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Jun 26 03:00:07 <Napalm> g00s: where you reading that anyway?
Jun 26 03:00:13 <g00s> Napalm reddit
Jun 26 03:00:15 <wabz> https://twitter.com/chendo/status/481972376327184384 lol......
Jun 26 03:00:16 <p_l> I love the line from keynote about it ;P
Jun 26 03:00:48 <p_l> "two people? That's one more than I expected" <--- after asking about who liked listview or something like that :P
Jun 26 03:01:31 <g00s> pfn keeps thinking i'm crazy when i say these things are good
Jun 26 03:02:31 <g00s> now, i wonder if RecyclerView will extend AbsListView
Jun 26 03:02:36 <g00s> because if it does … hehe
Jun 26 03:03:40 <wabz> extends uicollectionview
Jun 26 03:04:11 <g00s> haha, hey burke said he liked cocoa
Jun 26 03:04:15 <g00s> :D
Jun 26 03:04:21 * Nilium stabs g00s to death
Jun 26 03:04:26 <Nilium> Slenderman made me do it.
Jun 26 03:04:31 <g00s> hey Nilium
Jun 26 03:04:39 * g00s pulls on Nilium 's tooth
Jun 26 03:04:55 <Nilium> You'd have a hard time pulling on it when the only part of the tooth left is below the gumline.
Jun 26 03:05:03 <g00s> :O
Jun 26 03:05:27 <Nilium> One does not get a crown without losing half a tooth.
Jun 26 03:05:28 <g00s> i want to see that part in foreside where they talk about scala again, that was funny
Jun 26 03:05:32 <g00s> *fireside
Jun 26 03:05:37 <g00s> time for a replay
Jun 26 03:05:53 <Nilium> I have no idea what you're referring to but I'd assume it's either making fun of Scala or something else
Jun 26 03:06:27 <g00s> somebody did bring it up, but when they were responding - i think dianne - i couldn't quite make out what she said
Jun 26 03:06:39 <g00s> but i thought somebody was giggling
Jun 26 03:06:46 <p_l> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2014/06/developer-preview-and-play-services-5.html <--- has a breakdown of what goes into Android L and what goes into Play Services
Jun 26 03:07:16 <Nilium> Oh, right, there was an Android thing today, wasn't there
Jun 26 03:08:15 <jaspertheghost> using createScaled Bitmap vs using a matrix i been reading there might be quality issues with createscaled bitmap does anyone have any input on this?
Jun 26 03:08:49 <g00s> p_l project Volta excites me; but come on they had a bunch of command line crap - that needs to just be in some tool window
Jun 26 03:10:49 <g00s> i also have to rewind fireside - did burke say wifi or bluetooth was buggy ?
Jun 26 03:11:36 <p_l> g00s: fuck window
Jun 26 03:11:55 <Nilium> commandline for lyfe
Jun 26 03:11:59 <Nilium> bitch
Jun 26 03:12:09 <g00s> well it seemed like a few command line steps to view in a gui
Jun 26 03:12:21 <Nilium> CLI4LYFE
Jun 26 03:12:25 <g00s> he
Jun 26 03:12:30 <Nilium> Oh, that's enough characters that it'd fit on my knuckles
Jun 26 03:12:33 * p_l lives in an urxvt
Jun 26 03:13:01 * g00s likes iTerm2
Jun 26 03:15:01 <g00s> this material design - some will like, some will not - i'm gonna have to think hard about the underlying philosophy duarte was trying to convey with physics. in many ways this is what the WP UI is like already. stuff seems to have mass. you squish things, they wiggle, clicking on something isn't a highlight but movement instead
Jun 26 03:15:12 <g00s> they also have a power save mode, seems like everybody is copying everybody :)
Jun 26 03:18:17 <Nilium> Far as I can tell, Android L is the "we added lots of unnecessary animations (and playstation controller buttons)" release and L.1 will remove the animations because they'll be really annoying
Jun 26 03:19:00 <g00s> i just hope this isn;t a pita as a developer
Jun 26 03:19:04 <Nilium> Kind of like how iOS 7 updates have slowly made animations faster or toned them down
Jun 26 03:19:10 <g00s> seemed like they said the difficulty was a gradient
Jun 26 03:19:12 <Nilium> It's going to be a PITA if nobody gets an update
Jun 26 03:19:24 <Nilium> Because then all the improvements will be for naught
Jun 26 03:19:27 <zinx> oh good deal my 1+1 was too responsive/fast, needed something to slow it down some
Jun 26 03:19:54 <Nilium> zinx: Needed some slow down and some stuff to sap the battery a little more.
Jun 26 03:20:01 <Nilium> It's always a good idea.
Jun 26 03:20:37 <wabz> p_l has good terminal emulator taste
Jun 26 03:20:46 <Leeds> meh, most people are going to be using 4.0-4.4 for the next couple of years anyway
Jun 26 03:20:56 <g00s> they said they did the testing with very low end devices
Jun 26 03:21:05 <g00s> (animation, speed, etc)
Jun 26 03:21:07 <Leeds> there won't be any mass-market L devices until 'the holiday season'
Jun 26 03:21:27 <g00s> yeah so i'll start thinking about it around this time next year maybe
Jun 26 03:21:40 <g00s> around the next I/O :D
Jun 26 03:22:28 <Leeds> which leads to the question of how much is in a) the support libraries and similar b) play services/games/etc and c) the OS itself
Jun 26 03:22:54 <basketball> anyone here use mit app inventor
Jun 26 03:23:02 <g00s> basketball i doubt lately
Jun 26 03:23:09 <g00s> did you ask about that the other day ?
Jun 26 03:23:31 <basketball> idts
Jun 26 03:23:32 <zinx> "uncompressed YUV at full 8 megapixel resolution / 30fps"  ehhhh that's not anywhere near full wtf you guys talking about :P
Jun 26 03:23:39 <basketball> gtg
Jun 26 03:24:19 <lasserix> anyone know where i can catch the adt google android tv session ?
Jun 26 03:39:11 <g00s> lasserix adt google tv session ?
Jun 26 03:39:45 <g00s> oh yeah, i think that was interesting too - seems like eclipse / adt isn't getting much love
Jun 26 03:39:59 <g00s> or will not for the foreseeable future
Jun 26 03:40:11 <g00s> at least in gradle support
Jun 26 03:40:48 <gordon_> damn
Jun 26 03:40:58 <gordon_> I love new design guide lines
Jun 26 03:49:34 <lasserix> yeah the new settopbox also called adt
Jun 26 03:53:06 <Napalm> lasserix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dCUPeyhag
Jun 26 03:54:43 <RxDx> please, I am trying to use Retrofit.. I created "CheapBeersService service = restAdapter.create(CheapBeersService.class);" CheapBeersService is an Interface that has this signature: "void listCheapBeers(Callback<CheapBeer> cheapBeerCallback);"... why I cant call service.listCheapBeers(callback)??
Jun 26 03:56:40 <RxDx> here is the code:  http://pastebin.com/gZ4w2gij
Jun 26 04:09:29 <lasserix> Napalm: thanks!
Jun 26 04:12:43 <RxDx> Im trying to use Retrofit to request async http calls but I cant call the void methods (asynchronous with callbacks).. please anyone know why? here is the example:  http://pastebin.com/gZ4w2gij
Jun 26 04:56:40 <mrpyo> Hello
Jun 26 04:57:55 <mrpyo> Is it possible to make activity landscape only if it is run on tablet?
Jun 26 05:04:01 <gordon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtVsy98ces
Jun 26 05:13:47 <g00s> Napalm listview2 was mentioned in the presentation gordon_ just posted
Jun 26 05:13:54 <g00s> @ 3:38
Jun 26 05:13:58 <gordon_> yep
Jun 26 05:14:01 <gordon_> recycle view
Jun 26 05:14:02 <gordon_> ?
Jun 26 05:15:27 <g00s> hehe, yeah Chet is hilarious
Jun 26 05:15:32 <gordon_> :)
Jun 26 05:15:44 <gordon_> like the animations
Jun 26 05:15:52 <gordon_> in dialer, gmail
Jun 26 05:15:55 <gordon_> those from keynote
Jun 26 05:28:12 <bankai_au> whenever i see animations i think "battery drain"
Jun 26 05:29:01 <g00s> hm. battery is fine on my lumia 521, and WP has tons of animations
Jun 26 05:29:23 <g00s> i think they are actually borrowing a lot from metro
Jun 26 05:29:43 <bankai_au> a lot of it looks like they smashed iOS and 'modern UI' together
Jun 26 05:29:50 <ahulr> I have a permission related question. Can anyone help?
Jun 26 05:29:54 <g00s> bankai_au somebody did ask about that though
Jun 26 05:30:09 <g00s> … in the fireside. interesting, the devs used very low end devices
Jun 26 05:30:19 <gordon_> bankai_au: seems like battery is better with dalvik now
Jun 26 05:30:31 <gordon_> tfu
Jun 26 05:30:33 <gordon_> ART
Jun 26 05:30:38 <g00s> :)
Jun 26 05:30:40 <bankai_au> that's just like saying subway is 'low fat', there's heaps of variables you need to consider
Jun 26 05:30:58 <gordon_> and large images are in different memory space
Jun 26 05:31:07 <Leeds> ahulr: you need to ask before anyone can help
Jun 26 05:31:18 <ahulr> ok
Jun 26 05:31:21 <g00s> gordon_ hmm .. i thought that was just GC movement
Jun 26 05:31:47 <g00s> a long time ago they used to be off the java heap, and then they put them on the heap
Jun 26 05:31:50 <gordon_> maybe ui thread will have higher priority
Jun 26 05:31:53 <gordon_> like in... iOS
Jun 26 05:31:59 <gordon_> so it should be smooth
Jun 26 05:32:08 <g00s> :)
Jun 26 05:32:10 <gordon_> also... battery drain tools are available now
Jun 26 05:32:29 <bankai_au> i've seen a lot of apps that do a good job of draining battery :)
Jun 26 05:32:40 <gordon_> of course
Jun 26 05:32:56 <gordon_> I'm not saying that it will be perfect
Jun 26 05:33:06 <gordon_> just saying what they say on keynote / presentation
Jun 26 05:33:27 <gordon_> but new notifications and stuff seems to be nice
Jun 26 05:33:34 <bankai_au> yeah but sooooooooo ugly
Jun 26 05:33:41 <gordon_> which one?
Jun 26 05:33:46 <bankai_au> the lock screen notifications
Jun 26 05:33:48 <gordon_> the floating ones or lock screen ?
Jun 26 05:33:52 <gordon_> a
Jun 26 05:33:57 <gordon_> i was talking about floating ones
Jun 26 05:34:09 <bankai_au> that thing up the top they showed when he was playing the game? that was kinda cool
Jun 26 05:34:16 <gordon_> yes
Jun 26 05:34:27 <bankai_au> it's one of those things you think "wow, why have we waited this long" lol
Jun 26 05:34:27 <gordon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isYZXwaP3Q4
Jun 26 05:35:06 <gordon_> btw
Jun 26 05:35:33 <wabz> I use a lockscreen so that people can't at my content
Jun 26 05:35:36 <gordon_> when I close on activity from 3rd party library -  the content of my navigation drawer disappear, any hint ?
Jun 26 05:35:42 <wabz> particularly work emails etc
Jun 26 05:35:54 <wabz> lockscreen widgets/notifications are therefore retarded
Jun 26 05:35:56 <gordon_> wabz: there are 4 types of that notifications
Jun 26 05:36:09 <gordon_> including secret notifications
Jun 26 05:37:30 <gordon_> wabz: http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screen-Shot-2014-06-25-at-2.36.00-PM.png
Jun 26 05:38:01 <wabz> lol
Jun 26 05:38:08 <g00s> they talked about personal / work profiles ; i wonder if you can just make arbitrary jails. like , a jail for trusted apps, and one for crap i don't
Jun 26 05:39:20 <gordon_> g00s: SElinux is now turned on
Jun 26 05:39:44 <gordon_> i also like new notifications in that dropdown menu
Jun 26 05:40:16 <Leeds> I'm not sure how much it just is, or is based on, or is incorporating, the stuff from Divide that they just bought
Jun 26 05:40:44 <gordon_> from new things I like scheduler
Jun 26 05:41:03 <gordon_> too  bad no new language ;)
Jun 26 05:41:19 <gordon_> new list view might also be nice
Jun 26 05:49:05 <g00s> Leeds ah, reading about divide now
Jun 26 05:49:05 <g00s> hm
Jun 26 06:00:04 <gordon_> anyone got problem with disappearing navigation drawer before ?
Jun 26 06:00:11 <gordon_> seems like internet doenst know ;(
Jun 26 06:00:26 <g00s> i haven't
Jun 26 06:00:42 <gordon_> love 3rd party libs...
Jun 26 06:11:57 <thepoosh> I wonder why the new design guidelines are so ikky
Jun 26 06:13:48 <g00s> thepoosh hipsters
Jun 26 06:14:10 <thepoosh> looks like metro and card UI's bastard child
Jun 26 06:14:20 <Zharf> link?
Jun 26 06:14:53 <gordon_> http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html
Jun 26 06:15:22 <thepoosh> g00s: I'm now looking at TC bashing the keynote
Jun 26 06:15:27 <thepoosh> but I hate them now
Jun 26 06:15:34 <thepoosh> since they bashed us too
Jun 26 06:16:07 <g00s> thepoosh which tc article ?
Jun 26 06:16:18 <thepoosh> http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/25/watch-our-wrap-up-of-google-io-keynote-and-day-one
Jun 26 06:16:29 <thepoosh> or are you asking about us?
Jun 26 06:17:16 <rymate1234> i actually really like the new guidelines
Jun 26 06:17:25 <thepoosh> rymate1234: you suck and you should feel bad
Jun 26 06:17:33 <rymate1234> it's a refreshed holo
Jun 26 06:17:36 <rymate1234> with colour
Jun 26 06:17:59 <thepoosh> it's colours are too bright and annoying
Jun 26 06:18:22 <thepoosh> and the animations are like looking at a PPS file from 10 years ago
Jun 26 06:18:38 <rymate1234> dont have to use bright colours when developing the apps
Jun 26 06:19:27 <thepoosh> true, but the emphasis on grids is annoying
Jun 26 06:19:35 <thepoosh> and was like that already in WIN 8
Jun 26 06:20:43 <rymate1234> im most worried about the effect this will have on aosp
Jun 26 06:20:52 <rymate1234> how much of this will end up in aosp
Jun 26 06:21:04 <rymate1234> and how much will be propietary
Jun 26 06:21:06 <therue> anyone know any good java forums or sites with beginner problems/exercises? :D
Jun 26 06:24:03 <Jesperhead> hey all, having problems with my preferences. Desired functionality: Upon launching preferences, checks to see if previous account information has been saved. If there is info, it will gray out and disable the "login" button. if no info is found, it will gray out and disable the logout button. I receive a crash upon preference activity launch
Jun 26 06:24:12 <Jesperhead> here's relevant code: preferences.xml: http://pastebin.com/KvA5VztN preferences.java: http://pastebin.com/7XxHn8aT stacktrace: http://pastebin.com/2iTicBU5
Jun 26 06:24:51 <Jesperhead> any help is greatly appreciated
Jun 26 06:25:46 <Jesperhead> I am using some deprecated code and am planning to transition over to a fragment environment in the future. but for now im still using the stack-activities method
Jun 26 06:25:54 <thepoosh> therue: try vogella and d.android.com/training
Jun 26 06:28:23 <gordon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3meJyiYWFw
Jun 26 06:28:25 <gordon_> ;/
Jun 26 06:28:32 <gordon_> first question...
Jun 26 06:29:27 <g00s> "It was so annoying to listen to you say Like several hundred times - learn to speak for Pete sake"
Jun 26 06:29:33 <g00s> hehe
Jun 26 06:30:11 <g00s> thepoosh didn't sound like they were too down on things
Jun 26 06:30:20 <g00s> i was mostly meh myself
Jun 26 06:35:09 <thepoosh> g00s: in general I don't like TC anymore
Jun 26 06:35:18 <thepoosh> but they matter unfortunately
Jun 26 06:35:28 <g00s> really? i don't read it either
Jun 26 06:35:41 <g00s> actually i read very little tech stuff
Jun 26 06:35:47 <thepoosh> well, they are the buzz creators for the valley
Jun 26 06:35:49 <thepoosh> me too
Jun 26 06:35:54 <thepoosh> I mostly read reddit
Jun 26 06:36:18 <thepoosh> but our CEO claims they're important
Jun 26 06:36:21 <g00s> yeah, some reddit, HN
Jun 26 06:37:00 <thepoosh> HN?
Jun 26 06:37:05 <Jesperhead> hackernews
Jun 26 06:37:05 <g00s> hacker news
Jun 26 06:37:35 <thepoosh> oh myyy
Jun 26 06:37:46 <g00s> i have a glowing and general dislike for big tech, which sounds like big pharma, big agra - and silicon valley
Jun 26 06:37:50 <g00s> *growing
Jun 26 06:38:14 <g00s> i think i should become a farmer and have goats
Jun 26 06:38:35 <thepoosh> lolz
Jun 26 06:38:37 <g00s> most of the stuff these days gets the same reaction from me "thats fucking stupid"
Jun 26 06:38:44 <thepoosh> if they can be electric sheep
Jun 26 06:38:49 <thepoosh> than I'll do it
Jun 26 06:38:50 <g00s> :)
Jun 26 06:39:32 <g00s> like, much of the stuff about android wearable / car - just do some planning and you don't nead decision support on how to get to work
Jun 26 06:39:52 <g00s> soon people aren't going to be able to plan a trip to the grocery
Jun 26 06:39:52 <capella> :) Are you hurting sheep by herding sheep?
Jun 26 06:40:27 <g00s> i saw a funny vid the other day on goat parkour
Jun 26 06:40:32 <g00s> buttermilk was such a badass
Jun 26 06:40:39 <thepoosh> lol
Jun 26 06:40:49 <g00s> thepoosh i think it was on reddit
Jun 26 06:40:56 <thepoosh> g00s: have you seen the trailer of the horror movie about killer sheep?
Jun 26 06:41:03 <g00s> no
Jun 26 06:41:04 <Jesperhead> anybody mind taking a quick gander at my preferences code? find out why im crashing?
Jun 26 06:41:04 <thepoosh> I think it's called black sheep
Jun 26 06:41:15 <thepoosh> Jesperhead: logcat!
Jun 26 06:41:33 <Jesperhead> yeah findPreference seems to be returning null?
Jun 26 06:41:40 <thepoosh> g00s: http://youtu.be/z4PkMPAlMFo
Jun 26 06:41:45 <Jesperhead> I pasted my code/stacktrace above
Jun 26 06:41:56 <thepoosh> that's too far behind
Jun 26 06:42:03 <thepoosh> paste the logcat and then the code
Jun 26 06:42:56 <Jesperhead> preferences.xml: http://pastebin.com/KvA5VztN preferences.java: http://pastebin.com/7XxHn8aT stacktrace: http://pastebin.com/2iTicBU5
Jun 26 06:43:03 <g00s> thepoosh i'll have to watch tomorrow , otherwise maybe i won't sleep :P
Jun 26 06:46:47 <Jesperhead> figured it out
Jun 26 06:46:49 <Jesperhead> my problem is scope
Jun 26 06:46:57 <Jesperhead> tried to find a preference before inflating
Jun 26 06:47:08 <Jesperhead> at least im pretty sure thats what it is
Jun 26 06:48:14 <thepoosh> yay!
Jun 26 06:54:47 <gordon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3meJyiYWFw
Jun 26 06:54:52 <gordon_> 26:00
Jun 26 06:54:55 <gordon_> about scala
Jun 26 06:55:23 <gordon_> and some cool info about gradle
Jun 26 06:59:01 <thepoosh> gordon_: thanks, listening
Jun 26 06:59:28 <gordon_> sarcasm about swift is as bonus ;)
Jun 26 07:03:31 <thepoosh> genymotion came up
Jun 26 07:03:38 <thepoosh> where is JakeWharton?
Jun 26 07:04:52 <myke> i should try geny on this laptop
Jun 26 07:04:58 <myke> see if it's better than the stanard emu
Jun 26 07:08:51 * Muchoz is waiting for L Dev Preview to be uploaded. Come one Google, it has been the 26th for 9 hours now...
Jun 26 07:09:34 <Muchoz> Do you think L Dev Preview would be stable enough?
Jun 26 07:13:01 <thepoosh> myke: standard emu is pure crap
Jun 26 07:15:26 <myke> well come on now
Jun 26 07:15:36 <ahulr> I have made an app which uses device's camera to take user's picture. I have added the camera permission in the manifest but this makes the app unavailable for devices with front camera or no camera.
Jun 26 07:16:30 <ahulr> How do i make it to work in devices with no camera? Can i remove the camera permission and still use it?
Jun 26 07:20:57 <FrancescoV> Hi all, I have a ListView and using the onItemLongClick but it's called twice every time I long-click an item, what can be the problem?
Jun 26 07:22:21 <FrancescoV> Now a  Google IO question, about this session https://www.google.com/events/io/schedule/session/3956992c-52fb-e311-903f-00155d5066d7 will there come a video of it (+ when?) or not?
Jun 26 07:23:44 <gordon_> FrancescoV: probably ?
Jun 26 07:23:53 <gordon_> ask on google+ twitter
Jun 26 07:24:55 <FrancescoV> gordon_: ok thanks
Jun 26 07:33:01 <donniezazen> Why do I keep getting "cannot get method getItemAtPosition(int)"? I am trying to learn Spinner.
Jun 26 07:41:58 <FrancescoV> donniezazazn, can you share your code?
Jun 26 07:44:45 <myke> ahulr: interesting
Jun 26 07:46:06 <ahulr> myke: Any solution?
Jun 26 07:47:56 <thepoosh> this is very good: http://youtu.be/K3meJyiYWFw
Jun 26 07:54:23 <freiform> Hi, I'm drawing a circle which gets streched , unfortunately. Any ideaas what might be causing this? http://pastebin.com/22yuN8SW
Jun 26 07:56:20 <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i am trying to set the background color in my theme using this command
Jun 26 07:56:20 <Psil0Cybin>         <item name="background">#ff2153d1</item>
Jun 26 07:56:28 <Psil0Cybin> it does not seem to like the hex numbers, why is that?
Jun 26 08:03:26 <Jesperhead> Psil0Cybin: I believe with hex color codes, you need to define them in strings.xml, ie     <color name="black">#000000</color>
Jun 26 08:03:44 <Jesperhead> then in your xml use "@color/black"
Jun 26 08:04:36 <Jesperhead> actually im pretty sure that doesnt matter now that i think about it.
Jun 26 08:05:05 <Psil0Cybin> Jesperhead, okay thanks, but sorry how would i change the background color in the theme i am working on
Jun 26 08:05:13 <Psil0Cybin> like not the action bar background
Jun 26 08:05:16 <Psil0Cybin> but the actual white background
Jun 26 08:12:37 <Psil0Cybin> sorry guys what would be the place where i type the command to change the background of my application not the action bar
Jun 26 08:12:38 <Psil0Cybin> ?
Jun 26 08:14:05 <Psil0Cybin> nvm got it :D
Jun 26 08:14:07 <Psil0Cybin> needed the strings
Jun 26 08:20:16 <yaw> my app’s icon is appearing on the launch screen without a label
Jun 26 08:25:36 <ahulr> exit
Jun 26 08:31:58 <Psil0Cybin> yaw, on a vm , or on your actual device?
Jun 26 08:32:11 <yaw> on an actual device
Jun 26 08:35:31 <Jesperhead> yaw: in your androidmanifest, in activity, what is android:label=?
Jun 26 08:36:04 <Jesperhead> correction
Jun 26 08:36:07 <Jesperhead> in <application
Jun 26 08:36:11 <Jesperhead> not activity
Jun 26 08:36:18 <yaw> Jesperhead: which activity? the main activity
Jun 26 08:36:43 <yaw> in <application the label is @string/app_name
Jun 26 08:36:53 <yaw> which has been defined in strings/xml
Jun 26 08:36:56 <Jesperhead> k. now lets take a look at your strings.xml
Jun 26 08:37:01 <Jesperhead> and what is the string there
Jun 26 08:37:10 <Jesperhead> not the string, the line of code
Jun 26 08:37:32 <yaw> <string name="app_name">FoodLine</string>
Jun 26 08:38:04 <Jesperhead> :-/ all i had
Jun 26 08:38:34 <yaw> Jesperhead: thanks :). I’d continue to look and share the solution I find
Jun 26 08:44:52 <Jesperhead> My app is crashing after I log in/log out in my preferences. After i do my login/logout login in a sep activity, I call back to my preferences activity to run adjust_layout() which disables/enables the login/logout button accordingly.
Jun 26 08:45:10 <phasip> If I have inputtype datetime_variation_time, can I make sure the user cannot enter seconds?
Jun 26 08:45:18 <Jesperhead> getting a nullpointerexception :-\
Jun 26 08:57:21 <gdrc> nested fragment argggh
Jun 26 09:00:01 <myke> FRRRAAAAAAAAAGGGGG!
Jun 26 09:00:06 <gordon_> gdrc: you gonna have bad time ;)
Jun 26 09:00:06 <myke> ? /shatner
Jun 26 09:06:58 <Jesperhead> k how about animators, do we have any animators in the house?
Jun 26 09:07:59 <Jesperhead> i cannot figure out this masking for the life of me
Jun 26 09:16:38 <thepoosh> is there a place I can check the status of the gcm services (if they're experiencing uptime issues)?
Jun 26 09:16:59 <skulltower> Can anyone help me out please? I am including a fragment in my activity. The fragment creates a spinner from some values. Everything works but when I select another item, the first one is still shown. Here's the code and image of what it looks like http://pastebin.com/8zqh2Nbb  --- http://i60.tinypic.com/hvupo5.png
Jun 26 09:21:58 <platzhirsch> Does it make sense to use activity + fragment if you use the fragment as an overlay? Hiding the underlying layout?
Jun 26 09:22:22 <nutrino> wats most exciting things u heard in google I/O?
Jun 26 09:23:17 <gordon_> sarcasm about swift ;)
Jun 26 09:23:48 <platzhirsch> really? Were they joking? :D
Jun 26 09:30:12 <kate_r> hi
Jun 26 09:30:34 <kate_r> if i'd like to integrate xmpp into my app as a feature, what's be the best way to go about it?
Jun 26 09:31:36 <gordon_> library
Jun 26 09:31:39 <gordon_> and why xmpp :>
Jun 26 09:31:49 <kate_r> gordon_, hmm something like smack?
Jun 26 09:32:05 <gordon_> dont know which one
Jun 26 09:32:13 <gordon_> but implementing that by yourself is overkill
Jun 26 09:32:22 <kate_r> gordon_, well, it doesn't have to be as long as it supports live messaging
Jun 26 09:34:03 <kate_r> gordon_, if not xmpp, what would you recommend?
Jun 26 09:34:41 <gordon_> hmm
Jun 26 09:34:45 <gordon_> web sockets maybe ?
Jun 26 09:35:27 <kate_r> gordon_, hmm but why not xmpp?
Jun 26 09:35:49 <gordon_> this I cannot answer
Jun 26 09:35:58 <gordon_> you asked for the alternative so I answered
Jun 26 09:36:02 <gordon_> maybe search in google ;)
Jun 26 09:36:32 <nutrino> try this javascript base library for xmpp - http://strophe.im/strophejs/
Jun 26 09:36:40 <kate_r> gordon_, oh right. well, i've done a bit of research and xmpp seems to serve the need
Jun 26 09:37:03 <MarsMarsMars> oh wow! room is full :)
Jun 26 09:37:07 <MarsMarsMars> sup guys!
Jun 26 09:37:08 <gordon_> https://plus.google.com/+IanBicking/posts/QGahRV3gQeH
Jun 26 09:37:14 <Leeds> could also possibly use gcm
Jun 26 09:37:15 <gordon_> http://www.ajanicij.info/content/why-xmpp-over-websocket-connection-manager
Jun 26 09:37:20 <kate_r> nutrino, thanks for that
Jun 26 09:37:22 <gordon_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11994061/using-xmpp-or-websocket-why-there-is-a-server-needed-in-real-time-communication
Jun 26 09:37:49 <gordon_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16617775/xmpp-vs-html5-websocket
Jun 26 09:37:58 <gordon_> read and tell me your answer ;)
Jun 26 09:38:06 <gordon_> maybe I will learn somethinh new
Jun 26 09:39:05 <kate_r> gordon_, oh for one, we'd need to store the log of the chat on server-side
Jun 26 09:39:29 <gordon_> dont see the difference ?
Jun 26 09:41:43 <gordon_> maybe xmpp will be nice
Jun 26 09:41:57 <gordon_> since you know
Jun 26 09:42:07 <gordon_> there are many xmpp clients
Jun 26 09:42:12 <gordon_> you can also get open fire server
Jun 26 09:42:16 <gordon_> and use that
Jun 26 09:50:31 <adkins> i`m tryin to save a string to sharedpreferences and it works, at least after pressing return button and restarting app. but if i long-press return (set up in android settings for closing an app) or reboot device it is not saved because onPause is not triggered (where i save to sharedpreferences). how can i save/restore even @Long-pressing and rebooting?
Jun 26 09:55:43 <Leeds> adkins: couple of things... firstly, that button is called "back" not "return"...
Jun 26 09:55:57 <adkins> Leeds: sorry, right
Jun 26 09:56:06 <Leeds> secondly... save the value earlier, if you're worried?
Jun 26 09:56:28 <adkins> Leeds: good idea ;)
Jun 26 09:57:09 <adkins> even more things? ;)
Jun 26 09:57:20 <adkins> brb
Jun 26 10:11:47 <adkins> Leeds: re
Jun 26 10:12:03 <adkins> was it just 2 things you wanted to tell or even more?
Jun 26 10:12:37 <v8_> is tim roes around?
Jun 26 10:13:07 <v8_> anyone with knowledge about EnhancedListView?
