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Jan 11 03:00:46 <jancona> Do you have the sdk?
Jan 11 03:02:00 <Serdar> which sdk?
Jan 11 03:02:08 <Serdar> the mac or the android?
Jan 11 03:02:27 <jancona> mac
Jan 11 03:02:32 <Serdar> yes
Jan 11 03:05:00 <Serdar1> brr
Jan 11 03:05:02 <Serdar1> ifeq ($(HOST_OS),darwin)
Jan 11 03:05:04 <Serdar1>     MY_CFLAGS += -mdynamic-no-pic
Jan 11 03:05:06 <Serdar1>     # When building on Leopard or above, we need to use the 10.4 SDK
Jan 11 03:05:08 <Serdar1>     # or the generated binary will not run on Tiger.
Jan 11 03:05:10 <Serdar1>     DARWIN_VERSION := $(strip $(shell sw_vers -productVersion))
Jan 11 03:05:12 <Serdar1>     ifneq ($(filter 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.1.% 10.2.% 10.3.%,$(DARWIN_VERSION)),)
Jan 11 03:05:14 <Serdar1>         $(error Building the Android emulator requires OS X 10.4 or above)
Jan 11 03:05:16 <Serdar1>     endif
Jan 11 03:05:18 <Serdar1>     ifeq ($(filter 10.4 10.4.%,$(DARWIN_VERSION)),)
Jan 11 03:05:20 <Serdar1>         # We are on Leopard or above
Jan 11 03:05:22 <Serdar1>         SNOW_LEOPARD_SDK := /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk
Jan 11 03:05:24 <Serdar1>         ifeq ($(strip $(wildcard $(SNOW_LEOPARD_SDK))),)
Jan 11 03:05:26 <Serdar1>             $(info  Please install the 10.4 SDK on this machine at $(SNOW_LEOPARD_SDK))
Jan 11 03:05:30 <Serdar1>             $(error Aborting the build.)
Jan 11 03:05:32 <Serdar1>         endif
Jan 11 03:05:34 <Serdar1>         MY_CFLAGS += -isysroot $(SNOW_LEOPARD_SDK) -mmacosx-version-min=10.6 -DMACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.6
Jan 11 03:05:37 <Serdar1>         MY_LDLIBS += -isysroot $(SNOW_LEOPARD_SDK) -Wl,-syslibroot,$(TIGER_SDK) -mmacosx-version-min=10.6
Jan 11 03:05:40 <Serdar1>     endif
Jan 11 03:05:42 <Serdar1> endif
Jan 11 03:05:44 <Serdar1> that's how it looks to me.
Jan 11 03:07:02 <Serdar1> hm
Jan 11 03:12:26 <Serdar2> jancona, did you see my message?
Jan 11 03:15:43 <Serdar2> maybe I can delete qemu from list.
Jan 11 03:16:34 <Serdar2> jancona, do I need qemu?
Jan 11 03:16:42 <jancona> No
Jan 11 03:17:17 <jancona> I found this thread which sounds like the same issue, but not with android: http://old.nabble.com/building-on-osx-10.6-td26063774.html
Jan 11 03:28:58 <Serdar> so
Jan 11 03:30:43 <Serdar> grr
Jan 11 03:31:40 <Serdar> it gives me a headache.
Jan 11 04:10:26 <Serdar> jancona, shoot me...
Jan 11 04:21:31 <jancona> bang bang
Jan 11 04:50:09 <ColdFyre> ponies
Jan 11 05:27:08 <Serdar> ponies?
Jan 11 05:27:23 <Serdar> ColdFyre, what time is it there?
Jan 11 05:27:36 <ColdFyre> Sun Jan 10 21:27:30 PST 2010
Jan 11 05:28:17 <Serdar> I see.
Jan 11 05:28:33 <Serdar> so you are somewhere near japan/australia?
Jan 11 05:29:11 <Serdar> easter than japan, I guess.
