**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 19 02:59:57 2009
Nov 19 08:13:06 <mvzaanen> Morning
Nov 19 13:34:24 <pbaxter> hi all
Nov 19 13:38:42 <sledgeas> hello
Nov 19 13:40:00 <sledgeas> i have a three weeks old weekly: how can i install other applications? there is no android market app; and through browser it says You do not have permission to pen this page. market://search?=q=pname:com.eclipsm.gpsstatus2
Nov 19 13:40:36 <pbaxter> sledgeas: andappstore.com
Nov 19 13:40:39 <pbaxter> slideme.org
Nov 19 13:40:43 <pbaxter> lots of software
Nov 19 13:41:01 <pbaxter> else look at wiki in code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner
Nov 19 13:42:15 <sledgeas> with thanks a pint pbaxter
Nov 19 13:42:32 <sledgeas> andappstore did the trick (ie direct link to .apk)
Nov 19 13:43:12 <pbaxter> sledgeas: i didn't understand what' you'r saying
Nov 19 13:43:26 <sledgeas> s/with//
Nov 19 13:43:30 <sledgeas> thanks a lot pbaxter
Nov 19 13:44:12 <sledgeas> pbaxter: in the andappstore the applications are downloaded through http:// ... .apk files and not market:// , hence i could d/l and intstall the apps through the apk in browser
Nov 19 13:45:07 <pbaxter> yes i think so
Nov 19 13:46:41 <sledgeas> anyone succeeded to have andnav2 working? since the latest versions crash, the last working is not avail to download 0.8.8.1 #18, i am now trying http://www.andnav.org/tmp/AndNav2_temporary.apk but it does seems to focus on 0'0'0 0'0'0 coordinates and ignore gps :(
Nov 19 13:48:57 <sledgeas> strange, gps seems to be not fixed to the sattelites according to gpsstatus; i should try to going outside :} earlier it worked from my office
Nov 19 13:52:23 <sledgeas> and is not able to resolving addresses (although downloads tiles correctly)
Nov 19 13:54:11 <solar_george> i'm trying to install android on my FR but it allways hangs at the android-on-freerunner splash screen, i've tried v0.1.1, latest weekly and daily, two different uSD cards and dfu-utill and all have the same problem
Nov 19 13:54:27 <solar_george> does anyone have any ideas whats going wrong?
Nov 19 13:55:02 <pbaxter> solar_george: have you tried autoflashing?
Nov 19 13:55:51 <solar_george> you mean extracting to the SD card and booting from NOR - if so then yes
Nov 19 13:56:32 <larlin> have you restarted it again after it stops at the boot screen?
Nov 19 13:56:51 <larlin> For my phone I must restart it one time don't know why but then it works
Nov 19 13:57:06 <solar_george> i've tried that but i'll try again
Nov 19 13:57:18 <solar_george> how long do you have to wait on first boot with your phone?
Nov 19 13:57:57 <larlin> I usually leave it 5-10 min to be sure but in reallety I think it's needs less
Nov 19 13:59:17 <solar_george> right i'll try that then
Nov 19 14:00:35 <solar_george> will the install work without a SIM in the phone do you know?
Nov 19 14:31:52 <solar_george> larlin: doesn't appear to be working, i wiped the uSD, re-ran the installer, allowed it to hang for 10min, rebooted and its still hung after another ten
Nov 19 14:32:31 <larlin> to bad then I can oly suggest that you test to flash with fdu-util last hope I would say
Nov 19 14:32:50 <solar_george> done that and it didn't work
Nov 19 14:33:03 <solar_george> guess i've got an awkward FR
Nov 19 14:34:11 <mvzaanen> rebooting takes quite a while
Nov 19 14:34:18 <mvzaanen> 10 min should be enough though
Nov 19 14:35:04 <solar_george> i've never managed to get android onto my FR it allways hangs at the first splash screen, i've even left it overnight before
Nov 19 14:36:19 <mvzaanen> that's wierd
Nov 19 14:36:20 <audunb> I guess we've got my issue occuring again..
Nov 19 14:36:22 <audunb> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=16#c0
Nov 19 14:37:04 <audunb> I don't think that issue should have status invalid, I think this is the fifth person with same problem
Nov 19 14:39:13 <audunb> I think the problem is related to question 4 and 5 here: http://armlinux.simtec.co.uk/faq.html#faqquestion_73
Nov 19 14:39:45 <audunb> That's how far I got before I just changed my init.rc to use SD instead of NAND for storing user data
Nov 19 14:40:55 <audunb> (I got the messages in question 4 and 5 when I booted with debug messages enabled and splash screen disabled)
Nov 19 14:49:18 <solar_george> gtg i'll mess around with init.rc and see what happens
Nov 19 14:52:22 <skillZ> hello all
Nov 19 14:52:34 <skillZ> i am still having no luck getting the fido sim card to work
Nov 19 15:52:52 <jancona> audunb: I reopened issue 16--please update it any info you have
Nov 19 15:53:16 <jancona> skillZ: What problem are you having?
