**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 30 02:59:59 2015 Mar 30 03:18:24 feathersanddown: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/package-summary.html Mar 30 03:20:24 what would the xml look like for the layout in the first image http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/maps-3-980x576.png Mar 30 03:20:40 a footer with the floating action button Mar 30 03:20:53 my mapview is taking up the whole screen Mar 30 03:37:57 bankai_: thanks :) Mar 30 03:43:18 hey Mar 30 03:43:38 is there a basic tutorial of overlaying a view on top of another in android app? Mar 30 03:43:47 like i want my android app to just overlay say a white screen over every screen Mar 30 03:43:52 interfering with other apps Mar 30 03:44:03 yeah and this is just for fun for myself, im not being mean and publishing it on teh store Mar 30 03:44:07 im still learning android :P Mar 30 03:44:17 razzledazzle, i've definitely run into that issue... calling getLoaderManager().destroyLoader(...) in onLoadFinished after it finishes works, but seems like a hack. Mar 30 03:44:25 is it SYSTEM_ALERT_WINDOW ? Mar 30 03:49:17 tejasmanohar, http://www.piwai.info/chatheads-basics/ seems to cover it Mar 30 03:49:48 taking a look Mar 30 03:57:56 Is all text Roboto by default? Mar 30 04:01:20 Anthaas: Assuming the phone is not rooted or running some ROM or a manufacturer hasn't changed it, yes the default font is Roboto on Honeycomb(?)+ Mar 30 04:01:33 Thanks Mar 30 04:06:24 JakeWharton were picasso / retrofit always just using maven - i thought they were gradle Mar 30 04:06:30 always Mar 30 04:07:18 thanks Mar 30 04:09:34 pfn: memorion: http://imgur.com/EQlWGYV Better? Mar 30 04:10:17 The facebook icon is a bit crappy in quality, Im looking into finding a decent one I can downscale rather than a tiny one that needed upscaling. Mar 30 04:13:12 <_genuser_> so this "maven central" thing. Mar 30 04:13:40 <_genuser_> anybody got a one liner description for it? or should I google and read about it? Mar 30 04:16:18 it's a central host of binary artifacts (i.e., jars) Mar 30 04:16:50 it allows you to consume libraries as jars without having to build them yourself or copy them around Mar 30 04:17:18 Also worth mentioning: jcentral and jitpack.io Mar 30 04:17:29 or Jake's Github page.... Mar 30 04:17:43 JakeWharton: While you are here... When created my own RequestHandler for Picasso do I need to do the work for resize and fitCenter myself? Mar 30 04:17:56 no Mar 30 04:18:32 so it resizes the bitmap after I return it? The bitmap can be large and I don't have to worry? Mar 30 04:18:48 <_genuser_> ah thanks guys. Mar 30 04:18:53 yes Mar 30 04:18:59 cool. just making sure. thanks Mar 30 04:19:01 although you'd do better returning an InputStream Mar 30 04:19:21 <_genuser_> so it's like a central lookup or actual host? you send your files there? Or you send them a downloadable location for your bins? Mar 30 04:19:21 Ah, I'm using some dev build of Picasso, need to update Mar 30 04:19:41 _genuser_: host Mar 30 04:20:17 you specify explicit coordinates to an artifact Mar 30 04:21:12 hiyas Mar 30 04:21:39 anyone know how to update hosts file without root permissio?? Mar 30 04:21:54 don't think that's possible Mar 30 04:22:21 oh Mar 30 04:23:28 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: ah, thanks. :) I think I'll start using maven central then. who has teh time to download and lug around jars. Mar 30 04:23:43 certainly not I Mar 30 04:23:58 sp one has to root the device to gain any decurity on the device? Mar 30 04:24:08 _genuser_ also, hard to get those past security (jars) Mar 30 04:24:25 <_genuser_> g00s: security? what type of security? Mar 30 04:24:28 or somebody might try to steal them, the whole ust / moths thing Mar 30 04:24:33 *rust Mar 30 04:24:42 _genuser_ lol, jk Mar 30 04:27:38 <_genuser_> g00s: well, I thought you were talking about taking files around via email/usb drives. Mar 30 04:28:01 <_genuser_> I've recently released debug version of a work project and couldn't mail it coz mailserver kept stripping out zip files. Mar 30 04:28:38 _genuser_ did you see there is a enterprise play store area now Mar 30 04:30:18 <_genuser_> g00s: oh, wth is that? (btw, my work app as .net so unrelated to android). Mar 30 04:30:56 https://support.google.com/a/answer/2494992?hl=en Mar 30 04:31:15 g00s: that's like two years old Mar 30 04:31:24 we've been using that to distribute our internal betas for about two years Mar 30 04:31:31 hmm. i just read something last week Mar 30 04:31:39 guess it was different Mar 30 04:31:49 or not :| Mar 30 04:32:10 <_genuser_> I just saw conceal and fresco from facebook. Mar 30 04:32:32 <_genuser_> running some benchmarks* spongycastle vs. conceal. (* just on galaxy s4) Mar 30 04:32:53 <_genuser_> they say fresco is like picasso only better. I'm thinking, my code is working fine, why break it. Mar 30 04:33:24 why add 2MB to your APK size as well? Mar 30 04:34:05 <_genuser_> I thought they claimed it was smaller than picasso. Mar 30 04:34:15 not even remotely close Mar 30 04:34:17 <_genuser_> no wait, sorry, it was conceal that was smaller than bouncycastle. Mar 30 04:34:40 <_genuser_> I'm happy with picasso and its not adding to the slowness of my images so I'm leaving it along. Mar 30 04:35:03 Picasso is 120K. Fresco is 2.3MB. Mar 30 04:35:03 <_genuser_> besides, I'd rather try out this new