Jan 11 05:29:18 <ColdFyre> GMT -8 ;)
Jan 11 05:29:22 <Serdar> California or Alaska??
Jan 11 05:29:24 <ColdFyre> california
Jan 11 05:29:42 <ColdFyre> AK is -9/10 i think
Jan 11 05:29:54 <Serdar> okay, you said you would mess up with your freerunner, right?
Jan 11 05:29:59 <ColdFyre> yes
Jan 11 05:30:39 <Serdar> do you have adb to make some outputs and stuff?
Jan 11 05:31:06 <ColdFyre> yessir
Jan 11 05:32:02 <Serdar> I will create some master builds.
Jan 11 05:32:17 <Serdar> I build you test :>
Jan 11 05:34:39 <ColdFyre> sure
Jan 11 05:43:16 <Serdar> I am trying something about orientation
Jan 11 05:43:41 * ColdFyre is disoriented
Jan 11 05:43:55 <Serdar> that's why I am trying.
Jan 11 05:44:21 <Serdar> btw. juan_arandaalvar how's glamo part going?
Jan 11 05:49:48 <juan_arandaalvar> Sorry I just sat down
Jan 11 05:50:09 <juan_arandaalvar> Had some quality time with the family
Jan 11 05:50:13 <juan_arandaalvar> during the weekend
Jan 11 05:50:28 <juan_arandaalvar> Right now I'm setting up Openembedded
Jan 11 05:50:35 <juan_arandaalvar> ... actually
Jan 11 05:50:40 <Serdar> Openembedded?
Jan 11 05:50:42 <Serdar> why?
Jan 11 05:50:52 <Serdar> do you want to build gentoo for freerunner?
Jan 11 05:50:56 <juan_arandaalvar> no
Jan 11 05:51:09 <juan_arandaalvar> Following Michael's advice
Jan 11 05:51:21 <juan_arandaalvar> and going over the steps done by Thomas White
Jan 11 05:51:30 <juan_arandaalvar> http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/dri-for-the-freerunner.html
Jan 11 05:51:41 <juan_arandaalvar> He has some DRM code for the glamo
Jan 11 05:51:50 <Serdar> I see
Jan 11 05:52:26 <juan_arandaalvar> So, I've been working on my laptop for the last 4 months
Jan 11 05:52:50 <juan_arandaalvar> I just got hold of a dual-head desktop computer to do some serious development
Jan 11 05:53:06 <juan_arandaalvar> Eclipse requires a lot of screen real-state
Jan 11 05:53:16 <Serdar> that's true.
Jan 11 05:53:26 <ColdFyre> you can borrow my 46" tv if you need
Jan 11 05:53:33 <juan_arandaalvar> ha ha
Jan 11 05:53:44 <Serdar> I have a 23"
Jan 11 05:54:13 * ColdFyre points and laughs
Jan 11 05:54:35 <juan_arandaalvar> Some friends of mine have set-ups like that, but with multiple monitors I feel like the guy in The Matrix :p
Jan 11 05:54:43 <Serdar> I can do the same resolution. 1920x1080
Jan 11 05:55:12 <Serdar> you mean the Operator?
Jan 11 05:55:16 <juan_arandaalvar> yes
Jan 11 05:55:24 <Serdar> the operator operates.
Jan 11 05:56:07 <Serdar> somethings wrong...
Jan 11 05:56:30 <juan_arandaalvar> Just give me a call if you guys want to learn jiu-jitsu
Jan 11 05:56:46 <Serdar> I was trying it.
Jan 11 05:57:05 <Serdar> I got the white belt!!!
Jan 11 05:57:22 <juan_arandaalvar> cool
Jan 11 05:57:32 <Serdar> I was very impressed about my process.
Jan 11 05:57:47 <Serdar> from no belt to a white one.
Jan 11 05:59:47 <Serdar> I felt very strong an quit.
Jan 11 06:05:10 <Serdar> ColdFyre, hope you got some time.
Jan 11 06:05:22 <Serdar> I am really sleepy now.
