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Aug 30 03:01:01 <desmin88> "A YouTubePlayerView can only be created with an Activity  which extends YouTubeBaseActivity as its context." "... extends YouTubeBaseActivity"
Aug 30 03:01:03 <desmin88> why.
Aug 30 03:11:31 <StingRay_> thats the way they made it
Aug 30 03:11:36 <StingRay_> why do you care ?
Aug 30 03:11:39 <StingRay_> lol
Aug 30 03:11:40 <desmin88> no
Aug 30 03:11:43 <desmin88> thats my stack trace
Aug 30 03:12:04 <desmin88> My activity clearly extends youtubebase activity
Aug 30 03:12:07 <desmin88> but its saying it doesnt
Aug 30 03:13:29 <desmin88> the thing is, it works on my device which has the youtube app installed, but not on the emulator
Aug 30 03:13:31 <desmin88> i think thats why
Aug 30 03:18:23 <desmin88> which is stupid, btw.
Aug 30 03:20:23 <StingRay_> well, if it just requires googleApi and you setup and emulator without it…then yeah, pretty stupid
Aug 30 03:20:31 <StingRay_> but never tried it so dont know
Aug 30 03:20:52 <desmin88> all it needs is the api key
Aug 30 03:26:39 <g00s> heh. yeah, also Genymotion still doesn't have any images with Play afaik
Aug 30 03:26:48 <monst> curious adb on recovery verse usb debug, what is the difference?
Aug 30 03:27:00 <desmin88> i just dont get it g00s why would it crash upon just creating the view
Aug 30 03:27:12 <monst> for instance ls -lSr works in recovery but not in android usb debug
Aug 30 03:27:25 <monst> any way to get it to be similar to recovery?
Aug 30 03:27:31 <desmin88> shouldnt it call the listener's on initialization failed method?
Aug 30 03:27:41 <desmin88> there youtube player api kinda sucks.
Aug 30 03:27:57 <g00s> desmin88 i haven't use the youtube APIs; ugh i hate that stuff
Aug 30 03:28:28 <desmin88> g00s: it also has random crashes where the library it self keeps references to old destroyed views and hard closes your app
Aug 30 03:28:55 <desmin88> and its been over a year and google hasnt addressed it
Aug 30 03:28:59 <g00s> i remember old webview bugs like that
Aug 30 03:29:22 <g00s> i think very old mapview bug
Aug 30 03:30:20 <desmin88> https://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=4395
Aug 30 03:30:21 <desmin88> ugh
Aug 30 03:30:27 <desmin88> fucking google release and forget
Aug 30 03:31:56 <monst>  /sbin/find is there in recovery but not when the phone is booted
Aug 30 03:31:59 <monst> what gives?
Aug 30 03:35:09 <JesusFreke> monst: they're two separate things
Aug 30 03:35:17 <JesusFreke> recovery mode has it's own initramfs
Aug 30 03:35:40 <monst> oh that makes sense
Aug 30 03:35:43 <monst> fuck me =)
Aug 30 03:36:28 <desmin88> gladly
Aug 30 03:40:17 <g00s> calm down lovebirds
Aug 30 03:41:23 <desmin88> just pissed at google thats all
Aug 30 03:48:39 <g00s> wow, this is interesting if you read a lot http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/08/29/blinkist-arrives-on-android-to-cut-popular-non-fiction-books-down-to-tiny-bite-sized-reads-3-months-free-through-stack-social/
Aug 30 03:52:07 <desmin88> sort of like those services that trim news articles to the important bits
Aug 30 03:52:32 <desmin88> seems dumb imo
Aug 30 03:52:35 <g00s> hm, sounds like iPhone 6 will have an NXP NFC chip
Aug 30 03:53:32 <chromium> Which one looks the best?: http://i.stack.imgur.com/g0A3T.png
Aug 30 03:54:24 <desmin88> middle
Aug 30 03:54:40 <StingRay_> well there is a lot of wasted space there
Aug 30 03:54:55 <desmin88> eh
Aug 30 03:55:00 <StingRay_> and is this a color picker for a user ?
Aug 30 03:55:19 <chromium> yes
Aug 30 03:55:23 <g00s> ugh, rgb ?
Aug 30 03:55:27 <g00s> lol
Aug 30 03:55:30 <StingRay_> then I would maybe consider not RGB
Aug 30 03:55:49 <StingRay_> 99% would be …. "hunny, how the fk do I make yellow?"
Aug 30 03:56:26 <StingRay_> most will know a spectrum and a shade and thats about at complex as it should be
Aug 30 03:56:34 <chromium> lol
Aug 30 03:56:34 <g00s> doesn't android have a colorpicker in one of the samples  / support library ?
Aug 30 03:56:39 <desmin88> it does
Aug 30 03:56:49 <chromium> But I based it off what is seen here: https://www.google.com/design/spec/components/sliders.html#sliders-continuous-slider
Aug 30 03:57:14 <StingRay_> chromium not saying alter the sliders
Aug 30 03:57:24 <StingRay_> saying alter the total design for use and intended user
Aug 30 03:57:25 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 30 03:57:30 <chromium> lol
Aug 30 03:57:34 <StingRay_> well, just an opinion
Aug 30 03:57:36 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 30 03:57:40 <StingRay_> from a designer ;)
Aug 30 03:57:41 <g00s> HSL or HSV
Aug 30 03:57:42 <desmin88> chromium: i like it, but only for that specific use
Aug 30 03:58:12 <chromium> I understand. This particular color picker wont be used by most users. Its more of testing thing.
Aug 30 03:58:35 <StingRay_> chromium thats fine then, but I would totally re-think if it was intended for heavy user use
Aug 30 03:58:38 <desmin88> then yeah looks fine
Aug 30 03:58:43 <chromium> alright thanks
Aug 30 03:58:56 <chromium> So you guys like the middle one the most?
Aug 30 03:58:59 <chromium> http://i.stack.imgur.com/g0A3T.png
Aug 30 03:59:08 <StingRay_> no, too much waste and loss of focus
Aug 30 03:59:14 <StingRay_> on all of them :)
Aug 30 03:59:17 <desmin88> middle one
Aug 30 03:59:17 <StingRay_> sorry
Aug 30 03:59:26 <chromium> but if you had to pick one?
Aug 30 03:59:37 <StingRay_> right
Aug 30 03:59:46 <desmin88> middle
Aug 30 03:59:49 <StingRay_> but I wouldn't
Aug 30 04:00:00 <StingRay_> well actually no left
Aug 30 04:00:10 <StingRay_> but would move the hex to the top
Aug 30 04:00:16 <StingRay_> about the r slider
Aug 30 04:00:25 <chromium> hmm ok ill try that out
Aug 30 04:00:29 <StingRay_> I would cut the height of the color bit by 1 3rd
Aug 30 04:00:43 <chromium> ok
Aug 30 04:01:01 <desmin88> eh
Aug 30 04:01:03 <StingRay_> another option since i take it that blue should change
Aug 30 04:01:12 <StingRay_> as a preview right ?
Aug 30 04:01:17 <chromium> Its weird. On the official Google design guidelines the color part is even bigger
Aug 30 04:01:19 <chromium> Yes
Aug 30 04:01:36 <chromium> the color updates as you move the sliders
Aug 30 04:01:39 <StingRay_> ok well have the hex as a faded 1/3rd of the color preview
Aug 30 04:01:42 <StingRay_> as an overlay
Aug 30 04:01:42 <desmin88> chromium: id stick with material design and keep it same/larger than you have
Aug 30 04:01:56 <StingRay_> as the user does not want or need a hex value
Aug 30 04:02:04 <StingRay_> but good as secondary reference
Aug 30 04:02:21 <chromium> but what if the user wants to manually enter the hex
Aug 30 04:02:26 <desmin88>  ooooooo
Aug 30 04:02:29 <desmin88> gotcha
Aug 30 04:02:43 <StingRay_> desmin88 ?
Aug 30 04:03:05 <desmin88> thats a 'gotcha' moment
Aug 30 04:03:09 <StingRay_> not really
Aug 30 04:03:12 <StingRay_> for kiddies yeah
Aug 30 04:03:29 <desmin88> not really
Aug 30 04:03:41 <StingRay_> chromium if I wanted to design and cater for less than 1% I would maybe have it clickable, little edit symbol
Aug 30 04:03:57 <StingRay_> but it would not be part of any primary design focus
Aug 30 04:04:04 <StingRay_> simply not worth it
Aug 30 04:04:33 <chromium> ok thanks for the feedback
Aug 30 04:04:50 <chromium> I'm still not sure if I should go with the left or middle
Aug 30 04:05:02 <desmin88> middddle
Aug 30 04:05:16 <RustyShackleford> is there a barcode scanner app that's open source?
Aug 30 04:05:27 <desmin88> rounded corners of the textview play with the sliders well
Aug 30 04:05:27 <RustyShackleford> i'm curious how you extract that from a picture
Aug 30 04:05:37 <RustyShackleford> and I can't seem to find any explanation of the algorithms for it
Aug 30 04:05:40 <chromium> ok i think ill go with middle
Aug 30 04:06:21 <StingRay_> chromium not a good choice, have a look at some design docs and consistency
Aug 30 04:06:32 <StingRay_> if all the inputs are rounded then yeah
Aug 30 04:06:42 <StingRay_> or if all the text components are rounded then yeah
Aug 30 04:06:56 <StingRay_> but dont to make them match a rounded bit on a slider   lol
Aug 30 04:06:58 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 30 04:07:13 <desmin88> coming from the person who goes against design docs and home rolls his own 'action bar' and has a theme engine
Aug 30 04:07:33 <chromium> lol
Aug 30 04:07:34 <StingRay_> didn't roll my own action bar
Aug 30 04:07:35 <desmin88> i still want to see a screenie of your app
Aug 30 04:07:41 <StingRay_> it's a view
Aug 30 04:07:44 <chromium> Whats your app?
Aug 30 04:08:07 <desmin88> a secret app with an awesome 'theme engine' that he wont show anyone
Aug 30 04:08:31 <chromium> nice
Aug 30 04:08:35 <StingRay_> I have shown people
Aug 30 04:08:37 <StingRay_> lots
Aug 30 04:08:46 <StingRay_> even 15k downloads and big beta group
Aug 30 04:08:47 <desmin88> i doubt that
Aug 30 04:08:53 <StingRay_> even people in this channel
Aug 30 04:08:58 <StingRay_> but not little kiddies
Aug 30 04:08:59 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 30 04:09:07 <chromium> My app is HexaTime
Aug 30 04:09:08 <desmin88> you got me
Aug 30 04:09:13 <desmin88> im 11 yrs old
Aug 30 04:09:14 <chromium> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.priyesh.hexatime
Aug 30 04:09:20 <StingRay_> desmin88 17-22
Aug 30 04:09:24 <StingRay_> still my guess
Aug 30 04:09:31 <StingRay_> ;)
Aug 30 04:09:45 <desmin88> way off
Aug 30 04:09:52 <chromium> 12k downloads
Aug 30 04:10:00 <StingRay_> desmin88 really really ? hand on hear ?
Aug 30 04:10:03 <StingRay_> heart*
Aug 30 04:10:11 <desmin88> swear on me mum m8
Aug 30 04:10:20 <chromium> u wot m8?
Aug 30 04:10:24 <StingRay_> balls, oh wait, hi or low ?
Aug 30 04:10:27 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 30 04:10:32 <desmin88> ill hook u in de gabber m8
Aug 30 04:10:37 <desmin88> ill fookin wreck ya
Aug 30 04:10:46 <chromium> ill rek u m8
Aug 30 04:11:39 <g00s> capella "Mozilla has rolled out directory tiles, the company's advertising experiment for its browser's new tab page, "
Aug 30 04:11:46 <g00s> yeah more adds ! woohoo
Aug 30 04:12:18 <desmin88> StingRay_: if you show me your app ill perform sexual favors for you
Aug 30 04:12:23 <capella> :(
Aug 30 04:12:45 <capella> build your own solves everythuing
Aug 30 04:12:51 <g00s> \o/
Aug 30 04:13:05 <g00s> everything is awesome ...
Aug 30 04:13:11 <desmin88> its not gay if the balls dont touch
Aug 30 04:13:36 <desmin88> unless u want them too
Aug 30 04:14:09 <g00s> desmin88 god isn't going to bless uCatholic if written by such a zombie philistine as yourself !
Aug 30 04:14:21 <desmin88> lol im not affiliated with them
Aug 30 04:14:23 <desmin88> just write the app
Aug 30 04:15:14 <desmin88> Also look at this new snazzy-ness: http://gyazo.com/7940f92a2217bd713c2e86a7f2622a0e
Aug 30 04:15:17 <desmin88> spicing up the action bar
Aug 30 04:17:29 <monst> http://i.imgur.com/w8hNyPx.jpg
Aug 30 04:20:30 <desmin88> I can't remember what causes this, how do you get the overdraw on the image to drop down a level http://i.imgur.com/2usfFzL.png
Aug 30 04:21:00 <desmin88> also the text and imageviews
Aug 30 04:21:32 <desmin88> afaik i have no empty parent views with backgrounds etc
Aug 30 04:24:12 <desmin88> ahh i think its my drawable background
Aug 30 05:19:59 <rburgos> hi there. Can I use MediaRecorder to record audio from standard output instead of the mic?
