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Oct 31 13:47:09 <pbaxter> hi all
Oct 31 14:54:50 <serdar__> hi jancona
Oct 31 15:07:27 <jancona> Hi serdar__
Oct 31 15:29:06 <pbaxter> hi again
Oct 31 15:58:38 <jancona> serdar__: I asked Rod Whitby to start archiving this channel. So it's now available at: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/and2moko.txt (current day)
Oct 31 15:59:17 <jancona> Presumably previous days will be at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/and2moko/
Oct 31 16:00:20 <serdar__> can he link android-on-freerunner.txt to and2moko.txt?
Oct 31 16:00:41 <serdar__> or better the directory
Oct 31 16:01:52 <serdar__> jancona, you got it?
Oct 31 16:02:44 <jancona> serdar__: got what?
Oct 31 16:05:41 <serdar__> the two lines above
Oct 31 16:17:33 <jancona> I did. What don't you like the and2moko name?? :-)
Oct 31 16:17:54 <jancona> I don't really want to bug him about it. We can link the archives from the wiki to make it clear what they are.
Oct 31 16:18:20 <serdar__> no but are there people useing #android-on-freerunner?
Oct 31 16:47:25 <brian_> the name kinda makes it difficult to find
Oct 31 16:48:40 <serdar__> and2moko should be easy to find.
Oct 31 17:00:54 <jonkristian> serdar__: hey
Oct 31 17:01:03 <serdar__> hi jonkristian
Oct 31 17:01:49 <jonkristian> serdar__: if i want to build now, are the changes commited?
Oct 31 17:09:13 <serdar_> nope they aren't
Oct 31 17:09:15 <serdar_> this is a problem because the code is broken
Oct 31 17:10:40 <jonkristian> serdar__: ah
Oct 31 17:11:37 <serdar> brrr
Oct 31 17:11:41 <serdar> jancona, you got it?
Oct 31 17:12:54 <serdar> args
Oct 31 17:12:57 <serdar> I meant jonkristian
Oct 31 17:16:02 <jonkristian> yeah
Oct 31 17:16:13 <jonkristian> too bad
Oct 31 17:17:53 <serdar> I can give you a patch, but this is not the same like google did.
Oct 31 17:19:24 <jonkristian> It's alright
Oct 31 17:19:33 <jonkristian> I don't need to build anything now
Oct 31 17:19:35 <jonkristian> just curious
Oct 31 17:20:20 <serdar> the problem is ,that I can't build too
Oct 31 17:20:26 <jonkristian> ouch
Oct 31 17:20:31 <jonkristian> what's been going on then?
Oct 31 17:20:45 <serdar> and after we switch all to glibc 2.10 nobody can.
Oct 31 17:20:55 <jonkristian> hehe
Oct 31 17:24:00 <serdar> jonkristian, I send my patch as RFC patch at the mailing list.
Oct 31 17:28:20 <jonkristian> f00d
Oct 31 17:33:04 <serdar> jonkristian, where?
Oct 31 17:51:29 <jonkristian> home:)
Oct 31 17:54:42 <serdar> http://codepad.org/22D2beYJ
Oct 31 17:54:45 <serdar> hm
Oct 31 18:06:32 <panicking> jancona, I have prepared an image that use the cpufreq scaling
Oct 31 18:06:44 <panicking> and the change in the vendor part
Oct 31 18:06:46 <panicking> to support it
Oct 31 18:07:16 <panicking> I think that I will push the init diff because it's not a problem if the
Oct 31 18:07:18 <panicking> kernel change
Oct 31 18:07:42 <Y0gi> hi
Oct 31 18:07:47 <Y0gi> everyone
Oct 31 18:08:14 <Y0gi> an still facing diff. in connecting to GPRS
Oct 31 18:08:34 <Y0gi> am using the latest build from Google
Oct 31 18:09:12 <Y0gi> even after defiining the access points..the phone seems to ignore any GPRS signal
Oct 31 18:09:22 <Y0gi> its only GSM as of now
Oct 31 18:09:45 <Y0gi> is GPRS working of FR now?
Oct 31 18:10:16 <Y0gi> any help will be appreciated?
Oct 31 18:10:35 <serdar> hi panicking
Oct 31 18:10:49 <serdar> http://codepad.org/22D2beYJ look at this
Oct 31 18:11:37 <pbaxter> jonkristian: what are you using now?
Oct 31 18:13:45 <jancona> panicking: That's a change to init.rc to support the freq scaling?
