**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 10 02:59:59 2016 Feb 10 03:02:19 son of... nevermind, i figured it out, was my getDefaultProgaurdFile... I used the optimized.txt version Feb 10 03:06:01 using optimizations in proguard doesn't work for android Feb 10 03:17:16 Hello all, has anyone used acid music? I want to make a mobile version of that should I use media player? Feb 10 03:20:29 Basically I need to play from 8+ streams at once and I need to seek Feb 10 03:23:46 hi folks Feb 10 03:23:55 i am starting with android studio, i made my app it is working great, but when I install the app, it gets always the default android icon... not the one I placed on mipmap folders! Feb 10 03:24:31 Have you tried stackoverflow? Feb 10 03:24:44 tried a lot on google Feb 10 03:25:57 I have no clue Feb 10 03:26:12 sounds like an easy problem to solve Feb 10 03:26:13 think the words related to this are too common, searches always return to other issues Feb 10 03:26:24 android:icon="@mipmap/mylogo" Feb 10 03:27:01 i followed the guides, placed the images, they even appear on the running apps screen Feb 10 03:27:10 but on the launcher is always the green droid Feb 10 03:27:23 for having a lot of problem, you provide a dearth of detail Feb 10 03:27:35 yep... mipmap/mylogo is correct Feb 10 03:28:00 first i tought it was a cache thing... Feb 10 03:28:09 but cleaned and rebuilded it all Feb 10 03:28:57 still not providing much information Feb 10 03:30:34 assuming the name is correct in the manifest, its probably being cached on the phone. Had a similar issue with a widget Feb 10 03:30:52 installing the package doesn't cache the launcher icon Feb 10 03:31:36 well... Feb 10 03:31:40 it is a cache after all Feb 10 03:31:44 i had an issue where I changed the icon and the old icon persisted on the phone for quite awhile, so it definantly has some sort of save mechanism Feb 10 03:31:51 installed on the phone of my wife and it appears ok Feb 10 03:32:20 i removed the app completely... tought it was all it needs to clear the cache Feb 10 03:32:26 thank you orbyt_ Feb 10 03:32:41 yep Feb 10 03:32:41 thank you pfn Feb 10 03:33:27 I have a OnePlus X, snapdragon 801... could somebody pls tell me how to know the platform? i.e. ARM or ARM64 or x86? Feb 10 03:39:21 update: cleared the cache of the launcher app... worked Feb 10 03:39:28 thankyou guys Feb 10 03:40:32 that's interesting, normally doesn't happen, what launcher? Feb 10 03:42:10 missed him Feb 10 03:42:45 that feeling, when you check company's old app, and main activity has 5k+ lines <3 Feb 10 03:47:14 and now you've rewritten it to be 200 lines while having all the same functionality? :P Feb 10 03:56:20 pfn: I wish ! ;) Feb 10 04:01:34 but yeah, 5k lines is a problem Feb 10 04:23:00 gordon_ what in gods name requires 5k lines of code in 1 activity Feb 10 04:24:30 you dont want to know ;) Feb 10 04:24:54 at least they were nice, and warned me up upfront :D Feb 10 04:33:34 ok, get to it, convert that 5k activity to 100 lines Feb 10 04:33:35 :P Feb 10 04:34:20 first, I would like to remove 'I <3 MainActivity' pattern... Feb 10 04:35:15 gordon_ is that one main activity coordinating a bunch of fragments ? Feb 10 04:35:26 fragments... nice jokes ;) Feb 10 04:35:35 no fragments there Feb 10 04:35:36 lol does this predate fragments :D Feb 10 04:35:44 yep Feb 10 04:36:33 i guess that means you got ant build :D Feb 10 04:37:25 no Feb 10 04:37:26 gradle Feb 10 06:02:21 Hello experts, your opinion on which one comes close as native dev's performance.. Phonegap VS Xamarian ? Feb 10 06:03:56 xamarin Feb 10 06:04:28 pfn: thanks for replying.. the reason for the selection ? Feb 10 06:05:28 but why are you even comparing xamarin vs. phonegap Feb 10 06:06:06 pfn: i thought both are capable of building cross platform applications Feb 10 06:06:15 pfn: please correct me if i am wrong Feb 10 06:06:42 it's competition for the worst thing to write the app ? Feb 10 06:07:07 there's also robovm Feb 10 06:07:24 gordon_: competetion for a