**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 18 02:59:56 2010 Jan 18 03:12:45 I haven't looked at the installer stuff much. Jan 18 03:21:18 hmm Jan 18 03:21:33 there is something in bionic/libc/include Jan 18 03:21:44 but this is the wrong branch... Jan 18 03:24:52 shoot. Jan 18 03:25:07 git clone git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/platform_bionic.git/libc/include does not work :( Jan 18 03:28:54 What are you trying to do? Jan 18 03:29:07 compile mtd-utils Jan 18 03:29:29 if I use my make it says stdio.h: No such file or directory Jan 18 03:30:10 http://pastebin.com/m1d9b8cf2 Jan 18 03:30:19 the only thing working properly is kernel Jan 18 03:30:28 the others are some kind of broken. Jan 18 03:31:03 or better to say it's fixed to the envoirement of someone, I guess m2 Jan 18 03:32:31 Probably Jan 18 03:32:48 aah Jan 18 03:33:07 I add CPPFLAGS = -I /usr/include and export CPPFLAGS Jan 18 03:33:14 but I am not sure Jan 18 03:33:18 You may need to point INCLUDE LIB etc to the cross compiler Jan 18 03:33:33 I think so... Jan 18 03:33:53 You should point that to the include in the toolchain, not /usr/include Jan 18 03:34:38 You tried it before you changed anything? Jan 18 03:34:42 the toolchain is on prebuilt/$ARCH/toolchain/arm-eabi-$VERSION Jan 18 03:34:52 yes, didn't work. Jan 18 03:37:56 but there isn't much include files. Jan 18 03:45:05 Well I'm off to bed. Good night! Jan 18 03:45:10 night? Jan 18 03:45:16 nothing's left I guess. Jan 18 03:45:27 but good night to you. Jan 18 03:45:27 Still night here! Jan 18 03:45:32 bye Jan 18 08:10:33 Morning, all. Jan 18 08:16:23 morning ;) Jan 18 08:16:35 Serdar: thanks again for pointing me here Jan 18 08:16:41 i was wondering what happened to koolu ;) Jan 18 08:17:05 at the moment i'm not using my freerunner at all, do you guys have a stable cupcake image? Jan 18 08:45:41 cupcake is pretty stable Jan 18 08:45:45 you can get it from the google pages Jan 18 11:01:38 mvzaanen: great, i'll try tonight/tomorrow Jan 18 11:01:52 is there a modified gui frontend for android, that uses fewer resources / is faster? Jan 18 11:05:27 I don't know Jan 18 12:40:22 i have fixed the emulator files, how can i submit them to the google group? Jan 18 12:40:30 s/files/skin files/ Jan 18 13:08:46 ecraven, open an issue. Jan 18 13:09:24 or write a meail to our group, you must to be register. Jan 18 13:17:06 Serdar: will do, thanks ;) Jan 18 13:17:13 is there active work going on on android-on-freerunner? Jan 18 13:18:41 yes. Jan 18 13:20:04 great ;) Jan 18 13:20:09 i'll try to flash my FR tonight Jan 18 14:13:45 larlin, did you get my point yesterday? Jan 18 14:14:22 nope not sure I realised you talked to me? Jan 18 14:16:29 okay, I was saying, that there is a big difference of the installer component and the installer branch. Jan 18 14:17:35 if someone has problems with the installing component of our releases he should take Android-$Branch installer-component Jan 18 14:18:01 yeah but I see that as a small problem that developers can understand rather then users need to understand that issues are in the installer branch Jan 18 14:18:09 if he has problems with the installer branch, so I do the last days, he should use installer branch Jan 18 14:18:33 and we could get problems that relates to installer and a certain version also Jan 18 14:18:44 the issue tracker IS for developer from users/developers. Jan 18 14:19:18 the issue tracker is most for users, if users don't understand or can provide correct information then it is useless Jan 18 14:19:22 args. I am trying to build a new installer. it has nothing to do with a version it's independent. Jan 18 14:19:51 you can add it to a certain version _after_ building it. Jan 18 14:20:20 yeah and then they can put a bug with component installer and you can look at the bug what is the problem? Jan 18 14:21:10 if I see component-installer is releated to eclair, why I should think he mean the installer