**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010 Sep 04 08:51:27 Serdar: Which daily build of Cupcake shall I try? Sep 04 08:52:58 hm Sep 04 08:53:24 I need to talk with jancona first Sep 04 08:53:27 jancona, ping? Sep 04 08:54:43 but he never unswers Sep 04 09:06:50 :'( Sep 04 09:07:06 sybren, where do you live? Sep 04 09:07:14 Amsterdam, The Netherlands Sep 04 09:07:22 nice Sep 04 09:07:28 it sure is :) Sep 04 09:07:32 where do you live? Sep 04 09:07:47 I am thinking to organise a devroom at FOSDEM11 Sep 04 09:07:52 in Brüssel Sep 04 09:08:02 I live in Düsseldorf, Germany Sep 04 09:08:20 then we're quite close, on a global scale that is :) Sep 04 09:08:25 so peaple near Brüssel got it easy Sep 04 09:11:24 people Sep 04 09:11:53 :) Sep 04 09:13:32 I guess Niels will come too, because he lives in Belgia Sep 04 09:14:41 hi all Sep 04 09:14:52 hi sanvy Sep 04 09:14:59 hi sybren Sep 04 09:16:36 i was not succesfull in calendar syncing Sep 04 09:17:08 i think he sync once a day Sep 04 09:18:53 so the syncing works, but not often enough? Sep 04 09:23:22 yes Sep 04 09:23:54 the calendar doesn't update when i work on google calendar by firefox Sep 04 09:24:06 (i'm talking about cupcake 20100130) Sep 04 09:24:15 for gmail & contacts, no problem Sep 04 09:26:43 strange Sep 04 09:27:57 yes Sep 04 09:28:58 I'm still quite an Android-newbie, so unfortunately I can't help you Sep 04 09:29:31 I wouldn't even know how to sync my contacts with google Sep 04 09:31:18 mmm there was a guide... wait Sep 04 09:36:24 i found this guide http://wiki.telefoninux.org/doku.php?id=guida:mettere_market_e_sync_su_android but it is italian, i don't know if you are able to read it Sep 04 09:37:07 otherwise, if you had time, i'll stop working at about 12.30 Sep 04 09:37:19 and i'll be able to help you Sep 04 09:37:52 thanks, because my Italian is probably as good as your Dutch ;-) Sep 04 09:38:45 lol Sep 04 09:42:00 I had an idea tomorrow morning: If we teach u-boot the position of the userdata-partition we could back it up via dfu and then flash it back using the sdcard-installer OR flash a new daily build etc directly to the system partition keeping the userdata for an easy upgrade. Sep 04 09:42:53 okay Sep 04 09:43:31 I created a new qi with the changed from sebkuemmel Sep 04 09:43:52 please try it, it will replace the old qi of the installer Sep 04 09:44:32 http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/qi.img Sep 04 09:44:48 brb Sep 04 09:48:44 fntc, please, can you explain? Sep 04 10:06:56 Serdar, what is the change of sebkuemmel? Sep 04 10:09:21 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=11&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Owner%20Summary%20BuildVersion%20AndroidVersion%20Component#c9 Sep 04 10:10:30 thanks fntc Sep 04 10:13:14 so, please, help me to understand... he's sayng that when I flash android the installer change the partition table on the nand flash? Sep 04 10:28:20 yes Sep 04 10:28:42 it splits the rootfs-partition into 2 small partitions Sep 04 10:29:11 one for the read-only android system files and one for your data like config settings Sep 04 10:30:47 :| Sep 04 10:31:10 and how can I remake the original partition table? :O Sep 04 10:34:45 its not that much a partition table Sep 04 10:35:30 more like the bootloader (qi, u-boot) tells the kernel which partitions are on the freerunner (or should be) via boot-commandline Sep 04 10:37:59 no i can't understand, sorry Sep 04 10:43:38 so... in the rootfs there are two images that are mounted on boot? Sep 04 10:43:47 such as two virtual devices? Sep 04 10:59:24 kind of Sep 04 11:01:21 aaah Sep 04 11:01:22 ok Sep 04 11:01:23 ;) Sep 04 11:01:41 so what is the improvement of that qi? faster boot? Sep 04 11:08:25 that and u-boot wont boot aof without patches Sep 04 11:08:52 oh Sep 04 11:08:57 