**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 02:59:58 2016 Jan 17 03:10:15 depends on your requirements Jan 17 03:21:12 I would like to show a notification with a progress bar, like in google play app Jan 17 03:21:25 pfn ^ Jan 17 03:21:35 For now I'm not using download manager Jan 17 03:26:08 if that's your only requirement, there is no reason to use anything but download manager Jan 17 04:02:54 How can I get a file browser on the emulator that came with Android Studio Jan 17 04:02:55 ? Jan 17 04:03:48 hi there, does android SDK alone package include build tools and Jan 17 04:03:48 platform tools ? Jan 17 04:11:21 Found the DDMS view in Adnroid studio, where is the external storage at? :/ Jan 17 05:23:07 ok in Android Studio, say you have some uncommited changed and want to switch branches. You get that little popup that offers to stash your changed, and then unstash them when you return. So I clicked "Smart Checkout" and now I get a popup saying "Uncommited changed that were saved before checkout have conflicts with files from xxxxxx. Why is it me Jan 17 05:23:07 rging? Jan 17 05:23:29 changes* Jan 17 05:44:41 Anyone use Kotlin for their projects? Jan 17 05:44:47 Ive never used it before, but just cloned a project off gihub using it. Jan 17 05:44:55 Supposedly this app requires some permissions, but they are not listed in the AndroidManifest.xml. Jan 17 05:44:57 Does Kotlin allow some other mechanism to add permissions? Jan 17 05:51:43 You know Kotlin is making headway when people clone some random Android project and it's written i Kotlin... Jan 17 05:51:58 zzxx: and the answer to your question, yes, I do Jan 17 05:52:17 There's nothing special about Kotlin and permissions though Jan 17 05:52:59 CedricBeust_: Thanks! Jan 17 05:53:32 Whats the big deal with kotlin anyway? just another language/syntax to write the same stuff correct? Jan 17 05:53:51 No, it's way more than that. Jan 17 05:54:02 Read up on it, then come back, we can have a chat then :) Jan 17 05:54:38 CedricBeust_: No prob. I probably wont at the moment as I am into other stuff, but perhaps later :) Jan 17 05:55:05 zzxx: I suspect like many others, once you start writing Kotlin code, you won't want to go back to Java Jan 17 05:56:05 any guru of status bar drawing errors around? Jan 17 05:56:25 u cant be any geek on irc Jan 17 05:56:28 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-platform/EEUgTOvV8Lg Jan 17 05:56:33 b4b: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-platform/EEUgTOvV8Lg Jan 17 05:56:34 gotta be handle wit tha steel earn ya keep Jan 17 05:56:34 b4b: ? Jan 17 05:57:22 This kinda looked like English Jan 17 05:57:37 CedricBeust_: can you have a look at my post please? =) Jan 17 05:57:42 nastiest drawing error ever =( Jan 17 05:58:00 b4b had ta regulate Jan 17 05:58:04 BW^- did you look into attr:fitsSystemWindows yet? Jan 17 05:58:57 lol at the photograph of your screen Jan 17 05:59:33 im tweaking into a whole new era g funk step ta dis i dare ya Jan 17 05:59:47 funked out wit a gangsta twist Jan 17 06:00:24 b4b r u gangsta? Jan 17 06:00:56 homegirl dont get ya face slapped Jan 17 06:08:02 autocomplete in AS 1.5.1 XMLs views is so busted ... Jan 17 06:08:08 g00s: yes!! Jan 17 06:08:14 g00s: i mean, i don't se ehow it could help??????? Jan 17 06:08:35 BW^- /did you try it/ Jan 17 06:17:00 g00s: noo but why would I? Jan 17 06:17:12 g00s: so what should I set it to, "true"?? Jan 17 06:18:05 i give up Jan 17 06:18:11 good luck BW^- Jan 17 06:21:46 hee Jan 17 06:23:04 hi, I installed android studio, I am getting the following error when creating a virtual device "Name: Nexus_5_API_23,CPU/ABI: Google APIs Intel Atom (x86_64),Path: /Users/amigojapan/.android/avd/Nexus_5_API_23.avd,Error: Unknown target 'Google Inc.:Google APIs:23' in /Users/amigojapan/.android/avd/Nexus_5_API_23.ini"" any idea what is wrong? Jan 17 06:25:40 g00s: haha. ok i'll try it. Jan 17 06:25:55 