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Nov 13 03:11:38 <thebag> I've searched Google but am unsure of up to date resources. Does anyone know where to find information for a beginner on creating lock screens and launchers?
Nov 13 03:45:06 <pfn> lock screens and launchers are not a beginner project
Nov 13 03:45:14 <pfn> if you want to create a launcher, start by modifying the aosp launcher
Nov 13 03:45:25 <pfn> g00s, how unfortunate, support saf anyway, and drive your users to upgrade
Nov 13 04:56:55 <boodllebat> hey
Nov 13 04:56:59 <boodllebat> Hello
Nov 13 05:35:15 <surf2b1> I've gotten two emails about a Google Merchant survey. The email looks legit but the URL doesn't. Here is the URL for the survey: https://googlesurvey.ipsosloyalty.com/Gtech/Page50.aspx
Nov 13 05:35:37 <surf2b1> Has anyone else gotten this? I looked up the company. I just doubt Google would be using them for a real survey.
Nov 13 05:36:08 <poutine> surf2b1, are you typing your credentials in? Who really cares about surveys anyways
Nov 13 05:36:47 <surf2b1> poutine, no. I didn't take it. I don't really care about them but I spam is annoying. Just wondering...
Nov 13 06:00:23 <CedricBeust> surf2b1: Please don't paste malware links here
Nov 13 06:00:52 <g00s> i got a malware wanting going to the androidplot downloads page
Nov 13 06:00:59 <g00s> s/wanting/warning
Nov 13 06:03:34 <surf2b1> so it's for sure malware? I guess I'll mark it as spam.
Nov 13 06:04:44 <canvs2321> here is not the place to do that research
Nov 13 06:08:15 <g00s> i say this every time new AS version is eminent; but i hope the next one is better than this one - 1.4 has been cursing me with the damn beachball on a daily basis
Nov 13 06:08:53 <surf2b1> canvs2321, okey dokey (╭ರ_⊙)
Nov 13 06:11:10 <gordon_> g00s: 1.4.1 works for me just fine
Nov 13 06:11:13 <gordon_> (on linux)
Nov 13 06:16:21 <g00s> gordon_ it has to do with adb somehow, this just started in 1.4 on mac. i have to keep killing adb, that gigantic piece of crap
Nov 13 06:20:49 <canvs2321> adb and android studio are seperate things, are both giving you grief independently?
Nov 13 06:21:16 <g00s> AS uses adb
Nov 13 06:21:26 <g00s> they work fine independently
Nov 13 06:22:13 <canvs2321> AS utilizes adb, if your adb binary is faulty it may affect users(AS)
Nov 13 06:23:07 <canvs2321> what version of adb are you using
Nov 13 06:23:13 <g00s> AS and adb work fine most of the time, just several times per day AS hangs and the only remedy seems to be to kill adb
Nov 13 06:23:16 <g00s> the newest
Nov 13 06:24:01 <g00s> once i kill adb, AS UI becomes unfrozen
Nov 13 06:24:34 <g00s> this is been a recent thing, i don't recall 1.3 ever doing this ;)
Nov 13 06:24:59 <g00s> *they did something on the ui thread" :P
Nov 13 06:27:29 <mbtamuli12> I want to use the Material Theme. So I set this "@android:style/Theme.Material.Light.DarkActionBar" as the parent of "AppTheme" in the res/values-v21/styles.xml
Nov 13 06:27:36 <mbtamuli12> So I have to set the MainActivity to extend the Activity class.
Nov 13 06:27:46 <mbtamuli12> Now for API<21, I want to use the AppCompatTheme. So I set this "Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar" as the parent of "AppTheme" in the res/values/styles.xml
Nov 13 06:27:51 <mbtamuli12> But then I have to set the MainActivity to extend the AppCompatActivity class instead and then it shows an error with the Material Theme
Nov 13 06:29:01 <orbyt_> well if you want to use an appcompat theme you need to use appcompatactivity...?
Nov 13 06:30:24 <g00s> hm i'll try ADB_TRACE
Nov 13 06:30:34 <pfn> mbtamuli12, just use appcompat theme for all
Nov 13 06:31:08 <mbtamuli12> pfn: That works.
Nov 13 06:31:35 <pfn> g00s, you need to get a non crappy computer
Nov 13 06:31:55 <pfn> I don't have problems with adb in Windows or mac
Nov 13 06:32:09 <mbtamuli12> pfn: But isn't AppCompat just a support library? Wouldn't it be better if we could use the actual Material Theme? Or are they same?
Nov 13 06:32:11 <g00s> yes indeed, but this just started with AS 1.4.x ...
Nov 13 06:32:20 <pfn> mbtamuli12, same
Nov 13 06:32:43 <mbtamuli12> pfn: Oh. Okay.
Nov 13 06:32:56 <mbtamuli12> pfn: Thanks
Nov 13 06:33:08 <pfn> g00s, I remember you complaining about this long before
Nov 13 06:33:21 <g00s> AS 1.4 has been out for a while :)
Nov 13 06:33:24 <pfn> issues with adb all the time
Nov 13 06:33:34 <g00s> oh yes but a lot of people have issues with adb
Nov 13 06:33:53 <pfn> not really
Nov 13 06:34:58 <gordon_> i dont
Nov 13 06:35:03 <mbtamuli12> I dont
Nov 13 06:35:24 <gordon_> my only problem is gradle being slow
Nov 13 06:36:24 <g00s> eh this might be it https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82425
Nov 13 06:38:42 <pfn> gordon_, already gave you solution to Gradle being slow
Nov 13 06:38:59 <gordon_> yes I know ;)
Nov 13 06:39:18 <gordon_> for now I'm looking at bazel, just because it's fun
Nov 13 06:39:45 <CedricBeust> You should look at Kobalt too :)
Nov 13 06:40:07 <pfn> ...
Nov 13 06:40:29 <pfn> but kobalt can't build android
Nov 13 06:40:34 <pfn> and why look at bazel...
Nov 13 06:40:42 <CedricBeust> It can, partially so far
Nov 13 06:41:06 <CedricBeust> http://beust.com/weblog/2015/11/04/the-kobalt-diaries-android/
Nov 13 06:44:23 <gordon_> pfn: it's nice, fast and isolated
Nov 13 06:44:30 <gordon_> got also support for many languages
Nov 13 06:45:00 <pfn> gordon_, it can't build android either
Nov 13 06:45:06 <pfn> it. can only do rudimentary
Nov 13 06:45:19 <gordon_> it can build android
Nov 13 06:45:40 <gordon_> at least it can for me
Nov 13 06:46:20 <pfn> it barely does android
Nov 13 06:46:25 <pfn> might as well use ant
Nov 13 06:46:43 <pfn> anyway, I give up on you :p
Nov 13 06:46:44 <gordon_> what do you mean by barely
Nov 13 06:46:46 <gordon_> haha
Nov 13 06:47:33 <pfn> by barely, I mean bazel builds android about as well as ant does
Nov 13 06:47:54 <gordon_> can ant downlod dependencies from maven ?
Nov 13 06:48:12 <pfn> bazel can't
Nov 13 06:48:24 <g00s> ant can if you use ivy
Nov 13 06:48:27 <gordon_> bazel can
Nov 13 06:48:33 <pfn> and yes, ant. can
Nov 13 06:48:37 <CedricBeust> Also, build flavors? Manifest merging?
Nov 13 06:48:48 <pfn> bazel does none of those
Nov 13 06:51:14 <gordon_> I think you can specify many android_binaries http://bazel.io/docs/tutorial/android-app.html
Nov 13 06:51:21 <gordon_> so you will get flavours
Nov 13 06:51:44 <gordon_> as for manifest, on this site you have two manifests - one for android_binary and one for android_library
Nov 13 06:51:49 <CedricBeust> flavors implies directory overlays
Nov 13 06:52:03 <CedricBeust> and manifest merging is much more flexible than two distinct manifests
Nov 13 06:52:44 <g00s> has anyone been playing around with gradle-ng ?
Nov 13 06:52:50 <pfn> yeah, that's practically no parts of the android build
Nov 13 06:53:06 <CedricBeust> g00s: Gradle-ng?
Nov 13 06:53:12 <pfn> just bare minimum
Nov 13 06:53:38 <g00s> CedricBeust whatever is supposed to come after 1.5.0 or 1.6.0, xav mentioned it at I/O
Nov 13 06:53:57 <gordon_> CedricBeust: directory overlays? Maybe I dont see a problem, but why dont specify different library dependencies and put them into folders like flavours
Nov 13 06:54:03 <g00s> CedricBeust http://tools.android.com/tech-docs/new-build-system/gradle-experimental
Nov 13 06:54:09 <gordon_> Maybe I dont see the whole picutre
Nov 13 06:54:11 <gordon_> *picture
Nov 13 06:54:46 <pfn> gordon_, you don't, that's why you think bazel implements all the features in Android builds
Nov 13 06:55:02 <pfn> it does as much as ant
Nov 13 06:55:06 <pfn> not much more
Nov 13 06:55:27 <CedricBeust> gordon_: Are you familiar with build variants? Types and flavors?
Nov 13 06:55:32 <gordon_> yes
Nov 13 06:55:42 <CedricBeust> They work with directory overlays
Nov 13 06:55:55 <CedricBeust> That's done before the compilation phase
Nov 13 06:56:20 <pfn> not quite
Nov 13 06:56:31 <pfn> they're just added to source paths
Nov 13 06:56:49 <CedricBeust> ... in a specific order
Nov 13 06:58:00 <CedricBeust> I don't believe they're added to the source paths by the way, they are all copied in a temporary directory in the order specified, for the overlay effect
Nov 13 06:58:06 <pfn> prepended
Nov 13 06:58:12 <pfn> and not really
Nov 13 06:58:30 <pfn> sources don't get copied, or they shouldn't, resources get merged though
Nov 13 06:59:55 <pfn> I don't recall seeing intermediates sources in gradle builds
Nov 13 07:00:28 <CedricBeust> I'm just speculating how it can be done, haven't looked at the implementation. There are various ways to obtain this effect
Nov 13 07:00:46 <pfn> basically just adding to source paths
Nov 13 07:01:31 <gordon_> but yes, that's true. bazel is not advanced now
Nov 13 07:02:01 <CedricBeust> The problem I see with bazel is twofold: it doesn't support Android well and it doesn't seem to be designed in a flexible enough fashion to
Nov 13 07:02:32 <pfn> bazel is just a toy for android builds at the moment
Nov 13 07:02:51 <gordon_> wonder if they will replace gradle with bazel in the future
Nov 13 07:02:58 <pfn> nope
Nov 13 07:03:00 <g00s> gradle-experimental is 0.4.0 - oh that brings back the memories of existing gradle-plugin 0.4.0 - will wait for stable :D
Nov 13 07:03:17 <gordon_> they plan for android-studio integration
Nov 13 07:04:12 <pfn> that's easy, write a plugin
Nov 13 07:04:17 <CedricBeust> As long as they don't get rid of Groovy, there's only so fast they can make gradle
Nov 13 07:04:17 <pfn> doesn't mean much
Nov 13 07:05:28 <pfn> CedricBeust, it's really not. the groovy processing that makes gradle slow
Nov 13 07:05:42 <pfn> it's all the auxiliary processing in Android builds
Nov 13 07:06:02 <CedricBeust> I don't think so, I'm seeing similar slowness in non android builds
Nov 13 07:06:10 <pfn> I find maven and gradle have very similar build times
Nov 13 07:06:15 <CedricBeust> multiple projects, reading multiple settings.gradle and incuding build files, etc...
Nov 13 07:07:22 <CedricBeust> Which is why I'm trying to start from a clean slate with kobalt
Nov 13 07:07:46 <g00s> klean slate
Nov 13 07:08:24 <pfn> only thing I like about gradle is that it has a somewhat reasonable tooling api
Nov 13 07:08:50 <CedricBeust> It works but it's very arcane and the plug-in architecture is... well, eight years old. We know better today.
Nov 13 07:09:48 <CedricBeust> I'm building Kobalt's plug-in architecture based on IDEA and Eclipse's own plug-in architecture, it's working pretty well so far
Nov 13 07:11:35 <gordon_> is it fast ?
Nov 13 07:11:39 <gordon_> ;)
Nov 13 07:12:00 <CedricBeust> gordon_: Did you read the blog post I linked above?
Nov 13 07:12:22 <pfn> CedricBeust, 5 seconds for a trivial build is hard to say is fast
Nov 13 07:12:26 <g00s> CedricBeust so you have an OSGi container already ? :P
Nov 13 07:12:32 <gordon_> oh, no
Nov 13 07:12:34 <CedricBeust> Well, gradle takes 30 seconds so I'd say it's encouraging
Nov 13 07:12:44 <gordon_> will take a look
Nov 13 07:12:50 <CedricBeust> http://beust.com/weblog/2015/11/04/the-kobalt-diaries-android/
Nov 13 07:13:06 <gordon_> nice, 4 sec
Nov 13 07:13:09 <pfn> CedricBeust, how complicated is your example project?
Nov 13 07:13:28 <CedricBeust> Simplest application you can compile
Nov 13 07:14:05 <CedricBeust> build flavors and manifest merging will add close to zero overhead to that
Nov 13 07:14:29 <CedricBeust> My goal is to build u2020, it will be a good example
Nov 13 07:14:38 <gordon_> true that
Nov 13 07:14:58 <gordon_> what about ndk ?
Nov 13 07:15:15 <suhas_sm> googleClient aint getting connected on Marshmallow :|
Nov 13 07:15:30 <suhas_sm> has anyone expeirenced this ?
Nov 13 07:15:36 <CedricBeust> ndk is a secondary goal but hoping to get there too eventually
Nov 13 07:15:57 <g00s> ndk seems to be secondary goal for everyone ... :)
Nov 13 07:16:10 <g00s> or tertiary, etc
Nov 13 07:16:11 <gordon_> unless it's needed :P
Nov 13 07:17:37 <pfn> https://gist.github.com/pfn/cb87676183d6a77bd4b3
Nov 13 07:17:43 <pfn> for a comparison
Nov 13 07:18:07 <CedricBeust> See, that's the kind of ballpark that's normal
Nov 13 07:18:11 <CedricBeust> gradle is just beyond help
Nov 13 07:18:33 <gordon_> pfn: with scala or without?