conceal thing to see just how much leeway it gives you. Mar 30 04:35:17 <_genuser_> are we still on 2.5.0? Mar 30 04:35:21 2.5.2 Mar 30 04:35:34 <_genuser_> ugh, if you keep updating it, I'll never move onto other aspects. Mar 30 04:35:47 <_genuser_> I'll be downloading and updating picasso related stuff in my code... Mar 30 04:36:01 there's nothing to update except the version number in your build file Mar 30 04:36:14 <_genuser_> I can see you're an AS user. :p Mar 30 04:36:25 <_genuser_> I should move my project to AS and use those gradle build files. Mar 30 04:36:35 Sadly, most Android developers are these days Mar 30 04:37:09 <_genuser_> as bloated as it is, I used it for a few hours and already felt irritated moving back to eclipse. AS's got a nice UI Mar 30 04:37:39 I feel the opposite, that much is probably a matter of taste. What's not is that Eclipse's incremental compiler is light years ahead of AS' Mar 30 04:37:40 even before Android Studio and Gradle we used a dependency manager Mar 30 04:37:59 Also, gradle is a good match for Android overall but quite slow Mar 30 04:38:07 What does a tilde in an ArrayAdapter type signature mean? Like new ArrayAdapter<~> Mar 30 04:38:25 it means the IDE elided the type because it's redundant Mar 30 04:38:28 wldcordeiro: I believe it's AS folding things Mar 30 04:38:37 in Java 7 and up it's not even needed Mar 30 04:38:38 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: can't argue about incremental build mgmt. I mean 30 seconds to build, really AS? Mar 30 04:38:55 Oh I wasn't aware that it was the IDE doing that! Mar 30 04:38:56 _genuser_: AS doesn't build, Gradle does Mar 30 04:39:17 * surf2b1 is still using Eclipse and ANT :O Mar 30 04:39:22 A simple Problems view that updates itself all the time on the entire project would be a huge improvement Mar 30 04:39:37 agreed, and the move to Gradle makes that a near impossibility Mar 30 04:39:44 yup :-( Mar 30 04:39:53 Well, it's not impossible Mar 30 04:40:00 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: understood. but since we all gotta move to it, I decided not to focus on teh negatives, etc. :) Mar 30 04:40:07 Just need a parallel native Android build, like Eclipse did with ecj Mar 30 04:40:07 <_genuser_> you're correct tho, it's gradle not AS Mar 30 04:40:14 * wldcordeiro excuses himself from this conversation... Mar 30 04:40:29 CedricBeust: that defeats the whole purpose of using Gradle–the unified builder Mar 30 04:40:48 JakeWharton: Not necessarily, build while developing is different from build to deploy and test Mar 30 04:41:11 doesn't need to do all the flavor/build type layering, just simple java compilation and resource generation Mar 30 04:41:11 what if I configured custom code generating tasks? or use AspectJ? Mar 30 04:41:16 it just needs to be a good approximation Mar 30 04:41:41 2 decimal places Mar 30 04:41:48 annotation processing needs to be part of that native build, obviously Mar 30 04:42:04 AspectJ... I'm not even going to touch that :) Mar 30 04:42:24 it doesn't matter what it is though Mar 30 04:42:34 Eclipse and Ant were so awful because it was a split-brain system Mar 30 04:42:50 you see that even today with importing Maven-based projects into IntelliJ IDEA Mar 30 04:42:55 Split brain works Mar 30 04:43:06 Again, there's a difference between compilation while developing and compilation to deploy and test Mar 30 04:43:06 it never works Mar 30 04:43:11 there shouldn't be Mar 30 04:43:59 There shouldn't be if both take the same time. They don't, so it's a necessity Mar 30 04:43:59 Another split brain that works is regular Java development Mar 30 04:43:59 it isn't Mar 30 04:43:59 Whether you use maven or gradle, while you develop, you just let your IDE build for you Mar 30 04:44:05 then when you're ready to push, you `mvn` or `gradle` justto make sure Mar 30 04:44:12 our Maven-based projects have struggled with that for forever Mar 30 04:44:30 why even bother with Maven or Gradle? Just invoke the IDE from the command line to build? Mar 30 04:44:57 Because your build might have additional checks that are required before you push, which you can skip while developing Mar 30 04:45:09 smoke tests, git hooks, ... Mar 30 04:45:19 <_genuser_> dagnabbit Mar 30 04:45:34 that doesn't justify the need for two systems Mar 30 04:45:43 <_genuser_> changed package named. but R files is autogenerated still in older package namespace. Mar 30 04:45:53 your so-called "development compilation" is just a task graph subset Mar 30 04:45:59 yes Mar 30 04:46:08 It's just the state of the art in IDE today Mar 30 04:46:20 You want an eldorado IDE that combines best of both worlds, be my guest! Mar 30 04:46:28 Eclipse came close to that Mar 30 04:46:33 Well, ADT Mar 30 04:46:41 but then android build complexity rose, so gradle had to be introduced Mar 30 04:47:27 So now we're back to one brain, but a very slow one Mar 30 04:47:54 i'd rather a slow, feature-full brain than a fast, featureless one Mar 30 04:47:56 speed can come Mar 30 04:48:30 2.4 reduces configuration time by 1/3rd Mar 30 04:48:46 Well, in the "make it work then make it fast", we can say AS has the first part covered. I'm not feeling too optimistic about part 2, though Mar 30 04:49:00 anyone around? Mar 30 04:49:07 ProLoser no Mar 30 04:49:18 there's certainly a limit to it Mar 30 04:49:27 