**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:56 2007
Nov 28 03:30:12 <rtreffer> I'm drunk *g*
Nov 28 03:30:33 <Dralspire> lol it's called "in the Android zone" ... best coding evar :P
Nov 28 03:44:11 <Nescio> Hello
Nov 28 03:45:16 <Dralspire> Hi there :-)
Nov 28 03:45:21 <Nescio> How goes?
Nov 28 03:45:32 <Dralspire> super :D How about you?
Nov 28 03:45:45 <Nescio> heh, it goes
Nov 28 03:51:38 <Nescio> whats new?
Nov 28 03:51:54 <Dralspire> lmao the turkey massacre (i.e. Thanksgiving) has ended :P
Nov 28 04:14:05 <d03boy> anyone know where I can find tutorials for developing blackberry interfaces? i know this the wrong place to check..
Nov 28 04:14:24 <Nescio> booo  *hisss*
Nov 28 04:17:56 <jerkface03> lol
Nov 28 04:17:58 <jerkface03> yhbt
Nov 28 04:35:06 <joejaxx> lol
Nov 28 04:56:23 <jasta> yawn, finally home
Nov 28 04:57:39 <d03boy> welcome home
Nov 28 05:00:17 <hozer> hrrm.. how does android deal with flash craplets
Nov 28 05:00:55 <jasta> flash craplets?
Nov 28 05:01:32 * hozer loaded the news.com frontpage with the openmoko browser and clicked on a link and got a bunch raw HTML with flash tags
Nov 28 05:01:44 <hozer> and in general, I hate flash anyway
Nov 28 05:02:03 <hozer> but will there be some sort of flash plugin for the android webkit?
Nov 28 05:02:34 <jasta> webkit and safari share plugins, so yes.
Nov 28 05:03:26 <jasta> or at least, i think they do
Nov 28 05:03:27 <hozer> but what cpu are the safari flash plugins compiled for?
Nov 28 05:03:45 <jasta> hozer: oh, well that i don't know.  i would suspect that they'd just recompile and redist it.
Nov 28 05:03:48 <jasta> Adobe, that is.
Nov 28 05:05:06 <hozer> flash and mobile web browsers just seem to be a baaad combination
Nov 28 05:05:45 <hozer> and flash doesn't really fit anyone's definition of 'open'
Nov 28 05:06:52 <Nescio> hey jasta
Nov 28 05:08:26 <jasta> hey
Nov 28 05:15:22 <jerkface03> who cares if it's open
Nov 28 05:15:25 <jerkface03> 1 things for sure tho
Nov 28 05:15:35 <jerkface03> it's slow as hell and it functionaly doesn't work
Nov 28 05:16:02 <jerkface03> i used it a bit at work this year
Nov 28 05:16:06 <jerkface03> it would randomly ignore operations
Nov 28 05:16:26 <jerkface03> sometimes you would add two numbers together and it'd fail
Nov 28 05:16:33 <jerkface03> or randomly lockup
Nov 28 05:20:28 <jasta> Nescio: find anything about the selector drawable?
Nov 28 05:20:48 <Nescio> I am pretty sure it's because it uses a ninepatch
Nov 28 05:21:00 <jasta> why would that affect it that way?
Nov 28 05:21:21 <Nescio> you can specify padding
Nov 28 05:25:12 <Nescio> test it out...
Nov 28 06:17:05 <Luniv> woo, got my sectioned list working
Nov 28 06:17:10 <Luniv> now to make it pretty
Nov 28 06:17:17 <Luniv> stupid padding :/
Nov 28 06:18:35 <Nescio> Luniv, what does it look like?
Nov 28 06:18:59 <Luniv> umm, i'll take a screenshot
Nov 28 06:19:01 <Luniv> sec
Nov 28 06:20:53 <Luniv> http://flickr.com/photos/11517864@N07/2070098461/
Nov 28 06:23:40 <Nescio> yea, you have the same issue that jasta had, try putting: android:listSelector="@drawable/{somepic}"
Nov 28 06:23:50 <Nescio> in your list view
Nov 28 06:25:29 <Luniv> it's the selector that's adding the padding? oO
Nov 28 06:27:09 <Nescio> yea - weird >.<
Nov 28 06:27:16 <Luniv> *scratches head* weird
Nov 28 06:27:20 <Luniv> but it works
Nov 28 06:27:39 <Luniv> how'd you figure that out?
