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Dec 16 13:33:39 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 16 14:05:56 <schasch> hello ....my repo sync" ran without problems....
Dec 16 14:06:10 <schasch> but there was an error while compiling:
Dec 16 14:06:15 <schasch> http://paste.debian.net/54173/
Dec 16 14:08:19 <schasch> 3.xml  : http://paste.debian.net/54175/
Dec 16 14:08:55 <schasch> line  253614  is tge second                  <constructor name="CopyOnWriteArrayList"
Dec 16 14:27:08 <pbaxter> schasch: you know how to sync eclair?
Dec 16 14:53:23 <schasch> pbaxter: i did like discribed on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/ImproveIt#Working_with_the_source
Dec 16 14:53:34 <schasch> repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b cupcake
Dec 16 14:53:42 <schasch> repo sync
Dec 16 14:53:58 <schasch> (repo sync worked fine like never bofore :-)  )
Dec 16 14:54:21 <schasch> and then  :   make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner showcommands
Dec 16 14:54:52 <schasch> I did nothing süecial for eclair.......
Dec 16 14:55:11 <schasch> ...thougth without changes cupcake would be build...
Dec 16 14:55:39 <schasch> s/ süecial/special
Dec 16 14:57:21 <schasch> is the wiki on [http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/ImproveIt#Working_with_the_source]   not right anymore?
Dec 16 15:42:42 <panicking> Serdar,
Dec 16 15:42:47 <panicking> I have pushed different things
Dec 16 15:42:52 <panicking> in ril and kernel
Dec 16 15:42:58 <Serdar> where?
Dec 16 15:43:09 <Serdar> gitorous?
Dec 16 15:43:15 <panicking> yes
Dec 16 15:43:19 <Serdar> cupcake branch?
Dec 16 15:45:34 <panicking> yes
Dec 16 15:45:43 <panicking> I'm going to update
Dec 16 15:46:23 <Serdar> okay, then I rebuild my latest daily
Dec 16 15:52:24 <panicking> no I must update
Dec 16 15:52:28 <panicking> the kernel configuration
Dec 16 15:54:51 <panicking> done
Dec 16 15:56:23 <panicking> Can someone test the new version
Dec 16 15:56:24 <panicking> ?
Dec 16 16:11:53 <panicking> Serdar
Dec 16 16:11:57 <panicking> do you sync
Dec 16 16:12:00 <panicking> the repository
Dec 16 16:12:00 <panicking> ?
Dec 16 16:12:26 <Serdar1> I did
Dec 16 16:12:29 <Serdar1> I am building now.
Dec 16 16:34:23 <panicking> have you got all the update?
Dec 16 16:34:29 <panicking> git log in kernel directory
Dec 16 16:34:37 <panicking> and in ril directory
Dec 16 16:34:41 <panicking> what are the last commits?
Dec 16 16:35:57 <Serdar1> panicking, look at the mail.
Dec 16 16:36:20 <panicking> ok
Dec 16 16:36:26 <panicking> perfect you have all the things
Dec 16 16:36:44 <Serdar1> well well.
Dec 16 16:36:52 <Serdar1> what's with eclair?
Dec 16 16:40:08 <Serdar1> hi jancona
Dec 16 16:50:22 <panicking> do you have time to test it?
Dec 16 16:57:26 <jancona> Hi Serdar
Dec 16 16:57:43 <jancona> panicking: You've been busy!
Dec 16 16:58:21 <panicking> now, around now or in general
Dec 16 16:58:22 <panicking> :)
Dec 16 16:58:54 <jancona> I saw all your kernel commits
Dec 16 16:58:58 <panicking> When you have time can you add register to skype
Dec 16 16:59:25 <panicking> Ok, I push my internal repository
Dec 16 16:59:30 <panicking> with some changes
Dec 16 16:59:45 <panicking> frequency scaling
Dec 16 16:59:48 <panicking> no active now
Dec 16 16:59:50 <panicking> and FCSE
Dec 16 16:59:57 <panicking> and the fast context switch
Dec 16 17:00:19 <jancona> I'm looking forward to trying it out
Dec 16 17:00:21 <panicking> I would like to have more people that can test these things
Dec 16 17:00:48 <jancona> Well that's why we're building every day
Dec 16 17:01:13 <jancona> We may want to label last weeks build as a "stable" release
Dec 16 17:01:38 <jancona> Did you want me to register for skype?
