**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 15 02:59:58 2016
May 15 05:53:27 <logicp> Is it possible to pass ArrayLists to Fragments without making them Parcelable?
May 15 05:57:39 <logicp> I shall return!
May 15 06:41:41 <timusus> Is anyone able to help me debug an issue - I'm posting a notification via NotificationManager, and it's reappearing after the user removes the app from recents..
May 15 07:31:56 <suhas_sm> Hi anyone here ?
May 15 08:03:37 <Ashiren> its sunday
May 15 09:06:13 <thepoosh> Ashiren: sunday is just another day
May 15 09:14:02 <dimitrovskif> How do chat apps realiably trigger chat notifications even after killing the app? Is it AlarmManager + a service?
May 15 09:15:46 <thepoosh> dimitrovskif: services and GCM registrations
May 15 09:16:10 <dimitrovskif> thepoosh: But not every app uses GCM, does it?
May 15 09:16:24 <thepoosh> every app has a GCM like service
May 15 09:16:31 <thepoosh> do you have any specific question?
May 15 09:16:37 <thepoosh> I actually work on a chat app
May 15 09:17:00 <dimitrovskif> No specific question, just wondering if a Service is enough to make sure it always runs in background
May 15 09:17:11 <thepoosh> no, use GCM
May 15 09:17:53 <Mavrik> Indeed it's not.
May 15 09:17:54 <dimitrovskif> For example, closing Messenger, force killing it and killing the service still doesn't prevent message notifications
May 15 09:18:01 <Mavrik> Pretty much all apps use GCM.
May 15 09:18:19 * thepoosh agrees
May 15 09:18:25 <Mavrik> Using a service will drain battery a lot
May 15 09:18:31 <thepoosh> dimitrovskif: when the app is open there is a service probably
May 15 09:18:40 <Mavrik> And Doze will suspend it anyway.
May 15 09:18:42 <thepoosh> when it's closed, everyone uses a GCM like service
May 15 09:18:53 <Mavrik> Even when open it's just simpler to use GCM.
May 15 09:19:02 <thepoosh> Mavrik: GCM has time issues
May 15 09:19:05 <Mavrik> And even use it for sending.
May 15 09:19:23 <Mavrik> It only has time issues in cases where your service will have them as well (problematic connectivity)
May 15 09:19:33 <Mavrik> Hangouts, GMail, Inbox, etc. are all fully GCM
May 15 09:19:39 <Mavrik> In the two-way mode.
May 15 09:19:42 <thepoosh> Mavrik: not really
May 15 09:19:47 <thepoosh> but I agree with you
May 15 09:19:48 <dimitrovskif> Is GCM that reliable? What you want to say is that if I want to run a task daily, it would be easier if a server sends one GCM notification to all clients than simply scheduling a service?
May 15 09:19:58 <thepoosh> yes, GCM is reliable
May 15 09:20:25 <Mavrik> If you want to run a task daily, then use the proper JobScheduler API instead of GCM.
May 15 09:21:00 <dimitrovskif> So, realtime => use GCM ALWAYS; scheduled => JobService
May 15 09:21:08 <thepoosh> yes
May 15 09:21:09 <Mavrik> JobScheduler.
May 15 09:21:37 <dimitrovskif> JobScheduler creates JobServices afaik
May 15 09:21:51 <Mavrik> Nop.
May 15 09:22:06 <Mavrik> Also you might wanna use GcmNetworkManager class which is a backported version of JobScheduler
May 15 09:22:21 <Mavrik> Or this library: https://github.com/evernote/android-job
May 15 09:23:17 <thepoosh> dimitrovskif: you can always try Firebase
May 15 09:24:16 <thepoosh> dimitrovskif: https://youtu.be/Yt75ZIGdJ4Y
May 15 09:32:05 <Psychiatrist> Hey guys. Has anyone got any experience with getting location updates while the screen is turned off? I have my app working and a GPX file running but the locationChanged event is never called when I'm on the lock screen.
May 15 09:32:44 <Mavrik> Are you holding a wakelock?
May 15 09:34:57 <Psychiatrist> Mavrik, I have a partial wake lock, yes.
May 15 09:35:25 <Mavrik> Also is your service a foreground service? Is it being killed?
May 15 09:36:36 <Psychiatrist> I can send intents to it from the lock screen and they work fine
May 15 09:37:24 <Mavrik> That doesn't matter because intents will start a killed service.
May 15 09:38:16 <Psychiatrist> Mavrik, Damn, alright. How can I check if it's a foreground service?
May 15 09:38:22 <Mavrik> Well.
May 15 09:38:29 <Mavrik> Did you call startForeground() ? :P
May 15 09:38:58 <Psychiatrist> No I did not
May 15 09:39:10 <Mavrik> Then it's not :)
May 15 09:39:10 <Psychiatrist> Will do in a sec, thanks!
May 15 09:39:45 <Mavrik> Note that you probably won't be able to make sure your service keeps running 100% of time.
May 15 09:39:54 <Mavrik> And running location updates will kill the battery in few hours :)
May 15 09:42:52 <Psychiatrist> Alright, well I'm guessing all the Endomondo / Strava apps do the same?
May 15 09:43:20 <Psychiatrist> meaning that they run out of battery in a few hours if you use them to track your movement
May 15 09:46:13 <danijoo> Psychiatrist, guess so too.
May 15 09:46:27 <Mavrik> Psychiatrist, of course
May 15 09:46:36 <Mavrik> High accuracy GPS burns a lot of power.
May 15 09:46:53 <Mavrik> You won't get more than 3-4 hours on full charge on most phones, usually less than 2 hours if screen is running at the same time.
May 15 09:48:20 <Psychiatrist> Yeah it makes sense
May 15 09:49:56 <Mavrik> There is a low power movement tracking system on the phone (used by Google Now for example), but it's significanly less accurate or reliable.
May 15 09:59:28 <Psychiatrist> Mavrik, Thank you so much, I am now getting the updates when I'm on the lock screen.
May 15 10:08:11 <thornekey> what is the term called for when i have, for exmaple, a text input field and it says inside it "username" or something and then i click on it and its not actually the current text inside it? like a label?
May 15 10:08:54 <Psychiatrist> watermark?
May 15 10:09:28 <thornekey> you see it on things like facebook. the search box says "Search Facebook" but thats not the actual text of the input box
May 15 10:09:33 <thornekey> im having a mental blank
May 15 10:09:49 <SimonVT> hint
May 15 10:10:09 <thornekey> Ah, thats right!
May 15 10:10:13 <thornekey> thanks :*
May 15 10:40:26 <irth> Placeholder, also
May 15 10:40:31 <irth> In html at least
May 15 10:51:41 <NeoFrontier> hi, so how do I change a package name complete in android studio ? Refactoring seems to only want to change the last part ie com.example.mofo it only wants to rename mofo.
May 15 10:51:46 <NeoFrontier> I want the whole domain changed.
May 15 10:51:51 <NeoFrontier> howdidoda ?
May 15 11:00:48 <danijoo> rename the folders
May 15 11:38:07 <Psychiatrist> Guys, is there a way I can start the same notification, that I have in my activity, again in my service?
May 15 11:46:32 <danijoo> Psychiatrist, the same?
May 15 11:46:44 <danijoo> if you want to override it, just send the same ID
May 15 11:46:45 <Psychiatrist> Yeah
May 15 11:50:33 <Psychiatrist> danijoo, But how do I add PendingIntents to the new notification from my service? Since the context is not my activity if I start it from a service.
