**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 09 02:59:56 2007 Dec 09 05:32:55 things are quiet here... Dec 09 05:33:41 Virtual machine.... maaaan !! I don't know... is it a good idea.. i Dec 09 05:34:00 i've had enough trouble with J2ME Dec 09 05:36:55 your j2me troubles aren't from a vm Dec 09 05:51:29 jerkface03: hi sorry i didn't see your message... well your are right Dec 09 05:51:47 its more of the sandbox model that gives me the trouble Dec 09 06:54:02 Anyone knows how android implements gui functions ? using someting like directfb? Dec 09 09:23:19 hmm, what the hell. Dec 09 10:04:27 how quiet here! Dec 09 10:29:00 I get unparsed aapt errors when trying my HelloAndroid program on Eclipse on Ubuntu linux. Is it possible that those mysterious errors come because I have JRE 6 instead of JRE 5 installed? Dec 09 11:15:01 hmm Dec 09 11:38:09 hello haavi. Dec 09 11:38:17 hey jasta Dec 09 11:41:57 morning Dec 09 11:42:15 jasta: in your rss reader did you notice how it's possible to drag the WebView in post_view off the screen? Dec 09 11:42:24 if you drag it to the left Dec 09 11:42:29 hey Yeggstry Dec 09 11:42:38 top of the morning to ya! Dec 09 11:42:42 :) Dec 09 11:42:45 and to you too Dec 09 11:42:46 haavi: yes, i have ;) Dec 09 11:42:54 weird bug huh? Dec 09 11:43:04 is it when you have a WebView in a ScrollView? Dec 09 11:43:09 kind of, there are two scrollers at work, and it is possible to move them both separately. Dec 09 11:43:16 this "bug" will be fixed by google, though, not me. Dec 09 11:43:25 ok, good :) Dec 09 11:44:42 that's the only bug I found ;P Dec 09 11:45:04 that and that it wasn't possible to load the technology feed on digg.com Dec 09 11:45:33 got a SAX something exception Dec 09 11:45:44 yeah, that was actually reported by a user on the google groups. i investigated, and found that it is the result of the User-Agent ("Java0"). Dec 09 11:45:54 how are you guys parsing the xml? I listened to the android podcast and there was mention of a fast parser we could use Dec 09 11:45:56 Any string beginning with the word Java is rejected as a valid User-Agent by digg and a few other sites. Dec 09 11:46:12 aha Dec 09 11:46:27 yeah and you can't change the user-agent it seems because it's not implemented yet Dec 09 11:46:27 And my parser is terribly stupid and doesn't fail gracefully when such errors occur :) Dec 09 11:46:56 Well, you can actually. If you simply switch to using HttpClient(), the User-Agent becomes some other Apache-specific string and then the requests work. Dec 09 11:47:56 hmm, I remember trying this but the method that does it wasn't implemented yet :/ Dec 09 11:48:09 No, I did it successfully in my tests. Dec 09 11:48:23 I just didn't commit that code because, I mean, is anyone really using the RSS reader? :) Dec 09 11:48:27 Like, to read RSS? :) Dec 09 11:48:45 I'd rather just wait to change the User-Agent in the URL connection manager. Dec 09 11:50:21 alright :) Dec 09 11:51:09 I was trying to set it with setRequestProperty Dec 09 11:51:21 in uhm Dec 09 11:51:28 HttpURLConnection Dec 09 11:51:30 i think i'm going to replace my crummy RSS parser with informa or rome as Luniv has done. Dec 09 11:51:39 haavi: No, it's HttpClient(). It's an Apache project. Dec 09 11:52:01 yeah org.apache.commons.httpclient.util.HttpURLConnection Dec 09 11:52:21 ahh, well, you don't need to mess with that class to expose the necessary functionality. Dec 09 11:52:30 it says setRequestProperty isn't implemented yet there Dec 09 11:52:45 ok, I didn't know that :) Dec 09 11:52:57 just read the examples on the httpclient page :) Dec 09 11:53:19 ok, I will Dec 09 11:53:29 did you notice my reader now supports icons? Dec 09 11:53:40 although, the support is miserable. i'm working on improving it quite a bit as we speak :) Dec 09 11:53:41 yeah I saw that Dec 09 11:53:47 really nice Dec 09 11:54:17 i contributed the initial stuff though because it does serve as a decent example on how to use media content uris. Dec 09 11:54:27 I like how the item count changes to a spinner when you refresh the feed Dec 09 11:54:39 yeah, my gf came up with that idea. Dec 09 11:54:53 ok =) Dec 09 11:54:54 although, i wish the progress bar graphics were a bit nicer :) Dec 09 11:55:04 i mean, they're fine, but...they could be better. Dec 09 11:55:15 code one in openGL then :P Dec 09 11:55:19 they're alright, sure beats Swing's JProgressBar Dec 09 11:55:59 also, next up i need to implement a downloadmanager of sorts to make "refresh all" play nicely with the limited network connectivity. Dec 09 11:56:36 i had a thought to do something like iterate through each feed one at a time, permitting each 5 seconds to respond before it moves on to the next in another thread. Dec 09 11:56:42 or something like that. Dec 09 11:56:56 so slow/dead feeds won't hold up the whole process, but that they won't all go at once. Dec 09 11:57:06 the background service will probably re-use this same code, too. Dec 09 11:57:34 a couple of people offered to help out implementing things like user preferences and stuff. that would be great, actually. Dec 