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Jan 24 09:53:49 <Serdar> morning
Jan 24 09:54:12 <ColdFyre> ponies
Jan 24 09:54:39 <ColdFyre> my freerunner uptime is 518 hours
Jan 24 09:54:59 <ColdFyre> it's been sitting there on the charger since early jan
Jan 24 09:55:23 <ColdFyre> i think i set a new uptime record for AoF
Jan 24 10:18:09 <Serdar> hehe
Jan 24 10:18:29 <Serdar> but this is cheating :O
Jan 24 10:19:01 <Serdar> oh Birthday in two weeks, damn...
Jan 24 12:11:13 <Serdar> hi larlin
Jan 24 12:11:39 <larlin> hello eating can you wait?
Jan 24 13:42:29 <Serdar> no I can't.
Jan 24 13:53:13 <d1b> wait wtf?
Jan 24 13:53:17 <d1b> doe sadb work over wifi?
Jan 24 13:53:21 <d1b> adb*
Jan 24 13:54:59 <d1b> ....
Jan 24 13:55:00 <d1b> wtf
Jan 24 13:55:02 <d1b> WHY
Jan 24 13:55:09 <d1b> oh yay i like getting pwned
Jan 24 13:55:11 <d1b> great idea
Jan 24 13:55:24 <d1b> seriously screwed
Jan 24 13:55:42 <d1b> i like giving random people remote access without asking q's
Jan 24 13:55:43 <d1b> awesome
Jan 24 13:56:15 <d1b> Serdar: is this open to others like over gprs?
Jan 24 13:56:19 <d1b> i dont' see why this wouldn't be
Jan 24 13:56:53 <d1b> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5555           0.0.0.0:*              LISTEN
Jan 24 13:56:59 <d1b> great
Jan 24 13:58:34 <Serdar> what?
Jan 24 13:58:50 <Serdar> I don't understand.
Jan 24 13:58:55 <d1b> Serdar: adb
Jan 24 13:59:00 <d1b> is available over anynetwork inteface
Jan 24 13:59:04 <d1b> awesome
Jan 24 13:59:11 <Serdar> hm
Jan 24 13:59:15 <d1b> why don't i just give my files to any fscking random
Jan 24 13:59:17 <d1b> yay
Jan 24 13:59:22 <d1b> +1 never use
Jan 24 13:59:41 <d1b> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=108
Jan 24 14:00:24 <Serdar> hmm
Jan 24 14:00:30 <d1b> Gabrys: thanks for pointing this out
Jan 24 14:00:35 <d1b> ill go change my passwords now
Jan 24 14:02:15 <d1b> *security* ffs
Jan 24 14:03:16 <Serdar> need to try it.
Jan 24 14:04:50 <d1b> Serdar: do it :P
Jan 24 14:04:56 <d1b> just join wifi
Jan 24 14:05:02 <d1b> adb to the ip
Jan 24 14:05:04 <d1b> works
Jan 24 14:05:09 <d1b> no q's asked
Jan 24 14:05:22 <Serdar> joining wifi to freerunner?
Jan 24 14:05:42 <Serdar> does the freerunner work as a access point?
Jan 24 14:05:51 <d1b> Serdar: no...
Jan 24 14:05:57 <d1b> i connected to my wifi network
Jan 24 14:06:28 <d1b> and just adb connected
Jan 24 14:06:33 <d1b> awesome!
Jan 24 14:07:20 <Serdar> and you tried this from outside too?
Jan 24 14:07:23 <Serdar> not LAN.
Jan 24 14:07:56 <d1b> Serdar: wifi is bad enough
Jan 24 14:09:51 <Serdar> huh.
Jan 24 14:10:07 <d1b> Serdar: adb -> ip on wifi
Jan 24 14:10:11 <d1b> is bad enough
Jan 24 14:10:27 <Serdar> do you have a mac os x?
Jan 24 14:10:56 <d1b> Serdar: ...
Jan 24 14:11:08 <d1b> what does this have to do with anything?