Nov 13 07:18:36 <CedricBeust> Even 5 seconds is long if you time each phase individually. aapt, dx and javac run in an instant
Nov 13 07:18:38 <g00s> is it gradle or is it jvm
Nov 13 07:18:46 <pfn> gordon_, most trivial possible app
Nov 13 07:19:05 <pfn> CedricBeust, dx is extremely long for large appa
Nov 13 07:19:31 <CedricBeust> That's fine, as long as the build tool adds very little to these incompressible delays. gradle completely fails at that
Nov 13 07:21:39 <g00s> CedricBeust have you benchmarked kobalt against gradle-experimental ?
Nov 13 07:21:51 <CedricBeust> No.
Nov 13 07:22:25 <CedricBeust> I would be very surprised if even gradle-experimental comes close to the times pfn and I have shown
Nov 13 07:29:31 <gordon_> guess I'm loosing
Nov 13 07:29:41 <gordon_> but ugh.. I got appcompat and support-v4
Nov 13 07:43:23 <suhas_sm> Intel_x86_Atom_System Image is right image selection OSX, right  ?
Nov 13 07:44:30 <gordon_> pfn: did you have something like plugin to sbt which could start with gradle project quickly /
Nov 13 07:44:40 <pfn> yes
Nov 13 07:44:53 <suhas_sm> What is required for sbt ?
Nov 13 07:44:57 <suhas_sm> requirement*
Nov 13 07:45:06 <suhas_sm> gradle is also a build tool, right ?
Nov 13 07:45:19 <gordon_> pfn: does it support kotlin ? (got kotlin project in gradle)
Nov 13 07:45:26 <pfn> yes
Nov 13 07:45:30 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/android-sdk-plugin/blob/master/GRADLE.md
Nov 13 07:45:45 <gordon_> thank you
Nov 13 07:46:02 <pfn> https://github.com/pfn/kotlin-plugin
Nov 13 08:04:10 <pfn> aww, my gradle. build plugin can't do u2020
Nov 13 08:04:44 <pfn> It doesn't grok doing flavorBuildtype source directories
Nov 13 08:05:22 <pfn> Maybe I'll have to hack it in
Nov 13 08:19:52 <orbyt_> why when now creating a new project, it creates a .DarkActionBar theme, but then does a NoActionBar theme and sets windowActionBar to false? http://prntscr.com/927oqy
Nov 13 08:20:09 <orbyt_> doesnt that make using the .DarkActionBar theme redundant?
Nov 13 08:21:16 <suhas_sm> Permissions will be enabled by default in Masrhmallow right ?
Nov 13 08:24:31 <danijoo> orbyt_, they want you to use your own Toolbar, set it as Actionbar and apply the DarkActionBar style to it.
Nov 13 08:25:40 <orbyt_> danijoo: well a toolbar is already created and set as actionbar by default. Im just saying, couldnt they do something like Light.NoActionBar, and then omit the rest of that style?
Nov 13 08:26:48 <danijoo> what rest ?  the "DarkActionBar" ?
Nov 13 08:27:39 <orbyt_> no the AppTheme.NoActionBar part
Nov 13 08:28:10 <danijoo> if you dont add NoActionbar, the system will display a default Actionbar for you, and you cant use a custom toolbar
Nov 13 08:28:23 <orbyt_> I know....
Nov 13 08:28:45 <danijoo> thats not what you usually want
Nov 13 08:28:53 <danijoo> because you cant do the fancy material things with that
Nov 13 08:28:58 <danijoo> like hiding it on scroll etc
Nov 13 08:29:00 <orbyt_> Again, im asking why use DarkActionBar, when it then uses .NoActionBar
Nov 13 08:29:16 <orbyt_> Instead of using .NoActionBar in the first place
Nov 13 08:29:35 <danijoo> because the DarkActionBar is then applied to the custom Toolbar
Nov 13 08:30:04 <danijoo> NoActionBar = "Dont show the default actionbar" + DarkActionBar = "If I add one myself, make it dark"
Nov 13 08:30:14 <danijoo> https://blog.xamarin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Themes.png
Nov 13 08:30:36 <danijoo> try to remove the DarkActionbar and see what happens :)
Nov 13 08:31:32 <orbyt_> Changing from Light.DarkActionBar to Light.NoActionBar results in the exact same thing. Thats my point
Nov 13 08:33:05 <danijoo> DarkActionBar should give you darker Toolbars if you apply the theme to them
Nov 13 08:35:09 <orbyt_> ah i had colors overriding it -.-. I see what your saying now
Nov 13 08:35:14 <orbyt_> ty
Nov 13 08:37:36 <danijoo> if you change the default colors, it indeed doesnt matter (beside it also changes the textcolor from black to white
Nov 13 08:38:21 <orbyt_> well thats what i was looking at, the text color, but it wasnt changing which was confusing me
Nov 13 09:02:01 <surf2b1> Anyone know of a library that will do some simple syntax highlighting for a TextView?
Nov 13 09:11:10 <zhangxaochen> should I use android-ndk x86 or x64?
Nov 13 09:32:03 <gordon_> Pfn does it work with crashlytics and stuff like that ?
Nov 13 09:39:41 <Rush2112> hey guys, I can't get my phone to be recognized in Eclipse as a device to build my application to. I have USB debugging enabled, and it's plugged in. It's a Samsung Galaxy S5. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Nov 13 09:47:16 <orbyt_> is SO down for anyone else?
Nov 13 09:47:30 <gordon_> Rush2112:  what's your OS
Nov 13 09:48:01 <Rush2112> Windows 8
Nov 13 09:48:22 <Rush2112> the device does show up on my computer, i just cant find it in eclipse
Nov 13 09:52:51 <vegetablesalad19> Rush2112, can you find it with "adb devices" ?
Nov 13 09:53:45 <Rush2112> where would i find adb devices at?
Nov 13 10:00:12 <canvs2321> Rush2112, what does your app do?
Nov 13 10:02:56 <Rush2112> it's just a thing for school where we have to build a tip calculator. i just cant get it to run on my phone since eclipse isnt picking up the device
Nov 13 10:04:07 <canvs2321> how have you been testing, using emulator?
Nov 13 10:04:48 <canvs2321> do you have usb debugging enabled on your device?
Nov 13 10:06:21 <Gaulois94> Hello
Nov 13 10:08:05 <Gaulois94> I'm wondering if the memory between the graphic card and the CPU is shared
Nov 13 10:08:22 <Gaulois94> I have a memory issue, and I want to know where I can look for it
Nov 13 10:08:53 <canvs2321> start with your code
Nov 13 10:11:07 <Rush2112> yes i have been using Genymotion for an emulator
Nov 13 10:11:12 <Rush2112> and yse i have usb debugging enabled
Nov 13 10:11:30 <canvs2321> do adb devices in command prompt
Nov 13 10:11:43 <gordon_> show adb devices output
Nov 13 10:12:07 <Rush2112> gordon_: where do i go to do that?
Nov 13 10:12:15 <canvs2321> command prompt
Nov 13 10:12:31 <gordon_> where do you have your sdk installed in ?
Nov 13 10:12:46 <Rush2112> i'm not really sure how to check that
Nov 13 10:13:36 <Rush2112> oh its in users/username
Nov 13 10:14:10 <Rush2112> what command do i need to actually input in command line? i dont use it often
Nov 13 10:14:19 <canvs2321> "adb devices"
Nov 13 10:14:25 <canvs2321> it'll list any devices it finds
Nov 13 10:14:36 <canvs2321> adb is the program, devices is the argument you are passing it
Nov 13 10:14:47 <Rush2112> "adb devices" is not recognized as an internal or external command
Nov 13 10:15:05 <canvs2321> no bueno, how did you install the sdk
Nov 13 10:15:18 <Rush2112> i dont remember
Nov 13 10:15:29 <Rush2112> im looking at my android sdk manager and im in the right directory
Nov 13 10:15:36 <canvs2321> you need to add the path of the sdk tools to the windows path, otherwise you'll need to run adb from the folder it is in
Nov 13 10:16:09 <Rush2112> i dont quite understand. i have my command prompt navigated to the correct directory. is there something else i have to do?
Nov 13 10:16:24 <canvs2321> you need to read "how to install and use android sdk"
Nov 13 10:16:46 <Rush2112> i have it installed, i know that. im looking at all the files
Nov 13 10:17:17 <Rush2112> i also have the android sdk manager program open
Nov 13 10:17:28 <canvs2321> show a screen shot
Nov 13 10:18:04 <canvs2321> of the failed adb devices with the dir of the cwd
Nov 13 10:18:10 <Rush2112> http://imgur.com/eA5KFlg
Nov 13 10:18:52 <canvs2321> you need to go into the platform-tools folder in the sdk
Nov 13 10:20:02 <Rush2112> ok, adb devices gives me a blank list of devices
Nov 13 10:20:12 <Rush2112> the phones plugged in and i have usb debugging enabled
Nov 13 10:20:21 <canvs2321> plus you are gonna need to add the sdk to your windows path, and make sure eclipse is pointed to your sdk folders and it can run adb
Nov 13 10:20:32 <Rush2112> the phone shows up in WINDOWS as Galaxy S5 as well
Nov 13 10:21:15 <canvs2321> what version of windows, and have you installed any drivers for your s5?
Nov 13 10:21:44 <Rush2112> ive already made sure eclipse is pointed to my sdk folders
Nov 13 10:21:45 <Rush2112> Windows 8
Nov 13 10:21:51 <Rush2112> and no but i think some installed automatically?
Nov 13 10:23:18 <canvs2321> you may need to install additional. not 100% though
Nov 13 10:23:19 <canvs2321> http://www.technobuzz.net/install-galaxy-s5-samsung-android-usb-drivers-pc/
Nov 13 10:24:54 <Rush2112> wow that looks incredibly sketchy
Nov 13 10:25:00 <canvs2321> have you unplugged the device and replugged since enabled usb debugging, or always been plugged in?
Nov 13 10:25:08 <Rush2112> yeah but ill do it again
Nov 13 10:25:43 <canvs2321> can always install the driver thing i believe koush released.
Nov 13 10:26:17 <canvs2321> when ever it does find your device you'll have to accept a rsa confirmation to allow your pc to use your device through adb
Nov 13 10:26:47 <Rush2112> ok like
Nov 13 10:26:48 <canvs2321> and different drivers are used for usb debugging and just having the s5 show up in explorer as a mass data storage device
Nov 13 10:26:49 <Rush2112> my computer recognizes the device
Nov 13 10:26:59 <Rush2112> it knows its a galaxy s5
Nov 13 10:27:02 <canvs2321> how
Nov 13 10:27:10 <canvs2321> like you can see the sdcard contents in explorer?
Nov 13 10:27:13 <Rush2112> yeah
Nov 13 10:27:17 <canvs2321> that isn't the same
Nov 13 10:27:38 <canvs2321> you'll have a different driver for usb debugging than the device showing in explorer
Nov 13 10:28:25 <canvs2321> you'll need to google setting up s5 for usb debugging on windows. there are just too many variables for me to try to decipher
Nov 13 10:29:43 <canvs2321> check out stuff like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24264562/adb-is-not-recognizing-my-device
Nov 13 10:30:23 <canvs2321> http://developer.samsung.com/technical-doc/view.do?v=T000000117 etc...
Nov 13 10:30:28 <Rush2112> im hunting for the drivers right now
Nov 13 10:30:31 <canvs2321> just gotta get the right driver to work with usb debugging
Nov 13 10:35:02 <Rush2112> awesome that fixed it
Nov 13 10:36:35 <canvs2321> cool
Nov 13 10:37:32 <racoonfox12> hello can anyone help me with this?
Nov 13 10:37:33 <racoonfox12> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33690777/unreachable-statement-on-android-studio
Nov 13 10:39:10 <canvs2321> racoonfox12, that   return; doesn't help
Nov 13 10:39:39 <canvs2321> it exits your method
Nov 13 10:40:58 <Rush2112> also a question. i cant really like edit the buttons in my xml file to be the right size or proportion i want; its really irritating but i can either make them be fucking huge or fucking tiny
Nov 13 10:42:05 <canvs2321> Rush2112, gotta learn layouts and how they each allow sizing, or you can use dimen.xml and have some "Xdp" values based on device buckets
Nov 13 11:02:35 <bolovanos> hithere
Nov 13 11:07:52 <bolovanos> What is the lowest API you are developing for?
Nov 13 11:08:52 <xcrimson> 4.0
Nov 13 11:24:31 <bolovanos> xcrimson, u mean API 14
Nov 13 11:25:21 <bolovanos> xcrimson, do you use compatibility classes? android.support.v4.app..., android.support.v7.app... ?
Nov 13 11:25:39 <bolovanos> or anybody else - do you use compatibility classes?
Nov 13 11:25:56 <canvs2321> yes people do, what is your question
Nov 13 11:29:03 <bolovanos> I am using them and my minSdkVersion is 16 - should I use them in such case?
Nov 13 11:43:58 <vegetablesalad19> bolovanos, won't hurt you
Nov 13 11:55:13 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, thank you for opinion - this is the way how you develop your app?
Nov 13 11:58:30 <ktwo> bolovanos your question is strange, what did you expect how should others know if you want to support lower phones or not, did you google for what compatibility classes are for?
Nov 13 11:58:40 <ktwo> should be pretty straightforward if you should use them or not
Nov 13 11:59:40 <vegetablesalad19> bolovanos, my app is API 9+
Nov 13 11:59:43 <vegetablesalad19> so yes
Nov 13 12:03:06 <bolovanos> ktwo, right now it is not about me, but common approach to app dev. As a "developer" what API should I aim. In my case I have minSdkVersion 16, but it is due to some animation I have used
Nov 13 12:04:28 <bolovanos> question is - what is common in 2015 to use as minSdkVersion, is it <= API 10, or >=15 (considering https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html?utm_source=ausdroid.net#Platform)
Nov 13 12:06:28 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, why that low? what API ver was out when you started developing this app? do you u use animation?
Nov 13 12:09:09 <eghdk> Using otto Whats the best thing to do in a case where the user leaves the activity, but I really need a method to be called by the eventbus. Or else they're stuck on that screen.
Nov 13 12:09:54 <xcrimson> use service
Nov 13 12:10:22 <xcrimson> activity is not guaranteed to persist after user leaves it
Nov 13 12:12:47 <eghdk> xcrimson: So I'm using a service, and when it's done it tells the activity via otto to put its progress bar away and show text on the screen.
