**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 10 02:59:56 2007 Nov 10 05:00:10 morning Nov 10 05:01:10 * rwhitby spots a leak on http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2007-November/043241.html: "the vast majority of the devices in the 88-D0 space are peripherals specific to the MSM7K SOC and not likely to be useful elsewhere, excepting only the GPU (which ends up being a userspace library anyway, due to unfortunate license issues)." Nov 10 05:01:38 That says to me that the GPU on the MSM device running Android requires a proprietary userspace driver. Nov 10 05:49:46 what is an MSM device Nov 10 05:50:58 http://www.cdmatech.com/products/mobile_processors.jsp Nov 10 05:54:55 don-o: Google have just pushed kernel patches for a Qualcomm MSM device upstream to linux-arm-kernel Nov 10 05:55:09 so the assumption is that it's one of the first devices to run Android Nov 10 06:16:09 rwhitby: interesting! Nov 10 09:16:54 wow, this channel is active for something that does not exist yet Nov 10 09:18:42 there is a difference between does not exist and is not publicly available ^^ Nov 10 09:18:57 but yes, plenty 'o interest Nov 10 09:19:18 hehe :) Nov 10 09:19:30 I'm looking forward to it :) Nov 10 09:19:47 me too. shipping is always fun. Nov 10 09:26:31 hello folks Nov 10 09:26:35 'evening Nov 10 09:26:51 so, any chances that this kernel may be usable on say, htc kaiser? Nov 10 09:27:06 is kaiser 7200 or 7200A? Nov 10 09:27:15 7200 Nov 10 09:28:06 somebody'd need to do a bit of work for 7200 support, reverse engineer the htc specific bits to assemble a reasonable board file and any specific drivers, and get it installed somehow Nov 10 09:28:18 but in theory, no reason it couldn't be done Nov 10 09:28:40 how do you know what devices it'll run on? Nov 10 09:28:53 I thought they were going to have to develop special phones for it Nov 10 09:29:24 some guy having a mogul (similar chipset, I think, only cdma) already succeeded to run haret and telnet into that and dump lots of information, I think too, it should be doable with kaiser, too Nov 10 09:29:50 yeah, if you've got a vector to get code running and are starting to pick stuff apart, no reason it can't be done Nov 10 09:29:51 god beware having the kernel supporting only special devices Nov 10 09:30:40 sadly I cannot exactly help reverse engineer devices made by OHA members (and probably shouldn't do so for other devices), but it seems pretty clear there's a number of sharp people working on this stuff already ^^ Nov 10 09:33:29 well, does this alliance only want that android runs on their devices? I wonder then if "just kernel support" will be enough for other enthusiasts to get something else running on them... Nov 10 09:35:29 that'll probably vary depending on oem, carrier, and specific device. I (personally) hope we see some really neat, very open devices. Nov 10 18:28:50 tick tock tick tock Nov 10 18:39:49 that '3 day' estimate never seems to change Nov 10 18:42:29 don-o: lol, soonot should be hours Nov 10 18:44:31 maybe it's a 'FIC' 3 days ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 11 02:59:57 2007