58 <tonyMontana9099> sreich lol
Oct 22 19:52:13 <tonyMontana9099> sreich people can surpirse you. :)
Oct 22 19:52:16 <sreich> hehe
Oct 22 19:52:18 <tonyMontana9099> sreich did you see my problem ?
Oct 22 19:52:22 <tonyMontana9099> sreich any hints ?
Oct 22 19:52:32 <sreich> no, i'm literally doing my first android app now :D
Oct 22 19:52:35 <chars6> http://pastebin.com/ywhjWebm
Oct 22 19:52:39 <sreich> just did a hello world ;p
Oct 22 19:53:05 <tonyMontana9099> sreich nice.
Oct 22 19:53:11 <tonyMontana9099> sreich all the best mate
Oct 22 19:53:19 <sreich> cheers
Oct 22 19:56:27 <chars6> my BaseActivity looks like this http://pastebin.com/XZrESuMU
Oct 22 19:56:37 <ahmedbodz>  hey guys would it be okay for me to ask for help with some bitcoin related android code or offer some cash for someone to do it for me?
Oct 22 19:56:52 <chars6> manage is the one that's working correctly and profile crashes
Oct 22 19:57:03 <tonyMontana9099> ahmedbodz : No bots, and no advertising please, jobs or otherwise
Oct 22 19:57:41 <ahmedbodz> tonyMontana9099 so even asking if its okay to ask for help is offlimits?
Oct 22 19:58:16 <tonyMontana9099> well, donno
Oct 22 19:58:37 <ahmedbodz> lool i dunno
Oct 22 19:58:46 <VonKranke> ahmedbodz: Soliciting money for services in any channel is generally frowned upon.
Oct 22 19:59:27 <undeadd> android.policy.jar bootloop.. anyone?
Oct 22 19:59:28 <tonyMontana9099> ahmedbodz try freelancer.com
Oct 22 19:59:36 <ahmedbodz> VonKranke i understand thats why i asked first rather than just posting it
Oct 22 19:59:49 <VonKranke> sigh
Oct 22 20:00:03 <sreich> is it really that complicated? -_-
Oct 22 20:00:13 <sreich> or are you just being sarcastic
Oct 22 20:00:21 <ahmedbodz> :L
Oct 22 20:00:24 <ahmedbodz> neither
Oct 22 20:04:02 <chars6> the other error says "Error inflating class menu", but menu isn't a class
Oct 22 20:04:23 <tonyMontana9099> "some times things get complicated." - deadmau5
Oct 22 20:04:49 <chars6> well, i guess the first one did too
Oct 22 20:08:28 <donavan01> I am getting ready to set up ADT on my new machine and start building for the firs6t time.  I noticed that there is a program called Android Studio but its still in in early access preview.  Is this something I should bother with or just skip it until I get more development under my belt
Oct 22 20:09:31 <sreich> i'm trying it right now and it's quite awesome
Oct 22 20:09:32 <g00s> donavan01 i'd skip it for now
Oct 22 20:09:36 <sreich> intellij is pretty nice
Oct 22 20:09:59 <sreich> but for some "this is my job" app i wouldn't chance it
Oct 22 20:10:17 <chars6> anyone have advice on my menu problem?
Oct 22 20:10:35 <sreich> and intellij even has a vim plugin
Oct 22 20:10:43 <sreich> which is great and was hassle free, out of the box
Oct 22 20:11:03 <sreich> even had a configuration to go into "act like kde's vim bindings" which was kewl
Oct 22 20:11:07 <donavan01> any other goodies I must have that isnt specifically lined out on the developers site
Oct 22 20:11:13 <sreich> `(and eclipse is terrrriible)
Oct 22 20:11:47 <sreich> there's a really neat view which shows you what your xml file turns into, ui-wise
Oct 22 20:11:55 <sreich> though i imagine ADT has/had that anyways?
Oct 22 20:12:21 <donavan01> ok im looking for the easiest to learn way to go so is eclipse not very freindly or something
Oct 22 20:12:42 <seand> sreich: intellij and android studio are different IDEs
Oct 22 20:13:20 <TRomeo> seand: android studio is forked from intellij though, it would be more accurate to call it "Intellij + android studio"
Oct 22 20:13:38 <sreich> seand: android studio rebases periodically from it, actually
Oct 22 20:13:40 <seand> which is not what he did
Oct 22 20:13:43 <Baluse2> i hope android studio to be able to generate apk for store
Oct 22 20:14:06 <sreich> seand: yes, except i said "intellij even has a vim plugin"
Oct 22 20:14:10 <sreich> which still holds true for android studio
Oct 22 20:14:20 <sreich> being pedantic about it seems a bit fruitless..
Oct 22 20:14:23 <seand> you also said you wouldn't use it for a professional app
Oct 22 20:14:29 <seand> which is stupid
Oct 22 20:14:30 <sreich> android studio..
Oct 22 20:14:42 <seand> so refer to it as android studio, not intellij
Oct 22 20:14:46 <seand> intellij is highly stable
Oct 22 20:14:55 <sreich> you clearly didn't read
Oct 22 20:15:05 <seand> [16:09:31] <sreich> intellij is pretty nice
Oct 22 20:15:05 <seand> [16:09:55] <sreich> but for some "this is my job" app i wouldn't chance it
Oct 22 20:15:05 <sreich> oh, nevermind
Oct 22 20:15:25 <sreich> yes, i was implicitly context switching
Oct 22 20:15:38 <sreich> anyways, being pedantic about it seems like a waste of time. but that seems like what you want to do
Oct 22 20:15:52 <seand> it gets confused often in this channel
Oct 22 20:16:00 <sreich> oh
Oct 22 20:16:11 <sreich> i see your annoyance with it then..
Oct 22 20:16:16 <pragma-> being pedantic is never a waste of time.
Oct 22 20:16:26 <pragma-> only the stupid and ignorant think so.
Oct 22 20:16:44 <sreich> pragma-: your name is quite fitting
Oct 22 20:17:07 <sreich> i guess i forget that most are too dumb to know the difference between things, beyond marketing/shiny download button
Oct 22 20:18:01 <seand> being "pedantic" is necessary in programming anyway because bugs are sometimes subtle and require an attention to detail
Oct 22 20:18:17 <sreich> yes, but social interactions it is basically the inverse ;)
Oct 22 20:19:57 <seand> i don't approach interaction on irc the same way i do in real life
Oct 22 20:20:20 <seand> because it's completely different
Oct 22 20:20:42 <SuD> so when the program crashes it should add: "i hate to say that i was right but ... i was right"
Oct 22 20:34:52 <g00s> heh, somebody on google+ android developer tools is having an issue with AS 0.3.0 and OS X 10.9; what a canary :)
Oct 22 20:36:44 <Foxandxss> g00s: oh, someone in twitter is crying too
Oct 22 20:36:48 <Foxandxss> let's me try
Oct 22 20:37:48 <g00s> i'm excited about 10.9 but will wait for .1, which will probably come in 2 weeks ;)
Oct 22 20:40:59 <Foxandxss> g00s: so far, so good
Oct 22 20:41:40 <chars6> i found it.
Oct 22 20:41:51 <chars6> one of the classes needed to import android.view.Menu;
Oct 22 20:44:01 <sreich> could someone look at this file, tell me where R.drawable.bug comes from? http://stellarwavedev.com/2012/05/android-custom-arrayadapter-text-and-icon/ It's literally nowhere on the page and then he uses it out of thin air..