Jun 26 10:14:38 <v8_> anyone?
Jun 26 10:15:47 <v8_> anyone with knowledge about TIM ROES EnhancedListView?
Jun 26 10:16:20 <v8_> Tim
Jun 26 10:16:22 <v8_> Roes
Jun 26 10:16:36 <gordon_> if someone would be there, you would get the answer
Jun 26 10:17:00 <v8_> alright
Jun 26 10:17:03 <v8_> sorry
Jun 26 10:20:24 <gordon_> and maybe ask what you want to know ?
Jun 26 10:22:20 <v8_> gordon_: when I rotate the device (with the undo toast shown) the swiped list item gets completely removed, while it's recovered in the EnhancedListView demo app
Jun 26 10:56:57 <Alfreda> hi all
Jun 26 10:57:37 <Alfreda> i'm new in eclipse.. i'm using eclipse +adt for android, how change Title displayed in upper side of my app? sorry for me but i'm a girl :P
Jun 26 10:58:37 <MarsMarsMars> why are 90% of the messages in this channel timeouts?...
Jun 26 10:59:06 <MarsMarsMars> @alfreda that's no excuse :) EQUALITY BIATTCHH
Jun 26 10:59:09 <MarsMarsMars> hahaha
Jun 26 10:59:29 <kakazza> Alfreda: Actionbar? "getActionBar().setTitle()"
Jun 26 11:00:00 <kakazza> If you're just a beginner, I'd recommend diving right in and using Android Studio instead of Eclipse.
Jun 26 11:00:17 <Alfreda> this i mean : http://postimg.org/image/iw5btwab3/
Jun 26 11:00:28 <Alfreda> i view ever the app title
Jun 26 11:01:57 <Alfreda> kakazza: how to change this?
Jun 26 11:05:50 <Foxandxss> MarsMarsMars: because there are a lot of afk here and for one reason or another they timeout
Jun 26 11:06:29 <MarsMarsMars> is it always like that or is something wrong with the server ?
Jun 26 11:06:38 <MarsMarsMars> @Foxandxss
Jun 26 11:10:01 <skulltower> Can anyone help me out please? I am including a fragment in my activity. The fragment creates a spinner from some values. Everything works but when I select another item, the first one is still shown. Here's the code and image of what it looks like http://pastebin.com/8zqh2Nbb  --- http://i60.tinypic.com/hvupo5.png
Jun 26 11:10:33 <danijoo> skulltower: problem is in line 23
Jun 26 11:11:52 <danijoo> try this instead https://gist.github.com/danijoo/f656547c16b77d9e4fe3
Jun 26 11:12:17 <nutrino> what is best way to develop cross platform app (Android, iOS and win phone etc)?
Jun 26 11:12:44 <danijoo> the fragment manager automatically reataches an old fragment on screen rotation. What you are doing is recreating it on your own again, which will cause multiple fragments overlaying each other
Jun 26 11:12:49 <danijoo> my code snippet prevents that
Jun 26 11:14:45 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:14:57 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:14:58 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:14:59 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:14:59 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:15:00 <socrat> i have got SIGSEGV crash, can anybody guide me to debug
Jun 26 11:15:23 <danijoo> good job for making everybody NOT wanting to help you.
Jun 26 11:15:49 <Sicp> ban that guy!
Jun 26 11:16:07 <Sicp> angryMob.aggravate()
Jun 26 11:16:49 <socrat> i am  new here, tell me if somthing is wrong with me
Jun 26 11:17:26 <danijoo> the number of ctrl+v was wrong
Jun 26 11:17:29 <skulltower> danijoo, i made the change but it still gives the same results :/
Jun 26 11:18:12 <danijoo> did you make both changes? the if-clause AND the change in fragmentTransaction.add ?
Jun 26 11:18:16 <heinrisch> Does anyone know when the updated support libs will be out?
Jun 26 11:18:17 <Sicp> something is wrong with you
Jun 26 11:18:57 <skulltower> danijoo, yeah :|
Jun 26 11:19:00 <danijoo> heinrisch: as they said "today", I would guess in about 6 hours (when its evening in PST)
Jun 26 11:19:38 <danijoo> skulltower: can you show me your activity_book.xml?
Jun 26 11:19:39 <heinrisch> danijoo: thanks, I did only hear that about the preview. Did not hear anything about the support libs
Jun 26 11:19:56 <danijoo> heinrisch: same here. but i'd guess they will release it all together
Jun 26 11:20:18 <heinrisch> hopefully :)
Jun 26 11:20:26 <skulltower> danijoo, it's there in pastebin
Jun 26 11:20:37 <danijoo> oh sorry
Jun 26 11:20:42 <danijoo> didnt see it
Jun 26 11:20:46 <danijoo> yeah. i see the problem
Jun 26 11:20:54 <danijoo> You are still adding it twice
Jun 26 11:21:00 <danijoo> once in XML, and once in java code
Jun 26 11:22:23 <danijoo> you can either remove all that fragment code from the activity, or rewrite your xml like this: https://gist.github.com/danijoo/bd3462d345262eccdc24
Jun 26 11:22:42 <danijoo> I would go with second because fragments defined in XML have some disadvantages
Jun 26 11:24:45 <skulltower> danijoo, wow. I thought i have to declare fragment in xml to be able to add something to it
Jun 26 11:25:07 <skulltower> danijoo, thanks a lot! it's much clearer now
Jun 26 11:25:40 <danijoo> skulltower: no :) you can add fragments to every viewgroup. in fact you are _kinda_ replacing that viewgroup with the fragment
Jun 26 11:25:54 <danijoo> or put it on top of it, filling its while space
Jun 26 11:30:01 <skulltower> danijoo, so am i free to remove that myTag check now?
Jun 26 11:30:11 <danijoo> no
Jun 26 11:30:25 <danijoo> because if you rotate the screen, onCreate will be called again
Jun 26 11:30:34 <danijoo> but you dont want to recreate the fragment in this case
Jun 26 11:30:45 <danijoo> the fragmentmanager will handle that for you. thats why you need the check
Jun 26 11:31:00 <skulltower> danijoo, is it something i should do with all the fragments then?
Jun 26 11:31:05 <danijoo> yes.
Jun 26 11:31:20 <skulltower> danijoo, i see. great, thanks again :)
Jun 26 11:31:30 <danijoo> if you dont, on every screen rotate you will create a new frag and put it on top of the old, consuming more and more memory
Jun 26 11:31:38 <danijoo> but be sure to use a different tag for each one :p
Jun 26 11:32:03 <skulltower> danijoo, yes that much i understand xD
Jun 26 11:32:09 <danijoo> : >
Jun 26 11:34:10 <osxorgate> how can i have a background of a layout that will also add padding to the layout? I want to have a line on the bottom, where there can be no subviews. preferrably in xml
Jun 26 11:40:57 <danijoo> osxorgate: seems like you have to create a subview for that
Jun 26 11:41:28 <danijoo> maybe a layout containing a viewgroup for your content along with the view of the line which has some margin from bottom
Jun 26 11:41:59 <danijoo> or you create an image and set the padding according to the pixel in the image
Jun 26 11:42:18 <osxorgate> i want to avoid having to create extra views
Jun 26 11:43:16 <danijoo> if you have a background image with that line, you could set android:paddingBottom according to the margin of the line
Jun 26 11:43:28 <danijoo> not a fancy solution though :o
Jun 26 11:46:40 <vozz> Is it possible to have a sliding pane layout where the children don't overlap? I want the first pane to fill the width of the screen, and to be able to swipe from the very edge to access the second pane
Jun 26 11:47:34 <danijoo> if one child fills the complete screen, how do you want to show the second without overlapping?
Jun 26 11:49:54 <d0de> Can you recommend a good intermediate-level guide to android layout? Everything in the docs seems to be super basic. I think I understand the basic syntax but I'm struggling to create an orderly layout
Jun 26 11:50:10 <myke> good q d0de
Jun 26 11:50:14 <vozz> danijoo: I want to be able to swipe it in, and it can overlap then, but before any swiping it should be hidden
Jun 26 11:50:28 <myke> layout is an entire skillset really
Jun 26 11:50:47 <myke> and not one of mine...i'm a backend troll
Jun 26 11:51:24 <danijoo> layout is try-and-error, but with some time you get a feel for it..
Jun 26 11:51:42 <danijoo> vozz: You mean like in the playstore app?
Jun 26 11:51:54 <MarsMarsMars> does anybody know something like shortcutfoo for mac?
Jun 26 11:52:11 <vozz> danijoo: Yes but I want to be swiping from the right
Jun 26 11:52:29 <vozz> and the swiped in pane should cover the full screen also
Jun 26 11:52:32 <danijoo> vozz: Thats called DrawerLayout and is available via android support package
Jun 26 11:52:51 <vozz> drawerlayout is more for menus is it not?
Jun 26 11:52:55 <d0de> myke, if you'd told me a month ago that I'd ever say "I miss CSS", I wouldn't have believed you
Jun 26 11:53:08 <vozz> I'm definitely doing more of a detail view thing
Jun 26 11:53:09 <danijoo> you can put anything in it. fragments, lists, views..
Jun 26 11:53:15 <vozz> okay, I'll have a look, thanks
Jun 26 11:53:22 <danijoo> but it cant cover the actionbar though
Jun 26 11:53:59 <vozz> Ah, but the reason I want to use a sliding pane layout is because on a tablet I want to show both side by side
Jun 26 11:54:10 <vozz> can the drawer do that?
Jun 26 11:54:38 <danijoo> it may can. but you shouldnt do it that wa
Jun 26 11:54:39 <danijoo> y
Jun 26 11:55:05 <danijoo> you should provide different layout xmls for tablet (showing both panes) and phones (showing one pane + drawer)
Jun 26 11:55:25 <vozz> hm okay
Jun 26 11:55:27 <vozz> thanks a lot
Jun 26 11:55:42 <danijoo> theres a design guide for exactly that usecase from google
Jun 26 11:55:47 <danijoo> let me see if i can find it
Jun 26 11:55:51 <danzat> Hey, is it possible to "install" a library project on a device? Or are library projects only for static linking
Jun 26 11:56:23 <danijoo> here you go: http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/tablets-and-handsets.html
Jun 26 11:56:38 <danijoo> danzat: they are for including in your real project
Jun 26 11:56:47 <danijoo> and will be kinda "merged" into it
Jun 26 11:56:53 <flan3002> danzat: All library projects end up in the .jar and later .apk. You shouldn't install them.
Jun 26 11:56:59 <vozz> thanks a lot
Jun 26 11:57:42 <danzat> So there's no way I can have some jar/apk like the ones in /system/framework
Jun 26 11:58:11 <danzat> *odex/apk
Jun 26 11:58:18 <flan3002> danzat: You mean dynamically loading apk?
Jun 26 11:58:23 <danzat> yes
Jun 26 11:59:04 <flan3002> danzat: Well, that's possible. What do you need it for, there may be more sensible solutions?
Jun 26 12:00:07 <danzat> We have some in-house applications which share some functionality. I'd like to export it to a library, and not compile it statically into every application we have
Jun 26 12:02:37 <d0de> danijoo, thanks, I know that wasn't for me but it's very helpfup
Jun 26 12:05:33 <danzat> flan3002: What did you have in mind?
Jun 26 12:06:59 <flan3002> danzat: I don't think that's a sensible idea. Some applications have used it to pass the method amount limit, but just saving space is not a good reason to justify the huge additional complexity. How big is that library?
Jun 26 12:08:13 <danzat> flan3002: Not very large, yet, but how complicated is the dynamic solution?
Jun 26 12:09:07 <danzat> flan3002: Just humour me
Jun 26 12:10:18 <d0de> I'm trying to get the value of an EditText from the fragment that the EditText is in. (I added it using a custom layout). But I just get "The method findViewById(int) is undefined for the type TimeInputFragment"
Jun 26 12:12:48 <d0de> oh, I need to use getView() ?
Jun 26 12:17:39 <flan3002> danzat: Well, for one, you'd have to install these _shared libraries_, which would take more effort than it's worth already. Then, you have to load it, which already presents another challenge: If you run ART, the files are highly unlikely to already be compiled. Which would have been no problem if you put them in your installation .apk.
Jun 26 12:18:08 <flan3002> danzat: Just loading these dex files is not that hard. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6857807/is-it-possible-to-dynamically-load-a-library-at-runtime-from-an-android-applicat
Jun 26 12:19:25 <danzat> flan3002: I see
Jun 26 12:19:45 <flan3002> danzat: But what does it help? You save 100 kilobyte?
Jun 26 12:20:19 <danzat> flan3002: My intention was to save network usage
Jun 26 12:20:37 <danzat> flan3002: When deploying updates to multiple applications
Jun 26 12:20:38 <flan3002> danzat: So we're speaking of an application on Play?
Jun 26 12:20:55 <danzat> flan3002: No, it's an in-house application suite
Jun 26 12:21:20 <Alfreda> i have add a Image button
Jun 26 12:21:28 <Alfreda> but my image is reduced
Jun 26 12:21:30 <flan3002> danzat: Please. How big is the library? Approximately.
Jun 26 12:21:34 <Alfreda> how i can do for enlarge it?
Jun 26 12:21:46 <Alfreda> i have add a Image button but my image is reduced how i can do for enlarge it?
Jun 26 12:22:16 <danzat> Right now, 1.9MiB
Jun 26 12:22:44 <flan3002> danzat: And how does it cost to transfer those 1.9MiB a hundred times?
Jun 26 12:23:03 <flan3002> Assuming you update it hundred times, which you shouldn't.
Jun 26 12:23:29 <danzat> When the server is under load, it will be significant
Jun 26 12:24:28 <danzat> flan3002: There are much more than 100 employees in my company
Jun 26 12:25:04 <flan3002> danzat: Well. It's your choice. It's probably not worth it, but if you want to give it a try...
Jun 26 12:26:21 <danzat> flan3002: Thanks for the help :)
Jun 26 12:27:21 <gdrc> I'm trying to download a pdf with java. I make a get call, I get the body content of http response, convert to byte[] and write to file. File is created but any pdf view can't open it. any idea?
Jun 26 12:27:47 <freiform> Hi, I'm drawing a circle which gets streched because the view is not square. If the view is forced to be square, the circle is indeed a circle. Has this to do with the units used to draw the circle?  http://pastebin.com/22yuN8SW
Jun 26 12:28:16 <flan3002> gdrc: You should try to identify what part of the process doesn't work. E.g. pull the file and try to view it locally.
Jun 26 12:28:50 <gdrc> On the pc?
Jun 26 12:29:08 <Alfreda> i have add a Image button but my image is reduced how i can do for enlarge it?
Jun 26 12:29:17 <Alfreda> thanks
Jun 26 12:29:21 <flan3002> freiform: You paint to a bitmap. The circle on the bitmap itself will be normal, but when you stretch the bitmap by setting it as the background, it won't.
Jun 26 12:29:56 <flan3002> gdrc: Yes.
Jun 26 12:30:03 <gdrc> flan3002: it's blank.
Jun 26 12:30:05 <Alfreda> flan3002: help me?
Jun 26 12:30:31 <flan3002> gdrc: Debug and find out if the byte[] is empty.
Jun 26 12:30:47 <gdrc> of course it's not. the file is 132kb
Jun 26 12:31:13 <gdrc> here's what I receive http://pastebin.com/Y3xSTxSn lol
Jun 26 12:31:16 <flan3002> gdrc: Flushed or closed?
Jun 26 12:31:21 <flan3002> Alfreda: Code?
Jun 26 12:31:35 <Alfreda> waht?
Jun 26 12:31:46 <Alfreda> i want enlarge only image in ImageButton
Jun 26 12:31:57 <gdrc> flan3002: I write data, flush and clsoe the fileoutputstream
Jun 26 12:32:07 <flan3002> Okay, wait a second for me to load the online docs...
Jun 26 12:32:29 <freiform> flan3002: how can I prevent the stretching?
Jun 26 12:32:38 <flan3002> gdrc: Is the file you're downloading really only 132 kb big?
Jun 26 12:32:50 <gdrc> yes
Jun 26 12:33:16 <flan3002> Hash the file when downloaded from PC and when downloaded from your app.
Jun 26 12:33:31 <flan3002> Compare hashsums, so we know if it's wrong.
Jun 26 12:34:00 <MarsMarsMars> is it possible to detect activity\fragment onResume from inside a custom view?
Jun 26 12:34:11 <d0de> I'm struggling to get an EditText in a fragment from the same fragment. I'm using myText = (EditText)getActivity().findViewById(R.id.MyId); but I get a null pointer exception when I try to extract the value
Jun 26 12:35:39 <flan3002> freiform, Alfreda: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20075350/android-imagebutton-do-not-stretch-image
Jun 26 12:37:04 <d0de> can an activity see elements in an attached fragment with findViewById?
Jun 26 12:41:17 <Zylinx> im using org.json.simple (not for long i hate it) but say i have a JSONArray of JSONObjects, inside one of those objects is a unique string. is it possible to get the index of the JSONObject containing that unique string ?
Jun 26 12:41:55 <Zylinx> ^without using loops
Jun 26 12:42:55 <flan3002> freiform, Alfreda: If you didn't see from the above link, you want this method: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/ImageView.html#setScaleType(android.widget.ImageView.ScaleType)
Jun 26 12:45:35 <vklimkov> hi. I want to display image in YUP420 format in android native window. is there any way to do that directly?
Jun 26 12:51:56 <highcup> Anyone ever see onItemCheckedStateChanged not fire for an AbsListView while it's in action mode and you're tapping on list items?
Jun 26 12:52:38 <highcup> Or is onItemCheckedStateChanged purely for pre-honeycomb android versions?
Jun 26 13:04:34 <Syzygy> did i understand correctly that android L developer preview will be released later today?
Jun 26 13:04:48 <snowpong> Syzygy: thats what they said
Jun 26 13:04:53 <snowpong> "made available"
Jun 26 13:04:59 <MarsMarsMars> yeah but my shitty htc will never see a rom with android L
Jun 26 13:05:20 <snowpong> have they dropped names and are just going for letters now btw?
Jun 26 13:05:21 <MarsMarsMars> why Looorddd!!!! WHHYYYY
Jun 26 13:05:32 <danijoo> what do you think. will the n4 get android L in the future?
Jun 26 13:05:51 <danijoo> snowpong: I think they just dont want to tell us what "L" is before the release
Jun 26 13:06:11 <danijoo> to keep the rumors and publicity
Jun 26 13:06:13 <snowpong> danijoo: I hope so too. It's a lot better to google for ICS than I
Jun 26 13:07:51 <danijoo> http://mashable.com/2014/06/25/google-android-l-letters/
Jun 26 13:08:11 <danijoo> thanks internet. you've been too helpful today .. ^^'
Jun 26 13:09:39 <Syzygy> so presumably it will be lollipop
Jun 26 13:10:09 <Kevel> Hey
Jun 26 13:10:15 <Syzygy> or liquorice, but I don't like the taste of that
Jun 26 13:10:15 <Kevel> is google android maps v2 location services down
Jun 26 13:10:17 <Kevel> or something
Jun 26 13:10:21 <Kevel> i can load gmaps fine
Jun 26 13:10:25 <Kevel> but i cant get a location
Jun 26 13:14:36 <Syzygy> so any guess on what phones the android L preview can be installed on?
Jun 26 13:14:58 <therue> anyone run IntelliJ on a Mac by any chance?
Jun 26 13:21:12 <Zylinx> IntelliJ looks pretty cool
Jun 26 13:21:19 <Zylinx> kinda like eclipse
Jun 26 13:21:25 <DarkChaoz> do i use cursorloader to return results from db query?
Jun 26 13:21:26 <DarkChaoz> http://pastebin.com/zBPNFF0p
Jun 26 13:21:28 * flan3002 hides from DarkChaoz.
Jun 26 13:21:32 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 26 13:21:38 <DarkChaoz> im not staying xD
Jun 26 13:21:49 <DarkChaoz> just one question then i disappear :P
Jun 26 13:24:13 <markmarkmark> Syzygy: I think that in the "What's new in Android" session yesterday Chet Haase said the L preview would be available for Nexus 5/7
Jun 26 13:25:58 * DarkChaoz still waiting.. :/
Jun 26 13:26:22 <Syzygy> hmm, not sure if i want the nexus 5
Jun 26 13:26:32 <Syzygy> would be more interesting in getting a galaxy s 5
Jun 26 13:27:57 <markmarkmark> DarkChaoz: yes
Jun 26 13:29:08 <DarkChaoz> ok thought so,
Jun 26 13:29:12 <DarkChaoz> now bye :p
Jun 26 13:38:48 <p3lim> Installed Android Studio (0.6.1), filled in details for new project, program has been stuck on "Gradle: Build" for 30 minutes
Jun 26 13:39:10 <p3lim> Like this: http://i.imgur.com/KS9xze2.png
Jun 26 13:43:45 <ELFrederich> Have a very peculiar problem.  When I tether my Nexus 5 to my Nexus 7 I cannot visit any google.com site from the Nexus 7.  I did a factory reset on my phone and same problem.  I swapped SIM cards with my wife and then it worked, when I went back to my SIM it didn't.
Jun 26 13:43:52 <ELFrederich> ... I can visit other sites, but not any google.com site
Jun 26 13:44:50 <heinrisch> ELFrederich: sounds like a DNS problem
Jun 26 13:45:07 <ELFrederich> heinrisch, is DNS tied to the SIM card in some way?
Jun 26 13:45:35 <heinrisch> I'm not sure how those settings are stored when it comes to mobile
Jun 26 13:45:48 <heinrisch> are you and your wife on the same carrier?
Jun 26 13:45:53 <ELFrederich> I can visit google.com from my phone, just not when it is tethered to my nexus 7
Jun 26 13:46:01 <ELFrederich> heinrisch, yes... both t-mobile
Jun 26 13:46:28 <heinrisch> ok, you could try some dns or trace software to see what is happening
Jun 26 13:46:56 <ELFrederich> on the Nexus 7?
Jun 26 13:47:09 <ELFrederich> problem is I can't connect the Nexus 7 to the play store to download any dns tracing app
Jun 26 13:47:16 <flan3002> p3lim: We aren't dead. Yet.
Jun 26 13:47:33 <flan3002> We just don't always know how to answer your questions.
Jun 26 13:47:42 <MarsMarsMars> lol
Jun 26 13:47:53 <ELFrederich> heinrisch, I have adb access though on the nexus 7... can I do some dns tracing there?
Jun 26 13:47:55 <MarsMarsMars> yes we do, we just don't want to help
Jun 26 13:48:03 <MarsMarsMars> j/k
Jun 26 13:49:12 <p3lim> I don't understand when something as big as an official google IDE for android development can fail at installing, updating AND starting
Jun 26 13:49:42 <p3lim> When I installed it failed to find my JDK, even though I had JAVA_HOME env set up properly
Jun 26 13:50:12 <p3lim> And when I tried to update to 0.6.1 it crashed until I found out by googling for 20 minutes that I had to run a bat file hidden deep in the files to make it work
Jun 26 13:50:14 <flan3002> I don't use Gradle, so I can't help...
Jun 26 13:50:31 <p3lim> And lastly, this thing with gradle, there is not even an option to turn it off!
Jun 26 13:50:36 <flan3002> But Android Studio is just that... Beta software.
Jun 26 13:50:43 <tiagowanke> hi
Jun 26 13:50:50 <heinrisch> ELFrederich: you can try doing "adb shell", and then "ping google.com"
Jun 26 13:51:03 <p3lim> Even though it's beta, basic functionality such as starting up should work
Jun 26 13:51:09 <p3lim> Especially since it's public
Jun 26 13:51:17 <flan3002> p3lim: Well... There isn't really, but you could have created the project differently and become an "IDE bitch". Not much better. :)
Jun 26 13:51:30 <flan3002> p3lim: It does work for some people, apparently.
Jun 26 13:51:34 <tiagowanke> is there any google official measure of the versions of android usage?
Jun 26 13:51:51 <heinrisch> tiagowanke: yes, one sec
Jun 26 13:51:55 <ELFrederich> heinrisch, not working... just sitting there.  PING google.com (74.125.131.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
Jun 26 13:51:56 <p3lim> If it works for some people, I'd like to know how they've managed to make it run
Jun 26 13:52:09 <ELFrederich> heinrisch, but I can't ping xkcd.com either and that website loads fine
Jun 26 13:52:13 <heinrisch> tiagowanke: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Jun 26 13:52:19 <ELFrederich> so I don't think ping is a good test
Jun 26 13:52:32 <flan3002> ELFrederich: xkcd loads from the device?
Jun 26 13:52:35 <tiagowanke> heinrisch: tnk u very mutch
Jun 26 13:52:56 <ELFrederich> flan3002, xkcd.com loads in Chrome on my Nexus 7 tethered to my Nexus 5
Jun 26 13:52:57 <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows whether Android can make use of bluetooth HS?
Jun 26 13:53:18 <ELFrederich> flan3002, but I can't ping xkcd.com from adb on my Nexus 7... so I don't think ping is a good test
Jun 26 13:53:54 <heinrisch> ELFrederich: it was a good test, since you find google's IP, so it should not be the dns
Jun 26 13:55:17 <ELFrederich> any other ideas to test?
Jun 26 13:56:04 <Alfreda> hi, i have a Mainacivity that has a status bar in upper side with icon and APPName, now how i can do for insert this in an other layout?
Jun 26 13:56:06 <Alfreda> thanks
Jun 26 13:57:24 <gdrc> what is the sense of use always open navigation drawer?
Jun 26 13:57:43 <ELFrederich> I don't know how this tethering works but I find it weird that I can use the play store and visit news.google.com on my phone but not on things tethered to my phone.
Jun 26 13:58:30 <gdrc> cmon google its' the 26th
Jun 26 14:01:24 <mattblang_> gdrc I was all excited, until I realized we have a Nexus 4, not 5
Jun 26 14:01:44 <mattblang_> but I'll just have to live vicariously through yall
Jun 26 14:04:58 <Zharf> vicariously I, live while the whole world dies, you all need it too, don't lie
Jun 26 14:08:45 <Alfreda> hi, how i can realized a gallery of image in a folder in a url? for example www.mysite.com/img/
Jun 26 14:08:46 <Alfreda> ?
Jun 26 14:09:29 <Dev007> Hey guys I haven't develoed for andoid in a few years now, I want to start up again and was wondering if I can just use android studio and not eclipse?
Jun 26 14:10:07 <dragorn> Dev007: you certainly can, I use AS exclusively and have for a year or so now
Jun 26 14:10:16 <dragorn> Dev007: expect some hassle getting to learn gradle, other than that
Jun 26 14:10:29 <Dev007> Ok I just wanted to make sure it can be used primetime
Jun 26 14:11:29 <Dev007> I have to learn gradle? dragorn
Jun 26 14:11:45 <yaw> is it common to hide UI elements using android:visibility?
Jun 26 14:12:04 <heinrisch> yaw: yes
Jun 26 14:12:04 <dragorn> AS does some of it, but you're going to need to learn enough to fix when AS screws up, or when you update, or similar things.
Jun 26 14:12:22 <Alfreda> Hi i'm using eclipse adt and i have 2 layout, in upper side i view app_name in both layout.... how i can change this text only in 1 layout?
Jun 26 14:12:44 <heinrisch> yaw: use invisible if it should still take up space in the layout, and gone if it should not take up space.
Jun 26 14:13:20 <yaw> heinrisch: it should. it shows after I have updated another UI element
Jun 26 14:13:37 <heinrisch> Alfreda: I would recommend that you read through some basic andoir tutorials
Jun 26 14:13:52 <yaw> for some of them (buttons) their caption depends on the results returned after an API call
Jun 26 14:14:24 <heinrisch> how are you updating the other element? are you recreating anything?
Jun 26 14:15:02 <jvrodrigues> what is the most up-to-date way of implementing a simple xmpp interaction between the application and a server?
Jun 26 14:15:17 <jvrodrigues> basically it's a simple chat system between all users using the application, no fancy stuff
Jun 26 14:15:40 <Dev007> So dragon is it too much of a hassle to use AS for the benifits? Do the pros outweigh the cons.
Jun 26 14:17:04 <Dev007> *dragorn ^
Jun 26 14:17:31 <Black_ixx> hey
Jun 26 14:17:45 <flan3002> Hey, you managed to register. :)
Jun 26 14:17:51 <Black_ixx> finally :D
Jun 26 14:18:25 <flan3002> Ask your question again for everyone else. :)
Jun 26 14:18:53 <Dev007> Is it too much of a hassle to use AS for the benifits? Do the pros outweigh the cons.
Jun 26 14:19:12 <Dev007> everyone ^
Jun 26 14:19:17 <flan3002> Dev007: Only you can decide that for yourself.
Jun 26 14:19:29 <flan3002> I don't use AS, I prefer IntelliJ.
Jun 26 14:19:42 <Black_ixx> I've got a little question... Soo I want to create a map making tool for desktop which saves the maps in text files which then can be put in the resources of an android app and loaded by the app. I've already created a custom storage class which works with the "File" class  of java. Now I just need to somehow create a File via the resource id of the text files...
Jun 26 14:20:35 <d0de> what's the correct way to hide the soft keyboard after the user has hit the "submit" button on my text-entry form?
Jun 26 14:20:53 <ELFrederich> just called into t-mobile... while I was on the phone with them my Nexus 7 started showing a t-mobile splash page for wifi hotspot when I visit google.com
Jun 26 14:20:56 <d0de> I don't want to interfere with the keyboard reappearing at some later point in the activity
Jun 26 14:21:13 <mattblang_> Dev007 Hey man!  I will HIGHLY recommend Android Studio.  no way in hell I'd go back to Eclipse + ADT now.  You will probalby have a little frustration at first, since you were used to Eclipse.  You will need to learn Gradle, but believe me, it rocks.
Jun 26 14:21:18 <ELFrederich> I thought if I had a pure nexus device and used the built in tethering that t-mobile couldn't tell the difference
Jun 26 14:21:18 <Leeds> ELFrederich: are you working on a tethering app?
