**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 01 02:59:59 2016
May 01 03:29:32 <zeonicore> Is there a way to redraw everything on the screen, including both the current activity and any system ui elements?
May 01 03:31:57 <pfn> to be effective, you should be well versed in java
May 01 03:32:07 <pfn> to putz around, you can be whatever level
May 01 03:32:40 <pfn> most people seem to know just nothing about java and stackoverflow their way to victory
May 01 03:34:16 <zeonicore> Is there a good resource for android-related terminology? I have trouble asking questions because I'm not always sure what each component is called.
May 01 03:39:08 <g00s> i notice the gapps use a lot of custom views in com.google.android.libraries, must be their 'in-house' support lib
May 01 03:39:19 <g00s> but they also use a lot of support lib stuff
May 01 04:01:29 <liuwenhao> Quick question because I don't have the ability to test it currently: Will an app targetting API22 crash on a 6.0+ device if a dangerous permission is used (i.e. camera?)
May 01 04:01:35 <liuwenhao> Or is that only if the app is targetting API23?
May 01 04:03:05 <liuwenhao> Or is the permission permanently granted to the app targetting API22 (since camera permission is in manifest)
May 01 04:09:32 <liuwenhao> Hope my question makes sense ... have to work on a new app that I didn't write the code for but having problems on marshmallow devices
May 01 06:19:30 <RustyShackleford> I like rxjava
May 01 06:19:39 <RustyShackleford> listeners can be a total mess
May 01 06:20:17 <RustyShackleford> its just like a standardized way to implement a listener... sorta
May 01 06:49:51 <nickirc> i have android keystore file which is said to be a release key, is it possible to verify this against previously released app?
May 01 06:56:59 <pfn> use jarsigner -verify
May 01 06:58:38 <nickirc> hi is that a way to verify a single apk?
May 01 07:06:19 <thepoosh> nickirc: if you try to upload a signed apk that was signed with a different key it will fail (same for install)
May 01 07:09:54 <nickirc> i'm confused between jarsigner command and keytool -list -v -keystore command
May 01 07:10:10 <nickirc> i have the key, got it from other developer and confused what to do with it
May 01 07:10:22 <nickirc> eventually need to sign the apk and release myself
May 01 07:11:49 <thepoosh> nickirc: just create the signed apk and try upgrading the apk
May 01 07:12:35 <nickirc> ok
May 01 07:25:52 <nickirc> and the other question, we have developers distributed around
May 01 07:25:59 <nickirc> what would be the best way to share this keystore?
May 01 07:26:20 <nickirc> we have private repo, would that be a good way to just put keystore?
May 01 07:26:27 <nickirc> and share among members..
May 01 07:39:58 <thepoosh> nickirc: the keystore should probably be in your source control
May 01 07:40:20 <thepoosh> and the keys should not be distributed, but on the build machine that you should have
May 01 07:40:49 <nickirc> guess i'm not understanding difference between keystore and the key
May 01 07:41:10 <nickirc> i just ysed this keystreo explorer, and was able to verify my key with the password
May 01 07:41:14 <nickirc> what does that mean?
May 01 07:41:49 <Ashiren> hm?
May 01 07:41:51 <nickirc> think i'm seeing keypair inside keystore but is key separate from keystore?
May 01 07:41:58 <Ashiren> eeyup
May 01 07:42:13 <Ashiren> you can change password without changing the key
May 01 07:42:17 <nickirc> i see
May 01 07:42:34 <nickirc> but keystore always moves around with key right?
May 01 07:42:46 <nickirc> so i commit the keystore in source control(private) then it's ok?
May 01 07:43:00 <nickirc> been going through article with pros/cons on that
May 01 07:43:17 <nickirc> but i'm leaning towards committing..
May 01 07:45:01 <Ashiren> well at my work we have production keystore in building machine
May 01 07:45:10 <Ashiren> and just debug one in repository
May 01 07:49:28 <nickirc> oh
May 01 07:49:45 <nickirc> hmm, we don't have separete build machine, developers are distributed
May 01 07:50:04 <nickirc> and we host project on private bitbucket
May 01 07:50:34 <spudowiar> nickirc: never commit keystore in source repository
May 01 07:50:38 <spudowiar> nickirc: distribute it separately
May 01 07:50:45 <nickirc> ok..
May 01 07:50:50 <spudowiar> nickirc: it may come back to haunt you later on
May 01 07:51:12 <nickirc> i guess not then, thank you all
May 01 07:51:53 <spudowiar> np
May 01 07:52:28 <nickirc> another quick question, i'm trying to call rest api (google/yelp) to get the json output, what would be the best(simplest) way to achieve that? (asyncTask?)
May 01 07:52:54 <nickirc> and... is there a handy way out there to parse returned json test?
May 01 07:53:01 <thepoosh> nickirc: use a library like Retrofit or Volley
May 01 07:53:16 <thepoosh> and GSON, Jackson, org.json etc.
May 01 07:53:21 <thepoosh> I suggest reading up
May 01 07:54:10 <spudowiar> nickirc: also, I suggest abstracting it to a class
May 01 07:54:42 <spudowiar> nickirc: e.g. have a class that gets the data, parses it into a simple class
May 01 07:54:51 <spudowiar> nickirc: never use the API directly where you need it
May 01 07:54:56 <spudowiar> nickirc: maybe even use a ContentProvider
May 01 07:56:23 <nickirc> thank you thepoosh, spudowiar
May 01 07:56:34 <spudowiar> nickirc: np
May 01 07:57:12 <nickirc> spudowiar ok i get the separate class idea, we have to to do this with separate thread right?
May 01 07:57:19 <spudowiar> yep
May 01 07:57:29 <spudowiar> nickirc: look into ContentProviders as well
May 01 07:57:36 <spudowiar> nickirc: sometimes they can be more useful
May 01 07:57:43 <nickirc> ok
May 01 08:44:20 <quasar_71> Guys i wanna make an app that pulls images from a Facebook page and sets them as wallpaper, where do i start?
May 01 08:46:01 <tim241> Google
May 01 08:46:47 <Odaym> first lookup how to integrate Facebook login
May 01 08:48:50 <quasar_71> Problem is Facebook authentication,it says unauthorized even after i put in my api key,
May 01 08:49:32 <Odaym> they have the steps clearly outlined, it works with me
May 01 08:50:48 <quasar_71> Oh ok,so i pull out album images and store em to local folder then set as background?
May 01 08:51:48 <Odaym> if that's what you want to do..
May 01 08:52:55 <quasar_71> Can i directly set an online image as wallpaper?
May 01 08:53:44 <Odaym> "directly"?