May 15 11:53:51 <danijoo> why does it matter what ctx it uses?
May 15 12:09:54 <NeoFrontier> Why would this be: I have the source for an application and it compiles fine with Android Studio. But as soon as I add the Admob module I get this error: Error:(29) Found unsupported XLIFF tag <color>
May 15 12:10:05 <NeoFrontier> If I remove the Admob module, it compiles again.
May 15 12:10:13 <NeoFrontier> *frowns*
May 15 12:11:18 <NeoFrontier> Android studio reports that this resource <resources xmlns:ns1="urn:oasis:names:tc:xliff:document:1.2"> is no a registered uri.
May 15 12:27:15 <NeoFrontier> This is a mystery
May 15 12:31:35 <thornekey> am using facebook sdk login and I need to check if the user is already logged in. How should I go about it?
May 15 12:37:53 <thornekey> this is what ive tried but it does not work: http://ideone.com/hks8rQ
May 15 12:40:41 <OxOO> So my power button on my samsung phone is being an asshole. Browsing around trying to find out how to either simulate a press on the power button from within an app (want to make it myself if so), which seems from what I read so far to need to root the phone, which I'd like to avoid. Is it possible to instead of simulating the power button press, bring up the dialog that one gets from a long press on the power button from within an app?
May 15 12:42:31 <OxOO> any advice appreciated
May 15 12:43:38 <Leeds> OxOO: get samsung to fix your phone
May 15 12:54:46 <Leeds> OxOO: you're welcome - I'm glad to help
May 15 12:56:23 <Ashiren> um
May 15 13:12:08 <perlsyntax> Hi all
May 15 13:15:58 <thornekey> when using the facebook sdk, do i need to do sdkInitialize in every class?
May 15 13:52:34 <OxOO> Leeds: You know that wasn't the answer I was looking for but thanks anyway
May 15 13:53:37 <thornekey> so is a REST api anything that acts as a handshake between app and database (for example)
May 15 14:29:22 <quelqun_dautre> thornekey: no
May 15 14:35:48 <thornekey> quelqun_dautre, i dont get them :C
May 15 14:59:57 <thornekey> so can i make a REST api with PHP then?
May 15 15:06:57 <Leeds> you can, but you probably shouldn't
May 15 15:13:58 <thornekey> Leeds, what would you suggest?
May 15 15:52:22 <memorion> is it possible to change the color of parts of a vector in a vectordrawable?
May 15 15:54:17 <memorion> I have a vector defined in xml with a path with a `android:name` but I don't know if I can access the path  from java somehow?
May 15 16:03:57 <Ologn> memorion, why not stick an id on it as well?
May 15 16:04:31 <Ologn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6831506/find-view-by-name
May 15 16:05:46 <memorion> does that work? but what kind of view do I  get in findviewbyid then?
May 15 16:07:46 <SimonVT> Just Ologn speaking nonsense..
May 15 16:07:56 <SimonVT> I don't think you can tint anything but the entire drawable
May 15 16:08:32 <SimonVT> Would probably need to make it multiple VectorDrawables and use a LayerDrawable
May 15 16:09:23 <Ologn> No, I'm correct with regards to the second question
May 15 16:09:38 <memorion> okay, kind of useless to give stuff a name then isn't it? thanks
May 15 16:10:34 <Ologn> The path is accessible ... whether it can be used in the manner asked in the first question I have not looked into...
May 15 16:11:24 <memorion> I tried to findbyview it and it returned null
May 15 16:16:24 <min2> Does anyone know from where we can get the sample projects of material motions?
May 15 16:16:30 <min2> https://www.google.com/design/spec/motion/material-motion.html
May 15 16:31:03 <Gaulois94> Hello
May 15 16:31:30 <Gaulois94> Simple question, should I create my eglWindowSurface when my Surface View is created in the callback function onSurfaceCreated ?
May 15 16:31:58 <Gaulois94> I explain : I'm trying to init correctly my native opengl code, and I'm getting some problems with the surface
May 15 16:32:49 <Gaulois94> When The application starts, I create the opengl context, and in the onSurfaceCreated, I create the eglSurface, but I'm getting an EGL_BAD_SURFACE in eglSwapBuffers...
May 15 16:33:27 <Gaulois94> Here is my javahttp://sprunge.us/QGeK.java
May 15 16:34:21 <Gaulois94> And here is my native code :  http://sprunge.us/IGTP
May 15 16:34:48 <Gaulois94> Sorry, the java side : http://sprunge.us/QGeK?java
May 15 16:40:54 <TellYouHwat> in MVVM, where does business logic go?
May 15 17:21:43 <minas114> Hi. I want to get all active notifications from the NotificationManager. There is `getActiveNotifications()` but it's for API 23+. I'm using 14+. Is there a way to get them?
May 15 17:24:32 <lxknvlk> hey! how do i test my subscription purchases, seems that testing is not working with static responses for "subs"
May 15 17:30:27 <lxknvlk> how to test subscription purchases, static responses are not working... ?
May 15 17:30:59 <danijoo_> lxknvlk, upload the app as beta/alpha, add your own mail to the testing group and do real test purchases
May 15 17:31:18 <lxknvlk> well then i need a signed apk that i cant debug..
May 15 17:31:35 <thepoosh> lxknvlk: why debug when you can add logs?
May 15 17:31:38 <danijoo_> lxknvlk, no. you can upload a signed one and the use an unsigned one for debugging
May 15 17:31:43 <lxknvlk> but for inapps static responses were working also on emulator!
May 15 17:31:47 <danijoo_> it just has to match versionCode
May 15 17:32:19 <thepoosh> if you sign with the same config, this might work
May 15 17:32:37 <lxknvlk> i managed to make "inapp" static responses work, but they do not work for "subs", as it seems
May 15 17:32:48 <Mavrik> minas114, your notifications or other apps notifications?
May 15 17:32:59 <minas114> Mavrik, Mine
May 15 17:33:14 <minas114> Mavrik, I guess I could store their IDs in a global list
May 15 17:33:15 <Mavrik> Then no, you'll just have to keep track of what you're showing.
May 15 17:33:26 <Mavrik> (And remember, your app may get killed.(
May 15 17:34:41 <minas114> Mavrik, Hmm... I guess I could store them locally in SharedPreferences.
May 15 17:35:16 <lxknvlk> minas114: whats the problem?
May 15 17:36:22 <minas114> lxknvlk, My user can schedule notifications every day, 3 or 7 days. When the schedule changes, I want to deschedule the current pending one and schedule a new one.
May 15 17:36:41 <lxknvlk> so you want to remove a notification?
May 15 17:37:13 <minas114> lxknvlk, Actually I want to cancel an "alarm" that was scheduled by AlarmManager. I should look into that.
May 15 17:37:26 <lxknvlk> as far as i know you cant even get the info on displayed notifications
May 15 17:38:07 <thepoosh> Mavrik: you can actually register to see which notifications are showing from api 19 (i think)
May 15 17:38:38 <thepoosh> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/service/notification/NotificationListenerService.html
May 15 17:38:44 <thepoosh> api 18
May 15 17:39:47 <Mavrik> thepoosh, that API isn't mean for tracking your own notifications.
May 15 17:39:57 <Mavrik> And it requires explicit whitelisting by the user (+ permissions)
May 15 17:40:00 <minas114> Actually now I think better I don't need any of this. I just need to call AlarmManager.setRepeating() with the new parameters.
May 15 17:40:09 <Mavrik> Using a DB to store notifications is usually the best way.