g00s: will let you know Jan 17 06:28:45 i wonder what Edward Tufte would say about these circular progress bars Jan 17 06:40:25 hi Jan 17 06:40:53 i just want to ask for help as I had problems with debug bridge not working on my android studio Jan 17 06:41:06 I am using ubuntu linux 14.04LTS Jan 17 06:41:53 just want to ask if this path in my ~/.profile will work once I run it Jan 17 06:41:55 http://paste.ubuntu.com/14542595/ Jan 17 06:42:36 easyOnMe #ubuntu can help you with your .profile Jan 17 06:43:05 g00s: ok then later I will ask about the debug bridge not working Jan 17 06:44:10 Haven't done the very first thing I told you to do, easyOnMe Jan 17 06:44:14 .... Jan 17 06:44:22 g00s: should I put the attr:fitsSystemWindows inside the style or in the AndroidManifest or in its ?? Jan 17 06:44:30 pfn: I slept last night man I got tired Jan 17 06:44:33 now I am back Jan 17 06:45:00 I am still figuring out the ~/.profile file that alexfu taught me before I fell asleep Jan 17 06:45:00 BW^- did you google it, it goes on a view Jan 17 06:45:04 you guys ! Jan 17 06:46:18 ok, I solved my problem Jan 17 06:48:52 sorry to ask this again but for the past 5 mins Jan 17 06:48:59 I have not receive any reply Jan 17 06:49:10 sorry its not here Jan 17 06:49:37 g00s: I don't have any view in my splash?? Jan 17 06:51:42 if you don't even know how to run a command on your computer, you should really go for learning the basics first Jan 17 06:51:42 pfn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14542595/ that is what is inside my ~/.profile I tried running it and then restarting my android studio but the problem about the adb keeps popping up Jan 17 06:51:47 g00s threw up his hands and went home :p Jan 17 06:52:27 pfn: sorry I am still a college student and I am force both to complete my thesis and learn all these technologies Jan 17 06:52:44 thing was this was what I got when thesis papers were drawn lots Jan 17 06:52:56 I got the package for doing android on linux ubuntu Jan 17 06:53:02 hence I am here Jan 17 06:53:16 just need some help that's all Jan 17 06:53:27 yeah, no Jan 17 06:53:44 pfn: what do you mean Jan 17 06:53:45 ask your advisor Jan 17 06:54:37 he is out of town for conference other student assistants are not around either so I am left on my own lucky I started my project this early at least I get to know glitches Jan 17 06:54:49 at least I have more time to work on these setting up stuff Jan 17 06:55:24 pfn: do you know of any forum other than this high and mighty channel Jan 17 06:55:41 refuse to do it ... turn in a paper proclaiming he'll never pry Eclipse out of your dead hands Jan 17 06:57:01 capella: can I ask for help from you Jan 17 07:01:04 suckered Jan 17 07:04:21 this channel isn't really targeted to complete beginners ... the header banner should mention that Jan 17 07:06:04 capella: any ideas where we can go for lowly beginners like us Jan 17 07:07:52 Beginner questions are fine (as long as they are withing the charter of this group, i.e. development questions) Jan 17 07:08:29 CedricBeust_: questions like those debug bridge not working does it fall here? Jan 17 07:08:47 I just got problem with adb I just do not know where else to go Jan 17 07:09:05 I tried stackoverflow and tried their suggestions didn't work either Jan 17 07:09:18 so I was thinking probably visiting here might help Jan 17 07:10:46 state question, be specific ... explain what you're trying, how it's failing, don't chatter too much, google extensively first, blah blah blah Jan 17 07:14:54 http://geoff.greer.fm/2012/05/19/programmer-irc-etiquette/ Jan 17 07:17:21 capella: this is my issue: I got problem with my android studio because it keeps on popping a message that adb is not running and therefore debug not bridge not working. Jan 17 07:18:12 Things done so far: I changed the ~/.profile on my ubuntu linux 14.04LTS to add the following line: export