**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 28 02:59:58 2014
Aug 28 03:00:55 <dragorn> yeah. ble isn't terribly stable yet on android.  I haven't messed with 4.4 a ton with it yet
Aug 28 03:16:41 <desmin88> Folks, whats the convention on having both a pull to refresh and an action bar refresh menu item
Aug 28 03:16:49 <desmin88> both? or just one
Aug 28 03:17:13 <bankai_au> i like pull coz it's less physical movement for the user
Aug 28 03:17:48 <bankai_au> gmail uses pull and an overflow actionbar item -- i'd follow whatever they do
Aug 28 03:18:12 <desmin88> interesting
Aug 28 03:23:59 <g00s> i like pull to delete
Aug 28 03:24:24 <bankai_au> pull to delete? who does that?
Aug 28 03:24:49 <g00s> hehe
Aug 28 03:26:40 <desmin88> why the hell does this keep happening
Aug 28 03:26:47 <desmin88> my fragments are overlaying each other
Aug 28 03:27:02 <desmin88> this preferencefragment displays but i see fragments from the back stack
Aug 28 03:27:29 <bankai_au> do you keep adding them on top of each other instead of getting an existing or replacing an existing ?
Aug 28 03:27:49 <desmin88> yes
Aug 28 03:28:54 <desmin88> damnit
Aug 28 03:28:56 <desmin88> is that wrong
Aug 28 03:29:31 <frankdrey> what's a good way to have two listviews that scroll continuously?
Aug 28 03:30:46 <frankdrey> hmmm
Aug 28 03:31:03 <frankdrey> actually, my problem is that i have other views i want to scroll with them
Aug 28 03:31:13 <frankdrey> all one big list, but there are 4 possible types of layouts
Aug 28 03:31:19 <frankdrey> 2 of which are static
Aug 28 03:31:21 <StingRay_> sense that did not make, coffee maybe needed
Aug 28 03:31:27 <frankdrey> i agree
Aug 28 03:31:29 <frankdrey> i need coffee
Aug 28 03:32:02 <frankdrey> fk it i'm going home :P
Aug 28 03:32:04 <StingRay_> in your head clear maybe, others not so
Aug 28 03:32:08 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 03:37:53 <jimbo1qaz> I have a problem, every time the layout changes, the GraphView freezes
Aug 28 03:37:59 <jimbo1qaz> hangs for a moment
Aug 28 03:40:09 <desmin88> how was setLineSpacing added in api 1
Aug 28 03:40:16 <desmin88> but getlinespacing was added in api 16
Aug 28 03:40:44 <jimbo1qaz> pastebin.com/ZyUpSwgm
Aug 28 03:44:42 <g00s> anyone see alex_pp recently ?
Aug 28 03:44:55 <jimbo1qaz> When I have lots of elements, it runs very slowly whenever the view is recalculated or something
Aug 28 03:45:36 <desmin88> probably because you have a lot of elements
Aug 28 03:45:39 <desmin88> what are you running this one
Aug 28 03:45:42 <desmin88> on*
Aug 28 03:45:45 <jimbo1qaz> 25001 elements
Aug 28 03:45:53 <jimbo1qaz> not elements, 25001 points, xy
Aug 28 03:46:04 <desmin88> what device are you running this on
Aug 28 03:46:36 <jimbo1qaz> gtab gt-n5110
Aug 28 03:46:47 <jimbo1qaz> it should never take 1.5 seconds every time the view changes
Aug 28 03:46:54 <jimbo1qaz> freeze the UI for that long
Aug 28 03:47:16 <jimbo1qaz> By any chance, is AndroidPlot any better suited for large arrays?
Aug 28 03:48:21 <desmin88> nobody knows about android plot
Aug 28 03:48:36 <jimbo1qaz> is graphview more popular or just more supported?
Aug 28 03:49:00 <jimbo1qaz> because on google trends, androidplot was somewhat more popular (20-75%)
Aug 28 03:49:06 <StingRay_> is that plot data realtime ?
Aug 28 03:49:41 <jimbo1qaz> no, just one-time get, simplexyseries, fed into a xyplot
Aug 28 03:49:59 <StingRay_> cause I cant understand how you would use 25001 pairs
Aug 28 03:50:24 <StingRay_> sure thats the source data, but how the heck do you/would you display that on a phone ?
Aug 28 03:50:40 <desmin88> really carefully
Aug 28 03:50:40 <StingRay_> can you pinch zoom for granularity ?
Aug 28 03:50:48 <StingRay_> chat history gone
Aug 28 03:50:53 <StingRay_> sorry if missing something
Aug 28 03:51:06 <StingRay_> I have it starting with grahview freezes
Aug 28 03:51:11 <jimbo1qaz> Maybe I should decrease the granularity, it would work better
Aug 28 03:51:33 <StingRay_> well I can only comment from an animation stand point
Aug 28 03:52:10 <StingRay_> as in mo-cap data for something like wii, you need to be very efficient but still optimise data to the point where the motion is accurate still
Aug 28 03:52:37 <StingRay_> and you may have upwards of 32,000 keyframes you need to take down to a few thousand
Aug 28 03:53:00 <StingRay_> thats fun
Aug 28 03:53:50 <StingRay_> normally done with a few nice routines that calculate tangent differences
Aug 28 03:56:17 <jimbo1qaz> not fun at all
Aug 28 03:58:08 <StingRay_> jimbo1qaz but I mean 25001 points in a plot is about 22500 more that you can see  on even a nexus 10
Aug 28 03:58:24 <jimbo1qaz> Should I just limit it to 100 pts?
Aug 28 03:58:27 <jimbo1qaz> meant 1000
Aug 28 03:58:31 <StingRay_> well no
Aug 28 03:58:58 <g00s> jimbo1qaz what are you graphing ?
Aug 28 03:59:02 <jimbo1qaz> plot ~1000 points, but still keep full precision for analysis
Aug 28 03:59:10 <jimbo1qaz> fiber spectrum
Aug 28 03:59:22 <StingRay_> jimbo1qaz what and how you show has to be based on the data
Aug 28 03:59:29 <StingRay_> personally I would optimise it lots based on tangent
Aug 28 03:59:45 <g00s> jimbo1qaz so you are plotting some kind of data related to fiber optics ?
Aug 28 04:00:15 <g00s> is this time series or frequency domain ?
Aug 28 04:01:39 <g00s> like power vs frequency ?
Aug 28 04:04:10 <desmin88> getTextSize() returns pixels but setTextSize(float size) assumes scaled pixels
Aug 28 04:04:12 <desmin88> how stupid is that
Aug 28 04:04:43 <StingRay_> scaled pixels ?
Aug 28 04:04:56 <StingRay_> how would one scale a pixel :)
Aug 28 04:05:15 <desmin88> r u srs
Aug 28 04:05:30 <StingRay_> it's actually a legal question
Aug 28 04:05:55 <desmin88> as in the android dimension unit
Aug 28 04:05:56 <desmin88> 'sp'
Aug 28 04:06:22 <StingRay_> I know, but think about it
Aug 28 04:07:01 <StingRay_> but setText size accepts the input unit you give it
Aug 28 04:07:08 <StingRay_> oops setTextSize
Aug 28 04:07:15 <StingRay_> balls I really do need coffee
Aug 28 04:07:21 <desmin88> gotcha
Aug 28 04:29:27 <desmin88> well that was infuriating "Unable to inflate SeekBarPreferencee"
Aug 28 04:29:32 <desmin88> did not notice the extra for 10 minutes
Aug 28 04:44:47 <chauchau> Hi. I have a some search keyword problem with my app.
Aug 28 04:45:52 <chauchau> My keyword of the app is very unique. So, I can get only one result if I use my keyword in en language setting.
Aug 28 04:46:28 <chauchau> I get a lot results if I change the language setting to Korean.
Aug 28 04:46:41 <chauchau> my Keyword is written by korean.
Aug 28 04:46:49 <chauchau> How do I fix this problem.
Aug 28 04:47:06 <chauchau> Does anyone knows this issues?
Aug 28 04:47:55 <sarbs> what is the keyword? i'm not sure you're using the term correctly - or if you are, i don't understand what it's in relation to
Aug 28 04:48:20 <chauchau> I mean, the keyword is the app name.
Aug 28 04:48:26 <desmin88> what is it
Aug 28 04:48:26 <sarbs> and what search are you talking about? something your app is searching? or maybe results on google play?
Aug 28 04:49:04 <desmin88> g00s: apparently its 60 characters per line
Aug 28 04:49:19 <desmin88> http://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability
Aug 28 04:49:21 <sarbs> ok.. so is the search you're talking about, google play results? as in, "i type in my app name in English, i get 1 result in google play, i type it in korean, i get lots of results"?
Aug 28 04:49:35 <g00s> desmin88 yeah, something like that :)
Aug 28 04:49:35 <chauchau> sarbs, google play results
Aug 28 04:49:56 <chauchau> I setted my app Name "버스사랑방 광주버스"
Aug 28 04:50:03 <chauchau> in google play
Aug 28 04:50:28 <sarbs> chauchau gotcha. what you're describing then doesn't actually sound like a problem with the app itself, it sounds like a problem with the app listing on Google Play ;)
Aug 28 04:50:36 <desmin88> that was kinda dumb
Aug 28 04:50:38 <desmin88> to do that
Aug 28 04:50:51 <sarbs> that said, it seems to me that having only one result (presumably, your app) would be a good thing. is it not?
Aug 28 04:51:38 <chauchau> sarbs, yes. But I want the only one result in korean language not english.
Aug 28 04:51:50 <sarbs> desmin88 for a korean bus app, it seems smart ;)
Aug 28 04:52:22 <sarbs> chauchau ahh. welcome to something called Search Engine Optimization :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization
Aug 28 04:53:09 <sarbs> i have no idea how to fix your korean listing. it'll obviously have more competition from korean apps than from english ones
Aug 28 04:55:46 <chauchau> sarbs, I was wondering how to make the result in google play. I expect that if I search with "버스사랑방", I will get the only one results alike en languages setting because "버스사랑방" is very very unique keyword.
Aug 28 04:56:52 <desmin88> thats up to google play
Aug 28 04:57:04 <chauchau> I guess google make a divide to my keyword to "버스"and "사랑방"
Aug 28 05:05:21 <desmin88> yay, users can now adjust line spacing and font size
Aug 28 05:11:36 <g00s> \o/
Aug 28 05:30:25 <QubeZ> hello all
Aug 28 05:30:33 <QubeZ> what is the way to go for banner ads these days?
Aug 28 05:33:08 <njcomsec> imo, the way that doesnt involve banner ads
Aug 28 05:33:15 <njcomsec> but what do you mean?
Aug 28 05:33:41 <njcomsec> graphics style, coding implementation?
Aug 28 05:33:53 <QubeZ> I guess, what is the best way to go if I wanted to add ads into my app?
Aug 28 05:34:25 <njcomsec> you mean coding wise? or where to put them
Aug 28 05:34:50 <desmin88> njcomsec: you dont like banner ads?
Aug 28 05:34:51 <QubeZ> what network to use (publisher) and placement
Aug 28 05:35:07 <QubeZ> I always thought banner ads were the way to go and to use admob
Aug 28 05:35:24 <desmin88> i used mopub.
Aug 28 05:35:25 <gordon_> desmin88: who likes ? ;)
Aug 28 05:35:38 <desmin88> banner ads > interstitials
Aug 28 05:35:42 <desmin88> interstitial ads can suck it
Aug 28 05:35:44 <njcomsec> na i dont like banner ads
Aug 28 05:35:51 <desmin88> why
Aug 28 05:36:02 <njcomsec> because they are annoying
Aug 28 05:36:10 <njcomsec> and the mobile screen is small enough already
Aug 28 05:36:14 <QubeZ> you prefer full sreen ones?
Aug 28 05:36:23 <njcomsec> i mean i dont like any ads on mobile apps
Aug 28 05:36:45 <njcomsec> at least full screen ones go away though... banner ones are always there getting in the way
Aug 28 05:36:56 <desmin88> so then you prefer paid apps without ads
Aug 28 05:37:07 <njcomsec> yes
Aug 28 05:37:26 <desmin88> you're a rare one
Aug 28 05:37:31 <njcomsec> or free ones without ads
Aug 28 05:37:33 <QubeZ> problem is, you're the only one buying the app
Aug 28 05:37:43 <desmin88> most android users are least likely to purchase apps compared to other platforms
Aug 28 05:38:18 <njcomsec> true, but considering how large the android market is, it is still a ton of people
Aug 28 05:39:36 <QubeZ> desmin88: why did you chooose mopub over say admob?
Aug 28 05:40:06 <desmin88> mopub is sort of an aggregate ad provider
Aug 28 05:40:20 <desmin88> njcomsec: not large enough to make up for the difference
Aug 28 05:41:34 <njcomsec> i havnt seen th stats
Aug 28 05:41:44 <desmin88> http://phandroid.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chart_21-resized-600.png
Aug 28 05:41:54 <desmin88> year old but relevant
Aug 28 05:43:06 <desmin88> So you need the android market size to be 8.3x larger
Aug 28 05:43:29 <desmin88> basically the ios app store is way better for money making
Aug 28 05:43:31 <desmin88> play store sux
Aug 28 05:43:32 <njcomsec> what does average app price mean there?
Aug 28 05:43:32 <StingRay_> desmin88 comparisons like that are a little flawed
Aug 28 05:43:39 <njcomsec> there is a minimum app price for android
Aug 28 05:43:42 <njcomsec> like £1?
Aug 28 05:43:49 <njcomsec> how can it be 0.06
Aug 28 05:43:58 <njcomsec> does that mean ad revenue generated per user?
Aug 28 05:45:26 <desmin88> its semi misleading
Aug 28 05:45:30 <desmin88> .06 includes the free apps
Aug 28 05:46:06 <njcomsec> dont ipad and iphone use the same apps?
Aug 28 05:46:07 <StingRay_> how do they work it ?
Aug 28 05:46:15 <desmin88> no they dont
Aug 28 05:46:21 <njcomsec> and how do they know how much an app makes?
Aug 28 05:46:26 <njcomsec> isnt that private data for the developer
Aug 28 05:46:28 <desmin88> its the cost of the app
Aug 28 05:46:29 <StingRay_> revenueTotal/downloadsTotal ?
Aug 28 05:46:47 <desmin88> it literally says in the graphics title
Aug 28 05:46:50 <desmin88> average app prices
Aug 28 05:46:55 <desmin88> Average = sum / total
Aug 28 05:47:01 <StingRay_> oh, then totally pointless :)
Aug 28 05:47:06 <desmin88> not at all
Aug 28 05:47:38 <StingRay_> god yes, the amount of total utter crap + tests + pet projects on play are 10000x what is on app store
Aug 28 05:47:53 <desmin88> "weighted by average monthly users"
Aug 28 05:48:01 <desmin88> its on the graphic
Aug 28 05:49:50 <njcomsec> its probably apple propaganda
Aug 28 05:50:02 <QubeZ> so do ads generate revenue solely from clicks or just impressions (user viewing them)?
Aug 28 05:50:23 <njcomsec> depends on the publisher but i would guess clicks for apps?
Aug 28 05:50:37 <QubeZ> apps aka apps & games?
Aug 28 05:50:50 <desmin88> yes its most definitely propaganda
Aug 28 05:50:59 <njcomsec> the thing i dont like about ads is it enourages developers to make shitty designed apps
Aug 28 05:51:07 <njcomsec> like to put the ads in hot zones where they will get clicked
Aug 28 05:51:15 <njcomsec> which just makes for a shitty user experience
Aug 28 05:51:18 <QubeZ> desmin88: what do you mean propaganda?
Aug 28 05:51:32 <desmin88> QubeZ: replying sarcastically to njcomsec
Aug 28 05:52:41 <StingRay_> i do think it's much much harder to make anything on android
Aug 28 05:52:49 <StingRay_> compared to ios from what I have seen
Aug 28 05:52:54 <desmin88> indeed it is
Aug 28 05:53:01 <g00s> and less return on investment = win !
Aug 28 05:53:03 <njcomsec> i think mainly because android has many more apps
Aug 28 05:53:16 <njcomsec> because no verification needed by google
Aug 28 05:53:23 <StingRay_> and with everyone attempting to copy googles guidelines to a tea … even harder for those
Aug 28 05:53:31 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 05:54:17 <g00s> njcomsec no, its because a huge percentage of the apps on Play are actually duplicates
Aug 28 05:54:28 <g00s> most of Play is just pure shit
Aug 28 05:55:04 <njcomsec> i dont think duplicates
Aug 28 05:55:07 <njcomsec> just lot of rubbish apps
Aug 28 05:55:10 <g00s> i have the data
Aug 28 05:55:21 <desmin88> hes got the data.
Aug 28 05:55:27 <njcomsec> give me the data
Aug 28 05:55:30 <Leeds> duplicates in the sense that they do the same-ish thing, yes... duplicates in the sense of *copies*, no
Aug 28 05:55:40 <njcomsec> ah ok then
Aug 28 05:55:41 <njcomsec> yes
Aug 28 05:56:05 <g00s> Leeds same thing, different package name
Aug 28 05:56:12 <g00s> so copies, yes
Aug 28 05:56:24 <Leeds> then I'd like to see that data...
Aug 28 05:56:30 <g00s> trying to find it
Aug 28 05:56:39 <g00s> seriously, you guys haven't read this ?
Aug 28 05:56:42 <Leeds> it's not like the blackberry store, where most of the apps are copies *from a single vendor*
Aug 28 05:56:42 <g00s> lol
Aug 28 05:56:59 <g00s> well its almost that bad, let me dig it up
Aug 28 05:57:09 <njcomsec> hahhaha yeh i remember that one blackberry guy who released like 10 apps a day or something
Aug 28 05:57:14 <Leeds> I know people who work for that company - they're based in HK :)
Aug 28 05:57:31 <njcomsec> lol
Aug 28 05:57:45 <njcomsec> i was born in hk
Aug 28 05:57:46 <Leeds> it's things like a travel guide for every city on wikipedia/wikitravel
Aug 28 05:58:33 <njcomsec> i might make a language app
Aug 28 05:58:50 <njcomsec> when i finish my game
Aug 28 05:59:31 <Leeds> BB have pretty much given up on the consumer app business anyway, effectively outsourced it to Amazon
Aug 28 06:00:58 <Leeds> to be fair, when it comes to shitty apps... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kefsco.pooplog2
Aug 28 06:01:16 <jullus1386> Hello there. I want to develop a new app which will be installed on 2 devices. 1st device will communicate with a microcontroller via USB, and the other one will act as the remote to send commands and display the state of the 1st one(maybe show it's camera also).
Aug 28 06:01:20 <jullus1386> I was wondering what is the best suited communication protocol, since I want the communication to be made as quick as possible? Google Cloud Messaging? Web Sockets?
Aug 28 06:01:31 <g00s> shit, i have to narrow this down. my google-fu is actually pulling up duplicate finders on play
Aug 28 06:02:09 <StingRay_> i think google play should have some distinctions too, like "this is a web app"
Aug 28 06:03:24 <g00s> it was actually enough problem Google filed a patent on detecting duplicate apps; but this was for malicious copies
Aug 28 06:03:51 <g00s> what i read a huge percentage was just intentionally spamming
Aug 28 06:03:55 <Leeds> at least it's not http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/28/microsoft-explains-windows-store-crackdown/
Aug 28 06:03:58 <g00s> still trying to find
Aug 28 06:04:34 <g00s> those guys are mired in the abyss
Aug 28 06:05:48 <desmin88> ugh, stupid adb not detecting my devices
Aug 28 06:06:15 <Leeds> http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2014/08/the-comprehensive-app-economics-blog-2014-yes-peak-app-is-apt-name-sheer-disaster-industry-with-only.html
Aug 28 06:16:01 <desmin88> genymotion licenses are bullshit
Aug 28 06:16:25 <njcomsec> never heard of it
Aug 28 06:20:35 <g00s> Leeds when i read that . about tablets - i still wonder if its worth it at all
Aug 28 06:20:45 <thepoosh> Leeds: that was an interesting article
Aug 28 06:20:52 <g00s> i'm in the process now of doing some tablet layouts, but ...
Aug 28 06:21:04 <thepoosh> g00s: I don't see how android tablets are popular
Aug 28 06:21:15 <thepoosh> but yet again, I live in israel
Aug 28 06:21:18 <g00s> i never see anyone with an android tablet
Aug 28 06:21:22 <thepoosh> yep
Aug 28 06:21:28 <g00s> i seriously have not seen a single fucking one
Aug 28 06:21:40 <thepoosh> I hardly see anyone with iPad either
Aug 28 06:22:38 <QubeZ> njcomsec: what are you writing your game in (using Unity or antyhing lke that)?
Aug 28 06:25:35 <QubeZ> what prevents a developer from clicking ads in their own app all day long?
