**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 02:59:58 2015 Mar 03 03:00:46 Also, in the mean time, while I'm researching that, I have my CAB Mar 03 03:01:00 And I want it to overlay the action bar, not push everything down Mar 03 03:01:04 shafox: I'm not 100% percent sure if an elements id can be the same as a string is, but if it's also happening to the edit_message string it is probably an issue with the folders Mar 03 03:01:18 And my styles.xml has true in it, but it didn't work Mar 03 03:01:32 shafox: have you tried refreshing/cleaning the folder? Mar 03 03:01:59 question about async Mar 03 03:02:07 TechGeek01: How are you invoking the contextual action mode? Mar 03 03:02:08 Im out, talk to you guys later Mar 03 03:03:37 if I'm using palette to set colors on a view, something like is described here: http://jakewharton.com/coercing-picasso-to-play-with-palette/, but I don't want to create a new callback every for every view, how can I retrieve the colors is gets in an async way? Mar 03 03:03:56 DadFoundMy: refreshed but still getting the error Mar 03 03:04:08 match_list = (ListView)findViewById(R.id.match_list); Mar 03 03:04:14 ArrayList itemList = new ArrayList<>(); Mar 03 03:04:20 listAdapter = new ArrayAdapter<>(this, R.layout.match_list_rows, itemList); Mar 03 03:04:30 Just the "startActionMode" line. Mar 03 03:04:52 SavedMatchActivity.this.startActionMode(SavedMatchActivity.this); Mar 03 03:04:59 shafox: i find that to be pretty wierd. your sure the strings.xml is in the same res folder as your layouts? Mar 03 03:05:06 I'm not sure whether it'll work, but try "toolbar.startActionMode(...);" Mar 03 03:05:12 I think you said you're using Toolbar. Mar 03 03:05:37 DadFoundMy: created the project using intellij create gradlr android project Mar 03 03:05:41 TacticalJoke: eww match_list is the name of your ListView object in the java code? Mar 03 03:06:22 shafox: maybe someone with more experience with Android Studio could help you out, i still use eclipse Mar 03 03:06:26 And the dir is res/values/strings.xmland res/layout/activity_main.xml Mar 03 03:06:56 TacticalJoke: Nope Mar 03 03:07:06 DadFoundMy: I guess you meant TechGeek01. Mar 03 03:07:18 TacticalJoke: yeah i do sorry Mar 03 03:07:23 TechGeek01: Is windowActionModeOverlay set in your app's theme? Mar 03 03:07:39 TechGeek01: why don't you use camelCase? Mar 03 03:07:46 Using Theme.AppCompat.Light Mar 03 03:08:04 TechGeek01: Can you paste styles.xml? Mar 03 03:08:15 DadFoundMy: I usually do, but it looks out of place Mar 03 03:08:36 Mar 03 03:10:06 Can child views draw in parent padding? Hunch is very affirmative Yes Mar 03 03:10:32 TechGeek01: Are you sure you're using "AppTheme"? Mar 03 03:10:45 In AndroidManifest.xml. Mar 03 03:11:41 shafox: I would try Build > Rebuild Project. I can't see anything wrong there. Mar 03 03:11:56 Under the whole application, android:theme="@style/AppTheme" Mar 03 03:13:06 TechGeek01: Hmm, are you sure you tried toolbar.startActionMode? Mar 03 03:14:09 Just "findViewById(R.id.whatever_toolbar).startActionMode(...);". Mar 03 03:14:27 Toolbar.startActionMode yields "Non-static method cannot be referenced from a static context" Mar 03 03:15:08 Java 101. Mar 03 03:15:54 I wasn't using Toobar, though Mar 03 03:16:12 I originally had SavedMatchActivity.startActionMode Mar 03 03:16:40 TechGeek01: That's why I'm saying "try calling startActionMode on the Toolbar instance". Mar 03 03:16:53 I haven't tested this, but AFAIK this is necessary to solve your issue. Mar 03 03:17:21 The toolbar instance being the element used as the toolbar? Mar 03 03:17:30 findViewById(R.id.whatever_toolbar).startActionMode(...); Mar 03 03:18:29 It's just called from a menu file. There is no associated R.id for it Mar 03 03:18:36 could android support a 3d mmorpg? Mar 03 03:18:59 Unless you're referring to the match_list ListView Mar 03 03:19:28 is it