**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 03:00:00 2014 Sep 20 03:12:09 Hi Sep 20 03:12:20 I'm trying to add back button to action bar Sep 20 03:12:28 i followed tutorial Sep 20 03:12:58 how do i add the button left to the icon Sep 20 03:13:03 and not to the right? Sep 20 03:17:01 bha pretty sure google search will tell you that Sep 20 03:17:10 it's not a special uncommon thing to what ;) Sep 20 03:18:17 found,, Sep 20 03:18:22 ty Sep 20 03:18:56 what you think about sharedpreferences for login session? Sep 20 03:19:51 bha what you do mean think ? Sep 20 03:20:01 and whats a "session" Sep 20 03:20:32 again these are not uncommon things to want Sep 20 03:20:45 best to learn and make your own mind up based on your own design Sep 20 03:24:12 when user login Sep 20 03:24:32 i want to save his info until he does logout Sep 20 03:24:56 so i also saved when he close the app Sep 20 03:25:24 so basically you are asking "how to save data" ? Sep 20 03:25:43 http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html Sep 20 03:25:54 I wouldnt use shared preferences Sep 20 03:25:58 decide whats best for the type, characteristics and amount of data Sep 20 03:26:08 unless you want it to persist over multiple seesions of your app Sep 20 03:27:06 if you want to save password.. ok, but if its a security concern to you, an attacker can get the sharedPrefs on a rooted phone Sep 20 03:27:19 then you have a dumbass client who is also pissed off Sep 20 03:27:49 Trick Sep 20 03:28:07 que? Sep 20 03:28:08 I'm using POST and JSON parsing from mysql db Sep 20 03:28:13 is it safe? Sep 20 03:28:41 that's a weird question Sep 20 03:28:44 and how would you save user session on mobile? Sep 20 03:29:06 well, i'm new to android dev Sep 20 03:29:12 I it's ok Sep 20 03:29:39 you want to save the sql session? Sep 20 03:30:09 yes so user dont have to login each time Sep 20 03:30:45 basically on a rooted phone you can probably assume nothign is safe, you cant do anythign to help those people. If they want to use their same password for everything it's kind of their fault... Sep 20 03:31:06 that being said, sharedPrefs or a SQLite Database would work Sep 20 03:31:14 sharedPrefs would be easier Sep 20 03:31:19 ty Sep 20 03:31:43 how does fb works? Sep 20 03:32:00 i havent looked at the source Sep 20 03:32:03 on rooted phone Sep 20 03:32:09 oh Sep 20 03:32:20 i build social network Sep 20 03:32:27 its probably obfuscated anyway Sep 20 03:32:37 good luck! Sep 20 03:33:01 facebook probably ties your device id to a software key Sep 20 03:33:06 stored in a DB Sep 20 03:33:16 ;p Sep 20 03:33:19 so if you "Clear Data" you have to relog because the DB is deleted Sep 20 03:33:30 the DB that contains your login info Sep 20 03:33:51 if you check the box, it goes into the DB to be used later for login at your splash screen check Sep 20 03:34:33 kk Sep 20 03:35:39 but do check the resource StingRay_ posted. It will help you determine what you need to use where Sep 20 03:41:21 hey I need your guys' input... kind of a poll.. Sep 20 03:41:38 when you create variable names for local vars, not classes Sep 20 03:41:50 what naming convention do you use? Sep 20 03:42:15 ie: var varible_name = ... Sep 20 03:42:23 or var variableName = ... Sep 20 03:42:31 Tricknology whatever i deem fit and relevant Sep 20 03:42:45 far enough Sep 20 03:42:48 fair* Sep 20 03:43:29 or: var variablename = ... Sep 20 03:44:00 camelcase Sep 20 03:44:02 i got some weird problem Sep 20 03:44:03 omg Sep 20 03:44:23 i changed the action bar icons order Sep 20 03:44:26 lol Sep 20 03:44:45 and now they point not to the right activity Sep 20 03:44:54 it's so weird Sep 20 03:45:00 cuz i use IDs Sep 20 03:45:20 i have an app which has a back button Sep 20 03:45:28 oh no nvm Sep 20 03:45:35 LOLOL