Jan 11 06:05:33 <Serdar> it's much later than yesterday...
Jan 11 06:13:04 <Serdar> ColdFyre, are you on the mailing list?
Jan 11 06:13:11 <ColdFyre> yes i am
Jan 11 06:13:49 <Serdar> okay, than I run my daily script it will create a mail
Jan 11 06:14:02 <Serdar> I close my eyes for few seconds.
Jan 11 06:31:34 <ColdFyre> i might not get to testing until tomorrow depending when i get the notice
Jan 11 08:15:09 <mvzaanen> Morning.
Jan 11 12:59:26 <Serdar> morning
Jan 11 13:18:06 <Serdar> mvzaanen, sounds nice.
Jan 11 13:19:11 <Serdar> "One of the projects that our department is directly involved in is the digitisation by the Dutch Royal Library of 8 million newspaper pages, starting in the 17th century."
Jan 11 13:27:03 <Serdar> ColdFyre, awake? :Y
Jan 11 13:27:05 <Serdar> :>
Jan 11 13:48:11 <mvzaanen> yeah
Jan 11 13:48:18 <mvzaanen> that's a pretty cool project
Jan 11 13:52:53 <Serdar> hi jancona
Jan 11 13:53:44 <Serdar> jancona, did you get my message?
Jan 11 13:55:20 <jancona> No, where did you send it?
Jan 11 14:01:46 <Serdar> here.
Jan 11 14:01:51 <Serdar> it's about the apns
Jan 11 14:13:58 <jancona> Serdar: Oh, I saw it last night. I asked you to update the issue with what you want me to change.
Jan 11 14:19:07 <Serdar> hm
Jan 11 14:19:19 <Serdar> I can'T say if it works or not.
Jan 11 14:19:39 <Serdar> but I guess this simyo stuff is the sam for all eplus...
Jan 11 14:19:46 <Serdar> why is he leaving when I talking...
Jan 11 15:10:20 <Serdar> you are leaving everytime I am talking to you :(
Jan 11 15:26:39 <jancona> Sorry, I'm at work and busy
Jan 11 15:27:06 <jancona> So what is the issue with the APN change?
Jan 11 15:27:35 <Serdar> there is a large eplus network here in germany.
Jan 11 15:27:53 <Serdar> ALDI TALK, base, blue ... are part of it.
Jan 11 15:28:16 <jancona> ok
Jan 11 15:28:19 <Serdar> it seems, that this apn for simyo is the same as for everything else
Jan 11 15:28:49 <jancona> And that causes a problem?
Jan 11 15:29:31 <Serdar> for example http://config.medionmobile.de/userprov/jsp/resources/WAP_Konfiguration.pdf
Jan 11 15:29:43 <Serdar> no idea.
Jan 11 15:30:06 <Serdar> I haven't tested gprs now.
Jan 11 15:30:22 <jancona> What do you want me to do?
Jan 11 15:30:36 <Serdar> maybe change the name simyo to eplus network?
Jan 11 15:31:02 <Serdar> or only eplus no idea
Jan 11 15:34:27 <jancona> That PDF doesn't specify the MCC and MNC values. Are they the same for all carriers in the eplus network?
Jan 11 15:35:26 <Serdar> I thought about that and mentioned that I have NO idea, what these mcc and mnc mean.
Jan 11 15:38:04 <Serdar> but if I can believe this one, than it's not the same ... http://forum.chip.de/e-plus/zugangsdaten-e-plus-1252253.html
Jan 11 15:40:33 <Serdar> btw. eplus does have a dayflat.
Jan 11 15:40:58 <Serdar> and there is the apn tagesflat.eplus.de
Jan 11 15:41:33 <Serdar> I guess I will have a look later again..
Jan 11 15:43:13 <jancona> That list originally came from Cyanogen at http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/wiki/APNlist
Jan 11 15:43:27 <jancona> I will update our file to his latest
Jan 11 15:47:05 <Serdar> this seems not complete.