robust enough to handle 3d graphics, networking, chat and some physics? Mar 03 03:19:49 specifically on an android tv device Mar 03 03:19:58 AHA! Mar 03 03:20:56 The walkthrough I got help from had ActivityName.startActionMode Mar 03 03:21:03 But it's all good now Mar 03 03:23:11 I think I addressed that about four times. :p Mar 03 03:24:39 :P. Your whatever_toolbar was confusing my tired-because-it's-late mind. Lol Mar 03 03:24:57 Storyteller saw this today http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8135723/android-tv-turn-phones-into-game-controllers Mar 03 03:27:13 very cool g00s Mar 03 03:27:26 wasnt I saying something about that a couple days ago? Mar 03 03:27:43 i think so. i'm not into gaming Mar 03 03:27:56 dont have android TV, dont have android watch Mar 03 03:28:15 you go to a friends house and the games are just 'on the TV', tied to an account, not a console, and everyone pulls out their phone and the phone becomes a controller? Mar 03 03:28:24 TacticalJoke: will try that Mar 03 03:28:37 I have an android phone, I am getting an android tv in a month or so Mar 03 03:28:49 Im building my own smartwatch Mar 03 03:29:05 chronos 430 Mar 03 03:31:47 TacticalJoke: This should create a file if one doesn't exist when myFile.close() is called, right? I keep getting FileNotFoundExceptions when I run it. http://pastebin.com/XeuQ9mUk Mar 03 03:33:40 Yes, it should. Mar 03 03:34:33 Oh. Mar 03 03:34:35 I'm looking for inspiration on how to best layout a series of key/values in a Material style layout. Does anyone have any websites/suggestions? Mar 03 03:34:41 You're not saying "new FileOutputStream(file)". Mar 03 03:37:12 Mittendeep: BTW, your code is crying out to be simplified here. Mar 03 03:38:13 See where you say "new Treasure(...)" at the bottom? The code is screaming this at me: "Treasure treasure = new Treasure(...); treasure.writeToDisk(file);". Mar 03 03:38:48 The optimal design might be even better (because you have a whole list of these things), but it's hard to say just from that snippet. Mar 03 03:39:54 Mittendeep: In other words, the Treasure class looks like it should stop being lazy and start writing its *own* state to disk. Mar 03 03:42:14 Here is how someone else approached the writing the xml file to the disk and appending to it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15072921/how-do-i-make-this-code-output-a-second-node Mar 03 03:46:48 yes, android has a bunch of MMORPGs! Mar 03 03:46:56 some are actually pretty decent Mar 03 03:47:09 hey all. I'm interacting with MediaCodec. Does anyone know any solid projects that do MediaCodec stuff that ISNT Grafika ? Mar 03 03:51:07 Mittendeep: Your activity is dealing with writing Treasure state to disk. That's a sign that the design isn't quite right -- GUI things such as activities shouldn't know anything about disk access. Also, I'm guessing your Treasure class has state with zero behaviour (another sign). Still, it's your code; just making suggestions. :) Mar 03 03:52:06 (That's not to say that data-only classes are always bad. They're just bad quite often.) Mar 03 03:56:36 hello, I an trying to use a MediaPlayer to listen to a MP3 stream, but get silence. code: http://pastebin.com/V9pjPufP Mar 03 04:00:08 groxx still around Mar 03 04:00:23 somewhat Mar 03 04:00:51 wonder what you think of this. so i have this bluetooth device which has a few internal registers for settings Mar 03 04:01:26 not sure what to do (1) only allow setting these when the device is connected. so if user changes setting, it just gets saved to the device -or- Mar 03 04:01:51 let the user change settings anytime (even if not connected). cache those on the phone until connecting to the device, and then sync Mar 03 04:03:29 so few things allow "offline" changing of settings, personally I'd say just when it's connected. obviously I would *like* it all the time... Mar 03 