Sep 20 03:45:42 it has a forward button Sep 20 03:45:54 wat Sep 20 03:46:11 yes Sep 20 03:46:15 its a radio app Sep 20 03:46:22 bha.. when you say IDs.... Sep 20 03:46:24 forward button to quickly go to the player screen Sep 20 03:46:27 what do you mean? Sep 20 03:46:40 why not swipe right? pifon Sep 20 03:47:03 Couldnt hurt to have a button Sep 20 03:47:10 I suppose Sep 20 03:47:14 for something which is integral to the ui Sep 20 03:47:19 has anyone here done any work with the google services user activity recognition? I'm curious if it is like a fitness tracker where you can track how many steps a user has taken. Sep 20 03:47:46 Qubez, I have not but I tried to make my own once Sep 20 03:48:08 Tricknology: guessing you didn't have success? Sep 20 03:48:28 it was somewhat successful but really depended on the user Sep 20 03:48:45 hwo do you dictate what a step is? Sep 20 03:49:07 i have no idea Sep 20 03:49:08 if i jostle my leg while sitting am I going to make a step? Sep 20 03:49:20 it was kinda hard when it came to that Sep 20 03:49:37 but no idea about the services Sep 20 03:49:42 i got 2 buttons Sep 20 03:49:55 with different ids Sep 20 03:50:22 you got skype? Sep 20 03:50:33 we can share screen Sep 20 03:50:42 aah nah, man Sep 20 03:51:03 post here; pastebin.com.. imgur.com Sep 20 03:51:09 use words... Sep 20 03:52:01 I would love to help but for the benefit of the community it's better that you post here Sep 20 03:52:15 brb Sep 20 03:52:25 til: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco_Hudl Sep 20 03:53:46 pastebin.com/WsV4VTvy Sep 20 03:53:49 capella-s3 ? Sep 20 03:54:08 didnt know of the brand Sep 20 03:54:18 on the App, when I click on the microphone, the profile activity opens Sep 20 03:54:22 ah, tescos is one of the largest food stores we have here Sep 20 03:54:29 and the other way Sep 20 03:54:33 a supermarket that does everything Sep 20 03:54:39 Trick Sep 20 03:54:43 pastebin.com/WsV4VTvy Sep 20 03:54:44 yah i just read a story in Fortune Sep 20 03:54:46 on the App, when I click on the microphone, the profile activity opens Sep 20 03:54:48 and the other way Sep 20 03:55:19 behind only walmart Sep 20 03:57:02 capella-s3 when they first announced they would release a tablet, I though great, frozen veg, some sausages oh and look a tablet… but it's actually not bad Sep 20 03:57:16 heh :p Sep 20 03:58:01 "hudl... it's a thing!" Sep 20 04:01:05 StingRay_ http://scotthurff.com/posts/how-to-design-for-thumbs-in-the-era-of-huge-screens Sep 20 04:02:18 g00s yeah, is this not pointing out what I keep saying ? and the reason I dont use silly actionbar or google conventions ? Sep 20 04:02:37 cause using my phone is mostly for me a 1 handed thing… mostly Sep 20 04:03:04 but yes, liked the addition of what ios has done… it's just common sense design Sep 20 04:04:00 I still dont get why google has not done this, and also android does not cater for left handed use Sep 20 04:04:12 * StingRay_ will be baffled for a while I think Sep 20 04:07:28 g00s are you on a diff channel to me with AS ? I have not had an update ? Sep 20 04:07:36 you mentioned a huge one yesterday Sep 20 04:07:56 StingRay_ reading this, i get the impression the comfort zone depends on the type of grip required for each size device Sep 20 04:08:13 the iphone 6 and 6+ have different shape comfort zones Sep 20 04:08:14 g00s indeed but in design you have a safe op margin Sep 20 04:08:27 that you base of anatomical research data Sep 20 04:08:54 yeah, i dunno - hands vary greatly in size Sep 20 04:08:55 and focus tests, there are companies that do all sort of product use testing here Sep 20 04:09:10 g00s less so that you may think Sep 20 04:09:25 cause the mind notices difference more than it does similarity Sep 20 04:09:36 but this AS update ? what version you on ? Sep 20 04:09:43 0.8.11 or something Sep 20 04:10:03 0.8.9 hmmm Sep 20 04:10:09 thats beta / dev Sep 20 04:10:18 canary is .11 Sep 20 04:10:19 oh right, yeah I will stick with stable Sep 20 04:10:27 is anything stable :| Sep 20 04:13:32 I guess, anything worth having in bleeding edge updates / Sep 20 04:16:00 i'm still skeptical any single "thumbable" design can accomodate large populations. in hand anthropomometry you will see differences of up to 2cm between hand length between males of the same ethnicicty; men and women have different size hands; people with arthritis again - very different Sep 20 04:16:49 g00s yes, true but thats not what you target …thats a broad population base Sep 20 04:17:08 and thats not the point of a product with a specific or target use demographic Sep 20 04:17:32 but this is industrial/product design chat… not really android :) Sep 20 04:18:01 but still the average teenage japanese male will have a different hand shape than the average european male Sep 20 04:18:20 yes indeed Sep 20 04:18:35 so, for this to work very well, the UI needs to be calibrated for each person Sep 20 04:18:47 they may need to swipe with their thumb, an arc Sep 20 04:18:58 which would impact the spacing of widgets there, etc Sep 20 04:19:31 again, you dont target the design of a product to…the human population Sep 20 04:19:32 just make a thing where the user swips a couple times and generate the widgets to fit Sep 20 04:19:34 :) Sep 20 04:20:57 anyhow, i have artritis in my left hand from playing 12 string guitar, so i use 2 hands ;) Sep 20 04:22:08 (and i donated my guitar ;) Sep 20 04:22:29 * StingRay_ could not understand the local apple store having queues midnight all the way to 8am and hundreds of people Sep 20 04:22:50 ahh is that why people were lined up at the att store across from my work? Sep 20 04:23:21 there should be some natural order/controlling element that show that nature still has evolutionary control :) Sep 20 04:23:22 did they release the new phones today or something? Sep 20 04:23:46 i used to think it was stupid too; but i wonder now if its more a social exercise camping out with like minded people, going through some ordeal = cohesion Sep 20 04:24:07 maybe Sep 20 04:24:08 mob psychology Sep 20 04:24:18 people do that at REI when they have those mega sales Sep 20 04:24:32 so its not uniquely apple Sep 20 04:24:33 but REI has cool shit Sep 20 04:24:36 to get lost in a product ….what in life are you missing ? and maybe it is good to hand with other people missing the same kind of things Sep 20 04:24:41 lasserix ha ! Sep 20 04:25:00 i once bought a pressurized espresso maker for camping ;p Sep 20 04:26:11 hey, if you are ever homeless - make the camp good coffe in the morning , and everyone will be your friend and watch your crap Sep 20 04:26:49 if it comes to that just rent one of those storage spaces off the side of apartment complex Sep 20 04:27:14 but yeah that is a good tip ;p Sep 20 04:28:09 how different is android app dev to any other platforms ? I ask cause besides design of either console games or VFX software, I have no experience as a dev in anything else Sep 20 04:28:32 imho its totally different Sep 20 04:28:57 at least at the java level Sep 20 04:30:06 in what way though Sep 20 04:30:23 I have heard this from a few people, just have little idea what it actually means Sep 20 04:30:44 i don't know of any platform that has an analog of the android components and their complex lifecycles. yeah in iOS you have some lifecycle, but nothing anything like this Sep 20 04:31:52 in blackberry, writing an app is like writing any desktop app. it starts and stops. Sep 20 04:32:11 you make threads, if you want the app to hand around you mark its process as a daemon, etc