Aug 28 06:26:18 <StingRay_> QubeZ rules/tracking
Aug 28 06:26:26 <StingRay_> but I mean it's also a waste of time
Aug 28 06:26:28 <appel1> g00s: a tablet isn't really something you take with you, it is more of a use at home thing :)
Aug 28 06:26:30 <g00s> thepoosh this was good from the other day http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/23/why-are-pcs-up-and-tablets-down/
Aug 28 06:26:36 <njcomsec> im writing it in java
Aug 28 06:26:48 <njcomsec> coding everything from scratch
Aug 28 06:27:02 <njcomsec> but it is only 2d game top down, very simple graphics
Aug 28 06:27:03 <thepoosh> will read
Aug 28 06:27:04 <g00s> it was a few months ago the bestbuy ceo said tablet sales were crashing
Aug 28 06:27:07 <thepoosh> i fucking hate TC
Aug 28 06:27:14 <g00s> yeaaah
Aug 28 06:27:19 <g00s> i think its a guest writer
Aug 28 06:28:00 <thepoosh> g00s: our CEO believes that wearables (watches in particular) are the future
Aug 28 06:28:14 <thepoosh> at least for our market audience
Aug 28 06:28:56 <g00s> i have no idea. there are some cool werables like shirts with sensors, sneakers with sensors
Aug 28 06:29:01 <StingRay_> thepoosh I think wearables will be the biggest flop ever
Aug 28 06:29:08 <StingRay_> niche only
Aug 28 06:29:13 <g00s> but i'm not even sure what wearables means
Aug 28 06:29:16 <thepoosh> StingRay_: depends on what ones
Aug 28 06:29:23 <thepoosh> the google glass was a huge flop
Aug 28 06:29:29 <StingRay_> watches
Aug 28 06:29:35 <njcomsec> google glass just hasnt taken off yet
Aug 28 06:29:36 <thepoosh> might be true
Aug 28 06:29:40 <g00s> watches are probably going to flop too
Aug 28 06:29:43 <njcomsec> needs to become cheaper
Aug 28 06:29:52 <thepoosh> njcomsec: no no
Aug 28 06:29:55 <thepoosh> it's too much
Aug 28 06:30:09 <njcomsec> you will see... in 10 years everyone will wear google glass
Aug 28 06:30:12 <thepoosh> they look awkward and they annoy people around you
Aug 28 06:30:19 <njcomsec> no
Aug 28 06:30:24 <njcomsec> not when they become standard
Aug 28 06:30:32 <njcomsec> people said the same thing about mobile phones
Aug 28 06:30:35 <thepoosh> the glass is too thick
Aug 28 06:30:41 <njcomsec> they will make it thinner
Aug 28 06:30:47 <njcomsec> like they made phones smaller
Aug 28 06:30:51 <thepoosh> njcomsec: it took mobile phones over 30 years to get in the market
Aug 28 06:31:06 <thepoosh> they were douchebag territory since the 70s
Aug 28 06:31:17 <njcomsec> yes but tech move faster now
Aug 28 06:31:50 <thepoosh> from what I've heard, google are kinda dropping glass
Aug 28 06:32:58 <njcomsec> maybe microsoft or apple will make one
Aug 28 06:33:04 <njcomsec> the iglass
Aug 28 06:33:07 <njcomsec> lol
Aug 28 06:33:29 <thepoosh> njcomsec: it will probably be iGlass Retina Display
Aug 28 06:33:33 <njcomsec> hahahahahaha
Aug 28 06:33:42 <g00s> myRetina :)
Aug 28 06:34:05 <thepoosh> I really hate apple now
Aug 28 06:34:26 <thepoosh> mostly because I use a macbook pro and their trackpad is so fucking awesome
Aug 28 06:34:39 <gordon_> lol
Aug 28 06:34:45 <gordon_> that made my day now
Aug 28 06:35:15 <thepoosh> gordon_: think about it, if they didn't have IPOs for all this crap my windows/linux machine would have a great trackpad
Aug 28 06:35:25 <thepoosh> but instead I have something primitive at home
Aug 28 06:35:28 <thepoosh> that sucks!
Aug 28 06:35:54 <gordon_> i dont use trackpad anyway
Aug 28 06:35:58 <gordon_> because it simply sucks
Aug 28 06:36:14 <thepoosh> now that is just bulshit
Aug 28 06:36:27 <thepoosh> the 1,2,3,4 finger recognition is very good
Aug 28 06:36:27 <gordon_> trackpoint <3
Aug 28 06:36:37 <thepoosh> looser!
Aug 28 06:36:45 <gordon_> well I can do this on this thinkpad too
Aug 28 06:36:50 <njcomsec> why not just use mouse
Aug 28 06:37:19 <gordon_> njcomsec: dont need to
Aug 28 06:37:31 <thepoosh> gordon_: I think tracking more than 1 finger is patented by apple
Aug 28 06:37:34 <g00s> butterflies ?
Aug 28 06:38:03 <gordon_> thepoosh: same as square with rounded corners
Aug 28 06:38:11 <thepoosh> lol
Aug 28 06:38:12 <thepoosh> no no
Aug 28 06:38:22 <thepoosh> this is actual technology and not just design
Aug 28 06:38:23 <gordon_> sorry, couldn't resist :)
Aug 28 06:38:34 <thepoosh> it's fine
Aug 28 06:38:41 <thepoosh> I hate apple for better reasons too
Aug 28 06:38:58 <gordon_> i need to work on it at work ;/
Aug 28 06:39:05 <gordon_> damn hate it
Aug 28 06:39:11 <desmin88> What do you guys think about Free + Ads with IAP to remove them, or Free + Paid
Aug 28 06:39:24 <desmin88> I've read that free + paid can mess with google play search results as users uninstall free to get paid
Aug 28 06:39:31 <thepoosh> desmin88: freemium is a very common way to go
Aug 28 06:39:33 <desmin88> but my user base is 99% non-playstore searches
Aug 28 06:40:04 <desmin88> what i mean is 99% of installs will not come from a person finding the app through a play store search
Aug 28 06:40:14 <thepoosh> desmin88: just make sure the free one is considered the non-common one
Aug 28 06:40:25 <desmin88> yeah
Aug 28 06:40:27 <thepoosh> meaning this packagename should be the longer one
Aug 28 06:40:37 <thepoosh> such as
Aug 28 06:40:49 <thepoosh> com.thepoosh.yeah - paid
Aug 28 06:40:57 <thepoosh> com.thepoosh.yeah.free
Aug 28 06:41:01 <desmin88> not free
Aug 28 06:41:01 <thepoosh> or something like that
Aug 28 06:41:05 <desmin88> "ad-supported"
Aug 28 06:41:06 <desmin88> lol
Aug 28 06:41:11 <thepoosh> whatever
Aug 28 06:42:58 <desmin88> yeah i think ill go that route
Aug 28 06:43:09 <desmin88> most of the app installs come from facebook page networks
Aug 28 06:43:16 <P3nnyw1se> hi guys looking for freeware progs. to visually design code in, maybe a light/better/free version of Visual Paradigm
Aug 28 06:43:41 <desmin88> wat
Aug 28 06:43:44 <njcomsec> visually design code?
Aug 28 06:43:46 <njcomsec> lol
Aug 28 06:44:11 <thepoosh> njcomsec:  like rational rhapsody by IBM
Aug 28 06:44:25 <thepoosh> it's a visual code generator
Aug 28 06:44:34 <njcomsec> not heard of it
Aug 28 06:44:35 <thepoosh> from UML to C++ or Java
Aug 28 06:44:35 <P3nnyw1se> http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/v/visual_paradigm_for_uml_(community)-21532-1.jpeg
Aug 28 06:44:49 <njcomsec> like dreamweaver?
Aug 28 06:45:18 <thepoosh> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/ratirhapfami
Aug 28 06:45:43 <thepoosh> dreamweaver is mostly client presentation design
Aug 28 06:45:56 <thepoosh> this is software engineering
Aug 28 06:46:21 <thepoosh> meaning you design and UML chart and it generates the code structure for it
Aug 28 06:46:31 <P3nnyw1se> thx what I'm looking for
Aug 28 06:47:25 <njcomsec> ok
Aug 28 06:47:56 <njcomsec> why not just use android app maker or something then
Aug 28 06:48:05 <njcomsec> then you dont have to code at all you can just drag and drop
Aug 28 06:49:56 <desmin88> because anyone who does that is a commie
Aug 28 06:51:18 <P3nnyw1se> I like the concept of drag'n' drop up untill I get pissed at something I want to change in the code
Aug 28 06:57:18 <desmin88> Well thats interesting, I'm not receiving any calls onoptionsitemselected when i tap the upcaret
Aug 28 07:02:25 <desmin88> nevermind
Aug 28 07:04:13 <desmin88> actually no, its still happening
Aug 28 07:06:44 <g00s> thepoosh apple is getting harder to hate under cook. jobs was ... another story
Aug 28 07:06:59 <thepoosh> well, yes and no
Aug 28 07:07:10 <thepoosh> they still dislike devs
Aug 28 07:11:06 <g00s> actively hostile or just don't care? i don't see apple and google any different in their "indifference"
Aug 28 07:11:38 <g00s> although, Mac App Store seems to have some problems
Aug 28 07:12:30 <g00s> it doesn't really matter if you are WP, android, iOS dev - i see them really caring insofar that you add value to their ecosystems
Aug 28 07:12:47 <ravilov> dunno, I still dislike (and boycott) apple just the same :)
Aug 28 07:13:05 <ravilov> it isn't any harder for me to do so
Aug 28 07:13:22 <g00s> its just as easy to boycoty google on privacy grounds, it depends where your values lie
Aug 28 07:13:51 <g00s> all these big companies are pathalogical
Aug 28 07:14:21 <ravilov> yesterday at work I was offered to replace my aging blackberry with a brand new iphone 5c, I turned it down :)
Aug 28 07:15:59 <ravilov> I just really dislike the company, how it conducts business in general, and all the hype and fad mindset it creates
Aug 28 07:16:34 <g00s> its actually interesting how people affiliate and identify with companies
Aug 28 07:17:34 <desmin88> god i fucking hate working with every little quirk of fragments and activities
Aug 28 07:20:36 <ravilov> so don't?
Aug 28 07:21:04 <desmin88> so just dont use fragments and activites
Aug 28 07:21:29 <g00s> one could say google hates devs by unleashing those shitty APIs on humanity, imagine all the millions of man hours down the drain
Aug 28 07:21:56 <desmin88> im going to try an experimental rewrite of my app using square's mortar for shits n gigs
Aug 28 07:22:04 <desmin88> but the fragment api is just not friendly at all
Aug 28 07:22:10 <njcomsec> make an app without fragments or activities?
Aug 28 07:22:18 <njcomsec> what is this black magic
Aug 28 07:22:31 <gordon_> desmin88: what's wrong with fragments ?
Aug 28 07:23:06 <desmin88> everything
Aug 28 07:23:58 <gordon_> lol
Aug 28 07:26:33 <ravilov> dunno, I don't mind shitty APIs, it is your own choice if you want to work with them really
Aug 28 07:26:46 <ravilov> like I said countless times, I stick to somewhat older APIs and I'm happy :)
Aug 28 07:27:10 <desmin88> define 'somewhat older apis'
Aug 28 07:27:20 <ravilov> 8
Aug 28 07:27:21 <capella> 14
Aug 28 07:27:47 <gordon_> capella: ++
Aug 28 07:27:57 <capella> heheh :p
Aug 28 07:28:01 <desmin88> do you utilize support libraries?
Aug 28 07:28:19 <gordon_> just let android 2.x die...
Aug 28 07:28:20 <gordon_> in peace
Aug 28 07:28:49 <P3nnyw1se> I develop for target 12
Aug 28 07:29:04 <desmin88> ravilov ^
Aug 28 07:29:18 <gordon_> why
Aug 28 07:29:23 <gordon_> ICS is 14 AFAIK
Aug 28 07:29:27 <P3nnyw1se> I fear changes
Aug 28 07:29:28 <desmin88> use 15
Aug 28 07:29:40 <ravilov> gordon_, I don't see why, it serves me so well
Aug 28 07:29:44 <P3nnyw1se> no joking, in my book if your device is older than 6 months.. you cant use my apps
Aug 28 07:29:50 <ravilov> desmin88, no I don't
Aug 28 07:30:10 <desmin88> so you just use activities
Aug 28 07:30:16 <ravilov> P3nnyw1se, that's quite a crappy attitude that won't win you any popularity points
Aug 28 07:30:25 <ravilov> desmin88, mostly yes
Aug 28 07:30:30 <desmin88> that must suck
Aug 28 07:30:34 <ravilov> nope
Aug 28 07:30:37 <ravilov> like I said, I'm happy
Aug 28 07:30:45 <ravilov> I get none of the headaches mentioned here
Aug 28 07:30:51 <gordon_> ravilov: tablets ?
Aug 28 07:30:57 <ravilov> what about them?
Aug 28 07:31:00 <P3nnyw1se> ravilov, look at ubisoft or bethesda.. sometimes they release games nobody can run untill half a year later
Aug 28 07:31:25 <ravilov> P3nnyw1se, they might have enough cred to be able to afford that, that doesn't make it a crappy move
Aug 28 07:31:26 <gordon_> ravilov: how do you want to make two layouts without fragments ?
Aug 28 07:31:31 <gordon_> rewrite whole activities ?
Aug 28 07:31:38 <ravilov> layouts != activities
Aug 28 07:32:00 <gordon_> i know
Aug 28 07:32:06 <ravilov> also, while my apps work on tablets, tablets are not really my target
Aug 28 07:32:12 <ravilov> so you could say I don't really care
Aug 28 07:32:59 <ravilov> don't get me wrong, I know I'm very much a dying minority here
Aug 28 07:33:10 <ravilov> still, that won't change anything for me :p
Aug 28 07:33:14 <QubeZ> hello all
Aug 28 07:33:25 <QubeZ> How does AdMob or others know its you clicking your own app ads?
Aug 28 07:33:49 <ravilov> BRAINS
Aug 28 07:33:55 <capella> No one else does?
Aug 28 07:33:55 <QubeZ> I'm trying to avoid doing something stupid but I've put the banner admon ads in my app and just browsing my app to ensure the banners are where I want them (not clicking thme)
Aug 28 07:35:13 <njcomsec> hhahahah
Aug 28 07:35:18 <njcomsec> no one else does... good one
Aug 28 07:35:19 <ravilov> because why? it will burn your fingers off?
Aug 28 07:35:39 <njcomsec> i guess they could use ip address
Aug 28 07:35:41 <Ashiren> because self-clicking banners might ban you in admob :s
Aug 28 07:35:59 <ravilov> well that's a crappy platform then
Aug 28 07:36:04 <Ashiren> or probably if you have google play, get your login
Aug 28 07:36:10 <ravilov> I would think it would only mess up stats and/or get ignored
Aug 28 07:36:19 <Kevel> ravilov: adding tablet layouts is easy
Aug 28 07:36:22 <Kevel> and takes not much time
Aug 28 07:36:29 <ravilov> Kevel, I know, I never said it's hard
Aug 28 07:36:30 <Kevel> even if its simple layout changes
Aug 28 07:36:34 <Kevel> its worth it
Aug 28 07:36:35 <ravilov> I only said I don't care to :p
Aug 28 07:36:36 <Kevel> imo
Aug 28 07:36:41 <Ashiren> ravilov: i think few clicks wouldnt hurt, just it forbids to make bots for clicking
Aug 28 07:36:45 <Kevel> GITHUB UR SHIT AND ILL DO IT FOR U
Aug 28 07:36:49 <Ashiren> but yeah, they could ignore it
Aug 28 07:36:54 <QubeZ> ok so its your Google Play account that shows its you clicking the ads
Aug 28 07:36:55 <ravilov> NO
Aug 28 07:36:59 <Kevel> =(
Aug 28 07:37:12 <QubeZ> I didn't click any ads but my admob acct shows 3 impressions and $0.63 earnings.  I'm not sure why.
Aug 28 07:37:24 <ravilov> because you're awesome?
Aug 28 07:37:29 <Ashiren> impressions?
Aug 28 07:37:35 <QubeZ> I just added the banners and still developing, not published the app in the play store with the banners yet
Aug 28 07:37:48 <capella> I do a mean Tony bennet
Aug 28 07:37:58 <QubeZ> hehe
Aug 28 07:52:07 <valder> anybody here that can help me with a little bit of JNI?  I'm trying to create and pass back a Java datastructure from the Native code.  I can't seem to figure out how to do it.  This is what I have so far.  http://pastebin.com/6mFAWGFB
Aug 28 08:03:44 <Morg0th> Hi, i'm trying to add an airpush ad to my app, but from the documentation i need to have google play services. I set that up but apparently google play services can't be used before API 9 (android 4.0). Is there really no way to use it with API 5 or something? i find that strange that i can't use that on older android versions
Aug 28 08:06:07 <Leeds> API9 is *not* 4.0
Aug 28 08:07:14 <P3nnyw1se> I've been offered SCRUM certification at 400 euro, which I've been told is very cheap... I'm a student though still and dont make a lot of money.. I'd like opinions.. would you consider it worth the money to be scrum ceritifed?
Aug 28 08:08:58 <Leeds> P3nnyw1se: do you play a lot of rugby?
Aug 28 08:09:33 <P3nnyw1se> no
Aug 28 08:15:32 <Morg0th> Leeds: ups sorry you're right, i used "android list" and i mixed up the id with API level. i guess i can work with api 9 then
Aug 28 08:17:38 <Estel> P3nnyw1se: if you have aspirations to be a scrum master or something, maybe? But it won't make your dev any better...
Aug 28 08:18:49 <Estel> Morg0th: you really don't need to do API5 these days
Aug 28 08:19:28 <Morg0th> Estel: ok thank you
Aug 28 08:32:08 <rgr> Whats the best "design" or "practice" for an Activity obtaining a reference to and then using a fragment? e.g consider a "debug fragment" which is only there on my Tablet layout. So a layout in the necessary resource bucket includes the fragment. Is it OK for that fragment to set a "dbgRef" on the getActivity() object which other fragments then access and call if not null?  Or should the fragment define an interface which then the
Aug 28 08:32:08 <rgr> activity implements and other fragments access the debugging functions through that Activity implemented interface? I realise its always considered bad for fragments to access and communicate directly together (although I can see reasons why that would be fine too).
Aug 28 08:33:08 <valder> anybody know why I can't do this?     env->setDoubleArrayRegion( vadArray, 0, aud_scores.vad_scores.size(), &aud_scores.vad_scores);   It says that JNIEnv has no member 'setDoubleArrayRegion' when I try to compile
Aug 28 08:38:29 <rgr> you're importing the wrong header? Do other native function calls compile?
Aug 28 08:38:40 <rgr> s/header/lib
Aug 28 08:41:46 <valder> yes
Aug 28 08:41:54 <valder> what header do i need?
Aug 28 08:42:07 <valder> which header are you referring to is wrong?
Aug 28 08:42:33 <OverCoder> a java wallpaper for my phone?
Aug 28 08:43:05 <BoD> exactly!
Aug 28 08:43:20 <BoD> I couldn't agree more
Aug 28 08:44:09 <valder> rgr: did you mean iostream?  right, that was leftover from another impl.  I've removed it. However, that shouldn't impact the compilation.  which header do I need to import toget access to SetDoubleArraayRegion?
Aug 28 08:45:51 <valder> LOL.. SetDoubleArrayRegion not setDoubleArrayRegion..
Aug 28 09:11:54 <veritto> hi
Aug 28 09:12:23 <Kevel> hi veritto
Aug 28 09:12:45 <veritto> I have to program a reader for QR, and later show the information in a textbox
Aug 28 09:13:11 <Kevel> proceed
Aug 28 09:14:00 <veritto> I was reading the library ZXing that use a any program from cell phone for read QR
Aug 28 09:14:31 <veritto> Kevel, do you know how i can get the information fron QR codes?
Aug 28 09:14:47 <BoD> )
Aug 28 09:14:50 <BoD> :)
Aug 28 09:15:01 <BoD> you read the library's documentation
Aug 28 09:15:19 <veritto> hmm ok
Aug 28 09:15:25 <BoD> and use it
Aug 28 09:16:01 <BoD> you really couldn't figure that out yourself?!
Aug 28 09:16:15 <veritto> :S
Aug 28 09:16:49 <BoD> "hmmm I need to do X and there's a lib that does X ... hmmmmmmm what could I do?  Gonna ask on IRC"
Aug 28 09:17:40 <capella-s3> doc is hard...  lets ask others
Aug 28 09:17:47 <BoD> :)
Aug 28 09:18:01 <Kevel> veritto: define after you have the package imported into your project you need to add the capture activity to your manifest: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8167307/
Aug 28 09:18:54 <veritto> ok, I going to check and later i will think for ask :S
Aug 28 09:18:58 <veritto> thanks
Aug 28 09:19:38 <Kevel> veritto: then open the scanner like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8167311/
Aug 28 09:20:13 <Kevel> and then just do the override the onActivityResult
Aug 28 09:20:18 <Kevel> and do whatever you want in there
Aug 28 09:20:38 <Kevel> the extra that the data is in is called "SCAN_RESULT"
Aug 28 09:20:59 <Kevel> ie: intent.getStringExtra("SCAN_RESULT");
Aug 28 09:21:06 <veritto> oh thank you so much, I am going to use it :)
Aug 28 09:28:35 <rgr> Had a quick google but didnt find anything : anyone here know of a GUI that enables your to "design" a path animation for Android Property Animation and produces the necessary code/position deltas? eg sketch a  spiral path or something and it approximates it?
Aug 28 09:52:11 <jvrodrigues> how is everyone this fine summer morning?
Aug 28 09:52:13 <kuldeepdhaka> i have a app that have 3 activities. each activity control a part of the device (and are independent of each other). i want user to run 3 activities independently (but dont want to make 3 apk for this). what i tried is: added "<action android:name="android.intent.action.MAIN" />    <category android:name="android.intent.category.LAUNCHER" />" to each activity. now i can see 3 activity icon on screen and can launch them independentl
Aug 28 09:52:13 <kuldeepdhaka> y. but not all three at the same time. any help?
Aug 28 09:52:57 <BoD> kuldeepdhaka: what do you mean by "at the same time" ?
Aug 28 09:54:41 <kuldeepdhaka> at the same time means: user can switch between different activities like the way it can switch between different apps
Aug 28 09:55:02 <Estel> You mean using Recents?
Aug 28 09:55:22 <kuldeepdhaka> *same way
Aug 28 09:55:25 <kuldeepdhaka> (just to mention: and can independently close them)
Aug 28 09:55:25 <kuldeepdhaka> yes
Aug 28 09:55:32 <rgr> they're called apps.
Aug 28 09:57:45 <kuldeepdhaka> rgr, :)
Aug 28 09:58:21 <kuldeepdhaka> these activities share same hw driver library. and user will usually use them in parallel to perform work
Aug 28 09:58:50 <danijoo> kuldeepdhaka: whats wrong with a menu ? :o
Aug 28 09:59:07 <Estel> kuldeepdhaka: you'll be able to manipulate the Recents screen more directly in Android L
Aug 28 09:59:10 <rgr> why not just link them all as fragments/view or whatever  and use a menu and hide/show or something?
Aug 28 10:01:23 <kuldeepdhaka> these activities will hold control over the device USB Interface. and i want the user to select which which activities to run and which not
Aug 28 10:02:32 <danijoo> and why is this not possible via a menu
Aug 28 10:05:14 <Click66> Anyone knows a good library to visualize audio spectrums on android?
Aug 28 10:07:09 <threenuc> I have a ArrayList, ArrayAdapter and a ListView. What's the difference between adding new input to ArrayAdapter and ArrayList? The result is the same.
Aug 28 10:07:41 <Estel> threenuc: what do you mean by "adding new input to the arrayadapter" ?
Aug 28 10:08:05 <threenuc> Estel: adapter.add("stuff")
Aug 28 10:08:08 <ravilov> threenuc, the adapter does not get notified if you change the underlying list
Aug 28 10:08:16 <kuldeepdhaka> in menu things will be hardwired and ability to free or close resource (like closing app) flexibility/independence is not possible ?
Aug 28 10:08:43 <ravilov> if you are going to work with ArrayAdapter, you should just give it the list and then forget the list even exists
Aug 28 10:08:46 <danijoo> kuldeepdhaka: its just a bit more work..
Aug 28 10:08:49 <kuldeepdhaka> though disable like feature can be place inside each activity and switch between views using menu is possible
Aug 28 10:08:50 <ravilov> and only ever manage the data through the adapter
Aug 28 10:09:29 <threenuc> ravilov: Then why do I need the list? Can't the adapter just convert input into a view and make them stay there? Or does it need to store them?