quick and ugly solution to get started with cross platforms Feb 10 06:07:34 * tamarind googles robovm Feb 10 06:07:42 waste of time (phonegap) Feb 10 06:07:50 gordon_: why ? Feb 10 06:07:55 because it's slow Feb 10 06:07:59 and users hate it Feb 10 06:08:22 you do /not/ want to get started with cross platform out of the gate Feb 10 06:08:28 you will produce garbage for all platforms Feb 10 06:10:06 pfn: because they compile and build their own code ? is that why you are considerign it as garbage ? Feb 10 06:11:46 no, because you will write something that looks like trash on all platforms Feb 10 06:11:51 and runs like Feb 10 06:12:26 there was some funny thing for that Feb 10 06:12:49 mvvmcross ? Feb 10 06:13:31 someone should that for robovm too Feb 10 06:16:22 pfn: i know the answer to this question depends on users, but on an average how long does it take to write a decent application on android assuming that you have to learn android programming from scratch Feb 10 06:17:18 I assume that means you have 0 programming experience at all Feb 10 06:17:23 depends on what you're writing Feb 10 06:19:59 but since you want to be vague, you get vague answers Feb 10 06:21:04 pfn: a REST based application with payment gateway, access to native features like camera, file manager and some graphical api for dashboard Feb 10 06:22:47 1 day Feb 10 06:22:53 is there any way to stream soundcloud track in android application. Feb 10 06:23:19 it really depends Feb 10 06:23:26 pfn: thats for a person new to android programming ? Feb 10 06:23:31 no, it's a joke Feb 10 06:23:41 oh :P Feb 10 06:24:28 2 Feb 10 06:24:36 jesopo: joke ? Feb 10 06:33:18 hey silly gooses! Feb 10 06:37:51 Hey all. I'm trying to follow a RecyclerView tutorial (with a LinearLayoutManager so it looks like a list view). There's a layout xml for describing the View for each item in the list. The parent ViewGroup in this file is set to LinearLayout with both layout_width and layout_height set to "match_parent". Afaict, an explicit height for the item view is never specified... but when I compile and run everything I get som Feb 10 06:37:51 e nice looking default height on my items anyway Feb 10 06:39:44 After looking around online a bit, I see a few examples where the parent ViewGroup in the item view's layout file uses "match_parent" for its dimensions. This is confusing... what is it matching its dimensions against? Feb 10 06:57:39 hey canurabus Feb 10 06:57:48 first of all, excellent question Feb 10 07:35:38 anyone here? Feb 10 07:35:49 need to ask 1 quick question Feb 10 07:36:01 just ask Feb 10 07:36:25 Have you tried to turn it off and on again ? Feb 10 07:37:14 :D Feb 10 07:37:18 alright, well im following this guide to add filtering in a recyclerview. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29792187/add-a-search-filter-on-recyclerview-with-cards however, i get the error "cannot resolve symbol 'filteredList' and im doing exactly what the guide says to Feb 10 07:37:50 its weird, that shouldnt happen. Feb 10 07:39:06 the variable is final and private within the same class, not sure why it would throw that error Feb 10 07:39:55 remove private Feb 10 07:40:08 but wait Feb 10 07:40:10 the same class Feb 10 07:40:25 yeah this is confusing Feb 10 07:40:32 can you show the code ? Feb 10 07:40:51 sure tihng, its exactly like the one in Stackoverflow. ill upload it, 1 sec Feb 10 07:41:25 http://pastebin.com/w17pKbuB Feb 10 07:42:24 (im just a beginner at this by the way) Feb 10 07:42:53 but still, that shit shouldnt be happeneing Feb 10 07:43:52 you mean adapter.filteredList? Feb 10 07:44:02 adapter has only filteredEffectList Feb 10 07:44:20 yes adapter.filteredList Feb 10 07:45:04 hmm but the stackoverflow answer was accepted, that means it should work right? Feb 10 07:45:19 not always Feb 10 07:45:28 sometimes they are just shortcuts or pseudocodes Feb 10 07:45:54 huh ok. but filteredList is in the class UserFilter, so why wouldnt the method publishResults see it? Feb 10 07:47:15 but EffectAdapter