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Jul 22 07:16:53 <mvzaanen> Morning.
Jul 22 07:18:51 <Gabrys> hi guys
Jul 22 07:18:56 <Gabrys> I have a problem
Jul 22 07:19:07 <Gabrys> I'm running one of Serdar's dailys master
Jul 22 07:19:24 <Gabrys> and I copied the aof git source and compiled it
Jul 22 07:19:35 <Gabrys> according to google wiki
Jul 22 07:20:00 <Gabrys> and I don't seem to be able to run binaries generated in that tree
Jul 22 07:20:03 <Gabrys> for example:
Jul 22 07:20:14 <Gabrys> / # /sdcard/alsa_aplay
Jul 22 07:20:14 <Gabrys> reloc_library[1283]:  2381 cannot locate 'snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels'...CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE
Jul 22 07:20:26 <Gabrys> it's alsa_aplay copied from out/target/product/freerunner/system/bin/alsa_aplay
Jul 22 07:20:34 <Gabrys> what's the problem?
Jul 22 07:21:06 <Gabrys>  /system/library/libasound.so is present
Jul 22 07:21:14 <Gabrys> also the binary works in cupcake daily
Jul 22 07:45:47 <mvzaanen> is snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels in libasound.so?
Jul 22 07:45:56 <Gabrys> should be
Jul 22 07:46:05 <Gabrys> I think I need to redownload the source
Jul 22 07:46:09 <Gabrys> I think I have cupcake source
Jul 22 07:47:14 <mvzaanen> that might have changed
Jul 22 07:47:26 <mvzaanen> wouldn't nm libasound.so show it?
Jul 22 07:47:32 <Gabrys> nm on android?
Jul 22 07:47:45 <mvzaanen> oh...
Jul 22 07:47:45 <mvzaanen> :D
Jul 22 07:47:50 <mvzaanen> I'm not sure that's available
Jul 22 11:54:07 <s0u][ight> Serdar, ping
Jul 22 11:54:21 <Serdar> yes?
Jul 22 11:54:26 <s0u][ight> i believe you are the one with the nightly builds?
Jul 22 11:54:54 <s0u][ight> i want to modify the content of system.img
Jul 22 11:55:05 <s0u][ight> managed to extract the content under linux
Jul 22 11:56:00 <s0u][ight> want to modify and build another system.img of it
Jul 22 11:56:04 <s0u][ight> will it work that way?
Jul 22 11:56:18 <s0u][ight> mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -d/tmp/jffsroot/ # for GTA02
Jul 22 11:56:25 <s0u][ight> is that the correct command to rebuild system.img?
Jul 22 11:57:12 <Serdar> no idea, you could ask at #openmoko or #openmoko-cdevel this kind of questions.
Jul 22 11:57:32 <s0u][ight> :/ how do you build those android builds?
Jul 22 11:57:42 <s0u][ight> how is that system.img created?
Jul 22 11:57:42 <Serdar> the buildsystem is doing this kind of stuff for us
Jul 22 11:57:51 <Serdar> Makefile
Jul 22 11:58:08 <s0u][ight> can i take a look at it?
Jul 22 11:58:16 <Serdar> yes
Jul 22 11:58:21 <Serdar> feel free to change it
Jul 22 11:58:22 <s0u][ight> interested in the part making system.img
Jul 22 11:58:38 <s0u][ight> any offense if i send you a pm?
Jul 22 11:59:01 <Serdar> it is linked on our google page and also at the topic of this channel
Jul 22 11:59:12 <Serdar> git: http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner
Jul 22 13:03:24 <s0u][ight> Serdar, it works "partially"
Jul 22 13:03:44 <s0u][ight> has anyone actually tried to add the google apps to freerunner android port?
Jul 22 13:09:00 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: it won't work
Jul 22 13:09:16 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, why?