Jan 24 14:12:08 <Serdar> I am owning a Macbook and can't connect via cable, so this is great news to me.
Jan 24 14:12:17 <Serdar> but can you try something
Jan 24 14:12:27 <Serdar> go to settings application
Jan 24 14:12:43 <Serdar> than development
Jan 24 14:13:02 <Serdar> and look if usb debug is enabled or not.
Jan 24 14:13:02 <d1b> Serdar: and im not doing that.
Jan 24 14:13:08 <d1b> oh i know it is was enabled
Jan 24 14:13:18 <d1b> carefactor 0
Jan 24 14:13:24 <Serdar> can you disable it and try again
Jan 24 14:13:32 <d1b> Serdar: not interested
Jan 24 14:13:43 <d1b> +1 to the moron who enabled this
Jan 24 14:16:35 <d1b> google didn't have adb available over the network for a good reason
Jan 24 14:16:41 <d1b> *security*
Jan 24 14:17:50 <Serdar> which version are you useing?
Jan 24 14:18:57 <Serdar> because there is only one stable and everything else isn't that's why they are not visible on the main page of googlecodes.
Jan 24 14:20:08 <d1b> Serdar: ... um 48 ?
Jan 24 14:20:10 <d1b> i think
Jan 24 14:23:24 <Serdar> All debug options will be disabled in the next _stable_, which I hope we will contribute at FOSDEM.
Jan 24 14:23:48 <Serdar> but since 0.1.1 every daily or weekly are testing.
Jan 24 14:24:21 <d1b> Serdar: and providing a very insecure piece of software
Jan 24 14:24:42 <d1b> it is not safe to use this
Jan 24 14:25:06 <d1b> you would need to be 100% sure that adb / debug was off before joining a network
Jan 24 14:25:20 <d1b> and this is not expected behaviour nor documented anywhere
Jan 24 14:25:28 <d1b> and is unique to this build  / port
Jan 24 14:25:51 <d1b> if i wanted to let randoms connect to the phone i would. i don't
Jan 24 14:32:12 <Serdar> We will have look at it.
Jan 24 14:33:43 <Serdar> Maybe produce a stable version early.
Jan 24 14:35:20 <larlin> d1b, I would guess the reason it is done in that way is that it was done to make debugging easier and reduce the number of parameters that could be wrong. It would not suprice me if it goes back to the koolu versions and none checked it after that. So good catch!
Jan 24 14:36:22 <Serdar> maybe it works with bluetooth too.
Jan 24 14:37:20 <larlin> d1b, so good catch but step of the fucking high horse
Jan 24 14:38:42 <Serdar> larlin, what was you eating? it took you over 2h
Jan 24 14:39:49 <larlin> well did other stuff didn't see your reply so now I'm here anyways
Jan 24 14:40:19 <larlin> will send a mail about adb on wifi on the emaillist and put a note on the homepage
Jan 24 14:41:00 <Serdar> it would be interesting if this works with bluetooth to.
Jan 24 14:41:01 <Serdar> too
Jan 24 14:41:35 <Serdar> I guess I will try it now.
Jan 24 14:41:40 <larlin> if you can get bluetooth to act as a netwrok interface it will
Jan 24 14:42:23 <d1b> larlin: nar i didn't find it
Jan 24 14:42:39 <d1b> Gabrys: did
Jan 24 14:42:51 <d1b> larlin: i have
Jan 24 14:43:03 <d1b> i didn't say this port / project did it
Jan 24 14:43:21 <d1b> i im just not happy with the person who did the change and didn't inform enough of us
Jan 24 14:43:23 <larlin> d1b, what irretated med was the idiot comment not necesary
Jan 24 14:43:38 <d1b> larlin: sure
Jan 24 14:43:40 <d1b> im sory.
Jan 24 14:43:43 <d1b> sorry*
Jan 24 14:44:01 <larlin> good I'm wariting a mail the list and will post a note on the project site
Jan 24 14:44:29 <larlin> we should be able to fix this quite fast in the mean time I would suggest everybody avoid using WiFi =)
Jan 24 14:44:36 <d1b> larlin: or just disable it ?
