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Aug 31 07:18:12 <mvzaanen> Morning.
Aug 31 07:22:01 <Serdar> morning
Aug 31 07:45:55 <tukkonen> Morning, I have succesfully booted froyo (Ran's experimental SD-based version) with 2-4-2 modified qi.img
Aug 31 07:46:46 <Serdar> is this my modified qi?
Aug 31 07:47:01 <tukkonen> but failed to boot with the latest daily cupcake (NAND -version)
Aug 31 07:47:05 <tukkonen> yes it is
Aug 31 07:47:12 <Serdar> hm
Aug 31 07:47:34 <tukkonen> I can't get logfile for some reason
Aug 31 07:47:41 <Serdar> this is strange
Aug 31 07:47:55 <tukkonen> adb is waiting for the device
Aug 31 07:48:19 <tukkonen> I also managed to boot SD-based cupcake
Aug 31 07:48:58 <Serdar> and you were be able to flash nand based cupcake with installer with the old qi?
Aug 31 07:49:19 <Serdar> without replaceing I mean
Aug 31 07:49:43 <tukkonen> I can boot SD-based versions with overclocked qi too
Aug 31 07:50:20 <tukkonen> no, I flashed your qi.img with dfu-util afterwards
Aug 31 07:50:26 <Serdar> I was thinking about overclocking too, but this is too much experimental for us
Aug 31 07:50:43 <Serdar> and this works for you?
Aug 31 07:50:56 <Serdar> flashing qi after flashing android?
Aug 31 07:52:18 <tukkonen> yes, I flashed qi after flashing android and then booted SD-based version succesfully
Aug 31 07:52:50 <tukkonen> but can't boot my old cupcake from nand
Aug 31 07:53:12 <Serdar> this is really strange
Aug 31 07:55:20 <tukkonen> I can flash the old qi.img back with dfu-util and then I can boot the original cupcake again from nand
Aug 31 07:55:38 <Serdar> hmm
Aug 31 07:58:27 <tukkonen> I'd like to test SD-based cupcake or eclair with the latest fixes if someone has managed to make such
Aug 31 07:58:37 <ecraven> tukkonen: where can i find the images for froyo? install from sd doesn't work for me
Aug 31 07:58:38 <tukkonen> froyo is too unstable
Aug 31 07:59:18 <Serdar> ecraven: the old qi does not work for you?
Aug 31 07:59:20 <tukkonen> I downloaded it from google groups discussions: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/635e7debf0598a84
Aug 31 07:59:29 <ecraven> Serdar: nope, but then installing via sd *never* worked for me
Aug 31 07:59:37 <ecraven> the only aof that ever worked was ran's SD version
Aug 31 07:59:41 <Serdar> why?
Aug 31 07:59:45 <ecraven> i don't know
Aug 31 07:59:49 <tukkonen> just extract the content to sd card and boot
Aug 31 07:59:52 <ecraven> it always hangs at the aof android face
Aug 31 07:59:52 <Serdar> which revision?
Aug 31 08:00:05 <Serdar> your hardware
Aug 31 08:00:09 <tukkonen> I used ext3 partition
Aug 31 08:00:18 <Serdar> <A5?
Aug 31 08:00:20 <ecraven> one of the earliest freerunner, i'll have to check at home
Aug 31 08:00:28 <tukkonen> I have A7
Aug 31 08:00:49 <Serdar> the installer should work fine with A7
Aug 31 08:00:57 <ecraven> doesn't it work with <A5?
