**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 17 02:59:58 2010 Feb 17 06:36:37 morning Feb 17 08:13:51 Morning. Feb 17 08:54:10 hi all Feb 17 08:54:46 I just saw this video about android on freerunner: http://www.newlc.com/en/freerunner-mobile-which-support-android-cupcake Feb 17 08:55:02 but it is from 7 Mar 2009 Feb 17 08:55:13 it seems slow to me Feb 17 08:55:34 were there some speed improvements? Feb 17 08:55:40 I am not aware of the current status Feb 17 08:55:56 try rc2 from here http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ Feb 17 09:09:58 Gabrys: thank you for the suggestion. Atm I don't own a freerunner yet but I would like to buy it. What I need to know is if with the A7+ revision I can make and receive calls and using which distribution Feb 17 09:10:06 I thought people here may have used more than one Feb 17 09:10:20 or maybe could make an SHR vs android-on-freerunner comparison Feb 17 09:10:24 to help me to decide :) Feb 17 09:16:43 I'm using a freerunner A6 (I think) as my daily phone Feb 17 09:16:49 using android at the moment Feb 17 09:17:00 I haven't used SHR much, used OM versions in the past Feb 17 09:17:03 but they were just too slow Feb 17 09:24:49 mvzaanen: so using an A6 + android you are able to make and receive calls, idem for sms without problems? Feb 17 09:25:00 yes, no problems whatsoever Feb 17 09:25:09 only, volume may be low Feb 17 09:26:40 ok that is good to know Feb 17 09:26:48 what about wifi connection and bluetooth? Feb 17 09:28:44 I've only tried wifi once, a long time ago, which worked fine Feb 17 09:28:51 some people seem to have problems Feb 17 09:29:04 I've never used bluetooth, people are working on that, I think Feb 17 09:30:49 good! Thanks Feb 17 09:30:56 I think I am going to buy an A7+ Feb 17 09:31:08 and hack a bit on it :) Feb 17 09:33:15 great Feb 17 10:43:38 hi guys Feb 17 10:43:45 I'm using freerunner cupcake RC2 Feb 17 10:43:59 and I have problems with WPA2 personal wifi network Feb 17 10:44:02 and bluetooth headset Feb 17 10:44:17 it pairs and seems to work Feb 17 10:44:22 +/- keys are working Feb 17 10:44:35 I hear where someone calls and even can accept the call Feb 17 10:44:47 but the voice is not transfered either way Feb 17 10:45:01 how can you use a RC2? Feb 17 10:45:16 aa Feb 17 10:45:19 0.2.0 RC1 Feb 17 10:45:22 sorry ;-) Feb 17 10:48:29 :) Feb 17 10:49:58 any change wifi and bluetooth issue are already fixed in eclair/master daily build from say 14.02? Feb 17 10:50:30 also, regarding 0.2.0 RC1, I can't cannect to phone with ssh nor adb using USB connection, ping works ok Feb 17 10:51:06 adb is turned off by default Feb 17 10:51:20 wpa2 works now on RC, maybe it was reception issue (I was in another room) Feb 17 10:55:26 mvzaanen: how do I enable it? Feb 17 10:55:50 I think it's USB debugging, somewhere in the settings Feb 17 10:55:56 I don't have my phone handy here Feb 17 10:56:03 ok Feb 17 10:56:11 somwhere in applications Feb 17 10:56:31 settings->applications->... (something else) Feb 17 10:56:55 development -> usb debugging Feb 17 10:57:03 whee Feb 17 10:57:06 that shouold be it Feb 17 10:57:08 yes Feb 17 10:57:12 does that help? Feb 17 10:57:50 usb debugging enabled Feb 17 10:57:54 usb cable put Feb 17 10:58:00 ifconfig on host done Feb 17 10:58:04 ping works Feb 17 10:58:13 adb works Feb 17 10:58:15 :D Feb 17 10:58:17 and adb works :) Feb 17 10:58:25 hooray Feb 17 10:58:35 I had the same problem a few weeks ago Feb 17 10:58:37 very annoying Feb 17 10:59:05 does the RC1 supplies busybox and dropbear? Feb 17 11:37:10 hello all: where can i download