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Aug 15 06:37:28 <abram> rivers of babylon
Aug 15 08:47:08 <ColdFyre> ponies
Aug 15 10:32:50 <gnustavo> hello! i'm look for a twitter and identi.ca client, but twitli ara only on market; and twittermoko is in opk format
Aug 15 10:33:35 <gnustavo> somebody know more clients like gwibber?
Aug 15 10:55:28 <s0u][ight> is the froyo build working?
Aug 15 11:00:52 <abram> greetings bredren
Aug 15 11:42:04 <abram> is there a faster way to get android on the freerunner than preparing the sd card every time?
Aug 15 12:09:15 <gnustavo> abram how can I untar the tar.bz2 daily build on sd card?
Aug 15 13:04:26 <gnustavo> how is possible that system remember the wifi connections, or the date after a new installation by sd-card?
Aug 15 17:23:51 <s0u][ight> hi guys
Aug 15 17:24:08 <s0u][ight> can I disable animations via adbN
Aug 15 17:24:09 <s0u][ight> ?
Aug 15 17:55:58 <abram> greetings Serdar
Aug 15 17:56:26 <s0u][ight> Serdar, cool new build works :)
Aug 15 17:56:35 <s0u][ight> but can't you disable animations by default?
Aug 15 17:57:17 <JamesWstubbs> Hello
Aug 15 18:05:35 <abram> [23:44] Serdar: it's better without animations
Aug 15 18:05:40 <abram> yesterday
Aug 15 18:05:53 <abram> maybe he has already created one without
Aug 15 18:06:23 <s0u][ight> 20100814 is what i am using
Aug 15 18:06:41 <JamesWstubbs> I should hopefully be able to join you all in development soon
Aug 15 18:06:51 <JamesWstubbs> Waiting for a Freerunner now
Aug 15 18:07:07 <s0u][ight> JamesWstubbs, maybe you should grab a copy of the code already :P
Aug 15 18:07:47 <JamesWstubbs> I am now, can you virtualise, using qemu possibly?
Aug 15 18:08:31 <s0u][ight> JamesWstubbs, i thought there is a virtualization thing in the sdk
Aug 15 18:09:36 <JamesWstubbs> s0u][ight: Is there a bog standard freerunner channel, I'd like to get some info on neopwn
Aug 15 18:10:01 <s0u][ight> #openmoko
Aug 15 18:10:19 <JamesWstubbs> Thanks
Aug 15 18:10:35 <JamesWstubbs> s0u][ight: I have right click semi working on iX :)
Aug 15 18:10:51 <s0u][ight> how,
Aug 15 18:10:52 <s0u][ight> ?
Aug 15 18:11:23 <JamesWstubbs> Patched keyboard module, mapped home key to meny
Aug 15 18:11:23 <JamesWstubbs> menu*
Aug 15 18:11:36 <JamesWstubbs> Using xmodmap, I'd like to get it mapped to shift_l+f10
Aug 15 18:12:36 <s0u][ight> :|
Aug 15 18:12:45 <s0u][ight> maybe xbindkeys can help :P
Aug 15 18:13:38 <JamesWstubbs> If I use that I'd need to map it to pointer_button3, evdev unforuntaly doesn't have that as an option, good idea though :)
Aug 15 18:14:43 <s0u][ight> JamesWstubbs, or do it like wm, longpress is right click
Aug 15 18:15:22 <JamesWstubbs> s0u][ight: That's what I'd like to do
Aug 15 18:15:29 <JamesWstubbs> s0u][ight: I'm working on a patch for evdev to do that after 1000ms
Aug 15 18:15:30 <s0u][ight> wait, evdev, like udev for multitouch?
Aug 15 18:15:37 <JamesWstubbs> I had it wrking with evtouch, but it caused problems in landscape
Aug 15 18:17:41 <JamesWstubbs> Yep, evdev is the only driver I've managed to make work
Aug 15 18:22:53 <JamesWstubbs> udev is how Linux userland handles drivers
Aug 15 18:22:58 <s0u][ight> i know
Aug 15 18:23:16 <s0u][ight> evdev is the way to go for multiple input methods
Aug 15 18:23:21 <s0u][ight> like double mouses
Aug 15 18:23:28 <s0u][ight> or multitouch screen
Aug 15 18:25:08 <JamesWstubbs> Correct, using xinput I've confirmed that multitouch is indeed working :)
Aug 15 18:25:35 <JamesWstubbs> I can assign a second input method for 2 other axes
Aug 15 18:25:40 <JamesWstubbs> But it's usless until I have toolkits set up for multitouch
Aug 15 18:26:22 <s0u][ight> JamesWstubbs, do you have any experiance writing video acceleration code?