https://floobits.com/ProLoser/Sandbox/file/app/src/main/java/com/proloser/spotifypractice/AlarmReceiver.java Mar 30 04:49:34 i'm getting a nullpointer error on line 13 Mar 30 04:49:39 CedricBeust yeah i would like better feedback in AS - too many times typing nonsense but no error markers, or error markers when there should not be Mar 30 04:49:52 it's not telling me which column though, is it not safe for me to assume intent is populated? Mar 30 04:50:06 g00s: Yes, feedback is another thing that gets my undies in a twist Mar 30 04:50:11 lack thereof* Mar 30 04:50:17 so the IDE and gradle really aren't on the same page anyhow Mar 30 04:50:21 <_genuser_> finally, phew, R file drama.... Mar 30 04:50:25 i mean big picture yeah Mar 30 04:50:45 R is a file? Mar 30 04:50:48 that R.id.whatever? Mar 30 04:51:17 So, when using aar's and you have multiple dependencies all fields in R.java get copied over to the project. Lets say you use 3 aar's that all use appcompat and have different package names. Wouldn't they all have a copy of the same field in 4 different R classes? That is why I'm still using ANT Mar 30 04:51:45 Also, on Windows, AS keeps signaling me in the task bar, and when I bring it to the front, it has nothing to tell me. Drives me cvrazy. Mar 30 04:52:22 CedricBeust thats not as bad as unfocusable windows on other desktops hehe Mar 30 04:52:32 i was hoping 1.2 fixed that but :( Mar 30 04:52:36 <_genuser_> wait, we don't have a file picker in android by default? we have to roll our own? or get 3rd party lib? Mar 30 04:52:39 CedricBeust: i have a few java applications that do on that on windows Mar 30 04:52:55 _genuser_: users don't care about file systems Mar 30 04:53:19 <_genuser_> JakeWharton: ah, so if needed we roll our own then. Mar 30 04:53:22 I don't have a process running, or paused or anything. It's just sitting on its thumbs. And he goes "Cedric, hi! I'm here! I have something important to tell you, click me!" Mar 30 04:53:41 I click and he goes "psych!" Mar 30 04:53:41 <_genuser_> kinda makes sense. I don't really browse the filesystem in most of my apps. Mar 30 04:53:57 CedricBeust that was me :) Mar 30 04:54:01 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: lol, sounds like it's playing with you. Mar 30 04:54:03 had you fooled all that time :D Mar 30 04:54:26 can anyone help me out? Mar 30 04:54:39 <_genuser_> ProLoser: ask your question. whoever can help will jump in. Mar 30 04:54:41 getting nullpointer error on line 13: https://floobits.com/ProLoser/Sandbox/file/app/src/main/java/com/proloser/spotifypractice/AlarmReceiver.java Mar 30 04:56:51 ProLoser: Looks straightfoward Mar 30 04:57:07 well is intent like... not something i can assume is present? Mar 30 04:57:20 ProLoser: why assume, put a breakpoint and inspect Mar 30 04:57:24 oh Mar 30 04:57:28 hmm i've yet to try that lol Mar 30 04:58:07 how do i reconnect the debugger to the phone without redeploying? Mar 30 04:58:39 <_genuser_> we can breakpoint and inspect?? Mar 30 04:59:19 ProLoser: You can attach to a running process Mar 30 04:59:48 both context and intent cannot be found Mar 30 04:59:58 unless i'm doing the watchers incorrectly Mar 30 05:00:01 I usually want to install the build on multiple devices, so I do this with a gradle target (AS doesn't seem to know how to do that), then I attach to the device I want to debug Mar 30 05:00:15 so I'm finding that after my onResume is called, my onCreate also gets called. Is there a way to prevent that? Mar 30 05:01:05 t0astt: onCreate should be first Mar 30 05:01:51 Hmm ok Mar 30 05:02:46 <_genuser_> in my simple apps, I just ignore onresume and do everythign in oncreate. Mar 30 05:02:58 <_genuser_> altho, I assume once I start writing "real" apps, I'd have to pay attention to it. Mar 30 05:03:34 any ideas why onReceive() is not getting arguments populated? Mar 30 05:08:04 why do you sometimes use .MainActivity in activity names and sometimes drop the .? Mar 30 05:15:23 ProLoser: You are probably talking about the AndroidManifest? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3608017/activity-name-in-androidmanifest-xml Mar 30 05:16:04 onReceive() in an Activity or BroadcastReceiver? Mar 30 05:16:25 broadcastreceiver Mar 30 05:16:32 i think i wasn't filtering it correctly, although it USED to work Mar 30 05:16:35 i'm tweaking the manifest Mar 30 05:18:00 actually Mar 30 05:18:03 now i'm just lost again Mar 30 05:18:33 should i give my alarm intent an action? or no? Mar 30 05:18:36 the docs don't mention it Mar 30 05:18:39 but i am confused Mar 30 05:19:05 the broadcast receiver shouldn't even receive an intent unless you specify some intent-filter in the manifest or code. You are trying to get ON_BOOT_COMPLETE to work? Mar 30 05:19:30 AND alarmmaanger Mar 30 05:19:36 look at setAlarm() in main activity Mar 30 05:20:32 i also though i read somewhere that i don't always have to listen to ON_BOOT to re-register my alarms Mar 30 05:21:39 https://developer.android.com/training/scheduling/alarms.html Mar 30 05:21:47 at the bottom i'm reading the last paragraph but i'm a little confused Mar 30 05:21:56 will this leave my app runnin in the background? do i really want that? Mar 30 05:21:58 why did you comment out setting the action? Mar 30 05:22:13 cuz according to the docs on that link there's no mention of setting an action Mar 30 05:22:20 i'm still like undecided of how i'm supposed to handle this Mar 30 05:22:26 you