Nov 19 15:54:50 <jancona> skillZ: Have you looked at the Openmoko wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Some_SIMs_Don.27t_Work
Nov 19 18:36:51 <serdar> ahoi
Nov 19 18:38:26 <GovCon> ohai
Nov 19 18:42:39 <serdar> heißt
Nov 19 18:42:43 <serdar> args
Nov 19 18:43:57 <serdar> http://www.arm.com/products/os/android.html
Nov 19 18:44:07 <serdar> larlin, check this out
Nov 19 18:45:15 <larlin> anything specifik?
Nov 19 18:48:36 <serdar> nope.
Nov 19 19:59:34 <ColdFyre> .
Nov 19 20:08:47 <panicking> jancona,
Nov 19 20:08:50 <panicking> are you there
Nov 19 20:08:57 <panicking> I can boot eclair
Nov 19 20:09:04 <panicking> still have a crash an opencore
Nov 19 20:09:14 <panicking> but I'm retrying with the official toolchain
Nov 19 21:38:28 <jancona> panicking: So you got Eclair to boot?
Nov 19 21:38:38 <panicking> yes boot
Nov 19 21:38:43 <panicking> but crash on opencore
Nov 19 21:38:53 <panicking> I can see the display
Nov 19 21:38:56 <panicking> and you?
Nov 19 21:39:22 <panicking> do you boot eclair
Nov 19 21:39:22 <panicking> ?
Nov 19 21:39:29 <jancona> Haven't done much more.
Nov 19 21:40:01 <jancona> I haven't gotten it to get past the kernel. Last message is the init message I sent you
Nov 19 21:40:29 <panicking> but you copy the init in the /sbin/init
Nov 19 21:40:30 <jancona> I will check whether /sbin/init is there later
Nov 19 21:40:40 <skillZ> jacona: I have a fido sim card I bought but the phone won't register at all
Nov 19 21:40:42 <panicking> because qi look there
Nov 19 21:41:01 <jancona> Does the build usually copy it there?
Nov 19 21:41:04 <skillZ> I am not really sure what i am supposed to do
Nov 19 21:41:20 <skillZ> i went into settings and it searches and searches
Nov 19 21:41:23 <jancona> skillZ: Did you see my message earlier about the OM wiki?
Nov 19 21:41:28 <skillZ> yes
Nov 19 21:41:33 <skillZ> looked at it
Nov 19 21:41:46 <skillZ> i don't really see what i can do with it
Nov 19 21:41:50 <jancona> Have you upgraded GSM firmware?
Nov 19 21:41:54 <skillZ> i have already flashed the gsm firmware
Nov 19 21:41:57 <skillZ> yes
Nov 19 21:42:05 <skillZ> i mean i put it on a uSD
Nov 19 21:42:13 <skillZ> and it got through to the green message
Nov 19 21:42:21 <skillZ> still it says no service
Nov 19 21:42:29 <skillZ> i tried getting it to register
Nov 19 21:42:34 <skillZ> it acutally says it did
Nov 19 21:42:41 <skillZ> then if i try to dial it says its not
Nov 19 21:42:42 <jancona> Have you tried another distro?
Nov 19 21:42:55 <skillZ> well i had debian on it for a while
Nov 19 21:43:05 <skillZ> but i only go t a sim lately
Nov 19 21:43:20 <skillZ> i was using it for gps and other stuff until now
Nov 19 21:43:26 <panicking> ok
Nov 19 21:43:27 <jancona> It would be useful to know if it's Android or the SIM
Nov 19 21:43:31 <panicking> can you send me a radio logcat
Nov 19 21:43:32 <panicking> ?