May 01 08:53:56 <Odaym> you have to grab it first and then its yours, then you can do whatever you want with it
May 01 08:54:35 <quasar_71> Ok thanks
May 01 08:58:58 <Odaym> Im actually working on something similar to that
May 01 08:59:02 <Odaym> if you solve it, tell me how
May 01 08:59:13 <Odaym> make it copy/pastable
May 01 09:00:34 <quasar_71> Definitely!
May 01 09:09:04 <rahuldev> hi, on ubuntu I downloaded android sdk, Is I also need to let android studio download android sdk?
May 01 09:11:18 <LegendThinker> rahuldev, didn't it asked to give path to your sdk?
May 01 09:11:57 <szx> hello
May 01 09:11:59 <szx> can somebody please tell me wtf is wrong with this code: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36815325/android-notification-action-intent-is-not-fired
May 01 09:12:38 <rahuldev> LegendThinker, I gone to configure-sdk-> there I provide path... still there saying: total download size: 411MB
May 01 09:13:52 <LegendThinker> rahuldev, I am not sure but but when I was in your situation I got no other way than download.
May 01 09:14:09 <rahuldev> and the path i give there said And existing android sdk was detected..
May 01 09:14:24 <rahuldev> LegendThinker, thanks then I'll also download! :)
May 01 09:14:59 <LegendThinker> You can wait too if this download gonna cost you too much
May 01 09:15:15 <LegendThinker> till someone with better experience respond
May 01 09:16:18 <rahuldev> Hm not cost, unlimited internet.. with moderate speed just need to wait.. for next 3 hours. :D
May 01 09:17:25 <rahuldev> LegendThinker, I was thinking... Android SDK that I downloded is already above 600 mb and now to download extra 400 mb
May 01 09:18:29 <LegendThinker> rahuldev, 400 MB :D. Chill there are GBs you will be needing in few days
May 01 09:19:57 <rahuldev> Wow!, I just started Android Studio.
May 01 09:20:03 <rahuldev> Thanks for help!
May 01 09:21:00 <LegendThinker> rahuldev, your welcome
May 01 09:23:59 <rahuldev> Legend thinker, If I format my computer, or use another computer with same OS, will I need to redownload it, Or I can reuse it all these?
May 01 09:25:02 <Ashiren> you can reuse it
May 01 09:25:53 <rahuldev> ok, Thanks Ashiren.
May 01 09:28:09 <nickirc> retrofit library looks awesome!
May 01 09:37:22 <Ashiren> eeyup
May 01 09:37:59 <Ashiren> you might want to use http://www.jsonschema2pojo.org/
May 01 09:38:17 <Ashiren> check JSON and Gson and paste the json you want to parse
May 01 09:39:04 <Zharf> when I first found that site it was great but I soon realised that editing the files to be like I want was more effort than just writing them myself :p
May 01 09:44:21 <rahuldev> Is everything going right, My android studio from 15 minutes still at http://oi63.tinypic.com/2rm3029.jpg
May 01 09:44:47 <Odaym> use imgur
May 01 09:45:09 <Odaym> tinypic is like 1998
May 01 09:45:13 <Ashiren> 15 minutes eh?
May 01 09:45:15 <Ashiren> what about imageshack
May 01 09:45:24 <Odaym> 2001
May 01 09:45:35 <Odaym> imgur is the future, and the future is now
May 01 09:47:08 <rahuldev> http://imgur.com/dY2G6vl
May 01 09:47:43 <Odaym> it's still downloading
May 01 09:47:53 <Odaym> it's not an error
May 01 09:48:21 <Odaym> you can just cancel and try again if you like, nothing will explode
May 01 09:48:47 <rahuldev> Odaym, ok thanks,
May 01 09:49:01 <Odaym> Odaym, friend to the common man
May 01 09:49:04 <Odaym> helper of the helpless
May 01 09:49:30 <rahuldev> :):):)
May 01 09:50:04 <Odaym> issuing misleading information based on 2 minutes of Google, since 2012
May 01 10:18:04 <rahuldev> Is 2 gb ram ok for android studio, and android dev?
May 01 10:18:29 <Zharf> I struggled with 8G, 16 is nice ;)
May 01 10:19:04 * thepoosh agrees with Zharf
May 01 10:19:21 <thepoosh> still struggling with 8gb
May 01 10:19:31 <rahuldev> uf, even games don't take that much RAM.
May 01 10:19:32 <dpyro> 2gb and java = nope
May 01 10:19:57 <thepoosh> rahuldev: games use the GPU for that
May 01 10:20:04 <thepoosh> and gpus have much RAM
May 01 10:20:17 <rahuldev> hm...
May 01 10:21:07 <thepoosh> rahuldev: http://imgur.com/wjDpsvh
May 01 10:21:22 <thepoosh> and I'm not running anything at the moment
May 01 10:21:40 <rahuldev> 8gb and 16 gb is too much, I've 4gb, 2gb + 2gb, but lost one slot, and now only 1 slot left.. my luck.
May 01 10:22:29 <Zharf> I'm not sure if I've seen a computer with less than 4G memory in the last 10 years or so
May 01 10:22:32 <Zharf> :p
May 01 10:23:00 <rahuldev> thepoosh, in your screen shot is it taking around 1.38 gb
May 01 10:23:16 <danijoo> gradle needs another 2 gb ;)
May 01 10:23:16 <rahuldev> Zharf :) :)
May 01 10:24:04 <thepoosh> rahuldev: not including the rest of the system
May 01 10:24:19 <rahuldev> gradle means.
May 01 10:24:25 <thepoosh> do you need the complete window for me to prove that gradle + java + AS are more than 2GB?
May 01 10:25:10 <rahuldev> I don't know what gradle what exactly is?
May 01 10:25:19 <danijoo> the building tool
May 01 10:25:34 <danijoo> the thing that does the work ;)
May 01 10:25:41 <Zharf> aaanyway, you can try to run it but you'll be swapping like crazy
May 01 10:25:50 <Zharf> it won't be pleasant
May 01 10:26:33 <rahuldev> end to end I need new upgraded system.
May 01 10:29:03 <rahuldev> Thanks for suggestions! :)
May 01 10:52:57 <mRokita> hello
May 01 10:54:18 <LegendThinker> I need something like nested list in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pilhuhn/hawkfx/master/docs/screenshot.png
May 01 10:54:59 <LegendThinker> or any other way we can represent that in android
May 01 10:55:09 <mRokita> i have a problem using a ViewPager+FragmentPagerAdapter with TabLayout inside a Fragment - the TabLayout shows tabs but the ViewPager is blank
May 01 10:57:12 <mRokita> Code: https://gist.github.com/mRokita/2cf81184ca6c98470a8ff08f56bac346
May 01 10:59:48 <mRokita> effect: http://screencloud.net/v/4r62 - the ViewPager should have white background and display a fragment with some random text in a TextView, it's blank instead
May 01 11:04:13 <Twirl> LegendThinker: that's a tree like structure
May 01 11:06:15 <Twirl> LegendThinker: https://github.com/bmelnychuk/AndroidTreeView ?