Oct 31 18:14:05 <panicking> write /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq 100000
Oct 31 18:14:05 <panicking> write /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ondemand
Oct 31 18:14:15 <panicking> this too,but we need the new kernel patches
Oct 31 18:14:19 <panicking> I'm working on it
Oct 31 18:14:30 <panicking> I have prepared a downloadable image
Oct 31 18:14:36 <panicking> in my download area to test
Oct 31 18:14:41 <jancona> So that does nothing without the kernel patches?
Oct 31 18:14:45 <panicking> with the daily build
Oct 31 18:14:53 <serdar> wait
Oct 31 18:14:53 <panicking> the patches are under testing
Oct 31 18:15:02 <serdar> the daily build contains these two RFC patches
Oct 31 18:15:07 <panicking> in my private kernel tree
Oct 31 18:15:11 <serdar> and it does not contain the vibrator patch.
Oct 31 18:15:29 <panicking> Do an image with what you find in the repo
Oct 31 18:15:40 <panicking> I have some trouble with the last one patches
Oct 31 18:15:45 <lord-carlos> hi there, i just installed android
Oct 31 18:15:47 <lord-carlos> wokrs fine
Oct 31 18:15:51 <serdar> the next daily(weekly) will contain it.
Oct 31 18:15:53 <lord-carlos> *works
Oct 31 18:16:13 <serdar> panicking, can you tell me your toolchain? gcc and glibc
Oct 31 18:16:29 <panicking> host gcc
Oct 31 18:16:29 <panicking> ?
Oct 31 18:16:34 <serdar> yes
Oct 31 18:16:47 <panicking> Using built-in specs.
Oct 31 18:16:47 <panicking> Target: x86_64-linux-gnu
Oct 31 18:16:47 <panicking> Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.3.4-2' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.3 --program-suffix=-4.3 --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstd
Oct 31 18:16:47 <panicking> cxx-debug --enable-objc-gc --enable-mpfr --with-tune=generic --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu
Oct 31 18:16:52 <panicking> Thread model: posix
Oct 31 18:16:55 <panicking> gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-2)
Oct 31 18:16:55 <serdar> I see it's 4.3
Oct 31 18:17:09 <panicking> install the old one toolchain
Oct 31 18:17:16 <panicking> add the repository in the apt-get
Oct 31 18:17:18 <panicking> and install it
Oct 31 18:17:33 <serdar> the problem is not gcc only but glibc
Oct 31 18:17:46 <serdar> and downgrading glibc is really bad.
Oct 31 18:17:52 <panicking> ok but you can install the old gcc chain
Oct 31 18:18:27 <lord-carlos> how can i close an Programm? Wenn i press AUX, i see browser, and dailer, settings and some other programms still runnig
Oct 31 18:19:18 <pbaxter> lord-carlos: you must search for a task-manager
Oct 31 18:19:40 <panicking> I never close program, just wait for the killer
Oct 31 18:19:41 <panicking> :)
Oct 31 18:20:07 <serdar> it's a android design you can't close program's
Oct 31 18:20:08 <panicking> jancona, what do you think abot FOSDOM
Oct 31 18:20:11 <panicking> ?
Oct 31 18:20:15 <serdar> me?
Oct 31 18:20:17 <serdar> args
Oct 31 18:20:18 <lord-carlos> eh .. ok
Oct 31 18:20:18 <serdar> sorry
Oct 31 18:20:39 <serdar> I am tired :/
Oct 31 18:20:42 <panicking> :)
Oct 31 18:20:51 <panicking> ?
Oct 31 18:20:56 <jancona> panicking: You mean FOSDEM?
Oct 31 18:21:04 <panicking> yes
Oct 31 18:21:05 <panicking> :)
Oct 31 18:21:07 <panicking> sorry
Oct 31 18:21:29 <jancona> I will discuss it with my wife--she's been away for a few days
Oct 31 18:21:32 <serdar> lord-carlos, if I understand it correctly that Android is designed for not closing apps.
Oct 31 18:22:11 <serdar> I will come. it's 3h of driving.
Oct 31 18:22:17 <jancona> Maybe she will want to come and visit Brussels, if I can get a cheap flight
Oct 31 18:22:18 <serdar> maybe
Oct 31 18:22:44 <jancona> panicking: are you going?
Oct 31 18:23:10 <serdar> jancona, he want's Düsseldorfer Schumacher ALT, he will come.
Oct 31 18:23:14 <serdar> wants
Oct 31 18:23:48 <jancona> She likes to geocache, so she likes to visit new places
Oct 31 18:24:06 <serdar> hehe.
Oct 31 18:24:17 <pbaxter> but will you all go there?
Oct 31 18:24:17 <serdar> and the EU parlament should be there I guess.
Oct 31 18:24:17 <panicking> ok
Oct 31 18:24:33 <panicking> Do we have a room
Oct 31 18:24:34 <panicking> ?
