**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 28 02:59:57 2010 Aug 28 14:55:21 hi DJ_Steve Aug 28 14:56:35 hi jancona Aug 28 14:58:17 ecraven, can you try something for me? Aug 28 14:58:49 th0br0, or you? Aug 28 14:59:09 not me, sorry. i don#t even know where my fr is right now :D Aug 28 14:59:22 or anybody else Aug 28 14:59:33 th0br0, ts, I know where mine is. Aug 28 14:59:45 at my parents place Aug 28 15:00:00 :D Aug 28 15:00:49 hmm need somebody trying my glamo patched qi for the installer Aug 28 15:02:26 hi ran000 Aug 28 15:02:42 Hello Serdar Aug 28 15:03:56 Please, look at Google Group vold issue I have update some minures ago. Aug 28 15:04:13 number? Aug 28 15:04:14 7? Aug 28 15:04:27 May be jancona should be informed about Aug 28 15:05:01 Not here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/t/635e7debf0598a84 Aug 28 15:07:10 Serdar, do you find a subj I am talking about? Aug 28 15:08:58 Serdar, where are you qi patch? Aug 28 15:10:10 yes Aug 28 15:10:18 I read it, sounds interesting Aug 28 15:10:49 http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img Aug 28 15:11:08 I lose my working system, unfortunatly Aug 28 15:11:32 I don't know if this works, can't test it without a freerunner Aug 28 15:11:37 what did you done? Aug 28 15:11:47 But It is possible to me play with you qi. I will do Aug 28 15:12:19 sup Aug 28 15:12:20 I took the installer branch, add the glamo patch and build the bootloader Aug 28 15:12:23 it should work Aug 28 15:12:30 but no garantee Aug 28 15:12:49 Ok it is not problem for me Aug 28 15:13:27 what I could'nt compile is busybox Aug 28 15:13:45 and mtd-utils Aug 28 15:29:37 Serdar, qi work ok for my SDbased cupcake and SDbased froyo. I try video in froyo, but could not say is it differ from video with previous qi. Aug 28 16:20:25 hmm Aug 28 16:24:06 ran000 maybe I made an error, I recompiled it now, you can try it again Aug 28 16:42:48 I have try second version of qi. Work same. Aug 28 16:42:59 It is necesserty to think about clear test to view a difference. Aug 28 16:43:07 May be looks a bit quicker, but it is necesserty to prepare tools to view this bit. Aug 28 17:15:35 I have typed a message with cupcake RC1 ( my daily phone system ) . It looks that typing work seriously quicker. Aug 28 17:48:41 ran000 so this qi makes cupcake faster? Aug 28 18:50:52 hey abram Aug 28 18:50:58 which android are you useing? Aug 28 18:51:25 sry Serdar2, i have send it back Aug 28 18:51:31 too expensive Aug 28 18:51:34 230 Aug 28 18:51:35 oh Aug 28 18:51:46 I paid much more :) Aug 28 18:51:51 loooool Aug 28 18:52:04 how much? Aug 28 18:52:28 249 EUR + 49 EUR Leather Case Aug 28 18:52:38 + 19 EUR GPS Cable Aug 28 18:52:45 hmk Aug 28 18:52:46 + 25 EUR DEbug Board Aug 28 18:52:50 lol Aug 28 18:52:59 that was for free in my package Aug 28 18:53:02 yes the debug board is free now Aug 28 18:53:12 and i had a gps antenna too Aug 28 18:53:34 I buyed it and than few days later it was 19 EUR and few days after that it was free Aug 28 18:53:44 bad that there wont be new hardware... Aug 28 18:54:01 that's true Aug 28 18:54:09 sybren, ping? Aug 28 18:54:20 larlin, ping? Aug 28 18:54:26 if i can get one cheaper i'll shoot it Aug 28 18:54:52 people are selling their freerunner. Aug 28 18:55:00 yeah they are^^ Aug 28 18:55:27 i can understand that Aug 28 18:55:46 I got a desire now, but I don't sell my freerunner :) Aug 28 18:55:52 :D Aug 28 18:56:02 nice thing to play with Aug 28 18:56:54 the desire? yes Aug 28 18:57:17 :D Aug 28 18:57:17 both Aug 28 18:57:31 android on it, right? Aug 28 18:57:36 yes Aug 28 18:58:18 what resolution dois the desire have? Aug 28 18:58:46 no idea Aug 28 18:58:52 I am useing it as a phone Aug 28 18:58:57 lol