Aug 28 10:09:56 <threenuc> By them I mean input values
Aug 28 10:09:58 <ravilov> it needs to store them
Aug 28 10:11:29 <kuldeepdhaka> danijoo, looks like i have to pack everything in one ui (switch using menu) instead of thinking them as multiple ui
Aug 28 10:12:20 <threenuc> ok thanks
Aug 28 10:12:21 <rgr> you need to tell the adaptor its changed notifyXXXX. Thats fine.
Aug 28 10:12:23 <danijoo> kuldeepdhaka: you can still put them into different activities and switch between them. Just have their functionality independent of opening/closing independent activities
Aug 28 10:12:32 <ravilov> I can't tell for sure (would need to look up the docs) but I do believe what you need is possible; activities can have vafious flags and launch modes defined in the manifest
Aug 28 10:12:48 <ravilov> kuldeepdhaka, ^
Aug 28 10:13:01 <ravilov> also various*
Aug 28 10:13:40 <rgr> adapter.notifyDataSetChanged()
Aug 28 10:14:09 <kuldeepdhaka> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/activity-element.html  all i could understand was the MAIN and LAUNCHER thing
Aug 28 10:14:25 <ravilov> example: google maps traditionally come with many user-visible activities such as maps, navigation, places etc; I believe if you launch one and then the other both will stay in recents history
Aug 28 10:14:44 <rgr> and regarding it "storing" your data. Try your own extension of BaseAdapter. Its not that difficult and you can store "whatever data" you want and have the getView read that and then determine whatever fancy view it wants to spit out. You need to implement aabout three functions.
Aug 28 10:15:03 <ravilov> kuldeepdhaka, well that page describes every option available in great detail, I'm not sure what to add to that if even that isn't clear
Aug 28 10:18:26 <Moony22> Hello
Aug 28 10:18:40 <Estel> Hullo
Aug 28 10:18:54 <Moony22> How can i use teamcity to build android studio projects?
Aug 28 10:19:00 <ravilov> EHLO
Aug 28 10:19:14 <Estel> ELO
Aug 28 10:19:35 <Estel> (Sun is shining in the sky, there ain't a cloud in sightttt)
Aug 28 10:21:13 <Moony22> considering jetbrains made android-studio and teamity, i thought it would be easier
Aug 28 10:22:51 <Estel> Moony22: apparently it supports gradle builds out of the box, what's missing?
Aug 28 10:23:57 <kuldeepdhaka> ravilov, danijoo menu drag from left (like google play app) seems to be reasonable as more activities are added
Aug 28 10:24:13 <ravilov> ok
Aug 28 10:24:42 <Moony22> Estel: My knowledge of gradle
Aug 28 10:24:59 <Moony22> and teamcity for that matter
Aug 28 10:25:08 <Kevel> ravilov: perhaps do fragment transactions in a single activity instead of opening a billion activities from the nav drawer
Aug 28 10:25:25 <rgr> then read the manual.... its what people tend to do when they dont understand something.
Aug 28 10:25:56 <Kevel> RTFM
Aug 28 10:25:59 <Kevel> but we are men?
Aug 28 10:26:12 <Kevel> I'm feeling conflicted rgr
Aug 28 10:26:17 <Moony22> o.o I'm just going to try it out
Aug 28 10:26:17 <ravilov> Kevel, when people come with a specific issue, I generally try to fix the issue and make it work instead of coming up with alternative architectural solutions
Aug 28 10:26:18 <Estel> Moony22: have you built it from the command line on your local machine?
Aug 28 10:26:37 <Moony22> Estel: my android project? A few times
Aug 28 10:26:52 <Kevel> ravilov: sometimes giving an alternative also helps
Aug 28 10:27:04 <Estel> Well ultimately all you need to do is run the same command on your CI worker
Aug 28 10:27:18 <Estel> ./gradlew assembleRelease or whatever
Aug 28 10:28:00 <ravilov> Kevel, that's why there are so many people here, so as to have many different approaches; I'll stick to mine though
Aug 28 10:28:30 <Kevel> ravilov: then stick to it :)
Aug 28 10:29:55 <Moony22> Estel: I think  I understand how to do it now...Just need to get the android sdk first :p
Aug 28 10:30:00 <ravilov> thank you for your generous albeit unnecessary approval
Aug 28 10:33:18 <BoD> good for you both
Aug 28 10:33:31 <VnM> Play nice!
Aug 28 10:33:45 <Kevel> but daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddd
Aug 28 10:33:47 <Kevel> he started
Aug 28 10:34:20 <BoD> :)
Aug 28 10:37:09 <rgr> Moony22: the point is more "I dont know gradle and I dont know AS" is not really a question. because the answer is "well learn them" then ask specific questions. I hate "RTFM" as a general rule but one has to do some spadework.
Aug 28 10:41:17 <Kevel> Has anyone done anything using socket connections in a service?
Aug 28 10:41:45 <Kevel> If so, what challenges did you face?
Aug 28 10:45:17 <kuldeepdhaka> ravilov, danijoo rgr Estel BoD Thanks you for the suggestions :)
Aug 28 10:52:50 <rgr> switching to fragments as an experiment , when in an activity I want to find a view and do something with it , if I know that view is in a fragment should I first find the fragment using the fragmentmanager then find the view in that or is it ok to simply findViewByID on the main activity? or am I misunderstanding something here?
Aug 28 10:53:22 <rgr> ah. better. find the fragment and then call a method on that to do the view update.
Aug 28 10:55:50 <rgr> or getView(). OK.. I think...
Aug 28 10:55:59 <Moony22> is it normal for system images to take up 8.0GB of space?
Aug 28 10:56:59 <ravilov> not really
Aug 28 10:57:13 <Moony22> I don't mean each, I mean combined
Aug 28 10:57:22 <Moony22> I mean, combined 3 platforms
Aug 28 10:57:22 <rgr> depends on how much you have in it. But what do you mean by a system image?
Aug 28 10:57:49 <Moony22> Oh sorry, I forgot to clarify. I mean the system images folder in the android sdk..
Aug 28 10:58:01 <ravilov> system images for 4.4 (platform 19) take up about 1GB
Aug 28 10:58:09 <ravilov> I doubt any previous images are larger
Aug 28 10:58:21 <ravilov> 3 combined should not exceed 3 GB
Aug 28 10:58:25 <Moony22> ahhh
Aug 28 10:58:33 <Moony22> I understand...I have android L
Aug 28 10:58:37 <Moony22> which takes up 5GB
Aug 28 10:59:03 <Moony22> I don't need android L luckily
Aug 28 10:59:13 <VnM> But bigger is better, right?
Aug 28 10:59:28 <Moony22> bigger = no space on VPS
Aug 28 10:59:39 <VnM> :D
Aug 28 10:59:53 <Moony22> I'm trying to scp my whole android sdk across
Aug 28 11:00:16 <Moony22> Which is now only 5.7GB...I have 15GB total space on my VPS -.-
Aug 28 11:01:10 <Moony22> really, docs take up 1GB? -.-
Aug 28 11:02:13 <VnM> Maybe it´s done with lots of images, so we don´t need to read, why you chucking everything on your VPS?
Aug 28 11:02:29 <Moony22> VnM: for my build server
Aug 28 11:02:49 <ravilov> you don't need any images in order to do builds
Aug 28 11:02:57 <Moony22> o.o
Aug 28 11:03:05 <ravilov> why would you need images?
Aug 28 11:03:12 <ravilov> those are only for emulator
Aug 28 11:03:16 <Moony22> Why would I need images in the first place?
Aug 28 11:03:23 <Moony22> I don't use emulators :p
Aug 28 11:03:33 <Estel> Then you don't :P
Aug 28 11:03:37 <ravilov> why are you copying them then?
Aug 28 11:03:37 <rgr> so why do you need images?
Aug 28 11:03:46 <Moony22> We could of started with that...
Aug 28 11:03:48 <Moony22> have*
Aug 28 11:03:56 <VnM> lol :x
Aug 28 11:04:02 * Moony22 deletes system-images
Aug 28 11:04:07 <ravilov> it seems you are prone to going heads first without actually knowing what you're doing
Aug 28 11:04:10 <ravilov> good luck with that approach
Aug 28 11:04:12 <rgr> indeed.
Aug 28 11:04:14 <Estel> But that's the most fun! :D
Aug 28 11:04:45 <Moony22> ravilov: I'm deleting the contents of system-images
Aug 28 11:05:13 <rgr> Try reading the docs and doing the tutorials and understanding a great IDE like Intellij/AS..... "install SDK, set up IDE, run..." as opposed "I think I'll scp these things I dont know what they are to a VPS for some reason".... ;)
Aug 28 11:05:50 <Moony22> -.- I've already developed and published my app
Aug 28 11:05:59 <Moony22> using android studio
Aug 28 11:06:11 <ravilov> then why did you even try copying large images over?
Aug 28 11:06:30 <ravilov> if you're as experienced as you say, you should've known those are irrelevant for building
Aug 28 11:07:06 <Moony22> I never said I was experienced, I just didn't know they were only used for emulators.
Aug 28 11:07:51 <rgr> You are experienced if you already published your app :) I havent yet : I'm now converting it to use fragments and get a better idea of properly handling different orientations and screen sizes :) Still a lot to learn!
Aug 28 11:21:24 <kryssacek> Hi everybody, I have little problem, I need execute doInBackground method every X second - how can i do It?
Aug 28 11:21:42 <VnM> Use a Handler or a Timer
Aug 28 11:23:17 <rgr> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2857101/schedule-task-in-android
Aug 28 11:23:18 <killer> AS said in the androiddev , I imported  import android.support.v7.app.ActionBar to get actionbar in api lower than 11 but , i get "import android.support.v7 cannot be resolved" , any help on this?
Aug 28 11:23:22 <rgr> 2 seconds with google.
Aug 28 11:23:53 <Moony22> how can I generate a signed apk using teamcity?
Aug 28 11:24:20 <rgr> ......
Aug 28 11:24:35 <Moony22> it wasn't 2 seconds with google
Aug 28 11:25:12 <kryssacek> rgr - I searched at google half of hour and I did not see nothing which can help me
Aug 28 11:25:13 <VnM> killer, run a clean or make sure you actually have the library added to your project
Aug 28 11:25:26 <kryssacek> but thank every body which helped me
Aug 28 11:25:29 <rgr> You didnt find that link?
Aug 28 11:25:43 <rgr> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=android%20run%20a%20background%20task%20schedule
Aug 28 11:25:44 <quacked> hi
Aug 28 11:26:07 <kryssacek> rgr nope
Aug 28 11:26:14 <quacked> there isnt a way to make admob ads in my apps target a certain audience by age?
Aug 28 11:26:19 <rgr> well, I did and provided one answer. Hope it helps.
Aug 28 11:26:37 <quacked> or any experience here with blocking categories to hit certain age groups?
Aug 28 11:27:33 <rgr> note the clever use of google putting in the key words like "android background task schedule". It can help a lot :) Then using the IDE bring up the runnable javadoc etc. Also look at handlers.
Aug 28 11:27:45 <quacked> I have an app target at youths so I'm considering blocking the finance category
Aug 28 11:28:13 <quacked> and such
Aug 28 11:31:44 <Moony22> there is no way to use gradle to generate a signed release apk?
Aug 28 11:32:36 <Moony22> I know how to do it with ant, but not with gradle :/
Aug 28 11:34:58 <rgr> I would be very surprised if it was no possible considering gradle is the "official" build system. What about this? https://github.com/almalkawi/Android-Guide/wiki/Generating-signed-release-APK-using-Gradle
Aug 28 11:35:44 <rgr> Looks pretty trivial but then I only used google for about 1 second so apologies if its not relevant.
Aug 28 11:37:37 <Moony22> rgr: ah, that looks nice. Do you think I need to use environment variables, or could I just type them in there?
Aug 28 11:52:00 <aaearon> anyone seen the scenario where on a 4.4.2 device logcat output, there is no 'application' listed? only level, time, pid, tid, tag, and text
Aug 28 11:54:20 <danijoo> aaearon: output in IDE, shell or developer console log
Aug 28 11:55:25 <aaearon> when im looking at logcat in eclipse and also the output via 'adb logcat'
Aug 28 11:55:33 <threenuc> Can I somehow populate an XML array with string resources?
Aug 28 11:55:35 <aaearon> makes a pain to filter :P
Aug 28 12:00:33 <rgr> Moony22: I dont know. I just googled it for you. Try it.
Aug 28 12:04:32 <FrancescoV> Hi all, How can i capture the back button click when FragmentA is visible (FragmentA contains viewpager with FragmentB and FragmentC). I need to show a custom dialog before going back to the previous Fragment
Aug 28 12:04:34 <uhlm> i want to start a countdown timer, but only after a background thread have loaded a image and a text quote. What is a good way to go about doing that ?
Aug 28 12:04:50 * Moony22 is still waiting for 2GB to transfer
Aug 28 12:04:57 <Moony22> do I even need the docs directory?
Aug 28 12:06:47 <VnM> FrancescoV, I think you should be able to override the onKeyDown method, catch the keyCode != KeyEvent.KEYCODE_BACK, return false and then run the code to open your dialog
Aug 28 12:07:09 <BoD> or, onBackPressed
Aug 28 12:07:41 <VnM> Ah yeah theres that too, but wasn´t there some limitation to that
Aug 28 12:08:00 <BoD> not that I know of
Aug 28 12:08:09 <BoD> *none
Aug 28 12:08:27 <FrancescoV> VnM, Ok thank but wil this work if I open another Fragment. Like: FragmentB (page) has a listview and when clicking an item I open FragmentD
Aug 28 12:08:48 <BoD> irrelevant
Aug 28 12:09:13 <rgr> Moony22: what docs for what?
Aug 28 12:09:14 <VnM> If you put the code in the specific Fragment you want it to work in it should only work in that fragment
Aug 28 12:09:41 <FrancescoV> VnM: thanks I'll try it out
Aug 28 12:10:16 <rgr> FrancescoV: you need to let your activity decide what to do. That knows what fragments are available and invokes the correct behaviour. Fragments should not chat amongs themselves since they dont know they're there...
Aug 28 12:10:32 <rgr> (or thats my take on it and will be gladly corrected)
Aug 28 12:11:25 <FrancescoV> rgr: so you say it's better to capture onBackPressed in the Activity and use getSupportFragmentManager().getBackStackEntryAt(lastIndex) ?
Aug 28 12:11:47 <rgr> no I didnt say that.
Aug 28 12:12:32 <rgr> I said fragments shouldnt chat between themselves. Maybe I spoke out of place. Im not familiar with what you're trying to do by intercepting key presses. My understanding is that the back button is "built in".
Aug 28 12:12:39 <rgr> but then I havent used it (yet)
Aug 28 12:15:13 <FrancescoV> rgr: thanks, you're right
Aug 28 12:21:09 <uhlm>  i want to start a countdown timer, but only after a background thread have loaded a image and a text quote. What is a good way to go about doing that ?
Aug 28 12:22:09 <VnM> Start the countdown timer when your background thread is finished? See if you can add an event listener somewhere
Aug 28 12:23:23 <VnM> If you´re doing it Async there´s a onPostExecute somewhere, otherwise there might be some onCompletion or onFinished events firing when your image/text is loaded
Aug 28 12:23:54 <uhlm> VnM: that is what i am doing now. however. if a connection is slow, content loaded only shows up when the countdown timer is already running, and have been for a few seconds. i was hoping there was a way for the application to "know" when content had been loaded..
Aug 28 12:24:29 <uhlm> i fetch one instance at a time. i am guessing i should expand the load to fetch to an arraylist instead perhaps
Aug 28 12:34:00 <blackdev1l> Hello, i'm stuck with a problem, after made a Navigation Drawer i can't switch sections, the question is identical to this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20638967/how-to-change-fragments-using-android-navigation-drawer but i don't get it work even using the switch as the answer on the link
Aug 28 12:42:05 <killer> I usedandroid:drawableEnd inside <button> to display an image inside button , how can I display it inside a button other than extreme right , I want it at right but not extreme right
Aug 28 12:45:04 <VnM> add some padding on the right side?
Aug 28 12:48:57 <MetalGear> Hello, i have a function which fades out the list items below a certain position. This all works fine except when the list view has many items and becomes scrollable. When you scroll and try this animation it does not work. Code: http://pastebin.com/FMRMKf72
Aug 28 12:49:16 <rgr> Im trying to override the onCreateView for a subclass of ListFragment. The java doc the view must contain an element with an id of  android.R.id.list  .. but Im being dumb or blind and cant get that to resolve.
Aug 28 12:50:01 <Estel> rgr: the ID doesn't resolve?
Aug 28 12:50:59 <rgr> Im not sure. Maybe Im too tired. In the view I want to return I have a linearlayout containing a ListView where im setting the id to android:id="android.R.id.list". Im being dumb arent I?
Aug 28 12:51:38 <rgr> ah google :)
Aug 28 12:51:48 <rgr> android:id="@android:id/list"
Aug 28 12:52:25 <Estel> yeah :)
Aug 28 12:52:39 <Estel> MetalGear: where do you apply that function?
Aug 28 12:52:42 <Zharf> that'd be android.R.id.list in code
Aug 28 12:53:14 <rgr> yeah I see that now. Another lesson learnt. But funny things with fragments. too many ways of hosing it....
Aug 28 12:53:30 <MetalGear> Estel: in the onclick on a list item
Aug 28 12:54:04 <Estel> So you click an item and the items below it are supposed to fade out?
Aug 28 12:54:09 <MetalGear> yes
Aug 28 12:54:21 <rgr> I think using a ListFragment is making it harder then just having a Fragment generate the inflate a listview layout itself.
Aug 28 12:54:36 <Estel> And when you say "when you scroll and try this animation it does not work", do you mean that when you scroll down, the views that were hidden before aren't faded out?
Aug 28 12:54:52 <Estel> rgr: yeah, I tend to avoid those convenience fragments tbh
Aug 28 12:55:10 <MetalGear> Estel: i will take a screen shot
Aug 28 12:55:20 <Estel> MetalGear: okay
Aug 28 12:55:28 <rgr> Estel: good to know. think I will revert.
Aug 28 12:56:21 <MetalGear> Estel: actually what you said is correct
Aug 28 12:56:52 <Estel> MetalGear: okay, the reason is that the .getChildCount() and .getChildAt() methods that you use only refer to views that are in view at that time
Aug 28 12:57:05 <Estel> they aren't methods that apply to the complete list, they're method that apply to what's visible.
Aug 28 12:57:32 <MetalGear> Estel: i see, are there methods that apply to the entire list
Aug 28 12:57:37 <Estel> MetalGear: not in that way
Aug 28 12:58:01 <Estel> What you'll have to do instead/as well is store some state somewhere that says what position / from where views are to be hidden
Aug 28 12:58:26 <MetalGear> Estel: actually this issue is fine, i only want what is visible to be faded out
Aug 28 12:58:28 <Estel> and then set the alpha or whatever it is in cellForRowAtIndexPath
Aug 28 12:58:37 <Estel> Wait, that's ios >_>
Aug 28 12:58:44 <Estel> In your adapter's getview binding
Aug 28 12:59:35 <MetalGear> I'm more worried about the underlaying issue, where if i scroll down from the top and click on one of the previously hidden items, the one's below it do not fade out
Aug 28 13:01:37 <Estel> pastebin at least your onItemClick?
Aug 28 13:03:47 <MetalGear> i don't know how helpful it will be
Aug 28 13:03:48 <MetalGear> http://pastebin.com/GX40qYqJ
Aug 28 13:07:43 <rgr> why the blinking flip does a ListView in a Linearlayout NOT respect match_parent? The parent layout is set to a fixed width of 128sp. If I put that sp width on the ListView its fine.
Aug 28 13:08:47 <Estel> MetalGear: hmm, not sure :/ but tbh I'm not sure why the larger issue isn't an issue either
Aug 28 13:09:27 <MetalGear> Estel: it's because this is one part of a larger chain of animations
Aug 28 13:09:40 <MetalGear> i just want to focus on the clicked list item
Aug 28 13:09:54 <MetalGear> ill end up bring it to the top, and fade out the ones underneath
Aug 28 13:10:14 <MetalGear> and then bring it all back if the back button or navigation is clicked
Aug 28 13:27:46 <logan0405> hey
Aug 28 13:27:58 <logan0405> im developing an android app for a rather old version, eclair, 2.1
Aug 28 13:28:18 <logan0405> im making a browser, and it crashes every time i visit https websites
Aug 28 13:28:22 <logan0405> http work fine though
Aug 28 13:28:46 <rgr> what does the backtrace in the debugger say?
Aug 28 13:29:08 <logan0405> im not sure how to do that ill look it up
Aug 28 13:29:12 <logan0405> im pretty new to android dev
Aug 28 13:30:15 <rgr> if you dont know how to look at a stacktrace and debug then developing your own browser for 2.1 seems quite a task. Good luck!
Aug 28 13:30:44 <Estel> Possibly check comment #14 here: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2388#c15
Aug 28 13:31:00 <Estel> But that should only result in a blank webview, rather than a crash
Aug 28 13:32:05 <rgr> He didnt say a webview but I guess it is....
Aug 28 13:32:11 * xximjasonxx shakes head
Aug 28 13:32:19 <xximjasonxx> Just amazing how screwed up this code is
Aug 28 13:32:56 <logan0405> yeah i was getting a crash every time until i added permissions
Aug 28 13:32:58 <logan0405> to use internet
Aug 28 13:33:29 <logan0405> heh thanks rgr
Aug 28 13:33:33 <Estel> logan0405: if you get a stacktrace, it will help lots...
Aug 28 13:33:35 <logan0405> im just trying to make a reallly simple one
Aug 28 13:33:41 <xximjasonxx> logan0405: logcat is your friend
Aug 28 13:33:44 <logan0405> i made a launcher
Aug 28 13:33:45 <logan0405> oh yeah
Aug 28 13:33:47 <logan0405> ive used that
Aug 28 13:34:03 <xximjasonxx> I have it filtered to Error 95% of the time in Studio
Aug 28 13:34:05 <xximjasonxx> so helpful
Aug 28 13:34:38 <xximjasonxx> do you know how screwed up code has to be where I cant even decipher where a button is getting its background color from!!!
Aug 28 13:35:09 <logan0405> haah
Aug 28 13:35:12 <logan0405> whose code
Aug 28 13:35:31 <xximjasonxx> previous developer
Aug 28 13:35:46 <xximjasonxx> its MonoTouch, but I think the bg is getting applied through an animation, that I cant find
Aug 28 13:35:46 <logan0405> logcat = stack trace?