May 01 11:11:52 <LegendThinker> Twirl, thanks, more suggestions? :)
May 01 11:26:32 <danijoo> I cant see a nested list there :/
May 01 11:30:00 <Odaym> that library is really great
May 01 11:34:29 <anotheryou> Hi. I want to capture the volume-up button while the screen is off. The documentation says I should use setVolumeControlStream(), but I won't be using it for audio. Should I still use it, keep it from hitting maximum and read that volume setting out (i just want to see if volume-up is hit)? or is there a better way?
May 01 11:34:53 <anotheryou> It's hacky, but sounds simple
May 01 11:38:51 <Odaym> is this available for any of you? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.printicapp.printic
May 01 11:39:23 <danijoo> Odaym, yes
May 01 11:39:32 <Odaym> think it's a country issue?
May 01 11:39:43 <Odaym> I have an N5, says it's incompatible
May 01 11:41:36 <danijoo> no idea but compatible with my n5x
May 01 11:42:25 <Odaym> yea it's a country issue, looked for it from the other device, still doesn't show up in the listings
May 01 11:44:35 <thepoosh> danijoo: HAI
May 01 11:44:52 <danijoo> thepoosh, !
May 01 11:49:52 <thepoosh> what's news?
May 01 11:50:01 <thepoosh> seen anything interesting lately?
May 01 11:50:28 <Odaym> I think that's one of the most broad questions I've ever heard
May 01 11:50:46 <thepoosh> well, it's a slow day at work
May 01 11:50:53 <Odaym> its Sunday..
May 01 11:50:57 <Odaym> what're you doing working
May 01 11:51:09 <thepoosh> in Israel Sunday is just another day
May 01 11:51:20 <Odaym> ...when's the weekend
May 01 11:51:20 <thepoosh> Friday and Saturday are the off days
May 01 11:51:26 <Odaym> ah like Arab countries
May 01 11:51:37 <tim241> hi
May 01 11:51:49 <thepoosh> I think Arabs have Thursday and Friday
May 01 11:51:50 <thepoosh> no?
May 01 11:51:52 <thepoosh> tim241: HAI
May 01 11:52:03 <danijoo> you should call your sundays mondays...
May 01 11:52:04 <Odaym> no it's Friday and Saturday
May 01 11:52:08 <tim241> thepoosh how are you?
May 01 11:52:11 <danijoo> that would make the world a bit easier to understand :p
May 01 11:52:12 <Odaym> they do think of them like that too
May 01 11:52:15 <thepoosh> slow day
May 01 11:52:26 <tim241> I am currently syncing the repo from android
May 01 11:52:33 <tim241> takes forever
May 01 11:52:38 <thepoosh> yep
May 01 11:57:12 <Odaym> ah, piratebay's up again!
May 01 11:57:20 <Odaym> *fuzzy feelings*
May 01 11:57:44 <danijoo> it was down?
May 01 11:57:57 <Odaym> yesterday yea
May 01 11:58:45 <thepoosh> who noticed?
May 01 11:59:17 <Odaym> strange how the .se domain has lived with them for a while now
May 01 11:59:23 <Odaym> no new .ms or .za or anything like that
May 01 12:00:34 <danijoo> piratebay.. burning domains since 2010
May 01 12:00:52 <Odaym> I had a beer with one of the founders once
May 01 12:00:59 <Odaym> super awkward
May 01 12:01:44 <thepoosh> Odaym: awkward how?
May 01 12:02:11 <Odaym> well I was much younger and I wanted to impress him somehow but had nothing to say really
May 01 12:02:29 <thepoosh> oh well, very awkward
May 01 12:02:32 <danijoo> so you were the awkward one :p
May 01 12:02:37 <Odaym> yea he just walked away
May 01 12:02:39 <tim241> sudo rm -rf / will give you OP rights
May 01 12:02:54 <Odaym> peter sunde, the guy behind flattr
May 01 12:02:58 <Odaym> not the imprisoned guy
May 01 12:03:05 <thepoosh> tim241: I actually just saw a question on stackexchange for this
May 01 12:03:08 <danijoo> tim241 wants a ban i guess :p
May 01 12:03:16 <tim241> no
May 01 12:03:28 <tim241> it is just stupid if people believe that
May 01 12:03:36 <Odaym> who would
May 01 12:03:39 <tim241> so it is a social experiment
May 01 12:03:44 <Odaym> first they have to understand what OP is
May 01 12:03:52 <tim241> xD
May 01 12:03:53 <Odaym> OP has nothing to do with superuser or anything related to a computer
May 01 12:03:58 <Odaym> it's Original Poster
May 01 12:04:02 <Odaym> from 4chan
May 01 12:04:42 <thepoosh> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=revert+rm+rf+%2F+linux+
May 01 12:05:00 <Odaym> revert :P
May 01 12:05:16 <Odaym> I once did that, when it's done you won't even have access to `ls` or to close a window
May 01 12:05:48 <Odaym> all you can do is power the machine off by hand
May 01 12:13:46 <harryparry> An activity is bound to a already started service and then we call stopSelf() from the service. Will the service still keep on running as we have not unbound it from the activity?
May 01 12:33:34 <thepoosh> how do I know which jni class is connected to a java class if I have the entire source of a project?
May 01 12:57:44 <Adyrhan> Oh I see they updated a little bit the android emulator interface
May 01 12:58:48 <danijoo> Adyrhan, its also much faster
May 01 13:00:45 <Adyrhan> yup, it's got a fingerprint simulator, though I don't see how that works
May 01 13:02:42 <Adyrhan> uh, they deprecated -scale flag thats kind of a problem for me
May 01 13:02:52 <Adyrhan> I wonder if they have a replacement
May 01 13:12:48 <Adyrhan> oh the window is resizable now, so the scale flag is useless :D
May 01 13:52:22 <cyource> Hey guys, anyone know how to deal with this: Error:Project ':nativeactivity' does not export native artifacts
May 01 13:52:52 <cyource> For a native android app without any java components.
May 01 13:56:39 <pfn> export native artifacts
May 01 13:58:50 <cyource> yea
May 01 13:59:39 <cyource> pfn but how?
May 01 14:00:31 <pfn> you give nothing to go on, dunno, and I don't use gradle
May 01 14:02:03 <cyource> pfn I am following this project: https://github.com/googlesamples/android-ndk/tree/master/native-activity/app/src/main
May 01 14:02:22 <cyource> Also - I'm using Intellij IDEA
May 01 14:06:13 <pfn> and what happens when you gradlew assemble that project?
May 01 14:09:43 <cyource> pfn Forgive me, but I don't know how to do that
May 01 14:09:59 <pfn> by typing that in the console...