Jan 11 15:48:13 <jancona> What's missing?
Jan 11 15:48:53 <Serdar> for example simyo
Jan 11 15:49:02 <Serdar> it's only internet.eplus.de
Jan 11 15:49:12 <Serdar> no mms if I see correctly
Jan 11 15:49:47 <Serdar> I believe we need to merge.
Jan 11 15:51:53 <jancona> Merge with what? I don't see any simyo in our current file and there are three in his
Jan 11 15:54:03 <Serdar> http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/platform_vendor_neo_freerunner/commit/619945f29c85232922a7f64fe4f1ce7f448f6c34
Jan 11 15:54:34 <Serdar> jancona, you should sync your tree after committing :>
Jan 11 15:56:22 <jancona> Guess so :-)
Jan 11 15:58:19 <jancona> I'm off to another meeting :-( Feel free to put together a patch. You can email it to me or attch it to the issue. I'd suggest starting from Cyanogen's file in source control at http://github.com/cyanogen/android_vendor_cyanogen/blob/eclair/prebuilt/etc/apns-conf.xml
Jan 11 16:00:20 <Serdar> hmm he is missing many things in his simyo stuff
Jan 11 16:00:57 <Serdar> or isn't this mnc stuff not needed?
Jan 11 16:01:16 <Serdar> I am again trying to get rotation work.
Jan 11 16:16:23 <Serdar> hi juan_arandaalvar
Jan 11 16:16:52 <juan_arandaalvar> Good morning!
Jan 11 16:17:05 <juan_arandaalvar> ... well, good morning here
Jan 11 16:17:15 <Serdar> I guess so.
Jan 11 16:17:19 <juan_arandaalvar> I guess for you may be good evening
Jan 11 16:17:29 <Serdar> it's snowed evening here
Jan 11 16:17:48 <juan_arandaalvar> cool
Jan 11 16:20:52 <Serdar> yes "cool" is the right word.
Jan 11 16:21:01 <Serdar> but more than cool it's freeze.
Jan 11 17:01:39 <Serdar> good grief it's almost finished.
Jan 11 17:50:50 <sanvy> hi all
Jan 11 18:01:49 <Serdar1> hi
Jan 11 18:20:10 <sanvy> hi Serdar1 hi der-lehmann
Jan 11 18:20:37 <der-lehmann> Serdar1: hi
Jan 11 18:26:54 <sanvy> Serdar1, I finished my last mods...
Jan 11 18:27:19 <sanvy> the most important is about Settings.apk, for the animation of locker...
Jan 11 18:27:38 <sanvy> I trasformed it from G1 to Freerunner style
Jan 11 18:28:24 <sanvy> can I up it on code page or, better, give you for compiling with the rest of android? it is only a graphical change
Jan 11 18:28:34 <sanvy> I changed only pngs, not code
Jan 11 18:29:41 <sanvy> lol Serdar2
Jan 11 18:29:55 <Serdar2> hm?
Jan 11 18:30:07 <sanvy> i was telling you about my mods
Jan 11 18:30:18 <sanvy> <sanvy> the most important is about Settings.apk, for the animation of locker...
Jan 11 18:30:18 <sanvy> <sanvy> I trasformed it from G1 to Freerunner style
Jan 11 18:30:18 <sanvy> <sanvy> can I up it on code page or, better, give you for compiling with the rest of android? it is only a graphical change
Jan 11 18:30:18 <sanvy> <sanvy> I changed only pngs, not code
Jan 11 18:30:31 <Serdar2> no you was saying: [19:20]  <sanvy> hi Serdar1 hi der-lehmann
Jan 11 18:31:18 <sanvy> you falled in timeout, i think :D
Jan 11 18:31:33 <der-lehmann> damn
Jan 11 18:36:03 <Serdar2> sanvy, cupcake or eclair?
Jan 11 18:36:43 <sanvy> cupcake
Jan 11 18:37:00 <sanvy> non ho ancora i git di eclair, aspetto una stable
Jan 11 18:37:10 <Serdar2> what?