PATH=$PATH:~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/ Jan 17 07:18:47 after saving the file I run the command source ~/.profile and restarted my android studio the problem still persist Jan 17 07:19:04 And? You have a device attached? It's in USB debugging mode? |adb devices| shows there's a connection? Jan 17 07:19:44 * capella doesn't understand -> |I run the command source ~/.profile| Jan 17 07:20:33 http://www.howtogeek.com/125769/how-to-install-and-use-abd-the-android-debug-bridge-utility/ Jan 17 07:21:40 pfn: "suckered" :p Jan 17 07:26:15 capella: what is suckered Jan 17 07:30:30 capella: I still got this form the linux terminal Jan 17 07:30:36 #com.android.ddmlib - Unable to detect adb version, adb output: /home/erwin/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb: 1: /home/erwin/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb: Syntax error: ")" unexpected Jan 17 07:30:55 my device has been connected to my laptop already via usb Jan 17 07:45:43 pfn: http://imgur.com/zxgN67w Jan 17 07:46:09 pfn: you asked me to call adb from the terminal Jan 17 07:51:24 none of my 3 android devices are being displayed when I type adb devices in cmd... what should I do? Jan 17 07:51:46 developer options and usb debugging is enabled in all of them Jan 17 07:55:41 anyone? Jan 17 08:06:48 Nick007: find the USB drivers for those specific models Jan 17 08:07:26 I already did for all of them... say I'm with the OnePlus X right now Jan 17 08:07:28 and make sure developer options is enabled with adb debugging enabled in the devices settings Jan 17 08:07:35 they provide the drivers within the device itself Jan 17 08:08:16 some devices need you to get the USB drivers manually Jan 17 08:09:11 I tried that with my samsung galaxy tab Jan 17 08:09:16 doesn't work Jan 17 09:40:18 i am trying to make a network call after connecting to a captive portal with no luck Jan 17 10:28:45 Hey folks, can anyone please help me understanding this? I’m looking at a java file and I want to write/log the values of a variable into a file, maybe /tmp/fifo. The variable I want to be logged is 'dy' in line 252. Which commands can/should I use in .java files to write/log constantly to some file? Or can I even call e.g. 'netcat' from should a file, so I send the variables’ value over network? Jan 17 10:29:44 Oh, here’s the file … https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base/blob/cm-13.0/core/java/com/android/internal/widget/PointerLocationView.java Jan 17 11:15:52 Hi. Some small question. I'm playing around with dissasembling an app that I have, cause I just want to know the API calls it does. Now I need some help with it. I decoded it with ApkTool, and I have the smalli files. But now, how could I add some code that prints to debug for example, so I can trace the calls Jan 17 11:15:58 or even log the calls into a file Jan 17 11:38:46 Where can I access the developer options on my android system? Is it like a binary file? Or are all the developer options single binary files? Jan 17 11:40:00 And1: do you mean how do you show the developers options in the settings? or where they are stored Jan 17 11:40:06 i my android app , i want to have a FAB , that can launch a dialog like this , but i also want that FAB to move upward along with the dialog opening from bottom , how can i achieve this ?? do you thing its UX way correct Jan 17 11:40:22 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orhanobut/dialogplus/master/art/dialogplus.gif Jan 17 11:41:12 And1: you have to enable it by going into settings -> about phone -> and tapping Build number 7 times Jan 17 11:42:05 And1: and next time you go into settings you will see Developer Options Jan 17 11:42:06 jackhum: apply a translation to your fab as part of your animation for your dialog panel? Jan 17 11:42:47 Napalm : were you able to understand what i am trying to achieve ? Jan 17 11:42:50 Hey guys.... If I have nested returns in my if