Jun 26 14:21:31 <Black_ixx> what I need is:        File file = new File(  <I don't know what's in here. I have the resource id and that's it> )
Jun 26 14:21:43 <Black_ixx> maybe via an inputstream?
Jun 26 14:21:44 <mattblang_> Dev007 We released our version 1 app at my company on Eclipse ADT, then switched to AS.  Been on AS full time since.
Jun 26 14:21:49 <flan3002> Black_ixx: You don't want to use resource ids for that, as it would require recompilation.
Jun 26 14:22:09 <Black_ixx> so maybe the direct path of the file instead?
Jun 26 14:22:10 <Dev007> mattblang_ will do thanks for the advice
Jun 26 14:22:11 <flan3002> Black_ixx: Rather, you'll probably want loading files from internal/external storage.
Jun 26 14:22:39 <Black_ixx> flan3002: you mean I should save the files on the device and then load 'em?
Jun 26 14:22:55 <flan3002> Black_ixx: Yes.
Jun 26 14:23:10 <Black_ixx> hm
Jun 26 14:23:39 <Black_ixx> sounds like a good et
Jun 26 14:23:41 <Black_ixx> entry*
Jun 26 14:23:47 <Black_ixx> I'll try that out. Thanks :D
Jun 26 14:23:59 <flan3002> Black_ixx: :)
Jun 26 14:25:16 <jvrodrigues> what is the best way to implement an xmpp chat in android?
Jun 26 14:25:28 <flan3002> Do we need another?
Jun 26 14:26:49 <flan3002> jvrodrigues: http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/libraries/
Jun 26 14:27:37 <jvrodrigues> flan3002, thansk
Jun 26 14:27:56 <flan3002> jvrodrigues: If you have to thank for that, google next time before asking. :)
Jun 26 14:28:45 <jvrodrigues> i googled, but i all that i found were a ton of posts from 4 years ago. I though i'd want something more uptodate, dowloaded a few libraries, some targetting api 2.
Jun 26 14:28:53 <jvrodrigues> felt i was way over my head and i should ask
Jun 26 14:29:29 <ELFrederich> You need to add a new entry to the global table called "tether_dun_required" with a value of 0.
Jun 26 14:29:37 <flan3002> jvrodrigues: Why do you want to build another XMPP client, if I may ask?
Jun 26 14:29:41 <ELFrederich> ... to /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db
Jun 26 14:29:46 <ELFrederich> how can I do that?
Jun 26 14:29:53 <ELFrederich> is there an app to edit the sqlite database?
Jun 26 14:30:08 <Leeds> ELFrederich: are you working on a tethering app?
Jun 26 14:30:24 <mattblang_> flan3002 some people want to just practice development and need a reason too, just sayin
Jun 26 14:30:33 <ELFrederich> Leeds, no.. I'm trying to get tethering working.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47203432&postcount=70
Jun 26 14:30:43 <flan3002> mattblang_: Sure, but maybe something... cooler than an XMPP client? :P
Jun 26 14:30:44 <Leeds> ELFrederich: then why are you asking in the app development channel?
Jun 26 14:30:50 <mattblang_> flan3002 lol!
Jun 26 14:30:52 <ELFrederich> Leeds, oh... sorry
Jun 26 14:31:10 <flan3002> ELFrederich: SQL Debugger.
Jun 26 14:31:21 <flan3002> ELFrederich: SQLite Debugger. Sorry.
Jun 26 14:31:32 <Alfreda> Hi i'm using eclipse adt and i have 2 layout, in upper side i view app_name in both layout.... how i can change this text only in 1 layout?
Jun 26 14:32:15 <jvrodrigues> flan i need to implement an xmpp interface for user communication within the application
Jun 26 14:32:21 <jvrodrigues> it HAS to be xmpp
Jun 26 14:32:30 <jonc> Question about services
Jun 26 14:32:52 <jonc> is there a reason my service would be starting before my activity?
Jun 26 14:33:39 <mattblang_> jvrodrigues you are probably thinking right now, "man, if I knew asking a question would turn into an incquisition..."
Jun 26 14:36:35 <Napalm> jvrodrigues: you want this http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/smack/
Jun 26 14:37:11 <Napalm> jvrodrigues: heres an example of using smack with gcm to do xmpp https://developer.android.com/google/gcm/ccs.html#smack
Jun 26 14:37:19 <jvrodrigues> i see
Jun 26 14:37:21 <jvrodrigues> thanks N
Jun 26 14:37:26 <jvrodrigues> Napalm*
Jun 26 14:37:31 <jvrodrigues> http://developer.samsung.com/android/technical-docs/Building-a-Chat-Application# i was looking at this
Jun 26 14:37:47 <ELFrederich> flan3002, I don't see an option for insert, just update, delete, select, from, where, and order by
Jun 26 14:38:16 <Napalm> jvrodrigues: what are you trying to build? a chat app?
Jun 26 14:39:15 <flan3002> ELFrederich: Tried manually typing the insertion?
Jun 26 14:40:08 <Syzygy> is there any word on when the google fit API will be released? I know they'll release a lot of stuff today, any chance google fit will be part of that?
Jun 26 14:42:12 <Alfreda> Hi i'm new on eclipse adt. I have 2 layout, in upper side i view app_name in both layout....  how i can change this text only in 1 layout? -->http://postimg.org/image/6brn0twl7/
Jun 26 14:43:19 <platzhirsch> What would you rather suggest... sending the AsyncTask result object via Event Bus to the activity or store the AsyncTask reference in the activity and get it on the event callback?
Jun 26 14:43:34 <platzhirsch> I don't want to update the interface elements directly in the onPostExecute method
Jun 26 14:45:14 <platzhirsch> alas, can I expect some stuipid overhead when sending pojos via event bus
Jun 26 14:45:24 <ELFrederich> flan3002, yeah... I got it.  Figured they'd have a shortcut for that.
Jun 26 14:46:56 <jonc> platzhirsch, all Eventbus is is a clever set of listeners and senders
Jun 26 14:47:26 <platzhirsch> jonc: yeah, I mean I wouldn't expect it to induce any overhead, I am just wondering if this approach of mine would be complete bonkers
Jun 26 14:48:03 <jonc> it uses introspection to find the events that an object that registers will receive, makes those into listeners and then boom good to go, the only real overhead is registering, sending is just going to be n function calls
Jun 26 14:50:42 <Alfreda> Hi i'm new on eclipse adt. I have 2 layout, in upper side i view app_name in both layout....  how i can change this text only in 1 layout? -->http://postimg.org/image/6brn0twl7/
Jun 26 14:51:01 <Alfreda> Hi i'm new on eclipse adt. I have 2 layout, in upper side i view app_name in both layout....  how i can change this text only in 1 layout? -->http://s14.postimg.org/boa5cxfup/Untitled.jpg
Jun 26 14:53:10 <jvrodrigues> Napalm, i'm implementing a chat interface for user communication in the app i'm building
Jun 26 15:05:07 <pfn> hmm, which linux dist ships with btrfs as a default fs now?
Jun 26 15:06:48 <Foxandxss> I don't think on any
Jun 26 15:06:59 <Foxandxss> well, actually, you can format in what you want
Jun 26 15:07:05 <Foxandxss> so, maybe all of them
Jun 26 15:07:57 <pfn> opensuse
Jun 26 15:08:02 <Foxandxss> can't wait to L preview, grrr
Jun 26 15:10:45 <g00s> i think these guys are watching the "whats new in android session" http://imgur.com/cxiFRpM
Jun 26 15:11:54 <capella> http://martinvalasek.com/blog/pictures-from-a-developers-life
Jun 26 15:12:37 <d0de> What UI element should I use to display a countdown to the user? Time will be counting down from some arbitrary amount to 0
Jun 26 15:12:44 <pfn> a TextView
Jun 26 15:12:53 <pfn> Chronometer is stupid...
Jun 26 15:13:17 <g00s> capella hehe, thats great
Jun 26 15:13:25 <Foxandxss> yeah, textview
Jun 26 15:13:30 <d0de> kk, thanks
Jun 26 15:13:58 <platzhirsch> Is there a bundle alternative where I can put it non-parcelable/serialiazble objects?
Jun 26 15:14:07 <platzhirsch> I don't want to use it for intents or stuff
Jun 26 15:14:14 <platzhirsch> just like a map
Jun 26 15:14:19 <g00s> platzhirsch your own holder class :)
Jun 26 15:14:31 <platzhirsch> g00s: yeah, basically...
Jun 26 15:14:40 <g00s> yeah too bad we don't have tuples
Jun 26 15:14:44 <platzhirsch> Pairs
Jun 26 15:14:52 <d0de> I was just gonna implement the countdown myself with a runnable and some modulo arithmetic, is that sensible?
Jun 26 15:14:56 <g00s> i wouldn't use Pair though, readability is poor
Jun 26 15:15:09 <platzhirsch> yep
Jun 26 15:15:09 <d0de> I mean the countdown function, not the UI
Jun 26 15:15:10 <g00s> Chronometer is stupid, but it does work
Jun 26 15:15:22 <g00s> just use the right time base XD
Jun 26 15:15:50 <frankdrey> "just like a map"
Jun 26 15:15:52 <frankdrey> So...
Jun 26 15:15:55 <frankdrey> A Map?
Jun 26 15:16:06 <d0de> g00s, what do you mean by time base please?
Jun 26 15:16:25 <g00s> d0de you use system up time, not wall time
Jun 26 15:16:43 <g00s> frankdrey wishes he was using lua :)
Jun 26 15:17:02 <frankdrey> Java has Map...
Jun 26 15:17:37 <d0de> g00s, I was just going to use a runnable running every 1000ms to tick down
Jun 26 15:18:11 <frankdrey> I guess you meant objects of different types
Jun 26 15:18:30 <g00s> can do that. same thing with Chrono though, when your activity goes to bg you'll have to stop that, maybe save what was last displayed, etc
Jun 26 15:18:34 <frankdrey> (Put as Object and cast back?:D)
Jun 26 15:18:57 * g00s can't wait to play with listview2
Jun 26 15:19:06 <d0de> g00s, I actually have a background service for the app already so I was just going to have the countdown in the service and then have it send an intent every tick when the activity is bound
Jun 26 15:19:23 <g00s> d0de i wouldn't send an intent every tick
Jun 26 15:19:30 <g00s> too much garbage :)
Jun 26 15:19:45 <d0de> g00s how would you do it then?
Jun 26 15:20:03 <g00s> d0de i just joined, and didn't see all of your question / what you are trying to do
Jun 26 15:20:08 <Foxandxss> g00s: missed that (lv2) is there any video or images?
Jun 26 15:20:27 <g00s> Foxandxss its @ 3:38 in what new in android i think
Jun 26 15:20:34 <g00s> (the video) from yesterday
Jun 26 15:20:35 <Foxandxss> ah, cool
Jun 26 15:20:36 <g00s> RecyclerView
Jun 26 15:20:40 <Foxandxss> I found the video later
Jun 26 15:21:09 <Foxandxss> it is not up yet, rigbht?
Jun 26 15:21:19 <g00s> new support lib? no
Jun 26 15:21:22 <Foxandxss> video video
Jun 26 15:21:31 <d0de> g00s, I have a background service playing audio. It has various timers (e.g. "fade out over 30 seconds" ) where the user enters a time and it does something over that time. I want the activity to display how long until the current timer runs out
Jun 26 15:21:35 <g00s> check beck after the tools session in a few minutes Foxandxss :)
Jun 26 15:21:48 <Foxandxss> I want to see the tools video
Jun 26 15:21:50 <Foxandxss> I love tools
Jun 26 15:21:59 <Leeds> you are a... no, too easy :)
Jun 26 15:22:02 <d0de> I keep track of how many seconds are left until 0 in the service, I just need a way to communicate that to the activity whenever its bound
Jun 26 15:22:05 <g00s> Leeds :|
Jun 26 15:22:39 <g00s> d0de hmm. well, i guess you could have the service call back to the UI every second, just make it efficient
Jun 26 15:22:48 <g00s> like call a method, don't create an intent
Jun 26 15:23:16 <yaw> has implementing a tranparent overlay for actionbar changed in Android 4.4.x? this https://developer.android.com/training/basics/actionbar/overlaying.html doesn’t work
Jun 26 15:23:35 <d0de> I don't actually know how to get a bound service to call a method in the activity it's bound to, that why I created the intent interface in the first place :P
Jun 26 15:23:53 <Foxandxss> damn material stuff with polymer is crazy awesome
Jun 26 15:24:07 <d0de> broadcastReceiver I mean
Jun 26 15:24:16 <g00s> d0de its easy. once the (local) service is bound, just say myService.setListener(this)
Jun 26 15:24:27 <g00s> and in onStop, clear that out
Jun 26 15:25:22 <g00s> d0de i have a similar scenario: i have a connection timer in my UI
Jun 26 15:25:29 <g00s> but the service only hold the time of the event
Jun 26 15:25:45 <g00s> the UI uses Chronometer based off that event time
Jun 26 15:26:24 <d0de> g00s, are there any docs you can link to re: setting up that listener?
Jun 26 15:26:36 <g00s> stand back and think of it this way: the service is business logic; is broadcasting this event (a countdown) really business-esque of UI function ?
Jun 26 15:26:50 <g00s> *or UI function
Jun 26 15:27:06 <therue> yo g00s
Jun 26 15:27:24 <g00s> d0de no i dont think so, just define a listener interface in the Service, like 'public interface Listener { void onTick() ; }
Jun 26 15:27:29 <g00s> hello therue
Jun 26 15:27:46 <d0de> I would make my life an awful lot simpler if I could implement this listener you're talking about, if it means I can call methods in the activity from the service
Jun 26 15:28:01 <g00s> yeah, its very typical. devs do this a lot
Jun 26 15:28:17 <g00s> gotta eat some before 1st session
Jun 26 15:28:46 <liquidmetal> I'm using eclipse to make an android project... how do I build it from command line?
Jun 26 15:28:52 <liquidmetal> (not through the build button in eclipse)
Jun 26 15:28:57 <therue> finally decided to go with java/android. i'm learning java now and doing exercises in IntelliJ.  :)
Jun 26 15:29:08 <capella> g00s: @ I/O ?
Jun 26 15:30:57 <Foxandxss> no necessary
Jun 26 15:31:08 <Foxandxss> I want to eat something before and I am at home :P
Jun 26 15:33:34 <mattblang_> any good third party libraries for doing an expandable / collapsable view?
Jun 26 15:34:00 <Alfreda> how to do for put a little  image like < in upper-left for return to Mainactivity from another layout?
Jun 26 15:34:10 <pfn> setHomeAsUpEnabled
Jun 26 15:35:30 <d0de> g00s, how to I setup the callback in my service?
Jun 26 15:36:30 <g00s> d0de in your service, make an interface Listener { void onTick() {} ; } … and then define 2 methods setListener(Listener) and clearListener(Listener)
Jun 26 15:37:00 <g00s> in ServiceConnection onServiceConnected set the listener to the activity, and onStop clear it
Jun 26 15:37:20 <g00s> just like any other listener interface. localservice is just a regular class
Jun 26 15:38:38 <d0de> g00s, will try, thanks. It's just a little different than other interfaces I've set up, e.g. between a fragment and the parent activity
Jun 26 15:43:37 <Alfreda> pfn: i have insert getActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true); in onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState)
Jun 26 15:43:55 <Alfreda> i view the back button but when i click on not return to homepage
Jun 26 15:44:19 <Afzal> is it out yet?
Jun 26 15:44:42 <Alfreda> Afzal: what?
Jun 26 15:44:45 <Afzal> Alfreda, that is the exact problem I'm having with one of my apps
Jun 26 15:44:56 <Afzal> And I was just asking about L dev preview lol
Jun 26 15:45:05 <Alfreda> :D
Jun 26 15:45:15 <Alfreda> dont work this funcition :|
Jun 26 15:45:16 <Alfreda> why?
Jun 26 15:45:20 <Foxandxss> Afzal: not yet
Jun 26 15:46:14 <Afzal> Alfreda, try setting the parent activity name in the Manifest. That just solved it for me right now :)
Jun 26 15:46:27 <misterli> Hello. I've a question. I know, its not possible it all to make a service keep alive forever aslong as its not a foreground-service. How about widgets? Is it possible to keep it alive without an notificationbuilder? Or how about rooted/systemapps? How do they get the service run forever?
Jun 26 15:47:11 <KAsp3rd> daemons...
Jun 26 15:47:48 <d0de> g00s, sorry, I feel really dumb but I still don't totally follow you. What parameter does the Activity use when it calls setListener in the service? and what should the method setListener actually do?
Jun 26 15:50:45 <Afzal> misterli, depending on what the service does. You can even get away with not having to run it in the background all the time. See if there's a Broadcast Intent from the system that might be relevant enough to start what you want to do
Jun 26 15:51:29 <misterli> No, this was not my question. :-) I'm not a beginner in Android-Developing. I know that there are several ways making sure that the service is still running, but it's not secure doing this with RETURN_STICKY and/or AlarmManager etc.
Jun 26 15:51:49 <misterli> If the GBC want to kill it it, it will kill it. It's because of a Long-Polling-Connection which should be persistent all the time
Jun 26 15:52:06 <misterli> And i know that systemapps like google play have a service which is ALWAYS running.
Jun 26 15:52:46 <g00s> d0de you make the activity implement this, and you pass it to the service.setListener
Jun 26 15:53:11 <misterli> hey g00s, How'r u?
Jun 26 15:53:19 <Afzal> misterli, well since you aren't a beginner, can I ask what this long polling connection does? :)
Jun 26 15:53:25 <jonc> with ORMLite do I have to call dao.create(obj) on the same thread that the dao was created from?
Jun 26 15:53:29 <g00s> hey misterli seems like they fixed that service bug right ?
Jun 26 15:53:34 <g00s> at least in 4.4.3
Jun 26 15:53:41 <misterli> Yep, they did
Jun 26 15:53:45 <g00s> \o/
Jun 26 15:53:49 <g00s> that was fucked up
Jun 26 15:53:52 <p_l> misterli: apps in /system have extra permission... :D
Jun 26 15:53:56 <misterli> Well, Cyanogenmod implemented it in their current rom aswell. Even in 4.4.*
Jun 26 15:53:59 <d0de> g00s, and what should setListener actually do? Sorry for all the questions, I really want to understand :S
Jun 26 15:54:30 <misterli> p_l, i know. This is why im asking that :/ and yes Afzal. It should keep the connection persistent. All the time. I know LP will ping out and reconnect, but this was just an example case
Jun 26 15:54:31 <g00s> d0de your listener.onTick updates the UI !
Jun 26 15:54:32 <Afzal> o.O what bug with services? I just got into this Service stuff :/
Jun 26 15:54:53 <misterli> Afzal, check my SO
Jun 26 15:54:53 <misterli> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22553582/android-kitkat-how-to-fix-return-sticky-bug-in-service
Jun 26 15:55:06 <misterli> oh, sorry
Jun 26 15:55:07 <misterli> I mean http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20636330/start-sticky-does-not-work-on-android-kitkat-edit-and-jelly-bean
Jun 26 15:55:36 <jonc> Or does ormlite handle threading issues by posting to a handler?
Jun 26 15:55:58 <Afzal> o.O dang lol, I think I will come across this bug pretty soon as I write my first non-intent Serivce
Jun 26 15:56:00 <Afzal> Service*
Jun 26 15:56:11 <misterli> g00s, there is a very good workaround by registering a batteryreceiver and alarmmanager and override onTaskRemoved()
Jun 26 15:56:20 <g00s> yuck
Jun 26 15:56:34 <g00s> well glad its fixed, too bad for the suckers on 4.4.2
Jun 26 15:56:46 <misterli> Well, there will be alot changes with Android L(codename not relesed)
Jun 26 15:57:01 <misterli> When dalvik will be removed completly..
Jun 26 15:57:05 <g00s> yeah people will have those in their hand earliest xmas
Jun 26 15:57:53 <misterli> g00s, did you see the test (Android 4.3/4.4 DALVIK vs 4.4 ART)?
Jun 26 15:57:55 <Afzal> Day 2 Room 8 :D woohoo
Jun 26 15:58:12 <g00s> misterli yeah … 2x isn't really that great. they need like 7x
Jun 26 15:58:22 <g00s> c++ is still like 20x faster
Jun 26 15:58:23 <misterli> 2x? haha
Jun 26 15:58:34 <misterli> Battery usage 4.3 12%, 4.4 11% 4.4 ART 10%
Jun 26 15:58:45 <jonc> I'm getting an exception when trying to use dao.create(obj). The database seems to be created, just can't add anything to it:  exception  http://pastebin.com/MH5uszSG   http://pastebin.com/vUL3dDLQ   object trying to be added
Jun 26 15:58:46 <misterli> Ramusage 4.3 433mb~ 4.4 420mb~ 4.4 ART 388MB~
Jun 26 15:59:08 <Afzal> Get ready for Android Studio 1.0 beta :p and Hopefully the SDK release in a few min? :D
Jun 26 15:59:29 <Afzal> I just hope I can write the system img and not have to clear my data for this dev preview
Jun 26 15:59:32 <misterli> ram-usage with SOFTWARE (spotify).     Android 4.3  2,5GB, Android 4.4 2,5GB and now 4.4 ART GODDAMN 2,9 GB!
Jun 26 15:59:37 <bitkiller> what?
Jun 26 15:59:53 <Syzygy> weren't ANT applications supposed to be slightly larger? why does it use less ram?
Jun 26 16:00:13 <Foxandxss> g00s: https://www.google.com/events/io#5WI_lCmBKE8
Jun 26 16:00:14 <Foxandxss> :)
Jun 26 16:00:19 <Afzal> misterli, shouldn't it use less RAM?
Jun 26 16:00:22 <Syzygy> ah
Jun 26 16:00:30 <misterli> haha, i thought that, yes. But now it takes about 10% more RAM
Jun 26 16:00:31 <misterli> Whys that?
Jun 26 16:00:42 <misterli> I thought it's compiled to native code while installation already
Jun 26 16:00:45 <misterli> compiled, optimized,...
Jun 26 16:01:07 <g00s> art is also some jit
Jun 26 16:01:09 <g00s> some
Jun 26 16:01:10 <Afzal> yeah, it's supposed to take 10% more *storage* instead of RAM
Jun 26 16:01:25 <Afzal> oh well, not like we don't have enough of RAM and storage :p
Jun 26 16:01:27 <misterli> Yea, but that's not true. In all the tests it took about 10% more ram
Jun 26 16:01:49 <Afzal> I'm honestly still not sure what the actual motivation behind ART was
Jun 26 16:01:52 <misterli> well, afaik google released their first x64 device with 4GIG of memory, right?
Jun 26 16:01:55 <Foxandxss> stream live!
Jun 26 16:01:59 <gordon_> misterli: android is x64 bit now :D
Jun 26 16:01:59 <misterli> Afzal, speed
Jun 26 16:02:05 <Afzal> well, just a green screen
Jun 26 16:02:06 <misterli> gordon_, Android, but the CPU is not
Jun 26 16:02:11 <gordon_> yet
Jun 26 16:02:24 <Afzal> misterli, is it really that much of a performance improvement to warrant this?
Jun 26 16:02:31 <gordon_> session now starts ?
Jun 26 16:02:31 <Syzygy> will device emulation become viable with ART?
Jun 26 16:02:34 <misterli> Afzal, should be yea
Jun 26 16:02:36 <Afzal> yeeee, it's on!
Jun 26 16:02:37 <gordon_> the tools one
Jun 26 16:02:41 <gordon_> ok good
Jun 26 16:02:45 <misterli> Because now it's not compiled while runtime anymore. Native-Code is alwys quicker
Jun 26 16:02:56 <Afzal> hmm interesting. True true
Jun 26 16:02:58 <misterli> But how about all those apps who've dex-Loaders like Facebook, Whatsapp, Gmail, whatever?
Jun 26 16:03:12 <Afzal> they're gonna have to use something else
Jun 26 16:03:13 <misterli> dex can't be rode anymore, am i right? Since dex are those davil compiled crap shit
Jun 26 16:03:17 <Foxandxss> AS BETA!
Jun 26 16:03:18 <Foxandxss> yayayyaya
Jun 26 16:03:21 <Afzal> lol Android Studio Beta
Jun 26 16:03:22 <Afzal> :D
Jun 26 16:03:23 <Foxandxss> good news
Jun 26 16:03:35 <d0de> g00s, I'm sorry to bug you with this but I just don't get it. I don't suppose you  could take a minute and show me the skeleton of how it should look? http://hastebin.com/axodeliyev.java
Jun 26 16:05:09 <Alfreda> How recall a php script from my app? for example i have a test.php that connect to my DB and echo "Success" ...
Jun 26 16:05:14 <Afzal> lol hastebin
Jun 26 16:05:33 <gdrc> hey
Jun 26 16:05:47 <Afzal> lol I'm super happy with the current performance :D
Jun 26 16:06:02 <Afzal> I just want better error messages from gradle and such
Jun 26 16:06:02 <bitkiller> AS is not ready. it can't even format the XML correctly.
Jun 26 16:06:14 <Afzal> bitkiller, does for me
Jun 26 16:06:37 <gdrc> anyone use https://github.com/eluleci/FlatUI é
Jun 26 16:06:38 <gdrc> ?
Jun 26 16:07:39 <Afzal> IntelliJ has this bug which messes up the code while undo-ing redo-ing though, that was is really annoying
Jun 26 16:07:49 <Foxandxss> not for me
Jun 26 16:07:55 <Foxandxss> well, at least the flavours I use
Jun 26 16:07:55 <gordon_> not for me either
Jun 26 16:08:10 <gordon_> wish faster dexing
Jun 26 16:08:23 <bitkiller> what i found annoying is this: you set option 'format this way' and it does 'this way'. if i uncheck 'format this way', it keeps doing 'this way', because it doesn't know the 'not this way'
Jun 26 16:08:23 <gordon_> and easy language / plugin integration
Jun 26 16:08:29 <g00s> multiple apk splits; interesting
Jun 26 16:08:37 <gordon_> g00s: ++
Jun 26 16:08:45 * g00s glad he's using gradle ;)
Jun 26 16:08:51 <g00s> good stuff
Jun 26 16:08:55 <gordon_> of course
Jun 26 16:09:00 <gordon_> ant should die long time ago
Jun 26 16:09:07 <edo1493> Hi guys, is there anyone who knows how to use MapFragment properly? : )
Jun 26 16:09:19 <gordon_> you mean google map ?
Jun 26 16:09:23 <edo1493> yep
Jun 26 16:09:29 <Psil0Cybin> Hey how is everyone?
Jun 26 16:09:30 <gordon_> yeah I'm using that
Jun 26 16:09:33 <kbs> gdrc: huh, interesting library :) do you use it?
Jun 26 16:09:52 <gdrc> i would like but it doesnt work
Jun 26 16:09:53 <edo1493> trying to figure out how to pass the options set in MapFragment to the GoogleMap
Jun 26 16:10:03 <Foxandxss> I have a hard time understanding Xavier :P
Jun 26 16:10:20 <gordon_> wasnt scopes working with gradle and android ? ;O
Jun 26 16:10:28 <gordon_> *werent
Jun 26 16:10:31 <Afzal> did he say new manifest module?
Jun 26 16:10:44 <Afzal> oh NICE!
Jun 26 16:10:44 <gordon_> yep
Jun 26 16:11:02 <Foxandxss> Afzal: what's that?
Jun 26 16:11:21 <Afzal> Foxandxss, flavour-specific permissions apparently
Jun 26 16:11:26 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 16:11:42 <Afzal> more control over the manifest merger
Jun 26 16:12:21 <Afzal> I don't know why we still have to write the Manifest at all. So easy to just use build.gradle and let it do ALL the work
Jun 26 16:12:31 <Foxandxss> I second that
Jun 26 16:12:35 <d0de_> disconnected, did I miss anything?
Jun 26 16:12:51 <Psil0Cybin> d0de_ the typical nonsense.
Jun 26 16:13:06 <Psil0Cybin> libs not ribs..
Jun 26 16:13:32 <DarkChaoz> hi
Jun 26 16:14:17 <Foxandxss> Xavier is using a regular clock!
Jun 26 16:14:18 <Foxandxss> heh
Jun 26 16:14:35 <d0de_> bugger it, I'm just going to use intents
Jun 26 16:14:40 <gordon_> oh yeah
Jun 26 16:14:43 <gordon_> naming apk <3
Jun 26 16:15:04 <Afzal> :D
Jun 26 16:15:16 <Afzal> this is the real stuff lol, love these improvements
Jun 26 16:16:59 <DarkChaoz> how do i use cursorloader, i have this Cursor lol =  myDbHelper.getData(1);
Jun 26 16:17:24 <DarkChaoz> getData is a public cursor function which returns db.query
Jun 26 16:17:46 <DarkChaoz> but not sure how to use cursorloader to get the resultset of the query
Jun 26 16:18:05 <Foxandxss> DarkChaoz: is google i/o we don't answer stuff for the next 30 minutes :P
Jun 26 16:18:43 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 26 16:18:46 <Afzal> DarkChaoz, example of using cursor loader. https://github.com/AfzalivE/MI-Chat/blob/master/android-app/src/main/java/com/afzaln/mi_chat/activity/MessagesActivity.java
Jun 26 16:18:57 <DarkChaoz> thats why its called a dev channel xD
Jun 26 16:19:12 <Afzal> But this is easier to follow http://developer.android.com/guide/components/loaders.html
Jun 26 16:19:36 <DarkChaoz> ok I'll try to see how its used
Jun 26 16:19:37 <DarkChaoz> thanks
Jun 26 16:19:52 <pfn> loaders... what a terrible api...