need to reset all your alarms on boot Mar 30 05:22:35 do i have an ON_BOOT receiver that sets the alarm? or do i take out the ON_BOOT stuff and use the programmatic method Mar 30 05:22:44 surf2b1: but read the last paragraph at the bottom of that docs Mar 30 05:23:13 or is that in conjunction with the ON_BOOT receiver? Mar 30 05:24:00 ProLoser: So, they are just saying don't have the boot receiver enabled by default until you set an alarm. So when you set the alarm add the code to check and enable the boot receiver. Mar 30 05:24:01 should i create a seperate receiver just for ON_BOOT and have it reset the alarms? or should I just reuse this one Mar 30 05:24:18 You don't have to, but you can Mar 30 05:24:36 add back the setAction to the intent too Mar 30 05:25:51 okay so with that i can now explicitly catch those 2 broadcasts Mar 30 05:26:06 i'm still a little confused on the ComponentName receiver ... part at the bottom of the docs Mar 30 05:27:10 So, to sum up what I think you need to do: 1) add the two actions to the intent-filter in the android manifest. 2) When you set the alarm, enable the broadcast receiver using the code found in the docs. 3) save the alarm stuff in a database or shared-prefs so on boot-complete you can re-create your alarms Mar 30 05:27:41 Hey all. I have some nested fragment action and the onCreateView() of the child fragment is not being called :/ Mar 30 05:28:08 surf2b1: db will come in my next pass Mar 30 05:28:12 for now i want to just get alarms working Mar 30 05:28:14 if you set enabled="false" for the receiver then it won't receive any broadcast events until you enable it using the package manager Mar 30 05:28:17 where does that component code go? Mar 30 05:28:19 tricknology any chance, mixing support and native ? Mar 30 05:28:25 ah Mar 30 05:28:26 could me.. Mar 30 05:28:27 gotcha Mar 30 05:28:27 be. Mar 30 05:28:41 will check, thx g00s Mar 30 05:28:55 should I just take i tout since it’s minsdk is > 14? Mar 30 05:29:01 (support) Mar 30 05:29:10 nested fragments is later Mar 30 05:29:36 like Android 4.2 Mar 30 05:30:09 surf2b1: do you think i should really bother disabling it? seems like ON_BOOT and custom actions are efficient enough, no? Mar 30 05:30:47 Android just wants you to disable it so it isn't sending a bunch of broadcasts to apps that don't need it. Mar 30 05:31:18 alright well once i get the db wired i'll start toggling it Mar 30 05:31:30 I would disable it, but you can get by with it always enabled. Mar 30 05:32:19 If you have a call like (ImageView)row.findViewById(R.id.icon); is the (ImageView) the return type? Mar 30 05:32:48 is it necessary to getContext in an activity? Mar 30 05:33:05 I kind of assume so since it's the right hand side of an assignment. Mar 30 05:33:51 wldcordeiro: findViewById(int) returns a View or null if the parent view doesn't contain a view with the specified id. (ImageView) is casting that view to the class ImageView which extends View Mar 30 05:34:00 wldcordeiro: it's casting the return value Mar 30 05:34:12 Ah thanks. Mar 30 05:34:17 <_genuser_> eh, waste of time trying to sort listfiles() while it was just missing uses-permissions... Mar 30 05:34:27 That's kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. Mar 30 05:36:55 ProLoser: you are probably talking about getPackageManager() in your MainActivity? You can remove context as it doesn't even exist. Mar 30 05:42:37 am i being stupid in swapping out references to context with references to 'this'? Mar 30 05:43:07 ProLoser would be good to learn java Mar 30 05:43:09 ProLoser: depends what this is Mar 30 05:43:18 ProLoser: probably, nobody really knows what context means Mar 30 05:43:23 just find one available and put it in Mar 30 05:43:32 ;) Mar 30 05:43:40 ProLoser: no, and you don't even need "this" since Activity implements ContextWrapper. Mar 30 05:44:06 surf2b1: okay that's what i've been gather, if i'm in an activity Mar 30 05:44:29 going to run my activity's server interactions in runnables on another thread with blocking url calls, and a weakref to the activity Mar 30 05:44:38 so i can write nice procedural code Mar 30 05:45:00 and have it tightly coupled to a specific activity Mar 30 05:46:11 fired Mar 30 05:46:55 <_genuser_> hmmm, eclipse doesn't recognize bufferedoutputstream.... Mar 30 05:48:18 err.. updated minsdk to 4.2 and got rid of supportFragment Mar 30 05:48:30 still, onViewCreated is not called Mar 30 05:48:51 tryign to add a few fragments to a parent fragment Mar 30 05:49:03 maybe that parent should be an activity? Mar 30 05:54:16 tricknology: You need getChildFragmentManager which is only supported if you use the support lib Mar 30 05:54:40 ah I see. well I upped the minsdk to 17, which did the trick Mar 30 05:54:44 well sort of Mar 30 05:55:09 I mean I guess I could go back to support.. but what really did the trick is something I’m going to have to look into.. Mar 30 05:56:08 tricknology could it be that you are using the wrong fragmentManager ? Mar 30 05:56:14 tricknology: ah, looks like they did add getChildFragmentManager in 17. Mar 30 05:56:37 * surf2b1 considers changing minSdk to 17 Mar 30 05:58:30 nah it wasnt that.. I have a method that is giveFocus(int resId); it gets uses a global parent view “gView” from that is set onViewCreated(int resId). the giveFocus() method does gView.findViewById(resId); Mar 30 05:58:35 NPE on gView Mar 30 06:03:16 