doesnt have filteredList Feb 10 07:48:11 damn it. is there a quick fix to this, or should i just forget it? I tried adding filteredList to EffectAdapter but it said I have to initialize it first or something Feb 10 07:48:53 because its final Feb 10 07:49:09 but try just change adapter.filteredList to adapter.filteredEffectList Feb 10 07:49:29 also this gets more of general java question Feb 10 07:51:09 ah ok. that doesnt work either, theres a whole load of red errors after i do that. anyways, thanks for your help. this is a lost cause. (even though one user got it working: "apart from a small handling of backspace..this answer is amazing.. "– yUdoDis) Feb 10 07:51:48 Controless: no idea Feb 10 07:52:02 I would have to write it Feb 10 07:52:09 yeah no worries, I'll just find another guide Feb 10 07:53:52 this guide is good I think Feb 10 07:54:02 you just need to fix it Feb 10 07:56:58 i think so to, especially since people have confirmed that it has worked Feb 10 07:57:14 ill ask around in the javahelp subreddit and hope to get a response there Feb 10 08:33:15 I'm struggling a little bit with a little program I wrote that periodically polls a bunch of URLs and alerts me if they can't be reached. The issue is that despite my best efforts, I get spurious alarms which have to do with the fact that Android's ConnectivityManager flat out lies about if the network is actually in working condition. Feb 10 08:34:17 I had this program work fine in android 4.x era but I think the more aggressive power saving stuff in android 5 and above may be related. Is there some way I can absolutely demand that Android must establish a working network connection and also wait for it to establish it Feb 10 08:35:00 e.g. cyanogenmod recently released a version for the old galaxy s2 and this one appears to have wi-fi connectivity trouble as well, though it could just be bad drivers too, so no more about that. Feb 10 08:39:05 anyway I'm trying with a partial wake lock now for the duration of the polls, which take a long time because of many retries. I hope that's enough. Feb 10 08:40:39 my prior attempt used broadcastreceiver's goAsync() but it apparently has a 10 second time limit so it starts to complain about ANR during outage situations Feb 10 09:34:53 hello, x86 image emulator, haxm issue - http://s16.postimg.org/6j22gdnat/haxm_debug.png ... kindly help Feb 10 09:35:56 when i run "sc query intelhaxm" it says stopped, when i type sc start intelhaxm it says "The system cannot find the file specified" Feb 10 09:36:02 what could be the issue here ? Feb 10 09:36:11 i ran out of ideas to debug Feb 10 09:38:28 tamarind, did you install haxm? Feb 10 09:38:47 Zharf: installed via sdk and manually Feb 10 09:39:06 when i try to install manually again it asks whether you want to reinstall because it is already installed Feb 10 09:39:15 Zharf: but its not running Feb 10 09:44:14 hi. how do you check if the togglebutton is on or off? which method? Feb 10 09:45:02 Zharf: does your silence mean i have missed something obivous here ? Feb 10 09:45:39 tamarind, no, I'm not sure what to say Feb 10 09:46:06 did you reboot? is VT enabled? Feb 10 09:46:41 superlinux, are you sure you want to use togglebutton? switchcompat is much more modern. anyway, you can use isChecked (if I recall) Feb 10 09:47:06 Zharf: i did not reboot, Feb 10 09:47:59 superlinux, on the other hand you should use probably OnCheckedChangeListener Feb 10 09:48:25 Zharf: how to check if VT is enabled ? Feb 10 09:48:30 * tamarind googles intel vt enablement Feb 10 09:48:32 tamarind, it's a BIOS/UEFI thing Feb 10 09:49:04 Zharf: is this a good material to follow http://www.howtogeek.com/213795/how-to-enable-intel-vt-x-in-your-computers-bios-or-uefi-firmware/ ? Feb 10 09:49:53 Zharf: got it thank you Feb 10 10:17:11 from where can I start with Material Design ? Feb 10 10:17:23 from now Feb 10 10:17:43 want to learn all the fancy stuff that happens Feb 10 10:17:57 great !! but from where ? Feb 10 10:18:05 Hi there Feb 10 10:18:18 