branch? Jan 18 14:21:17 he means Jan 18 14:24:06 because the installer code is in the installer branch??? Jan 18 14:24:06 maybe you should sync the installer branch to see. Jan 18 14:24:12 yes. Jan 18 14:24:25 there is no installer code in the other branches. Jan 18 14:25:32 yeah but the version gives a hint of which installer code the user is running the user have no idea of what version the installer is but with weekly+androidVersion we get the best information we can have Jan 18 14:26:14 no the installer component has never changed since october. Jan 18 14:26:25 it's allways the same Jan 18 14:26:37 that's why I asked jancona to set up the installer branch Jan 18 14:26:41 yeah but in the future now when you are looking into making new versions it will change Jan 18 14:27:16 yeah tha't correct and the installer component ins needed vor versions, but we need ALSO the branch. Jan 18 14:27:22 s/vor/for Jan 18 14:27:55 the problem I sent to the mailing list was supposed to be added as an issue to the issue tracker Jan 18 14:28:28 jancona, your isp is broken, like mine :> Jan 18 14:29:25 which mail was that? Jan 18 14:31:41 when I think about what to add to the issue tracker I try to think about what information I know that the user reporting the issue have if we have a lot of fields the user have no possibliety of knowing the values for we will never get any information in them anyway Jan 18 14:43:56 you must think about us aswell. Jan 18 14:50:09 well empty fields dosen't help you anything or? Jan 18 14:52:56 that's it, so therefore I need installer branch. Jan 18 14:59:29 now I really don't understand who would be able to put anything into such a field?? Jan 18 15:00:16 developers, who else? no one else is inerested in source code and how it is worked then developers. Jan 18 15:00:27 than Jan 18 15:01:56 morning Jan 18 15:04:11 hi Jan 18 15:04:59 delevlopers can fix the problem then if they know what it is? Jan 18 15:06:37 I don't know how to fix. Jan 18 15:06:47 I am trying to but couldn't solve. Jan 18 15:06:54 but can't add it to the issue tracker. Jan 18 15:08:35 well and adding it as component-installer must be a very good sign on exatly what code has the problem right? Jan 18 15:10:04 nope it has nothing to do with any eclair/cupckae version. Jan 18 15:10:23 doesn't matter I will post them to mailing list. Jan 18 15:11:39 so don't enter a eclair/cupcake version it dosen't have to be there Jan 18 15:12:25 no one knows what it is meaning then. Jan 18 15:12:41 but doesn't matter I will use the mailing list like I did before. Jan 18 15:12:49 what ever Jan 18 15:33:39 hi all Jan 18 15:33:43 hi Serdar Jan 18 15:33:57 hi sanvy Jan 18 15:34:25 Serdar, sorry, can you give me some information about aof repos please? Jan 18 15:34:50 because when I downloaded my repo i used an android guide that now is not online Jan 18 15:34:59 and I need to download your git Jan 18 15:35:03 http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner there they are Jan 18 15:36:37 ok thanks Jan 18 15:37:16 and... in order to download them? git http://link/android-on-freerunner -b cupcake ?? Jan 18 15:41:15 found ;) Jan 18 15:44:16 repo not git Jan 18 15:44:24 it says all above what to do. Jan 18 15:48:09 okk Jan 18 15:48:12 thanks lot Jan 18 15:48:14 it works Jan 18 15:48:32 so... today I update, next time i'll work on it :P Jan 18 15:48:39 thanks Serdar see you next time Jan 18 16:04:58 hm.. hanging at boot after install :( rebooting Jan 18 16:19:34 what has changed since 0.1.1? Jan 18 16:35:29 many. Jan 18 16:35:44 0.1.1 is from october please use weekly Jan 18 16:41:04 hm.. neither the weekly from this week nor 0.1.1 boot after installation.. i just see the round aof logo Jan 18 16:41:46 i have one 3g fat32, and one 1gb ext3 partition, i unpack the tgz onto the fat32 partition, and boot from it Jan 18 16:47:49 boot from disk right? Jan 18 16:48:18 yes, first time i get an error about mmfatload 1:1 not working, then it