Jul 22 13:09:24 <Gabrys> they link to proprietary libs
Jul 22 13:09:35 <Gabrys> that are only present on official Google-branded devices
Jul 22 13:09:54 <s0u][ight> well, i got a dev phone restore image with those files
Jul 22 13:09:56 <Gabrys> and there, they are compiled for armv5, so no chance to hack it around
Jul 22 13:10:22 <Gabrys> unless you steal source from Google, which you won't
Jul 22 13:11:00 <s0u][ight> what cpu does freerunner have?
Jul 22 13:11:47 <Gabrys> armv4
Jul 22 13:12:13 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, afaik, .apk files are not cpu related, all the same
Jul 22 13:12:16 <mvzaanen> s0u][ight: http://wiki.telefoninux.org/doku.php?id=guida:mettere_market_e_sync_su_android explains something like what you want
Jul 22 13:12:22 <mvzaanen> it's in italian though, but pretty easy to follow
Jul 22 13:12:30 <mvzaanen> it's not supported though
Jul 22 13:12:50 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: Google .apks rely on system libs that are not present in open source Android
Jul 22 13:13:06 <Gabrys> there are plenty of apks CPU dependend
Jul 22 13:13:12 <Gabrys> take any GPS navigation app
Jul 22 13:13:49 <s0u][ight> so, i need the libs for armv4?
Jul 22 13:14:09 <Gabrys> yes
Jul 22 13:14:24 <Gabrys> and the libs are only available in binary form for armv5 devices
Jul 22 13:14:25 <s0u][ight> which files are those?
Jul 22 13:14:28 <Gabrys> + it's illegal
Jul 22 13:14:34 <Gabrys> I can't tell
Jul 22 13:15:21 <Gabrys> I don't recall if there was clear message
Jul 22 13:15:33 <Gabrys> damn
Jul 22 13:15:42 <Gabrys> I have the same error as yesterday
Jul 22 13:15:49 <Gabrys> just compiled brand new android tree
Jul 22 13:15:52 <Gabrys> master
Jul 22 13:16:12 <Gabrys> and I can't run my app build in the three on the phone
Jul 22 13:16:26 <Gabrys> / # /sdcard/gta02-gsm-bt-fix
Jul 22 13:16:26 <Gabrys> reloc_library[1283]:  1117 cannot locate 'snd_strerror'...CANNOT LINK EXECUTABLE
Jul 22 13:16:26 <Gabrys> / #
Jul 22 13:16:57 <Gabrys> now what, the build is too old?
Jul 22 13:27:26 <Gabrys> I hate debugging problems on Android
Jul 22 13:28:07 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, sorry for bothering again, but guys at iphonelinux made their own build of android (pure based on opensource android) and market works on that port
Jul 22 13:28:10 <s0u][ight> with no additional libs
Jul 22 13:28:34 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: that's interesting
Jul 22 13:28:57 <s0u][ight> on a chat with them aswell atm
Jul 22 13:29:24 <mvzaanen> cool
Jul 22 13:29:30 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, only needs 2 frameworks
Jul 22 13:29:32 <mvzaanen> I wonder how they've managed the marketplace access
Jul 22 13:29:44 <mvzaanen> and I wonder if they can sync with google calendar etc as well
Jul 22 13:30:01 <s0u][ight> gtalkservice.xml and maps.xml
Jul 22 13:30:10 <s0u][ight> com.google.android.*
Jul 22 13:30:27 <s0u][ight> these are platform independant frameworks guys
Jul 22 13:30:35 <s0u][ight> porting market i believe IS possible
Jul 22 13:30:54 <s0u][ight> i know which files i need
Jul 22 13:31:31 <s0u][ight> just need to add them in system/{etc/permissions,app,framework}
Jul 22 13:31:48 <Gabrys> you can try :-)
Jul 22 13:32:01 <Gabrys> I doubt it'll work though :-)
Jul 22 13:32:16 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, well, i need a way to modify the content of system.img or any other file i can use to modify the system
Jul 22 13:32:22 <mvzaanen> it does work
Jul 22 13:32:31 <mvzaanen> read the url that i pasted a while ago
Jul 22 13:32:43 <s0u][ight> mvzaanen, i'm not italian :P
Jul 22 13:32:48 <Gabrys> Serdar: those APKs for sure contain native code so they won't work on neo
Jul 22 13:32:49 <mvzaanen> neither am I
Jul 22 13:32:58 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: those APKs for sure contain native code so they won't work on neo
Jul 22 13:32:58 <mvzaanen> it's pretty easy to read though
Jul 22 13:33:09 <Gabrys> Serdar: you asked if latest froyo build works
Jul 22 13:33:25 <Gabrys> if you mean 0721 nightly build it won't start
Jul 22 13:33:40 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, isn't it worth a try?
