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Dec 08 04:06:38 <jasta> back
Dec 08 04:07:07 <jasta> haavi: Android's documentation search tool really sucks, I find.
Dec 08 04:07:12 <jasta> it's ironic that it came from Google hehe
Dec 08 04:07:34 <dueynz> i dont like the ajax results
Dec 08 04:07:41 <dueynz> bug out all the time
Dec 08 04:08:02 <jasta> hey btw, how do i get my google account to show my e-mail address as something other than @gmail.com?
Dec 08 04:08:14 <jasta> i never check my gmail account, and now people are sending me all kinds of crud there.
Dec 08 04:08:20 <dueynz> hmmm
Dec 08 04:08:43 <jasta> poked all around and couldnt find it
Dec 08 04:08:54 <dueynz> https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?continue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&hl=en
Dec 08 04:09:19 <jasta> well i'm not creating a new account.
Dec 08 04:09:28 <dueynz> guess your out of luck :)
Dec 08 04:09:34 <jasta> that's stupid
Dec 08 04:12:34 <jasta> i guess i could set up forwarding
Dec 08 04:16:08 <jasta> maybe if i change my g-mail reply-to it will just "figure it out"
Dec 08 04:34:08 <jasta> finally listening to the dev podcast
Dec 08 05:17:22 <jasta> Luniv: *poke*, you there?
Dec 08 05:50:54 <rwhitby> jasta: I applaud your open source developer challenge pledge.
Dec 08 05:51:10 <rwhitby> (just got back and read the backlog)
Dec 08 05:51:31 <jasta> it's not unlike any other open source project i've started.
Dec 08 05:52:39 <rwhitby> jasta: nod.  I expect this prize money will close up a lot of the projects.  Good to hear that you're not in that group.
Dec 08 05:53:14 <jasta> I don't see closing the project as an advantage.  Sure, it divides the prize money, but it also multiplies the productivity and quality.
Dec 08 05:53:40 <jasta> I mean, an open project divides...
Dec 08 05:53:58 <rwhitby> jasta: and apologies for casting aspersions earlier.
Dec 08 05:54:16 <jasta> I don't think you'll find that all that many truly interesting projects will come from the freeware type philosophy.
Dec 08 05:59:40 <jasta> rwhitby: incidentally, what are you planning to work on then? :)
Dec 08 06:00:20 <rwhitby> jasta: I probably won't do anything until a handset that has the same form factor as my Treo650 and runs Android or OpenMoko is available.
Dec 08 06:00:41 <jasta> lol, you like your treo650?
Dec 08 06:01:24 <rwhitby> absolutely.  hardware keyboard is essential for reading and writing emails on the bus.  I do a good 200 emails reading and probably 20 writing each morning on the Treo.
Dec 08 06:01:44 <jasta> lots of phones have hardware keyboards that are much nicer than the treo650.
Dec 08 06:01:47 <rwhitby> (the 200 reading are mostly "hit D for delete" in various mailing lists.
Dec 08 06:02:06 <rwhitby> jasta: I haven't found one that is as easy to use in one hand.
Dec 08 06:02:34 <rwhitby> plenty of slide out two-handed ones, but that's not what I'm after.
Dec 08 06:02:37 <jasta> have you used the moto q9h or m?
Dec 08 06:02:53 <rwhitby> if either of those were open, I'd switch.
Dec 08 06:03:03 <jasta> the treo650 isn't open, is it?
Dec 08 06:03:14 <rwhitby> nope, but it's the incumbent :-)
Dec 08 06:03:14 <jasta> it runs Palm's Access platform.
Dec 08 06:03:28 <jasta> what does that matter?
Dec 08 06:03:45 <rwhitby> I've had 5 generations of Treo phones ...
Dec 08 06:04:20 <jasta> have you used all that many other devices?  like the blackjack or dash?
Dec 08 06:04:22 <rwhitby> so muscle memory is pretty strong, and will need an open source replacement so I can replicate
Dec 08 06:04:41 <rwhitby> I won't use a windows mobile device on principle.
Dec 08 06:04:55 <jasta> what principle?
Dec 08 06:05:09 <jasta> i'm having a hard time understanding your train of thought here, i admit.
Dec 08 06:05:40 <rwhitby> here's the thing - I've got a suite of palmos applications that are pretty ingrained into my daily life on the Tre650.
Dec 08 06:05:56 <rwhitby> To replace that, I need an open source phone with a one-hand-useable hardware keyboard.
Dec 08 06:06:17 <jasta> Does stubbornes count as a principle, then?
Dec 08 06:06:28 <jasta> I suppose it could.
Dec 08 06:06:32 <rwhitby> oh yes, stubborness is very much in play here.
Dec 08 06:07:12 <rwhitby> note that this for me personally - I don't try and tell anyone else this is best for them or argue about their choice of phone :-)
Dec 08 06:07:13 <jasta> So you're opposed to Windows Mobile because you're stubborn?
Dec 08 06:07:29 <rwhitby> no, cause it can't run my existing apps.
Dec 08 06:07:35 <rwhitby> it's all about the apps, not the OS.
Dec 08 06:07:59 <jasta> Have you checked that equivalent functionality is not available?
Dec 08 06:08:15 <rwhitby> the phone should change to suit me, not the other way around.
