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Jul 16 03:20:14 <ovruch> hello, could someone please help me with setting up environment for creating android applications?
Jul 16 12:59:43 <Gabrys> hi
Jul 16 13:00:09 <Gabrys> I figured out I can do an Android application for AGPS help (i.e. fix in less than a minute)
Jul 16 13:00:38 <Gabrys> and if someone was interested in making it more helpful from the system side it could be 5 seconds
Jul 16 13:01:04 <Gabrys> I mean: if we had scripts to enable/disable GPS
Jul 16 13:12:46 <Serdar> [15:00]  <Gabrys> I figured out I can do an Android application for AGPS help (i.e. fix in less than a minute)
Jul 16 13:12:46 <Serdar> [15:00]  <Gabrys> and if someone was interested in making it more helpful from the system side it could be 5 seconds
Jul 16 13:12:46 <Serdar> [15:01]  <Gabrys> I mean: if we had scripts to enable/disable GPS
Jul 16 13:13:12 <Serdar> sounds neat, so you need a script for enabling/disabling gps?
Jul 16 13:13:22 <Gabrys> Serdar: there are a couple of tricks
Jul 16 13:13:34 <Gabrys> Serdar: by writing to /dev/s3....serial1
Jul 16 13:13:46 <Gabrys> you can load AGPS data you read before
Jul 16 13:14:05 <Gabrys> that loads satellites info to GPS, so it can get a fix easier
Jul 16 13:14:24 <Gabrys> this can be done as an external application as the device is read-write for everyone
Jul 16 13:14:53 <Gabrys> I have stuff to do it already coded in C at http://github.com/gabrys/gta02-agps
Jul 16 13:15:01 <Gabrys> it can be compiled statically
Jul 16 13:15:07 <Gabrys> and called from some UI
Jul 16 13:15:18 <Gabrys> that would acquire GPS, then write that stuff
Jul 16 13:15:28 <Gabrys> and then you can run any app that needs GPS
Jul 16 13:15:50 <Gabrys> then after using it you can from my app dump the AGPS stuff and the app will free GPS
Jul 16 13:16:12 <Gabrys> but if we have a script to poweron/off GPS we can put the GPS into sleep mode, which will drain some small current
Jul 16 13:16:23 <Gabrys> but make fix as fast as 7-8 seconds after waking up
Jul 16 13:16:42 <Gabrys> instead of full 5 minutes without any help or about 1 minute with AGPS help
Jul 16 13:26:21 <Serdar> hm
Jul 16 13:27:52 <Serdar> how hard can that be to add a script?
Jul 16 13:28:10 <Gabrys> in fact, if we had scripts to enable/disable GPS (just like QtMoko has) you could have all this things (both faster and damn-fast TTFF) without any android APK
Jul 16 13:30:24 <Gabrys> Serdar: what do you mean? to add a script to android that disables/enables GPS?
Jul 16 13:30:32 <Serdar> yes
Jul 16 13:30:37 <Gabrys> I believe it does so by writing 0/1 to /sys/something
Jul 16 13:30:45 <Gabrys> and instead it should just System.exec() something
Jul 16 13:30:46 <Serdar> it must be exist, because it is used
Jul 16 13:31:22 <Gabrys> (that can for now just echo 0/1 > /sys)
Jul 16 13:32:00 <Serdar> there is something like that
Jul 16 13:32:08 <Gabrys> let's find it then :-)
Jul 16 13:32:10 <Serdar> but I can't remember atm
Jul 16 13:32:16 <Gabrys> I'll do find
Jul 16 13:33:49 <Serdar> cd /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/
Jul 16 13:33:51 <Gabrys> Serdar http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_hardware_hw/blobs/master/gps/gps_freerunner.c
Jul 16 13:34:03 <Serdar> power_on
Jul 16 13:34:06 <Serdar> cat
Jul 16 13:34:08 <Gabrys> I think it's writing directly to file, not calling any script
Jul 16 13:35:25 <Gabrys> and this should call a command to enable/disable, that would enable us to do AGPS magic stuff :-)
Jul 16 13:35:34 <Gabrys> I guess it's similar in cupcake
Jul 16 13:40:28 <Serdar> this is cupcake
Jul 16 13:40:42 <Serdar> that file I told you
Jul 16 13:41:13 <Gabrys> I know where is the sys file to control the enabling and disabling GPS hardware
Jul 16 13:41:15 <Serdar> I guess it's the same for eclair or froyo
Jul 16 13:41:25 <Gabrys> it depends on kernel version
Jul 16 13:41:28 <Gabrys> only
Jul 16 13:42:02 <Gabrys> the question is how Android writes "1" to that file
Jul 16 13:42:12 <Gabrys> I found that eclair just opens that file and writes "1" to it
Jul 16 13:42:27 <Gabrys> while it would be more flexible if it called a script to do it
Jul 16 13:42:34 <Gabrys> because we could add extra init stuff to it
Jul 16 13:43:19 <Gabrys> Serdar: http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_hardware_hw/blobs/master/gps/gps_freerunner.c#line1332
Jul 16 13:45:07 <Serdar> hm
Jul 16 20:04:23 <stongo> is anyone having cookie issues with FF 3.6.6 mac?
Jul 16 20:04:39 <stongo> oops, wrong room :)
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