May 01 14:11:47 <cyource> pfn Oh ok, I was typing it wrong. The build failed
May 01 14:12:48 <cyource> Exception thrown while executing model rule: NdkComponentModelPlugin.Rules#createNativeLibrary > create(native-activity) > components.native-activity.getBinaries() > withType()
May 01 14:13:11 <pfn> then look at why it failes
May 01 14:13:49 <cyource> pfn ok
May 01 14:23:13 <LegendThinker> Can anyone please name the standard api for TreeView
May 01 14:30:33 <pfn> there is no tree view
May 01 14:57:30 <LegendThinker> pfn, I need something like https://github.com/bmelnychuk/AndroidTreeView
May 01 14:58:29 <LegendThinker> but from more reliable source like zxing for barcode scanning
May 01 15:01:59 <danijoo> what makes a source reliable?
May 01 15:06:00 <AKK9> Has anyone used bottomsheets?
May 01 15:06:11 <AKK9> From the design support lib?
May 01 15:06:44 <danijoo> im using an external lib for that..
May 01 15:07:01 <danijoo> but mainly because bottom sheets werent available back when i implemented them
May 01 15:08:43 <AKK9> I am having an issue with it :(
May 01 15:08:47 <AKK9> I think it's a bug.
May 01 15:08:57 <AKK9> When I use set state it doesn't slide it just appears
May 01 15:09:10 <AKK9> Sometimes it slides, most of the time it doesnt
May 01 15:09:50 <AKK9> For some reason it only happens after I have mutated drawables on some of the views in the bottomsheet
May 01 15:12:17 <LegendThinker> danijoo, I want to use that api for my gsoc project and they want the api that they can depend that it will not break.
May 01 15:12:37 <LegendThinker> in near future
May 01 15:12:55 <danijoo> Why should it break if you checkout a github repo?
May 01 15:13:04 <danijoo> or depend on that
May 01 15:14:53 <LegendThinker> danijoo, I am not so well known of all this but faced a lot of lines like these from org when was selecting api for barcode reader.
May 01 15:15:17 <danijoo> if you specify the version you want to depend on in gradle it wont break
May 01 15:15:31 <danijoo> unless the maintainer decides to remove it from jCenter, which doesnt happen often.
May 01 15:17:40 <LegendThinker> danijoo, ok thanks a lot :)
May 01 15:33:21 <pfn> people that remove stuff from jcenter should be banned from jcenter
May 01 15:45:51 <Mavrik> ugh.
May 01 15:46:00 <Mavrik> pfn, that's why I always have a proxy Nexus setup :/
May 01 15:46:19 <pfn> until your proxy gets cleaned out for whatever reason
May 01 16:00:30 <YouCallItFar> hm. is there no way to get name of default system font?
May 01 16:00:56 <YouCallItFar> android is really a maximum category disaster for provoding system font info to apps
May 01 16:01:42 <YouCallItFar> uniquely poor amongst all major platforms
May 01 16:03:22 <YouCallItFar> it seems what othe terminal app, text messenger app, people do, is when they see a unicode glyph, they look up its unicode language block, and they try opeing a bunch of /system/font/FontnameameLanguage.ttf patterns
May 01 16:03:57 <YouCallItFar> this really sucks.  and since my app runs on every major platform i have the experience to say android is the worst
May 01 16:04:11 <pfn> of course there is a way
May 01 16:04:54 <YouCallItFar> you would think so.  that was me 48 hour ago
May 01 16:09:25 <Odaym> you're not harming us by saying android is bad, we didnt make it
May 01 16:09:28 <Odaym> bash it all you want
May 01 16:09:34 <Odaym> you're still without an answer
May 01 16:09:52 <YouCallItFar> yeah i know it will take long time for google to change it
May 01 16:10:08 <YouCallItFar> but someone has to raise alarm as to the issue itself
May 01 16:10:21 <Odaym> yea you're Batman
May 01 16:10:28 <Odaym> go save the platform from this impending danger
May 01 16:10:30 <YouCallItFar> its a pretty glaring oversight
May 01 16:10:52 <yawkat> oversights in the android ecosystem? well i never...
May 01 16:13:22 <pfn> YouCallItFar, https://github.com/pfn/qicr/blob/master/src/main/scala/com/hanhuy/android/irc/fonts.scala
May 01 16:14:18 <YouCallItFar> yeah you can scan all the files in /system/fonts yourself
May 01 16:14:18 <yawkat> pfn: he did mention that method.
May 01 16:15:05 <YouCallItFar> thats a very slow solution to building a unicode charset to ttf map.  probably better to go with the unicode language block to predicted filename method
May 01 16:16:09 <YouCallItFar> or at least start with that, and do the scan in a threadpool, and then swap it in
May 01 16:16:32 <YouCallItFar> or only do it first time u see an known glyph
May 01 16:16:36 <YouCallItFar> unknown*
May 01 16:19:13 <YouCallItFar> every other major platform has solution like font substitution in CoreText on iOS and OSX, or GDI on Windows, and fontconfig on linux
May 01 16:20:32 <YouCallItFar> android not super easy to super all glyphs at once.  which apparently was important enough to this irc app maker that theyre scanning /system/fonts as im about to hack up something similar
May 01 16:20:43 <YouCallItFar> to supper* all glyphs at once
May 01 16:20:51 <YouCallItFar> support.  sorry.  i need more sleep
May 01 16:24:57 <Odaym> less nagging
May 01 16:25:57 <YouCallItFar> feels like critical information being withheld by os purposefully apparently due to some flawed and fascist design philosophy i cant really fathom.  i hate stuff like that.
May 01 16:27:29 <Odaym> it's the Illuminati bro, trying to keep the font information from you
May 01 16:33:14 <drose379> Whats up Odaym
May 01 16:35:13 <YouCallItFar> maybe Google should follow Apple's lead and try making an app that says "Hello" in every language on Android
May 01 16:53:10 <Tobbi> Any idea about this: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start receiver com.example.tobiasmarkus.eggtimer.MainActivity$EggDoneReceiver: java.lang.SecurityException: Permission Denial: starting Intent { act=android.intent.action.MAIN flg=0x10000000 cmp=com.android.vending/com.google.android.finsky.setup.VpaSelectionOptionalStepActivity (has extras) } from ProcessRecord{ccd68b3 20928:com.example.tobiasmarkus.eggtimer/u0a302} (pid=20928, uid=
May 01 16:53:11 <Tobbi> 10302) requires com.android.vending.setup.PLAY_SETUP_SERVICE
May 01 16:53:17 <Tobbi> I am really getting rather agitated.
May 01 16:53:38 <Tobbi> I gave the application its permissions.
May 01 16:53:41 <Tobbi> Still the same error.
May 01 16:56:43 <drose379> Do you have to define it in the manifest?