Nov 28 06:28:21 <Nescio> jasta and I went through it last night... I think it's because it is a ninepatch image w/ implicit padding...
Nov 28 06:28:53 <Luniv> i see
Nov 28 06:29:32 <Luniv> heh, my first thought was that it was scrollbar that was doing it
Nov 28 06:29:49 <Luniv> honestly, the selector would have been the last thing I thought of
Nov 28 06:29:52 <Luniv> thanks though!
Nov 28 06:30:01 <Nescio> np :)
Nov 28 06:30:19 <Nescio> If you find a more specific reason for it, please share
Nov 28 06:30:44 <Luniv> Google's crazy? ;)
Nov 28 06:31:01 <Nescio> haha, they do seem to make a lot of assumptions...
Nov 28 06:31:24 <Luniv> they do
Nov 28 06:31:35 <Nescio> oh, users only need a linear back history... who needs to jump between applications?
Nov 28 06:31:58 <Luniv> yeah, that's been bugging me
Nov 28 06:32:05 <Luniv> it seems liek such an obvious thing?
Nov 28 06:32:32 <Nescio> I can't understand both sides, but I really dont know if I'll be able to get used to it
Nov 28 06:32:37 <Nescio> *can
Nov 28 06:33:23 <Luniv> dunno, I have a n95, and it's really nice to be able to hop around to different apps, with out having to the home screen
Nov 28 06:33:39 <Luniv> *having to go to
Nov 28 06:34:09 <Nescio> yea, I have a Wing, and I couldn't imagine having to go home all the time
Nov 28 06:34:53 <Nescio> but, with the emulator - it's not just home... it's home, and then digging into the app. folde
Nov 28 06:35:07 <Luniv> wonder if we could hack up an app to do it, heh
Nov 28 06:35:16 <Luniv> yeah
Nov 28 06:35:56 <Nescio> hehe, yea - it gets complicated because what you really have to track are the bundles...processes no longer matter
Nov 28 06:36:51 <Luniv> I wouldn't know honestly, I haven't looked too much into that side of Android
Nov 28 06:37:33 <Luniv> the closest I've gotten was trying to figure out how to get my feed retriever service to communicate with the rest of my app
Nov 28 06:37:56 <Nescio> hehe, you and jasta should talk ;p
Nov 28 06:38:19 <Luniv> ended up punting and abusing the hell out of the notification service
Nov 28 07:59:07 <davidw> wow, this terrain view is sweet
Nov 28 08:55:03 <guardian> morning
Nov 28 09:11:04 <jasta> man, i'm so probably not going to work tomorrow ;)
Nov 28 09:11:12 <jasta> 1am and i'm only just getting started coding for the night
Nov 28 09:11:31 <jasta> hehe, i need a new job.  i miss software engineering :)
Nov 28 09:31:24 <davidw> what do you do now?
Nov 28 09:33:25 <jasta> well, i write software mostly, but not as interesting software.
Nov 28 09:34:00 <jasta> not interesting software at all :)
Nov 28 09:34:13 <jasta> mostly business logic type junk.  ugh.
Nov 28 09:34:20 * CM is in the same situation, for 3 more weeks.. ;)
Nov 28 09:35:30 <CM> There's so many jobs availible for programmers, so just change to something interesting :)
Nov 28 09:41:31 <ScaredyCat> yeah, like a real opensource project....
Nov 28 09:41:45 * ScaredyCat hides behind CM
Nov 28 09:53:52 <davidw> "business logic" sounds soul-suckingly boring
Nov 28 09:56:00 <yango> depends on the business
Nov 28 09:56:05 <yango> and the type of logic
Nov 28 09:56:40 <CM> Well, if there's ever a mention of APL, run for your life
Nov 28 09:59:07 <davidw> if associate.cut > 20.percent then dispatch_killer(target=associate) end
Nov 28 09:59:57 <yango> so you want more than 5 associates always?