May 15 17:40:20 <Mavrik> minas114, why are you using AlarmManager?
May 15 17:40:34 <Mavrik> Didn't we tell you yesterday to user JobScheduler and not destroy users battery?
May 15 17:40:50 <minas114> Mavrik, It wasn't me :)
May 15 17:40:55 <Mavrik> Ah.
May 15 17:40:56 <thepoosh> well, use it
May 15 17:40:56 <Mavrik> Mixed up.
May 15 17:40:57 <Mavrik> Well.
May 15 17:40:59 <Mavrik> :)
May 15 17:41:18 <Mavrik> minas114, anyway, JobScheduler is significantly less annoying to use because it remembers stuff ;)
May 15 17:41:34 <minas114> Mavrik, Okay, I'll check it out
May 15 17:41:43 <Mavrik> If you support < Lollipop, use this: https://github.com/evernote/android-job
May 15 17:42:05 <Mavrik> Set a tag, set timings, power and network status and it'll JustWork(tm)
May 15 17:42:07 <minas114> Mavrik, Yes, I am using 4.0+
May 15 17:42:52 <RustyShackleford> what do you use for your dev machine?
May 15 17:42:59 <RustyShackleford> laptop/desktop?
May 15 17:43:01 <RustyShackleford> os?
May 15 17:43:26 <thepoosh> RustyShackleford: is this a general question?
May 15 17:43:36 <RustyShackleford> yup
May 15 17:43:49 <RustyShackleford> I'm looking to upgrade. Thinkin about a macbook maybe
May 15 17:43:57 <RustyShackleford> or perhaps another cheap dell
May 15 17:44:06 <thepoosh> macbook pro 2012 with 500gb SSD and 8gb RAM
May 15 17:44:10 <thepoosh> oretty good
May 15 17:44:34 <RustyShackleford> i'm shooting for 16 gb ram. Downside of the macbook is that I can't install it myself lol
May 15 17:44:52 <minas114> laptop, Ubuntu 16.04, 8GB RAM, 5550U i7 for me
May 15 17:44:52 <Mavrik> I got a 15" rMBP
May 15 17:45:10 <g00s> RustyShackleford xps15 is supposed to be pretty good
May 15 17:45:13 <Mavrik> Don't buy a machine with less than 16G for Android.
May 15 17:45:19 <g00s> lol
May 15 17:45:20 <g00s> :(
May 15 17:45:26 <g00s> thepoosh !
May 15 17:45:34 <g00s> i forget to get me my sunday mehs
May 15 17:45:37 <thepoosh> hi g00s
May 15 17:45:38 <RustyShackleford> they're also as expensive as macbooks :(
May 15 17:45:53 <RustyShackleford> the build quality is just as good from what I could tle
May 15 17:45:55 <RustyShackleford> *tell
May 15 17:45:58 <Mavrik> Yeah, good laptops will cost you like 1500EUR+
May 15 17:46:21 <thepoosh> laptops should be avoided if possible
May 15 17:46:23 <Mavrik> Dell XPS 13/15 series, higherend ThinkPads, ASUS Zenbooks, Apple Macbook Pros are all good machines
May 15 17:46:50 <Mavrik> True, if you can get away with desktop machine it'll be way faster
May 15 17:46:55 <thepoosh> price range is about 150%
May 15 17:46:56 <RustyShackleford> thepoosh, on one hand I agree. My laptop sits on my desk most of the time
May 15 17:47:03 <g00s> Dell has another good one, i forgot its got a crappy name
May 15 17:47:12 <RustyShackleford> but I appreciate being able to unplug it and go
May 15 17:47:17 <danijoo_> Mavrik, and cheaper (if you dont need peripherals)
May 15 17:47:21 <RustyShackleford> having my whole dev environment with me
May 15 17:47:22 <Mavrik> Much cheaper
May 15 17:47:49 <Mavrik> Should get 16GB of RAM, a decent quad CPU and a PCIe SSD though
May 15 17:47:49 <RustyShackleford> I'm thinking about a ~$500 inspiron
May 15 17:47:55 <danijoo_> also dont make the mistake to go < 15" if you want to work remotely on the laptop.
May 15 17:47:59 <RustyShackleford> I have an SSD I can install
May 15 17:48:03 <Mavrik> PCIe SSD.
May 15 17:48:07 <Mavrik> Not some slow crap :)
May 15 17:48:08 <RustyShackleford> and I can throw in some more RAM
May 15 17:48:21 <Mavrik> (New MacBook Pros are faster at compiling stuff than Mac Pros due to those SSDs :P )
May 15 17:48:29 <danijoo_> Mine is 13" and I never use it for developing because that screen is soo tiny..
May 15 17:48:58 <Mavrik> I just plug it into external monitor everywhere :)
May 15 17:49:23 <g00s> RustyShackleford this one got good reviews http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15-7559-laptop/pd
May 15 17:49:39 <danijoo_> Yeah If you can do that its fine. I cant because where I work there are no monitors :p
May 15 17:50:01 <Mavrik> Ah :)
May 15 17:50:06 <Mavrik> Funny work that :)
May 15 17:50:18 <RustyShackleford> i5's are quad core now, huh? awesome.
May 15 17:50:24 <danijoo_> its not in the IT industry so this might be the reason :p
May 15 17:50:38 <Mavrik> i5s were always quads
May 15 17:50:43 <Mavrik> i3s are dual cores
May 15 17:50:52 <Mavrik> Ahh, except the low voltage I5s
May 15 17:50:59 <Mavrik> danijoo_, ah, makes sense yeah
May 15 17:51:00 <danijoo_> im sitting in a stinky laboratory full of ether and sulfor smell :p
May 15 17:51:19 <Mavrik> danijoo_, well, time to lobby where to spend that leftover money at the end of the year ;)
May 15 17:51:20 <g00s> danijoo_ wut
May 15 17:51:50 <g00s> forgot to put the evac hoods on ? :D
May 15 17:52:25 <danijoo_> g00s, remember im a chemist and android is my free time :)
May 15 17:52:28 <g00s> thepoosh i see androidweekly is indeed very meh this time around
May 15 17:52:41 <thepoosh> g00s: didn't get to it yet
May 15 17:52:42 <g00s> danijoo_ we're all alchemists, try to turn shit onto gold
May 15 17:52:46 <g00s> *into
May 15 17:52:51 <danijoo_> g00s, haha true
May 15 17:53:29 <g00s> danijoo_ did you hear about that cave discovery last week , i think in Romania ?
May 15 17:53:46 <g00s> cut off from oxygen, everything living down there was like crazy stuff
May 15 17:54:27 <g00s> danijoo_ http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150904-the-bizarre-beasts-living-in-romanias-poison-cave
May 15 17:55:22 <g00s> "They get the energy needed… from chemical reactions: the key ones being the oxidation of sulphide and similar sulphur ions into sulphuric acid, or the oxidation of ammonium found in the groundwaters to nitrate,"
May 15 17:56:44 <g00s> no radioactive caesium found from chernobyl. thing was sealed off for 5+ million years
May 15 17:58:32 <danijoo_> g00s, wow. impressive stuff
May 15 18:03:18 <g00s> minas114 just saw this https://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/choosing-the-right-background-scheduler-in-android/
May 15 18:05:00 <minas114> g00s, Thank you :)
May 15 18:09:05 <thepoosh> g00s: pure rubbish he said but still gave a link from there
May 15 18:09:06 <thepoosh> http://imgur.com/9xVdLD9
May 15 18:09:09 <thepoosh> shame on you!
