**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 08 03:00:00 2014
Nov 08 03:03:03 <g00s> i don't even understand how this happens http://developer.samsung.com/forum/board/thread/view.do?boardName=General&messageId=248142
Nov 08 03:03:06 <TacticalJoke> God, so many SO answers insist on the person doing presentation stuff in code rather than XML.
Nov 08 03:03:24 <g00s> "Is it possible that Samsung is re-implementing the support library version of PopupMenu for TouchWiz and has a bug in their code?"
Nov 08 03:03:40 <g00s> something messed up with classpath?
Nov 08 03:04:22 <g00s> TacticalJoke you mean doing GUI in Java instead of XML ?
Nov 08 03:04:44 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Nov 08 03:05:31 <g00s> i only knew one person that insisted all GUI should be Java. thats just busted thinking :)
Nov 08 03:05:32 <TacticalJoke> I love the subtle spam in that issue you linked to.  lol
Nov 08 03:06:17 <TacticalJoke> I hate having to do any GUI stuff in Java code.  :[
Nov 08 03:06:22 <TacticalJoke> Even dynamic stuff.  lol
Nov 08 03:06:26 <Nivag> I it possible to get a numeric keyboard with just the digits 0...9?  The android:inputType's: number, numberDecimal. & numberSigned - all provide extra keys not required (like '#' and '-').
Nov 08 03:06:44 <Nivag> is it...
Nov 08 03:06:57 <TacticalJoke> Nivag:  Does this help?  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3357302/only-show-number-buttons-on-soft-keyboard-in-android
Nov 08 03:07:12 <TacticalJoke> Google "android keyboard only digits" for more.  :)
Nov 08 03:09:52 <kororaa> '-')
Nov 08 03:10:57 <TacticalJoke> http://cringe.reddit.com/ is boring lately.
Nov 08 03:18:15 <rahat> Android Studio keeps giving me an 'aapt.exe has stopped working' error when building. I created a couple of new projects and it happens as soon as they're generated.
Nov 08 03:18:22 <rahat> Anyone else experience this?
Nov 08 03:22:23 <TacticalJoke> One thing I'll never understand: why the Android YouTube app doesn't have the option to sort an uploader's videos by popularity.
Nov 08 03:22:24 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: Hmm... tried both suggestions from your URL, but still get the extra buttons!  Will try Google...
Nov 08 03:22:27 <TacticalJoke> This is one of the key features of YouTube.
Nov 08 03:22:53 <TacticalJoke> Nivag:  Ah, okay.  I've never tried it.  I just LMGTFYed.  :D
Nov 08 03:23:36 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: So I shouldn't say you are very trying???  :-)
Nov 08 03:29:18 <Nivag> I have fond http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15099725/need-number-only-soft-keyboard  -  is there anything simpler?
Nov 08 03:29:24 <Nivag> found
Nov 08 03:35:15 <TacticalJoke> Is there a better way of saying "fall into bad habits"?
Nov 08 03:35:54 <TacticalJoke> Nivag:  Can I ask what your app is about?
Nov 08 03:40:07 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: Yes!  :-)
Nov 08 03:40:09 <Valduare> hi guys
Nov 08 03:40:29 <Valduare> how could I make an app that runs over the top of all other apps launched
Nov 08 03:40:35 <Valduare> ie to place a button that stays on the screen
Nov 08 03:41:14 <whatitis-> ask a better question of tried this got this
Nov 08 03:41:27 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: Highly paid people (minimum wage) go around to people's houses testing children's eyesight, but too many children get unnecessarily referred to hospital for further checkups.  This prototype is to help improve the process, and will be used to evaluate a number of different tests.  It will also hopefully eliminate any reporting of non existent testing (a small minority, could we...
Nov 08 03:41:29 <Nivag> ...say, be a lot more honest).
Nov 08 03:42:57 <Nivag> the childId is numeric, I want to avoid unneccessary errors by only allowing them to input digits, & to make it more user friendly by only providing digits for them to enter
Nov 08 03:43:01 <TacticalJoke> A lot of SO answers are saying it's not possible to guarantee a digits-only software keyboard; that one must write one's own.
Nov 08 03:43:28 <g00s> Nivag just stick a qr code on their forehead
Nov 08 03:43:56 <TacticalJoke> What if you set android:digits on the EditText?  Even if that shows non-digits, is it true that the EditText won't accept them?
Nov 08 03:44:06 <TacticalJoke> s/that shows/the software keyboard shows/
Nov 08 03:44:26 <Nivag> g00s: Your government hasn't asked ours to do that - yet!
Nov 08 03:47:55 <[Saint]> You guys are looking at this all wrong...
Nov 08 03:48:03 <[Saint]> Just blind the children.
Nov 08 03:48:07 <[Saint]> Problem solved.
Nov 08 03:49:22 <g00s> childID sounds so ... big brother :)
Nov 08 03:49:32 <TacticalJoke> "Blind" as a verb sounds gory.  I hope no knives are involved.  ;o
Nov 08 03:49:59 <[Saint]> Knives add additional cost overhead.
Nov 08 03:50:05 <[Saint]> Thumbs are sufficient.
Nov 08 03:51:51 <Nivag> knives are too cheap and not sufficiently high tech - a project to develop  beams of near field affects that cause blindness without undue pain, would probably get a huge US government budget...
Nov 08 03:52:23 <[Saint]> DARPA actually already did that.
Nov 08 03:52:40 <g00s> don't glad you guys aren't considering acid
Nov 08 03:52:44 <Nivag> there HAS to be IP involved so it can be protected...
Nov 08 03:52:59 <[Saint]> They have a crowd dispersing weapon that scrambles ocular fluid using high frequencies
Nov 08 03:53:14 <[Saint]> temporarily, so they say.
Nov 08 03:53:23 <[Saint]> but - yeah...such a thing exists.
Nov 08 03:53:29 <[Saint]> I wish it didn't, but, it does.
Nov 08 03:53:34 <g00s> that kind of thing is going to be handy when riots break out over fresh water
Nov 08 03:53:40 <Nivag> Advanced Coordinated Individual Destructors?
Nov 08 03:54:21 <[Saint]> Its called the Z-ro
Nov 08 03:54:54 <[Saint]> 'New weapon "Z-ro" scrambles ocular fluid and temporarily blinds victim for 10-15min'
Nov 08 03:55:03 <[Saint]> sounds like a fun night out for the whole family...
Nov 08 03:57:38 <true_techie> is it possible for a gridview to share a page with other views without those views resizing or squashing the grid?
Nov 08 03:58:55 <TacticalJoke> I hardly ever use my new tablet.
Nov 08 03:59:00 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: android:digits="0123456789" does restrict what characters are accepted to be only digits 0...9
Nov 08 03:59:03 <TacticalJoke> Feel like I should be using it more.
Nov 08 03:59:26 <TacticalJoke> Nivag:  Is that sufficient for your use case?
Nov 08 04:01:08 <TacticalJoke> Imagine if we could punish users.
Nov 08 04:01:15 <TacticalJoke> Context.administerElectricShock or something.
Nov 08 04:01:20 <Nivag> I will stop there now, as this is 'just' a prototype.  But if the prototype is successful I might get a decent contract out of it, which will make my wife much happier!  So I'm motivated tom put in more effort than I can justify with the current budget...
Nov 08 04:01:49 <TacticalJoke> Nivag:  As far as I can guess, the Fragment solution shouldn't be too bad.
Nov 08 04:01:54 <TacticalJoke> I've never tried it, though.
Nov 08 04:02:18 <TacticalJoke> Just have the Fragment call back to the Activity.
Nov 08 04:03:29 <capella-s3> punish users! "haltAndFixStupid"
Nov 08 04:03:52 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: but I still have to deliver in a reasonable time frame - so I can't spend too long polishing it...
Nov 08 04:07:50 <[Saint]> Happy {L|W}ife.
Nov 08 04:11:24 <TacticalJoke> It also brings us back to the knife topic.
Nov 08 04:11:37 <TacticalJoke> Okay, enough murder/bodily harm stuff.  :D
Nov 08 04:16:12 <TacticalJoke> Hmm, Mark Zuckerberg says he wears the same t-shirt every day.
Nov 08 04:16:20 <TacticalJoke> To minimize choice making.
Nov 08 04:16:28 <alex_PP> me too
Nov 08 04:16:36 <alex_PP> well, I have 2
Nov 08 04:16:51 <SilentByte> Does he wash it at least?
Nov 08 04:16:59 <alex_PP> white tee shirts and black long sleeved tee shirts
Nov 08 04:17:39 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I just read that it's a new shirt but it's the same design.
Nov 08 04:18:09 <g00s> hey alex_PP . have you seen this new book ? http://www.peachpit.com/store/light-gesture-and-color-9780134032269
Nov 08 04:18:15 <alex_PP> a lot of people on my CS course took the other route
Nov 08 04:18:19 <alex_PP> and had 1 shirt
Nov 08 04:19:11 <alex_PP> nope, g00s
Nov 08 04:19:48 <TacticalJoke> I think I need a stylus for this tablet.
Nov 08 04:20:42 <alex_PP> any good g00s?
Nov 08 04:20:56 <alex_PP> last photo book i read was a history of magnum
Nov 08 04:21:09 <g00s> alex_PP i don't know, they guy is pretty famous i guess. i'm more familiar with landscape photographers
Nov 08 04:21:17 <alex_PP> bought it by mistake hoping it would have lots of picures
Nov 08 04:22:27 <alex_PP> i want this
Nov 08 04:22:27 <alex_PP> http://www.amazon.com/Magnum-Contact-Sheets-Center-Photography/dp/0500543992
Nov 08 04:24:12 <g00s> ah i never saw that. I got Dan Winters' book but haven't read it yet
Nov 08 04:24:32 <g00s> http://www.amazon.com/Road-Seeing-Dan-Winters/dp/0321886399
Nov 08 04:24:52 <alex_PP> road to seeing looks nice
Nov 08 04:25:01 <alex_PP> i wish i could get real books here
Nov 08 04:25:10 <alex_PP> a lot of these don't have ebook versions
Nov 08 04:25:26 <g00s> oh that one you can get ebook from peachpit.com
Nov 08 04:25:36 <g00s> i'm also pretty hopeful of this one http://www.amazon.com/The-Essence-Photography-Seeing-Creativity/dp/1937538516
Nov 08 04:25:41 <alex_PP> or are outrageously over priced
Nov 08 04:25:47 <g00s> Barnbaum's new one. you can get that one from oreilly
Nov 08 04:26:00 <g00s> yeah winters is expensive. its HUGE
Nov 08 04:26:12 <g00s> i think they had a hard time making such a huge PDF too
Nov 08 04:26:20 <alex_PP> I don't like the books that tell me how to be creative as much
Nov 08 04:26:44 <alex_PP> langfords basic photography was one of the best i've read
Nov 08 04:27:12 <g00s> oh i've heard of that
Nov 08 04:27:15 <g00s> "After working for several years as a mathematical analyst and computer programmer for missile guidance systems, he abruptly left the field and turned to photography."
Nov 08 04:27:16 <alex_PP> and then books of photos that i can dissect myself
Nov 08 04:27:25 * g00s wishes he could make an abrupt change like that too :D
Nov 08 04:27:31 <alex_PP> go for it
Nov 08 04:27:40 <g00s> need a beter camera first :P
Nov 08 04:27:57 <g00s> alex_PP did you get that canon you wanted ?
Nov 08 04:28:00 <g00s> 70d ?