statements inside my function.. why does it sometimes not return but instead carries on until the end of the function? Example -> http://pastebin.com/M4xEWcsC Jan 17 11:42:58 Napalm: sorry for my bad english Jan 17 11:43:44 jackhum: you mean you want your fab to show above the popup dialog panel Jan 17 11:43:52 like it does for snackbars? Jan 17 11:45:00 Napalm: yes , i want as soon as the user click my search FAB , the dialog from the bottom appears moving the FAB to top of it , Jan 17 11:45:20 Napalm: do you think it will be bad in UX ? Jan 17 11:45:22 jackhum: do you have a coordinator layout? Jan 17 11:45:35 Napalm: totally a newb Jan 17 11:45:44 Napalm: whats coordinator layout? Jan 17 11:45:54 just animate the fab Jan 17 11:47:00 myFab.animate().translateY(-heightOfDialog).setDuration(durationOfDialogAnimation).start(); Jan 17 11:47:07 jackhum: ^ Jan 17 11:47:57 Napalm: i have two option , one way is that as soon , user clicks FAB , a dialog will appear , which has search button of own , or other way is the way i told you , i will move that same FAB to top. which one do you think is better UX approach? Jan 17 11:49:35 jackhum: read the spec and work it out.. https://www.google.com/design/spec/components/buttons-floating-action-button.html Jan 17 11:54:31 Does anyone have a problem with the Android Emulator Jan 17 11:54:39 Where it gets stuck in two finger click mode? Jan 17 11:54:49 Wait nvm, solved it Jan 17 11:56:13 Unrelated, I'm using coordinator layout but when I collapse the toolbar I don't get the dark status bar. Jan 17 11:56:18 It stays as colorPrimary Jan 17 11:56:22 If I have nested returns in my if statements inside my function.. why does it sometimes not return but instead carries on until the end of the function? Example -> http://pastebin.com/M4xEWcsC Jan 17 12:01:55 echo! Jan 17 12:17:24 cart_man, the debugger is buggy Jan 17 12:17:48 ktwo: Really? Jan 17 12:17:51 https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34193 Jan 17 12:18:50 probably it will always jump to return 0 but the result is correct, so nothing to worry - just annoying Jan 17 12:19:01 ktwo: Ok but the code seems to respond to the returned 0 though...So if that was the case then the code would have responded to the returned 1 isntead? Jan 17 12:19:47 adding objects into arraylist overrite the previous object http://pastebin.com/s4ByeGuJ Jan 17 12:19:58 why its beaving so weired Jan 17 12:20:22 cart_man, are you sure? did you try to check the returned value in the method which is calling it? Jan 17 12:20:31 it should return 1 Jan 17 12:20:53 ktwo: Well the if statement that handles that returns fires the 0 Jan 17 12:20:56 lest me just make 100% sure Jan 17 12:28:54 ktwo: You are right! Jan 17 12:29:09 Im just not sure why my code is acting out as if the code returned 0 Jan 17 12:30:02 as said the problem is in the debugger^^ if you put a log just before return 0 it wont be called Jan 17 12:30:10 only the breakpoint will go there Jan 17 12:39:49 How does one quit a Dialog from within its own code? Jan 17 12:39:57 this.finish() does not seem to work Jan 17 12:42:00 Has someone good examples for a fade in fade out of a simple textview? Jan 17 12:42:54 I tried with .animate() and setListener with onAnimationEnd, but I'm now in an endless loop Jan 17 12:46:43 sk8dev_: the listeners remain after the animation is complete.. you'll want to remove them in onAnimationEnd Jan 17 12:47:08 cart_man, dismiss() Jan 17 12:48:08 ktwo: Thanks :0 Jan 17 12:48:10 :)` Jan 17 12:49:32 oh, hey Napalm Jan 17 12:50:00 hey Jan 17 12:53:27 sk8dev_, in my case i just used .startAnimation(x) and .clearAnimation() Jan 17 12:57:24 thanks Napalm, ktwo. I'll try both ways :) Jan 17 12:58:18 ktwo: startAnimation and clearAnimation are for the old animation framework.. you should probably stop using them. Jan 17 13:07:53 how can i call an async thread every so often ( like every 5 minutes) Jan 17 13:08:26 