May 15 18:09:31 <g00s> thepoosh lol what is pure rubbish ?
May 15 18:09:39 <thepoosh> check the title of the image
May 15 18:10:34 <g00s> oh - AW - kinda tame
May 15 18:11:06 <g00s> well i'm sure they will have plenty to write about next week :D :D :D
May 15 18:12:03 <thepoosh> g00s: it will basically be an IO circlejerk
May 15 18:12:17 <thepoosh> YAYYYY RXANDROID IS IN AOSP
May 15 18:12:21 <g00s> i wonder if we will hear anything about project ARA
May 15 18:12:29 <thepoosh> ARA?
May 15 18:12:33 <g00s> oh i doubt that thepoosh
May 15 18:12:40 <g00s> yeah the old modular phone
May 15 18:12:49 <thepoosh> so instead JACK & JILL FOREVERS!!!!
May 15 18:13:08 <thepoosh> omg, I'm going over the top here...
May 15 18:13:15 <g00s> we thought you would like some more beta software :D
May 15 18:13:25 <g00s> so we put beta software in your beta IDE
May 15 18:13:30 <thepoosh> yo dawg
May 15 18:13:50 <thepoosh> so you can beta testing while writing beta software
May 15 18:14:11 <g00s> and you can use it with our experimental ^H^H^H beta gradle build plugin system
May 15 18:14:34 <g00s> thepoosh have you guys used the experimental gradle plugin ?
May 15 18:15:01 <thepoosh> I cannot confirm nor deny this rumour at the moment, it's all hearsay
May 15 18:15:16 <g00s> :D
May 15 18:16:31 <g00s> thepoosh i used that flexbox layout library, works well
May 15 18:16:37 <g00s> mentioned in AW
May 15 18:17:05 <thepoosh> the soup to refresh one?
May 15 18:17:23 <g00s> lol no, the flexbox layout one :P
May 15 18:18:33 <thepoosh> g00s: https://github.com/Yalantis/pull-to-make-sou
May 15 18:18:35 <thepoosh> https://github.com/Yalantis/pull-to-make-soup
May 15 18:18:42 <thepoosh> I may have seen this on reddit today
May 15 18:18:57 <g00s> ah yeah
May 15 18:20:01 <g00s> shizzle, i'm going to have to make a custom view. i hate making custom stuff. i guess i could spin this out as a library though
May 15 18:20:18 <g00s> guess i'll have to learn how to publish stuff on jcenter
May 15 18:20:28 <thepoosh> I will post it on reddit for you so I can karma whore instead of you
May 15 18:20:35 <g00s> lol
May 15 18:20:37 <thepoosh> g00s: you mean bintray
May 15 18:20:41 <g00s> oh yeah
May 15 18:21:03 <thepoosh> I would actually want to post some of our SDK code to local maven repos
May 15 18:21:16 <g00s> i have a few things i could probably put out there, but never went through with it because i don't want the headache of supporting it
May 15 18:21:20 <thepoosh> to allow caching of the builds and removing the need to compile every flippin time
May 15 18:21:35 <thepoosh> just post it with a WTF license
May 15 18:21:55 <g00s> i'm one of those that believe that you put something out there, you should be at least a bit committed to supporting it
May 15 18:22:02 <thepoosh> http://www.wtfpl.net/
May 15 18:22:10 <thepoosh> well, yeah
May 15 18:22:24 <thepoosh> also, it might get you some cool gigs like andcon NY
May 15 18:22:27 <thepoosh> or SF
May 15 18:22:42 <thepoosh> free food man
May 15 18:22:52 <g00s> lol
May 15 18:23:00 <thepoosh> a custom tag on SO
May 15 18:23:15 <thepoosh> omg, the opportunities are endless
May 15 18:23:38 <g00s> heh, until SO decides to go fully corporate only - omg that will be funny
May 15 18:24:07 <peyam> hi
May 15 18:24:16 <peyam> what is Android studio HiDP?
May 15 18:24:26 <LunarEclipse120> peyam: HiDP?
May 15 18:24:46 <peyam> yes
May 15 18:24:49 <peyam> it in my menu
May 15 18:24:54 <Ashiren> oO
May 15 18:24:57 <peyam> Android Studio (HiDP)
May 15 18:25:10 <Ashiren> from name i would assume its for retina-like screen
May 15 18:25:12 <peyam> never seen that
May 15 18:25:32 <peyam> env REQUIRED_JVM_ARGS="-Dhidpi=true" /opt/android-studio/bin/studio.sh
May 15 18:25:53 <Ashiren> run it and check it out
May 15 18:25:59 <Ashiren> do text/icons are tiny then
May 15 18:26:18 <peyam> yeah I think so. It's  updating right now. cant click it but I will try soon
May 15 18:26:49 <Ashiren> or huge*
May 15 18:27:11 <peyam> Ashiren. How good are you on android?
May 15 18:27:14 <peyam> dev*
May 15 18:28:07 <Ashiren> i have current job on android for about 6 months now
May 15 18:29:07 <peyam> I wana ask a question that I have had in almost a year and never got any answer to. and this is my question. I have a Android Stick. and I made an app. I want to navigate my app using the remote control that followed by the usb stick when I puchased it. My navigations methods like ( slide down/slide up and so on) dont work with the remote. What navigations methods should be used when navigating with a remote control?
May 15 18:30:46 <g00s> peyam maybe focus order, etc - stuff for dpads
May 15 18:31:05 <g00s> have to admit, i never paid attention to that
May 15 18:31:08 * g00s is bad developer
May 15 18:31:14 <Ashiren> huh
May 15 18:31:24 <Lonesoldier728> I am trying to figure out what is more efficient - having the default image in an xml imageview src or using Picasso placeholder and having nothing as the src in xml
May 15 18:31:31 <peyam> g00s, I used d pad as well not working. I tried many methods
May 15 18:31:31 <min2> peyam i think BLE should work here
May 15 18:31:38 <peyam> BLE?
May 15 18:31:58 <min2> Bluetooth low energy
May 15 18:32:03 <peyam> min2, many people are confusing my question with "how to make a remote control". Are you sure you understand my problem??
May 15 18:32:21 <Lonesoldier728> I am asking because I will be loading a lot of images so anything that can be more efficient and reduce the memory issue that I am having would be fantastic!
May 15 18:32:31 <min2> as u said your stick is android enable m i right?
May 15 18:32:41 <peyam> bluetooth?
May 15 18:32:51 <g00s> Lonesoldier728 hm, specifying src may do stuff on main thread
May 15 18:32:54 * g00s is bad developer
May 15 18:33:17 <Lonesoldier728> g00s so you are saying picasso placeholder better option?