Jul 22 13:33:45 <s0u][ight> you'll never know
Jul 22 13:33:55 <Gabrys> I tried installing those apps
Jul 22 13:34:02 <Gabrys> once
Jul 22 13:34:04 <Gabrys> just for checking
Jul 22 13:34:21 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, it is not only "installing" them
Jul 22 13:34:38 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: try and share :-)
Jul 22 13:35:09 <s0u][ight> well, my question, which file needs modifications (meaning contains the system folder)
Jul 22 13:35:16 <Gabrys> Serdar: the flashing ANDROID text blinks forever
Jul 22 13:35:48 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: I though it's mentioned at those italian site?
Jul 22 13:36:01 <s0u][ight> need to read italian :(
Jul 22 13:36:50 <s0u][ight> and i don't have adb installed
Jul 22 13:38:38 <s0u][ight> mvzaanen, did you try that method?
Jul 22 13:38:55 <mvzaanen> the method from the url?
Jul 22 13:38:56 <mvzaanen> yes, that works
Jul 22 13:39:06 <mvzaanen> I don't have marketplace access
Jul 22 13:39:12 <mvzaanen> well, I have access but can't install anything
Jul 22 13:39:18 <s0u][ight> why?
Jul 22 13:39:32 <mvzaanen> I'm using an older release, but someone, I can't remember who helped me
Jul 22 13:39:34 <mvzaanen> did have it working
Jul 22 13:39:46 <ran000> Hi . Try to find cupcakefull.tar.gz from issue7 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component
Jul 22 13:40:19 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, when pushing pulling files, from which file does it get them?
Jul 22 13:40:26 <ran000> It has googe staff inserted
Jul 22 13:41:00 <Gabrys> s0u][ight: I'm not sure what you're asking for
Jul 22 13:41:31 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, the files to install android on freerunner, one of those files has the system folder right?
Jul 22 13:41:43 <s0u][ight> with the app folder, frameworks, etc...
Jul 22 13:42:33 <Gabrys> system.img
Jul 22 13:42:43 <s0u][ight> :/ the hard file
Jul 22 13:42:51 <s0u][ight> modifying that one is hard
Jul 22 13:43:32 <s0u][ight> ok, what i already was able to do: read content from it under linux
Jul 22 13:43:57 <s0u][ight> but you can't just modify the content, complains about size
Jul 22 13:44:34 <s0u][ight> with mkfs.jffs2 you can create a new system.img file, but that needs more testing (from my part)
Jul 22 13:48:10 <s0u][ight> what, the system.img file is first mounted rw and then ro (in init.rc) file
Jul 22 13:49:23 <Gabrys> you can build system.img from scratch
Jul 22 13:49:26 <Gabrys> I mean from sources
Jul 22 13:49:29 <Gabrys> it's not that hard
Jul 22 13:49:41 <Gabrys> and then you can add stuff to it while it builds
Jul 22 13:49:58 <s0u][ight> 0.o sounds interesting
Jul 22 13:50:13 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, can you tell me what command is used to create that system.img?