Aug 28 13:35:55 <xximjasonxx> logcat will show you a stacktrace from the emulator
Aug 28 13:35:58 <logan0405> ok
Aug 28 13:35:59 <xximjasonxx> or from any device
Aug 28 13:36:00 <logan0405> cool
Aug 28 13:36:09 <xximjasonxx> its where android dumps anything that is unhandled
Aug 28 13:36:55 <logan0405> argh
Aug 28 13:37:00 <logan0405> it works perfectly on the emulator
Aug 28 13:37:13 <logan0405> im on a kind of weird device
Aug 28 13:37:16 <logan0405> nook simple touch rooted
Aug 28 13:37:34 <xximjasonxx> ahh ha!!
Aug 28 13:37:36 <logan0405> hehe
Aug 28 13:37:39 <xximjasonxx> found you uyou little bastard
Aug 28 13:37:42 <rgr> Estel: maybe you could cast your sage eye over this. The ListView is still taking the entire width of the screen. https://gist.github.com/5671b8d3392f6c142f47
Aug 28 13:37:55 <Estel> xximjasonxx: where was it?
Aug 28 13:38:02 <rgr> I know I set width for the <fragment AND the <ListView .... just debugging but same output.
Aug 28 13:38:10 <xximjasonxx> Estel: it was a custom UIButton implementation
Aug 28 13:38:46 <xximjasonxx> cause well, IB being awesome an all, only shows controls with the default APple styles
Aug 28 13:38:51 <xximjasonxx> not with what they actually look like
Aug 28 13:38:59 <Estel> rgr: did you say it was in a LinearLayout? I dunno if that's missing some context
Aug 28 13:38:59 <xximjasonxx> gah
Aug 28 13:39:44 <rgr> the fragment is referenced in a FrameLayout (second block in the gist). The ListView is merely a listview in nothing. I had it in a linearlayout before.
Aug 28 13:40:13 <rgr> the shadedblack background works fine but width is 100% of parent.
Aug 28 13:40:25 <Estel> Nothing can contain the width, captain :D
Aug 28 13:40:43 <rgr> not sure I follow.
Aug 28 13:40:48 <Moony22> hello
Aug 28 13:41:03 <Moony22> how can i use the sdk manager over ssh
Aug 28 13:41:15 <xximjasonxx> think he is saying the fragment wants the whole of the parents, regardless of what its told
Aug 28 13:41:22 <rgr> Moony22: you're trolling.
Aug 28 13:41:23 <xximjasonxx> *width
Aug 28 13:41:27 <Estel> rgr: does heirarchyviewer say anything interesting?
Aug 28 13:41:33 <Moony22> rgr: I mean, on a headless server
Aug 28 13:41:37 <rgr> Im going to bring that on now.
Aug 28 13:41:49 <Moony22> rgr: I'm seriously not trolling.
Aug 28 13:42:03 <rgr> Moony22: seriously. What do yo umean "use the sdk manager over ssh"?!?!? You mean with x forwarding?
Aug 28 13:42:27 <Estel> Moony22: http://tools.android.com/recent/updatingsdkfromcommand-line
Aug 28 13:42:47 <Moony22> Estel: thanks and rgr I guess that could work
Aug 28 13:42:53 <rgr> maybe thats what he means.
Aug 28 13:43:14 <rgr> I doubt it ... x forwarding sucks ;)
Aug 28 13:43:18 <rgr> <ducks>
Aug 28 13:43:40 * xximjasonxx watches nothing be thrown rgr way
Aug 28 13:43:56 <Moony22> I'll try x forwarding first, then try it with no-uo
Aug 28 13:43:58 <Moony22> ui*
Aug 28 13:44:03 <gordon_> lol
Aug 28 13:44:04 <Estel> Moony22: the no ui stuff will be way easier
Aug 28 13:44:08 <gordon_> x forwarding ?
Aug 28 13:44:09 <Estel> especially if your CI is headless
Aug 28 13:44:10 <gordon_> ;)
Aug 28 13:44:28 <Moony22> Estel: alright
Aug 28 13:45:06 <rgr> it would be madness to use x forwarding IMO but good luck. All you probably want to do is update the sdk. use tbe no-ui option.
Aug 28 13:45:58 <Moony22> I'm trying that option now
Aug 28 13:46:23 <xan_IT> hi. on one Samsung SM-T211 my app has a problem about asyncTask. in particular complete the doInBackground with correct return but never been call onpostExecute and app freeze
Aug 28 13:48:48 <xan_IT> it's very strange, pls help me
Aug 28 13:48:54 <xximjasonxx> no exceptions?
Aug 28 13:48:58 <xximjasonxx> nothing in LogCat?
Aug 28 13:49:21 <xan_IT> no crash, only freeze app
Aug 28 13:49:25 <xan_IT> no log
Aug 28 13:49:27 <xan_IT> nothing
Aug 28 13:49:38 <xan_IT> help
Aug 28 13:49:47 <xximjasonxx> i find it hard to believe there is nothing in Logcat
Aug 28 13:49:51 <logan0405> ohh i found my problem.
Aug 28 13:49:52 <Estel> That's the sort of crash that I ignore and pretend doesn't exist >_>
Aug 28 13:49:54 <xan_IT> it's my boss device :'(
Aug 28 13:49:57 <xximjasonxx> Android is pretty good about dumping its contents
Aug 28 13:50:20 <Estel> xan_IT: do you have crashlytics or something handy installed?
Aug 28 13:50:21 <xximjasonxx> Estel: Unfortunately, I lack a magic wand to know what is going on. Is your bosses phone rooted or using a custom ROM?
Aug 28 13:50:22 <logan0405> the real old version of android im using doesnt have popup to view certificate/continue so it just crashes
Aug 28 13:50:34 <Estel> xximjasonxx: ^ xan_IT
Aug 28 13:50:43 <xximjasonxx> apologies
Aug 28 13:51:00 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: : Unfortunately, I lack a magic wand to know what is going on. Is your bosses phone rooted or using a custom ROM?
Aug 28 13:52:56 <xximjasonxx> Estel: from a UI perspective, if you hit an "edit" button, and then you saw two buttons, Cancel and Save
Aug 28 13:53:05 <xximjasonxx> in that order, would you find it weird. I usually like Save on the left side
Aug 28 13:53:36 <Estel> I think I like the positive button on the right
Aug 28 13:54:11 <xximjasonxx> sounds good
Aug 28 13:54:15 <Estel> Probably it depends on whether I'm in a LTR/RTL language
Aug 28 13:54:23 <xximjasonxx> its english, so ltr
Aug 28 13:54:36 <xximjasonxx> hrmm, seems he wanted us to just give him the answer
Aug 28 13:54:56 <xximjasonxx> i guarantee there is something in the LogCat
Aug 28 13:57:21 <xan_IT> sorry network problem
Aug 28 13:57:49 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: what IDE are you using?
Aug 28 13:57:59 <xan_IT> eclipse
Aug 28 13:58:10 <xan_IT> same app works fine with all other devices
Aug 28 13:58:18 <xan_IT> from samsung mini 2 to sony Z1
Aug 28 13:58:29 <xximjasonxx> could take the Estel approach and ignore it :)
Aug 28 13:58:37 <macTAR> eclipse is for noobs, go notepad
Aug 28 13:58:47 <xximjasonxx> macTAR: still for noobs
Aug 28 13:58:54 <xximjasonxx> filter dev/random and pipe the characters to a file
Aug 28 13:58:54 <macTAR> (:
Aug 28 13:58:57 <rgr> forgot the D
Aug 28 13:59:09 <xan_IT> same code works fine all other devices
Aug 28 13:59:15 <logan0405> notepad is for noobs
Aug 28 13:59:16 <logan0405> use vi
Aug 28 13:59:18 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: first thing is, calm down
Aug 28 13:59:27 <logan0405> hahah
Aug 28 13:59:36 <xximjasonxx> there is always a logical explanation, you just have to be calm enough to see it
Aug 28 13:59:38 <xximjasonxx> even with Android
Aug 28 13:59:54 <xximjasonxx> what is the result type of the Async operation
Aug 28 14:00:07 <xan_IT> result null
Aug 28 14:00:17 <xximjasonxx> so Void
Aug 28 14:00:41 <xximjasonxx> let me ask a better question, what does your AsyncTask class look like
Aug 28 14:00:46 <xan_IT> http://pastebin.com/1FRe4Nf3
Aug 28 14:00:48 <xximjasonxx> AsyncTask<int, int, Person>
Aug 28 14:01:21 <xximjasonxx> so Object
Aug 28 14:01:24 <xan_IT> in the last test is this
Aug 28 14:01:31 <xan_IT> same on Void
Aug 28 14:01:59 <Estel> And you've set a breakpoint: it returns the object but never reaches onPostExecute ?
Aug 28 14:02:30 <Estel> Oh, an AsyncTask with a sleep() is my favouritest thing!
Aug 28 14:02:52 <xximjasonxx> Estel: I am hoping this is just a simplification of the problem
Aug 28 14:02:55 <xximjasonxx> hoping
Aug 28 14:03:04 <xan_IT> this is a test asynctask
Aug 28 14:03:17 <xximjasonxx> so xan_IT what you are saying is on this one phone
Aug 28 14:03:26 <xximjasonxx> android freezes with no messages in the logcat
Aug 28 14:03:52 <xximjasonxx> and you effectively ANR the app
Aug 28 14:04:09 <xan_IT> on this tablet app freeze (no  crash, only black screen)
Aug 28 14:04:23 <xximjasonxx> and i am assu
Aug 28 14:04:32 <xximjasonxx> just for the record, cause i have to be sure
Aug 28 14:04:37 <xximjasonxx> you understand what i mean when i refer to the Logcat
Aug 28 14:04:39 <xximjasonxx> correct?
Aug 28 14:05:29 <xan_IT> yes.
Aug 28 14:05:44 <rgr> one day, just one day I'll really be able to predict how layouts will size to explicit width requests in the XML. Bah.
Aug 28 14:05:57 <xan_IT> i can print on pastebin all logcat messages
Aug 28 14:05:59 <Estel> rgr: any luck?
Aug 28 14:06:04 <xximjasonxx> ok, what is the exact android version you are using? build number and all
Aug 28 14:06:18 <xximjasonxx> on that phone
Aug 28 14:06:39 <xximjasonxx> it feels weird to debug Android code and write iOS code at the same time :)
Aug 28 14:06:46 <Moony22> Hello, I'm getting this problem with gradle: Task 'assembleDebug' not found in root project '116e64e98ebc5c68'.
Aug 28 14:06:52 <rgr> Yes. And what I hate. I quit intellij, restarted and it worked. f*ck this....
Aug 28 14:06:59 <rgr> :)
Aug 28 14:07:03 <xximjasonxx> rgr: funny how that works
Aug 28 14:07:06 <xximjasonxx> same with Xamarin studio
Aug 28 14:07:09 <xan_IT> android 4.4.2. Build KOT49H.T211XXBNF5
Aug 28 14:07:21 <Estel> rgr: ha :D
Aug 28 14:07:38 <deadmund> If I have "large" amounts of GUI to change based on user interaction (they click a button and all three GUI elements change in several ways) I should I achieve this?  Should I jsut make some .xml files and use setContentView() ?  (I want to animate the transitions in some very easy way as well).
Aug 28 14:07:40 <Estel> Moony22: that's a strange root project name. Is that actually it's name? O_O
Aug 28 14:07:50 <Moony22> Estel: er, no
Aug 28 14:07:57 <Estel> *its
Aug 28 14:08:02 <rgr> could it be the phone  itself caching resource definitions?
Aug 28 14:08:15 <rgr> maybe it was just a timeout thing. I dunno. frustrating.
Aug 28 14:08:28 <Estel> Moony22: are you running the gradle wrapper or some local gradle?
Aug 28 14:08:32 <Moony22> Estel: It's building from git
Aug 28 14:08:57 <Moony22> the gradle wrapper
Aug 28 14:09:06 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: out of curiousity, what happens if you try to update progress?
Aug 28 14:09:07 <Estel> Moony22: yeah but those should be separate steps. You check out the git repository and then separately do a build.
Aug 28 14:09:33 <xan_IT> xximjasonxx i can try
Aug 28 14:09:48 <Moony22> Estel: to be more clear, it's on a build server which somehow takes the source from a git remote
Aug 28 14:10:14 <Estel> okay, and it's checked the source out correctly?
Aug 28 14:10:41 <Estel> you can navigate the source on the build server and it's as you'd find it on your dev machine?
Aug 28 14:10:59 <lgsilva> hello. I'm trying to open the default android contact list from my app but I keep getting this error: android Permission Denial: starting Intent
Aug 28 14:11:16 <lgsilva> this is the code I'm using to start the intent: http://pastebin.com/nSHp45Wm
Aug 28 14:11:19 <xximjasonxx> lgsilva: sounds like you didnt ask for permission
Aug 28 14:11:32 <Moony22> Estel: It's as i'd find it on my dev machine, apart from a local.properties and a build folder
Aug 28 14:11:45 <lgsilva> on my android manifest there is a read contacts permission
Aug 28 14:12:11 <xximjasonxx> are you sure thats the only one you need?
Aug 28 14:12:43 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: also, what happens if you take out the thread.sleep
Aug 28 14:13:04 <lgsilva> xximjasonxx: not sure. what other permission would I need?
Aug 28 14:13:26 <Estel> lgsilva: where did you get that code?
Aug 28 14:13:29 <xximjasonxx> lgsilva: i was asking, doesnt look there are any others
Aug 28 14:13:43 <lgsilva> Estel: linphone source code
Aug 28 14:13:53 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: i dont have much more time i can spend helping. What did you get when you tried to call OnProgress
Aug 28 14:14:02 <xximjasonxx> and also what happens if you remove the Thread.Sleep
Aug 28 14:14:12 <xan_IT> xximjasonxx without sleep same error, and no enter on onProgressUpdate when i call publishProgress();
Aug 28 14:14:19 <Estel> lgsilva: I suspect you want to yse the ContactsContracts API
Aug 28 14:14:37 <Moony22> Estel: it works fine on the dev machine
Aug 28 14:14:59 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: I have no idea man.  That is a weird bug
Aug 28 14:15:21 <xximjasonxx> It might just be Android for that particular build.  Can you update your bosses Android?
Aug 28 14:15:42 <xan_IT> i try to make simple app only with asyncTask, and works :'(
Aug 28 14:16:06 <xximjasonxx> does the code you posted to pastebin work
Aug 28 14:16:48 <xan_IT> no
Aug 28 14:17:04 <xan_IT> same code on simple example app works, on my work app no
Aug 28 14:17:10 <xan_IT> *not
Aug 28 14:17:15 <Moony22> any idea what 116e64e98ebc5c68 is supposed to be?
Aug 28 14:17:18 <rgr> Hmm. Despite my previous doubt Im now clearer as to why fragments are better. Even if only to force you to be cleverer about localising sub module code with their respective UIs. Fragments get the thumbs up.
Aug 28 14:17:18 <xximjasonxx> sorry man, wish i could help
Aug 28 14:17:29 <Estel> Moony22: is it the folder that the source is in? COUld be a git revision id
Aug 28 14:17:34 <xximjasonxx> i have to get back to work
Aug 28 14:17:42 <xximjasonxx> falling behind, this screen and another needs to be done today :)
Aug 28 14:18:00 <rgr> Moony22: a hex number.... Im afraid my maven/library version identity memory is a little poor...
Aug 28 14:18:01 <FrancescoV> I have a webview, is it possible to capture clicks on images in the html?
Aug 28 14:18:24 <Moony22> Estel: I checked git log, it's not
Aug 28 14:18:27 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: if you can run your simple test on his phone and it works, it is something you are doing.  I would start commenting stuff out so it works
Aug 28 14:18:37 <xximjasonxx> but if it flat doesnt work period, then its likely an Android bug for that build
Aug 28 14:19:17 <Estel> Moony22: does ./gradlew tasks say anything fin?
Aug 28 14:19:28 <rgr> three fragments. I'm starting to get the hang of this. Learning a lot and more and more by the day. Its starting to take shape! http://imgur.com/PQENMRq
Aug 28 14:19:48 <Estel> FrancescoV: yes, but you'll need a javascript interface
Aug 28 14:20:11 <Moony22> I'll try it Estel
Aug 28 14:20:15 <Estel> rgr: gz :)
Aug 28 14:20:34 <rgr> gz?
Aug 28 14:20:51 <Estel> grats, congrats, congratulations
Aug 28 14:20:54 <VnM__> Lazy talk for congratulations
Aug 28 14:20:56 <rgr> :) Thanks!
Aug 28 14:21:06 <xan_IT> xximjasonxx problem found, is a bug of openmobileapi that freeze my app
Aug 28 14:21:09 <Estel> No regrets about laziness
Aug 28 14:21:20 <xximjasonxx> xan_IT: there you go
Aug 28 14:21:28 <xximjasonxx> tell your boss to get a new phone
Aug 28 14:21:34 <byt89> Hi. What is the best way to listen to cell changes when the phone is sleeping?
Aug 28 14:21:37 <rgr> As a hardcore emacs user for years I simply could not imagine using it for a complex Java API and app deployment and debugging. IntelliJ impresses me more and more every day.
Aug 28 14:21:49 <FrancescoV> Estel: do you have iOS experience?
Aug 28 14:21:58 <Estel> FrancescoV: some
Aug 28 14:22:11 <xximjasonxx> rgr: exactly how i felt and why i gave Eclipse the boot
Aug 28 14:22:28 <xximjasonxx> rgr: and why Google used IntelliJ as the foundation for Android Studio
Aug 28 14:22:46 <xximjasonxx> rgr: I really dont understand why people stick with Eclipse but, to each their own
Aug 28 14:22:59 <byt89> I use Eclipse :(
Aug 28 14:23:04 <byt89> haha
Aug 28 14:23:16 <FrancescoV> Estel: in the iOS app, shouldStartLoadWithRequest is used for handling the click event, which works. I found that shouldOverrideUrlLoading (webviewclient) works the same way on Android, is that right?
Aug 28 14:23:19 <xximjasonxx> byt89: if it works for you, I just think Studio and IntelliJ are better options
Aug 28 14:23:44 <Moony22> Estel: http://pastebin.com/0DTwK0Fm
Aug 28 14:23:47 <VnM__> Yeah FrancescoV
Aug 28 14:24:06 <byt89> xxiamjasonxx: I tried to switch to Studio, but not knowing all the shortcuts made me insane
Aug 28 14:24:21 <rgr> xximjasonxx: I tried eclipse. it's a mess as a direct result of incremental improvements. As a new user to it I found it be inconsistent, buggy and ugly. Intellij had a learning curve but now? best I've used.
Aug 28 14:24:41 <xximjasonxx> rgr: did you try Android Studio yet?
Aug 28 14:24:42 <rgr> byt89: the main shortcuts are a half hours work to learn :)
Aug 28 14:24:50 <rgr> xximjasonxx: no. because I like it more "generic".
Aug 28 14:24:55 <xximjasonxx> rgr: fair enough
Aug 28 14:24:59 <Moony22> Estel: looks like assembleDebug is ther
Aug 28 14:25:00 <Moony22> there*
Aug 28 14:25:14 <byt89> rgr: yeah of course.
Aug 28 14:25:14 <xximjasonxx> byt89: see I am a .NET as well and I rely heavily on ReSharper in Visual Studio
Aug 28 14:25:31 <xximjasonxx> since the same companies makes both products, the keyboard shortcuts translated from Visual Studio to IntelliJ/Studio
Aug 28 14:25:39 <FrancescoV> VnM__: ok thanks! i'll try it out
Aug 28 14:25:45 <rgr> But I can understand long time users of eclipse standing by it of course. But Intellij just says "its this way because its the best way". its keyboard navigation is brilliant too.
Aug 28 14:25:47 <Moony22> Maybe I should remove the :
Aug 28 14:25:48 <xximjasonxx> JetBrains is far and away pone of my favorite companies
Aug 28 14:25:56 <xximjasonxx> everything they make it rock solid and awesome
Aug 28 14:26:01 <rgr> yeah. Clever blokes.
Aug 28 14:26:15 <t0th_-> hi
Aug 28 14:26:25 <xximjasonxx> WebStorm for Angular and Node is a dream
Aug 28 14:26:30 <xximjasonxx> even RubyMine is a solid tool
Aug 28 14:26:33 <t0th_-> why my project.package.R is not generated?
Aug 28 14:26:37 <t0th_-> i dont have xml error...
Aug 28 14:26:55 <Moony22> maybe I need to specify
Aug 28 14:26:58 <Moony22> the project
Aug 28 14:27:24 <Estel> try that, but its convinced of the project name. I don't know masses about gradle, though
Aug 28 14:27:48 <njcomsec> i dont like the name gradle
Aug 28 14:27:57 <xximjasonxx> rgr: not lying, i went for an interview for an Android job. I was asked what editor I prefer.  They said to me, that while I woudnt be denied for saying Eclipse, no one uses it and its looked on with favorability
Aug 28 14:28:08 <xximjasonxx> njcomsec: i dont like your name :)
Aug 28 14:28:10 <Moony22> Estel: I *may* have solved it, for some reason I needed to do gradlew :app:assembleDebug
Aug 28 14:28:42 <Moony22> 1m:11s overtime
Aug 28 14:28:52 <xximjasonxx> the one thing lacking in Studio now is Gradle integration, though its leaps and bounds better than it was
Aug 28 14:29:18 <rgr> Hmm. Anyone that judges you on what IDE you use tends to be suspect - and anyone that refuses to use the company standard one a no no... :) That said I would refuse point blank to use Windows. But then Im not in IT anymore and can pick my return... I hope!
Aug 28 14:29:20 <Moony22> I'd never heard of gradle before android studio
Aug 28 14:29:39 <Moony22> rgr: You'd refuse to use windows in a job?
Aug 28 14:29:49 <xximjasonxx> rgr: still a lot of money in .NET development :)
Aug 28 14:30:00 * xximjasonxx just does everything
Aug 28 14:30:13 <rgr> Yes. Because I dont want to and I'm lucky enough not to have to. I left IT 13 years ago ;) I'm not a Linux fanatic or anything  : I just enjoy using it more.
Aug 28 14:30:44 <Moony22> rgr: o.O lucky that you can find such jobs :p
Aug 28 14:30:46 <xximjasonxx> rgr: I did the Linux thing years ago, frankly I gave it up when life got busy and I didnt have time to manage it
Aug 28 14:30:58 <xximjasonxx> granted its different now, so I could probably go back.  But i am quite comfy with Windows and Mac
Aug 28 14:31:00 * ravilov reboots into corporatw mandatory windows only for meetings :)
Aug 28 14:31:08 <rgr> I also think its healthy to have a mixed suite of dev OSen regardless of IDE just to cultivate that "Analyst that can use anything" feeling rather than sticking to one platform.