Aug 31 08:00:58 <Serdar> because I have a A6 and it works fine
Aug 31 08:02:03 <Serdar> I guess you need the latest gsm firmware
Aug 31 08:02:32 <Serdar> it must be moko11
Aug 31 08:12:57 <ecraven> i think i installed that long ago
Aug 31 08:13:09 <ecraven> don't have the freerunner here with me at work
Aug 31 08:13:23 <Serdar> same here
Aug 31 08:13:30 <ecraven> i'll bring it tomorrow ;)
Aug 31 08:14:06 <Serdar> I am here at my works place and trying to get a headache
Aug 31 08:14:35 <ecraven> ;) i already have one, c++ programming mixed with c#, also trying to talk to java webservices
Aug 31 08:15:12 <Serdar> sounds easy
Aug 31 08:15:17 <Serdar> I am coding in C
Aug 31 08:15:38 <Serdar> I am a computer sientist not a programmer :(
Aug 31 08:15:52 <Serdar> I can't think in C but
Aug 31 08:15:55 <Serdar> write in C
Aug 31 08:15:57 <Serdar> write in C
Aug 31 08:16:03 <Serdar> write in C oh write in C
Aug 31 08:16:05 <ecraven> i've come to dislike c++
Aug 31 08:17:31 <Serdar> I would love to program in C++
Aug 31 08:17:47 <ecraven> ;) i'd suggest some language that has garbage collection
Aug 31 08:18:15 <Serdar> try German
Aug 31 08:19:56 <Serdar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHosLhPEN3k
Aug 31 08:25:10 <ecraven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-OjTPj7K54
Aug 31 08:25:16 <ecraven> my suggestion ;)
Aug 31 08:25:43 <Serdar> functional?
Aug 31 08:25:44 <Serdar> uh
Aug 31 08:25:48 <Serdar> I used haskell
Aug 31 08:25:51 <Serdar> I hate it
Aug 31 08:26:04 <ecraven> no, lisp isn't purely functional ;) lisp is whatever you want it to be
Aug 31 09:08:02 <ran000> Hello
Aug 31 09:08:57 <ran000> to tukkonen: Which SD-based image of froyo you test?
Aug 31 09:26:23 <Serdar> [09:57] <tukkonen> I downloaded it from google groups discussions: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner/browse_thread/thread/635e7debf0598a84
Aug 31 09:26:36 <Serdar> hi ran000
Aug 31 09:27:27 <ran000> Hi Serdar
Aug 31 09:28:43 <ran000> to tukkonen: Could you do me a faver. Please, look at logcat and see - does acore process restart constantly?
Aug 31 09:29:33 <ran000> to Serdar: I have not restore my instrumental system yet.
Aug 31 09:29:50 <ran000> So no news.
Aug 31 09:35:14 <tukkonen> I can't get logfile but I can see on freerunner that acore restarts alot
Aug 31 09:38:21 <Serdar> that's a main problem of froyo
Aug 31 09:40:06 <ran000> my expirience that at image you have downloaded acore restart some times and than work ok.  So, please, check it carefully by logcat to be sure.
Aug 31 09:40:59 <ran000> May be it happend after some rebooting.
Aug 31 09:41:44 <ran000> I would like to get more information before I restore my instrumental system.
Aug 31 09:42:54 <Serdar> ran000: btw. why are you useing sd based froyo?
Aug 31 09:43:42 <Serdar> ran000: instrumental? you mean experimental right? or do you want to make music?
Aug 31 09:43:59 <ran000> SD-based systems allow me to switch from one to anather
Aug 31 09:45:23 <ran000> may I use wrong term  - instrumental is a system I use to build AoF from local repository.
Aug 31 09:46:37 <Serdar> I would prefer flashing the system and install apps to sd
Aug 31 09:46:52 <Serdar> froyo allows installing aps on sd iirc
Aug 31 09:49:00 <ran000> To flash you need have time and instrumental PC.    To change SD card I do not need nathing.
Aug 31 09:49:55 <ran000> Any time, any place I able to work with any system.
Aug 31 09:53:37 <Serdar> for sd card you also need pc you need to put your files on the sd
Aug 31 09:53:46 <Serdar> to flash you need to put the files on the sd
Aug 31 09:53:58 <Serdar> there is no difference, because of the installer
Aug 31 09:56:44 <ran000> I need to put files to SD in my case only once. And than I able to change from system to sytem without losing a stage.    SD with installer has only initial stage of system ( it could not use second time , beetwen)
Aug 31 09:57:16 <ran000> And I could not change system without reflashing.