Nov 13 12:13:40 <eghdk> so when the user leaves, idk. Should I just do a conditional in onResume to see if the service completed? (when the service completes it persists something in the db).
Nov 13 12:14:33 <xcrimson> seems ok to me. better than storing a special flag just for that.
Nov 13 12:15:13 <vol4ko> I have a web services developed and few apis. They use some advanced algorithms and etc. I want to make an android application based on those apis
Nov 13 12:15:19 <vol4ko> So, is it good idea to use those api? I know Android is not capable of such complex algorithms, etc.
Nov 13 12:15:25 <vol4ko> I was wondering to start getting the data in json format...
Nov 13 12:15:32 <vol4ko> Am i allowed to post such applications on the Google Play store?
Nov 13 12:15:38 <vol4ko> Such applications == applications that use external apis
Nov 13 12:15:42 <ktwo> bolovanos, it depends, probably 14 or 16~. If you're developing some high-end 3d game for example you might raise even higher since newer phones have new apis etc.. so its always a decision to make based on your app
Nov 13 12:16:10 <eghdk> xcrimson: Okay, I just wasn't sure if there was a good way to call back to an activity when it was in the background or something
Nov 13 12:16:59 <xcrimson> there is no good way for that. u just assume worst. that there is no activity at all.
Nov 13 12:17:00 <ktwo> also note if you're raising the api just for one specific call or feature, you can also check the api of the device in your code and enable it or do a fallback
Nov 13 12:18:13 <xcrimson> vol4ko so your app is basically is an interface for your online servic
Nov 13 12:18:14 <xcrimson> e
Nov 13 12:18:26 <xcrimson> donno why anyone would ban that
Nov 13 12:18:40 <xcrimson> but isn't it easier just to make an mobile friendly site?
Nov 13 12:19:09 <vegetablesalad19> bolovanos,  But really why not go as low as you can ? I have mobile payment app (City parking, train tickets, buss tickets, taxi), so we get couple thousand more users. In my case it is worth it
Nov 13 12:20:00 <vol4ko> i know but the implementation all my codebase in Java and complexity of the code i assume it would take at least 3-4 months. I can't be sure if that all can run smoothly on android
Nov 13 12:20:19 <vegetablesalad19> A lot of users are not tech savvy, and use older phones, and my app targets people who use public transportation
Nov 13 12:20:27 <vegetablesalad19> so we get more clients
Nov 13 12:21:05 <vegetablesalad19> If you have some app that targets generaly tech savvy (read young audiences) then perhaps it's not worth it
Nov 13 12:21:18 <vol4ko> xcrimson: So, this will be only a call to my server and the server will do that job and return just the results. Just internet connection limit here.
Nov 13 12:21:22 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, seems reasonable - what about animations
Nov 13 12:21:53 <xcrimson> vol4ko: nothing criminal here. a lot of apps use external API's and services just fine.
Nov 13 12:22:56 <vegetablesalad19> I don't use much animations, practicly only default "animateLayoutChanges" so thats api 11+
Nov 13 12:23:19 <vol4ko> that's good to hear. I am very new to Android. Thanks xcrimson
Nov 13 12:23:59 <vegetablesalad19> imo good UX > beautiful animations
Nov 13 12:25:52 <xcrimson> IMO beautiful animations can easily become annoying after X repeats.
Nov 13 12:27:49 <vegetablesalad19> exactly, I only use animateLayoutChanges and default animation for Activity, so that lets system decide what to do
Nov 13 12:28:23 <vegetablesalad19> and no hassle for me
Nov 13 12:31:06 <vegetablesalad19> bolovanos, so my advice is to leave "special" animations the last thing on your todo list. Just make smooth and intuitive UX
Nov 13 12:32:55 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, I have already implemented animation to my listview - but it uses some functions from API16 and thats why I had to rais API number
Nov 13 12:33:20 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, animation for removing items from listview
Nov 13 12:33:47 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, ktwo thank you for now guys!
Nov 13 12:35:08 <vegetablesalad19> imo it's not worth it to limit your api just for few special animations (you can disable them if it's < API16).
Nov 13 12:36:20 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, i have implemented delete on swipe - how would this disabling work in my case?
Nov 13 12:37:54 <vegetablesalad19> bolovanos, ok in that case bit harder. You could add X to delete on <API16, would take bit more work.
Nov 13 12:38:11 <vegetablesalad19> but anyway depends on if you want those <API16 users
Nov 13 12:38:46 <xcrimson> I probably would not even figured out that you can remove items by swiping.
Nov 13 12:40:20 <bolovanos> vegetablesalad19, first of all >=16 and than changes for others
Nov 13 12:41:06 <bolovanos> xcrimson, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCHNAi9kJI4
Nov 13 12:41:41 <xcrimson> ye. i've seen this.
Nov 13 12:41:48 <xcrimson> not convinced it is the way to go.
Nov 13 12:42:33 <xcrimson> Chet Haase is just an amazing UI programmer.
Nov 13 12:42:44 <xcrimson> think he just shows off a little here.
Nov 13 12:43:17 <bolovanos> I have implemented it, and will be probably changing it for something else - because it <censorship>
Nov 13 12:43:49 <bolovanos> it is causing more pain than utility
Nov 13 12:44:38 <bolovanos> 1) dirty display - unintentional removal (will delete affirmation)
Nov 13 12:45:41 <bolovanos> 2) that implementation he had shown is bad - deleting last item from list when all items are visible -> scrolling freeze
Nov 13 12:46:21 <bolovanos> those 2 points are very bad and that's why I have to reimplement it in later app version
Nov 13 12:48:00 <bolovanos> btw - until now - he did not replied to point 2 at all and it is 5 month I have asked him about his opinion
Nov 13 12:51:35 <rafagomes> hello everyone! Hope everyone is fine. I need some help to use custom fonts in an Android App, any articles or tips about that considering best practices?
Nov 13 12:52:59 <xcrimson> best practice is using system fonts
Nov 13 12:53:30 <xcrimson> otherwise u need to specify your custom font for every textview
Nov 13 12:53:35 <xcrimson> doable but bothersome
Nov 13 12:54:40 <rafagomes> xcrimson: Yes, but some app create personaly and respecting the client's brand has to change the fonts.. the performance doesn't change that much, right?
Nov 13 12:54:56 <xcrimson> it should not.
Nov 13 12:55:18 <xcrimson> fonts are rendered as bitmaps via openGL anyways.
Nov 13 12:55:58 <vegetablesalad19> rafagomes, this works well for me : https://github.com/chrisjenx/Calligraphy
Nov 13 12:56:22 <xcrimson> but best practice is using material design with brand colors/images.
Nov 13 12:56:40 <rafagomes> vegetablesalad19: Sorry man, I need some "native way"
Nov 13 12:57:35 <rafagomes> xcrimson: Unfortunately we can't win always :)
Nov 13 12:57:54 <rafagomes> xcrimson: do u think that covers? http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/customize-android-fonts--mobile-1601/
Nov 13 12:58:33 <rafagomes> I saw so many ways that I'm kind of lost in witch way is the best lol
Nov 13 12:58:42 <rafagomes> which**
Nov 13 12:59:41 <xcrimson> yes. setTypeface is a way I used with my client
Nov 13 13:00:20 <rafagomes> xcrimson: nice!!! Thank you so much...Let's get hands dirty than. Have a nice day/night
Nov 13 13:18:14 <ondroed> morning
Nov 13 13:19:24 <ondroed> i need to create custom button which on touch show three more buttons (views) near it. It must be animated. So what is the best way to do it?
Nov 13 13:35:08 <vegetablesalad19> ondroed, add all buttons, set visibilty:GONE to all of them, then show them inside onclick. Put buttons inside LinearLayout and add animateLayoutChanges for simple animation
Nov 13 13:35:23 <vegetablesalad19> just google everything step-by-step
Nov 13 13:35:35 <vegetablesalad19> pretty easy stuff
Nov 13 13:37:27 <yoavst>               java.lang.RuntimeException: Failed to resolve attribute at index 24 at android.content.res.TypedArray.getColor(TypedArray.java:401)  at android.content.res.XResources$XTypedArray.getColor(XResources.java:1028)
Nov 13 13:37:48 <yoavst> When trying to TextInputLayout.setError("text")
Nov 13 13:37:55 <ondroed> vegetablesalad19: thanks
Nov 13 13:40:06 <eghdk> any way to run traceview while not connected to a device?
Nov 13 13:41:13 <vegetablesalad19> yoavst, your error doesn't seem to match that line of code, plus it's your own custom class, so no way anyone could know what is under the hood
Nov 13 13:41:29 <yoavst> TextInputLayout is from design support library :)
Nov 13 13:42:26 <yoavst> Found the bug, was using android:theme instead of style.
Nov 13 13:42:54 <vegetablesalad19> yoavst, oh, indeed it is
Nov 13 13:43:24 <t2mkn> is it possible that two instances of a Service can run at a given time? Some times I am experiencing so. What can be the cause?
Nov 13 13:46:54 <xcrimson> sounds strange.
Nov 13 13:47:07 <xcrimson> mostly services are implemented as singletons
Nov 13 13:47:15 <t2mkn> yes
Nov 13 13:47:18 <xcrimson> singletons does not coexist
Nov 13 13:47:28 <xcrimson> system can restart ur service sometimes
Nov 13 13:47:47 <xcrimson> when it decides to
Nov 13 13:48:05 <vegetablesalad19> t2mkn, When you call startService only one service will be created at a given time. If the service already exists it will be reused. However, each time you call startService the code in onStartCommand() will be run no matter what.
Nov 13 13:48:05 <t2mkn> but restart should not make a new instance
Nov 13 13:48:23 <xcrimson> why?
Nov 13 13:48:26 <xcrimson> old one dies
Nov 13 13:48:49 <t2mkn> vegetablesalad19: yes thats right.
Nov 13 13:48:59 <vegetablesalad19> If you bind it to Activity lifecycle it will die with it
Nov 13 13:50:26 <vegetablesalad19> t2mkn, IntentService or Service ?
Nov 13 13:50:59 <t2mkn> Service only STICKY one
Nov 13 13:51:03 <t2mkn> ok consider one more option. if there is a listener added to service. now system restarts the service for any reasun. here the onDestroy should be called always. but say if its not called, and the listener exists. now again the listener got registered to service on onCreate. I hope the object should be garbagecollected earlier. but is this possible that it's not happening?
Nov 13 13:52:10 <t2mkn> i mean a sensor listener
Nov 13 13:53:36 <xcrimson> when u set new listener to ur service old one is free to be collected yes
Nov 13 13:54:08 <xcrimson> if they are binded to same variable of course.
Nov 13 13:56:00 <t2mkn> s = new Sensor() is their in onCreate. now if onDestroy is not called and s=null never happens. now if s= new Sensor() is called again in onCrate then can the sensor event gets fired 2 times here.
Nov 13 13:56:18 <t2mkn> note that "s" is not a static variable
Nov 13 13:57:35 <xcrimson> if it belongs to singleton it kind of acts almost like one
Nov 13 13:58:08 <t2mkn> the issue is not happening always. sometimes. I am unable to reproduce it with any specific steeps.
Nov 13 13:58:28 <xcrimson> which issue?
Nov 13 13:59:04 <t2mkn> multiple events in a service. or multiple instance of a single service.
Nov 13 14:01:27 <xcrimson> multiple event listeners?
Nov 13 14:01:42 <xcrimson> in a singleton, binded to the same variable?
Nov 13 14:02:04 <xcrimson> sounds like nonsense
Nov 13 14:02:38 <xcrimson> something is not true
Nov 13 14:02:45 <t2mkn> single listener like addListener(this). but its receiving multiple events on some unusal or unknow conditions.
Nov 13 14:04:12 <t2mkn> restarting the devices solves the issue. but restarting the service is not clearning it.
Nov 13 14:04:26 <xcrimson> whats wrong with receiving multiple events?
Nov 13 14:05:07 <t2mkn> one more thing. i just expeienced. if i stop the service, the service is still running in background. where as its not visible as running in Apps->Running activity.
Nov 13 14:06:36 <t2mkn> that means the event is not not multiple, the service instance is multiple. which should not happen in any condition.
Nov 13 14:07:07 <t2mkn> strange
Nov 13 14:07:48 <xcrimson> poorly implemented singleton?
Nov 13 14:08:26 <t2mkn> no
Nov 13 14:08:45 <t2mkn> no metter you define a service as singleton or not, it will be singleton right?
Nov 13 14:08:51 <xcrimson> no
Nov 13 14:08:53 <pfn> gordon_, crashlytics is a single resource entry
Nov 13 14:09:12 <xcrimson> you have to make it a singleton
Nov 13 14:09:28 <t2mkn> in Manifest right?
Nov 13 14:09:42 <SimonVT> Yes, a service is always a singleton
Nov 13 14:09:43 <xcrimson> in java
Nov 13 14:10:05 <SimonVT> And you will not have two instances of a Service running at the same time
Nov 13 14:11:23 <t2mkn> SimonVT: yes thats right. It should not happen. but it's happening sometimes.
Nov 13 14:11:54 <SimonVT> Nah, it doesn't
Nov 13 14:14:27 <t2mkn> i think i should go out for a drive :P after returning, I may find the issue. Need a break i guess.
Nov 13 14:20:48 <pfn> you have a reference leak
Nov 13 14:21:06 <pfn> not a problem of service not being singleton
Nov 13 14:46:36 <eghdk> How do I create an IntentService that just prints out a Log every 5 seconds? Should I just make an IntentService with a while(){Thread.sleep Log} or should I use a java Timer to go off every 5 seconds? Or alarm inside, or handler post delayed? I DO NOT want this on the UI thread Thats why I'm using IntentService
Nov 13 14:49:59 <pfn> wouldn't use intent service for a periodic task
Nov 13 14:50:13 <squirrel> eghdk: threads can get frozen during device sleep, but if that's ok, i'd go with a HandlerThread
Nov 13 14:50:50 <fer_> Hello everyone! I'm dealing with android/BLE (bluetooth Low Energy) since a couple of weeks now, and I'm having troubles with bluetooth stability. Had been testing in android 4.4.2, 4.4.4 and 5.1.1 (all on samsung galaxy tab devices)... Researching I found several issues (and workarounds), but I'm trying to find a current android/BLE wiki or list of known issues; just to know what I have to expect... does anyone here can give me a clue on this topic?