Oct 22 20:48:11 <seand> sreich: it's just an icon he has in the drawable-Xdpi folders, called bug.png or something
Oct 22 20:49:14 <seand> at least, i've always used png files as icons
Oct 22 20:55:03 <sreich> seand: okay
Oct 22 20:55:08 <sreich> yeah, png ftw
Oct 22 20:59:16 <Foxandxss> Tried to read commonsware book, too dense
Oct 22 21:02:47 <g00s> Foxandxss really? i thought it was too fluffy
Oct 22 21:03:15 <seand> i like the amount of detail
Oct 22 21:03:39 <Foxandxss> yes, but that makes it really really slow. I am with other book atm, but I will go back to commonsware
Oct 22 21:04:36 <seand> i haven't actually read it, i just use it as a reference guide and go straight to the chapter/section i need
Oct 22 21:04:39 <michalrus> Hi! Maybe this is a silly question, but how do I find the exact, physical location of an .apk given its package name?
Oct 22 21:04:53 <Foxandxss> seand: for that is awesome
Oct 22 21:08:07 <RyanM> michalrus: should be physically whereever the phone's storage chip is
Oct 22 21:08:18 <michalrus> RyanM, ;-)
Oct 22 21:08:24 <RyanM> kidding. adb shell pm path package.name.here
Oct 22 21:08:29 <michalrus> RyanM, <3!
Oct 22 21:08:52 <michalrus> Thanks. :}
Oct 22 21:09:00 <RyanM> no problem
Oct 22 21:09:52 <Foxandxss> What minSDK do you use? I am reading a post about using 14 as min
Oct 22 21:11:58 <michalrus> shell@android:/ # pm uninstall eu.chainfire.supersu
Oct 22 21:11:59 <michalrus> pm uninstall eu.chainfire.supersu
Oct 22 21:11:59 <michalrus> Failure
Oct 22 21:11:59 <michalrus> shell@android:/ #
Oct 22 21:12:00 <michalrus> O_O
Oct 22 21:12:41 <michalrus> (Ah, remount, nevermind.)
Oct 22 21:17:15 <BenOrnstin> I think now that Eclipse crashes every time I try to do anything consequential, it's time to switch to Intellij
Oct 22 21:18:59 <Baluse2> lol
Oct 22 21:19:04 * Baluse2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ZDqe5j4q8
Oct 22 21:19:19 <Baluse2> every time i see here they talk about eclipse or android studio :P
Oct 22 21:19:51 <Baluse2> i feel happier with android studio, with eclipse was a pain
Oct 22 21:21:15 <pfn> michalrus, for system apps, /data/system/packages.xml
Oct 22 21:21:35 <pfn> michalrus, did you switch plugins?  ;-)
Oct 22 21:24:45 <Foxandxss> android studio is good, needs a lot of work, but it is good
Oct 22 21:30:12 <J_Caselles> hi
Oct 22 21:30:33 <Baluse2> needs fix for gradle
Oct 22 21:30:47 <Baluse2> designer seems better than eclipse at all means
Oct 22 21:31:49 <Foxandxss> I find easier to use xml :P
Oct 22 21:33:31 <J_Caselles> hey, does Google Maps API show ads in the bottom of the MapView, or these apps I've seen just added the ads for themselves? Does anybody know anything about that?
Oct 22 21:34:14 <g00s> interesting question indeed
Oct 22 21:35:07 <seand> J_Caselles: i use map fragments in my app and they don't have ads. never used a MapView before and not sure how it differs
Oct 22 21:35:27 <J_Caselles> seand: ok, that seems reasonable
Oct 22 21:36:41 <Baluse2> what is alternative to singleton ?
Oct 22 21:37:31 <Baluse2> i want a class that i dont want to keep state but because of expensive initialization
Oct 22 21:37:34 <Baluse2> and some caching
Oct 22 21:37:46 <Baluse2> that means that if it gets destroyed isnt a problem
Oct 22 21:37:58 <Baluse2> but i dont want to write code to create it every time
Oct 22 21:38:57 <J_Caselles> seand: They should be the same. It was really bothering me, because those are crappy apps, I wasn't expecting their developers to add ads to it, and the ads are only shown below the map, not in any other place of the app
Oct 22 21:39:58 <seand> weird, i guess they just added them to the activities with maps? i haven't used ads in an app before so i don't even know how you add them
Oct 22 21:42:30 <michalrus> pfn, no, not yet. :< However, I have not touched any Android codebase from that day. Moved to developing backend (Akka + Spray) for a while.
Oct 22 21:43:34 <michalrus> pfn, and my question got asked because of me setting up a new phone for dev.
Oct 22 21:43:39 <michalrus> :}
Oct 22 21:44:22 <michalrus> But as soon as I'm back to android dev, I'm switching.
Oct 22 21:44:41 <michalrus> 6 s. <3
Oct 22 21:47:21 <pfn> indeed
Oct 22 21:48:21 <undeadd> is tehere
Oct 22 21:48:23 <undeadd> any SOUL
Oct 22 21:48:26 <undeadd> that can help me
Oct 22 21:48:31 <undeadd> replacing my rom's keyboard ???
Oct 22 21:49:16 <bankai_> install a new one
Oct 22 21:49:32 <undeadd> lol
Oct 22 21:49:37 <undeadd> bankai_ kidding ?
Oct 22 21:49:49 <undeadd> want it to come flashed as the new default one
Oct 22 21:50:08 <bankai_> not a question for this channel then - #android-root
Oct 22 21:50:28 <undeadd> no one
Oct 22 21:50:30 <undeadd> answers me
Oct 22 21:51:47 <RyanM> does anyone know if it's possible to detect that an action chooser doesn't have any available options?
Oct 22 21:53:40 <RyanM> action chooser = intent chooser
Oct 22 21:56:02 <ad0le> Evening everyone, I have a best practice question I was hoping you guys could help with. I need to ship a database with my application (quite a large one). That actual database file is around 50 megs with the data already inserted.... the script that creates the database is MUCH larger at 75 meg (including inserts into tables). If I zip the database file and throw it into assets it clocks
Oct 22 21:56:02 <ad0le> in at 10 meg and the script (if zipped) clocks in at 3 meg. Given that info, what is the best practice for including the data in the APK? Downloading the data after the application is installed IS NOT AN OPTION.
Oct 22 21:58:25 <Napalm> ad0le: http://developer.android.com/google/play/expansion-files.html
Oct 22 21:59:15 <ad0le> I should have stated I was trying to avoid that as well.
Oct 22 22:00:04 <Napalm> why?
Oct 22 22:00:05 <Napalm> lol
Oct 22 22:00:27 <ad0le> because I dont want to put the burden on the user
Oct 22 22:00:47 <Napalm> i am still not following here
Oct 22 22:01:10 <Napalm> you want to ship a database with your app
Oct 22 22:01:16 <Napalm> but you want the application small
Oct 22 22:01:33 <Napalm> what is the problem?
Oct 22 22:01:47 <ad0le> I dont mean that, I dont want the user to be burdended with downloading a seperate APK
Oct 22 22:01:52 <Napalm> they dont
Oct 22 22:01:54 <Napalm> its automatic
Oct 22 22:02:10 <ad0le> ok, maybe I need to read you link more carefully
Oct 22 22:02:31 <Napalm> and if you dont want it seperate then you have to make your data set smaller or do something else
Oct 22 22:03:38 <jaynewstrom> Whats the best JSON parser. I need speed. current data set takes 7 seconds to parse using the default android json parser
Oct 22 22:03:56 <ad0le> id like to just attach the zipped script to create the database.... unfortunately it upzips to 70 meg and creates a 50 meg file... at some point making the disk footprint 70meg+50meg+apk size
Oct 22 22:04:59 <Napalm> jaynewstrom: stream token parse it with gson or jackson
Oct 22 22:05:52 <ad0le> I can vouch for Jackson... very fast (http://jackson.codehaus.org/)
Oct 22 22:06:01 <jaynewstrom> Napalm: I'm reading jackson is much faster. also, what is "stream token parse"
Oct 22 22:06:52 <Napalm> ad0le: sounds like you should stream the recompiled database from a source online to the device.. the stream is gzipped.. so the downloaded amount is 50MB but the storage is 70MB of disk space and the APK is only 3MB or whatever
Oct 22 22:08:51 <explodes> APK is 5GB
Oct 22 22:09:19 <ad0le> after reading your first response and link... looks like thats the way to go. I was under the impression the use would have to install a separate apk. If google is willing to host it for free and its transparent to the user; I don't see a downside. Thank you very much for the help.