android 0.2.0 RC2? Feb 17 11:39:47 is there a RC2? Feb 17 11:52:00 mvzaanen, i've read that serdar talked about rc2.. Feb 17 11:52:16 mvzaanen, i was wrong Feb 17 11:52:23 serdar said that there is no rc2 Feb 17 11:52:56 mvzaanen, but i've seen there is a cupcake 14 february in serdar dailys Feb 17 11:53:02 which are the changes? Feb 17 11:55:11 and how about eclair ? Feb 17 11:55:16 is anybody using it ? Feb 17 12:13:44 ahoi Feb 17 12:24:39 I don't think many people are using eclair Feb 17 12:24:43 but I might be mistaken Feb 17 12:24:44 hey Serdar Feb 17 12:24:52 I am Feb 17 12:24:54 hi mvzaanen Feb 17 12:25:04 did your battery arrived? Feb 17 12:25:13 yeah, charging it at the moment Feb 17 12:25:24 it doesn't display % charged though Feb 17 12:25:30 did you have that as well when you tried yours? Feb 17 12:25:59 didn't tried the BC5 that much only looked at the loading display Feb 17 12:26:28 yeah, that works Feb 17 12:26:41 we'll see how it goes Feb 17 12:37:20 next friday I will go to school again. :> Feb 17 12:37:56 spoke with one teacher so I can teach a class, now I got 3 classes, this will be funny Feb 17 12:43:57 Serdar: is the 28/12 weekly build for eclair a working one ? Feb 17 12:44:42 I don't have jdk 1.5 in debian and I can't compile from source with jdk 1.6 :( Feb 17 12:54:06 serder, are you teaching (lecturing) or studying? Feb 17 12:55:14 mvzaanen: I think that he is teaching ^^ Feb 17 12:55:40 I thought he was a student Feb 17 12:56:46 may be both :p Feb 17 12:57:18 I am a student, but I will teach for a day at my old school Feb 17 12:57:31 mvzaanen, try the latest daily I build on my homepage Feb 17 12:57:53 what has changed? Feb 17 12:58:17 ah, cool Serdar Feb 17 12:58:40 my tries of eclair are following: Feb 17 12:58:55 sound better is much better, but it is unstable Feb 17 12:59:24 keyboard is pretty, but only in portrait, in landscape it is a mess. Feb 17 12:59:36 wifi works somehow. Feb 17 12:59:49 bluetooth and gps are broken Feb 17 12:59:55 gprs not tested Feb 17 13:00:27 battery is badder than cupcake Feb 17 13:00:52 and graphic is slower than cupcake, like early cupcake versions Feb 17 13:00:58 badder? worse or better? Feb 17 13:02:35 err worse than Feb 17 13:02:42 sorry my bad english :> Feb 17 13:03:03 your english is fine, but it was ambiguous here :D Feb 17 13:03:44 the problem is, that the eclair branch is synced with 2.1 Feb 17 13:03:49 but not the master branch Feb 17 13:03:54 master is still 2.0.1 Feb 17 13:04:02 I am waiting for the sync Feb 17 13:27:25 I've just installed eclair (from 28/12)ā€¦ well, it works that's already a good thing :p Feb 17 13:28:58 28/12 that's much old Feb 17 13:30:35 I thought graphics were comparable to cupcake Feb 17 13:30:59 yeah, but the last build that I saw Feb 17 13:31:47 It quite the same yes, i thought that there were at least "moving" wallpaper Feb 17 13:32:17 oh? Feb 17 13:33:35 live wallpapers == 2.1 Feb 17 13:33:45 2.1 is not in the master branch but the eclair branch Feb 17 13:34:02 I'm cnofused Feb 17 13:34:02 eclair branch is working in progress and master branch is stable aosp Feb 17 13:34:09 2.1 is coming from where? Feb 17 13:34:22 there are few versions of eclair Feb 17 13:34:30 eclair is version 2 Feb 17 13:34:42 2.0.0 and 2.0.1 were released Feb 17 13:34:45 oh Feb 17 13:34:50 with nexus there is a 2.1 release Feb 17 13:34:54 which got live wallpapers Feb 17 13:35:05 this 2.1 is synced with eclair tre Feb 17 13:35:06 e Feb 17 13:35:11 which is working in progress Feb 17 13:35:31 but not with the master tree, which we are useing to compile/programm