Nov 28 10:01:18 <davidw> there's nothing about an even distribution:-)
Nov 28 10:17:16 <yango> you immoral inconsistent evil associate
Nov 28 13:24:43 <cutmasta> hu
Nov 28 13:24:52 <cutmasta> do you use import org.apache.commons.logging.Log for logging ?
Nov 28 13:25:01 <cutmasta> or the android log api?
Nov 28 13:26:33 <cutmasta> i like the apache log more because you see directly the class and method where the log entry was caught
Nov 28 13:54:42 <rtreffer> cutmasta: just write a few wrappers that use your app name as TAG and prepend the classname. I't quite easy to handle. The fun about the android log system is "logcat"
Nov 28 13:54:51 <rtreffer> off - going to university
Nov 28 13:56:08 <cutmasta> rtreffer, yap, thx
Nov 28 15:36:44 <haavi> anyone knows of a good way to set the background of a view and not make it span and stretch over the whole view?
Nov 28 15:37:16 <haavi> setBackground(Drawable) isn't working for this :(
Nov 28 15:38:33 <haavi> really wish I knew what that method does exactly
Nov 28 17:21:41 <bas0> hello. is it not possible to do something like:  R.id.message = setText("hello "+centerText);   ?
Nov 28 17:23:48 <bas0> I get: the final field R.id.message cannot be assigned
Nov 28 17:34:23 <bas0> anyone can help?
Nov 28 17:36:37 <ozarka> bas0:  R is a resource class, id is an int, it's just read only.
Nov 28 17:37:15 <ozarka> You want to change the text in the resource?
Nov 28 17:37:24 <bas0> yes
Nov 28 17:37:26 <ozarka> It's final so you can't change it.
Nov 28 17:37:51 <ozarka> Not to be snarky, but that's the whole idea behind resource strings.
Nov 28 17:38:40 <morrildl> bas0: What you need to do is assign an 'id' attribute to the TextView in your layout
Nov 28 17:39:14 <bas0> morrildl,I called the id "message"
Nov 28 17:39:21 <morrildl> bas0: then call this.findViewbyId() from your Activity, and cast it to a TextView:  TextView myTv = (TextView)findViewById(R.id.myTextView);
Nov 28 17:39:35 <morrildl> bas0: then you can call myTv.setText("hello " + centerText);
Nov 28 17:39:51 <morrildl> bas0: okay then you should do findViewById(R.id.message);
Nov 28 17:40:23 <morrildl> bas0: it's a lot like doing a document.getElementById() in an Ajax/JavaScript application, if you've ever done that
Nov 28 17:43:04 <bas0> good
Nov 28 17:45:19 <bas0> now it's working, tnx:)
Nov 28 17:52:56 <morrildl> bas0: np
Nov 28 18:20:51 <haavi> morrildl: do you know of an easy way to set the background of a view with a Drawable and not make it stretch over the whole view?
Nov 28 18:21:16 <guardian> evening, is there any news on the fields on JNI (or similar) on android ?
Nov 28 18:21:44 <haavi> I'm guessing I'd have to extend my view but I don't know what setBackground(Drawable) does exactly
Nov 28 18:25:44 <haavi> would be nice to have something like background-repeat and background-position for backgrounds
Nov 28 18:26:04 <haavi> like we have in CSS
Nov 29 00:53:58 <jasta> there is definitely a bug in the Eclipse ADT plugin's XML parser.  Every time I open my project it thinks one particular XML layout I have specified is incorrect, stating that the XML document must begin and end with the same element type.
Nov 29 00:54:10 <jasta> If I make a simple white-space formatting change, save, then change it back, the error goes away.
Nov 29 00:54:16 <jasta> the layout also behaves exactly as expected.
Nov 29 01:30:35 * jasta grins
Nov 29 01:30:47 <jasta> Google released their "My Location" beta for Google Maps on other handsets.
Nov 29 01:31:01 <jasta> I'm surprised honestly.  I expected they were gonna save that bullet for Android :)
Nov 29 01:33:55 <cybereagle> well their general philosophy as a company seems to strive to be ubiquitous
Nov 29 01:35:24 <jasta> yeah, they are behaving consistently.
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