Oct 31 18:24:36 <jancona> Serdar: I like Altbier. I used to brew my own beer and my favorite was an Alt
Oct 31 18:25:09 <serdar> I take orders :)
Oct 31 18:25:51 <serdar> panicking, there are some hotels
Oct 31 18:25:58 <jancona> If I come, I won't be able to carry much on the plane
Oct 31 18:26:01 <jancona> so we'll have to drink it there...
Oct 31 18:27:06 <lord-carlos> mhh, some one knows why the "enter" button in the terminal emulator does not work?
Oct 31 18:27:28 <serdar> I never drink beer.
Oct 31 18:27:43 <serdar> Bread needs to be baken.
Oct 31 18:27:43 <Y0gi> guys any help on GPRS?
Oct 31 18:27:58 <panicking> sorry a devroom
Oct 31 18:28:03 <panicking> for a presentation
Oct 31 18:28:05 <panicking> or somenthing
Oct 31 18:28:57 <Y0gi> why cant i get GPRS? am using the latest image from google "android on freerunner " site?
Oct 31 18:29:41 <serdar> panicking, I guess so.
Oct 31 18:30:31 <serdar> maybe we should add our names there http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fosdem_2010
Oct 31 18:31:54 <pbaxter> where is the fosdem?
Oct 31 18:33:10 <serdar> The FOSDEM team thinks it is very important for Free Software and Open Source developers around the world to be able to meet in "real life". To this end, we have set up Developer Rooms (DevRooms) with network/internet connectivity and projectors where development teams can meet and showcase their projects. DevRooms are a place for teams to discuss, hack and publicly present latest directions, lightning talks, news and discussion
Oct 31 18:33:10 <serdar> s.
Oct 31 18:33:16 <serdar> panicking, will this help?
Oct 31 18:33:26 <serdar> pbaxter, Belgia
Oct 31 18:33:51 <pbaxter> serdar: reading now the wiki :)
Oct 31 18:34:04 <serdar> hmm there are LPI exams.
Oct 31 18:38:57 <lord-carlos> how can i rotate the screen?
Oct 31 18:39:43 <serdar> jancona, we can help openstreetmap in Bruxelles
Oct 31 18:40:08 <serdar> lord-carlos, you don't want that!
Oct 31 18:40:37 <lord-carlos> ok
Oct 31 18:51:36 <pbaxter> serdar: you'r cool
Oct 31 18:51:52 <pbaxter> lord-carlos: it slows down the whole droid..so don't use rotate
Oct 31 18:52:02 <lord-carlos> ok thanks
Oct 31 18:52:36 <lord-carlos> i donwloaded some app file (.apk) on my computer .. how do i get themon the phone? And how do i install them?
Oct 31 18:52:53 <serdar> there need an improvement of rotation.
Oct 31 18:53:18 <serdar> adb install -r app.apk
Oct 31 18:54:23 <pbaxter> serdar: why "-r"?
Oct 31 18:54:30 <serdar> jancona, http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=16380 I guess we need to join this group.
Oct 31 18:54:58 <lord-carlos> sorry, i just installed Android. So i must first install this?: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/AndroidDebugBridge ?
Oct 31 18:55:09 <serdar> pbaxter, if it is installed you need -r
Oct 31 18:55:31 <serdar> you need the adb app on your pc
Oct 31 18:56:06 <serdar> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html
Oct 31 18:56:21 <pbaxter> serdar: i don't use "-r" and it works
Oct 31 18:56:43 <serdar> pbaxter, for installed program's too?
Oct 31 18:57:07 <lord-carlos> thanks serdar
Oct 31 18:57:09 <pbaxter> serdar: but what's the cool to install programs you have already installed?
Oct 31 18:57:24 <lord-carlos> pbaxter: new version maybe
Oct 31 18:58:39 <pbaxter> lord-carlos: yes that's ok
Oct 31 18:58:47 <pbaxter> but i usually use adb install nameofapp.apk
Oct 31 18:58:49 <pbaxter> and it works
Oct 31 18:59:53 <serdar> it works, when nameofapp is not installed.
Oct 31 19:00:11 <serdar> if you want install VoiceDialer.apk to test it you need to use -r
Oct 31 19:00:27 <lord-carlos> is adb part of the SDK? Or where can i donwload it?
Oct 31 19:03:50 <pbaxter> lord-carlos: it's on koolu.org
Oct 31 19:04:17 <lord-carlos> i also found it in here android-sdk-linux/tools
Oct 31 19:05:34 <pbaxter> so why do you ask ? ;)
Oct 31 19:08:16 <lord-carlos> i asked before i donwloaded the SDK
Oct 31 19:18:19 <pbaxter> bye all
Oct 31 19:38:39 <lord-carlos> how can i go back to the "desktop" ?