Sep 20 04:32:25 *hang Sep 20 04:32:44 huh, that seems nice Sep 20 04:35:00 imho, one of the greatest parts about android - how the resource system works - didn't go far enough. imagine context including, but not limited to the various qualifiers in the res/ tree. imagine being able to arbitrarily make your own, and not only swap resourced but code itself Sep 20 04:35:17 i think if this was really fleshed out it becomes a rule engine Sep 20 04:35:47 context dependency injection :! Sep 20 04:36:22 where android suffers, imho, is that all its components and lifecycles have great complexity, and therefore more entropy. and more bugs, states, etc Sep 20 04:37:57 StingRay_ android IPC is pretty different than any other platform, with ContentProvers, intents, etc Sep 20 04:47:21 desktop apps don't really start and stop Sep 20 04:47:41 not in a multi window setup with multiple event dispatch loops Sep 20 04:51:14 hey yall.. say I want to create an open a DB whereever the /res/raw foler lies... whethere in debug or actually running in an APK Sep 20 04:51:17 how would I do that? Sep 20 04:51:39 i have the path set to /com/project/name/res/raw/db Sep 20 04:51:53 you have to copy it out of your apk Sep 20 04:51:57 before you can open it Sep 20 04:52:45 so it would be the same in an applet Sep 20 04:52:52 your res/raw directory is sitting inside a zip file Sep 20 04:52:57 (roundabout way of asking a java question in here, im worry) Sep 20 04:53:07 but it should work the same way, no? Sep 20 04:53:31 so I would have to specify a path to copy it to.. say the SD card.. Sep 20 04:53:45 or /data/data/myapp/? Sep 20 04:53:48 to your apps private space is fine Sep 20 04:53:51 yeah Sep 20 04:54:12 ok.. but the problem is this is java :X Sep 20 04:54:41 ok, restate what you would like to do - now i am confused Sep 20 04:55:02 i want to be able to write a db file wherever the jar is running, basically Sep 20 04:55:18 whether it's when i press play in eclipse or execute the jar on the server Sep 20 04:55:28 i dont want to specify a static path Sep 20 04:55:35 what's this have to do with android Sep 20 04:56:10 if i want to write a file without using emulator Sep 20 04:56:22 just pure java test case Sep 20 04:56:33 testing only the class, not the activity Sep 20 04:56:47 basic java.. Sep 20 04:58:42 I missed that lecture Sep 20 04:59:55 MyClass.class.getResource("MyClass.class").getPath()+path_to_db? Sep 20 05:04:56 pfn you going to the nyc droidcon ? Sep 20 05:06:18 no, I'm in ca Sep 20 05:15:52 Tricknology: you put it in your assests or raw, then you use a bytestream to cope it as a file into your database directory, which your app has permissions to Sep 20 05:16:43 *if you want to use OpenSqliteHelper Sep 20 05:17:29 woo looks like someone made a library https://github.com/jgilfelt/android-sqlite-asset-helper Sep 20 05:17:50 or http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9109438/how-to-use-an-existing-database-with-an-android-application Sep 20 05:20:13 Alright roomate is gone now can stack 6 moniters Sep 20 05:21:27 Is using interfaces in a web like fashion bad design pattern? I mean, should I try and consolidate the interface assignments? Sep 20 05:30:32 http://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/we-are-all-classists#3f9cfrr Sep 20 05:30:47 ab testing by the creater of tinder Sep 20 05:30:52 "ab" Sep 20 05:31:54 lasserix omg, how can i unsee that 3rd pic on the top ! Sep 20 05:32:19 Gina? which one? Sep 20 05:34:03 ah its different when i reloaded it Sep 20 05:38:18 Religion Matters: unless the subject is attractive and classy heh Sep 20 05:38:36 Ahh man first time intellij crashed out on me Sep 20 05:39:28 Just when i finally figure out how to code the simulation after a week of coders block, sheesh! Sep 20 