Jun 26 16:20:08 <Afzal> With CursorLoader, you only need to manage the cursor in the implemented methods, nothing outside it
Jun 26 16:20:14 <gdrc> new sdk tool is avaible for download
Jun 26 16:20:32 <Afzal> pfn, I highly disagree with that one :)
Jun 26 16:20:35 <gordon_> tools looks exciting
Jun 26 16:20:43 <Foxandxss> Afzal: cheers, it is hard to see good projects open source on android
Jun 26 16:21:01 <Afzal> Foxandxss, lol, flattered.
Jun 26 16:21:10 <jvrodrigues> can anyone point me to a BoshConnection example?
Jun 26 16:21:19 <Foxandxss> I have to see the course first! but meh, I suck at android :P
Jun 26 16:21:32 <Afzal> ohh thank the lorrrd. No more broken build.gradle files!
Jun 26 16:21:46 <Foxandxss> I see the tools and platform tools update
Jun 26 16:21:48 <Foxandxss> what are those exactlyt?
Jun 26 16:21:53 <Afzal> Downloading lol
Jun 26 16:21:58 <gordon_> haha
Jun 26 16:22:10 <Foxandxss> uh, AS 0.8.2
Jun 26 16:22:10 <DarkChaoz> so whats the messagetable.content_uri,
Jun 26 16:22:12 <Foxandxss> that is a big jump
Jun 26 16:22:17 <Afzal> oh come on, are we still at this importing from Eclipse thing
Jun 26 16:22:20 <DarkChaoz> i assumethe messagetable is the class
Jun 26 16:22:24 <Afzal> oh dang, 0.6.2 to 0.8.2
Jun 26 16:22:24 <gordon_> he's showing libraries in eclipse
Jun 26 16:22:27 <Afzal> can't wait!
Jun 26 16:22:28 <gordon_> I want to spew..
Jun 26 16:23:00 <Afzal> gordon_, it's so easy to just do it by writing a build.gradle file and import the project :/
Jun 26 16:23:18 * kbs agrees with pfn vis-a-vis loaders - simpler ways to solve the problem
Jun 26 16:23:40 <Foxandxss> ah, API L
Jun 26 16:23:43 <Foxandxss> downloading
Jun 26 16:23:50 <Afzal> API L? WOO!
Jun 26 16:23:52 <Foxandxss> yeah
Jun 26 16:23:54 <Foxandxss> and APIW
Jun 26 16:23:55 <Foxandxss> for wear
Jun 26 16:24:03 <gordon_> Afzal: can I have old android projects with native ndk in gradle ?
Jun 26 16:24:04 <Foxandxss> I mean, API 20 for L and wear
Jun 26 16:24:12 <Afzal> where?
Jun 26 16:24:17 <Foxandxss> sdk manager
Jun 26 16:24:17 <g00s> oh nice, android view :)
Jun 26 16:24:20 <Foxandxss> when you update it, reboot it
Jun 26 16:24:24 <Afzal> gordon_, still have yet to play with ndk
Jun 26 16:24:26 <Foxandxss> g00s: missed that!
Jun 26 16:24:30 <Foxandxss> I am seeing the tools :P
Jun 26 16:24:36 <Afzal> wait, what did he just show?
Jun 26 16:24:51 <Syzygy> wasn't android wear avaible for a while now? i remember implementing a small prototype months ago
Jun 26 16:24:52 <gordon_> OH YEAH
Jun 26 16:25:08 <Syzygy> on emulator
Jun 26 16:25:09 <kbs> hm, how come I don't see api 20 in the sdk manager
Jun 26 16:25:10 <Afzal> categorized resource files!! YESSS!
Jun 26 16:25:11 <DarkChaoz> afzal, where is that MessagesTable located
Jun 26 16:25:27 <Foxandxss> installing L and W sdk
Jun 26 16:25:46 <Foxandxss> you can't see a video when you're updating your stuff :P
Jun 26 16:25:55 <Afzal> DarkChaoz, provider > ProviderContract
Jun 26 16:25:58 <Foxandxss> damn, that screen is cool
Jun 26 16:26:04 <Foxandxss> I want a wear now
Jun 26 16:26:05 <quovadis> Hi, what is more efficient way to display a video on an (GL)SurfaceView, when the video steam comes from a native decoder ?
Jun 26 16:26:23 <Foxandxss> nice preview
Jun 26 16:27:08 <quovadis> I'm looking on using TEXTURE_EXTERNAL_OES side but it seem quite cumbersome
Jun 26 16:27:15 <Afzal> Installing :D :D YESS
Jun 26 16:27:21 <Afzal> Christmas is here!! :D
Jun 26 16:27:36 <g00s> so is 0.6.1 what they are calling a beta, or is there a new version coming ?
Jun 26 16:27:52 <Alfreda> how connect PHP (server) and Android (client) Using HTTP and JSON ?
Jun 26 16:28:06 <Foxandxss> g00s: I see 0.8.2 on the top
Jun 26 16:28:09 <Psil0Cybin> Alfreda I also want to know this.
Jun 26 16:28:11 <Psil0Cybin> How to do this.
Jun 26 16:28:16 <DarkChaoz> ahh i see, so messagetables is the uri for content_uri for the cursorloader
Jun 26 16:28:23 <DarkChaoz> i definitely dont have that lol
Jun 26 16:28:26 <Alfreda> Psil0Cybin: i have find this: http://fahmirahman.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/connection-between-php-server-and-android-client-using-http-and-json/
Jun 26 16:28:35 <Psil0Cybin> perfect!! thank you
Jun 26 16:28:40 <Psil0Cybin> i will also keep looking so i can help you as well
Jun 26 16:28:43 <Alfreda> but i dont undstand for example for a query how to pass a variable?
Jun 26 16:28:49 <Alfreda> ok
Jun 26 16:28:51 <Alfreda> thanks
Jun 26 16:28:54 <Afzal> DarkChaoz, yeah, this is using ContentProvider stuff so it's kinda of weird there if you don't wanna implement that
Jun 26 16:28:59 <Afzal> but it's just a uri
Jun 26 16:29:27 <Psil0Cybin> Alfreda: can this allow you to login and make user applications that involve logins like facebook/twitter/snapchat
Jun 26 16:29:28 <Psil0Cybin> type thing
Jun 26 16:29:36 <Psil0Cybin> the mysql database and the application is exactly what i wanted!!
Jun 26 16:29:49 <Foxandxss> I am getting more excited with this talk than keynote P
Jun 26 16:29:56 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 16:30:00 <Foxandxss> api 21?
Jun 26 16:30:01 <Foxandxss> wtf
Jun 26 16:30:03 <gordon_> api 21 <3
Jun 26 16:30:06 <Afzal> See this is what I don't understand
Jun 26 16:30:09 <Psil0Cybin> Lol
Jun 26 16:30:21 <Foxandxss> we are getting api 20 now, what's 21? :P
Jun 26 16:30:22 <Psil0Cybin> bah i am sitting @ a coffee shop, wish i broght my head phones
Jun 26 16:30:26 <Afzal> they keep saying API 21. API 21 in values-v21, API 21 in styles but we're downloading API 20
Jun 26 16:30:30 <gordon_> getting batter
Jun 26 16:30:32 <gordon_> *better
Jun 26 16:30:33 <Afzal> I guess API 21 is the final L release?
Jun 26 16:30:37 <Foxandxss> maybe
Jun 26 16:30:40 <d0de_> g00s, from the activity I should be calling myService.setListener(this) right? the part I don't understand is how setListener takes a listener as it's input, but how do I feed it the listener when I'm calling it from the activity, not the service?
Jun 26 16:30:42 <Napalm> 20 must be preview and 21 final
Jun 26 16:30:44 <DarkChaoz> so how would i use uri for my cursorloader..
Jun 26 16:30:45 <gordon_> ooo
Jun 26 16:30:45 <Afzal> OH NICE!
Jun 26 16:30:48 <gordon_> that was nice
Jun 26 16:30:50 <Napalm> niceee
Jun 26 16:30:51 <Afzal> Material design <3
Jun 26 16:30:51 <g00s> d0de_ sorry, watching I/O
Jun 26 16:30:55 <Leeds> for the record, it's June 27th here...
Jun 26 16:31:00 <Afzal> oh shots fired at GB
Jun 26 16:31:21 <Psil0Cybin> GB?
Jun 26 16:31:24 <Psil0Cybin> top shoottah
Jun 26 16:31:26 <Afzal> gingerbread
Jun 26 16:31:40 <Afzal> but it doesn't colour statusbar :/
Jun 26 16:31:49 <Foxandxss> but you can!
Jun 26 16:31:49 <Afzal> and yes! finally widget colouring without custom styles :D
Jun 26 16:31:54 <sqrrl> a total newb question. i have a ViewPager that has an input field in it, when i swipe to the sides the keyboard minimizes. that takes time (keyboard minimizing), i want the keyboard to be swiped away with the contents of the view. is it possible?
Jun 26 16:31:58 <Afzal> Foxandxss, I mean in the preview
Jun 26 16:32:06 <Foxandxss> ah, maybe is another key for that?
Jun 26 16:32:16 <Afzal> maybe
Jun 26 16:32:36 <Afzal> I still see the ICS statusbar in that preview window though, maybe I'll file a bug ;)
Jun 26 16:32:44 <Foxandxss> true
Jun 26 16:32:56 <g00s> oh thats awesome (theme attr lookup)
Jun 26 16:32:57 <Afzal> oh that tooltip!
Jun 26 16:33:05 <gordon_> dammit AS getting nice
Jun 26 16:33:34 <gdrc> assignText ?
Jun 26 16:33:43 <Afzal> nooo
Jun 26 16:33:49 <Afzal> ah nvm, stream stopped
Jun 26 16:34:04 <gdrc> oh sure.
Jun 26 16:34:07 <kbs> I wish I had a "fix bugs" button :-)
Jun 26 16:34:07 <Syzygy> what stream?
Jun 26 16:34:16 <Afzal> this https://www.google.com/events/io#5WI_lCmBKE8
Jun 26 16:34:28 <Foxandxss> uh, I like those annotations
Jun 26 16:34:52 <Napalm> now switching to AS
Jun 26 16:34:58 <Napalm> this is finally where it should be
Jun 26 16:34:59 <Syzygy> oh, i was watching yesterdays keynote and thought it was mostly over, didn't really pay attention
Jun 26 16:35:06 <Foxandxss> beta should be available any minute I guess
Jun 26 16:35:10 <Syzygy> to this convention
Jun 26 16:36:09 <Afzal> lol Alt Enter EVERYWHERE :D (or Cmd+1 in my case)
Jun 26 16:36:26 <DarkChaoz> afzal, based on my code, http://pastebin.com/qwJrmY7w , what should i do use uri fo
Jun 26 16:36:29 <Foxandxss> ah ah ah ah ah
Jun 26 16:36:30 <Foxandxss> ahahah
Jun 26 16:36:34 <Foxandxss> images up
Jun 26 16:36:38 <DarkChaoz> dont tell me the answer, just explain what i need to do.
Jun 26 16:36:43 <Foxandxss> technmically :P
Jun 26 16:37:08 <g00s> wow that guy can run 2 emus at the same time
Jun 26 16:37:15 <g00s> what kind of machine does he have :)
Jun 26 16:37:16 <Foxandxss> heh
Jun 26 16:37:20 <Afzal> that emulator seems FAST
Jun 26 16:37:29 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 16:37:37 <Foxandxss> Afzal: I don't trust what I See
Jun 26 16:37:41 <Afzal> aha
Jun 26 16:38:01 <gordon_> Afzal: seems super fast :O
Jun 26 16:38:18 <gdrc> 4.4W ?
Jun 26 16:38:25 <Foxandxss> wear I guess
Jun 26 16:38:26 <Syzygy> ART emulator should run faster
Jun 26 16:38:34 <Afzal> gordon_, I'm gonna go ahead and assume snapshots support with HW accel is still not possible :(
Jun 26 16:38:37 <Syzygy> than current ones
Jun 26 16:38:37 <Napalm> already orded my android wear watch
Jun 26 16:38:41 <Napalm> got the samsung one
Jun 26 16:38:46 * kbs continues to like most of the new design stuff.
Jun 26 16:38:55 <Foxandxss> samsung ones just work on samsung? (I read that)
Jun 26 16:39:02 <g00s> thats a lame 'whats next'
Jun 26 16:39:08 <Foxandxss> g00s: +20
Jun 26 16:39:14 <Afzal> lol, vague
Jun 26 16:39:19 <g00s> like when your update says 'misc software stability and performance enhancements"
Jun 26 16:39:34 * Afzal joins kbs in liking this new design stuff (�)
Jun 26 16:39:43 <gordon_> Afzal: dont know
Jun 26 16:39:49 <Foxandxss> well, the beta was supposed to be up, right?
Jun 26 16:40:01 <Syzygy> how backwards compatible will L be?
Jun 26 16:40:49 <quovadis> Hi, what is more efficient way to display a video on an (GL)SurfaceView, when the video steam comes from a native decoder ?
Jun 26 16:41:01 <Syzygy> so, once we start to dev with L as the target, can I still run those on lower versions? especially because of the material system
Jun 26 16:41:57 <DarkChaoz> afzal, based on my code, http://pastebin.com/qwJrmY7w , what should i do use uri for, just tell me what to do (dont tell me what to use, I'll try figure it out)
Jun 26 16:42:15 <Afzal> yeah one sec
Jun 26 16:42:27 <Foxandxss> Syzygy: yeah, others will get holo
Jun 26 16:42:49 <ClarkC> Foxandxss: The new Samsung watch is an Android Wear watch, so it will work with all phones.
Jun 26 16:43:14 <Foxandxss> ClarkC: I read it wrong then
Jun 26 16:43:24 <Foxandxss> I have samsung but I plan to change it... when I have money :P
Jun 26 16:43:38 <p_l> Syzygy: looks like very
Jun 26 16:43:49 <ClarkC> I believe all their older watches are Samsung only?
Jun 26 16:43:59 <p_l> the older ones might be, unless they get updates
Jun 26 16:44:33 <canadiancow> Syzygy, you'll still be able to run on older versions
Jun 26 16:44:36 <canadiancow> it's the same as always
Jun 26 16:44:52 <canadiancow> if you call NewApi.newApi() as the first line of your main activity's onCreate(), it will crash on old versions
Jun 26 16:44:59 <canadiancow> if you do things properly, it will work great
Jun 26 16:45:07 <Leeds> my god, canadiancow is alive
Jun 26 16:45:20 <canadiancow> yeah i know i've been absent lately
Jun 26 16:45:21 <Syzygy> so via the support library for new Material elements
Jun 26 16:45:35 <canadiancow> well you're not going to have full material support on K
Jun 26 16:45:53 <Afzal> DarkChaoz, actually I'm not so sure, sorry
Jun 26 16:45:54 <Foxandxss> the video just created a new values-21 for material
Jun 26 16:46:09 <DarkChaoz> aight, np.
Jun 26 16:46:19 <ClarkC> The Google I/O app and the new Slides app seems to use some drawables similar to Material/Paper.  I still haven't seen any confirmation they will provide a theme to include it on older versions though.  Since they are moving their current apps over, I hope they do provide something, instead of a third party colution like HoloEverywhere.
Jun 26 16:46:27 <DarkChaoz> I'll try google it for a similar thing to mine :)
Jun 26 16:46:32 <Foxandxss> n5 L emulator running, I am swapping though lol
Jun 26 16:46:57 <p_l> where's the n5 emulator?
Jun 26 16:47:03 <Foxandxss> avd
Jun 26 16:47:07 <p_l> (with "l" image)
Jun 26 16:47:29 <canadiancow> i dont think it's available yet
Jun 26 16:47:34 <Foxandxss> it is
Jun 26 16:47:41 <Foxandxss> why would I lie?
Jun 26 16:47:48 <canadiancow> oh im wrong
Jun 26 16:47:53 <KAsp3rd> the emulator is available
Jun 26 16:47:55 <canadiancow> you need to update the sdk tools
Jun 26 16:47:57 <KAsp3rd> not the device images
Jun 26 16:47:59 <canadiancow> then you relaunch, and download L
Jun 26 16:48:06 <Foxandxss> L and wereables
Jun 26 16:48:12 <kbs> aah - needs the new sdk tools too. thanks
Jun 26 16:48:14 <Foxandxss> but my machine is dying
Jun 26 16:48:32 <Foxandxss> 252m of swap and growing up
Jun 26 16:48:45 <canadiancow> i gave up on using the emulator years ago :P
Jun 26 16:49:19 <Syzygy> weird, i thought I already downloaded the L preview...
Jun 26 16:49:28 <Syzygy> guess I'll have to do it again
Jun 26 16:49:34 <Foxandxss> I want a genymotion emulator
Jun 26 16:49:41 <p_l> oh, managed to get it
Jun 26 16:49:46 <Foxandxss> my Gnex won't get L in a long time
Jun 26 16:49:47 <p_l> ... what is 4.4W o_O
Jun 26 16:49:53 <Foxandxss> wearable?
Jun 26 16:49:56 <Foxandxss> maybe
Jun 26 16:50:01 <Leeds> p_l: yeah, I was just thinking that
Jun 26 16:50:02 <p_l> ahh, wear
Jun 26 16:50:06 <Foxandxss> I clicked on the drawer and it got stuck
Jun 26 16:50:25 <Syzygy> 4.4.2 had a wearable system image
Jun 26 16:50:29 <Syzygy> I deved for that before
Jun 26 16:50:32 <canadiancow> yes, 4.4W is wear
Jun 26 16:50:56 <p_l> both are api20
Jun 26 16:51:08 <canadiancow> the api level isn't bumped up until much closer to release
Jun 26 16:51:14 <canadiancow> L will not be 20
Jun 26 16:51:36 <gordon_> and it ended
Jun 26 16:51:58 <p_l> canadiancow: I suspect we will get api21 as the final
Jun 26 16:52:04 <Foxandxss> http://puu.sh/9L8hA/e00af97bec.png
Jun 26 16:52:08 <gordon_> Foxandxss: you never know ;)
Jun 26 16:52:12 <gordon_> have some love for gnex
Jun 26 16:52:19 <canadiancow> p_l, it depends on whether anything else is done before then
Jun 26 16:52:20 <Foxandxss> gordon_: it should run L without problem
Jun 26 16:52:29 <Foxandxss> PA works like charm on it
Jun 26 16:52:51 <Foxandxss> Ok, I think I am done, I need more ram on my mini
Jun 26 16:53:01 <p_l> Foxandxss: yeah, but first it needs to be ported :P
Jun 26 16:53:04 <Afzal> canadiancow, there's a solid solid chance that L is 21
Jun 26 16:53:10 <canadiancow> sure
Jun 26 16:53:13 <Foxandxss> p_l: yup, that is why I said "not anytime soon" :P
Jun 26 16:53:19 <canadiancow> but if you remember back in the days of eclair, there was an api bump for 2.0.1
Jun 26 16:53:35 <Foxandxss> p_l: gordon_ otoh, I have a N7 2013 so I am happy anyway
Jun 26 16:53:40 <g00s> i'm guessing its going to be a long time before L devices come out, minimum EOY. all the customizations OEMs do , with all these new changes, its going to be a headache for them :)
Jun 26 16:53:51 <canadiancow> my point is, dont release an app that assumes L will be 21, before it's confirmed
Jun 26 16:54:01 <Foxandxss> g00s: yah, technically L is meant to be released at EOY
Jun 26 16:54:03 <canadiancow> because if it ends up not being, your app will crash all over the place
Jun 26 16:54:08 <g00s> hey canadiancow was coping you would do content provider session :)
Jun 26 16:54:17 <Foxandxss> I would love to have a project's ara phone
Jun 26 16:54:56 <Afzal> downloaded! :D oh boy oh boy oh boy
Jun 26 16:55:18 <g00s> so is there a new version of AS? i still only see 0.6.1
Jun 26 16:55:30 <Foxandxss> g00s: _today_
Jun 26 16:55:53 <Foxandxss> so, SDK tools / platform-tools and build-tools
Jun 26 16:55:59 <Foxandxss> tools is the SDK manager and avd manager?
Jun 26 16:56:05 <Foxandxss> platform-tools maybe adb and stuff like that?
Jun 26 16:56:09 <Foxandxss> and build is programming related
Jun 26 16:56:15 <misterli> what will be changed in the new SDK?
Jun 26 16:56:24 <p_l> canadiancow: well, assuming any numbers is IMO wrong :P
Jun 26 16:56:34 <Foxandxss> http://puu.sh/9L8CQ/0e4d508c9f.png
Jun 26 16:56:36 <Foxandxss> cool starting animation
Jun 26 16:56:41 <Afzal> Ah, API 20 is 4.4W
Jun 26 16:56:48 <Afzal> And L is API L :/
Jun 26 16:57:00 <Foxandxss> but it says API 20, L preview
Jun 26 16:57:04 <Foxandxss> API 21 is L final
Jun 26 16:57:06 <Foxandxss> that is my guess
Jun 26 16:57:07 <misterli> okay
Jun 26 16:57:34 <misterli> http://www.greenbot.com/article/2367626/heres-your-first-android-l-chanelog.html
Jun 26 16:57:37 <Afzal> But when you choose the emulator image. It says 4.4W (API Level 20), Android L Preview ( API Level L)
Jun 26 16:57:37 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 16:57:40 <Afzal> so confusing
Jun 26 16:57:49 <p_l> just never assume specific number, but you can use api number for checking presence of features... :)
Jun 26 16:58:34 <Afzal> eh, I dunno why I even care. We all use the constants anyway :)
Jun 26 16:58:46 <Foxandxss> Napalm: you're going to enjoy it
Jun 26 16:58:52 <Foxandxss> I just used the emulator and I love it
Jun 26 16:59:01 <p_l> http://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-calculator/demo.html heh
Jun 26 16:59:17 <Foxandxss> http://puu.sh/9L8Or/80377e3ef2.png
Jun 26 16:59:27 <p_l> also, android studio 0.8.x where
Jun 26 16:59:34 <Foxandxss> _today_
Jun 26 16:59:37 <Foxandxss> as today as the images
Jun 26 17:00:09 <p_l> still waiting :P
Jun 26 17:01:25 <g00s> oops. i deleted my sdk install since it said update, but they didn't put a new download up
Jun 26 17:01:39 <drindt> i use the recent update of the sdk and adt, but the emulator seems not to recognize the orientation change by pressing strg+f11, it goes in landscape mode, but the orientation change is never processed. any hints?
Jun 26 17:05:23 <Corey84> jsut fyi the new 17 xfce images are failing to complete d/lon us servers   umd and nexcess confirmed so far
Jun 26 17:05:30 <Afzal> nah, emulator is still slow as hell
Jun 26 17:05:35 <Afzal> Dunno what that guy was running
Jun 26 17:05:47 <Corey84> wrong channel sorry
Jun 26 17:06:11 <Foxandxss> Afzal: pff, I heard my mini crying
Jun 26 17:06:26 <Afzal> lol my Macbook Pro is okay but still slow
Jun 26 17:06:49 <ionstorm> I dont have access to the L preview sdk on arch linux, is the current release windows only?
Jun 26 17:06:57 <Afzal> search in settings :D
Jun 26 17:06:58 <Foxandxss> no
Jun 26 17:07:05 <d0de_> g00s, I got the interface working in the end, thanks for your help earlier :P
Jun 26 17:07:07 <g00s> ah, so edge / seam - actually has meaning
Jun 26 17:07:12 <ifmw> The L Preview is out? the developer.android.com website still hasn't been updated!
Jun 26 17:07:13 <Foxandxss> Afzal: I only have 4gb of ram
Jun 26 17:07:21 <Afzal> ifmw, only the SDK
Jun 26 17:07:45 <Foxandxss> ionstorm: update the tools first
Jun 26 17:07:52 <Afzal> Foxandxss, the arm emulator is using 1.24 GB for me right now :D
Jun 26 17:07:59 <Foxandxss> I had to swap a lot
Jun 26 17:08:02 <ionstorm> Foxandxss, thanks
Jun 26 17:10:04 <Afzal> this material design talk is good
Jun 26 17:11:18 <g00s> still not sure about this paper metaphor
Jun 26 17:11:51 <Foxandxss> Afzal: which one?
Jun 26 17:12:08 <Napalm> Foxandxss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WI_lCmBKE8
Jun 26 17:12:09 <Afzal> Foxandxss, https://www.google.com/events/io#5WI_lCmBKE8
Jun 26 17:12:12 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 17:12:15 <Foxandxss> thanks
Jun 26 17:12:32 <ionstorm> btw, are these L Preview images going to be available for dev's only, ie: Dev Console users
Jun 26 17:13:41 <p_l> ionstorm: they show normally in SDK Manager repo
Jun 26 17:13:52 <p_l> but you need updated SDK Manager first, then restart it
Jun 26 17:13:52 <Foxandxss> he meant for real devices
Jun 26 17:13:56 <p_l> ahh
Jun 26 17:13:58 <p_l> no idea
Jun 26 17:14:05 <ionstorm> Foxandxss, ;)
Jun 26 17:14:12 <p_l> doubt it
Jun 26 17:14:24 <p_l> and if they are, expect them to show up on xda tomorrow
Jun 26 17:14:24 <Foxandxss> if it is just for dev console users
Jun 26 17:14:29 <Foxandxss> thepiratebay will be our place
Jun 26 17:14:31 <Foxandxss> yeah
Jun 26 17:15:08 <p_l> that said, I don't think they are going to limit access to them
Jun 26 17:15:17 <Foxandxss> I don't think so either
Jun 26 17:15:25 <Foxandxss> they are not apple :P
Jun 26 17:15:37 <ionstorm> tpb lol, i'll help seed ;)
Jun 26 17:16:19 <ionstorm> google's servers are going to be unresponsive when these images show up
Jun 26 17:16:33 <ifmw> Really really really hope there will be good Material documentation
Jun 26 17:17:17 <Foxandxss> I suck at designing I am afraid :P
Jun 26 17:17:34 <p_l> also, looks like support library got updated.. :D
Jun 26 17:17:40 <ifmw> So do I, which is why I am hoping or good tutorials
Jun 26 17:17:46 <ifmw> p_l: v7 is out?
Jun 26 17:17:49 <Foxandxss> p_l: good news those
Jun 26 17:18:37 <p_l> "Android Support Library 19.1 v.20"
Jun 26 17:19:05 <p_l> *rev.20
Jun 26 17:19:11 <Foxandxss> it was 20 before
Jun 26 17:19:15 <Foxandxss> I didn't update it
Jun 26 17:19:35 <p_l> and android support repository rev.6
Jun 26 17:19:46 <p_l> haven't seen those updates till today, so...
Jun 26 17:19:50 <Foxandxss> I think that they weren't update
Jun 26 17:20:45 <g00s> ah, now they talk about cards
Jun 26 17:21:45 <g00s> p_l whats the latest sdk version , i still see 22.6.2
Jun 26 17:22:05 <Foxandxss> sdk tools g00s ?
Jun 26 17:22:23 <g00s> yeah
Jun 26 17:22:28 <Foxandxss> g00s: http://puu.sh/9Lax0/3e03b7e18d.png
Jun 26 17:22:56 <g00s> hm, only 22 from main dl page
Jun 26 17:23:02 <Psil0Cybin> hey guys someone mentioned here a while ago about getting libraries to connect to a mysql database and php server? does anyone still have this link
Jun 26 17:23:04 <g00s> oh well guess i'll wate for later
Jun 26 17:23:05 <Psil0Cybin> using a different computer :(
Jun 26 17:23:21 <Foxandxss> weird
Jun 26 17:23:36 <Foxandxss> g00s: download 22 and it should update to 23, that is my best guess
Jun 26 17:23:43 <p_l> g00s: v23
Jun 26 17:23:50 <g00s> i've had too many problems with sdk tools updating itself
Jun 26 17:23:57 <g00s> seem ok to update other things though
Jun 26 17:24:45 <p_l> Now I really, really hope they make a way to use chromecast to send presentations from Drive to chromecast and control it from Wear or phone...
Jun 26 17:25:08 <Foxandxss> p_l: I would bet on that :)
Jun 26 17:25:17 <p_l> the APIs for interacting with Chromebooks would be nice start to do so
Jun 26 17:25:23 <platzhirsch> With a fade in animation it seems to change from invisible to visible, can I also animate it from gone to visible?
Jun 26 17:26:09 <p_l> still, it's funny how I always ended up getting in guts of android and now I'm finally thinking of building an application :D
Jun 26 17:26:55 <Foxandxss> Afzal: the chat app is cool, I guess I can't try it, but I prefer to see the source than try it tbh :P
Jun 26 17:27:38 <GrecKo> gogogo
Jun 26 17:27:48 <Foxandxss> FAB is awesomestuff
Jun 26 17:28:15 <GrecKo> no images mor my nexus 4 :(
Jun 26 17:28:18 <GrecKo> for*
Jun 26 17:28:27 <Foxandxss> ah
Jun 26 17:28:30 <Foxandxss> images ready?
Jun 26 17:28:31 <ionstorm> images are live: https://developer.android.com/preview/setup-sdk.html#top
Jun 26 17:28:33 <Foxandxss> the page did change
Jun 26 17:28:39 <Napalm> w00t w00t
Jun 26 17:28:49 <Foxandxss> uhm
Jun 26 17:28:54 <Foxandxss> nexus7 razor
Jun 26 17:28:56 <Foxandxss> mine is flo I think
Jun 26 17:29:31 <Foxandxss> https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html
Jun 26 17:29:33 <Foxandxss> BETA UP!