Aug 31 09:58:06 <ran000> Sorry, I have to do break.
Aug 31 10:12:06 <Serdar> why?
Aug 31 10:12:25 <Serdar> you can use the other distributions with sd but flash android :)
Aug 31 10:31:25 <TomaszD> Serdar, I bought an HTC Desire :P
Aug 31 10:32:02 <Serdar> me too
Aug 31 10:32:08 <TomaszD> heh :)
Aug 31 10:32:19 <Serdar> but I WANT FROYO!!!
Aug 31 10:32:27 <Serdar> no update for my branding :/
Aug 31 10:32:56 <TomaszD> Serdar, I bought the Desire yesterday and after an hour I rooted it and installed cyanogenmod 6.0
Aug 31 10:32:59 <TomaszD> which is froyo
Aug 31 10:33:20 <Serdar> I will loose my varrianty if I do that :/
Aug 31 10:33:26 <TomaszD> works great, I have 720p recording, animated wallpapers, etc
Aug 31 10:33:31 <TomaszD> warranty, heh
Aug 31 10:33:41 <Serdar> err yeah warranty
Aug 31 10:33:51 <Serdar> my english is not that good :)
Aug 31 10:34:14 <TomaszD> no, I didn't mean to laugh at "varrianty", I kind of laughed at the fact that you care about the warranty
Aug 31 10:34:39 <Serdar> hm
Aug 31 10:34:59 <Serdar> you need debranding for rooting right?
Aug 31 10:35:17 <Serdar> do you have a nice tutorial for me?
Aug 31 10:35:19 <TomaszD> just google "unrevoked"
Aug 31 10:35:32 <TomaszD> you run unrevoked, plug the phone via usb
Aug 31 10:35:37 <TomaszD> it does everything for you
Aug 31 10:35:47 <Serdar> what is unrevoke?
Aug 31 10:36:22 <TomaszD> a rooting program that installs a recovery console which allows to do many things, like uploading cyanogenmod firmware :)
Aug 31 10:36:43 <Serdar> hmm
Aug 31 10:36:44 <TomaszD> http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/5385-rom-cyanogenmod-6-for-desire-v600-08282010/
Aug 31 10:36:47 <Serdar> I see
Aug 31 10:36:53 <TomaszD> this is what I used as a tutorial
Aug 31 10:36:55 <TomaszD> the rest I googled
Aug 31 10:36:57 <Serdar> can I also make a backup with that?
Aug 31 10:37:07 <TomaszD> yes, it does a full nand backup to sd
Aug 31 10:37:14 <Serdar> I mean reflash the old one and stuff?
Aug 31 10:37:20 <TomaszD> of course...
Aug 31 10:37:26 <Serdar> that's nice
Aug 31 10:37:44 <Serdar> send me that link tonight again please
Aug 31 10:37:53 <Serdar> I hope this works with MacOSX
Aug 31 10:38:01 <TomaszD> you run unrevoked, then backup nand to sd, then wipe user settings, then install cyanogenmod, the network fix, the google apps, and reboot :)
Aug 31 10:38:05 <TomaszD> very easy
Aug 31 10:38:13 <TomaszD> unrevoked is multiplatform
Aug 31 10:38:18 <TomaszD> it did work fine on ubuntu amd64
Aug 31 10:38:21 <Serdar> java?
Aug 31 10:38:29 <TomaszD> not sure, it was a self-contained binary
Aug 31 10:38:36 <TomaszD> looked native
Aug 31 10:39:27 <TomaszD> you also need to know how to enter the recovery console, you hold the minus button and power at the same time
Aug 31 10:39:40 <TomaszD> I'll be back later
Aug 31 11:11:58 <Serdar> TomaszD: it says 1. root your device. I need root it before use that or do I understand it wrong?