Nov 08 04:28:05 <alex_PP> 7d ii
Nov 08 04:28:17 <alex_PP> no i've still got my 5d iii and can't really justify it
Nov 08 04:28:35 <alex_PP> 5d iii had it's first tropical storm yesterday. performed admirably
Nov 08 04:29:02 <alex_PP> lensrentals.com says the 7d ii is the best weather sealed camera they've ever seen
Nov 08 04:29:23 <alex_PP> 2 cameras would have been nice for the festival we just had
Nov 08 04:29:53 <alex_PP> http://www.tourismcambodia.com/tripplanner/events-in-cambodia/water-and-moon-festival.htm
Nov 08 04:30:45 <g00s> i was looking at that little canon g7x
Nov 08 04:30:55 <alex_PP> https://twitter.com/alexinphnompenh/media
Nov 08 04:31:22 <alex_PP> looks nice
Nov 08 04:31:46 <g00s> interesting
Nov 08 04:31:49 <alex_PP> the sonys are better regarded in image quality
Nov 08 04:32:01 <alex_PP> but, that's only half the story as i've said before
Nov 08 04:32:12 <g00s> yeah
Nov 08 04:32:48 <g00s> this is my favorite, not sure why https://twitter.com/alexinphnompenh/status/462191167346442240/photo/1
Nov 08 04:33:18 <alex_PP> yeah, i like that one a lot
Nov 08 04:33:27 <alex_PP> that's from the election dramas
Nov 08 04:34:23 <alex_PP> might print it, see how it looks
Nov 08 04:35:45 <g00s> alex_PP what are these people gathered for ? https://twitter.com/alexinphnompenh/status/530612172632494080/photo/1
Nov 08 04:35:58 <alex_PP> water festival
Nov 08 04:36:06 <alex_PP> big national boat races in phnom penh
Nov 08 04:36:10 <alex_PP> it's pretty cool
Nov 08 04:36:35 <alex_PP> not been on in 4 years, there was a stampede last time they had it
Nov 08 04:36:50 <alex_PP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phnom_Penh_stampede
Nov 08 04:39:38 <g00s> oh man
Nov 08 04:40:46 <alex_PP> yeah, really sucked
Nov 08 04:40:48 <TacticalJoke> Is the idea that RecyclerView will totally replace ListView?  Or is the intention only that we use RecyclerView for heavy-duty stuff?
Nov 08 04:41:32 <g00s> i've been trying to figure out which is best for which. i think lv is probably your best bet for cursors still
Nov 08 04:42:01 <alex_PP> I thought this view used view recycler internally?
Nov 08 04:42:16 <alex_PP> I've not been following android much since the last IO
Nov 08 04:42:41 <TacticalJoke> Did you get an IOException?  :)
Nov 08 04:43:10 <alex_PP> :/
Nov 08 04:43:56 <g00s> RV is part of the support lib so it can be updated. its missing some stuff (by design) like ulti mode selection etc
Nov 08 04:43:59 <alex_PP> hmm, apparently not
Nov 08 04:44:18 <alex_PP> yeah, i think i watched that video
Nov 08 04:44:27 <g00s> i think, the more dynamic the content, better RV is because of the animations, etc
Nov 08 04:44:33 <TacticalJoke> g00s:  It doesn't have multiselect mode?  And that's by design?
Nov 08 04:44:49 <alex_PP> i think they'd like you you to use a 1 column grid instead these days
Nov 08 04:44:55 <alex_PP> to make scaling easier
Nov 08 04:46:30 <g00s> i'm watching to see what happens on this bug https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377
Nov 08 04:47:00 <g00s> it really like a better reason / description why this is happening on their devices though
Nov 08 04:47:39 <TacticalJoke> Development help?  Really?
Nov 08 04:48:09 <g00s> hehe
Nov 08 04:49:24 <g00s> alex_PP so you chilled a bit on android dev (since i/o) ?
Nov 08 04:49:35 <alex_PP> yeah, left my job
Nov 08 04:49:37 <g00s> working on other things ?
Nov 08 04:49:42 <alex_PP> got a few hobby projects
Nov 08 04:49:47 <g00s> ah, so still android
Nov 08 04:49:49 <alex_PP> but they're really hard to concentrate on
Nov 08 04:50:07 <alex_PP> because i have a camera and a bike and a daughter
Nov 08 04:50:07 <g00s> yeah, distractions, home, etc
Nov 08 04:51:16 <alex_PP> thought about a colab office
Nov 08 04:51:20 <alex_PP> but, meh
Nov 08 04:51:41 <g00s> alex_PP just set up office in http://www.gizmag.com/wide-path-camper/34644/
Nov 08 04:52:39 <alex_PP> erm
Nov 08 04:52:40 <alex_PP> no
Nov 08 04:53:09 <Nivag> TacticalJoke: using android:digits="0123456789"  also removes the 'Next' button  argh!
Nov 08 04:53:17 <Nivag> why???
Nov 08 04:53:38 <JakeWharton> Next isn't a digit
Nov 08 04:55:19 <Nivag> yeah, but only want digits for the current field, clicking 'Next', moves on the the next field , but doesn't enter any characters to the current field
Nov 08 04:57:03 <JakeWharton> i was being facetious
Nov 08 04:57:45 <TacticalJoke> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19588503/androiddigits-not-allowing-next-button-in-keypad
Nov 08 05:03:21 <TacticalJoke> Is anyone reading that Finding Success on Google Play thing?
Nov 08 05:04:07 <f2prateek> I can't figure out why OnSharedPreferenceChangeListener is not being invoked in my tests, anything obvious I'm missing? https://gist.github.com/f2prateek/516b8c4109363dde8ef7
Nov 08 05:09:20 <Darklust> TacticalJoke: I gave it a read, meh
Nov 08 05:09:27 <Darklust> It's free so meh
Nov 08 05:10:20 <g00s> Darklust any secrets on how to appeal takedowns via real human :P ?
Nov 08 05:10:38 <g00s> thats the secret guide we need :)
Nov 08 05:10:43 <Leeds> g00s: there are no real humans at Google anymore
Nov 08 05:10:45 <JakeWharton> f2prateek: is it shadowed?
Nov 08 05:10:47 <Darklust> g00s: Everyone knows google is run by Skynet
Nov 08 05:10:59 <Leeds> that's why they all vanished from IRC...
Nov 08 05:11:06 <g00s> Leeds did the goats get fed up eating grass and go nuts eating all the employees ?
Nov 08 05:11:26 <g00s> carnivore goat :|
Nov 08 05:12:04 <Leeds> g00s: did you see http://goo.gl/UfzZPr
Nov 08 05:13:02 <g00s> yeah yeah i saw that
Nov 08 05:16:25 <f2prateek> JakeWharton: with something like `SharedPreferences sharedPreferences =
Nov 08 05:16:26 <f2prateek>         ShadowPreferenceManager.getDefaultSharedPreferences(Robolectric.application);`?
Nov 08 05:17:12 <f2prateek> doesn't work either
Nov 08 05:17:38 <JakeWharton> i mean, if Robolectric has a shadow, that means the implementation is fake and probably wrong
Nov 08 05:17:48 <JakeWharton> we should kill kill kill the shadow
Nov 08 05:17:57 <JakeWharton> probably a relic from the dark days of robolectric
Nov 08 05:24:19 <JakeWharton> i can look in like 20m
Nov 08 05:35:44 <JakeWharton> f2prateek: what version of Robolectric?
Nov 08 05:35:45 <JakeWharton> try 2.4
Nov 08 05:36:31 <f2prateek> k just a sec
Nov 08 05:37:01 <JakeWharton> oh shit, it's all fake
Nov 08 05:37:09 <JakeWharton> TestSharedPreferences
Nov 08 05:37:12 <f2prateek> yeah I saw this https://github.com/robolectric/robolectric/blob/master/robolectric/src/main/java/org/robolectric/tester/android/content/TestSharedPreferences.java
Nov 08 05:37:23 <JakeWharton> stupid name
Nov 08 05:37:38 <JakeWharton> what's the real impl called, i can never remember
Nov 08 05:39:45 <JakeWharton> SharedPreferencesImpl but a totally separate package. awesome.
Nov 08 05:44:50 <f2prateek> oh so 2.4 works
Nov 08 05:46:38 <g00s> JakeWharton how would you compare picasso to glide ?
Nov 08 05:46:50 <JakeWharton> i wouldn't
Nov 08 05:47:03 <g00s> so they don't overlap "An image loading and caching library for Android focused on smooth scrolling"
Nov 08 05:47:17 <JakeWharton> never used glide
Nov 08 05:47:22 <JakeWharton> so picasso wins
Nov 08 05:47:39 <g00s> heh. uses okhttp :)
Nov 08 05:49:54 <JakeWharton> f2prateek: nice, i guess. still crappy that this is reimplemented
Nov 08 05:49:58 <JakeWharton> i'm trying to tear it out
Nov 08 06:06:11 <g00s> i think it would be kinda cool, if you could set up an auto-blacklist feature in play : if you get more than X crashes, or X crashes per day for a specific model, it gets blacklisted. then you can work on a fix, and clear it once its ready
Nov 08 06:08:28 <g00s> oh a workaround: try { setSupportActionBar() } catch (Exception e) { }
Nov 08 06:08:34 <g00s> love it
Nov 08 06:08:40 <pfn> to what end, it wouldn't improve the situation  for those that already have the app
Nov 08 06:09:02 <pfn> and many crashes may initially appear to be device specific due to device popularity
Nov 08 06:10:20 <g00s> no, this is basic statistics. outlier detection
Nov 08 06:14:47 <TacticalJoke> Gawd, I wish AS would support JVM unit tests as a first-class citizen already.  :[
Nov 08 06:14:57 <TacticalJoke> My life would be richer.
Nov 08 06:16:43 <pfn> there's really little value in that
Nov 08 06:16:50 <pfn> the blacklisting
Nov 08 06:17:16 <pfn> by the time you detect outliers, everyone that's gonna crash already has
Nov 08 06:18:12 <TacticalJoke> Are self-closing <style> tags okay?  I just wrote this:  <style name="NoActionBarTheme" parent="@android:style/Theme.Holo.NoActionBar" />
Nov 08 06:20:45 <g00s> they do that a lot in iosched, i don't understand why
Nov 08 06:20:48 <g00s> <style name="Theme.IOSched.Welcome" parent="Theme.IOSched" />
Nov 08 06:21:00 <g00s> not really sure what the point is
Nov 08 06:21:14 <g00s> since it doesn't define anything
Nov 08 06:21:53 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  I wonder whether it's a "we might need it in future" thing (though it probably comes under "YAGNI").
Nov 08 06:22:40 <TacticalJoke> In my case, I just like the local identifier.
Nov 08 06:26:11 <g00s> i think it would also be cool, if using play services the app could blacklist itself from a device
Nov 08 06:26:37 <g00s> there has to be thousands upon thousands of android device out there now, manually doing this via GUI is stupid
Nov 08 06:26:45 <g00s> automation is needed
Nov 08 06:27:07 <pfn> TacticalJoke, standard xml is fine
Nov 08 06:30:42 <pfn> g00s, are you really managing so many large scale apps for which this is an issue?
Nov 08 06:32:37 <jrummy> Does anyone know if Toolbor is meant to replace the ActionBar? There are so many small differences about them and I think users won't consider your app "materialized" without using the Toolbar. However, I would prefer to use the ActionBar for many of my projects.
Nov 08 06:33:33 <Looney> people, can we do something like MACROS to display debug messages only when build is debug
Nov 08 06:34:02 <g00s> if (D) { log } :D
Nov 08 06:34:08 <jrummy> Looney: if (BuildConfig.DEBUG) android.util.Log.d(TAG, message); ?
Nov 08 06:34:15 <Looney> I mean like in C/C++ we go #ifdef CONDITION *code* #endif
Nov 08 06:34:33 <Looney> nice jrummy
Nov 08 06:34:47 <Looney> this is what I precisely wanted
Nov 08 06:35:03 <g00s> jrummy is BuildConfig.DEBUG final so the code isn't compiled in if false ?
Nov 08 06:35:07 <Looney> g00s:  is D always like fixed
Nov 08 06:35:26 <Looney> what do I have to import  ? ?
Nov 08 06:35:48 <jrummy> g00s: BuildConfig.DEBUG is final.
Nov 08 06:35:58 <g00s> i was going to say : private static final DBG = BuildCondif.DEBUG
Nov 08 06:36:04 <jrummy> Looney: should be created already
Nov 08 06:37:08 * Looney goes to read about BuildCondif
Nov 08 06:37:26 <g00s> BuildConfig :)
Nov 08 06:37:30 <g00s> heh
Nov 08 06:39:00 <Looney> ok
Nov 08 06:40:02 <g00s> hopefully this isn't a thing anymore Looney  https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=27940
Nov 08 06:40:49 <Looney> no need to import anything as per http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/03/updated-sdk-tools-and-adt-revision-17.html
Nov 08 06:40:56 <Looney> did I comprehend it correct ? ?