Aug 15 18:26:26 <s0u][ight> 2d/3d?
Aug 15 18:27:39 <JamesWstubbs> s0u][ight: Non at all
Aug 15 18:27:48 <s0u][ight> :)
Aug 15 18:28:00 <s0u][ight> the opensource community really needs a few of those
Aug 15 18:28:55 <JamesWstubbs> iPhoneLinux needs them to for reversing gpu.
Aug 15 23:05:35 <Serdar> hi
Aug 15 23:06:17 <Serdar> TomaszD, I will rebuild a new cupcake are you interestedf?
Aug 16 00:14:47 <Serdar> hey jancona
Aug 16 00:15:00 <Serdar> long time no see :)
Aug 16 00:23:03 <jancona> I've been on vacation. Only internet was the world's slowest EDGE connection...
Aug 16 00:23:27 <jancona> But I'm home now and back to work tomorrow
Aug 16 00:25:32 <Serdar> hehe
Aug 16 00:29:32 <Serdar> what do you think about these changes? http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/cup.diff
Aug 16 00:36:05 <jancona> They look reasonable to me.
Aug 16 00:36:08 <jancona> Why don't you package them as three patches and either email them to the list or attach each to an issue with an explanation of what it does.
Aug 16 00:36:56 <Serdar> jancona, does Launcher exist somewhere at froyo?
Aug 16 00:37:03 <jancona> Also, try not to change whitespace or the order of lines--it makes the diff hard to read.
Aug 16 00:37:38 <jancona> I think so, why?
Aug 16 00:38:22 <Serdar> hm  I don't see it
Aug 16 00:38:28 <Serdar> only Launcher2
Aug 16 00:38:46 <jancona> Yes, I don't see it either, now that I look
Aug 16 00:41:44 <Serdar> jancona, http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/froyo.diff
Aug 16 00:41:50 <Serdar> that's my changes for froyo
Aug 16 00:42:04 <Serdar> but I guess this symlink stuff is not needed for froyo
Aug 16 00:42:12 <Serdar> because froyo supports install to disk
Aug 16 00:43:12 <Serdar> and this is what people get http://paste-it.net/public/e01af32/
Aug 16 00:43:34 <jancona> What is the symlink for?
Aug 16 00:43:41 <Serdar> android.process.acore crashes and restart everytime
Aug 16 00:44:11 <Serdar> it's from an issue, but I don't know which one
Aug 16 00:44:15 <jancona> I know
Aug 16 00:45:04 <jancona> I don't know what's causing it either
Aug 16 00:45:54 <Serdar> I thought about Launcher
Aug 16 00:48:57 <Serdar> but it happens still after changing to Launcher2
Aug 16 00:52:14 <Serdar> jancona, it's because of issue 110
Aug 16 00:52:24 <Serdar> http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=110&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component
Aug 16 00:53:09 <Serdar> #147 should be done after adding the package
Aug 16 00:55:49 <Serdar> jancona, is it possible to add the old Launcher from eclair?
Aug 16 00:56:16 <jancona> I don't know--why do you think Launcher2 is the problem?
Aug 16 00:56:49 <Serdar> no idea I am trying out.
Aug 16 00:57:01 <Serdar> btw is it possible to disable animations by default?
Aug 16 00:57:15 <Serdar> they are slowing down froyo
Aug 16 00:57:37 <Serdar> it's nearly impossible to use froyo with animation enabled
Aug 16 00:58:06 <Serdar> but after disabling it, the performance is better
Aug 16 00:59:12 <jancona> Probably--in vender/neo/fr/system.prop
Aug 16 00:59:25 <jancona> You'd have to figure out what the property name is
Aug 16 01:00:48 <Serdar> I thought so
Aug 16 01:01:16 <Serdar> but I have no damn idea what it is, that's why I couldn't try it out :)
Aug 16 01:04:59 <DJ_Steve> sup
Aug 16 01:05:16 <Serdar> hi DJ_Steve
Aug 16 01:05:40 <DJ_Steve> Alreet
Aug 16 01:06:43 <DJ_Steve> ok who be dev etc as im not hangin bout long
Aug 16 01:07:12 <Serdar> jancona
Aug 16 01:07:43 <DJ_Steve> Ok jancona ya about......