etc. Feb 17 13:35:49 somehow 2.1 on eclair gets much more stable it will be synced with master Feb 17 13:36:01 I get it now Feb 17 13:36:02 but till now we do not have these gimmicks of 2.1 only 2.0.1 Feb 17 13:36:27 that's what I told you Feb 17 13:37:02 I can try to compile eclair branch if there is any interest, but this is not supported by us. Feb 17 13:37:38 that will get us these fancy gimmicks? Feb 17 13:37:43 perhaps it'll be fun to try Feb 17 13:38:04 you know eye candy? Feb 17 13:38:25 as in? Feb 17 13:38:28 linux Feb 17 13:38:33 as nexus one is 2.1, I don't understand why it is not synced already :/ btw will it happen soon ? Feb 17 13:39:02 I'll reinstall cupcake for now since everybody uses it here :p Feb 17 13:39:14 heh Feb 17 13:39:23 eye candy as in program? Feb 17 13:39:28 yes Feb 17 13:39:32 nope Feb 17 13:39:54 okay, then live wallpapers are like eye candy :Y Feb 17 13:39:55 :> Feb 17 13:40:35 something sensless eye catcher Feb 17 13:41:31 hm droid is available here. Feb 17 13:42:44 I guess live wallpaper are battery killer for freerunner Feb 17 13:42:58 yeah Feb 17 13:43:26 ah and sensors are much faster in eclair Feb 17 13:43:39 very important to mention Feb 17 13:44:36 do you know anything about progress to get FR to be an official Android phone? Feb 17 13:44:46 nope there is none Feb 17 13:45:16 unfortunate Feb 17 13:45:21 but the request has been sent? Feb 17 13:45:38 nope Feb 17 13:45:46 oh? Feb 17 13:45:48 I need a contact person Feb 17 13:45:50 why not? Feb 17 13:46:20 and you can't find any? Feb 17 13:46:23 that would be a huge thing :p Feb 17 13:46:24 you know some google guys? Feb 17 13:46:39 actually, I do Feb 17 13:46:44 more important some google guys which are involved to android Feb 17 13:46:47 but I don't think they have anythng to do with android Feb 17 13:47:00 hmm Feb 17 13:47:38 btw. have you seen the discussion about the installer? Feb 17 13:48:19 that makes me nuts, because the installer is an easy way for installing android Feb 17 13:49:14 that much easy that christoph pulster wants to provide us 100 EUR for this easy method. Feb 17 13:49:22 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/ has names of the people Feb 17 13:49:42 yeah the installer is very easy Feb 17 13:52:35 do you have contact to google Germany in Hamburg? :> Feb 17 13:55:32 easy when you've got access to the sd card :/ Feb 17 13:56:16 well, that's easy Feb 17 13:56:20 I need to install shr first to install android >_< Feb 17 13:56:26 why is that? Feb 17 13:56:42 I don't have a card reader Feb 17 13:56:52 you can push the files using adb Feb 17 13:57:46 I wasn't able to have adb working, spent an hourā€¦ but I'll really need it so I'll keep trying Feb 17 13:58:41 you have to enable usb debugging Feb 17 14:01:04 something in devtool ? Feb 17 14:01:15 mattboll, a micro sd card reader is really cheap these days Feb 17 14:01:36 you will get one with an 2gb msd card. Feb 17 14:01:57 nope Feb 17 14:02:11 applications->settings-> Feb 17 14:02:23 actiavteing usb debugging? Feb 17 14:02:40 yeah Feb 17 14:02:51 settings->application->development->USB DEbugging Feb 17 14:03:01 ah, of course Feb 17 14:03:34 I need a key which posts this, because everybody is asking it... Feb 17 14:03:40 exactly Feb 17 14:03:44 this is the second time today Feb 17 14:03:54 larlin, ping? Feb 17 14:04:09 it is already done in eclairā€¦ I try it Feb 17 14:04:25 it used to be on by default Feb 17 14:04:26 larlin, please add this information to the page or wiki Feb 17 14:04:31 that only changed recently Feb 17 14:04:39 it may already be there somewhere, Serdar