Oct 22 22:17:32 <desmin88> what does apk containt that its 5gb :O
Oct 22 22:17:43 <Napalm> fuck off
Oct 22 22:17:48 <Napalm> you cant be serious
Oct 22 22:18:25 <desmin88> what?
Oct 22 22:18:34 <Napalm> 5GB apk
Oct 22 22:18:35 <Napalm> lol
Oct 22 22:18:46 <desmin88> are you telling me to fuck off or him?
Oct 22 22:18:48 <Baluse2> game ?
Oct 22 22:18:53 <Napalm> him
Oct 22 22:19:52 <pfn> well, there were ios apks that were 10gb, weren't there
Oct 22 22:19:55 <pfn> er
Oct 22 22:19:56 <pfn> ipas
Oct 22 22:20:52 <pfn> Xe on ios, I remember being frigging huge
Oct 22 22:21:10 <pfn> elements, not Xe
Oct 22 22:21:19 <pfn> oh, only 1.72gb
Oct 22 22:23:21 <RyanM> multi-GB apps aren't *un*common
Oct 22 22:23:41 <RyanM> Though the ones I've seen are all 3D games
Oct 22 22:27:05 <eydaimon> Any idea why I'm getting this error but no output of what's wrong anywhere? http://d.pr/i/HJdB  I have no idea what I'm supposed to fix ...
Oct 22 22:27:43 <bankai_> your project has errors, i suggest fixing them
Oct 22 22:29:29 <desmin88> bankai_, Astute observational skills friend.
Oct 22 22:30:02 <bankai_> :)
Oct 22 22:30:04 <eydaimon> bankai_: since you're so observational, tell me what the errors are
Oct 22 22:30:11 <eydaimon> or tell me how to find out
Oct 22 22:30:22 <bankai_> you've given absolutely NO information, how can anyone even hint at an answer?
Oct 22 22:31:07 <desmin88> lol.
Oct 22 22:31:30 <seand> bankai_ come on, you can do it
Oct 22 22:31:33 <desmin88> Yeah let me zero in on the exact problem with your informative error dialog.
Oct 22 22:32:51 <bankai_> i can see a red exclamation mark and i think XML, so i'm going to suggest looking at that
Oct 22 22:32:51 <explodes> I heard that "final" variables read faster, so I'm putting final everywhere that I can. Am I being ridiculous?
Oct 22 22:32:59 <desmin88> explodes: yes
Oct 22 22:33:04 <explodes> Really?
Oct 22 22:33:06 <explodes> why
Oct 22 22:33:26 <seand> yes "final" variables read faster or yes he's being ridikalous
Oct 22 22:33:27 <eydaimon> bankai_: Did you even read what I wrote?
Oct 22 22:33:43 <desmin88> seand: lol
Oct 22 22:33:44 <desmin88> yes hes being ridikalous
Oct 22 22:34:00 <seand> mmm that's sum ridikalousness
Oct 22 22:34:04 <eydaimon> bankai_: I said that there *IS* no other information.  It just tells me there's an error, but there's absolutely NO information to give.
Oct 22 22:34:28 <eydaimon> all I see is that stupic exclamation point
Oct 22 22:34:37 <seand> eydaimon: usually when i see that exclamation error in eclipse it means there's some missing dependency
Oct 22 22:35:06 <seand> check Project -> Properties, then Java Build Path?
Oct 22 22:35:07 <icedp> eydaimon: did you read console window?
Oct 22 22:35:13 <eydaimon> icedp: yeah, it's got nothing
Oct 22 22:35:15 <eydaimon> seand: thanks
Oct 22 22:35:40 <eydaimon> seand: you were right, that's it. It's listing that there are missing libs there
Oct 22 22:35:43 <desmin88> explodes: You really think any super small, minute increased "read" time, if there even one exists, is nothing compared to all the other overhead you probably have
Oct 22 22:35:44 <seand> eydaimon: the Errors view might show something. Window > Show View > Error log
Oct 22 22:35:46 <eydaimon> seand: thanks!
Oct 22 22:35:55 <eydaimon> seand: error log was empty
Oct 22 22:36:08 <eydaimon> seand: there was no clue aside from now that I opened and looked at the build path
Oct 22 22:36:25 <desmin88> explodes: thats on the tune of micro-optimization and isn't worth it really
Oct 22 22:36:25 <seand> is the Problems view empty too?
Oct 22 22:36:41 <explodes> desmin88: ##java is saying that final USED to read faster.
Oct 22 22:36:58 <desmin88> ok
Oct 22 22:37:00 <desmin88> past tense
Oct 22 22:37:01 <seand> but now it reads slower, right?
Oct 22 22:37:13 <desmin88> also
Oct 22 22:37:19 <explodes> no, now it makes no difference
Oct 22 22:37:19 <desmin88> what do you even mean by "reads" faster
Oct 22 22:37:29 <eydaimon> seand: uh, no, that was noot empty, but it was hidden, so I didn't see it until you asked. :/
Oct 22 22:38:00 <explodes> desmin pulls the variable out of some location in memory fast
Oct 22 22:38:07 <seand> eydaimon: yeah for some reason that doesn't pop up automatically when you get those kinds of errors
Oct 22 22:38:54 <seand> explodes: what is this "reads" you speak of? next you'll be telling us you can also perform "writes" without a computer
Oct 22 22:38:59 <desmin88> lol.
Oct 22 22:39:04 <seand> with*
Oct 22 22:39:18 <explodes> read is a class of java bytecodes
Oct 22 22:39:24 <explodes> so is write
Oct 22 22:39:35 <seand> i was kidding
Oct 22 22:39:49 <explodes> thanks for that?
Oct 22 22:40:03 <seand> reading/writing variabies... kinda basic machine code stuff. i was making fun of desmin88
Oct 22 22:40:26 <desmin88> hehe
Oct 22 22:40:53 <eydaimon> seand: thanks, I'll know next time :)
Oct 22 22:41:05 <J_Caselles> does Google Maps API generate too much overload? I have the option to load from url a lightweight picture of a map instead of using Google Maps, but if GM is not much resource hungry, I'd choose it...
Oct 22 22:43:11 <bankai_> depends what you're planning on doing, do you want the interactive map ?
Oct 22 22:44:32 <J_Caselles> well, it's not a requirement, but it would be better if
Oct 22 22:44:54 <bankai_> i think the advantages of an interactive map outweigh the overhead
Oct 22 22:46:24 <J_Caselles> bankai_: thanks
Oct 22 22:46:38 <J_Caselles> I'll try it then
Oct 22 22:58:32 <Xonk> I have a ListView that has a click listener that works fine, unless I add a ToggleButton to the row layout.  At that point, the toggle button works fine, but the click even will no longer fire for the row, even if I click on another part of the row.  Any ideas?
Oct 22 23:00:06 <eydaimon> seand: so the project i'm working on consists of many packages in the src folder. they seem to reference eachother but I can't understand why it's not finding the source code for them. ANy ideas?
Oct 22 23:01:44 <seand> you just copied the source tree for other projects along with your code?