Dec 16 17:02:19 <jancona> I bought a headset, but I was having trouble installing the Ubuntu client
Dec 16 17:04:30 <jancona> If you want, I will commit your earlier patch to Gitorious as an Eclair branch
Dec 16 17:04:44 <jancona> and update the manifest
Dec 16 17:04:58 <jancona> Then you can push your latest on top of that
Dec 16 17:05:03 <panicking> perfect
Dec 16 17:11:02 <panicking> Serdar1, does it boot?
Dec 16 17:18:38 <jancona> Ok, I will do that in a few minutes
Dec 16 17:18:38 <jancona> I'm at work and can't build, so you'll have to fix any errors
Dec 16 17:18:38 <jancona> Or I will this evening
Dec 16 17:49:52 <Serdar1> panicking, yes it does
Dec 16 17:50:45 <Serdar1> do you not use mumble anymore?
Dec 16 17:50:56 <panicking> yes if is required
Dec 16 17:50:57 <panicking> :D
Dec 16 17:50:58 <panicking> :)
Dec 16 17:51:28 <Serdar1> btw. do we have a paper for FOSDEM10?
Dec 16 17:52:47 <panicking> Have you got a devroom
Dec 16 17:52:50 <panicking> for fosdemm
Dec 16 17:52:51 <panicking> ?
Dec 16 17:54:12 <Serdar1> we don't?
Dec 16 17:54:27 <panicking> I don't know
Dec 16 17:54:37 <Serdar1> I thought we share a room with the other openmoko communities.
Dec 16 18:06:53 <pbaxter_> Serdar1: so you last daily work?
Dec 16 18:11:56 <pbaxter> Serdar1: so does your last daily work?
Dec 16 19:37:33 <jancona> panicking: The eclair branches and manifest are at Gitorious.
Dec 16 19:38:49 <jancona> repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b eclair should work now
Dec 16 19:43:35 <pbaxter> jancona: i tried this afternoon (i'm GMT + 1) and it didn't work
Dec 16 19:45:13 <jancona> pbaxter: Unless you tried in the last 15 minutes it wouldn't.
Dec 16 19:45:23 <pbaxter> ah ok
Dec 16 19:45:26 <pbaxter> i try now ;)
Dec 16 19:45:48 <jancona> Also, Id' wait until panicking his commited his changes. The stiff I had was old
Dec 16 19:46:13 <jancona> I was just getting the repository set up for him
Dec 16 20:55:55 <GovCon> ohai
Dec 16 20:56:05 <GovCon> im trying to manually backup the contacts via adb
Dec 16 20:56:15 <GovCon> am i right in thinking i should look in /data/data/com.google.android.providers.contacts/databases/contacts
Dec 16 20:56:17 <GovCon> ?
Dec 16 20:58:35 <larlin> GovCon, be aware that the database may not be compatible in a new android version
Dec 16 20:59:03 <GovCon> ah, ok.
Dec 16 20:59:08 <larlin> if you use one of the contacts import/export tools in the app list you are more sure of a working copy
Dec 16 20:59:10 <GovCon> thats alright anyway, im going to move to SHR
Dec 16 20:59:20 <GovCon> i just cant handle the screen turning off during phone calls anymore
Dec 16 21:00:45 <larlin> GovCon, okay if you say so can't say that I understand why that is such a big problem but we all got diffrent taste =)
Dec 16 21:01:22 <GovCon> i consider being able to hang up an important part of making a phone call
Dec 16 21:01:48 <larlin> hu? Just press the power button a while and the screen comes on again?