05:43:19 *for the record it was AS not intellij ;p Sep 20 05:45:41 lasserix interesting read Sep 20 05:53:27 How do i import a gradle android library project into intellij? Sep 20 05:53:35 *into an existing intellij project Sep 20 05:53:43 lasserix oh man, you're still at that ? Sep 20 05:53:48 just use one IDE :D Sep 20 05:53:51 kind of Sep 20 05:54:06 i just tried opening my project i started in AS in intellij Sep 20 05:54:12 but it lost my other library project Sep 20 06:07:16 Is the as traceview interface limited? i dont see a bunch of the metrics from the ddms one Sep 20 06:14:54 lasserix which versions of each? i tried that last about a month ago, but AS was far enough ahead of IDEA in terms of android plugin support that a lot of stuff broke Sep 20 06:15:09 i ended up re-importing the project from scratch via idea Sep 20 06:20:24 lasserix does this help ? http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/tips (the last one) Sep 20 06:21:22 i was hoping google was going to clarify today the reasoning behind listing our addresses on Play (for paid apps) Sep 20 06:21:36 or explain why, or whatever Sep 20 06:26:01 whoever told me that writing 18000+ entried to a DB would be faster than adding to a HM lied to me Sep 20 06:26:06 g00s thanks yeah Sep 20 06:26:33 sarbs 8.9 and 13.03 Sep 20 06:26:53 just didn't have anythign but incluse/excluse time Sep 20 06:26:56 Tricknology i definitely didn't say it'd be faster than adding to a hashmap Sep 20 06:27:09 i said it'd be faster than reading it from the network and scraping it, each time Sep 20 06:28:02 i told you that RAM storage (hashmap) would be thousands of times faster than using a (presumably disk-based) database Sep 20 06:29:10 lasserix gotcha. i'm using idea 13.1.4 and AS 8.6 Sep 20 06:29:25 well, "using" Studio.. i *have* studio 8.6 Sep 20 06:30:27 haha i'm just giving you shit Sep 20 06:30:41 it's orders of magnitude slower lol Sep 20 06:30:50 would not run on main thread Sep 20 06:30:59 im going to count the time for shits Sep 20 06:31:11 go have a smoke and come back and report Sep 20 06:31:18 then post to git Sep 20 06:31:26 ...12 hrs later.. Sep 20 06:34:44 why are you writing 18000 entries to a hashmap? Sep 20 06:34:52 in an app? Sep 20 06:35:53 he's not, it's a server thing to match up device code names with device info Sep 20 06:36:34 even if you were just throwing boxed primitivies that's getting to be dozens and dozens of mb Sep 20 06:36:41 hmm Sep 20 06:37:08 i think he's he's doing it mainly as an exercise, to see the differences in performance between a sql database and a ram-backed implementation Sep 20 06:37:19 ahh Sep 20 06:37:25 that's not really fair comparison tho Sep 20 06:37:32 db has a lot of overhead Sep 20 06:37:39 you want to use a trie or something to compare in ram not a hm Sep 20 06:38:10 eh, db has lots of overhead but also has optimizations nobody here is capable of even imagining Sep 20 06:38:54 it's apples and oranges to an extreme, but, i can still see how it'd be interesting to do as an exercise Sep 20 06:39:26 yeah i am just curious what he is pushing into these things Sep 20 06:40:10 string keys and string tuple values, if i recall correclt Sep 20 06:40:16 Tricknology? Sep 20 06:40:20 hey ssry Sep 20 06:40:22 whats up? Sep 20 06:40:27 doesn't that blow up the ram? Sep 20 06:40:31 on a phone? Sep 20 06:40:53 its not on a phone lol Sep 20 06:41:09 aaah let me explain.. Sep 20 06:41:37 i want to know what the specs of my users devices are... model number, manufacturer, carrier Sep 20 06:41:53 phone sends that to the back end and it gets stored in DB Sep 20 06:42:03 problem is model number is like SPH-710 Sep 20 06:42:06 hahah thanks for doing something like that realized my crazy memory leak just now Sep 20 06:42:15 not