Oct 22 23:02:47 <eydaimon> I don't have any code. I pulled down a project for work and i'm trying to get it to compile
Oct 22 23:03:30 <eydaimon> nm, I see it now
Oct 22 23:05:14 <eydaimon> Project X is missing required java project Y. hm. not sure how to assicoate them tho
Oct 22 23:07:32 <seand> eydaimon: are they different projects in the eclipse workspace?
Oct 22 23:08:06 <eydaimon> seand: they are, but I noticed now that one of them didn't import with the correct name, so I renamed it
Oct 22 23:08:11 <eydaimon> that seems to have fixed some issues
Oct 22 23:08:28 <seand> if so, you can open project properties for project X, go to java build path > projects, add projext Y
Oct 22 23:08:34 <eydaimon> Now the only error I have is "Invalid character constant"
Oct 22 23:08:37 <seand> oh
Oct 22 23:08:53 <eydaimon> doesn't seem to like this: '£'
Oct 22 23:09:10 <eydaimon> is there some UTF-8 setting or something?
Oct 22 23:10:02 <seand> good question, i'm not sure
Oct 22 23:11:57 <Thorbear> IntelliJ?
Oct 22 23:12:05 <seand> eclipse
Oct 22 23:13:11 <eydaimon> i just deleted the character. I just want to see if it builds. ANd it's launching now.
Oct 22 23:13:23 <eydaimon> yepp, it works. Looks like I solved all the other issues :)
Oct 22 23:13:29 <eydaimon> but it will be good to know how to fix that
Oct 22 23:14:27 <Anthaas> Guys, I need a word which means "to make mandatory" - usually a word ending in "-isation"
Oct 22 23:15:15 <brimpa> compulsory
Oct 22 23:15:17 <Anthaas> Or "to make compulsory"
Oct 22 23:15:29 <brimpa> ha
Oct 22 23:15:33 <Anthaas> I need the form that would normally take the form "-isation"
Oct 22 23:15:42 <orospakr> hey, what is internal-plugins?
Oct 22 23:16:00 <orospakr> The build.gradle for the Gradle-based "New Build System" appears to depend on it.
Oct 22 23:16:08 <brimpa> Anthaas: require?
Oct 22 23:16:33 <Anthaas> Hmm, I wanted something a little more demanding
Oct 22 23:17:01 <seand> Anthaas: obligation
Oct 22 23:17:06 <seand> also: http://thesaurus.com/browse/require
Oct 22 23:17:23 <brimpa> Anthaas: Necessitate?
Oct 22 23:17:26 <Anthaas> Not sure if obligation says "MUST" enoug
Oct 22 23:17:32 <Anthaas> Hmm, necessitation might be a good one
Oct 22 23:17:38 <Anthaas> Keep coming with words though - these are great
Oct 22 23:17:45 <Anthaas> Im looking for a word for a report, and it must be one word haha
Oct 22 23:17:49 <brimpa> Not sure these words are good for UX.
Oct 22 23:18:18 <Anthaas> Its not a UX word
Oct 22 23:20:26 <Anthaas> There really needs to be a word invented - either mandation, mandorilisation, or something
Oct 22 23:21:02 <icedp> Anthaas: what do you want to say, show some context
Oct 22 23:21:15 <Anthaas> Ummm
Oct 22 23:21:21 <Anthaas> This questionnaire was made mandatory
Oct 22 23:21:30 <Anthaas> So a good subheading might be this word
Oct 22 23:22:52 <icedp> what's wrong with Required ?
Oct 22 23:22:55 <seand> "was made mandatory"?
Oct 22 23:23:30 <Anthaas> Needs to be a verb
Oct 22 23:23:34 <seand> Anthaas why do you need a one-word title. what is this, an achievement
Oct 22 23:23:37 <Anthaas> or whatever that kind of word is
Oct 22 23:23:49 <Anthaas> "Was Made Mandatory" is not a good subheading
Oct 22 23:23:49 <seand> that's a noun
Oct 22 23:24:10 <seand> oh it's a subheading, so what's the heading?
Oct 22 23:24:11 <Anthaas> The "This questionnaire..." part would be part of the text falling under that subheading
Oct 22 23:24:23 <seand> oh
Oct 22 23:24:24 <Anthaas> There is a heading above it which this falls into
Oct 22 23:27:35 <Anthaas> Ive gone with necessitation but would have preferred something different...
Oct 22 23:28:05 <icedp> it's not a verb
Oct 22 23:28:13 <icedp> and that's not how English works
Oct 22 23:28:17 <Anthaas> Its not supposed to be
Oct 22 23:28:30 <icedp>  Anthaas | Needs to be a verb
Oct 22 23:28:59 <Anthaas> Anthaas | or whatever that kind of word is
Oct 22 23:29:19 <icedp> so word needs to be a word - ok
Oct 22 23:29:21 <icedp> fair enough
Oct 22 23:29:33 <Anthaas> Imposition is a better word
Oct 22 23:30:26 <Anthaas> Thanks for your help anyway :-)
Oct 22 23:31:03 <J_Caselles> Hey guys, does it make sence to you to disable some feature on low-level devices based on their sdk version? (something like: gingerbread devices will most certainly be low-level devices, therefore I don't want to run "x" on them)
Oct 22 23:31:16 <Anthaas> You can do
Oct 22 23:31:28 <J_Caselles> or it is too much assuming?
Oct 22 23:31:30 <Anthaas> I think there is a requirement annotation
Oct 22 23:31:37 <Anthaas> Or you can restrict the API level the device runs on
Oct 22 23:33:27 <J_Caselles> Anthaas: yes, here is the picture: I can use either google maps API or a plain picture of a map. Would it be wise to use GM API only to honeycomb+, and download a plain picture on gingerbread or less? or this is just silly?
Oct 22 23:33:58 <seand> J_Caselles you can add runtime checks: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Build.VERSION.html#SDK_INT
Oct 22 23:34:24 <JimmyCarter> massive heterogenuous hardware landscape with virtually no assitance from supposed ecosystem guardians is a cluster bombing in a zen garden
Oct 22 23:34:26 <icedp> J_Caselles: makes sense, but gingerbread devices can be fairy different in power as well compared to each other; but they are less powerful then 4.0+ of course
Oct 22 23:35:05 <J_Caselles> seand: yes, I know, just want to know if assuming gingerbread devices are low-level and honeycomb+ are high-level is or not acurate
Oct 22 23:35:14 <seand> oh
Oct 22 23:35:35 <g00s> JimmyCarter 'supposed ecosystem guardian' … i love it; good quip
Oct 22 23:35:44 <J_Caselles> JimmyCarter: indeed
Oct 22 23:37:40 <J_Caselles> Do you know any other way to check if it is a low-powered device?
Oct 22 23:38:43 <JimmyCarter> google needs to buy every single android device that they have in their play store hardware configuration
Oct 22 23:38:50 <JimmyCarter> and provide service where i give them apk and they run it on them all
Oct 22 23:39:10 <g00s> some of the oems provide a testing service like that
Oct 22 23:39:10 <JimmyCarter> DO IT or you dont care about developers
Oct 22 23:40:51 <J_Caselles> I am not being overprotective, right? I don't want an old galaxy ace to run Google Maps API for a rather secondary feature
Oct 22 23:40:54 <g00s> JimmyCarter but google seems to be trying to reign in fragmentation; there was an excellent article about it in ars the other day. the downside is that android becomes less open
Oct 22 23:41:43 <JimmyCarter> i dont really care if its fragmented if they can test them all for me and tell me which ones are good and what goes wrong w others
Oct 22 23:41:57 <JimmyCarter> well being non fragment has advantages
Oct 22 23:42:46 <Anthaas> Devils advocate here - you are the developer, and they want a unrestricted development platform, why should the onus to do that be on them?
Oct 22 23:45:27 <JimmyCarter> behold!  for i hath decreed it.