Dec 16 21:02:23 <GovCon> yes, which takes about ~3 seconds, then another ~2 seconds before the button responds to being pressed
Dec 16 21:02:49 <GovCon> when youre dealing with voicemail leaving 5 second empty messages is rather annoying
Dec 16 21:03:11 <GovCon> why the AUX button cant be hang up i dont know
Dec 16 21:03:32 <larlin> because then you can't access apps while doing a call a big problem also
Dec 16 21:03:51 <larlin> but I can see where you are comming from never using voice mail so I don't have the problem
Dec 16 21:04:58 <GovCon> i dont either but others do. so when it starts to go to voicemail all i want to do is hang up and not get charged
Dec 16 21:05:15 <GovCon> alas im left waiting for the black screen to wake up
Dec 16 21:06:24 <larlin> yeah I understand problem is if we don't black the screen there is a risk that you active the touch screen when you talk so the only solution I can see that would be good is to make the wake up time faster which I don't know if it is possible
Dec 16 21:06:30 <larlin> *the problem
Dec 16 21:07:33 <GovCon> could the screen just be locked with a slidebar to unlock or something?
Dec 16 21:07:40 <GovCon> like the iphone
Dec 16 21:09:16 <larlin> should be possible question is how easy it would be
Dec 16 21:10:38 <GovCon> http://i.imgur.com/UvI46l.jpg
Dec 16 21:10:51 <pbaxter_> hello all again
Dec 16 21:10:58 <GovCon> thats a pic i took of how zhone does screen locking
Dec 16 21:11:02 <pbaxter_> jancona: don't know if you've tried last release
Dec 16 21:11:06 <pbaxter_> (serdar one)
Dec 16 21:11:13 <pbaxter_> but to me it doesn't connect to gsm
Dec 16 21:11:39 <spacepluk> Hi
Dec 16 21:12:14 <spacepluk> can anybody recommend some version?
Dec 16 21:12:31 <pbaxter_> spacepluk: just try :)
Dec 16 21:12:53 <spacepluk> I've tried this one: android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.1.1.tar.gz
Dec 16 21:12:54 <larlin> the 51 here is the most usable right now I would say
Dec 16 21:12:55 <larlin> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/downloads/list
Dec 16 21:13:23 <spacepluk> but I wonder if there's something more complete :)
Dec 16 21:13:48 <spacepluk> thanks, I'll try that one
Dec 16 21:13:48 <GovCon> larlin, do you think performance has improved betweeen weekly 44 and 51?
Dec 16 21:13:59 <pbaxter_> larlin: can i ask you one thing?
Dec 16 21:14:25 <pbaxter_> do you know how can i stop the screen to become black while i'm calling?
Dec 16 21:14:54 <larlin> GovCon, no I don't think anything has changed as work has been done in preparation for android 2.0
Dec 16 21:15:34 <GovCon> heh, pbaxter_, weve just had that conversation :]
Dec 16 21:15:35 <larlin> pbaxter_, no don't know if you have tried the diffrent sleep options in android I guess it's now possible
Dec 16 21:15:45 <larlin> *not possible
Dec 16 21:15:53 <pbaxter_> larlin: where are the sleep options?
Dec 16 21:17:34 <larlin> humm I thought I saw some more settings some where but I may have dreamt as I can't find them now
Dec 16 21:18:17 <spacepluk> I think they're in Sound&Display
Dec 16 21:18:56 <spacepluk> mine has Screen timeout at the bottom of the list
Dec 16 21:19:34 <larlin> yeah but the screen times out in less then 1 min when you call I think atleast but you could test with that and see if it works
Dec 16 21:20:02 <pbaxter_> larlin: it doesn't work in that time
Dec 16 21:20:11 <pbaxter_> larlin: it doesn't work in that time
Dec 16 21:20:21 <larlin> k I guessed that
Dec 16 21:20:24 <pbaxter_> larlin: it doesn't work from taht option*
Dec 16 21:20:48 <larlin> well then I would guess it's not possible
Dec 16 21:21:21 <pbaxter_> but one day was possible
Dec 16 21:21:25 <pbaxter_> i rememer it was
Dec 16 21:21:28 <spacepluk> is the cool google integration on commercial android phones propietary?
