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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 09 03:08:23 2007
Nov 09 03:08:59 <morrildl> I wish we could launch this thing and then go sleep
Nov 09 03:09:03 <morrildl> ;)
Nov 09 03:10:37 <proct0r> wow
Nov 09 03:10:39 <proct0r> whatever that is
Nov 09 08:01:09 <cutmasta> im thinking of starting an android portal/forum on adroidportal.com
Nov 09 08:01:20 <cutmasta> do you think this is a good idea?
Nov 09 08:38:29 <Stephmw> I'd have a google first :) it sounds like a popular idea
Nov 09 08:42:03 <cutmasta> of course
Nov 09 08:42:24 <cutmasta> but i only know androidcommunity.com
Nov 09 12:40:44 * ScaredyCat pokes CM
Nov 09 12:40:57 * Stephmw pokes ScaredyCat 
Nov 09 12:41:05 <ScaredyCat> yoink!
Nov 09 12:42:17 <ScaredyCat> ln -s #openmoko #andriod  ?
Nov 09 12:42:28 <ScaredyCat> :
Nov 09 12:43:11 <ScaredyCat> ^^^ too
Nov 09 12:45:36 <cutmasta> lol
Nov 09 12:50:24 <CM> Hehe
Nov 09 13:15:08 <meus> hehe :P
Nov 09 15:38:23 <cutmasta> marenz, was gayt heute abend?
Nov 09 15:38:26 <cutmasta> was starten?
Nov 09 15:42:51 * CM pokes morrildl with a stick hoping he'll say something interesting. :P
Nov 09 15:43:41 <cutmasta> :)
Nov 09 15:46:43 <morrildl> That's about the most interesting thing I have right now :)
Nov 09 15:47:40 <BabelO> morrildl: hi, can you add UTC hours too ;)
Nov 09 15:47:44 <cutmasta> lol
Nov 09 15:47:51 <CM> Hehe
Nov 09 16:01:58 <cutmasta> nice weekend all
Nov 09 16:09:32 <don-o> i thought yesterday was only 3 days until the sdk
Nov 09 16:10:17 <ozarka> don-o:  It's about 72 hours from now.
Nov 09 16:10:40 <ScaredyCat> 12th
Nov 09 16:11:08 <ScaredyCat> so 3 days, but then it might be the 8th in far reaches still
Nov 09 16:11:57 <ozarka> Maybe morrildl could give an exact second when it will be announced.
Nov 09 16:12:44 <ozarka> And I heard that the official announcement will be made right here in #android.
Nov 09 16:13:00 <ozarka> So we should have at least a 90 sec head start on the rest of the world.
Nov 09 16:13:55 <mbraun> 90sec to grab the SDK before the servers get DoS'ed ;)
Nov 09 16:16:45 <ScaredyCat> what! I'm already downloading everything off their servers ever 1/2 second
Nov 09 16:16:47 <ScaredyCat> :P
Nov 09 16:18:04 <don-o> i wonder if there will be an emulator setup like openmoko's
Nov 09 16:18:28 <ScaredyCat> it would suprise me if there wasn't
Nov 09 16:18:47 <ScaredyCat> it's be pretty daft really...
Nov 09 16:18:50 <ScaredyCat> it'd
Nov 09 16:21:10 <don-o> yes, with no real hardware (available to us anyways)
Nov 09 16:21:19 <don-o> the sdk would be rather dull
Nov 09 16:21:50 <ScaredyCat> you have a neo don;t you ?
Nov 09 16:24:12 <don-o> nope, just the emulator
Nov 09 16:24:28 <don-o> i got the emulator off ebay. grin. :)
Nov 09 16:24:38 <ScaredyCat> lol
Nov 09 16:43:42 <ozarka> I'll be watching here: http://buildhost.automated.it/NeoAndroid for my Android build on Monday.
Nov 09 16:47:12 <ScaredyCat> :)
Nov 09 16:53:56 * morrildl thinks you all will be pleased by the SDK.
Nov 09 16:54:18 <ScaredyCat> can we have a preview copy :)
Nov 09 16:54:48 * Essington wonders if android will be able to work on an iPhone ...
Nov 09 16:55:18 <Essington> compelling idea in the event that apple manages to finally lock out the hackers :-)
Nov 09 16:55:56 <ScaredyCat> pfft...
Nov 09 16:56:02 <Essington> best of both worlds ... open platform, and world class industrial design
Nov 09 16:56:16 <Essington> oh, and the hardware exists TODAY!
Nov 09 16:56:44 <ScaredyCat> i suspect that many devices will still be pretty locked, even with andriod
Nov 09 16:57:15 <ScaredyCat> sure the underlying stuff will be open, but I'd guess lots of locked apps...
Nov 09 16:57:38 <ScaredyCat> in fact, you might even get the same situation
Nov 09 16:58:19 <ScaredyCat> i take it that's a "no" then morrildl ;)
Nov 09 16:58:52 <Essington> ScaredyCat: you can have a preview copy ... monday
Nov 09 16:58:57 * morrildl can't answer that til Monday :)
Nov 09 16:58:58 <ScaredyCat> :(
Nov 09 16:59:33 <morrildl> with Android, the platform will be open
Nov 09 16:59:42 <Stephmw> morrildl: just in time for the "Future Of Mobiles" conference in London :)
Nov 09 17:00:00 <Stephmw> http://www.future-of-mobile.com/
Nov 09 17:00:07 <ScaredyCat> morrildl: err, it doesn't have to be.