May 15 18:33:31 <g00s> Lonesoldier728 anything that would decode async off UI thread
May 15 18:33:37 <peyam> yes. it followed with a remote control. let me show you https://www.google.se/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj6qof129zMAhXBPZoKHcG6BGEQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alibaba.com%2Fproduct-detail%2F2015-new-Quad-Core-Android-best_60312555783.html&psig=AFQjCNFqWVifPOKbe0Z4r6L2oDJa1iTcPg&ust=1463423590298497
May 15 18:33:41 <g00s> picasso, glide, whatever
May 15 18:34:04 <Lonesoldier728> ok thanks
May 15 18:34:08 <peyam> sorry for long url
May 15 18:34:13 <g00s> Lonesoldier728 then again i wouldn't worry about it unless you saw a problem
May 15 18:34:25 <g00s> bitmaps on android are tricky, i can't give much advice
May 15 18:34:36 <Lonesoldier728> well I have memory issues if a user scrolls to fast down
May 15 18:34:44 <Lonesoldier728> it crashes the app
May 15 18:35:04 <Ashiren> use glide or picasso [solved]
May 15 18:35:14 <peyam> Picasso is great
May 15 18:35:22 <Lonesoldier728> I have picasso already that is the thing, and I did resize as well to make it smaller
May 15 18:35:23 <g00s> if you have ooms then yeah, use something that treats bitmaps intelligently
May 15 18:35:55 <Lonesoldier728> I am resizing to 320x240 half the image size
May 15 18:36:03 <Lonesoldier728> but still errors... : /
May 15 18:36:08 <Ashiren> are you sure its bitmap
May 15 18:36:27 <Ashiren> or pastebin the code
May 15 18:36:33 <Lonesoldier728> I am not doing anything special but doing a Picasso.load call from a url that is jpg
May 15 18:37:32 <Lonesoldier728> ok I have code up http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37084133/out-of-memory-issue-while-using-picasso-and-recycler-view
May 15 18:38:02 <Lonesoldier728> I checked the answer because the dimensions solved it but did not realize scrolling past the 200th item or so crashes it still
May 15 18:40:08 <Lonesoldier728> Ashiren - do you agree that Picasso placeholder is better than setting the src of the default picture in xml (before being replaced by picasso)
May 15 18:40:31 <Ashiren> eeyup
May 15 18:40:35 <beshoo> dear all , i want to install Remix os on VPS whuch is created under OpenVZ ? can that be don ?
May 15 18:40:36 <Ashiren> you can use picasso placeholder fine
May 15 18:40:58 <SimonVT> You need placeholder to clear the previous image
May 15 18:41:15 <SimonVT> Other than that, they do the same thing
May 15 18:41:34 <Ashiren> at least in glide, the .placeholder() just set the image resource
May 15 18:41:53 <Ashiren> beshoo: is this good channel for that kind of question?
May 15 18:42:52 <beshoo> I dont know since Remix ment to be for dev
May 15 18:42:56 <Lonesoldier728> SimonVT - yeah i figured they do the same thing the question was what is more efficient since I will be loading a list of views with imageviews part of them
May 15 18:42:57 <beshoo> which is android-86
May 15 18:43:07 <Ashiren> oO
May 15 18:43:29 <beshoo> so i am sorry if this is not the correct place !
May 15 18:44:02 <Ashiren> never heard of it. but i read this is some kind of android for pc eh?
May 15 18:44:09 <SimonVT> beshoo: This channel is for app dev, try and see if your question fits on #android or #android-root
May 15 18:44:19 <min2> peyam can we install any apk inside this stick as this is android stick as its mentioned software Extension:	 Google Play & APK install
May 15 18:44:42 <peyam> min2, yes
May 15 18:44:47 <min2> cool
May 15 18:45:10 <min2> what about sensor capability of this stick did you check ?
May 15 18:45:21 <beshoo> Oh , i am sorry so much , please accept my apology
May 15 18:46:33 <peyam> min2, no I havent
May 15 18:47:55 <min2> cause using accelerometer and Gyroscope we can achieve that
May 15 18:49:18 <min2> after that only we need to establish connection using BLE between stick and android device having app and send motions 0 right 1 for right
May 15 18:53:09 <min2> then you can use any  BLE chat sample app to communicate between two android devices
May 15 18:53:30 <SimonVT> Which has absolutely nothing to do with his question
May 15 18:55:45 <min2> it's just for an idea that how we can send or receive something between two BLE enable devices
May 15 18:56:24 <SimonVT> He has an android stick with a remote. Navigating his app with the remote doesn't work.
May 15 18:59:26 <min2> then i think I am thinking wrong
May 15 18:59:28 <min2> lol
May 15 18:59:36 <SimonVT> Yep :)
May 15 19:08:36 <g00s> did you guys see this ... http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/14/play-store-v6-7-is-rolling-out-with-ability-to-joinleave-betas-developer-feedback-for-betas-and-more/
May 15 19:08:53 <g00s> last wish list item i have for Play is paid upgrades
May 15 19:09:02 <g00s> paid updates
May 15 19:28:19 <your_mirror> hello guys
May 15 19:28:48 <g00s> syug olleh!
May 15 19:30:10 <LunarEclipse120> your_mirror: I can't see myself
May 15 19:32:31 <your_mirror> LunarEclipse120: hm?
May 15 19:33:12 <LunarEclipse120> your_mirror: Your nick :P
May 15 19:33:51 <your_mirror> LunarEclipse120: oooh, so it's your problem ;-)
May 15 19:34:06 <LunarEclipse120> I was making a joke lol
May 15 19:35:56 <your_mirror> me too :)
May 15 20:11:23 <Cmaj6> I'm running Android Studio 2.1 and need hardware buttons (rotate orientation, etc. etc.) on the AVD. No matter where i look in 'advanced settings' of the AVD manager, I can not see much options for setting this up. Help?
May 15 20:11:43 <LunarEclipse120> Cmaj6: Try another device with hardware ones
May 15 20:11:51 <LunarEclipse120> Cmaj6: Or use a device with them
May 15 20:13:12 <SimonVT> Just start the emulator and they appear
May 15 20:20:03 <pfn> you can use keyboard shortcuts to do all the functions
May 15 20:29:34 <drose379> Wow, my 8gb of memory is running at 90%
May 15 20:29:41 <drose379> Seems like a lot
May 15 20:29:49 <drose379> AS open, Chrome open with a bunch of tabs
May 15 20:29:59 <LunarEclipse120> lol
May 15 20:30:11 <drose379> ?
May 15 20:31:19 <drose379> What LunarEclipse120
May 15 20:33:03 <LunarEclipse120> drose379: AS and Chrome loves RAM
May 15 20:33:26 <drose379> ah
May 15 20:33:31 <drose379> That explains it I guess
May 15 20:36:30 <drose379> What OS do you use LunarEclipse120
May 15 20:36:40 <LunarEclipse120> drose379: Dual boot windows 10 and Linux Mint
May 15 20:36:58 <drose379> Cool, why do you keep windows around?
May 15 20:37:21 <LunarEclipse120> I like to use them both, and gaming
May 15 20:37:26 <drose379> Ah yeah
May 15 20:48:58 <drose379> Just installed Ubuntu 16.04 and I'm actually liking it LunarEclipse120
May 15 20:49:25 <LunarEclipse120> drose379: Well I needed Linux so I can build TWPR
May 15 20:49:26 <LunarEclipse120> *TWRP
May 15 20:49:41 <LunarEclipse120> drose379: I've used Ubunutu too; I like Mint better
May 15 20:51:33 <drose379> What do you like better about Mint? Jw
May 15 20:54:34 <LunarEclipse120> drose379: GUI
May 15 20:54:39 <LunarEclipse120> I don't like ubuntu's
May 15 20:55:17 <spid3rMin3> eh guys
May 15 20:55:24 <LunarEclipse120> spid3rMin3: Sup
May 15 20:56:17 <spid3rMin3> I got an activity with a recycle view , when you click an item within the view it loads another activity with a closer view of the item
May 15 20:56:37 <spid3rMin3> when i click the back button on the closer view activity the recycle view refreshes and the place of scroll is gone
May 15 20:57:45 <spid3rMin3> I'm calling my onClick listener from an adapter ... and : intent.addFlags(Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_NEW_TASK) is needed to get to the next activity
May 15 20:58:56 <drose379> Hmm, what are you doing in onStop of the list activity
May 15 20:59:01 <drose379> Or onStart
May 15 20:59:04 <g00s> spid3rMin3 why new task ...