04:03:53 but that also avoids the problems when people don't understand that X has to be connected before it'll be updated. Mar 03 04:04:28 "you must connect X to change its settings" is a pretty straightforward requirement, and it can't be forgotten Mar 03 04:05:02 ok, thanks ! Mar 03 04:06:02 (I'm happy to debate, you may even convince me otherwise!) Mar 03 04:06:37 i'm actually using the regular Preference stuff for these things, which typically persist to SavedPreferences Mar 03 04:06:57 its actually kinda hard making these things work in a disconnected / async way Mar 03 04:07:12 not sure whats harder, syncing or making them async Mar 03 04:07:32 but from UX perspective - i guess that should be the #1 reason, whats best for UX Mar 03 04:07:51 ha, yeah, sync is hard :) Mar 03 04:08:01 i suppose somebody could change a setting, not realize that they are disconnected Mar 03 04:08:10 and think things are hunk dory Mar 03 04:08:56 yeah. that's my main thought there. forcing it to be connected reinforces that they're not always magically up to date (for good or bad) Mar 03 04:09:55 ok, so online required to edit settings. thanks Mar 03 04:10:38 work has driven me towards a "don't confuse people" and "prevent mistakes by design" approach whenever possible. for most cases, it seems like the right approach. power users often disagree though :) Mar 03 04:11:22 hello, I an trying to use a MediaPlayer to listen to a MP3 stream, but get silence. code: http://pastebin.com/V9pjPufP Mar 03 04:12:01 there are a lot of really high quality android games... Mar 03 04:12:18 and lots of really poor android game devs :) Mar 03 04:12:26 I think android tv is just a no-brainer, bringing that potential to a more friendly format Mar 03 04:12:38 i knew a pretty sharp guy that decided console games was where it was at, after 5 years of mobile Mar 03 04:12:39 yeah, I dont get that Mar 03 04:13:03 console games are great Mar 03 04:13:10 if you can break into the market Mar 03 04:13:25 but why are some many android game devs broke? Mar 03 04:13:29 Storyteller its very hard for indy devs to get noticed now in game genre Mar 03 04:13:45 so many games - very saturated Mar 03 04:13:52 steam seems to be working better than most, and it's still hard Mar 03 04:13:55 you have to pay quite a bit to get noticed unless you get lucky Mar 03 04:13:56 why? there are tons of indie games that get great sales Mar 03 04:14:05 well, yeah, its marketing Mar 03 04:14:24 1/2 your budget should go to marketing Mar 03 04:14:42 basically, whatever you spend on code art and music, spend that much on marketing Mar 03 04:14:43 also, with android TV - realistically how many people will buy these - so it could be a very small market Mar 03 04:15:00 I think a lot of people are buying set top boxes Mar 03 04:15:04 yeah you need artists, music, lots and lots of work Mar 03 04:15:30 right, so why put all that into a game then spend nothing on publicity? Mar 03 04:15:53 i dont know how much money you have to market Mar 03 04:16:01 you cant just make a game and be like 'my game is awesome it will spread by word of mouth on how good it is' Mar 03 04:16:01 I fear more are buying TVs with stuff built in, but it's possible that android will dominate there eventually Mar 03 04:16:11 yes Mar 03 04:16:28 I hope so anyway. the built in stuff is garbage. Mar 03 04:16:33 well, even if you are 'indie' ands I am Mar 03 04:16:50 indies don't tend to have money to spend on marketing Mar 03 04:16:56 not compare to EA anyhow Mar 03 04:17:08 you can market yourself, send emails to magazines, talk to reviewers, spend those google adword credits yu get when you buy hosting Mar 03 04:17:24 of course not, but you can get your game out there Mar 03 04:17:40 further, why are you competing with EA? compete with the next indie over Mar 03 04:18:15 "EA" or any other big name studio makes the same games over and