Aug 16 01:09:10 <Serdar> jancona, DJ_Steve is working for NITdroid ad saw a problem in our logs which they got on their project
Aug 16 01:09:39 <DJ_Steve> related in part to power management/wakelocks
Aug 16 01:09:42 <Serdar> DJ_Steve, was it line 108?
Aug 16 01:09:52 <Serdar> http://paste-it.net/public/e01af32/
Aug 16 01:10:58 <DJ_Steve> chekin
Aug 16 01:11:56 <DJ_Steve> Yea somethink related to surfaceflinger it was
Aug 16 01:13:43 <DJ_Steve> that error is fixable by kernel edit but from what we (serdar) could work out the kernel has not got full if any wakelock/earlysuspend support which is partly required for better power management in android
Aug 16 01:13:44 <jancona> Right, I would guess that's related to kernel config
Aug 16 01:14:21 <Serdar> I tried this but I gues it didn't help: http://codepad.org/OytTa8hQ
Aug 16 01:14:26 <jancona> Right, the AQndroid support in our kernel is very old
Aug 16 01:15:17 <DJ_Steve> hmm an idea may be to examine our nitdroid sources to extract android patches as we are on .28 at min
Aug 16 01:15:30 <DJ_Steve> And we have the wakelock etc inkernel
Aug 16 01:16:15 <jancona> I think the right thing to do would be to start from the new .32 kernel that the OM folks are working on, then merge the Google patches
Aug 16 01:16:39 <Serdar> how much work is that?
Aug 16 01:16:54 <DJ_Steve> that also possible but google have a .32 kernel tree also
Aug 16 01:17:03 <jancona> I started in on that a few weeks ago, but didn't get too far. I'm not really a kernel hacker and I don't have a debug board
Aug 16 01:17:19 <Serdar> I got one
Aug 16 01:17:31 <Serdar> niels too
Aug 16 01:17:53 <jancona> Serdar, it's probably not that much work if you know what you're doing.
Aug 16 01:18:07 <DJ_Steve> Im not a huge kernel hacker nor have freerunner but getting android patches in from another source shoudln be hard
Aug 16 01:18:08 <jancona> But I don't :-)
Aug 16 01:18:41 <jancona> I may give it another try when I get some time
Aug 16 01:19:34 <jancona> My last try ended when I got a kernel panic on boot
Aug 16 01:19:52 <DJ_Steve> jancona if you can throw me over links to kernelz/patches etc ill have a play about this week sometime. Could also use patches for a generic android source to make it build for freerunner
Aug 16 01:20:22 <DJ_Steve> Oh fun panics lol i see lots of those :)
Aug 16 01:23:11 <Serdar> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary
Aug 16 01:23:15 <DJ_Steve> provided someone doesnt mind playing tester i dont mind tryin build a kernel
Aug 16 01:23:46 <DJ_Steve> Serdar am in here on me e63 so email is wayy better way for me to keep info lol
Aug 16 01:24:45 <DJ_Steve> Steve1030uk at gmail dot com serdar
Aug 16 01:25:01 <jancona> DJ_Steve: I built the OM kernel using these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#Building_the_2.6.32_branch
Aug 16 01:25:45 <DJ_Steve> Jancona as above lol email please unless this chan is logged somewhere
Aug 16 01:26:27 <Serdar> it is
Aug 16 01:26:28 <Serdar> but where again
Aug 16 01:26:42 <Serdar> this nslu2-log should do it for us
Aug 16 01:26:42 <DJ_Steve> pass
Aug 16 01:28:04 <jancona> It is logged at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/android-on-freerunner/
Aug 16 01:28:40 <Serdar> where are the android patches?
Aug 16 01:28:48 <Serdar> I am sending the mail
Aug 16 01:29:16 <jancona> After I got the OM kernel I merged the Android patches, with:
Aug 16 01:29:19 <jancona> git remote add korg git://android.git.kernel.org/kernel/common.git
Aug 16 01:29:19 <jancona> git fetch korg
Aug 16 01:29:19 <jancona> git merge korg/android-2.6.32
Aug 16 01:30:03 <jancona> Then git mergetool to fix merge errors, make menuconfig and build
Aug 16 01:30:18 <jancona> Then install and panic :-)
Aug 16 01:30:36 <DJ_Steve> sounds easy enough but probably some stupid error somewhere
Aug 16 01:31:02 <jancona> Probably. Finding it is the problem
Aug 16 01:31:08 <DJ_Steve> Yep
Aug 16 01:32:09 <DJ_Steve> Anyways im gonna go grab some sleep back at work in about ten hrs. Ill hop in here tomorrow at some point tho
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