Aug 30 05:20:42 <rburgos> i would love to test it out but i dont have access to the laptop at the moment
Aug 30 05:20:52 <StingRay_> rburgos by standard you mean ?
Aug 30 05:21:03 <StingRay_> internal audio system ?
Aug 30 05:21:32 <rburgos> The output that eventually gets routed to speakers or headphones
Aug 30 05:21:43 <rburgos> Yeah, internal audio
Aug 30 05:21:54 <StingRay_> doubt it …. all are very different
Aug 30 05:22:06 <StingRay_> samsung != htc != LG
Aug 30 05:22:23 <StingRay_> and I think it would be a feature set of the driver rather than android
Aug 30 05:22:45 <rburgos> Ah drivers, that makes sense
Aug 30 05:23:36 <StingRay_> could be wrong as never looked into it and not much of a programmer
Aug 30 05:24:04 <StingRay_> but if you look at the computability of these recorders that do that on play, most of the time they require root
Aug 30 05:24:15 <StingRay_> and many do not work with xx type of phone
Aug 30 05:24:25 <StingRay_> "call recorders" being an example
Aug 30 05:24:32 <rburgos> oh
Aug 30 05:24:44 <rburgos> Ill
Aug 30 05:24:51 <rburgos> I'll look that up
Aug 30 05:25:23 <rburgos> damn, seems that i may have embarked on the wrong first Android project...
Aug 30 05:28:18 <desmin88> Does getHitRect() not work on child views?
Aug 30 05:30:32 <desmin88> Trying to determine if the user clicked on a scroll views child and my hit rect is always blank
Aug 30 05:51:39 <desmin88> I print out the x and y coordinates of the motion events and they match up with the dev settings for x and y, but my hitRect is 0,0,0,0 every time
Aug 30 05:52:02 <desmin88> So its not a relative/absolute issue
Aug 30 05:56:55 <shingshang> hmm, do people do import android.view.*; or is it better to just import the classes one by one?
Aug 30 05:59:40 <desmin88> for your case go one by one
Aug 30 06:04:36 <samsamsam> I have a doubt. My activity calls Camera through intent using startActivityforResult(intent). If the userdoesn't take a picture and presses back button is the onResume method called or does it go to onActivityresult() ?
Aug 30 06:06:19 <StingRay_> my guess is onActivityResult…but that question in context is quicker to test than ask :)
Aug 30 06:09:39 <desmin88> bollocks
Aug 30 06:24:10 <frankdrey> I'm working on a launcher app, and I've noticed that for some reason, my launcher does this weird zoom from bottom animation for opening apps
Aug 30 06:24:15 <frankdrey> That no other launcher does
Aug 30 06:26:56 <desmin88> child view why are you doing this to me, why is your hit rectangle 0
Aug 30 06:27:46 <StingRay_> frankdrey not noticed that
Aug 30 06:27:54 <desmin88> ?
Aug 30 06:28:08 <StingRay_> frankdrey some version of android ? or just normal ?
Aug 30 06:28:34 <frankdrey> I think I found it one other place. Settings from quick launch in notifications bar.
Aug 30 06:28:53 <frankdrey> Thing is I'm comparing it to even the AOSP launcher on the same phone
Aug 30 06:29:32 <StingRay_> frankdrey you mean an activity opening ?
Aug 30 06:29:36 <frankdrey> Yes
Aug 30 06:29:44 <frankdrey> Gonna look at AOSP launcher source...
Aug 30 06:29:46 <StingRay_> oh thats just normal for me
Aug 30 06:29:59 <StingRay_> nexus 5, nexus 10 stock etc
Aug 30 06:33:23 <frankdrey> Hmm
Aug 30 06:33:29 <frankdrey> Really?
Aug 30 06:33:49 <frankdrey> Maybe if I set CATEGORY_LAUNCHER instead of CATEGORY_MAIN..
Aug 30 06:34:19 <StingRay_> never looked at launchers … do you control the trigger intent ?
Aug 30 06:34:36 <frankdrey> Yeah
Aug 30 06:34:43 <frankdrey> Wait
Aug 30 06:34:50 <frankdrey> The app launch intent? Yes
Aug 30 06:34:59 <StingRay_> overridePendingTransition
Aug 30 06:35:16 <StingRay_> do what you want then
Aug 30 06:35:16 <frankdrey> But I don't want custom
Aug 30 06:35:21 <frankdrey> I just want it to be consistent
Aug 30 06:35:31 <StingRay_> well whatever you do, do it all the time :)
Aug 30 06:35:35 <StingRay_> consistent ;)
Aug 30 06:36:23 <desmin88> AHA i figured this out
Aug 30 06:36:23 <frankdrey> Lol
Aug 30 06:36:29 <frankdrey> I mean with the rest of system
Aug 30 06:36:43 <frankdrey> Because rarely does the system use that animation on my phone
Aug 30 06:36:51 <frankdrey> It uses a zoom and fade from center
Aug 30 06:37:08 <StingRay_> oh same, hang on, what do you get again ?
Aug 30 06:37:11 <Carbonflux> is there a standard tool for recording a video of an app, for use in publishing in the play store?
Aug 30 06:37:26 <StingRay_> Carbonflux kitkat ?
Aug 30 06:37:44 <Carbonflux> its built into kitkat?
Aug 30 06:37:47 <StingRay_> adb does it now
Aug 30 06:37:57 <Carbonflux> ah ok, I can research that
Aug 30 06:38:01 <StingRay_> http://www.cnet.com/uk/how-to/how-to-record-your-screen-on-android-4-4-kitkat/
Aug 30 06:38:12 <Carbonflux> I know it takes screen shots etc
Aug 30 06:38:16 <Carbonflux> thanks :)
Aug 30 06:38:22 <StingRay_> AS has a record button now too
Aug 30 06:38:31 <frankdrey> My launcher zooms and fades from the bottom
Aug 30 06:38:34 <frankdrey> Sliding up
Aug 30 06:38:39 <frankdrey> And zooming and fading
Aug 30 06:38:43 <StingRay_> frankdrey oh, yeah that is odd
Aug 30 06:38:44 <frankdrey> It looks horrendous
Aug 30 06:39:04 <Carbonflux> I finished this app in Eclipse heh, next one will be AS tho.
Aug 30 06:39:06 <frankdrey> It makes sense for the settings icon in quick settings in notifications though
Aug 30 06:39:31 <frankdrey> OK about to try CATEGORY_LAUNCHER
Aug 30 06:40:26 <desmin88> So i didnt fix it :(
Aug 30 06:40:30 <frankdrey> Lol
Aug 30 06:40:57 <StingRay_> frankdrey was the CATEGORY_LAUNCHER ?
Aug 30 06:41:46 <Carbonflux> ah ok, so adb is using a screenrecord command in android itself
Aug 30 06:41:57 <Carbonflux> thanks for the information StingRay_ :)
Aug 30 06:42:02 <StingRay_> Carbonflux np
Aug 30 06:42:42 <frankdrey> It was DEFAULT before
Aug 30 06:45:04 <android-dev154> Hey guys. Anyone who has worked with the Samsung Chord library? I would really appreciate some help. Cheers guys :)
Aug 30 06:47:23 <desmin88> I dont get it, one child doesnt work but another does
Aug 30 06:47:54 <android-dev154> lol, what do u mean?
Aug 30 06:47:56 <JesusFreke> you should ground the other one, for being lazy
Aug 30 06:48:01 <desmin88> lol
Aug 30 06:48:06 <JesusFreke> no prom for the problematic child
Aug 30 06:48:51 <StingRay_> is there an easy method for clipping a canvas draw, but not the entire canvas ?
Aug 30 06:49:34 <android-dev154> so nobody has ever used the Chord SDK?
Aug 30 06:49:53 <StingRay_> android-dev154 never heard of it until now
Aug 30 06:50:02 <StingRay_> samsung only I take it ?
Aug 30 06:50:13 <android-dev154> http://developer.samsung.com/android/technical-docs/Chat-app-using-Chord-SDK-versus-standard-solutions
Aug 30 06:50:23 <android-dev154> no it is not restricted to Galaxy devices
Aug 30 06:50:44 <StingRay_> but samsung right ?
Aug 30 06:50:48 <android-dev154> yeah
Aug 30 06:50:50 <StingRay_> or any device ?
Aug 30 06:50:55 <android-dev154> any device
Aug 30 06:50:58 <JesusFreke> is that using 0mq?
Aug 30 06:51:10 <JesusFreke> hah, yeah. it is
Aug 30 06:51:18 <android-dev154> 0mq? whats that?
Aug 30 06:51:34 <JesusFreke> An open source networking library
Aug 30 06:51:59 <JesusFreke> I had played around with it with a few people while I was at samsung. I didn't realize they had actually done anything with that
Aug 30 06:53:35 <android-dev154> i need to create a multiclient server that 10-20 devices will connect and ask to get in queue. The first client in queue will be then asked back from the server to create a TCP connection for audio stream. Should i use Chord or 0mq?
Aug 30 06:54:04 <JesusFreke> you can use whatever you want. there is no "should"
Aug 30 06:54:23 <android-dev154> ok let me put it this way. I have 2 days to deliver my capstone. which is less pita?
Aug 30 06:54:29 <JesusFreke> chord uses 0mq. You can use chord. Or you can use 0mq. Or you can write something yourself.
Aug 30 06:54:58 <JesusFreke> I've never looked at the chord sdk :)
Aug 30 06:55:24 <android-dev154> i would use UDP multicast
Aug 30 06:55:36 <android-dev154> but i didn't get it to work. i think most routers block udp flood
Aug 30 06:56:15 <android-dev154> i just need to communicate with all the instances of my app in a wifi network. simple 2 way communication. nothing more.
Aug 30 06:56:45 <android-dev154> easiest way?
Aug 30 07:06:09 <frankdrey> OK so, still can't get it
Aug 30 07:06:56 <frankdrey> Can I post a link to apk so maybe you guys can see what animation I'm talking about? I have source too, but I haven't committed a few things from today
Aug 30 07:07:53 <frankdrey> Source is at github.com/andreyrd/ListLauncher and here's the apk: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D634B0AAD2B05C61!2336&authkey=!AGzLoGlrR4cn_So&ithint=file%2capk
Aug 30 07:08:28 <frankdrey> The fade in from bottom animation is bothering me since it seems android use a different animation elsewhere
Aug 30 07:10:19 <frankdrey> It's especially ugly because it goes black and then does the animation
Aug 30 07:21:04 <desmin88> Some pls help. http://pastie.org/9514587 The imageview at the very bottom gives the wrong hitRect, but the htmltextview works fine
Aug 30 07:21:11 <desmin88> someone*
Aug 30 07:22:22 <canvs2321-> what are you trying todo?
Aug 30 07:23:07 <desmin88> I have a swiping view which is disabled unless the user is swiping from the imageview
Aug 30 07:23:33 <desmin88> if i base it off the hit rectangle of the imageview it does not work, but the htmltextview does work
Aug 30 07:25:14 <canvs2321-> of hit rectangle? are you just tracking motion on your imageview?
Aug 30 07:25:27 <desmin88> the hit rectangle
Aug 30 07:26:41 <canvs2321-> what is this hit rectangle?
Aug 30 07:26:55 <desmin88> view.gethitrect
Aug 30 07:29:17 <SimonVT> If you're handling this in your SwipeLayout, you need to use offsetDescendantRectToMyCoords to get the right coords
Aug 30 07:30:29 <desmin88> say whaaaaaat
Aug 30 07:31:06 <desmin88> oh
Aug 30 07:31:11 <desmin88> let me try
Aug 30 07:31:33 <SimonVT> Also, not sure if you should use getDrawingRect instead of getHitRect
Aug 30 07:31:56 <SimonVT> Anyway, both getDrawingRect and getHitRect are coords within the ImageViews parent
Aug 30 07:32:13 <SimonVT> Unless all parent views up to the SwipeLayout are laid out at 0,0, you're gonna have a bad time
Aug 30 07:33:00 <desmin88> Gonna try right now with drawing rect and the offset method
Aug 30 07:33:37 <desmin88> :/
Aug 30 07:33:57 <desmin88> oh wait
Aug 30 07:37:34 <desmin88> Okay, the motion event I'm getting is from the SwipeLayout.
Aug 30 07:38:16 <desmin88> But the imageview is not a direct child of the swipelayout
Aug 30 07:39:11 <desmin88> https://github.com/daimajia/AndroidSwipeLayout/blob/master/library/src/main/java/com/daimajia/swipe/SwipeLayout.java#L645
Aug 30 07:39:49 <SimonVT> When it's not a direct child you need to offset the rect
Aug 30 07:41:43 <desmin88> From the parent view thats receiving the motion event?
Aug 30 07:42:25 <desmin88> holy shit
Aug 30 07:42:31 <desmin88> SimonVT i love you
Aug 30 07:43:07 <SimonVT> e.g. 100, 200 in your SwipeLayout is 0,0 in a child view positioned there
Aug 30 07:43:40 <desmin88> yeah i see the error of my ways now
Aug 30 07:53:34 <Topkek007> Need help for setting layout margins parameters programmatically – http://pastebin.com/embed_iframe.php?i=BLZmGL4c . By the way, it's my ~seventh day "playing" with java/android, still don't understand many things :S ; and those Intent intent = new intent(intent intent) drives me crazy. ;D
Aug 30 07:54:17 <danijoo> why not set it in xml ? :)
Aug 30 07:54:40 <Topkek007> Button is created in app itself
Aug 30 07:54:57 <Topkek007> and buttons are going to be labelable
Aug 30 07:55:02 <danijoo> no argument but ok :p
Aug 30 07:55:10 <danijoo> you need to set the margins on layout params
Aug 30 07:55:35 <danijoo> button.getLayoutParams().setMargins(left,top,right,bottom)
Aug 30 07:55:44 <danijoo> where left, top, right,bottom are pixels
Aug 30 07:56:00 <Topkek007> great, but what if I need dp?