over again Mar 03 04:18:46 big gun shooter, fast car racing, hardcore gangster roguelike Mar 03 04:19:05 they dont innovate, they cant, they have to stick with a formulaic game Mar 03 04:19:08 Storyteller anyhow, good luck. writing mobile for consumers is becoming a fools errand for indies Mar 03 04:19:25 so break the mold, sell games the big guys arent making Mar 03 04:19:37 do it, get back to us ;) Mar 03 04:19:47 like I said, Im not trying to dev for mobile, Im making games for a tv, that runs an OS Mar 03 04:19:53 the money in mobile is moving to enterprise development Mar 03 04:20:20 so where do you think the indie money is? PC? flash? web? Mar 03 04:20:55 i looked at kickstarter, saw a lot of buig names that already had money Mar 03 04:21:25 Storyteller if you would like some numbers, sign up for http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2015/02/app-developer-trends-q1-2015/ Mar 03 04:23:42 hm, not sure if this is the same http://www.visionmobile.com/product/app-economy-forecasts-2014-2017/ Mar 03 04:24:58 http://www.developereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/edd/2015/02/below-1k-month.jpg Mar 03 04:25:02 this is good Mar 03 04:25:41 interesting "Two-thirds of app data traffic over mobile networks comes from top five apps" Mar 03 04:26:20 twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram and whats the new one... vine? Mar 03 04:27:34 Netflix probably Mar 03 04:27:41 YouTube Mar 03 05:04:42 is any method called when a dialog closes? Mar 03 05:04:53 i always onResume() was callled but i guess not Mar 03 05:04:57 *thought Mar 03 05:09:48 I don't think so Mar 03 05:19:27 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2015/03/google-play-services-70-places-everyone.html Mar 03 05:32:22 I have a ListFragment, and need to open an activity when an item is clicked. Which is the best? startActivity from the fragment itself, or notify the parent fragment to start the new activity? Mar 03 05:32:58 s/parent fragment/parent activity Mar 03 05:33:07 parent activity Mar 03 05:33:24 why? Mar 03 05:34:39 easier to compose behavior if its delegated to a mediator - in this case the activity Mar 03 05:35:09 ok Mar 03 05:35:27 Not sure I understand the point of delegating Mar 03 05:37:17 well classic example is master detail - if you press an item in the master you may either add a new fragment (tablet - detail) or start a new activity (for phone - detail) Mar 03 05:37:55 if there are multiple fragments on the screen at once, its harder to reuse one fragment if its has its own idea about global navigation and behavior Mar 03 05:38:32 If it's a one time thing, start the activity from the fragment. If it's an event that miight have more than one interested party, post it to a bus or create an Rx observable Mar 03 05:38:42 either way, asking the activity to start that new activity seems unnecessary Mar 03 05:39:27 i try to write the fragments in a way they don't assume what else they are being shown with - but yeah, one off it is easier Mar 03 05:40:31 this case is just one time navigate to detail -> and come back Mar 03 05:40:56 so if you are in landscape, you would probably just add another fragment Mar 03 05:41:20 this is phone only app. Mar 03 05:42:05 after all these years i still haven't found a good way to map fragments to activities, always seems like a mess ensues Mar 03 05:42:24 rotation changes, cached fragments, oh my Mar 03 05:42:35 true story Mar 03 05:43:15 I fix my apps to portrait - no worries :P Mar 03 05:43:47 i was hoping google would do some DSL to create high level information architecture mapping of activities and fragments Mar 03 05:44:04 i think they kinda started something in AS but ... whatever Mar 03 05:45:03 i think the thing here is that IA on mobile is also a function of context Mar 03 05:45:41 i dont understand a word :) Mar 03 05:46:08 napster like to read ? Mar 