**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 30 02:59:57 2010
Aug 30 07:22:49 <mvzaanen> Morning.
Aug 30 07:48:03 <sybren> good morning
Aug 30 08:12:04 <tukkonen> hello, does somebody have sdcard version of cupcake (or eclair if such exists) with fix for the issue 139 and apn list from cyanogenmod to share?
Aug 30 08:32:47 <sybren> Serdar2: regarding your question about how I installed cupcake on my freerunner: I unpacked the tar.gz file to microSD and booted from that
Aug 30 09:09:01 <Serdar2> you used the installer
Aug 30 09:10:11 <sybren> not knowingly, unless the tarball contained it and it automatically ran on boot
Aug 30 09:10:56 <Serdar2> this is our installer
Aug 30 09:11:09 <Serdar2> it's flashing qi, kernel and system on your nand
Aug 30 09:18:03 <gnustavo> morning, how can I increase the incomming volume on my neo?
Aug 30 09:20:23 <sybren> Serdar2: ah, ok. Am I correct in thinking that I could have done the same with dfu-util myself?
Aug 30 09:23:05 <Serdar2> my idea isyes
Aug 30 09:23:12 <Serdar2> sybren, yes
Aug 30 10:42:13 <sybren> Serdar2: what is the recommended method for upgrading to a newer version? Backup my settings, perform an install as I did before, and restore the settings?
Aug 30 10:48:52 <sybren> or can I use dfu-util for upgrading too? That has my preference, as that way I won't have to take apart my phone to get at the SD card
Aug 30 14:52:49 <Serdar2> sybren, there is no existing upgrade emthod before eclair.
Aug 30 16:51:40 <sybren> Serdar2: ok, that's clear then :)
Aug 30 17:51:54 <Serdar2> hi jancona
Aug 30 17:52:31 <gena2x> Serdar2: hey, so, is 2-4-2 is working ok?
Aug 30 17:52:35 <Serdar2> jancona, did you read the mail from alexandre?
Aug 30 17:52:55 <Serdar2> gena2x, no idea, it seems, that it does not work for sybren because he can't flash
Aug 30 17:53:05 <Serdar2> is it normal, that qi is 28kb large?
Aug 30 17:53:09 <gena2x> hm... any logs?
Aug 30 17:53:18 <gena2x> btw, i've found non-android qi
Aug 30 17:53:18 <Serdar2> he can't flash
Aug 30 17:53:23 <gena2x> with 2-4-2
Aug 30 17:53:30 <Serdar2> I made one
Aug 30 17:53:37 <Serdar2> with 2-4-2
Aug 30 17:53:47 <Serdar2> I took the installer qi
Aug 30 17:53:48 <gena2x> i mean it is found by people in community lisy
Aug 30 17:53:54 <Serdar2> and changed with your patch
Aug 30 17:53:55 <gena2x> any logs
Aug 30 17:54:03 <gena2x> what's happening?
Aug 30 17:54:14 <Serdar2> it compiled and build well
Aug 30 17:54:22 <gena2x> i can only guess sd card access
Aug 30 17:54:29 <gena2x> may be need some more delay
Aug 30 17:54:44 <gena2x> i had to set more rootdelay on boot with 2-4-2
Aug 30 17:54:58 <gena2x> as 2-4-2 also affects sd r/w speed a bit
Aug 30 17:55:32 <gena2x> but need to see what is happening during boot to see why it is not working
Aug 30 17:55:57 <Serdar2> http://codepad.org/62txneOL
Aug 30 17:56:07 <Serdar2> sybren, ping?
Aug 30 17:56:47 <rooly> might i pose a question to the viability of the froyo builds in your repository, Serdar2?
Aug 30 17:57:12 <gena2x> Serdar2: change itself look fine
Aug 30 17:57:34 <gena2x> but where is kernel boot log? :)
Aug 30 17:58:15 <gena2x> or problem happening before booting kernel?