boots, installs qi, reboots, installs everything, then hangs Jan 18 16:48:38 hmm wich revision do you hav? Jan 18 16:48:49 have Jan 18 16:50:24 freerunner? not sure :) my bootloader is from 9th may 2008 Jan 18 16:50:47 when did you bought your freerunner? Jan 18 16:51:28 did you made some gsm updates? Jan 18 16:51:33 moko11 Jan 18 16:52:49 i think i did, about 6 months ago Jan 18 16:53:56 huh? Jan 18 16:54:28 new or used? Jan 18 16:57:54 err forget it, I misunderstood you. Jan 18 16:58:13 okay which version of bootloader did you flashed then qi or uboot? Jan 18 16:58:42 i flashed qi some time ago, but that should be overwritten, right? Jan 18 17:00:18 so you was useing qi before installing android, that's good. Jan 18 17:00:20 i'll reflash moko11 according to the wiki Jan 18 17:00:33 you didn't flash moko11 then? Jan 18 17:00:51 not sure :) i'll flash it now, no harm in doing it twice, right? Jan 18 17:01:05 think not. Jan 18 17:01:32 Hi Jan 18 17:01:42 hi Jan 18 17:02:07 hey Jan 18 17:03:02 ecraven: what means - hang? After installation screen may be black and locked. Press 3 time power button, please Jan 18 17:03:50 not black, i see the logo Jan 18 17:04:07 i'll flash moko11-2, then i'll try the newest weekly image again : Jan 18 17:05:26 At first logo, than flashed android string and than ( my be 5 min , no more 10) black and locked Jan 18 17:07:00 i see the logo, then the logo, and then the logo :) tried for 20 minutes Jan 18 17:09:52 So you did not seen any flashed "android" string??? Jan 18 17:11:23 no Jan 18 17:11:35 i know what it looks like from the emulator, but it never appeared Jan 18 17:13:16 My irc very bad. Connection breaks any times Looks at you mail, please Jan 18 17:16:22 oO Jan 18 17:16:32 bad client. Jan 18 17:19:26 what is the pcf50633 error about irq5 and wake-up? Jan 18 17:20:44 huh Jan 18 17:20:50 when did you get that? Jan 18 17:20:53 i get that upon booting Jan 18 17:21:03 hmm Jan 18 17:21:21 can i flash the kernel and rootfs by hand? Jan 18 17:21:24 via dfu-util? Jan 18 17:21:25 where is it? right above the android text? Jan 18 17:21:31 yes you can. Jan 18 17:21:32 there is no android text Jan 18 17:21:40 kernel.img and system.img Jan 18 17:21:44 hm Jan 18 17:22:03 are you be able to make some pictures? Jan 18 17:22:28 do the partitions on the sd card need special names? Jan 18 17:25:18 I don't think so. Jan 18 17:25:41 I mean I needed to name it before but you don't need do it now. Jan 18 17:25:41 how long should the aof logo stay on? when should it change to the flashing android text? Jan 18 17:25:43 jancona, there? Jan 18 17:26:05 there are 3 logos Jan 18 17:26:12 first the text sign android Jan 18 17:26:15 then our logo Jan 18 17:26:21 than the Android logo Jan 18 17:26:21 i never see the text sign android :) Jan 18 17:26:26 just the logo Jan 18 17:26:34 but maybe that's because installation never finishes Jan 18 17:26:43 hmm Jan 18 17:26:52 i'll try flashing the kernel and system manually Jan 18 17:26:57 yes. Jan 18 17:27:02 also qi Jan 18 17:29:23 qi should be on it already Jan 18 17:29:31 how do i make qi not boot from sd, but from nand? Jan 18 17:31:11 it do that on its own. Jan 18 17:31:25 it does that on its own. Jan 18 17:31:39 wait, i have to put the tar.gz contents on the fat or on the ext2 partition?? Jan 18 17:34:56 nope Jan 18 17:35:18 for flashing with dfu-util you don't need to do that Jan 18 17:35:33 but for the installer it must to be vfat Jan 18 17:35:33 i mean, on which partition do i extract them? ran just sent me an email telling me to put the images on the *second* partition, so far i always tried the *first* Jan 18 17:47:21 no luck :( Jan 18 17:54:40 blubb Jan 18 17:55:06 :) Jan 18 17:55:23 "no luck :(" with what? Jan 18 17:55:27 booting Jan 18 17:55:36 dfu-util? Jan 18 17:55:37 i still only see the aof logo (android head) Jan 18 17:55:41 yes, flashing worked fine Jan 18 17:55:48 i flashed uboot, kernel and rootfs Jan 18 17:56:03 sd has 3gb