Aug 28 14:31:09 <xximjasonxx> ravilov: Parallels
Aug 28 14:31:45 <ravilov> what about it?
Aug 28 14:32:00 <xximjasonxx> run both at the same time, no booting required :)
Aug 28 14:32:25 <rgr> xximjasonxx: yes. It can be a lot of work. But now? Just works. Simple stuff like dd'ing over to a new disk installing grub and it "just working". Having a MySQL installed and running with an apt-get install. Etc. I love it. But i wont lie : there were times I hated it. Nvidia driver crashing etc. Black screen of death. Arrogant wankers in the #irc channels. You know the drill.
Aug 28 14:32:30 <perlsyntax> rgr,What did you do in IT?
Aug 28 14:32:54 <xximjasonxx> rgr: mmhmm, that drove be back to windows, that and the games :)
Aug 28 14:33:05 <rgr> evrything. from machine code z80 to Ada to C++ to our own language. Development Manager in the end. Burned out and walked out.
Aug 28 14:33:08 <xximjasonxx> of course now that I do mobile dev, being familiar with Mac is essential
Aug 28 14:33:31 <ravilov> perlsyntax, riiight, because obviously everyone has a mac
Aug 28 14:33:49 <rgr> Only people with ponytails have Macs. It's a fact.
Aug 28 14:33:51 <pfn> yep, I still have no desire to use a mac
Aug 28 14:34:08 <xximjasonxx> rgr: ill send you my picture, no ponytail here
Aug 28 14:34:13 <rgr> nooo....
Aug 28 14:34:15 <rgr> ;)
Aug 28 14:34:19 <Estel> None here either ^^
Aug 28 14:34:22 <byt89> Could it be that Google doesn't want developers to collect too much location data so they rely on the google servies and don't create their own location serivce?
Aug 28 14:34:24 <pfn> burned out on Solaris, too, it's a pity that opensolaris is dead
Aug 28 14:34:24 <perlsyntax> You make fun of me i use a  apple laptop and i start to like it.
Aug 28 14:34:25 <xximjasonxx> pfn: no iOS dev then I assume
Aug 28 14:34:41 <pfn> xximjasonxx, absolutely no interest in it
Aug 28 14:34:42 <rgr> ok, then a penchant for Starbucks and leeching free wifi in coffee shops? lol...
Aug 28 14:34:53 <pfn> robovm might make me interested, though
Aug 28 14:34:53 <xximjasonxx> pfn: I enjoy stacks of money so i have a great deal of interest in it
Aug 28 14:34:54 <Estel> Oh I definitely do that
Aug 28 14:35:01 <snowpong> Does anyone know what Android API level RenderScript requires. And what the relation is between the renderscript.target and the minSdkVersion and targetSdkVersion - if any?
Aug 28 14:35:05 <ravilov> perlsyntax, it's not the fact you use it, it's the fact you assume everybody else does too
Aug 28 14:35:13 <pfn> xximjasonxx, plenty of stacks to be found in android
Aug 28 14:35:15 <ravilov> because what else is there, right?
Aug 28 14:35:20 <xximjasonxx> pfn: more if you do both :)
Aug 28 14:35:22 <perlsyntax> i see
Aug 28 14:35:30 <Estel> ravilov: not sure why you targetted perlsyntax? o_O
Aug 28 14:35:35 <pfn> xximjasonxx, more than enough in android
Aug 28 14:35:52 <ravilov> er
Aug 28 14:36:10 <perlsyntax> I start to like android but waiting for my pro android book to come in:)
Aug 28 14:36:12 <ravilov> perlsyntax, retell everything to xximjasonxx please
Aug 28 14:36:13 <ravilov> lol
Aug 28 14:36:23 <xximjasonxx> pfn: It took time but I got used to objective-c and i am learning swift
Aug 28 14:36:25 <Estel> :D
Aug 28 14:36:31 <rgr> Id love to try some iOS but I really wanted to learn some Java "by doing" and Android seemed the obvious choice. I still despise a lot of Java but its a nice language with single inheritance, generics, interfaces but thank god for developed IDEs like intellij. The days of using a manual for a programming language and APIs is long gone...... And nothing will ever ever ever convince me about GC. I still hate it.
Aug 28 14:36:54 <xximjasonxx> ravilov: what do i assune?
Aug 28 14:37:23 <ravilov> xximjasonxx, didn't you mention parallels?
Aug 28 14:37:33 <FrancescoV> I have an imageview which must be zoomable like x3. Somebody know a good lib for that or is it easy/possible to do it myself?
Aug 28 14:37:35 <xximjasonxx> i did when you said you boot into windows
Aug 28 14:37:43 <perlsyntax> I hope this app i working on will work out.:)
Aug 28 14:37:56 <ravilov> isn't parallela mac-only software?
Aug 28 14:38:01 <Estel> FrancescoV: yes, Chris Banes did one
Aug 28 14:38:01 <Estel> sec
Aug 28 14:38:03 <perlsyntax> it for android
Aug 28 14:38:06 <xximjasonxx> that is correct
Aug 28 14:38:38 <Estel> FrancescoV: https://github.com/chrisbanes/PhotoView ?
Aug 28 14:38:38 <ravilov> so can you see the assumption you're making here and why it's wrong?
Aug 28 14:39:02 <xximjasonxx> i assumed that you are running OSX and booting into Windows on occassion
Aug 28 14:39:12 <ravilov> yes
Aug 28 14:39:16 <perlsyntax> I was thinking of make a app that log thing on network and send a text to the phone let know someone in the network.
Aug 28 14:39:25 <ravilov> why in the world would you assume that?
Aug 28 14:39:46 <xximjasonxx> my experience has found that a larger number of persons use Mac or Windows versus Linux
Aug 28 14:39:52 <xximjasonxx> in particular in a work envirobment
Aug 28 14:39:53 <Estel> perlsyntax: the former bit is harder, and possibly not best suited to android
Aug 28 14:40:02 <FrancescoV> Estel: Thanks a lot!
Aug 28 14:40:20 <perlsyntax> Estel,So you don't think it would work out.
Aug 28 14:40:44 <xximjasonxx> ravilov: is there a particular reason you wish to draw this conversation out in this form when a simple "I dont use Mac, I am on Linux" would have sufficed?
Aug 28 14:40:46 <perlsyntax> I was just thinking of it.
Aug 28 14:40:55 <Estel> perlsyntax: well, it's technically possible! But depending on the sort of network, putting some monitoring software in the switch or router might be easier
Aug 28 14:41:32 <perlsyntax> Estel,really never thought of that.
Aug 28 14:41:46 <ravilov> xximjasonxx, just making sure you see the wrongness of your logic so that you never try to apply it again :p
Aug 28 14:42:16 <perlsyntax> Estel,Look like got alot of reading to do:)
Aug 28 14:43:01 <xximjasonxx> ravilov: i shall endeavor that you are on Linux for future conversations, but my point still stands
Aug 28 14:43:06 <xximjasonxx> *to remember
Aug 28 14:43:44 <rgr> xximjasonxx: the linux heads (and I am one) will always tell you the numbers are lies and 10% are using Linux etc. Its bullshit. And its not suited to most people since even the fanboi wonder distros are a problem for many. You can stick Ubuntu where the snu dont shine IMO ;) I dont miss game playing - I have a PS3 for that.... plus Im too old to play game really... <heads back to Thief on the pS3..>
Aug 28 14:44:18 <xximjasonxx> rgr: I thought that too, then I got back in Starcraft
Aug 28 14:44:34 <xximjasonxx> which I am awful at, my girlfriend cant understand why I like getting beat so consistently
Aug 28 14:44:35 <xximjasonxx> :)
Aug 28 14:44:41 <xximjasonxx> *into
Aug 28 14:45:10 <Mavrik> Ubuntu <3
Aug 28 14:45:48 <xximjasonxx> i gave up Linux about 5-6yrs ago. Never went back to it, mainly because my Windows and Mac machines run so well, never really made it an option
Aug 28 14:45:49 <rgr> Ubuntu is African for one bug fixed three introduced and release anyway...
Aug 28 14:46:02 <xximjasonxx> rgr: swahelli
Aug 28 14:46:03 <mattblang> rgr lol!!
Aug 28 14:46:24 <pfn> I find ubuntu pretty great
Aug 28 14:46:28 <pfn> too many haters
Aug 28 14:46:35 <rgr> I like Debian. Clean. Tends to work. Good irc support. You should really compare the difference in advice between #ubuntu and #debian. It's laughable.
Aug 28 14:46:38 <xximjasonxx> ubuntu has really changed the perception of Linux
Aug 28 14:46:45 <Estel> Jeez, is this #android-dev or not? Surely we only use AIDE.
Aug 28 14:46:55 <xximjasonxx> from the realm of the geeks to something any user can pick up and use
Aug 28 14:47:04 <perlsyntax> ?
Aug 28 14:47:05 <rgr> For the worse IMO. Loads of people try it and find its not that great and doesnt solve all the issues and wander back to Windows.
Aug 28 14:47:31 <xximjasonxx> rgr: well its the same issue Microsoft is facing in mobile phones
Aug 28 14:47:36 <perlsyntax> i thought it was a android room.
Aug 28 14:47:51 <xximjasonxx> most users have bought into Windows or Mac, and making that shift requires a lot of relearning
Aug 28 14:47:57 <Estel> perlsyntax: yeah, but everyone gets bored talking about only Android xD
Aug 28 14:47:57 <xximjasonxx> tends to be a turn off to a lot of people
Aug 28 14:47:59 <Mavrik> rgr, heh, that's wierd
Aug 28 14:48:05 <rgr> The bottom line being to use Linux you have to do a lot for yourself. But when you do the control and knowledge is a great thing. From writing bash scripts to deploy code to a web server to emacs "just working"... lol....
Aug 28 14:48:10 <Mavrik> considering there's practically no difference between Debian and Ubuntu :D
Aug 28 14:48:20 <perlsyntax> Estel,sorry about that i didn't know:)
Aug 28 14:48:21 <Mavrik> I find this Ubuntu hate thing to be wierd.
Aug 28 14:48:35 * VnM__ renames #android-dev to #os-talk
Aug 28 14:48:47 <xximjasonxx> perlsyntax: you will find most of the chats on freenode tend to be open to general tech talk
Aug 28 14:48:50 <ravilov> in my experience the only people that use a mac are (unlucky) students, freelancers and artists (or "artists"); I am aware my experience is limited though
Aug 28 14:48:53 <xximjasonxx> just dont get political
Aug 28 14:49:06 <xximjasonxx> ravilov: as is mine
Aug 28 14:49:08 <rgr> There are huge differences. Mainly in the support and release polices. Ubuntu is ok  - I just find it be in denial and papering over the cracks rather than admit to them and to fix things in a decent proper manner rather than rushing to the next fixed in stone release date.
Aug 28 14:49:18 <xximjasonxx> the whole iPhone exploding in popularity definitely helped the cause though
Aug 28 14:49:21 <rgr> I dont hate Windows btw. Or Mac.
Aug 28 14:49:28 <ravilov> er, of course they do, freenode is a technically oriented network
Aug 28 14:49:31 <Estel> All operating systems are lovely and awesome :3
Aug 28 14:49:31 <xximjasonxx> and there is something to be said for Apple controlling the hardware so heavily
Aug 28 14:49:38 <rgr> heh. thats the truth.
Aug 28 14:49:46 <perlsyntax> i thought that was windows.
Aug 28 14:49:55 <byt89> Who owns a Thinkpad?
Aug 28 14:49:57 <rgr> Windows doesnt control the HW at all.
Aug 28 14:49:59 * xximjasonxx loves the people that compare $500 windows laptops in Best Buy to $2000 MBO
Aug 28 14:50:00 <rgr> I do.
Aug 28 14:50:02 <xximjasonxx> *MBP
Aug 28 14:50:10 <byt89> ^^
Aug 28 14:50:23 <xximjasonxx> byte, I did
Aug 28 14:50:25 <perlsyntax> MBP rock i think.
Aug 28 14:50:28 <xximjasonxx> gave it to my Mom last year
Aug 28 14:50:31 <rgr> Thinkpads run Debian very nicely generally. I use an x121e half the time for my android dev challenge.
Aug 28 14:50:40 * xximjasonxx still has to field questions about Windows 8
Aug 28 14:50:55 <Estel> The guy sitting next to me at this company still insists all Macs are hilariously overpriced. But he also hasn't found anything nearly as good as an Air at a similar price...
Aug 28 14:51:07 <xximjasonxx> rgr: my biggest problem with Linux on laptops back in the day was display
Aug 28 14:51:15 <xximjasonxx> Estel: surface opro is supposed to be pretty comparable
Aug 28 14:51:21 <Mavrik> Heh.
Aug 28 14:51:26 <perlsyntax> I rem use red hat 6 is the old days.
Aug 28 14:51:29 <rgr> Estel: thats a common lie from Mac haters. The HW is superb and very competitively priced at the top level.
Aug 28 14:51:30 <Mavrik> Yeah, there's bunch of stuff in Air segment now that's worth looking at
Aug 28 14:51:39 <Mavrik> But for other segments it's really sad
Aug 28 14:51:49 <xximjasonxx> rgr: indeed, I was looking at some Lenovos the other day with comparable specs
Aug 28 14:51:54 <Estel> I'm annoyingly tempted to get a Surface Pro 3 because shiny :(
Aug 28 14:51:54 <Mavrik> Lenovo has like 50 different models, none of which comes close to rMBP15
Aug 28 14:51:55 <xximjasonxx> in general Apple was a bit cheaper
Aug 28 14:52:06 <xximjasonxx> Estel: dont. I Have a surface 2
Aug 28 14:52:10 <xximjasonxx> not happy with it
Aug 28 14:52:11 <Mavrik> They're not even capable of clearly explaining what the fuck are they selling
Aug 28 14:52:12 <Mrdarknezz> How do I get a UNIX timestamp from Joda time datetime object?
Aug 28 14:52:22 <rgr> xximjasonxx: with Linux in general with anything other than a vesa compliant card..... ATI is still a nightmare for many. And many still manage to screw up nvidia as a result of out of date Wiki info and xorg differences between distros.
Aug 28 14:52:23 <perlsyntax> Mavrik,I came close to get a air laptop.
Aug 28 14:52:23 <Estel> xximjasonxx: but bigger screen! :(
Aug 28 14:52:50 <xximjasonxx> Estel: maybe the Pros are better, my Surface goes to sleep half the time and its a PITA to wake it up
Aug 28 14:52:52 <VnM__> Meh I rather a laptop than a tablet, only use my tablet for reading
Aug 28 14:52:57 <xximjasonxx> rgr: the shared display killed me
Aug 28 14:53:03 <rgr> shared display?
Aug 28 14:53:19 <Estel> xximjasonxx: Pros make all the difference if it's running non-RT windows
Aug 28 14:53:19 <xximjasonxx> rgr: onboard, somethiung, Intel did a lot of it
Aug 28 14:53:28 <DrSkyLizard> For reading you only need a display that wirelessly connect to a data storage, a tablet is overkill
Aug 28 14:53:31 <xximjasonxx> VnM__: tablets are conferences are amazing
Aug 28 14:53:35 <xximjasonxx> *at
Aug 28 14:53:47 <xximjasonxx> My laptop only leaves the hotel room if I am speaking or leaving
Aug 28 14:53:54 <rgr> Im using onboard Intel HD something or other now in my new machine. Works great. And a dd from my laptop "just worked" on my new i7 etc. Super.
Aug 28 14:53:55 <VnM__> I can play Angry Birds on my mobile too during conferences, don´t need a big screen
Aug 28 14:53:59 <perlsyntax> android phones are getting better i think:D
Aug 28 14:54:03 <xximjasonxx> rgr: this was like 10yrs ago
Aug 28 14:54:26 <rgr> Sure. I was using nvidia then ... many a BSOD when the kernel changed....
Aug 28 14:54:54 <Estel> Mrdarknezz: .getMillis() ?
Aug 28 14:55:03 <xximjasonxx> rgr: like i said, the times i have installed Linux its been better. Problem is now, all of my machines work so well, I just dont have any need to run a different OS
Aug 28 14:55:08 <rgr> then the best was when I couldnt recompile the NVidia kernel because the gcc installed was too new. Nightmare...
Aug 28 14:55:21 <xximjasonxx> and knowing Linux is unlikely to hugely increase career advancement
Aug 28 14:55:28 <xximjasonxx> i still know it well enough to be dangerous
Aug 28 14:55:40 <rgr> depends. You can use it for android apps just fine ;)
Aug 28 14:55:43 * xximjasonxx will still do a lot of system stuff from terminal instead of the gui
Aug 28 14:56:05 <perlsyntax> xximjasonxx,Why i leave linux was the wireless card for linux wouldn't work:)
Aug 28 14:56:25 <xximjasonxx> perlsyntax: can you rephrase that? it looked like perl syntax :)
Aug 28 14:56:42 <xximjasonxx> ohh wait, now i understand it
Aug 28 14:56:58 <perlsyntax> Sorry about that.
Aug 28 14:57:15 <xximjasonxx> ok time for me to do actual work and you guys are way too distracting
Aug 28 14:57:39 <Estel> Nearly home time...
Aug 28 14:57:59 <xximjasonxx> 10am here
Aug 28 14:58:01 <rgr> perlsyntax: you probably just needed to install the right firmware or cough up 20 bucks for a compatible wifi card/dongle...
Aug 28 14:58:04 <mattblang> Estel where you at?
Aug 28 14:58:13 <Estel> uk
Aug 28 14:58:55 <Mrdarknezz> Estel: thanks
Aug 28 14:58:57 <perlsyntax> rgr,That why i went to apple.
Aug 28 14:59:07 <mattblang> dang it, im in such a dilemma.  my nav drawer switches between activities.  the switch is jerky if I don't add in some logic to let the drawer animation finish, but then I'm adding artificial delay which also seems ridiculous
Aug 28 14:59:26 <ravilov> MBPs are seriously overpriced lumps of metal :p
Aug 28 14:59:38 <ravilov> hah, bad timing, he left
Aug 28 14:59:38 <perlsyntax> I got my on sale.
Aug 28 14:59:52 <Mavrik> hmm, I just bought one
Aug 28 14:59:58 <perlsyntax> I just don't want to get anyone upset at me.
Aug 28 15:00:03 <Mavrik> noone else really offered anything better for less money :)
Aug 28 15:00:15 <Mavrik> plus, it's less than a months pay so it's ok :)
Aug 28 15:00:16 <ravilov> perlsyntax, it will probably happen anyway because people are people
Aug 28 15:00:20 <rgr> you went to apple because you didnt know how to get wifi working? Thats pretty extreme.
Aug 28 15:00:37 <perlsyntax> That not why i went to apple.
Aug 28 15:00:48 <Mavrik> rgr, I find that perfectly reasonable after a point
Aug 28 15:01:11 <Mavrik> paying 200EUR more for something that's not gonna waste 3 days of setting up isn't all that much
Aug 28 15:01:13 <perlsyntax> Nope i  want to try something new.
Aug 28 15:01:13 <ravilov> aren't wifi cards in most today's laptops like... modular
Aug 28 15:01:14 <ravilov> ?
Aug 28 15:01:29 <rgr> I find it ridiculous. There must be more of a reason for that. Nothing wrong with saying "I like Apple" but to change OS and infrastructure because you had a wifi card that didnt work "out of the box" does not compute....
Aug 28 15:01:34 <ravilov> Mavrik, dunno, for me 200 EUR is a crapload of money right now
Aug 28 15:02:12 <rgr> ravilov: modular? Not sure what that means. But it costs 10 euro for a usb wifi card that works direct from the base kernel.
Aug 28 15:02:21 <rgr> s/card/stick
Aug 28 15:02:30 <Mavrik> rgr, I think most people just do that because it's way easier to replace laptop with an Apple one with customized OS that works than to look up through commonly obsolete Wikis on the web on which card works
Aug 28 15:02:42 <Mavrik> also, finding out the actual chipset inside a laptop model can be frigging annoying
Aug 28 15:02:44 <ravilov> it means it's a tiny daughterboard plugged into minipci or something to that effect
Aug 28 15:02:49 <ravilov> and can be replaced reasonably easily
Aug 28 15:03:06 <t0th_-> how i can solve the : java.lang.IllegalStateException: Recursive entry to executePendingTransactions on super.onBackPressed ?
Aug 28 15:03:34 <ravilov> t0th_-, that question is entirely pointless without some code
Aug 28 15:03:40 <ravilov> you're not new here, you should know this by now
Aug 28 15:03:40 <Bonfi> Hi, It's the first time I'm using google play to publish an app and I have a question regarding the beta test apk function. Can I use it to test the ads in my app? I read a while ago that most avdvertisement network don't count ad impressions untill the app is uploaded and live on the store so I'm not sure if the beta test is considered "as live as" a normal published apk."
Aug 28 15:03:45 <Bitwise> Hello. I'm trying to make an imageview take up the entire screen, including the title bar. The current code I have works except that the image doesn't cover the title bar also. http://pastebin.com/nuxh8v3L
Aug 28 15:03:51 <t0th_-> the error is on super.onBackPressed
Aug 28 15:03:56 <Mavrik> Bonfi, Beta test is considered live
Aug 28 15:05:03 <Bonfi> Mavrik: Let the tests begin :3 Thanks!
Aug 28 15:05:48 <rgr> Mavrik: if it were that bad I would agree. But its not. If you want new HW then its easy to find out which works : and most will. OK Im conservative and stick with Thinpads for my laptop. But my new i7 machine worked immediately with me simply dd'ing my old HD over to the new ssd. Just worked. But yes if someone doesnt want to do any work or research then a "ready made Apple" is significantly easier if a lot more expensive for many .
Aug 28 15:08:16 <Mavrik> rgr, I don't agree on that.
Aug 28 15:08:46 <Mavrik> looking up every single laptop model to see exactly which chipsets carries so I know if Linux works is ridiculus
Aug 28 15:08:59 <Mavrik> it's the reason I stopped using Linux as my main platform
Aug 28 15:09:09 <ravilov> that's why you can go with brands - thinkpads are largely reliable
Aug 28 15:09:19 <perlsyntax> Mavrilk,I see your point.
Aug 28 15:09:23 <Mavrik> Which of the 50 different models?
Aug 28 15:09:27 <ravilov> all of them?
Aug 28 15:09:33 <ravilov> that's my point
Aug 28 15:09:35 <Mavrik> Riight.
Aug 28 15:09:48 <ravilov> I have yet to see a thinkpad that doesn't work well with linux
Aug 28 15:09:57 <Mavrik> Try grabbing any with dual GPU stack.