Aug 30 17:58:37 <Serdar2> if i understand it correctly it is before booting kernel
Aug 30 17:58:48 <Serdar2> where's sybren if you need him?
Aug 30 17:58:57 <Serdar2> rooly, what's your question?
Aug 30 17:59:21 <rooly> well, what are the plans concerning froyo really
Aug 30 17:59:24 <Serdar2> this is not my repository this is the community repository but I am building them
Aug 30 17:59:39 <Serdar2> we want to get it stable
Aug 30 17:59:43 <Serdar2> as much as cupcake
Aug 30 17:59:55 <rooly> i installed the 8/14 build
Aug 30 18:00:12 <rooly> seems the compositing needs to be turned off
Aug 30 18:00:19 <Serdar2> please _try_ to disable animation
Aug 30 18:00:26 <rooly> ha, yeah
Aug 30 18:00:41 <Serdar2> and try my new qi
Aug 30 18:00:51 <Serdar2> http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img
Aug 30 18:01:01 <Serdar2> and tell us if this is working better than before
Aug 30 18:01:04 <rooly> is it more than just android compatible?
Aug 30 18:01:10 <Serdar2> also gena2x is interested in that
Aug 30 18:01:39 <Serdar2> rooly, it got the glamo patch in it
Aug 30 18:01:44 <rooly> ahh, okay
Aug 30 18:01:56 <rooly> this sucks, i only just installed shr and got it up and running
Aug 30 18:01:57 <Serdar2> so it should be faster than before
Aug 30 18:02:23 <Serdar2> if you want a stable android try my last cupcake build
Aug 30 18:02:30 <rooly> i did
Aug 30 18:02:31 <Serdar2> with the new qi
Aug 30 18:02:36 <rooly> oh, new qi
Aug 30 18:02:37 <rooly> hmm
Aug 30 18:02:42 <Serdar2> it must be faster than before
Aug 30 18:02:46 <rooly> well there's still the power issue
Aug 30 18:02:50 <Serdar2> but froyo is as bad as hell now
Aug 30 18:02:55 <rooly> and the no syncing issue
Aug 30 18:03:08 <Serdar2> we welcoming any patches :)
Aug 30 18:03:40 <rooly> i know, but i can't manage to build android in the first place
Aug 30 18:03:50 <rooly> been trying on and off for months
Aug 30 18:05:07 <rooly> what's the command for backup with dfu? -R -U <filename.img>?
Aug 30 18:06:20 <rooly> err
Aug 30 18:06:35 <rooly> apparently ubuntu repo dfu-util says upload is broken
Aug 30 18:09:12 <rooly> Serdar2, is 8/14 the latest froyo build?
Aug 30 18:27:49 <rooly> Serdar2, i'm getting a bunch of error messages
Aug 30 18:38:56 <Serdar2> nope the latest froyo is from 8/21
Aug 30 18:39:54 <Serdar2> you can't backup with dfu-utils
Aug 30 18:43:47 <rooly> Serdar2, hmm, did you build qi for 1973 or freerunner
Aug 30 18:48:22 <rooly> Serdar2, could you give me a link to the latest froyo build? it's not on the repo
Aug 30 18:55:04 <Serdar2> openmoko neo freerunner
Aug 30 18:55:11 <Serdar2> repo?
Aug 30 18:55:54 <Serdar2> oh 14th is the latest, 21 is for cupcake
Aug 30 18:56:02 <rooly> serdar-dere.net/~serdar/
Aug 30 18:56:05 <rooly> either way
Aug 30 18:56:15 <rooly> okay, quick fix for usage: rotate the phone
Aug 30 18:56:21 <rooly> it redraws the screen on rotate
Aug 30 18:56:23 <rooly> makes it easy
Aug 30 18:56:35 <rooly> at least, once you make it to settings
Aug 30 18:56:42 <Serdar2> oh wait
Aug 30 18:56:48 <Serdar2> jancona, ping?