Aug 31 11:35:31 <TomaszD> Serdar, yes you need to run the "unrevoked" rooting program
Aug 31 11:35:45 <TomaszD> you get a recovery menu with it and root
Aug 31 11:35:58 <Serdar> how's the battery after rooting?
Aug 31 11:36:14 <Serdar> or didn't you try your desire before rooting?
Aug 31 11:36:14 <TomaszD> I've no idea Serdar, I had the phone for less than 24 hours
Aug 31 11:36:25 <Serdar> okay
Aug 31 11:36:50 <Serdar> and you don't have this htc stuff anymore?
Aug 31 11:37:01 <Serdar> facebook app and shit?
Aug 31 11:37:48 <TomaszD> Serdar, cyanogenmod is clean opensource 2.2 android with additional apps, and then you install gapps separately
Aug 31 11:38:08 <TomaszD> no htc sense
Aug 31 11:38:20 <Serdar> why do I need to install gapps?
Aug 31 11:38:33 <TomaszD> because you want google apps
Aug 31 11:38:37 <TomaszD> like market
Aug 31 11:38:38 <TomaszD> :)
Aug 31 11:38:44 <Serdar> okay market
Aug 31 11:38:56 <Serdar> but there is pitdroid
Aug 31 11:39:09 <Serdar> I mean androidpid
Aug 31 11:39:25 <TomaszD> hm?
Aug 31 11:39:49 <Serdar> http://www.androidpit.de/
Aug 31 11:40:14 <Serdar> for you .com
Aug 31 11:40:20 <TomaszD> oh come on
Aug 31 11:40:26 <TomaszD> you know the market is better
Aug 31 11:40:51 <TomaszD> besides, gapps contains not only the market, but all the other google apps, like gmail, maps, voice, talk, etc.
Aug 31 11:40:52 <Serdar> I don't know I were useing the freerunner before and there was no market app
Aug 31 11:41:27 <TomaszD> well if you want to run bare android without google apps, you are free to do so
Aug 31 11:42:28 <Serdar> yeah
Aug 31 11:43:56 <TomaszD> Serdar, any recommended apps for a newbie?
Aug 31 11:44:31 <Serdar> yes
Aug 31 11:44:41 <Serdar> Android System info
Aug 31 11:44:53 <Serdar> nice app but not needed that much
Aug 31 11:45:16 <Serdar> Android Advanced Task Cleaner
Aug 31 11:49:16 <Serdar> wikidroyd is also nice to have
Aug 31 11:49:56 <Serdar> and Maps (-) <-- mention the (-) not Google Maps
Aug 31 11:50:08 <Serdar> it uses also osm cards and can cache
Aug 31 11:50:24 <Serdar> it does not work for me somehow
Aug 31 11:52:12 <TomaszD> thx
Aug 31 11:52:55 <Serdar> I am thinking of buying motonav
Aug 31 11:53:04 <Serdar> or Navigon
Aug 31 11:53:16 <Serdar> Navigon is pretty nice piece of software
Aug 31 11:53:25 <Serdar> try the 30 days trial
Aug 31 11:53:47 <Serdar> but it needs internet for start, no idea why
Aug 31 13:42:20 <sanvy> hi all
Aug 31 14:13:30 <Serdar> hi sanvy
Aug 31 14:13:38 <sanvy> hi Serdar :D
Aug 31 14:14:06 <sanvy> i've just seen about Froyo on freerunner :P
Aug 31 14:14:14 <sanvy> really a great news :P
Aug 31 14:14:26 <sanvy> but what is the progress, at the moment?
Aug 31 14:14:38 <Serdar> freaking acore
Aug 31 14:19:31 <sanvy> oh
Aug 31 19:52:09 <sanvy> hi all
Aug 31 21:45:15 <Serdar2> hi
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