Nov 08 06:46:35 <jrummy> Looney: You need to import the autogenerated BuildConfig class which resides in your.package.name
Nov 08 06:47:25 <Looney> ok
Nov 08 06:49:34 <jrummy> Looney: maybe make a helper class. Something like this: http://pastebin.com/bY3xVUZQ Then just do L.d(TAG, "message");
Nov 08 06:50:11 <Looney> better idea than having multiple if conditions
Nov 08 07:03:53 <JakeWharton> If you use a log class like that you still face all the StringBuilder garbage not being stripped
Nov 08 07:03:57 <JakeWharton> so, don't
Nov 08 07:03:58 <redfeather> Can someone explain to me what a URI and a cursor is? (Or rather the difference between the two? As they seem to be the same thing from the api's).
Nov 08 07:04:13 <JakeWharton> uri is an address
Nov 08 07:04:19 <JakeWharton> cursor is getting in a car and driving to that address
Nov 08 07:04:38 <JakeWharton> and being all "whattup" to the people that live there
Nov 08 07:04:46 <g00s> O.o
Nov 08 07:05:40 <redfeather> hrm so like difference between a pointer and an object/primitive? (if I wanted to relate it to something like that)
Nov 08 07:06:43 <g00s> is it a bad idea for the ViewHolder to have click listeners etc
Nov 08 07:06:44 <JakeWharton> more like a pointer and the memory which resides at that pointer
Nov 08 07:06:52 <JakeWharton> g00s: no
Nov 08 07:07:15 <redfeather> ah I see, so the immutability is different
Nov 08 07:07:31 <g00s> thx
Nov 08 07:09:15 <JakeWharton> i mean, in actual concepts, the URI is just a simplified SQL query
Nov 08 07:09:20 <JakeWharton> and a Cursor is the result of that query
Nov 08 07:09:52 <redfeather> ah okay
Nov 08 07:10:11 <JakeWharton> A URI of //user/1234 ends up executing "select * from users as u where u.id = 1234" and shoving the resulting data into a Cursor for you to read
Nov 08 07:11:07 <JakeWharton> but the URI and Cursor are really agnostic the fact that it's SQL and sqlite under the hood. It could be any kind of data store (but usually isn't).
Nov 08 07:11:55 <redfeather> so if I wanted to delete elements with a cursor I could do that too?
Nov 08 07:12:12 <redfeather> or can cursors only change/read.
Nov 08 07:12:24 <jrummy> Looney: maybe use Timber by JakeWharton with BuildConfig added in. https://github.com/JakeWharton/timber/blob/master/timber/src/main/java/timber/log/Timber.java
Nov 08 07:14:41 <JakeWharton> http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/keshapitbull1.gif
Nov 08 07:16:12 <Looney> TREE_OF_SOULS   :-)
Nov 08 07:18:32 <JakeWharton> yeah, man. it talks to all the trees.
Nov 08 07:19:24 <Looney> and your gif almost had me procrastinating on pathetic celeb tabloid
Nov 08 07:19:49 <JakeWharton> actually the tree of souls should be using an indexed for loop in all its methods
Nov 08 07:19:52 <Looney> I only procrastinate over 9GAG, Reddit, DOTA, ...
Nov 08 07:20:19 * Looney wonders why he chooses quality only for procrastination
Nov 08 07:24:44 <lewellyn> i don't get the gif :P
Nov 08 07:25:03 <barbs> me neither
Nov 08 07:25:17 <lewellyn> dammit irc. stop making me feel old.
Nov 08 07:25:32 <lewellyn> now hand me my shotgun. there are kids on the lawn. make sure it's filled with rock salt.
Nov 08 07:25:40 <barbs> hah!
Nov 08 07:26:18 <JakeWharton> those two sing a song called "timber"
Nov 08 07:26:24 <JakeWharton> the library is called "timber"
Nov 08 07:26:37 <g00s> who are those two ?
Nov 08 07:27:06 <JakeWharton> their names are in the filename
Nov 08 07:27:26 <lewellyn> keshapi and t-bull?
Nov 08 07:27:35 <g00s> who the fuck is that
Nov 08 07:27:37 <g00s> heh
Nov 08 07:27:43 * lewellyn is seriously lost here
Nov 08 07:28:31 <g00s> it would probably be better, if JakeWharton himself sang timber and put the video up on github
Nov 08 07:28:47 <g00s> after a few beers of course :)
Nov 08 07:28:51 <lewellyn> i'd still lack popular context, but it'd probably be better, yes.
Nov 08 07:28:54 <JakeWharton> plot twist: i'm actually pitbull leading a double life
Nov 08 07:29:14 <jrummy> lol
Nov 08 07:36:45 <JakeWharton> Timber is now allocation-free once configured. Booyah.
Nov 08 07:56:02 <jrummy> JakeWharton: Does Square give you time to work on your library projects or is everything on your spare time?
Nov 08 08:04:07 <JakeWharton> it's part of my job, but i do most of the work on my own time
Nov 08 08:29:00 <shmoon_> hello
Nov 08 08:29:24 <shmoon_> when I see a project say like this - https://github.com/firebase/firebase-login-demo-android - what is the quickest way to get the app and test it ?
Nov 08 08:29:26 <g00s> kroot is back :)
Nov 08 08:29:27 <Looney> and the advertisement killed my working app  :'(
Nov 08 08:29:31 <Looney> gotta get working
Nov 08 08:29:46 <shmoon_> normally i'd have to git clone put in androidstudioprojects i guess and then open in AS
Nov 08 08:29:56 <shmoon_> but is there a quick way in AS or github that i'm unawar eof
Nov 08 08:35:29 <Jesperhead> http://pastebin.com/NHVXZRfq Is this loop properly loading all content into the cache? Or is it quickly iterating over each list and only loading the last url?
Nov 08 08:35:39 <Jesperhead> each list item*
Nov 08 08:37:03 <Jesperhead> context: its not working as intended. its supposed to preload some web resources into the app cache during a short introduction animation.
Nov 08 08:37:30 <Looney> fixd the ad problem
Nov 08 08:37:38 <Jesperhead> whether or not it completely loads by the time the animation completes is dependent on user/server speeds
Nov 08 08:38:26 <Looney> ok, so how do I put in custom gif for loading to show progress
Nov 08 08:38:37 <Looney> I am using ABS if it should matter
Nov 08 08:40:41 <shmooz> Looney: android doesn't do animated gifs, why not just user <ProgressBar ?
Nov 08 08:41:17 <Looney> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8590587/how-to-customize-the-progress-loader
Nov 08 08:41:24 <Looney> hey shmooz
Nov 08 08:41:28 <Looney> wassup man
Nov 08 08:41:34 <Looney> I know about gi
Nov 08 08:41:37 <Looney> *gif
Nov 08 08:41:49 <Looney> I wanted to see about customising the animation
Nov 08 08:42:05 <Looney> so, found one on SO which I shared with you mates
Nov 08 08:42:16 <Looney> will try it and report at earliest
Nov 08 08:42:52 <shmooz> ok let me know how it goes
Nov 08 08:43:28 <Looney> will do man
Nov 08 08:50:49 <Looney> shmooz man I just remembered that before custom loader animation
Nov 08 08:51:38 <Looney> I gotta integrate https://github.com/bluejamesbond/TextJustify-Android
Nov 08 08:54:05 <shmooz> nice
Nov 08 08:54:17 <shmooz> Looney: are you making a reader ?
Nov 08 08:54:55 <Looney> nope
Nov 08 08:55:12 <shmooz> well it would be useful for that
Nov 08 08:55:14 <Looney> but there is some text which looks real ugly without justificaiton
Nov 08 08:56:32 <Looney> there is also https://github.com/navabi/JustifiedTextView
Nov 08 08:58:48 <Looney> biased towards the latter
Nov 08 08:59:33 <Looney> naturally because of ease of adding/using custom fonts
Nov 08 09:04:50 <Darklust> I hate going back to code I haven't touched in a week
Nov 08 09:05:09 <Darklust> It's like what the hell is this
Nov 08 09:17:21 <Sculptor> there's your answer Darklust https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111210045131AAnBktL
Nov 08 09:18:17 <danijoo> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377
Nov 08 09:20:27 <Darklust> Sculptor: "Seven days is a bit long. If it looks slimy, tastes or smells bad, through it out. Personally, I would dump it. It is better to be safe than sorry."
Nov 08 09:20:33 <Darklust> Welp
Nov 08 09:24:14 <Jesperhead> http://pastebin.com/NHVXZRfq Im attempting to "preload" a list of urls. In it's current form, I believe the app is quickly iterating over each url, not waiting for it to fully load before proceeding.
Nov 08 09:24:55 <Jesperhead> i feel like there should be a simple solution, perhaps with "onPageFinished" but im not sure.
Nov 08 09:27:05 <gmg85> hi?
Nov 08 09:27:28 <gmg85> I have a fragmenttabhost that has several fragments in tabs...
Nov 08 09:27:39 <gmg85> the problem is that the tabs are transparent...
Nov 08 09:27:44 <gmg85> how do i fix that?
Nov 08 09:34:22 <Jesperhead> gmg85: i havent worked with fragments or fragment tabs yet, but usually visual elements have various editable attributes such as transparency
Nov 08 09:34:46 <Jesperhead> or alpha %
Nov 08 09:53:03 <Looney> when I scroll my listview, I get a feeling that my listview is stuck in fetching data
Nov 08 09:53:18 <Looney> what should I do to smooth the effect
Nov 08 09:53:33 <Looney> what I think is that a loading animation will do just fine
Nov 08 09:58:58 <danijoo> Looney: are you using a viewholder?
Nov 08 09:59:12 <danijoo> and is the data from a list or from a database?
Nov 08 10:01:31 <Looney> no, I do not think that my answer to either of your question is affirmative
Nov 08 10:01:42 <Looney> I am using custom adapter
Nov 08 10:01:54 <Looney> and data comes from Internet
Nov 08 10:02:32 <danijoo> oh.. so the list gets stuck when you want to reload more data from www?
Nov 08 10:03:03 <Looney> yeah, no scrolling while there are entries which can be read
Nov 08 10:04:05 <danijoo> Looney: this is a great resource for that kind of issue: https://github.com/codepath/android_guides/wiki/Endless-Scrolling-with-AdapterViews
Nov 08 10:05:12 <danijoo> can anyone give me a short comparision of google analytics vs crashlytics? www doesnt come up with much about it
Nov 08 10:08:25 <JakeWharton> one is for analytics, the other crash reporting
Nov 08 10:08:33 <JakeWharton> both are free
Nov 08 10:08:42 <danijoo> that might be the reason there is no comparision :p
Nov 08 10:08:52 <JakeWharton> there's some overlap, but little
Nov 08 10:09:11 <danijoo> i used analytics in the past, but in fact I only use the exception reporting
Nov 08 10:09:23 <danijoo> so i think it might be a good idea to switch..
Nov 08 10:09:43 <JakeWharton> crash reporting tracks the bad
Nov 08 10:09:46 <JakeWharton> analytics tracks the good
Nov 08 10:10:28 <danijoo> isnt it more like analytics tracks them all? ^^
Nov 08 10:12:46 <danijoo> this is horrible.. https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377&
Nov 08 10:56:51 <marrrk> Hello! Is there a simple lightweight way of displaying a 3d model in a view?
Nov 08 10:58:56 <danijoo> marrrk: I think you have to draw it on your own
Nov 08 10:59:20 <marrrk> What do you mean by that?
Nov 08 11:00:33 <danijoo> i mean that there is no viewtype where you can simply throw your model at.
Nov 08 11:00:42 <danijoo> you need to draw it in a surfaceView or use opengl
Nov 08 11:04:21 <marrrk> Okay, that's not a possibility for me then.
Nov 08 11:06:07 <danijoo> maybe there is a library for that though
Nov 08 11:08:29 <marrrk> There seem to be too many
Nov 08 11:11:03 <Jesperhead> http://pastebin.com/NHVXZRfq hey folks, mind taking a look at this loop? Im trying to download the content @ a set of urls (preloading to app cache) for a small performance boost. The way its currently written, I think only the last URL is actually being hit.
