**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 23:51:16 2007 Nov 05 23:51:21 but I have to split. it is far to late already. wife is going to kill me. Nov 05 23:51:24 meus: anything else would hurt Nov 05 23:51:30 * robtaylor need to head off soon Nov 05 23:51:32 robtaylor: seriously as well :) Nov 05 23:52:06 jasonchen: can you guys talk at all about what the platform's looking like? Nov 05 23:52:23 jasonchen: or is it a matter of waiting till next week? Nov 05 23:53:01 At least it's only a week, unlike some other companies' delivery dates. :) Nov 05 23:53:18 heh Nov 05 23:53:35 robtaylor: unfortunately, i can't say more than what's available on http://www.openhandsetalliance.com Nov 05 23:53:45 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/android.txt Nov 05 23:53:53 robtaylor: but much more, including an SDK, will be made available on the 12th Nov 05 23:54:07 there will be android-prev.txt (previous 24 hours) and an android subdir with archives Nov 05 23:54:48 ciao a tutti Nov 05 23:54:48 now we need TimRiker to get jbot in here. Nov 05 23:54:55 rwhitby: cool. that's great. Nov 05 23:55:09 ciao Tyrael! Nov 05 23:56:04 morrildl: would it be possible to add the log link to the topic? Nov 05 23:56:10 robtaylor: but what I can say is that Android is built on Linux and has a virtual machine customized for embedded environments Nov 05 23:56:18 jasonchen you mean an opensource sdk? Nov 05 23:56:54 jasonchen :) Nov 05 23:57:03 jasonchen: well, I'll be interetsted to see the details next week :) Nov 05 23:58:08 @kristian-m: see http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_faq.html Nov 05 23:58:15 kristian-m: the entire android platform will eventually be available as opensource under under Apache v2 Nov 05 23:58:28 * jasonchen thinks that dsmcl should introduce himself Nov 05 23:58:37 and to introduce myself, I'm also one of the Google Android Advocates; hello :) Nov 05 23:58:49 jasonchen thanks for the info Nov 05 23:59:43 jasonchen, with 'entire platform' you mean additional software developed by the OHA? Nov 05 23:59:44 kristian-m: you're welcome; there'll be much more to talk about once the SDK is available :-) Nov 06 00:01:28 jasonchen looking forward to it... - and into jython for that matter... Nov 06 00:01:33 jasonchen: are you able to say when OHA membership becomes open to other companies, what criteria you need to meet to join, and what the cost is? Nov 06 00:03:27 rwhitby, the oha_faq says: Who can join the Open Handset Alliance? Nov 06 00:03:27 The Open Handset Alliance brings together companies in the mobile ecosystem that each contribute to the effort in various ways. We welcome companies willing to make serious and ongoing contributions to openness in the mobile world. Nov 06 00:03:43 another question - what timezone is the Nov 12 SDK availability in? I'm in GMT+10:30, so I'm expecting to get access to it well ahead of the rest of you ;-) Nov 06 00:04:07 Shoragan: I know what the FAQ says, I'm looking for further info if it is available ... Nov 06 00:04:23 Shoragan: ;-) Nov 06 00:04:25 Shoragan: the android platform consists of software contributed by various members of the Alliance; i think more will be clear once the SDK is available and we can reveal more about the details Nov 06 00:04:31 we seem to have flooded jasonchen Nov 06 00:04:36 rwhitby: It'll be Mountain View time, which is GMT+8 Nov 06 00:05:02 er wait Nov 06 00:05:05 morrildl: +8? don't you mean -8? Nov 06 00:05:05 GMT-8 Nov 06 00:05:11 right :) Nov 06 00:05:21 * morrildl can't keep his sign bits straight Nov 06 00:05:22 rwhitby: i don't know the exact details about joining the Alliance, but can find out for you Nov 06 00:05:29 * rwhitby was wondering where Mountain View, Western Australia was ;-) Nov 06 00:05:33 ha ha Nov 06 00:06:01 * rwhitby used to live in MV, CA back in 1991, but prefers Australia Nov 06 00:06:49 * ljp also prefers Australia Nov 06 00:08:09 Would any of the Google people like to comment on OpenMoko? Nov 06 00:08:11 * rwhitby and ljp constitue the Aussie Androids Nov 06 00:08:24 ozarka: now that's really unfair Nov 06 00:08:34 ozarka: ;) Nov 06 00:08:34 How is that unfair? Nov 06 00:09:05 because anything they might say would be taken as an official opinion, regardless of protestations Nov 06 00:09:09 They can't talk about Android. Nov 06 00:09:35 * ljp chants 'need more bliss!' Nov 06 00:09:39 we can talk about kittens :) Nov 06 00:09:40 True, but that just means that irc is a cold, cruel, world. Nov 06 00:09:51 (Check out ##c if you don't believe me). Nov 06 00:09:58 not mine, but a friend's http://www.thatcanadiangirl.co.uk/blog/2007/11/05/kitten-rodeo-jack-and-rose-are-definitely-feeling-at-home/ Nov 06 00:10:02 * morrildl does enjoy a good LOLcat Nov 06 00:10:06 Will the SDK include kittens? Nov 06 00:10:07 hmm kittens.. my 6 year old kitten was taken to the vet this morning Nov 06 00:10:21 Stephmw: one can assume that Google developer advocates are well trained in PR and how to not answer questions when necessary. Nov 06 00:10:40 that doesn't mean we can't ask them though ;-) Nov 06 00:10:45 And they finish each others sentences. Nov 06 00:10:47 ;) Nov 06 00:10:57 "The Collective" indeed :) Nov 06 00:11:06 It's drilled into them at the Google Re-Education Camp. Nov 06 00:11:55 ljp: At 6 isn't it a cat? Is it all right? Nov 06 00:11:56 we had one developer