May 01 16:57:03 <Tobbi> drose379: It is defined in the manifest.
May 01 16:57:09 <drose379> Ok
May 01 17:07:18 <drose379> I keep repeating the line new Handler( Looper.getMainLooper ).post( Runnable ) to post to the main thread
May 01 17:07:36 <drose379> Would it be smart to write a util class with a static .postToMain method that just accepts a runnable?>
May 01 17:18:09 <Tobbi> Okay, let me ask again: How do I start an activity from within a broadcast receiver?
May 01 17:18:33 <Tobbi> I want the user to be able to just press a button to start a service, then quit the activity, and it will reappear after a timer.
May 01 17:18:37 <Tobbi> ...has finished.
May 01 17:19:16 <thepoosh> Tobbi: have you tried anything at all?
May 01 17:19:49 <Tobbi> thepoosh: Yes, of course. I tried this: http://pastebin.com/nDcvtGVR
May 01 17:20:04 <Tobbi> This leads to the above permission error on one device and doesn't do stuff on the other.
May 01 17:20:33 <thepoosh> Tobbi: try an explicit intent instead of an implicit one
May 01 17:21:29 <Tobbi> thepoosh: How do I do that?
May 01 17:21:47 <thepoosh> new Intent(Context context, Class class)
May 01 17:21:52 <thepoosh> it's in the docs
May 01 17:22:25 <Tobbi> ok
May 01 17:23:00 <Tobbi> Actually, makes sense.
May 01 17:23:15 <thepoosh> Tobbi: docs are amazing
May 01 17:23:32 <Tobbi> thepoosh: I don't know anything about reading.
May 01 17:23:49 <thepoosh> defaq did I just read?!
May 01 17:24:04 <Tobbi> :D
May 01 17:25:24 <thepoosh> that is not in the least bit amuzing to me
May 01 17:25:40 <drose379> thepoosh: did you see my quick question by any chance?
May 01 17:25:57 <thepoosh> nope
May 01 17:26:33 <drose379> I keep repeating the line new Handler( Looper.getMainLooper ).post( Runnable ) to post to the main thread
May 01 17:26:35 <Tobbi> I'm sorry. My humor is a bit off today.
May 01 17:26:54 <drose379> Is it ok to make a class with a static method that does this for me and accepts a runnable thepoosh
May 01 17:27:29 <thepoosh> why not keep a member in the Application that will be the UI handler?
May 01 17:27:42 <drose379> How would I go about that
May 01 17:27:50 <thepoosh> or do things from an Activity context?
May 01 17:28:09 <thepoosh> you can have a Singleton and have it as a member
May 01 17:28:14 <drose379> I guess
May 01 17:28:24 <drose379> Would it be better then using looper.getmainLooper
May 01 17:28:38 <thepoosh> no, wouldn't be different
May 01 17:29:00 <drose379> Oh ok, just preference?
May 01 17:29:04 <thepoosh> the only issue is that you are craeting a new object every time which is wasteful and stupid
May 01 17:29:54 <drose379> Unless I have a singleton
May 01 17:29:57 <drose379> Then I only have one
May 01 17:30:37 <drose379> But doesnt the new Handler get GCd after the post is done
May 01 17:31:56 <Odaym> why do it to begin with
May 01 17:32:22 <drose379> So I dont have to repeat new Handler( Looper.getMainLooper() ).post( () -> {} ) a thousand times
May 01 17:32:44 <SimonVT> There's no issue in doing that
May 01 17:33:16 <drose379> I know, but Id rather just do ThreadHelper.postToMain( () -> {///} )
May 01 17:33:30 <SimonVT> Yes, there's no issue in doing that
May 01 17:34:41 <drose379> Oh you were saying theres no issue in using my static helper method
May 01 17:36:04 <drose379> thepoosh: made a good point though about creating a new handler object each call
May 01 17:38:12 <thepoosh> drose379: you shouldn't be posting to the UI thread just because
May 01 17:38:18 <thepoosh> it's reserved for the UI thread
May 01 17:38:41 <thepoosh> and only things within Activities should be touching it, only for UI purposes
May 01 17:39:08 <drose379> I do it when a run a background thread and I need to post results to the UI thread
May 01 17:39:18 <drose379> Or call a method that touches views
May 01 17:39:23 <drose379> That stuff has to be on UI thread
May 01 17:39:56 <thepoosh> what exactly are you trying to do?
May 01 17:40:10 <RustyShackleford> any Firebase users?
May 01 17:40:16 <drose379> What do you mean, Im just talking in general in a project
May 01 17:40:20 <RustyShackleford> I'm not sure which callbacks I want to implement
May 01 17:40:42 <RustyShackleford> ValueEventListener or ChildEventListener
May 01 17:42:25 <drose379> Know what I mean thepoosh
May 01 17:43:16 <thepoosh> drose379: you should organise your code better if you need a handler for each time
May 01 17:44:19 <drose379> I just have a static method called postToMain that does
May 01 17:44:28 <drose379> new Hanlder( Looper.getMainLooper ).post( r )
May 01 17:44:57 <thepoosh> well, you shouldn't
May 01 17:45:11 <thepoosh> because: 1. async work should be avoided if possible
May 01 17:45:30 <thepoosh> and 2. you should only post to the UI when needed and not with a generic method
May 01 17:45:46 <SimonVT> Keep a static reference to the Handler, no reason to create a new one every time
May 01 17:46:01 <SimonVT> 2. stop listening to bad advice given without context
May 01 17:46:13 <thepoosh> and don't post to the UI just because
May 01 17:46:19 <drose379> Yeah, but I dont know what you are talking about with 1. I canot avoid async tasks... I need to connect to server
May 01 17:46:34 <drose379> thepoosh: I told you the reason when I post from async thread to main.. when I call methods that touch views
May 01 17:46:36 <drose379> Its required
May 01 17:46:58 <thepoosh> drose379: use a library that handles that for you
May 01 17:47:04 <thepoosh> like retrofit or volley
May 01 17:47:09 <drose379> I use retrofit
May 01 17:47:37 <drose379> Yes that has callbacks on the main, but I also do other things aync, like sqlite transactions
May 01 17:47:39 <thepoosh> so it should have a built in mechanism for returning to the UI
May 01 17:47:43 <thepoosh> like Rx
May 01 17:47:45 <drose379> ^
May 01 17:48:03 <liuwenhao> RxJava is a good way to avoid asynctask especially if you are using Retrofit
May 01 17:48:26 <thepoosh> brb
May 01 17:48:29 <drose379> thepoosh: I do sqlite transactions off the main thread, in that case I need to post to main
May 01 17:48:31 <liuwenhao> MVP + RxJava is the best :)
May 01 17:49:21 <thepoosh> liuwenhao: any other buzzwords?