Nov 09 17:00:08 <morrildl> but if an app developer chooses to make an application that they don't want other apps to be able to place nice with, they will certainly have that ability
Nov 09 17:00:08 <Stephmw> talking of which, anybody else going?
Nov 09 17:00:40 <Essington> well burke will be there ...
Nov 09 17:00:44 <ScaredyCat> if you don't allow users to reflash then it wont be open on that device...
Nov 09 17:00:53 <ScaredyCat> a la tivo
Nov 09 17:00:58 <Stephmw> Essington: well... people in here at any rate :D
Nov 09 17:01:06 <puckett> Anyone have a list of hardware that might be used for development?  200MHz ARM9 stuff, right?
Nov 09 17:01:21 * ScaredyCat points at his neo 1973
Nov 09 17:01:33 <Stephmw> puckett: it's gonna be layered above a linux kernel... so probably
Nov 09 17:01:50 <puckett> Yeah, I had been holding off the Neo until Dec, but I have have to break down and get one now if it works.
Nov 09 17:02:07 <ScaredyCat> i'd wait, you'll get wifi
Nov 09 17:02:19 <Stephmw> damn it... talk about too many things vying for my wallet
Nov 09 17:02:26 <Stephmw> december's gonna be tough
Nov 09 17:03:02 <ScaredyCat> nnaa. no pressies for the kids :)
Nov 09 17:03:19 <Stephmw> who's talking about the kids?
Nov 09 17:03:33 <Stephmw> ScaredyCat: photo gear for me... and mobile phone dev for... me
Nov 09 17:03:41 <Stephmw> ScaredyCat: wife can have a scarf or something
Nov 09 17:03:58 <ScaredyCat> well, I could fly to somewhere, get some kids and sell them to rich french people
Nov 09 17:04:59 <ScaredyCat> a scarf? surely flowers would do
Nov 09 17:05:20 <ScaredyCat> and you could get them from the cemetry on the way home
Nov 09 17:05:35 <Stephmw> scarves are probably cheaper
Nov 09 17:06:18 <puckett> Yeah, flowers are expensive now!  Paid $100 for a dozen roses last Velentine's Day. (maybe that was my own stupidity though)
Nov 09 17:06:46 <ScaredyCat> they'd be cheap if you took them from the cemetry though
Nov 09 17:09:00 * Sput wants Qtopia running on the Android platform
Nov 09 17:09:10 <summatusmentis> android is likely to be gsm right?
Nov 09 17:09:28 <ozarka> Sput:  I don't think that makes sense.
Nov 09 17:09:30 <summatusmentis> or rather, the phones running android?
Nov 09 17:09:33 * BabelO is agree with Sput
Nov 09 17:09:36 <ScaredyCat> summatusmentis: not particularly
Nov 09 17:09:41 <ScaredyCat> depends on the hardware
Nov 09 17:10:02 <ozarka> Android is software.  Qtopia is software.
Nov 09 17:10:08 <ScaredyCat> yes..
Nov 09 17:10:30 <Sput> so? android _could_ provide a common linux-based platform, where one could put Qtopia on top.
Nov 09 17:10:46 <ScaredyCat> yes,
Nov 09 17:11:00 <Sput> as long as nobody really knows what Android actually is, I think I am allowed to speculate :)
Nov 09 17:11:08 <ScaredyCat> and 1000's of other things...
Nov 09 17:11:17 <ScaredyCat> hopfully only a few based on google maps
Nov 09 17:11:21 <summatusmentis> ScaredyCat: the thing is, I don't see verizon letting any open platform on their network, one, and two, cdma phones need to be programmed specifically for the network
Nov 09 17:11:49 <ScaredyCat> the platform can be open, the drivers and hardware don't have to be
Nov 09 17:12:00 <Sput> I might be slightly biased, but I doubt that Qt's API and ease of development could be rivaled by anything in the short run, so that's why I hope that Qtopia developers can benefit from Android
Nov 09 17:12:25 <summatusmentis> right, except verizon has been pushing to keep even the firmware locked down. They block bluetooth file transfer, for instance
Nov 09 17:12:38 <ScaredyCat> open in  andriod sense means for the developers, not the users
Nov 09 17:12:55 <summatusmentis> fair enough
Nov 09 17:18:12 <puckett> As a Brew developer, let me say that VZW has little interest in keeping things open for developers any more than they do for users.
Nov 09 17:18:39 <Sput> also what good is an open development platform if I can't modify the software as an enduser?
Nov 09 17:18:54 <ScaredyCat> I meant their own developers - not you and me
Nov 09 17:19:23 <puckett> Ah, ok.
Nov 09 17:19:24 <ScaredyCat> you could develop you own stuff, put qtopia on etc Sput...
Nov 09 17:19:25 <Sput> hmm
Nov 09 17:20:19 <ScaredyCat> so, although we can get access to it... it's getting a device you can push it onto...
Nov 09 17:25:31 <ScaredyCat> speed cameras in cats eyes!
Nov 09 17:32:45 <puckett> morrildl: Can you say anything about app distribution?  Will the handsets have an iTunes-like service or will we still have to work with carriers, etc?
Nov 09 17:39:53 <ScaredyCat> eeewww itunes!
Nov 09 17:41:09 <puckett> I know, I know...  :)
Nov 09 18:35:01 <Sput> I won't buy another phone that does not let me install my own software
Nov 09 21:54:50 <alUrdun> Well, busy in here...
Nov 09 22:00:38 <ScaredyCat> you wait til tomorrow.. it'll be rockin' ... not..
Nov 09 22:38:32 * jasonchen thinks it'll be rockin' once the SDK is available
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