May 15 21:01:05 <spid3rMin3> drose379 : in the onCreate() of the fragment that contains the recycleView it creates the recycleView and assigns the layoutManeger
May 15 21:01:18 <spid3rMin3> and g00s, can you explain?
May 15 21:01:21 <drose379> What about other lifecycle methods
May 15 21:01:34 <spid3rMin3> I havnt specified them with the class
May 15 21:01:59 <spid3rMin3> I assumed that since I never called the .finish() , that the activity would not destroy
May 15 21:02:16 <g00s> spid3rMin3 put a log in onDestroy()
May 15 21:02:22 <g00s> learning time :)
May 15 21:03:00 <drose379> Well if youre just going to a new activity it wont get destroyed right
May 15 21:15:47 <spid3rMin3> ok, so if I were to save the activity as a whole, would that also save the items loaded in my recycleView with the scroll amount (items are fetched in random order each time)
May 15 21:22:45 <orbyt_> should i stay away from git submodules?
May 15 21:23:50 <cv-ess> Anyone have any ideas on how to make this work? I’ve been spinning my wheels all weekend? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37231894/using-gson-and-retrofit-2-to-deserialize-complex-api-responses
May 15 21:24:48 <Mavrik> What a terrible API O.o
May 15 21:24:59 <Mavrik> What kind of moron puts HTTP response code in the payload.
May 15 21:25:36 <cv-ess> haha, it’s not technically the http code
May 15 21:25:44 <cv-ess> it returns 200s even on failures
May 15 21:25:44 <Mavrik> cv-ess, anyway, wrap it into an object
May 15 21:25:59 <cv-ess> Like facebook does. But I agree, this API is a disaster
May 15 21:26:05 <Mavrik> And use @SerializedName() to map names
May 15 21:26:18 <Mavrik> You'll have to follow the structure with your Java objects
May 15 21:26:23 <Mavrik> And perhaps ease your pain with getters
May 15 21:26:37 <Mavrik> Ah.
May 15 21:26:44 <Mavrik> I guess IDs change right_
May 15 21:26:45 <Mavrik> ?
May 15 21:26:58 <cv-ess> yeah, this is a really simplified example for a really messy API
May 15 21:27:08 <cv-ess> but it illustrates the problem
May 15 21:27:33 <Mavrik> Hrmf.
May 15 21:27:42 <cv-ess> object and sub-objects are returns “flat”, per object
May 15 21:27:47 <Mavrik> Well yeah, you could create a type adapter
May 15 21:28:00 <cv-ess> I’m ready to pull what little hair I have left out
May 15 21:28:02 <Mavrik> But I've never parsed a complex structure with those.
May 15 21:28:03 <cv-ess> with the type adapter
May 15 21:28:15 <cv-ess> dealing with generics in the type adapter rather
May 15 21:28:40 <Mavrik> Hmm, do you have to deal with those?
May 15 21:28:51 <cv-ess> well, how else do I handle the wrapper?
May 15 21:28:53 <Mavrik> E.g. you could map the whole structure into a single Employee object? Or is it too complex?
May 15 21:29:01 <Mavrik> Basically say
May 15 21:29:44 <cv-ess> yeah, I see what you mean. So I could have Gson just straight map all the fields to an EmployeeResponse object
May 15 21:29:52 <Mavrik> https://gist.github.com/izacus/1b6f29c3c080bc02e2b15cc5763d6b4d
May 15 21:29:54 <cv-ess> and then map that to the Employee object I actaully want
May 15 21:30:08 <Mavrik> And then register a type adapter for Employee.class
May 15 21:30:12 <Mavrik> Which eats up the whole block and fills in the fields.
May 15 21:30:25 <Mavrik> It's probably going to be messy, but I don't think you can parse such API in a pretty way.
May 15 21:31:06 <cv-ess> yeah, that’s def an option. it’s messier also because I need to handle the singular non-list version too
May 15 21:31:42 <Mavrik> That's fine, since you can do the same
May 15 21:31:55 <Mavrik> class MyEmployee { @SerializedName("data") Employee employee }
May 15 21:32:38 <cv-ess> yeah, I think that might be the best way to do this
May 15 21:33:00 <Mavrik> I have a few of those around, haven't found a better way
May 15 21:33:08 <cv-ess> okay, thanks. let me try this. considering I’ve spent my entire weekend working on this one issue that I expected to take like 20 mins
May 15 21:35:27 <Gaulois94> Hello
May 15 21:36:22 <Gaulois94> Hum... With native application, where should I pass the Surface to my native code ? I have a SurfaceView which is connected to a SurfaceCallback and if I pass the surface got by the older, I have an EGL_BAD_SURFACE during my eglSwapBuffer
May 15 21:58:54 <jsav> If I have a question about the DOM xml parser, is this the appropriate channel or should I head over to #java?
May 15 21:59:43 <Mavrik> weeell
May 15 21:59:46 <Mavrik> You can try both.
May 15 21:59:58 <drose379> Use simplexml
May 15 22:00:50 <jsav> Well my question is... why am I getting a FileNotFoundException when calling connection.getInputStream()?
May 15 22:02:17 <Mavrik> You'll have to provide more info :)
May 15 22:02:30 <Mavrik> Since the obvious answer to this is... you're opening a file that doesn't exist? :P
May 15 22:02:51 <jsav> Haha one sec.. girlfriend called me lol
May 15 22:02:59 <Gaulois94> no one has a hint about initialise opengl ?
May 15 22:03:48 <Mavrik> Gaulois94, I doubt there's many game developers here plus your info about what you're doing was very scarce.
May 15 22:03:49 <jsav> Okay done with that call..
May 15 22:04:27 <Gaulois94> Mavrik: Only trying to init my surface ^^"
May 15 22:04:34 <jsav> So, I'm simply opening a connection to a URL, using an HttpURLConnection, and I want the InputStream from it
May 15 22:05:34 <jsav> Dear lord I think I know what im doing wrong..
May 15 22:05:37 <jsav> Hold up
May 15 22:06:56 <Mavrik> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Rubber_Duck_(8374802487).jpg
May 15 22:11:40 <g00s> +1 rubber duck
May 15 22:19:10 <jsav> Nope, still doesnt work
May 15 22:43:39 <spid3rMin3> eh guys
May 15 22:45:26 <spid3rMin3> from google docs : http://pastebin.com/Q8Lzg8P0
May 15 22:45:55 <spid3rMin3> using this method , adds a backbutton but once clicked it restarts the parent activity
May 15 22:46:26 <spid3rMin3> while the smartphone back button reverts back to the activity at the state it was navigated away from
May 15 22:46:36 <spid3rMin3> anyone know whats up with that ?
May 15 22:48:38 <drose379> Are you extending AppCompatActiivty
May 15 22:49:34 <spid3rMin3> in the child activity ? yes
May 15 22:49:48 <spid3rMin3> http://developer.android.com/training/implementing-navigation/temporal.html#back-fragments
May 15 22:57:21 <Bam_Bam> Hi, I'm trying to save a file using this code (https://gist.github.com/anonymous/abd7af04210e07741173429da33aa6a1). It saves the files, but I have to reboot my phone to see new files. What am I doing wrong?