does onCreateView and freinds run async by any chance? Mar 30 06:03:25 that would explain this weirdness Mar 30 06:04:06 all main thread things happen sequentially Mar 30 06:04:21 that’s what I thouhgt.. Mar 30 06:04:23 not async Mar 30 06:04:30 read the life cycle again Mar 30 06:04:53 on create view is before view created Mar 30 06:05:18 yes I know that Mar 30 06:05:44 I am commiting a fragment to fragment manager.. maybe it’s not being executed Mar 30 06:05:57 because a view that is suppoed to be in it is throwing NPE Mar 30 06:06:27 “Schedules a commit of this transaction. The commit does not happen immediately; it will be scheduled as work on the main thread to be done the next time that thread is ready.” Mar 30 06:06:30 is my problem : Mar 30 06:06:35 .commit() Mar 30 06:07:20 if I use executePendingTransactions() I get “java.lang.IllegalStateException: Recursive entry to executePendingTransactions" Mar 30 06:08:39 ah.. that was due to not using ChildFragmentManager Mar 30 06:08:42 thx guys Mar 30 06:09:14 <_genuser_> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com.facebook.crypto.Crypto Mar 30 06:09:28 <_genuser_> I beg to differ! it's in teh freaking build path and being exported with teh apk. what more does it want? Mar 30 06:10:00 _genuser_, read the dalvikvm messages prior to the exception Mar 30 06:12:07 <_genuser_> pfn: let me do that. dig in a bit more. Mar 30 06:12:38 hey Mar 30 06:12:49 i can't figure out why i'm getting a stupid nullpointer from the arguments of onReceive Mar 30 06:14:02 profligacy: Is the intent null? Mar 30 06:14:27 yes Mar 30 06:14:37 <_genuser_> very first line Could not find class 'com.facebook.crypto.Crypto' Mar 30 06:15:12 <_genuser_> pfn: ok, that's the very first line it spits out. I have the two jars from facebook exported out and linked in. compile time, it's finding them just fine. Mar 30 06:15:21 Hi, can anyone help me with a ScrollView not appearing -> http://pastebin.com/KsXJj9bG ? If I move the TextView right below HorizontalScrollView the text is there but is not scrollable. Mar 30 06:15:21 profligacy: Can't imagine why your receiver would be invoked if the intent is null Mar 30 06:16:08 adb was working just fine for days but now says "error: device not found" mtp is still working, I can browse, read and write files. Mar 30 06:16:28 adb is like that ;) Mar 30 06:16:56 <_genuser_> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=scb8MRQ5 Mar 30 06:17:00 <_genuser_> anybody got any ideas? Mar 30 06:17:18 adb is very fickle, especially on Mac and especially if you keep switching between the console and AS Mar 30 06:17:44 g00s, ya, well I'm not a Windows user anymore, so I am no longer accustomed things randomly working and not working for no apparent reason Mar 30 06:18:12 USB is much, much more robust on Windows than Mac Mar 30 06:18:56 i'm using adb over wifi, its ... a little better Mar 30 06:19:20 been thinking about trying that, tired of connecting/disconnecting and kill-server/restart all the time Mar 30 06:19:29 CedricBeust: #LinuxOnly Mar 30 06:19:30 g00s:how do i do wifi? Mar 30 06:19:37 Linux is probably the worst of all three Mar 30 06:19:44 heh Mar 30 06:20:14 zerothis what version of android ? Mar 30 06:21:06 anyhow http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html Mar 30 06:21:14 section "Wireless usage" Mar 30 06:21:33 although i thought on 5.x i saw dev option to enable w/o usb first Mar 30 06:21:34 android 4.4.2 Mar 30 06:21:48 ok, yeah you'll need to connect usb first Mar 30 06:22:00 and you will have to redo the setup each time you reboot your phone Mar 30 06:23:03 Well, to tell the truth, Google's really been p***ing me off with android. no longer install to SD, SD is no longer SD its external SD and there is no real internal SD, apps can't right to SD. Wiimotes not longer connect. It all seems to be designed to drive everyone to buy a new device every 6 months. Now they have Linux being incompatible with other Linux devices. Mar 30 06:23:03 CedricBeust whats annoying - you go to build, and then AS shows a dialog with no devices :| Mar 30 06:23:18 CedricBeust so then i go restart adb, and do another build :| Mar 30 06:23:49 ugh Mar 30 06:24:27 i must do that at least 5 times per day Mar 30 06:24:55 I wonder if in ten years from now, we'll look back at today and think "the nonsense we used to put up with uh" Mar 30 06:25:41 IS there any constraint on the traditional multiselect Dialog in showing number of items. I can see only 4 items at max and when I try to insert more than 4 it shows error as ArrayIndexOutofBound length=4;index=4 Mar 30 06:25:59 CedricBeust i don't think so ... in 2010 i'm sure i was optimistic about 2015 :| Mar 30 06:26:15 optimism has faded :) Mar 30 06:26:26 i was cursing adb in 2010 i'm sure of it Mar 30 06:26:27 CedricBeust: I looking the other way. Years ago it worked better and now I'm putting up with nonsense Mar 30 06:26:34 I was doing Java ME in 2005, I'm optimistic Mar 30 06:30:34 well, sleep beckons Mar 30 06:31:25 sleep also messes up adb haha Mar 30 06:42:50 ls Mar 30 06:44:51 <_genuser_> anybody got any ideas on how to debug this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WDCp5P5w Mar 30 06:45:26 <_genuser_> the jars are linked in properly, I'm sure. the .so file that goes in /libs folder, that I'm not sure if it's ok for it to be in a sub folder as in /lib/armabi/libconceal.so