Napalm, how can I remove the listener? Jan 17 13:08:55 sk8dev_: set it to null Jan 17 13:08:59 thornekey: AlarmManager Jan 17 13:09:10 thanks Napalm :)) ill look into that Jan 17 13:09:12 thornekey: thats if your app isnt active Jan 17 13:09:33 oh, i meant whilst the user is on it Jan 17 13:09:55 it will work either way.. but if you only want to do it whilst your own activity is active.. then its just easier to delay post a message to a handler Jan 17 13:10:21 ohk Jan 17 13:11:38 thornekey Jan 17 13:11:39 https://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Handler.html#postDelayed(java.lang.Runnable, long) Jan 17 13:14:14 ah, thanks :) Jan 17 13:14:43 Napalm, thanks Jan 17 13:32:17 Napalm, I fixed it with MyTextView.animate().setListener(null) . thanks :) Jan 17 13:34:51 Napalm, why arent they deprecated then? Jan 17 13:36:53 ktwo: they probably will deprecate them once the majority of people use honeycomb+ Jan 17 13:37:28 ktwo: they have already made a compat for new the system to help get people off the old one Jan 17 13:37:46 ktwo: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/view/ViewCompat.html#animate(android.view.View) Jan 17 13:44:38 does Gson().fromJson(..., ..) want a string and a class? Jan 17 13:56:07 Napalm: Where they are stored … Jan 17 13:56:30 they are stored as part of the system settings sqlite database Jan 17 13:57:54 Napalm: Uh. I’ve no idea of sqlite. So if I change a file, what would I need to replace on my running Android device? https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base/blob/cm-13.0/core/java/com/android/internal/widget/PointerLocationView.java Jan 17 13:58:38 Napalm: I want to modify this file, compile Android/CyanogenMod and replace the sqlite database on my phone with the one from the newly built Android. Jan 17 14:01:17 Hi all, I have a question about services on android. Specifically how they should be sub-classed, what code I should put in the onCreate and onBind and onStartCommand methods etc. I have it question posted here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34838952/unsure-how-to-organise-services. Thanks in advance Jan 17 14:19:53 Anyone else having problems with Android Studio 1.5? It keeps stop taking my input and forcing a restart. Or autocomplete stops working. Don't know if it has something to do with that I use multiple monitors or have the Android Monitor with logcat in a "detached window" in floating mode. Anyway it's driving me crazy would love some tips on what I can do to fix it. Jan 17 14:21:51 jitan_: never had that problem.. perhaps check your plugins.. try disabling some.. they might be screwing with things Jan 17 14:22:21 yeah I just did this and disabled all but a few, still.. I'll do the rest of them I guess just to see Jan 17 14:25:48 If that's on Linux, there's the well-known IBus issue, http://tools.android.com/knownissues/ibus -- though IIRC there's a warning about that now if Android Studio thinks that might be the case. Jan 17 14:26:04 I'm on OSX Jan 17 14:26:11 Then it's not that. Jan 17 14:26:41 ok.. I remember reading about some issues with IntelliJ or Android Studio and multiple monitors / windows.. can't find it anymore though Jan 17 14:34:55 hello all, how would I hide android studio's title bar on OSX ? Jan 17 14:35:05 it's a waste of screen estate for me Jan 17 14:36:35 yenoh, did u tried via View->Enter Fullscreen? Jan 17 14:36:45 the light grayish bar on top of this bar, I mean http://prntscr.com/9r8ggk Jan 17 14:37:15 Do you mean the file tabs? Jan 17 14:37:17 sk8dev_: I wouldn't want to go full screen because I would like to have android studio and terminal side-by-side Jan 17 14:37:33 rubenwardy: no, the title bar with the three button close/minimize/fullscreen Jan 17 14:38:27 sk8dev_: OSX's fullscreen'ed side-by-side is not flexible, I usually set android studio 3/5 screen width and terminal 2/5 screen width Jan 17 14:39:46 yenoh, okay. I'm