03 05:46:11 (books) Mar 03 05:46:20 will be appreciated Mar 03 05:46:23 http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024651.do Mar 03 05:46:32 much obliged Mar 03 05:46:40 ;) Mar 03 05:58:34 one of the things i wish amazon let me search by - are books endorsed by a person, like Steven Pinker for example Mar 03 05:59:23 9 times out of 10 i just want better search, seems like the effort goes into advertising these days Mar 03 05:59:45 Which is the best way to implement these kinds of UIs on Android? Should I go with OpenGL or HTML5? I just need merging and splitting of two buttons. Mar 03 05:59:46 https://www.behance.net/gallery/20458053/Taasky-for-Apple-Watch Mar 03 06:01:22 We want great people to endorse books in the first place. Mar 03 06:15:40 any dev here ?? need help regarding wifi Mar 03 06:21:53 just ask away Mar 03 06:21:56 maybe someone answers Mar 03 06:24:49 i'm trying to port cm12 to redmi 1s Mar 03 06:25:09 so far i have been successfull in booting it up Mar 03 06:25:31 but this requires a workaround in init file Mar 03 06:25:57 i have to disable the qmuxed service Mar 03 06:26:41 otherwise it keeps crashing the wifistateMachine . I'm providing the logs Mar 03 06:30:01 you might want to go to #android-root Mar 03 06:30:28 kk Mar 03 06:53:59 Hi. I'm wondering if anyone can give me any advice on how to approach/fix a problem I'm facing with large (full screen width, around 600px high) images in a list view. As a test, I've got 4 elements in the list. All images are being loaded in the background. However, even when scrolling when all the elements of the list are at least partially in view, there is an awful lot of lag. Really kills the user experience. Mar 03 06:54:30 There isn't any loading/unloading going on at this point... no gc either. Anyone know what causes this lag? Mar 03 06:54:49 aaronds: Are you loading these images in the main thread? Mar 03 06:55:28 CedricBeust: "All images are being loaded in the background." Mar 03 06:55:42 Missed that sorry Mar 03 06:55:44 pastebin then Mar 03 06:56:22 No probs, ok. Mar 03 06:57:58 Hey all, this might be a dumb question but I've never tested it. Would you happen to be able to tell me if I spawn a parent thread, and from it spawn a child thread, then make the parent wait(), is the child thread affected? What if the parent thread finishes? will the child thread go on to completion? Mar 03 06:58:37 looking for a ( 0 1 ) Mar 03 06:59:20 CedricBeust: http://pastebin.com/vfnicdM0 Here's the adapter... the load bitmap code is pretty much exactly what is recommended in the docs for efficient bitmap loading, but like I say, there shouldn't be any loading going on at this point anyway. Mar 03 07:00:40 First thing I notice is you findViewById() the same view multiple times Mar 03 07:01:13 What happens if you comment out the loadBitmap() on line 43? Mar 03 07:03:01 CedricBeust: that code should indeed be optimized but in the existing test conditions it is only called a few times at the start, so surely the list should still scroll fine with such a limited number of elements. I'll take out the loading and set a background or something so I can properly monitor the impact. Mar 03 07:03:26 yes I don't think the findByViewId is the problem but worth optimizing anyway Mar 03 07:03:34 but loadBitmap() is suspicious Mar 03 07:04:08 uh what's the simplest way to test this without the imageView... without loading a bitmap there the card is empty so there's nothing to see Mar 03 07:04:09 draw a rect? Mar 03 07:04:23 just comment it out and see if the slowdown is still ther Mar 03 07:04:36 I can't, since there's nothing in the card Mar 03 07:04:42 there'd be nothing to scroll Mar 03 07:05:05 You're saying this is happening in the background but you're not showing the source of this method Mar 03 07:05:34 hold on let me just test without it first Mar 03 07:07:17 i'm pretty new