There is any good blog or tutorial ? Feb 10 10:18:21 Hi Feb 10 10:18:26 that might be a start https://design.google.com/resources/ Feb 10 10:18:39 http://developer.android.com/design/material/index.html probably Feb 10 10:18:46 Hmm Feb 10 10:18:51 i am looking to revert my marshmallow to lollipop Feb 10 10:18:56 can anyone guide me ? Feb 10 10:18:57 danijoo: last thing i had in my log was a question from you: "is there an easier way to enable/disable offline mode than the button burried deep in the settings menu?" Feb 10 10:19:04 i trried the online guides but really do not understand :/ Feb 10 10:19:07 i got stuck halfway Feb 10 10:19:26 Syzygy, was this a few days a go? Feb 10 10:19:31 i think i remember Feb 10 10:19:36 thursday Feb 10 10:19:36 is there? :P Feb 10 10:19:44 to the right of the AS window should be a gradle drawer, there you can quickly enable and disable it Feb 10 10:19:59 nice. thanks Feb 10 10:20:02 found it Feb 10 10:20:09 no problem Feb 10 10:20:10 K1-new: go to #android or #android-root Feb 10 10:20:23 thanks for that tip Feb 10 10:20:25 ok thanks Ashiren Feb 10 10:20:37 does it increase your build times danijoo? Feb 10 10:21:05 I havent checked yet. Feb 10 10:21:21 im building with jrebel so i would only notice it on clean builds Feb 10 10:21:29 kk Feb 10 10:21:30 suhas_sm: also you could try http://www.androidhive.info/page/2/ Feb 10 10:21:43 and just started a new project :P Feb 10 10:21:50 just = 10 minutes ago Feb 10 10:22:20 another league thing? :P Feb 10 10:22:25 no Feb 10 10:22:35 i already created the ultimative league thig ;) Feb 10 10:22:40 kk Feb 10 10:22:40 :p Feb 10 10:23:19 im messing arround with image encryption Feb 10 10:23:27 its more a just for fun project though Feb 10 10:29:37 Hello everyone, Does anyone have an idea on where i can get a key:value pair of English dictionary word:menaing Feb 10 10:33:57 you'll be better to find a dictionary API -- english is too complex to break down to word:meaning like that Feb 10 10:35:37 Anyone else unable to use the debugger with Samsung S5? Feb 10 10:35:55 or had this problem and fixed it.. Feb 10 10:36:10 that could be anything Feb 10 10:36:30 drivers, usb debugging disabled on phone Feb 10 10:36:38 works fine on my G5 Feb 10 10:36:41 G4 Feb 10 10:36:52 I'm pretty sure it's the S5 Feb 10 10:37:39 AS just doesn't stop on breakpoints Feb 10 10:38:01 so you have adb working normally Feb 10 10:38:25 yeah Feb 10 10:38:33 and you attached the debugger to the process Feb 10 10:40:51 I know how to use the debugger ;) Feb 10 10:43:23 seems to be a common problem on S5 after googling around, figured maybe someone else solved it. Someone wrote they fixed it by upgrading so I was hoping to get this confirmed Feb 10 10:46:16 since my S5 is borked and I need to go to the shop for upgrades Feb 10 10:46:40 Also interested if someone IS able to debug on the S5 Feb 10 10:49:58 hi! Feb 10 10:50:30 Thanks bankai_ Feb 10 10:52:39 Error:(23) Error: The id "textView2" is not defined anywhere. Did you mean textView ? [UnknownId] Feb 10 10:52:52 JitanRo: proguard disabled ? Feb 10 10:53:20 please guide. This is the first "Hello World!" by default app on Android Studio. i might have botched it. thanks Feb 10 10:53:28 gordon_ yup Feb 10 10:53:33 so no idea... Feb 10 10:53:47 smorgasbord, well done on botching hello world Feb 10 10:53:58 Zharf lol Feb 10 10:54:32 https://bpaste.net/show/242ec86165e8 the complete paste Feb 10 10:54:35 smorgasbord, where you happen to refer to textView2, it doesn't exist Feb 10 10:55:01 yep see, there's only one textview and it's called textView Feb 10 10:55:44 so what to do ? Feb 10 10:55:56 remove the reference to textView2 Feb 10 10:55:59 it's obviously not needed Feb 10 10:56:04 line 23, useless Feb 10 10:56:13 should i delete that line or comment it ? Feb 10 10:56:26 # would comment it ? Feb 10 10:56:28 delete, you can't really comment inside an xml element Feb 10 10:56:29 yes Feb 10 10:56:42 well you ca by Feb 10 10:57:19 not in that context Feb 10 10:57:39 