Jan 11 18:37:42 <sanvy> sorry
Jan 11 18:37:56 <sanvy> i missed the name of channel, i though to be in it channel :D
Jan 11 18:38:25 <sanvy> so... i haven't the git of eclair because i'm waiting for a stable version
Jan 11 18:38:56 <sanvy> now i'm working on old cupcake git (I downloaded it in november, i think)
Jan 11 18:39:39 <Serdar2> that's PRETTY old.
Jan 11 18:40:45 <sanvy> yes, but anyway it's good for graphic changes
Jan 11 18:41:15 <sanvy> I try every modded app on my android before relase it, and it works all fine
Jan 11 18:41:52 <sanvy> my cupcake flashed is 20091014 :D
Jan 11 18:42:00 <Serdar2> uh
Jan 11 18:42:11 <Serdar2> you are pretty deprecated.
Jan 11 18:44:42 <sanvy> yes, but it works fine
Jan 11 18:45:37 <Serdar2> it does??
Jan 11 18:46:23 <sanvy> i haven't upgrade it because of some bugs of november's versions (eg sms), also I didn't want reinstall everytimes all apps
Jan 11 18:46:30 <sanvy> yes, it does
Jan 11 18:47:00 <sanvy> so... now i am thinking about an update process
Jan 11 18:47:15 <sanvy> in order to upgrade android without reflash all everytime
Jan 11 18:47:42 <sanvy> I have a good idea, but I haven't the necessary knowledge about linux shell to do this
Jan 11 18:48:22 <sanvy> wait a minute, then i'll explain you
Jan 11 18:55:32 <sanvy> k
Jan 11 18:55:33 <sanvy> so
Jan 11 18:55:51 <sanvy> when make compiles a source
Jan 11 18:55:55 <sanvy> more times
Jan 11 18:56:13 <sanvy> it doesn't start everytime from beginning, but it compiles only the changes
Jan 11 18:56:15 <sanvy> right?
Jan 11 18:56:58 <sanvy> so
Jan 11 18:57:47 <sanvy> the idea is to move only the changes compiled into another directory, divided like android root
Jan 11 18:58:23 <sanvy> then, we need only to write a simple script that will check the file and will push them into the freerunner
Jan 11 18:58:29 <sanvy> without reflashing anythinf
Jan 11 18:58:33 <sanvy> without reflashing anything*
Jan 11 18:58:37 <sanvy> ^^
Jan 11 19:01:29 <sanvy> Serdar2, ?
Jan 11 19:17:18 <sanvy> Serdar2, :S
Jan 11 19:17:26 <Serdar2> hi sanvy
Jan 11 19:17:38 <sanvy> Serdar2, did you understand?
Jan 11 19:17:46 <Serdar2> understand what?
Jan 11 19:18:42 <sanvy> my idea for upgrades
Jan 11 19:25:00 <sanvy> Serdar2, :D you should change provider :D
Jan 11 19:33:27 <Serdar2> so what do you want?
Jan 11 19:34:03 <sanvy> lol
Jan 11 19:34:18 <sanvy> someone who make my idea realiable
Jan 11 19:37:24 <Serdar2> what idea=
Jan 11 19:37:26 <Serdar2> ?
Jan 11 19:38:05 <sanvy> :\ Serdar2, i want to give you free a quite good internet connection
Jan 11 19:38:14 <sanvy> <sanvy> so... now i am thinking about an update process
Jan 11 19:38:15 <sanvy> <sanvy> in order to upgrade android without reflash all everytime
Jan 11 19:38:15 <sanvy> <sanvy> I have a good idea, but I haven't the necessary knowledge about linux shell to do this
Jan 11 19:38:15 <sanvy> <sanvy> wait a minute, then i'll explain you
Jan 11 19:38:15 <sanvy> <sanvy> k
Jan 11 19:38:16 <sanvy> <sanvy> so
Jan 11 19:38:18 <sanvy> <sanvy> when make compiles a source
Jan 11 19:38:22 <sanvy> <sanvy> more times
Jan 11 19:38:24 <sanvy> <sanvy> it doesn't start everytime from beginning, but it compiles only the changes
Jan 11 19:38:26 <sanvy> <sanvy> right?