Oct 31 20:08:34 <serdar> re
Oct 31 20:08:42 <serdar> panicking, did you see my message before you left?
Oct 31 20:09:09 <serdar> panicking, they got devrooms
Oct 31 20:09:47 <panicking> ok, but do we have one?
Oct 31 20:10:10 <serdar> panicking, you can read it there http://www.fosdem.org/2010/about/fosdem
Oct 31 20:10:10 <serdar> panicking, I guess if we register a paper
Oct 31 20:10:46 <serdar> we should build a team who represents AoF
Oct 31 20:11:13 <serdar> You, larlin and (if he can) jancona.
Oct 31 20:11:20 <serdar> my suggestion.
Oct 31 20:11:24 <panicking> and you
Oct 31 20:11:25 <panicking> ?
Oct 31 20:12:20 <serdar> no idea, I am not in the material of AoF.
Oct 31 20:12:56 <serdar> only releaseing the builds that's all.
Oct 31 20:17:18 <serdar_> serdar> no idea, I am not in the material of AoF.
Oct 31 20:17:20 <serdar_> <serdar> only releaseing the builds that's all.
Oct 31 20:18:35 <serdar_> hi Aitch_
Oct 31 20:19:08 <Aitch_> Hi serdar, better watch what I say as it's being recorded :-)
Oct 31 20:19:35 <serdar_> we got Schäuble here in Germany.
Oct 31 20:20:40 <serdar_> http://www.tonsai.de/blog-de/wp-content/uploads/Stasi2.0MotivberarbeitetfrTextildruck_B128/stasi20_textildruck6.jpg this one.
Oct 31 20:24:23 <Aitch_> All, I got a login to Google wave today.  Anyone interested in an invite?
Oct 31 20:24:39 <serdar_> huh?
Oct 31 20:26:52 <serdar_> Aitch_, what's with FOSDEM, are you coming?
Oct 31 20:28:07 <Aitch_> It's a new collaboration tool.  http://wave.google.com
Oct 31 20:29:31 <serdar__> I know wave. but why do you need it today?
Oct 31 20:31:08 <Aitch_> Chicken & egg!  Need members to start collaborating
Oct 31 20:31:35 <Aitch_> You can use it for whatever you want.
Oct 31 20:32:59 <Aitch_> FOSDEM is too far in the future to decide.  It would be fun though.
Oct 31 20:33:38 <serdar__> too far? februar is near.
Oct 31 20:33:53 <serdar__> It's on my birthday hope you bring many presents :P
Oct 31 20:34:14 <Aitch_> :-))
Oct 31 20:35:22 <serdar__> so need to go to university, see you guys.
Oct 31 20:37:28 <u4ia> Aitch_: I'd like one :)
Oct 31 20:38:19 <Aitch_> Are you on the Google group with the same  user name?
Oct 31 20:39:28 <u4ia> hmm no
Oct 31 20:40:06 <Aitch_> Then I need your username or your email.
Oct 31 20:42:08 <u4ia> see your privmsg :)
Oct 31 20:44:46 <Aitch_> OK u4ia - done
Oct 31 20:45:04 <u4ia> thanks
Oct 31 22:02:40 <lord-carlos> can i give Android internet over USB?
Nov 01 01:54:56 <serdar_> hi
Nov 01 02:07:19 <serdar_> nobody awake?
Nov 01 02:09:40 <ColdEEEPc> .
Nov 01 02:10:16 <ColdFyre> ..
Nov 01 02:11:00 <serdar_> oh two cold people
Nov 01 02:11:17 <ColdFyre> cold and hungover!
Nov 01 02:11:25 <serdar_> again?
Nov 01 02:11:49 <ColdFyre> yesterday was my brithday, i have an excuse
Nov 01 02:12:05 <serdar_> heavy birthday!
Nov 01 02:12:12 <serdar_> err happy
Nov 01 02:13:31 <serdar_> you are born on halloween?
Nov 01 02:18:00 <ColdFyre> yesterday it was :p
Nov 01 02:18:33 <serdar_> halloween was yesterday
Nov 01 02:18:47 <serdar_> it's 1st November now.
Nov 01 02:19:02 <serdar_> I am coming from a halloween party.
Nov 01 02:19:20 <serdar_> and I am NOT drunk, like you!
Nov 01 02:28:16 <ColdFyre> lol, i'm not drunk today
Nov 01 02:31:28 <serdar_> I don't believe you :O
Nov 01 02:32:19 <serdar_> okay need to sleep. goodnight.
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