Jan 24 14:44:38 <d1b> ...
Jan 24 14:44:41 <d1b> (debuggin)
Jan 24 14:44:42 <d1b> g
Jan 24 14:44:43 <Serdar> I will change it on my next builds so need to know if it works with usb debug disabled
Jan 24 14:44:58 <larlin> adb we need for so much things so we can't really disable that
Jan 24 14:44:59 <d1b> Serdar: right.
Jan 24 14:45:07 <d1b> well i removed it atm. from my phone so i can't tel you
Jan 24 14:45:21 <d1b> but im buying a used g1 !
Jan 24 14:45:40 <larlin> Gabrys, good work!
Jan 24 14:46:19 <Serdar> yeah, it's nice for all people who is useing mac os x 10.6 :)
Jan 24 14:46:30 <d1b> Serdar: ... can't you use adb on mac os x?
Jan 24 14:46:32 <Serdar> but wifi does not work with eclair...
Jan 24 14:46:34 <d1b> Serdar: i bet you can...
Jan 24 14:46:38 <Serdar> nope
Jan 24 14:46:47 <Serdar> I mean yes but not the cable.
Jan 24 14:46:56 <d1b> Serdar: mm?
Jan 24 14:46:58 <Serdar> if you plug in it does not work
Jan 24 14:47:05 <d1b> why not?
Jan 24 14:47:25 <Serdar> because of the interface
Jan 24 14:47:34 <d1b> ... adb does work on os x...
Jan 24 14:47:45 <Serdar> it does not work with 10.6 and you need a patch for 10.5 which does not work for 10.6
Jan 24 14:47:49 <Serdar> yes adb.
Jan 24 14:47:56 <Serdar> but it's not because adb.
Jan 24 14:47:58 <d1b> can't use live boot ubuntu?
Jan 24 14:48:01 <Serdar> I can't ping my phone
Jan 24 14:48:12 <Serdar> I can but this does not work properly.
Jan 24 14:48:44 <Serdar> I need a solution for Mac and this is it.
Jan 24 14:48:53 <Serdar> hopefully if bluetooth works oO"
Jan 24 14:51:21 <Serdar> the problem is explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking
Jan 24 14:54:32 <d1b> right
Jan 24 14:56:49 * d1b is excieted to be getting an android g1
Jan 24 15:23:09 <Serdar> ifeq (true,$(strip $(enable_target_debugging)))
Jan 24 15:23:09 <Serdar>   # Target is more debuggable and adbd is on by default
Jan 24 15:23:09 <Serdar>   ADDITIONAL_DEFAULT_PROPERTIES += ro.debuggable=1 persist.service.adb.enable=1
Jan 24 15:23:09 <Serdar>   # Include the debugging/testing OTA keys in this build.
Jan 24 15:23:09 <Serdar>   INCLUDE_TEST_OTA_KEYS := true
Jan 24 15:23:10 <Serdar> else # !enable_target_debugging
Jan 24 15:23:12 <Serdar>   # Target is less debuggable and adbd is off by default
Jan 24 15:23:14 <Serdar>   ADDITIONAL_DEFAULT_PROPERTIES += ro.debuggable=0 persist.service.adb.enable=0
Jan 24 15:23:16 <Serdar> endif # !enable_target_debugging
Jan 24 15:27:00 <d1b> Serdar: diff re original adb?
Jan 24 15:27:10 <d1b> it is in the koolu git right?
Jan 24 15:37:52 <Serdar> this is a switch.
Jan 24 15:38:31 <Serdar> I guess it's one from google itself.
Jan 24 15:40:23 <Serdar> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/build.git;a=blob;f=core/main.mk;h=9986f94678cf495dd307fdbbe33a58839bac20e9;hb=b7c844e7cf05b4cea629178bfa793321391d21de
Jan 24 15:40:30 <Serdar> it is from google.