Jul 22 13:50:19 <s0u][ight> the exact command to create the image
Jul 22 13:50:29 <Gabrys> nope
Jul 22 13:50:36 <Gabrys> I do it with make
Jul 22 13:51:00 <Gabrys> I tried to find out but never found the exact command/options to mkjffs2
Jul 22 13:51:16 <s0u][ight> not in the Makefile?
Jul 22 13:51:54 <Gabrys> Android has Makefiles screwed up
Jul 22 13:52:18 <Gabrys> I don't like the whole developer/debugging part of Android
Jul 22 13:52:27 <s0u][ight> somewhere it has to call for a script or whatever
Jul 22 13:53:16 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, can i find those files in the git or main android source?
Jul 22 13:53:39 <Gabrys> android-on-freerunner's git
Jul 22 13:53:49 <s0u][ight> i'm gonna give it a try
Jul 22 13:54:13 <Gabrys> I'm not sure you're going to succeed with master though
Jul 22 13:54:22 <Gabrys> it doesn't boot properly
Jul 22 13:55:47 <s0u][ight> i have to git clone and look in the files on my own computer right?
Jul 22 13:56:04 <Gabrys> it's repo init or something like this
Jul 22 13:56:14 <Gabrys> I would suggest to work with cupcake
Jul 22 13:56:21 <s0u][ight> i'm going to do so
Jul 22 13:56:37 <Gabrys> follow this: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/BuildIt
Jul 22 13:56:45 <s0u][ight> mvzaanen, maybe you should try marketupdater.ap
Jul 22 13:56:47 <s0u][ight> apk
Jul 22 14:00:35 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, what is the exact comment to get the cupcake tree?
Jul 22 14:00:52 <Gabrys> don't know, read the docs
Jul 22 14:02:32 <mvzaanen> O
Jul 22 14:02:34 <mvzaanen> I'll see
Jul 22 14:02:43 <mvzaanen> I probably have to get a new image at some point anyway
Jul 22 14:02:51 <mvzaanen> it woudl just be great if I could sync calendar
Jul 22 14:03:24 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, i don't have much experiance with git
Jul 22 14:03:36 <s0u][ight> repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b cupcake doesn't do the trick for me
Jul 22 14:03:46 <Gabrys> have you read the related link?
Jul 22 14:04:10 <Gabrys> "In general the setup necessary to build Android-on-Freerunner is the  same as for the main Android project. See the  Get Android Source page" [...]
Jul 22 14:04:21 <Gabrys> One important difference: $ repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b master
Jul 22 14:04:32 <Gabrys> you need to read the "Get Android Source page"
Jul 22 14:04:32 <s0u][ight> yes that command is what i used
Jul 22 14:04:37 <s0u][ight> aah :|
Jul 22 14:04:38 <Gabrys> and apply the difference to that document
Jul 22 14:05:33 <s0u][ight> is someone willing to share his local source with me?
Jul 22 14:06:18 <s0u][ight> i'm not interested in getting full source code of android
Jul 22 14:08:13 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, gonna try something else
Jul 22 14:14:02 <s0u][ight> Gabrys, i think i can directly read/write the system.img file :)
Jul 22 16:26:38 <Serdar> Gabrys, froyo build from 21st does not work, right?
Jul 22 16:27:16 <Gabrys> ~serdar/daily master from 21st -- not sure if it's froyo -- doesn't work
Jul 22 16:27:27 <Serdar> it is froyo
Jul 22 16:27:30 <Gabrys> hangs on flashing ANDROID logo
Jul 22 16:27:36 <Gabrys> in fact now hangs
Jul 22 16:27:40 <Gabrys> but stays there forever
Jul 22 16:27:44 <Serdar> hmm
Jul 22 16:27:55 <Gabrys> with blanking to black from time to time
Jul 22 16:28:00 <Gabrys> and then flashing again
Jul 22 16:28:28 <Serdar> hmm sounds familiar
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