you can comment the whole but not attributes in it Feb 10 10:58:08 deleting it for the time being. also would like to comment as well if possible. in future is shall help Feb 10 10:58:54 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26461869/how-to-comment-attributes-inside-xml-tag you can't comment attributes Feb 10 10:58:58 blame xml Feb 10 10:58:58 :p Feb 10 11:02:10 thanks Zharf :) Feb 10 11:08:01 Hey, is there a way to get snackbars that don't violate the guidelines? Feb 10 11:08:28 The snackbars from the design lib show in front of the drawer, even if one stickies them to a background layout Feb 10 11:10:20 there is Feb 10 11:10:28 you gotta make your own Feb 10 11:10:42 or use a library Feb 10 11:11:16 justjanne, i think you have to chose the layout in the drawer as root, and not the drawerLayout Feb 10 11:12:47 justjanne, what if u close the drawer anytime the snackbar is to be shown Feb 10 11:13:48 i used genymotion emulator. nothing pops on the screen .. same code i pasted above ^ Feb 10 11:14:04 pops up on the genymotion window ( phone emulator ) Feb 10 11:14:37 Nnabueze that'd be annoying Feb 10 11:14:46 below gradle ( on right side ) i pressed preview now Feb 10 11:18:14 danijoo, I think your way might work Feb 10 11:21:14 https://gyazo.com/d72913b7cca6ca4c272d758eefc915f0 please guide Feb 10 11:21:51 firewall? Feb 10 11:22:02 no idea. Feb 10 11:22:18 device manager was also open. closed now. rerunning.. wait Feb 10 11:23:01 i should see something here .. nothing pops up https://gyazo.com/f64539dfdd8396eb3a63776e47d29482 Feb 10 11:42:49 Need some suggestions regarding api to allow users to customise views. Feb 10 11:44:10 I have a custom marker on my map. what would be the best strategy to allows a developer to customise this marker ? Feb 10 11:46:38 let them pass a drawable Feb 10 11:49:26 My marker has a text view and image, a developer should be allowed to replace this with any thing they want Feb 10 11:49:56 how do I user the ids of the layout being passed ? Feb 10 11:50:06 how do I use the ids of the layout being passed ? Feb 10 11:50:19 Can we get ids at the run time ? Feb 10 11:51:11 why ids? Feb 10 11:51:40 if I have to update lets say a text field in the passed view Feb 10 11:51:53 you'll have to know the id beforehand Feb 10 11:52:32 they're generated at compile time Feb 10 11:54:06 hmm thats correct Feb 10 11:54:30 Was wondering how far can take this customising thing Feb 10 12:01:57 in theory you can provide overridable method to create the marker layout and set it up in any way that is necessary, then tell users to override your class and use theirs with the right method Feb 10 12:02:17 that should be flexible at least Feb 10 12:02:52 hmm Feb 10 12:11:30 Too much of restrictions wrt to marker :'( has to be a bitmap only. Feb 10 12:13:35 hey morning Feb 10 12:13:50 any recommendation on what library i should use to connect to my web socket server? Feb 10 12:23:42 I tried okhttp-ws a few months ago but had some problems with it and didn't have enough time to look at it again Feb 10 12:24:02 I still need to find a solution for that at some point as well Feb 10 12:24:12 I didn't like any of the "larger" websocket libraries Feb 10 12:27:09 If someone knows: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35315291/after-intercepting-a-touch-event-how-to-give-it-back-to-a-child Feb 10 12:34:51 Hey, I create a file within the app and I'd like to save it in the device's Downloads folder. Any pointers on how to do that? lets say permissions are not an issue Feb 10 12:35:59 aviran, what exactly is the problem with that? -.