May 15 22:59:10 <Leeds> Bam_Bam: see the files how?
May 15 22:59:35 <Bam_Bam> mtp browser in windows explorer
May 15 23:00:04 <Bam_Bam> they don't show up in the directory listing until I reboot the phone
May 15 23:00:45 <Bam_Bam> Leeds: ^
May 15 23:00:57 <Leeds> meh, mtp
May 15 23:01:53 <broofa> noob question: I made the mistake of checking the "always use this device" checkbox in the device chooser.  Now I want to uncheck that... so how the heck do I get the device chooser panel back to do that?  Google is failing me on this. :-p (this on macosx, if that matters)
May 15 23:03:04 <Bam_Bam> broofa: I think you can simply close and re-open android studio. It prompts me each time I open it.
May 15 23:07:07 <g00s> based on 'What the Fragment?' session at I/O - sounds like they may have gotten some new features
May 15 23:10:44 <Bam_Bam> does anyone have any ideas what I need to do to make MTP show newly created files? I've not found anything that works on stackoverflow or google yet
May 15 23:21:48 <broofa> Bam_Bam: nope, not working for me.  still no chooser.  :-/
May 15 23:22:49 <Bam_Bam> sorry, I've never had that problem. I think my problem can be fixed by using mediascannerconnection at least.
May 15 23:36:56 <g00s> in the i/o app, the bio for romain says 'works on Android graphics and UI technologies at Google' -- did he switch back into the platform team ?
May 15 23:37:06 <g00s> i thought he was doing robotics or something
May 15 23:45:50 <drose379> Anyone ever seen this: Attempt to write to field 'android.support.v4.app.FragmentManagerImpl android.support.v4.app.Fragment.mFragmentManager' on a null object reference
May 15 23:46:03 <g00s> yeah i see that now and then
May 15 23:46:10 <g00s> usually seems to be my mistake
May 15 23:46:25 <g00s> just a terribly confusing error message ;)
May 15 23:46:33 <drose379> Exactly
May 15 23:46:38 <drose379> What the heck does it mean?
May 15 23:46:46 <g00s> uh i forgot :(
May 15 23:46:52 <drose379> Ah alright
May 15 23:46:57 <drose379> Thanks anyways
May 15 23:47:00 <g00s> it means you messed up :D
May 15 23:47:08 <drose379> Basically
May 15 23:48:55 <macksay> hi guys im trying to get a android app started in intellij but i always come across an Error retrieving parent for item: No resource found that matches the given name 'Theme.AppCompat.Light'. I installed appcompat-v7 and support-v4
May 15 23:48:57 <macksay> it even installs some dependencies with it, but i still get the error. I'm using API 23 and the support repository is 23 as well. I'm using 23.4.0 for the version of appcompat and support-v4 and still cant figure out what the problem seems to be
May 15 23:49:17 <macksay> any ideas about that?
May 15 23:49:28 <g00s> make sure your apps theme inherits from that
May 15 23:49:44 <g00s> if it doesn't, appcompat complains
May 15 23:50:09 <macksay>  <style name="AppTheme" parent="Theme.AppCompat.Light.DarkActionBar">
May 15 23:50:15 <macksay> it does but cant find it
May 15 23:50:27 <g00s> hm
May 15 23:51:12 <g00s> macksay and you remembered to set the theme in AndroidManifest.xml ?
May 15 23:51:42 <g00s> on the <application> tag ?
May 15 23:52:19 <g00s> also, is this IDE complaining , or android ?
May 15 23:54:13 <macksay> g00s: yes I set it in the xml and its the IDE. When trying to run the ApplicationTest by IntelliJ
May 15 23:58:21 <g00s> macksay not sure then, sorry
May 15 23:58:46 <g00s> heh this is cool. sooner or later, people will realize - this is all you needed anyhow, to hell with smartphones :) http://www.spareone.com
May 15 23:59:15 <BigZ> Just a general question: I've been hunting for an android developer position. Would I stand out if I made an application that demonstrates my various skills to compliment my resume?
May 15 23:59:27 <BigZ> Or would an employer not even bother with that sort of thing?
May 15 23:59:33 <g00s> BigZ its minimum requirement
May 15 23:59:40 <BigZ> oh?
May 15 23:59:53 <g00s> for most part, almost every job thing i see says 'several apps in store'
May 16 00:00:08 <g00s> and that was a few years ago ;)
May 16 00:00:23 <BigZ> I've applied to small tech companies in my city, they haven't asked for that.
May 16 00:00:32 <BigZ> I figured making an app specifically showcasing my skills would be a cool idea.
May 16 00:00:38 <g00s> interesting
May 16 00:00:51 <BigZ> Dunno how original that is though, or if they would even bother.
May 16 00:01:37 <BigZ> Stuff like various Google API integration, networking, file management, device hardware usage (camera, etc)
May 16 00:02:23 <BigZ> This isn't for a major company.
May 16 00:12:49 <drose379> Cant hurt BigZ
May 16 00:13:53 <BigZ> Okay, thanks
May 16 00:26:21 <orbyt_> hey guys
May 16 00:26:25 <orbyt_> look at this: https://d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/345970/screenshots/2245854/shot.png
May 16 00:26:33 <orbyt_> see those characters in the bottom right screen
May 16 00:26:41 <orbyt_> pretend they could walk around and were animated
May 16 00:26:47 <orbyt_> is this something you would need unity for?
May 16 00:26:50 <orbyt_> or libgdx?
May 16 00:29:46 <LunarEclipse120> orbyt_: You don
May 16 00:29:52 <LunarEclipse120> 't need any of those for anything
May 16 00:29:59 <LunarEclipse120> They just make it easier
May 16 00:30:08 <orbyt_> ...wat
May 16 00:30:51 <LunarEclipse120> orbyt_: You don't need Unity or Libgdx to make anything
May 16 00:31:11 <orbyt_> you cant really make a full blown mobile game in android studio
May 16 00:31:18 <orbyt_> so yes you would need them
May 16 00:31:25 <orbyt_> but were getting off topic..
May 16 01:18:41 <TrentonAdams> I'm getting a null pointer exception access an activity member variable.  The class structure is activity -> ViewPager -> FragmentPagerAdapter -> fragment.  The fragment is trying to access the member variables of the activity.  The member variables is a list of strings, and is initialized at declaration, so I don't see how it's even possible for it to be null
May 16 01:18:46 <TrentonAdams> ideas?
May 16 01:20:21 <BigZ> Are the strings globals?
May 16 01:21:04 <BigZ> TrentonAdams
May 16 01:21:37 <TrentonAdams> BigZ, I've got them as package local for now
May 16 01:21:44 <TrentonAdams> Just to see if I could get it working
May 16 01:22:44 <TrentonAdams> newb moment BigZ, lol.
May 16 01:22:50 <BigZ> ?
May 16 01:22:51 <TrentonAdams> It's the activity that is null.
May 16 01:22:52 <TrentonAdams> lol
May 16 01:22:56 <BigZ> oh
May 16 01:22:59 <TrentonAdams> Okay, step away from the keyboard.
May 16 01:23:04 <BigZ> me?
May 16 01:23:07 <TrentonAdams> No, me
May 16 01:23:09 <TrentonAdams> lol
May 16 01:23:10 <BigZ> haha
May 16 01:23:18 <BigZ> so you got it?
May 16 01:23:26 <TrentonAdams> I think so, just confirming, two seconds.