Mar 30 06:46:05 Maybe proguard changed the class name? Mar 30 06:46:25 <_genuser_> surf2b1: for my bug? Mar 30 06:46:29 yeah Mar 30 06:46:32 Note that it's a NoClassDefFound _genuser_ Mar 30 06:47:03 The class is there, it's just failing to load. This is usually caused by a static initializer failing Mar 30 06:47:15 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: typically, I see that when the defining .java/.jar is missing. but in this case, it's linked in. Mar 30 06:47:31 If you have the source, look for a static initializer in that class. It could try to load a native lib and failing, for example Mar 30 06:48:09 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: it has native libs included in the package. maybe I'm not including them in my apk properly. Mar 30 06:48:25 Sounds plausible, look at the source of Crypto Mar 30 06:48:55 <_genuser_> CedricBeust: it's a facebook lib so just a .jar file that I have. Mar 30 06:48:57 https://github.com/facebook/conceal/blob/master/java/com/facebook/crypto/Crypto.java#L49-56 Mar 30 06:49:06 <_genuser_> but they have released the code, I think, I could go into it. Mar 30 06:49:11 <_genuser_> or what he did there.. :) Mar 30 06:50:45 There are a few suspicious messages from Dalvik too, not quite sure how to interpret them Mar 30 06:51:07 Maybe the jar file containing that file is corrupt? (I'm not seeing any static initializer in it) Mar 30 06:51:45 <_genuser_> I'm starting to believe "put the .so files in libs.zip into your libs folder part is what I'm doing wrong" Mar 30 06:52:00 These go in jniLibs typically Mar 30 06:52:23 <_genuser_> however, the libs.zip has a armeabi/libconceal.so, armeabi-v7a/libconceal.so, x86/libconceal.so Mar 30 06:52:46 <_genuser_> so I figure, I copy the entire strucutre there and not the files. Mar 30 06:53:23 <_genuser_> I wonder if the AS/gradle would build it differently and the instructions are for that. Mar 30 06:54:22 looks like it's prebuilt http://facebook.github.io/conceal/documentation/ Mar 30 06:56:40 <_genuser_> surf2b1: yep, those are the ones, I downloaded and pulled in. :) Mar 30 06:57:36 <_genuser_> interesting to see a lib with native code. :) I'll read up a little more on how to use native code libs in eclipse. just to see if I'm pulling it in incorrectly. Mar 30 06:58:29 I am trying to fix this but it's still being thrown Calling startActivity() from outside of an Activity context requires the FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag. Is this really what you want? Mar 30 07:03:09 _genuser_: maybe this would help: http://stackoverflow.com/a/7951153/1048340 Mar 30 07:05:05 <_genuser_> surf2b1: thanks man. reading that one now. :) found a few other SO articles too. Mar 30 07:05:32 That's for Makefile though (the old way to build natives) Mar 30 07:07:03 <_genuser_> CedricBeust_: yeah, I think I just need to focus on the "include .so file in .apk" bit. Mar 30 07:07:56 Easy to test, add a static { System.loadLibrary("your.so") } Mar 30 07:07:57 <_genuser_> only ,if my 10,000 dollar 50mbps interwebs connection wasn't slow as a turtle. Mar 30 07:08:26 <_genuser_> right in the mainactivity? Mar 30 07:08:27 <_genuser_> I suppose. Mar 30 07:08:53 alarmmanager is driving me nuts, in what situations wont it fire? Mar 30 07:08:56 yeah Mar 30 07:09:49 <_genuser_> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Couldn't load libconceal.so Mar 30 07:09:51 <_genuser_> yep, that's it. Mar 30 07:09:53 asperon: you're messing with it too? Mar 30 07:13:28 yey. Gradle refresh failed. Error: Mar 30 07:13:41 got to love those error messages Mar 30 07:13:44 ProLoser, i have been for months, i just can't seem to understand why it doesn't fire at times. I am of good mind to just use an RTC_WAKE, even if i know that its wrong Mar 30 07:15:47 why is that wrong? Mar 30 07:15:52 i'd have to peak at your code Mar 30 07:16:03 do you launch activities from inside the broadcast? Mar 30 07:17:24 ProLoser, no, i used a broadcast before, i changed it over to a service to remove the risk of it getting killed, but it still hasn't solved the problem. It works for some users, sometimes, but its just not reliable, which drives me mad since it extremely hard to debug Mar 30 07:17:50 a service is more reliable than an alarm? Mar 30 07:18:19 ProLoser, a services started via the alarm, instead of a broadcastreciever Mar 30 07:19:15 ah Mar 30 07:19:18 i'm a little confused but okay Mar 30 07:19:59 You're not using a service ProLoser ? Mar 30 07:20:14 no, i'm using the broadcast receiver which i'm trying to use to fire an intent that launches an activity Mar 30 07:20:32 Try with a service that starts your activity Mar 30 07:20:38 ProLoser, if the brodcastreciver takes to long, android will kill it Mar 30 07:20:52 the service get to run as long as it wants Mar 30 07:20:55 all the receiver does is launch an activity, why would that take too long? Mar 30 07:21:07 ProLoser, it shouldn't ;) Mar 30 07:21:34 does the length of time that activity is active/open count towards the receiver/android's kill time? Mar 30 07:21:47 <_genuser_> CedricBeust_: ah, gotta do a System.loadLibrary("conceal"); without .so and without preceding lib. It's loading it now, so it's being deployed. Mar 30 07:21:55 <_genuser_> but it's still throwing classdefnotfound, lol. Mar 30 07:22:04 ProLoser, not that i know if, the activity should live on its