Jun 26 17:29:35 <ionstorm> hope we can port this to N4
Jun 26 17:29:38 <Foxandxss> 0.8.0
Jun 26 17:29:43 <Foxandxss> so their version was better
Jun 26 17:29:56 <kbs> this "fab" button seems to me somewhat of a crap-shoot what it does ;-)
Jun 26 17:30:07 <Foxandxss> uhmm
Jun 26 17:30:12 <Foxandxss> seems like the preview doesn't get updated to beta
Jun 26 17:30:29 <Foxandxss> damn, a lot of stuff to see at the same time, I am gonna explode
Jun 26 17:30:34 <Foxandxss> cover yourselves
Jun 26 17:31:22 <Foxandxss> ionstorm: I think so
Jun 26 17:31:35 <markmarkmark> these presenters sound like they're reading something for the first time
Jun 26 17:32:31 <ionstorm> [defcon@ion-pc razor-lpv79]$ sh flash-all.sh yay
Jun 26 17:33:44 * p_l wonders how weird the SDK and Studio must feel due to running on Java that is not Oracle (or the hahaha-no-we're-not-oracle IcedTea)
Jun 26 17:33:52 <Foxandxss> downloading L, it says razor, but I guess it is FLO also, damn codenames
Jun 26 17:33:56 <ifmw> Well shit, the activity transitions are not supported in older-than-L versions of android
Jun 26 17:34:03 <ionstorm> Foxandxss, ya razor is flo
Jun 26 17:34:14 <Foxandxss> p_l: I heard about problems using those java version, be aware
Jun 26 17:34:16 <Foxandxss> ionstorm: I see
Jun 26 17:34:33 <p_l> Foxandxss: the only "problem" i ever got was "holy fuck, it's fast"
Jun 26 17:34:46 <Foxandxss> p_l: hah
Jun 26 17:34:56 <g00s> its going to take me a lot to absorb all this material stuff
Jun 26 17:34:59 <gordon_> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-developer-preview-images-now-available-for-the-nexus-5-and-2013-nexus-7/
Jun 26 17:35:06 <ifmw> Google Keep was kinda amazing because they built their own animation classes and they all worked amazingly well even on Gingerbread. Was totally hoping the support library would gain the Material animations
Jun 26 17:35:10 <g00s> trying to wrap my head around their intentions and metaphors
Jun 26 17:35:13 <Foxandxss> g00s: only you?
Jun 26 17:35:20 <Foxandxss> my head hurt already
Jun 26 17:35:50 <p_l> Foxandxss: the truly problematic part was installing it when I still had PaX enabled
Jun 26 17:36:17 <ifmw> grrrrrrrrrrrrr: Caution: Do not not publish apps that use the L Developer Preview to the Google Play store.
Jun 26 17:36:58 <g00s> yeah its a little … early ?
Jun 26 17:37:04 <Foxandxss> ok, installing L on the nexus
Jun 26 17:37:42 <Foxandxss> and android studio seems to be needed to be installed from zero
Jun 26 17:38:16 <ifmw> Foxandxss: not eclipse friendly? :(
Jun 26 17:38:17 <Foxandxss> or maybe the update is not pushed yet
Jun 26 17:38:26 <Foxandxss> ifmw: who?
Jun 26 17:38:29 <p_l> ehh, update for studio 0.8 still not in unbundled form
Jun 26 17:38:41 <Foxandxss> p_l: what do you mean?
Jun 26 17:38:55 <kbs> g00s: heh agree, [re: metaphors] it's a bit stretched sometimes, for sure.
Jun 26 17:39:03 <p_l> Foxandxss: you can download the bundled (with sdk) form, but not the version without
Jun 26 17:39:20 <Foxandxss> so you can't update yet, right?
Jun 26 17:39:28 <v8> Anyone with experience in Tim Roe's EnhancedListView ?
Jun 26 17:39:31 <Foxandxss> I think I am using the bundled sdk
Jun 26 17:39:43 <Foxandxss> well, nexus booting up
Jun 26 17:39:45 <g00s> kbs its like 'we have these materials, which obey some intuitive physics you should understand' … but then they are magical !
Jun 26 17:39:47 <p_l> well, I am making an unbundled tbz2 :>
Jun 26 17:39:49 <ifmw> Hrm, I don't use Android Studio
Jun 26 17:39:57 <Foxandxss> ifmw: you should now :P
Jun 26 17:40:31 <ifmw> I don't use Android Studio because it's buggier than Eclipse. But more importantly there is little documentation for it
Jun 26 17:40:39 <Foxandxss> p_l: the changelog itself is not even up yet
Jun 26 17:40:49 <Foxandxss> it is beta as today ifmw
Jun 26 17:40:56 <Foxandxss> and what kind of doc you need?
Jun 26 17:41:00 <ifmw> Tutorials
Jun 26 17:41:12 <Foxandxss> of what kind? (real question)
Jun 26 17:41:13 * p_l doesn't use Eclipse in the first place for anything as long as he can
Jun 26 17:41:14 <ifmw> "Here is how you add a non gradle library to your poject and use it"
Jun 26 17:41:17 <lasserix> Anyone know a convient method for measuring the size (bytes) of a json array? I have a restful server that will take batch operations up to a certain size...
Jun 26 17:41:22 <Foxandxss> p_l: I second that
Jun 26 17:41:36 <Foxandxss> p_l: but but but, when I was on the school I had to use a java ide...
Jun 26 17:41:39 <Foxandxss> what was it called...
Jun 26 17:41:51 <Foxandxss> ah, jdeveloper
Jun 26 17:42:01 <p_l> I think the only eclipse-based thing I've used recently was TopBraid Composer, but that's a complete application built on top of Eclipse and doesn't really involve a lot of eclipse's issues
Jun 26 17:42:06 <Foxandxss> and old version which was really buggy on any modern OS
Jun 26 17:42:21 <Foxandxss> like no styles, it gets really laggy after 40 mins of usage...
Jun 26 17:42:37 <Foxandxss> p_l: uh, topbraid composer?
Jun 26 17:42:46 <g00s> p_l Monitor is still Eclipse :)
Jun 26 17:42:55 <p_l> g00s: I rarely open it :P
Jun 26 17:42:58 <ifmw> well, tutorials to teach android development are needed. the android studio tutorials are severely lacking and outdated
Jun 26 17:43:01 <g00s> i know it sucks ass :|
Jun 26 17:43:02 * p_l usually goes around with logcat -C
Jun 26 17:43:03 <Foxandxss> my nexus is taking a lot of minutes booting
Jun 26 17:43:21 <Foxandxss> p_l: you do ontologies?
Jun 26 17:43:22 <p_l> Foxandxss: an application for working with OWL2 and related technologies
Jun 26 17:43:33 <drindt> i use the recent update of the sdk and adt, but the emulator seems not to recognize the orientation change by pressing strg+f11, it goes in landscape mode, but the orientation change is never processed. any hints?
Jun 26 17:43:36 <p_l> Foxandxss: my master's thesis involved them :)
Jun 26 17:43:42 <Foxandxss> p_l: that is cool
Jun 26 17:43:50 <Foxandxss> my GF PhD was based on ontologies
Jun 26 17:43:52 <Foxandxss> using topbraid
Jun 26 17:44:05 <p_l> and semantic tech is *awesome*, but underappreciated
Jun 26 17:44:05 <Foxandxss> and my .NET app to show them (parse owl2 basically)
Jun 26 17:44:16 <v8> Guys.. anyone has any kind of knowledge in Tim Roes' EnhancedListView?
Jun 26 17:44:18 <Foxandxss> I hate xml now
Jun 26 17:44:24 <Foxandxss> rdf, owl...
Jun 26 17:44:25 <Foxandxss> heh
Jun 26 17:44:48 <Foxandxss> p_l: she is giving conferences about it this years
Jun 26 17:44:55 <Foxandxss> she need it for a promotion at the univ
Jun 26 17:45:03 <p_l> Foxandxss: well, I don't think I've used XML much with it, except for OWL because OWL can look nice in XML. For RDF itself, N3 and such :D
Jun 26 17:45:29 <Foxandxss> I have to, to create a ontologies parser
Jun 26 17:45:39 <Foxandxss> so she could show her ontology on the PhD presentation
Jun 26 17:45:51 <Foxandxss> and the end result was good for her :)
Jun 26 17:46:27 <Foxandxss> and topbraid was the best option
Jun 26 17:46:43 <p_l> TopBraid is indeed the best ontology editor I dealt with
Jun 26 17:46:58 <p_l> ... Protege has a place in "hall of UX infamy" for me
Jun 26 17:46:59 <Foxandxss> there was one, pretty famous
Jun 26 17:47:04 <Foxandxss> that one
Jun 26 17:47:12 <Foxandxss> was really complicated inded
Jun 26 17:47:14 <Foxandxss> indeed*
Jun 26 17:47:31 <p_l> together with "modern" interfaces that cause the clerks in banks to spent 15 minutes mousing around to do what few F-keys did in 30s
Jun 26 17:47:40 <Foxandxss> she tested a couple, but top braid was the best
Jun 26 17:47:45 <Foxandxss> even being eclipse
Jun 26 17:48:01 <Foxandxss> p_l: so what are you representing on them? (if that is the right word)
Jun 26 17:48:16 <g00s> p_l yeah, you always gotta cringe when you see clerks writing something down on paper to put it on some other screen
Jun 26 17:48:31 <p_l> Foxandxss: I worked on using ontologies to drive access controls to semantic database
Jun 26 17:48:36 <g00s> using some 3270 terminal crap or something
Jun 26 17:48:44 <p_l> Foxandxss: by filtering and mangling SPARQL
Jun 26 17:48:51 <p_l> g00s: the 3270 stuff was *fast*
Jun 26 17:48:57 <Foxandxss> so, oriented to computers
Jun 26 17:48:58 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 17:49:10 <Foxandxss> my gf's one was about travels (turism)
Jun 26 17:49:16 <p_l> g00s: today, you see them spent 15m mousing to click the umpteenth menu to get somewhere
Jun 26 17:49:18 <Foxandxss> tourism*
Jun 26 17:49:43 <p_l> Foxandxss: well, mine used the better understanding of data to make sysadmins a bit less cranky ;)
Jun 26 17:50:11 <ionstorm> anyone flash supersu on L?
Jun 26 17:50:26 <ionstorm> wonder if the knox will knox it if it has it
Jun 26 17:50:29 <p_l> I want to experiment with using semantic tech and expert systems to make some fun cloud management stuff :)
Jun 26 17:50:42 <ionstorm> love the new boot animation
Jun 26 17:50:44 <Foxandxss> p_l: cool
Jun 26 17:50:57 <Foxandxss> alright, n7 configured
Jun 26 17:51:15 <Foxandxss> uh, settings are cool
Jun 26 17:51:21 <Foxandxss> Afzal: you said that, right?
Jun 26 17:51:21 <ionstorm> way cool
Jun 26 17:51:36 <p_l> Foxandxss: things like having a definition that certain services have various needs, and have it go down to individual network ports providing things, so if a connection drops I can propagate the change and react on it
Jun 26 17:51:45 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 17:51:53 <Foxandxss> ontologies are cool, I had to research a little bit to help her
Jun 26 17:51:59 <Foxandxss> she was about traveling packages
Jun 26 17:52:18 <Foxandxss> she is from foreign languages tho
Jun 26 17:52:37 <Foxandxss> so about travel packages in various languages
Jun 26 17:53:19 <Foxandxss> and what's a master's thesis?
Jun 26 17:53:51 <p_l> Foxandxss: essentially what you need to write to get master's degree ;)
Jun 26 17:53:56 <p_l> dissertation/thesis
Jun 26 17:53:59 <p_l> naming differs
Jun 26 17:54:27 <Foxandxss> I am not familiarized with master's degree
Jun 26 17:54:28 <p_l> mine didn't work out as well as it could or like I wanted to, but I did grab the MSci :P
Jun 26 17:54:58 <p_l> Foxandxss: usually a prereq for PhD work, except in UK where you can go into PhD with Bachelor w/ Honours
Jun 26 17:55:07 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 17:55:22 <Foxandxss> here when you end your career, you have to do another course (two years) called DEA
Jun 26 17:55:25 <Foxandxss> and then, PhD
Jun 26 17:55:45 <Foxandxss> oooh
Jun 26 17:55:54 <p_l> Used to be the default degree you'd go for in many countries (so undergraduate studies would be usually a year or two longer than in UK/USA and end with Master's instead of bachelor's)
Jun 26 17:55:54 <Foxandxss> DEA in english is: Master of advanced study
Jun 26 17:55:57 <Foxandxss> all makes sense
Jun 26 17:56:17 <Foxandxss> p_l: were are you from? polish?
Jun 26 17:56:28 <p_l> Yeah. But I studied in Scotland :)
Jun 26 17:56:35 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 17:56:40 <Foxandxss> I am spanish btw :)
Jun 26 17:56:48 <Foxandxss> nice to meet you heh
Jun 26 17:57:08 <p_l> hmm, material science talk is going to happen soon
Jun 26 17:57:24 <g00s> support library and gradle plugin have no release notes :|
Jun 26 17:57:27 <Foxandxss> bah, I will see them later when they record it
Jun 26 17:57:34 <Foxandxss> g00s: android studio either
Jun 26 17:57:40 <Foxandxss> I think we need to way a couple of hours
Jun 26 17:57:51 <g00s> i think google needs to do it like apple :)
Jun 26 17:58:08 <g00s> it just all appears like 2 seconds after cook announces it
Jun 26 17:58:17 <g00s> or whoever
Jun 26 17:58:34 <Foxandxss> I have mixed feelings about the new "toggles" screen
Jun 26 17:59:08 <ClarkC> The new Support Library rc1 is making Gradle complain that my minSDK of 14 is less than the Support Library's 14.  At 15 it complains it's less than 15. So on and so forth. ;)
Jun 26 17:59:31 <Foxandxss> ClarkC: already using the new AS?
Jun 26 17:59:47 <ClarkC> No, I haven't upgraded AS.
Jun 26 17:59:54 <ldiamond> is there a way with adb to create a full backup of the phone (like I would using dd on linux)?
Jun 26 17:59:58 <ClarkC> Not working in it right now, just saw the Gradle complaint and left it for later.
Jun 26 17:59:59 <Foxandxss> ah
Jun 26 18:00:08 <Foxandxss> the library support is rc1?
Jun 26 18:00:15 <Foxandxss> android dev is huge
Jun 26 18:00:25 <Foxandxss> there are two libraries, v4 and v7, right?
Jun 26 18:01:13 <ClarkC> It's my (compile 'com.android.support:support-v4:+') that's trying to pull 20.0.0-rc1 now.
Jun 26 18:01:26 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 18:01:36 <pfn> don't use + versions
Jun 26 18:01:55 <ClarkC> Yeah, manually setting it back fixes it.
Jun 26 18:01:58 <pfn> and that's weird, support lib is a jar...
Jun 26 18:02:04 <pfn> + versions are the worst invention ever
Jun 26 18:02:05 <ClarkC> I'm going to investigate the rc1 issues later if I have time
Jun 26 18:02:13 <Foxandxss> pfn: yah, that is the default
Jun 26 18:02:43 <Foxandxss> ClarkC: 20.0.0-rc1 or 21?
Jun 26 18:02:48 <Foxandxss> I see 21.0.0-rc1
Jun 26 18:03:13 <pfn> and that's where
Jun 26 18:03:19 <ClarkC> Sorry, yeah, 21.0.0-rc1
Jun 26 18:03:19 <pfn> where do you see a 20.0 or 21.0
Jun 26 18:03:23 <pfn> it's not in the support repo
Jun 26 18:03:36 <pfn> unless google has added it to central...
Jun 26 18:03:36 <ClarkC> pfn Not sure where Gradle got it.
Jun 26 18:03:38 <Foxandxss> pfn: http://puu.sh/9LdAb/00be5f9555.png
Jun 26 18:04:12 <pfn> Foxandxss, yeah, it's not in the support repo...
Jun 26 18:05:03 <ClarkC> I had a library that was using v4:+  Just changed it back to 19.
Jun 26 18:05:09 <pfn> and it's not in central...
Jun 26 18:05:15 <ClarkC> Strange
Jun 26 18:05:48 <Foxandxss> things are kinda weird atm, we need to wait a couple of hours I guess
Jun 26 18:06:03 <Foxandxss> bbl
Jun 26 18:08:16 <pfn> maybe the android plugin has another repo
Jun 26 18:10:08 <Afzal> oh boy oh boy. It's here
Jun 26 18:10:11 <Afzal> factory images are here!
Jun 26 18:11:25 <g00s> nice, Recyclerview doesn't extend AbsListView
Jun 26 18:11:35 <p_l> from "API 7 up" o_O
Jun 26 18:12:40 <gdrc> hey
Jun 26 18:13:18 <Afzal> Hmm, have I written a LayoutManager? :/
Jun 26 18:16:15 <g00s> weird idea of shadows. they should simulate rayleigh scattering
Jun 26 18:16:56 <p_l> g00s: maybe it's involved with how they got it to work at 60fps?
Jun 26 18:18:17 <ClarkC> I never thought I'd be listening to stuff like this for a phone UI. :)
Jun 26 18:18:49 <p_l> fun thing that HTML had z-property loooong time ago ;)
Jun 26 18:19:24 <markmarkmark> hm... if there's a "camera" in front of the phone does that mean that setting the z value higher will inherently cause the view to appear larger? or am i reading too much into the camera metaphor
Jun 26 18:19:37 <swb1998> anyone here with a galaxy nexus that can record a logcat please?
Jun 26 18:20:00 <p_l> markmarkmark: it's orthogonal projection, so no
Jun 26 18:20:06 <ClarkC> True, but no 3D volumes to draw in.  Well... There was that VR vhtml stuff long ago or whatever it was called.
Jun 26 18:20:16 <markmarkmark> ah
Jun 26 18:20:19 <gdrc> I need to watch what new in android development tool
Jun 26 18:20:33 <p_l> ClarkC: VRML. I had played with some truly cool demos
Jun 26 18:20:48 <ClarkC> Ah yes, VRML.  It was fun
Jun 26 18:20:48 <p_l> like ISS model in the browser
Jun 26 18:22:07 <LokiSnake> Hi, I'm having issues getting adb to see my nexus 5 (I turned on USB debugging, I'm on OS X 10.9 with latest android studio installed)
Jun 26 18:22:31 <Afzal> o.O Userdata.img is 140MB in the factory img
Jun 26 18:22:32 <Afzal> :/
Jun 26 18:29:35 <danijoo> they really take their time with the "L"-preview.
Jun 26 18:30:55 <g00s> WP has something like Activity Transitions
Jun 26 18:31:07 <g00s> not sure about iOS
Jun 26 18:32:00 <thepoosh> it sucks! I am curtain
Jun 26 18:32:08 <g00s> hero element :)
Jun 26 18:32:11 <gdrc> can we use material design theme on android version < L ?
Jun 26 18:32:23 <ClarkC> gdrc http://developer.android.com/preview/material/compatibility.html
Jun 26 18:32:24 <g00s> gdrc they said use AppCompat
Jun 26 18:32:30 <ClarkC> Answer is no at the moment.
Jun 26 18:33:01 <ClarkC> But the CardView in the CompatibilityLibrary has some baked shadows that are similar to Material
Jun 26 18:36:29 <g00s> as long as those tools are well documented as well as javadoc :)
Jun 26 18:37:09 <pfn> I hope the moto x gets L
Jun 26 18:38:10 <g00s> oh AppCompat gets some of the visual styling
Jun 26 18:38:17 <Napalm> yay
Jun 26 18:38:22 <ClarkC> I wonder if they refer it to L internally too.  There haven't been any slips on the name.  In the fireside chat someone called Material Quantum by accident.  But there haven't been any L slips.
Jun 26 18:38:24 <ClarkC> Oh good
Jun 26 18:40:30 <lasserix> Anyone know if Contacts._ID is guaranted to map to RawContact.CONTACT_ID?
Jun 26 18:41:21 <pfn> look at what the constant values says it is
Jun 26 18:42:38 <Afzal> hm, not sure what Adam just said about cursor adapters
Jun 26 18:42:44 <DarkChaoz> o-o
Jun 26 18:42:47 <DarkChaoz> hi
Jun 26 18:45:06 <Foxandxss> back
Jun 26 18:45:26 <g00s> Foxandxss this isn't twitter :)
Jun 26 18:46:16 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 26 18:46:17 <Foxandxss> g00s: there is no need to be harsh either
Jun 26 18:46:17 <Foxandxss> see, you created a split :P
Jun 26 18:46:28 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 26 18:46:36 <DarkChaoz> android crashed :/
Jun 26 18:46:43 <g00s> Foxandxss you haven't seen harsh :D
Jun 26 18:46:44 <Napalm> preview L?
Jun 26 18:47:12 <Napalm> DarkChaoz
Jun 26 18:47:13 <Foxandxss> g00s: I was going to say earlier that you were a good person, I still think that
Jun 26 18:47:35 <Foxandxss> g00s: I am just too tired of being serious at an IRC channel
Jun 26 18:47:39 <g00s> XD
Jun 26 18:47:56 <Foxandxss> I am an operator of the angular IRC channel
Jun 26 18:48:06 <Foxandxss> and I have to make sure that everybody is respectful, no offtopic and stuff like that
Jun 26 18:48:13 <g00s> each channel has a personality
Jun 26 18:48:13 <Foxandxss> and yay, that is really troublesome
Jun 26 18:48:29 <Foxandxss> ya, but imposed personality is not love
Jun 26 18:48:47 <Foxandxss> (talking about the other channel)
Jun 26 18:49:42 <Foxandxss> so the demo project I am doing from a book says that I am not targeting the latest sdk version. Not so sure if I should target L yet
Jun 26 18:54:51 <p_l> eh, Android Studio got issues with getting the wear/glass classes
Jun 26 18:55:31 <Foxandxss> weird
Jun 26 18:55:33 <g00s> Foxandxss its i/o so everybody is talking but typically this channel is pretty quiet / low traffic
Jun 26 18:55:34 <Foxandxss> I haven't update yet
Jun 26 18:56:22 <Foxandxss> g00s: I see. Well, I also like quiet channels
Jun 26 18:56:28 <Foxandxss> angular one doesn't let me work
Jun 26 18:56:36 <Foxandxss> questions questions questions questions questions, all day long
Jun 26 18:57:19 <DarkChaoz> does anyone how can I use uri for my cursorloader
Jun 26 18:57:20 <DarkChaoz> http://pastebin.com/SrykiBT1
Jun 26 18:57:56 <Foxandxss> g00s: still, I see here "meat" for a nice android-dev blog
Jun 26 18:58:04 <Foxandxss> maybe I should do one... in the future
Jun 26 18:59:26 <johnflux_> When I build, I spend almost all the time in build/tools/findleaves.py
Jun 26 18:59:42 <DarkChaoz> any ideas how can i use uri?
Jun 26 19:00:06 <lasserix> p_l: heh, thanks. just wondering if anyone could confirm this actually is true.
Jun 26 19:01:00 <mattblang_> is there a good wa to resize a MapFragment?
Jun 26 19:01:10 <Ram_> When you use a hashmap or hashtable, do you need to implement the hash function ? Whats the default logic of hashfunction implemented ?
Jun 26 19:03:06 <lasserix> equals/hashcode of the object you are hashing in the set/map
Jun 26 19:03:16 <DarkChaoz> is there other way to return results other than cursorloader?
Jun 26 19:03:19 <lasserix> you can override these to implement your own
Jun 26 19:03:27 <lasserix> *hashing function
Jun 26 19:03:35 <g00s> you guys having a problem with the live stream ?
Jun 26 19:03:40 <g00s> can't get romains talk up
Jun 26 19:03:54 <Foxandxss> let me try
Jun 26 19:04:01 <lasserix> arent they on lunch right now?
Jun 26 19:04:23 <g00s> oh shit :)
Jun 26 19:04:29 <lasserix> ;p
Jun 26 19:04:30 <g00s> haha thanks lasserix
Jun 26 19:04:48 <DarkChaoz> is there a different way to return results from a cursor?
Jun 26 19:04:57 <DarkChaoz> other than cursorloader
Jun 26 19:05:03 <Foxandxss> I see some streams
Jun 26 19:05:05 <Foxandxss> working
Jun 26 19:05:35 <lasserix> DarkChaoz: whats your problem?
Jun 26 19:05:41 <g00s> Ram_ using a standard java class, it probably provides a hash already. if you have a holder with a few strings, then you will provide a hash based on the hashes of those strings for example
Jun 26 19:06:28 <DarkChaoz> basically, im trying to figure out how I can do uri for cursorloader to return results of a query
Jun 26 19:06:29 <DarkChaoz> http://pastebin.com/SrykiBT1
Jun 26 19:06:42 <DarkChaoz> if you need to see full dbhelper code I'd be more happy to show it.
Jun 26 19:06:52 <lasserix> do you need to use a uri?
Jun 26 19:07:32 <mattblang_> is there a good wa to run some code after a View has been resized/
Jun 26 19:07:44 <DarkChaoz> most likely because I cant use null on the cursorloader as far as Im aware.
Jun 26 19:08:54 <lasserix> sure you can
Jun 26 19:09:23 <lasserix> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/ContentResolver.html#query(android.net.Uri, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String, java.lang.String[], java.lang.String)
Jun 26 19:09:39 <Jesperhead> i think you need a bool :-p
Jun 26 19:10:12 <DarkChaoz> I get an error when i do this Cursor lol =  myDbHelper.getData(1);
Jun 26 19:10:12 <DarkChaoz>  	return CursorLoader(lol, null, null, null, null, null);
Jun 26 19:10:20 <DarkChaoz> probably doing it wrong
Jun 26 19:10:29 <Jesperhead> probably. got a stacktrace?
Jun 26 19:10:38 <DarkChaoz> nah
Jun 26 19:10:41 <Jesperhead> good luck
Jun 26 19:11:12 <DarkChaoz> lol
Jun 26 19:11:14 <lasserix> you have to use a content provider to use a cursor loader i believe
Jun 26 19:11:17 <lasserix> that's why it doesn't work
Jun 26 19:12:03 <lasserix> so either implement your own asyncloader (i think there are libraries out there for using a database (not content provider) to do this)
Jun 26 19:12:11 <DarkChaoz> I see.
Jun 26 19:12:11 <lasserix> or write a simple content provider for your dat
Jun 26 19:12:17 <lasserix> *data
Jun 26 19:12:17 <desmin88> haven't been watching i/o religiously, has google said anywhere if Material design/L would be made compatible to 4.0? ATM it says the preview version only of Material design/L isnt
Jun 26 19:12:30 <DarkChaoz> is there no other way to return result other than cursorloader?
Jun 26 19:12:41 <g00s> bankai_au rxjava 0.19.2
Jun 26 19:13:42 <g00s> crap, my app has a dark and light theme - i'm worried its going to become a combinatorial clusterfuck between material / holo / dark / light
Jun 26 19:14:05 <mattblang_> combinatorial clusterfuck.  i love it
Jun 26 19:14:20 <g00s> actually, is everything in Material light ?
Jun 26 19:14:22 <g00s> oh crap
Jun 26 19:14:30 <desmin88> if google doesnt make a material supportl library back to 4.0 theyre shooting themselves in the foot
Jun 26 19:14:34 <g00s> i haven't seen any dark material :|
Jun 26 19:14:39 <WaltKovacs> I updated my build tools and the support library in Android Studio today and now when I try and build I'm getting this build error: Error:Execution failed for task ':Priv:processDebugManifest'.
Jun 26 19:14:39 <WaltKovacs> > Manifest merger failed : uses-sdk:minSdkVersion 14 cannot be smaller than version 14 declared in library com.android.support:support-v4:21.0.0-rc1
Jun 26 19:14:46 <WaltKovacs> Any ideas?
Jun 26 19:15:29 <g00s> WaltKovacs i think you are the 2nd person to mention that
Jun 26 19:15:41 <g00s> protip: never use new google tools when announced .0
Jun 26 19:15:59 <WaltKovacs> Ahhhh a stackoverflow question just got updated with an answer a minute ago. Gonna give it a try. Heres the link in case anyone else is having the prob
Jun 26 19:16:08 <WaltKovacs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24438170/manifest-merger-failed-uses-sdkminsdkversion-14
Jun 26 19:16:56 <WaltKovacs> Yeah that fixed it
Jun 26 19:17:04 <desmin88> or maybe we get a 'sherlock-material' lol
Jun 26 19:19:11 <Afzal> Wow, taking a long time to load
Jun 26 19:19:11 <Afzal> didn't flash the userdata.img though soo....
Jun 26 19:19:45 <Foxandxss> Afzal: like 5 minutes for me
Jun 26 19:19:55 <Afzal> Foxandxss, did you wipe all data?
Jun 26 19:20:04 <Foxandxss> I executed flash-all
Jun 26 19:20:10 <Foxandxss> did nothing before
Jun 26 19:20:30 <Afzal> Ah, I'm keeping my data so I didn't flash userdata
Jun 26 19:20:56 <Afzal> let's see, it takes about 2 - 150 sec / app
Jun 26 19:21:06 <Foxandxss> mine is like new
Jun 26 19:21:09 <Foxandxss> I Didn't care
Jun 26 19:21:13 <Foxandxss> I just need twitter on it :P
Jun 26 19:21:20 <Afzal> done 94 apps, need like 60 more :p
Jun 26 19:22:25 <desmin88> thats a lot of apps..
Jun 26 19:27:58 <Afzal> desmin88, yeah, I'm an app hoarder
Jun 26 19:27:59 <Afzal> :/
Jun 26 19:28:19 <Afzal> almost done :/
Jun 26 19:28:28 <Napalm> RecyclerView is awesome
Jun 26 19:29:05 * desmin88 agrees with napalm
Jun 26 19:29:29 <Napalm> what really annoys me though, is that i just spent a lot of time making my own
Jun 26 19:29:36 <desmin88> lol
Jun 26 19:29:37 <Afzal> crap. Just realized I should've used Helium
Jun 26 19:29:41 <Afzal> dangit
Jun 26 19:29:43 <Napalm> now google come out with one that has more features and.. if im honest.. better
Jun 26 19:29:56 <Napalm> now i have to do more code and switch it over
Jun 26 19:29:59 <Afzal> old twrp backup habits :(
Jun 26 19:30:36 <Foxandxss> Napalm: cool, I want to try it
Jun 26 19:30:47 <Napalm> playing around with it now
Jun 26 19:30:56 <Foxandxss> AS doesn't update yet, grr
Jun 26 19:31:24 <Afzal> dexopt complete :D
Jun 26 19:31:35 <Afzal> SELinux stuff happening to each app o.O
Jun 26 19:32:09 <desmin88> Foxandxss, latest is right here - https://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html
Jun 26 19:32:18 <desmin88> i uninstalled my as then installed that
Jun 26 19:32:52 <Napalm> why do you need AS to update?