May 01 17:49:38 <liuwenhao> How is MVP a buzzword?
May 01 17:49:40 <thepoosh> drose379: it seems like your way of communicating with the main thread is a bit broken
May 01 17:49:42 <Odaym> I think he can cough up a few more
May 01 17:49:49 <thepoosh> brb
May 01 17:49:52 <liuwenhao> Because it's a popular architecture?
May 01 17:49:53 <Odaym> RxMVPReactionJavaPython
May 01 17:49:58 <Odaym> :D
May 01 17:50:03 <Odaym> AMIDOINGITRIGHT
May 01 17:50:09 <SimonVT> drose379: Your way of communicating with the main thread is not broken
May 01 17:50:09 <drose379> How is my way of communicating with the main thread broken?
May 01 17:50:14 <drose379> Yeah, thank you SimonVT
May 01 17:50:19 <Odaym> haha
May 01 17:50:28 <Odaym> funny conversation
May 01 17:50:36 <Odaym> I'd follow what Simon says, drose
May 01 17:50:47 <drose379> Will do
May 01 17:50:48 <drose379> brb
May 01 17:53:01 <hexafluoride> how do I shrink my ccache?
May 01 17:53:10 <hexafluoride> sorry if this is a bit out of place
May 01 17:53:26 <invapid> https://developer.android.com/training/material/lists-cards.html - they have a "public class MyAdapter extends RecyclerView.Adapter<MyAdapter.ViewHolder>" example which may not be complete
May 01 17:54:15 <invapid> if you try to use the example android-studio IDE throws and error with the "ViewHolder vh = new ViewHolder(v);" section saying "Error:(12, 8) error: MyAdapter is not abstract and does not override abstract method onCreateViewHolder(ViewGroup,int) in Adapter"
May 01 17:55:45 <g00s> thepoosh !
May 01 17:55:46 <Tobbi> OKay, next problem: Any idea why my alarmmanager is firing intents too soon? I set it to "in 6 minutes", but it fires after a few seconds.
May 01 17:55:54 <thepoosh> g00s: !!!
May 01 17:56:07 <invapid> anyone know what that means?
May 01 17:56:20 <Tobbi> EggService class: http://pastebin.com/iiD8u9vu
May 01 17:57:17 <g00s> thepoosh hm, i notice when using CoordinatorLayout, the AppBarLayout and its children get much GPU overdraw ... what do you think of that ?
May 01 17:58:16 <Tobbi> oh wait.
May 01 17:58:18 <Tobbi> hah.
May 01 17:59:14 <Tobbi> Entirely my fault.
May 01 18:04:42 <g00s> lol, what did he see? http://i.imgur.com/AP9DItX.jpg
May 01 18:11:26 <rasrajat> hi all, i am not able to run android2.0 file in android1.5 any solution other than update
May 01 18:11:58 <rasrajat> *android studio 2.0 file in android studio 1.5 any solution other than update
May 01 18:13:59 <azgul> what is android studio 2.0 file? the installer?
May 01 18:17:20 <azgul> oh I know what you mean now. I would start by checking if the project uses a beta version of the gradle plugin, because those get deprecated and stop working
May 01 18:17:56 <azgul> AS 1.5.1 should surely work fine with gradle plugin 2.0.0, you just wont get instant run
May 01 18:18:15 <Cevari> Hey, anyone got experience with constant (and changing) NoClassDefFoundErrors in Eclipse? I've tried the usual stuff, cleaned project, removed and readded all libraries, restarted Eclipse.
May 01 18:18:46 <azgul> people still use Eclipse?
May 01 18:19:04 <azgul> it's not officially supported, I would switch to Android Studio
May 01 18:20:17 <Cevari> yeah I'm aware, but when I tried the transition I ran into other issues
May 01 18:20:46 <Cevari> project is supposed to be finished in about a week so kinda really hoping to just tough it out with eclipse and never touch it again after
May 01 18:21:37 <azgul> tried cleaning the project? usually fixes common bugs in most IDEs
May 01 18:22:58 <Cevari> yeah, like I said, have tried several times already
May 01 18:23:28 <azgul> ah sorry. guess I stopped at Eclipse the first time reading LOL
May 01 18:23:57 <Cevari> yeah I understand, it's the standard response for a reason
May 01 19:00:37 <kuroro> i want to speed up my MultiAutoCompleteTextView by using a Trie instead of an ArrayList. Are there any good Trie libraries that I could use?
May 01 19:17:27 <g00s> kuroro trie4j comes to mind
May 01 19:22:23 <g00s> is there a way to disable showing tabs at all in AS ?
May 01 19:22:33 <g00s> i kinda like how VS Code eschews tabs completely
May 01 19:22:46 <g00s> cmd-e ftw
May 01 19:23:27 <g00s> oh there is, placement : none
May 01 19:25:21 <kuroro> g00s: cool. thanks. i'll take a look at it
May 01 19:29:00 <canurabus> Hi all. I often get errors when quitting my application (ie, press square to show apps and then hit x). I usually get "Failure retrieving resources" "Killing pid" " WIN DEATH". I'm having trouble figuring out why this is happening (full errors are at https://paste.kde.org/pb2rkrq8n)
May 01 19:29:10 <kuroro> now i just need to write a TrieAdapter for it to be used with multiautocompletetextview
May 01 19:29:26 <canurabus> Does anyone know what these errors could mean
May 01 19:31:30 <Quacked> I want to give a vibration feedback to let the user know if something is on or off. What vibration pattern would you think mean off and on?
May 01 19:32:32 <Quacked> when they press the button it turns on, and when they press the same button again it turns off
May 01 19:32:36 <Ashiren> a morse code for off and on :?
May 01 19:32:37 <g00s> maybe on: 2 vibrates, off : 1 vibrate
May 01 19:32:55 <g00s> or vice versa
May 01 19:33:08 <Quacked> g00s, that was my initial thought, but when I implemented it Im not so sure :)
May 01 19:33:59 <Ashiren> canurabus: app is working normally?
May 01 19:34:15 <Quacked> cant think of other apps that have that kinda behaviour either
May 01 19:34:27 <canurabus> yeah, doesn't seem to be anything wrong during normal use or pause/resume
May 01 19:34:59 <danijoo> canurabus, if a line in logcat doesnt have your apps id, ignore it >)
May 01 19:35:21 <Ashiren> eeyup
May 01 19:35:38 <Ashiren> WIN DEATH sometimes means there was ANR, but if your app works normally thats not the case
May 01 19:35:43 <canurabus> All of the lines I mentioned are directly referring to my application. The app is being killed by Android explicitly
May 01 19:35:50 <canurabus> Yeah, I'm not getting an ANR
May 01 19:40:19 <canurabus> Does anyone know at least if I can figure out which resource the error message "Failure retrieving resources for dev.ks.platform.sdl: Resource ID #0x0" is talking about?