i didn't know Sep 04 11:09:28 ok so if i flash that qi patched, i have android+2-4-2? Sep 04 11:17:34 my version? it is 2-4-2 patched yes Sep 04 11:17:54 ok thanks Sep 04 11:17:56 well Sep 04 11:17:59 sybren, ping Sep 04 11:20:16 hm u-boot uses the dynparts to get the partitions from freerunner, so now way to overwrite the mtdparts variable for a simple backup Sep 04 11:20:49 did anyone ever use the u-boot nand read command? Sep 04 11:20:55 to do a backup Sep 04 11:32:18 fntc, no sorry Sep 04 11:32:41 but i remember that it has a but... i'm not sure Sep 04 11:32:43 what's the problem? Sep 04 11:32:51 it doesn't work? Sep 04 11:33:37 found no method to write the memory to sd for a backup Sep 04 11:33:56 mm Sep 04 11:33:59 guess there is none Sep 04 11:34:40 you can do a backup via dfu... Sep 04 11:34:59 trying a different approach: dfu to backup rootfs (which is system 0x4000000 + userdata) and split it Sep 04 11:35:21 mm Sep 04 11:35:36 that could be good Sep 04 11:40:03 i have lunch now Sep 04 11:40:06 see you later Sep 04 11:40:08 bye all Sep 04 13:02:43 hi,guys. I am new to android .There is no linux kernel in android source code directory which I get from the command "repo sync".Is that just a filesystem and I need download the kernel additionally? Sep 04 13:03:37 the kernel should be there also Sep 04 13:04:24 under which directory? Sep 04 13:04:35 harvey3, in the top directory there should be a dir called "kenrel" Sep 04 13:04:44 *"kernel" of course =) Sep 04 13:07:42 larlin:If my download breaks without finished,can I continue with "repo sync"? Sep 04 13:08:15 it will traverse the tree again but not download things that is already downloaded I think Sep 04 13:10:12 I met this problem . How could I continue downloading the rest ? Sep 04 13:12:08 have you tried repo sync? Sep 04 13:14:16 fntc: I tried,but it just traverse the tree and do nothing. Sep 04 13:15:25 k, I need to run now but that sounds odd worst case try a new repo sync in a new repo and see if you get everything then? Sep 04 13:16:37 I have downloaded 3.6G :-( Sep 04 13:24:14 It seems that there is no directory called "kernel" under the main android directory. Sep 04 13:31:23 which branch did you check out? Sep 04 13:31:44 manifest Sep 04 13:32:03 repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b master Sep 04 13:32:09 or: repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b cupcake Sep 04 13:34:30 I used this "repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git" Sep 04 13:34:39 If you do the correct repo init in the same directory, then repo sync again, you won't have to download all 3.6G Sep 04 13:38:24 i cant't check out the platform-installer branch? is it broken or just empty? Sep 04 13:45:51 fntc: How are you trying to check it out? Sep 04 13:50:16 tried a git clone git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_installer.git Sep 04 13:50:33 as well as browsing the source tree on gitorious Sep 04 13:50:57 try repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifesgit -b installer Sep 04 13:51:07 followed by repo sync Sep 04 13:52:18 make that 'repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b installer' Sep 04 13:53:37 get a warning: remote HEAD refers a nonexistent ref, unable to checkout from git which leaves me with an directory and an empty .git file Sep 04 13:54:24 finally - thanks Sep 04 13:54:34 should have used repo the first time Sep 04 13:55:34 but: fatal: manifest 'default.xml' not available Sep 04 13:57:02 fntc: What repo init command did you use? Sep 04 13:57:18 I just tried it here and it worked Sep 04 13:59:08 the one you liked above Sep 04 13:59:21 i'll clean the folder again Sep 04 14:00:38 hm it keeps failing with the manifest default.xml not found error Sep 04 14:01:34 ah - got it, sorry for taking your time, my fault Sep 04 