Nov 08 11:11:28 <Jesperhead> or rather, being downloaded in its entirety
Nov 08 11:16:41 <danijoo> Jesperhead: should hit every url
Nov 08 11:17:22 <danijoo> but i think when you call loadUrl it replaces the old one
Nov 08 11:17:28 <Jesperhead> danijoo but when i call each url to actually load in a webview, they seem to have ~5-10 seconds lag indicated its downloading the pages.. EXCEPT, the last url which loads in ~1 second
Nov 08 11:17:29 <danijoo> that call isnt meant for caching
Nov 08 11:17:52 <Jesperhead> indicating*
Nov 08 11:18:27 <Jesperhead> as i understand it, loadUrl will get the resources from a url and put them in the app cache (and display them if the view is set to show)
Nov 08 11:18:43 <danijoo> where do you have that from?
Nov 08 11:19:02 <danijoo> loadUrl just loads the url and displays it. if you call it again, the old data will be dismissed i think
Nov 08 11:19:02 <Jesperhead> SO, let me see if its still in my tabs
Nov 08 11:19:05 <SimonVT> I'd imagine it loads async, and cancel if a new load is started
Nov 08 11:19:24 <Jesperhead> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14924302/preloading-web-page-in-android-using-webview
Nov 08 11:19:27 <danijoo> yeah. thats what i think too
Nov 08 11:19:54 <danijoo> Jesperhead: this is about preloading *1* site, not multiple
Nov 08 11:20:02 <Jesperhead> aha correct you are
Nov 08 11:20:28 <Jesperhead> so, i would think there would be a simple way to just pause the loop until onPageFinished is called
Nov 08 11:20:47 <Jesperhead> or hope rather
Nov 08 11:22:37 <danijoo> also it will only cache previously loaded sites if the sites headers are set correctly (in case its your site)
Nov 08 11:23:11 <danijoo> talking about caching between activities, where its another webview then the one you used for loading
Nov 08 11:23:37 <Jesperhead> i suppose passing the webview to the activity is a possibility?
Nov 08 11:23:43 <danijoo> no
Nov 08 11:23:47 <danijoo> you cant pass views arround
Nov 08 11:24:03 <Jesperhead> i see
Nov 08 11:24:24 <danijoo> you cant pass anything between activities that has an activity bound context
Nov 08 11:24:54 <Jesperhead> can you elaborate on what you mean by "it will only cache previously loaded sites if the sites headers are set correctly"
Nov 08 11:25:01 <Jesperhead> which headers?
Nov 08 11:25:28 <danijoo> http://www.mobify.com/blog/beginners-guide-to-http-cache-headers/
Nov 08 11:26:41 <Jesperhead> ok. i am inclined to say they are correct (though I dont know for sure) because that final URL continues to load quite quickly after multiple app installs/uninstalls
Nov 08 11:27:02 <danijoo> you can check that in chrome
Nov 08 11:27:28 <Jesperhead> thanks for the tip, checking now
Nov 08 11:27:39 <danijoo> just open the console and check the headers
Nov 08 12:07:25 <Jesperhead> everything looks fine as far as i can tell. its showing me some errors about content being pulled from a http site (and the url is https), but its only .js files dedicated to the ui.
Nov 08 12:07:53 <Jesperhead> the console had no toolbar in the console dedicated solely to headers. forgive me, server headers are new to me
Nov 08 12:10:14 <ChrisUK> hi
Nov 08 12:10:20 <ChrisUK> can you export an activity in a jar?
Nov 08 12:13:43 <danijoo_> ChrisUK: I dont think so
Nov 08 12:13:55 <danijoo_> you can create a library project but it cannot be packed in a jar
Nov 08 12:14:01 <danijoo_> see http://developer.android.com/tools/projects/index.html#LibraryProjects
Nov 08 12:52:57 <Looney> hmm, I had an icon/image of actionbar menuitem
Nov 08 12:53:06 <Looney> when I changed it to searchview
Nov 08 12:53:15 <Looney> the icon's size shrank  :-(
Nov 08 13:01:31 <Looney> and yes, the other 32x32 icon seems like a giant  :-D
Nov 08 13:02:23 <antisaint> Possible that is a thumb?
Nov 08 13:04:04 <Looney> ?
Nov 08 13:05:22 <danijoo_> Looney: i saw that happening too
Nov 08 13:05:33 <danijoo_> no idea why
Nov 08 13:06:07 <Looney> danijoo_: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=23793
Nov 08 13:06:13 <Looney> one logical-ish answer
Nov 08 13:07:20 <danijoo_> It may be a bit confusing given that our previous guidelines included padding considerations, but we're trying to avoid requiring folks to provide padding to simplify things a bit :)
Nov 08 13:07:41 <danijoo_> so they switched it and didnt made a notice about it. business as usual @ google :D
Nov 08 13:08:59 <Looney> hehehe
Nov 08 13:09:23 <Looney> I am thinking whether I should increase the searchview size or reduce the other icon  :-D
Nov 08 13:09:32 <antisaint> Hey, any know a decent method of scraping enumrtated pages??
Nov 08 13:09:41 <codestein> I have some markers shown on google maps in my app and they are representing two different things. I want to enable marker infowindow on only one type of makers and disable them for other type. How can I do that?
Nov 08 13:10:46 <Looney> random screenshot showing my precise problem http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22927382/android-action-bar-searchview-menu-icon-size
Nov 08 13:10:54 <antisaint> codestein you using sql?
Nov 08 13:11:20 <codestein> no i'am not
Nov 08 13:11:58 <antisaint> :/
Nov 08 13:12:37 <antisaint> Id be doing map markers there for sure, easy to add, edit or change.
Nov 08 13:13:31 <Looney> python is your friend antisaint
Nov 08 13:15:40 <antisaint> Looney: got a link? I want a spider to grab salted hashes.. very much like pandora and the m4a files they house.
Nov 08 13:16:22 <Looney> google scrapy
Nov 08 13:16:25 <antisaint> Not quite sure what to call that and google sux lately for relevancy
Nov 08 13:16:46 <Looney> scrapy python for yer better precision
Nov 08 13:16:49 <Looney> *yet
Nov 08 13:17:49 <antisaint> kewl
Nov 08 13:18:01 <antisaint> You have any experience?
Nov 08 13:18:21 <Looney> yup
Nov 08 13:18:42 <Looney> man's gotta eat and keep up with stuff happening in world
Nov 08 13:19:55 <antisaint> I know enough to grep a link with recursive entry, but how to do the randomization crap without the salt code?
Nov 08 13:20:55 <Looney> salt code  ? ?
Nov 08 13:21:03 <Looney> use cookies
Nov 08 13:21:52 <antisaint> http://pastebin.com/hWuBCT1u
Nov 08 13:22:37 <antisaint> recursivly locate all data.. nogo... cookies>
Nov 08 13:22:40 <antisaint> ??
Nov 08 13:23:00 <Looney> you gotta use cookies
Nov 08 13:23:20 <Looney> I get 403 because I do not have the cookies
Nov 08 13:23:52 <antisaint> Not familliar with the use of them. I understand they house userdata, what would be done, fake a access stamp?
Nov 08 13:36:32 <ChrisUK> can you export resources in a jar file or only classes?
Nov 08 13:36:38 <ChrisUK> I want to export layouts etc
Nov 08 13:40:22 <danijoo_> ChrisUK: thats all in the link I gave you an hour ago
Nov 08 13:41:25 <ChrisUK> I am not sure that will work with unity
Nov 08 13:41:33 <ChrisUK> I think it will only accept jar files
Nov 08 13:42:00 <danijoo_> yes but at some point of that file it will say "jar files cant contain resources"
Nov 08 13:42:53 <ChrisUK> this might not be possible then :(
Nov 08 13:43:07 <ChrisUK> unless I can create the view without any resources and do it all in code
Nov 08 13:43:16 <danijoo_> sure
Nov 08 13:43:38 <danijoo_> xml is just a scaffoldfile for creating views. everything that you can do with xml is also possible with plain java code
Nov 08 13:43:53 <ChrisUK> that might be the best option
Nov 08 13:44:09 <ChrisUK> so I would create everything in the onCreate?
Nov 08 13:44:12 <ChrisUK> of the activity
Nov 08 13:44:44 <danijoo_> yep
Nov 08 13:45:07 <danijoo_> you create a layout and then call setContentView(yourlayout)
Nov 08 13:45:29 <ChrisUK> what format is yourlayout?
Nov 08 13:45:35 <ChrisUK> layout object?
Nov 08 13:45:53 <danijoo_> any view you want
Nov 08 13:45:58 <danijoo_> everything that you can do in xml
Nov 08 13:46:06 <danijoo_> like linearlayout, relativelayout and stuff
Nov 08 13:46:16 <danijoo_> every subclass of View to be precise
Nov 08 13:46:28 <danijoo_>  
Nov 08 13:46:54 <ChrisUK> do you have an example of doing that?
Nov 08 13:47:07 <danijoo_> um.. let me write a short one
Nov 08 13:47:12 <ChrisUK> thanks alot :)
Nov 08 13:52:03 <danijoo_> ChrisUK: http://pastebin.com/cR4WPWWV
Nov 08 13:52:19 <danijoo_> this would create an activity holding one imageview with a textview below it
Nov 08 13:52:33 <danijoo_> bot set to match parents width and wrap_content in height
Nov 08 13:53:41 <ChrisUK> thanks alot appreciate it
Nov 08 13:53:45 <ChrisUK> although cant use R at all :)
Nov 08 13:54:11 <danijoo_> yeah. you would have to hardcode it for unity i guess
Nov 08 13:54:35 <danijoo_> you can get the image as bitmap and then do setBitmapDrawable() instead of using R
Nov 08 14:01:59 <ChrisUK> so all I would have to do is put that in the OnCreate of an Activity
Nov 08 14:02:02 <ChrisUK> and it should make the view
Nov 08 14:02:31 <danijoo> correct
Nov 08 14:04:17 <ChrisUK>   view.setOrientation(LinearLayout.VERTICAL); is ok instead of   view.setOrientation(Orientation.VERTICAL);
Nov 08 14:04:24 <ChrisUK> Orientation gives me a compiler error
Nov 08 14:05:04 <danijoo> oh yeah. it actually is LinearLayout.VERTICAL
Nov 08 14:05:08 <danijoo> i was wrong on that ;)
Nov 08 14:06:17 <ChrisUK> seems to work :)
Nov 08 14:06:25 <ChrisUK> ill try to call it from unity now
Nov 08 14:06:26 <ChrisUK> and see
Nov 08 14:08:30 <ChrisUK> woo hoo works :)
Nov 08 14:08:46 <ChrisUK> thanks alot danijoo
Nov 08 14:08:50 <danijoo> yw
Nov 08 14:09:13 <ChrisUK> shame I cant just store the XML as a string and pass it in
Nov 08 14:09:20 <ChrisUK> could just store it as a static string
Nov 08 14:11:02 <danijoo> ChrisUK: thats possible too
Nov 08 14:13:19 <Jesperhead> danijoo: thanks for your input earlier, I got it working.
Nov 08 14:13:35 <ChrisUK> what object would I use for that?
Nov 08 14:13:42 <ChrisUK> it might be alot easier than coding it all
Nov 08 14:13:58 <danijoo> ChrisUK: layoutinflater and XmlPullParser
Nov 08 14:14:40 <danijoo> I never did it but basically you parse the xml with XmlPullParser
Nov 08 14:15:10 <danijoo> then you Inflate the view (something like view = LayoutInflater.inflate(xmlPullParser, this, false) )
Nov 08 14:15:19 <danijoo> and then you can do setContentView(view)
Nov 08 14:27:56 <ChrisUK> I think it might be easier to just code the controls
Nov 08 14:39:32 <Zharf> <3 google play crashes with "java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: This is not supported, use MenuItemCompat.getActionProvider()" ;)
Nov 08 14:40:08 <Valduare> morning guys
Nov 08 14:40:27 <antisaint> nope
Nov 08 14:40:30 <Valduare> is it possible to make an app that puts a button overlayed on the screen no matter what other app the user goes into
Nov 08 14:40:38 <Zharf> no
Nov 08 14:40:40 <antisaint> wow malware
Nov 08 14:40:53 <antisaint> yes you can
Nov 08 14:40:53 <Valduare> for internal use
Nov 08 14:41:28 <Looney> I think that I will go with the tougher path
Nov 08 14:41:46 <antisaint> being?