Dec 16 21:21:33 <pbaxter_> if i know which file i must change i can
Dec 16 21:21:41 <pbaxter_> change..but i don't know
Dec 16 21:27:04 <pbaxter_> bye all, maybe tomorrow i'l try to find something ;)
Dec 16 21:29:12 <larlin> spacepluk, we can't have the full google integration due to licencing issues
Dec 16 21:32:04 <spacepluk> what a pity. so, no contacts sync,
Dec 16 21:32:07 <spacepluk> maps, etc.?
Dec 16 21:33:08 <daniele_athome> hi!
Dec 16 21:33:11 <larlin> for most parts no there may be 3rd party apps for some of that
Dec 16 21:33:18 <daniele_athome> I come here as a last resort for the resolution issue
Dec 16 21:33:21 <daniele_athome> is too high :(
Dec 16 21:33:23 <daniele_athome> any progress?
Dec 16 21:35:11 <larlin> daniele_athome, there has been some talk but I don't think there has been anything actually implemented
Dec 16 21:35:24 <daniele_athome> larlin, I was reading on the group
Dec 16 21:35:28 <daniele_athome> so nothing? :(
Dec 16 21:35:37 <larlin> I think there was quite a few that liked the resolution as it is
Dec 16 21:35:50 <spacepluk> cool, I'll keep trying :). It feels more polished than SHR, I just find the keyboard a little bit sluggish.
Dec 16 21:36:33 <larlin> spacepluk, if it is when the screen is "fuzzy" it can be really sluggish in situations where the screen is not "fuzzy" it's better
Dec 16 21:37:01 <GovCon> fuzzy?
Dec 16 21:37:41 <larlin> with some text boxes the rest of the screen got a filter on it that blares it out a bit
Dec 16 21:38:00 <larlin> with some it dosen't do this the ones where it blares it out is really slow
Dec 16 21:38:09 <GovCon> ah ok
Dec 16 21:39:18 <spacepluk> ahm, Mine feels sluggish all the time :P
Dec 16 21:39:24 <GovCon> ditto
Dec 16 21:42:19 <larlin> well slugish is a relative term =)
Dec 16 21:42:28 <spacepluk> SHR's is more responsive. I wonder if there's any room for improvement here.
Dec 16 21:43:00 <GovCon> i dont think there are currently the developer resources to improve it significantly
Dec 16 21:43:06 <spacepluk> I haven't tried the last version, though
Dec 16 21:43:44 <GovCon> but ive managed to backup my contacts to a vcf file so im thrilled :D
Dec 16 21:43:55 <larlin> there is probably quite some room for improvent but to some part it's the eye candy that takes some power
Dec 16 21:43:57 <GovCon> and pull it onto the desktop :]
Dec 16 21:44:35 <spacepluk> I'm looking for some project to collaborate with some developing but I'm a little bit lost with android's openness. Still investigating :)
Dec 16 21:45:09 <larlin> spacepluk, some parts of android is very open some parts are not
Dec 16 21:45:31 <larlin> everything you got on you android is open the things we don't have is not open
Dec 16 21:47:11 <spacepluk> larlin, thanks for the information :)
Dec 16 21:48:29 <spacepluk> I'd prefer disabling eyecandy until there's some functional acceleration.
Dec 16 21:58:53 <spacepluk> larlin: do you know whether the basic interface uses opengl?
Dec 16 21:59:30 <larlin> I think there is opengl somewhere in the stack but our acceleration of it is limited to say the least
Dec 16 22:24:38 <spacepluk> what's the easiest way to add applications?
Dec 16 22:25:21 <larlin> adb
Dec 16 22:25:51 <spacepluk> thanks
Dec 16 22:26:15 <spacepluk> the last version feels faster
Dec 16 22:26:24 <larlin> there is a article in the wiki on google code I'm going to bed now good night everybody!
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