Nov 13 14:51:16 <eghdk> pfn and squirrel well let me explain it to you. It's not really periodic, it's mostly something that I need to run just every 5 seconds while my activity is up.
Nov 13 14:52:10 <Yotta92> eghdk, then there's no need for service or intent service.
Nov 13 14:52:16 <squirrel> HandlerThread + postDelayed
Nov 13 14:52:26 <pfn> eghdk, that's the definition of periodic
Nov 13 14:52:45 <eghdk> Yotta92: Well it has to work across all of my activities
Nov 13 14:53:59 <fer_> nobody dealing with BLE? :(
Nov 13 14:54:31 <pfn> I wish sensors were common, I can't find any ble devices. I. want to use
Nov 13 14:54:57 <eghdk> It's a task that I need working across all of my activities as a service. It has to be a service, but I'm not sure what to use in order to have it actually happen every X seconds.
Nov 13 14:56:01 <squirrel> it has to be a service, but it only is to do work when your “activity is up”?
Nov 13 14:57:15 <Yotta92> eghdk, I'd go for HandlerThread+Post delay or just timer task. Just make sure they run on separate thread. That's enough if you need something only while you app is on.
Nov 13 14:58:19 <eghdk> squirrel: While my activities are up. I can't do it in start and stop of my activities because those lifecycles overlap.
Nov 13 14:59:18 <eghdk> Yotta92: HandlerThread+Post in an Intent service? IntentService has it's own thread.
Nov 13 14:59:20 <squirrel> uh well then onResume/onPause?
Nov 13 14:59:59 <squirrel> use a regular service if you must
Nov 13 15:00:45 <Yotta92> eghdk, create your own thread when you start the app. And make callbacks to the activity that is currently on.
Nov 13 15:01:30 <Yotta92> Services are meant to perform tasks while your actual app is not running.
Nov 13 15:02:05 <Yotta92> eghdk, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21726055/android-loop-part-of-the-code-every-5-seconds
Nov 13 15:03:47 <eghdk> I'm stuck with using an IntentService, so I guess I'll try seeing whether a Timer Task or a Thread.sleep will be better.
Nov 13 15:04:07 <squirrel> k.
Nov 13 15:12:15 <danijoo> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377 << it only took them 1 year to finally fix this.
Nov 13 15:14:22 <SimonVT> And now we wait for samsung to accidentally add another class to the classpath
Nov 13 15:15:38 <Yotta92> danijoo, wasn't it actually Samsung's issue? They did something there. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Nov 13 15:15:46 <danijoo> Yotta92, yes.
Nov 13 15:16:12 <danijoo> SimonVT, https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=78377#c270 :)
Nov 13 15:16:50 <SimonVT> Wont necessarily be a support library
Nov 13 15:16:58 <SimonVT> Maybe okhttp or rxjava, that would be fun
Nov 13 15:17:10 <danijoo> SimonVT, they already messed up rxjava :D
Nov 13 15:17:24 <SimonVT> Oh?
Nov 13 15:17:27 <danijoo> let me find it...
Nov 13 15:17:33 <danijoo> g00s posted it yesterday
Nov 13 15:20:05 <danijoo> SimonVT, there you go: https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava/issues/3459
Nov 13 15:20:56 <pfn> danijoo, Samsung fault, and cts catches that now
Nov 13 15:21:10 <danijoo> pfn, yes. Its sad it has to be done this way
Nov 13 15:21:26 <SimonVT> Hah, amazing
Nov 13 15:21:32 <danijoo> but better than having this issue for another year until 4.x becomes irrelevant
Nov 13 15:25:43 <adq> lol, also https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=189614 except all wear device are OEM, no such thing as AOSP
Nov 13 15:37:15 <Zharf> danijoo, interestingly, we don't seem to have any crashes like that...
Nov 13 15:41:09 <danijoo> Zharf, maybe you proguard them out?
Nov 13 15:44:28 <pfn> which crashes? the appcompat or rx?
Nov 13 15:44:41 <Zharf> appcompat
Nov 13 15:44:43 <pfn> and it's amazing that samsung finds it necessary to change /everything/
Nov 13 15:45:04 <Zharf> danijoo, iirc we don't run proguard, but I'll have to check
Nov 13 15:45:05 <pfn> on appcompat 21-23.0 it doesn't crash if you proguard/obfuscate
Nov 13 15:45:15 <pfn> on 20 it won't crash at all
Nov 13 15:45:23 <pfn> on 23.1.0, it crashes even if you obfuscate
Nov 13 15:45:27 <pfn> and 23.1.1 allegedly fixes it
Nov 13 15:45:48 <pfn> I'm updating one of my client apps to 23.1.1 today
Nov 13 15:45:57 <pfn> I'm not excited
Nov 13 15:46:01 <pfn> since it always breaks shit...
Nov 13 15:46:06 <Zharf> we're using 22.something
Nov 13 15:46:21 <danijoo> Zharf, are you using toolbar at all?
Nov 13 15:46:39 <pfn> it crashes even if you don't use toolbar
Nov 13 15:46:39 <danijoo> I think it only happens if you use toolbar and set it as actionbar or something like that
Nov 13 15:46:41 <Zharf> actionbar, no toolbar
Nov 13 15:46:45 <danijoo> ah ok
Nov 13 15:46:47 <pfn> supportactionbar still crashes
Nov 13 15:46:52 <pfn> if you set menu items
Nov 13 15:46:53 <pfn> or something
Nov 13 15:46:59 <pfn> I don't use toolbar in our app, but it crashes
Nov 13 15:48:02 <pfn> other than casting getSupportActionBar to toolbar
Nov 13 15:52:51 <Zharf> does it depend on samsung's android version?
Nov 13 15:53:09 <danijoo> yeah it only happens for some samsungs on 4.1
Nov 13 15:53:14 <Zharf> we have very few prekitkat users
Nov 13 15:53:20 <danijoo> but also not all samsung models with 4.1
Nov 13 15:53:52 <Zharf> also our app is restricted to finland
Nov 13 15:54:14 <Zharf> device base might exclude those devices
Nov 13 15:54:59 <danijoo> when the bug occured first, it was too many devices
Nov 13 15:55:13 <danijoo> excluding them would have hit lots of users
Nov 13 15:55:36 <Zharf> I didn't mean that they would be excluded in google play
Nov 13 15:55:49 <Zharf> just that those devices might not exist at all in finland
Nov 13 15:56:08 <danijoo> ah yeah.
Nov 13 15:56:09 <danijoo> maybe :)
Nov 13 15:57:16 <Zharf> in our previous project I had to make a couple of samsung specific hacks to avoid crashes and incorrect behaviour
Nov 13 15:57:31 <pfn> Zharf, only happens on samsung 4.2.2
Nov 13 15:57:47 <pfn> Zharf, no other version
Nov 13 16:08:45 <blehblah> is there a way to know if an android.hardware.Camera is open, WITHOUT testing a method and trying for a RuntimeException ?
Nov 13 16:14:45 <Zharf> blehblah, if you successfully opened a Camera, it stays open for you until you unlock or release
Nov 13 16:14:56 <Zharf> but no, there's no way to tell, really
Nov 13 16:25:45 <rud0lf_> Hi
Nov 13 16:26:48 <rud0lf_> Recently I was watching a video on some topic of android dev. The tutor was showing the source code of phone and browser apps of android. How do I get that source code??
Nov 13 16:28:22 <danijoo> its in aosp
Nov 13 16:28:40 <missingno> https://android.googlesource.com/platform/
Nov 13 16:28:53 <missingno> hey look, an external/chromium
Nov 13 16:29:09 <missingno> packages/apps/Phone!
Nov 13 16:30:04 <rud0lf_> Ok..thanks a lot :)
Nov 13 16:53:52 <Gaulois94> Hello
Nov 13 16:54:02 <Gaulois94> When I have this kind of backtrace : http://pastebin.com/K7jNC2hG
Nov 13 16:54:16 <Gaulois94> Is it on GPU side or on CPU side the program has crashed ?
Nov 13 16:55:31 <Gaulois94> The full backtrace : http://pastebin.com/ZCT0Lp92
Nov 13 17:13:10 <blehblah> Zharf: sure. how about if someone else opened a camera and passed you a reference to the object?
Nov 13 17:14:01 <blehblah> You can wrap your WeakReference all over it but it won't mean squat
Nov 13 17:14:21 <blehblah> since the object doesn't get deleted in this specific case
Nov 13 17:16:13 <danijoo> someone else?
Nov 13 17:16:15 <danijoo> how?
Nov 13 17:28:15 <murosai> any recommendation for small but powerful android phones?
Nov 13 17:30:13 <missingno> z5c
Nov 13 17:45:57 <dzan> anyone ever tried linking ndk stuff statically with bionic or maybe even musl?
Nov 13 17:50:18 <Zharf> blehblah, not really a usecase it's designed for
Nov 13 17:54:48 <dzan> Zharf: if we'd only stick to intended use-cases... :P
Nov 13 18:11:14 <blehblah> Zharf: alright, thanks!
Nov 13 18:16:13 <horny-sama> how stable is it to install x86 version of android?
Nov 13 18:16:27 <horny-sama> and is it worth the effort?
Nov 13 18:19:58 <danijoo> horny-sama, use genymotion
Nov 13 18:20:06 <danijoo> its x86 with no effort
Nov 13 18:20:35 <horny-sama> have been reading up on http://developer.android.com but I am still a shit dev
Nov 13 18:22:26 <horny-sama> I have one quick question I want to develop for java 8 and android at the same time on a window machine but the issues is AS only supports up to 7
Nov 13 18:23:48 <s73v3r> yup
Nov 13 18:24:13 <s73v3r> you can have both Java 7 and Java 8 installed on your machine. And you can run AS with Java 8
Nov 13 18:25:45 <horny-sama> s73v3r: I thought AS only supports up to java 7
Nov 13 18:26:12 <horny-sama> Java Development Kit (JDK) 7
Nov 13 18:26:17 <horny-sama> https://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html#Requirements
Nov 13 18:28:10 <s73v3r> you can run it on Java 8, but it’s only going to use Java 7 to compile the code
Nov 13 18:28:55 <s73v3r> and Javas are backwards compatible
Nov 13 18:29:16 <rud0lf_> Hi
Nov 13 18:29:36 <s73v3r> however, are you wanting to just develop for both, in separate projects, or do both in the same project?
Nov 13 18:29:45 <rud0lf_> Why I am not able to see the gen folder. In the tutorial video, he has got that folder.
Nov 13 18:29:55 <rud0lf_> I am using android studio.
Nov 13 18:30:27 <s73v3r> 1, there are infinity billion tutorial videos out there
Nov 13 18:30:53 <s73v3r> 2, the generated folder is under the build folder, and probably won’t show up until after you’ve built
Nov 13 18:31:00 <TacticalJoke> rud0lf_:  You probably have the Android perspective, not the Project perspective, selected.
Nov 13 18:31:33 <s73v3r> that would also do it
Nov 13 18:32:11 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, I have done the built.
Nov 13 18:32:13 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I guess it could be a bunch of things.  Hard to make these guesses sometimes.
Nov 13 18:32:54 <s73v3r> what’re you looking for in the gen folder?
Nov 13 18:33:05 <rud0lf_> I wanted to look the R.java file.
Nov 13 18:33:05 <g00s> "As of API 21, GridLayout's distribution of excess space accomodates the principle of weigh" meeehhh, they probably should have put this in the support lib too
Nov 13 18:33:24 <s73v3r> and did your build finish successfully? or did it end with error?
Nov 13 18:33:49 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, No errors. I ran it in the emulator also.
Nov 13 18:33:55 <rud0lf_> It is working fine.
Nov 13 18:34:08 <s73v3r> ok. so what do you need in the gen folder?
Nov 13 18:34:59 <TacticalJoke> I want to figure out "grey 950" (from <https://www.google.com/design/spec/style/color.html#color-color-palette>).  Anyone know how?
Nov 13 18:35:15 <TacticalJoke> I've noticed that AppCompat has `material_blue_grey_950`, and I think an 850 one.
Nov 13 18:35:17 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, the R.java file. I wanted to have a look at all the references that are created there.
Nov 13 18:35:21 <TacticalJoke> Can't find a pattern at all.
Nov 13 18:35:35 <TacticalJoke> rud0lf_:  tselect "Project" where it says "
Nov 13 18:35:39 <TacticalJoke> Try selecting*
Nov 13 18:35:46 <TacticalJoke> where it says "Android" *
Nov 13 18:35:54 <s73v3r> if you’re on the Project perspective, should be under build/generated/source/r/
Nov 13 18:36:16 <overseer> Does port forwarding work in adb?
Nov 13 18:36:26 <rud0lf_> TacticalJoke, it is already in project perspective, I think. It is showing "Project" in the studio window.
Nov 13 18:36:39 <rud0lf_> Ah..got it.
Nov 13 18:36:49 <rud0lf_> Sorry...was looking at the wrong place.
Nov 13 18:36:54 <rud0lf_> Selected project now.
Nov 13 18:40:22 <rud0lf_> There is so much of text in my R.java :|
Nov 13 18:41:10 <s73v3r> that’s why it’s generated
Nov 13 18:41:21 <overseer> Does port forwarding work in adb?
Nov 13 18:41:55 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, is it normal to have resValues and rs inside build instead of R?
Nov 13 18:42:25 <s73v3r> the generated folder is full of voodoo black magic
Nov 13 18:42:56 <s73v3r> I have an R.java, I have a directory named rs
Nov 13 18:45:59 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, see my tree : http://tinypic.com/r/303gy7l/9
Nov 13 18:46:10 <s73v3r> it really doesn’t matter
Nov 13 18:46:12 <rud0lf_> The R.java file is somewhere else :|
Nov 13 18:46:47 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, so we have no use of that file?  I mean we never need to look into the file?
Nov 13 18:46:53 <s73v3r> no.
Nov 13 18:47:16 <s73v3r> it’s occasionally useful to look at it, but you should NEVER go trouncing around in it.
Nov 13 18:47:31 <s73v3r> the build system knows where it is, because it put it there.
Nov 13 18:47:45 <s73v3r> as long as the build system knows where it is, you’re fine
Nov 13 18:48:18 <rud0lf_> Ok...and I keep using findViewById()
Nov 13 18:48:21 <overseer> Does port forwarding work in adb?