own Mar 30 07:22:20 okay then i don't know that i need to bother with a service right now Mar 30 07:22:23 <_genuser_> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError darn classdefs Mar 30 07:22:25 i'm quite literally writing an alarm clock app Mar 30 07:26:02 hrm… Mar 30 07:26:33 <_genuser_> ProLoser: what are you writing this app for? Mar 30 07:26:44 <_genuser_> personal use, or some work project? Mar 30 07:27:13 personal use Mar 30 07:27:22 <_genuser_> just to learn? Mar 30 07:27:22 https://floobits.com/ProLoser/Sandbox/file/app/src/main/java/com/proloser/spotifypractice/AlarmReceiver.java Mar 30 07:27:29 yes, and because i want an app that does this Mar 30 07:27:45 totally forgot about bringToFront and it’s affect on LinearLayouts.. lol Mar 30 07:27:51 almost.. Mar 30 07:28:02 <_genuser_> ProLoser: nice. so this is going to play spotify at the alarm time? is that it? Mar 30 07:28:23 and ramp up the volume over like a half hour or hour, yes Mar 30 07:28:33 lets you play any of your playlists or a URI Mar 30 07:28:54 <_genuser_> ProLoser: lol, I remember I had written an alarm app in VB back in college. it had 3 options, beep, email, play cd. Mar 30 07:29:00 it will also announce the current time using TTS every 5 minutes Mar 30 07:29:28 <_genuser_> and which track on cd. I had put in a deep purple cd and would leave the speakers on full blast. 7am, it would play deep purple every day. Mar 30 07:29:45 anyway Mar 30 07:29:52 i get the error saying the flag isn't set Mar 30 07:30:15 java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start receiver com.proloser.spotifypractice.AlarmReceiver: android.util.AndroidRuntimeException: Calling startActivity() from outside of an Activity context requires the FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK flag. Is this really what you want? Mar 30 07:31:58 <_genuser_> did you try intent.setFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK); Mar 30 07:32:14 look in my main activity file with setAlarM() Mar 30 07:32:21 <_genuser_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3918517/calling-startactivity-from-outside-of-an-activity-context Mar 30 07:32:32 <_genuser_> oh, I hadn't looked in code. let's see what it says. Mar 30 07:32:49 <_genuser_> now, what's floobits? and is this a safe site? Mar 30 07:33:22 code sharing Mar 30 07:33:26 it's a live connection to my IDE Mar 30 07:33:44 <_genuser_> https://floobits.com/ProLoser/Sandbox/file/app/src/main/java/com/proloser/spotifypractice/AlarmReceiver.java Mar 30 07:33:52 <_genuser_> in that one, I don't see you setting that flag. Mar 30 07:33:56 look in mainactivity Mar 30 07:34:04 oh i set it inside there? not when i created the alarm? Mar 30 07:34:30 <_genuser_> startAlarm.addFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK); Mar 30 07:34:49 <_genuser_> before. context.startActivity(); Mar 30 07:34:53 <_genuser_> that would be my attempt. Mar 30 07:34:54 yup Mar 30 07:35:06 the nice thing about floobits is i don't have to keep giving you new gists Mar 30 07:35:36 it fucking worked Mar 30 07:35:37 thanks Mar 30 07:35:52 <_genuser_> so if you make any changes, it shows up? or do I have to refresh? Mar 30 07:36:00 no should be realtime Mar 30 07:36:03 go to the receiver file again Mar 30 07:36:24 <_genuser_> I did. doesn't show it,. Mar 30 07:36:29 <_genuser_> so anyway, it worked? Mar 30 07:36:34 yes Mar 30 07:36:44 <_genuser_> cool, then I don't have to worry about updating the view. :) Mar 30 07:36:54 view? Mar 30 07:36:55 right Mar 30 07:37:12 <_genuser_> my view (my webbrowser to see your code0. Mar 30 07:37:17 yup Mar 30 07:37:22 also lets you move around the filetree yourself Mar 30 07:37:28 and i can also share terminals too Mar 30 07:37:42 <_genuser_> nice. anyhoo, looks like you're on your way. good luck. Mar 30 07:37:55 <_genuser_> while I try to slay this facebook conceal monster Mar 30 07:38:23 conceal? Mar 30 07:38:56 <_genuser_> facebook released a few libs. conceal is for encrypting data that they store on teh SD card. Mar 30 07:39:04 ah Mar 30 07:39:10 i thought apps don't have sd access Mar 30 07:39:10 <_genuser_> uses AES-GCM they say with 128-bit key length. Mar 30 07:39:25 sounds secure Mar 30 07:39:27 what are you building? Mar 30 07:39:42 <_genuser_> you should be able to access the SD card. might have to list the permission in the manifest. Mar 30 07:39:57 <_genuser_> right now, I have a project where I'm encrypting documents using spongycastle. Mar 30 07:40:28 <_genuser_> aes/128-bit key length. takes 4.5seconds to encrypt a file on the main thread. 5.5seconds in an Intent service Mar 30 07:40:58 <_genuser_> they claim theirs is much much much faster than bouncycastle (spongy is an offshoot of bouncy). so I'm curious how it scales on my device. Mar 30 07:41:12 <_genuser_> gonna try to encrypt ton of work documents, word files, etc. PDFs. Mar 30 07:42:55 so does like no one actually use the new material theme built in? Mar 30 07:43:11 or are there some sort of polyfill libs? Mar 30 07:43:32 <_genuser_> lol, I'm just stick with holo light in most of my test projects. Mar 30 07:44:03 I use AppCompat v21. Material on 21+ and material-like on <21. Mar 30 07:44:21 but you have to run android5 right? Mar 30 07:44:25 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: appcompat 21 on AS? Mar 30 07:45:20 ProLoser: No. It works all the way back to API 7. Mar 