Oct 22 23:46:50 <g00s> JimmyCarter a good policy i think that has worked well for me; only give a shit commensurate with the amount you feel google gives a shit ;)
Oct 22 23:48:32 <Baluse2> hello
Oct 22 23:48:44 <Baluse2> does downcasting causes performance issues?
Oct 22 23:49:46 <desmin88> g00s: i have to do a complete redesign of my cards
Oct 22 23:54:28 <chars6> i want to create an activity that displays a list of objects (however many the user has entered) and an option to make more at the end. do i want to use fragments for this?
Oct 22 23:55:55 <chars6> developer.android.com stresses that fragments are for different sized screens. is there something else I'd want to use for what I'm doing
Oct 22 23:58:54 <desmin88> fragments just arent for different sized screens
Oct 22 23:59:28 <jug6ernaut> fragments are for reusable ui components
Oct 22 23:59:35 <chars6> ok
Oct 23 00:00:26 <icedp> ..which is useful for displaying on differently sized screens as well
Oct 23 00:04:26 <chars6> fragments were added in 3.0, what was used before that?
Oct 23 00:04:47 <chars6> i've developing for 2.3
Oct 23 00:04:54 <J_Caselles> activities
Oct 23 00:05:05 <eghdk> This question is for SimonVT or anyone that has been around for me creating my custom bubble layouts. I am drawing them programatically, so far I have been able to draw them just fine, but I want to draw the stroke and fill as two different colors. How would I go about doing that?
Oct 23 00:05:48 <desmin88> chars6: there are compat libraries for fragments, too
Oct 23 00:08:08 <J_Caselles> chars6: fragments allow you to divide the layout into diferent spaces, as if they were different sub-activities shown at once
Oct 23 00:09:37 <J_Caselles> chars6: and you can still have just one fragment at a time on small screens
Oct 23 00:13:39 <J_Caselles> chars6: for exactly what you are asking, you don't need fragments, but if you'd like to have a good app design for the entire Android ecosystem, fragments are recommended
Oct 23 00:14:56 <chars6> thanks. i'm working my way through a tutorial right now.
Oct 23 00:15:20 <J_Caselles> chars6: in this case don't bother with fragments yet
Oct 23 00:15:37 <canadiancow> chars6, android.support.v4.app.Fragment works on 2.1+
Oct 23 00:15:39 <canadiancow> or 1.6+
Oct 23 00:35:27 <Napalm> does anyone know how how to add a sub-module to git but have changes stored in the repo that hosts the sub-module?
Oct 23 00:49:42 <Xonk> I have a ListView that has a click listener that works fine, unless I add a ToggleButton to the row layout.  At that point, the toggle button works fine, but the click even will no longer fire for the row, even if I click on another part of the row.  Any ideas?
Oct 23 00:51:46 <michalrus> Napalm, "repo that hosts the sub-module" == "origin of the submodule"?
Oct 23 00:52:05 <Napalm> nope
Oct 23 00:52:12 <Napalm> so, i think i figured it out
Oct 23 00:52:22 <Napalm> i added a new remote to my sub-module
Oct 23 00:52:31 <Napalm> of the local repo that hosts the sub-module
Oct 23 00:52:43 <smartall> Napalm you know make apps?
Oct 23 00:52:44 <Napalm> created a branch and set the sub-module master to track to that
Oct 23 00:52:58 <Napalm> and commited my changes to that new branch
Oct 23 00:53:05 <Napalm> seems' to have worked
Oct 23 00:53:15 <Napalm> just cloned it fresh and all the changes are there
Oct 23 00:53:33 <Napalm> the sub-module in this case is not owned by me
Oct 23 00:53:43 <Napalm> michalrus: ^
Oct 23 00:53:49 <Napalm> smartall: yes
Oct 23 00:55:04 <Napalm> michalrus: i spoke to soon, it failed
Oct 23 00:55:25 <michalrus> Napalm, submodules are evil. :^
Oct 23 00:55:40 <Napalm> michalrus: yea, i know, but im trying to work out how to proceed
Oct 23 00:55:41 <michalrus> Napalm, eventually you'll forget to do something.
Oct 23 00:56:01 <Napalm> perhaps just treat the external repo as a remote
Oct 23 00:56:11 <Napalm> arg
Oct 23 00:56:12 <smartall> Napalm you can help me ?
Oct 23 00:56:17 <michalrus> Napalm, and what about using a subtree?
Oct 23 00:56:19 <michalrus> http://git-scm.com/book/ch6-7.html
Oct 23 00:56:22 <Napalm> subtree?
Oct 23 00:56:27 <Napalm> oooo
Oct 23 00:56:34 <michalrus> Napalm, what are you trying to achieve, first of all? :P
Oct 23 00:56:48 <Napalm> ok, lets start again
Oct 23 00:57:11 <Napalm> so, i have a project that depends on the android support library with app-compat
Oct 23 00:57:14 <Napalm> v8
Oct 23 00:57:37 <michalrus> Uhm?
Oct 23 00:57:41 <Napalm> but the eclipse project requires the v4 library which is part of my main project
Oct 23 00:58:02 <Napalm> now when they update that project i want the ability to pull those commits into my tree
Oct 23 00:58:26 <Napalm> but really i dont need the history of all the development of the support lib
Oct 23 00:58:42 <gavilan2> How to add a bottom line to a textview or something?
Oct 23 00:58:49 <gavilan2> can I do it with the background?
Oct 23 00:59:56 <Napalm> michalrus: looks like sub-tree's might solve my problem
Oct 23 01:01:08 <Napalm> i'll give it a go and see
Oct 23 01:01:18 <kbs> gavilan2: you should be able to create a 9-patch background that will display a line for the bottom-border of the textview (essentially). This might or might not do the "right thing" depending on what you need 'course [eg: if the text in the textview doesn't fill the width]
Oct 23 01:01:33 <michalrus> Napalm, probably, but... why do you want to pull in the source of support/compat libs? Why not just use the .jars from sdk/extras/?
Oct 23 01:01:41 <Maziz> hi all
Oct 23 01:02:56 <desmin88> Which way is the /best/ way to load data from a server API asynchronously and load it into a listview as the data comes in?
Oct 23 01:03:16 <Napalm> michalrus: look at SDK\extras\android\support\v7 you'll see no jar's because they depend on resources and not just code, they have to referenced as library projects
Oct 23 01:03:34 <Napalm> so ADT plugin can merge the resources
Oct 23 01:03:34 <michalrus> I feel like I might have not fully understood your case. :^
Oct 23 01:03:49 <michalrus> But if you need to use submodules, consider subtree. :)
Oct 23 01:04:06 <Napalm> looking at it now
Oct 23 01:04:09 <michalrus> Napalm, hm, so why don't you reference them as lib projects? :P
Oct 23 01:04:33 * michalrus really doesn't know, I just add a line to build.sbt and it just happens.
Oct 23 01:04:39 <Napalm> i do, but the v7 library project depends on the v4 jar
Oct 23 01:05:12 <michalrus> And how's that a problem?
Oct 23 01:05:14 <Napalm> michalrus: i would love that, but i HAVE to do it this way, other developers and alll ... :(
Oct 23 01:05:30 <michalrus> Uhm. :}
Oct 23 01:05:40 <Napalm> michalrus: because then the changes to the files are not stored in the repo
Oct 23 01:05:53 <michalrus> Which files?
Oct 23 01:06:13 <Napalm> ie adding my local app v4 library jar to the v7 project
Oct 23 01:06:36 <michalrus> Napalm, why don't you add v4 globally?
Oct 23 01:06:43 <Napalm> ???
Oct 23 01:07:54 <michalrus> Napalm, when you add it locally, information about this fact is kept somewhere in project's configuration. `build.sbt' in my case. some-file in your.
Oct 23 01:08:00 <michalrus> Napalm, commit & push this some-file.