fat32 and 1gb ext3, both empty Jan 18 17:56:09 no sim card inserted Jan 18 17:56:18 hm Jan 18 17:57:32 ecraven: In general I've had better luck with smaller SD cards Jan 18 17:58:10 jancona: would 512+512 be big enough? Jan 18 17:58:19 ie. a 1gb card? i might have one of those around somewhere Jan 18 17:59:49 I have 1:1 gb and works nice. Jan 18 18:00:31 it could be, that you can't use more than 3gb with fat32 Jan 18 18:00:42 hm.. nope, that one is 4gb too.. Jan 18 18:00:46 i'll try 1gb 3gb then :) Jan 18 18:01:55 what file system type should the boot sector have? 0C (w95 fat32 lba?) Jan 18 18:02:11 vfat Jan 18 18:02:33 or if you don't have, than fat32 Jan 18 18:02:56 neither fdisk nor cfdisk know a type for vfat, i think there is none Jan 18 18:03:42 take fat32 then. Jan 18 18:06:24 nope, no luck either :( Jan 18 18:06:43 i'll try to create 2 1gb partitions, and reinstall from the first again Jan 18 18:23:29 :( i think i'll give up for now Jan 18 18:24:57 do not give up! Jan 18 18:35:35 :) any other suggestions? Jan 18 18:38:48 we need to figure out what your problem really is. Jan 18 18:38:55 did you have other sd cards to test? Jan 18 18:39:41 nope, only another 4gb card, same model as the one i'm using Jan 18 18:40:01 i am trying to download a tgz from rapidshare that ran sent me, but stupid rapidshare says it's overloaded Jan 18 18:40:12 that tgz should work off the sd card, no installation to nand Jan 18 18:42:09 rapidshare?? Jan 18 18:42:11 huh Jan 18 18:44:34 he uploaded it there Jan 18 18:44:38 no way to boot without sd, right? Jan 18 18:49:05 huh Jan 18 18:49:11 why don't you download from google? Jan 18 18:49:37 and who is he? Jan 18 18:50:48 the guy who was here, ran000 Jan 18 18:50:59 pres /topic Jan 18 18:51:24 use the links I mentioned on the topic Jan 18 18:51:54 my dailies on my homepage or my weeklies on the googlecode home page. Jan 18 18:52:22 i'll try the daily from today Jan 18 18:53:03 well, yesterday :) Jan 18 19:33:15 have you tried now? Jan 18 19:37:43 hi jancona Jan 18 19:37:50 got some minutes? Jan 18 19:38:28 Not right now Jan 18 19:38:38 okay. Jan 18 19:38:54 yes, no change, still the aof logo, nothing else Jan 18 19:41:11 hm Jan 18 22:21:29 hi all Jan 18 22:22:28 just an info, is the actual weekly supposed to work with a wpa2 wifi? Jan 18 22:26:05 I guess so. Jan 18 22:26:12 never tried it. Jan 18 22:26:26 why do you have problems with wpa2? Jan 18 22:27:10 jancona, got now few minutes? Jan 18 22:31:33 Serdar, yes, it isn't working Jan 18 22:31:42 A few Jan 18 22:31:53 any errors logs or kinda thing? Jan 18 22:32:20 and no problems with it it seems, just scanning => associating => scanning Jan 18 22:32:39 jancona, I these two: kernel and qi aren't correctly linked to openmoko.org didn't they? Jan 18 22:32:55 it seems that we don't get the commits they do. Jan 18 22:33:00 I don't understand the question Jan 18 22:33:55 Ok. That's not how Git works. It's distributed, so you have to pull commits if you want them. Jan 18 22:34:10 the manifest of installer says this:http://pastebin.com/m11c503cc Jan 18 22:34:31 Michael has been managing merges with the kernel. Jan 18 22:35:04 git log of kernel gives me something from june 2009 Jan 18 22:35:12 Date: Mon Jun 15 23:52:00 2009 +0000 Jan 18 22:35:31 I don't know what the status of Qi is. You can try merging changes there if you want, but I'd wait until you have it buuilding before you try Jan 18 22:36:04 building kernel works fine with the installer Jan 18 22:36:25 there are problems with qi, mtd-utils and busybox. Jan 18 22:36:29 Serdar, http://nopaste.info/0e11d94c92.html if it's useful or i'm doing something wrong Jan 18 22:37:41 m0nt0, not for me. I am not a developer, just messing around with things. Sometimes I get things working. Jan 18 22:38:02 Serdar, :D Jan 18 22:38:30 jancona, how can I can merge qi? it's possible that the toolchain is too new for our version of qi. Jan 18 22:38:58 Serdar, I really doubt it Jan 18 