Aug 30 07:56:30 <danijoo> context.getResources().getDisplayMetrics.density will give you a number to scale with
Aug 30 07:56:49 <danijoo> so  (10 * context.getResources().getDisplayMetrics.density) will be 10 dp
Aug 30 07:57:31 <danijoo> see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12728255/android-set-margin-programmatically-in-dp-on-button
Aug 30 07:58:50 <Topkek007> o, great!
Aug 30 07:58:52 <Topkek007> thanks!
Aug 30 07:58:56 <danijoo> yw
Aug 30 08:00:41 <Topkek007> oh :S The method setMargins(int, int, int, int) is undefined for the type ViewGroup.LayoutParams
Aug 30 08:00:45 <Topkek007> as always
Aug 30 08:02:23 <danijoo> you are right..
Aug 30 08:02:28 <AryKay> Hey guys. Does anyone know how the calendar database is structured on android? I'm trying to fetch events info, but I'm getting SQLite exceptions such as "no such column as Calendars"
Aug 30 08:02:56 <danijoo> Viewgroup.MarginLayoutParams
Aug 30 08:03:06 <danijoo> that has setMargins :)
Aug 30 08:06:02 <AryKay> I mean shouldn't Calendars._id=ID work?
Aug 30 08:06:19 <danijoo> You want to access the calendar sqlite database directly?
Aug 30 08:08:22 <AryKay> Preferably, or then using some cursor
Aug 30 08:08:46 <AryKay> Sorry this is my first time coding for android and I'm still trying to figure out how things work
Aug 30 08:09:47 <AryKay> Cursor eventCursor = contentResolver.query(builder.build(), new String[]  { "title", "begin", "end", "allDay"}, "Calendars._id=" + id, null, "startDay ASC, startMinute ASC");
Aug 30 08:12:09 <danijoo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5883938/getting-events-from-calendar
Aug 30 08:23:37 <AryKay> yeah the problem is that doesn't work and I can't figure out which URI I should use to access calendar data
Aug 30 08:23:56 <SimonVT> Calendard._ID is a constant, not a value
Aug 30 08:24:01 <AryKay> I've tried content://com.android.calendar/instances/when, content://com.android.calendar/calendars, content://com.android.calendar/events
Aug 30 08:36:11 <Topkek007> Well, I failed at getting setMargins to work, you said earlier that I could do that in .xml, right? I have one dedicated for button that is <shape> and using it already with buttonkek.setBackgroundResource(R.drawable.list_button);  but where I should add android:layout_margin="10dp" and exec it?
Aug 30 08:37:38 <danijoo> you should read into how to design layouts via xml.
Aug 30 08:39:15 <Topkek007> I know I can create a button in xml and have it there, however, buttons I try to implement are going to be user created and saved to file :S
Aug 30 08:39:30 <Topkek007> but as I know <button> has it's id
Aug 30 08:39:46 <Topkek007> how is it possible to use it dynamically
Aug 30 08:40:50 <Topkek007> I know I am way too less experienced to start developing app that appeared in my head ;D
Aug 30 08:42:45 <danijoo> Topkek007: something like this works http://pastebin.com/Ncqx9YLb
Aug 30 08:45:56 <Topkek007> danijoo: no effect :S
Aug 30 08:45:57 <Topkek007> :D
Aug 30 08:47:15 <Topkek007> this line does not do anything: params.setMargins(10,10,10,10);
Aug 30 08:47:22 <Topkek007> however, the above one did
Aug 30 08:50:04 <danijoo> oO gm but it should..
Aug 30 08:52:35 <Topkek007> perhaps last line should be including params, I have no idea. :D http://pastebin.com/6YTuAUhY
Aug 30 08:55:50 <StingRay_> Topkek007 perhaps if you show the entire layout it maybe good :)
Aug 30 08:56:07 <StingRay_> rather than just the snippet you think could be wrong
Aug 30 08:56:37 <StingRay_> so for example the parents of this whole thing
Aug 30 08:56:50 <StingRay_> as they can dictate what you are seeing and not seeing :)
Aug 30 09:00:32 <Topkek007> if this is what you asked for: http://pastebin.com/NXdx3s0T :D
Aug 30 09:01:58 <StingRay_> and the layout file R.layout.activity_main ?
Aug 30 09:04:20 <Topkek007> http://pastebin.com/46FYfqCy
Aug 30 09:04:23 <Topkek007> here it is
Aug 30 09:05:06 <Topkek007> changed color values though :D
Aug 30 09:07:22 <Topkek007> Button18 looks perfect, however those generated onClick of Button18 don't have margins set
Aug 30 09:13:26 <Topkek007> I don't see how is it possible to make this harder, gj google :D
Aug 30 09:14:25 <Topkek007> *it is
Aug 30 09:19:26 <StingRay_> Topkek007 http://pastebin.com/FcM8HMiz
Aug 30 09:20:16 <StingRay_> oops I changed the width to wrap, change back to MATCH
Aug 30 09:22:16 <Topkek007> buttonkek.setGravity(Gravity.CENTER);
Aug 30 09:22:34 <StingRay_> just matching the other button in the layout
Aug 30 09:22:35 <Topkek007> params.get did not work
Aug 30 09:22:42 <Topkek007> yes, changed that
Aug 30 09:22:46 <StingRay_> params get ?
Aug 30 09:23:11 <Topkek007> oops, set
Aug 30 09:23:11 <Topkek007> :D
Aug 30 09:23:16 <Topkek007> params.setGravity
Aug 30 09:23:29 <Topkek007> wrong type or smth
Aug 30 09:23:30 <StingRay_> oh sh*t
Aug 30 09:23:36 <StingRay_> params.gravity =
Aug 30 09:23:38 <StingRay_> lol
Aug 30 09:23:48 <StingRay_> me being dense… oh the joys of an IDE
Aug 30 09:24:18 <Topkek007> :D
Aug 30 09:24:39 <Topkek007> I am new at java and android, do not understand anything anyway :D
Aug 30 09:25:04 <Topkek007> but yes! Thank you very much!
Aug 30 09:25:17 <Topkek007> works/10!
Aug 30 09:25:31 <StingRay_> indeed
Aug 30 09:25:35 <Topkek007> now I need to realise /why/ it works ;D
Aug 30 09:26:00 <StingRay_> cause in context of what it sits and what you were expecting, the advice solution is different
Aug 30 09:26:09 <StingRay_> you presented what you "thought" was wrong
Aug 30 09:26:15 <StingRay_> not the entire case
Aug 30 09:26:43 <StingRay_> this just a test or something ?
Aug 30 09:27:00 <StingRay_> kinda not great adding views and managing them in onClick
Aug 30 09:27:33 <StingRay_> also blindly adding to a parent view who's child you just clicked to add the view to the clicks parent…wow….confusing :)
Aug 30 09:29:35 <Topkek007> test right now
Aug 30 09:30:26 <Topkek007> later the button creating buttons is going to be below and onclick person will need to enter a label
Aug 30 09:31:30 <Topkek007> I do not know better ways, though ;D
Aug 30 09:31:49 <Topkek007> 7th day with java
Aug 30 09:31:56 <Topkek007> and android
Aug 30 09:31:59 <StingRay_> what is the aim/purpose ?
Aug 30 09:32:36 <Topkek007> well, if you ask what those buttons will do..
Aug 30 09:33:03 <Topkek007> well, imagine a notepad
Aug 30 09:33:04 <Topkek007> :D
Aug 30 09:33:27 <lacx> Topkek007: make your code as simple and re-usable as possible, then it will make it much easier to test and debug
Aug 30 09:33:33 <Topkek007> open that button and you get text to enter as .txt container
Aug 30 09:36:35 <Topkek007> lacx: that is true, but I do not understand how Java works; what matters now is smooth-enough performance and that the code works.. I really want to realize my idea, it is not a notepad however. ;D
Aug 30 09:37:26 <Topkek007> optimizing is the thing I will do when everything will work :D
Aug 30 09:37:38 <Topkek007> ugh, my grammar :D
Aug 30 09:42:57 <sylon> hi
Aug 30 09:50:23 <gordon_> hello!
Aug 30 09:50:41 <gordon_> who's using robolectric with gradle and can share build config ? ;)
Aug 30 09:50:41 <sylon> hey gordon
Aug 30 09:52:49 <l403> Hello. I am trying to setup build for xt897 following http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Build_for_xt897 but breakfast tells me device not found
Aug 30 09:53:21 <l403> could someone point me to what I need to do to get the device specific repo?
Aug 30 09:56:01 <StingRay_> l403 wrong channel
Aug 30 09:56:04 <StingRay_> read topic
Aug 30 09:56:24 <StingRay_> and in context the official CM channel is out there too :)
Aug 30 09:56:40 <sylon> there is #cyanogenmod-dev
Aug 30 09:57:40 <l403> oh, sorry. thank you
Aug 30 10:04:45 <gordon_> nobody ?
Aug 30 10:08:38 <sylon> gordon_: i wish i had code to test haha :(
Aug 30 10:09:30 <wagamama> what's the difference between calling super.getActivity() and getActivity() from a fragment?
Aug 30 10:11:40 <gordon_> sylon: I'd rather cry than laugh in that case
Aug 30 10:21:24 <sylon> perhaps
Aug 30 10:59:43 <gordon_> someone was using robolectric with gradle
Aug 30 10:59:47 <gordon_> dont remember who it was
Aug 30 11:00:30 <StingRay_> sure 1000s are
Aug 30 11:00:47 <gordon_> https://github.com/robolectric/robolectric-gradle-plugin
Aug 30 11:00:48 <gordon_> ;O
Aug 30 11:01:00 <gordon_> seems official
Aug 30 11:01:57 <StingRay_> but I fancy you finding the answer on google quicker than asking constantly in here … well, attempting to find users here
Aug 30 11:02:08 <StingRay_> S/O ? maybe
Aug 30 11:02:27 <gordon_> StingRay_: the problem is, I was looking before and some of them are deprecated and it's hard to find working one
Aug 30 11:02:58 <gordon_> I will try this one and report here if it's working or not
Aug 30 11:13:49 <gordon_> doesnt work
Aug 30 11:15:47 <gordon_> good ol "stub!" error
Aug 30 11:41:14 <gordon_> ok got it working
Aug 30 11:41:33 <gordon_> should write post about it later
Aug 30 12:25:10 <Papipo> Hi!
Aug 30 12:25:36 <Papipo> anybody using retrofit with OkHttp knows how I can clear the response cache?
Aug 30 12:37:28 <hackable> Morning bro...
Aug 30 12:37:31 <hackable> need help...
Aug 30 12:37:45 <hackable> want to convert the first page of pdf file into image..
Aug 30 12:38:58 <hackable> any lib outside their i can use
Aug 30 13:03:22 <KeyboardNotFound> Is better to create diffrent View.OnClickListeners for different buttons or use the same onclicklistener for more buttons?
Aug 30 13:03:58 <SimonVT> neglible difference
Aug 30 13:04:42 <KeyboardNotFound> SimonVT, I think that the first method uses more RAM memory.
Aug 30 13:05:00 <rgr> not really.
Aug 30 13:05:01 <Duclula|PC> hi, im trying to create an app using eclipse, i have added a gallery widget and added the images to the /bin/appimages folder how do i make the gallery read the images from that folder?
Aug 30 13:06:48 <Duclula|PC> heres my activity_main.xml http://prntscr.com/4hyg2n
Aug 30 13:07:02 <Duclula|PC> what do i need to add for the gallery to work
Aug 30 13:08:42 <rgr> You do the tutorials, read the documentation and implement it in Java. The ask specific questions about API calls or things that dont work here : providing a pastebin of your code that hopefully someone will look at and point you in the right direction.
Aug 30 13:08:54 <rgr> giving an id "gallery1" is quite a long way from making it "work"....
Aug 30 13:09:08 <rgr> actually scrub that ;)
Aug 30 13:09:35 <MikeWallaceDev> hate to say it Duclula|PC but I'm with rgr
Aug 30 13:10:40 <rgr> "Im writing an app to do X how do I do it but I dont know any Java". Its getting tiring :)
Aug 30 13:10:58 <MikeWallaceDev> yep... I hear ya
Aug 30 13:11:52 <Ashiren> use phonegap [solved]
Aug 30 13:12:21 <MikeWallaceDev> I'm here to help coders, of any calibre. But if you don't even try to get it to work, don't read up and don't scratch your head a bit, then you're not a coder.
Aug 30 13:12:38 <MikeWallaceDev> Script kiddies begone!
Aug 30 13:14:16 <MikeWallaceDev> How do I install Eclipse Studio? I want to make iPad programs.