Oct 23 01:08:01 <michalrus> :}
Oct 23 01:08:23 <Napalm> but i cant, because that file is owned by google's repo
Oct 23 01:08:50 <Napalm> michalrus: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/
Oct 23 01:09:14 <Napalm> so basicly i want my repo always referencing that but with changes stored in the local repo
Oct 23 01:09:15 <Napalm> make sense?
Oct 23 01:09:43 <michalrus> Sure, then use subtree.
Oct 23 01:09:56 <michalrus> But the whole situation doesn't make sense to me!
Oct 23 01:10:00 <michalrus> Just to clarify:
Oct 23 01:10:14 <michalrus> 1) you're developing your own project A.
Oct 23 01:10:24 <gavilan2> kbs: Can I do it with just XML?
Oct 23 01:10:30 <michalrus> 2) this projects depends on v7 and so v4.
Oct 23 01:10:36 <gavilan2> kbs: with shape and all that stuff?
Oct 23 01:11:02 <michalrus> 3) you're saying you can't commit to your project X config/build file an information to use v4+v7?
Oct 23 01:11:06 <michalrus> Napalm, right?
Oct 23 01:11:14 <mystupid> is this channel? for android apps?
Oct 23 01:11:16 <michalrus> 4) because your build file is owned by google?
Oct 23 01:11:32 <michalrus> mystupid, is yes it
Oct 23 01:11:40 <mystupid> okay so some mexican guy wanted me to make an app to call someone on skype, i got everything working but im not sure how to go about storing settings. how can i just store a string? im really new to this
Oct 23 01:11:52 <michalrus> mystupid, sqlite!
Oct 23 01:11:57 <mystupid> ahhh
Oct 23 01:11:59 <VonKranke> mystupid: He's been doing that for 2 days now.
Oct 23 01:12:00 <kbs> gavilan2: hm. You _might_ be able to play some clever tricks with layer-lists and shapedrawable purely in xml - but sometimes it's simpler just to create a 2-3 pixel png file and be done with it.
Oct 23 01:12:02 <mystupid> im scared
Oct 23 01:12:16 <mystupid> lol
Oct 23 01:12:25 <VonKranke> mystupid: Just now he was trolling #android saying that he found someone to make his app and now he's started all over again here
Oct 23 01:13:02 <michalrus> /kb mystupid go awayyyyyy!111111oneone!11cos(0)
Oct 23 01:13:11 <Napalm> michalrus: yes
Oct 23 01:13:24 <michalrus> Napalm, *head explodes*
Oct 23 01:13:38 <michalrus> Napalm, how's it that google owns your build config?
Oct 23 01:13:59 <Napalm> michalrus: you tell me.. its right here > https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/support/+/master/v7/appcompat/.project
Oct 23 01:14:51 <mystupid> VonKranke, who was?
Oct 23 01:15:03 <mystupid> yeah i know but i want to do it anyway
Oct 23 01:15:16 <mystupid> it sounds like an easy idea and i want to get into android development
Oct 23 01:15:21 <VonKranke> mystupid: the guy you're talking about, smartall
Oct 23 01:15:34 <VonKranke> mystupid: My point is he's trolling.  It's fake.
Oct 23 01:15:39 <mystupid> i dont care
Oct 23 01:15:44 <VonKranke> Wow.
Oct 23 01:15:46 <acidjazz> hey yall
Oct 23 01:15:47 <mystupid> i just want to try this
Oct 23 01:15:48 <VonKranke> Darwin was right.
Oct 23 01:15:50 <mystupid> not for him
Oct 23 01:16:13 <acidjazz> i got a foreground active notification that i spawn my app w/ when selected.. but it always restarts the app. even seconds after its running.. any way around this?
Oct 23 01:16:26 <acidjazz> my intent is PendingIntent pi = PendingIntent.getActivity(getApplicationContext(), 0, new Intent(getApplicationContext(), MainActivity.class), PendingIntent.FLAG_UPDATE_CURRENT);
Oct 23 01:16:26 <mystupid> do you have a problem if i liked his idea? whether he was trolling or not
Oct 23 01:16:31 <smartall> What say about me ?
Oct 23 01:16:39 <mystupid> AHHH
Oct 23 01:16:41 <mystupid> hes here
Oct 23 01:16:54 <smartall> Yes
Oct 23 01:17:26 <smartall> What you say about me ?
Oct 23 01:17:58 <smartall> About my app or fake ?
Oct 23 01:18:05 <michalrus> Napalm, and what happens if you add both v7 and v4 to your .project, leaving v7's intact?
Oct 23 01:18:21 <Napalm> v7 what?
Oct 23 01:18:24 <Napalm> its not a jar
Oct 23 01:19:06 <michalrus> Yes, it's an apklib.
Oct 23 01:19:21 <michalrus> Napalm, can't you add any apklib to your own project?
Oct 23 01:20:14 <Napalm> where is the apklib?
Oct 23 01:20:20 <Napalm> plus i want it to track the source
Oct 23 01:20:25 <Napalm> so this is fine
Oct 23 01:21:22 <michalrus> In sdk/extras/android/m2repository/com/android/support. :}
Oct 23 01:21:26 <michalrus> Napalm, ok.
Oct 23 01:22:22 <osxorgate> anyone familiar with app translation projects? for example i want my app translated to language x, and in return i could translate the other guy's app to language y
Oct 23 01:22:31 <Napalm> michalrus: i dont see an apklib only aar
Oct 23 01:22:39 <desmin88> osxorgate: never heard of em.
Oct 23 01:22:50 <Napalm> michalrus: check appcompat-v7
Oct 23 01:23:24 <smartall> My stupid... you too want  an app
Oct 23 01:23:30 <smartall> Or not understend
Oct 23 01:23:41 <osxorgate> hmm well it's a start http://www.reddit.com/r/AppTranslations
Oct 23 01:24:41 <michalrus> Napalm, rrright. I can use aar's just as apklibs.
Oct 23 01:25:04 <michalrus> Napalm, well, there must be way to do it with vanilla eclipse+adt, that's the official way to build apps, I guess. ;o
Oct 23 01:48:29 <porten> in supporting multiple screen sizes I noticed that some projects explicitly define a new layout for each resolution and some other projects modularize the layouts and only specify certain components for higher densities
Oct 23 01:48:53 <porten> is this a fair assessment?
Oct 23 01:50:28 <porten> for the modularized method, they use the include and merge tag, I'm just wondering which way is better or more accepted
Oct 23 01:53:55 <mwcampbell> Should an Android app still use a service for a task that should explicitly run in the background, like playing audio in the background?
Oct 23 01:54:33 <alex_PP> yes
Oct 23 01:54:55 <alex_PP> how else would you do it?
Oct 23 01:59:33 <mwcampbell> alex_PP: If an activity starts a long-running task, that task will often continue to run even when the activity is no longer displayed, especially on newer devices with plenty of memory. That led me to wonder if the rules had changed.
Oct 23 01:59:47 <g00s> mwcampbell you can look at the aosp music app; even though its been rotting since 2.3 probably, the basic technique you are interested in is still there
Oct 23 02:00:43 <mwcampbell> g00s: good idea, thanks
Oct 23 02:00:47 <alex_PP> mwcampbell, yes, but there's no guarantee that it wont be killed at any time. that's what foreground services are for
Oct 23 02:02:41 <mwcampbell> Is there a way to force Android to be more aggressive about killing off non-foreground processes when running in the simulator?
Oct 23 02:03:01 <mwcampbell> I guess I could just reduce the amount of RAM in the AVD, then start up other apps
Oct 23 02:03:08 <mwcampbell> sorry, emulator
Oct 23 02:03:33 <alex_PP> the web browser's a pretty bug memory hog
Oct 23 02:03:46 <alex_PP> *big
Oct 23 02:03:47 <mwcampbell> heh, yeah
Oct 23 02:05:36 <mwcampbell> Is the HttpURLConnection class still the recommended HTTP client for apps targeting 4.0 and later?