14:02:56 You used my first (bad) link? Sep 04 14:03:35 no i had the wrong git file copy&pasted to the commandline Sep 04 14:11:45 Note that the Makefile assumes you have a toolchain at /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- Sep 04 14:13:22 If you don't, you could try pointing at the toolchain in your regular AoF prebuilt/ directory Sep 04 14:27:31 got it there, and is building Sep 04 14:27:46 had just a little change to implement Sep 04 14:43:21 "mkudfu.c:1: error: bad value (armv4t) for -march= switch" any idea? Sep 04 14:51:37 fntc: Are you sure your using the right toolchain? Sep 04 14:52:43 What does ls -l /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/ return? Sep 04 14:55:38 had the environment setup and it somehow failed compiling the bootloader - so I did that step with an default environment Sep 04 14:55:59 seemed to have problems with some command line switches Sep 04 15:51:02 jancona: the makefile doesnt seem to integrate the init into the kernel image - are there additional scripts to finish the installer-build process Sep 04 15:51:56 fntc: Not that I know of Sep 04 15:56:53 Into the installer kernel image? Sep 04 16:00:48 yes, it seems to be in there in serdars daily builds Sep 04 16:02:51 fntc: It may be that kernel/Koolu.mk needs the stuff from kernel/Android .make that replaces ###ROOT_DIR### with the real directory Sep 04 16:03:17 Or you could hardcode the path in the defconfig Sep 04 16:05:07 seems not to be in there, will try Sep 04 16:17:44 it seems the root/-folder is already used as initramfs but the kernel keeps complaning about a missing init on boot Sep 04 17:29:12 sanvy: pong Sep 04 17:29:47 sybren, lol what a long pong Sep 04 17:29:47 xD Sep 04 17:30:10 if you want, now i have time to spend for android :D Sep 04 17:33:44 sanvy: thanks for the offer, but I'm watching Flash Forward, and it's getting quite suspenseful ;-) Sep 04 17:34:08 O_O flash forward?? on fox?? Sep 04 17:34:30 fox? not in The Netherlands Sep 04 17:34:53 it's broadcast by Veronica, but we download it in HD ;-) Sep 04 17:35:30 aaah Sep 04 17:35:30 okk Sep 04 17:35:31 lol Sep 04 17:35:41 because here in italy is ended the second season Sep 04 17:35:56 I thought it was cancelled after the 1st season? Sep 04 17:36:02 but i like it very much, so if fox was broadcasting... Sep 04 17:36:05 mm Sep 04 17:36:17 no... i watched all the first season Sep 04 17:36:24 except for latest episode Sep 04 17:36:25 xD Sep 04 17:36:29 and all the second season Sep 04 17:36:34 this summer Sep 04 17:37:50 strange, because IMDB only lists one season... Sep 04 17:39:00 i don't know... Sep 04 17:40:09 me neither - all I know is that S1 is on my harddisk, and very addictive :) Sep 04 17:40:46 lool Sep 04 17:41:21 if you want, you can see the italian season xD so you will also able to read the italian wiki for android :D :D Sep 04 17:44:22 lol! Sep 04 17:44:37 the italian broadcasts are dubbed? Sep 04 17:44:42 dubbed? Sep 04 17:45:28 overdubbed, the original voices removed and replaced with italian voices Sep 04 17:45:54 oh Sep 04 17:46:03 yes... flash forward is american Sep 04 17:46:53 I meant to ask whether the american voices are replaced with italian, in Italy Sep 04 17:47:10 yes, i understood ;) Sep 04 17:47:20 yes, they are dubbed, because flash forward is american Sep 04 17:47:25 and italy is italian Sep 04 17:47:26 xD Sep 04 17:47:37 I hate it when they do that Sep 04 17:47:40 oh, so like when america gets japanese shows Sep 04 17:47:47 give me original language + subtitles any time Sep 04 17:47:47 in Netherlands are not dubbed? Sep 04 17:47:49 * rooly laughs at you guys Sep 04 17:47:49 nope Sep 04 17:48:02 no rooly.. in italy the american voice is completely removed Sep 04 17:48:06 america doesn't get dubbed european films, we just get subtitles Sep 04 17:48:09 for movies