Nov 08 14:43:58 <Dejvidk-project> try { 			sleep(3000); 			TextView textPrvy = (TextView)findViewById(R.id.textTwo); 			textPrvy.setVisibility(View.VISIBLE); 			TextView textDruhy = (TextView)findViewById(R.id.textThree); 			textDruhy.setVisibility(View.VISIBLE);  			TextView textTreti = (TextView)findViewById(R.id.textFour); 			textTreti.setVisibility(View.VISIBLE);  			Intent intentThree = new Intent (getApplicationContext(), ActivityTwo.class); 			st
Nov 08 14:44:59 <Dejvidk-project> can someone help me with fix it ?
Nov 08 14:45:38 <antisaint> no :p
Nov 08 14:46:05 <antisaint> pastebin and maybee somebody can
Nov 08 14:47:00 <Valduare> ah perfect this is what I was looking for http://www.addictivetips.com/android/float-multiple-widgets-over-apps-in-android-widgets-everywhere/
Nov 08 14:47:27 <antisaint> Yes
Nov 08 14:47:46 <antisaint> But there is also something else check facebooks chatheads
Nov 08 15:03:09 <Looney> hmm, I tried to cast a menuitem to edittext
Nov 08 15:03:16 <Looney> and it did not work
Nov 08 15:04:10 <Zharf> obviously
Nov 08 15:04:10 <antisaint> other way?
Nov 08 15:06:38 <ChrisUK> to close an activity you just call finish(); ?
Nov 08 15:06:42 <ChrisUK> nothing else is required?
Nov 08 15:12:45 <danijoo> ChrisUK: yes
Nov 08 15:42:06 <Looney> what do you write  ? ?
Nov 08 15:42:12 <Looney> about app or what
Nov 08 15:42:22 <Looney> to put in licensing information
Nov 08 16:47:47 <rathodvikas10> hi any one there ??
Nov 08 16:49:44 <rathodvikas10> i want to make an video chat application in android, can any one give me link which guide me how to develop such type of application
Nov 08 16:50:21 <flan3002> rathodvikas10: I hope there's no tutorial for a video chat app.
Nov 08 16:51:01 <flan3002> rathodvikas10: If you're asking for a tutorial on such a task, you might want to start with something simpler. Performant video streaming is more involved than you might think...
Nov 08 16:51:42 <SilentByte> Is Android Studio 32 or 64 bit? Can I unzip it to Program Files or should it go in Program Files (x86)? Does it matter? Last time I installed it was an exe so it was automated but this time it's just a zip file.
Nov 08 16:53:58 <flan3002> SilentByte: Android Studio is mostly Java code, and therefore architecture agnostic.
Nov 08 16:54:25 <flan3002> SilentByte: You should be able to put the thing wherever you want, be it Downloads or Desktop.
Nov 08 16:54:43 <SilentByte> Ok, cool, thanks!
Nov 08 16:58:26 <rathodvikas10> @flan3002 oh yes i know how to stream in android bt want to stream client to client. ok, can you help me wd the requirements like xmpp server, xmpp lib for android, how to open stream between two clients ??
Nov 08 16:59:30 <vinit-ivar> anybody tried converting an eclipse project to use ant?
Nov 08 17:00:27 <flan3002> rathodvikas10: Nope, I won't. If you got specific questions, ask them in this channel, or hire someone. I also don't think you want XMPP, but then again... Maybe SIP?
Nov 08 17:03:35 <rathodvikas10> thnx flan3002 i will check out SIP
Nov 08 17:05:19 <cheater> hi guys
Nov 08 17:06:03 <cheater> in the android sdk (eclipse), when i create a project that should support android below 4.0, i get these errors: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7171745 -- can someone help me figure out what's broken?
Nov 08 17:17:15 <rahat> When declaring stylable attributes for a custom view, is there a way I can separate the namespace so I can use simple attr names like "color" without conflicting with other custom views?
Nov 08 17:17:47 <rahat> Currently I have a conflict with one of AppCompat's attrs
Nov 08 17:19:30 <ChrisUK> <?> means of any type
Nov 08 17:19:31 <ChrisUK> ?
Nov 08 17:30:08 <redfeather> Does anyone know where I can find a list of the stock android databases? For instance this tut: http://pulse7.net/android/read-sms-message-inbox-sent-draft-android/ shows that "content://sms/inbox" has database columns like: 0:_id. 1:thread_id, 2:address, 3:person and so on.
Nov 08 17:30:59 <redfeather> Where could I find a list of other databases I could use and their database/field columns?
Nov 08 17:35:26 <pfn> rahat, no
Nov 08 17:36:10 <rahat> pfn: I found out that I can reuse the attrs from AppCompat. Would that cause problems if my library were used in other apps that don't use appcompat?
Nov 08 17:36:24 <rahat> or would keeping appcompat as a dependency just for those attrs be wrong?
Nov 08 17:40:36 <pfn> it would cause problems
Nov 08 17:40:53 <pfn> and keeping appcompat if the end app doesn't use it can be annoying
Nov 08 17:41:12 <rahat> Yeah I figured. Lame, this seems like a failing in android
Nov 08 17:51:21 <pfn> namespacing is a hard problem in general
Nov 08 17:53:48 <ChrisUK> do most people find the android API overly complex?
Nov 08 17:57:36 <ravilov> redfeather, you shouldn't ever touch any databases directly (except maybe your own), but you can access most of the useful data therein using content providers, search for them on d.android.com
Nov 08 17:57:50 <ravilov> ChrisUK, no
Nov 08 17:59:14 <ChrisUK> I might be missing something but every time you want to do something trivial you need to learn a completely new class
Nov 08 17:59:45 <redfeather> ravilov: I get that, but I just want to know what databases are already on android (Like the sms database I mentioned).
Nov 08 18:01:11 <ravilov> there is hardly such a thing as a "standard database", other than a handful of things such as the system settings database nothing else is actually part of android core, including the sms app
Nov 08 18:01:30 <ravilov> ChrisUK, unlike the whole entire rest of java?
Nov 08 18:01:47 <ravilov> ChrisUK, could be that you're just that much of a beginner maybe
Nov 08 18:02:00 <ravilov> it's kind of second nature to me by now
Nov 08 18:02:06 <ChrisUK> that might be
Nov 08 18:02:12 <ChrisUK> but for example to add items to a listview
Nov 08 18:02:37 <redfeather> er where can I find a list of core android databases then?
Nov 08 18:02:49 <ChrisUK> I suddenly have to deal with what seems like an overly complicated ArrayAdapter class
Nov 08 18:02:57 <redfeather> I am looking for such databases.
Nov 08 18:03:41 <_CalLightman_> Hi, i am facing a lot of trouble after updating my sdk to latest version, my older project is now throwing loads of errors (http://pastebin.com/QQ4b5C1b), can someone guide me if i have set up eclipse the wrong way?
Nov 08 18:04:15 <pfn> ChrisUK, array adapter is overly simplified
Nov 08 18:04:16 <ravilov> ChrisUK, nope, the more you learn the more you will realize everything is there for a reason
Nov 08 18:04:22 <ChrisUK> sure
Nov 08 18:04:42 <ChrisUK> there is reason but it isnt a very atomic API
Nov 08 18:04:53 <ravilov> it isn't supposed to be
Nov 08 18:04:58 <pfn> ChrisUK, you need more experience programming, these are the same kind and of problems you'd encounter in every api
Nov 08 18:05:10 <ChrisUK> I have some experience with other apis
Nov 08 18:05:14 <ravilov> android API is not designed with one-liners in mind
Nov 08 18:05:15 <pfn> atomic? are you sure you're using the right term
Nov 08 18:05:16 <ChrisUK> well OS APIs
Nov 08 18:05:25 <ChrisUK> IOS, Windows, Linux
Nov 08 18:05:30 <pfn> no os api are that simple
Nov 08 18:05:45 <ChrisUK> well android just seems overly complicated
Nov 08 18:05:52 <ravilov> anyway, no, nobody else thinks android APIs are overly complicated
Nov 08 18:05:53 <ChrisUK> maybe that is because I am new to it as you say
Nov 08 18:05:53 <_CalLightman_> Hi, i am facing a lot of trouble after updating my sdk to latest version, my older project is now throwing loads of errors (http://pastebin.com/QQ4b5C1b), can someone guide me if i have set up eclipse the wrong way?
Nov 08 18:05:55 <pfn> win32 is not the least bit simple
Nov 08 18:06:09 <ChrisUK> win32 is pretty atomic compated to android
Nov 08 18:06:18 <redfeather> _CalLightman_:  is your target SDK/API under android_manifest and project properties the same as your library's (app_compatv7) project properties?
Nov 08 18:06:18 <pfn> you don't know Windows if you call android complicated
Nov 08 18:06:19 <ChrisUK> compared
Nov 08 18:06:30 <ravilov> redfeather, no idea, I can't remember anyone else asking for such a thing either
Nov 08 18:06:31 <ChrisUK> is pretty much just C and a few functions
Nov 08 18:06:44 <ravilov> because C is totally "atomic" and simple?
Nov 08 18:06:46 <ravilov> hah, right
Nov 08 18:06:47 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: i am checking it
Nov 08 18:06:47 <pfn> "a few"  functions... Right
Nov 08 18:06:58 <ChrisUK> well if you want to do something simple
Nov 08 18:07:02 <ChrisUK> like add a row to a listbox
Nov 08 18:07:07 <ChrisUK> you dont have to learn a totally new class
Nov 08 18:07:09 <ravilov> ChrisUK, you are confusing "simple" with "familiar"
Nov 08 18:07:17 <pfn> ChrisUK, lists in win32 are not the least bit simple
Nov 08 18:07:42 <pfn> they have a similar adapter analog
Nov 08 18:07:53 <pfn> and array adapter is a one liner
Nov 08 18:08:03 <pfn> if it isn't, you're doing it wrong
Nov 08 18:09:15 <ChrisUK> I have done it
Nov 08 18:10:15 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: my project has min sdk 14 and max 21 in manifest, in project properties target=android-19 ; in the appcompat, min sdk is 7  and target=android-19
Nov 08 18:10:33 <ChrisUK> it might be because I am new to the concepts of android as you say
Nov 08 18:10:37 <ChrisUK> and everything is very interlinked
Nov 08 18:11:30 <ravilov> later on you will find yourself appreciating the very thing you now find "complicated"
Nov 08 18:12:50 <redfeather> _CalLightman_: I would make a new appcompat complied with android 21 and with target set to 21 (I do this by deleting the old one and making a new project). After you make that library. I would edit project.proerties of your project to 21 and then save and refresh/clean projects.
Nov 08 18:16:51 <redfeather> _CalLightman_: Er by deleteing the old one I mean the old appcompat. Also appcompat should automatically be generated if you don't have an existing one so that's why I make a new project with android 21.
Nov 08 18:16:51 <pfn> _CalLightman_, need target=21 for appcompat 21
Nov 08 18:16:55 <shmooz> ChrisUK: have you done java before ?
Nov 08 18:18:15 <ChrisUK> shmooz: no mainly C++
Nov 08 18:18:20 <ChrisUK> with some objective C
Nov 08 18:18:39 <shmooz> yeah I think your problem is more with java
Nov 08 18:18:40 <ravilov> it's quite obvious btw ;)
Nov 08 18:18:47 <ChrisUK> could be :)
Nov 08 18:19:02 <ChrisUK> for example why do I need to provide the context
Nov 08 18:19:08 <ChrisUK> for the ArrayAdapter?
Nov 08 18:19:16 <ChrisUK> does it use it for string formatting or something?
Nov 08 18:19:21 <ravilov> so it can inflate and resolve resources using the resource manager
Nov 08 18:19:39 <ravilov> which is assigned on the per-context basis
Nov 08 18:19:51 <Mallot1> Hello, I am having trouble with this instructiuon for the NDK: " run ndk-build from C:\<project> " What do they mean by this?