May 01 19:40:28 <canurabus> (dev.ks.platform.sdl is my application)
May 01 19:40:35 <canurabus> "Resource ID 0x0" isn't very helpful
May 01 20:14:42 <canurabus> has anyone ever had an issue with Android Studio indicating "No Debuggable Applications"? It only seems to happen to one of my apps
May 01 20:24:06 <g00s> whats the easiest way to cross-fade between fragments switched from NavigationView ?
May 01 20:25:44 <g00s> https://material-design.storage.googleapis.com/publish/material_v_4/material_ext_publish/0B3321sZLoP_HTTA0QUM4MWxKSTg/components_bottomnavigation_behavior_crossfade.webm
May 01 20:29:11 <Zharf> somehow that animation hurts my eyes
May 01 20:29:31 <g00s> lol, how dare u criticize material !
May 01 20:30:11 <Zharf> it's the flash that does it
May 01 20:30:59 <Zharf> is that really a crossfade or just fast fade out fade in
May 01 20:32:01 * g00s tries .setCustomAnimations(android.R.anim.fade_in, android.R.anim.fade_out)
May 01 20:32:56 <Zharf> http://developer.android.com/training/animation/crossfade.html there's this too though
May 01 20:34:44 <g00s> yeah the android ones are kinda slow, i'll make custom ones a bit faster
May 01 20:36:19 <g00s> android:duration="@android:integer/config_longAnimTime"
May 01 20:36:58 <Zharf> yeah the video definitely goes to all white and then fades in the other fragment
May 01 20:37:10 <Zharf> that's why I don't really like it, the white part is too bright
May 01 20:46:12 <pfn> canurabus, it means you passed in a 0, or whatever id it tried to look up failed to resolve
May 01 20:48:21 <leo-unglaub> hey, i have a problem with android studio throwing an IOException every time i want to build my project: "Problem trying to create tmp directory with prefix: "RC: Code Scanner" suffix aar_cache
May 01 20:48:38 <g00s> lol wth, app crashes with ClassNotFound
May 01 20:48:53 <leo-unglaub> any ideas why android studio is using the name rc: code scanner? thats just the name of one label but not the name of the app
May 01 20:54:47 <g00s> damn, every time I run my app from AS, I get this annoying green notification bubble on the bottom right which obscures logcat, is there any way to fucking kill that thing with fire ?
May 01 20:54:58 <g00s> bottom left actually
May 01 20:56:36 <g00s> it comes from the 'Run' tool window and says stuff like 'instant run applies code changes and restarted the app"
May 01 20:57:13 * g00s clicks 'don't show again' .. again
May 01 21:04:30 <g00s> for instant run, google says "For the best performance, set minSdkVersion to 21 or higher." anyone know why that is ?
May 01 21:04:58 <pfn> because multidex works natively on 21
May 01 21:05:10 <pfn> and multidex is an essential requirement of instant run
May 01 21:05:43 <pfn> instant run is slow as shit if you have to support pre-21
May 01 21:05:52 <pfn> my solution is so much better...
May 01 21:06:11 <g00s> oh so this is using multidex ? i had no idea
May 01 21:06:29 <g00s> my app isn't large so i don't have multidex anywhere in my build
May 01 21:07:04 <pfn> doesn't matter
May 01 21:07:13 <pfn> multidex is used regardless
May 01 21:07:18 <g00s> interesting
May 01 21:07:18 <pfn> it's how instant run  works
May 01 21:08:04 <pfn> doesn't matter how big your app is, it sends dex fragments. to device
May 01 21:08:38 <pfn> it's very similar to my solution, with a hot swap hack added
May 01 22:04:54 <perlsyntax> For android studio do i need to add a jar file to get google play service in my app?
May 01 22:05:08 <perlsyntax> I hope someone can help me out:D
May 01 22:05:29 <tm604> perlsyntax: no, just add to the gradle file - see https://developers.google.com/android/guides/setup
May 01 22:06:20 <perlsyntax> tm604,I rem in android studio 2.0 i could.tm604, that help me out alot thanks.
May 01 22:06:41 <perlsyntax> oh didn't know i type the samething 2 times.
May 01 22:07:14 <perlsyntax> I understand now..
May 01 22:12:56 <Odaym> ok, I am baffled
May 01 22:13:06 <Odaym> baffled is me
May 01 22:14:47 <Odaym> check this out, http://pastie.org/10820348
May 01 22:15:10 <Odaym> the dragListener and the log at line 56 only triggers after the second textview is added to the layout
May 01 22:15:38 <Odaym> never on the first one, and never on the one that was originally added with the layout
May 01 22:23:25 <orbyt_> Why do you have double @
May 01 22:23:54 <canurabus> have any of you run into an issue where onDestroy() gets called multiple times on an activity in a row?
May 01 22:24:57 <Odaym> oops double @
May 01 22:25:04 <Odaym> paste issue
May 01 22:25:07 <Odaym> its not in the code
May 01 22:25:51 <andrea993> Hi all, do you think that is possible to edit the output sound on Android at kernel level?
May 01 22:36:05 <xnoxk> if i run adb install file.apk is supposed to run an android emulator with app right?
May 01 23:24:44 <xnoxk> can someone help me to setup an emulator on mac os?
May 01 23:25:10 <xnoxk> I got android studio, tools, platform-tools, build-tools, already installed all that stuff and now my disk space is limited
May 01 23:25:14 <xnoxk> what else should I do because
May 01 23:25:15 <xnoxk> when I do
May 01 23:25:22 <xnoxk> ./android list targets - Available Android targets:
May 01 23:29:43 <debuggerj> Hello everybody!
May 01 23:30:04 <debuggerj> I'm dealing with a weird issue here, I fired up android studio and created an empty activity project, but I see no "android"
May 01 23:30:06 <debuggerj> tab under tools
May 01 23:30:12 <debuggerj> like I used to when I first installed the ide
May 01 23:30:16 <debuggerj> what might be happening?
May 01 23:35:04 <orbyt_> post a screenie
May 01 23:40:03 <orbyt_> hmm thinking about learning rails
May 01 23:40:06 <orbyt_> any objections?