- Feb 10 12:36:36 Getting the location of the Download folder in runtime? Feb 10 12:36:51 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html#getExternalStoragePublicDirectory(java.lang.String) Feb 10 12:37:40 oh, didnt know that's that... thanks Feb 10 12:46:11 So, I found out: after a user does about 60 fraudulent ad clicks per hour, for 3-4 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 6-7 weeks, AdMob stops displaying ads for that user. Feb 10 12:47:08 Source: I use Firefox' integrated linkbubble functionality (clicking a link loads it in background, unobtrusive) and the apps I use all have AdMob ads in the bottom, so almost every time I want to scroll I accidentally click one, Feb 10 12:47:26 Leading to quite a few accidental clicks. Feb 10 12:47:37 $-- Feb 10 12:47:39 Anyway, today AdMob began to just display empty ads, or no ads at all to me. Feb 10 12:47:49 cool Feb 10 12:47:55 I hope the creators of the apps don't get hurt Feb 10 12:48:09 though I don't see ads anyway because I write my own versions of the apps I use that might've had ads Feb 10 12:48:15 Also, I hope ad mob doesn't bill the advertisers for accidental clocks. Feb 10 12:48:16 if they don't have a pay version Feb 10 12:48:45 Yeah, I usually do that, too, but I'm too lazy to do that for a reddit reader, and with relay the ads just suddenly appear in the bottom. Feb 10 12:49:24 I've got like 97 tabs in Firefox open right now, all with the link from the audible ad that it tried to show me today. Feb 10 12:50:14 I seriously wonder if this hurts advertiser and/or app developer. This is something Google should just not count, because accidental clicks like these should be prevented by the ad framework. Feb 10 12:50:45 I thought they had added "click twice within of 5sec" to open, but somehow that only happened for a few days. Feb 10 12:56:01 I have no sympathy towards advertisers or people who receive their money Feb 10 12:56:32 ads are the scourge of the modern society Feb 10 13:02:03 yeah its really sad that people cant live from air and love solely.. Feb 10 13:04:19 freaking android. stop touching my music stream volume Feb 10 13:05:32 danijoo, people should get real jobs ;) Feb 10 13:05:48 like not being programmer? Feb 10 13:06:04 hithere Feb 10 13:07:21 danijoo, programmer is fine as long as you're doing something productive, not just platforms to ship more ads in, like most people seem to be doing Feb 10 13:07:42 Zharf what if I'm building platforms that build platforms to ship more ads in? Feb 10 13:07:46 Zharf, nobody pays for apps. In a lot of cases you need ads Feb 10 13:07:55 because people dont want to pay for content these days Feb 10 13:08:02 I pay for useful apps Feb 10 13:08:10 so you are everyone? Feb 10 13:08:23 obviously ;) Feb 10 13:08:36 If this would be true, this would be an adfree world Feb 10 13:08:37 but I will do everything in my power to kill ads Feb 10 13:08:46 spoiler: you will fail Feb 10 13:09:18 companies sell what people buy. and you can compare the ad and payed version of any app you want and see what makes more revenue Feb 10 13:09:20 casadogg, well, I don't have any ads on any of my devices Feb 10 13:09:23 it is always the ad-version Feb 10 13:09:27 thats why there are ads Feb 10 13:09:51 well good job Feb 10 13:10:11 I have simple selector rect. with rounded corners http://pastebin.com/PJzJF9QN, I am applying it to TextView as a background http://pastebin.com/tryZbTmF, I would like to change color (from code) of TextViews background and preserv round corners defined in selector. What I have in code is here http://pastebin.com/5M6gNug1 . Problem is that this changes not only color but removes corner settings as could be seen here http://snag.gy/mFj7K.jpg (first Feb 10 13:10:11 before applying setColorFilter(), second after) Feb 10 13:10:19 ads will be manifested in a new form if everyone ends up blocking ads Feb 10 13:10:31 besides there's nothing wrong with ads Feb 10 13:10:45 there's everything wrong with ads Feb 10 13:10:56 so you're against flappy bird Feb 10 13:10:59 that's what you're saying Feb 10 13:11:05 I don't want my life cluttered with useless shit I don't need Feb 10 13:11:05 or rather, people making money off flappy bird Feb 10 13:11:11 then don't buy Feb 10 13:11:11 yes Feb 10 13:11:15 ignore the ads Feb 10 13:11:17 simple Feb 10 13:11:29 Of course I am searching whether someone has same problem and yes, but I have not found any