09 11:57:48 hows that service coming along? Dec 09 11:58:28 well, i've decided i'd just make it a little less obvious to the user what the service is doing. i'll make it fire off a general "i'm refreshing" intent, followed by "i'm done refreshing". rather than specific feedback on which channels it's processing. Dec 09 11:58:48 i think this will work best anyway. Dec 09 11:59:23 sounds good to me Dec 09 11:59:30 i'm a bit disappointed though, it feels kind of like giving up on what i really wanted to do :) Dec 09 11:59:48 couldn't you also put a spinner in the title row for that? Dec 09 11:59:55 when all the feeds are refreshing I mean Dec 09 11:59:59 sadly, the only component i'm actually proud of is the PostListRow view :) Dec 09 12:00:10 haavi: yeah, and that's hwo i'd do it. Dec 09 12:00:17 brb, restroom Dec 09 12:00:19 cool Dec 09 12:01:06 has anyone tried to get text shown in openGL ES? Dec 09 12:03:53 back, sorry Dec 09 12:04:14 haven't seen any projects using openGL actually Dec 09 12:04:23 except from those in the APIDemos Dec 09 12:04:44 I'm working on a simple image carousel at the moment Dec 09 12:05:44 haavi: http://www.zatelnet.com/gphone/main.php -- you seen this yet? Dec 09 12:05:53 i thought about taking his code and manipulating it to support SSH :) Dec 09 12:07:48 just toss in Jsch or something. Dec 09 12:08:50 hee, that's cool Dec 09 12:09:05 first I thought someone had ported Norton Commander :) Dec 09 12:09:19 from DOS Dec 09 12:09:24 i use zatelnet ssh on my current phone, but it's non-free so i had to crack it :) Dec 09 12:10:10 i thought it might be fine to just directly undermine his IP and make his zaTelnet SSH client for Android :) Dec 09 12:13:24 err, not fine, i meant fun :) Dec 09 12:13:29 it is 4am where i'm at :( Dec 09 12:14:24 anyway, i gotta be careful not to burn out all my ambition hehe. i've got a bit more work left on the RSS reader before I can move on. Dec 09 12:15:44 did you manage do import that project to Eclipse? Dec 09 12:15:48 I can't seem to do it :( Dec 09 12:15:56 no, but the code all seems to be there Dec 09 12:16:03 ok Dec 09 12:16:30 you should focus on the rss reader I think, it's looking really nice imo Dec 09 12:21:16 agreed :) Dec 09 12:22:47 it'll be nice to actually round it out with user preferences and all that jazz too. Dec 09 12:23:12 i want to add OPML support and also a built-in feed finding/searching thing. Dec 09 12:23:32 so you can just search for slashdot or wired news or whatever. a lot less lame than knowing and typing a feed url. Dec 09 12:23:52 searching with Google's own API for finding feeds? Dec 09 12:24:15 well maybe, i don't know yet :) Dec 09 12:24:33 ok Dec 09 12:25:31 dunno if that's even possible btw Dec 09 12:26:10 i've used this reader on my phone before that seemed to have some deeply searchable database of rss feeds. i would like to investigate how it did that and tap into that database. Dec 09 12:27:09 http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxfeeds/documentation/reference.html#findFeeds Dec 09 12:27:20 that works really nice for finding new feeds I think Dec 09 12:27:29 but it's JS so that might be a problem Dec 09 12:27:56 well, there are much more things ahead of that feature so we'll get to it later :) Dec 09 12:28:44 yea :] Dec 09 12:28:58 It's dinner time! Dec 09 12:29:17 i'm starting to notice that there are more Android community sites that have sprung up than actual Android source projects. Dec 09 12:29:21 That's kind of frustrating :) Dec 09 12:29:51 bah, people wanting in on the hype, that's all Dec 09 12:36:19 btw, i really hope someone ports snes9x :) Dec 09 12:43:06 eww, on that note, i'm outta here Dec 09 14:18:42 hi Dec 09 14:18:59 hi Dec 09 14:52:33 has anyone been playing with loading an image into android? Dec 09 15:22:04 it's easy using the ImageView widget Dec 09 15:23:14 anyone poked around inside android.drm.mobile1 yet? Dec 09 15:23:50 I'm loading 3 images for use in OpenGL, however its taking AGES :/ Dec 09 15:23:59 should we worry about that DRM crap on Android too Dec 09 15:24:20 ok :( Dec 09 15:24:38 sorry I don't know anything about OpenGL programming Dec 09 15:24:48 its ok, I don't know much either :) Dec 09 15:24:58 only started playing with it in the last 2 weeks Dec 09 15:25:27 ok Dec 09 15:26:18 I decompiled DrmRightsManager.class in android.drm.mobile1 and seems like Google's gonna implement this OMA DRM crap Dec 09 15:26:29 does anyone know anything about that? Dec 09 15:31:30 huhmm, maybe this is just for ringtones Dec 09 20:34:11 hi guys Dec 09 20:47:51 lo Dec 09 20:51:11 Hi Yeggstry :-) Dec 09 22:21:08 hi Dec 10 02:31:22 hi guys Dec 10 02:33:30 Anyone can help me about send data via udp protocol to server? I haven't any exception or error, but I can't see any data on server or Wireshark network analyser. Dec 10 02:47:57 i don't know about the normal udp api, but nio udp has not been implemented in the SDK Dec 10 02:52:11 jerkface03, what's nio udp? I can see on android reference DatagramPacket and DatagramSocket... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:57 2007