only running with debian. sorry, I'm out Jan 17 14:39:56 sk8dev_: thanks Jan 17 14:40:02 Same :P Jan 17 14:40:11 rubenwardy: thanks! :D Jan 17 14:49:32 Napalm: Do you know the path to this sqlite database? Jan 17 14:56:41 yenoh, you know you can run terminal inside of studio, right? Jan 17 14:57:01 pfn: yes I do, but I prefer dedicated terminal app Jan 17 14:57:12 pfn: right now I'm on IRC through terminal :D Jan 17 14:58:00 don't irc and code side by side, it's a distraction Jan 17 14:58:21 so true Jan 17 14:58:29 pfn: irc is just one tab of the terminal Jan 17 14:59:05 I have to use ssh, adb and other things Jan 17 14:59:40 * pfn shrugs Jan 17 14:59:52 what you want to do to studio isn't possible Jan 17 15:00:22 and that's a mac thing, for that matter Jan 17 15:05:12 I saw some apps running without being fullscreen yet without that title bar Jan 17 15:05:17 so I think there should be some way Jan 17 15:05:23 pfn: thanks anyway! :D Jan 17 15:11:40 I have a simple app and want to sync some data from a server about twice a day. Can I tell the AlarmManager to schedule my sync-function once a day but only as soon as a internet connection is available? Jan 17 15:12:29 oo_miguel: Shouldn’t the JobScheduler be ideal for this case? Jan 17 15:18:52 justJanne: oh. I never heard of this one. thank you Jan 17 15:19:34 justJanne: Ah. its API21 or higher :P. I need api10 support ;) Jan 17 15:22:09 no one needs api 10 support anymore Jan 17 15:22:29 quite a lot do. Jan 17 15:22:31 unless it's the only device you own Jan 17 15:22:46 One of the most sold devices this year in DE was still with Gingerbread Jan 17 15:22:54 What about not excluding potential markets? Jan 17 15:22:54 Samsung still produces and sells devices with it Jan 17 15:23:07 *in western europe even(!)* Jan 17 15:23:33 http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html Jan 17 15:23:46 rubenwardy, you add potential markets when you need to grow Jan 17 15:23:54 Google play services can not be updated or used on most of these devices anymore Jan 17 15:23:56 you don't include everything up front Jan 17 15:24:07 they don’t have enough space in /data for that Jan 17 15:24:22 justJanne, yes, and they're not worth supporting Jan 17 15:24:26 pfn: Eh, better if you don’t have to rewrite your complete app architecture after that Jan 17 15:24:30 ...or do it right first time? Jan 17 15:24:33 ^ Jan 17 15:24:39 it's not right Jan 17 15:24:44 Supporting only 21+ would disclude 67% of active devices Jan 17 15:24:46 So is there anything I can do on API10 to solve my problem? Maybe after alarmManager fires and I find out there is no internet I reschedule the alarm to fire again in a few hours? Or is there some way to ask the system to tell me as soon as the device goes online? Jan 17 15:25:00 but if you think you're making significant value by supporting api 10 go ahead and do do Jan 17 15:25:01 so Jan 17 15:25:03 oo_miguel: You can fire on network connectivity change, yes Jan 17 15:25:12 I guarantee that you do not Jan 17 15:25:47 You can argue you don't need gingerbread, at 3% Jan 17 15:26:05 but once you get above that you start getting lots of the percentage Jan 17 15:26:15 Well, until the recent update that made google play service stop working on gingerbread, it still had 25% a few months ago... Jan 17 15:26:24 pfn: I simply want to support it (own one device with api10 and still some people use it). I am aware that it woulb be easier to take a higher api. Jan 17 15:26:35 as for "doing it right the first time" there's no such thing Jan 17 15:26:45 justJanne, that is patently false Jan 17 15:26:59 pfn: Look at the stats, it’s provably true Jan 17 15:27:03 justJanne, it's been pitifully low for well over a year Jan 17 15:27:11 In this case, there is. Just use the APIs that work in all cases. Otherwise you'd have to rewrite stuff Jan 17 15:27:14 that stats show it false Jan 17 15:27:34 it hasn't had 25% share