to android studio, in previous versions i was able to add a scale argument to my build configuration for my AVD, i'm using the new AVD config and even doing 10 to 1 dpi my AVD still loads huge Mar 03 07:07:47 ok great CedricBeust, without that call, and with the imageview replaced with a textview, the scrolling is fine. Mar 03 07:08:03 as written that would have to be decoding on the UI thread right ? Mar 03 07:08:23 g00s: That's been my suspicion since the start but aaronds disputed it, we'll see Mar 03 07:08:27 aaronds aybe look at glide or picasso or something (depending on your needs) Mar 03 07:08:28 what does loadBitmap() does exactly? Mar 03 07:09:53 ahh i see editing the argument where i did before does the trick. no matter what i scale to in the AVD config it doesn't change my run command for the AVD Mar 03 07:10:14 Ok CedricBeust | g00s I'll dump the ImageUtils class... I've just been following the developer docs on async loading Mar 03 07:10:37 aaronds: So why are you convinced this is happening in the background if you'r enot sure how it's implemented? Mar 03 07:10:54 Does anybody use eventbus to pass objects around in your apps? Mar 03 07:10:58 CedricBeust: who said I'm not sure how it's implemented? Mar 03 07:11:24 Napalm: I used to use the event bus a lot, been using Rx more lately, with some reluctance Mar 03 07:11:31 CedricBeust: unless I've misunderstood, I'm using AsyncTask correctly (but maybe you can correct me). Mar 03 07:11:39 Rx Mar 03 07:11:55 lol, i bet you're .getting the result and blocking :) Mar 03 07:12:22 CedricBeust: | g00s http://pastebin.com/pgp4pna7 Mar 03 07:12:47 Point out my glaring error :( Mar 03 07:17:32 That's a lot of code for something so simple (decoding a bitmap in the background) Mar 03 07:18:23 CedricBeust: first two methods I could have excluded for berevity (and aren't actually a lot of use in this particular case). Mar 03 07:18:50 The rest are just as per the dev guide I was following. Mar 03 07:20:21 CedricBeust what about rx has contributed to reluctance? just curious; for me its the java 7 boilerplate which would go away if i used kotlin Mar 03 07:21:10 g00s: I don't have a problem with the verbosity caused by anonymous classes, the benefits are worth it Mar 03 07:21:25 I'm still a bit wary of Rx because of the way observables and observers are now tightly coupled Mar 03 07:21:44 Not the case with the even tbus Mar 03 07:22:04 ahh. this was deuteros' concern too Mar 03 07:22:16 Yeah that's not new Mar 03 07:22:40 well, if you use Rx as an event bus i guess its not going to be as nice as a dedicated one Mar 03 07:22:55 You can do that somewhat Mar 03 07:22:57 but many places i was using an event bus are no longer Mar 03 07:24:31 CedricBeust | g00s any advice on where I was going wrong / what to try next? Mar 03 07:24:47 might just rewrite simpler version Mar 03 07:24:48 aaronds: Can you measure how long your onPostExecute() takes? Mar 03 07:24:58 Yes you will have to rewrite this and make it sipler Mar 03 07:25:03 but worth investigating this problem Mar 03 07:25:15 Your onPostExecute() should be pretty much instant Mar 03 07:25:30 sure Mar 03 07:25:32 aaronds also maybe check out http://www.slideshare.net/tyronenicholas/tips-and-tricks-for-image-handling-in-android Mar 03 07:25:39 from facebook Mar 03 07:25:53 thanks g00s Mar 03 07:27:02 Your bitmapworkerTest code looks superfluous, no need to keep track of that but that's more in the department of overcomplication than performance Mar 03 07:28:20 CedricBeust: did a quick test of onPostExecute (just compared currentTimeMillis at beginning/end) and it seems instant Mar 03 07:28:47 "seems"? Just time it with millis, just to put that concern to rest Mar 03 07:28:54 0 Mar 03 07:29:02 Alright Mar 03 07:29:09 Then there's something else happening on the main thread Mar 03 07:29:50 I'm seeing "Skipped 59 frames!" in logcat Mar 