30 07:45:28 _genuser_: The new AppCompat. Mar 30 07:45:39 how do i do that? Mar 30 07:45:41 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: how does one determine their version of appcompat? SDK mgr? Mar 30 07:45:55 g00s: have you seen the emails where someone offers to "tip" you primecoin for open source work? Mar 30 07:46:35 capella no ... i'd prefer dogecoin anyhow Mar 30 07:46:48 https://chris.banes.me/2014/10/17/appcompat-v21/ Mar 30 07:47:00 _genuser_: I just change a number in my app's build.gradle. Mar 30 07:47:12 The emails show up to moz contributors ... figured it was a scam somehow Mar 30 07:47:14 compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:21.0.3' Mar 30 07:48:21 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: but how does gradle know where it is? it pulls from your android-sdk folder? Mar 30 07:48:21 capella you're working for free on moz anyhow lol Mar 30 07:48:45 * g00s give capella 100 dogecoins Mar 30 07:48:49 Yeah, I think so. Mar 30 07:49:02 hehe - I do it for the chicks Mar 30 07:49:12 <_genuser_> 100 dogecoins are nothing. Mar 30 07:49:19 moz groupies Mar 30 07:49:40 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: nice. so material theme, does it just give you nice colors, etc? isn't most of material design just a recommendation? what do you do for UI elements? Mar 30 07:49:55 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: implement your own or get 3rd party libs for stuff like snackbar, etc? Mar 30 07:50:05 <_genuser_> capella: how's them moz chicks? Mar 30 07:50:09 gotta get your own snackbar Mar 30 07:50:21 I am trying to communicate the right way between an Adapter and Main Activity. The adapter is being used by Fragment A, and makes lists of buttons which will open Fragment B. Since opening Fragments is not the job of the adapter, I need to send the data to the Main Activity via interface coupling, but I am still trying to grok the right way to do it. Mar 30 07:50:24 My UI is pretty simple so far. For example, for error messages, I just show a TextView (which might later be coloured red or something). Mar 30 07:50:33 But I'd consider third-party libraries if needed to look "material". Mar 30 07:50:44 after i/o 2014 there was hope appcompat could really be something ... like google realized it was good to keep this up. well, that dissipated real quick Mar 30 07:51:37 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: so what do you really get with the appcompat 21? just the new theme colors? Or does it have any of the material design stuff implemented? Mar 30 07:51:56 _genuser_ most useful is toolbar Mar 30 07:52:09 so you have an appbar, actionbar, and toolbar now Mar 30 07:52:11 The link says a bit more, but you get a general material look. Mar 30 07:52:11 lol Mar 30 07:53:06 <_genuser_> g00s: honestly I thought they were all toolbars. but I can see how theyu might be slightly different. Mar 30 07:53:17 <_genuser_> g00s: so toolbar is actually implemented in appcompat? Mar 30 07:53:23 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: I think I missed the link.... Mar 30 07:53:23 yes Mar 30 07:53:29 https://chris.banes.me/2014/10/17/appcompat-v21/ Mar 30 07:53:44 <_genuser_> g00s: nice, I'll have to check out the toolbar. Mar 30 07:53:47 <_genuser_> TacticalJoke: thanks. reading. Mar 30 07:54:50 That feeling when rebasing 10 branches on top of a changeset that touches lots of files and getting no merge conflicts. Mar 30 07:55:03 <_genuser_> love how developers call everything a "pattern". Mar 30 07:55:26 <_genuser_> it can't just be a widget, new look you released. It's a "pattern" Mar 30 07:55:31 What weirds me out is that material is called a "design language". Wait, what? Mar 30 07:55:34 TacticalJoke i must say - i am in dismay that git gets merge conflicts on things which clearly don't look conflicting to me Mar 30 07:56:12 Yeah, I feel like that at times. In general, it'd be cool if diffing and merging were language-aware and way smarter. Mar 30 07:57:13 <_genuser_> I think things like "internet of things" and "patterns" are basically the new way to stay excited about doing more and more over the same tcp/ip packets. Mar 30 07:57:31 <_genuser_> you can't just connect things to the internet. So what if they're NAT'd and behind a router. Mar 30 07:57:52 The material-design guidelines are full of this kind of thing. Mar 30 07:57:55 It's a total hipster document. Mar 30 07:57:57 <_genuser_> now it's internet of things. "everythign has it's own IP". well when did everything not have an IP if it need to be on a network. Mar 30 07:58:23 <_genuser_> it's the same thing with the .io movement. Mar 30 07:58:41 <_genuser_> new app for telling your GF you love her. it's released on love.io Mar 30 08:00:00 in an activityie's oncreate how can i determmine if it was already running? Mar 30 08:00:20 One way is to see whether savedInstanceState is null. But why do you want to do this? Mar 30 08:00:42 somebody doesn't like reading the docs ;) Mar 30 08:00:43 <_genuser_> ProLoser: saveInstanceState bundle would be null the first time. and not null if resumed. I think. Mar 30 08:00:56 <_genuser_> oh, sorry he already said that. Mar 30 08:02:17 Hey, i have a few flavour builds, I want to set in gradle that the free version can be installed on external storage... but the installLocation attribute does not seem to be recognized Mar 30 08:02:22