Aug 30 13:15:17 <rgr> We've all been there but when its quicker to google than ask I find that a tad tiring. Then yesterday I guy asked about his app hanging  : Id already pointed him to an easily googleable intro to Runnable etc and what does he do? Totally ignore it , instantiate a "Thread t" then totally not use it and sticks a Thread.sleep(500) in his mainUI thread. Now mistakes are fine but totally ignoring advice and then piling ahead with zero idea of
Aug 30 13:15:17 <rgr> what a thread or runnable is AND ignoring the pointer to a good stack overflow intro to the subject is when I tend to get a bit "grrr".
Aug 30 13:17:39 <MikeWallaceDev> that's where I see a different, the "We".  "We" are programmers.  And again, I'm not talking about how good your are it (Like you said, we all started somewhere) but we have that spark.
Aug 30 13:18:27 <MikeWallaceDev> There's a difference between "how do I get this to work?" and "do this for me" :)
Aug 30 13:30:29 <zhangxaochen> I'm on win7x64 now, between adt bundle x32 and x64, which is better to install?
Aug 30 13:52:40 <crised> Is there is a custom service for linux, similar to Google Cloud Messaging or Apple Push Notification Service?
Aug 30 13:52:54 <crised> In  a linux (not android) device with dynamic IP, how can a "send to sync" message can be implemented?
Aug 30 13:58:24 <Panni> Hello everyone, does someone know a good tutorial on how to create your own keyboard (e.g. something like SwiftKey)? All the guides I found were based on Keyboards that only pop-up in your own application, but what I want to do is a keyboard that can be used in all applications/inputs
Aug 30 13:58:53 <MikeWallaceDev> Panni, search IME
Aug 30 13:59:24 <MikeWallaceDev> search _for_ IME :D
Aug 30 14:00:52 <rgr> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/text/creating-input-method.html
Aug 30 14:02:00 <Panni> MikeWallaceDev rgr Thanks, I think that's what I was looking for ^-^
Aug 30 14:02:23 <crised> How does GCM works?
Aug 30 14:02:31 <crised> Which protocol does it use to tickle a mobile device?
Aug 30 14:03:21 <Mavrik> it uses a long polling TCP connections and modified XMPP protocol
Aug 30 14:05:00 <crised> Mavrik: cool, is there an open source library to have the same effect on non android devices?
Aug 30 14:05:12 <Mavrik> I doubt it.
Aug 30 14:05:47 <crised> Mavrik: Which would be a close solution?
Aug 30 14:11:27 <MikeWallaceDev> BTW, Tip:  I use this to manage my keys http://portecle.sourceforge.net/
Aug 30 14:11:36 <MikeWallaceDev> What do you use?
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Aug 30 14:48:40 <killer> Hey , what are the default fonts that are available in android 4.0 +
Aug 30 15:05:07 <Zta1> Mjello
Aug 30 15:53:45 <Zta1> I want to make a series of pages in a viewpager, and I want them all to have a header and a footer.  The header shows the title for that page, and the footer shows custom next/prev buttons, of course also changing pr. page ...
Aug 30 15:53:49 <Zta1> Could I then make some sort of templating pattern where I create a HeaderFooterRelativeLayout, where I use my own layout.xml with header and footer views and a container view, and overwrite add(View) to add to the container view?  Or how would it be done?
Aug 30 16:01:33 <jug6ernaut> forgive me if this is something obvious but I'm finding contradicting information. How does unit testing work with gradle?
Aug 30 16:04:25 <Zta1> I could just <include> header and footer in every fragment, but ... <include> is weird.  I though perhaps it could be done more neatly with a design pattern.
Aug 30 16:09:16 <rgr> just src/test/java and have your annotated test classes there.
Aug 30 16:09:24 <rgr> gradle picks it up
Aug 30 16:09:55 <rgr> Zta1: it seems to me that your first suggestions is the one. You have a layout, expand it and then wack whatever you want into the child container.
Aug 30 16:10:29 <Zta1> Great, I'm already trying it out.
Aug 30 16:27:25 <resu01> hello. Is it possible to add an activity to a bundle? In the same way we do bundle.putString(something);
Aug 30 16:34:53 <Zta1> resu01: no.  You maybe want to look at http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/starting-activity.html or http://developer.android.com/training/basics/intents/result.html ... or something else =)
Aug 30 16:35:21 <resu01> thanks
Aug 30 16:36:44 <lintguy> Is there anyone here that is familiar with android audio and how it works? I'm planning to catch the audio stream coming from chromium on android and process it, then output the processed audio. But i have no clue where to look or if it's even possible.
Aug 30 16:37:34 <finishingmove> I have an Activity with 2 Fragments, both of which host a ListView. What is the more natural place to keep the ArrayAdapters in -- the Activity or the respective Fragments?
Aug 30 16:39:20 <mizux> Hi, i hope, i'm in the correct channel
Aug 30 16:40:30 <Leeds> mizux: depends on what you're looking for...
Aug 30 16:41:00 <mizux> i use an application call "TerminalIDE" which allow you to compile android apk directly on device
Aug 30 16:41:07 <mizux> https://github.com/patilswapnilv/TerminalIDE/tree/master/TermIDE
Aug 30 16:41:30 <Leeds> yup, it's cool
Aug 30 16:41:40 <mizux> so what i want to do is (many thing):
Aug 30 16:42:55 <mizux> use my tab (pro 12'2 -> android 4.4) to do some dev offline (can't have wifi to do ssh dev)
Aug 30 16:43:33 <mizux> so I would like to maintain this app (seems dead on google code) to integrate last gcc or other tools
Aug 30 16:43:45 <mizux> my tab is not rooted
Aug 30 16:44:01 <mizux> i also look on https://github.com/dorimanx/android-busybox-ndk
Aug 30 16:44:08 <mizux> https://github.com/jackpal/Android-Terminal-Emulator
Aug 30 16:44:16 <mizux> and kbox2
Aug 30 16:44:33 <mizux> so does people have already play with it ?
Aug 30 16:45:07 <mizux> if I want to add new binary how to do it etc ? -> if you have tuto, repo etc...
Aug 30 16:46:21 <mizux> http://kevinboone.net/kbox2.html http://kevinboone.net/kbox2_downloads.html (sorry for the "spam")
Aug 30 16:47:09 <mizux> so if i can "merge" a busybox(terminal) + gcc4.8 + java compilation tools
Aug 30 16:47:33 <mizux> I will be happy and if possible using gradle cli build system
Aug 30 17:12:53 <killer> Hey , I have a button and I want to have different margin for above and below , curremtly I am using android:layout_margin
Aug 30 17:13:27 <rgr> And?
Aug 30 17:13:57 <MikeWallaceDev> hehe
Aug 30 17:15:10 <finishingmove> I have an activity with 2 fragments
Aug 30 17:15:25 <finishingmove> both of them have a listview with the same layout and same type of items, but they change independently
Aug 30 17:15:51 <finishingmove> I'm reusing the way, but is there a good way of reusing the fragment as well?
Aug 30 17:15:59 <finishingmove> reusing the view*
Aug 30 17:16:25 <finishingmove> basically my problem is
Aug 30 17:16:34 <finishingmove> that I need to set the adapter inside the fragment
Aug 30 17:16:44 <finishingmove> so I would need to somehow pass the adapter into the fragment instance
Aug 30 17:17:06 <Napalm|afk> killer: just use android:layout_marginTop and android:layout_marginBottom
Aug 30 17:17:21 <MikeWallaceDev> You're like me finishingmove , just by asking the question you're going to find your answer :)
Aug 30 17:17:27 <rgr> show your code. "reusing the way" doesnt make much sense without code.
Aug 30 17:17:49 <finishingmove> reusing the view I meant
Aug 30 17:18:04 <Napalm> finishingmove: hold up, explain what you are trying to do
Aug 30 17:18:06 <rgr> killer:  or try to use the auto completion in your IDE.... or bring up the help for the XML.
Aug 30 17:18:16 <finishingmove> k, so
Aug 30 17:18:31 <finishingmove> I have 2 tabs in my activity, each of them is represented by a fragment
Aug 30 17:18:34 <finishingmove> and each of them has a list
Aug 30 17:18:59 <finishingmove> both datasets are in the activity
Aug 30 17:19:03 <finishingmove> and so are the adapters
Aug 30 17:19:19 <rgr> each fragment would be a different subclass of your own fragmetn subclass or fragment directly. You simply set a different listener in your subclass onCreateView.
Aug 30 17:19:22 <Napalm> this already sounds bad
Aug 30 17:19:43 <Napalm> finishingmove: and what about it.. what is the problem?
Aug 30 17:20:39 <finishingmove> rgr, that's what I was thinking as well... but I am wondering if this design makes sense at all
Aug 30 17:20:59 <Napalm> finishingmove: you still havent full explained
Aug 30 17:21:06 <finishingmove> ok so
Aug 30 17:21:15 <MikeWallaceDev> finishingmove: it's sound like you have two displays showing the same data type, correct?
Aug 30 17:21:22 <finishingmove> the datasets and the adapters for the listviews inside the fragments are in the parent activity
Aug 30 17:21:39 <finishingmove> because they change in some callbacks that are in the activity
Aug 30 17:21:57 <rgr> its nothing to do with data type  (or not directly) he's wondering about the partitioning of the logic between Applicatin and fragment.
Aug 30 17:22:05 <finishingmove> yeah
Aug 30 17:22:09 <Napalm> finishingmove: thats not a good enough reason to put them there
Aug 30 17:22:15 <Napalm> finishingmove: but carry on
Aug 30 17:22:36 <MikeWallaceDev> rgr: I got that, but it seems like he is creating too many types... There should be reuse.
Aug 30 17:22:46 <rgr> Yes. See above.
Aug 30 17:22:53 <rgr> each fragment would be a different subclass of your own fragmetn subclass or fragment directly. You simply set a different listener in your subclass onCreateView.
Aug 30 17:23:14 <MikeWallaceDev> exactly, you don't need different subclasses...
Aug 30 17:23:22 <MikeWallaceDev> one class, two instances
Aug 30 17:23:27 <rgr> btw I dont see anything "evil" in how he's done it : its common that the data and "work" flow is tagged onto the activity.
Aug 30 17:23:54 <finishingmove> MikeWallaceDev, the problem is the two instances need to use a different adapter and a different dataset
Aug 30 17:24:10 <Napalm> rgr: the actvity lifecycle is replicated to fragments for that reason, so the lifecycle can also be used in fragments
Aug 30 17:24:19 <finishingmove> so I don't know if I can pull it off with just one fragment class
Aug 30 17:24:21 <MikeWallaceDev> two instance of the Fragemnt, each with their own instance of adapter.
Aug 30 17:24:30 <finishingmove> and how to pass the adapter?
Aug 30 17:24:38 <finishingmove> I can't serialize or parcel it
Aug 30 17:24:40 <finishingmove> can I ?
Aug 30 17:24:52 <Napalm> finishingmove: depends on what you are doing. but that is what ListFragment is for
Aug 30 17:25:15 <Napalm> finishingmove: by the sounds of it.. you could just use ListFragment directly and set the adapter from the activity
Aug 30 17:25:32 <MikeWallaceDev> yep
Aug 30 17:25:42 <rgr> Sure Napalm but were not talking UI specifics in the Activity : just teh data the fragments (or not) manipulate. Or I misunderstood. Also there is nothing in what was said that indicates the "two lists" are in any way similar.
Aug 30 17:26:07 <MikeWallaceDev> yeah rgr he said they were the same
Aug 30 17:26:17 <rgr> Also stay away from ListFragment IMO. It's a pain and provides little in terms of "ease of use" compared to just created your own Fragment class which inflates a LisTView.
Aug 30 17:26:23 <Napalm> it doesn't matter if they are the same or not. because the adapters are in the Activity
Aug 30 17:26:31 <finishingmove> ok so
Aug 30 17:26:51 <finishingmove> the reason I could not set the adapter in the activity is because onCreateView in the fragment is executed after onCreate in activity
Aug 30 17:26:57 <finishingmove> are you saying this is different with ListFragments?
Aug 30 17:27:14 <Napalm> finishingmove: its different
Aug 30 17:27:33 <MikeWallaceDev> you are allowed to create your list with a null adapter
Aug 30 17:27:37 <MikeWallaceDev> and set it later
Aug 30 17:27:55 <Napalm> finishingmove: you can call setListAdapter before the ListView is even created.
Aug 30 17:28:46 <danijoo> rgr why is listfragment a pain? If you only what a list (not sure why using it if not), its really easy and straight forward
Aug 30 17:30:03 <Napalm> danijoo: it can be a pain if you want to provide your own custom layout that does more than the default.. because they use internal view ids
Aug 30 17:30:04 <MikeWallaceDev> It's that it's not much easier danijoo , you just lose options
Aug 30 17:30:17 <Napalm> danijoo: but there is a way around that
Aug 30 17:30:36 <danijoo> what options do you lose o.O its just an embedded list ..
Aug 30 17:30:58 <danijoo> basically the same as an xml with nothing more then a listview in it
Aug 30 17:31:10 <MikeWallaceDev> well, yes, you're right, I didn't say that correctly.  You don't lose, it just becomes harder
Aug 30 17:31:35 <Napalm> finishingmove: want an example?
Aug 30 17:31:57 <MikeWallaceDev> It's easier as long as you stay simple. But as soon as you try to expand, it becomes more difficult
Aug 30 17:32:07 <MikeWallaceDev> you might as well just use a ListView
Aug 30 17:32:42 <Napalm> finishingmove: are you using ActionBar tabs?