Aug 28 18:59:08 when did u get it? Aug 28 18:59:12 only to call? Aug 28 19:01:57 Serdar2, yes? Aug 28 19:02:02 :D Aug 28 19:02:08 thats a fast pong Aug 28 19:02:28 well was on washing duty... =) Aug 28 19:02:35 kk^^ Aug 28 19:03:54 but as usual when I answer serdar is gone and nowhere to be seen :p Aug 28 19:05:56 lol Aug 28 19:06:25 on the discussion I now have a nexus one as my phone... So in one way that makes it easier to use the freerunner for testing... Aug 28 19:08:13 :D Aug 28 19:08:24 yeah i had and have a iphone Aug 28 19:08:28 as my phone Aug 28 19:08:37 and freerunner for playin Aug 28 19:09:09 but i dont have much time and 220€ is too much for a device to play with one time per week or sottn Aug 28 19:09:55 agreed, I used it as my phone for a few years so for that it was okay but only s a toy is a bit steep Aug 28 19:10:13 exactly Aug 28 19:25:22 larlin, are you useing your freerunner as daily phone? Aug 28 19:25:33 nope not any more Aug 28 19:25:37 using the nexus one instead Aug 28 19:25:52 but I did until a few weeks ago Aug 28 20:01:13 Serdar2: pong Aug 28 20:02:17 * sybren uses his freerunner as a daily phone Aug 28 20:23:26 hi niels Aug 28 20:23:58 I made a qi.img from the installer with glamo patches from gena2x Aug 28 20:26:34 sybren, can you flash my qi.img and tell me if it is faster after that? Aug 28 20:47:15 Serdar1: faster in what way? screen updates? boot times? Aug 28 20:47:25 and what's the URL of the image? Aug 28 20:47:42 screen updates, because it's the glamo patch Aug 28 20:47:52 ah, interesting Aug 28 20:47:59 http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img Aug 28 20:48:18 right, give me a moment to update Aug 28 20:48:19 is this the qi with improved timings? Aug 28 20:48:21 ran000 tried it with his sd version and it seems looking faster Aug 28 20:48:34 niels_, 2+4+2 Aug 28 20:48:39 cool Aug 28 20:49:04 I don't know if it works well with the installer but flashing should work Aug 28 20:49:19 I've tested it on SHR-U and it is a big improvement Aug 28 20:49:35 but they are also on 2.6.32 which brings better speed to Aug 28 20:49:38 I don't know if this works for us Aug 28 20:50:06 could get us into trouble with screen refreshes Aug 28 20:50:08 we want to switch to .32 too but gena2x says there is no better kernel than .29 now. Aug 28 20:51:09 I am interested in vanilla kernel + openmoko patches + android patches + our patches Aug 28 20:51:16 .32 should not bring more speed Aug 28 20:51:29 gena2x no? Aug 28 20:52:50 about glamo, just make sure you have this patch: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32/0020-mfd-glamo-Enable-FIFO-stage-for-the-LCD-engine-s-mem.patch Aug 28 20:53:11 it should be on andy-tracking, but... Aug 28 20:53:59 niels_: ok, except a bit cryptic mplayer speedups with 2-4-2 (they are smaller for one mplayer and larger for other) Aug 28 20:54:17 but this may be not related to .29/.34/.32 Aug 28 20:54:23 i'm on .34 now Aug 28 20:54:36 and on .29 with qtmoko Aug 28 20:55:08 I only used this patch Aug 28 20:55:20 Serdar1: I'm completely new to Android. Can I replace the qi.img file with adb? or do I need to get the microSD out of my freerunner and use a card reader? Aug 28 20:55:32 niels_: shr got huge boost .29->.32 because this switched off debug in transition Aug 28 20:55:42 you can use adb to flash qi to uboot Aug 28 20:55:47 but android already has no debug Aug 28 20:55:55 gena2x, http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/file/n5316379/qi.diff Aug 28 20:55:57 and qtmoko and debian Aug 28 20:55:57 this one Aug 28 20:56:20 gena2x: I see Aug 28 20:56:24 sybren, but wait Aug 28 20:56:34 * sybren is waiting Aug 28 20:56:48 i also have patch to switch to 100hz from 