Oct 23 02:13:41 <nubish> sup
Oct 23 02:18:35 <otiose> Without any context, is it a good idea to create new apps just targeted towards 4+, or what is the lowest that should generally be supported?
Oct 23 02:19:15 <g00s> new apps, minsdk 15 or 16 (if it will take a few months)
Oct 23 02:20:05 <g00s> the longer it will take to dev, probably minsdk=16 has more validity
Oct 23 02:20:49 <tslocum> when I run "gradle" in the Android Studio terminal, it isn't recognized, but the project builds with gradle just fine
Oct 23 02:21:03 <tslocum> could someone please help me access the gradle binary
Oct 23 02:21:07 <nubish> otiose https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Oct 23 02:21:25 <tslocum> i'm running linux and the latest version of android studio
Oct 23 02:21:40 <g00s> are all the other env vars set right in the AS terminal ?
Oct 23 02:21:49 <alex_PP> try echo $PATH
Oct 23 02:22:17 <otiose> ah, 10 if you want tons of people
Oct 23 02:22:22 <otiose> meh, 16 is good enough for me
Oct 23 02:22:48 <nubish> from 15 and onward otiose
Oct 23 02:23:05 <tslocum> okay, just did that and my path seems to be pointing to an old sdk location, going to try adding the new one and will report back
Oct 23 02:23:46 <JakeWharton> mwcampbell: yes. i'd recommend you use OkHttp though
Oct 23 02:24:23 <otiose> ah,i would have to do 15+, because my personal device is 15 hah
Oct 23 02:24:51 <tslocum> my path now includes sdk/tools and sdk/platform-tools but still no dice on the gradle command
Oct 23 02:25:06 <acidjazz> any1 have experience w/ 4.1 notifications w/ .setContent using Remoteviews? i have a question about click handlers
Oct 23 02:25:31 <nubish> otiose yes always target the minimum platform version you want to develop for, seeing as how developing for that would work on the new releases
Oct 23 02:26:06 <otiose> yes, and that pie chart was wonderful, thank you
Oct 23 02:26:29 <otiose> considering the test devices we have here at work, i was under the impression 2.2 was still very widespread
Oct 23 02:27:28 <nubish> otiose Also, you should know that Android 3.0 platform version, which is codenamed Gingerbread, introduced all sorts of features that are not possible with Android 2.x platform versions(Froyo, Gingerbread). So it's a challenge developing for 2.x devices and for new 4.x platform devices in regards to making resource-intensive applications like games.
Oct 23 02:28:06 <otiose> I'm not thinking anything resource intensive
Oct 23 02:28:12 <nubish> otiose that's 3.0 = honeycomb sorry
Oct 23 02:28:50 <otiose> just wanted to do somethings for hobby, outside of work, and wondering if developing for my device at a minimum would be feasible, or if 4.0.4 was still too 'cutting edge' despite being like 2 eyars old
Oct 23 02:28:54 <nubish> otiose then most likely you'll be able to develop for Gingerbread as well, but you should stay away from Froyo.
Oct 23 02:28:54 <tslocum> imo although it was unreasonable several months ago, considering how much 2.x usage has shrunk developing for 4.0+ is now a fair choice (depending on the app/audience, of course)
Oct 23 02:29:06 <nubish> tslocum is right
Oct 23 02:29:41 <nubish> otiose 4.0 and upward is the preferred choice
Oct 23 02:30:02 <otiose> straight and to the point, thansk
Oct 23 02:30:13 <nubish> have fun!
Oct 23 02:30:31 <tslocum> if I install gradle from the ubuntu repositories will it still build my android project just fine?
Oct 23 02:30:42 <g00s> probably not. you need 1.8
Oct 23 02:31:04 <alex_PP> tslocum, sorry, I had gradle installed before and can't workout where it AS likes to put it
Oct 23 02:31:11 <nubish> im checking out this Gradle user guide PDF, want to see what all the fuss is about with this software
Oct 23 02:31:17 <nubish> Everyones using it
Oct 23 02:31:21 <g00s> seriously, its just a zip file - plop it someplace and point your path. you don't need apt-get for this :)
Oct 23 02:31:44 <tslocum> well the thing is i have gradle installed, and it is being used by android studio, i just cant find the damned thing
Oct 23 02:31:46 <alex_PP> you could try "find ANDROIDSDKDIR ANDROIDSTUDIODIR -type f -name gradle"
Oct 23 02:31:59 <g00s> tslocum try slocate :)
Oct 23 02:32:23 <tslocum> i did but all i came across was gradle.jar and executing it with java did not yield anything useful
Oct 23 02:33:23 <g00s> i suppose AS might come bundled with one; maybe you found that
Oct 23 02:33:31 <g00s> or parts of one, dunno
Oct 23 02:33:58 <tslocum> i'm beginning to think it is bundled with it but not in a way which makes it executable from a terminal
Oct 23 02:35:46 <nubish> uninstall and reinstall Gradle tslocum so that it might recognize it
Oct 23 02:35:46 <eppo> just recreated my project using android studio, to start using gradle, I have 2 modules, my App, and google play services, when I run the app in the emulator it crashes right way due to a class not found exception, it looks like its trying to run the GooglePlayServices module, how do I get it to run my App module?
Oct 23 02:35:52 <nubish> recognize AS that is
Oct 23 02:35:59 <Maziz> anybody already update to os x marverick?
Oct 23 02:36:22 <nubish> Maziz whats up with that?
Oct 23 02:36:47 <nubish> I know its free but is it new?
Oct 23 02:37:47 <TheBunny> Im looking at doing it now
Oct 23 02:37:53 <Maziz> there are some changes
Oct 23 02:38:03 <Maziz> wondering if there any adverse affect on android dev env
Oct 23 02:38:33 <TheBunny> nubish:  from a dev point of view the new OS is very cool tech
Oct 23 02:38:43 <TheBunny> from new GL stack to other things
Oct 23 02:38:58 <TheBunny> GLES 3 runs on the Mac os now also.
Oct 23 02:39:06 <g00s> yeah, can't wait to update … but waiting for a .1 release
Oct 23 02:39:08 <TheBunny> making new games on ios / mac seemless
Oct 23 02:39:11 <TheBunny> smart movies
Oct 23 02:39:24 <TheBunny> g00s:  yeah I normally wait for a new mac etc ;)
Oct 23 02:39:31 <TheBunny> Im temped to update at home
Oct 23 02:39:45 <nubish> So did this just come out today
Oct 23 02:39:45 <nubish> ?
Oct 23 02:39:50 <nubish> Open GL 3? far out!
Oct 23 02:39:55 <g00s> TheBunny i have to update since 10.7 doesn't run the latest xcode
Oct 23 02:39:57 <TheBunny> tho one of my friends at apple is worried about incomming bug reports
Oct 23 02:40:03 <TheBunny> you might want to wait
Oct 23 02:40:07 <g00s> :)
Oct 23 02:40:11 <nubish> new graphics stack?
Oct 23 02:40:12 <nubish> whaaaaaat
Oct 23 02:40:26 <nubish> did this just come out today or has it been out recently?