Aug 30 18:57:30 <rooly> apps run pretty fast otherwise
Aug 30 18:57:41 <rooly> at least, compared to back when kernel trapping was being used
Aug 30 18:58:13 <Serdar2> what do you mean?
Aug 30 18:58:23 <rooly> way back in the early koolu days
Aug 30 18:58:32 <rooly> i bought it with android pre-installed
Aug 30 18:58:37 <rooly> barely useable
Aug 30 18:58:49 <Serdar2> I see
Aug 30 18:59:20 <rooly> trying out pim apps right now
Aug 30 18:59:26 <rooly> (this is 8/14 btw)
Aug 30 19:00:46 <rooly> main sound works
Aug 30 19:03:26 <Serdar2> jancona, you created a new froyo branch?
Aug 30 19:04:23 <rooly> looks like wifi is having trouble
Aug 30 19:04:58 <Serdar2> with froyo?
Aug 30 19:05:01 <rooly> yeah
Aug 30 19:05:03 <rooly> can't scan
Aug 30 19:05:04 <Serdar2> froyo sucks like hell atm
Aug 30 19:05:08 <rooly> i'll try a little bit later
Aug 30 19:05:12 <rooly> happens in cupcake too
Aug 30 19:05:15 <Serdar2> nothing works
Aug 30 19:05:23 <Serdar2> wifi works with cupcake
Aug 30 19:05:34 <rooly> cupcake has trouble scanning sometimes tho
Aug 30 19:05:40 <rooly> that's what i'm saying so i'll try wifi later
Aug 30 19:07:01 <rooly> okay, keyboard requires manual set
Aug 30 19:07:08 <rooly> it defaults to korean or whatever
Aug 30 19:17:08 <rooly> Serdar2, any luck on that link?
Aug 30 19:17:26 <Serdar2> which link?
Aug 30 19:17:30 <rooly> to 8/21
Aug 30 19:17:33 <rooly> froyo
Aug 30 19:17:40 <Serdar2> I didn't build
Aug 30 19:17:51 <rooly> ahh, okay
Aug 30 19:17:53 <Serdar2> I build cupcake on 8/21
Aug 30 19:17:57 <Serdar2> but not froyo
Aug 30 19:18:02 <rooly> 's no problem
Aug 30 19:18:10 <rooly> okay, here's the rundown of the phone
Aug 30 19:18:13 <rooly> home screen: slow
Aug 30 19:18:18 <rooly> pim, not apparently working
Aug 30 19:18:23 <rooly> gsm: untestable
Aug 30 19:18:28 <rooly> gprs, not apparently working
Aug 30 19:18:45 <rooly> power: all devices cycle properly, interface drivers not apparently working
Aug 30 19:19:07 <rooly> phone works quite fast for bleeding
Aug 30 19:19:36 <rooly> to ease turning off animation, rotate the phone between each press, forcing it to redraw the screen
Aug 30 19:19:42 <rooly> after that, everything runs much faster
Aug 30 19:19:51 <rooly> and i'm not even sure i'm running your latest qi
Aug 30 19:20:12 <Serdar2> can you make a logcat?
Aug 30 19:20:17 <rooly> how might i do that
Aug 30 19:21:50 <Serdar2> with adb
Aug 30 19:21:54 <Serdar2> do you have adb?
Aug 30 19:22:01 <rooly> installing
Aug 30 19:22:13 <rooly> not sure how well it'll work on amd64 tho
Aug 30 19:22:32 <Serdar2> think so it's a google app.
Aug 30 19:22:40 <Serdar2> you need the sdk for 64 Bit
Aug 30 19:23:22 <rooly> adb seems to be working
Aug 30 19:23:33 <rooly> okay, now can you walk me thru connecting to adb real quick?
Aug 30 19:23:44 <Serdar2> ADBHOST="192.168.0.200" adb logcat
Aug 30 19:24:02 <Serdar2> ahh
Aug 30 19:24:06 <rooly> do i need to set my machine's usb?