Aug 28 15:10:00 <ravilov> and I've gone through many, thinkpads are my company's official laptops
Aug 28 15:10:22 <ravilov> I might try to find one at work
Aug 28 15:10:22 <Mavrik> Plus, the model differentiation Lenovo does it dumb as hell
Aug 28 15:10:35 <Mavrik> you either have a shitty light office laptop or a huge heavy brick with discrete GPU
Aug 28 15:10:39 <ravilov> eh, apple does other dumb things, nobody is perfect
Aug 28 15:10:48 <Mavrik> Yes, yes they do.
Aug 28 15:10:50 <p_l> Mavrik: X-series are quite nice small ones
Aug 28 15:11:13 <p_l> they are not "zomg light", but frankly speaking I don't think I'd like one ;)
Aug 28 15:11:34 * ravilov is using an X series and I don't feel it being underpowered in any conicevable way
Aug 28 15:11:47 <Mavrik> well
Aug 28 15:11:48 <ravilov> in fact many things that I wouldn't think would run do run pretty smoothly
Aug 28 15:11:51 <t0th_-> i  have a intent extras , on my method onResume i need get it again?
Aug 28 15:12:03 <Mavrik> no discrete GPU, crappy Intel 4400 inside (not even Iris) and maxiumum 8GB of RAM
Aug 28 15:12:16 <Mavrik> it might work for office work but it's really not a performance powerhouse
Aug 28 15:12:17 <ravilov> for me that's way more than plenty
Aug 28 15:12:21 * p_l looks at his thinkpad X with 12G of ram
Aug 28 15:12:22 <ravilov> and I do all kinds of stuff
Aug 28 15:12:40 <Mavrik> p_l, just looking at specs on site, it's possible I got lost :P
Aug 28 15:12:55 <ravilov> you shouldn't pay attention to those really
Aug 28 15:13:06 <ravilov> those just tell you "we'll sell it to you with a max of 8 GB"
Aug 28 15:13:06 <Mavrik> O.o
Aug 28 15:13:07 <p_l> Mavrik: 8G is maximum on intel cpu per ddr bank, because for some reason they crossed certain signal lines
Aug 28 15:13:13 <ravilov> doesn't mean it can't work with more
Aug 28 15:13:23 <p_l> meaning you can't put in single-rank 16G modules
Aug 28 15:13:26 <Mavrik> mhm
Aug 28 15:13:36 <Mavrik> and they still have that silly 4GB soldered thing going on right?
Aug 28 15:13:41 <Mavrik> no way to get 8GB soldered and free slot?
Aug 28 15:13:43 <ravilov> mine doesn't
Aug 28 15:13:46 <p_l> but if you have two modifiable banks (like X230), you can put in 2×8
Aug 28 15:13:57 <ravilov> mine has 8GB in a single, removable module
Aug 28 15:14:01 <Mavrik> I only see X1 Carbon, X240 and X140e listed on their site
Aug 28 15:14:09 <Mavrik> and only X1 Carbon is available for purchase
Aug 28 15:14:13 <Mavrik> (where I live)
Aug 28 15:14:18 <p_l> Mavrik: I'd hit ebay :P
Aug 28 15:14:20 <ravilov> yeah they drop support for them quickly
Aug 28 15:14:21 <ravilov> sadly
Aug 28 15:14:26 <ravilov> well, not support
Aug 28 15:14:26 <Mavrik> p_l, yeah
Aug 28 15:14:28 <ravilov> just availability
Aug 28 15:14:36 <Mavrik> see, I just went to nearest apple store and grabbed a box off a shelf :/
Aug 28 15:14:39 <ravilov> I happen to have X230
Aug 28 15:14:42 <p_l> Mavrik: if you want small with optimus, Zenbooks
Aug 28 15:14:55 <Mavrik> mhm, my GF has a Zenbook, nice machine that
Aug 28 15:15:06 <ravilov> Mavrik, well of course you did, if you went specifically to an apple store what else would you get but a mac? :p
Aug 28 15:15:06 <p_l> also, do not buy factory-installed SSDs, buy a good one from another source
Aug 28 15:15:08 <Mavrik> hmm, also Vaio Z series is gone O.o
Aug 28 15:15:15 <ravilov> but before that you had to DECIDE you want to apple and are going to their store
Aug 28 15:15:18 <p_l> except maybe for the raid1 ssds in zenbook
Aug 28 15:15:21 <Mavrik> ravilov, there is no Lenovo store around :/
Aug 28 15:15:32 <ravilov> sucks
Aug 28 15:15:36 <Mavrik> ravilov, and most stores hold only cheap crap up to 800EUR or so
Aug 28 15:15:37 <p_l> Mavrik: latitude series are pretty good as well, IMO
Aug 28 15:15:45 <Mavrik> believe me, I really tried to get a decent laptop
Aug 28 15:16:00 <p_l> and whatever can be said about Dell, their internet shop for companies etc. is *great*
Aug 28 15:16:00 <Mavrik> but I guess for most of those manufacturers, being from a smallish country is a crime
Aug 28 15:16:03 <Bitwise> Hello. I'm trying to make an imageview take up the entire screen, including the title bar. The current code I have works except that the image doesn't cover the title bar also. I don't think a theme would work in this case because I want it to work outside of the app also (home screen for example). http://pastebin.com/nuxh8v3L
Aug 28 15:16:18 <p_l> Mavrik: buy from dell online as a company :D
Aug 28 15:16:21 <Mavrik> I can't do custom configurations, most models "aren't available", I get no support :P
Aug 28 15:16:31 <Mavrik> p_l, Dell is of opinion I have to go ask a local supplier for laptops
Aug 28 15:16:45 <Mavrik> which say they can't get the high end laptops :P
Aug 28 15:17:06 <p_l> Mavrik: Go for the corporate internet shop. At worst you'll have to pay extra for shipping
Aug 28 15:17:11 <Estel> Bitwise: a screenshot would be handy, do you mean the action bar?
Aug 28 15:17:33 <Bitwise> Estel, The bar at the very top of the screen, with the time and battery.
Aug 28 15:17:43 <Estel> Ahh, the status bar ^^
Aug 28 15:17:50 <Bitwise> Yes, that.
Aug 28 15:17:51 <Ashiren> Bitwise: requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE);
Aug 28 15:18:00 <Ashiren> (in activity)
Aug 28 15:18:09 <Ashiren> also getWindow().setFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN,WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN);
Aug 28 15:18:35 <Ashiren> in onCreate before setContentView() i believe
Aug 28 15:18:36 <Estel> Bitwise: did you read https://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/status.html ?
Aug 28 15:19:04 <Estel> .setSystemUiVisibility() looks nice, assuming you're > JB
Aug 28 15:19:28 <Bitwise> I don't want to hide the status bar. What I'm looking to do is placement a semi-transparent image on top of everything, including other apps, homes screen, status bar, etc.
Aug 28 15:19:46 <Bitwise> Similar to what Facebook's messenger app does.
Aug 28 15:20:19 <Bitwise> Like one of those broken screen apps.
Aug 28 15:20:50 <rgr> You mean the chatheads?
Aug 28 15:21:06 <ravilov> Mavrik, they don't care about the size of the country, they only care about how often people buy their stuff
Aug 28 15:21:36 <rgr> Bitwise: assuming you mean chatheads : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15975988/what-apis-in-android-is-facebook-using-to-create-chat-heads
Aug 28 15:23:09 <Bitwise> rgr, that's basically my code.
Aug 28 15:23:33 <Bitwise> Except I did TYPE_SYSTEM_OVERLAY
Aug 28 15:23:51 <rgr> basically?
Aug 28 15:25:41 <Bitwise> rgr, http://pastebin.com/nuxh8v3L
Aug 28 15:25:53 <FrancescoV> is there something I can use to see the internal storage of my app ? need to see the structure of files and dirs
Aug 28 15:26:46 <Mavrik> FrancescoV, rooted device and shell
Aug 28 15:27:42 <ravilov> Bitwise, android:theme="@android:style/Theme.Dialog"
Aug 28 15:27:44 <ravilov> or something like that
Aug 28 15:28:38 <javnut> whenever I record with the audiorecorder class and write it to a file, it seems to write the previous thing I recorded
Aug 28 15:28:44 <javnut> and not the current thing I'm recording
Aug 28 15:29:16 <ravilov> did you flush and close?
Aug 28 15:29:21 <ravilov> s/did/do/
Aug 28 15:43:12 <mattblang> so what do you do if you implement a nav drawer activity that loads in fragments, but depending on the screen you want fragments to take up different amounts of space?
Aug 28 15:43:24 <mattblang> something isn't quite clicking for me I dont think
Aug 28 15:45:49 <mattblang> so you have two areas that you can access via the nav drawer, but one has two fragments that take up half the screen each whereas another has two fragments with 1:2 weight or something
Aug 28 15:47:23 <mattblang> is this making any sense?
Aug 28 15:53:44 <aviran> Hello, when creating a shape and setting it's RGB color, the result on the devices looks very different, it's a different color basicly, is it just me or is it a known issue?
Aug 28 15:56:29 <Mavrik> aviran, what device.
Aug 28 15:56:39 <Mavrik> there's bunch of devices out there with significantly different screens
Aug 28 15:56:51 <aviran> samsung galaxy s3 and on genymotion
Aug 28 15:57:01 <Mavrik> and then there's bunch of manufacturers (cough, Samsung) which will purposefully oversaturate colors to make their screens look "nicer"
Aug 28 15:58:01 <aviran> Mavrik: still, the color i get has a very  different shade  from the color i've set...
Aug 28 15:58:29 <Estel> That can easily result from the device's calibration
Aug 28 15:58:46 <Mavrik> aviran, open the same color in browser
Aug 28 15:58:48 <Leeds> are you saying it looks different on different devices, or looks different from the emulator, or different from what you expected?
Aug 28 15:59:57 <aviran> a color taken from Photoshop looks very different on the emulator, the emulator doesnt have a brightess options so I'm assuming that android is doing something to the colors
Aug 28 16:02:21 <aviran> I have a selector with item, shape in it. I use it as a backgrounds for buttons, the problem is the colors are way off..
Aug 28 16:06:13 <ravilov> that sounds like it's very specific to your case
Aug 28 16:06:21 <ravilov> there is no reason the emulator would fiddle with colors
Aug 28 16:13:19 <g00s>  make sure you're using sRGB color space at least
Aug 28 16:15:28 <Leeds> oh, great... I'm meant to be giving a talk on the future of mobile on September 6th - Apple just announced their event for the 9th :)
Aug 28 16:18:01 <g00s> Leeds hehe well, you'll have everyone's attention because other announcers will wait until after apple :D
Aug 28 16:18:23 <g00s> step up to the micrphone :)
Aug 28 16:19:24 <Leeds> maybe I just stand up, say "watches and stuff", and walk off...
Aug 28 16:19:40 <Leeds> anyway, bedtime, got to actually write the talk tomorrow
Aug 28 16:23:57 <javnut> ravilov: thanks, I'll try flushing
Aug 28 16:24:25 <javnut> I close, but I didn't flush so far
Aug 28 16:27:35 <javnut> ravilov: nope, didn't help
Aug 28 16:29:07 <javnut> whenever I record with the audiorecorder class and write it to a file, it seems to write the previous thing I recorded and not the current thing I'm recording
Aug 28 16:32:33 <rgr> Are you really really really sure your wrote the new recording and not a buffer from the previous? Set a breakpoint at the point you do the save. Check.
Aug 28 16:35:50 <javnut> I don't know how to do breakpoints in with android yet, let me just paste the code
Aug 28 16:41:37 <javnut> http://pastebin.com/gLYcFEHr
Aug 28 16:43:03 <javnut> there's really no old buffer, because a new one is initialized everytime I press record
Aug 28 16:44:03 <Matsy> Hey everyone! I am having troubles running an Android Emulator on Mac OSX 10.10 using Android Studio. Emulator seems to be running, but no screen at all. Any ideas?
Aug 28 16:46:15 <blues-man> you see it in active processes?
Aug 28 16:46:30 <blues-man> are you using haxm?
Aug 28 16:47:10 <Matsy> ARM
Aug 28 16:47:28 <Matsy>   679 ??         0:27.17 /Applications/Android Studio.app/sdk/tools/emulator64-arm -avd Test2 -netspeed full -netdelay none
Aug 28 16:47:48 <Matsy> It's running, just doesn't do anything so it seems
Aug 28 16:52:16 <blues-man> Matsy, kill it and run it with same command line by terminal plus -verbose
Aug 28 16:53:10 <Matsy> Oh...
Aug 28 16:53:13 <Matsy> I was running it on Android W
Aug 28 16:53:15 <Matsy> Not L
Aug 28 16:53:23 <Matsy> That's why it didn't run
Aug 28 16:55:31 <blues-man> eheh
Aug 28 16:56:16 <kryssacek> Hi everybody - I have a little big problem - I need call execute of my class object (doInBackgroud) after every X seconds - how can I do it? Some master send me link  (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2857101/schedule-task-in-android) but it does not work :/
Aug 28 16:57:02 <MarkyC> Assume I have a layout: activity_main.xml with a FrameLayout (id=container). I push a fragment LoginFragment (with a complex fragment_login.xml) using the familiar `getFragmentManager.beginTransaction().add(R.id.container, new LoginFragment()).commit()`.
Aug 28 16:57:04 <MarkyC> How can I replace the LoginFragment with another fragment, say FooFragment? When I try `getFragmentManager.beginTransaction().add(R.id.container, new FooFragment()).commit()` I get a "specified child already has a parent error"
Aug 28 16:57:25 <javnut> kryssacek: check out threads
Aug 28 16:59:03 <ravilov> javnut, no idea then
Aug 28 16:59:11 <javnut> kryssacek: you have to override the run method of the runnable object of the thread and put whatever method you want to run in a while loop and call Thread.sleep(X); in the while loop
Aug 28 17:00:23 <javnut> new Thread(new Runnable() { public void run() { doInBackground(); Thread.sleep(X*1000); } }).start();
Aug 28 17:00:33 <javnut> kryssacek: something like that
Aug 28 17:00:51 <javnut> ravilov: so my code looks fine?
Aug 28 17:00:53 <kryssacek> the last what you write I should put in loop (while)?
Aug 28 17:01:28 <ravilov> javnut, I don't know, I haven't looked and I can't look right now
Aug 28 17:01:30 <javnut> yeah, put doInBackground(); in a loop, and put Thread.sleep(X*1000); after
Aug 28 17:03:54 <kryssacek> javanut: If I put myObject.execute() in while loop that app shut down with error message
Aug 28 17:05:10 <kryssacek> javnut: I am starting be desperate about that
Aug 28 17:05:15 <rgr> It does work. There are literally hundreds of examples of this on stackoverflow. Read up on runnables.
Aug 28 17:06:00 <rgr> but thats one of many ways to do this. The way to do it is in the ANSWER.
Aug 28 17:07:26 <kryssacek> rgr I try a lot of and every time when I put myobject.execute in while loop and thread.sleep - the activity does not show nothing without black display and after few second it will shut down - Only one think which can i do bad is that i write the runnable in oncreate method on her end
Aug 28 17:08:01 <rgr> I have no idea what you're doing without your code. Neither does anyone else. Put it in a pastebin and maybe someone will look. Explain what you are trying to do.
Aug 28 17:08:35 <rgr> And why are you using sleep? You said you wanted to run a task every X seconds. no need to sleep.
Aug 28 17:08:39 <kryssacek> I send a part of my code
Aug 28 17:08:47 <rgr> use pastebin
Aug 28 17:09:14 <rgr> Did you read and understand the code in the ANSWER in that link? Did you step through or set breakpoints using the debugger?
Aug 28 17:10:20 <rgr> If you're going to start doing background stuff you must read the documents and understand the pros and cons. Just "sleeping" things on the main thread will kill your program.
Aug 28 17:10:21 <kryssacek> http://www.paste.org/74400
Aug 28 17:10:45 <rgr> cant read it. use pastebin like I said. Im not turning adblocker off.
Aug 28 17:10:47 <kryssacek> in my method check - i send http request and recieve string ...
Aug 28 17:11:00 <kryssacek> Ok, I will copy on pastebing
Aug 28 17:11:04 <kryssacek> *pastebin
Aug 28 17:11:33 <rgr> I already know what this is going to be. Another http req on the mainthread <hopes not>
Aug 28 17:11:49 <kryssacek> http://pastebin.com/rRJdb1ER
Aug 28 17:12:23 <kryssacek> That doinBackground defined in my class - in external class file
Aug 28 17:12:44 <rgr> Are you joking?
Aug 28 17:13:06 <rgr> That code has nothing whatsoever to do with what you asked earlier and the answer I gave you AND you're not even using the thread t.
Aug 28 17:13:27 <rgr> you are sleeping the main thread. use the f*ing debugger and step through your code.
Aug 28 17:13:30 <rgr> sorry...
Aug 28 17:14:37 <kryssacek> How can i step it? I have that problem with Java for first time
Aug 28 17:15:18 <rgr> I'll be blunt : the code is awful and you havent even tried to understand what it is you are doing. You have created a thread you dont even use despite me suggesting a runnable with postDelay. You havent shown how this onPostExecute is used.
Aug 28 17:16:08 <rgr> I would suggest you do some tutorials and learn to use your IDE then ask specific questions. Learn what a thread is. Look up issues with the Android Main UI thread. Work from there. Good luck! it will come.
Aug 28 17:16:25 <kryssacek> rgr - I want to try postDelay just like you wrote but  Eclipse write that I can not use it
Aug 28 17:16:30 <r00s> kryssacek: add a breakpoint to a line by clicking next to it, and then run your app through the debugger
Aug 28 17:16:57 <rgr> kryssacek: I cant speak for eclipse or what you tried but you must learn how to use the IDE. Only you can do that.
Aug 28 17:17:24 <rgr> You must also.... learn Java.... use the Oracle tutorials.
Aug 28 17:17:32 <rgr> That code makes zero sense. Sorry.
Aug 28 17:17:35 <g00s> hi r00s !
Aug 28 17:17:35 <kryssacek> ök, thanks
Aug 28 17:17:45 <Napalm> hey g00s
Aug 28 17:17:48 <r00s> hello g00s ;-)
Aug 28 17:17:50 <g00s> hey Napalm
Aug 28 17:18:15 <kryssacek> bye
Aug 28 17:18:31 <Napalm> just tried to make a version of my app work on APIv4.. total fail.. i forgot how crappy the platform was
Aug 28 17:18:34 <Napalm> wont be doing that again
Aug 28 17:18:38 <rgr> just keep in mind any sleep() in the main thread is not good...
Aug 28 17:19:31 <Napalm> g00s: i mean Java 1.5.. so many things I now use are missing
Aug 28 17:19:34 <g00s> Napalm don't hurt ravilov 's feelings
Aug 28 17:20:09 <Napalm> why would I be hurting is feelings
Aug 28 17:20:24 <g00s> ravilov is an afficionado of older versions of android
Aug 28 17:20:40 <g00s> :)
Aug 28 17:20:55 <g00s> oh now he's all quiet
Aug 28 17:21:53 <rgr> for some reason. He also says 2.3 is the best version.... It takes all sorts :)
Aug 28 17:27:49 <deadmund> I am trying to label the two edges of my seekbar.  I created a horizontal linearlayout below it with two textviews inside.  How can I make textview1 left align in the parent and textview2 right align in the parent?
Aug 28 17:28:50 <valder21> hey all. Wondering if somebody can help me.  I"m trying to populate a double[] array on the Java side inside my JNI function.  I'm getting a SIGSEV error when I try to do so.  Here's my code for the JNI function: http://pastebin.com/hCXsDz8v  Here's my Java class: http://pastebin.com/92XhNt8a
Aug 28 17:28:53 <valder21> so it crashes on line 87
Aug 28 17:28:55 <valder21> Not sure how to figure why it crashes as I don't know how to get that information.
Aug 28 17:39:55 <subhojit777> I am new to android. I want to show google map in the app. I have followed steps/code written in http://www.androidhive.info/2013/08/android-working-with-google-maps-v2/. When I execute the app it stops saying "unfornately <app> has closed". Any idea how to debug this
Aug 28 17:40:47 <sarbs> subhojit777 https://developer.android.com/tools/help/logcat.html
Aug 28 17:41:05 <valder21> anybody here knowledgable with JNI?
Aug 28 17:41:13 <sarbs> valder21 there's only 28 lines in that paste
Aug 28 17:41:24 <valder21> which one?
Aug 28 17:41:34 <sarbs> oh lol i'm an idiot, sorry
Aug 28 17:41:46 <valder21> whew.. thanks
Aug 28 17:42:00 <valder21> I figure this should be a fairly simple thing to do.
Aug 28 17:42:20 <valder21> but without a live debugger of sorts, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Aug 28 17:43:09 <sarbs> you're farther along with jni than i am, sorry
Aug 28 17:43:54 <sarbs> as a total not-knowing-whats-wrong thing, i'd try DLOG'ing each of the values you're passing to that func. ptrs, deref'ed ptrs, etc
Aug 28 17:47:18 <rgr> subhojit777: you step through your app and set break points at criticial points. You discern where it crashes. Use logcat to help you.
Aug 28 17:47:55 <subhojit777> rgr, sarbs thanks was doing that. and yes I am using android studio
Aug 28 17:47:56 <javnut> http://pastebin.com/B07mYQhe so can anyone give me a hint why my code isn't saving the current thing I'm recording?
Aug 28 17:47:56 <valder21> rgr: I can't set a breakpoint in the JNI code otherwise I would have. (rather I don't know how)
Aug 28 17:48:07 <javnut> it seems to save some kind of cached recording
Aug 28 17:49:20 <valder21> rgr: i'm using Android Studio for this work.
Aug 28 17:49:40 <valder21> so what I want to do is create an instance of the RawAudioScores object and send it back to the Java code
Aug 28 17:49:51 <sarbs> valder21 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10534367/how-to-get-ndk-gdb-working-on-android seems relevant for debugging
Aug 28 17:50:39 <valder21> sarbs: thanks..
Aug 28 17:50:58 <valder21> I'm thinking my sigsev error is due to me not setting up the object properly
Aug 28 17:51:23 <valder21> the array definitely has values and I believe I've passed in the right count.
Aug 28 17:54:42 <rgr> valder21: I wasnt targetting you.
Aug 28 17:55:26 <valder21> rgr: no worries.. I'm still stuck nonetheless
Aug 28 17:57:01 <g00s> rxjava 0.12.2 already
Aug 28 17:57:08 <javnut> anybody? I'm using ubuntu if that helps
Aug 28 18:01:31 <heater89> I am currently trying to set a password field to show a character, then mask it after some time. Looks like this can be accomplished with PasswordTransformationMethod and various InputTypes. I am able to get this to work on non-kitkat devices. Is this something I am missing to get this to work?