Sep 04 17:48:12 we get the original cast, which is way better than any dubbing I've heard Sep 04 17:48:24 for japanese/american shows we can hear also the original voice Sep 04 17:48:41 "also"? Sep 04 17:48:51 rooly, really? Sep 04 17:48:51 sometimes we get subtitles on british films Sep 04 17:48:56 nobody can understand those fuckers Sep 04 17:49:02 lol Sep 04 17:49:03 sanvy, yup Sep 04 17:49:35 but italian actors are really inexpressive with voice... according to me, they have to be dubbed too Sep 04 17:49:40 in italian Sep 04 17:49:41 xD Sep 04 17:49:43 lol Sep 04 17:49:46 whahaha Sep 04 17:51:02 also, the italian dubbers (dubbers is correct?) are very very good Sep 04 17:52:02 I heard that Bruce Willis spent three months(!) trying to find the right voice for some character Sep 04 17:52:22 I don't think dubbers go through such effort - I've never heard them, at any rate Sep 04 17:52:22 lol Sep 04 17:52:46 and certain things can't be translated to another language, certain humour for instance Sep 04 17:52:52 i dunno, but they are really good in italy Sep 04 17:52:55 yes, that's true Sep 04 17:53:22 usually for humors they use something with a similar meaning Sep 04 17:53:50 for me, English is such an important and easy language, it's a shame _not_ to listen to the original voices Sep 04 17:54:25 * rooly guffaws Sep 04 17:54:27 yes, it could also be an help for learning Sep 04 17:54:46 even as a native english speaker, and quite good at that, i still find this language difficult Sep 04 17:55:01 really? Sep 04 17:55:20 because of what? vocabules or rules? Sep 04 17:55:26 i mean, what other language has "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo." Sep 04 17:55:40 ? Sep 04 17:55:47 's a correct sentence Sep 04 17:55:53 really? Sep 04 17:55:55 yup Sep 04 17:55:56 what does it means? Sep 04 17:55:58 mean* Sep 04 17:56:00 Buffalo is a place Sep 04 17:56:04 yes Sep 04 17:56:05 buffalo is a big hairy beast Sep 04 17:56:08 yes Sep 04 17:56:15 "to buffalo" is a verb Sep 04 17:56:18 :O Sep 04 17:56:21 yep Sep 04 17:56:25 lol Sep 04 17:56:30 what does it mean? Sep 04 17:56:50 and I think it can also be short for "buffalo-like", so 'buffalo buffalo buffalo" can mean "buffalo are buffalo'ing in a buffalo-like fashion" Sep 04 17:57:06 LOL Sep 04 17:57:16 buffalo from Buffalo who buffalo from Buffalo buffalo will buffalo buffalo from buffalo. Sep 04 17:57:30 lol Sep 04 17:57:49 shouldn't there be buffalos as a verb? Sep 04 17:57:56 will buffalo Sep 04 17:57:57 it singular after all? Sep 04 17:58:08 but originally there was no "will" Sep 04 17:58:08 buffalo is singular and plural Sep 04 17:58:16 oh lol Sep 04 17:58:17 the noun Sep 04 17:58:20 ah, ok Sep 04 17:58:23 the hairy beast noun Sep 04 17:58:58 well, i'll leave you playing with grammar while i'm going to play with urban terror xD Sep 04 17:59:10 see you later, Sep 04 17:59:11 bye all Sep 04 17:59:56 ciao! Sep 04 18:31:10 lol Sep 04 18:31:13 i have dinner now Sep 04 18:31:14 ciao all Sep 04 18:45:05 jancona: the init is definitly IN the kernel image (put and jpeg in the folder to increase the size) but it seems the kernel does not load it Sep 04 19:59:50 hi all Sep 04 20:05:52 a strange report for calendar: Sep 04 20:06:44 i've noticed that it shows the event made on google calendar only the day after their happening Sep 04 20:07:27 maybe a punishment for the use of google not-open source code on a not-google device? :D Sep 04 21:03:07 did anyone compile the installer-branch and try to exchange the installer kernel? mine complains about not getting the init file, but i know that the initramfs is in the kernel Sep 04 21:36:23 fntc, maybe init.rc Sep 04 21:36:29 :\ no sorry i don't know Sep 04 23:27:30 hi huys Sep 05 00:07:36 hi Sep 05 00:18:18 jancona, there? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010