Jun 26 19:32:57 <Afzal> desmin88, do you get a 0.8.2 update after you install 0.8.0?
Jun 26 19:33:03 <Napalm> its already in the local m2repo
Jun 26 19:33:27 <Afzal> oh boy it booted@
Jun 26 19:34:00 <Foxandxss> desmin88: yeah, but it will delete all my configuration for sure
Jun 26 19:34:09 <g00s> Afzal did they already put out a .2 update ?
Jun 26 19:34:13 <Foxandxss> m2repo? what's that?
Jun 26 19:34:20 <Foxandxss> g00s: the video was run on 0.8.2
Jun 26 19:34:22 <desmin88> Foxandxss, you can re-import your old configuration
Jun 26 19:34:26 <Foxandxss> the tool video I mean
Jun 26 19:34:26 <g00s> oh, he said that was special
Jun 26 19:34:32 <Foxandxss> I guessed that
Jun 26 19:34:40 <Foxandxss> an special update just for them
Jun 26 19:34:44 <Foxandxss> for the IO
Jun 26 19:35:26 <Foxandxss> Napalm: sorry, I am not an android dev :)
Jun 26 19:35:33 <Afzal> how do i open the quick settings?
Jun 26 19:35:50 <Napalm> Afzal: open as in, on your device?
Jun 26 19:36:05 <Afzal> yeah, i dragged the notification shade
Jun 26 19:36:06 <Napalm> oh you mean in L Preview
Jun 26 19:36:08 <Napalm> ?
Jun 26 19:36:11 <Afzal> but quick settings it still hidden
Jun 26 19:36:11 <Afzal> yes
Jun 26 19:36:13 <p_l> "Failed to find: com.google.android.gms:play-services-wearable:+" ;_;
Jun 26 19:36:14 <Napalm> two fingers
Jun 26 19:36:17 <Napalm> drag down
Jun 26 19:36:47 <Foxandxss> oh, I think I am going to miss my old sdk also with this update
Jun 26 19:36:58 <Foxandxss> bah, not a problem
Jun 26 19:37:16 <Foxandxss> oh, old options deleted, I am stupid, bah
Jun 26 19:37:43 <desmin88> shoulda just backed them up
Jun 26 19:38:06 <Foxandxss> I thought they were saved into another directory
Jun 26 19:38:11 <Foxandxss> like it used to be on linux
Jun 26 19:38:14 <Foxandxss> not inside the app itself
Jun 26 19:42:44 <Foxandxss> needed a fresh install, both ide and sdk tools, so that is good
Jun 26 19:43:05 <JakeWharton> 0.8.2 isn't out yet
Jun 26 19:43:24 <Foxandxss> internal usage I guess
Jun 26 19:44:01 <yacek19> hi
Jun 26 19:44:42 <yacek19> I have layout with several items and last item is ListView, but it is very small on the screen
Jun 26 19:45:10 <yacek19> how to expand ListView height to whole ListView height with child items in it?
Jun 26 19:45:52 <g00s> yacek19 there is a devbyte on that
Jun 26 19:46:10 <g00s> oops sorry, i thought you meant expand an item
Jun 26 19:47:03 <yacek19> I would like this ListView not to be scrollable
Jun 26 19:47:14 <Foxandxss> Afzal: where did you install it?
Jun 26 19:47:43 <Afzal> Foxandxss, install what?
Jun 26 19:47:46 <Foxandxss> L
Jun 26 19:47:58 <Afzal> My nexus 5
Jun 26 19:48:19 <Foxandxss> ah, on N7 I get ugly notification panel
Jun 26 19:48:23 <Afzal> It runs okay I think but I'm gonna flash Kitkat back, backup everything using Helium instead of TWRP and then flash L back
Jun 26 19:48:27 <Foxandxss> well, new one but it I don't like it
Jun 26 19:48:37 <Foxandxss> what's helium?
Jun 26 19:48:45 <Afzal> It's a backup app by Koush
Jun 26 19:48:53 <Foxandxss> interesting
Jun 26 19:49:30 <Foxandxss> I used titanium in the past but didn't work that good for me
Jun 26 19:49:31 <Afzal> And Carousel and FlashFox were crashing
Jun 26 19:49:36 <Foxandxss> some apps always cried when I restore them
Jun 26 19:49:37 <Afzal> And home button wasn't working
Jun 26 19:50:13 <p_l> one has to be careful to not restore system parts with titanium :P
Jun 26 19:50:19 <p_l> Helium otoh tends to miss data
Jun 26 19:50:40 <huygg>  http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html <- so google play does not support sw<N>dp and requiresSmallestWidth ?
Jun 26 19:50:57 <Foxandxss> whatsapp was always brokish after titanium backup
Jun 26 19:51:01 <Foxandxss> I even have the license for it
Jun 26 19:54:14 <Foxandxss> normally when I swap roms I don't backup since my data (photos, etc) are not deleted
Jun 26 19:54:22 <Foxandxss> I don't really care having to reinstall apps
Jun 26 19:54:39 <desmin88> i use google+ auto backup of my photos
Jun 26 19:54:45 <desmin88> never have to worry about it
Jun 26 19:55:15 <Foxandxss> my photos are synced with dropbox though
Jun 26 19:55:37 <Foxandxss> well, AS updated, time to fix the project
Jun 26 19:56:40 <Foxandxss> ah, it needs new gradle and buildToolsVersion
Jun 26 19:57:32 <Afzal> I have some apps that have weird settings and such
Jun 26 19:57:39 <Afzal> like Yatse (xbmc remote app)
Jun 26 19:57:44 <desmin88> so i want to ask one more time since i haven't been watching i/o that much - did google say if material design was going to be made compatible to 4.0 with a support lib?
Jun 26 19:57:47 <Afzal> and of course, the wifi passwords from everywhere :p
Jun 26 19:57:56 <Afzal> desmin88, they said it won't.
Jun 26 19:58:02 <Afzal> It's a theme just like Holo was
Jun 26 19:58:16 <g00s> i think its weird how they are numbering the API releases. so Wearables gets its own integer (20) ?
Jun 26 19:58:25 <Afzal> yeah but Android L gets L
Jun 26 19:58:32 <desmin88> thats just dumb
Jun 26 19:58:36 <g00s> is API 20 like normal android + wearable ?
Jun 26 19:58:38 <Afzal> honestly, somebody better have a good reason for this
Jun 26 19:58:50 <desmin88> well i guess time to wait for somebody to make their own support lib
Jun 26 19:58:52 <Afzal> g00s, I think so. The sources and docs include both
Jun 26 19:59:03 <ClarkC> They also mentioned that as L gets closer to release the AppCompat theme will have some backports of the Material theme, like the shadows and such.
Jun 26 19:59:17 <desmin88> yeah i saw that
Jun 26 19:59:24 <g00s> Afzal ah, ok. so i should be using 20 then as my 'best/stable/default' targetSdk
Jun 26 19:59:39 <Afzal> Yeah, probably, unless you wanna use L
Jun 26 19:59:40 <g00s> for phone - not even doing wearable atm
Jun 26 19:59:42 <mattblang_> anyone know a way to resize a fragment if its container changes size?  i can't resize or reinject the fragment where I change the container's layoutparams because the change hasn't taken effect yet.  so im not sure the best way to reinject after the resize of the container has happened.
Jun 26 19:59:52 <desmin88> but they should make the entirety of the material theme back compatible to 4.0
Jun 26 20:00:10 <lasserix> here's an interesting non-sequitar till the io starts again: http://boingboing.net/2014/06/25/charlie-stross-on-the-stopgo.html
Jun 26 20:00:12 <g00s> desmin88 i dunno. seems like there is a lot of motion and Z axis stuff
Jun 26 20:00:17 <g00s> it would be a hack
Jun 26 20:00:24 <ClarkC> They should, because someone else is going to anyway.  Like how they finally got around to the ActionBar long after Sherlock was everywhere.
Jun 26 20:00:43 <g00s> someone could make materialEverywhere
Jun 26 20:00:52 <g00s> that would be even worse than HoloEverywhere
Jun 26 20:01:01 <ClarkC> Yeah, the animations won't be backported and any copies of them won't work as well.  But the design itself, different drawables for different heights etc.  Someone's going to try to make it.
Jun 26 20:01:44 <ClarkC> For now I'm going to follow the guidelines and spacing and icons and such with Holo.  At least layout-wise.  Then maybe look into different shadows and such later.
Jun 26 20:01:53 <desmin88> it seems like itll be a pain in the ass to have a holo version of your app - dark/light, then a material version '
Jun 26 20:02:00 <g00s> i'm really confused. 'android wear arm eabi' … is this what i'm using then for wearable + phone ?
Jun 26 20:02:38 <Afzal> Now what I'm confused about is this: Is 4.4W stable or is it also preview?
Jun 26 20:03:29 <Afzal> Oh I just realized Google bought Sparrow long ago
Jun 26 20:03:34 <g00s> this is dumb, i'll stay with 19
Jun 26 20:03:39 <Afzal> So Sparrow should get Gmail API compatibility :D
Jun 26 20:03:43 <g00s> not like anyone will have 20 anytime soon :D
Jun 26 20:04:52 <p_l> ehh, Polymer has broken input elements ;_;
Jun 26 20:05:07 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 20:05:17 <g00s> p_l now that you are doing real android dev … see its so fun
Jun 26 20:05:26 <g00s> normal stuff XD
Jun 26 20:05:49 <p_l> g00s: I meant the web stuff
Jun 26 20:05:58 <g00s> d'oh
Jun 26 20:06:05 <Afzal> it would be terrible if twrp is unable to restore my data :/
Jun 26 20:06:06 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 20:06:15 <p_l> it's broken by not being a proper input element, so Vimium can't switch into input mode
Jun 26 20:07:11 <pfn> that's so lame...
Jun 26 20:09:45 <p_l> so if I encounter a "paper" text input, I can't exactly use it...
Jun 26 20:10:34 <p_l> unless I remember to hit "i" after selecting input field
Jun 26 20:10:42 <yoavst> Error:Module version de.keyboardsurfer.android.widget:crouton:1.8.4 depends on libraries but is not a library itself
Jun 26 20:10:50 <yoavst> new Android studio 0.8.0
Jun 26 20:11:07 <ClarkC> p_l must be because of all their custom HTML tags that Polymer creates.  That could break a lot of things.
Jun 26 20:12:04 <p_l> Still, it might also conflict with accessibility support
Jun 26 20:12:48 <p_l> anyway, someone got an example of fixing the paths to wearable components in the default build.gradle in android studio 0.8.0 when it's not bundled with sdk?
Jun 26 20:13:25 <ironhalik> hmm, whats with the new API Levels? API 20 L preview and API 20 4.4W
Jun 26 20:13:54 <sDurgam> Hi Guys, I am trying to take screen capture of the grid view programatically and I see that getView function is getting called and only few grid cells are refreshed. I am getting partial snapshot ofthe view. Can someone help me in fixing the issue
Jun 26 20:17:09 <desmin88> sDurgam: can you give some code and maybe the screen capture
Jun 26 20:18:10 <desmin88> otherwise nobody can help u
Jun 26 20:21:07 <sDurgam> desmin88  here is my code http://pastebin.com/LxkLrT8c
Jun 26 20:22:35 <sDurgam> At this line getView is getting called, int widthSpec = View.MeasureSpec.makeMeasureSpec(view.getMeasuredWidth(), View.MeasureSpec.UNSPECIFIED);. But getview is getting called for first 6 positions while there are more than 30 cells.
Jun 26 20:23:07 <desmin88> are all 30 cells visible at one time?
Jun 26 20:23:22 <sDurgam> yes
Jun 26 20:23:31 <Sicp> hey guys
Jun 26 20:23:36 <desmin88> your cells must be very small
Jun 26 20:23:59 <Sicp> so how can I set my main activity to have a flag of "EXCLUDE_FROM_RECENT_TASKS" if no Intent in my app has ever requested to open it?
Jun 26 20:24:23 <sDurgam> yes my cells are very small
Jun 26 20:24:24 <Sicp> whenever I want any other intent to CLEAR_TASK and then launch the next activity, I dont want Main to be included in the clearing
Jun 26 20:25:53 <Foxandxss> uhm, new AS project template includes a test folder, cool
Jun 26 20:26:19 <Sicp> I think it's here, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15202259/how-to-exclude-from-recents-an-exported-activity
Jun 26 20:26:50 <Sicp> it only makes sense
Jun 26 20:27:02 * Afzal braces for a seamless Android Studio update
Jun 26 20:27:11 <Sicp> lol
Jun 26 20:27:13 <Sicp> right
Jun 26 20:27:40 <Afzal> lol, I usually don't face the issues the majority does for some reason :)
Jun 26 20:27:44 <Afzal> Especially with AS
Jun 26 20:28:23 <Foxandxss> me either
Jun 26 20:28:30 <Foxandxss> just some gradle configuration update or stuff like that
Jun 26 20:28:34 <Afzal> lol started genymotion after that terrible experience with Android emulator. So much better :p
Jun 26 20:28:37 <sDurgam> @desmin88: I did not understand why only few cells are getting refreshed
Jun 26 20:28:43 <Afzal> yeah exactly
Jun 26 20:28:49 <Foxandxss> genymotion rock
Jun 26 20:31:19 <yiati> There isn't much to worry about updating if you don't have a very complicated project you're working with, or any jni, or tons of dependencies, etc
Jun 26 20:31:21 <Foxandxss> the new design is not yet available to try on AS, right?
Jun 26 20:31:57 <Foxandxss> Material design I meant
Jun 26 20:34:08 <ajoul> How do I access and save files using android
Jun 26 20:34:14 <ajoul> like for debugging reasons
Jun 26 20:34:15 <ajoul> on adt
Jun 26 20:36:29 <Images> I am trying to load a TrustStore and a KeyStore as shown here: pastebin.com/g1L2V081   - When I run the createSocket() method, I get a SSLHandshakeException and on the server side it says "peer did not return a certificate"
Jun 26 20:36:32 <Images> What am I doing wrong?
Jun 26 20:36:35 <Afzal> also is glass stuff now in 4.4W?
Jun 26 20:37:21 <Foxandxss> I can't compile any Weareable project, missing libraries
Jun 26 20:37:23 <Images> (I generated the CA, and the cert that is signed by that very CA)
Jun 26 20:39:09 <p_l> Afzal: ... I don't think so
Jun 26 20:40:23 <Foxandxss> I guess that wearable libs on the repo are not there yet
Jun 26 20:40:45 <Images> Regarding my problem I'd also accept a solution that uses normal SSLContext if there is a way to do SNI with that
Jun 26 20:41:50 <rymate1234> any way of pairing the new android wear emulator with my android phone?
Jun 26 20:42:10 <ajoul> HELLO?!?!?
Jun 26 20:42:17 <huygg>  http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html <- so google play does not support sw<N>dp and requiresSmallestWidth ?
Jun 26 20:42:38 <huygg> Which actionbar is the old one? the hgiher or the lower one?
Jun 26 20:46:28 <Afzal> BaM! Android Studio updated
Jun 26 20:46:28 <Sicp> man, this clearing activities issue is something
Jun 26 20:46:32 <Afzal> everything works fine :D
Jun 26 20:46:42 <Sicp> no wonder someone wrote a book about intents
Jun 26 20:46:55 <ELFrederich> how is this new L release on the N5?... any issues right away?
Jun 26 20:46:59 <yiati> ajoul: You might not get any responses because people don't use ADT anymore
Jun 26 20:47:14 <Sicp> ^^ insane
Jun 26 20:47:17 <flan3002> Anyone tried drawing a 1024x1024 bitmap with a translated, rotated and scaled matrix onto a Canvas in realtime?
Jun 26 20:47:18 <ajoul> yiati: whats adt
Jun 26 20:47:20 <Foxandxss> Afzal: cool, I had to wait, but well, working now
Jun 26 20:47:34 <yiati> ajoul: you said "on adt"
Jun 26 20:47:38 <flan3002> If so, I'd like to know if and how you made it draw in less than 80 milliseconds...
Jun 26 20:47:48 <Afzal> Foxandxss, I just did a backup of IntelliJ settings and restored that after update
Jun 26 20:47:51 <flan3002> (One less 'if so')
Jun 26 20:48:06 <ajoul> yiati: what do they use
Jun 26 20:48:16 <Foxandxss> Afzal: I am stupid, can't do much about that
Jun 26 20:48:28 <Afzal> lol
Jun 26 20:48:28 <yiati> ajoul: Android Studio
Jun 26 20:48:48 <Sicp> don't listen to him, ajoul
Jun 26 20:48:49 <Foxandxss> Afzal: what I see so far is nothing seen on videos (new theme or controllers)
Jun 26 20:48:54 <Sicp> keep looking for your answer
Jun 26 20:48:55 <yiati> ajoul: Also I don't really understand what you are trying to ask about saving files relative to debugging
Jun 26 20:50:26 <p_l> „This script will download the Studio updater from 135.1245622 to 135.1224218.” <--- lol
Jun 26 20:50:45 <Sicp> wat
Jun 26 20:50:55 <ajoul> yiati: I am trying to store some user data on a file
Jun 26 20:51:07 <ajoul> yiati: how do I access that file, to debug and see if its working
Jun 26 20:51:26 <flan3002> ajoul: Read it? :/
Jun 26 20:51:29 <Sicp> look for writing to external storage, ajoul
Jun 26 20:51:32 <flan3002> ajoul: Where do you save it?
Jun 26 20:51:46 <ajoul> flan3002: not sure where I should save it first of all
Jun 26 20:52:00 <Sicp> external storage
Jun 26 20:52:01 <flan3002> ajoul: Depends on who you want to be able to access it.
Jun 26 20:52:14 <ajoul> flan3002: only the application
Jun 26 20:52:30 <flan3002> ajoul: Internal storage (/data/data) makes it only accessible to the system or to users on rooted phones. :)
Jun 26 20:53:24 <flan3002> ajoul: While everyone can access external storage. Also, on some devices which still have sdcards, external storage may be available later.
Jun 26 20:53:33 <flan3002> (When booting)
Jun 26 20:55:46 <Foxandxss> Afzal: definitely we need api 21 to test the new stuff
Jun 26 20:55:51 <Foxandxss> and also wearable is still broken for me
Jun 26 20:56:00 <Foxandxss> well, no rush for me :P
Jun 26 20:56:28 <g00s> hm, the gradle plugin names changed
Jun 26 20:56:39 <g00s> 'android' and 'android-library'
Jun 26 20:56:43 <Foxandxss> yeah
Jun 26 20:56:53 <Foxandxss> I had to update that also on my demo project
Jun 26 20:57:15 <Foxandxss> and it will start complaining about support v19 but there is no new version yet
Jun 26 20:57:48 <g00s> when i run lint and take its suggestion 'replace android with com.google.application' or whatever, it doesn't work
Jun 26 20:57:50 <yiati> Weren't they already 'android' and 'android-library'?
Jun 26 20:57:54 <g00s> lots of bugs already :)
Jun 26 20:58:11 <Foxandxss> apply plugin: 'com.android.application'
Jun 26 20:58:13 <Foxandxss> that works for me g00s
Jun 26 20:58:27 <huygg> I need different layouts for different sizes in the same bucket, how is that achieved?
Jun 26 20:58:28 <g00s> yeah, me too, but not the lint corrective action
Jun 26 20:58:37 <Foxandxss> ah, lint failed for me too
Jun 26 20:59:01 <Foxandxss> actually, it worked this time
Jun 26 20:59:31 <Foxandxss> the only issue is the red wiggle under appcompat for the version 19, but still works
Jun 26 20:59:35 <Foxandxss> targeting api 20
Jun 26 21:01:04 <colintheshots> Let’s say I register an intent-filter for a custom scheme. How can I accept extras from the URL?
Jun 26 21:01:27 <Haz> Hey question
Jun 26 21:02:15 <Haz> I need to update adt to be able to use the current sdk
Jun 26 21:02:30 <Haz> when I check for updates through eclipse it says there are none
Jun 26 21:02:32 <Afzal> Foxandxss, nope, http://developer.android.com/preview/setup-sdk.html
Jun 26 21:02:34 <Afzal> scroll down
Jun 26 21:02:57 <Haz> if I try to install new software it finds the current adt version, but can't install it because of conflicting dependencies
Jun 26 21:02:59 <Foxandxss> oh oh
Jun 26 21:03:04 <Haz> i.e. the old version
Jun 26 21:03:24 <Foxandxss> so it needs AS to be updated for that (the project template)
Jun 26 21:06:01 <yacek19> I add 10 rows to LinearLayout programmatically, but only 5 and half are visible. Why is that? How to show whole contents of LinearLayout?
Jun 26 21:06:47 <explodes> So I downloaded all the L packages and wearable SDK tools and packages and things.
Jun 26 21:07:01 <Sicp> yayyyyy!
Jun 26 21:07:04 <Sicp> now to do NOTHING!
Jun 26 21:07:23 <explodes> Now my REGULAR project, using AppCompat 7 say, "Failed to parse <uses-sdk minSdkVersion="L"> must be an integer number of codename
Jun 26 21:07:44 <desmin88> yacek19: maybe your rows are too big for the screen size so your getting cut off
Jun 26 21:07:45 <Foxandxss> Afzal: seems to work, AS gives me error on the style and also all styles but the nexus show Material
Jun 26 21:07:48 <explodes> But that's the AppCompat AndroidManifest.xml that's broken
Jun 26 21:08:05 <Sicp> make it a scrollview, yacek19
Jun 26 21:08:06 <yacek19> desmin88: this layout is in scrollview
Jun 26 21:08:13 <Haz> What are the L packages, anyway?
Jun 26 21:08:21 <Sicp> then match_parent on it
Jun 26 21:08:21 <misterli> explodes, did you post on SO a few minutes ago?
Jun 26 21:08:32 <desmin88> yacek19: paste the xml
Jun 26 21:08:34 <misterli> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24440217/the-latest-sdk-tools-requires-minsdkapi-20-l-preview
Jun 26 21:08:39 <explodes> misterli: heh, no
Jun 26 21:08:51 <Afzal> Foxandxss, change the buildToolsVersion to 20.0.0
Jun 26 21:08:57 <Foxandxss> they are
Jun 26 21:08:59 <Sicp> lol @ the sad face at the end of the question to farm compassion
Jun 26 21:09:04 <explodes> It looks like my gradle doesn't specify which version of AppCompat to use, so its breaking
Jun 26 21:09:05 <misterli> anyway,  here is the solution https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24439958/using-material-theme-on-l-preview
Jun 26 21:09:18 <Foxandxss> Afzal: alright, new project, no problems
Jun 26 21:09:35 <Foxandxss> I just tried on another one who had minSdk 15 (but updated as the page said)
Jun 26 21:09:39 <yacek19> desmin88: here is my XML http://dpaste.com/2NC5PDM
Jun 26 21:10:31 <Haz> what the fuck
Jun 26 21:10:36 <Sicp> what the fuckz
Jun 26 21:10:36 <Haz> I uninstalled the old adt
Jun 26 21:10:41 <Haz> installed the new one
Jun 26 21:10:46 <Haz> and eclipse deleted itself
Jun 26 21:10:52 <desmin88> yacek19: first cleanup the xml
Jun 26 21:10:52 <Sicp> hacks
Jun 26 21:10:56 <yacek19> desmin88: aaaaah inner RelativeLayout has defined layout_height
Jun 26 21:10:58 <desmin88> your nesting relative layouts
Jun 26 21:11:11 <desmin88> and yes, you have a static height
Jun 26 21:11:19 <Foxandxss> we are going to have crazy days with this updates
Jun 26 21:11:24 <yacek19> desmin88: how should I cleanup it?
Jun 26 21:11:46 <desmin88> you dont need to nest 2 relative layouts
Jun 26 21:11:52 <desmin88> it can fit all in one
Jun 26 21:12:12 <yacek19> desmin88: at first I am hiding this inner layout
Jun 26 21:12:17 <yacek19> it is not visible
Jun 26 21:12:20 <explodes> misterli: I want to NOT use the "L" package at all
Jun 26 21:12:32 <explodes> misterli: so i specify     compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:19.1.0'
Jun 26 21:12:39 <explodes> instead of     compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+'
Jun 26 21:12:48 <explodes> and it is still breaking? Am I missing something
Jun 26 21:13:02 <Afzal> Foxandxss, use this     <style name="Theme.AppTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Material.Light.DarkActionBar">
Jun 26 21:13:11 <Afzal> in values-v21/styles.xml
Jun 26 21:13:18 <Foxandxss> Afzal: don't worry my friend, got it working
Jun 26 21:13:24 <Afzal> cool
Jun 26 21:13:26 <Foxandxss> also if you create a project directly using min-sdk as 20+
Jun 26 21:13:33 <Foxandxss> it loads it automatically
Jun 26 21:13:41 <Foxandxss> I Am looking for the new widgets now
Jun 26 21:13:46 <Foxandxss> like that card view
Jun 26 21:18:04 <bankai_au> g00s: awww lots of changes :)
Jun 26 21:18:32 <g00s> bankai_au yeah; oh this is important too http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/25/dining/how-to-make-a-great-burger.html?_r=1
Jun 26 21:18:37 <Haz> so uh
Jun 26 21:18:41 <Foxandxss> android.support.v7.widget.CardView
Jun 26 21:18:42 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 26 21:18:49 <Haz> I downloaded the new version of the adt bundle
Jun 26 21:18:52 <Haz> why does it look like shit?
Jun 26 21:18:59 <Haz> the sdk manager doesn't have an icon for it
Jun 26 21:19:08 <Haz> and all of the stuff within eclipse looks fucked up
Jun 26 21:19:36 <huygg> why is black+0.5 transparecny in code not the same as defining a color with transparency like 0x7F000000 ?
Jun 26 21:20:38 <Foxandxss> This material design is cool but will bring us more work having to provide both layouts for L and old versions
Jun 26 21:20:50 <bankai_au> g00s: slow news day ?
Jun 26 21:21:06 <g00s> yeah, i'm waiting for part II about bacon
Jun 26 21:21:33 <Foxandxss> g00s: damn, don't show that, for god sake
Jun 26 21:22:25 <TheUnknownOne> Guys someone from XDA extracted the keyboard app from the preview, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2796129, and it works w/ material design on pre-L software. I think this means backwards compatibility in the Google apps :D
Jun 26 21:22:53 <Sicp> man, the people at #programming are whack
Jun 26 21:23:36 <Sicp> we need a reputation system on IRC
Jun 26 21:23:50 <g00s> Sicp actually zed shaw kind of has one
Jun 26 21:23:53 <Sicp> g00s++
Jun 26 21:23:57 <explodes> Do you know if I can run something built with "android-L" on my android that is running 19?
Jun 26 21:23:57 <Foxandxss> heh, as g00s said earlier, every channel has its personality
Jun 26 21:23:58 <Sicp> nothing her
Jun 26 21:24:00 <Sicp> here*
Jun 26 21:24:03 <Foxandxss> I just avoid weird ones
Jun 26 21:24:16 <Sicp> #programming has people like vendu, and then a bunch of kids
Jun 26 21:24:33 <explodes> minSdk=14, targetSdk=19, buildSdk=android-L   :: Not running on my 19 Nexus-5: Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK]
Jun 26 21:24:39 <p_l> TheUnknownOne: I think it's more because the keyboard app had to implement custom theme anyway
Jun 26 21:25:32 <bankai_au> explodes: wouldn't think so, L is ART only
Jun 26 21:25:52 <TheUnknownOne> p_l: You are probably right there, but if Google can make it work, so can we then. :)
Jun 26 21:26:13 <Foxandxss> Material design should be available from api 14+ imho
Jun 26 21:26:17 <Sicp> that's the spirit!
Jun 26 21:26:23 <explodes> bankai_au: ah, my device is set to use ART, however.
Jun 26 21:26:24 <kbs> yay, romainguy talking about animations, nice.
Jun 26 21:26:30 <Sicp> now?
Jun 26 21:26:37 <kbs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WI_lCmBKE8
Jun 26 21:26:57 <Foxandxss> explodes: I used target and build as "20" instead of L
Jun 26 21:26:59 <Foxandxss> works for me
Jun 26 21:27:05 <Foxandxss> not sure if it is the best idea tho
Jun 26 21:27:18 <explodes> right right
Jun 26 21:27:43 <explodes> When I do : min=14, target=19, sdk=19, tools=19.1 its broken
Jun 26 21:27:54 <Foxandxss> I updated tools to 20
Jun 26 21:27:59 <Foxandxss> that worked
Jun 26 21:28:09 <Foxandxss> also gradle version, plugin version and stuff like that that AS does automagically
Jun 26 21:28:16 <Sicp> this guy has a huge animation example for swipe-away listview
Jun 26 21:28:24 <explodes> Foxandxss: your device is set to use ART?
Jun 26 21:28:26 <Sicp> which had several bugs and was very complicated
Jun 26 21:28:29 <Foxandxss> no
Jun 26 21:28:33 <explodes> Foxandxss: Oh
Jun 26 21:28:36 <Sicp> but meh, he must know his stuff
Jun 26 21:29:12 <kbs> "this guy" == romainguy?
Jun 26 21:29:20 <Sicp> the one who's on right now
Jun 26 21:29:36 <Sicp> not the one who just jumped in
Jun 26 21:29:40 <Foxandxss> explodes: this is tools 20, min 9, target 20, compile 20
Jun 26 21:29:41 <Sicp> with the accent
Jun 26 21:30:03 <kbs> Sicp: oh, okay. romainguy is on the left [with accent] and believe Chet Hasse on the right [older guy.]