Samsung Galaxy S3 (Sprint) Sep 20 06:42:20 ;-) Sep 20 06:42:41 so i'm parseing the whole list of devices from this link Sep 20 06:42:57 my game loop interpolation render-update delta was going asymptotic...forgot to clear the drawing list before adding them back each frame Sep 20 06:43:04 ahh Sep 20 06:43:11 https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/1727131?hl=en Sep 20 06:43:22 oh cool Sep 20 06:43:25 that would be useful Sep 20 06:43:43 yeah im going to github it Sep 20 06:44:01 just make sure to put int he readme the stats of your expieriment Sep 20 06:44:05 :) Sep 20 06:44:26 Tricknology so what has android got to do with this ? Sep 20 06:44:35 and why not use GA for it ? Sep 20 06:45:00 in the end it will allow me to pull stats on the devices out there running my app for targeting and support purposes, i need the model name to common name link so that its readable to me... there are liek 10 galaxy s3 model numbers, each carrier has one Sep 20 06:45:27 because GA is bugging the F out in this app. and I didnt know that I could Sep 20 06:45:38 Tricknology i'm curious, how are you pulling the model #'s? curious to see if my devices match up with the model names reported on that page Sep 20 06:45:54 the last guy put a google analytics call on EVERY button push Sep 20 06:46:10 so i get rate limited real quick if my account hasnt been shut down already Sep 20 06:46:19 GA does what you are attempting to, by just including the lib Sep 20 06:46:34 not by actually doing anything Sep 20 06:46:38 lol "yeh yo, I just got the BYD zippers" Sep 20 06:46:51 looooool, thanks StingRay_ :) Sep 20 06:47:12 I think i'll still complete it though Sep 20 06:47:30 i mean, i'm already practivally finished Sep 20 06:47:40 jus tneed to optimise Sep 20 06:47:45 optimise what ? Sep 20 06:47:53 sarbs: what do you mean? Sep 20 06:48:13 SR: like put connect/disconnect in the right place Sep 20 06:48:22 i'm interested to see if the device i have returns the code listed for it on that page Sep 20 06:48:22 not create the database every time i write to it Sep 20 06:48:41 write to the DB in parcels Sep 20 06:48:48 or whatever you call them Sep 20 06:48:54 Tricknology what has any of this got to do with android though ? the database should not exist in android Sep 20 06:48:56 i am doing 1 entry at a time Sep 20 06:48:59 open enter close Sep 20 06:49:09 times 18000+ Sep 20 06:49:15 what Sep 20 06:49:18 use statements foo Sep 20 06:49:18 lol Sep 20 06:49:33 baby steps Sep 20 06:49:35 Tricknology i think you have totally gone off track Sep 20 06:49:36 I got single entry down Sep 20 06:49:41 hehe Sep 20 06:49:44 lol Sep 20 06:49:50 that list of models and devices should not exist on the phone Sep 20 06:49:51 well at least we get some solid research data?? Sep 20 06:49:54 and thus another mad scientist or quack was born Sep 20 06:49:54 for science? Sep 20 06:49:56 it's irrelevant and pointless Sep 20 06:50:03 noooo it doesnt Sep 20 06:50:15 like i said... i think he's doing it as an exercise :) nuttin wrong with that. Sep 20 06:50:20 get model number, send to back end - back end deals with it Sep 20 06:50:27 when i want to run a report then this code runs Sep 20 06:50:58 erm… but you know you should just send model ident to server right ? and thats it Sep 20 06:51:02 it only matches the model number with the common name.. SPH710 to Sprint Samsing Salaxy S3 Sep 20 06:51:17 the report is the relational query/view from a sql server Sep 20 06:51:30 taht is waht im doing Sep 20 06:51:42 so whats all this open close insert 18000 crap ? Sep 20 06:51:56 that's because I didnt thin ahead Sep 20 06:51:59 think Sep 20 06:52:16 I wrote it up and went to run it Sep 20 06:52:35 you mean you were going to have a database on the phone ? Sep 20 06:52:48 very