Aug 30 17:32:57 <finishingmove> Napalm, yes I am using ActionBar tabs
Aug 30 17:33:12 <finishingmove> so in case of using a ListFragment, what are the possible downsides?
Aug 30 17:33:18 <finishingmove> with extensibility in the future etc.
Aug 30 17:34:03 <Napalm> finishingmove: none, you can always make your own to replace it
Aug 30 17:34:31 <finishingmove> ok, so
Aug 30 17:34:56 <danijoo> Napalm: not sure what you mean with "internal view ids" put i just looked at the source of listfragment, and it really isnt anything else then extending Fragment and inflating an xml with a listview in it
Aug 30 17:35:22 <danijoo> and < 10 methods to do stuff like setAdapter
Aug 30 17:35:28 <finishingmove> going with the ListFragment and moving setAdapter (setListAdapter) up into the activity, or moving the data and adapters down into the Fragments
Aug 30 17:35:39 <MikeWallaceDev> danijoo: you have to use specific ids, or it doesn't work
Aug 30 17:35:40 <finishingmove> which of these two options you guys think is better?
Aug 30 17:36:57 <danijoo> id for wha
Aug 30 17:36:58 <danijoo> t
Aug 30 17:37:34 <MikeWallaceDev> the list, the items
Aug 30 17:37:43 <MikeWallaceDev> no, the list :)
Aug 30 17:38:07 <danijoo> yeah. how should it find the underlying list if you dont :p
Aug 30 17:38:33 <Napalm> finishingmove: the way I see it is currently you have no need for fragments.. you should just create your ListView's and have the tab callbacks animate them. Thats what we used to do before fragments. Fragments are a way of seperating logic from an Activity. To make your application more flexible. So you can replace a block of functionality/views with something else at runtime. so on a
Aug 30 17:38:33 <Napalm> tablet you could provide a different view and functionality, for instance.
Aug 30 17:39:37 <finishingmove> if I recall correctly, the need from Fragments came from using the ViewPager
Aug 30 17:39:49 <Napalm> finishingmove: nope
Aug 30 17:40:15 <finishingmove> well, I was following the guide provided in the official docs
Aug 30 17:40:51 <finishingmove> http://developer.android.com/training/animation/screen-slide.html
Aug 30 17:41:32 <finishingmove> so I meant the need for Fragments in the context of my app
Aug 30 17:42:26 <MikeWallaceDev> I don't think that you should worry about the Fragments now.  You have them, that's fine...
Aug 30 17:45:56 <finishingmove> ok guys, thanks for all the advices
Aug 30 17:51:00 <MikeWallaceDev> you're welcome mate
Aug 30 17:51:25 <MikeWallaceDev> I tried googling for "tools:ignore="ExportedActivity""  but I can't find an explanation for it, what does it do?
Aug 30 17:52:50 <danijoo> you can mark activities as exported if you want to allow other applications to launch them
Aug 30 17:52:56 <danijoo> i guess it has something to do with that.
Aug 30 17:53:00 <danijoo> never seen it though
Aug 30 17:53:31 <danijoo> maybe its to stop complaining the IDE about an activity thats not present in the build because its exported from another?
Aug 30 17:54:33 <MikeWallaceDev> no, this is in the definition of an activity
Aug 30 17:54:45 <MikeWallaceDev>       <activity
Aug 30 17:54:45 <MikeWallaceDev>          android:name="com.risesoftware.coverDetector.InfoActivity"
Aug 30 17:54:45 <MikeWallaceDev>          android:exported="true"
Aug 30 17:54:45 <MikeWallaceDev>          tools:ignore="ExportedActivity">
Aug 30 17:56:51 <danijoo> it ignores lint errors that arrise due to exported=true then
Aug 30 17:57:05 <danijoo> like warning about permission
Aug 30 17:57:15 <MikeWallaceDev> ah, that can be
Aug 30 17:57:45 <danijoo> see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10474134/exported-service-does-not-require-permission-what-does-it-mean
Aug 30 17:57:58 <danijoo> its for service, but i think its the same reason
Aug 30 18:00:20 <MikeWallaceDev> it's kind of weird that they would add that attribute AND the exported attribute...
Aug 30 18:00:28 <MikeWallaceDev> but ok.
Aug 30 18:01:03 <danijoo> the attribute is still there in the final build
Aug 30 18:01:22 <danijoo> tools:ignore only blocks lint checks from mocking arround because of being lint
Aug 30 18:01:52 <MikeWallaceDev> I know
Aug 30 18:02:17 <MikeWallaceDev> on the page you showed me, the coder omitted to put the exported attribute
Aug 30 18:02:28 <MikeWallaceDev> so it's normal to me that lint would check it
Aug 30 18:02:34 <MikeWallaceDev> but here's it's explicitly set
Aug 30 18:03:05 <danijoo> it may depend on you lint configuration
Aug 30 18:03:34 <danijoo> I dont know much about that though :/
Aug 30 18:13:27 <javnut> I need to draw a wav and then be able to slide that wav
Aug 30 18:13:33 <javnut> what class do I use to do that?
Aug 30 18:15:12 <danijoo> whats a wav.
Aug 30 18:16:37 <MikeWallaceDev> I think he means wave
Aug 30 18:17:40 <danijoo> maybe. Then there is no class for that. You can use SurfaceView and draw the wave on your own (trigonometrie :/ )
Aug 30 18:19:46 <MikeWallaceDev> If you don't remember how to spell it danijoo just write 'trig' :D  Easy to remember!
Aug 30 18:19:59 <danijoo> haha :D
Aug 30 18:20:16 <danijoo> Spelled it right, just not in the right language xD
Aug 30 18:20:29 <danijoo> its trigonometry then, i guess :p
Aug 30 18:21:21 <MikeWallaceDev> I think so... I went to French school, so I actually know it as the other way you spelled it!
Aug 30 18:21:57 <danijoo> ah yeah. Im from germany but i think its the same in french
Aug 30 18:22:18 <danijoo> learned french at school (got an E though :p )
Aug 30 18:23:28 <MikeWallaceDev> virtually the same.  There's an accent on the e
Aug 30 18:23:36 <MikeWallaceDev> (to be precise)
Aug 30 18:23:53 <danijoo> those things were the reason for my E :)
Aug 30 18:23:58 <danijoo> all those accents..
Aug 30 18:25:31 <MikeWallaceDev> most are easy
Aug 30 18:25:43 <MikeWallaceDev> The sound is very different
Aug 30 18:25:50 <MikeWallaceDev> sometimes it's hard though
Aug 30 18:25:56 <MikeWallaceDev> But we digress :D
Aug 30 18:25:59 <danijoo> not for a pupil in the middle of its puberty :D
Aug 30 18:26:09 <MikeWallaceDev> We're supposed to be speaking Android, not French! :D
Aug 30 18:26:13 <danijoo> yes!
Aug 30 18:26:14 <danijoo> :D
Aug 30 18:31:21 <MikeWallaceDev> Hey all, I made a Locale (the app) plugin that detects when you close the cover on your device.  If you use Locale then come join the beta : http://goo.gl/Rp105L
Aug 30 18:40:17 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I was driving around to test my gps app, and I ran into two problems, main problem is that the screen doesnt move when the new gps location is updated. Here is the code. http://pastebin.com/i2gGfVdG
Aug 30 18:40:56 <Demon_Jester> the second problem is when the gps location is updated on the map it goes to the new location then back to the old location marked on the map then back to the new location..
Aug 30 18:56:44 <j`ey> Hi
Aug 30 18:57:22 <j`ey> Im trying to use wifi direct. on my "server" app, how can I make sure wifi direct is on?
Aug 30 19:00:16 <danijoo> j`ey: i dont think you can see a difference between wifi and wifi direct from android code
Aug 30 19:03:32 <j`ey> danijoo: well, Unless I click "wifi direct" in my settings  I cant see the server
Aug 30 19:03:50 <j`ey> but if I do that, I cant run my app at the same time..
Aug 30 19:04:24 <danijoo> not sure if I understand that correctly. You have one app as server on one device and the other as client on another?
Aug 30 19:04:33 <danijoo> for p2p communication?
Aug 30 19:05:28 <j`ey> yes
Aug 30 19:06:17 <danijoo> Are you using WifiP2PManager?
Aug 30 19:06:21 <j`ey> Yes
Aug 30 19:06:57 <j`ey> Ive made a connection using that. now I *think* I need to use Socket/ServerSockry
Aug 30 19:07:07 <danijoo> im not familiar with that but It might be a good idea to post your code so others might be able to help
Aug 30 19:07:12 <j`ey> *ServerSocket
Aug 30 19:10:43 <j`ey> In not sure if the server side also needs to use wifip2p
Aug 30 19:11:29 <danijoo> afaik yes
Aug 30 19:11:58 <danijoo> i just glanced over the google docs on it and it seems the connection is esablished via  Wifip2p  on both devices
Aug 30 19:12:07 <danijoo> but i never used it..
Aug 30 19:14:08 <j`ey> Ill take a look at https://github.com/mayfourth/WiFi-Direct-File-Transfer?files=1 seems useful
Aug 30 19:14:24 <danijoo> have you followed the google documentation on that?
Aug 30 19:14:38 <danijoo> this guide seems pretty useful: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/wifip2p.html
Aug 30 19:33:54 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I was driving around to test my gps app, and I ran into two problems, main problem is that the screen doesnt move when the new gps location is updated. Here is the code. http://pastebin.com/i2gGfVdG
Aug 30 19:37:58 <MikeWallaceDev> sorry Demon_Jester, read it earlier, still don't know :D
Aug 30 19:39:05 <Demon_Jester> oh ok I mustve missed your comment hold on  iwill look
Aug 30 19:39:15 <Demon_Jester> oh nvm i see what you mean.
Aug 30 19:41:41 <j`ey> danijoo: I did follow some documentation
Aug 30 19:42:30 <MikeWallaceDev> sorry, no, I didn't comment, I just meant that I saw it earlier :)
Aug 30 20:02:06 <AMomchilov> I'm having some difficulty with setColorFilter, more specifically PorterDuff modes =/
Aug 30 20:02:23 <AMomchilov> I want to customize an android built in drawble, such as ic_menu_camera
Aug 30 20:02:53 <AMomchilov> but all of the color modes also color the alpha part of the image, which leads to the button being framed by an (undesirable) blue square
Aug 30 20:02:58 <AMomchilov> What should I do?
Aug 30 20:11:18 <Napalm> AMomchilov: use a ColorMatrixColorFilter
Aug 30 20:13:35 <desmin88> hi folks
Aug 30 20:16:22 <AMomchilov> Napalm: can you elaborate please?
Aug 30 20:16:26 <AMomchilov> desmin88: hey hey :D
Aug 30 20:17:08 <Demon_Jester> just curious does anyone know if android can resolve dns?
Aug 30 20:17:29 <Napalm> Demon_Jester: as in you want to resolve it?
Aug 30 20:17:38 <Demon_Jester> resolve dyanimic dns
Aug 30 20:18:08 <Demon_Jester> like no-ip dns or dyndns
Aug 30 20:18:25 <AMomchilov> ofc
Aug 30 20:18:37 <AMomchilov> those aren't any different to any other address
Aug 30 20:18:39 <Demon_Jester> by default or will I need to make a method for dns resolver?
Aug 30 20:18:43 <lewellyn> those tend to just be dns records with a short ttl
Aug 30 20:18:50 <AMomchilov> ^
Aug 30 20:18:52 <Napalm> Demon_Jester: just use InetAddress.getByName(host);
Aug 30 20:19:02 <Demon_Jester> Thanks napalm
Aug 30 20:19:08 <lewellyn> just be careful caching the result.
Aug 30 20:19:20 <Demon_Jester> cause it could be more than one ip address correct?
Aug 30 20:19:30 <Demon_Jester> and could be trying to connect to old ip address?
Aug 30 20:19:31 <lewellyn> no, because the record's lifetime is short.
Aug 30 20:19:38 <Demon_Jester> oh ok
Aug 30 20:19:48 <Napalm> Demon_Jester: you mean InetAddress.getAllByName(host); ?
Aug 30 20:19:56 <lewellyn> if you cache for too long, you'll have stale data (and try to connect to the old ip)
Aug 30 20:20:08 <lewellyn> no, getByName
Aug 30 20:20:10 <AMomchilov> Napalm: I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4354939/understanding-the-use-of-colormatrix-and-colormatrixcolorfilter-to-modify-a-draw but i'm kind of lost on it D:
Aug 30 20:20:58 <Demon_Jester> lewllyn I said that in different wording "and could be trying to connect to old ip address?" I mean sure I misunderstood from the first statement.
Aug 30 20:23:01 <lewellyn> fun random tip for those idling: InetAddress.getByName(null); will give you the loopback address (usually either 127.0.0.1 or ::1) which can be a good way to determine if the resolver configuration defaults to ipv6 or ipv4... ;)
Aug 30 20:23:17 <AMomchilov> hah that's a messy hack xD
Aug 30 20:23:20 <Demon_Jester> lewllyn: thats good to know actually
Aug 30 20:23:37 <lewellyn> AMomchilov: it's the cleanest way i know to determine the preferred resolution order
Aug 30 20:23:46 <AMomchilov> yikes
Aug 30 20:23:55 <AMomchilov> there should be a .defaultsToIP6()
Aug 30 20:25:13 <lewellyn> that's a platform issue, not a language issue ;)
Aug 30 20:25:25 <lewellyn> besides ipv4 is dying rapidly, finally.