Nov 13 18:48:35 <s73v3r> overseer: we clearly do not know
Nov 13 18:49:32 <rud0lf_> s73v3r, and I think the tutorial is outdated lol. A lot of things are changed in my android studio.
Nov 13 18:49:40 <s73v3r> it’s close enough
Nov 13 18:49:59 <rud0lf_> Yeah
Nov 13 18:52:33 <GrecKo> Hi guys, I'm trying to figure out how to get to the page of a bug referenced in the gerrit of aosp
Nov 13 18:52:37 <GrecKo> like this one https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/175863/
Nov 13 18:52:51 <GrecKo> the link to the bug doesn't point to a valid url
Nov 13 18:59:07 <overseer> It doesn't work
Nov 13 18:59:46 <SimonVT> Google has an internal bug tracker, that's probably what it points to
Nov 13 19:00:32 <overseer> It opens a port but it isn't forwarding.
Nov 13 19:02:36 <chars6> android studio - how do i reload a file from its saved version?
Nov 13 19:02:45 <chars6> just, get rid of all changes since last save
Nov 13 19:03:25 <overseer> Simonvt looks like they broke it.
Nov 13 19:03:39 <SimonVT> How so?
Nov 13 19:03:43 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  It saves all the time.
Nov 13 19:03:57 <TacticalJoke> But you can go to the Local History thing.
Nov 13 19:04:10 <TacticalJoke> Personally, I just use version control for that stuff (`hg rev -aC` reverts everything).
Nov 13 19:04:20 <chars6> TacticalJoke: where is local history?
Nov 13 19:05:14 <chars6> i installed ideavim too, the vimish plugin, but i don't see any settings for it
Nov 13 19:05:25 <TacticalJoke> Try right-clicking the file in the list on the left (or right-clicking the editor) and choosing Local History > Show History.
Nov 13 19:05:36 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  Honestly, though, it's better to use version control.
Nov 13 19:06:01 <wordsToLiveBy> chars6 if your last time updating git was before this session of using android studio, just update from git
Nov 13 19:06:19 * wordsToLiveBy low fives TacticalJoke 
Nov 13 19:06:44 <chars6> hmm, local history is kinda cool, gives me a diff
Nov 13 19:07:18 <chars6> i use git, i just rely on reverting to a staged, but unocmmited file a lot normally
Nov 13 19:07:47 <hamsterr> git is a sham
Nov 13 19:07:48 <chars6> ideavim seems to be missing vim modes
Nov 13 19:07:55 <eghdk> How do I make sure an IntentService doesn't get started again if it's currently running? Like I start it, I may call to start it again, but when I start it again, I don't want it to be queued up if it's running currently.
Nov 13 19:07:58 <wordsToLiveBy> hamsterr huh?
Nov 13 19:08:09 <TacticalJoke> hamsterr:  Mercurial mas
Nov 13 19:08:10 <chars6> i want to be able to click the screen and not have the cursor move
Nov 13 19:08:12 <hamsterr> with an ever booming tech community git is a tool, its not about open source and sharing
Nov 13 19:08:13 <TacticalJoke> master race*
Nov 13 19:08:17 <TacticalJoke> My gawd, this keyboard.
Nov 13 19:08:22 <hamsterr> its about having ur code easily usuable
Nov 13 19:08:24 <hamsterr> to resell
Nov 13 19:08:34 <chars6> i want editing and command modes
Nov 13 19:08:36 <hamsterr> sham
Nov 13 19:08:38 <SimonVT> eghdk: Sounds like you want to just use a regular Service
Nov 13 19:08:48 <SimonVT> And ignore onStartCommand
Nov 13 19:10:12 <eghdk> Okay, what's the best way to have something run every 5 seconds in a service then...? Using java timer/timertask? I don't want to run on ui thread.
Nov 13 19:10:25 <SimonVT> So start a Thread
Nov 13 19:10:44 <SimonVT> You're allowed to handle threads yourself, you don't have to use IntentService/AsyncTask/whatever
Nov 13 19:11:36 <chars6> writing a line and then typing :w is so automatic i do it in notes, emails, etc
Nov 13 19:12:03 <eghdk> SimonVT: Would I just do a while(shouldIStop) Thread.sleep(5000) //do my thing?
Nov 13 19:13:03 <TacticalJoke> chars6:  I broke free from vim years ago.  It was like getting out of a bad relationship.
Nov 13 19:13:08 <SimonVT> Sure, that would loop every 5 seconds
Nov 13 19:15:31 <overseer> Simonvt it is broke.
Nov 13 19:16:44 <eghdk> SimonVT: Cool. I guess I was overthinking it. Thanks man
Nov 13 19:16:50 <Ashiren> i would use some stopwatch, using sleep() is imo ugly
Nov 13 19:18:43 <SimonVT> Another simple solution would be a HandlerThread and postDelayer
Nov 13 19:20:24 <nebiros> somebody knows how to add an Observable when I add an element to a List?
Nov 13 19:21:12 <overseer> Simonvt it looks like they broke it with no warning.
Nov 13 19:21:36 <overseer> No manual. No documentation.
Nov 13 19:21:43 <SimonVT> "Just a heads up, next week we're going to break <whatever it is that's broke>"
Nov 13 19:22:19 <overseer> They keep adfing beast ports.
Nov 13 19:22:52 <overseer> Checked the firmware it has version three sixs.
Nov 13 19:23:31 <overseer> And the loop mtu has an arbitrary value ending in 36.
Nov 13 19:23:39 <canvs2321> ah, overseer = guardian-project = troll.
Nov 13 19:24:24 <eghdk> SimonVT: I think I might go for HandlerThread. Any opinion on that vs Thread.sleep()?
Nov 13 19:24:25 <overseer> No not really trolling.
Nov 13 19:24:32 <canvs2321> everytime
Nov 13 19:24:45 <SimonVT> Just use the right thing for the job
Nov 13 19:24:47 <overseer> You don't know much about fishing.
Nov 13 19:25:14 <overseer> Trolling is slow and relaxed.
Nov 13 19:25:34 <eghdk> SimonVT: Well both things work for this job it seems. So I don't know if one is better than another.
Nov 13 19:25:47 <overseer> This is murder warning.
Nov 13 19:26:01 <SimonVT> So use whatever is easiest
Nov 13 19:26:05 <overseer> Nothing slow and relaxed.
Nov 13 19:27:55 <eghdk> SimonVT: will do. thanks
Nov 13 19:28:06 <overseer> As soon as I mention where to get sim chips they sell out in less than a wesk.
Nov 13 19:34:46 <overseer> Week.
Nov 13 19:35:34 <overseer> Avoid going into public they only argue.
Nov 13 19:38:55 <overseer> They don't comprehend domain.
Nov 13 19:39:13 <SimonVT> overseer: Try #android-offtopic for your random messages
Nov 13 19:39:51 <overseer> It isn't random.
Nov 13 19:40:14 <SimonVT> Ok, for your offtopic messages
Nov 13 19:40:25 <overseer> You play with garbage simonvt so you can experience the idiocy of what is going on.
Nov 13 19:42:42 <SimonVT> Yeah, no idea what you're on about. If you have any questions about app dev, feel free to stay. Otherwise there are probably better channels for you to be in
Nov 13 19:43:29 <overseer> Simonvt marxism is a bunch of bugs.
Nov 13 19:43:45 <overseer> Chasing free money.
Nov 13 19:44:03 <overseer> Simonvt are you a marxist?
Nov 13 19:44:29 <s73v3r> permanent or temp ban?
Nov 13 19:44:31 <liuwenhao> Wow... what an asshat -.-
Nov 13 19:44:52 <SimonVT> Undecided
Nov 13 19:45:15 <SimonVT> What would you have it be?
Nov 13 19:46:02 <liuwenhao> People like that ruin IRC channels... it's better without him
Nov 13 19:46:42 <SimonVT> pfn: chanserv says I'm not authorized to akick :(
Nov 13 19:48:00 <g00s> i recall that garbage statement - overseer must be a bot
Nov 13 19:49:16 <Ahraz> Hey guys, I want to detect when a punch is thrown with a device in hand. What would be the best way to go about doing this? Just some general directions
Nov 13 19:49:18 <squirrel> is using accountmanager for password stuff more secure than simply storing password in shared preferenes? if so, how?
Nov 13 19:49:39 <g00s> accountmanager apis are so .. wtf
Nov 13 19:49:51 <Ahraz> Would a simple measure of velocity work?
Nov 13 19:49:52 <squirrel> they are :/
Nov 13 19:50:14 <Ahraz> Are accelerometers accurate enough?
Nov 13 19:51:34 <squirrel> i mean, while you usually don't have access neither to accountmanager nor sharedpreferences files, you can alaways modify the app to, say, just print the password into logcat
Nov 13 19:51:52 <s73v3r> Ahraz: Yeah. We used it on one app a while back
Nov 13 19:52:16 <pfn> SimonVT, that's weird, you should have that with chanop
Nov 13 19:52:27 <pfn> SimonVT, I guess it's a separate permission
Nov 13 19:52:47 <s73v3r> basically, you’re looking for a sudden burst of movement in one axis
Nov 13 19:52:55 <SimonVT> Yeah, there's like 10 different flags you can have
Nov 13 19:53:21 <s73v3r> meh. leave it temp for now. if he comes back, we can figure out what to do
Nov 13 20:17:04 <yoavst> I'm looking for a way to store data I get as a json from server. The data is read all in, with no filtering. Should I store this as json file, or do you have a database to suggest?
Nov 13 20:18:03 <s73v3r> the built in sqlite database is fine. Realm is pretty awesome, too
Nov 13 20:18:24 <s73v3r> i don’t know if i would store it as raw json, though
Nov 13 20:18:29 <SimonVT> Make sure you actually need what real databases provide
Nov 13 20:18:41 <yoavst> I've used realm before, it is nice. But isn't it overkill for that? I'm not sure I need database.
Nov 13 20:18:50 <SimonVT> If there's no real downside to storing it as plain json, do that
Nov 13 20:19:04 <yoavst> There are no advance queries in this case.
Nov 13 20:19:29 <yoavst> just refresh -> write data. loading -> read all data.
Nov 13 20:19:36 <s73v3r> start with the built in stuff, then
Nov 13 20:19:46 <SimonVT> Yeah, just do json then
Nov 13 20:20:09 <alexfu> what the hell is play-services-measurement ?
Nov 13 20:20:28 <g00s> thats how you measure things with chickens
Nov 13 20:20:35 <yoavst> the json I get come with extra data I don't need (some fields I ignore). Should I parse the json to remove them, or save it as is?
Nov 13 20:21:15 <alexfu> just got an error about "could not find com.google.android.gms:play-services-measurment"
Nov 13 20:21:31 <TacticalJoke> IntelliJ's spell checking is really useful.
Nov 13 20:21:32 <SimonVT> I assume you use a library like gson, so just omit the fields you don't need
Nov 13 20:21:33 <TacticalJoke> Said nobody ever.
Nov 13 20:21:49 <SimonVT> And save the resulting object afterwards
Nov 13 20:22:07 <yoavst> So I should parse and then serialize?
Nov 13 20:22:08 <g00s> yoavst there are so many ways to skin this cat ...
Nov 13 20:23:02 <SimonVT> I mean, you don't have to
Nov 13 20:23:10 <SimonVT> Either way works
Nov 13 20:27:02 <TacticalJoke> <https://www.google.com/design/spec/style/color.html> suggests using opacity values for text.  However, I've found that using the "grey" values (with 100% opacity) works well in various cases.  Am I committing a faux pas if I use the grey values rather than white/black with opacity?
Nov 13 20:27:54 <TacticalJoke> For text, I mean.
Nov 13 20:31:51 <g00s> TacticalJoke sure, i guess if the text is over a colored background
Nov 13 20:32:05 <g00s> like the account switcher in the nav drawer, the bg bleeds through
Nov 13 20:32:08 <alexfu> is there a changelog for the play services libs?
Nov 13 20:32:11 <TacticalJoke> Ah, yeah, good point.
Nov 13 20:32:30 <g00s> alexfu yeah "fixed bugs"
Nov 13 20:32:51 <g00s> other than the announcement itself :)
Nov 13 20:35:14 <g00s> so is AS 15 based on ... intellij 15 :)
Nov 13 20:35:33 <g00s> if so i guess that means i can use jvm 8 to run it with subpixel AA now
Nov 13 20:36:03 <canvs2321>  http://tools.android.com/build/studio/idea-tags
Nov 13 20:36:16 <canvs2321> just a quick google, didn't vet it all yet :)
Nov 13 20:36:23 <TacticalJoke> Where did you read that it was based on IntelliJ 15?
Nov 13 20:36:32 <TacticalJoke> I wasn't expecting IJ 15 support for a long time. ;o
Nov 13 20:37:21 <g00s> thats a handy page, hm
Nov 13 20:37:58 <canvs2321> 14.1.4 	2015-06-19 12:05:36 MSK 	141.1532.4
Nov 13 20:38:08 <canvs2321> 141.1532.4 	2015-06-19 12:05:36 MSK 	141.1532.4
Nov 13 20:38:52 <g00s> hm, crap oh well
Nov 13 20:39:29 <asparagui> whee
Nov 13 20:39:36 <canvs2321> stinky i'm guessin
Nov 13 20:39:46 <asparagui> anybody familiar with notifications + google cloud messaging?
Nov 13 20:40:05 <canvs2321> some probably are, you have any specific questions/issues
Nov 13 20:40:15 <asparagui> i've got them being sent to my device
Nov 13 20:40:25 <canvs2321> coo
Nov 13 20:40:26 <g00s> TacticalJoke IJ 15 had that no-latency typing --- which i'm really looking forward to :D
Nov 13 20:40:30 <asparagui> but when i click on them it won't launch the app
Nov 13 20:40:40 <asparagui> i feel like there's something with the manifests + intents i'm not understanding
Nov 13 20:40:55 <canvs2321> show some code if you can with intents
Nov 13 20:41:10 <alexfu> have you guys run into this execption "java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.google.android.gms.measurement.AppMeasurementContentProvider" after updating the tools gradle plugin?
Nov 13 20:41:34 <g00s> alexfu what version are you using ?
Nov 13 20:41:52 <chars6> am i supposed to use match_parent or fill_parent ?