22:39:03 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mlong-calls" Jan 18 22:39:03 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mno-thumb-interwork" Jan 18 22:39:03 cc1: error: bad value (armv4t) for -march= switch Jan 18 22:39:03 cc1: error: bad value (armv4t) for -mtune= switch Jan 18 22:40:00 Are you sure you are using the toolchain and not your platform's compiler Jan 18 22:40:09 I am. Jan 18 22:46:36 When I compile master the compile command includes "-march=armv4t ", so I know that works with the toolchain Jan 18 22:46:56 It wouldn't work with and x86 compiler Jan 18 22:47:17 I guess I know the problem Jan 18 22:47:47 $root/Makefile is calling the AoF.mk of bootloader Jan 18 22:48:00 which is calling $root/bootloader/Makefile Jan 18 22:48:07 ok Jan 18 22:48:07 which is includeing config.mk Jan 18 22:48:15 where is CROSS_COMPILE defined Jan 18 22:48:43 it looks like, that CROSS_COMPILE=$(AOF_CROSS_COMPILE) don't work there Jan 18 22:49:05 AOF_CROSS_COMPILE is exportet in $root/Makefile Jan 18 22:49:16 but config.mk doesn'T know it or something like that. Jan 18 22:50:23 I see KOOLU_CROSS_COMPILE. Did you rename it? Jan 18 22:50:44 it's the same, yes. Jan 18 22:51:15 the problem is, that CROSS_COMPILE is redefined in config.mk Jan 18 22:51:27 there is CROSS_PATH=/path Jan 18 22:51:57 CROSS_COMPILE=/$(CROSS_PATH)/...arm-eabi- Jan 18 22:52:17 but this stuff is done in $root/Makefile before. Jan 18 22:52:25 so I wanted to _reuse_ it. Jan 18 22:52:31 could I make me clear? Jan 18 22:54:45 okay I got it. Jan 18 22:57:36 I'm not sure, but usually when I'm dealing with something like this, first I try to make it work, then I try to make it pretty Jan 18 22:57:59 So I'd hack it anyway you can to get it to work. Jan 18 22:58:39 Then you'll probably understand what it's doing better and you can make it right Jan 18 22:59:26 One advantage of doing it that way is if you have it working, you can figure out exactly which change broke it Jan 18 23:00:06 While if you make a bunch of changes to clena it up first, you don't know which one is keeping it from working Jan 18 23:00:09 hacking is not my style. If I do things from beginning I design it first. If I need to get know/work something I didn't wrote there is try and error. Jan 18 23:00:30 Anyway, I've got to head home from work now Jan 18 23:00:38 adios. Jan 18 23:00:40 I'll probably be online later Jan 18 23:00:49 Good luck! Jan 19 00:32:53 wb jancona Jan 19 00:55:05 Hi serdar Jan 19 00:57:53 don't we have a development git repository? Jan 19 01:11:08 What do you mean by a development git repository? Jan 19 01:12:16 master/development Jan 19 01:12:37 there are some header in ndk Jan 19 01:13:56 I don't understand Jan 19 01:14:07 better to say it is ../master/development/ndk/build/platforms/android-[3-5]/arch-arm/usr/include/ Jan 19 01:14:35 for example master/development/ndk/build/platforms/android-5/arch-arm/usr/include/ Jan 19 01:16:03 I still don't understand. What is the question?? Jan 19 01:16:24 why don't we have a development.git Jan 19 01:16:42 so I can clone that one to my installer dir. Jan 19 01:17:15 What do you think should be in the development.git? Jan 19 01:17:37 the development directory Jan 19 01:18:10 like prebuild is in plattform_prebuild.git Jan 19 01:18:15 prebuilt Jan 19 01:19:50 or better to say, I need a complete toolchain. this one in prebuild is half of it. Jan 19 01:20:59 We just pull development from korg. Look at the manifest for cupcake or master Jan 19 01:23:57 git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/development.git right? Jan 19 01:25:38 right Jan 19 01:29:43 do you know in which FLAG I need to add -L /path/to/lib? Jan 19 01:32:31 no Jan 19 01:33:13 I add them to LIBS now but useing development header made a huge mess. Jan 19 01:40:49 hmm I give up. Jan 19 01:44:32 hmm Jan 19 01:49:06 I leave this for people who understand it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 19 02:59:57 2010