May 02 00:01:16 <erry> So I'm thinking of making a depression mood tracker kind of app
May 02 00:02:23 <erry> Do you think it's sane both from a developer and a legal/ux point of view if i have a 'help me now' button that gives the user the option to call samaritans or 999, in clickable phone links? Of course it'd confirm before calling the cops
May 02 00:02:41 <erry> But I don't know if it's still a bad idea to do that, and rather i should say "if you need help call X" and they do it themselves
May 02 00:02:45 <erry> it's not exactly a hard number anyway
May 02 00:03:08 <erry> I don't want the police to be like "we got false calls because your users cant read" :D
May 02 00:06:27 <g00s> this is one of those cases, i dont think technology has a solution to that kind of problem
May 02 00:07:06 <erry> Well no
May 02 00:07:19 <erry> You're not going to solve any health issues with an android app
May 02 00:07:24 <erry> you can aim to be some sort of aid though
May 02 00:07:40 <erry> just like google fit can't actually make you fit unless you get up and walk :p
May 02 00:07:47 <erry> (which i'm really bad at)
May 02 00:08:11 <g00s> to be more blunt, an app like this trivializes the problem
May 02 00:08:14 <erry> But yeah it's not meant to be a cure, just some sort of mood tracking and reminding of happy making things
May 02 00:08:18 <erry> mm
May 02 00:08:21 <erry> I mean
May 02 00:08:24 <drose379> erry: its hard to come here for ideas, I'd come here more for getting help with the actual development of the app
May 02 00:08:41 <erry> Speaking from my own personal experience with depression and impostor syndrome
May 02 00:08:44 <erry> i'd like to have something like that
May 02 00:08:52 <erry> .-.
May 02 00:09:04 <drose379> Great then go for it
May 02 00:09:07 <drose379> No need to ask really
May 02 00:09:32 <g00s> erry check to see if this kind of thing is OK with FDA guidelines
May 02 00:09:40 <erry> FDA in the UK? :P
May 02 00:09:54 <g00s> whatever FDA is un the UK
May 02 00:09:57 <erry> anyway, yeah, you just can't say that it's legal advice
May 02 00:09:59 <erry> err
May 02 00:10:01 <erry> legal?
May 02 00:10:04 <erry> i mean health advice
May 02 00:10:18 <erry> you put a big fat disclaimer that says "i'm not a doctor"
May 02 00:10:20 <g00s> at least in the US you aren't supposed to publish apps that 'treat medical conditions'
May 02 00:10:23 <erry> yeah
May 02 00:10:31 <erry> which is why again it's not meant to be a treatment, or claim to be one
May 02 00:11:13 <g00s> erry instead of 999, should redirect them to /r/aww :D
May 02 00:11:26 <drose379> Thatd be cool
May 02 00:11:37 <erry> Yes, I should link to r/aww for sure.
May 02 00:11:44 <erry> It helps me more than the suicide helplines do
May 02 00:11:46 <erry> *nod*
May 02 00:11:51 <erry> but uh
May 02 00:11:57 <erry> wouldn't that be MORE trivialising/insulting to some?
May 02 00:12:00 <erry> ugh idk
May 02 00:19:21 <g00s> erry i was joking about .r.aww
May 02 00:19:37 <erry> :<
May 02 00:56:11 <drose379> Anyone here know how to use method references?
May 02 00:56:27 <drose379> I have a method void click( View v )
May 02 00:56:37 <drose379> And im trying _view.setOnClickListener( this::click )
May 02 00:56:44 <drose379> And for some reason its not working, cant see why
May 02 00:57:49 <drose379> Agh, nevermind... spelling mistake :X
May 02 01:02:06 <drose379> Does anyone here use method refs?
May 02 01:02:42 <SuperStep> hello, i have a RelativeLayout and i want add custom View inside on certain conditions, i have to use LayoutInflater.inflate()?
May 02 01:03:10 <hexagonSun_> is there an android-game developer that does streaming or something like
May 02 01:03:12 <hexagonSun_>  that?
May 02 01:03:34 <hexagonSun_> or a very well known channel about the topic (that i don't know about just yet?)
May 02 01:03:56 <orbyt_> drose379: same things as lambdas function wise
May 02 01:08:23 <drose379> Right, I was just wondering if people here used
May 02 01:09:12 <drose379> I store image X in one place, and pass it along to another to be stored, I thought if I edit the image in place 1 that it would also change in place 2
May 02 01:09:24 <drose379> Since place 2 is just holding a refernece to the same image
May 02 01:09:56 <drose379> But that is not happening
May 02 01:11:13 <drose379> Does that make any sense orbyt_
May 02 01:11:46 <orbyt_> no
May 02 01:12:34 <drose379> I have a Bitmap in a fragment, and I pass it to the parent activity to be stored (it is also stored in the fragment)
May 02 01:12:41 <drose379> So they are referenceing the same tihng
May 02 01:12:57 <drose379> If i edit that bitmap in the fragment,  I thought the item in the parent would also be edited
May 02 01:14:23 <drose379> What about that
May 02 01:16:52 <drose379> nvm
May 02 01:25:30 <g00s> never thought about this until now but - NavigationView headerView seems strange to me (since its a child of NavigationView). Lets say you wanted to put an account switcher in there like most gapps, how would you overlay the new list over the NavigationView ?
May 02 01:26:02 <g00s> the header would have to stay
May 02 02:08:14 <JavaStudent81> hi! i'm new here. but also, i have a question should someone feel it is not too stupid: what is the latest version of Java we should use for Android App development?
May 02 02:09:49 <g00s> JavaStudent81 not stupid question at all, actually kinda complicated
May 02 02:10:14 <g00s> if you are OK using release candidate version of build tools, you can use jack and some java 8 features ...
May 02 02:10:48 <g00s> if you are not up to experimental stuff, you use oracle java and either (1) java 7 or (2) java 8 with retrrolambda
May 02 02:12:11 <JavaStudent81> never heard of jack. yeah i just learned of 8's lambdas. it would help streamline some things. but i am worried Android Studio might not know what to do with them.
May 02 02:13:09 <g00s> i haven't used retroL or jack yet, but many people use retroL
May 02 02:13:36 <g00s> i assume once jack is stable retroL will no longer be needed ... not sure though
May 02 02:13:48 <JavaStudent81> just found jack on google. looks cool. thanks, g00s.
May 02 02:13:57 <g00s> ;)
May 02 02:29:39 <wikideer> Say there are some tools that are available to help me make an application but they are written in Python
May 02 02:29:49 <wikideer> Is there a way to run them within an android app?
May 02 02:29:57 <wikideer> Or should I just port them
May 02 02:32:55 <wikideer> It's kind of a lot to port and it would take me atleast a few months
May 02 02:33:26 <orbyt_> what is it
May 02 02:33:54 <wikideer> It's a pretty bulky library for parsing and mapping real time data
May 02 02:34:05 <orbyt_> ok. what is it.
May 02 02:34:18 <wikideer> I just told you?
May 02 02:34:29 <orbyt_> what the fuck is it called
May 02 02:34:55 <wikideer> It's proprietary so what it's called doesn't matter
May 02 02:36:51 <wikideer> It's something written by someone at the place I work and I want to put it into an app
May 02 02:37:35 <wikideer> There are three ways of doing it as I see it. 1) Run python from within an app 2) Port it to Java 3) Fork it and add a web API
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 02 02:59:58 2016