03 07:30:01 Yeah not surprising, and not good Mar 03 07:30:06 "This application may be doing too much work on its main thread" Mar 03 07:30:56 time loadBitmap() before you call execute() Mar 03 07:31:50 ok Mar 03 07:31:52 I wonder if setImageDrable() is costly Mar 03 07:32:51 loadbitmap is 0 too Mar 03 07:41:27 wow, i copied & pasted a file into AS editor and it make a file called java.java in a new package and internal errored :) Mar 03 07:42:57 copy pasting the content of the file does things better Mar 03 07:43:14 i selected all from a web page :) Mar 03 07:43:24 it will automatically create a file with the same name of the class Mar 03 07:43:28 lol Mar 03 07:43:30 the frikking SlaidingTabLayout omg save my do i have to copy this crap Mar 03 07:43:46 yep, plus the tabstrip Mar 03 07:43:48 :) Mar 03 07:44:41 for the bug report, i said "AS crashed because i should not have to copy / paste snippets to get what should be platform defined widgets ;)" Mar 03 07:45:21 hue hue hue Mar 03 07:47:40 Off to bed for now... will look at this more tomorrow. Thanks CedricBeust & g00s Mar 03 07:49:17 good morning Mar 03 07:49:40 lemongah ! Mar 03 07:49:44 gah Mar 03 07:49:44 lemonxah :) Mar 03 07:49:47 :) Mar 03 07:50:19 ugh this oem mixed endianness of the data in their GATT model Mar 03 07:50:38 i've been thinking about going into berry farming Mar 03 07:50:53 fffffuuuu Mar 03 07:51:18 what? Mar 03 07:51:21 lol Mar 03 07:51:28 you need sleep or a packet of chips? Mar 03 07:52:34 i probably need a anti-anxiety stuff Mar 03 07:53:10 why the anxiety? Mar 03 07:56:50 g00s: Did you see this? http://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/2xn3gd/devs_app_rejections_no_longer_automatically_count/ Mar 03 07:56:57 Dunno whether it means much, but it's interesting. Mar 03 07:56:58 TacticalJoke yeah Mar 03 07:57:10 The guy screwed up the title. Mar 03 07:57:14 i argued thats the way it should have been from the beginning Mar 03 07:57:35 "App rejections no longer count as strikes against developer accounts" might've fared better. Mar 03 07:59:04 The two exclamation marks make it seem slightly frivolous. Mar 03 07:59:26 yeah, it should have had at least 3 Mar 03 07:59:29 5 would be better Mar 03 07:59:37 more like ?!?!?!??!?! Mar 03 07:59:45 since we're not really sure Mar 03 08:00:57 Jesus, that CommonsWare book is over 3,000 pages long. Mar 03 08:01:15 The Busy Coder's Guide to Android. Mar 03 08:01:20 Development^ Mar 03 08:01:21 seems crazy Mar 03 08:01:34 it used to be 3 or 4 books, I think... Mar 03 08:01:37 that sounds more like the bored coder's guide Mar 03 08:01:45 part of it is low # words per page with huge margins Mar 03 08:01:55 JesusFreke :S Mar 03 08:02:00 that's how I always bumped up the page count of my papers :D Mar 03 08:04:05 how do you implement the actionbar show/disappear like in google inbox? Mar 03 08:04:52 hi why i am getting this error that part of my code ? E/libEGL﹕ call to OpenGL ES API with no current context (logged once per thread) Mar 03 08:04:56 http://paste.ubuntu.com/10512476/ Mar 03 08:21:18 mtp://[usb:002,027]/Phone/ Mar 03 08:21:19 huh Mar 03 08:21:24 doesn't suck as much as it used to Mar 03 08:32:37 I almost forgot how addictive Twitter is. Mar 03 08:47:04 is there any way to get AS to compact its memory Mar 03 08:47:18 i keep having to shut it down once it reaches 1G Mar 03 08:54:27 just let it take 1 gb? Mar 03 08:54:34 not like 1 gb is that much for an IDE Mar 03 08:54:46 my ide takes 3 gig right now Mar 03 09:04:11 yeah, i only have 4G and the gradle daemon takes around 800mb Mar 03 09:05:32 g00s, set heap limt. Mar 03 09:05:33 also Mar 03 09:05:45 what the heck are you doing developing on 4G machine Mar 03 09:05:52 yeah yeah i know Mar 03 09:06:11 java heap size is configurable for gradle daemon and for as separately Mar 03 09:09:18 ah studio.vmoptions Mar 03 09:09:38 that's for A Mar 03 