Dec 08 06:08:43 <jasta> rwhitby: Except that phones are all culturally new, and so that sentiment works against the very notion of having a cell phone.
Dec 08 06:08:50 <jasta> Right?
Dec 08 06:10:47 <rwhitby> Not sure what you mean there.  Phones are so new that I've already changed to suit the phone I've got, so not wanting to change again is stubborness?  You betcha :-)
Dec 08 06:11:14 <jasta> Yeah, that is what I meant precisely.  Your Treo line of phones did not change to suit you, you definitely changed for them.
Dec 08 06:11:26 <rwhitby> absolutely, no doubt about that.
Dec 08 06:11:35 * rwhitby goes back to some hardware hacking: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/FSG3-Hacking/IMGP6151
Dec 08 06:11:39 <jasta> So an unwillingness to do so again only assures that you will be left behind by innovation.
Dec 08 06:12:10 <rwhitby> no, just waiting for the innovation wave built on open source, so I can tweak it when i need to.
Dec 08 06:12:39 <jasta> But as one man, how will you be able to drive that innovation to create the platform that you want?
Dec 08 06:12:40 <rwhitby> (and yes, some of the palmos apps I run have my source code tweaks in them)
Dec 08 06:13:01 <jasta> Open source means that you could tweak it, not that you will have sufficient resources to do so to match your expectation.
Dec 08 06:13:32 <rwhitby> That is true.  But one can dream to have such spare time.
Dec 08 06:13:41 <jasta> I'd say that one should not, actually.
Dec 08 06:14:12 <rwhitby> I guess it all depends on what gives you satisfaction.
Dec 08 06:15:14 <jasta> Of course.  Some people like wasting time :)
Dec 08 06:16:51 <jasta> well anyway, i look forward to your Android powered Treo emulator some day.  I hope that it suits you :)
Dec 08 06:21:10 <rwhitby> a Garnet VM (Treo emulator) just came our recently for the Nokia N800/N810 range of internet tablets, so it won't be hard to do on a linux based open source phone.
Dec 08 06:21:18 <rwhitby> s/our/out/
Dec 08 07:18:33 <jasta> man, it is really hard to think about how your app should behave knowing it can be killed at any time
Dec 08 07:19:11 <jerkface03> no it isn't
Dec 08 07:20:00 <jasta> i meant only if you are a mere mortal, of course i did not mean you.
Dec 08 07:20:17 <jasta> also, it is a lot easier to deal with the concept when you don't actually write android code.
Dec 08 11:33:20 <ersi> http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1033.html Haha :)
Dec 08 14:01:20 <yango> hi, I created public final class MyView extends View { public MyView(Context context) { super(context); } protected void onDraw(Canvas canvas) { /* my draw code*/} } and it works if I set it directly with setContentView(new MyView(context)); But it doesn't work when I try to use it in XML, how do I enable that view to be usable in XML?
Dec 08 14:03:15 <yango> The error I get is: Binary XML file line #7: Error inflating class MyView where line 7 in the XML is <MyView
Dec 08 14:03:49 <yango> the manifest!
Dec 08 15:06:16 <straz> hi Yango: I had some inflation errors myself. Turns out there were capitalization problems. Check whether you are using MyView or myView in the class name, the file.java filename, and all references in your xml and java code.
Dec 08 15:17:17 <haavi> am I the only who still can't search the docs in Firefox?
Dec 08 15:17:30 <haavi>  Firebug finds an error on line 203 in search.js saying "GSearch is not defined"
Dec 08 19:42:38 <jasta> man there is a lot of idling in here :)
Dec 08 19:49:10 <Dralspire> lmoa who is idling? :P
Dec 08 21:45:18 <happycrappy> hi all
Dec 08 22:00:13 <Dralspire> hi hi
Dec 09 01:30:20 <Yeggstry> hi there
Dec 09 01:30:25 <Dralspire> hi hi
Dec 09 01:30:44 <Yeggstry> I hope I'm in the right place, this is for Google Android right?
Dec 09 01:30:51 <Dralspire> yes :-)
Dec 09 01:30:55 <Yeggstry> cool :)
Dec 09 01:31:45 <Yeggstry> I have a couple of questions with regards to it, although its probably more of an OpenGL ES question as well
Dec 09 01:32:50 <Yeggstry> 1. Has anyone else had the problem of loading an image as a texture and it coming out blue on the screen?
Dec 09 01:33:29 <Yeggstry> 2. Has anyone tried to load more than one texture for use on the screen, and if so how did you manage to do it using glGenTextures? I seem to get the same texture in both instances :/
Dec 09 01:46:22 <Yeggstry> btw who's morrildl?
Dec 09 01:46:40 <duey> googler
Dec 09 01:46:47 <Yeggstry> ah cool :)
Dec 09 02:33:02 <Yeggstry> well, I've managed to resolve the issue with my blue images :)
Dec 09 02:41:14 <Dralspire> nice one
Dec 09 02:43:49 <Yeggstry> evidently the image I was loading wasn't in the right rgba format
Dec 09 02:43:59 <Yeggstry> so I had to shift it a bit
Dec 09 02:56:56 <Yeggstry> :D
Dec 09 02:56:58 <Yeggstry> got it
Dec 09 02:59:44 <Yeggstry> only thing is that it takes AGES to load images off the net
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