Jan 24 15:43:54 <Serdar> hi Aitch_
Jan 24 15:44:00 <d1b> Serdar: google makes adb available over wifi?
Jan 24 15:44:17 <Aitch_> Hi Serdar
Jan 24 15:44:21 <Serdar> maybe.
Jan 24 15:44:25 <d1b> Serdar: only one line diff there
Jan 24 15:44:30 <d1b> are you sure?
Jan 24 15:44:37 <Serdar> nope
Jan 24 15:44:43 <d1b> doesn't look like it
Jan 24 15:44:53 <d1b> that's the sim
Jan 24 15:45:01 <d1b> and that's the last commit :P
Jan 24 15:45:08 <Serdar> hm?
Jan 24 15:45:29 <d1b> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/build.git;a=commit;h=b7c844e7cf05b4cea629178bfa793321391d21de
Jan 24 15:45:33 <d1b> is the last commit on
Jan 24 15:45:37 <d1b> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/build.git;a=summary
Jan 24 15:45:41 <Serdar> this is main.mk
Jan 24 15:45:50 <Serdar> which is included in the Makefile
Jan 24 15:46:00 <d1b> sure
Jan 24 15:47:15 <Serdar> it's the same way like google.
Jan 24 15:48:22 <d1b> what about the adb server?
Jan 24 15:48:24 <d1b> i dont' see it there
Jan 24 15:49:24 <Serdar> in the build.git?
Jan 24 16:17:36 <d1b> Serdar: yes
Jan 24 16:18:07 <Serdar> it isn't supposed to be there I guess.
Jan 24 16:18:45 <d1b> Serdar: m. well a modification was made to adb / the framework.
Jan 24 16:19:19 <d1b> afaik normal android only lets you use adb over usb
Jan 24 16:19:38 <Serdar> are you sure?
Jan 24 16:19:43 <d1b> fairly
Jan 24 16:19:57 <d1b> i even went and asked in #android to double check
Jan 24 16:19:59 <d1b> k
Jan 24 16:20:46 <larlin> Serdar, I don't think that needs to be changed in the adb package could be in conf files somewhere
Jan 24 16:20:58 <Serdar> I am there all the time never seen a question of that.
Jan 24 16:21:31 <Serdar> larlin, I guess if we change core/main.mk it would be okay.
Jan 24 16:21:47 <d1b> Serdar: you must have just missed it
Jan 24 16:22:28 <larlin> Serdar, hu?, we should change some file that handles what interfaces adb accepts connections from?
Jan 24 16:22:40 <d1b> btw i just found http://thundera.se/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=125&Itemid=131 by googling
Jan 24 16:22:47 <d1b> seems neat
Jan 24 16:23:22 <Serdar> larlin, we should disable debugging by default.
Jan 24 16:23:32 <d1b> Serdar: isn't that the default?
Jan 24 16:23:59 <larlin> how does that work on "real" android phones?
Jan 24 16:24:08 <Serdar> if you look at the link I posted it is this way.
Jan 24 16:24:22 <larlin> what?
Jan 24 16:24:30 <larlin> that is just a gui on top of adb???
Jan 24 16:24:36 <d1b> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/build.git;a=blob;f=core/main.mk;h=9986f94678cf495dd307fdbbe33a58839bac20e9;hb=b7c844e7cf05b4cea629178bfa793321391d21de
Jan 24 16:24:40 <d1b> larlin: i posted that
Jan 24 16:24:44 <d1b> i think Serdar  means that link
Jan 24 16:25:01 <larlin> ohh sorry =) thanks
Jan 24 16:25:55 <larlin> Serdar, so you would have to turn on debugging before installing?
Jan 24 16:25:59 <Serdar> d1b, nice one. won't help me but nice :)
Jan 24 16:26:17 <Serdar> larlin, no you can activate it in application settings
Jan 24 16:26:32 <Serdar> larlin, do you have a installed cupcake?
Jan 24 16:26:55 <larlin> Serdar, yes
Jan 24 16:27:02 <Aitch_> d1b, I talked with the developer of that GUI about updating it so we could use it for backup & restore. He showed interest but nothing happened.