Jan 11 19:38:28 <sanvy> <sanvy> so
Jan 11 19:38:30 <sanvy> <sanvy> the idea is to move only the changes compiled into another directory, divided like android root
Jan 11 19:38:33 <sanvy> <sanvy> then, we need only to write a simple script that will check the file and will push them into the freerunner
Jan 11 19:38:36 <sanvy> <sanvy> without reflashing anythinf
Jan 11 19:38:38 <sanvy> <sanvy> without reflashing anything*
Jan 11 19:46:24 <Serdar2> I guess that does not work for core and kernel.
Jan 11 19:47:01 <sanvy> why not?
Jan 11 19:47:37 <sanvy> sorry, i'm a newbie for this things... so I need some explaination....
Jan 11 19:49:22 <Serdar2> how do you think to update the kernel without flashing the kernel?
Jan 11 19:49:27 <Serdar2> or rebooting.
Jan 11 19:50:12 <sanvy> yes, this is true
Jan 11 19:56:30 <sanvy> but kernel doesn't influence apks...
Jan 11 19:56:46 <sanvy> so we need only to flash kernel
Jan 11 19:56:53 <Serdar2> and system.
Jan 11 19:58:59 <sanvy> why system? if we upgrade pushing files...
Jan 11 19:59:10 <sanvy> we need only to reboot
Jan 11 19:59:17 <sanvy> not to flash all
Jan 11 20:00:41 <sanvy> other way to upgrade without lose apks: we can create a script that copy all apks from flash to uSD before to start flashing, then, after flash, it push all into moko
Jan 11 20:00:48 <sanvy> and all without pc
Jan 11 20:01:09 <sanvy> but during flash and installation process with the uSD
Jan 11 20:01:13 <sanvy> sorry I have to go
Jan 11 20:01:40 <sanvy> bye
Jan 11 20:01:43 <sanvy> see you tomorrow
Jan 11 20:02:09 <sanvy> Serdar2, please, think about my ideas...
Jan 11 20:02:10 <sanvy> bye
Jan 11 21:40:03 <andmoko> hi all
Jan 11 21:40:45 <andmoko> i would like to know differences between master and eclair
Jan 11 21:41:42 <andmoko> and i have seen that you have some problems about shell scripts and programming
Jan 11 21:42:10 <andmoko> i dont have android background but i may help you for development
Jan 11 21:42:26 <andmoko> do you have any guide for newbies?
Jan 11 21:43:14 <Serdar1> eclair is stable master is in development.
Jan 11 21:43:36 <andmoko> so master is lastest one?
Jan 11 21:43:37 <Serdar1> in sync with the aosp master branch.
Jan 11 21:43:51 <Serdar1> no the latest one is behind closed doors.
Jan 11 21:43:56 <andmoko> ok
Jan 11 21:43:57 <Serdar1> android 2.1
Jan 11 21:43:59 <andmoko> thanks
Jan 11 21:44:05 <Serdar1> but google doesn't publish it.
Jan 11 21:44:29 <andmoko> do you have any guide for starters?
Jan 11 21:44:36 <Serdar1> what kind of guide?
Jan 11 21:45:02 <andmoko> or can you point me some documentation for android development on freerunner?
Jan 11 21:45:23 <andmoko> i would like to help you on development
Jan 11 21:46:28 <Serdar1> I am the wrong guy. need to ask jancona or panicking.
Jan 11 21:47:08 <andmoko> i am reading your logs everyday
Jan 11 21:47:24 <andmoko> i think you can also help me to help you =)
Jan 11 21:59:12 <Serdar1> help me? with what?
Jan 12 02:41:58 <Serdar2> ColdFyre, ping?
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