Aug 28 18:02:24 <heater89> Using InputTypes: TYPE_TEXT_FLAG_NO_SUGGESTIONS | TYPE_CLASS_NUMBER | TYPE_NUMBER_VARIATION_PASSWORD
Aug 28 18:05:08 <Bitwise> Hello. How can I prevent an ImageView from rotating?
Aug 28 18:05:36 <Bitwise> I added the view to the window manager as a system overlay.
Aug 28 18:07:47 <rgr> Its a real shocker how many people say "Im making an app" and they dont know how to use the IDE to get javadoc, have no idea what the debugger is and can barely write a hello world in Java. I mean we all start somewhere but really. They just paste a load of code together from stackoverflow and expect to sell it on google Play ;) Its an eye opener! ;)
Aug 28 18:09:32 <Napalm> Bitwise: can you explain exactly what problem you are having?
Aug 28 18:10:10 <javnut> http://pastebin.com/B07mYQhe can anyone test out this code and tell me if it records properly?
Aug 28 18:10:17 <javnut> main.xml coming in a second
Aug 28 18:12:10 <javnut> http://pastebin.com/0FhvGv3C
Aug 28 18:12:13 <Bitwise> Napalm, I have this: http://pastebin.com/ppTpUaSy however when I rotate my device, the imageview rotates also. I don't want that to happen. I want the imageview to always be in portrait mode. I tried setting the android:screenOrientation and android:configChanges in the AndroidManifest for the service but that didn't work.
Aug 28 18:14:23 <javnut> you can use audacity to play temp.raw
Aug 28 18:15:43 <Looney> I am encountering a strange problem people
Aug 28 18:16:05 <Looney> I try to install Google Play Service on my phone
Aug 28 18:16:12 <Looney> it downloads 62%
Aug 28 18:16:39 <Looney> and then starts installation, instead of downloading it 100%
Aug 28 18:16:43 <Napalm> Bitwise: that wont work. What you actually need to do is to rotate the content of your view to the inverse of the orientation of the device.
Aug 28 18:16:47 <Looney> anyone else experience this
Aug 28 18:16:58 <Looney> tried removing many apps
Aug 28 18:17:08 <flan3002> Looney: How does this relate to Android application development?
Aug 28 18:17:21 <Looney> I have about 80-ish MB space for apps
Aug 28 18:17:25 <ravilov> g00s, it's easy to be quiet when I'm not even here :p
Aug 28 18:17:52 <g00s> ravilov just having a little fun ;)
Aug 28 18:17:53 <Looney> flan3002: because Play Services are needed for things like payments, maps etc
Aug 28 18:18:03 <Bitwise> Gahh, thought there would be a simpler way. Thanks Napalm! :D
Aug 28 18:18:05 <ravilov> yep I know
Aug 28 18:18:22 <Looney> and them not installing is a problem for me now  :-(
Aug 28 18:19:51 <g00s> Looney write your apps without play services :D
Aug 28 18:20:21 <Looney> I would if it wasn't the code given by a client for completion
Aug 28 18:21:44 <Napalm> Bitwise: it looks like it wouldn't be hard for you to implement
Aug 28 18:22:37 <Bitwise> Napalm, that isn't hard to impl at all, I just thought there was one method call I could make that would take care of everything.
Aug 28 18:22:56 <Looney> g00s: thanx for your patience  :-P
Aug 28 18:23:04 <Looney> got it installed
Aug 28 18:30:25 <MikeWallaceDev> good day All.  Does anyone have an idea how I can detect if the phone's cover is closed/opened?
Aug 28 18:32:35 <AKK9> Guys, a vague question im sorry but has much changed in the way of using SQL databases in android apps over the last couple of years?
Aug 28 18:32:51 <AKK9> All the good details guides and stuff are from a couple of years ago
Aug 28 18:32:57 <AKK9> Nothing really new I can find.
Aug 28 18:33:05 <AKK9> Are they decent enough to follow?
Aug 28 18:33:20 <lasserix> nothing new
Aug 28 18:33:25 <lasserix> tho you can check out schematic
Aug 28 18:33:36 <lasserix> which willl automatically create a content provider for your sqlite database
Aug 28 18:34:40 <AKK9> Cant find schematic on google
Aug 28 18:34:52 <AKK9> apart from a CAD app with the same name
Aug 28 18:35:26 <AKK9> Found it
Aug 28 18:35:27 <javnut> http://pastebin.com/fNHP1UBT http://pastebin.com/yR311s86
Aug 28 18:35:28 <javnut> help, I've been working on this all day
Aug 28 18:35:36 <AKK9> Thanks mate, will look at this
Aug 28 18:42:04 <teabuzz> Has anyone used 'voluntary monetization' that allows user to pay (through in-app purchase) but does not add features to the app?
Aug 28 18:42:28 <teabuzz> Don't see why it would be a problem but I am wondering if that's OK with Google Play Store
Aug 28 18:43:01 <Looney> if my phone doesn't has opengl es 2.0
Aug 28 18:43:05 <AKK9> Is it possible split up my database stuff instead of having all my methods and everything in one DatabaseHelper class?
Aug 28 18:43:16 <MikeWallaceDev> teabuzz:  it's not a problem, but you won't be able to mark your app as free
Aug 28 18:43:20 <Looney> then I have no alternate other than getting new phone, right ? ?
Aug 28 18:43:35 <teabuzz> So, you can't mark an app as free if it has in-app purchase?
Aug 28 18:43:38 <Looney> I do not think that it is like pushing software update
Aug 28 18:44:14 <MikeWallaceDev> Not sure when this will be enforced, but nope.
Aug 28 18:46:04 <StingRay_> from a use pov, I would like apps to be label "with ads" too
Aug 28 18:46:17 <teabuzz> MikeWallaceDev: So, it's not listed with free apps?
Aug 28 18:46:34 <MikeWallaceDev> nope
Aug 28 18:46:55 <MikeWallaceDev> and I like that decision by Google
Aug 28 18:48:06 <teabuzz> Yeah, it's pretty fair. Especially when our app will evenually become damn annoying to use without payment
Aug 28 18:48:34 <MikeWallaceDev> that's what they want to avoid (and why I like it)
Aug 28 18:51:43 <lasserix> Is there a way to make an intent / dialog that is like "No app found to handle this type of file, would you like to goto the play store and find an app to open this kind of file"?
Aug 28 18:52:31 <teabuzz> MikeWallaceDev: cool, thanks for the tip
Aug 28 18:53:10 <MikeWallaceDev> no problem
Aug 28 18:53:16 <lasserix> AKK9 sure use composition to encapsulate all the various functions you need to do
Aug 28 18:53:37 <lasserix> then you can use a singleton that delegates out to these functional classes
Aug 28 18:55:15 <AKK9> Alright thanks
Aug 28 19:01:13 <lasserix> Is there a way to make an intent / dialog that is like "No app found to handle this type of file, would you like to goto the play store and find an app to open this kind of file"?
Aug 28 19:08:35 <Sixmsj> anyone know how google does their floating attachment image above their text entry box in their hangouts app?
Aug 28 19:08:52 <Sixmsj> what kind of layout would that be
Aug 28 19:17:42 <pfn> relativelayout?
Aug 28 19:32:10 <killer> Hey , when i load an activity , the activity loads sounds of about 1.1Mb using soundpool,the loading time is about 3 seconds before the activity appears on the screen , any way to reduce that ?
Aug 28 19:32:28 <lasserix> dont load the sound from your ui thread
Aug 28 19:32:37 <lasserix> use an async task or something to load the sound
Aug 28 19:33:04 <killer> Currently I am loading it under onCreate
Aug 28 19:33:15 <lasserix> let your activity start immediatly, delay till sound loaded if you need too but users should always be able to interact with screen
Aug 28 19:33:16 <lasserix> yeah
Aug 28 19:33:23 <lasserix> use an async task from oncreate to load it or something
Aug 28 19:33:27 <lasserix> like that
Aug 28 19:34:11 <lasserix> you probably want to put it in a non-ui fragment wth setRetainInstanceState(true) so it doesn't get reloaded every screen orientation change/screen change
Aug 28 19:35:26 <killer> On pressing the buttons a sound is played , if Iload the ui first ,the user will not be able to play the sound for first 2-3 seconds,
Aug 28 19:35:37 <lasserix> yeah well that's life
Aug 28 19:35:52 <lasserix> you rather them have 3 seconds of your app being totally unresponsive?
Aug 28 19:36:05 <StingRay_> service for sound pool and play
Aug 28 19:36:10 <lasserix> just set button enabled(false) till the sounds load or if they click and its not loaded show a toast
Aug 28 19:36:15 <StingRay_> activity binds to it
Aug 28 19:37:12 <killer> seems ok to me
Aug 28 19:39:01 <aaearon> android studio seems to be compiling with java 1.6 but the project jdk location is set to 'C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_65', what gives?
Aug 28 19:40:21 <Zharf> aaearon, java has this thing called target and source level
Aug 28 19:42:33 <Farmakon> Hi, I'm trying to compile CWM for an unsupported device, is anyone available for some help?
Aug 28 19:46:09 <javnut> I just appended some raw pcm data to a wav file, and then played it with the mediaplayer class
Aug 28 19:46:12 <javnut> and it played fine
Aug 28 19:46:39 <javnut> all the way to the end, my question is why though, aren't you supposed to change the header
Aug 28 20:09:30 <LtRipley> hi
Aug 28 20:13:54 <LtRipley> i am using MediaPlayer to play soundfiles and use the OnCompletionListener to play another file, after the first is finished. But when in Sleep mode the song will end premature and the next song is playing. This happens on my Nexus 5, which seems to cause similar problems elsewhere http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19918118/mediaplayer-randomly-stops-on-android-4-4-19
Aug 28 20:14:02 <LtRipley> anyone has an idea how to debug this issue?
Aug 28 20:14:27 <LtRipley> i also registered an OnErrorListener but no events coming from that
Aug 28 20:17:21 <StingRay_> MediaPlayer in a service ?
Aug 28 20:17:38 <LtRipley> oh i gave another link than i thought, and this one has a solution in it i haven't tried yet. So maybe i should try that first
Aug 28 20:17:51 <LtRipley> StingRay_: no it is referenced by the Application class
Aug 28 20:18:09 <StingRay_> would it happen in a service… not sure
Aug 28 20:18:10 <StingRay_> ?
Aug 28 20:18:32 <StingRay_> think thats what most say to do when playing music that will/may be backgrounded
Aug 28 20:18:36 <LtRipley> i didn't find a good reason why it would not happen in a service
Aug 28 20:18:55 <LtRipley> but the MediaPlayer is asynchronuous anyways
Aug 28 20:19:16 <StingRay_> service ;)  try it
Aug 28 20:19:51 <StingRay_> not that I have done it, but when skim reading they all use service to bind to
Aug 28 20:20:05 <MikeWallaceDev> StingRay_:  service was the first thing that I thought too.. but she said that the second song does play... so I don't think that it's a service thing
Aug 28 20:20:39 <StingRay_> mPlayer could still be around an deliver some intent to play maybe
Aug 28 20:20:49 <samsamsam> You guys know of any app that has a nice form ?
Aug 28 20:21:03 <StingRay_> but either way, the design screams service anyways
Aug 28 20:21:10 <MikeWallaceDev> agreed
Aug 28 20:21:16 <LtRipley> StingRay_: I made sure that I only have one Listener at the same time, that was my first idea
Aug 28 20:21:26 <MikeWallaceDev> just saying that's probably not the immediate problem :)
Aug 28 20:21:45 <StingRay_> LtRipley any audio playing should be within a service from the (now 55 seconds) that I have read on the subject :)
Aug 28 20:21:54 <LtRipley> but the StackOverflow page suggests a Wake lock, and I realised i haven't tried that yet
Aug 28 20:22:32 <LtRipley> StingRay_: you have a link, that suggests why?
Aug 28 20:22:43 <StingRay_> why is quite obvious no ?
Aug 28 20:23:12 <LtRipley> no? I remember that I considered using a service and didn't see the benefit
Aug 28 20:23:25 <StingRay_> playing audio is an abstract action of an OS, not really bound to anything within an app that you would not want dynamically attached
Aug 28 20:23:30 <MikeWallaceDev> Life cycle :)
Aug 28 20:23:42 <StingRay_> yeah, in short what MikeWallaceDev said
Aug 28 20:23:43 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 20:23:47 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Aug 28 20:24:28 <MikeWallaceDev> But like I was saying LtRipley you do have two problems... One of them is your life cycle, you WILL have to fix that
Aug 28 20:24:37 <MikeWallaceDev> the other is your audio problem as mentioned
Aug 28 20:25:38 <LtRipley> i fail to see the life cycle issue, but i am not that experienced with android
Aug 28 20:26:02 <LtRipley> of course the sound stops when i quite the app. But I am fine with that
Aug 28 20:26:09 <Zolden> hi dudes
Aug 28 20:26:18 <MikeWallaceDev> basically when you are in sleep mode, your activity is stopped
Aug 28 20:26:19 <LtRipley> the sound will survive the destruction of the activity though
Aug 28 20:26:29 <Zolden> is it allowed here to ask people to try my first android game and ask for some feedback?
Aug 28 20:26:49 <LtRipley> but the same when i switch to landscape mode, that doesn't harm the MediaPlayer as it is globally referenced
Aug 28 20:26:56 <flan3002> Asking in #android might be more appropriate, Zolden.
Aug 28 20:27:04 <Zolden> ok, i'll try, ty
Aug 28 20:27:52 <MikeWallaceDev> it will eventually 'harm' the MediaPlayer as your Application can be killed
Aug 28 20:27:57 <StingRay_> LtRipley globally referenced does not provide what I think you think it does… use a service that can manage itself
Aug 28 20:28:00 <MikeWallaceDev> It just hasn't been so far
Aug 28 20:28:32 <MikeWallaceDev> Whereas a service will make your application stay alive
Aug 28 20:29:05 <LtRipley> in which scenario would that be the case?  when the app is freed because of memory shortage?
Aug 28 20:29:24 <MikeWallaceDev> yes
Aug 28 20:29:31 <LtRipley> and a service would prevent that?
Aug 28 20:29:37 <MikeWallaceDev> yes
Aug 28 20:29:51 <LtRipley> i thought services were having the same issues
Aug 28 20:30:04 <MikeWallaceDev> It basically marks your application as 'do not kill'
Aug 28 20:30:35 <MikeWallaceDev> if Android has to kill your service, then there are problems beyond your control
Aug 28 20:30:38 <LtRipley> ok thanks, i will revisit that part of the life cycle documentation and add a Todo :)
Aug 28 20:31:34 <LtRipley> up until now, i thought a service will only make my app more complicated
Aug 28 20:31:55 <MikeWallaceDev> put it this way LtRipley  let's say that there are 5 apps in memory, and Android has to kill 1. It will choose one and kill it.  If you app has a service, it will not be chosen
Aug 28 20:32:08 <smitzer> is it not allowed to round only one corner of a shape?
Aug 28 20:32:22 <LtRipley> MikeWallaceDev: then i should just have any service? :)
Aug 28 20:32:23 <MikeWallaceDev> Yes, that's why they created it. No value, just to make your app complicated.... sigh...
Aug 28 20:32:44 <MikeWallaceDev> sorry, I didn't understand the question?
Aug 28 20:32:53 <LtRipley> i didn't say i thought Services are useless in any instance
Aug 28 20:33:07 <MikeWallaceDev> Yes you did! :D hahaha
Aug 28 20:33:43 <LtRipley> "a service will only make _my_ app more complicated" opposed to "_any_ app" ;)
Aug 28 20:33:43 <MikeWallaceDev> what did you mean in your last question?
Aug 28 20:33:44 <SimonVT> A foreground service, not just any service
Aug 28 20:34:18 <LtRipley> MikeWallaceDev: ah SimonVT just answered it, whether i could just have any alibi service to make flag it as "do not kill"
Aug 28 20:34:55 <LtRipley> but you already convinced me to make it a service at some point
Aug 28 20:35:07 <SimonVT> It can still be killed
Aug 28 20:35:10 <SimonVT> It's just less likely
Aug 28 20:35:26 <LtRipley> i will solve that problem when it happens to me :)
Aug 28 20:35:40 <LtRipley> (or any user, should i get one)
Aug 28 20:36:00 <SimonVT> Expect your app to be killed at any point, handle it accordingly
Aug 28 20:36:29 <LtRipley> SimonVT: that is what a responsible developer would do!
Aug 28 20:36:42 <smitzer> is it not allowed to round only one corner of a shape? then why is it possible to set individual corners...?
Aug 28 20:38:14 <MikeWallaceDev> LtRipley: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html#ProcessLifecycle
Aug 28 20:40:26 <killer> I know something is wrong with parameters but don't know what, I am new to Asynctask http://pastebin.com/rrvh3wEB
Aug 28 20:40:29 <LtRipley> MikeWallaceDev: thanks a lot, i added the service-thing to my backlog
Aug 28 20:41:25 <killer> It is SoundPool instead of SoundPlay in pastebin (correction)
Aug 28 20:50:15 <yacek19> hi
Aug 28 20:51:03 <yacek19> is it something bad to access Activity's memebers directly from BaseAdapter inner class?
Aug 28 20:52:40 <LtRipley> yacek19: can the BaseAdapter outlive the Activity?
Aug 28 20:52:50 <yacek19> nope
Aug 28 20:53:48 <LtRipley> then, I don't have any reason to condemn that, but I am a noob
Aug 28 20:56:47 <samsamsam> when does the BaseAdapter outlive the activity? When it is being consumed by more then one activity?
Aug 28 20:57:05 <lasserix> killer in onPostExecute signal to your activity that sound has been loaded
Aug 28 20:59:03 <killer> lasserix: but eclipse shows some error with parameters
Aug 28 21:01:34 <skulltower> Should constants in my class be static? They aren't used by other classes or anything, but I also don't want them being simple local variables. Having them final tells me to convert them to a local var.
Aug 28 21:02:07 <lasserix> killer: http://pastebin.com/xBwKe5fy
Aug 28 21:02:24 <lasserix> err http://pastebin.com/ravkvw0B
Aug 28 21:02:41 <flan3002> skulltower: Constants are usually private/public static final NAME_IN_CAPS.
Aug 28 21:03:01 <flan3002> skulltower: What tells you to make it local?
Aug 28 21:03:20 <skulltower> my IDE. If it's static final then it doesn't complain
Aug 28 21:03:32 <skulltower> Is there some optimization done when they are static?
Aug 28 21:03:45 <lasserix> yeah and if they are constant they are definatly static
Aug 28 21:03:50 <flan3002> Oh, that way. Yeah, makes sense.
Aug 28 21:03:51 <killer> lasserix: thanx , let me look at the code
Aug 28 21:04:10 <flan3002> skulltower: If they are not static, they are allocated per instance.
Aug 28 21:04:42 <lasserix> killer the weak reference is for if the async task loads but, say, the user quits your app immediatly, then the activity can be garbage collected even tho the async task has a reference, and will return null thus not calling thorugh to onSoundLoaded
Aug 28 21:05:04 <skulltower> But if they are static they're always use memory right? What if my class needs to be called once only and then the constants aren't used anymore? Sounds like a waste.
Aug 28 21:05:36 <flan3002> skulltower: Wrong. They only use memory if the class is loaded. Any only once per load, if static, but once per instantiation if not.
Aug 28 21:06:09 <skulltower> Oh!
Aug 28 21:06:38 <flan3002> skulltower: But true, technically, by gc-ing a singleton value of a class, you /could/ decrease memory usage, opposed to classes, which won't get unloaded automatically.
Aug 28 21:06:46 <skulltower> But then.. When is the class loaded/unloaded?
Aug 28 21:06:50 <flan3002> It's definitely not worth the effort though.
Aug 28 21:07:12 <flan3002> The class is loaded when it or its contents are first used and never unloaded. :)
Aug 28 21:07:20 <skulltower> Ahh
Aug 28 21:07:48 <flan3002> For final vars, javac might actually make variables static though...
Aug 28 21:07:53 <flan3002> Still, don't.
Aug 28 21:08:41 <killer> lasserix: What is the soundPlay in the parameter?
Aug 28 21:09:07 <lasserix> ?
Aug 28 21:09:21 <lasserix> that can be anything
Aug 28 21:09:22 <skulltower> Though the vars only use a few bytes so I guess it doesn't really matter, as you said. Thanks for the quick infos :)
Aug 28 21:09:30 <lasserix> but you are passing it here so that you have a reference to it
Aug 28 21:09:33 <killer> AsyncTask<void,SounPlay,Boolean>
Aug 28 21:09:33 <lasserix> ohh
Aug 28 21:09:34 <lasserix> i see
Aug 28 21:10:19 <flan3002> skulltower: True, but make them static when you can. For final vars only though. Mutable statics are dangerous, you'd have to consider other solutions before doing that.
Aug 28 21:10:51 <skulltower> flan3002, Yeah I usually avoid statics as much as possible (other than constants)
Aug 28 21:10:51 <lasserix> http://pastebin.com/neRZnhD1
Aug 28 21:10:54 <lasserix> killer &&
Aug 28 21:10:55 <flan3002> Well, mutable statics can be handled, but it requires some attention and effort.
Aug 28 21:11:34 <lasserix> killer: oops here sorry am eating lunch atm http://pastebin.com/vV59YmEi
Aug 28 21:12:11 <lasserix> the second param is whatever you need to do in background, that should work but am not sure, anyways you're passing a reference to the sound pool in your activity, so you can initialize it and then load it
Aug 28 21:12:22 <killer> lasserix: Actually It was a mistake on my part , I wroet it in the pastebin instead of SoundPool but I told about earlier
Aug 28 21:12:45 <lasserix> you could also initialize it in oncreate, then pass it like it is being passed, but check if null before calling load in case it becomes null (if the user were to immediatly quit or get a phone call when starting your app)
Aug 28 21:14:02 <MetalGear> Hi guys sorry, i need to repeat a question because i still can't find the answer. I am having trouble animating the rows in a listview revealed when scrolling down, which were previously hidden.
Aug 28 21:16:10 <StingRay_> MetalGear please re-phrase your question in the form of a question :)
Aug 28 21:16:39 <StingRay_> not sure you will get any responses by making statements :)
Aug 28 21:16:47 <MetalGear> how can i animate listview items that are not in the view
Aug 28 21:17:10 <StingRay_> why would you want to animate something that no1 can see ?
Aug 28 21:17:16 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 21:18:09 <MetalGear> my animation fades out all items below the clicked item
Aug 28 21:18:41 <MetalGear> but, when i scroll down and click one of those items that were once hidden no fading out happens
Aug 28 21:19:34 <StingRay_> thats more of a state management issue on your end then right ?
Aug 28 21:19:44 <StingRay_> rather than you wanting to play animation nobody will see
Aug 28 21:19:45 <StingRay_> ?