Nov 19 21:43:34 <panicking> during boot
Nov 19 21:43:38 <skillZ> it just arose for the at using it as a phone would be good
Nov 19 21:43:48 <jancona> Trying it with another distro would tell you that
Nov 19 21:44:01 <skillZ> i remember making a few calls when i first got it
Nov 19 21:44:06 <skillZ> the sounds was messed
Nov 19 21:44:14 <skillZ> i had a rogers cell at the time
Nov 19 21:44:23 <skillZ> and stuck it in with the defauult os
Nov 19 21:44:28 <skillZ> and make a couple calls
Nov 19 21:44:30 <skillZ> as a atest
Nov 19 21:44:46 <jancona> The other thing to do would be to collect logs with logcat
Nov 19 21:45:03 <skillZ> i can do that if you like
Nov 19 21:45:08 <skillZ> i would really like to have it work
Nov 19 21:45:14 <skillZ> other things do
Nov 19 21:45:18 <skillZ> i use the gps alot
Nov 19 21:45:25 <skillZ> and wifi
Nov 19 21:45:44 <skillZ> how do i do this logcat bit
Nov 19 21:46:01 <panicking> ADBHOST=192.168.0.200 ./adb logcat
Nov 19 21:46:03 <panicking> 202
Nov 19 21:46:06 <panicking> sorry
Nov 19 21:46:07 <skillZ> k
Nov 19 21:46:09 <jancona> Both regular and radio logs might help. See http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/AndroidDebugBridge
Nov 19 21:46:10 <skillZ> i can do that
Nov 19 21:46:15 <skillZ> adb is totally new to me
Nov 19 21:46:16 <panicking> thanks
Nov 19 21:46:26 <skillZ> just playing cards with my kid now
Nov 19 21:46:33 <skillZ> after supper i will do it and come back
Nov 19 21:46:43 <skillZ> thanks guys for your interest
Nov 19 21:46:46 <skillZ> in helping
Nov 19 21:47:13 <jancona> Good luck. You're in Canada, I'm guessing?
Nov 19 21:47:39 <jancona> I should be around this evening if you have any questions
Nov 19 21:48:03 <skillZ> yep
Nov 19 21:48:08 <skillZ> the new canada inc.
Nov 19 21:48:21 <skillZ> as opposed to the old canada
Nov 19 21:48:28 <skillZ> the one everyone liked
Nov 19 21:52:59 <jancona> Well, I'm in the NE US, so I should be around after most of the Europeans have gone to bed
Nov 19 21:53:18 <skillZ> k m8
Nov 19 21:53:22 <skillZ> ty
Nov 19 21:55:14 <jancona> panicking: What does the init copy to sbin?
Nov 19 21:56:03 <panicking> I just said that the init must be copy in /sbin directory
Nov 19 21:57:18 <jancona> Sorry, I meant is there something in the build that should copy it there, or should I just do it manually?
Nov 19 22:05:52 <panicking> yes
Nov 19 22:06:17 <panicking> LOCAL_FORCE_STATIC_EXECUTABLE := true
Nov 19 22:06:17 <panicking> LOCAL_MODULE_PATH := $(TARGET_ROOT_OUT_SBIN)
Nov 19 22:06:17 <panicking> LOCAL_UNSTRIPPED_PATH := $(TARGET_ROOT_OUT_SBIN_UNSTRIPPED)
Nov 19 22:06:25 <panicking> in the system/core/init/Android.mk
Nov 19 22:06:37 <panicking> these  two line copy init in /system/sbin
Nov 19 22:06:47 <jancona> cool, got it
Nov 19 22:11:39 <panicking> Can you try
Nov 19 22:11:39 <panicking> ?
Nov 19 22:11:50 <panicking> that panic is related I think to the position
Nov 19 22:11:51 <panicking> of the file
Nov 19 22:12:07 <panicking> If it fail again is the compilation option or the toolchain
Nov 19 22:25:23 <jancona> I tried it. It still panics with "Not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
Nov 19 22:26:33 <jancona> Did you change any of the compile options or buildchain settings from the patch I sent you?
Nov 19 22:31:01 <jancona> I'm heading home. Maybe I'll talk to you later
Nov 19 22:31:40 <jancona> Drop me an email before you go to bed, if you have any suggestions
Nov 19 22:31:46 <jancona> cul
Nov 19 23:29:38 <serdar> hi
Nov 19 23:46:22 <serdar> hey panicking
Nov 19 23:46:30 <serdar> have you seen: http://www.arm.com/products/os/android.html
Nov 19 23:46:56 <panicking> yes
Nov 19 23:46:58 <panicking> but why?
Nov 19 23:49:25 <serdar> if we cooperate with them maybe our codes can be imported and used in future google releases.
Nov 20 00:09:43 <jancona> panicking: which toolchain did you use to build eclair?
Nov 20 00:10:31 <panicking> That is the big problem
Nov 20 00:10:39 <panicking> I must change the linux-arm.mk
Nov 20 00:10:42 <panicking> to use the oldone
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