Nov 08 18:20:03 <Mallot1> *instruction
Nov 08 18:20:08 <shmooz> ChrisUK: so it can keep the view and data separate and allow other views/data models to be plugged in
Nov 08 18:21:10 <ravilov> Mallot1, this is actually a bit too trivial to ask in here, if you're not sure what that means, are you sure you're up to the task of compiling native projects?
Nov 08 18:21:41 <Mallot1> ravilov: Sorry you feel that way
Nov 08 18:22:04 <ravilov> I don't fell any way, I'm talking about facts
Nov 08 18:22:30 <ravilov> in a nutshell, it means run ndk-build from within the project directory
Nov 08 18:22:38 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: thanks, that worked, but the app is crashing on places where i have put getActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true);
Nov 08 18:22:44 <Mallot1> with a command prompt?
Nov 08 18:22:51 <ravilov> ...
Nov 08 18:23:05 <redfeather> hrm
Nov 08 18:23:10 <ravilov> can you imagine any other way to do this?
Nov 08 18:23:14 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: is there some backward compatibility issue?
Nov 08 18:23:16 <redfeather> what does it say?
Nov 08 18:23:18 <redfeather> yea
Nov 08 18:23:29 <redfeather> maybte try updating your minsdk
Nov 08 18:23:30 <Mallot1> That's what I used but I continue to get the error: "'ndk-build' is not recognized a operable program or batch file. "
Nov 08 18:23:53 <ravilov> you didn't complete the NDK installation
Nov 08 18:23:54 <redfeather> Can't say for sure though. I though there's a problem with the action bar.
Nov 08 18:24:03 <redfeather> Maybe try minsdk = 11?
Nov 08 18:24:40 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: here is the full error http://pastebin.com/inGsgr3t
Nov 08 18:24:54 <Mallot1> ravilov: I entered  " set PATH = %PATH%;C:\Eclipse_Luna\ndk" into the command prompt, am I missing a step?
Nov 08 18:24:58 <_CalLightman_> the line on ln no 84 is getActionBar().setDisplayHomeAsUpEnabled(true);
Nov 08 18:25:21 <ravilov> yes, that command is invalid
Nov 08 18:25:52 <ravilov> Mallot1, this is out of scope for android SDK/NDK and has to do with your specific OS/environment
Nov 08 18:26:09 <pfn> learn to use your computer
Nov 08 18:26:13 <ravilov> how to properly set/modify environment vars has nothing to do with android
Nov 08 18:26:14 <pfn> install the ndk
Nov 08 18:26:29 <pfn> and then run the ndk-build from that install
Nov 08 18:27:21 <ravilov> this is why I said this is too trivial and also off-topic
Nov 08 18:27:40 <redfeather> _CalLightman_: Not sure waht to do next >_> I woould try deleting the .android folder under C:/Users/Your_name as that usually fixes my nullpointer problems. But beyond that you'll have to look it up yourself.
Nov 08 18:28:16 <redfeather> anywho I'm off, ciao
Nov 08 18:28:23 <_CalLightman_> redfeather: okay .. i am also looking it up, thanks for your help
Nov 08 18:29:15 <Mallot1> pfn and ravilov: I need to set the environment variables? the reason I ran that command is because that's what the instuctions on the android website said. http://hastebin.com/ocisomesiq.vhdl What command should i use?
Nov 08 18:30:05 <Mallot1> pfn: So open a command prompt and run the ndk-build command from the ndk install directory?
Nov 08 18:30:14 <ravilov> ... no
Nov 08 18:31:07 <ravilov> regardless of any instructions, this is now down to properly setting environment variables (which I'm guessing the instructions assume you are aware of and alreay know how to do), so again - not a question for this channel
Nov 08 18:31:48 <ravilov> either google on how to modify environment variables properly, or try asking in ##windows
Nov 08 18:32:20 <Mallot1> ravilov: I do know how to set environment variables. So simply set an environment variable named "NDK" which refers to the directory that I installed the ndk?
Nov 08 18:32:38 <ravilov> ... dude, where are you getting these crazy ideas from??
Nov 08 18:32:53 <ravilov> whoever mentioned any "NDK" variable, ever?
Nov 08 18:32:58 <Mallot1> ravilov: how do I need to do this
Nov 08 18:33:37 <ravilov> actually, looking at the instructions, it tells you very clearly and unambiguously what exactly you need to do
Nov 08 18:33:57 <ravilov> I already told you your SET command is invalid, the instructions give the correct command
Nov 08 18:34:12 <ravilov> if anything, you should be able to copy and paste
Nov 08 18:34:18 <pfn> sad how developers never really learn to use a computer first these days
Nov 08 18:34:33 <Mallot1>  These are the instructions: "   set PATH=%PATH%;C:/Android_SDK/NDK/android-ndk-r10  "
Nov 08 18:34:40 <ravilov> thanks... I can read
Nov 08 18:34:57 <Mallot1> good
Nov 08 18:35:13 <ravilov> question is, can you?
Nov 08 18:35:33 <ravilov> anyway, by now I gave you plenty enough information, the rest is up to you
Nov 08 18:37:11 <g00s> day #3... moar fun with recyclerview
Nov 08 18:38:13 <ravilov> I'd call it acceptable so long as RecyclerView doesn't end up in RecycleBin :p
Nov 08 18:38:23 <Mallot1> I entered the command: "   PATH=%PATH%;C:/<My Eclipse Path>/ndk"
Nov 08 18:38:56 <Mallot1> What am I missing here?
Nov 08 18:39:47 <g00s> ravilov i don't think RecyclerView /itself/ is recycleable :)
Nov 08 18:40:19 <g00s> but in addition to views, it recycles souls of developers
Nov 08 18:40:30 <Darklust> D:
Nov 08 18:41:17 <ravilov> lol
Nov 08 18:41:32 <Darklust> g00s: Ever seen that easter egg in ms excel... 1? Where you crawl through that doom-style labyrinth and see the names of all the devs?
Nov 08 18:41:44 <Darklust> Forgot what it was called, maze of lost souls or something
Nov 08 18:41:46 <g00s> Darklust heh no :)
Nov 08 18:41:57 <ravilov> why does that not surprise me
Nov 08 18:42:26 <ravilov> OpenOffice was cooler, its easter egg was some sort of flight simulator
Nov 08 18:42:49 <Darklust> Hmm
Nov 08 18:43:07 <Mallot1> Does anyone know how to setup the NDK?
Nov 08 18:43:38 <Darklust> Mallot1: You *need* to learn to set environment variables first bud
Nov 08 18:44:04 <Mallot1> Darklust: I don't know what I would call the variable.
Nov 08 18:44:05 <ravilov> Mallot1, I already told you this is the wrong place to ask, I told you where to ask instead, why do you keep asking?
Nov 08 18:44:26 * g00s predicts rough times ahead for Mallot1 ; on a scale of 1-10 setting up env vars is 1; using NDK is ... 11-ish
Nov 08 18:44:41 <Mallot1> Darklust: Would I set the path to the ndk install directory?
Nov 08 18:44:43 <ravilov> ok, by now I suspect you are incapable of following instructions
Nov 08 18:45:03 <ravilov> g00s, GOES UP TO ELEVEN??
Nov 08 18:45:10 <g00s> yeah !?
Nov 08 18:45:53 <Darklust> Mallot1: You're using a tutorial right? It gave you that answer already right?
Nov 08 18:46:12 <Darklust> It is my *strong* opinion that you should tackle the basics first
Nov 08 18:46:30 <ravilov> by now he's shown he can't even copy-paste correctly :/
Nov 08 18:46:31 <Mallot1> Darklust: Here's my envoroment variable: " Variable Name: NDK_PATH Variable value: C:\Eclipse_Luna\ndk "
Nov 08 18:46:32 <Darklust> Learn to uh, turn a computer on or something, then tackle android native development
Nov 08 18:47:12 <Mallot1> *environment
Nov 08 18:47:49 <Mallot1> So is this correct?
Nov 08 18:48:01 <ravilov> and yet he keeps pushing
Nov 08 18:48:12 <ravilov> did you not realize by now you won't get any answers in here?
Nov 08 18:48:45 <ravilov> other than the answers you have already been given, which honestly should be plenty enough
Nov 08 19:19:51 <binaryking> I have followed this - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12131044/accessing-google-cloud-storage-from-android-oauth2 - and I am unsuccesful in being able to authenticate as a service account
Nov 08 19:20:08 <binaryking> I get this error - java.security.KeyStoreException: java.security.NoSuchAlgorithmException: KeyStore JKS implementation not found
Nov 08 19:21:59 <binaryking> my code looks like this - http://pastebin.com/g8kRJU1A ….. can someone help me?
Nov 08 19:29:11 <mantazer> i have a style that i use to style a button. i want to apply this style to multiple buttons, but with one change: the color
Nov 08 19:29:22 <mantazer> is there a way to do this without creating a new style for every button
Nov 08 19:29:23 <mantazer> ?
Nov 08 19:30:08 <mantazer> i feel like that would be inefficient because the styles would be the same, and the only difference would be a single hex value
Nov 08 19:38:56 <g00s> "I will catch that ClassNotFoundError and inform the users about the flaw in their OS by using a dialog. "
Nov 08 19:39:04 <g00s> hehe
Nov 08 19:42:17 <G1eb> ello, anyone with map experience in here?
Nov 08 19:42:30 <ravilov> "Dear user, I'm sorry to bother you so rudely, but it appears you have lost some of your classes. Would you be so kind as to look for them around your place? Don't forget under the couch. Thanks, your faithful app."
Nov 08 19:42:45 <ravilov> g00s, ^
Nov 08 19:43:17 <g00s> "Please replace your expensive phone with a nexus device"
Nov 08 19:43:49 <ravilov> lol
Nov 08 19:47:24 <ckoch786> I am calling a AsyncTask http://pastebin.com/smMupCYE but am still getting a networkonmainthread exception
Nov 08 19:48:59 <ckoch786> I found many threads on stackoverflow related to this issue and all the problems were related to have processing outside of the doInBackground method and in my example all processing is occurring in the doInBackground method. What else could I be doing wrong?
Nov 08 19:51:25 <Odaym> last night an android studio saved my life
Nov 08 19:51:28 * Odaym dances
Nov 08 19:52:21 <ravilov> ckoch786, never used AsyncTask myself but people say it's kind of... crap, and should be avoided
Nov 08 19:52:42 <ravilov> try using your own thread management
Nov 08 19:58:15 <Cervantes> hi guys, got a beginner question. I'm using AndroidStudio, when I want to run my app on emulator, I shouldn't turn off the emulator for next debugging process? If i make changes to my code, will the app inside the emu automatically reloaded?
Nov 08 20:00:50 <g00s> Cervantes you can keep the emu running
Nov 08 20:01:24 <g00s> if we needed to restart the emu for each run of the app, i'm sure most of us would have through ourselves off a cliff
Nov 08 20:01:43 <g00s> *thrown
Nov 08 20:07:28 <Mallot1> ravilov: Tell me how you use ndk-build
Nov 08 20:09:06 <vinit-ivar> okay
Nov 08 20:09:21 <vinit-ivar> running ant debug install gives me an insufficient permissions error
Nov 08 20:09:23 <vinit-ivar> what do?
Nov 08 20:09:27 <vinit-ivar> tried restarting adb as root
Nov 08 20:09:28 <vinit-ivar> no luck
Nov 08 20:19:10 <Blenderite> Hoe long does it usually take for a beta release update to show up for the testers?
Nov 08 20:19:38 <danijoo_> depending
Nov 08 20:19:43 <danijoo_> between instant and 12 h
Nov 08 20:19:51 <Blenderite> lol ok
Nov 08 20:19:58 <danijoo_> but usually 1-2 h
Nov 08 20:20:27 <Blenderite> why is there a delay? Does each release have to be examined before it is allowed up or something?
Nov 08 20:22:10 <danijoo_> no its just the processing delay at google
Nov 08 20:22:20 <danijoo_> I dont know the exact background of it
Nov 08 20:22:41 <danijoo_> i think its somehow queued in a release queue and depending on the load its faster or not
Nov 08 20:23:38 <Blenderite> Google has slow downs?!?!??!? They have like 1 quadrillion servers?!?!?! lol
Nov 08 20:23:59 <danijoo_> yeah. but the same amount of jobs running ;)
Nov 08 20:24:23 <danijoo_> I think caching is a big thing too.