Aug 28 21:21:00 <g00s> AS 0.8.8
Aug 28 21:21:17 <MetalGear> ok how about this. when you scroll down in a listview are the positions re-used?
Aug 28 21:21:28 <carczar> g00s anything notable in this release?
Aug 28 21:21:40 <g00s> just some bug fix to the translation editor
Aug 28 21:21:52 <StingRay_> MetalGear positions no, views yes
Aug 28 21:22:00 <flan3002> wayne: https://developer.android.com/reference/java/nio/MappedByteBuffer.html
Aug 28 21:22:36 <wayne> thanks
Aug 28 21:22:41 <MetalGear> StingRay_: ok because when i do the fadeout animation, sometimes the top view is faded out instead..
Aug 28 21:23:47 <StingRay_> MetalGear there are a few offical devbites about this and on the offical blog I think
Aug 28 21:24:03 <StingRay_> that will show you probably what you need
Aug 28 21:24:05 <ravilov> oh, I just realized - Napalm, android 1.5 (api4) is actually java 1.6, not java 1.5
Aug 28 21:24:16 <wayne> flan3002: i don't suppose java has a handy way of using custom allocators? :/
Aug 28 21:24:23 <smitzer> so I have a view that is 1 textview and 2 buttons. the button are located beneath the textview next to each other. so I want to mark that there are 3 different items by making a stroke around the buttons and textview, however since i am doing it on all items the places where they touch each other have twice the stroke. can i use different stroke sizes on different sides of a shape?
Aug 28 21:24:46 <flan3002> wayne: No, use the NDK for such things. Why do you need that?
Aug 28 21:24:55 <Napalm> ravilov: nope, its a bastardised version of java 1.5
Aug 28 21:25:34 <wayne> flan3002: i want to map an object to memory because it's huge
Aug 28 21:25:47 <wayne> was hoping that the OS could take care of caching for me
Aug 28 21:26:03 <wayne> er, map an object's memory to the FS
Aug 28 21:26:03 <g00s> wayne you can allocate a direct byte buffer (nio)
Aug 28 21:26:10 <sukima> Been trying to use Geocoder.getFromLocationName with a bounding box and the result set is almost non-sensical. Like using "123 main st" brings up addresses with no street at all like "City Board of education" Any ideas?
Aug 28 21:26:12 <flan3002> wayne: And why would you need a custom allocator then?
Aug 28 21:26:15 <sukima> (Same query using Web API returns results that make sense)
Aug 28 21:26:22 <flan3002> g00s: He knows. ^^
Aug 28 21:26:40 <wayne> the byte buffer doesn't have my object's structure
Aug 28 21:26:56 <wayne> it's just a blob of data, so it's not really convenient to perform operations on
Aug 28 21:27:07 <flan3002> We are speaking of a pojo?
Aug 28 21:27:34 <wayne> yep, with some accessors that do search-like things
Aug 28 21:28:11 <wayne> i guess i could make a wrapper around the ByteBuffer
Aug 28 21:28:20 <wayne> and then that could be my "access"
Aug 28 21:28:26 <wayne> unfortunately a lot of these fields are variable-length :(
Aug 28 21:28:37 <wayne> so it's pointing to writing my own allocator
Aug 28 21:28:52 <flan3002> wayne: NDK sounds like a valid alternative...
Aug 28 21:29:11 <wayne> i'll check it out and try to judge if it's worth introducing into the codebase
Aug 28 21:29:15 <wayne> thanks for bringing it up
Aug 28 21:29:30 <flan3002> Let's look into Unsafe...
Aug 28 21:30:43 <flan3002> Hm. Doesn't look helpful.
Aug 28 21:31:58 <flan3002> I'd go with trying (and failing?) to compile a Rust library to do this then, even though C would be so much simpler...
Aug 28 21:47:33 <desmin88> this is just fantastic http://www.parcelabler.com/
Aug 28 21:48:18 <Afzal> lol
Aug 28 21:48:49 <desmin88> i have so many stupid small model classes that i do not want to write parcel stuff for
Aug 28 21:53:17 <JesusFreke> hahaha. Except for being completely unpronouncable :)
Aug 28 21:53:32 <desmin88> yeah is it parcel-abler
Aug 28 21:53:34 <pakcjo> Hello, if I call requestLocationUpdates on the LocationManager would it stay valid (calling Listener) even if the provider is disabled? (requestLocationUpdates (String provider, long minTime, float minDistance, LocationListener listener))
Aug 28 21:53:37 <desmin88> or parcerlabl-er
Aug 28 21:53:48 <desmin88> parcelable-r*
Aug 28 21:55:34 <MetalGear> is there an opposite listview method to getChildAt? i want a function that you can inputt he view and it will output the position of the view
Aug 28 21:58:12 <kakazza> desmin88: Or use Auto Parcel or Parceler or ...
Aug 28 21:58:27 <desmin88> no thats nonsense
Aug 28 21:59:56 <LtRipley> is there a way to have an app with optional permissions, for features that need special permissions but are not essential for the working of the app?
Aug 28 22:01:04 <desmin88> nope
Aug 28 22:01:17 <desmin88> you can however have an app first start dialog
Aug 28 22:01:22 <desmin88> and ask the user for permission
Aug 28 22:01:33 <MetalGear> is there a way of comparing if two views are the same
Aug 28 22:01:44 <desmin88> what is your use case
Aug 28 22:01:46 <LtRipley> desmin88: and that is decided then on a case by case base?
Aug 28 22:02:01 <desmin88> LtRipley: yes it would be up to the user if they want that feature
Aug 28 22:02:20 <desmin88> unless your a dick and use the permission anway
Aug 28 22:02:27 <MetalGear> i have a listview and the view of the clicked item. and i want to loop through all the views and do something to them except the view clicked.
Aug 28 22:03:01 <MetalGear> all the views in the list*
Aug 28 22:04:21 <LtRipley> desmin88: i usually don't like apps that ask for an abundance of permissions, like an Alarm Clock that needs internet access (why?!), but if the app allows to set radio streams as an alarm sound it makes sense, but it still scares me off when i see that it needs internet permissions
Aug 28 22:04:55 <desmin88> so then just include an ask dialog
Aug 28 22:04:57 <desmin88> many apps do
Aug 28 22:05:07 <LtRipley> people would still have to trust me
Aug 28 22:05:22 <desmin88> there is no alternative
Aug 28 22:05:27 <desmin88> sorry but no optional permissions
Aug 28 22:06:15 <LtRipley> i thought about having an additional app B that implements an intent that could be invoked by my app A
Aug 28 22:06:43 <LtRipley> so A wouldn't need internet permission, but B could be installed if the user explicitly wants to allow that
Aug 28 22:07:10 <kakazza> DashClock and Muzei both provide a mechanism for Extensions. Depending on what you want to do, you could look into that.
Aug 28 22:07:37 <desmin88> LtRipley: your being slightly neurotic
Aug 28 22:08:22 <LtRipley> thanks
Aug 28 22:09:20 <LtRipley> desmin88: i might be the only one who actually looks at permissions when installing apps,  but still i don't want to have one of those apps that ask for everything
Aug 28 22:09:34 <desmin88> its an internet permission
Aug 28 22:09:34 <LtRipley> and i am not neurotic, i am paranoid
Aug 28 22:09:36 <desmin88> thats all
Aug 28 22:09:57 <LtRipley> yes, but with more features come more permissions
Aug 28 22:10:03 <desmin88> naturally.
Aug 28 22:10:45 <g00s> i just looked at 3 running apps, and just chose the one with the least # of permissions
Aug 28 22:11:43 <desmin88> having just an internet permission is not a big dela
Aug 28 22:11:44 <desmin88> deal
Aug 28 22:11:56 <LtRipley> that was just an example
Aug 28 22:12:03 <g00s> if you have analytics you will need that anyhow; probably a good idea to have analytics
Aug 28 22:12:28 <LtRipley> but it is not uncommon to have apps that wouldn't need permissions at all to ask for lots of permissions
Aug 28 22:15:38 <desmin88> youll be fine
Aug 28 22:15:51 <LtRipley> whatever
Aug 28 22:18:58 <MetalGear> is there a way of disabling scrolling and clickable in a listview?
Aug 28 22:19:09 <MetalGear> of a whole listview
Aug 28 22:20:17 <desmin88> yes
Aug 28 22:23:53 <MetalGear> i reckon you can turn off clickable but using setClickable, but how about disabling the scrolling
Aug 28 22:24:37 <desmin88> thats easily googleable
Aug 28 22:24:39 <sqrrl> i have a listview with textviews with links. if i long-click on a listview to open context menu, it works fine. but if i long-click on the url, in addition to opening the context menu, that url also opens. can i prevent that?
Aug 28 22:25:15 <LtRipley> desmin88: is today the day of unhelpful answers?
Aug 28 22:25:30 <desmin88> no
Aug 28 22:25:49 <desmin88> literally rather than type in irc you can just go to google "listview disable scrolling" and hit im feeling lucky
Aug 28 22:26:00 <desmin88> it saves him time
Aug 28 22:38:25 <kuldeepdhaka> can Android support library v13 be used without problem with minimumSdk=12 ?
Aug 28 22:38:57 <Napalm> no
Aug 28 22:39:04 <Napalm> v13 means min v13
Aug 28 22:42:10 <kuldeepdhaka> Napalm, oh
Aug 28 22:45:27 <kuldeepdhaka> Napalm, thanks for the clarification.
Aug 28 22:45:45 <Napalm> np
Aug 28 22:46:24 <lasserix> MetalGear: you could just dump the current viewcache into a bitmap and overlay it and set visibility to invisible on the underlying lsitview till you want to reenable it
Aug 28 22:58:25 <javnut> how do  I convert a time position to a byte location in a wav file
Aug 28 23:02:13 <MikeWallaceDev> does anybody use Locale AND have a device cover?  I made a plugin and would like to test it  (I don't have a cover :-/  )
Aug 28 23:02:34 <Muchoz> Locale?
Aug 28 23:02:42 <MikeWallaceDev> Locale.
Aug 28 23:04:31 <Muchoz> What do you mean 'does anybody use Locale'? How can we use a class? http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/Locale.html
Aug 28 23:05:26 <MikeWallaceDev> Locale, the application
Aug 28 23:07:59 <Muchoz> No, sorry
Aug 28 23:09:16 <MikeWallaceDev> thanks :)
Aug 28 23:10:22 <MikeWallaceDev> related question, has anyone ever detected when the cover is closed/opened?   I need to know what magnetic value I should be looking for
Aug 28 23:15:05 <StingRay_> can you just test it ?
Aug 28 23:16:21 <MikeWallaceDev> I don't have a cover! :D
Aug 28 23:17:01 <StingRay_> oh, well get me a contained activity and I will
Aug 28 23:17:15 <StingRay_> send you log of opening and closing a few times
Aug 28 23:17:23 <MikeWallaceDev> so you have a cover, but you don't use locale?
Aug 28 23:17:37 <StingRay_> never heard of locale
Aug 28 23:17:39 <StingRay_> the app
Aug 28 23:17:46 <StingRay_> I thought the same as Muchoz
Aug 28 23:17:59 <StingRay_> although I did not think "how can you use a class"
Aug 28 23:18:00 <MikeWallaceDev> really??? One of the oldest apps on Android :)  Winner of the ADC
Aug 28 23:18:01 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 23:18:19 <MikeWallaceDev> but it's $10... so...
Aug 28 23:18:21 <StingRay_> maybe it's regional ?
Aug 28 23:18:26 <StingRay_> <-- GB
Aug 28 23:18:43 <MikeWallaceDev> I don't think so...
Aug 28 23:18:51 <MikeWallaceDev> You know Tasker right?
Aug 28 23:18:56 <StingRay_> yes
Aug 28 23:19:00 <MikeWallaceDev> similar thing
Aug 28 23:19:08 <MikeWallaceDev> uses the same API for plugins
Aug 28 23:19:29 <StingRay_> oh well dont use tasker either :)
Aug 28 23:19:30 <MikeWallaceDev> but Locale is WAY more user friendly
Aug 28 23:19:50 <MikeWallaceDev> I have Tasker, never use it.  Too complicated
Aug 28 23:20:02 <MikeWallaceDev> $6 down the drain
Aug 28 23:20:09 <MikeWallaceDev> that's 2 beers!!!
Aug 28 23:20:49 <MikeWallaceDev> ok, then I think I will whip up a small app
Aug 28 23:21:23 <kakazza> Cover?
Aug 28 23:22:25 <StingRay_> mag cover for device
Aug 28 23:22:44 <StingRay_> case / cover / whateva
Aug 28 23:22:46 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 23:23:09 <shadynastys> Ok so I am not sure what to search for this. Is there a way to make a view in a relative layout be below one view or another? Here is the view i am working with. In my dataset I might not get a logo and have to difer to the Name. But the Image_view is below one or the other depending on what data is available. https://gist.github.com/px-amaac/d02ca889b4e1aa084d46
Aug 28 23:23:33 <shadynastys> Like an OR for view layout
Aug 28 23:23:55 <shadynastys> depending if the view is GONE or VISIBLE
Aug 28 23:24:09 <StingRay_> contain both in a linearLayout and make things relative to that
Aug 28 23:24:21 <StingRay_> unless you want to code it
Aug 28 23:24:52 <shadynastys> well i do have the logic to make one view gone or visible.
Aug 28 23:25:08 <shadynastys> But a linear layout seems simpler
Aug 28 23:25:14 <shadynastys> less room for error
Aug 28 23:25:29 <StingRay_> addRule is quite simple too
Aug 28 23:25:30 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 23:26:08 <desmin88> Are retrofit coversions (i. gson or jackson) done in a background thread?
Aug 28 23:26:16 <desmin88> i have an idea
Aug 28 23:26:50 <JakeWharton> Yes
Aug 28 23:27:11 <JakeWharton> Assuming you are invoking it with a Callback
Aug 28 23:28:53 <desmin88> Thanks
Aug 28 23:30:35 <desmin88> I want to try to see if i can have a converter some how parcel-ize the class for me'
Aug 28 23:30:42 <desmin88> rather than doing it on the ui thread when needed
Aug 28 23:31:01 <MikeWallaceDev> StingRay_: https://copy.com/QBxsA0b1j2Dq  This will show all the values that I receive.  For now I assumed a value of 500.  So the app thinks that the cover is closed if the value is > 500
Aug 28 23:31:44 <MikeWallaceDev> values are shown in LogCat
Aug 28 23:32:49 <StingRay_> wow
Aug 28 23:33:12 <MikeWallaceDev> wow, as in, too many values?  Yeah, I know.
Aug 28 23:33:20 <MikeWallaceDev> but I can't slow them down...
Aug 28 23:33:21 <desmin88> my parcelable objects are quite involved so it might be easier to do it on the background thread
Aug 28 23:33:27 <MikeWallaceDev> I really don't need that many
Aug 28 23:33:41 <StingRay_> http://pastebin.com/vc0cnC5k
Aug 28 23:33:53 <StingRay_> wow as in variance
Aug 28 23:33:57 <StingRay_> then huge diff
Aug 28 23:34:41 <MikeWallaceDev> but your "normal" is much higher than mine... I hover at about 50... you're near 300!
Aug 28 23:34:51 <StingRay_> funky
Aug 28 23:34:56 <MikeWallaceDev> indeed.
Aug 28 23:35:02 <StingRay_> I thought there maybe huge variances though
Aug 28 23:35:07 <StingRay_> depends on materials etc
Aug 28 23:35:17 <StingRay_> orientation
Aug 28 23:35:24 <MikeWallaceDev> yeah... I used a knife to test for closed :D
Aug 28 23:36:03 <MikeWallaceDev> speaking of orientation... If you move the device, then it starts sending readings like crazy!
Aug 28 23:36:07 <StingRay_> oooo
Aug 28 23:36:08 <StingRay_> bad
Aug 28 23:36:24 <StingRay_> when I lapped my cover over the back to lay flat I get 515-520
Aug 28 23:36:29 <MikeWallaceDev> what's bad?
Aug 28 23:36:32 <logan0405> hey anyone know where android source code archives are
Aug 28 23:36:38 <MikeWallaceDev> damn.
Aug 28 23:36:39 <logan0405> i need 2 .java files from donut
Aug 28 23:36:50 <StingRay_> I can get 770 without shutting it
Aug 28 23:36:58 <StingRay_> if I position in a certain way with nex10
Aug 28 23:37:08 <MikeWallaceDev> well, I was thinking of using relative numbers instead of a hard coded one
Aug 28 23:37:36 <MikeWallaceDev> so check the average... then if 500 more than the average consider it closed
Aug 28 23:37:44 <logan0405> oops, found it
Aug 28 23:37:56 <StingRay_> yeah…but when these smart covers are flat (open) against the back, 770 ? thats quite a bit
Aug 28 23:38:05 <MikeWallaceDev> but it wouldn't work in my plugin is started with the cover closed
Aug 28 23:38:40 <MikeWallaceDev> oh wow, yeah, that's cutting it close
Aug 28 23:38:45 <StingRay_> MikeWallaceDev combo with light too ?
Aug 28 23:39:10 <MikeWallaceDev> not a bad idea at all
Aug 28 23:39:11 <StingRay_> light + prox + mag
Aug 28 23:39:19 <StingRay_> really tell then :)
Aug 28 23:39:26 <MikeWallaceDev> why the prox?
Aug 28 23:39:36 <StingRay_> proximity
Aug 28 23:39:38 <MikeWallaceDev> light + mag should be enough
Aug 28 23:39:49 <MikeWallaceDev> not what is, why!
Aug 28 23:39:50 <MikeWallaceDev> :D
Aug 28 23:40:33 <MikeWallaceDev> besides, I'm guessing that anything that trigger the mag will also trigger the prox
Aug 28 23:40:49 <StingRay_> well, not how I just tested it
Aug 28 23:40:56 <StingRay_> cover folded over back
Aug 28 23:40:57 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 28 23:41:14 <MikeWallaceDev> but that won't trigger the light :)
Aug 28 23:41:33 <MikeWallaceDev> I think light and mag should be enough
Aug 28 23:41:59 <MikeWallaceDev> I'll already be doubling the listener calls!
Aug 28 23:42:01 <MikeWallaceDev> sheesh
Aug 28 23:42:25 <MikeWallaceDev> I hope these calls aren't hard on the battery, or else this project is a wash
Aug 28 23:42:55 <MikeWallaceDev> (these are still called even when the device is sleeping)
Aug 29 00:14:01 <rburgosnavas> hi there, i'm bit confused: can I bind a service by calling bindService() and then start it with startService()
Aug 29 00:15:30 <JesusFreke> yes
Aug 29 00:15:55 <JesusFreke> the service will stop once you both unbind the service, and call stopService()
Aug 29 00:16:29 <rburgosnavas> and it will still use one service reference?
Aug 29 00:16:44 <rburgosnavas> or the reference to the same service?
Aug 29 00:16:48 <JesusFreke> there will only be 1 instance of that service, yes
Aug 29 00:16:55 <rburgosnavas> aha!
Aug 29 00:17:03 <rburgosnavas> awesome sauce!
Aug 29 00:43:06 <MetalGear> if you're animating a listview item view, how can you work around when there is a view that is scrolled so that half the item is hidden
Aug 29 00:43:30 <MetalGear> and you want to animate that full item
Aug 29 00:47:38 <shmooz> MetalGear: use list.smoothScrollToPosition(position);
Aug 29 00:48:06 <shmooz> if you want to force it to be within the screen
Aug 29 00:51:44 <MetalGear> shmooz: that works, but my animation does not recognize the change in position. So the animatino translation is wrong
Aug 29 00:52:17 <shmooz> MetalGear: you can use stuff like list.getFirstVisiblePosition(); and list.getChildAt(Item);
Aug 29 00:53:07 <shmooz> to determine the current position and future position you want
Aug 29 00:53:48 <shmooz> I don't know about the animation part
Aug 29 00:56:23 <MetalGear> holy man, this animation business is taking years off my life
Aug 29 00:58:20 <MikeWallaceDev> StingRay_: are you around... I added light detection... Wanna try it out please?
Aug 29 00:58:38 <MikeWallaceDev> I had added prox, just to find out that my tablet doesn't have a prox sensor!  sheesh
Aug 29 00:58:54 <njcomsec> hahahahahahah
Aug 29 00:59:07 <njcomsec> is that like sonar?
Aug 29 01:00:37 <MikeWallaceDev> yes, my tablet doesn't have sonar either.  So they're the same
Aug 29 01:02:45 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm building a Locale plugin njcomsec ...  And StingRay_ has a cover on his device, so he can test my plugin
Aug 29 01:03:28 <njcomsec> good thinking
Aug 29 01:58:35 <desmin88> textbook companies suck, just give me a fcking pdf for the book i payed for
Aug 29 01:59:44 <shingshang> hmm, somehow my view isn't rendering after it's been getParent().removeView()'d and added again
Aug 29 02:01:19 <shingshang> could it be because I'm using a GLSurfaceView renderer and it has some requirements with handling removeView from parents?
Aug 29 02:02:14 <StingRay_> verified it's actually there ? verified contents / settings? verified layout params ? tested with invalidate() ?
Aug 29 02:02:46 <shingshang> well, it's a View that I had to pass to the InputMethodService, so the way I verified is using onMeasure and system.out.println
Aug 29 02:03:00 <shingshang> which did print stuff when it gets called, so it's somewhere on the view tree I guess?
Aug 29 02:04:47 <StingRay_> onLayout and onDraw called ?
Aug 29 02:05:04 <StingRay_> if yes yes then would really assume it's there :)
Aug 29 02:05:13 <shingshang> let me check first
Aug 29 02:08:19 <shingshang> hmm, it renders at first, and onLayout is called, but not onDraw
Aug 29 02:08:42 <StingRay_> added behind something ?
Aug 29 02:08:57 <shingshang> nah, it displays fine, but onDraw isn't being called
Aug 29 02:09:07 <shingshang> must be because I'm using a renderer of some sort?
Aug 29 02:09:12 <shingshang> also, <-- android newbie
Aug 29 02:10:36 <shingshang> looks like onLayout isn't called when the rendering issue starts to happen
Aug 29 02:11:08 <shingshang> gah, seems like this is gonna be hell to fix, considering the IME service takes care of everything :/
Aug 29 02:14:00 <shingshang> hmm, onMeasure is called but onLayout isn't called. what could this mean?
Aug 29 02:25:22 <ASneakyFox> has anyone here ever used google player's turn based multiplayer api? is it possible to use it if theres an AI player in the match?
Aug 29 02:47:37 <hil__> hi, i need some help. I'm working on an app that displays your current location on start. But it keeps on crashing if GPS isn't enabled.Any ideas on how to stop the crashing? http://pastebin.com/URFaAKTX
Aug 29 02:50:43 <desmin88> hil__: your comments seem unnecessary.. do you have the stack trace?
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