Aug 30 20:25:49 <skulltower> If I call an AsyncTask (a separate class) from an activity and display a Dialog in onPreExecute, will that dialog show on my activity's context?
Aug 30 20:26:13 <skulltower> Actually, how can I refer that activity from this AsyncTask
Aug 30 20:26:28 <Napalm> AMomchilov: https://gist.github.com/slightfoot/714f0b85f12d5f9e1add
Aug 30 20:27:06 <AMomchilov> Napalm: thanks! give me a few minutes and i'll try it out
Aug 30 20:34:53 <Topkek007> hmm, there are people that use ip6?
Aug 30 20:35:31 <Napalm> Topkek007: everyone
Aug 30 20:35:31 <Napalm> lol
Aug 30 20:36:31 <g00s> hey Napalm
Aug 30 20:36:35 <Napalm> hey
Aug 30 20:36:51 <Napalm> g00s: see last gist link.. helpful function
Aug 30 20:37:17 * g00s waiting for Napalm book
Aug 30 20:37:23 <Napalm> :)
Aug 30 20:38:36 <g00s> interesting artlce about tablet growth (mainly just IDC cutting forecast) http://www.zdnet.com/tablet-shipments-forecast-slashed-by-half-as-western-markets-slow-7000033127/
Aug 30 20:38:37 <lewellyn> Topkek007: 100% of comcast's residential customers are ipv6 enabled. so adoption may be higher than you think. it took so long, though, that people don't even know when they're using it. :)
Aug 30 20:40:14 <Topkek007> I always disable everything except ipv4 in windows :D
Aug 30 20:42:38 <AMomchilov> Napalm: works great!
Aug 30 20:42:40 <Topkek007> it will take at least 10 years for my country to change it. :|D
Aug 30 20:43:24 <AMomchilov> Napalm: now, anyway to remove image translucensy? (The image view is 100% opactiy, but the source image has alpha, how can I remove it?)
Aug 30 20:43:53 <Napalm> AMomchilov: what?
Aug 30 20:44:16 <AMomchilov> I have an image that's not entirely opaque, but I would like it to be
Aug 30 20:44:27 <Napalm> AMomchilov: so set it in the matrix
Aug 30 20:44:29 <AMomchilov> How can I set it to be opaque, programatically?
Aug 30 20:44:37 <AMomchilov> how? :o
Aug 30 20:44:41 <AMomchilov> the doc is kinda limited on this =/
Aug 30 20:44:42 <Napalm> look with your eyes
Aug 30 20:44:47 <Napalm> its not limited
Aug 30 20:44:51 <Napalm> it fully explains it
Aug 30 20:45:13 <Napalm> The matrix is stored in a single array, and its treated as follows: [ a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t ] When applied to a color [r, g, b, a], the resulting color is computed as (after clamping) R' = a*R + b*G + c*B + d*A + e; G' = f*R + g*G + h*B + i*A + j; B' = k*R + l*G + m*B + n*A + o; A' = p*R + q*G + r*B + s*A + t;
Aug 30 20:45:21 <Napalm> see.. fully explained
Aug 30 20:45:30 <AMomchilov> well that sure clears things up.
Aug 30 20:45:34 <Napalm> it does
Aug 30 20:45:35 <Napalm> read it
Aug 30 20:45:36 <AMomchilov> lol /s
Aug 30 20:46:43 <Napalm> AMomchilov: in my example .. see the last line
Aug 30 20:46:45 <Napalm> 0, 0, 0, 1, 0,
Aug 30 20:46:58 <AMomchilov> yep
Aug 30 20:47:05 <Napalm> p, q, r, s, t in the above formulas
Aug 30 20:47:08 <Napalm> so
Aug 30 20:47:12 <Napalm> the resulting Alpha is A' = p*R + q*G + r*B + s*A + t;
Aug 30 20:47:48 <Napalm> A = 0*R + 0*G + 0+B + 1*A + 0;
Aug 30 20:47:55 <AMomchilov> = unchanged
Aug 30 20:47:56 <Napalm> meaning the source images alpha is kept
Aug 30 20:48:02 <AMomchilov> gotcha so far
Aug 30 20:48:09 <Napalm> so if you want fully opaque.. you do what?
Aug 30 20:48:23 <AMomchilov> so if i changed it to 0 0 0 0 1?
Aug 30 20:48:29 <Napalm> try it and see :P
Aug 30 20:49:27 <AMomchilov> well
Aug 30 20:49:29 <AMomchilov> interesting
Aug 30 20:49:29 <AMomchilov> xD
Aug 30 20:49:42 <AMomchilov> what's the max value? 255?
Aug 30 20:49:56 <Napalm> its floats
Aug 30 20:50:02 <AMomchilov> [0, 1]?
Aug 30 20:50:14 <Napalm> yes for p q r s
Aug 30 20:50:27 <Napalm> and t is 0.0f - 255.0f
Aug 30 20:50:51 <Napalm> do you want to replace the original alpha channel with a color?
Aug 30 20:51:09 <Napalm> thats a different request
Aug 30 20:51:13 <AMomchilov> no, so i should be changing t
Aug 30 20:51:19 <AMomchilov> i want all places with color, to be opaque
Aug 30 20:51:25 <AMomchilov> all else to remain transparent
Aug 30 20:51:39 <AMomchilov> so i shouldn't**** be changing t
Aug 30 20:51:43 <Napalm> AMomchilov: the original already does that?
Aug 30 20:52:25 <AMomchilov> I don't think so
Aug 30 20:52:35 <AMomchilov> the color is a tad off
Aug 30 20:53:07 <Napalm> upload your screenshots or images so I can see what you mean
Aug 30 20:53:59 <AMomchilov> http://cl.ly/image/1j2f1P292g1J
Aug 30 20:54:18 <Napalm> right? and...
Aug 30 20:54:23 <AMomchilov> the first one is darker
Aug 30 20:54:30 <AMomchilov> because all of its source image pixels are opaque
Aug 30 20:54:41 <Napalm> well no
Aug 30 20:54:41 <AMomchilov> where as the other 3 are more faded, tinted by the grey background
Aug 30 20:54:51 <Napalm> thats because the per-pixel alpha values are off
Aug 30 20:55:16 <Napalm> if you change the alphas to fully opaque then you are going to get harsh edges
Aug 30 20:55:34 <AMomchilov> ok, well then not *fully* opaque
Aug 30 20:55:37 <AMomchilov> but like
Aug 30 20:55:47 <AMomchilov> more opaque
Aug 30 20:55:50 <Napalm> lol
Aug 30 20:56:01 <Napalm> but then the edges become more opque
Aug 30 20:56:02 <Napalm> opque
Aug 30 20:56:05 <Napalm> opaque
Aug 30 20:56:09 <AMomchilov> words.
Aug 30 20:56:10 <AMomchilov> xD
Aug 30 20:56:16 <Napalm> :|
Aug 30 20:56:34 <Napalm> so, its your source images you need to edit
Aug 30 20:56:46 <Napalm> you can try it if you like
Aug 30 20:56:52 <Napalm> but you probably wont like the result
Aug 30 20:56:54 <AMomchilov> they're android's built in resources D:
Aug 30 20:57:24 <AMomchilov> I'd have to copy them all and edit them
Aug 30 20:57:36 <AMomchilov> defeats the purpose of doing any of this programatically in the first place
Aug 30 20:59:12 <Napalm> AMomchilov: make the last line: 1, 1, 1, 0, 0,
Aug 30 20:59:35 <AMomchilov> k
Aug 30 20:59:36 <AMomchilov> compiling
Aug 30 20:59:45 <AMomchilov> ART compile times >_>>
Aug 30 20:59:59 <Napalm> its nothing to do with ART
Aug 30 21:00:00 <Mavrik> O.o
Aug 30 21:00:26 <AMomchilov> ... yes it does (?)
Aug 30 21:00:38 <AMomchilov> having to AHT compile every time
Aug 30 21:03:40 <AMomchilov> used 1 1 1 0 0
Aug 30 21:03:41 <AMomchilov> http://cl.ly/image/0T2E2f241A3b
Aug 30 21:04:10 <Mavrik> what are you talking about
Aug 30 21:04:21 <Mavrik> both Dalvik and ART have to compile your code before executing it
Aug 30 21:04:24 <Mavrik> geeye.
Aug 30 21:04:32 <AMomchilov> Dalvik only compiles to bytecode
Aug 30 21:04:49 <AMomchilov> and that's done on a (fast) desktop processo
Aug 30 21:04:50 <AMomchilov> r
Aug 30 21:05:38 <Mavrik> No.
Aug 30 21:05:46 <AMomchilov> whereas ART requires further (AOT) comilation to native, on a piss poor mobile processor
Aug 30 21:05:50 <Mavrik> That's... so utterly totaly wrong.
Aug 30 21:05:55 <AMomchilov> how?
Aug 30 21:06:36 <AMomchilov> oops i said AHT earlier when I meant AOT
Aug 30 21:07:22 <Mavrik> ART and Dalvik are runtimes for bytecode, neither of them compiles ANYTHING to bytcode
Aug 30 21:07:32 <Mavrik> that's done by javac and dex on your development machine
Aug 30 21:07:40 <Mavrik> they both have EXACTLY the same bytecode format
Aug 30 21:08:01 <Mavrik> the difference is only that ART code is compiled at install time and Dalvik code is JIT-ed - compiled when running the app
Aug 30 21:08:28 <AMomchilov> how is that at all different from what I said?
Aug 30 21:09:48 <Napalm> Mavrik: incorrect
Aug 30 21:10:07 <Napalm> oopsy
Aug 30 21:10:13 <Napalm> i spoke before I carried on
Aug 30 21:10:14 <Napalm> ;)
Aug 30 21:10:43 <Napalm> anyway, AMomchilov: did that do what you want?
Aug 30 21:10:45 <Mavrik> AMomchilov, ugh
Aug 30 21:10:59 <Mavrik> AMomchilov, you're talking about "Dalvik compiling to bytecode" (wrong)
Aug 30 21:11:11 <AMomchilov> Dalvik: java -> bytecode done by dev computer, bytecode -> native done JIT
Aug 30 21:11:13 <Mavrik> "ART requires further compilation" (wrong, they both have the same steps)
Aug 30 21:11:16 <JesusFreke> AMomchilov: the difference is that art compiles the code on the phone exactly once
Aug 30 21:11:24 <JesusFreke> with dalvik, it compiled the code every time you ran it
Aug 30 21:11:26 <AMomchilov> ART: java -> bytecode done by dev computer, bytecode -> native done AOT (which takes time)
Aug 30 21:11:29 <Mavrik> "ART requires more time" (wrong, they both take the same time, the compilation just happens at different points)
Aug 30 21:11:43 <JesusFreke> Mavrik: well, art compilation does take longer
Aug 30 21:11:50 <AMomchilov> ^
Aug 30 21:11:51 <JesusFreke> but it's only done once :)
Aug 30 21:11:53 <Mavrik> JesusFreke, yes, details :P
Aug 30 21:12:00 <AMomchilov> it compiles EVERYTHING even the stuff you're not going to be using
Aug 30 21:12:01 <Mavrik> Dalvik's JIT is faster, that's true
Aug 30 21:12:04 <Mavrik> also, not everything is JITed :D
Aug 30 21:12:17 <AMomchilov> so test a tiny portion of the app, EVERYTHING has to be compiled
Aug 30 21:12:21 <AMomchilov> and that DOES require more time
Aug 30 21:13:12 <AMomchilov> Napalm: Here's how it looks with 1 1 1 0 0: http://cl.ly/image/0T2E2f241A3b
Aug 30 21:13:21 <AMomchilov> cyan magically appeared from nowhere D:
Aug 30 21:15:10 <AMomchilov> Mavrik: wouldn't it be nice if the AOT compilationg for ART was done on the dev machine (just for the purpose of developement, not for general distribution)
Aug 30 21:15:29 <Mavrik> probably
Aug 30 21:15:43 <Mavrik> but I doubt that's the priority of dev time considering all the broken stuff in Android
Aug 30 21:15:53 <AMomchilov> it adds up quick
Aug 30 21:15:55 <Mavrik> I just use desktop x86 emulator which is significantly faster than testing on device
Aug 30 21:15:57 <AMomchilov> saving 20ish seconds per run
Aug 30 21:16:11 <AMomchilov> yeah, same, but not on this laptop
Aug 30 21:16:17 <AMomchilov> only 4GB RAM D:
Aug 30 21:21:01 <smitzer> How do I put the ddms window as part of Android Studio again?
Aug 30 21:33:13 <AMomchilov> Napalm: still there?
Aug 30 21:33:26 <Napalm> yes, one moment
Aug 30 21:33:54 <AMomchilov> Napalm: thanks
Aug 30 21:34:18 <AMomchilov> I think 1 1 1 0 0 is causing the alpha values to go too high, and gives rise to some mystical cyan from the depth of color management hell
Aug 30 21:35:30 <SuD> that's what octarin color could look like
Aug 30 21:36:12 <AMomchilov> just cyan?
Aug 30 21:36:15 <AMomchilov> how disappointing D:
Aug 30 21:39:45 <Bitwise> Hello. Is there a way to see when someone opens a text message? I know that text messages are just emails so I tried changing the content-type header to text/html and inserted an img tag with a link as the src. This didn't work for my phone as the img was replaced with "(Body)" and the link wasn't hit.