Feb 17 14:04:48 oh Feb 17 14:05:07 mattboll, why don't you read the manual? :P Feb 17 14:05:15 oO(me too) Feb 17 14:05:22 :D Feb 17 14:05:48 I am playing settlers these days :> Feb 17 14:05:54 found it on sourceforge Feb 17 14:05:57 the boardgame? Feb 17 14:06:08 it's java, maybe we can port it to android :> Feb 17 14:06:10 yes Feb 17 14:06:21 you mean a computerized version of the boardgame Feb 17 14:06:31 yes Feb 17 14:06:38 my wife and kids are gone (family visit), which means I have the evening to mysefl Feb 17 14:06:49 I'll probably start working on these pinball machines that need work Feb 17 14:07:06 or you work on android :> Feb 17 14:08:02 well, I really need to relearn java Feb 17 14:08:07 I haven't programmed in java for ages Feb 17 14:08:19 actually, I programmed java when applications were not possible yet, only applets Feb 17 14:10:09 Serdar: If you tell me which manual, I could read it ;) Feb 17 14:10:52 adb works now :p thanks a lot Feb 17 14:11:33 http://cgi.ebay.de/Micro-SD-SDHC-Kartenleser-Cardreader-USB-2-0-TOP-NEU_W0QQitemZ280464664998QQcmdZViewItemQQptZKartenlesegeräte?hash=item414cff29a6 Feb 17 14:12:01 I bought a 2gb msd kingston with a red of this thing for 12 EUR, but you can get it cheaper Feb 17 14:12:21 you don't need a card reader now Feb 17 14:12:25 you can simply push the files on it Feb 17 14:15:47 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=118&can=1&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component&start=100 Feb 17 14:15:52 seems to be solved Feb 17 14:16:05 but I have not build a version with this fix Feb 17 14:16:34 heh Feb 17 14:16:51 I hate the fail messages of android... Feb 17 14:17:01 Checking API: checkapi-last Feb 17 14:17:01 Checking API: checkapi-current Feb 17 14:17:02 make: *** No rule to make target `out/host/linux-x86/framework/ddmlib.jar', needed by `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/hosttestlib_intermediates/javalib.jar'. Stop. Feb 17 14:17:02 serdar@serdar-dere:~/eclair$ Feb 17 14:17:04 and now? Feb 17 14:17:18 you need ddmlib.jar Feb 17 14:17:19 :D Feb 17 14:17:41 find . -name ddmlib.jar Feb 17 14:18:25 no it should compile that Feb 17 14:18:43 go to that directory and just "make ddmlib.jar" Feb 17 14:18:57 still, it's wierd Feb 17 14:19:04 hi jim. Feb 17 14:19:24 I guess that will not work because of the envoirment settings Feb 17 14:19:41 probably Feb 17 14:19:43 which sucks Feb 17 14:19:44 I need to find out why it is not compiled and which mk file is supposed to do it Feb 17 14:20:33 and I don't know which directory I should go to make Feb 17 14:20:48 because there is only the out directory Feb 17 14:20:49 yeah Feb 17 14:21:00 out/host/linux-x86/framework/ddmlib.jar Feb 17 14:21:20 jancona: can I simply use a non-FR battery using AoF? Feb 17 14:22:10 mvzaanen, do you have a sony psp with cam? :> Feb 17 14:22:20 alas, no Feb 17 14:22:39 I haven't tried, but I would think that it would work the same as any other distro Feb 17 14:23:04 http://www.mp3-player-forum.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/pspgocam.jpg Feb 17 14:23:08 I was just thinking Feb 17 14:23:11 well, on the wiki it says that I'd have to remove some module (for that extra chip on the battery) Feb 17 14:23:59 Serdar, i see there is a cupcake 14th february...which changes ? Feb 17 14:24:37 no changes, only debug options for debugging gps Feb 17 14:25:09 I thought you could just use the Nokia batteries, but that charge % wouldn't be accurate because they don't have the chip the Openmoko battery has. Feb 17 14:25:28 yeah, it doesn't provide any charge % Feb 17 14:25:34 which is why I started wondering Feb 17 14:25:39 would charging stop at some poitn? Feb 17 14:26:01 Serdar, and another question: what's new in eclair? Feb 17 14:26:17 mv you can see it is fully charged if the colour turns to blue Feb 17 14:26:29 well, I don't think it turns blue Feb 17 14:26:33 from cupcake to eclair? Feb 17 14:26:48 how long are you charging? Feb 17 14:27:15 since this morning Feb 17 14:27:32 let me check whether it's done now Feb 17 14:29:49 hmm phone was off, plugged in Feb 17 14:31:31 hi all Feb 17 14:34:10 it turned itself off Feb 17 14:34:18 during charging Feb 17 14:34:25 hm Feb 17 14:34:31 asd Feb 17 14:34:54 usually it powers on randomly... we have inverted something? :P Feb 17 14:34:56 jancona, what do you think? http://www.mp3-player-forum.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/pspgocam.jpg Feb 17 14:35:17 :P Feb 17 14:35:29 Cool! Feb 17 14:36:07 the problem are these two pins Feb 17 14:36:19 but it looks perfect for the freerunner Feb 17 14:37:18 Serdar: never though about i2c cameras? Feb 17 14:37:32 fr has a i2c connector on the motherboard Feb 17 14:37:57 you know some which can be connected like this? Feb 17 14:41:28 i've looked for wsomeone, but i'm not expert of i2c, so i don't know if they are all compatible Feb 17 14:41:30 :D Feb 17 14:41:40 how much does your camera cost? Feb 17 14:42:43 pretty much Feb 17 14:52:32 ? Feb 17 14:52:58 50 EUR Feb 17 14:53:39 portanna Feb 17 14:53:41 O_O!! Feb 17 14:53:50 it's gold?? Feb 17 14:54:06 diamond lens? Feb 17 14:54:08 :\ Feb 17 14:54:28 it has a 1200mm zoom lens Feb 17 14:54:28 it got s o n y written Feb 17 14:55:47 oh, that's right Feb 17 15:08:24 it looks like it doesn't charge the battery at all Feb 17 15:08:57 hm Feb 17 15:12:17 is it me or landscape mode does not work with cupcake on freerunner ? Feb 17 15:16:16 that's true Feb 17 15:16:33 there is no working sensors for everything Feb 17 15:28:20 actually orientation works pretty well, this option is unchecked by default in cupcake :/ Feb 17 15:30:14 no wait... for some packages orientation works pretty good... except for launcher Feb 17 15:31:15 mvzaanen: according to me, it charges the battery at all, then it disable the charge mode in order to not overcharge the battery, so it start using battery instead of chargert Feb 17 15:31:18 charger* Feb 17 15:31:38 yeah Feb 17 15:31:44 but I'm not sure the battery is charged Feb 17 15:31:58 so the battery is empty and when the charger stops, FR turns itself off (because the abttery is empty) Feb 17 15:32:21 or, perhaps the battery is charged, but since charge % is not given (hence = 0) FR turns itself off Feb 17 15:54:34 mvzaanen: strange... my fr never shutdown during charge... Feb 17 15:54:59 this is a nokia battery, non-standard FR battery Feb 17 15:55:18 aaaaah Feb 17 15:55:18 ok Feb 17 15:58:42 I think that's the problem Feb 17 15:58:53 which sucks, because I may still need to get another FR battery Feb 17 17:04:31 sorry, can we get android connecting to internet via usb, instead of wifi? Feb 17 17:17:32 bluetooth thing confirmed on other handset Feb 17 17:17:47 it pair and works but no audio is routed in either way Feb 17 17:17:58 android 0.2.0 rc1 Feb 17 17:18:00 on fr Feb 17 17:24:10 any chance this works on master daily? Feb 17 17:24:44 this=talking via bluetooth Feb 17 17:26:46 Gabrys, ask Serdar Feb 17 17:27:15 bluetooth crashes with master Feb 17 17:27:31 so nothing better than cupcake ;-) Feb 17 17:27:34 there is an issue I need to add Feb 17 17:28:14 Serdar: in case you want someone to test if this works, I have 