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Jul 19 07:50:38 <mvzaanen> Morning.
Jul 19 07:51:39 <Gabrys> hi
Jul 19 11:43:12 <Gabrys> hi guys
Jul 19 11:43:16 <Gabrys> I just found one nice thing
Jul 19 11:43:20 <Gabrys> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=110
Jul 19 11:43:43 <Gabrys> is this custom script enabled in all recent 2.1 and cupcake builds?
Jul 19 11:45:48 <Gabrys> I mean: is /data/local/custom.rc run on boot process in every recent build?
Jul 19 13:28:24 <Serdar> Gabrys, good question, maybe jancona can help you
Jul 19 13:29:16 <Gabrys> I'll check myself
Jul 19 13:29:25 <Gabrys> just did a compilation on FR, so I could'nt
Jul 19 15:16:54 <Gabrys> Serdar: 2.1 build misses it
Jul 19 15:17:00 <Gabrys> I'll check latest cupcake now
Jul 19 15:51:02 <Gabrys> Serdar: and in cupcake there is that script in init.rc :-)
Jul 19 15:53:56 <Gabrys> so I can put my gta02-gsm-bt fix there and run it on startup. Yupi :-)
Jul 19 15:59:12 <Serdar> does it work?
Jul 19 16:00:14 <Gabrys> I'm checking
Jul 19 16:00:29 <Gabrys> I will know in a moment
Jul 19 16:07:02 <Gabrys> Serdar: it does not work in a way I predicted
Jul 19 16:07:14 <Gabrys> it does not simply run this executable file
Jul 19 16:07:20 <Gabrys> maybe it needs to have init.rc syntax
Jul 19 16:36:46 <Gabrys> Serdar: I don't know
Jul 19 16:36:58 <Gabrys> I experimented with different content of the file
Jul 19 16:37:11 <Gabrys> but it seems it is not executed anyhow
Jul 19 16:37:17 <Serdar> hm
Jul 19 16:37:37 <Gabrys> I'm not sure you can put command like it is put in /init.rc
Jul 19 17:24:33 <Gabrys> Serdar: + probably /data is not yet mounted when /data/local/custom.rc is executed :-(
Jul 19 17:24:44 <Gabrys> I just did a hack around mediaserver
Jul 19 17:25:00 <Gabrys> and it seems when it's launched the first time /data is not mounted yet
Jul 19 17:29:36 <Serdar>  /data is not mounted?
Jul 19 17:29:41 <Serdar> that's strange
Jul 19 17:29:55 <Gabrys> I made a hack around mediaserver, so that it's a script
Jul 19 17:30:00 <Gabrys> that calls mediaserver.android
Jul 19 17:30:07 <Gabrys> and calls other executable before
Jul 19 17:30:17 <Gabrys> namely /data/custom.rc
Jul 19 17:30:33 <Gabrys> from ps -ef it seems the script is working
Jul 19 17:30:42 <Gabrys> but the side effect of /data/custom.rc are not visible
Jul 19 17:30:47 <Gabrys> and when I kill mediaserver
Jul 19 17:30:51 <Gabrys> android restarts it
Jul 19 17:30:57 <Gabrys> and then side effects are visible
Jul 19 17:31:13 <Gabrys> so it seems mediaserver is started so early, /data is not mounted
Jul 19 17:31:34 <Gabrys> maybe the /data/custom.rc line (if executed at all) is also executed before /data is mounted
Jul 19 17:31:44 <Gabrys> I meant /data/local/custom.rc each time
Jul 19 17:32:33 <Gabrys> I still don't understand why Google invited their own init :/
Jul 19 17:36:44 <Gabrys> Serdar: what do you think?