Aug 30 19:24:42 <Serdar2> yes, connect it and try
Aug 30 19:24:50 <Serdar2> it should work
Aug 30 19:25:00 <Serdar2> or wait
Aug 30 19:25:16 <Serdar2> you need to set your host ip to 200 and adbhost to 202
Aug 30 19:25:16 <rooly> i have usb debugging turned on
Aug 30 19:25:58 <rooly> okay, i got output
Aug 30 19:26:01 <rooly> now what
Aug 30 19:26:50 <Serdar2> sudo ifconfig ethX 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Aug 30 19:27:06 <rooly> no, i got output from adb, that's all done
Aug 30 19:27:50 <Serdar2> post it to http://codepad.org/
Aug 30 19:28:15 <Serdar2> if you can from the beginning
Aug 30 19:29:42 <rooly> posting
Aug 30 19:29:49 <rooly> http://codepad.org/kg6gSM10
Aug 30 19:32:15 <rooly> btw, just tried to send an sms
Aug 30 19:32:19 <rooly> and it dun wurk
Aug 30 19:35:27 <rooly> err, Serdar2, the calculator is pretty significan't borked
Aug 30 19:43:35 <rooly> phone does not recognize sdcard
Aug 30 19:44:10 <rooly> mic doesn't work
Aug 30 20:14:14 <Serdar2> there are many errors
Aug 30 20:20:17 <rooly> quite
Aug 30 20:50:54 <ecraven> Serdar2: where's your image? i'd like to try it :)
Aug 30 20:55:58 <ecraven> ok, found it, booting now
Aug 30 21:01:34 <Serdar2> ecraven, which image? qi?
Aug 30 21:01:53 <ecraven> full android. i got your daily build from the 26th
Aug 30 21:01:58 <ecraven> does that contain the newest qi?
Aug 30 21:02:15 <ecraven> i just put it all on my sd card, and booted from there (from nand)
Aug 30 21:02:29 <Serdar2> no one contain the newest qi, I need people to tell me that works fine
Aug 30 21:02:43 <rooly> it was giving me trouble, Serdar2
Aug 30 21:02:54 <Serdar2> if 5 people says me it works nice than it's okay
Aug 30 21:03:01 <Serdar2> hm
Aug 30 21:03:01 <rooly> some error message about 2440 chipset but it went away to fast to read
Aug 30 21:03:02 <ecraven> ok. i'm seeing the aof android face now, i never got farther than this step.. let's hope it works :)
Aug 30 21:03:43 <Serdar2> ecraven, ? what are you trying? the latest cupcake or my qi?
Aug 30 21:03:46 <Serdar2> or froyo?
Aug 30 21:04:05 <ecraven> that one: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100826.tar.bz2
Aug 30 21:04:09 <ecraven> what should i try?
Aug 30 21:05:37 <Serdar2> are ypu useing the installer?
Aug 30 21:05:46 <Serdar2> you
Aug 30 21:05:57 <ecraven> i just put the files on the sd card. how do i use the installer?
Aug 30 21:06:26 <Serdar2> please download that and unpack it on sd but replace the qi.img with http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img
Aug 30 21:06:37 <Serdar2> and than install it via boot from sd
Aug 30 21:08:10 <ecraven> ok, rebooting now
Aug 30 21:08:14 <ecraven> found installation files...
Aug 30 21:08:18 <ecraven> installed qi rebooting
Aug 30 21:09:38 <ecraven> seems to loop on installing Qi
Aug 30 21:09:42 <ecraven> doing it for the 3rd time now
Aug 30 21:09:56 <rooly> just let it go one more time
Aug 30 21:10:11 <rooly> ecraven, do you plan on using email?
Aug 30 21:10:32 <ecraven> not sure :) until now, i could never get it to work for anything properly :(
Aug 30 21:10:50 <rooly> well if you do use email, use mokomail, not the built in
Aug 30 21:11:07 <rooly> for some reason the built in causes the device to seize up eventually
Aug 30 21:11:55 <ecraven> hm.. right now, my problem is it only installs Qi (6th time now)
Aug 30 21:12:02 <ecraven> Serdar2: seems to be a problem with the installer?