Nov 08 20:24:39 <danijoo_> they might cache the old apk and it takes some time until the cache is timed out or whatever
Nov 08 20:24:42 <danijoo_> i really dont know
Nov 08 20:25:27 <ulli909> does anyone know if you can export a module as a jar in android studio, the normal intellij idea way doesnt seem to work
Nov 08 20:29:40 <success> http://lpaste.net/113949
Nov 08 20:30:11 <success> my string is shown as "Time: 0" when I log the stringbuilder with to string it is the correct time  "Time: 14" or whatever the time currently is, why?
Nov 08 20:32:57 <ravilov> there's a lot missing there
Nov 08 20:38:14 <Cervantes> how to kill android emu in linux, i tried kill and adb, the emu is still there :(
Nov 08 20:38:25 <ravilov> adb has nothing to do with emu
Nov 08 20:38:38 <ravilov> you close the emu window, that is all
Nov 08 20:38:41 <success> ravilov, updated it
Nov 08 20:39:19 <ravilov> er, there is no difference at all?
Nov 08 20:42:52 <Cervantes> ok, I have to close the whole androidstudio to close the emu.
Nov 08 20:43:33 <success> it is the whole function
Nov 08 20:44:00 <ravilov> Cervantes, that is kind of ridiculous, why can't you close just the emu?
Nov 08 20:44:04 <success> see annotation
Nov 08 20:45:23 <Cervantes> ravilov: I run the emu from androidstudio, so, maybe its attached to it.
Nov 08 20:45:57 <ravilov> shouldn't matter
Nov 08 20:46:02 <ravilov> very weir
Nov 08 20:46:02 <ravilov> d
Nov 08 20:46:05 <danijoo_> just shut down jvm ^^
Nov 08 20:48:12 <Cervantes> danijoo_: yeah, maybe that.
Nov 08 20:49:36 <Cervantes> btw, whats this folder 'system-images' in android-sdks folder, it has 8G of memory. Is it my virtual devices?
Nov 08 20:49:58 <danijoo_> its the scaffold for virtual devices
Nov 08 20:50:52 <ravilov> success, I don't actually understand what's your issue there, but I can tell you using "" + whatever to convert stuff to string is a poor practice in java
Nov 08 20:51:34 <success> ravilov, but that is just for the log. That is why I use a StringBuiler for the actual conversion
Nov 08 20:52:00 <ravilov> you should also probably pass an actual string to drawText, ie. use .toString()
Nov 08 20:52:05 <ravilov> not that that's a part of the issue
Nov 08 20:52:09 <ravilov> but still
Nov 08 20:53:44 <Darklust> success: "...The balls are moving"
Nov 08 20:53:49 <success> no it worked before with stringbuilder
Nov 08 20:53:58 <success> but this is so weird, it jsut does not update
Nov 08 20:55:25 <ravilov> Darklust, way to spot the most important part
Nov 08 20:55:47 <Darklust> Figured that was the most significant line
Nov 08 20:57:04 <Mallot1> Hey Darklust I figured it out
Nov 08 20:57:13 <Darklust> Woot
Nov 08 20:57:27 <Mallot1> Thanks man!
Nov 08 20:57:41 <Mallot1> ravilov: How do I use ndk-build?
Nov 08 21:00:30 <ckoch786> ravilov, even when I try to do it in a thread instead I get the error
Nov 08 21:01:09 <ckoch786> I have even done this: StrictMode.ThreadPolicy policy = new StrictMode.ThreadPolicy.Builder().permitAll().build();
Nov 08 21:01:09 <ckoch786>         StrictMode.setThreadPolicy(policy) and added a use for internet in my manifet
Nov 08 21:01:13 <ckoch786> manifest
Nov 08 21:01:19 <success> so what is the issue with drawText?
Nov 08 21:06:38 <cliffreich> this is an annoying error http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26821901/alternative-to-store-a-value-in-memory-during-application-lifecycle
Nov 08 21:06:53 <ravilov> ckoch786, dunno then, tried googling this? many others have used network code successfully so it must be possible
Nov 08 21:07:33 <ravilov> success, I don't know, at least at first glance there's nothing obviously wrong with your code
Nov 08 21:07:46 <ckoch786> lol, I have been googling it most of the blogs appear to just be ripping stuff off of stack overflow :P
Nov 08 21:08:47 <TacticalJoke> So I just found out that the bug where Reddit randomly doesn't show some of your subreddits is actually a feature.
Nov 08 21:08:53 <TacticalJoke> http://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/1pk3rw/why_dont_all_the_subreddits_i_subscribe_to_show/
Nov 08 21:11:40 <success> ravilov, ok ty. it is such an annoying problem, it is probably something obvious that i jsut dont see
Nov 08 21:25:57 <ulli909> can someone tell me how to make a gradle jar task
Nov 08 21:26:18 <MalekAlrwily> Hi
Nov 08 21:27:10 <MalekAlrwily> What differences between Application context and Activity context?
Nov 08 21:27:37 <MalekAlrwily> can Application context create views? like WebView
Nov 08 21:33:09 <TacticalJoke> MalekAlrwily:  Google?
Nov 08 21:44:16 <G1eb> ckoch786 you still got this?
Nov 08 21:44:46 <ckoch786> G1eb, yeah I am still stuck
Nov 08 21:56:22 <g00s> i think the android javadocs just keep getting worse
Nov 08 21:56:26 <g00s> looking at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/widget/StaggeredGridLayoutManager.html
Nov 08 21:56:30 <g00s> this is pretty new
Nov 08 21:56:46 <g00s> they don't even *try* to document this shit, its like they just gave up
Nov 08 21:57:38 <g00s> but google will write guides about how to be successful in Play ... how bout you just document your shit, so devs don't waste all their time figuring it out ;)
Nov 08 21:58:46 <g00s> at least commonsware future is secure
Nov 08 22:04:45 <Darklust> Heh
Nov 08 22:17:26 <Mallot1> g00s: reminds me of when I was trying to setup dk-build
Nov 08 22:18:07 <ravilov> what a troll
Nov 08 22:18:36 <ejcweb> Can anyone suggest the best way to get a version of android.jar that includes the com.android.internal classes?
Nov 08 22:18:40 <Mallot1> you mad bro?
Nov 08 22:19:13 <ravilov> ejcweb, you need to compile your own - it's called internal for a reason
Nov 08 22:19:58 <Mallot1> ravilov: By the way you didn't know what you weret aking about. What you said is ! how to setup ndk-build. Just pointing that out. But I forgive you
Nov 08 22:20:10 <Mallot1> *were
Nov 08 22:20:19 <Mallot1> B)
Nov 08 22:20:26 * Mallot1 is AFC
Nov 08 22:20:42 <ejcweb> ravilov: Ok, I figured that would be the case. I just don't see much about it online, just one article from 2011.
Nov 08 22:20:56 <ravilov> that's for a reason too probably
Nov 08 22:22:52 <ejcweb> Yup... will see how it goes. Am trying to experiment with something on my own phone!
Nov 08 22:23:08 <g00s> ravilov what it boils down to, its very unprofessional.
Nov 08 22:23:23 <g00s> a total hack. like everything else
Nov 08 22:23:49 <ravilov> hm?
Nov 08 22:24:19 <ravilov> talking about inadequate javadocs?
Nov 08 22:24:29 <danijoo_> I think its hilarious that they released appcompat-v21 and didnt realize it results in force close on nearly every samsung device lol
Nov 08 22:25:05 <ravilov> hey they only have nexuses, not samsungs :p
Nov 08 22:25:13 <danijoo_> yeah seems like.. ^^
Nov 08 22:25:49 <danijoo_> Luckily i didnt release anything with it yet
Nov 08 22:25:54 <danijoo_> although I nearly did
Nov 08 22:26:19 <danijoo_> already had something in beta release when i found out its not working at all
Nov 08 22:31:50 <ravilov> psh, that never stopped google... AS is also labeled "beta" :p
Nov 08 22:32:03 <danijoo_> in fact its not even their fault
Nov 08 22:32:17 <danijoo_> its samsung messing arround in their roms
Nov 08 22:32:23 <danijoo_> but they should have checked it
Nov 08 22:32:38 <willycat> Hey :)
Nov 08 22:33:46 <willycat> How would i make a sliding welcome page?
Nov 08 22:34:07 <willycat> That slides right and takes you through registration?
Nov 08 22:34:34 <ravilov> um, google?
Nov 08 22:34:34 <willycat> Is there a android layout for something like this?
Nov 08 22:34:38 <danijoo_> willycat: no
Nov 08 22:34:41 <danijoo_> just use fragments
Nov 08 22:34:44 <danijoo_> maybe a viewpager
Nov 08 22:34:47 <willycat> Okay :) thanks
Nov 08 22:34:58 <willycat> Will look in to it now
Nov 08 22:43:49 <willycat> Danijoo
Nov 08 22:44:05 <willycat> That was just what i was looking for :)
Nov 08 22:44:36 <willycat> When should i use threads in my app?
Nov 08 22:44:47 <willycat> Do i need to?
Nov 08 22:56:21 <cliffreich> my app has api 21, lucky me i wasn't using toolbar so 100% crash free at the moment
Nov 08 23:06:45 <success> i thought render=draw to screen but it seems render= update the stuff that will be drawn to the screen...?
Nov 08 23:23:50 <flan3002> What GLSL version does 4.X use?
Nov 08 23:32:53 <success> my game needs to run at 45+ FPS to work. It runs at 55 for a SAMSUNG S4 Mini. Is it OK to release it then and then write something in the appstore spec like "you need process X Ghz and Ram blah" for this game to work properly?
Nov 08 23:33:12 <Agamemnus> no
Nov 08 23:33:27 <Agamemnus> people don't care/don't read/are illiterate
Nov 08 23:33:51 <Agamemnus> your best hope is to manually kill off certain phones and set the minimum OS version to a high value
Nov 08 23:34:25 <Agamemnus> you can prevent certain phones from installing as you probably know
Nov 08 23:34:39 <flan3002> Agreed. You may of course write that, but most of the time people won't know about the specs and rate bad anyways.
Nov 08 23:36:48 <success> yeah i guess so
Nov 08 23:37:11 <success> killing off phones=block in the android developer console?
Nov 08 23:37:45 <success> i had a problem with noisy accelerometers on Sony Xperia, easiest way might be to just kill those
Nov 08 23:37:51 <flan3002> I think that's what he meant...
Nov 08 23:40:22 <success> its not like on PCs where people read min specs
Nov 08 23:41:02 <flan3002> People still do that?
Nov 08 23:41:10 <success> if I give the google play store link to someone who has a påhone that is blcoked, what happens?
Nov 08 23:41:15 * flan3002 didn't do that in years.
Nov 08 23:41:34 <success> it will be empty or there will be a warning when you install?
Nov 08 23:41:43 <flan3002> success: He can't install it, and it says why. And he can't find it by searching. IIRC.
Nov 08 23:42:22 <Agamemnus> you don't have to read min specs but it doesn't matter if everyone hates you
Nov 08 23:42:24 <Agamemnus> See: EA
Nov 08 23:47:01 <dragorn> it'll say it's not compatible w/ any of your devices
Nov 08 23:47:14 <success> Agamemnus, EA sports?
Nov 08 23:47:20 <dragorn> (if they have multiple devices and it isn't w/ any of them, obviously)
Nov 08 23:48:21 <success> so i did my game to learn android. performance is decent, i am using SurfaceView. I could rewrite the game to use AndEngine, unity or libgdx which use openGL and thus probably not have any framerate issues.
Nov 08 23:48:46 <success> but can SurfaceView drawing be improved?
Nov 08 23:49:10 <success> The drawing is my bottle neck, updateGame() -> avg 1.2ms, drawgame()->avg 17-18ms
Nov 08 23:49:21 <success> man if I could draw in 4 -ms...
Nov 08 23:50:03 <TacticalJoke> Games that lock the orientation don't allow me to play with my tablet upside-down.  :/
Nov 08 23:50:37 <TacticalJoke> My tablet's charge port is on the bottom.