Jun 26 21:30:11 <Sicp> yea, Chet's tutorial
Jun 26 21:30:42 <explodes> Foxandxss: I get "Failed to parse <uses-sdk minSdkVersion='L'>: must be an integer number or codename. /Users/me/src/myproject/build/intermediates/exploded-aar/com.android.support/appcompat-v7/21.0.0-rc1/AndroidManifest.xml
Jun 26 21:30:50 <explodes> Foxandxss: wait, are you using AppCompat, by change?
Jun 26 21:30:51 <explodes> chance*
Jun 26 21:30:55 <Foxandxss> yes
Jun 26 21:31:01 <Foxandxss> min on 9 :P
Jun 26 21:31:08 <explodes> Why am I getting this error, and you are not, hmmm
Jun 26 21:31:23 <Foxandxss> explodes: you're not using gradle?
Jun 26 21:31:27 <explodes> v7 and v4 21.0.0-rc1 are giving me that error
Jun 26 21:31:30 <explodes> Foxandxss: I am
Jun 26 21:31:44 <Foxandxss> I don't use v4
Jun 26 21:31:51 <Foxandxss> v7 19
Jun 26 21:32:00 <explodes> oh
Jun 26 21:32:05 <Foxandxss> you're getting an error with v7
Jun 26 21:32:07 <explodes> how do you specify that in YOUR gradle?
Jun 26 21:32:18 <Foxandxss> compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:19.+'
Jun 26 21:32:23 <explodes> Ok.
Jun 26 21:32:25 <explodes> Mine is compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+'
Jun 26 21:32:26 <Foxandxss> as it was when I Created the project
Jun 26 21:32:40 <Foxandxss> I get a red wiggle about not using a version 19 if I target 20
Jun 26 21:32:44 <Foxandxss> but meh, it works
Jun 26 21:32:54 <explodes> AH
Jun 26 21:32:55 <explodes> Ok
Jun 26 21:33:05 <Foxandxss> more if you say that the next version to use is brokish
Jun 26 21:33:10 <Foxandxss> but let me try anyway
Jun 26 21:33:37 <explodes> Foxandxss: Ok, duh, putting in the correct versions of both v4 and v7 fix the issue.
Jun 26 21:33:38 <explodes> Duh;
Jun 26 21:34:05 <Foxandxss> explodes: I get ad ifferent error though
Jun 26 21:34:13 <explodes> Foxandxss: what error?
Jun 26 21:34:21 <Foxandxss> that minSdk cannot be smaller than L to use v7:21
Jun 26 21:35:10 <explodes> weird; you're hardcoding to use 21?
Jun 26 21:35:20 <explodes> Just try: compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:+'
Jun 26 21:35:26 <Foxandxss> I can't
Jun 26 21:35:29 <Foxandxss> I get that error
Jun 26 21:35:37 <explodes> odd.
Jun 26 21:35:49 <Foxandxss> you can't expect much more on the first day of a preview
Jun 26 21:36:00 <Foxandxss> so for my normal project I just put the compile and target to 20 and forget
Jun 26 21:36:15 <Afzal> can anyone confirm that the android gradle plugin is now called com.android.application? when you call apply plugin 'android'
Jun 26 21:36:19 <Sicp> that's why I was fired? haha..
Jun 26 21:36:22 <kbs> nice, dynamic palette looks handy
Jun 26 21:36:23 <Sicp> that was awkward
Jun 26 21:36:26 <Foxandxss> Afzal: it changed yes
Jun 26 21:36:26 <g00s> Afzal yeah
Jun 26 21:36:40 <Afzal> cool
Jun 26 21:36:53 <kbs> who romainguy? no - he was mr. android, pretty much. Sad to see him leave
Jun 26 21:37:09 <Sicp> they told me here that he just changed teams
Jun 26 21:37:16 <Foxandxss> now I am wondering what I need to load to make this work: android.support.v7.widget.CardView
Jun 26 21:37:20 <p_l> lol @ fired
Jun 26 21:37:21 <g00s> kbs question is … sounds like he is a manager and not coding but, thats kinda weird
Jun 26 21:37:41 <p_l> might be layered inside joke ;)
Jun 26 21:37:44 <kbs> g00s: is that right? hm; didn't know he's now doing managing stuff
Jun 26 21:41:54 <Foxandxss> compile 'com.android.support:cardview-v7:+'
Jun 26 21:41:55 <Foxandxss> great
Jun 26 21:42:02 <explodes> Huh.
Jun 26 21:42:15 <Foxandxss> AS cries but it works on my device
Jun 26 21:42:23 <Afzal> Gaaaah!! is colour gone from logcat in AS?
Jun 26 21:42:45 <Afzal> nevermind
Jun 26 21:42:52 <Afzal> just had to change th colour scheme :D
Jun 26 21:45:16 <Foxandxss> oh, twitter dies on L, crap
Jun 26 21:49:05 <FunkyELF> man this N5 is taking a while to boot up after flashing the new L release
Jun 26 21:49:16 <Foxandxss> 5~ minutes
Jun 26 21:49:26 <FunkyELF> Foxandxss: that for me?
Jun 26 21:49:35 <Foxandxss> yes
Jun 26 21:49:40 <FunkyELF> Foxandxss: thanks... I appreciate it
Jun 26 21:49:45 <Napalm> probably only be the first time while it optimizes
Jun 26 21:49:52 <Foxandxss> true
Jun 26 21:49:53 <FunkyELF> Foxandxss: I might have hard rebooted after 4 ;-)
Jun 26 21:50:13 <Foxandxss> I just rebooted it, normal bootup
Jun 26 21:50:18 <FunkyELF> the images are device-specific... this should already be optimized :-/
Jun 26 21:50:55 <FunkyELF> I've never watched a boot animation for so long... got me to thinking about them.  I'd love to get a BSOD boot animation
Jun 26 21:51:04 <FunkyELF> I'm sure they exist
Jun 26 21:51:05 * FunkyELF googles
Jun 26 21:51:34 <FunkyELF> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677818
Jun 26 21:51:36 <FunkyELF> awesome
Jun 26 21:52:42 <gdrc> android l is booting :D
Jun 26 21:53:07 <Foxandxss> good to test but I need to go back to kitkat
Jun 26 21:53:09 <FunkyELF> gdrc: ~5min FYI
Jun 26 21:53:34 <gdrc> FunkyELF: I see lol
Jun 26 21:53:35 <FunkyELF> ... and I'm booted
Jun 26 21:53:43 <FunkyELF> gtg...
Jun 26 21:53:47 <explodes> What is this lie: "On your handheld, install the Android Wear app from Google Play."
Jun 26 21:53:54 <explodes> there is no such app
Jun 26 21:54:38 <FunkyELF> this gmail app doesn't look like it did during the keynote
Jun 26 21:54:39 <gdrc> do you really believe watches will have success?
Jun 26 21:55:00 <desmin88> nope
Jun 26 21:55:17 <zinx> HMDs i want, watches not so much
Jun 26 21:55:21 <desmin88> i have not seen a single smart watch that doesnt look gaudy as hell
Jun 26 21:55:25 <FunkyELF> HMD?
Jun 26 21:55:28 <p_l> desmin88: Moto360
Jun 26 21:55:31 <zinx> head mounted display
Jun 26 21:55:37 <zinx> or device :P
Jun 26 21:56:02 <desmin88> p_l: thats probably the best there is
Jun 26 21:56:12 <explodes> HMD is retarded
Jun 26 21:56:18 <explodes> watches will take off slowly IMO
Jun 26 21:56:24 <explodes> but they will take off.
Jun 26 21:56:35 <explodes> Maybe about just as much as tablets.
Jun 26 21:56:47 <gdrc> will you be able to upgrade AS to 0.8? if yes. how?
Jun 26 21:57:04 <gdrc> * Android L boot is finish after 4 mins
Jun 26 21:58:03 <Foxandxss> gdrc: technically automatic update is working now
Jun 26 21:59:15 <gdrc> If I search for updates (in the beta channel) it says it's updated (I'm running 0.6.1)
Jun 26 21:59:29 <Foxandxss> I am on canary always
Jun 26 21:59:30 <Foxandxss> try there
Jun 26 21:59:55 <gdrc> same.
Jun 26 22:00:13 <Foxandxss> Afzal: said he updated that way
Jun 26 22:02:59 <gdrc> I'll try tomorrow at work. Happy to see new Views. Bye
Jun 26 22:03:22 <Foxandxss> bye :)
Jun 26 22:08:38 <g00s> these designers take themselves too seriously
Jun 26 22:08:56 <desmin88> you mean the material design designerS?
Jun 26 22:09:16 <g00s> i'm watching material design: visual style and imagery
Jun 26 22:09:21 <g00s> yeah
Jun 26 22:10:05 <desmin88> gonna have to agree with u
Jun 26 22:11:15 <desmin88> its actually kinda funny
Jun 26 22:13:58 <g00s> i still don't understand why i would want to create a color palette based on an image … i did that once for a weight lifting app, took a picture of a dumbbell - got the palette from the muted metallic colors, etc. but that was done once
Jun 26 22:14:17 <g00s> do they intend the colors to always change based on dynamically changing pictures?
Jun 26 22:14:21 <g00s> thats stupid
Jun 26 22:14:39 <desmin88> thats what im getting from it
Jun 26 22:14:49 <Napalm> what?
Jun 26 22:14:55 <Napalm> its just when you first layout
Jun 26 22:15:18 <Napalm> but i suppose you could update the palette if you had a transitioning image gallery
Jun 26 22:17:03 <desmin88> "homo-jen-you-uss" cmon
Jun 26 22:17:19 <canadiancow> who said that?
Jun 26 22:17:47 <desmin88> the woman before edward
Jun 26 22:18:11 <desmin88> the pronunciation on that irked me, lol
Jun 26 22:21:14 <g00s> canadiancow purple, yellow for the next gmail !
Jun 26 22:21:32 <canadiancow> ?
Jun 26 22:21:34 <canadiancow> wat
Jun 26 22:21:37 <canadiancow> what should ibe watching
Jun 26 22:21:52 <g00s> heh, thats what they just showed in this session. yellow / purple screens
Jun 26 22:21:56 <canadiancow> what session
Jun 26 22:21:58 <canadiancow> link me
Jun 26 22:22:06 <g00s> material design: visual style and imagery
Jun 26 22:22:12 <g00s> poor edward, he read all of that
Jun 26 22:22:29 <p_l> the glass demo is golden :D
Jun 26 22:22:45 <p_l> "that was lame" <--- glass app about developer's kicking a ball
Jun 26 22:23:29 <platzhirsch> how can I define background shadow of an element? For instance TextView, in order to add a spaceous look I would like to add shadows to the background
Jun 26 22:23:33 <jamesson> does listview have to be inside another view?
Jun 26 22:23:55 <g00s> hm, i think they went too far with the shadow thing. do i need to use blender to create icons now :)
Jun 26 22:24:10 <g00s> 'technically audacious' :D
Jun 26 22:24:12 <g00s> hehe
Jun 26 22:24:55 <canadiancow> g00s, what timestamp in the stream
Jun 26 22:25:11 <g00s> oh i'm watching live
Jun 26 22:25:42 <desmin88> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-plmzhyVA
Jun 26 22:28:51 <g00s> canadiancow is the Material theme pretty much a light theme? i haven't seen any dark examples
Jun 26 22:29:04 <canadiancow> have you checked d.android.com?
Jun 26 22:29:35 <g00s> not yet, just watching the videos
Jun 26 22:30:08 <jaspertheghost> anyone can recommend a logging class besides log4j?
Jun 26 22:30:10 <Foxandxss> I haven't see any dark stuff yet
Jun 26 22:30:25 <g00s> jaspertheghost slf4j
Jun 26 22:30:45 <ajoul> HOW CAN I ACCESS FILES OF THE APPLICATION FOR DEBUGGING PURPOSES
Jun 26 22:30:47 <ajoul> I am using eclipse
Jun 26 22:31:02 <canadiancow> g00s, http://developer.android.com/preview/material/index.html says dark and light
Jun 26 22:31:18 <Foxandxss> g00s: out of curiosity, there is a Material.Light but not .Dark
Jun 26 22:31:25 <g00s> thanks canadiancow i missed that link
Jun 26 22:31:30 <Foxandxss> oh, I missed that too
Jun 26 22:31:42 <Foxandxss> seems like it is not implemented yet
Jun 26 22:32:24 <jaspertheghost> what about http://acra.ch/ ?
Jun 26 22:33:23 <g00s> cool so some svg support in L
Jun 26 22:33:55 <Estel> g00s: which talk are you watching?
Jun 26 22:33:57 <desmin88> get crashlytics
Jun 26 22:33:59 <desmin88> acra smells bad
Jun 26 22:34:12 <Estel> Oh, visual design, nm
Jun 26 22:34:16 <g00s> Estel the current material session
Jun 26 22:35:03 <Estel> tis the penultimate session of io...
Jun 26 22:37:28 <g00s> oh like
Jun 26 22:38:37 <g00s> one thing they should have , for accessibility, is a filter to increase contrast for colorblindness
Jun 26 22:38:46 <g00s> part of the palette api
Jun 26 22:40:29 <g00s> all apps need hamburgers !
Jun 26 22:40:45 <g00s> lets get that straight. better if the chuck is mixed with bacon
Jun 26 22:42:56 <g00s> didn't understand that question
Jun 26 22:43:15 <Estel> It's always amusing when people get really defensive in UX reviews
Jun 26 22:43:44 <g00s> i think he's asking if we'd have an aar file with styles reflecting the metrics of grids
Jun 26 22:43:53 <g00s> like 72dp for this, etc
Jun 26 22:44:09 <desmin88> thats a wild hairdo
Jun 26 22:44:19 <Estel> (I'm not watching that steam, sorry, at anothther thing)
Jun 26 22:45:38 <desmin88> that guy just gave the best non-answer there ever was.
Jun 26 22:46:31 <desmin88> "Will material design be back compatible through support libraries like action bar", "Well you know we were using 8dp in holo and cardview."
Jun 26 22:46:53 <g00s> hehe, that guy was funny 'based on the competition, we were getting kinda worried...'
Jun 26 22:48:15 <desmin88> i have a feeling they are beating around the bush because there will be minimal support for material design pre-androidl
Jun 26 22:48:16 <g00s> allright, looking for iosched 2014 source code … hm no dice
Jun 26 22:48:43 <Napalm> g00s: they havent released the source yet
Jun 26 22:48:52 <Napalm> g00s: but apparently the new version is Material
Jun 26 22:48:58 <Napalm> see the APK
Jun 26 22:49:11 <g00s> hm
Jun 26 22:51:33 <Foxandxss> didn't the 2013 edition get release a couple of months after IO?
Jun 26 22:52:54 <ClarkC> 2014 is interesting because they do have one spot where they have an animated checkbox.
Jun 26 22:54:43 <jamesson> how do I directly handle clicks on the icon in the actionbar, without involving the backstack or up navigation whatever?
Jun 26 22:54:50 <g00s> Foxandxss it did, but thats because it used appcompat - and that wasn't ready i guess for a long time. maybe its the same story
Jun 26 22:55:04 <Napalm> jamesson: do you mean on the top left?
Jun 26 22:55:09 <Foxandxss> maybe, new non-ready stuff this time
Jun 26 22:55:13 <jamesson> Napalm: yes
Jun 26 22:55:35 <jamesson> Napalm: so far I see making it Up and Back, but I just want a simple event handler
Jun 26 22:55:36 <Napalm> jamesson: onOptionsItemSelected compare MenuItem.getItemId() == android.R.id.home
Jun 26 22:55:52 <jamesson> Napalm: ty
Jun 26 22:56:15 <Napalm> jamesson: make sure you return true so default behavour doesnt execute
Jun 26 22:57:10 <Foxandxss> Note: The source code in this repository still reflects the app as of I/O 2013. We will updated it to the I/O 2014 code shortly.
Jun 26 22:57:23 <Foxandxss> that means a couple of days on my understanding
Jun 26 22:58:11 <ClarkC> Shortly, at least it wasn't, "In the coming weeks"
Jun 26 22:58:19 <Foxandxss> yup
Jun 26 23:00:16 <jamesson> Napalm: ty again :)
Jun 26 23:00:21 <ClarkC> I think the Gingerbread release for the Nexus One was 'in the coming weeks' for a couple months.  At least one of the releases was, too far back to remember.
Jun 26 23:00:48 <jamesson> ClarkC: yay Valve time
Jun 26 23:00:48 <Foxandxss>  iosched / android / src / main / java / com / google / android / apps / iosched /
Jun 26 23:00:52 <Foxandxss> java namespacing sucks
Jun 26 23:01:28 <ClarkC> The new Android file tree view in Android Studio will hopefully help with that. :)
Jun 26 23:01:39 <Foxandxss> new file tree? :P
Jun 26 23:01:50 <ClarkC> Check out the What's New in Android Tools video.
Jun 26 23:02:03 <Napalm> ClarkC: its just a "view"
Jun 26 23:02:11 <Napalm> the file tree is still complex
Jun 26 23:02:16 <Foxandxss> I have the beta installed but I didn't notice anything new related to the tree
Jun 26 23:02:30 <ClarkC> A filetree layout that gets rid of extra children, combines manifests into one view, combines resources with modifiers into an expandable tree with all the variants under it, etc.
Jun 26 23:02:38 <desmin88> have they finally made it so you can have sub folders in res/xxx/ w/o gradle build src trickery?
Jun 26 23:02:46 <ClarkC> Yeah, I don't mind it being complex.  But having a better view will help me navigate.
Jun 26 23:03:12 <ClarkC> It was in their 0.82 version, said it was coming to canary soon.
Jun 26 23:03:46 <Foxandxss> jamesson: companies learn about the worst part of valve
Jun 26 23:03:50 <Foxandxss> its time measure :P
Jun 26 23:03:54 <p_l> ... aaaand android wear libs are still broken
Jun 26 23:04:03 <Foxandxss> p_l: they are for me also
Jun 26 23:04:28 <p_l> Foxandxss: do you get the "can't find dependency" messages?
Jun 26 23:04:33 <Foxandxss> yeah
Jun 26 23:04:37 <Foxandxss> for the two of them
Jun 26 23:04:59 <p_l> yeah
Jun 26 23:05:26 <Foxandxss> the libraries are not in the repo yet
Jun 26 23:05:31 <Foxandxss> another valve time here
Jun 26 23:06:28 <p_l> ok, commenting out :wear build for now
Jun 26 23:07:11 <p_l> not like I could even use the resulting app :P
Jun 26 23:07:27 <Foxandxss> on an avd
Jun 26 23:09:44 <p_l> *use*, not test :P
Jun 26 23:11:29 <Yofun> May someone explain or link me to a guide on compiling apps on debian via ssh
Jun 26 23:12:22 <g00s> Napalm did you find docs for ReclerView, or were you looking through the sources ?
Jun 26 23:13:01 <Napalm> yes
Jun 26 23:13:44 <Napalm> g00s: grab the reference docs here http://developer.android.com/preview/reference.html
Jun 26 23:13:53 <Napalm> its under android.support.v7.widget
Jun 26 23:13:59 <g00s> oh dang its in preview section ok thanks
Jun 26 23:14:31 <ClarkC> There is this too. https://developer.android.com/preview/material/ui-widgets.html
Jun 26 23:14:45 <Foxandxss> I tried the cardview earlier, works fine
Jun 26 23:14:58 <Napalm> g00s: once extracted rename the "l-developer-preview-reference" directory to "reference" to get the diff to link to the reference docs correctly
Jun 26 23:15:43 <g00s> oh cool thanks
Jun 26 23:25:42 <whomp> my android studio won't import test libs for my test folder anymore, what gives?
Jun 26 23:28:44 <pfn> android 4.4W is android wear?
Jun 26 23:29:57 <p_l> pfn: yes
Jun 26 23:31:29 <g00s> p_l so is 20 split into W and L, where W (wearable) is production release, but L (phone) is preview ?
Jun 26 23:31:49 <Napalm> there is 21
Jun 26 23:32:00 <g00s> in sdk manager i only see 20
Jun 26 23:32:11 <Afzal> whoa!
Jun 26 23:32:15 <Napalm> thats preview
Jun 26 23:32:18 <Afzal> What happened to my emulator all of a sudden
Jun 26 23:32:33 <Afzal> I guess HAXM wasn't active or something
Jun 26 23:32:33 <g00s> Napalm both W and L are preview then ?
Jun 26 23:32:42 <Napalm> one would guess
Jun 26 23:32:48 <Afzal> started Atom x86 emulator after reinstalling HAXM and it is pretty fast
Jun 26 23:33:06 <g00s> dunno, it says (Api 20, L preview) and (Api 20)
Jun 26 23:33:12 <g00s> thats confusing
Jun 26 23:33:27 <g00s> oh well no matters
Jun 26 23:33:29 <desmin88> Afzal: what os are you on?
Jun 26 23:33:41 <Afzal> desmin88, Mac OS X
Jun 26 23:33:44 <desmin88> i see
Jun 26 23:33:44 <bankai_> why does L not have a name? it's making me think of deathnote :/
Jun 26 23:34:09 <desmin88> HAXM was bsod'ing me on w8.1 and even their fix didnt fix it
Jun 26 23:34:25 <wabz> it did that on macs for a while there too
Jun 26 23:34:46 <p_l> bankai_: because it's still preview, and I suspect they want to troll the press with the name
Jun 26 23:35:09 <bankai_> maybe they're waiting for another sponsorship deal, like they had with kitkat
Jun 26 23:35:48 <g00s> yeah its pretty hard to google "L"
Jun 26 23:35:59 <Afzal> I still have no idea how to open quick settings :/
Jun 26 23:36:05 <desmin88> has there been any talk at i/o about having to essentially support a holo and material version of your app?
Jun 26 23:36:28 <p_l> bankai_: they might also already have one lined up, but are waiting to get extra publicity by making everyone's prediction of "lima bean" crash'n'burn
Jun 26 23:36:47 <desmin88> why would it be lima bean?
Jun 26 23:36:55 <desmin88> android names have always been desserts
Jun 26 23:36:57 <bankai_> lollypop is the one i've heard most
Jun 26 23:37:01 <g00s> lima beans, collard greens, peachy keen, veggietales.
Jun 26 23:37:02 <p_l> desmin88: that's the crappy prediction going around the net
Jun 26 23:37:05 <Afzal> Man they copied MS so much with the lock screen :/
Jun 26 23:37:13 <Afzal> should've at least kept the circle anim
Jun 26 23:37:23 <Afzal> just moved it further down or something
Jun 26 23:37:31 <p_l> (also, seriously, check out what sweets in google mountainview kitchenettes start with "L", have your possible options)
Jun 26 23:37:31 <bankai_> Afzal: 'quick settings' -- you mean the two finger 'pull down' curtain thingy ?
Jun 26 23:37:40 <Afzal> bankai_, yeah but in L
Jun 26 23:37:51 <bankai_> it's not the same? i haven't fired up the emulator yet
Jun 26 23:38:15 <Afzal> almost wiped my userdata without backing up the internal storage
Jun 26 23:38:20 <Afzal> phew
Jun 26 23:39:33 <g00s> i couldn't get my n7 2013 to make it through all the i/o videos on 100% charge
Jun 26 23:39:39 <g00s> for each day
Jun 26 23:39:56 <g00s> probably a lot to ask
Jun 26 23:40:26 <Afzal> oh dear god, the negative button is on the right side if there's no positive button in the dialog >_<
Jun 26 23:40:35 <Afzal> come on google >_<
Jun 26 23:40:56 <g00s> i wonder if i clobbered the battery on it already; i wish all these devices had some setting for 'plugged in, keep battery in preservation state 40% or something)
Jun 26 23:41:14 <Afzal> what is NuPlayer and what is AwesomePlayer?
Jun 26 23:41:16 <Afzal> o.O
Jun 26 23:45:17 <Foxandxss> bankai_: I have the same thought (deathnote)
Jun 26 23:45:25 <bankai_> ;)
Jun 26 23:46:06 <Foxandxss> what's the difference between arm and x86 emulators? aren't the mobiles arm?
Jun 26 23:46:28 <g00s> there is an x86 phone ...
Jun 26 23:46:40 <Foxandxss> oh, I wasn't aware
Jun 26 23:47:05 <Foxandxss> so what's the deal with the x86 emu?
Jun 26 23:47:24 <Afzal> Foxandxss, runs pretty fast on my Mac after reinstalling HAXM
Jun 26 23:47:33 <Foxandxss> I am trying after what you said
Jun 26 23:47:34 <g00s> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/136349-motorola-unveils-its-first-intel-smartphone-but-the-usa-isnt-invited-to-the-x86-party
Jun 26 23:47:47 <g00s> that was 2012 O.o
Jun 26 23:47:51 <pfn> haxm + x86 image is good stuff
Jun 26 23:47:53 <g00s> not sure whats going on lately :)
Jun 26 23:47:57 <Napalm> Foxandxss: you dont want to really emulate ARM on x86 as it would be really slow as each instruction the CPU executes would have to be converted
Jun 26 23:47:58 <Foxandxss> well, I installed something about HAXM on the sdk, not sure if that is enough
Jun 26 23:48:11 <pfn> Foxandxss, you need to run the installer after getting it from sdk manager
Jun 26 23:48:16 <g00s> should add GPU acceleration too
Jun 26 23:48:17 <Foxandxss> Napalm: that is true
Jun 26 23:48:23 <Foxandxss> pfn: that makes sense, where can I find it?
Jun 26 23:48:29 <pfn> in the sdk folder
Jun 26 23:49:09 <Foxandxss> found it
Jun 26 23:54:00 <Foxandxss> it still gets a day or so to boot up :P
Jun 26 23:54:15 <g00s> very first time takes a little
Jun 26 23:54:20 <g00s> geny takes about 10 seconds
Jun 26 23:54:48 <p_l> ehh, how lovely. The all-bundled version of android-studio can't sync gradle project, calling gradle from commandline works...
Jun 26 23:55:15 <g00s> p_l mine worked ok O.o
Jun 26 23:55:30 <Foxandxss> mine too
Jun 26 23:55:54 <FunkyELF> this L release is way un-polished.  I know they never claimed it to be ready but this is way experimental
Jun 26 23:56:05 <g00s> i think p_l has a tendency to tinker /  mess around with stuff too much :P
Jun 26 23:56:08 <Foxandxss> developer preview day 1 FunkyELF
Jun 26 23:56:08 <p_l> FunkyELF: because it's not even a release
Jun 26 23:56:10 <Foxandxss> you can't ask too much
Jun 26 23:56:11 <FunkyELF> using the swipe on the Google keyboard in Hangouts
Jun 26 23:56:31 <Foxandxss> my mac is swapping hard but the emu works good
Jun 26 23:57:02 <FunkyELF> yeah... I know.  But with that said you install it and see what it is.... could have been 10/10, could have been 1/10 and not even make phone calls.  Just commenting... not trolling
Jun 26 23:57:16 <p_l> g00s: well, I got it... semi-working
Jun 26 23:57:37 <g00s> p_l there is a place in preferences for putting the gradle home dir in there
Jun 26 23:57:52 <p_l> apparently the gradle called by android studio didn't like the unknown "wear" subproject (because I removed wear from build list...)
Jun 26 23:58:05 <Napalm> flashing L Preview to my Nexus 5.. wish me luck
Jun 26 23:58:11 <p_l> ... which somehow made gradle report that its module cache is broken :>
Jun 26 23:58:16 * g00s wishes Napalm luck
Jun 26 23:58:24 * g00s waves goodbye to Napalm 
Jun 26 23:58:26 <Foxandxss> Napalm: good luck mate
Jun 26 23:58:27 <Napalm> lol
Jun 26 23:58:34 <Foxandxss> but I need to rollback to kitkat soon
Jun 26 23:59:05 <Napalm> Foxandxss: that bad?
Jun 26 23:59:16 <Foxandxss> twitter app gets a FC upon opening
Jun 26 23:59:23 <Napalm> meh, dont use twitter
Jun 26 23:59:24 <Foxandxss> and I use my tablet for that
Jun 26 23:59:29 <Foxandxss> on that moments
Jun 26 23:59:35 <Napalm> its probably because L uses ART not DVM
Jun 26 23:59:43 <Foxandxss> probably
Jun 26 23:59:51 <Foxandxss> I guess twitter is gonna update it anytime soon anyway
Jun 26 23:59:55 <Foxandxss> so that is why I still hold
Jun 27 00:00:02 <g00s> i'm pretty sure the goal of  the preview, is to help you develop your app - not for general consumption even for bleeding edge
Jun 27 00:00:11 <g00s> and to give them feedback
Jun 27 00:00:17 <Napalm> i know, but i want to get my hands on it
Jun 27 00:00:23 <Foxandxss> I feel so good on the bleeding edge...
Jun 27 00:00:29 <g00s> oh was just mentioning to Foxandxss
Jun 27 00:00:41 <g00s> Foxandxss so much blood though
Jun 27 00:00:48 * Napalm giggles
Jun 27 00:00:54 <Foxandxss> I remember my old days on gentoo, trying to get the latest unstable versions
Jun 27 00:01:05 * Napalm is excited
Jun 27 00:02:03 <Foxandxss> g00s: agree though, both AS, the sdk and the image themselves are pretty bloody as today
Jun 27 00:02:58 <pfn> wow, support-v4 21.0.0-rc1 is an aar?
Jun 27 00:02:59 <pfn> neat
Jun 27 00:03:06 <pfn> 20.0 even
Jun 27 00:03:08 <Foxandxss> already?
Jun 27 00:03:09 <Foxandxss> good
Jun 27 00:03:10 * Napalm watches boot animation with anticipation
Jun 27 00:03:21 <Foxandxss> Napalm: watch watch, you have like 5 minutes of watching
Jun 27 00:03:28 <Napalm> pfn: same for v20 and for the v7 recycleview and cardview libs
Jun 27 00:03:34 <Foxandxss> pfn: what about v7?