Nov 13 20:42:10 <g00s> chars6 thats pretty googleable
Nov 13 20:42:11 <TacticalJoke> `match_parent`
Nov 13 20:42:12 <canvs2321> alexfu, this similiar? https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=189221
Nov 13 20:42:25 <alexfu> g00s: updated to 1.5.0-beta1
Nov 13 20:42:37 <g00s> alexfu isn't 1.5.0 final out ?
Nov 13 20:42:49 <g00s> yeah they fixed that
Nov 13 20:42:58 <squirrel> no-latency typing huh?
Nov 13 20:43:16 <alexfu> g00s: is it?
Nov 13 20:43:42 <alexfu> of the tools plugin? or the play services plugin?
Nov 13 20:44:40 <alexfu> i really do hate using proguard
Nov 13 20:44:44 <g00s> plugin has been 1.5.0, not sure about 'google-services plugin' ... what is that?
Nov 13 20:47:18 <g00s> never heard of this before https://bintray.com/android/android-tools/com.google.gms.google-services/view
Nov 13 20:47:26 <g00s> why does play services have anything to do with tools
Nov 13 20:48:55 <alexfu> it honestly causes more trouble than it's worth. maybe there's a bigger picture i'm not seeing but i think it's kinda pointless
Nov 13 20:50:38 <alexfu> g00s: from my experience so far, it allows you to use things like Google Analytics without having to do the boiler plate setting up of things like tracker id or stuff like that
Nov 13 20:51:07 <squirrel> what's wrong with proguard
Nov 13 20:51:59 <pfn> g00s, probably to automatically insert google_play_services_version into manifest
Nov 13 20:54:26 <astroduck> Is it a possible/good idea to use abstarct class of an interface in case a listener has many methods and in most cases user might want to use only one of those methods? How common is it to do this?
Nov 13 20:55:48 <TacticalJoke> You mean "instead of an interface"?
Nov 13 21:00:49 <astroduck> TacticalJoke: yes, oops
Nov 13 21:01:55 <xintron> Playing around with the NavigationView (drawer) and wondering if there's an easy way to set gravity to one of the menu-groups within (I want one to have layout bottom and the main one to be from the top)?
Nov 13 21:02:21 <TacticalJoke> I'm not sure it's a great idea in general because only one can be extended (while multiple interfaces can be implemented).
Nov 13 21:02:37 <TacticalJoke> A lot of people like to use some existing class for a listener implementation.
Nov 13 21:04:43 <TacticalJoke> only one class*
Nov 13 21:05:21 <Iarfen> Hi!!
Nov 13 21:05:43 <canvs2321> you a cop?
Nov 13 21:05:45 <Iarfen> What is the best emulator for Android development? My I'm using Genymotion
Nov 13 21:06:03 <canvs2321> Is genymotion working for you?
Nov 13 21:06:12 <jareddlc> hey guys, I have my app in the play store, but its not available for tablets to download, my guess is becuase i have permission phone. Is there a way to make it available to android devices without phone?
Nov 13 21:06:57 <canvs2321> jareddlc, maybe set the flag that says the permission isn't required
Nov 13 21:07:23 <Iarfen> canvs2321: today it's not, then I go here to ask
Nov 13 21:07:43 <jareddlc> canvs2321: let me look it up
Nov 13 21:07:46 <Iarfen> canvs2321: which other emulator is good
Nov 13 21:08:09 <canvs2321> larfen, no physical devices to use? emulators that use x86 and HAXM i've seen suggested
Nov 13 21:08:38 <alexfu> g00s: are announcements for new tools plugin versions posted somewhere?
Nov 13 21:08:46 <jareddlc> canvs2321: i dont see any flag: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/permission-element.html
Nov 13 21:08:59 <Iarfen> canvs2321: Me I have a phone that is not compatible. Searching for an emulator. Have AMD then HAXM is giving problems
Nov 13 21:09:25 <g00s> on tools.android.com but sometimes out of date
Nov 13 21:09:31 <TacticalJoke> Iarfen:  What is wrong with Genymotion?
Nov 13 21:09:31 <alexfu> i would have expected http://developer.android.com/tools/revisions/gradle-plugin.html to have it but it doesnt :(
Nov 13 21:09:32 <g00s> alexfu ^^
Nov 13 21:09:33 <jareddlc> canvs2321: nvm found it, wrong one
Nov 13 21:10:00 <Iarfen> TacticalJoke: The plugin doesn't appear on the repository to be installed
Nov 13 21:10:07 <alexfu> g00s: yeah, it still on 1.5.0-beta1
Nov 13 21:10:15 <alexfu> according to the site
Nov 13 21:10:22 <canvs2321> ?
Nov 13 21:10:58 <TacticalJoke> What plugin?  And you said above that you were using Genymotion before; what changed?
Nov 13 21:10:58 <canvs2321> jareddlc, i was about to retract my statement, cuz i was guessin, and thought maybe it was the uses-features that had the required flag
Nov 13 21:11:00 <canvs2321> did you get it
Nov 13 21:11:09 <jareddlc> canvs2321: i linked to wrong article correct article was uses-permissiions which ways android:required="false"
Nov 13 21:11:13 <Iarfen> TacticalJoke: that now I can configure it good, don't know why
Nov 13 21:11:15 <canvs2321> ignore that "?" damn keyboard
Nov 13 21:11:18 <jareddlc> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-permission-element.html big side menu :)
Nov 13 21:12:20 <jareddlc> now to look how the uses-feature works
Nov 13 21:13:06 <canvs2321> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7882955/android-permission-call-phone-for-tablets
Nov 13 21:13:15 <jareddlc> so seems like my permissions are untouched but just add: <uses-feature android:name="android.hardware.telephony" android:required="false"/>
Nov 13 21:13:26 <canvs2321> si
Nov 13 21:13:50 <canvs2321> and make sure the code that uses the phone permission isn't executed on tablets or crash, unless you catch it
Nov 13 21:13:59 <jareddlc> thank you sir, yep
Nov 13 21:14:04 <canvs2321> :)
Nov 13 21:14:33 <jareddlc> anyone here has experience with pandora android app?
Nov 13 21:14:47 <jareddlc> i just added spotify support by using intents, but no luck with pandora
Nov 13 21:16:36 <alexfu> jareddlc: Pandora doesn't necessarily have to support "external" intents
Nov 13 21:17:13 <jareddlc> alexfu: correct, im just wondering if anyone has experience. I see some apps on the play store that claim to control it via widgets
Nov 13 21:17:23 <jareddlc> wasnt sure how they were doing it
Nov 13 21:18:07 <canvs2321> possible reflection from reversing pandora or finding the classes etc
Nov 13 21:19:17 <jareddlc> thanks canvs2321 is that legal?
Nov 13 21:19:39 <canvs2321> depends, but i'd say if pandora isn't releasing any kind of api i'd say no haha
Nov 13 21:19:40 <jareddlc> if i decompile an apk to look how it works, and if i find the class
Nov 13 21:19:50 <canvs2321> gets touchy
Nov 13 21:21:12 <canvs2321> can maybe read logcat/dmesg or whatnot to see what intents are being broadcasted when using pandora, then research their availability
Nov 13 21:22:52 <jareddlc> hmm dmesg?
Nov 13 21:22:55 <jareddlc> im familiar with logcat
Nov 13 21:23:16 <canvs2321> it's been awhile, i thought i remember a logging system you could read that showed intent actions
Nov 13 21:23:22 <canvs2321> dmesg maybe incorrect
Nov 13 21:23:45 <canvs2321> usually logcat shows most though
Nov 13 21:25:25 <canvs2321> but again, if they aren't providing a public list of what you can do, you are gonna have to hack something
Nov 13 21:26:19 <jareddlc> yup, thanks
Nov 13 21:26:28 <jareddlc> thanks again
Nov 13 21:26:28 <canvs2321> gl :)
Nov 13 21:26:31 <jareddlc> back to working on it
Nov 13 21:50:48 <racoonfox12> hello
Nov 13 21:50:54 <racoonfox12> can anyone help me again?
Nov 13 21:51:07 <Ashiren> :o
Nov 13 21:53:03 <astroduck> I hope google adds rippledrawable to appcompat soon
Nov 13 21:53:17 <TacticalJoke> I nominate d-skull to help (name randomly picked).
Nov 13 21:53:35 <astroduck> I second that^
Nov 13 21:55:42 <TacticalJoke> We could do a Russian Roulette thing: every now and then, somebody has to answer an Android-dev question correctly or be banned.
Nov 13 21:56:54 <canvs2321> racoonfox12, it's always best to have your question prepared and to the point, so you can just shoot it at the channel, and those that can, will
Nov 13 21:57:33 <s73v3r> yeah. racoonfox12, just ask the question. don’t bother asking if anyone can help
Nov 13 21:57:49 <canvs2321> if they don't, don't feel bad, irc isn't usually so immediate. can just check back and while waiting keep researching google/so/etc...
Nov 13 21:57:51 <s73v3r> if someone knows the answer, they’ll say something. if no one knows, then no one will answer
Nov 13 22:02:04 <chars6> i cannot figure out how to change my app's theme
Nov 13 22:02:12 <canvs2321> manifests
Nov 13 22:02:18 <chars6> my manifest and styles.xml are here http://pastebin.com/L7dKg01H
Nov 13 22:02:41 <canvs2321> change on the fly, or change upon updates?
Nov 13 22:02:44 <chars6> but whatever i change the theme to my app crashes in the emulator
Nov 13 22:02:53 <canvs2321> show the crash
Nov 13 22:03:36 <racoonfox12> guys can you help me again?
Nov 13 22:03:39 <racoonfox12> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33690777/unreachable-statement-on-android-studio/33702488#33702488
Nov 13 22:04:03 <s73v3r> chars6: How are you changing it?
Nov 13 22:04:06 <racoonfox12> it still give me an error for bindinglist, it say there aren't length
Nov 13 22:04:13 <canvs2321> racoonfox12, index out of bounds, fix that
Nov 13 22:04:30 <racoonfox12> canvs2321 : how?
Nov 13 22:04:39 <canvs2321> of list is empty, and you are trying to access index 0, it'll fail
Nov 13 22:04:47 <canvs2321> so fix the list, or check it for empty
Nov 13 22:04:57 <canvs2321> of list = if list
Nov 13 22:05:12 <chars6> s73v3r: first i was trying to change it in the manifest (line 11), then i started trying to change the parent theme in styles.xml (line 2)
Nov 13 22:05:17 <TacticalJoke> racoonfox12:  It's bad form to ask two questions in one SO question.
Nov 13 22:05:17 <canvs2321> index 0 of a list assumes the list has atleast a size of 1
Nov 13 22:05:17 <chars6> line 28*
Nov 13 22:05:32 <canvs2321> and i agree with TacticalJoke
Nov 13 22:05:33 <TacticalJoke> And to ask a question in comments.
Nov 13 22:05:56 <s73v3r> chars6: What are you trying to change?
Nov 13 22:06:10 <asparagui> zomg it started working
Nov 13 22:06:12 <asparagui> hmmmmmmm
Nov 13 22:06:18 <racoonfox12> oke i'm trying it
Nov 13 22:06:28 <chars6> s73v3r: I want to use a different theme. I was thinking Manifest, but i can't change from the default
Nov 13 22:06:40 <s73v3r> do you have the theme created?
Nov 13 22:07:03 <chars6> s73v3r: i was trying to look for a list of themes online to compare too, but didn't find much
Nov 13 22:07:14 <eghdk> never implemented search before. I have a List<Message>, each Message has .getText(). How would I make this searchable. I know android has search views or something, but I'm fairly certain I can't hook into that stuff with just a List<Message>
Nov 13 22:07:25 <s73v3r> chars6: There really isn’t one
Nov 13 22:07:37 <chars6> s73v3r: no, do i have to install it somehow? how is that done? there are a few premade ones to choose from, right?
Nov 13 22:07:43 <s73v3r> nope
Nov 13 22:07:46 <s73v3r> you have to create it yourself
Nov 13 22:08:24 <chars6> s73v3r: then what is Holo.Dark, Holo.Light, etc?
Nov 13 22:08:32 <s73v3r> those are base themes
Nov 13 22:08:42 <s73v3r> are you trying to extend one of those?
Nov 13 22:08:44 <chars6> s73v3r: yes, how do I apply those
Nov 13 22:09:27 <s73v3r> in your style, you’d have AppTheme extend Theme.Holo.Dark
Nov 13 22:09:36 <s73v3r> although I’d have to advise against using Holo themes
Nov 13 22:10:27 <s73v3r> you might have to look at the item attributes you’re using, to make sure those exist in the theme you’re extending
Nov 13 22:11:02 <duboisj> s73v3r: do you just not like holo themes or you think they are too common, or is there some functional problem with them?
Nov 13 22:11:10 <s73v3r> they’re outdated
Nov 13 22:12:08 <chars6> s73v3r: do I extend a base theme in styles.xml?
Nov 13 22:12:24 <s73v3r> yup
Nov 13 22:12:43 <chars6> s73v3r: what is the syntax? i guess that's really what my question boils down to
Nov 13 22:12:50 <s73v3r> it’s already there
Nov 13 22:13:04 <s73v3r> you have it, you just need to change the theme it’s extending
Nov 13 22:13:48 <chars6> s73v3r: yeah, but whever i change "<style name="AppTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar">" the app crashes
Nov 13 22:13:56 <s73v3r> how?
Nov 13 22:14:00 <s73v3r> and what are you changing it to?
Nov 13 22:14:11 <s73v3r> saying “It crashes” is never helpful
Nov 13 22:15:06 <chars6> s73v3r: the portion of that line: parent="stuff" is what i need to change, right?
Nov 13 22:15:30 <s73v3r> yes
Nov 13 22:17:33 <grekkos> I'm trying to unit test a class which is calling getApplicationContext() on a Context object that I'm passing into it. the test fails with NPE on the getApplicationContext() call, is it not possible to test with application context? Do I need to refactor the code?
Nov 13 22:17:53 <s73v3r> depends on what kind of tests you’re running
Nov 13 22:17:57 <chars6> s73v3r: and if i'm using android studio, i highlight that and click ctrl + space it should show known options i can set that too, but when i do that i  don't see any themes other than AppCompat
Nov 13 22:18:21 <s73v3r> maybe they got rid of theme.holo
Nov 13 22:18:29 <grekkos> code needs context to test some storage stuff we're doing. I'm testing a caching feature
Nov 13 22:18:44 <TacticalJoke> You won't see framework ones unless you say `android:whatever` and middle-click/Ctrl+click/Ctrl+B.