Jul 19 17:47:31 <Serdar> hmm wrong order
Jul 19 17:47:44 <Serdar> maybe there is a wrong order of calling inits
Jul 19 18:20:14 <Serdar>     mount yaffs2 mtd@userdata /data nosuid nodev
Jul 19 19:26:16 <Gabrys> in init.rc file it's before almost anything else
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar> include $(CLEAR_VARS)
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar> file := $(TARGET_ROOT_OUT)/init.rc
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar> $(file) : $(LOCAL_PATH)/init.rc | $(ACP)
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar>         $(transform-prebuilt-to-target)
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar> ALL_PREBUILT += $(file)
Jul 19 19:58:00 <Serdar> include $(CLEAR_VARS)
Jul 19 19:58:02 <Serdar> file := $(TARGET_ROOT_OUT)/init.gta02.rc
Jul 19 19:58:04 <Serdar> $(file) : $(LOCAL_PATH)/init.gta02.rc | $(ACP)
Jul 19 19:58:06 <Serdar>         $(transform-prebuilt-to-target)
Jul 19 19:58:08 <Serdar> ALL_PREBUILT += $(file)
Jul 19 19:58:15 <Serdar> I don't get the difference between init.rc and init.gta02.rc
Jul 19 19:59:54 <Serdar> I mean stuff like turn GPS on off, wifi GSM doesn't needed in gta02.rc right?
Jul 19 20:21:58 <Gabrys> I don't get this neither
Jul 19 20:22:15 <Gabrys> BTW, there's an mistake in last available daily on your site
Jul 19 20:22:27 <Gabrys> there's ln -s in the init.rc, while it should be symlink
Jul 19 20:22:34 <Gabrys> it's /cache -> /data/cache
Jul 19 20:31:01 <Serdar> yes it should be a symlink
Jul 19 20:31:17 <Serdar> because you can't write on /cache but on /data/cache I guess
Jul 19 20:32:28 <Serdar>     symlink /data/cache /cache
Jul 19 20:32:30 <Serdar> like this
Jul 19 20:32:43 <Serdar> line 27
Jul 19 20:38:02 <Gabrys> yeap
Jul 19 20:38:07 <Gabrys> is this fixed in git?
Jul 19 20:38:12 <Gabrys> I mean cupcake branch
Jul 19 20:38:22 <Gabrys> master is fixed AFAIR
Jul 19 20:38:39 <Serdar> don't know
Jul 19 20:38:41 <Serdar> I guess not
Jul 19 20:38:49 <Serdar> does it work?
Jul 19 20:41:19 <Gabrys> the daily works pretty well :-)
Jul 19 20:41:27 <Gabrys> I have some random issues from time to time
Jul 19 20:41:38 <Gabrys> but it's working way better than the master/2.1/whatever :-)
Jul 19 20:41:55 <Gabrys> rc was also really good "release"
Jul 19 20:42:18 <Serdar> +candidate
Jul 19 20:42:36 <Gabrys> too bad, there's no actual release :-)
Jul 19 20:42:48 <Gabrys> I think many people wanted to use Android one time
Jul 19 20:42:56 <Gabrys> I mean on FR
Jul 19 20:42:59 <Serdar> do you test froyo?
Jul 19 20:43:06 <Gabrys> no
Jul 19 20:43:09 <Serdar> hm
Jul 19 20:43:17 <Gabrys> I'm mainly using QtMoko now
Jul 19 20:43:20 <Serdar> I got no time for my moko
Jul 19 20:43:41 <Gabrys> I need to compile things and I'm addicted to GNU userland :-)
Jul 19 20:43:52 <Serdar> first reason is, I got a girlfriend now :D
Jul 19 20:44:02 <Serdar> hmm
Jul 19 20:44:05 <Gabrys> good for you :-)
Jul 19 20:44:18 <Serdar> :>
Jul 19 20:44:28 <Serdar> I am waiting for my HTC Desire :)
Jul 19 20:44:47 <Serdar> then I will have a great working mobile phone with android :)
Jul 19 20:45:04 <Serdar> but Samsung Galaxy S I9000 is much better :/
Jul 19 20:45:48 <Gabrys> it's funny, but FR got way faster in last few months
Jul 19 20:46:28 <Gabrys> gena2x reads specs and makes HW scream :-)
Jul 19 20:46:56 <Gabrys> if someone realized hw can do that much 2 years ago, OpenMoko history could be way different
Jul 19 20:48:07 <Serdar> what?
Jul 19 20:48:25 <Serdar> I didn't get it, what do <ou mean with hw scream?