Jan 24 16:27:14 <d1b> Aitch_: oh?
Jan 24 16:27:17 <Serdar> larlin, can you do as following
Jan 24 16:27:18 <larlin> and Serdar it will help you if you have the phone on the same wifi =)
Jan 24 16:27:25 <d1b> the sync function looked interesting.
Jan 24 16:27:53 <larlin> Serdar, fist mind you it's a quite old build haven't updated in a while
Jan 24 16:28:04 <Serdar> larlin, no I want to know if this problem does not appear if debugging is disabled
Jan 24 16:28:07 <Aitch_> d1b, I seem to remember it wasn't open source.
Jan 24 16:28:15 <larlin> Serdar, no WiFi here
Jan 24 16:28:29 <Serdar> args.
Jan 24 16:28:52 <Serdar> I mean this adb via wifi
Jan 24 16:29:06 <Serdar> does it work with debugging disabled.
Jan 24 16:29:20 <Serdar> I need to know that otherwise the problem is somewhere else.
Jan 24 16:29:57 <larlin> well can't test that I would need to put my WiFi card into ap-mode that requires some work don't really want to do that today
Jan 24 16:30:25 <Serdar> okay.
Jan 24 16:30:49 <d1b> Aitch_: oh?
Jan 24 16:30:53 <larlin> so if someone else has a working WiFi they can test with that would be good
Jan 24 16:31:11 <larlin> I don't think I have time before fosdem to fix WiFi
Jan 24 16:31:17 <d1b> larlin: i think you can do ad-hoc but it needs you to alter a file
Jan 24 16:31:23 <d1b> iirc.
Jan 24 16:31:28 <Aitch_> d1b, It wasn't closed, but you need a username & password to download
Jan 24 16:31:30 <d1b> i could be wrong
Jan 24 16:31:33 <d1b> Aitch_: oh
Jan 24 16:32:12 <d1b> Aitch_: :(
Jan 24 16:32:28 <larlin> d1b, still needs drivers for WiFi card I only use it for AP but I reainstalled the server last week and didn't write down how I got it to work last time required severeal hours of head->wall to get it to work
Jan 24 16:33:10 <Serdar> he is from sweden, maybe we should let larlin ask him :)
Jan 24 16:33:14 <Serdar> go
Jan 24 16:33:18 <Serdar> sneak in his room
Jan 24 16:33:22 <Serdar> steal the code
Jan 24 16:33:24 <Serdar> and be there
Jan 24 16:33:28 <Serdar> what a mission.
Jan 24 16:35:01 <larlin> Aitch_, but it says on the homepage gplv3 or are you taling about something else then the addb gui?
Jan 24 16:35:50 <Aitch_> larlin, click on a download & see
Jan 24 16:36:04 <larlin> humm have you tried to email him?
Jan 24 16:36:20 <Aitch_> Yep, didn't get a response
Jan 24 16:36:43 <Serdar> [17:27]  <Aitch_> d1b, I talked with the developer of that GUI about updating it so we could use it for backup & restore. He showed interest but nothing happened.
Jan 24 16:36:54 <Serdar> too slow :/
Jan 24 16:37:03 <Aitch_> Serdar, I think you are confusing larlin with Carl Hamilton :))
Jan 24 16:37:28 <larlin> haha
Jan 24 16:37:34 <larlin> but we are all like that =)
Jan 24 16:38:15 <Serdar> you mean Carl B. Hamilton?
Jan 24 16:38:54 <Aitch_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hamilton_(fictional_character)
Jan 24 16:39:29 <Serdar> I thought you meant this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_B._Hamilton
Jan 24 16:40:06 <larlin> haha no he is a boring economist =)
Jan 24 16:41:03 <Serdar> hey Aitch_ have you took a look to the installer?
Jan 24 16:41:05 <Serdar> or anybody?