in 2 yeara Jan 17 15:27:47 2 years is still within the current support cycle even. Jan 17 15:28:17 And, again, those devices with Gingerbread were still sold in 2015 Jan 17 15:28:20 for *who* Jan 17 15:28:26 for a developer? no Jan 17 15:28:33 For a dev: Definitely Jan 17 15:28:34 I choose who I want to support Jan 17 15:28:44 what do you suggest, abandon anything that isn’t from this week? Jan 17 15:28:48 and I choose those who make me money Jan 17 15:29:39 You know, you are exactly the reason why the laws had to be passed that allowed users to break any DRM or licensing system if the software was incompatible with their own device. Jan 17 15:29:51 sure I am Jan 17 15:30:05 it has nothing to do with device ownership at all Jan 17 15:30:19 making weak stretches are the best Jan 17 15:30:28 Eh, no, it’s literally formulated like that. Jan 17 15:31:00 If a game, or app, or piece of software is not compatible with your system, you can decompile and modify it, and redistribute the modifications for the purpose of making a software you have a license to usable. Jan 17 15:31:15 That’s how the ECJ formulated it 2011 Jan 17 15:31:29 anyway, doing it right = dropping old, unnecessary support Jan 17 15:31:37 Anyway, if you want to abandon everyone not being on the latest devices, Jan 17 15:31:38 anything else makes your code pretty shitty Jan 17 15:31:42 No. Jan 17 15:32:13 look at how stuff is implemented in the support libs, there is absolutely no way you can argue that is how you should architect any sane piece of software Jan 17 15:32:18 That’s why you write a wrapper that abstracts the old and new solution under a common abstraction that allows you to emulate the new functionality on the old solution. Jan 17 15:32:31 It's not unnecessary if 67% of devices don't support it. Jan 17 15:32:51 It does depend on who your market audience is though Jan 17 15:33:02 rubenwardy, what does 65% have to do with anything Jan 17 15:33:14 I said nothing about api 21 Jan 17 15:33:18 And if you want your name to be a trademark of quality, supported software, Jan 17 15:33:20 i said drop api 10 Jan 17 15:33:21 You did Jan 17 15:33:28 read again Jan 17 15:33:39 or if you want it to be a sign for people to see shitty software that will stop being supported tomorrow Jan 17 15:33:39 sorry, I did not want to start a flame war api10 vs api21 ;) Jan 17 15:34:09 Doesn't solve the issue. You suggested a API21 functionality, they said they support API10, you said drop API10 - it doesn't solve the original issue Jan 17 15:34:22 So they still have to support old version Jan 17 15:34:31 Just from API 11 or whatever now Jan 17 15:34:38 I like the idea with monitoring the changes on connectivity very much and this will solve my issue probably Jan 17 15:34:46 thank you justJanne Jan 17 15:35:29 I agree that pre-4.0 isn't worth targetting Jan 17 15:36:55 it depends on if you want to reach the general population, just the businessmen, teens and devs, or if you want to reach just the richer nerds. Jan 17 15:37:15 Exactly. Jan 17 15:37:15 depending on what, you’ll need to supports 2.3.7+, 4.0.4+, or 23+ Jan 17 15:39:17 I am a poor nerd myself and have an api10 and am api13!! (market share 0%??) device :P Jan 17 15:39:18 But then again, if you wish to target #0 or #1, you’ll also need to think about design and marketing a lot more. Jan 17 15:40:36 I never suggested api 21 functionality Jan 17 15:40:39 and I have one api21 device for testing Jan 17 15:40:40 learn to read Jan 17 15:41:06 justJanne: Ah. its API21 or higher :P. I need api10 support ;) Jan 17 15:41:06 no one needs api 10 support anymore Jan 17 15:41:08 the one person who suggested api 21 functionality was the one who argued for supporting api 10 Jan 17 15:41:21 rubenwardy, yes, read Jan 17 15:41:34 I said something distinctly unrelated to api 21 Jan 17 15:42:14 You learn to communicate your intent more - that sounds like you are trying to say