Jul 19 20:48:59 <Gabrys> I mean FreeRunner's hardware when configured well can do much better that it was believed it could
Jul 19 20:49:20 <Serdar> hm
Jul 19 20:49:27 <Gabrys> CPU<->GPU bus speed can be improved by 25% just by configuring stuff well
Jul 19 20:49:40 <Serdar> you mean with qtmoko?
Jul 19 20:49:44 <Gabrys> I don't understand it, because it's magic for me
Jul 19 20:49:49 <Gabrys> no, it's mostly in-kernel
Jul 19 20:49:55 <Serdar> oh
Jul 19 20:49:56 <Gabrys> and u-boot
Jul 19 20:50:00 <Gabrys> u-boot/Qi
Jul 19 20:50:17 <Gabrys> but some magic timings of memory bus is set in kernel to 4-4-4
Jul 19 20:50:22 <Serdar> hmm we got an old qi
Jul 19 20:50:32 <Gabrys> while it can be (according to hardware specs) 2-4-2
Jul 19 20:50:41 <Serdar> do you have 2 Freerunner??
Jul 19 20:50:42 <Gabrys> which gives 25% faster memcpy
Jul 19 20:50:47 <Serdar> or how do you test your stuff?
Jul 19 20:51:12 <Gabrys> I haven't tested the numbers I'm talking about now :-)
Jul 19 20:51:17 <Gabrys> it's a work in progress
Jul 19 20:51:23 <Gabrys> I have one FreeRunner
Jul 19 20:51:33 <Serdar> I meant your script etc.
Jul 19 20:51:51 <Serdar> [19:30]  <Gabrys> and when I kill mediaserver
Jul 19 20:51:54 <Serdar> for examlpe
Jul 19 20:52:03 <Gabrys> I used adb
Jul 19 20:52:03 <Serdar> how can you do that with qtmoko installed
Jul 19 20:52:12 <Gabrys> I have qtmoko on uSD now
Jul 19 20:52:21 <Serdar> I see
Jul 19 20:52:33 <Gabrys> I do some work on enabling bt calls
Jul 19 20:52:36 <Serdar> I compiled froyo few weeks ago
Jul 19 20:52:41 <Serdar> that's why I was asking
Jul 19 20:52:42 <Gabrys> and I test things on android as well
Jul 19 20:52:59 <Gabrys> also improving time to first fix of GPS
Jul 19 20:53:14 <Gabrys> I hate SHR people fixing some stuff in their framework
Jul 19 20:53:26 <Gabrys> so that only SHR benefit from it, while it's a general problem of hardware
Jul 19 20:53:43 <Gabrys> I prefer making a solution that works everywhere so that anyone can use it
Jul 19 20:54:00 <Gabrys> that's why I'm testing and developing stuff on QtMoko
Jul 19 20:54:06 <Gabrys> and then compile and test on Android
Jul 19 20:54:43 <Gabrys> and how is froyo?
Jul 19 20:54:54 <Gabrys> I mean does GPS, GPRS, Wifi and Bluetooth work?
Jul 19 20:55:08 <Gabrys> plus GSM calls and SMS :-)
Jul 19 20:55:56 <Gabrys> Serdar: also, is JIT really possible for FreeRunner in near future?
Jul 19 21:35:43 <Serdar> I have no idea, I only compiled it, but never tested, because lack of time
Jul 19 21:36:00 <Serdar> I guess, the problem is armv4
Jul 19 21:36:25 <Gabrys> OK :-)
Jul 19 21:38:33 <Serdar> there are some stuff for armv5 but not armv4
Jul 19 21:38:56 <Gabrys> I though so
Jul 19 21:39:07 <Gabrys> but probably one can port it sometime :-)
Jul 19 21:43:56 <Serdar> I hope jancona is doing that :)
Jul 19 21:48:30 <Gabrys> the most beautiful thing Android could become
Jul 19 21:48:36 <Gabrys> would be a Debian package :-)
Jul 19 21:49:06 <Gabrys> on Debian installation you just aptitude install android
Jul 19 21:49:12 <Gabrys> and then /etc/init.d/android start
Jul 19 21:53:01 <Serdar> hehe
Jul 19 21:53:20 <Serdar> I have aitken-neville algorithm :/
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