workaroudn for it - one of them is suggesting setColor() - problem is that thi is in API21 - my min is API15 Feb 10 13:11:32 only way to ignore the ads are to burn them Feb 10 13:11:47 dont use apps with ads if you dont want Feb 10 13:11:53 very simple Feb 10 13:12:02 I'm physically incapable of ignoring large flashing lights Feb 10 13:12:33 danijoo, sure, I write my own versions of apps I find useful but they don't offer adfree versions Feb 10 13:12:49 yeah thats fine Feb 10 13:12:52 gj Feb 10 13:13:05 dont forget to put them in the store :) Feb 10 13:13:06 then what are you bitching about Feb 10 13:13:42 casadogg, that ads are a thing that people must suffer Feb 10 13:13:53 s/must/want Feb 10 13:13:57 they're the scourge of the society, like I said Feb 10 13:13:59 QUestion is - how to change programmatically color of background shape - without affecting its shape settings for at least API15+? Feb 10 13:14:15 I find it hard to believe anyone actually wants ads Feb 10 13:14:21 communism is the scourge of society Feb 10 13:14:35 communist ads are the root of all evil Feb 10 13:15:10 if everyone whould have payed a price for the media they consume, the model of ads would have never been risen Feb 10 13:15:39 the fact that it has already shows that people prefer anooying ads over paying Feb 10 13:15:41 sad but true Feb 10 13:16:06 people pay for netflix Feb 10 13:16:23 people also pay for cars.. Feb 10 13:16:29 exactly Feb 10 13:16:36 my point being why are we discussing ads Feb 10 13:16:37 but people dont pay for blog articles Feb 10 13:16:39 they're not going away Feb 10 13:16:43 but they want blog articles Feb 10 13:16:48 why would you pay for blog articles Feb 10 13:16:55 and they want apps but dont pay for them Feb 10 13:17:03 i read it because they are free, if they weren't i wouldn't read them Feb 10 13:17:15 you don't understand Feb 10 13:17:17 they arent free. they cost your data Feb 10 13:17:33 yeh whatever I adblock the shit out of everything Feb 10 13:17:57 My point is that if blog articles weren't free, people wouldn't pay for them because they don't really want them Feb 10 13:18:01 they want to kill time Feb 10 13:18:03 yeah. its ok to be an asshole. a lot of people are Feb 10 13:18:12 and blog articles are a way for people to kill time Feb 10 13:18:21 instead of doing their jobs Feb 10 13:18:55 there are people whose job it is to blog Feb 10 13:19:13 ads are a way to offer something people don't need for "free" Feb 10 13:19:22 while earning money Feb 10 13:20:02 people write blogs for living? that's bullshit Feb 10 13:20:35 Some do, very few Feb 10 13:20:36 Zharf, there are blogs that are written for living, yes Feb 10 13:20:49 for example https://netzpolitik.org/ Feb 10 13:20:53 (german link) Feb 10 13:22:16 for example Feb 10 13:22:18 those people need real jobs Feb 10 13:22:25 do you think sites like 9gag would exist without ads? Feb 10 13:22:28 who cares about advertisement philosophy roots on androide-dev channel, discuss this flame ware somewhere else Feb 10 13:22:30 who the hell would pay to look at memes Feb 10 13:22:32 lol Feb 10 13:22:42 I would rather they didn't exist at all Feb 10 13:23:33 bolovanos, anyone who brings up implementing ads or revenue from them in here Feb 10 13:23:37 :p Feb 10 13:24:14 or even facebook Feb 10 13:24:40 I'm starting to agree with you, all the useless stuff exist due to ads Feb 10 13:24:45 * danijoo lives from ads right now. #burnMe :p Feb 10 13:25:28 danijoo free apps? Feb 10 13:25:48 how many? Feb 10 13:25:56 free or adfree. Feb 10 13:26:07 adfree earns close to nothing, adversion a living Feb 10 13:26:33 as long as developers also offer paid adfree versions, I might support them Feb 10 13:26:50 sleep as android did it the best, two weeks noads trial Feb 10 13:27:41 plus noads paid version of course Feb 10 13:28:20 too bad you are not everyone ;) everyone else prefer the adbanner over one time $0.9 Feb 10 13:29:27 I'd happily live off ads Feb 10 13:30:04 casadogg, what a double moral Feb 10 13:31:35