2 headsets, one mono, one A2DP with mono profile as well Feb 17 17:30:14 that's nice, but I guess a2dp should not work also with cupcake Feb 17 17:30:23 because there is something disabled Feb 17 17:33:58 Serdar, just a question: can a coder make the possibility to close the call with pressing power-button just once? Feb 17 17:34:20 Serdar: I don't really care about the a2dp ;-), but it seems working Feb 17 17:34:21 (now we have to press it two (one long one short) or three (short) times to close the call Feb 17 17:34:59 Serdar: with cupcake in bluetooth settings it says it's connected to phone headset AND stereo headphones (or something like this) Feb 17 17:35:16 while with regular head set it only sais it's connected to phone headset Feb 17 17:35:29 this way or another I can't talk with the headsets ;) Feb 17 17:38:05 pbaxter, maybe, can't say Feb 17 17:38:21 I am mostly public relation more than a coder :> Feb 17 17:38:33 Serdar, do you know if there is an issue? Feb 17 17:41:46 Serdar, ;) Feb 17 17:52:25 re Feb 17 17:53:40 Gabrys, bt headset works for you right? Feb 17 17:53:59 Serdar1: no Feb 17 17:54:07 okay Feb 17 17:54:10 Serdar1: it seems working, but does not route any sound Feb 17 17:54:21 then everything is okay :> I was shocked :> Feb 17 18:05:29 hm Feb 17 18:15:04 Gabrys, are you familar with asound.conf files? Feb 17 18:15:28 Serdar2: no, not much, but I've seen some examples on openmoko wiki Feb 17 18:15:46 Serdar2: does modyfying them give me a chance to get the audio on bluetooth? :> Feb 17 18:16:00 serdar@serdar-dere:~/master/external/bluez/utils/audio$ cat asound.conf Feb 17 18:16:00 pcm.headset { Feb 17 18:16:00 type bluetooth Feb 17 18:16:00 } Feb 17 18:16:00 ctl.headset { Feb 17 18:16:01 type bluetooth Feb 17 18:16:03 } Feb 17 18:16:05 it's empty Feb 17 18:23:11 mmm Feb 17 18:29:18 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=23&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component Feb 17 18:29:21 no 5 Feb 17 18:29:27 does this work for you? Feb 17 18:30:50 Serdar2: where do I put this? Feb 17 18:34:11 huh? Feb 17 18:34:15 what do you mean? Feb 17 18:38:13 Serdar2: if this asound file quoted in context of bluetooth headset Feb 17 18:38:55 I want to know where to put this content to check if this works for me or not Feb 17 18:39:01 external/bluez/utils/audio Feb 17 18:39:11 need to be compiled Feb 17 18:40:50 Serdar2: do you want me to test this somehow? Feb 17 18:41:11 I can make builds if you give me patches. Feb 17 18:42:39 Serdar2: what can I do, to give you patches? Feb 17 18:43:04 hacking the code? Feb 17 18:43:06 Serdar2: i confirm you that nosuspend bug is related to notifications: it is a lot of time that my moko doesn't suspend, and this because of email notifications Feb 17 18:44:00 at eclair it's one press wakeup and one press unlock Feb 17 18:44:04 Serdar2: code, not asoundrc files? I mean, hacking asoundrc files does not require me to build stuff Feb 17 18:44:50 this asound.conf is in $root/externa/bluez/utils/audio Feb 17 18:44:53 external Feb 17 18:46:58 i have to go now Feb 17 18:46:59 bye all Feb 17 18:51:19 I need guys who are hacking the installer. Feb 17 18:55:21 Serdar2, to do what? Feb 17 18:55:52 so we can use newest qi and newest kernel. Feb 17 18:58:51 Serdar2, it's compilation or am i wrong? Feb 17 19:02:13 Serdar2, also in eclair is just bluetooth and gprs right? Feb 17 19:02:34 bluetooth does not work Feb 17 19:02:46 no idea about gprs Feb 17 19:03:26 Serdar2, ok but other things work? Feb 17 19:03:49 wifi, keyboard, calls Feb 17 19:06:08 that's good Feb 17 19:06:18