Jun 27 00:03:37 <pfn> Napalm, well, UI libs are always the case
Jun 27 00:03:43 <pfn> appcompat has always been an aar
Jun 27 00:03:45 <Napalm> pfn: they dont need to be
Jun 27 00:03:50 <Foxandxss> I played with cardview earlier, I just had to guess the aar package
Jun 27 00:03:52 <pfn> appcompat must be
Jun 27 00:03:54 <Hulio> hi guys
Jun 27 00:03:56 <Napalm> the recycleview and cardview have no resources
Jun 27 00:04:05 <pfn> that's odd
Jun 27 00:04:15 <Napalm> yea
Jun 27 00:04:17 <pfn> but I guess newest support-v4 has aidl
Jun 27 00:04:21 <Hulio> I'm new to Android dev...question, what is the best way to access SQL server data?
Jun 27 00:04:25 <Foxandxss> I was able to use it and try on real deal but AS wouldn't find it
Jun 27 00:04:32 <Hulio> using webservice or JODBC ?
Jun 27 00:04:41 <g00s> Hulio webservice
Jun 27 00:04:49 <pfn> Napalm, cardview has res/values/values.xml
Jun 27 00:05:02 <Napalm> oh, well recycleview doesnt
Jun 27 00:05:03 <Hulio> g00s, reason? at least one?
Jun 27 00:05:23 <pfn> Napalm, well, that's fucked up
Jun 27 00:05:25 <Hulio> more secure?
Jun 27 00:05:30 <pfn> recyclerview shouldn't be an aar
Jun 27 00:05:56 <Napalm> its probably just for compile speed, they probably optimized aar routes
Jun 27 00:06:01 <g00s> Hulio well, good luck getting jodbc working
Jun 27 00:06:59 <Foxandxss> pfn: pardon my ignorance on android, but: compile 'com.android.support:cardview-v7:+'
Jun 27 00:07:03 <Foxandxss> that is not an aar?
Jun 27 00:07:23 <Hulio> g00s, i guess SOAP then right?
Jun 27 00:07:31 <platzhirsch> textView.setText(blah.getMyInt())
Jun 27 00:07:35 <Foxandxss> SOAP does that still exist?
Jun 27 00:07:39 <platzhirsch> my most favorite error code so far
Jun 27 00:07:43 <g00s> Hulio well, then you'll have to find a soap library for android. better rest
Jun 27 00:07:46 <platzhirsch> I always run into this, silly silly silly
Jun 27 00:08:04 <Hulio> g00s, so is that a yes to use soap?
Jun 27 00:08:07 <Foxandxss> g00s: is there any good REST library?
Jun 27 00:08:16 <g00s> Foxandxss jake has retrofit
Jun 27 00:08:31 <pfn> Foxandxss, the dependency string has no indication of whether it is an aar
Jun 27 00:08:40 <g00s> Hulio not really; use REST
Jun 27 00:08:49 <Hulio> what is REST?
Jun 27 00:08:56 <Hulio> can u direct me a good link about it?
Jun 27 00:08:58 <Foxandxss> pfn: I see, I thought that "compile" was to load aar. I need to research more then :)
Jun 27 00:09:11 <pfn> compile means it's a compile dependency...
Jun 27 00:09:50 <jonc> anyone know a decent free prototyping service / program?
Jun 27 00:09:55 <Foxandxss> JakeWharton: love you man, you have everything already done. I understand why mark murphy names you on every chapter of his book :)
Jun 27 00:10:27 <Foxandxss> g00s: that is really nice
Jun 27 00:10:42 <Foxandxss> I want to try some token auth with android and some random backend to see what I get
Jun 27 00:11:06 <g00s> 'random backend' … sounds dangerous !
Jun 27 00:11:20 <Foxandxss> hah, random backend of my own I mean
Jun 27 00:11:29 <Foxandxss> some rails + jwt or node
Jun 27 00:12:08 <g00s> i think they should move the support repositories out of sdk manager
Jun 27 00:12:39 <g00s> why can't they just host a maven repo on their own server
Jun 27 00:13:04 <jonc> the auth for my current app is all based on a cookie that gets created. All handlers that require auth inherit a baseauthhandler which will return an unauthoried if the cookie is expired or wasn't sent
Jun 27 00:13:19 <g00s> so rev 6 gives 20.0.0 and 21.0.0-rc1 ?
Jun 27 00:13:23 <g00s> or what
Jun 27 00:13:32 <Foxandxss> jonc: I heard that cookies are troublesome on mobile
Jun 27 00:13:41 <Foxandxss> g00s: something like that it seems
Jun 27 00:13:56 <Foxandxss> but 21 is giving issues for non L stuff
Jun 27 00:14:00 <jonc> I haven't had an issue with it on android
Jun 27 00:14:16 <jonc> I'm using Retrofit and at the start of the app you just have to state you want cookies
Jun 27 00:14:24 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 27 00:14:33 <Foxandxss> I believe in JWT, they are cool and stateless
Jun 27 00:14:46 <g00s> 20.0.0 isn't even listed in http://developer.android.com/tools/support-library/index.html#revisions
Jun 27 00:14:48 <p_l> eh, fuck it. Deleting wearable module for now
Jun 27 00:15:07 <Foxandxss> g00s: those pages needs an update yet
Jun 27 00:15:18 <Foxandxss> http://tools.android.com/recent
Jun 27 00:15:20 <g00s> they need to get off their asses
Jun 27 00:15:22 <Foxandxss> this one is not even showing 0.8 yet
Jun 27 00:15:36 <jonc> http://pastebin.com/E1d4EiM0
Jun 27 00:16:06 <g00s> http://tools.android.com/recent should show 0.8.0, etc
Jun 27 00:16:06 <jonc> that makes it so that the app will accept cookies only from my server
Jun 27 00:16:15 <g00s> gradle plugin 0.12.0 still has not release notes
Jun 27 00:16:24 <jonc> it's at the top of my main activity
Jun 27 00:16:31 <Foxandxss> jonc: I see. static {} is that an static block?
Jun 27 00:16:43 * Foxandxss needs to learn Java it seems
Jun 27 00:17:41 * g00s wishes Foxandxss good luck
Jun 27 00:17:55 <Foxandxss> g00s: send me flowers, maybe I die :P
Jun 27 00:18:02 <Foxandxss> what's the support of java in android? Java 7?
Jun 27 00:18:10 <g00s> java 7 - ISH
Jun 27 00:18:24 <g00s> like java 7, but no nio.2 sun.misc.unsafe, etc
Jun 27 00:18:26 <pfn> ugh, they moved the location of zipalign
Jun 27 00:18:28 <pfn> how damn annoying
Jun 27 00:18:29 <Foxandxss> and there was a java 8 IIRC
Jun 27 00:18:49 * p_l enjoys fighting gradle into submission...
Jun 27 00:18:51 <g00s> yeah, our hopes for that were squashed
Jun 27 00:19:04 <pfn> new android platform tools breaks my sbt plugin
Jun 27 00:19:04 <Foxandxss> I think that the last Java I learnt was Java 5
Jun 27 00:19:09 <pfn> I guess I'll fix it tomorrow
Jun 27 00:19:13 <g00s> i haven't had to do jackshit with gradle in at least 6 mos
Jun 27 00:19:14 <pfn> Foxandxss, no new features since 5, really
Jun 27 00:19:17 <pfn> 7 is minor
Jun 27 00:19:20 <pfn> 8 is where fun stuff is
Jun 27 00:19:28 <pfn> but even then, 8 is only halfway to getting something useful
Jun 27 00:19:34 <Foxandxss> I see
Jun 27 00:19:58 <Foxandxss> still, I didn't work with java generics so those AsyncTask<Void, ?, ?> where unknown
Jun 27 00:20:07 <g00s> Foxandxss a lot of the improvements in java versions also happen in the jvm, like instrumentation and management
Jun 27 00:20:17 <p_l> g00s: I'm trying to get it to work on both android studio and cli
Jun 27 00:20:20 <p_l> cli works :>
Jun 27 00:20:26 <Foxandxss> I don't really like Java but JVM is completely awesome
Jun 27 00:20:40 <g00s> p_l yeah, i start off with CLI and import into AS
Jun 27 00:20:53 <g00s> it has to build on CLI before i bother importing
Jun 27 00:21:09 <p_l> ... how the frack is it getting a *fresh* file corrupted
Jun 27 00:21:14 <g00s> probably the right way is to use gradle wrapper thingy
Jun 27 00:21:14 <whomp> > my android studio won't import test libs for my test folder anymore, any ideas where the problem could be?
Jun 27 00:21:36 <g00s> whomp they renames the src/ test folders a while back ...
Jun 27 00:21:47 <g00s> mayebe now they finally deprecated
Jun 27 00:21:56 <Ram_> there are many APIs in android SDK. Is there some pointers to know/remember them or kowing what to use for what ?
Jun 27 00:22:13 <Foxandxss> oh, so java 6 support since tools 19, good
Jun 27 00:22:30 <g00s> whomp is it src/androidTest
Jun 27 00:23:05 <whomp> g00s, src/test
Jun 27 00:23:09 <Foxandxss> is androidTest a place for a built-in test library?
Jun 27 00:23:15 <whomp> and now i'm getting noclassdeffound errors
Jun 27 00:23:18 <g00s> whomp umm
Jun 27 00:23:26 <whomp> there must be some shared root cause of all this
Jun 27 00:23:31 <g00s> yeah that changed a while back :)
Jun 27 00:24:15 <g00s> Ram_ thats pretty general. i guess look at the programming guides first
Jun 27 00:25:35 <Foxandxss> Ram_: commonsware.com book explain most of those libraries
Jun 27 00:25:45 <Foxandxss> so at least you can see what they do
Jun 27 00:25:54 <Foxandxss> and learn it properly when you need them
Jun 27 00:32:26 <lasserix> Anyone know any tricks when doing restful put with large amounts of json objects (they are already being sent as a batch)
Jun 27 00:33:07 <lasserix> in terms of string garbage
Jun 27 00:34:41 <jonc> lasserix gzip?
Jun 27 00:36:02 <ajoul> I NEED HELP PLEASE
Jun 27 00:36:05 <kbs> Is there an additional internal representation of these json objects as java objects?
Jun 27 00:37:17 <lasserix> jonc: umm, problem: i iterate over a sqlite table with some 4000 records. each record has 4 fields, all must be converted to string to be a json object, and then put into a json array. this creates lots of gabarge
Jun 27 00:37:52 <kbs> just stream it out, is what I might do
Jun 27 00:38:04 <kbs> no reason to convert to org.json.JSONObject
Jun 27 00:38:22 <jonc> create the json string by hand as you read from the database using a stringbuilder?
Jun 27 00:38:39 <kbs> no - just dump it to the inputstream directly
Jun 27 00:38:49 <jonc> nevermind, will still have lots of garbage
Jun 27 00:38:53 <kbs> if you build a string, you're probably back to square one
Jun 27 00:39:07 <jonc> kbs, it seems lasserix is worried about all of the strings coming from the DB
Jun 27 00:39:27 <jonc> which no matter how you stream it, you will have still generated all of those strings
Jun 27 00:39:34 <kbs> well, screwed there :) but can avoid generating additional stuff because of json objects
Jun 27 00:39:56 <lasserix> ultimatly i was just going to bypass java memory use NIO then dump that into the restful put
Jun 27 00:40:09 <lasserix> but was hoping i could do something in the meantime
Jun 27 00:40:28 <jonc> have you profiled it and you are actually running into a problem?
Jun 27 00:40:28 <kbs> don't like the just write to the outputstream idea? :)
Jun 27 00:40:52 <lasserix> kbs--> yeah that's what i meant more or less
Jun 27 00:40:57 <jonc> I'm pulling 5k + records out of a sqlite database and turning them into json (happens on a seperate thread) in an app we are working on and I have no problems
Jun 27 00:40:59 <lasserix> i could but then i have to rework the entire thing
Jun 27 00:41:26 <lasserix> there are no problems per say, but it takes about 8 seconds to pull the records, and then about 40 to convert them to json array and put them
Jun 27 00:41:35 <jonc> I get over 7k values from a biometric sensor per minute
Jun 27 00:41:57 <jonc> and I send them in batches of 5k to the server
Jun 27 00:42:19 <jonc> how large is the table? and are you running any joins?
Jun 27 00:42:29 <jonc> and are the columns you are querying on indexed?
Jun 27 00:42:30 <lasserix> can't run joins its a content provider
Jun 27 00:42:37 <lasserix> no control, presume they are
Jun 27 00:42:45 <lasserix> the retrieval is optimized already
Jun 27 00:42:49 <lasserix> it's the conversion to put
Jun 27 00:42:52 <kbs> 30 seconds to create json array seems excessive - think jonc has the best suggestion about ensuring where the problem is with a profiler
Jun 27 00:43:13 <lasserix> i have an arraylist of json objects, i put them into a json array, that's all
Jun 27 00:43:20 <jonc> 8 seconds to convert 4k records with even gson doesn't seem right
Jun 27 00:43:46 <jonc> lasserix, why not build an Arraylist with the string values inside then just use gson or jackson?
Jun 27 00:44:07 <lasserix> umm my model for the records just extends json
Jun 27 00:44:13 <lasserix> then i put them directly from the cursor,
Jun 27 00:44:38 <lasserix> looks like the only thing i can do really is just build the array in the stringbuilder
Jun 27 00:44:58 <lasserix> jonc: yeah essentially i am doing that
Jun 27 00:45:09 * kbs is admittedly still perplexed, probably missing something :)
Jun 27 00:45:17 <jonc> 4k records even for string manipulation 8 seconds doesn't seem right
Jun 27 00:45:29 <lasserix> its cause i have to do two tables
Jun 27 00:45:38 <jonc> 4k in each?
Jun 27 00:45:40 <lasserix> the first table has 4k records the second table has 40k records
Jun 27 00:45:48 <jonc> the 40k is what is killing you
Jun 27 00:45:51 <lasserix> yeah i know
Jun 27 00:45:56 <jonc> even pulling out 40k records is going to take a bit
Jun 27 00:45:57 <lasserix> that can't be optimized anymore
Jun 27 00:46:06 <jonc> batch them into smaller amounts
Jun 27 00:46:07 <lasserix> right, it also overflows the cursor window :)
Jun 27 00:46:18 <lasserix> 8 seconds is okay, that'
Jun 27 00:46:23 <lasserix> s not the bottleneck here
Jun 27 00:46:50 <lasserix> after i'm doing with the cursor, it's the putting those json objects into a json array that's taking 40 seconds
Jun 27 00:46:54 <jonc> I get 7k reconds a minute, but I only send 5k at a time, once I get a 200 OK back from the server, I delete the 5k records I just sent, then select the next max 5k
Jun 27 00:47:02 <jonc> and keep going until the table is empty
Jun 27 00:47:27 <lasserix> hmm that would be a good approach too
Jun 27 00:48:16 <lasserix> thanks
Jun 27 00:50:41 <gormandy> im stuck on the google logo after installing android L, I’ve run the flash-all script twice, both times it’s stuck at the google logo for over 20 minutes
Jun 27 00:50:46 <gormandy> any suggestions?
Jun 27 00:51:00 <Foxandxss> 20? it took 5 for most of us
Jun 27 00:51:12 <lasserix> gormandy: #android-root
Jun 27 00:51:50 <gormandy> lasserix: I wasn’t rooted ?
Jun 27 00:52:16 <gormandy> Foxandxss: yeah, it seems odd that its stuck
Jun 27 00:53:08 <lasserix> oh
Jun 27 00:53:09 <lasserix> sorry
Jun 27 00:53:56 <lasserix> is there a play store sub for adt?
Jun 27 01:08:14 <basketballl> how do i decompile a apk in linux
Jun 27 01:09:56 <bankai_> what for ?
Jun 27 01:10:18 <desmin88> ive used dex2jar
Jun 27 01:10:26 <desmin88> but that wont give you resources
Jun 27 01:11:15 <desmin88> itll give you arsc
Jun 27 01:11:28 <liquidmetal> I have an android project inside eclipse - but the project files have hard-coded paths to the android libraries. Is there a way to somehow make this user dependent (instead of hard-coded in the project settings file)?
Jun 27 01:11:45 <desmin88> use android studio
Jun 27 01:11:52 <lasserix> basketballl: you can also use apktool
Jun 27 01:12:23 <liquidmetal> desmin88, can't do that..
Jun 27 01:12:31 <desmin88> why not
Jun 27 01:12:48 <desmin88> lasserix, apktool gives you smali though right?
Jun 27 01:12:55 <lasserix> no dont think so
Jun 27 01:13:43 <lasserix> no it doesn't
Jun 27 01:13:51 <lasserix> or maybe it can but when i used it it did not
Jun 27 01:14:24 <lasserix> oh wait, you're right--just found my directory, yeah i guess it does
Jun 27 01:15:12 <desmin88> yeah apktool gives you resources
Jun 27 01:15:20 <desmin88> dex2jar gives you actual java not smali
Jun 27 01:16:28 <liquidmetal> desmin88, the entire already exists in eclipse. I just want to be able to build the project from command line
Jun 27 01:17:24 <liquidmetal> android studio is good - I'll probably use it for future projects
Jun 27 01:18:11 <basketballl> all i need to do is change the version of android and recompile it
Jun 27 01:34:44 <jonc> will gson throw an exception if I do gson.toJson(null)?
Jun 27 01:34:59 <jonc> I can't remeber how it handles it
Jun 27 01:35:09 <jonc> or would it respond with "{}"?
Jun 27 01:35:27 <desmin88> browse the source
Jun 27 01:35:29 <desmin88> https://code.google.com/p/google-gson/source/browse/
Jun 27 01:36:57 <desmin88> looks like it wont throw an exception
Jun 27 01:37:09 <desmin88> https://code.google.com/p/google-gson/source/browse/trunk/gson/src/main/java/com/google/gson/Gson.java#520
Jun 27 01:41:25 <jonc> yeah
Jun 27 01:41:33 <jonc> it creates a JsonNull object, which has no members
Jun 27 01:41:50 <jonc> so nothing to serialize
Jun 27 01:46:20 <jamesson> which layouts is weight valid in?
Jun 27 01:47:21 <desmin88> linearlayout
Jun 27 01:52:21 <jamesson> desmin88: The 0dp height and declared weight value routine seems not to be happy for some reason. Eclipse says it will make the layout invisible, but I've seen it in many examples online and I could have sworn I built it once already. Am I doing something wrong,?
Jun 27 01:52:44 <desmin88> eclipse is probably just dumb
Jun 27 01:52:48 <desmin88> use android studio
Jun 27 01:52:59 <jamesson> desmin88: yea not at project midpoint :/
Jun 27 01:53:22 <desmin88> theres an auto import i believe
Jun 27 01:53:38 <jamesson> desmin88: sorry? import what now?
Jun 27 01:53:56 <desmin88> import the eclipse project
Jun 27 01:54:23 <Afzal> oh dear god, this L is SWEET
Jun 27 01:54:33 <Afzal> I can't stop playing with the notifications
Jun 27 01:55:53 <jamesson> desmin88: o u mean into studio? That means learning studio, I am faraid thee is no time budgeted for that :)
Jun 27 01:57:15 <canvs2321>  jamesson: have you posted any code?
Jun 27 01:57:34 <jamesson> canvs2321: no, nobody asked to see it. Would you like me to?
Jun 27 01:58:40 <desmin88> howd u figure we can help w/o it?
Jun 27 01:59:38 <jamesson> desmin88: I felt it is more polite to wait till somebody offers to look at it, sorry if I was mistaken.
Jun 27 02:00:06 <jamesson> desmin88: http://pastebin.com/XvZ3hpTf
Jun 27 02:01:04 <desmin88> you need a weightsum
Jun 27 02:01:06 <desmin88> in the parentview
Jun 27 02:01:21 <jamesson> desmin88: ah so
Jun 27 02:02:34 <Afzal> wait, how are we supposed to clear all notifications now?
Jun 27 02:02:46 <Afzal> I tried blowing into the mic :/
Jun 27 02:02:56 <desmin88> so weightsum of 3 the parent view means the listview takes up 2/3 of the linearlayout
Jun 27 02:07:11 <jamesson> desmin88: yea I was missing orientation also too ty
Jun 27 02:07:55 <basketballl> how can i change target android in a apk
Jun 27 02:17:07 <desmin88> basketballl: explain further
Jun 27 02:19:01 <basketballl> desmin88,  i made a app with mit app inventor and downloaded the apk.  How can i change the target android version to 4.4.4
Jun 27 02:19:24 <desmin88> why do you want to do that
Jun 27 02:20:28 <basketballl> mit app inventor has the target android to a old version of android and the buttons in app look older than they would if i recompiled with new target android
Jun 27 02:21:39 <desmin88> why cant you just use the app inventor or whatever to changge the android target version
Jun 27 02:22:14 <basketballl> desmin88,  because i dont think you can do that
Jun 27 02:22:26 <jaspertheghost> is there a way to catch cache loading errors in a webview .. sometimes i get just a whitescreen under the right cirumstances
Jun 27 02:23:14 <desmin88> basketballl: if you cant change target sdk with the 'app inventor' theres no way youll do it from an apk.
Jun 27 02:26:56 <Afzal> But seriously, how does one clear all notifications in Android L?
Jun 27 02:27:00 <canadiancow> does anyone else use eclipse with ADT?
Jun 27 02:27:53 <desmin88> no we all use android studio or intellij with android plugin
Jun 27 02:28:07 <canadiancow> :(
Jun 27 02:28:41 <_Nicco_> I'm currently installing android studio.  How does it compare to eclipse?
Jun 27 02:28:48 <desmin88> miles above
Jun 27 02:29:01 <_Nicco_> Even though it's still in beta?
Jun 27 02:29:11 <canadiancow> im tempted to switch
Jun 27 02:29:15 <desmin88> yes even though
Jun 27 02:29:45 <_Nicco_> Hey what screen recorder do you guys use?  Something free is always good
Jun 27 02:31:12 <basketballl> desmin88,  so how do i do it
Jun 27 02:31:33 <TheUnknownOne> _Nicco_: I use gtk-recordmydesktop, but that's linux only I believe
Jun 27 02:31:42 <desmin88> youll have to decompile the apk and change it to target 4.4.4.
Jun 27 02:32:35 <_Nicco_> TheUnknownOne: I'm currently on windows.  But I am dual booting with a linux distro. What's your distro? I don't feel like I'm ready for Arch which is what I've got
Jun 27 02:32:50 <ajoul> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jun 27 02:33:05 <ajoul> can someone help me
Jun 27 02:33:09 <ajoul> I have been here for 6 hours
Jun 27 02:33:20 <ajoul> its not like I am asking something extra hard
Jun 27 02:33:24 <desmin88> i forgot just how terrible #android-dev was
Jun 27 02:33:47 <TheUnknownOne> _Nicco_: I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS for Android development. The only issue I've encountered was resolved by installing the 32 bit libraries
Jun 27 02:34:08 <bankai_> ajoul: what's your question ?
Jun 27 02:34:47 <jamesson> anyone else see a problem with the way he instantiates SimpleAdapter? http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2013/06/android-listview-tutorial-and-basic-example.html
Jun 27 02:34:48 <ajoul> bankai_: I have a main activity that is launched by default every time the application is executed
Jun 27 02:35:15 <ajoul> bankai_: I try to check if this is the first time the user is running the app or if the settings file exists in their device
Jun 27 02:35:24 <ajoul> if it doesn't I want to transfer control to another activity/view
Jun 27 02:35:34 <ajoul> so that they make settings/adjustments
Jun 27 02:35:48 <ajoul> how can I do that and regain control at the same point in the Main Activity?
Jun 27 02:35:59 <ajoul> Intent nextScreen = new Intent(getApplicationContext(), 					SettingsActivity.class); 			startActivity(nextScreen);
Jun 27 02:36:18 <ajoul> I suppose this will work, but it will not regain control at the same point
Jun 27 02:36:19 <ajoul> right?
Jun 27 02:36:27 <ajoul> or is there a better way?
Jun 27 02:36:33 <bankai_> what do you mean regain control
Jun 27 02:37:10 <ajoul> bankai_: ok so once the settings page is filled in, I want to return to the main activity and continue from exactly the same point it left
Jun 27 02:37:23 <desmin88> finish()
Jun 27 02:37:29 <bankai_> ^
Jun 27 02:37:38 <desmin88> your question was easily gooogleable
Jun 27 02:38:07 <ajoul> I don't know how to phrase it
Jun 27 02:38:13 <ajoul> was the problem
Jun 27 02:38:28 <ajoul> so can you perhaps give me some sentences I can search for to find more about it?
Jun 27 02:39:12 <bankai_> android activity go back to previous
Jun 27 02:39:42 <g00s> "Hyundai’s 2015 Genesis will automatically brake for speed cameras" holy crap :|
Jun 27 02:40:09 <bankai_> can you imagine that on the highway? hahaha
Jun 27 02:40:17 <desmin88> good thing im not going to buy a hyundai 2015 genesis
Jun 27 02:40:22 <bankai_> i know what i'm like when i hit my rev limiter and that's not a nice feeling
Jun 27 02:40:28 <ajoul> bankai_: is it ok if I move from one activity on another on the onCreate function?
Jun 27 02:40:29 <desmin88> what a stupid idea
Jun 27 02:40:33 <ajoul> or this can cause problems
Jun 27 02:40:38 <ajoul> or is it a better way to do it
Jun 27 02:41:25 <desmin88> why would you go straight to settings from your main activity
Jun 27 02:42:18 <ajoul> desmin88: because I am trying to see if the user already has the app settings done.
Jun 27 02:42:27 <ajoul> settings is required before main activity can run
Jun 27 02:42:28 <desmin88> what app are you making
Jun 27 02:42:43 <ajoul> desmin88: social network-website app
Jun 27 02:42:55 <ajoul> user needs to register before they can use the main features
Jun 27 02:43:14 <desmin88> so its not settings but instead a registration
Jun 27 02:43:21 <ajoul> yeah thats right
Jun 27 02:43:30 <ajoul> but they can also access the same page through settings
Jun 27 02:43:41 <ajoul> but they must have some initial values first
Jun 27 02:43:51 <desmin88> so instead have one activity
Jun 27 02:43:59 <desmin88> and page views depending if theyve registered or not
Jun 27 02:44:07 <ajoul> yeah thats what I do, I have one activity for settings/registration
Jun 27 02:44:13 <ajoul> but the problem is
Jun 27 02:44:26 <ajoul> should I call it directly from main activity from the onCreate function
Jun 27 02:44:35 <desmin88> no i mean
Jun 27 02:44:39 <desmin88> you can have one activity
Jun 27 02:44:41 <ajoul> or is there a better way, like a pre-check once the app runs to see in which activity I should go first
Jun 27 02:44:56 <desmin88> you can have one activity and page the views of the settings/registration and your main content
Jun 27 02:44:57 <ajoul> desmin88: you mean put my settings activity in the main activity?
Jun 27 02:45:09 <ajoul> desmin88: that will be a huge mess to maintain and debug
Jun 27 02:45:19 <desmin88> uhh
Jun 27 02:45:20 <desmin88> no it wont
Jun 27 02:45:29 <g00s> is RecyclerView in 20.0.0 or 21.0.0-rc1 ?
Jun 27 02:46:08 <ajoul> desmin88: anyways is what I am asking possible? is there a way to check some pre-conditions and decide which activity to launch first?
Jun 27 02:46:29 <desmin88> yes by having one activity which checks your preconditions then showing the correct view
Jun 27 02:46:57 <desmin88> and that /doesnt/ mean have one activity which launches two other activities
Jun 27 02:47:13 <desmin88> it means having one with shows the correct view based on your conditions
Jun 27 02:47:41 <ajoul> desmin88: so you mean like settings different views?
Jun 27 02:48:11 <desmin88> you can have one view built for your main content, one view for your settings/registration, then you can page between them
Jun 27 02:48:20 <ajoul> desmin88: if that is the case, then how can I navigate between views
Jun 27 02:48:33 <desmin88> ?
Jun 27 02:48:54 <ajoul> desmin88: have you tried it before in any of your apps? Is it better performance wise?
Jun 27 02:49:06 <desmin88> yes thats how a lot of people do it.
Jun 27 02:49:33 <desmin88> i personally like to avoid multiple activities and keep it to 1 at most
Jun 27 02:49:38 <desmin88> then page between views
Jun 27 02:50:11 <ajoul> desmin88: It appears to be somewhat object-unoriented. What should I use classes for and how should I easily distribute the code and not bulk up everything on one .java file
Jun 27 02:50:23 <ajoul> I wont even be able to read over it if I put everything in one file.
Jun 27 02:50:53 <desmin88> so you can have one activity with a viewpager perhaps
Jun 27 02:51:01 <desmin88> that displays fragments
Jun 27 02:51:18 <desmin88> a fragment could be for your main content
Jun 27 02:51:24 <desmin88> another for your settings/registration
Jun 27 02:51:42 <desmin88> in your one activity, decide which fragment/view to show
Jun 27 02:52:33 <ajoul> desmin88: what should I use different activities for then?
Jun 27 02:52:40 <desmin88> you dont
Jun 27 02:52:41 <desmin88> you have one
Jun 27 02:52:53 <ajoul> Ok I see..
Jun 27 02:53:02 <desmin88> i mean yes you can use multiple activities
Jun 27 02:53:07 <desmin88> but this makes more sense
Jun 27 02:53:28 <ajoul> Also, maybe you are able to help me. I use some custom buttons, and loading animations
Jun 27 02:53:35 <ajoul> the application thread seems to run slow.
Jun 27 02:53:40 <ajoul> the main application thread.
Jun 27 02:54:05 <desmin88> g2g
Jun 27 02:54:06 <ajoul> I tried creating a thread just for the animation which is a rotating image view and it didn't help
Jun 27 02:54:24 <ajoul> desmin88: can you just tell me what I am doing wrong and guide me
Jun 27 02:56:39 <VelesTheGod> any good staggered gridView libraries? There are few on GitHub but wanted to see if anyone here has had good experience with any
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