Oct 23 02:40:28 <TheBunny> 10.7 had GL 3.2
Oct 23 02:40:35 <TheBunny> and 10.9 gets 4.1
Oct 23 02:40:41 <TheBunny> among other things
Oct 23 02:40:42 <nubish> im not familiar with mac software
Oct 23 02:40:46 <nubish> still cool though
Oct 23 02:41:26 <nubish> i do however look forward to purchasing a macbook
Oct 23 02:41:32 <nubish> want to develop iOS apps
Oct 23 02:41:45 <Maziz> came out today
Oct 23 02:41:53 <Maziz> nubish:
Oct 23 02:42:17 <nubish> awesome
Oct 23 02:42:40 <nubish> were you guys surprised that it was free/
Oct 23 02:42:52 <g00s> i was. thought it would be $20 again
Oct 23 02:43:00 <g00s> which is still worth it
Oct 23 02:43:13 <Maziz> why the sudden change of cost structure
Oct 23 02:43:23 <TheBunny> I was surprised it was free
Oct 23 02:43:34 <TheBunny> They also gave out a lot of productivity tools
Oct 23 02:43:43 <g00s> TheBunny does it seem more like a internals / plumbing update ?
Oct 23 02:43:47 <TheBunny> yes
Oct 23 02:43:53 <g00s> thats probably why then
Oct 23 02:43:54 <TheBunny> I don't feel it was a huge win for users
Oct 23 02:44:00 <TheBunny> at least interface wise etc
Oct 23 02:44:23 <TheBunny> The tech underneath they might love but won't see it till adopted
Oct 23 02:44:31 <g00s> TheBunny "ios 7 is late" "ok, put out mac os devs on ios" .. "ok, we'll just release what we have now for free" \o/
Oct 23 02:45:36 <TheBunny> I was at WWDC
Oct 23 02:45:42 <TheBunny> theres a lot of new stuff
Oct 23 02:45:47 <Maziz> g00s: lol
Oct 23 02:45:51 <wabz> 10.9 is pretty different...
Oct 23 02:45:55 <g00s> i have to read the ars review
Oct 23 02:46:05 <nubish> ipad air <.<
Oct 23 02:46:20 <TheBunny> maybe apples trying to add more value to their products
Oct 23 02:46:29 <nubish> seem to be no new ideas coming out of Apple ever since Jobs passed
Oct 23 02:46:29 <TheBunny> free OS , free productivity apps etc
Oct 23 02:46:31 <Maziz> ipad can now be bendable, like a piece of paper?
Oct 23 02:46:44 <nubish> lol
Oct 23 02:46:52 <nubish> i dont like devices that thin
Oct 23 02:46:53 <TheBunny> is ot was not Air it would have veen what ipad 5  or 6?
Oct 23 02:46:59 <TheBunny> I can see them wanting a new name
Oct 23 02:47:03 <TheBunny> its been to long
Oct 23 02:47:04 <nubish> feel no weight at all
Oct 23 02:47:07 <acidjazz> how hte hll do i put a simple click listener on a RemoteView? im trying to make clickable buttons in my Notification
Oct 23 02:47:18 <nubish> i feel like breaking the thing just to feel something
Oct 23 02:47:24 <TheBunny> next year watch we get the iphone air
Oct 23 02:49:47 <BenOrnstin> I have a simple dataset of about 100k gps coordinates, names, and elevation data.  The information is static (will never change)
Oct 23 02:49:55 <BenOrnstin> What's the best way to package it up in a queriable format
Oct 23 02:50:09 <jug6ernaut> db
Oct 23 02:50:12 <BenOrnstin> I'd prefer a semicross platform approach
Oct 23 02:50:14 <jug6ernaut> just included it in ur apk
Oct 23 02:50:20 <BenOrnstin> You can prebuild a db?
Oct 23 02:50:22 <nubish> acidjazz https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RemoteViews.html#setOnClickPendingIntent(int, android.app.PendingIntent)
Oct 23 02:51:55 <TheBunny>  sql lite DBs run everywhere
Oct 23 02:52:15 <nubish> sqlite ftw
Oct 23 02:52:16 <g00s> sucks that the android sqlite doesn't have rtree indexes compiled in
Oct 23 02:52:33 <TheBunny> could ship your own version
Oct 23 02:52:34 <g00s> if you are going to to geospatial searches ;)
Oct 23 02:52:38 <TheBunny> its not that big
Oct 23 02:52:43 <TheBunny> BRB
Oct 23 02:52:51 <g00s> TheBunny yeah, then you have to abort using the supplied sqlite bindings
Oct 23 02:52:57 <g00s> pretty much NDK
Oct 23 02:53:33 <BenOrnstin> TheBunny, wow that's fantastic
Oct 23 02:53:48 <g00s> BenOrnstin mvstore has r*tree indexes; although its java and may not play nice on ios or WP :)
Oct 23 02:54:01 <BenOrnstin> g00s, okay
Oct 23 02:54:22 <BenOrnstin> sqlite may be the prefered route as this is gonna be a Windows Phone/iOS product as well
Oct 23 02:55:11 <BenOrnstin> Speaking as someone who has minimal db experience, is it realistic to expect relatively fast queries in the form of distance from gps coordinate
Oct 23 02:55:22 <BenOrnstin> In a specific range?
Oct 23 02:55:32 <BenOrnstin> Or should I really be looking for a custom approach?
Oct 23 02:55:48 <g00s> sounds like k nearest neighbor
Oct 23 02:55:51 <BenOrnstin> I'm considering pre-coding them into 'boxs'
Oct 23 02:56:14 <acidjazz> nubish: yea thats what im trying.. i got rV.setOnClickPendingIntent(R.id.nPlayStop, playStopIntent(getApplicationContext())); .. rihgt.. then in my playStopIntent() i just Log.d().. i only see the Log.d when the app loads up.. and clicking the button doesnt show the Log.d again
Oct 23 02:56:30 <acidjazz> nubish: am i misinterpreting how this should work?
Oct 23 02:56:31 <g00s> BenOrnstin maybe The_Bunny can help youget r_tree indexes compiled in; i think mrenouf did it with spatialite. gotta go
Oct 23 02:56:54 <TheBunny> nope can't help
Oct 23 02:57:05 <BenOrnstin> Hahaha
Oct 23 02:57:16 <BenOrnstin> More looking for concepts to look into then anything else
Oct 23 02:57:17 <TheBunny> just being honest on this one :)
Oct 23 02:57:38 <TheBunny> how much DATA do you have?
Oct 23 02:57:40 <BenOrnstin> So even the name 'r_tree indexes' is a helpful clue
Oct 23 02:57:55 <BenOrnstin> Right now about 40k entries
Oct 23 02:58:08 <nubish> acidjazz is the item you are accessing within a collection
Oct 23 02:58:09 <BenOrnstin> We're considering expanding it, which could bring it close to 700k
Oct 23 02:58:18 <TheBunny> So theres this thing called threading ;)
Oct 23 02:58:19 <nubish> acidjazz not sure, im totally a noob at this
Oct 23 02:58:20 <BenOrnstin> Or releasing several 'regional' versions
Oct 23 02:58:27 <nubish> acidjazz sorry man
Oct 23 02:58:32 <BenOrnstin> TheBunny, I'm aware :)
Oct 23 02:58:41 <acidjazz> nubish: no.. https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/b6ac75bfd534e4fa5508
Oct 23 02:58:51 <acidjazz> nubish: all good its kinda brand new stuff right
Oct 23 02:58:54 <BenOrnstin> But yeah, I have zero db experience
Oct 23 02:59:06 <TheBunny> honestly I don't actually know how much load a modern device can handle
Oct 23 02:59:08 <BenOrnstin> I'm not sure if the wait time I'm looking at is in miliseconds, seconds or half a minute
Oct 23 02:59:18 <acidjazz> nubish: tryin to get a play/pause button goin for my MediaPlayer service
Oct 23 02:59:19 <TheBunny> Test it
Oct 23 02:59:23 <BenOrnstin> Will do
Oct 23 02:59:45 <TheBunny> But I do sugges the thread it and fake it approach if needed
Oct 23 02:59:55 <BenOrnstin> Okay, cool
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