200hz, it brings 2% here :) Aug 28 20:57:10 gena2: the glamo patch you suggested, can this be applied to our .29 kernel? Aug 28 20:57:12 gena2x, what kind of patch is what you were sending me now? Aug 28 20:57:17 gena2x, kernel patch? Aug 28 20:58:13 sybren, you are useing cupcake right? Aug 28 20:58:48 Serdar1: yep Aug 28 20:59:20 the last weekly I found - I thought it would be a better idea than a daily (those were described as possibly non-functional) Aug 28 20:59:26 Serdar1: i just point you to important change, in kernel Aug 28 20:59:36 gena2x, we got this patch Aug 28 20:59:39 if you have andy-tracking you have it Aug 28 20:59:47 but it is worth checking. Aug 28 21:00:10 nothing more useful here, sorry Aug 28 21:00:13 :) Aug 28 21:00:58 gena2x: I don't believe we have synced with andy-tracking for a while now Aug 28 21:01:34 gena2x, http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/kernel_openmoko/blobs/master/drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-fb.c#line131 Aug 28 21:01:45 it's not line 135 but earlier Aug 28 21:02:02 I guess our kernel is not the same like the andy tracking Aug 28 21:02:13 Serdar1: it's ok, patch i point you is from .32 Aug 28 21:02:26 ah Aug 28 21:02:33 sybren, okay you can try Aug 28 21:02:35 but it's 1-liner Aug 28 21:02:46 and it's easy to find location Aug 28 21:03:09 Serdar1: just "adb push qi.img /sdcard" and reboot? Aug 28 21:03:28 no Aug 28 21:03:40 as I said, I'm a rookie :) Aug 28 21:03:45 you need to restart Aug 28 21:03:57 then Press AUX + Power button Aug 28 21:04:01 you will get in the menu Aug 28 21:04:42 then you need to use following command line (need to look it, moment) Aug 28 21:04:55 dfu-util? Aug 28 21:05:19 use neotool Aug 28 21:05:31 helps you avoiding mistakes Aug 28 21:05:55 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi.img Aug 28 21:06:02 it's a gui on top of dfu-util Aug 28 21:06:51 if there is no speed improvements, we can kill gena2x :D Aug 28 21:06:58 I've used neotool before, but when it comes to exactly knowing what I'm doing I like using the CLI tools ;-) Aug 28 21:07:08 true Aug 28 21:07:30 just a check, qi.img is only 28K right? Aug 28 21:07:38 yes, but it is better to make no mistakes, so use neotool is the correct way :) Aug 28 21:07:59 Serdar1: the new timings in qi will bring speedups Aug 28 21:07:59 I rely on the NOR to rescue me when I have made a mistake :) Aug 28 21:08:18 niels_, for android? Aug 28 21:08:30 I hope that Aug 28 21:08:40 Serdar1; for Linux systems on the FR Aug 28 21:08:46 so that includes AoF Aug 28 21:14:08 rebooting took a little too long for my taste Aug 28 21:14:20 so I forced a shutdown, and I'm booting again now Aug 28 21:15:19 * gena2x wants to be alive and do useful things. no need to kill him :) Aug 28 21:17:04 Serdar1: Where can i find qi.img after completing a build? Aug 28 21:17:31 trying to create tar.gz image for SD installation Aug 28 21:17:43 all is in except qi Aug 28 21:18:18 installer branch Aug 28 21:18:21 brb Aug 28 21:18:48 Serdar1: your qi.img doesn't seem to work Aug 28 21:19:07 Serdar1: after 4-5 minutes waiting for a boot, I still only see the circle-with-two-flashlights image Aug 28 21:20:25 Serdar1: so where can I find qi.img on my filesystem? Aug 28 21:26:36 Serdar1: after reflashing the original cupcake-week-2010-16 qi.img my phone boots again Aug 28 21:51:51 Serdar1: any documentation or guidelines on how to build our qi image? Aug 28 21:56:49 Serdar1: ping Aug 28 22:11:03 Serdar1: are you there? Aug 28 22:12:06 gena2x: still there? Aug 28 22:42:24 hi Aug 28 22:43:51 oh niels_ gone? Aug 28 22:45:55 sybren, the qi didn't work for you? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 29 02:59:57 2010