Aug 30 21:40:47 <Mavrik> doh
Aug 30 21:41:05 <Mavrik> you can't add random HTML to SMSes and expect it to be executed :)
Aug 30 21:41:27 <AMomchilov> Mavrik: could you imagine
Aug 30 21:41:45 <SuD> text messages are just emails? I thought that only was true in asia
Aug 30 21:41:57 <AMomchilov> code injection... code injection EVERYWHERE!
Aug 30 21:42:09 <Bitwise> Mavrik, I thought an image would be harmless enough :P
Aug 30 21:42:12 <Demon_Jester> SuD format isu sually phonenumber@carrieremail
Aug 30 21:42:35 <Mavrik> Bitwise, yeah, spying on people without their consent isn't all that harmless :)
Aug 30 21:42:39 <Mavrik> anyway, SMS content is plain text
Aug 30 21:42:47 <Mavrik> so I doubt there's a way
Aug 30 21:43:30 <Demon_Jester> Hey guys if I want to add imageview to my UI do I need to add layout first? The only way I was able to add imageview was if I added a framelayout is it necessary or did I happen to mess something up
Aug 30 21:44:13 <SuD> sms used to have a kind of acknowledgment receipt, but last time i could use it was more than 10 years ago
Aug 30 21:44:35 <Bitwise> Good point Mavrik. I just wasted 10 minutes of my life, haha.
Aug 30 21:44:53 <AMomchilov> Demon_Jester: just because a carrier might have an sms to e-mail (or vice versa) gateway, doesn't mean that SMSes are implemented as E-mails... and they're not
Aug 30 21:45:13 <Mavrik> Bitwise, remember, we're talking about standard that's limited to 152bytes of payload made before portable color LCD screens :P
Aug 30 21:45:45 <Demon_Jester> AMomchilov: No, I just meant if you wanted to send one you can use email method, not to log sms.
Aug 30 21:46:32 <AMomchilov> oh, yeah
Aug 30 21:46:37 <Bitwise> Hahaha Mavrik. That's one way to put it!
Aug 30 21:47:25 <Mavrik> Bitwise, but sadly, I think not even Android itself tracks if an SMS was sent
Aug 30 21:47:27 <Mavrik> er.
Aug 30 21:47:28 <Mavrik> read.
Aug 30 21:48:03 <AMomchilov> sms read recpiets would be the (social) death of me lol
Aug 30 21:48:30 <SuD> well, do you use whatsapp?
Aug 30 21:48:36 <AMomchilov> nope
Aug 30 22:04:16 <chromium> I have a class that extends ListPreference. How can I change the background color of the list preference?
Aug 30 22:05:45 <Napalm> chromium: you mean the popup background?
Aug 30 22:05:58 <Napalm> chromium: or the background of the preference item itself?
Aug 30 22:06:33 <Napalm> i meant dialog background
Aug 30 22:07:46 <chromium> dialog background
Aug 30 22:08:38 <Napalm> chromium: is this only on this preference or on the entire's dialogs'
Aug 30 22:09:24 <SilentByte> To animate/slide an object off screen, is it best to use a huge delta value (to ensure that it leaves the viewable area of the screen), or is there a better way?
Aug 30 22:10:06 <chromium> The entire dialog. This is what it looks like right now: http://i.imgur.com/iYbQWJk.png I want to change the white to something else.
Aug 30 22:10:13 <Napalm> SilentByte: what minimum API level are you working with?
Aug 30 22:10:46 <Napalm> chromium: ooo. nice L style.
Aug 30 22:10:51 <chromium> Thanks
Aug 30 22:11:02 <Napalm> chromium: yea, well.. again.. do you want this change to be on all Dialog's or just this one
Aug 30 22:11:17 <SilentByte> Napalm: It's currently at 9 but I'm willing to bump it up
Aug 30 22:11:50 <Napalm> SilentByte: new TranslateAnimation(Animation.RELATIVE_TO_PARENT,  1.0f, Animation.RELATIVE_TO_PARENT,  0.0f, 0, 0, 0, 0);
Aug 30 22:12:07 <Napalm> SilentByte: example of sliding from off screen right to normal position
Aug 30 22:12:16 <Napalm> you can change the parameters for others
Aug 30 22:12:25 <chromium> Just this one
Aug 30 22:15:14 <chromium> Im doing this: pastebin.com/TVe4DTRy
Aug 30 22:15:14 <chromium> But the backgrounds not changing
Aug 30 22:16:54 <SilentByte> Napalm: Works perfect, thanks!
Aug 30 22:17:52 <Napalm> chromium: https://gist.github.com/slightfoot/dc170b9e58efa850d97f
Aug 30 22:18:45 <Napalm> chromium: now you can add a android:theme attribute in your preference xml.. and change any of the values
Aug 30 22:19:28 <Napalm> android:windowBackground i think
Aug 30 22:19:35 <Napalm> is what you want to set in your custom theme
Aug 30 22:19:46 <Napalm> your theme should extend your app's one
Aug 30 22:21:31 <Napalm> chromium: still there?
Aug 30 22:21:37 <chromium> yes
Aug 30 22:21:56 <chromium> So I put android:theme on the preference?
Aug 30 22:22:01 <Napalm> yes
Aug 30 22:22:16 <chromium> ok im trying now
Aug 30 22:24:03 <chromium> what do I point android:theme to?
Aug 30 22:24:56 <Napalm> chromium: a theme
Aug 30 22:24:57 <Napalm> lol
Aug 30 22:25:01 <Napalm> as i said
Aug 30 22:25:17 <chromium> lol ok
Aug 30 22:28:37 <chromium> its not working
Aug 30 22:30:15 <Napalm> works for me
Aug 30 22:30:39 <chromium> Is this right? http://pastebin.com/FdAa1ers
Aug 30 22:38:04 <chromium> ?
Aug 30 22:38:23 <chromium> Napalm, Is this right? http://pastebin.com/FdAa1ers
Aug 30 22:38:28 <Napalm> wait
Aug 30 22:38:45 <chromium> ok
Aug 30 22:38:52 <AMomchilov> Napalm: I'm back, did you say anything?
Aug 30 22:42:40 <AMomchilov> Does anyone else think they can help with a ColorMatrix problem?
Aug 30 22:44:52 <StingRay_> problem ?
Aug 30 22:45:18 <AMomchilov> I have a source image (ic_menu_camera) that has an alpha background
Aug 30 22:45:24 <AMomchilov> that's great, i want the background to be alpha
Aug 30 22:45:33 <AMomchilov> however, the colored pixels of the icon itself, also contain some alpha
Aug 30 22:45:42 <AMomchilov> I would like all coloured pixels to be fully opaque
Aug 30 22:46:21 <AMomchilov> (well, close to fully opaque, to avoid hard edges)
Aug 30 22:47:04 <AMomchilov> make sense?
Aug 30 22:47:47 <StingRay_> well I have the capability to do that in my theme engine
Aug 30 22:47:55 <StingRay_> get drawableThroughFilter
Aug 30 22:47:56 <AMomchilov> how do you do it?
Aug 30 22:48:05 <StingRay_> but not done matrix filters yet
Aug 30 22:48:10 <StingRay_> just do standard ones
Aug 30 22:48:16 <StingRay_> to change color
Aug 30 22:48:23 <AMomchilov> hmm?
Aug 30 22:48:27 <StingRay_> matrix is for selective tone mapping
Aug 30 22:48:33 <StingRay_> not something I need right now
Aug 30 22:48:34 <AMomchilov> I'm doing that too
Aug 30 22:48:56 <AMomchilov> that's the first part of this endevor: tint the stock images with a desired color
Aug 30 22:49:22 <AMomchilov> but the color is off because there is some opacity, and the underlying holo light background is fading the colour
Aug 30 22:49:44 <StingRay_> oh thats nothing to do with anything other than the characteristics of the image
Aug 30 22:49:54 <StingRay_> no filter/methods will fix that :)
Aug 30 22:50:11 <AMomchilov> ...really?
Aug 30 22:50:18 <StingRay_> best thing to do is not have alpha, and in the filters set alpha if needed
Aug 30 22:50:26 <AMomchilov> the images aren't my own
Aug 30 22:50:33 <StingRay_> well have alpha… just not on the main parts of the icon
Aug 30 22:50:34 <AMomchilov> their stock android res
Aug 30 22:50:43 <StingRay_> oh, yeah… ugh
Aug 30 22:50:46 <StingRay_> they suz
Aug 30 22:50:49 <StingRay_> sux :)
Aug 30 22:50:55 <StingRay_> brb coffee
Aug 30 22:54:00 <Napalm> chromium: check the other files in my gist: https://gist.github.com/slightfoot/dc170b9e58efa850d97f
Aug 30 22:56:14 <AMomchilov> Napalm: I was away, did you say anything to me recently? (past hour)
Aug 30 22:57:09 <StingRay_> AMomchilov no he did not, looking at the chat
Aug 30 22:57:19 <AMomchilov> ty
Aug 30 22:58:34 <Napalm> AMomchilov: no, food now.. talk in a bit
Aug 30 22:58:44 <AMomchilov> ok, ty
Aug 30 22:58:48 <AMomchilov> enjoy your meal :)
Aug 30 23:24:50 <LtRipley> hi
Aug 30 23:25:23 <newt> hello
Aug 30 23:25:47 <newt> they mostly come out at night….mostly :(
Aug 30 23:26:55 <mikeche1en> anyone having a problem with market:// links in play store?
Aug 30 23:27:54 <StingRay_> nope
Aug 30 23:40:14 <mikeche1en> can you try opening this in play store app and click link? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync.pro
Aug 30 23:41:35 <mikeche1en> the link in app description causes my play store to FC every time
Aug 30 23:48:10 <AMomchilov> how can I set a source in Java, equivalent to this in XML: android:src="@android:drawable/ic_menu_slideshow"
Aug 30 23:49:49 <AMomchilov> nvm got it
Aug 30 23:53:36 <mikeche1en> StingRay_: any chance you could try that?
Aug 30 23:54:10 <eghdk> Can anyone help me with importing a library? Every time I've imported them, they've been jar files or project files. I can't get this one to work with either. It says I can use maven. But I don't use maven. Can't I download the zip and use it somehow? https://github.com/japgolly/svg-android
Aug 31 00:11:40 <StingRay_> eghdk google "library with (insert your ide here) android"
Aug 31 00:12:59 <eghdk> StingRay_: I know how to import libraries. What I'm saying is this one specifically isn't working for me for some reason.
Aug 31 00:13:08 <StingRay_> oh whats the issue ?
Aug 31 00:13:41 <StingRay_> if you know how… not sure what you are asking
Aug 31 00:14:02 <eghdk> Usually I just take the zip, and extract it, and import it into eclipse.
Aug 31 00:14:13 <StingRay_> as a library project right ?
Aug 31 00:14:22 <eghdk> Works every time, for some reason this one can't/won't import into eclipse.
Aug 31 00:14:42 <eghdk> So I have the zip file now, and I'm not sure how I can get it to work in my project.
Aug 31 00:15:03 <StingRay_> well not as a zip
Aug 31 00:15:05 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 31 00:15:29 <StingRay_> thought you said you know how to import library projects ?
Aug 31 00:15:41 * StingRay_ is confused
Aug 31 00:16:03 <eghdk> I'm saying zip as that's what I downloaded... but as I said before. I extract it and import into eclipse.
Aug 31 00:16:29 <eghdk> I've used hundreds of libraries at this point. And I'm just not sure how to get this one to work without maven (as I don't use it)
Aug 31 00:16:54 <StingRay_> whats the error when you import ?
Aug 31 00:19:32 <eghdk> I don't get an error. It simply doesn't let me import. In eclipse after you select the project folder to import it shows up and you just hit "next". "next" is grayed out. As if it was an invalid project or something.
Aug 31 00:19:49 <StingRay_> and what folder are you importing ?
Aug 31 00:21:09 <finishingmove> I'm having a problem with my ListFragment and orientation change. After I rotate the screen, the listview goes blank... I've tried setRetainInstance(true) but that didn't really work out
Aug 31 00:23:09 <finishingmove> because if I use setRetainInstance(true), the list, although retaining previous state, seems to be locked afterwards (I need it to update dynamically)
Aug 31 00:24:36 <StingRay_> not sure setRetainInstance is supposed to be for context bound elements…like views… but never used it so..dunno
Aug 31 00:24:51 <StingRay_> finishingmove what you are talking about is just standard lifecycle stuff
Aug 31 00:25:03 <StingRay_> worth learning…then learning again :)
Aug 31 00:25:58 <finishingmove> yeah so I have the adapters and views initialized in my activity's onCreate, and an API request is made in onStart
Aug 31 00:26:11 <finishingmove> it works in another activity with a listview that is not a part of a fragment
Aug 31 00:26:24 <finishingmove> but in the fragment-contained list it doesn't
Aug 31 00:26:53 <StingRay_> finishingmove have you read about the android lifecycle ?
Aug 31 00:27:10 <StingRay_> and do you know how to debug ?
Aug 31 00:27:18 <finishingmove> possible outcomes are: without setRetainInstance(true) it just goes blank after rotating, with setRetainInstance(true) it restores the previous state but "locks" the list to those items
Aug 31 00:27:23 <finishingmove> yes to both
Aug 31 00:27:41 <StingRay_> so what is causing the list to be blank ?