Nov 13 22:18:47 <s73v3r> but i also don’t know how well autocompete works on XML files
Nov 13 22:18:55 <grekkos> which looks like it uses some ContentResolver
Nov 13 22:19:04 <chars6> s73v3r: which makes me think maybe the base themes aren't installed, but in my activity.xml i can preview what it will look ike with various themes
Nov 13 22:19:26 <TacticalJoke> They're installed; they're not just part of AppCompat's resources (where you're currently looking).
Nov 13 22:19:34 <TacticalJoke> just not*
Nov 13 22:19:45 <s73v3r> TacticalJoke knows what he’s talking about
Nov 13 22:19:56 <chars6> TacticalJoke: how do I import them into my project then?
Nov 13 22:20:50 <TacticalJoke> Just something like `parent="android:Theme.Holo.Light"` and then Ctrl+B.
Nov 13 22:21:11 <TacticalJoke> Try*
Nov 13 22:21:15 <TacticalJoke> Not sure why I can't type today.  :s
Nov 13 22:21:32 <s73v3r> Cancer, most likely
Nov 13 22:22:31 <grekkos> s73v3r: would I need to create a mock object for application context
Nov 13 22:25:04 <s73v3r> maybe. you might be able to use something like Robolectric, but I’m not sure
Nov 13 22:25:21 <grekkos> s73v3r: yeah that's what I'm using
Nov 13 22:25:38 <chars6> TacticalJoke: ok, 2 parts.
Nov 13 22:25:38 <grekkos> actually I can see this problem is much deeper than the application context... there's some reflection going on
Nov 13 22:25:42 <grekkos> and other things are failing
Nov 13 22:25:45 <grekkos> it might not be testable
Nov 13 22:26:12 <SimonVT> Robolectric has RuntimeEnvironment.application
Nov 13 22:26:33 <chars6> TacticalJoke: 1, i don't think that worked, because I still saw a crash in the emulator, but I had to restart android studio because of a pluign i'm using, so i'm now waiting for the emuator to reboot to try again
Nov 13 22:27:18 <SimonVT> chars6: http://imgur.com/jacoj
Nov 13 22:27:35 <chars6> TacticalJoke: 2 after the restart, doing what you said and pressing ctrl + B opened up another themes.xml file with that themes settings
Nov 13 22:27:47 <TacticalJoke> It opened the framework file rather than the AppCompat file.
Nov 13 22:28:33 <TacticalJoke> (That was the only reason I asked you to type that, BTW.  I'm not recommending using the framework themes, which might not even be compatible with what you're doing.)
Nov 13 22:29:05 <chars6> TacticalJoke: is the other option making one from scratch? i guess i could...
Nov 13 22:29:13 <TacticalJoke> Why not use an AppCompat theme?
Nov 13 22:29:29 <TacticalJoke> You can customize it to your heart's content.
Nov 13 22:30:33 <chars6> TacticalJoke: i don't even know what an AppCompat theme is. googling...
Nov 13 22:38:23 <eghdk> never implemented search before. I have a List<Message>, each Message has .getText(). How would I make this searchable. I know android has search views or something, but I'm fairly certain I can't hook into that stuff with just a List<Message>
Nov 13 22:39:09 <canvs2321> can see that, search begins with knowing what you are searching
Nov 13 22:42:58 <g00s> "Beware of ads that use inaudible sound to link your phone, TV, tablet, and PC" hmmm
Nov 13 22:43:47 <canvs2321> hmmm what
Nov 13 22:44:20 <canvs2321> it is something you've read from one resource, maybe just pieced together from others, what is the hmmmm
Nov 13 22:45:08 <canvs2321> not that law and order 8khz that ppl under 25 can hear?
Nov 13 22:46:12 <pfn> g00s, an interesting concept, but hard to pull off well
Nov 13 22:46:28 <pfn> you don't have much bandwidth to work at, like 25-28khz at best
Nov 13 22:46:42 <g00s> google Nearby uses ultrasound for pairing , but i think its a window of time
Nov 13 22:47:04 <canvs2321> F.U.D
Nov 13 22:47:08 <canvs2321> .
Nov 13 22:47:52 <g00s> not FUD, SilverPush had this out in 2014
Nov 13 22:48:02 <canvs2321> prove it
Nov 13 22:48:21 <g00s> http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/24/silverpush-audio-beacons/
Nov 13 22:48:37 <canvs2321> nice old link, you are the king of that
Nov 13 22:49:02 <canvs2321> learn tech, then question it, don't just post links
Nov 13 22:49:02 <g00s> canvs2321 you are the king of being an asshole
Nov 13 22:49:14 <canvs2321> is there a trophy?
Nov 13 22:49:18 <g00s> stfu or take your meds
Nov 13 22:49:29 <canvs2321> show your code
Nov 13 22:49:38 <pfn> no, I'm the king of that
Nov 13 22:49:42 * pfn kicks g00s
Nov 13 22:49:46 <pfn> learn your titles properly
Nov 13 22:50:10 <canvs2321> :)
Nov 13 22:51:13 <pfn> oh, and I forgot: peasant!
Nov 13 22:51:16 <canvs2321> advertising is the bane of everything. but learning that you don't have to buy it is sublime
Nov 13 22:53:50 <Anthaas> Dunno, wasn't there some "report" that advertising is actually killing/strangling/ruining whatever you want to call it the internet
Nov 13 22:54:01 <duboisj> s73v3r: I’m using holo themes, and yes, they look a bit outdated.  Do you have an alternate approach you would suggest I look into?
Nov 13 22:54:19 <Anthaas> The amount of resources dedicated to advertising alone was measured/calculated/guesstimated or something.
Nov 13 22:56:36 <g00s> Anthaas did you mean something like this http://motherboard.vice.com/en_uk/read/9-out-of-10-of-the-internets-top-websites-are-leaking-your-data
Nov 13 22:56:42 <g00s> or was it more a bandwidth thing
Nov 13 22:56:57 <canvs2321> nice unrelated to android dev link
Nov 13 22:57:00 <canvs2321> king
Nov 13 22:57:17 <g00s> \o/
Nov 13 22:57:22 <Anthaas> g00s, A bandwidth thing I believe.
Nov 13 22:58:04 <s73v3r> duboisj: Use the AppCompat themes
Nov 13 22:59:59 <duboisj> Ok, I’ll check that out.  thanks.
Nov 13 23:01:47 <lasserix> advertising has turned the internet and the android app ecosystem into that bad alley with floozy prozzies
Nov 13 23:02:58 <canvs2321> i guess who cares, stay on point with code.
Nov 13 23:03:20 <s73v3r> lasserix: That’s what happens when you get a bunch of people who don’t want to pay for apps
Nov 13 23:03:42 <lasserix> that's becaue google has ****ed up the app purchase barrier
Nov 13 23:04:04 <lasserix> if devs could release apps at a cost that makes it worthwhile to develop then the bar of standard for apps would be much higher
Nov 13 23:04:16 <lasserix> and there's no reason a person should think that a 99 app is costing them anything
Nov 13 23:04:21 <canvs2321> not the right place to complain
Nov 13 23:04:41 <lasserix> when in reality they probably eat or drink the equivalent of 100-200 apps a month in disposible income
Nov 13 23:04:45 <s73v3r> i don’t think that’s Google’s fault; the same thing was happeningin on iOS before Android came out
Nov 13 23:04:51 <Anthaas> Im quite horrified at myself g00s as I cannot find that source.
Nov 13 23:04:54 <lasserix> like a candy bar is more than an app yet the average consumer thinks that 99 app is too expensive
Nov 13 23:04:55 <canvs2321> .....next
Nov 13 23:05:03 <lasserix> it is totally googles fault
Nov 13 23:05:30 <s73v3r> i don’t think it’s their fault, but they would be the ones in a position to do something about it
Nov 13 23:05:36 <lasserix> they have the resources to launch an advertising campaign to persuade people into the mindset of being able to spend their disposable income on apps
Nov 13 23:05:38 <s73v3r> the question is, what would that be
Nov 13 23:05:47 <lasserix> it is their fault for the way the android app store works
Nov 13 23:05:47 <canvs2321> what is wrong with you people
Nov 13 23:05:52 <canvs2321> stop, show your code
Nov 13 23:06:01 <s73v3r> the business of app development is on topic here
Nov 13 23:06:14 <canvs2321> what developement?
Nov 13 23:06:41 <lasserix> the amount of money or value of my app is directly correlated to the qualtiy of code of that app
Nov 13 23:06:42 <s73v3r> app development. and we’re talking about the business of it, which is relevant here
Nov 13 23:06:57 <squirrel> i have a very weird problem. i'm trying to put the contents of an ssh key file into shared preferences. it works fine... until i restart the application. the data gets loaded from the storage, the key looks the same, but its hashCode is different and the ssh library doesn't parse it
Nov 13 23:07:02 <canvs2321> SimonVT is business created from apps related to here?
Nov 13 23:07:16 <squirrel> any idea whatsoever what could be happening with this thing?
Nov 13 23:07:18 <s73v3r> lasserix: not really. It’s correlated to how well it functions and what problems it solves
Nov 13 23:07:23 <lasserix> squirrel: make a custom class and override hashcode
Nov 13 23:07:39 <g00s> Anthaas i think i remember what you are referring to but i can't find it either
Nov 13 23:07:54 <lasserix> squirrel: then use it wrap your ssh serialization data
Nov 13 23:08:01 <squirrel> lasserix: the key is just text, if the hashcode is changing it means android doesn't restore what it saves
Nov 13 23:08:13 <s73v3r> squirrel: SharedPreferences are not a good place to put sensitive data like ssh keys
Nov 13 23:08:16 <lasserix> right and you can solve it by making a class that overrides hashcode
Nov 13 23:08:27 <Anthaas> g00s, I just keep finding things about adblockers ruining revenue or digital marketing/advertising companies - makes me smile :-)
Nov 13 23:08:36 <lasserix> squirrel: or use string intern
Nov 13 23:08:39 <lasserix> to get the hash
Nov 13 23:08:57 <squirrel> i don't need that hash, i'm just printing it to make sure that something has changed
Nov 13 23:09:15 <squirrel> because in the logcat the key look the same
Nov 13 23:09:18 <lasserix> "but its hashCode is different and the ssh library doesn't parse it"
Nov 13 23:09:39 <squirrel> ssh library doesn't parse the key, not the hash
Nov 13 23:09:54 <canvs2321> "[18:06] <lasserix> the amount of money or value of my app is directly correlated to the qualtiy of code of that app
Nov 13 23:10:07 <canvs2321> so this channel should get some of your proceeds
Nov 13 23:10:09 <squirrel> s73v3r: why not?
Nov 13 23:10:12 <s73v3r> if you’re reading it in as a string, it might be that the hash for string takes into account more than just the character of the string
Nov 13 23:10:23 <s73v3r> squirrel: cause it’s not secure
Nov 13 23:11:05 <squirrel> from what i read you can't read the data unless you are root, and you can't become root without wiping your data
Nov 13 23:12:08 <squirrel> and yes, i understand that some stuff might get lost in logging, but i mean, how is it possible?
Nov 13 23:12:31 <s73v3r> i guess it depends on how String calculates it’s hash
Nov 13 23:12:54 <s73v3r> either that, or it’s possible that the Shared Preferences has a max size limit per item, and your key is larger
Nov 13 23:13:12 <SimonVT> canvs2321: Some degree of noise is tolerated from people who regularly hang out in the channel. Noise that consists of immediately complaining about regular users noise is not tolerated
Nov 13 23:13:47 <lasserix> squirrel: you have access to files/ cache/ external path
Nov 13 23:14:04 <lasserix> shared preferences rights it to what? app/data or file folder can't remember
Nov 13 23:14:09 <lasserix> but it's an xml file somewhere
Nov 13 23:14:26 <lasserix> if you want to get hash of a string and you want two strings with same charsequence then you want to get the hash based on string intern
Nov 13 23:14:36 <canvs2321> makes sense, so just up to a judge. their conditions are related to their personal interests. makes sense. that's how "this" world works now
Nov 13 23:16:46 <squirrel> lasserix: i once tried to get cookies from chrome when i tried to install another rom. it's just not possible with a locked bootloader. anyways, if you have access to the xml then you have access to the app itself, so you can easily get the keys/passwords anyway
Nov 13 23:17:25 <squirrel> if you can't use tokens or stuff like that sharedpreferences seem as good a place as anything
Nov 13 23:18:56 <squirrel> s73v3r: tried longer text, seems it's not getting cut
Nov 13 23:20:32 * squirrel tries printing non-printable characters
Nov 13 23:21:25 <lasserix> at the end or evenly distrubed?
Nov 13 23:21:32 <canvs2321> if printer device doesn't accept raw UTF characters have to draw them
Nov 13 23:24:02 <canvs2321> squirrel, off topic, but your idea of characterss are related to the assuming that bytes are interpeted for what you need.
Nov 13 23:24:46 <squirrel> huh, funny. apparently, when pasting text, there are "\r\n"s. when the file is restored, i only get "\n". moreover, in the end of the file android appends "\n    "
Nov 13 23:25:14 <squirrel> otherwise, the text is unchanged
Nov 13 23:25:51 <canvs2321> restored how, on linux? ending characters are subjetive to the OS, show code
Nov 13 23:26:19 <squirrel> restored as in close app, read preferences again
Nov 13 23:26:37 <canvs2321> \r\n is windows
Nov 13 23:27:33 <canvs2321> protocols are great to read
Nov 13 23:27:40 <squirrel> let me put some explanation in a pastebin
Nov 13 23:34:45 <osxorgate> what is it called when the fab has a few suboptions that sprout from it?
Nov 13 23:35:02 <phantomcircuit> just noticed that google rate limits sdk updates to 1.5MB/s
Nov 13 23:35:17 <phantomcircuit> sillyness
Nov 13 23:37:12 <squirrel> here's a bit more detailed explanation of what i'm seeing: https://bpaste.net/show/2a8285f2817c
Nov 13 23:40:41 <lasserix> sq
Nov 13 23:40:44 <lasserix> toString.intern
Nov 13 23:41:02 <squirrel> what does interning have to do with anything..