09:09:40 *AS Mar 03 09:10:04 hi ya'll Mar 03 09:13:50 Mavrik for the daemon started by AS, should i use AS preferences -> gradle -> gradle vm options or edit some file Mar 03 09:14:29 g00s, see gradle.properties Mar 03 09:14:39 g00s, org.gradle.jvmargs=-Xmx2048m -XX:MaxPermSize=512m -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 Mar 03 09:14:53 it says it applies for the daemon process Mar 03 09:22:28 how mcuh ram do you generally recommend for development? Mar 03 09:22:39 hardware in general Mar 03 09:22:41 much* Mar 03 09:23:56 at current prices Mar 03 09:23:58 buy 16G Mar 03 09:24:45 8G is usually enough though, but considering the price difference getting 16G to future proof the machine is not such a stretch Mar 03 09:24:52 also, SSD is a must Mar 03 09:26:01 ty Mar 03 09:26:04 yeah i have a 5400 rpm drive :| Mar 03 09:26:16 * Mavrik hugs g00s. Mar 03 09:26:23 heh Mar 03 09:26:37 all the ram, as much as fits, 16G minimum Mar 03 09:26:40 I think we have to run a collection drive here for g00s hardware upgrades ;) Mar 03 09:26:44 do you devel on laptops? Mar 03 09:27:02 diegoviola, yeah, but getting one in good configuration is significantly more expensive :) Mar 03 09:27:40 diegoviola, only with monitors attached. I hate those small screens. make me far less productive to work on my laptop vs my dual monitor setup Mar 03 09:27:56 danijoo: yeah I feel the same way Mar 03 09:28:19 i dont use a laptop cause when i leave the office i dont want to take my work with me Mar 03 09:28:58 i use a laptop because i dont want to take a tower case with me on the airplane Mar 03 09:29:48 yeah, external monitor is a must Mar 03 09:30:04 but I like having the ability to not go to the office in the morning when I'm feeling lazy :P Mar 03 09:30:29 remote work ftw Mar 03 09:30:39 yup :) Mar 03 09:31:06 with source controls, work is always with you lemonxah Mar 03 09:31:06 ;) Mar 03 09:31:42 when should i use appcompat v4 or v7? Mar 03 09:31:43 Mavrik, i would end up never showing up again unless there are meetings, lol Mar 03 09:31:49 haha Mar 03 09:31:50 joroci, use the one you need Mar 03 09:32:03 they contain different stuff Mar 03 09:32:12 danijoo, I actually just rented an office in a coworking space since working at home was too annoying Mar 03 09:32:13 :) Mar 03 09:32:34 this is very true: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home :) Mar 03 09:32:38 oh Mar 03 09:32:41 i got confused Mar 03 09:32:43 Mavrik, I assume it makes more productive to work somewhere else tough Mar 03 09:33:09 yeah... also never underestimate the morale boost of listening to all the crap web developers have to go through Mar 03 09:33:15 makes Android dev looks awesome :P Mar 03 09:33:20 haha Mar 03 09:52:11 ok i shaved a few hundred mv from AS / gradle .. now maybe i can open an extra chrome tab or two Mar 03 09:52:15 *mb Mar 03 09:53:04 im always wondering what chrome does with my RAM. Mar 03 09:53:15 its hilarious how much RAM that browser needs Mar 03 09:53:52 i only used chrome because of flash, now seems flash is going away so time to go back to ff Mar 03 09:54:00 danijoo: they are all the same.. its just the nature of "the web" Mar 03 09:54:48 Napalm nah, i have chrome up with 5 tabs and its taking 600mb, chrome has 40 tabs and its taking 400mb Mar 03 09:54:53 Firefox isn't as bad. Mar 03 09:55:06 oops, FF has 40 tabs Mar 03 09:55:16 Though I opened Firefox for the first time in a while today and saw some new annoying toolbar icon. :/ Mar 03 09:55:20 Something about chatting with people. Mar 03 09:55:20 now, turn on adblock and it all goes to shit Mar 03 09:55:31 g00s: thats beacause chrome uses seperate processes for each Mar 03 09:55:40 Napalm ya Mar 03 09:57:07 From what I read you can make Google Chrome use only one process. I wonder how that'd affect memory use. Mar 03 09:57:15 I'm too lazy to try it right now. Mar 03 09:57:24