Nov 08 23:51:17 <Agamemnus> drawing is often the bottleneck
Nov 08 23:51:22 <Agamemnus> success, just EA in general
Nov 08 23:52:00 <Agamemnus> anytime you can avoid using the GPU to draw is good
Nov 08 23:52:02 <Agamemnus> I mean
Nov 08 23:52:03 <Agamemnus> the CPU
Nov 08 23:52:52 <Mavrik> success, did you manage to run a profiler yet?
Nov 08 23:52:58 <Mavrik> which part of your drawing is taking too long?
Nov 08 23:54:07 <success> Mavrik, should I use TraceView?
Nov 08 23:55:25 <TacticalJoke> Okay, I can lock the screen orientation before opening those apps.
Nov 08 23:55:29 <TacticalJoke> Still annoying, though.
Nov 09 00:01:43 <success> how do i find the path to sdk tools?
Nov 09 00:01:46 <success> on ubuntu
Nov 09 00:14:13 <success> return x && y && z; // will all 3 conditions be evaluated or if x is false, will it immediately return false?
Nov 09 00:14:46 <success> same with return x || y ||z; if x is true it returns immediately?
Nov 09 00:15:14 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  So many of the top free Android games are just "match three or more items".
Nov 09 00:16:24 <TacticalJoke> success:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8759868/java-logical-operator-short-circuiting
Nov 09 00:16:39 <TacticalJoke> I think I'd expect any modern language to short-circuit here.
Nov 09 00:20:06 <Agamemnus> In Soviet Russia, languages short-circuit YOU
Nov 09 00:25:31 <Ologn> success - type "which android"
Nov 09 00:25:57 <Ologn> success - If it says nothing, then look in the tools subdirectory of where you installed the SDK
Nov 09 00:32:32 <success> yes but i dont know where i did that, thats the problem :)
Nov 09 00:49:02 <Mallot1> Hello. Does anyone know how to use the Android.mk file>?? I'n refering to the syntax
Nov 09 00:49:50 <Mallot1> Also, does anyone know of a good resource for the learning how to use the Android.mk files? Thanks in advance!
Nov 09 00:57:33 <pBlack> Evening everyone.
Nov 09 00:57:49 <pBlack> Quick Question: How can I use multi-dex option in Eclipse?
Nov 09 00:58:32 <Mallot1> Good evening pBlack :)
Nov 09 00:59:55 <ChrisUK> how do you detect when an activity you create from another activity has finished?
Nov 09 01:03:51 <Mallot1> Does anyone here use the NDK?
Nov 09 01:04:21 <TacticalJoke> ChrisUK:  What are you trying to do here?
Nov 09 01:05:40 <ChrisUK> well I do StartActivity to open another UI and  would like to detect in the Activity that created it when it has stopped
Nov 09 01:06:00 <TacticalJoke> You want the calling activity to know when the second activity has finished?
Nov 09 01:06:06 <ChrisUK> yes
Nov 09 01:06:15 <TacticalJoke> I believe the one and only way to do this is startActivityForResult.
Nov 09 01:06:29 <TacticalJoke> http://developer.android.com/training/basics/intents/result.html
Nov 09 01:07:45 <ChrisUK> I thought one way might be to pause the creating activity
Nov 09 01:07:55 <ChrisUK> as soon as the new activity is created
Nov 09 01:10:34 <TacticalJoke> I believe startActivity (which is just a convenience method for "startActivityForResult(whatever, -1);") is asynchronous.  Can't just block and wait.
Nov 09 01:11:57 <ChrisUK> can you explicity pause an activity in code?
Nov 09 01:13:14 <TacticalJoke> You mean like "pauseCurrentActivity();  startActivity(intent, Foo.class);"?
Nov 09 01:13:32 <ChrisUK> well I was thinking one solutio0n would be
Nov 09 01:13:56 <ChrisUK> StartNewActivity(); PauseCurrentActivity();
Nov 09 01:14:08 <TacticalJoke> I don't believe you can.
Nov 09 01:14:33 <cliffreich_> i thought new activities only start after the current one is put on hold
Nov 09 01:14:38 <TacticalJoke> startActivity schedules the new activity to run on the UI thread at some later time.
Nov 09 01:15:22 <TacticalJoke> It's possible to have race conditions with starting new activities (e.g., starting twice when you don't want this to be possible).
Nov 09 01:15:22 <ChrisUK> basically I was thinking of using an activity like a modal dialog box :)
Nov 09 01:16:43 <TacticalJoke> ChrisUK:  I think startActivityForResult is the only option.
Nov 09 01:16:59 <TacticalJoke> (Using "setResult" in the secondary activity.)
Nov 09 01:17:15 <TacticalJoke> I guess you could use Fragments.  Not sure.
Nov 09 01:18:11 <TacticalJoke> ChrisUK:  But because of how startActivity works you simply cannot block on startActivity.
Nov 09 01:18:27 <TacticalJoke> I think Android made this decision because a blocking startActivity might cause visible UI lag in some cases.
Nov 09 01:18:31 <TacticalJoke> Starting an Activity could be slow.
Nov 09 01:18:44 <ChrisUK> ok thanks alot
Nov 09 01:19:02 <TacticalJoke> Let's say that you have an animation playing -- a blocking startActivity that is slow would be highly visible.
Nov 09 01:19:16 <ChrisUK> so basically I just have to make my own override the onActivityResult method and it will be called?
Nov 09 01:19:17 <TacticalJoke> But a non-blocking one lets the animation continue until the second activity is ready to actually show.
Nov 09 01:19:21 <TacticalJoke> Yeah.
Nov 09 01:19:31 <TacticalJoke> Use setResult in the secondary activity to return something.
Nov 09 01:26:32 <TacticalJoke> ChrisUK:  Note that this applies to DialogFragment.show, too.
Nov 09 01:26:37 <TacticalJoke> DialogFragment.show is also asynchronous.
Nov 09 01:26:56 <TacticalJoke> (Because FragmentManager.commit is asynchronous.)
Nov 09 01:27:01 <TacticalJoke> FragmentTransaction*
Nov 09 01:33:27 <eghdk> I'm in android studio and I was working on a sample project... now my manifest is complaning about ic_launcher and stuff... I haven't touched it and its definitely still there. But it won't build. IDeas?
Nov 09 01:40:04 <success> i started method profiling, how do I view the results?
Nov 09 01:41:30 <TacticalJoke> Hmm.  The documentation for Activity.startActivityForResult says "As a special case, if you call startActivityForResult() with a requestCode >= 0 during the initial onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState)/onResume() of your activity, then your window will not be displayed until a result is returned back from the started activity. This is to avoid visible flickering when redirecting to another
Nov 09 01:41:31 <TacticalJoke> activity", but this doesn't appear to be the case at all on my phone.
Nov 09 01:44:24 <ChrisUK> thanks alot Tactical
Nov 09 01:45:28 <cliffreich_> damn animation is getting stuck if i recreate the viewpager and only will animate if i touch it
Nov 09 01:49:46 <success> https://github.com/openfootball
Nov 09 01:54:27 <cliffreich_> simulating ontouch events to start my animation. rip clean code
Nov 09 01:54:31 <cliffreich_> heheh
Nov 09 01:54:40 <Mallot1> heh heh heh
Nov 09 01:54:43 <Mallot1> B)
Nov 09 01:55:07 <Mallot1> Hello does use the NDK?
Nov 09 01:55:13 <Mallot1> *does anyone
Nov 09 01:56:24 <cliffreich_> Malloti are you some kind of android troll
Nov 09 01:56:49 <Mallot1> cliffreich_: no
Nov 09 01:57:10 <Mallot1> I'm just trying to port my project to android from C++ and C
Nov 09 01:58:02 <Mallot1> *Mallot1
Nov 09 01:58:32 <Mallot1> cliffreich_: I'm trying to understand the Android.nk syntax
Nov 09 01:58:49 <Mallot1> cliffreich_: Do you think you could help me out
Nov 09 01:59:27 <cliffreich_> humm never used NDK so i can't help. It looks like a painful job so i'll stick to java for now. maybe you should read stackoverflow posts about it
Nov 09 02:00:08 <Mallot1> cliffreich_: Alright, thanks man
Nov 09 02:02:13 <success> Mavrik, profiling doesnt really give me anything
Nov 09 02:02:43 <success> i timed the updateGame() function by getting time before and after and it is very fast
Nov 09 02:02:53 <success> (1ms)
Nov 09 02:03:13 <success> the bottleneck is the rendering, which takes 17-18ms on avg, min 15, max 22
Nov 09 02:04:02 <Tomaz^> Mallot1: I've used NDK
Nov 09 02:06:08 <Mallot1> Tomaz^: Do you understand the Android.mk file?
Nov 09 02:08:27 <Tomaz^> Tomaz^: I think so
Nov 09 02:08:33 <Tomaz^> Gah
Nov 09 02:08:35 <Mallot1> haha
Nov 09 02:08:44 <Tomaz^> Mallot1: I think so, but I'm no expert
Nov 09 02:08:53 <Mallot1> Great! do you mind if I PM you?
Nov 09 02:08:58 <Tomaz^> Go ahead
Nov 09 02:09:05 <Mallot1> Thanks an
Nov 09 02:09:09 <Mallot1> *man
Nov 09 02:09:45 <Tomaz^> It's 3am here tho, so my head isn't entirely awake
Nov 09 02:10:54 <TacticalJoke> Why do we have android.R.animator.fade_in and android.R.anim.fade_in?
Nov 09 02:11:45 <bilb_ono> is there a camera android sample that I can get from the sdk manager? I am searching through the samples for api 20 and cannot find a camera app. Is it called something different?
Nov 09 02:18:29 <success> does a single database write need to go on a bg thread?
Nov 09 02:19:05 <p_l> it counts as file I/O
Nov 09 02:19:53 <TacticalJoke> success:  My hunch would be to say "yes" because the database probably calls fsync(), which can be slow.
Nov 09 02:19:55 <TacticalJoke> But I'm not certain.
Nov 09 02:21:13 <Darklust> Deja vu
Nov 09 02:21:24 <Darklust> TacticalJoke: Didn't you ask that question a while ago?
Nov 09 02:22:19 <Darklust> A single database write, does it warrant a bg thread due to some catastrophic scenario
Nov 09 02:22:22 <TacticalJoke> I think I asked about flat-file writes.
Nov 09 02:22:27 <TacticalJoke> Oh, maybe I did.  Hmm.
Nov 09 02:22:38 <RobertClarke> Where's the best place to advertise a job offering?
Nov 09 02:25:44 <p_l> Darklust: mostly to avoid choking main event loop
Nov 09 02:25:46 <TacticalJoke> A job offering for what?
Nov 09 02:26:18 <TacticalJoke> I'm tempted to say that a small file write without fsync() might be okay on the UI thread.
Nov 09 02:26:27 <TacticalJoke> But I don't know the Android internals well enough to be sure.
Nov 09 02:26:47 <TacticalJoke> Though databases surely fsync(), so that's another topic.
Nov 09 02:27:13 <p_l> TacticalJoke: StrictMode would pick it up, but I don't think typical devices have it enforced
Nov 09 02:29:31 <RobertClarke> TacticalJoke: Android dev job
Nov 09 02:31:30 <oddalot> RobertClarke you don't happen to be in the bay area by chance?
Nov 09 02:31:48 <RobertClarke> oddalot: seattle
Nov 09 02:31:55 <RobertClarke> But I'll take a remote worker
Nov 09 02:32:09 <oddalot> I don't know android lol, I'm a front end dev.
Nov 09 02:32:18 <oddalot> But i'm learning, a shame
Nov 09 02:32:27 <oddalot> You don't need front end guys by chance?
Nov 09 02:32:37 <oddalot> or gals
Nov 09 02:32:39 <RobertClarke> not really
Nov 09 02:32:46 <oddalot> damn, well good luck
Nov 09 02:32:48 <RobertClarke> I just need someone that I can pay to make me an app
Nov 09 02:32:52 <RobertClarke> and bring it to market
Nov 09 02:32:56 <oddalot> I can make web apps
Nov 09 02:33:04 <RobertClarke> PM me
Nov 09 02:33:20 <oddalot> ok
Nov 09 02:43:45 <pfn> see topic
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