May 16 01:23:46 <TrentonAdams> It won't technically let me debug in an adapter for some reason.  Doing a log.
May 16 01:27:27 <TrentonAdams> confirmed.  It's been awhile since I did android stuff, so I'm obviously miss understanding the life cycle.
May 16 01:27:34 <TrentonAdams> BigZ, ^^^^
May 16 01:27:52 <BigZ> sounds like a simple enough thing to overlook is all
May 16 01:27:56 <BigZ> glad you sorted it out
May 16 01:30:44 <TrentonAdams> I'm trying to figure out fragment communication with the activity.  At what point is it safe to access activity stuff?
May 16 01:31:37 <TrentonAdams> Also, separate question.  When I'm doing FragmentPagerAdapter, I'm getting the impression that no fragment transaction stuff is required, just return an instance from getItem() implementation, correct?
May 16 01:32:19 <GwaiLo> Hi, I'm wanting to understand more about MDM and the docs seem pretty sparse. If I wanted to be able to enable / disable apps at certain times of the day, would that be possible?
May 16 01:34:57 <drose379> TrentonAdams: Use an interface
May 16 01:35:20 <drose379> You shouldnt allow the fragment full access to the parent activity
May 16 01:35:33 <TrentonAdams> drose379, Yep, I plan to.  I'm just playing right now
May 16 01:35:48 <drose379> Cool
May 16 01:36:14 <TrentonAdams> I just need to know at what point I should be accessing it.  Cause the fragment stuff can't be accessing it in onCreateView apparently.  Anything after onActivityCreated I presume?
May 16 01:36:39 <GwaiLo> I'm not asking for a walkthrough... just want to make sure I'm going down a path that is possible
May 16 01:43:11 <TrentonAdams> GwaiLo, Don't even know what an MDM is! :P
May 16 01:43:35 <GwaiLo> hehe... mobile device management ( http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/admin/device-admin.html#policies )
May 16 01:45:26 <GwaiLo> I'm trying to figure out how, using those permissions, how I could turn on / off the apps that the user is allowed to use
May 16 01:46:02 <GwaiLo> and also do things like permanently turn on a vpn so I can do server side content filtering etc.
May 16 01:52:19 <g00s> https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FXCCYxepsDU
May 16 02:06:20 <akash6023> help me for connectivity between android and mongodb
May 16 02:11:59 <An_a_coda> Hi folks.  If I have a service running in a separate process, do I still need to use a thread for network access or doesn't it matter if it blocks?
May 16 02:12:29 <g00s> An_a_coda still need thread
May 16 02:13:06 <An_a_coda> g00s: Even if nothing is waiting on the service?
May 16 02:13:21 <orbyt_> you cant make network req on the main thread at all
May 16 02:13:30 <An_a_coda> Even in a service? :-O
May 16 02:13:41 <orbyt_> are you really asking a third time
May 16 02:13:43 <orbyt_> lol
May 16 02:13:46 <An_a_coda> Yeap pretty much
May 16 02:13:58 <An_a_coda> Just surprised that's the default policy if the service is in its own process that's all
May 16 02:13:58 <g00s> An_a_coda don't block the main thread, ever ;)
May 16 02:14:16 <orbyt_> an intentservice runs in a seperate thread by default
May 16 02:14:29 <An_a_coda> I am running in a separate process not just a separate thread
May 16 02:14:37 <orbyt_> i know...
May 16 02:14:47 <g00s> An_a_coda you're not asking a 4th time are you ...
May 16 02:14:49 <An_a_coda> Oh well, thanks, threads
May 16 02:14:59 <akash6023> help me for connectivity between android and mongodb
May 16 02:15:38 <g00s> akash6023 not sure if any of us have ever done webscale before ...
May 16 02:15:39 <An_a_coda> Which would be the best approach out of a new Thread's or an ASyncTask pool?
May 16 02:15:56 <An_a_coda> Is it an issue if ASyncTasks are blocky in a service?
May 16 02:17:36 <An_a_coda> Sad times: When asked who was to responsible for the vulnerability,  McAfee was quick to say WhatsApp should not be blamed, and the problem  is with Google. He claims to have discovered a serious design flaw within the Android operating system that allowed his team to access virtually everything happening within all Android devices.  http://cybersecurityventures.com/whatsapp-message-hacked-by-john-mcafee-and-crew/
May 16 02:18:21 <akash6023> <g00s> i am already doing this with java code but i didnt understand in android-app where i put the code
May 16 02:18:31 <An_a_coda> Thanks y'all, ttfn
May 16 02:20:51 <akash6023> can nobody in this room help me???
May 16 02:21:19 <g00s> akash6023 i doubt it, its too general a question
May 16 02:21:32 <g00s> this is best for questions about android apis, not how to design your app
May 16 02:21:42 <g00s> or integrate your app with a service
May 16 02:23:16 <g00s> McAfee always bringing the drama :)
May 16 02:23:38 <akash6023> plz understand that it is my college project... and im new in android ...i m already search this on googl but ...
May 16 02:23:53 <TrentonAdams> How would you make a fragment inside a FragmentPagerAdapter have an ID that you can later look up, considering it's simple an instantiated object returned from getItem()?
May 16 02:24:06 <g00s> akash6023 also this isn't a place for homework :D
May 16 02:24:35 <akash6023> but only here i will get the help
May 16 02:25:07 <g00s> TrentonAdams yeah, you would need to write your own FragmentPagerAdapter ... or assume their format which is something like android:switcher:id
May 16 02:25:32 <g00s> akash6023 you'll be waiting for a long time ... you might not graduate !
May 16 02:26:08 <g00s> akash6023 don't PM me
May 16 02:26:26 <akash6023> what is pm
May 16 02:26:34 <bankai_> prime minister
May 16 02:26:47 <TrentonAdams> g00s, Interesting, I did write my own.  But how do I make them have IDs?
May 16 02:26:58 <TrentonAdams> i.e. I've implemented the getItem().
May 16 02:27:06 <g00s> TrentonAdams i mean FragmentPager
May 16 02:27:14 <g00s> sorry haha
May 16 02:27:45 <TrentonAdams> g00s, Oh, fragment pager.  Is that something you tell the ViewPager to use?
May 16 02:28:24 <TrentonAdams> g00s, I see no such thing as a "FragmentPager"
May 16 02:28:54 <g00s> TrentonAdams uh sorry, you need to implement your own PagerAdapter
May 16 02:29:12 <g00s> so you would need to rewrite FragmentPagerAdapter
May 16 02:30:25 <TrentonAdams> g00s, So there's essentially no way of communicating with fragments from an activity, unless you write it yourself?
May 16 02:34:53 <g00s> TrentonAdams as you see, its pretty tricky
May 16 02:35:30 <g00s> its not a very well designed api
May 16 02:40:55 <TrentonAdams> g00s, Well that's just annoying. :P
May 16 02:42:15 <TrentonAdams> g00s, Do you happen to know at which stage my activity is accessible by the fragment?  Even at the onAttach() stage, it's null
May 16 02:42:49 <TrentonAdams> And I think onActivityCreated as well, I'm going to try that one again.
May 16 02:57:25 <PandaVengeance> hi
May 16 02:57:56 <PandaVengeance> I have a question if any developers online.
May 16 02:58:53 <Leeds> PandaVengeance: don't ask to ask...
May 16 02:59:38 <PandaVengeance> Currently working on an application but can't debug it due to NineFrameLayout.java
May 16 02:59:59 <PandaVengeance> Cant find the dang symbol for it.
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