Jan 24 16:41:25 <Serdar> nobody responsed to my mail :(
Jan 24 16:41:45 <Aitch_> Nope, been travelling with work
Jan 24 16:41:54 <d1b> sleep time :P
Jan 24 16:42:01 <Serdar> good night.
Jan 24 16:43:14 <Aitch_> Serdar, I'm a bit confused by master & eclair builds in your dailys
Jan 24 16:43:30 <Aitch_> are we running three builds?
Jan 24 16:43:40 <Serdar> we are running three branches.
Jan 24 16:43:47 <Serdar> 4
Jan 24 16:44:02 <Serdar> but I will not produce anything from eclair branch anymore
Jan 24 16:44:02 <larlin> mailed him in swedish so let's see if that works better =)
Jan 24 16:44:41 <Aitch_> Serdar, so master is the state-of-art branch?
Jan 24 16:54:02 <Serdar> Aitch_, master is the "sync with the aosp" branch
Jan 24 16:54:41 <Aitch_> aosp??
Jan 24 16:54:56 <Serdar> android open source p...
Jan 24 16:55:21 <Serdar> project
Jan 24 16:55:44 <Aitch_> Ok thanks, are we still aiming for a cupcake release on your birthday
Jan 24 16:56:29 <Serdar> that's what I am aiming for :O
Jan 24 16:57:07 <Serdar> oh 2.1 is available now?
Jan 24 16:58:03 <Aitch_> is that what aosp is based on?
Jan 24 16:59:44 <Serdar> yes
Jan 24 16:59:46 <Serdar> I mean no
Jan 24 17:00:03 <Serdar> 2.1 is pushed in the aosp
Jan 24 17:00:30 <Serdar> google is useing two tactics
Jan 24 17:00:41 <Serdar> building behind closed doors and after that pushing it to aosp
Jan 24 17:01:44 <Aitch_> So master builds in your dailys but not on the aof site yet.  Correct?
Jan 24 17:02:08 <Serdar> aah
Jan 24 17:02:14 <Serdar> it's not merged with master...
Jan 24 17:02:23 <Serdar> theses ....
Jan 24 17:02:36 <Serdar> they add them to eclair but not master yet.
Jan 24 17:02:48 <Serdar> Aitch_, that's correct
Jan 24 17:03:01 <Serdar> I wait for the start.
Jan 24 17:05:46 <Aitch_> I'll add something to the wiki, then you can tell me if it's correct.
Jan 24 17:45:15 <Serdar1> so
Jan 24 17:45:44 <Serdar1> it seem's that if I unable USB Debugging, then there is no way of useing adb with wifi
Jan 24 17:47:32 <Aitch_> Serdar1, can you check out what I wrote on the wiki? http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/GetIt#Download
Jan 24 17:51:59 <Serdar1> I guess 2. is 2.1
Jan 24 17:52:01 <Serdar1> nut 2.0
Jan 24 17:52:08 <Serdar1> not
Jan 24 17:59:14 <Aitch_> Not sure???
Jan 24 18:00:47 <Serdar1> not 2.0
Jan 24 18:02:33 <Aitch_> According to Wikipedia Eclair is 2.0/2.1 but I think our Eclair branch is 2.0
Jan 24 18:05:27 <Aitch_> 20100116 is the latest master on your site serdar, any plans to run a new one soon?
Jan 24 18:17:32 <Serdar1> soon hmm
Jan 24 18:17:50 <Serdar1> btw. our eclair branch must do be 2.1
Jan 24 18:18:01 <Serdar1> because they merged few days ago.
Jan 24 18:49:47 <Aitch_> ok, I'll change the wiki page
Jan 24 19:01:31 <Serdar1> hmm since the merge to 2.1 I can't compile eclair branch
Jan 24 20:07:28 <Serdar1> hmm can't compile eclair branch...
Jan 25 00:46:41 <Serdar1> hi jancona_
Jan 25 01:15:50 <jancona_> Hi Serdar
Jan 25 01:41:29 <Serdar1> google merged 2.1 with eclair branch
Jan 25 01:47:14 <Serdar1> good night
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