Aug 31 00:28:14 <finishingmove> that's what I don't know
Aug 31 00:28:27 <finishingmove> it looks like the fragment could be losing the reference to the list
Aug 31 00:28:32 <finishingmove> which itself is in the activity
Aug 31 00:28:41 <finishingmove> by list i mean the dataset
Aug 31 00:28:54 <StingRay_> well you can "debug" and get an answer
Aug 31 00:29:06 <StingRay_> rather than speculation :)
Aug 31 00:31:41 <finishingmove> well
Aug 31 00:32:00 <finishingmove> there's 13 lifecycle methods to debug in a listfragment
Aug 31 00:32:14 <finishingmove> I thought someone might have a clue, if what is happening here is a common problem
Aug 31 00:33:11 <StingRay_> well sure, but since it's so easy to check "if the view exists" or "if the data exists" probably better to do that 1st
Aug 31 00:33:52 <StingRay_> odds are you are just not creating the list or getting the data
Aug 31 00:34:20 <StingRay_> but better for you to figure that out and get into the habit of looking … helps sooo much :)
Aug 31 00:40:54 <Napalm> chromium: still about?
Aug 31 00:40:58 <Napalm> AMomchilov: whats uyp
Aug 31 00:40:59 <Napalm> up
Aug 31 00:41:13 <AMomchilov> Napalm: not much, i've been working on other things while you were gone
Aug 31 00:41:51 <jimbo1qaz> My computer sometimes blue-screens when sleeping, when my old Galaxy Tab is connected (because of ADB).
Aug 31 00:45:43 <finishingmove> ok, so... initially it goes like this (A = Activity, F = Fragment in example): A#onCreate -> A#onStart -> A#onResume -> F#onAttach -> F#onCreate, but after rotating screen it goes like: A#onPause -> A#onStop -> A#onDestroy -> F#onAttach -> F#onCreate -> A#onStart -> A#onResume
Aug 31 00:47:09 <AKK9> I have an activity with a listview and a custom adapter for the listview. and I need my list of object to be available in the activity and also in the custom adapter
Aug 31 00:47:31 <AKK9> how can I set up the List once so they can both access it
Aug 31 00:47:32 <AKK9> ?
Aug 31 00:48:16 <StingRay_> setAdapter() ?
Aug 31 00:49:04 <AKK9> I've done that for the listview but it seems wasteful to have private List<Item> itemList;
Aug 31 00:49:13 <AKK9> in the activity AND the adapter class
Aug 31 00:49:28 <AKK9> should I just have that once somwhere?
Aug 31 00:55:33 <Zharf> AKK9, adapter.getItem(i) not good enough?
Aug 31 00:55:53 <Zharf> AKK9, also it's only a reference to the list, it's the same list of objects
Aug 31 00:55:54 <jimbo1qaz> Again, does anyone else have ADB-related crashes on sleep (0x0000007e)?
Aug 31 00:56:47 <g00s> adb is pretty flaky, but it only just crashes itself. i've never seen it bsod a machine
Aug 31 00:57:34 <g00s> and yeah, on my mac after sleep adb will be messed up; need to kill-server it
Aug 31 00:58:06 <AKK9> Zharf, yeah thanks you ill do that it was a bad question
Aug 31 00:58:10 <AKK9> i shold sleep
Aug 31 00:58:14 <Zharf> me too
Aug 31 00:58:16 <jimbo1qaz> I reinstall a bunch of drivers to fix, still bsod. I was on vacation without my dev tablet, it didn't crash. I get back, still OK. Start using the dev tab again, it crashes.
Aug 31 00:58:17 <Zharf> it's 4 am
Aug 31 00:58:29 <jimbo1qaz> I think it's something to do with the adb drivers, not the client.
Aug 31 00:59:25 <Zharf> consider regular software cant cause a bsod without a malfunctioning driver in between, yeah..
Aug 31 01:00:21 <Zharf> but I've never had such problems
Aug 31 01:00:41 <Zharf> last time I had to kill-server adb was in 2012 I think
Aug 31 01:03:38 <g00s> i'm having to kill-server all the time
Aug 31 01:03:57 <g00s> when i look in my Logs/Crashes its filled with adb crap
Aug 31 01:09:11 <finishingmove> so, after quite some debugging, I still have no idea why my list inside a fragment is getting lost when rotating the screen
Aug 31 01:10:43 <StingRay_> so you dont know if it's the data that is missing, or the view ? or both ?
Aug 31 01:12:16 <finishingmove> I make an API request, and the data gets added to the list
Aug 31 01:12:43 <finishingmove> the request is triggered in the activity's onStart and completes successfully asynchronously
Aug 31 01:13:00 <finishingmove> then I do adapter.notifyDataSetChanged() but it doesn't update the view
Aug 31 01:13:27 <StingRay_> is it the "same" data that the adapter has ?
Aug 31 01:13:33 <finishingmove> is it possible that I am talking to an "old" adapter object, remaining from the previous state of the view?
Aug 31 01:13:37 <StingRay_> or is it a new instance
Aug 31 01:14:23 <finishingmove> the data is actually the same, but it is supposed to get reloaded
Aug 31 01:14:33 <finishingmove> but I create new adapter and fragment each time
Aug 31 01:15:08 <finishingmove> so in the activity's onCreate, I do the following:
Aug 31 01:15:08 <StingRay_> how many items in the adapter ?
Aug 31 01:15:28 <StingRay_> as in when you assume nothing… do you actually check ?  like getCount() ?
Aug 31 01:16:36 <finishingmove> where should I check that?
Aug 31 01:17:48 <finishingmove> after doing notifyDataSetChanged?
Aug 31 01:18:20 <StingRay_> if you want
Aug 31 01:18:35 <StingRay_> anytime you think data is in there… getCout() returns number of items in the adapter
Aug 31 01:19:54 <smitzer> Is the share symbol available somewhere? Like on most Android apps there is 3 connected dots for sharing (by email, messaging etc). I guess that is the stamdard for havoing a share this app button?
Aug 31 01:20:45 <finishingmove> getCount() confirms they are in the adapter
Aug 31 01:21:38 <StingRay_> listView.getAdapter().getCount90 ?
Aug 31 01:22:38 <finishingmove> where would I run that?
Aug 31 01:23:27 <finishingmove> in onCreateView in the fragment, the count might be 0 because the data is retrieved asynchronously
Aug 31 01:23:42 <StingRay_> well after..when you think data is there
Aug 31 01:23:45 <StingRay_> obviously
Aug 31 01:28:22 <AMomchilov> "this app won't run unless you update Google Play services."
Aug 31 01:28:32 <AMomchilov> everything is up to date D: both in my skd manager, and on my android device
Aug 31 01:29:28 <logan0405> hey is there some sort of signal that gets sent when app is installed/uninstalled?
Aug 31 01:29:45 <logan0405> i created a launcher trying to make it so it auto restarts when apps list changes
Aug 31 01:30:23 <StingRay_> AMomchilov dont forget there is "too up-to-date"
Aug 31 01:30:34 <AMomchilov> ?
Aug 31 01:30:39 <StingRay_> AMomchilov as in version you are building with is way above whats on the device
Aug 31 01:30:54 <AMomchilov> i'll check
Aug 31 01:31:31 <AMomchilov>     compile 'com.android.support:support-v13:20.0.0'
Aug 31 01:31:32 <AMomchilov>     compile 'com.google.android.gms:play-services:+'
Aug 31 01:31:56 <AMomchilov> could it be from the + i put it in place of the google play services version number?
Aug 31 01:32:28 <StingRay_> no
Aug 31 01:32:35 <StingRay_> it's from the version missmatch
Aug 31 01:32:40 <StingRay_> like I said
Aug 31 01:32:51 <StingRay_> the + says get the latest from the local m2 repo
Aug 31 01:33:13 <StingRay_> your local repo version > google play release version
Aug 31 01:33:36 <AMomchilov> i figured so much =/
Aug 31 01:33:40 <AMomchilov> how do I revert it?
Aug 31 01:33:45 <AMomchilov> I don't remember the version number I was using before
Aug 31 01:33:47 <StingRay_> use a "version"
Aug 31 01:33:50 <StingRay_> :)
Aug 31 01:33:50 <AMomchilov> and idk where it's stored.
Aug 31 01:34:18 <AMomchilov> idk what the versions are
Aug 31 01:34:25 <AMomchilov> the SDK manager just says "19"
Aug 31 01:34:33 <AMomchilov> when i remember it being 5.x.x
Aug 31 01:35:53 <finishingmove> ok, so I get a NullPointerException, on fragmentListView.getAdapter().getCount()
Aug 31 01:36:04 <StingRay_> AMomchilov google can help you there
Aug 31 01:36:05 <finishingmove> which means the adapter is not getting attached
Aug 31 01:36:20 <ruler501> For ndk development what is a good library for http requests? I just need some get/post requests and their replies nothing fancy, would prefer not to have to go through the hell that is building curl
Aug 31 01:41:52 <g00s> ruler501 maybe you could use 0mq
Aug 31 01:42:01 <g00s> but thats its own protocol
Aug 31 01:43:11 <ruler501> g00s communicating with an already written server so I do need http, if it does http could you give me a link to it?
Aug 31 01:43:31 <g00s> ah, sorry. nah doesn't do http
Aug 31 01:43:46 <ruler501> know anything good that does other than curl?
Aug 31 01:44:21 <g00s> http://cpp-netlib.org/
Aug 31 01:44:42 <finishingmove> jumped the gun actually, the adapter is all fine
Aug 31 01:45:04 <ruler501> g00s is there an android.mk file for that or how do I build it?
Aug 31 01:45:20 <g00s> oh ha, welcome to NDK
Aug 31 01:49:50 * ruler501 is confused 
Aug 31 01:50:57 <Rad-> Hi. I have a question. My eclipse is different from..... the android tutorial
Aug 31 01:51:15 <Rad-> I don't have a fragment_main.xml in /res/layout
Aug 31 01:51:23 <Rad-> only activity_main.xml
Aug 31 01:51:30 <Rad-> any idea why this is ._.
Aug 31 01:54:22 <AMomchilov> Rad-: you're probably working ith a fragment based app, whereas the tutorial is working with the (older style) activity based layout
Aug 31 01:54:44 <AMomchilov> Can someone help with this error? I've tried a lot of solutions off google, but none of them have worked so far https://gist.github.com/amomchilov/34a5b9081ecda06ebf5e
Aug 31 01:55:20 <Rad-> so the tutorial has a fragment_main.xml and is NOT fragment based? i'm confused
Aug 31 01:55:37 <AMomchilov> oops, i flipped the 2 arround
Aug 31 01:55:41 <AMomchilov> you're workign with activities
Aug 31 01:55:48 <AMomchilov> they're working with fragments (within an activity)
Aug 31 01:57:07 <smitzer> Is the share symbol available somewhere? Like on most Android apps there is 3 connected dots for sharing (by email, messaging etc). I guess that is the stamdard for havoing a share this app button?
Aug 31 01:57:12 <Rad-> but i followed their instructions ._.
Aug 31 01:57:18 <Rad-> is there another tutorial that's more up to date?
Aug 31 02:00:12 <AMomchilov> smitzer: do you need it in Java code or XML layout?
Aug 31 02:00:59 <AMomchilov> Drawable icon = getActivity().getResources().getDrawable(android.R.drawable.ic_menu_share);
Aug 31 02:01:39 <AMomchilov> You can browse the built in drawables in {your SDK folder}//platforms/android-XX/data/res/drawable-X/
Aug 31 02:01:51 <ruler501> Anyone know how to build cpp-netlib for use with the ndk?
Aug 31 02:05:21 <Rad-> i'm confused >.>
Aug 31 02:08:31 <StingRay_> Rad- thats not all that un-common when starting
Aug 31 02:08:36 <StingRay_> just lookup what you dont know
Aug 31 02:08:44 <StingRay_> and repeat till you do :)
Aug 31 02:08:48 <Rad-> StingRay_: but i'm looking at the tutorial
Aug 31 02:08:52 <Rad-> and i'm looking at eclipse
Aug 31 02:08:54 <Rad-> and they don't match
Aug 31 02:09:09 <Rad-> i feel like i can't even follow a tutorial correctly -_____________________-
Aug 31 02:09:22 <StingRay_> it is nothing to do with eclipse
Aug 31 02:09:40 <StingRay_> eclipse is showing you your project in a view
Aug 31 02:09:55 <StingRay_> your poject and the one from the tutorial dont match
Aug 31 02:26:38 <ruler501> Anyone know how to build cpp-netlib for use with the ndk?
Aug 31 02:29:27 <Rad-> StingRay_: so how do i make them match >.>
Aug 31 02:30:08 <StingRay_> by learning what the difference is, then you can figure out why, then also how to get it done correctly :)
Aug 31 02:30:13 <Rad-> >..
Aug 31 02:30:51 <StingRay_> make sense?
Aug 31 02:56:12 <ron_frown> anyone fucking around with augmented reality in android
Aug 31 02:56:21 <ron_frown> with meta.io or any of those other frameworks?
Aug 31 02:57:27 <g00s> lol ron_frown
Aug 31 02:58:52 <leiux> i've always wondered if augmented reality really made sense for mobile use
Aug 31 02:59:19 <StingRay_> ron_frown you have a framework issue or a conceptual one ?
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