crazy :) Sep 20 06:52:55 my logger looks like http://pastebin.com/vLQ6ssUg Sep 20 06:53:29 lol no way was I going to put it on the phone lol Sep 20 06:53:37 it would be beyone pointless Sep 20 06:53:46 do all that wor, 18k entries just to match 1 Sep 20 06:53:59 so I'm lost, what is a log doing then ? Sep 20 06:54:06 * StingRay_ is soo lost right now Sep 20 06:54:39 looks like it's creating exactly what you say it is not Sep 20 06:55:10 this is not on the phone Sep 20 06:55:18 this is a java applet that runs on the backend Sep 20 06:55:23 when i want to pull a file Sep 20 06:55:28 err report Sep 20 06:55:41 Tricknology please, get off the meth. it'll ruin your life. Sep 20 06:55:42 what ?? Sep 20 06:55:56 open write close 1 open write close 2 open write close 3 Sep 20 06:55:57 I've never done meth :( Sep 20 06:56:07 ... x18000 Sep 20 06:56:38 i realize that now Sep 20 06:56:42 oh this just seems very obsessive compulsive way to go about testing something more or less absurdly informatively useless Sep 20 06:57:02 i might suffer a bit Sep 20 06:57:09 also that would take 5 min to setup and test properly with no overhead on a device Sep 20 06:57:23 like someone breaking down and rebuilding a radio a billion times (which is what breaking bad has taught me that those kind of people do) Sep 20 06:57:29 that is also in GA for free :) Sep 20 06:57:52 but while you're at it why not denormalize the database? Sep 20 06:58:09 no thx lol Sep 20 06:58:22 i dont want to read another howto: tonight Sep 20 06:58:46 on the plus side: doing this has taught me a lot Sep 20 06:58:49 I just set up android studio and am getting this error when it tries to install the sdks: https://bpaste.net/show/336128e18338 . What is revision 23.0.2 and why might i not have it? I just downloaded the most recent version of android studio which said it has the sdk included Sep 20 06:59:03 I wouldnt have otherwise messed with it Sep 20 06:59:06 now I know. Sep 20 06:59:54 bilb_ono read the whole message Sep 20 07:00:27 Any thoughts on CMS services for apps? Good ones? Bad ones? Sep 20 07:00:55 additionally, I keep getting this error: Your Android SDK is missing, out of date, or is missing templates. when I start android studio. I have to go into configure - project defaults - project structure to manually tell it to look in /usr/local/android-studio/sdk and then it stops complaining until it gives that error. then when I restart it I get the same Your Android SDK is missing, out of date, or is missing templates. and I have t Sep 20 07:00:56 o start all over Sep 20 07:00:58 CMS? Sep 20 07:01:11 content management software. so clients can add/remove content to the apps Sep 20 07:01:27 buuyo a database ? Sep 20 07:01:31 StingRay_, which part? I see that Nothing was installed. because it couldn't find that revision right? Sep 20 07:01:46 bilb_ono 'Android SDK Tools, revision 23.0.2' Sep 20 07:02:13 StingRay_, yep I need that. Why wouldn't I have it? I got the latest android studio Sep 20 07:02:14 ok.. so I should make an ArrayList of AndroidDevices, then parse that into an SQL statement and jam the whole thing in there? Sep 20 07:02:15 StingRay_: Mostly. Usually SaaS. Like OneHippo or Contentful Sep 20 07:02:25 how big of a block can it take? Sep 20 07:02:32 bilb_ono download it with sdk manager then Sep 20 07:02:59 Tricknology for what you want you should not be doing any of that Sep 20 07:03:17 Are you referencing GA? Sep 20 07:03:18 you crossing the road by making a bridge to the moon and back Sep 20 07:03:23 no I am not Sep 20 07:03:25 :) Sep 20 07:03:33 ha k Sep 20 07:03:39 you could use GA Sep 20 07:03:57 i understand the metaphor but what are you trying to tell me? Sep 20 07:04:12 is there a better way to add a block of data to SQLite? Sep 20 07:04:24