Nov 13 23:41:25 <lasserix> you'll get constanst hashes on your strings
Nov 13 23:42:34 <squirrel> hashes are always the same for stings that are the same; anyways, forget the hashes, i don't use them, i shouldn't have mentioned them
Nov 13 23:43:03 <AlmogBaku> how can i retrieve uid from file-descriptor?
Nov 13 23:43:42 <chars6> i just noticed android studio named my package domain.com.app_name is it supposed to be that way?
Nov 13 23:44:28 <squirrel> http://stackoverflow.com/a/26649823/1449683 found this
Nov 13 23:45:43 <Anthaas> Shit me, people are so sensitive to people talking about France right now - like they are surprised people want to talk about it to people they are often talking to a lot for the rest of the time so have established a rapport.
Nov 13 23:47:00 <chars6> ohh, i wrote it backwards initialls
Nov 13 23:47:03 <chars6> initially
Nov 13 23:55:23 <lasserix> Woa there Anthaas. How does that relate to Android development?!!
Nov 13 23:56:14 <s73v3r> lasserix: don't
Nov 13 23:56:32 <lasserix> ?
Nov 13 23:56:45 <Anthaas> Haha, sorry lasserix - I honestly feel this is the one channel on freenode where you can think something and have a decent and thoughtout conversation with someone!
Nov 13 23:56:51 <Anthaas> Its almost a shame that it is #android-dev
Nov 13 23:56:59 <lasserix> yeah you can until you get banned or kicked
Nov 13 23:57:34 <Anthaas> Haha oh I wouldn't take it off-topic - it was a throwaway comment. :-)
Nov 14 00:01:09 <lasserix> Sure sure that's what they all say
Nov 14 00:04:58 <lasserix> oh **** just rememmbered my friend is paris
Nov 14 00:05:19 <explodes> Dude
Nov 14 00:09:36 <explodes> My MediaRouteControllerDialog is styled, for some unknown reason(s): The are taken up by mr_expandable_area has an opaque background
Nov 14 00:09:46 <explodes> the view itself isn't necessarily colored that way
Nov 14 00:10:32 <TacticalJoke> Mr. Expandable Area?
Nov 14 00:11:23 <explodes> I wish it was friend
Nov 14 00:11:28 <explodes> Friendly**
Nov 14 00:11:44 <explodes> mr stands for massively reprehensible (api)
Nov 14 00:39:14 <lasserix> weshould make the monkey runner meusem
Nov 14 00:39:19 <lasserix> just get discard devices
Nov 14 00:39:24 <lasserix> hundreds of hundreds of them
Nov 14 00:39:34 <lasserix> so they can makeup the walls,floor, ceiling
Nov 14 00:39:38 <lasserix> each running a different app
Nov 14 00:39:40 <lasserix> from the playstore
Nov 14 00:39:45 <lasserix> each running monkeyrunner
Nov 14 00:41:24 <lasserix> I am not familiar enough, but how many threads should be acceptable for a third party library to run?
Nov 14 00:43:41 <s73v3r> What are the reasons for a view’s height or width being 0, if not explicitly set?
Nov 14 00:46:48 <lasserix> layout passes
Nov 14 00:46:59 <TacticalJoke> I think it makes the most sense.  What other value could be used?
Nov 14 00:48:04 <lasserix> BadNumberConsant
Nov 14 01:09:13 <Napalm> If anyone is having problems with the new data-binding library and AS not finding the source files but compiling and launching the app fine. Also not being able to implement DataBindingComponent. simply add the latest android-apt plugin to your project.. https://bitbucket.org/hvisser/android-apt
Nov 14 01:20:00 <Napalm> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=182049
Nov 14 01:20:06 <Napalm> star the issue people
Nov 14 01:27:39 <Smrtz> I'm trying to create a key listener to know when you hit enter after typing in a text box, but it's not triggering.  When I press enter, it just adds a new line to the text box.  Would someone mind helping me find the error please?   https://bpaste.net/show/515c616282ea
Nov 14 01:29:01 <canvs2321> your idea has been used since time began.
Nov 14 01:29:47 <Smrtz> Yeah, I know it should be easy, but I haven't been able to find anything on google.  I'm very new to Java, and even newer to Android, so it's probobly something conseptually wrong with my approch...
Nov 14 01:31:16 <canvs2321> sad then
Nov 14 01:31:31 <Smrtz> canvs2321, what?
Nov 14 01:41:04 <hert> hey guy is there a reason why some drawable icon/image show in the xml and some don't?
Nov 14 01:41:48 <TacticalJoke> Smrtz:  Not sure, but I'd check out these results: http://google.com/search?q=edittext+enter+android
Nov 14 01:42:16 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, Ok, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Nov 14 01:42:54 <TacticalJoke> Also, you don't have to use an anonymous (nested) class there.  You can use a regular nested class: `givenText.setOnKeyListener(new GivenTextOnKeyListener());`.
Nov 14 01:43:38 <Rush2112> is there a way i could have a button up, and while the button is up, have the phone look for any change in accelerometer movement or somethign similar?
Nov 14 01:44:12 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, Uhh, you lost me a little there, but I'll keep trying.
Nov 14 01:45:07 <TacticalJoke> An anonymous class is just a nested class defined in place.  This can lead to bloated, ugly code.  It's sometimes better to use a non-anonymous class for these callback things.
Nov 14 01:45:46 <Smrtz> Ahh, ok.  Thanks!
Nov 14 01:48:35 <Marlinski> hi
Nov 14 01:55:46 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, I'm still getting the same issue, but here's my new version.  Does this look closer to right?  https://bpaste.net/show/76c5a1d368d7
Nov 14 01:59:45 <TacticalJoke> You probably have to return `true`.
Nov 14 02:00:49 <Smrtz> Even though that's after the event registration, and the Log.d line?
Nov 14 02:01:54 <TacticalJoke> What does the documentation for TextView.OnEditorActionListener.onEditorAction say?  :D
Nov 14 02:03:52 <Smrtz> Good point, however, changing that didn't help.
Nov 14 02:04:25 <Smrtz> Seems like the onEditorAction method isn't ever being called.
Nov 14 02:06:22 <TacticalJoke> Try replacing the Log.d call with `throw new Error("It got called");`.
Nov 14 02:07:48 <Smrtz> Still nothing.
Nov 14 02:10:19 <TacticalJoke> Perhaps try throwing that error at the start of MainActivity.server_address_listener.
Nov 14 02:12:57 <Smrtz> Still nothing.
Nov 14 02:13:05 <TacticalJoke> Then `server_address_listener` isn't being called.
Nov 14 02:15:17 <Smrtz> Yeah.  I've added it to the onCreate though, so it should be started.
Nov 14 02:16:36 <TacticalJoke> Smrtz:  If throwing an Error at the start of server_address_listener isn't doing anything, that means that server_address_listener isn't being called.  The likelihood of it
Nov 14 02:16:42 <TacticalJoke> Oops, damn keyboard again.
Nov 14 02:17:35 <TacticalJoke> Smrtz:  You might as well post the entire file.
Nov 14 02:17:52 <TacticalJoke> Probably best to keep the `throw new Error();` thing in there.
Nov 14 02:18:53 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, Ok, here you go:   https://bpaste.net/show/e30a27207a35
Nov 14 02:19:27 <TacticalJoke> That won't even compile.
Nov 14 02:19:41 <TacticalJoke> You can't say `throw new Error();` and then have statements after it.
Nov 14 02:20:24 <Smrtz> Oops, I took the 'throw new error' line out, and forgot to comment that out when putting it back in.
Nov 14 02:20:51 <Smrtz> https://bpaste.net/show/f9df09ba0e4c
Nov 14 02:21:21 <TacticalJoke> The app should be crashing, with LogCat showing "Things are happening".
Nov 14 02:21:34 <Smrtz> It is not.
Nov 14 02:22:17 <Smrtz> Here's my activity_main.xml, incase the error's in there?
Nov 14 02:22:17 <Smrtz> https://bpaste.net/show/0dff02a78375
Nov 14 02:22:50 <Smrtz> Also, I'm testing with an emulated device rather than a phisical one.  Could that be the problem?
Nov 14 02:24:11 <TacticalJoke> It shouldn't be.  The best hypothesis in my mind is that your app isn't using this MainActivity class at all.
Nov 14 02:24:50 <Smrtz> It is, I can call MainActivity.ping_server and it works fine.
Nov 14 02:25:35 <TacticalJoke> Oh, okay.  I see what's happening.
Nov 14 02:25:41 <Anthaas> How does that compile?
Nov 14 02:25:45 <TacticalJoke> I think you're saying something like `new MainActivity().ping_server();`.
Nov 14 02:25:48 <Anthaas> The method doesn't declare "throws Error"
Nov 14 02:25:50 <TacticalJoke> Hence the public methods.
Nov 14 02:26:10 <TacticalJoke> Anthaas:  Error isn't a checked exception.
Nov 14 02:26:14 <Anthaas> Ahhh thanks
Nov 14 02:26:40 <TacticalJoke> Smrtz:  Basically, you can't say `new MainActivity()`.  The framework has to do it.
Nov 14 02:27:09 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, I don't think I am?
Nov 14 02:27:25 <TacticalJoke> How are you calling ping_server?
Nov 14 02:27:28 <TacticalJoke> And from where.
Nov 14 02:27:35 <Smrtz> I'm calling MainActivity.ping_server in line 30 from here: https://bpaste.net/show/0dff02a78375
Nov 14 02:28:05 <TacticalJoke> Oh, okay.
Nov 14 02:28:29 <Anthaas> change that to the other method and see if it works
Nov 14 02:29:40 <CedricBeust> pfn: ping
Nov 14 02:29:47 <pfn> CedricBeust,?
Nov 14 02:29:48 <TacticalJoke> Yeah, I'd be curious to see what happens if you throw the Error in ping_server.
Nov 14 02:30:15 <CedricBeust> pfn: You were saying the other day that build variants are implemented with source prepending in gradle but I don't see how this could work
Nov 14 02:30:41 <pfn> CedricBeust, I don't think colliding sources are allowes
Nov 14 02:30:42 <pfn> d
Nov 14 02:31:10 <CedricBeust> Yeah they would have to disallow that, but it seems more work than my original idea which is to throw all these sources in a generated/ folder in the correct order
Nov 14 02:31:24 <pfn> eg, look a u2020 the modules are only defined in the variant directories
Nov 14 02:31:52 <CedricBeust> e.g. "assembleDevDebug" : copy src/main first, then src/dev over it, then src/debug over it and now you have a consistent set of sources in generated/
Nov 14 02:31:56 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, https://imgur.com/P9HItJm
Nov 14 02:32:16 <Smrtz> IntelleJs linting picked up an error.
Nov 14 02:32:23 <TacticalJoke> I'm not suggesting you do that.
Nov 14 02:33:04 <Smrtz> Oh, sorry, didn't check nicks to see who sent that.
Nov 14 02:33:13 <Smrtz> Anthaas, ^^
Nov 14 02:33:16 <Anthaas> I did
Nov 14 02:34:42 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, Anthaas I'll be right back.
Nov 14 02:36:54 <pfn> CedricBeust, being able. to have multiple source sets without copying seems like a more. general solution
Nov 14 02:37:44 <CedricBeust> How is it more general? The flexibility is identical, I just think using multiple source sets is more work since you need to dodge identical files
Nov 14 02:38:06 <CedricBeust> Copying takes a bit more time because of the copying but less bookkeeping, you just copy blindly
Nov 14 02:40:20 <pfn> feels like a bit of clutter for build output with little gain
Nov 14 02:40:49 <pfn> CedricBeust, typical behavior of build tools wrt source sets is to just walk dir tree. and. accumulate files
Nov 14 02:41:07 <pfn> and just pass them directly to compiler
Nov 14 02:41:25 <CedricBeust> I don't care if it's typical, I care about what makes the most sense :)
Nov 14 02:41:44 <pfn> seems like more work to copy and maintain relative paths while copying, it also interferes with ide integration for line number errors
Nov 14 02:41:49 <Anthaas> Well, lets start by agreeing that "walking a tree" doesn't make much sense :P never understood that way of phrasing.
Nov 14 02:41:50 <CedricBeust> Anyway, dodging identical files is not the end of the world either I guess
Nov 14 02:41:56 <Anthaas> You climb trees, you walk paths.
Nov 14 02:42:04 <pfn> unless you're going to parse compiler log output to translate back to original paths
Nov 14 02:42:14 <pfn> CedricBeust, just let the compiler error
Nov 14 02:42:21 <CedricBeust> Fair enough
Nov 14 02:43:12 <pfn> I have serious issues with resource merging, aapt always spits out errors on merged paths, not original, it's very irritating
Nov 14 02:43:24 <pfn> issues as in dislikes
Nov 14 02:46:09 <lasserix> (actionId == EditorInfo.IME_ACTION_DONE || event.getKeyCode() == KeyEvent.KEYCODE_ENTER || event.getKeyCode() == KeyEvent.ACTION_DOWN)
Nov 14 02:46:47 <pfn> action down is not a keycode
Nov 14 02:47:24 <pfn> Anthaas, tree as in a graph
Nov 14 02:47:49 <pfn> Anthaas, it is not a real world analogy
Nov 14 02:48:11 <Anthaas> Haha I knew that - I was joking :P
Nov 14 02:48:48 <pfn> you know ftw is a libc function?
Nov 14 02:48:56 <pfn> and it doesn't mean for the win
Nov 14 02:49:10 <Anthaas> It should do
Nov 14 02:50:05 <pfn> I do t recall is its posix though
Nov 14 02:52:17 <Smrtz> OK, back.
Nov 14 02:52:22 <fizzie> "POSIX.1-2001, SVr4, SUSv1.  POSIX.1-2008 marks ftw() as obsolete." No more ftw's.
Nov 14 02:52:23 <Smrtz> lasserix, I'll try that now.
Nov 14 02:55:03 <TacticalJoke> Smrtz:  How could any change to that method matter if the method isn't even being called?
Nov 14 02:55:52 <pfn> fizzie, aww
Nov 14 02:55:52 <Smrtz> TacticalJoke, I'm not sure, however, lasserix's helped me in the past, so I felt like it was worth a shot.
Nov 14 02:56:09 <Smrtz> To be honist, I don't actually know where to put what he posted though.
Nov 14 02:58:06 <Smrtz> Wait, now it's throwing that error at launch...
Nov 14 02:58:23 <Smrtz> All I did was walk away and have a cigarette, and now it's working/
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