assimilated into google Nov 06 00:12:14 ozarka: hope so Nov 06 00:12:14 I've known a few who disappeared too ;) Nov 06 00:12:40 ozarka: kittenness is a state of mind, not an age Nov 06 00:12:43 The guy who sat next to me in the office fell in as well. Nov 06 00:12:50 * RP doesn't think much of google's recruitment tactics... Nov 06 00:13:06 RP: why, they haven't approached you yet? Nov 06 00:13:15 * Stephmw chuckles Nov 06 00:13:17 RP: Don't worry, you can apply again in 90 days. Nov 06 00:13:37 * BabelO think ljp need one more comm developper :) Nov 06 00:13:37 who here *hasn't* been approached by Google recruiting? Nov 06 00:13:44 they buy lots of pizza! Nov 06 00:13:50 I just worry about Google providing "Breakfast, lunch and dinner" meaning they expect people to work those hours :) Nov 06 00:13:53 * rwhitby is still waiting for the Google Adelaide office to open ... Nov 06 00:13:59 I heard a rumor that Google bought 50,000 phones for developers. Nov 06 00:14:11 rwhitby: It was rather irritating on the 3rd try... Nov 06 00:14:12 * Sput thinks Google should buy pizza in Europe too Nov 06 00:14:24 And I've checked my mail each day, but mine hasn't arrived yet. Nov 06 00:14:32 I miss the Google-sponsored talks and events I enjoyed while studying in the US Nov 06 00:14:34 ozarka: ahhh, but *which* phones? some Series30 jobbies? Nov 06 00:14:36 no sign of that in Germany Nov 06 00:14:37 morrildl: tripled the user count in less than an hour ;-) Nov 06 00:14:42 It probably just got lost. I moved recently. Nov 06 00:15:01 rwhitby: the euristics your bots employ to simulate real chatter is amazing Nov 06 00:15:02 Sput; you should check out Youtube--we post a lot of our talks there Nov 06 00:15:22 jasonchen: yeah, but I can't get free pizza on youtube :) Nov 06 00:15:34 :-) Nov 06 00:15:59 rwhitby: heh heh :) Nov 06 00:16:36 * rwhitby ponders whether OpenMoko was just a cunning Google front to identify the true open source phone fanatics and supply them with developer phones ready to run Android before the official announcement ... Nov 06 00:17:12 * Sput hopes they think of the Qtopia devs as well Nov 06 00:17:16 there is not only OpenMoko! Nov 06 00:17:44 * Stephmw hopes he can just pick up one from the local Google offices Nov 06 00:18:12 * ljp still wondering what android really is Nov 06 00:18:55 ljp: Android is Symbian with no license fees. Nov 06 00:19:07 I wonder why Palm didn't join the alliance. Nov 06 00:19:27 They can't seem to update their OS, they should take Google's. Nov 06 00:19:47 is it something like phoneme ? + another layer Nov 06 00:21:13 it will be interesting to see the kernel ports to all the different phone hardware Nov 06 00:21:34 its just angstrom + gtk/webkit Nov 06 00:21:41 So you think Android is/will soon be as mature as Symbian? Nov 06 00:23:07 Shoragan: to see mobile kernel ports look at anytux.org under hardware, you can see some nice phone ;) Nov 06 00:24:13 hmm not commercial enough, its just windriver linux + gtk/webkit Nov 06 00:25:20 ljp: think to modem tomorrow :) i will track you.. lol Nov 06 00:25:24 * rwhitby expects that Android will not include any kernel code, but just make requirements on kernel services, or a virtual machine API, thereby dodging the question of kernel ports and leaving that to the manufacturers Nov 06 00:25:51 Babel, the problem with the current community linux ports to ezx and htc phones is that the phone is near end of life when the port becomes usable :/ Nov 06 00:26:23 Shoragan: we ake some progress now, we are fatest, but htc change their processor too often... lol Nov 06 00:26:40 BabelO, exactly Nov 06 00:27:14 Shoragan: i know it is like desktop cpu :( all 6 month a new one Nov 06 00:28:12 right, bedtime - g'night! Nov 06 00:28:13 * BabelO is looking for video at youtube Nov 06 00:28:16 the cpu is the a "minor" problem; getting all the perepherials, gpio's and power management to work as well as the original is the hard part Nov 06 00:29:44 Shoragan: as well or better ;) some add on feature Nov 06 00:31:07 Shoragan: i think to power management, we can do better thing with linux if we have all gpios as well Nov 06 00:32:39 yes, of course thats all possible, but without documentation on the hardware it's hard ;) so i'm very interested in phones running linux out of the box Nov 06 00:34:01 Shoragan: yes me too that s why i m here. but i keep some old phone to play with their core, it is funny to look for gpios ;) Nov 06 00:36:10 anyway good night, i m not on same GMT. bye Nov 06 00:36:28 * CM does like BabelO Nov 06 00:39:49 androids: will the source to all the platform components be avaible for free (instead of only to the members, like with LiMo)? Nov 06 00:40:58 * morrildl is sorry to say that's one of the questions we can't answer until the 12th Nov 06 00:41:43 * Shoragan has a LiMo dejavu Nov 06 00:42:02 well Nov 06 00:42:23 well, off to bed Nov 06 00:42:24 nn Nov 06 00:47:37 morrildl: thanks for the honest answer. I personally respect that you say that you can't say :-) Nov 06 00:47:59 so lets hope for the best :) Nov 06 01:22:34 * morrildl wishes you could set up a running countdown timer on an IRC channel :) Nov 06 01:26:24 script to change the topic: n days m hours to sdk availability Nov 06 01:34:37 morrildl: we need aloril here - he did one for #openmoko **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:56 2007