that "I need api10 support" isn't a valid reason to not use an API21 functionality Jan 17 15:42:27 would there be another solution for my problem if I drop api10 support but want to stay 4.0.4+ compatible? Jan 17 15:42:30 I never said. that Jan 17 15:42:31 But anyway Jan 17 15:42:39 I understand now Jan 17 15:42:50 It was ambiguous, and I misinterpretted Jan 17 15:42:50 I never said 21 the entire time Jan 17 15:43:32 oo_miguel, should consider api 16+ if not 21+, and connectivity intent with alarm manager will do Jan 17 15:43:35 Anyways, let's drop it, sorry for misunderstanding Jan 17 15:44:43 oo_miguel: minSdk = 16 Jan 17 15:44:46 targetSdk = 23 Jan 17 15:44:48 EOT Jan 17 15:45:04 for that matter, for the vast majority of independent developers, the target market is. their self Jan 17 15:45:35 pfn: thanks. and I absolutely agree about the target market ;) Jan 17 15:45:43 there is really little reason to support a version outside of the device they own Jan 17 15:46:04 which is why I uniquely qualified my statement Jan 17 15:49:39 gordon_, everything works well then? Jan 17 15:57:55 pfn: about sdk or protify ? :D Jan 17 15:58:03 restarted AS over 20 times just today while working because autocomplete stops working or just total stop for all input Jan 17 15:58:07 sorry, I'm late at answering on weekends Jan 17 15:58:10 !<3 Jan 17 15:58:12 it works well now! thanks Jan 17 15:58:27 now looking for good choice of libraires for async calls Jan 17 15:58:49 what do you use ? Just futures ? I wanted to make some web socket calls, so maybe okhttp would be nice.. Jan 17 15:58:58 and wrap it with RxScala Jan 17 15:59:15 gordon_, protify in general, and I mostly use futures Jan 17 15:59:32 I only use rx for things that have multiple. results Jan 17 16:00:11 protify works nice Jan 17 16:00:29 thought I prefer to just launch sbt form console and invoke it there Jan 17 16:00:37 works nicely Jan 17 16:00:48 I do it from IntelliJ Jan 17 16:00:50 what about json parsing ? Jan 17 16:00:54 hitting run is nice Jan 17 16:00:57 Argonaut Jan 17 16:01:16 if you want to do functional parsing Jan 17 16:01:22 json4s otherwise Jan 17 16:01:33 seems nice Jan 17 16:03:33 https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/FingerprintManager.scala Jan 17 16:03:40 example of using rx Jan 17 16:03:52 https://github.com/pfn/keepshare/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/keepshare/PermissionManager.scala Jan 17 16:04:19 and future, they have separate uses, and don't have to be exclusive Jan 17 16:05:01 rxscala looks much better than java Jan 17 16:12:12 sure does Jan 17 16:24:02 ok, I will try to move on of my company's app to scala :) Jan 17 16:24:13 hope will go well Jan 17 16:27:34 they give you the green light? wow Jan 17 16:31:35 gordon_ great for job security :D Jan 17 16:32:09 what's your main motivation for changing to scala? Jan 17 16:32:37 better language Jan 17 16:32:50 what other reasons does one use to seek an alternative to java Jan 17 16:33:10 you never know Jan 17 16:33:19 why scala over kotlin? Jan 17 16:34:03 scala is more powerful, macros, type system, library and 3rd party ecosystem Jan 17 16:34:45 kotlin is wallpapering over java warts Jan 17 16:35:47 why kotlin over scala? simpler grammar, faster compilation Jan 17 16:36:40 and smaller core runtime Jan 17 16:36:46 pfn: nah Jan 17 16:37:06 JitanRo: macwire Jan 17 16:37:33 I like dagger Jan 17 16:37:45 but amount of boilerplate for it is... big Jan 17 16:38:01 I see Jan 17 16:38:22 and dataclasses... Jan 17 16:38:29 sorry, case classes Jan 17 16:38:46 and kotlin... Jan 17 16:38:52 I still like scala better Jan 17 16:39:02 scala collections are really nice Jan 17 16:40:28 I was looking into learning either scala or kotlin, but I'm leaning more towards kotlin because my main job is android dev and it feels like a more useful and maybe shorter step to take. I also enjoy do backend stuff tho Jan 17 16:41:04