Aug 30 21:12:57 <Serdar2> wait
Aug 30 21:18:02 <Serdar2> ecraven, try this one: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img
Aug 30 21:22:14 <ecraven> hm.. how should i format the sd exactly? i now have p1: 1.5gb fat32  p2: 1.5gb ext3
Aug 30 21:23:48 <Serdar2> it's okay
Aug 30 21:24:02 <ecraven> doesn't work though.. nand says wrong file format
Aug 30 21:24:28 <Serdar2> huh?
Aug 30 21:25:26 <ecraven> hm.. first time it doesn't work, second time it does.. strange
Aug 30 21:25:33 <ecraven> maybe my sdcard is broken somehow or not supported
Aug 30 21:25:45 <Serdar2> hmm
Aug 30 21:25:53 <Serdar2> do you got your usb cable?
Aug 30 21:26:23 <ecraven> yes
Aug 30 21:26:38 <Serdar2> please use dfu-util and try my qi.img
Aug 30 21:26:42 <ecraven> should i try flashing with dfu-util?
Aug 30 21:26:43 <Serdar2> or better nettool
Aug 30 21:28:16 <ecraven> where is nettool? arch linux doesn't seem to have a pkgbuild
Aug 30 21:31:13 <rooly> neotool i think he means
Aug 30 21:35:09 <ecraven> hm.. my dfu-util can't find the freerunner.. this used to work fine a few months ago :(
Aug 30 21:35:28 <rooly> -d 0x15d0:0x5119 (iirc)
Aug 30 21:35:35 <ecraven> -l doesn't show that
Aug 30 21:39:15 <Serdar2> there is information on the wiki
Aug 30 21:40:01 <ecraven> trying a different sd card now
Aug 30 21:45:38 <ecraven> ok, with your new qi, i get an endless boot loop
Aug 30 21:45:52 <ecraven> with your image of the 26th, i see the aof android face
Aug 30 21:46:10 <ecraven> i'll wait for some time now.. normally all installations from SD card hung at this step
Aug 30 21:47:38 <rooly> ecraven, have you tried rebooting when you get the android face?
Aug 30 21:47:51 <ecraven> yes. i'll try that in a few minutes
Aug 30 21:48:04 <ecraven> how long should that stay, normally?
Aug 30 21:48:18 <rooly> hmm, normal boot, about 10-20 seconds at longest i'd say
Aug 30 21:48:28 <rooly> not entirely sure, but not too long
Aug 30 21:48:31 <ecraven> more than 2 minutes, according to chat log :)
Aug 30 21:48:39 <rooly> lol
Aug 30 21:49:05 <rooly> openmoko os's are like windows
Aug 30 21:49:07 <ecraven> the only android that ever worked on my freerunner were ran's modified sd images that *didn't* install to flash
Aug 30 21:49:09 <rooly> when in doubt, reboot
Aug 30 21:50:14 <rooly> grr
Aug 30 21:50:26 <rooly> so i had to go modify the qtmoko build from source instructions
Aug 30 21:50:33 <rooly> had sh where bash was required...
Aug 30 21:59:34 <ecraven> giving up for today, thanks for the tips :)
Aug 30 22:00:17 <ecraven> do i need two partitions?
Aug 30 22:00:23 <rooly> not really
Aug 30 22:00:28 <rooly> just a vfat
Aug 30 22:00:33 <ecraven> ok, that's what i have
Aug 30 22:01:28 <ecraven> ah, a bit frustrating.. android face again, i'll leave it on and check in 10 minutes
Aug 30 22:01:58 <rooly> kk
Aug 30 22:02:08 <ecraven> thanks again, good night!
Aug 30 22:14:48 <ecraven> ok, no luck, after rebooting, same android face, doesn't go away even after 10 minutes
Aug 30 22:14:51 <ecraven> good night
Aug 30 22:14:58 <rooly> nn
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